[00:00:14] <Duxa>	is XAMPP the best thing to run Mediawiki on?
[00:01:46] <Simetrical>	werdna, what's private if that option is checked?
[00:02:53] <werdna>	everything except that on the actual "Filter list"
[00:02:55] <werdna>	page
[00:02:57] <OverlordQ>	Simetrical: you can't view the rule
[00:03:43] <Simetrical>	I distinctly remember writing several scathing condemnations of the idea of hiding filters as anti-wiki and worthless security by obscurity.
[00:03:51] <Simetrical>	Hmm.  Don't really have time to pursue this.
[00:03:54] <Simetrical>	Hopefully enwiki won't use that.
[00:04:29] <OverlordQ>	too late :)
[00:05:34] <shafu>	How can a rename a page name?
[00:05:40] <Simetrical>	!move | shafu 
[00:05:40] --mwbot--	shafu: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[00:05:43] <Simetrical>	Er
[00:05:45] <Simetrical>	!rename
[00:05:45] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "rename". You might try: !deleteuser !extranamespace !renameuser 
[00:06:04] <Simetrical>	shafu, use the "move" tab at the top of the page.
[00:06:04] <Splarka>	[move] tab ^_^
[00:06:08] <werdna>	Simetrical: I expect Erik is making those objections for you.
[00:06:17] <Splarka>	hmm, where are the Special:Code color classes defined...
[00:06:33] <Splarka>	ahh /w/extensions/CodeReview/codereview.css
[00:07:24] <Simetrical>	werdna, excellent.
[00:07:37] <Simetrical>	Glad someone important has kept the correct attitude.
[00:07:42] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48551 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.parser.php: Some fixes for r48545
[00:08:00] <Simetrical>	Now if only we could publicize oversight logs.
[00:08:10] <Simetrical>	Hmm, maybe I'll suggest that to Erik, that's a good idea.
[00:08:28] <shafu>	Simetrical: thx..thats what i wanted
[00:12:01] <werdna>	ugh, this short-circuiting is evil and hard to debug
[00:12:22] <Simetrical>	Change it back to C++?  :)
[00:12:40] <Simetrical>	What were the worst-case estimates you set for how slow it would be, and how badly has enwiki broken them so far?  ;)
[00:13:22] <werdna>	sigh :P
[00:14:09] <CIA-60>	03simetrical * r48552 10/trunk/extensions/ExtensionDistributor/ExtensionDistributor.i18n.php: (log message trimmed)
[00:14:09] <CIA-60>	Rename "Current version" to "Development version"
[00:14:09] <CIA-60>	This makes it sound less attractive to random people who really don't
[00:14:09] <CIA-60>	want the unstable nightlies; see the thread on wikitech-l where someone
[00:14:09] <CIA-60>	complained about Cite not working because he assumed he wanted "Latest
[00:14:12] <CIA-60>	version".
[00:14:14] <CIA-60>	I can't figure out how to change the default options -- could we have
[00:14:52] <ipatrol1>	Is there a mediawiki sysop here?
[00:15:06] <Simetrical>	ipatrol1, several.
[00:15:08] <werdna>	plenty.
[00:15:19] <Simetrical>	Multiple bureaucrats talking right now.
[00:16:10] <ipatrol1>	Ok, the trilas of tha abuse filter are running well on enwiki, could an admin change the status on the extension's page from "experemental" to "beta"?
[00:18:13] <werdna>	heh, I'm the one running them
[00:18:16] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48553 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.parser.php: Fix another annoying bug
[00:18:31] <Simetrical>	Technically it's an alpha.
[00:18:32] <werdna>	I think "just survoiving' is a better description than "well"
[00:18:35] <Simetrical>	Just check Special:Version.  :)
[00:18:49] <Simetrical>	We don't do betas, only alphas, RCs, and releases . . .
[00:18:57] <ipatrol1>	I think it's been tested enough to christen "beta"
[00:19:07] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48554 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 4 dirs): a few bug fixes
[00:19:07] <ipatrol1>	the extension template?
[00:19:08] <Simetrical>	The term isn't really meaningful.
[00:19:09] <werdna>	I don't, and I'm the developer :P
[00:19:16] <werdna>	anyway, it doesn't matter.
[00:19:18] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48555 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/skins/mvpcf/style.css: style update
[00:19:19] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48556 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): add support for value attributes in select lists
[00:19:24] <werdna>	no small cildren will die if we call it experimental rather than beta
[00:19:29] <Simetrical>	I mean, you could be like Google and call everything beta if you liked, or like most software companies and call your betas releases.
[00:19:39] <Simetrical>	It doesn't really make a difference.
[00:20:47] <werdna>	hmm
[00:21:01] <werdna>	how should I test these parser changes without putting them onto the live site
[00:21:09] <Simetrical>	test.wikipedia.org?
[00:21:11] <werdna>	I'd rather not block EVERYTHING IN LIVING SIGHT
[00:21:24] <Simetrical>	Isn't that what your "OMG 5%" thing is for?
[00:21:32] <werdna>	hmm, I guess I'll do that and try to trigger some test.wikipedia things.
[00:21:48] <werdna>	The "OMG 5%" thing has been pared down a bit
[00:22:09] <werdna>	!log Updating AbuseFilter on test to r48553
[00:22:09] --mwbot--	Wrong channel!
[00:22:12] <werdna>	bah
[00:22:15] <Simetrical>	Haha.
[00:22:16] <Simetrical>	Nice response.
[00:22:26] *Splarka 	snerks
[00:22:38] <Simetrical>	Except when someone wants to give someone else info on logging in MediaWiki.
[00:22:52] <Splarka>	!logging
[00:22:52] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "logging".
[00:22:56] <Splarka>	except nobody does
[00:23:02] <werdna>	weird
[00:23:08] <werdna>	whole bunch of AbuseFilter files were updated
[00:23:11] <werdna>	annoying
[00:23:39] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48557 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: oops remove debugging output
[00:25:04] <chuck>	werdna: what do you mean that AbuseFilter is barely surviving on enwiki? are there performance problems or something?
[00:26:00] <werdna>	yeah
[00:26:29] <Simetrical>	Hundreds of ms per page save, I think was mentioned?
[00:26:36] <Simetrical>	Why do these bloody users save so many pages
[00:26:36] <Simetrical>	?
[00:27:18] <MrZ-man>	a few large pages timed out when trying to save earlier
[00:29:01] <Splarka>	ahh, that's why I couldn't save 250k on test the other day, but could on en.wp
[00:29:12] <Splarka>	and I said so in -tech and nobody cared to investigate as usual ^_^
[00:29:24] <Splarka>	what is the point of having a test if all the broken reports are ignored, heh
[00:29:37] <Splarka>	Cassandra complex
[00:31:45] <Simetrical>	Oh, that's true, you did say that.
[00:31:56] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48558 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: ensure time after date or sortable table doesn't work
[00:37:36] <mvatki>	does anyone have experience with Extension:Farmer?
[00:47:34] *MZMcBride 	kicks CIA-60.
[00:47:36] *MZMcBride 	kicks CIA-60
[00:47:36] <CIA-60>	ow
[00:47:48] *MZMcBride 	eats CIA-60 
[00:47:48] *CIA-60 	tastes crunchy
[00:47:52] <MZMcBride>	Hmm.
[00:48:01] <chuck>	what's the name of that convenience fuction for sourcing a db file?
[00:50:21] <werdna>	dbsource
[00:50:35] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48559 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/ (3 files): revisions now also supported everywhere
[00:55:34] <chuck>	werdna: thanks, one more question, is there a variable I can use to add SQL that will remove a table if it exists?
[00:56:00] <chuck>	due to a stupid mysql bug, i have a ton of `imagetags tables on the farm instead of the desired imagetags name, so i want to get rid of the extra ones
[00:57:11] <werdna>	drop table if exists?
[00:58:09] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48560 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.php: Add credit for Victor
[00:58:57] <chuck>	but what's the variable called for update.php?
[00:59:38] <kim__>	hmm, wasn't there a maintenance script for creating a user account?
[00:59:43] *kim__ 	tries to recall
[01:00:59] <chuck>	kim__: createAndPromote.php, but that promotes to sysop
[01:01:16] <chuck>	it would be really easy to modify it though
[01:01:20] <kim__>	that's perfect
[01:01:22] <chuck>	just remove like 4 lines
[01:01:38] <kim__>	does it also promote to bureaucrat?
[01:01:55] <chuck>	the --bureaucrat flag will do just that
[01:02:13] <kim__>	:-)
[01:03:01] <kim__>	it's one of those niggling things that has been niggling me since I first wrote this installer ^^;;
[01:07:10] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48561 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: can't use user pref format with sortable table
[01:09:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AbuseFilter log shows the contents of deleted pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18043 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (wikiwodup)
[01:09:50] <kim__>	yay, works :-)
[01:09:52] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48562 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/mediawiki_installer.py: changed account creation to use createAndPromote.php
[01:10:00] <kim__>	thanks chuck!
[01:10:10] <chuck>	you're welcome! :P
[01:14:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) euprop=ns embedded in euprop=title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18044 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (jidanni)
[01:41:49] *Splarka 	tries out his silly scapmap
[01:43:54] <Splarka>	anyone wanna try? heh-> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki?limit=358&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fphase3 javascript:void(importScript('User:Splarka/scapmap.js'));
[01:44:11] <Splarka>	(only works on current view, so can't include all the /extensions/ on WMF in one go, just a test)
[01:48:29] <MZMcBride>	Splarka: Doesn't seem to do anything...
[01:50:42] <OverlordQ>	MZMcBride: click the overview tab that shows up
[01:51:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) exportnowrap=true causes internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17673  (10jidanni)
[01:51:33] <MZMcBride>	Ahhh.
[01:52:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) exportnowrap=true causes internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17673  (10jidanni)
[01:54:49] *Splarka 	was thinking of the old windows 'defrag' utility
[02:03:45] <MZMcBride>	It's nice.
[02:04:55] <Splarka>	now someone load all 48k revisions and take a screenshot
[02:06:14] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48563 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.class.php AbuseFilterVariableHolder.php): Load link vars from DB on edit. Includes some tracking of context, so it knows whether to check the DB or the parser.
[02:10:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) euprop=ns embedded in euprop=title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18044  (10jidanni)
[02:22:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update request for mg.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17698  trivial->normal; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:41:05] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48564 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add basic filter profiling to AbuseFilter -- display on the edit filter page the average time taken to run the filter. Currently sampling at 1/50
[02:50:02] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/test/a/a6/Last5000.gif  heh
[02:55:34] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48565 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Tweaked level selector and removed duplication
[03:06:47] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48566 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): use form's attributes if it has any
[03:07:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Superimpose another image as click destination - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8657  (10rene.kijewski)
[03:10:38] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48567 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilterVariableHolder.php: Backcompat for stored data
[03:21:39] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48568 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ReviewedPages_body.php: 
[03:21:39] <CIA-60>	* Add redirect filter
[03:21:39] <CIA-60>	* Force page index
[03:33:13] <werdna>	http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/percent_of_student_virgins_per.php
[03:51:29] <Splarka>	werdna: http://sandcat.nl/~hugo/fun/20050427-unix.jpg
[04:00:07] <d3rwin>	is *all* page text in "text.old_text"  ?
[04:01:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search within linked files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18045 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (ryan.andrew.hendrickson)
[05:06:53] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48569 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.class.php AbuseFilter.i18n.php): Document rmspecials, rmwhitespace, ip_in_range
[05:12:08] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48570 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.class.php AbuseFilter.i18n.php): Document contains, ternery operator and conditionals
[05:29:42] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48571 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: use the "more entropy" option for the GUID's uniqid
[05:51:27] *Splarka 	attempts to tempt werd into attempting to write a Special:Code feature for roadmapping an overview view of the review status of revisions within a certain set of settable paths (like say an array of comma separated paths) and certain range of revisions (like say "47457 - trunk") and graphically displaying them
[05:52:59] <werdna>	not today
[05:53:57] <Splarka>	or a simple API route to acquiring the data, or to put it on the toolserver... heh
[06:15:02] <Nikerabbit>	hi Splarka 
[06:15:21] <Splarka>	rar
[06:17:31] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48572 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt: Parser tests for date autoformatting
[06:18:53] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48573 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.class.php: Fix bug in testing interface introduced by rsomething
[06:30:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install PdfHandler extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11215  (10thomasV1)
[06:40:25] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Main%20Page&exportnowrap Is this supposed to happen?
[06:40:50] <Prodego>	Emufarmers: of course! fatal errors are completely normal!
[06:40:53] <Prodego>	:)
[06:40:57] <Emufarmers>	:)
[06:41:12] <Emufarmers>	I just wasn't sure whether I was accessing it incorrectly!
[06:41:22] <Emufarmers>	Although even then, a backtrace still probably isn't a good sign
[06:41:45] <Prodego>	even if you do mess up accessing it, it shoudn't give a fatal error
[06:41:52] <Prodego>	sadly I can't fix things
[06:41:59] <Prodego>	that is AaronSchulz's job
[06:42:01] <Emufarmers>	You're just here to make sarcastic comments
[06:42:04] <Prodego>	yep
[06:42:08] <Nikerabbit>	wtf is he doing in r48566
[06:42:19] <Prodego>	Nikerabbit: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Main%20Page&exportnowrap
[06:42:42] <Nikerabbit>	Prodego: talk to roan, I'm not api thing
[06:42:59] <Prodego>	I think it is actually in accessing it
[06:43:15] <Prodego>	I don't even know who roan is
[06:43:25] *Splarka 	eyes Prodego
[06:43:31] <Splarka>	you edging in on my territory
[06:43:33] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka will help you
[06:43:37] <Emufarmers>	Yeah, I was just thinking
[06:43:45] <Emufarmers>	Splarka gets to fix things AND make sarcastic comments
[06:43:45] <Splarka>	MY job to make sarcastic comments
[06:43:51] <Prodego>	Splarka: yea, I know, you are usually the one who makes sarcastic comments
[06:44:04] <Prodego>	so http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Main%20Page&exportnowrap
[06:44:11] <Prodego>	I don't even know what that is supposed to do
[06:44:26] <Splarka>	"Dr Zoidberg, my lead pipe hurts" "that's normal"
[06:44:28] <Prodego>	but it shouldn't be failing that way
[06:45:11] <Prodego>	so Splarka. THEN WHO WAS <s>PHONE</s>ROAN
[06:45:34] <Splarka>	roan is the dutch dude who took over the api after yurik got distracted by IRL things
[06:45:36] <Emufarmers>	eh develops AIP and doesnt afraid of anything
[06:45:38] <Splarka>	and invented API write
[06:46:02] <Prodego>	I love Air Independent Propulsion, and the API is cool too
[06:46:12] <Prodego>	Splarka: I take it he isn't even in here
[06:46:19] <Splarka>	he is sometimes, but not atm
[06:46:27] <Prodego>	what nick?
[06:46:30] <Splarka>	roankattouw
[06:46:41] <Splarka>	add to your notify, and stalk him like many of us do
[06:46:53] <Prodego>	last seen 11 hours ago
[06:46:53] <Splarka>	to which he just says "file a bug" most of the time
[06:46:54] <Prodego>	mm
[06:47:04] <Prodego>	ok, so I don't actually know what the bug is
[06:47:06] <Prodego>	but you two
[06:47:12] <Splarka>	hey, when in roan
[06:47:17] <Prodego>	can go ahead and file that
[06:47:28] <Splarka>	didn't someone file that already?
[06:47:42] <Splarka>	<wikibugs> (mod) exportnowrap=true causes internal error - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17673 (jidanni)
[06:47:43] <Prodego>	I've been playing with abuse filter all day
[06:48:01] <Splarka>	okay, so known roan bug
[06:48:09] <Splarka>	there, fixed
[06:48:10] <Prodego>	and resolved fixed to boot
[06:48:14] <Emufarmers>	D:
[06:48:21] *Nikerabbit 	stares at Splarka
[06:48:21] <Emufarmers>	Just hours ahead of me!
[06:48:37] <Prodego>	of course it isn't
[06:48:54] <Emufarmers>	It's fixed: Wikimedia just doesn't run the latest version
[06:48:56] <Splarka>	it is the fault of future revisions
[06:49:10] <Splarka>	well, it is broke after the fix too
[06:49:15] <Emufarmers>	oh
[06:49:16] <Splarka>	so roan has to go back and unfix it and fix it and fix it
[06:49:31] <Emufarmers>	Anyway, what I was originally looking for was an API parameter that would dump the source text of an article
[06:49:39] <Splarka>	easy
[06:49:52] <Prodego>	Emufarmers: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Main%20Page&exportnowrap=true&export=true
[06:50:06] <Prodego>	that is not in answer to your question
[06:50:09] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&titles=Foobar
[06:50:18] <Prodego>	that is^
[06:50:20] <Splarka>	prop=revisions&rvprop=content
[06:50:26] <Splarka>	you might want more rvprop tho, see the doc
[06:51:14] <Splarka>	you can dump multiple articles at a time... &titles=Foo|Bar, you can dump more than just the top revision ... &rvlimit=whatever, and so forth
[06:53:46] *Splarka 	stares back at Nikerabbit
[06:55:00] *Nikerabbit 	doesn't stop staring back
[06:56:33] *Emufarmers 	turns on the porn music
[06:56:43] <CIA-60>	03werdna * r48574 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewList.php: Fix abuse filter sorting by hitcount
[06:58:49] <Splarka>	heh
[06:59:06] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: lemme know when you're Finnish-ed
[06:59:10] <Splarka>	(that's a joke)
[06:59:32] *Splarka 	lets Prodego have the sarcastic comments job for now, will stick with puns
[06:59:44] <Prodego>	Splarka: yea, you are no good anyway
[06:59:47] <Prodego>	:P
[06:59:54] <Prodego>	was that sarcastic enough?
[07:00:03] <Prodego>	it was more insulting than sarcastic
[07:00:05] <Splarka>	punishing me?
[07:00:20] <Emufarmers>	it burns
[07:00:47] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: nevarh
[07:00:51] <Splarka>	I heard all the money was in ostrich farming now
[07:01:22] <Splarka>	or cloned Moa
[07:01:22] <Emufarmers>	You're the second person to say that to me today :v
[07:16:15] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48575 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReview.i18n.php: Follow up r48538: Add a description message for the new user right
[07:52:01] <Kartagis>	hello
[07:52:45] <Kartagis>	how do I add myself to bureaucrat group?
[07:56:18] <Marybelle>	Special:UserRights
[07:56:33] <Splarka>	wat
[07:56:35] <Emufarmers>	Marybelle: if you're not a bureaucrat, that's not going to work :)
[07:56:37] <Splarka>	catch-22 there
[07:56:49] <Marybelle>	Sup dawg...
[07:57:00] <Emufarmers>	Kartagis: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#Initial_user_was_not_created_by_installer
[07:57:05] <Marybelle>	He asked how to do it.
[07:57:36] <Marybelle>	He didn't ask for a necessarily working method.
[07:57:38] <talkout>	Kartagis: use Special:UserRights page
[07:57:45] <Emufarmers>	:|
[07:58:34] <Splarka>	!rightssql
[07:58:34] --mwbot--	INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user, ug_group) VALUES ('1', 'bureaucrat');  Where '1' is your user ID, and 'bureaucrat' is the right you wish to apply.
[07:58:59] <talkout>	Kartagis: but you should be in a group already having permission to do so
[07:59:20] <p858snake>	isn't there a mantaince script to do it as well for those that don't want to play with sql directly
[07:59:28] <OverlordQ>	createAndPromote
[08:00:15] <Kartagis>	talkout, I am. thanks for pointing the page out
[08:03:07] <Emufarmers>	:\
[08:03:29] *Marybelle 	glares.
[08:04:18] <Kartagis>	hmm, it seems bureaucrats can't delete pages, only sysops can
[08:04:34] <Marybelle>	Right.
[08:04:58] <Kartagis>	thanks again
[08:04:58] <Kartagis>	bye
[08:06:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable text layer extraction from djvu on Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18046 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (thomasV1)
[08:40:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH: Special:Export: prevent option selector flying back to top of list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18031   +need-review +patch (10roan.kattouw)
[08:49:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update request for mg.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17698  (10alno)
[09:05:37] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) euprop=ns embedded in euprop=title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18044  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:10:25] *Splarka 	sets the roan trap
[09:32:37] <nicolas_>	hello, excuse me to disturb you, i just wanted to know where i can test the wysiwyg editor of mediawiki?
[09:37:44] <davidt>	nicolas_: You can on Wikia.
[09:37:56] <nicolas_>	ok thank you
[09:39:11] <henna>	(maa/win 5
[09:39:14] <henna>	syr
[09:40:26] <nicolas_>	i m maybe not good, but i don't find the wysiwyg editor in wikia?
[10:09:43] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48576 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Added '$wgAvailableRights[] = 'movestable';'
[10:19:02] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10alno)
[10:19:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) File moving error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18033  (10alno)
[10:24:56] <fizz->	hey all
[10:25:04] <fizz->	anybody has experience with using wikipedia dumps?
[10:25:16] <fizz->	for taxonomy usage?
[10:27:09] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  +comment (10thomasV1)
[10:33:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export all pages from a custom namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17886  (10davidt)
[10:56:31] <davidt>	fizz-: hey
[10:56:53] <fizz->	haha hey
[10:56:54] <fizz->	waddup mf
[10:57:13] <davidt>	fizz-: haha
[10:57:19] <davidt>	fizz-: wazup?
[10:57:54] <fizz->	sweeet, you?
[10:58:20] <davidt>	fizz-: OK, I guess.
[10:58:44] <davidt>	fizz-: What do you need a wikipedia dump for?
[10:59:14] <fizz->	taxonomy, finding relations between terms
[10:59:40] <davidt>	fizz-: We used Wikipedia to build our tag hierarchy.
[10:59:48] <davidt>	fizz-: So it might be close to what you're trying to do.
[11:00:10] <fizz->	yeah, it might. have you downloaded it all?
[11:00:30] <fizz->	I don't really need articles contents, just articles names, articles relations to categories and categories relations
[11:00:37] <fizz->	so I found categories information and links
[11:00:42] <davidt>	fizz-: We used only the category relations.
[11:00:45] <fizz->	but couldn't find articles association with categories
[11:00:54] <fizz->	without articles relations to categories?
[11:00:59] <davidt>	fizz-: yeah
[11:01:05] <fizz->	how would you know britney spears is a pop musician?
[11:01:08] <davidt>	fizz-: EricB did it, not sure if he used the dump or just crawled it. I could check if you want.
[11:02:16] <fizz->	would be great if you can check it
[11:02:28] <fizz->	would also be great if you add me to the beer mailing list mf
[11:04:07] <davidt>	fizz-: Give me your private email
[11:06:44] <davidt>	fizz-: Cool, will do.
[11:07:00] <fizz->	davidt: thanks :)
[11:07:56] <davidt>	fizz-: IRC - The Twitter of the '90s :P
[11:09:17] <fizz->	davidt: yeaah :) 
[11:10:26] <fizz->	but Twitter is much less destructive to your productivity
[11:12:29] <davidt>	fizz-: Yeah, it just shows little popups from the top of your screen from time to time
[11:17:38] <davidt>	fizz-: Anyway, I dropped him a question in Yammer, he's in the US, so it'll take time until he answers.
[11:17:48] <fizz->	davidt: yeah, although IRC is alright too as long as I only get on freenode and not on efnet
[11:18:00] <davidt>	fizz-: 
[11:18:01] <fizz->	davidt: great, thanks mon!
[11:19:36] <Morbus>	g'day. my wiki has been acting strange lately - taking forever to load, oftentimes returning "has a problem" page, etc. It seems mostly related to the database - when I restart the database, it works fine again, for a bit. None of my other apps on this server are having the same problems. Should I just mysqlrepair the datrabase and hope? ;)
[11:21:09] <Morbus>	when i run a standard mysqlcheck on it, there's no complaints.
[11:21:20] <Morbus>	save for vub_mediawiki.searchindex
[11:21:20] <Morbus>	warning  : 2 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly
[11:21:20] <Morbus>	 which ends with OK
[11:22:07] <Morbus>	if i check a mysql full processlist, i see lots of ELETE /* MediaWikiBagOStuff::_doquery 72.30.142.235 */ FROM `objectcache` WHERE keyname='vub_mediawiki:messages:en:status'
[11:22:14] <Morbus>	25 n all.
[11:23:50] <Morbus>	restarted mysql, everything dandy again.
[11:43:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update request for mg.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17698  (10maartenvdbent)
[11:46:10] <Lawbringer>	i'm trying to install a mediawiki, i have setup the correct dbase,username etc but it's still asking me for the root password
[11:46:19] <Lawbringer>	which i don't have on this box
[11:46:50] <Lawbringer>	ahh my bad needed the root passwor dset to "-"
[11:52:24] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48577 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialExport.php: We have User::isAllowed() for that :)
[12:23:06] <MostafaDaneshvar>	is mass registration possible?
[12:25:31] <MostafaDaneshvar>	for example for a xml?
[12:25:43] <MostafaDaneshvar>	*from
[12:27:29] <ilyak>	check whether pywikimedia can do that
[12:27:35] <ilyak>	and use it if it does
[12:27:44] <ilyak>	otherwise make a quick hack or just sql them in
[12:29:07] <AirOnSkin>	Hello, I'd like to disable all tabs in MediaWiki in general for users who are not logged in. I followed the instructions in the FAQ to do that. This only removes one Tab, I'd like to have every one removed. They say "See the page source for the various #ca-* ids used in the content tabs." but I can't find that anywhere... Has anyone a List of all possible #ca-ids?
[12:34:29] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48578 10/trunk/extensions/ (17 files in 16 dirs): No more Image::newFromName/newFromTitle. wfFindFile() takes strings or titles.
[12:45:53] <AirOnSkin>	Hmm, maybe I have to redesign the question:
[12:45:53] <AirOnSkin>	(version a) How can I remove all tabs in MediaWiki for users who are not logged in?
[12:45:53] <AirOnSkin>	(version b) Is there a list somewhere for all possible #ca-ids?
[13:01:57] <werdna>	hey Mike_lifeguard 
[13:02:06] <werdna>	come to file some bugs? :P
[13:02:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	not today :)
[13:02:52] <werdna>	\o.
[13:03:02] <werdna>	It's midnight, just put my gf to bed, going camping with her tomorrow
[13:03:23] <OverlordQ>	:O
[13:03:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	enjoy "camping" :D
[13:05:06] <werdna>	haha, why the scare quotes?
[13:05:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	not scare quotes
[13:05:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	they're accompanied by a lecherous eyebrow wiggle - that give you a clue? :P
[13:05:52] <werdna>	haha
[13:05:59] <werdna>	we'll see :P
[13:06:52] <flyingparchment>	i'm not sure it's legal to date someone who still has to be put to bed
[13:09:37] <k3j0>	hi
[13:09:52] <k3j0>	is there another download possibility for Meidawiki 1.15?
[13:10:02] <k3j0>	the download from the page isnt working for me...
[13:10:09] <werdna>	flyingparchment: she only has to be put to bed because I'm at home and my parents might not approve of us being in the same bed
[13:22:19] <Duesentrieb>	k3j0: from what page? 1.15 isn't released yet. there should ne no download link.
[13:32:52] <p858snake>	werdna: the scare quotes are because your in australia, we have so mean freaky stalkers, seriel killers, deadly spiders/snakes ect....
[13:33:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make #time output month/day names in interface language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18047 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (chrisipk)
[13:34:32] <werdna>	ivan milat?
[13:35:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[13:36:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgExternalLinkTarget to same domain does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18048 major; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (dasch_87)
[13:37:02] <p858snake>	[[en:Category:Australian serial killers]]
[13:37:47] <werdna>	Is my userpage in that category?
[13:38:41] <Simetrical>	werdna, no putting userspace pages in mainspace cats, or the policy wonks will RFC you.
[13:40:04] <p858snake>	i went "i haz name" at tafe today and then looked at myself and went wtf
[13:40:36] <werdna>	Simetrical: oh noooes
[13:40:46] <werdna>	Simetrical: Will other people RfA me?
[13:42:22] <Simetrical>	They already did.  Or do you mean RfAr?
[13:42:24] <Simetrical>	:)
[13:42:52] <werdna>	No, the pawicee wonks will RfAr
[13:42:54] <werdna>	the other people RfA
[13:43:04] <werdna>	and I hear that if you do it enough you get BBQ'd
[13:43:54] <werdna>	hmm, I'm tired at quarter to 1
[13:44:03] <werdna>	something is wrong :P
[13:44:30] <Simetrical>	Quote from Ian Hickson resisting expansion of <time>: "How do I mark up the time of a blog for someone writing on a space ship going at 0.9c but publishing on a server in my reference frame?"
[13:44:37] <Simetrical>	Ian++
[13:45:21] <werdna>	haha
[13:45:48] <werdna>	yeah, relativity is going to mess things up when we get around to getting people go that fast.
[13:45:55] <werdna>	or in gravitational fields that strong
[13:46:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15644  +comment (10chrisipk)
[13:46:18] <Simetrical>	You can't have people living in gravity fields strong enough to pose a big problem, I don't think.
[13:46:36] <Simetrical>	Although general relativity is way beyond my comprehension.
[13:46:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make #time output month/day names in interface language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18047  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:47:02] <Simetrical>	It won't be too bad.  We'd all just have to use both local time and standard time.
[13:47:31] <werdna>	the universe has this inconvenient habit of not behaving like we want it to :)
[13:52:27] <Simetrical>	Quite possibly we're never going to be able to accelerate many people to a significant fraction of the speed of light.
[13:52:39] <Simetrical>	0.9c is a lot of energy and momentum.
[13:52:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete should have max age variable to hide content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17378  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[13:53:04] <Simetrical>	0.999999c is a ridiculous amount.
[13:55:03] <Nikerabbit>	hi Simetrical
[13:55:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) For RevisionDelete: Unsuppression is logged in the deletion log, not the suppression log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17854  (10mikelifeguard)
[13:55:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15644  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[13:56:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDeleted fails on latest revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17543  (10mikelifeguard)
[13:56:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) For RevisionDelete: Unsuppression is logged in the deletion log, not the suppression log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17854  (10mikelifeguard)
[14:02:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rev_deleted should use the history buttons to affect ranges of revisions on the history tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16607  (10FT2.wiki)
[14:02:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set $wgRestrictDisplayTitle to False on Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16427  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:03:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10mikelifeguard)
[14:05:00] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r48579 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ED_GetData.php: Added check to ensure that user is allowed to read page being accessed
[14:05:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rev_deleted should use the history buttons to affect ranges of revisions on the history tab - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16607  (10mikelifeguard)
[14:05:20] <CIA-60>	03yaron * r48580 10/trunk/extensions/ExternalData/ (ED_Settings.php README): New version: 0.5.2
[14:07:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button (JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[14:14:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on is.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16476  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:18:40] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r48581 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localization update for he.
[14:19:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RevisionDelete logging should be made clearer before being opened to admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18049 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (FT2.wiki)
[14:19:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15644  (10FT2.wiki)
[14:35:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on ia.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16485  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:49:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RevisionDelete should update once an action is applied - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17440  (10FT2.wiki)
[14:57:35] <Cantaberry>	I've got an old install which I have an SQL dump for.  Apparently, it doesn't have all of the tables because when I try to fire up (the same version), it says it can't find the text table.  If I pre-install the same version and then import my data into the db, I can see the page titles, but nothing shows up for the pages; it tells me it can't find them.  The version is 1.7.  Does anyone have
[14:57:53] <Cantaberry>	any suggestions of a maintenance script I can run to rebuild this thing straight up from the pages?
[14:58:45] <Duesentrieb>	Cantaberry: no. page content is in the text table and no where else. if the text table is gone, there's no content.
[14:59:07] <Duesentrieb>	the page table only contains a little meta info.
[14:59:57] <Cantaberry>	Hmm...  And then the MySQL binary file only exists as one file for all db's... Right?  I thought about pulling that off of tape but there's been a lot of changes since the last backup on the db as a whoe.
[15:00:00] <Cantaberry>	whole...
[15:00:24] <Simetrical>	You can't do partial InnoDB restores easily, no.
[15:00:29] <Simetrical>	From file copies, I mean.
[15:00:45] <Simetrical>	You'd have to load it up on a separate machine and mysqldump it or something.
[15:02:31] <Cantaberry>	I don't knwo why a mysqldump that I did didn't dump out the text table.
[15:02:34] <Cantaberry>	This sucks.
[15:03:12] <Cantaberry>	Well, thanks for the help.  I'll figure this out some how....
[15:04:53] <CIA-60>	03thomasv * r48582 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: changing the pagelist syntax; handle the case of empty pages
[15:05:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create proofread page namespaces on Chinese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15722  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:07:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade Bugzilla to 3.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16777   +shell (10sam)
[15:07:41] <ThomasV>	thanks RobH
[15:07:51] <RobH>	welcome
[15:07:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Invalid response from remote subversion client." from extension distributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17628   +shell (10sam)
[15:10:58] <RobH>	ThomasV: are you triaging bugs?
[15:11:07] <RobH>	cuz if so, pllllsssss keep it up.
[15:11:12] <RobH>	=]
[15:11:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create proofread page namespaces on Norwegian Bokm�l Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16232  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:14:21] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) "Invalid response from remote subversion client." from extension distributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17628  +comment (10sam)
[15:14:30] <Reedy>	lol, closing my own bug as WFM
[15:14:44] <ThomasV>	RobH: no, I am just campaining for configuration requests related to wikisource
[15:15:06] <ThomasV>	because I am involved in that project
[15:15:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Alias of 'Wikipedia' namespace in Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17701  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:15:47] <RobH>	ahh, no worries
[15:16:15] <ThomasV>	RobH: I also posted bug 18046 recently, if you feel like doing more :-)
[15:16:27] <RobH>	lemme take a gander at it
[15:17:04] <ThomasV>	that code has not been synchronized yet, but brion reviewed it
[15:17:08] <ITrace_>	Is it easy to move MediaWiki to a new server? Are there any built in options for that
[15:17:12] <Reedy>	!moving
[15:17:12] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[15:17:32] <ITrace_>	Thanks
[15:17:39] <RobH>	ThomasV: since brion did not assign it to me, I need to touch base with him before enabling it
[15:17:54] <ThomasV>	np
[15:17:57] <RobH>	when he is up and about later today I will be sure to ask him about it and if I can, get it done for ya
[15:17:59] <RobH>	=]
[15:18:06] <ThomasV>	great
[15:18:08] <RobH>	I am moving it to my assignment so I dont forget.
[15:18:27] <ThomasV>	looks like I have found the right person to ask to
[15:18:30] <ThomasV>	:-)
[15:18:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable text layer extraction from djvu on Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18046  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:18:45] <RobH>	if its site changes and such, I am one of the primary folks for it
[15:18:53] <RobH>	in fact, brion been assigning me all his site changes lately ;]
[15:19:02] <RobH>	if its code or dev work, i am not the right person
[15:19:36] <RobH>	but if its new, like this one, I run it past brion or tim before i push it live.  stuff like flaggedrevs and such that are far from unusual i just enable if there is consensus
[15:19:49] <ThomasV>	ok
[15:20:04] <Raymond_>	RobH: is bug 17453  something you could do for me?
[15:21:00] <RobH>	Raymond_: i dont read german, so guessing its consensus without the green circles is hard.  but its consensus right?  ;]
[15:21:21] <Raymond_>	RobH: yes,. its consensous :)
[15:21:34] <RobH>	hrmm, gotta find where that flag is set, but I should be able to do yes
[15:21:39] <RobH>	i am snagging it from wikibugs to myself.
[15:21:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable forceeditsummary for dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17453  (10rhalsell)
[15:22:03] <RobH>	telling you guys I do this stuff may have been a mistake ;]
[15:22:13] <RobH>	(im kiddin)
[15:22:19] <Raymond_>	thanks :)
[15:22:27] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) SRF-Ploticus: Embed URL and other metadata into generated plots - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18020  +comment (10mediawiki)
[15:22:37] <RobH>	ahh, its in commonsettings it seems.
[15:22:39] <Reedy>	16777 isn't so simple a bug... But one part is security fixes for bugzilla (assigned to brion).. The other is upgrading it to a newer version
[15:24:00] <RobH>	Raymond_: I am going to make that change now, please stick around and ensure dewiki doesnt crash and burn once I push it  ;]
[15:24:15] <Raymond_>	RobH: ok
[15:24:59] <RobH>	Raymond_: done
[15:25:05] <towo>	JFTR, there isn't an easy way to upload a bunch of images painlessly, is there?
[15:25:14] <Raymond_>	RobH: thanks a lot :)
[15:25:20] <RobH>	it working?
[15:25:39] <RobH>	i see the site is, i mean the change.
[15:25:58] <RobH>	towo: to commons?
[15:26:06] <RobH>	there are a few applications out there that do it
[15:26:20] <towo>	Well, not commons, just a MediaWiki in general...
[15:26:30] <ThomasV>	RobH: when you created the ns, you forgot to move the existing pages that have the prefix
[15:26:32] <RobH>	I forget the one I used, was java based, supported category flags and even made a gallery on my user page
[15:26:46] <RobH>	eww, ThomasV i will run the namespace dupes to fix right now
[15:26:50] <ThomasV>	at least for no.ws
[15:27:02] <ThomasV>	ok
[15:27:12] <ThomasV>	is this a script ?
[15:27:19] <RobH>	there is a scirpt to fix it ya
[15:27:25] <RobH>	i just didnt run it, i fix now
[15:27:55] <ITrace_>	Could anybody float me a link to information on making MediaWiki password protected?
[15:28:32] <Reedy>	password protected?
[15:28:47] <Raymond_>	RobH: it works well :)
[15:28:48] <RobH>	ThomasV: Ok, I ran it on both the wikisource languages I fixed earlier
[15:28:49] <Reedy>	to edit/read? or to get onto it at all?
[15:28:50] <Nikerabbit>	mm quiet
[15:28:52] <RobH>	they should be working now
[15:28:53] <ThomasV>	RobH: thanks, looks like it is done
[15:28:55] <RobH>	Raymond_: Great =]
[15:29:11] <RobH>	ThomasV: sorry about that, that is the second time I have done that and forgot to fix dupes
[15:29:15] <ITrace_>	Raymond: I want to restrict access to our media wiki
[15:29:46] <RobH>	ITrace_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[15:29:56] <RobH>	that sounds like what you are looking for
[15:30:12] <RobH>	anything more than entire wiki access restrictions is via extensions.
[15:30:22] <RobH>	blanket access restrictions are supported in core software
[15:30:30] <Reedy>	or .htaccess username/password access to even view it ;)
[15:30:51] <RobH>	indeed, but then you have to update the .htaccess file (i dislike those files cuz i am lazy)
[15:30:58] <ITrace_>	I can't do .htaccess on a windows server correct?
[15:30:59] <RobH>	;]
[15:31:13] <Reedy>	ITrace_, should be able to
[15:31:31] <RobH>	ITrace_: you are better off using the software restrictions.  You can use the link to set registration to closed (only 'crats can register folks then) and require login to view pages
[15:31:32] <Reedy>	well, might be slightly different for IIS... but its doable
[15:31:34] <RobH>	imo
[15:32:07] <RobH>	but, thats just my viewpoint.  .htaccess is a widely accepted way of preventing access, and has no restriction on what content to load behind it, so its also a valid method.
[15:32:28] <RobH>	but WMF uses the wiki software for our private wikis (arbitration, internal, so on)
[15:32:53] <ITrace_>	I found information on a "Simple private wiki" that sounds like what I want.
[15:33:13] <RobH>	ITrace_: make sure you require login to view pages, and close registratoins.
[15:33:16] <RobH>	registrations.
[15:33:17] <RobH>	even
[15:33:31] <ITrace_>	Thanks for the info.
[15:33:34] <RobH>	indeed, the simple private wiki entry has all that.
[15:33:45] *RobH 	should read the links he posts....
[15:34:42] <Reedy>	RobH, did you see my comment about bug 16777 above?
[15:34:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable forceeditsummary for dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17453  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:35:23] <RobH>	Reedy: Yep, actually I did not know of the bug until now, but it was already on my list.
[15:35:33] <RobH>	We are going to relocate bugzilla's host server and do that at the same time.
[15:35:35] <Reedy>	heh, fair enough :)
[15:35:53] <RobH>	We just have some customizations on it that Brion has to review and fix.  Mostly because I have 0 interest in doing theme updates ;]
[15:36:04] <Reedy>	Haha
[15:36:05] <RobH>	hence why the techblog i installed has default, supported themes only =]
[15:36:13] <Reedy>	I presumed that'd be the case for the 3.2 upgrade at least
[15:36:23] <Reedy>	WPMU?
[15:36:27] <RobH>	I am trying to convince brion that custom themes are horrid
[15:36:32] <RobH>	and to drop the bugzilla theme for a default
[15:36:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[15:36:44] <Reedy>	Its the "mediawiki" feel
[15:36:46] <RobH>	so when updates are released, I can just roll them out without horrible borkage
[15:36:54] <Mike_lifeguard>	You wanted bug triage? :)
[15:37:20] <RobH>	Mike_lifeguard: I asked for it, and seemed to have kinda gotten it.  I should be more careful for what I wish for eh?  ;]
[15:37:38] <Reedy>	You might close more bugs than demon this week ;)
[15:37:57] <RobH>	if the office phones dont break, perhaps ;]
[15:38:19] <Mike_lifeguard>	does one say "in the shell" or "on the shell"?
[15:38:32] <Reedy>	the is redundant..
[15:38:41] <Reedy>	i run this command in shell
[15:38:44] <Reedy>	i run this command on shell
[15:38:48] <Reedy>	on a shell
[15:38:54] <RobH>	either works to me, but drop the the
[15:38:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	"on" it is :)
[15:39:14] *RobH 	needs to start thinking about lunch
[15:39:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Phase I usernames with underscores break the system. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[15:39:22] <Reedy>	you mean you havent already? :P
[15:39:26] <RobH>	sprained foot, no food in apartment, if I eat pizza one more time I will kill myself.
[15:39:34] <RobH>	its 1130am here =]
[15:39:35] <NicDumZ>	I shield behind my shell.
[15:39:58] <RobH>	I think I will have to summon the energy to hobble down to the car and drive to the store.
[15:40:45] <NicDumZ>	and when safe inside, I command.
[15:42:31] *RobH 	goes to put on shoes and drive to store
[15:42:34] <RobH>	publix sushi time.
[15:42:37] <RobH>	bbiab
[15:45:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request for <chem> (xmytex) LaTeX extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[15:45:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Missingsummary only in namespace 0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18050 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[15:46:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make Log includable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18051 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (dasch_87)
[15:46:24] <Reedy>	Raymond_, ^ 18050
[15:46:37] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Import strips angle brackets on some installations (libxml2 entity bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554  normal->major; normal->highest; +comment (10jidanni)
[15:47:28] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Enable template inclusion from Commons (transclusion => interwiki templates, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4547  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[15:49:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oddly named talk pages cannot be unwatched via Special:Watchlist/edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5280  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[15:53:29] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Install the StringFunctions extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[15:55:59] <ThomasV>	what is the list of characters allowed in tags passed to a parser hook ?
[15:56:52] <ThomasV>	I want to do something like <mytag 4:10=foo /> but it looks like the semicolon is not allowed
[15:57:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Captcha on nds.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6842  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[16:00:37] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Enable extension VariablesExtension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7865  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[16:03:31] <jlerner>	i would like enable watchlist functionality for all users - but only works if you're logged in
[16:03:46] <jlerner>	how terrible an idea would it be if all users were auto logged in with an "account"
[16:03:57] <jlerner>	could purge old inactive accounts after some period of time
[16:08:15] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Import strips angle brackets on some installations (libxml2 entity bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554  major->normal; highest->normal; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:23:36] *RobH 	is now realizing trying to not use the cane for a sprained foot was a bad idea.
[16:26:19] <atglenn>	uh huh
[16:26:30] <ThomasV>	huh uh
[16:26:35] <atglenn>	crutches
[16:26:47] <atglenn>	zero weight for a feww days
[16:29:42] <ITrace_>	Can I run mediawiki on my server with Microsoft SQL? or do I need to install MySQL?
[16:32:04] <ThomasV>	hello brion. I have a question: I want to do something like <foo 4:10=bar /> (parser hook) but it looks like the semicolon is not allowed in a tag. what is the list of allowed characters ?
[16:32:13] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Enable text layer extraction from djvu on Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18046  +comment (10brion)
[16:32:14] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Complete migration of all application servers from Fedora to Ubuntu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17452  (10brion)
[16:33:41] <RobH>	Im not using crutches
[16:33:45] <RobH>	one, they cost money
[16:34:01] <RobH>	two, using a cane somehow has a larger stigma to it, thus I can screw with more ppl that way
[16:34:06] <brion>	ThomasV: i think that's what we would call an undefined namespace in xml land :)
[16:34:09] <RobH>	crutches denote 'temporary'
[16:34:12] <RobH>	cane says 'forever'
[16:34:19] <RobH>	thus folks can be messed with
[16:34:24] <ITrace_>	Can I run mediawiki on my server with Microsoft SQL? or do I need to install MySQL?
[16:36:05] <RobH>	ITrace_: its not officially supported, I dunno if it would work.
[16:36:20] <RobH>	official support is there for mysql and postgres
[16:36:20] <brion>	ITrace_: if you hate yourselfa nd want to cause a huge amount of pain, you *could* run on something other than mysql with some experimental third-party patches
[16:36:28] <brion>	if you're not a masochist, install mysql
[16:36:37] <brion>	it's free and runs on windows :)
[16:36:50] <RobH>	and has stored procedures (8 years after mssql!)
[16:36:51] <RobH>	;]
[16:37:01] <brion>	stored procedures are for wusses
[16:37:04] <RobH>	....
[16:37:08] <ITrace_>	I know but I have to explain this to a stuck up IT dude and I was hoping there would be an easy fix.
[16:37:13] <RobH>	atglenn: can you spit in brion's coffee for me pls?
[16:37:17] <ThomasV>	brion: I tried underscore instead of semicolon, it does not seem to work either
[16:37:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[16:37:30] <RobH>	storedprocedures rock.
[16:37:32] <brion>	ITrace_: easy fix is get an it dude that appreciates industry standard software like mysql
[16:37:45] <ITrace_>	Word
[16:37:52] <brion>	openoffice ;)
[16:37:55] <RobH>	sucks.
[16:37:57] <RobH>	ahem
[16:37:58] <atglenn>	RobH: 
[16:38:04] <atglenn>	no, it's too far form here :-P
[16:38:15] <RobH>	bah
[16:38:34] *RobH 	pushes #mediawiki to devolve into pointless bickering over standardss.
[16:39:05] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Missingsummary only in namespace 0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18050  +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[16:39:36] <RobH>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18041
[16:39:42] <RobH>	god damn ppl notice tiny stuff.
[16:40:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Connection Failed page should give links to 3rd-party caches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8553  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[16:42:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Captcha on nds.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6842  (10wiki)
[16:44:24] <ThomasV>	brion : I thought djvutxt is included in the djvulibre package ?
[16:44:33] <brion>	mebbe
[16:49:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibooks icon on login needs to be updated to current logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18041  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:49:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide updated distributions of the custom templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9025  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[16:49:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade Bugzilla to 3.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16777  (10mikelifeguard)
[16:51:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Captcha on nds.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6842  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:51:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Wikibooks icon on login needs to be updated to current logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18041  +comment (10rhalsell)
[16:54:05] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Install <sort> extension on all Wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9396  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:00:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable subpages in template namespace on MediaWiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16426  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:08:13] <ksjkskhks>	wheres
[17:08:18] <ksjkskhks>	uberfuzzy
[17:09:44] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48583 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (5 files in 4 dirs): minor fixes/rewording of parent stream reference
[17:11:59] <CIA-60>	03philip * r48584 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[17:12:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable subpages in template namespace on MediaWiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16426  (10minuteelectron)
[17:12:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052  (10Platonides)
[17:12:29] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) Missingsummary only in namespace 0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18050  (10Platonides)
[17:12:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Aliases of 'Wikipedia talk' namespace in Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17885  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:12:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make Log includable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18051  (10Platonides)
[17:16:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support OpenID extension on all wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9604  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:17:57] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Change "Portal talk" to "Perbualan Portal" on mswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9907  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[17:19:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Configure groups in nowiki for access to Special:Unwatchedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14079  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:20:40] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[17:26:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enabling public viewing for certain pages on il.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10632  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:29:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import strips angle brackets on some installations (libxml2 entity bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554  (10jidanni)
[17:31:07] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Install DynamicPageList on Incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11112  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:33:09] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48585 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[17:33:09] <CIA-60>	version bump for fresh js
[17:33:09] <CIA-60>	fixed bug in array mapping of semantic properties
[17:33:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:RequestAccount form post results in BadTitle page (ConfirmAccount Extension) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18053 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (slp.45325678)
[17:33:54] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Changing the text when a wiki does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11125  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:34:29] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: :-\
[17:34:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'm not re-opening them
[17:36:01] <sonata4um>	hey guys
[17:36:04] <sonata4um>	I have a question
[17:36:09] <^demon>	!ask
[17:36:09] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[17:36:16] <sonata4um>	oh lol sorry
[17:36:43] <^demon>	You don't have to read the guide first. What's your question?
[17:36:52] <sonata4um>	I just installed 1.14 (from 1.12) and now it won't let me upload .zip files
[17:36:57] <sonata4um>	it says:
[17:36:59] <sonata4um>	Cannot upload this file because Internet Explorer would detect it as "application/zip", which is a disallowed and potentially dangerous file type.
[17:37:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install PdfHandler extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11215  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:37:14] <saper>	sonata4um: hey
[17:37:19] <saper>	it's $wgMimeTypeBlacklist (check)
[17:37:43] <sonata4um>	ah, i forgot that one. Was that necessary in 1.12 too? I think I remember changing that back then
[17:40:38] <saper>	sonata4um: it is now in DefaultSettings.php, dunno before
[17:40:57] <saper>	and, yes, the list includes zip
[17:41:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences Form Customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15235  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:43:04] <sonata4um>	yeah i see it
[17:43:09] <sonata4um>	# A ZIP file may be a valid Java archive containing an applet which exploits the
[17:43:09] <sonata4um>		# same-origin policy to steal cookies
[17:43:09] <sonata4um>		'application/zip',
[17:43:37] <sonata4um>	what's the likelyhood of that, though?
[17:44:24] <sonata4um>	MediaWiki only downloads the file, right?
[17:45:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wikibugs should report "(Reopened)" only when the bug's status is changed to reopened. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18054 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (mikelifeguard)
[17:45:50] <sonata4um>	that's not really a substantial risk, is it?
[17:46:44] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) static discussion advise (for not-logged-in users) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15309  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:47:34] <sonata4um>	oh well, thanks for the help!
[17:48:10] <^demon>	sonata4um: It could potentially be a big exploit. Depends on how much you trust your users uploading.
[17:48:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add support for firefogg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16927  (10brion)
[17:49:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibugs should report "(Reopened)" only when the bug's status is changed to reopened. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18054  (10brion)
[17:49:25] <sonata4um>	hmm.
[17:49:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge Help namespace into Project in the Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11489  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:50:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge Help namespace into Project in the Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11489  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:51:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge Help namespace into Project in the Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11489  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:52:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable CommentPages extension on English Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11586  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:53:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for zh.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17986  (10brion)
[17:53:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable email notifications on en.wikipedia... as far as possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11636  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:54:31] <sonata4um>	oh snap, the links changed from Image: to File:
[17:55:12] <^demon>	sonata4um: Yes. It shouldn't break anything though.
[17:55:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Special:Books on Swedish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18023  +comment (10brion)
[17:56:30] <sonata4um>	are they still all inside the /images directory?
[17:56:48] <ialex>	this didn't change
[17:57:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Images component under MediaWiki should be renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18034  +comment (10brion)
[17:57:03] <sonata4um>	ah, wait I see
[17:57:03] <sonata4um>	right
[17:59:37] <^demon>	Now we have "Images and Files" and "File/FileRepo." That's nice and clear.
[18:00:54] <Cantaberry>	If I want to create a whole bunch of pages in mediawiki and then have the content of all of those pages pulled into a parent page, what is that called in mediawiki?  What I want to do is template inclusion {{}} but on regular content (not templates)
[18:01:13] <sonata4um>	how can I rename a file after it's been uploaded? Or is it better to just reupload it?
[18:01:55] <ialex>	sonata4um: image moving is experimental
[18:02:34] <ialex>	but you can set $wgAllowImageMoving = true; to test it
[18:03:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	brion: thx
[18:03:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image/jpeg2000 files not thumbnailed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11871  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:03:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image/jpeg2000 files not thumbnailed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11871  -shell  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:04:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RequestAccount form post results in BadTitle page (ConfirmAccount Extension) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18053  (10slp.45325678)
[18:04:54] <Cantaberry>	Any thoughts?
[18:05:22] <ialex>	{{:Page}}
[18:05:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The revision size is not available for old revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12188  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:05:32] <ialex>	this will include [[Page]]
[18:06:23] <sonata4um>	how would I use the AllowImageMoving after I've enabled it?
[18:06:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate privileges for redirecting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17461  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:06:29] <Cantaberry>	Darn...  Thanks!  I was digging through the docs, but couldn't find that...
[18:07:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) instead of "discussions"buton it shows {{#ifeq:Tartışma|Kullanıcı mesaj|mesaj|tartışma}} (related only with the Turkish version)) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18055 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (darkhorn)
[18:07:17] <ialex>	sonata4um: move the file's description pages (as any other page) and it will rename the file
[18:07:43] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Redirects aren't parsed before target extraction, breaks {{ns:}} and other stuff in redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15164  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:07:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14323  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:07:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) instead of "discussions"buton it shows {{#ifeq:Tartışma|Kullanıcı mesaj|mesaj|tartışma}} (related only with the Turkish version)) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18055  normal->high (10darkhorn)
[18:08:03] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48586 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/installer.py: Too much paranoia is bad for you
[18:08:07] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Noinclude redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17690  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:08:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14323  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:08:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Export all pages from a custom namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17886  (10brion)
[18:09:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set new user groups for bswiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13451  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[18:10:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10brion)
[18:10:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oddly named talk pages cannot be unwatched via Special:Watchlist/edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5280  (10brion)
[18:11:20] <sonata4um>	pvmsg[ialex]: what do you mean?
[18:11:20] <sonata4um>	haha
[18:11:20] <sonata4um>	but really, how would I move the description pages?
[18:11:53] <ialex>	sonata4um: go to the page and click the "move" tab
[18:12:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) instead of "discussions"buton it shows {{#ifeq:Tartışma|Kullanıcı mesaj|mesaj|tartışma}} (related only with the Turkish version)) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18055  (10darkhorn)
[18:12:40] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14323  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:12:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Hungarian localization for the servers unavailable error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13502  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:13:28] <uberfuzzy>	what is the actually technical reason why you cant move a category?
[18:13:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install PdfHandler extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11215  (10brion)
[18:13:40] <Cantaberry>	Is there a way to get a TOC on a master page based upon the content of sub pages?
[18:14:06] <sonata4um>	ah, works well, thanks
[18:14:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable CommentPages extension on English Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11586  +comment (10brion)
[18:14:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unable to upload particular file to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13551  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:16:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oddly named talk pages cannot be unwatched via Special:Watchlist/edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5280  (10brion)
[18:16:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unable to upload particular file to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13551  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:17:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add 'IRC' Component to 'Wikimedia' Product - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18056 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (mikelifeguard)
[18:18:28] <Cantaberry>	TOC from {{:page}}  Or where can I find it without digging through volumes of docs?
[18:18:29] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: Disagree. IRC issues for WMF are a small subset of that tracking bug.
[18:18:43] <^demon>	Cantaberry: Short answer, no.
[18:19:04] <Cantaberry>	Cool.  Thanks...
[18:19:38] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48587 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
[18:19:38] <CIA-60>	Added the possibility to pass some definitions to load_txt_def.
[18:19:38] <CIA-60>	This adds a thrid parameter to load_txt_def, which is an array with the following keys (all optionals):
[18:19:38] <CIA-60>	* array: list of keys that will always be arrays, even if they are not defined with "[]" in the file
[18:19:38] <CIA-60>	* allowed: list of allowed keys, if a key is used but not in this array, an error will be emitted
[18:19:41] <CIA-60>	* key: set the "Group" name in this key instead of using associative array for the "top level" one
[18:19:43] <CIA-60>	Users who compiled an older version of load_txt_def must recompile it.
[18:20:00] <markisoke>	Is here anyone that can help me in dutch
[18:20:05] *Mike_lifeguard 	shrugs
[18:20:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	Then say so on the bug
[18:20:16] <Mike_lifeguard>	It was just a suggestion
[18:20:52] <sonata4um>	I'm gonna go, guys. Thanks for all your help!
[18:20:56] <brion>	Mike_lifeguard: covering irc.wikimedia.org, stuff on freenode, or both?
[18:21:16] <markisoke>	Is here anyone dutch that can help me
[18:21:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add MediaWiki SVN revision to IRC logmsgbot on scap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13665  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:21:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	irc.wikimedia.org only - I don't see how there could be any bugs relating to Freenode
[18:22:01] <CIA-60>	03river * r48588 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (125 files in 3 dirs): TSvim: add patches 026 - 147; move vimrc to /etc/opt/ts/vim; add a default ts.vim that sets :nocp and other options that Linux people like
[18:22:42] <brion>	Mike_lifeguard: well we've go tbots and crap :)
[18:22:50] <brion>	wikibugs has a separate component but there are others
[18:23:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	ah, yes
[18:23:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add 'IRC' Component to 'Wikimedia' Product - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18056  +comment (10brion)
[18:23:37] <Mike_lifeguard>	those should perhaps have a catchall for all our reporting stuff
[18:23:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	FIXED?! awww, now I have to fill it don't I? :P
[18:24:28] <RobH>	damn
[18:24:29] <RobH>	i closed this
[18:24:34] <RobH>	who asked about a namespace bug?
[18:24:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	I did
[18:24:41] <RobH>	I can take care of it, i just closed the window and dont log.
[18:24:46] <RobH>	bug #?
[18:24:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	& there was one other that someone asked "Is that even possible"
[18:25:02] <Mike_lifeguard>	& I don't know the answer to that
[18:25:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'll look for both...
[18:25:07] <RobH>	just paste me the bug #'s and I will do my best ^_^
[18:25:28] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: It was me. But I just cleared my scrollback :-\
[18:25:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11488 is the easy one
[18:25:38] <Mike_lifeguard>	np, I'm ccd on it...
[18:26:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11489 is the other one - we're not sure if it /can/ be done
[18:26:11] <Prodego>	namespacedupes
[18:26:14] <Prodego>	don't forget it!
[18:26:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10chrisipk)
[18:26:29] <RobH>	Prodego: Indeed!
[18:26:30] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48589 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/TxtDef.php: This was supposed to be private :)
[18:26:44] <^demon>	brion: Is 11489 possible? They want to get rid of NS_HELP.
[18:26:52] <Prodego>	deletewikipedia.php
[18:26:57] <Prodego>	don't forget that either!
[18:26:58] <RobH>	Mike_lifeguard: I will take a look at both, thx for bringing them to my attention ^_^
[18:27:13] <RobH>	Prodego: I find the dd utility on the shell does that well enough.
[18:27:21] <Prodego>	:P
[18:27:24] <RobH>	dd the /dev/null is best security ever!
[18:27:34] <Mike_lifeguard>	no problem, I hope I'm being helpful with these bug changes :)
[18:27:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) instead of "discussions"buton it shows {{#ifeq:Tartışma|Kullanıcı mesaj|mesaj|tartışma}} (related only with the Turkish version)) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18055  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[18:27:38] <RobH>	you are
[18:28:08] <Prodego>	I am not though :)
[18:28:46] <RobH>	I have a checklist I do when I run certain tasks
[18:28:48] <RobH>	just so i dont miss them
[18:28:53] <RobH>	earlier today I put in all caps
[18:28:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) instead of "discussions"buton it shows {{#ifeq:Tartışma|Kullanıcı mesaj|mesaj|tartışma}} (related only with the Turkish version)) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18055  (10brion)
[18:29:01] <RobH>	RUN THE DUPES SCRIPT WHEN YOU DO NAMESPACE CRAP
[18:29:02] <RobH>	;]
[18:29:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10brion)
[18:30:37] <Cantaberry>	What is {{:name}} called in the docs so I can google it?  I'd like more explainatin on it.
[18:30:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10brion)
[18:31:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install hanp extension parser function on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712  -need-review -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:32:00] <brion>	Mike_lifeguard: what were you doing at the time this message appeared?
[18:32:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTML tweaks / Clean up ImagePage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17617  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:32:38] <brion>	Mike_lifeguard: did you open the page before i renamed the component per your request, then save it after?
[18:32:43] <brion>	cuz i bet that would explain it
[18:32:54] <Mike_lifeguard>	Yep - no longer a problem :)
[18:33:14] <Mike_lifeguard>	three cheers for coincidence
[18:33:40] <brion>	\o/
[18:34:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10chrisipk)
[18:35:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add support for JPEG 2000 images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11871  normal->15enhancement; summary (10brion)
[18:35:24] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Install ConfirmAccount extension on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:35:59] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:36:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install hanp extension parser function on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[18:36:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) instead of "discussions"buton it shows {{#ifeq:Tartışma|Kullanıcı mesaj|mesaj|tartışma}} (related only with the Turkish version)) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18055  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[18:36:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install hanp extension parser function on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13712  +comment (10brion)
[18:40:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10chrisipk)
[18:44:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10innocentkiller)
[18:46:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10brion)
[18:53:57] <RobH>	Mike_lifeguard: I do not think I can do 11488
[18:54:07] <RobH>	it appears to be more of a localization issue
[18:54:11] <RobH>	i have brion glancing at it now for me.
[18:54:45] <^demon>	RobH: Might need brion to glance at 11489 too. I'm not even sure if it's possible.
[18:55:24] <RobH>	I let him know about both.
[18:55:38] <Mike_lifeguard>	ok, sounds good
[18:56:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	I will probably continue clearing out shell stuff later so you can actually find what needs to be worked on
[18:56:01] <RobH>	dont let that dissuade you from bringing other site config requests to my attention ;]
[18:56:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	all kinds of cruft in there
[18:56:20] <RobH>	indeed, it has so much crap shoved into it its hard to find relevant tickets
[18:56:28] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48590 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 3 dirs): firefogg updates add msg for unsupported file type
[18:56:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16342 is easy :)
[18:58:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10chrisipk)
[18:58:49] <Mike_lifeguard>	wow, inbox bloat
[18:58:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for zh.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17986  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:00:29] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: Filters :)
[19:00:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	already have them... so "wow folder bloat"? :D
[19:01:20] <^demon>	Way too many mailing lists. cc'd on way too many bugs.
[19:01:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add support for firefogg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16927  +comment (10dale)
[19:04:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Update Wikibooks logo for CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17945  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:04:47] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) Wikibooks icon on login needs to be updated to current logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18041  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:04:56] <CIA-60>	03river * r48591 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSzsh.spec: TSzsh: new spec
[19:07:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add support for firefogg - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16927  (10brion)
[19:07:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:CentralAuth needs better handling of midair collisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18057 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (mikelifeguard)
[19:07:52] <CIA-60>	03river * r48592 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSpcre.spec base-specs/pcre.spec): TSpcre: update to current build system
[19:08:15] <CIA-60>	03river * r48593 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSphp.spec: TSphp: build with gd and bcmath extensions
[19:08:29] *RobH 	sets up a mail server filter to toss bug stuff into a folder so he can pretend they dont exist.
[19:09:06] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) CentralAuth problem with user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14914  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:09:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow globalgrouppermissions to be assigned as a local right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17308  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:09:42] <CIA-60>	03river * r48594 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSganglia.spec: TSganglia: update to current build system
[19:11:14] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) please provide a SUL-Newuser-Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15271  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:11:17] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) Create a channel on Wikimedia IRC that logs newly created/unified accounts on all wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15276  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:12:07] <CIA-60>	03river * r48595 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSlibmcrypt.spec base-specs/libmcrypt.spec): TSlibmcrypt: convert to new build system
[19:12:17] <CIA-60>	03river * r48596 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSlibedit.spec base-specs/libedit.spec): TSlibedit: convert to current build system
[19:12:22] <CIA-60>	03river * r48597 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSlibtool.spec: TSlibtool: update to current build system
[19:12:31] <CIA-60>	03river * r48598 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSopenssh.spec: TSopenssh: convert to new build system; put /opt/ts/bin in front of default path for scp etc
[19:13:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable flood flag configuration on English Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16342  (10rhalsell)
[19:13:39] <Reedy>	RobH, still at it? :)
[19:13:51] <RobH>	Today is my bug day.
[19:14:25] <RobH>	last week was staff meetings and goals and such
[19:14:40] <CIA-60>	03river * r48599 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSglib.spec base-specs/glib.spec): TSglib: convert to new build system
[19:14:53] <RobH>	i need tangible (well, as so much as a computer screen can give me) results of work.
[19:14:57] <RobH>	\o/
[19:14:58] <CIA-60>	03river * r48600 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSgmake.spec: TSgmake: new spec
[19:15:56] <Reedy>	RobH, pay day sometime soon? ;P
[19:16:12] <RobH>	i do direct deposit and I pay off my bills electronically
[19:16:18] <RobH>	not very tangible either ;]
[19:16:25] <Reedy>	heh
[19:16:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10brion)
[19:16:48] <CIA-60>	03river * r48601 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSwhich.spec: TSwhich: convert to new build system
[19:16:54] *RobH 	is going to empty his bank account into pennies so he can swim in them like scrooge mcduck.
[19:17:00] <Reedy>	haha
[19:17:03] <Reedy>	That'd be epic
[19:17:20] <CIA-60>	03river * r48602 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TScairo.spec base-specs/cairo.spec): TScairo: convert to new build system
[19:17:22] <RobH>	I may be able to fill a small baby pool if i save up a few months....
[19:17:59] <CIA-60>	03river * r48603 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSpkgconfig.spec base-specs/pkgconfig.spec): TSpkgconfig: convert to new build system
[19:18:59] <CIA-60>	03river * r48604 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/TSpango.spec: TSpango: need to require TScairo
[19:19:26] <CIA-60>	03river * r48605 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/include/ (arch64.inc base.inc): add defines for %_configure and %_make
[19:20:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable Collection / PDF exention on meta.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18058 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (brion)
[19:20:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10raimond.spekking)
[19:20:41] <CIA-60>	03river * r48606 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (TSpixman.spec base-specs/pixman.spec): TSpixman: convert to new build system
[19:20:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Collection / PDF extension on meta.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18058  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[19:22:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature request: local hiding of account names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14476  (10mikelifeguard)
[19:23:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Review/Enable GlobalUsage extension to supplement/replace CheckUsage toolserver tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18059 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (brion)
[19:23:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install ConfirmAccount extension on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782  (10rjd0060.wiki)
[19:23:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10brion)
[19:24:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	replace replace replace :D
[19:25:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Hide username from the block log, active block list and user list" should also hide the block in Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17831  (10spacebirdy)
[19:28:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Review/Enable GlobalUsage extension to supplement/replace CheckUsage toolserver tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18059  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:30:15] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) RevisionDelete should have max age variable to hide content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17378  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:30:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpHideName should hide the username more effectively - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17831  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:34:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpHideName should hide the username more effectively - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17831  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:34:32] <CIA-60>	03river * r48607 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/ (5 files in 3 dirs): TSzabbix: new spec
[19:34:40] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48608 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 3 dirs): export fix..
[19:34:46] <Lady_Aleena>	Where is the general CSS file again?
[19:36:50] <Lady_Aleena>	Please disregard.
[19:38:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable flood flag configuration on English Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16342  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:38:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Lockandhide should be logged in the suppression log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18060 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (mikelifeguard)
[19:39:51] <RobH>	damn you vibber~!
[19:40:09] *RobH 	has more bugs than ever.
[19:40:38] *^demon 	gives RobH a brownie
[19:40:45] *Lady_Aleena 	sets out cookies on the table for everyone.
[19:41:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) For RevisionDelete: Unsuppression is logged in the deletion log, not the suppression log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17854  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:41:39] <ialex>	Lady_Aleena: you mean MediaWiki:Common.css or main.css?
[19:42:14] <Lady_Aleena>	ialex, probably both, but the reason I wanted to see them poofed.
[19:42:58] <ialex>	Lady_Aleena: MediaWiki:Common.css is a wiki page, but main.css is a file in skins/monobook
[19:45:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) For RevisionDelete: Unsuppression is logged in the deletion log, not the suppression log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17854  (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:46:51] <Lady_Aleena>	ialex, up towards the top of MediaWiki:Common.css at .references-2column it might be a good idea to note that -webkit- is also vendor-specific.
[19:47:30] *RobH 	looks at the horror of the config files and cries to himself
[19:47:56] <RobH>	...why is alphabetical order by project hard within a given parameter array....
[19:49:10] <ialex>	RobH: and also: why are there settings that are deprecated for years, duplicates, ... :)
[19:49:30] <RobH>	yea, i am still getting a handle on a lot of the settings
[19:49:40] <RobH>	i been deleting some as i learn they are no longer supported or relevant
[19:49:46] <RobH>	but its a living damned config file, its hard.
[19:50:11] <ialex>	e.g. wgIPBlockExpiration is really deprecated
[19:52:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove wgIPBlockExpiration from cluster config files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18061 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (rhalsell)
[19:52:08] <RobH>	ialex: \o/
[19:52:18] <RobH>	I like leaving a 'paper trail' of crap I do.
[19:52:41] <RobH>	if you see stuff like that, let me know.
[19:52:54] <RobH>	basically its supposed to be one of my primary duties
[19:52:55] <RobH>	=P
[19:53:16] <ialex>	wgRCSeconds, wgWhitelistEdit, wgWhitelistAccount too
[19:53:23] *RobH 	udpates bug
[19:53:50] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Remove wgIPBlockExpiration from cluster config files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18061  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:56:45] <AaronSchulz>	robH: can you run 'php updateLinks.php --updateonly=pages' on flaggrevs wikis?
[19:57:34] <CIA-60>	03river * r48609 10/trunk/tools/ts-specs/: moved to svn.toolserver.org
[19:57:35] <CIA-60>	03river * r48610 10/trunk/tools/tsutils/: moved to svn.toolserver.org
[19:57:48] <RobH>	AaronSchulz: sure can, let me finish the bug im on and I will get right on it
[19:57:59] <AaronSchulz>	robH: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/FlaggedRevs_setup
[19:58:02] <AaronSchulz>	perhaps add there
[19:58:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable Collection / PDF extension on meta.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18058  +comment (10rhalsell)
[20:00:27] <RobH>	AaronSchulz: so it should be run on a wiki upon its addition of the extension, correct?
[20:00:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10chrisipk)
[20:00:57] <AaronSchulz>	yeah, unless I pull part of the script up, and just run it everywhere
[20:01:03] <AaronSchulz>	hmm
[20:02:01] <RobH>	i updated the wiki page
[20:02:04] <RobH>	that look right to you?
[20:03:54] <AaronSchulz>	yeah
[20:04:06] <RobH>	taking care of it now
[20:07:22] <RobH>	bleh, its gonna take awhile to run on the larger wikis
[20:07:39] <AaronSchulz>	not a problem :)
[20:08:11] <RobH>	im more worried about the load it causes, some of them show wiating on database servers
[20:08:17] <RobH>	they eventually move on, but it worries me
[20:08:52] *RobH 	changes to running it manually, shell scripts are nice, but this could go horribly wrong ;]
[20:09:19] <RobH>	looping the entire flaggedrevs db file may be a bit on the dangerous side =P
[20:10:19] <AaronSchulz>	robH: while you are at, can you check out http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/archives/patch-fpc_level.sql?revision=48482&view=markup&sortby=date ?
[20:10:26] <AaronSchulz>	that should be very fast
[20:11:23] *RobH 	fears direct database schema changes
[20:11:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) new message when edit the local page of shared file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18062 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[20:12:46] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Remove obsolete settings from cluster config files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18061  summary; +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:13:20] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Remove obsolete settings from cluster config files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18061  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:20:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10vasilvv)
[20:25:52] <RobH>	AaronSchulz: done with the table alteration
[20:26:04] <AaronSchulz>	tx
[20:26:24] <RobH>	quite welcome
[20:27:11] <RobH>	Im going to spin the other up in a loop on a screen, it will take awhile to finish all of them
[20:33:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Review/Enable GlobalUsage extension to supplement/replace CheckUsage toolserver tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18059  (10brion)
[20:41:07] <BeBoo_>	what should i do if i'm updating? i tried to install and use previous LocalSettings file but i got an error saying it couldn't include ParserFunctions.php or something along those lines. should I just run thru the install again?
[20:41:12] <BeBoo_>	with the new version
[20:47:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable text layer extraction from djvu on Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18046  (10thomasV1)
[20:54:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable text layer extraction from djvu on Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18046  (10brion)
[20:55:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  (10subfader)
[20:55:42] <b0nn>	Hi, I'm trying to figure out how to put a link in my wiki, that links to a link lower in the page (in the references section)
[20:57:32] <ThomasV_>	brion : what do you mean by "a separate storage architecture " ?
[20:59:27] <Simetrical>	Ooh, there's a fun fight going on at bug 15842.
[20:59:42] <Simetrical>	Devs vs. users, who will win?
[20:59:49] *Simetrical 	goes to see if he can join in on the devs' side
[20:59:56] <Simetrical>	b0nn, [[#Section name]]
[21:01:00] <ThomasV_>	Simetrical: at least try to not call me 'stupid' 
[21:02:23] <RobH>	i like comment 20
[21:02:27] <RobH>	but dont tell brion i took his side.
[21:02:43] <Simetrical>	ThomasV_, no, it's the other side I'm calling stupid, don't worry.  ;)
[21:03:32] <ThomasV_>	<3
[21:05:17] <RobH>	...why delete redirects....
[21:05:28] <RobH>	i can see running a bot to simplifiy it...
[21:05:35] <RobH>	actually, i revoke the question and abstain from involvement.
[21:06:06] <Mike_lifeguard>	good idea
[21:06:23] <RobH>	i have them on occasion, do not get used to them though ;]
[21:10:07] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48611 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/installfiles/extensions/ (174 files in 27 dirs): 
[21:10:07] <CIA-60>	Add 10 more extension installers created by gerard. :-)
[21:10:07] <CIA-60>	(At this rate, this is actually a doable job! :-D )
[21:11:53] <b0nn>	Simetrical: thanks :)
[21:12:35] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Install ConfirmAccount extension on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13782  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[21:13:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wpHideName should hide the username more effectively - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17831  (10mikelifeguard)
[21:16:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:17:15] *Simetrical 	realizes he has the same two-letter initials as werdna 
[21:17:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10Platonides)
[21:18:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10innocentkiller)
[21:20:02] <RobH>	thus the war continues
[21:21:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:22:15] <^demon>	RobH: The spamlist is getting large.
[21:22:33] <RobH>	there is no way in hell i would include myself as CC on that bug.
[21:23:44] *RobH 	is done working.  left4dead zombie game, here I come
[21:25:50] <ahmed-araby>	hi all , I'm using media wiki for arabic , wiki
[21:26:08] <ahmed-araby>	but the problem is that arabic is Right-to-Left
[21:26:28] <Splarka>	heyyy brion, I took it as a challenge: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki?limit=400&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fphase3   and in a mozilla/ff browser: javascript:void(importScript('User:Splarka/scapmap.js')); 
[21:28:09] <Simetrical>	ahmed-araby, MediaWiki supports RTL text.  See, e.g.: http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/
[21:29:04] <ahmed-araby>	Simetrical:must I select that in the installation or the user can change that from his preferences ?
[21:29:32] <^demon>	Splarka: 17:20 *** brion quit ()
[21:29:36] <Simetrical>	ahmed-araby, you can set the content language in LocalSettings.php.  If you set it to "ar" or another RTL language, the wiki will be right-to-left.
[21:29:54] <VasilievVV>	^demon: why wouldn't image redirects be tracked in redirect table as usual redirects are?
[21:30:10] <ahmed-araby>	Simetrical:thanks I think that I got the idea
[21:30:28] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Of course they should. 
[21:30:31] <Splarka>	bah, again
[21:30:36] *Splarka 	stalks
[21:30:37] <Simetrical>	!wg LanguageCode
[21:30:37] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLanguageCode
[21:31:56] <^demon>	!b 17575 | VasilievVV
[21:31:56] --mwbot--	VasilievVV: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17575
[21:32:11] <CIA-60>	03rainman * r48612 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/build: Error in build script makes it not write the status file correctly (needed for incremental updates)
[21:32:24] <^demon>	I've been thinking of moving redirect logic out of Article/ImagePage/FileRepo entirely and making it more general.
[21:32:31] <VasilievVV>	^demon: sounds like WONTFIX
[21:33:34] <^demon>	Why? 
[21:33:41] <VasilievVV>	^demon: because file redirects handling in local, shared DB and API are quite different
[21:34:27] <^demon>	Redirect handling doesn't work at all at the API level.
[21:34:31] <Simetrical>	There are still surely a lot of similarities.
[21:34:39] <Simetrical>	This sounds like a good place for abstraction and subclassing.
[21:34:48] <Splarka>	&redirects automatically resolves redirects in the API in many modules
[21:34:48] <Simetrical>	(not that I've ever looked at any of the code :) )
[21:34:56] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: not really
[21:35:04] <^demon>	And yet it loads the file metadata in ImagePage. It's fully capable of redirecting, it just isn't allowed to.
[21:35:45] <^demon>	When I redirect some local image to an api image, it puts all the redirect data in the redirect table, it pulls all of the image's info on page load (I've debugged it), and yet it just wont redirect.
[21:35:49] <^demon>	It makes no sense.
[21:37:52] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=links&indexpageids&format=jsonfm&titles=File:0000b69a0c8r.jpg  vs http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=links&indexpageids&format=jsonfm&titles=File:0000b69a0c8r.jpg&redirects
[21:38:28] <VasilievVV>	^demon: of course, cross-repo redirects are forbidden. But handling image redirects which are in foreign repo works differently than in local repo
[21:39:09] <^demon>	VasilievVV: But _why_. I've yet to understand why I can't place a local redirect to a foreign image.
[21:39:16] <^demon>	Why _shouldn't_ that be allowed.
[21:39:58] <ThomasV_>	Mike_lifeguard: I just pointed a potential problem. To tell me that assumptions I made years ago are 'stupid' is neither constructive nor acceptable. Especially if you have no knowledge of the problem.s.
[21:40:40] <Simetrical>	And especially if any person in their right mind should be expected to assume that URLs on a properly-run site don't break.
[21:40:45] <Simetrical>	Which they should.
[21:40:46] <VasilievVV>	^demon: hmmm... They should. I'll try to implement them soon
[21:40:57] <Simetrical>	But somehow groupthink has made this non-obvious to Commons admins.
[21:40:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	I don't know of any assumption, made by you, which I have called 'stupid'.
[21:41:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10Platonides)
[21:41:28] <Simetrical>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842#c11
[21:41:32] <Simetrical>	Mike_lifeguard, ^^
[21:41:38] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: that's still false if they are linking to images in <img> tag in other way then using Special:Filepath
[21:41:41] <^demon>	VasilievVV: That's been my complaint all along :) I've been spending a lot of time poking it off and on, something's just not quite right. We load all of the remote data and save it in the redirect table. We just prevent the redirect from being followed for some (strange) reason.
[21:41:56] <Simetrical>	VasilievVV, O RLY?  Are those links ever expected to break?
[21:42:15] <Simetrical>	We don't want too many people using Special:FilePath anyway, it has to invoke PHP . . .
[21:42:19] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: they weren't. We just haven't found any solution on fixing them
[21:42:20] <Mike_lifeguard>	Simetrical: I know what I wrote, and what I did not say is that any assumptions of ThomasV_ were stupid.
[21:42:41] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Migrate redirect logic out of Article/ImagePage/FileRepo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17575  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[21:42:41] <Simetrical>	Mike_lifeguard, unless he wrote the templates you're referring to, right?
[21:42:48] <VasilievVV>	^demon: I didn't initially because of some architectural problems, AFAIR
[21:43:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	Sure, but it wasn't identified explicitly as him.
[21:43:13] <ThomasV_>	these are not templates; it is a naming convention
[21:43:27] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Understandable. It should be pretty feasible. I do think ImagePage loads a bit more data than is needed sometimes, but that's unrelated.
[21:43:29] <Mike_lifeguard>	The template I was referring to (& there may be others) were written by other people, and I've told them it was stupid on several occasions.
[21:44:21] <ThomasV_>	all right, but in that case your (aggressive) comment was offtopic
[21:45:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	If you say so
[21:46:41] <Simetrical>	Any deliberate breaking of links without compelling reason is a violation of the architectural principles of the World Wide Web and a disservice to all of Commons' many, many non-Wikimedia users.
[21:46:49] <Simetrical>	Which apparently Commons admins don't know and/or don't care about.
[21:47:10] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: they are selfish
[21:47:32] <Simetrical>	No, they just don't think things through with the proper perspective.
[21:47:34] <VasilievVV>	'cause they are sort of metapedian. Metapedian are always sort of selfish
[21:47:44] <Simetrical>	People tend to lose sight of the long-term purpose of the project in favor of short-term metrics.
[21:47:48] <Simetrical>	Which may or may not be selfish.
[21:48:10] <Simetrical>	Like: "Let's introduce feature X to reduce vandalism!" . . . without thinking much about how many legitimate contributions it will discourage.
[21:49:08] <VasilievVV>	Or "No that freaking FlaggedRevs feature! They are censoring my edits!"
[21:49:38] <Mike_lifeguard>	Simetrical: BTW, who is this person that wants to go out of their way to make life harder for re-users?
[21:49:59] <^demon>	chrisipk
[21:50:01] <Splarka>	hypothetical: user uploads file like P1080007.JPG to commons (or something indescriptive that isn't title blacklisted), it is moved within 10 seconds to "Stop sign showing bullet hole vandalism in Topeka, Kansas.jpg". Redirect required or no?
[21:50:18] <^demon>	Splarka: No.
[21:50:18] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: do you know what was one of the strongest arguments against new page patrolling? "It violates WP:AGF assuming that non-sysops edits may be bad"
[21:50:28] <Splarka>	^demon: then it is just a question of time
[21:50:58] <Splarka>	somewhere between 1 second and 1 year, possibly factored in by feedback from the uploader.. like if they say "hey, thanks for fixing my filename", or never come to commons again
[21:50:58] <^demon>	Splarka: Common sense would be amazing right here.
[21:51:12] <Splarka>	common sense is not a subset of commons
[21:51:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'm quite sure that person is hypothetical. At the very least, I've never come across them.
[21:51:25] <Splarka>	in fact, the venn diagram would be pretty unoverlappy
[22:00:21] <Subfader>	How can I properly hide certain user preferences instead of removing them from the source code? I'd do via Common.css but I dunno how to hide the labels.
[22:01:54] <Splarka>	depends on which, you can use some CSS2 for <label>
[22:01:56] <Splarka>	give an example?
[22:02:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parse <noinclude>s and such from scary transcluded pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12401  +comment (10jlerner)
[22:02:51] <Subfader>	<label for="showtoc">
[22:03:28] <Splarka>	<div class='toggle'><input type='checkbox' value='1' id="showtoc" name="wpOpshowtoc" checked="checked" /> <span class='toggletext'><label for="showtoc">Show table of contents (for pages with more than 3 headings)</label></span></div>
[22:03:48] <Splarka>	#showtoc, label[for="showtoc"] {display:none;}
[22:04:16] <Subfader>	OH. I remember I did that before and it was complicated :)
[22:04:21] <Subfader>	Cheers
[22:04:23] <Splarka>	that is CSS2 and won't work in IE6
[22:04:27] <Simetrical>	Won't work in IE.
[22:04:29] <Splarka>	see: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#selectors
[22:04:32] <Simetrical>	At least IE6.
[22:04:38] <Splarka>	but IE sucks, so who cares
[22:05:27] <Subfader>	I have a IE warning for IE users that IE sucks big time ;)
[22:06:03] <Subfader>	could add "We're happy all letters are displayed in the correct order in IE"
[22:06:36] <Splarka>	what version first properly supported inline BIDI?
[22:07:04] <Splarka>	U202A-U202E
[22:08:07] <Splarka>	Simetrical: was there a way to override not just default preferences, but actual set preferences? in general that is, not just exceptions like skin choices
[22:08:13] <CIA-60>	03mrzman * r48613 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Follow up to r47876, make spamregex check on move summary use $wgSummarySpamRegex
[22:09:31] <Dr_Mike>	MrZ-man: Any change you want to make that also look at the blacklist?
[22:10:03] <Simetrical>	Splarka, maintenance script run every 5 minutes?
[22:10:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:10:39] <MrZ-man>	Dr_Mike: I think there's a bug open about that, but its probably not a 1 line change like that last commit
[22:11:28] <Dr_Mike>	Yeah, there is - nevermind then
[22:12:47] <Danny_B>	TimStarling: you're the author of |link=...| feature in [[File:...]] syntax, right?
[22:13:25] <TimStarling>	yes
[22:13:29] <TimStarling>	I think I called it click though
[22:14:33] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/41727
[22:15:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable image renaming on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15842  (10mikelifeguard)
[22:17:25] <BeBoo_>	can anyone point me to the required file/dir permissions of the wiki dir?
[22:37:50] <Sylvanus>	Hello
[22:38:05] <Sylvanus>	I've got a question: Can I use sub pages in the Mediawiki Namespace?
[22:38:31] <Reedy>	If you enable it. yeah
[22:38:35] <Reedy>	!subpages | Sylvanus
[22:38:35] --mwbot--	Sylvanus: By default some namespaces have subpages enabled and others don't. You can enable or disable them using $wgNamespacesWithSubpages in LocalSettings.php. <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespacesWithSubpages>
[22:38:40] <Sylvanus>	when I have a page called MediaWiki:foo/bar, wfMsg("foo/bar") fails even when enabled sub pages.
[22:39:29] <Sylvanus>	$wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_MEDIAWIKI] = true;
[22:39:34] <Sylvanus>	I've got that in my LocalSettings.php
[22:39:45] <Splarka>	subpaging has special meaning in MW namespace
[22:39:53] <Sylvanus>	but wfMsg("foo/bar") still fails with giving out the string "&lt;foo/bar&gt;"
[22:39:55] <Splarka>	it is used for on-wiki localisation
[22:40:03] <Sylvanus>	Yeah, I've heard from that
[22:40:10] <Splarka>	so you can't use it with wfMsg like that
[22:40:28] <Sylvanus>	hm
[22:40:42] <Splarka>	but you can for stuff like breadcrumbs, relative links, and {{SUBPAGENAME}} / {{BASEPAGENAME}} (not much use there)
[22:40:59] <Sylvanus>	but I'd like to do that very much :(
[22:41:05] <Splarka>	well, ya can't
[22:41:11] <Splarka>	dash delimiting is usually done
[22:41:21] <Splarka>	foo-bar, foo-baz, etc
[22:41:30] <Sylvanus>	ah, okay
[22:42:24] <Sylvanus>	And there is no way to get that a bit "hacky" like, e.g. wfMsgInLanguage("foo", "bar")
[22:44:30] <Splarka>	well, you can do that, several sites do that with MediaWiki:Licenses
[22:44:55] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Licenses
[22:45:39] <Splarka>	they add links to the upload form like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?uselang=ownwork which transforms the Licenses to MediaWiki:Licenses/ownwork
[22:46:06] <Sylvanus>	Well, how do they implement that?
[22:46:06] <Splarka>	(that particular hack requires Licenses be added to $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg as it isn't usually translated)
[22:46:34] <Splarka>	by adding it to $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg and creating MediaWiki:Licenses/ownwork, that's it
[22:46:51] <Splarka>	and then of course, using &uselang=ownwork as a URI parameter
[22:47:06] <Sylvanus>	yeah
[22:47:31] <Splarka>	maybe if you described your requirements... ^_^
[22:47:42] <Sylvanus>	so I simply add a line $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg[] = 'foo'; at the start of my extension and everything should work
[22:47:50] <Sylvanus>	I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I was looking for :-)
[22:48:02] <Splarka>	well, no, $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg is for specific cases...
[22:48:11] <Splarka>	some messages are translated in some circumstances and not others
[22:48:17] <Splarka>	like for example MediaWiki:Mainpage
[22:48:30] <Splarka>	that is translated in the sidebar when used as the text of a link, but not as the destination of a link
[22:48:55] <Sylvanus>	yes, but I can abuse it like the en.wikipedia people do it for their licenses.
[22:48:58] <Splarka>	and isn't translated for the logo's lin destination
[22:49:06] <Splarka>	so it depends on how you call your message
[22:51:12] <Splarka>	wfMsgForContent vs wfMsg
[22:51:20] <Splarka>	so $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg will not help you really
[22:51:52] <Sylvanus>	erhm
[22:52:19] <Sylvanus>	so I can't siymple add (in my example mediawiki:foo/bar) "foo" to $wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg and then call wfMsg("foo/bar")?
[22:52:34] <Splarka>	$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg will not help you really
[22:53:16] <Splarka>	I mentioned it because the Licenses hack above requires it
[22:53:59] <Splarka>	look, if you want to get MediaWiki:Foo/bar to show, use wfMsg("foo") and call the page with &uselang=bar
[22:54:20] <Danny_B>	TimStarling: seems it's buggy - if you put link=s:help:foo on image on say w:test and help:foo does not exist on w: then whatlinkshere/help:foo shows [[test]] although it should not, because it links to the other project (s:) and not locally
[22:54:44] <Sylvanus>	hmkey
[22:55:38] <Danny_B>	TimStarling: check eg. http://cs.wikisource.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1ln%C3%AD:Whatlinkshere/N%C3%A1rodn%C3%AD_knihovna_%C4%8Cesk%C3%A9_republiky (it's redlink) and check the template - it has image linking to wikipedia's article with such name
[22:55:39] <Splarka>	there is no message called "Foo/bar" in the message cache (if I understand it right), so there is no way to call it
[22:55:39] <ksjkskhks>	!ops
[22:55:39] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "ops". You might try: !anonnotice !oversight 
[22:55:58] <ksjkskhks>	!oversight
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[22:56:21] <Danny_B>	!ask | ksjkskhks
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[22:56:21] <ksjkskhks>	!anonnotice
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[22:56:23] <Splarka>	Danny_B: for a while it registered links to Media as ns--2, and Special as ns--1, heh
[22:56:50] <Splarka>	ksjkskhks: #mwbot please
[22:57:16] <ksjkskhks>	!sitenotice
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[22:57:37] <Sylvanus>	Splarka, okay, so I have to call my message Mediawiki:foo-bar instead of foo/bar. That's a bit ugly, but it works of course. On the other hand, I could just implement my own wfMsg() function, using another namespace (MyExtensionConfiguration:foo/bar). But I think that's somewhat oversized...
[22:57:38] <Splarka>	ksjkskhks: #mwbot or private message mwbot please
[22:58:14] <Splarka>	Sylvanus: I don't think you could use the message cache in that case (or you'd have to do it hackily), and it would conflict with current localisation naming schemes
[22:59:35] <Sylvanus>	Splarka, but I'm using the message cache for my configuration/template like data, so that would not bother, anyway.
[23:00:09] <Splarka>	for example:
[23:00:11] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js/search.js&ctype=text%2Fjavascript&action=raw
[23:00:26] <Splarka>	this is an improper subpage in the MediaWiki namespace on en.wp, called via action=raw, which works
[23:00:43] <Splarka>	but add &usemsgcache and you get:
[23:00:46] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js/search.js&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text%2Fjavascript&action=raw
[23:01:12] <Splarka>	because it sees search.js as a language variant
[23:01:14] <Splarka>	like so: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text%2Fjavascript&action=raw&uselang=search.js
[23:01:37] <Sylvanus>	well, okay
[23:01:41] <Splarka>	so you could make your own wfMsg that saw 'bar' as a language variant, but that's silly
[23:01:46] <Splarka>	just use dashes
[23:01:57] <Sylvanus>	but I want to fetch these messages internally
[23:02:09] <Sylvanus>	yeah, using dashes would be the most intelligent solution.
[23:02:18] <Splarka>	'group-bot-member'           => 'Bot',
[23:02:18] <Splarka>	'group-sysop-member'         => 'Administrator',
[23:03:12] <Splarka>	new group names can be added and customized, and if a corresponding message exists, such as by creating MediaWiki:group-whatever-member then that word is used, and it can be translated MediaWiki:group-whatever-member/fr /de /zh etc
[23:03:41] <Splarka>	same for messages like accesskey-ca-nstab-main and tooltip-ca-nstab-main and such
[23:04:08] <Splarka>	and domas just loves the �s wasted fetching a hundred of those on every page load
[23:04:16] *Splarka 	pounces on brion
[23:04:57] *charitwo 	eats CIA-60
[23:04:57] *CIA-60 	tastes crunchy
[23:06:01] <Splarka>	<Splarka> heyyy brion, I took it as a challenge: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki?limit=400&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fphase3   and in a mozilla/ff browser: javascript:void(importScript('User:Splarka/scapmap.js')); 
[23:06:29] <Subfader>	What the heck are " 'jump to' accessibility links"?
[23:07:20] <BeBoo_>	can anyone point me to the required file/dir permissions of the wiki dir?
[23:07:28] <Splarka>	Subfader: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar?useskin=myskin
[23:07:49] <Splarka>	monobook hides them as it uses columns, but in the raw skin view #column-one is at the bottom of the page
[23:07:58] <Subfader>	ah ok cos it's nowhere explained on mediawiki searching showjumplinks
[23:08:25] <Splarka>	this is partly done so that google and other search engines won't index search and navigation stuff as the default summary
[23:08:55] <Subfader>	smart
[23:09:23] <Splarka>	other things are hidden in monobook and shown in print, like siteSub and retrieved from
[23:10:06] <Subfader>	removing the option to change the default nontheless. actaully hiding the complete Misc section and changing all users settings back to the defaults since there is no way provided to disable single settings
[23:11:28] <Splarka>	sheesh, might as well have a link "I want to think for myself and make my own decisions" in preferences, that blocks the user and removes any group rights
[23:11:28] <Subfader>	if even the admin doesn't know what the setting does why should the user be bothered with it ;) 
[23:11:40] <Splarka>	other skins may use it
[23:12:00] <Subfader>	not every wiki is wikipedia
[23:12:15] <Splarka>	it is a bad precidence to let one admin's preferences overrule the users private preferences for a MediaWiki install
[23:12:22] <Splarka>	like say 'enhanced recent changes', do you use it?
[23:12:44] <Splarka>	some people love it, some hate it, some can't use it, but you shouldn't force it on every one, nor take it away from everyone
[23:13:10] <Subfader>	rarely someone set sth there. but those played around e.g. wit the external editor didn't know what they do and just saved their funky new settings
[23:14:11] <Subfader>	Misc lists a lot of setting my users don't need to be bothered with. froma  usabilty point of viuew this is better FOR MY wiki. cos my users have no clue about wikis.
[23:14:57] <Subfader>	showhiddencats may let them think i hide copntent by default and they can discover new stuff  this way
[23:16:15] <Subfader>	i'm not bitching the dev's work but imo there should be a way to disable single settings if the admin thinks has no use at all.
[23:17:14] <Subfader>	no article in my wiki has more than 2 headlines so i don't the showtoc or editsection setting.
[23:17:54] <Subfader>	and so on. not every wiki is wikipedia. would be good if more devs understand that. **runs**  :)
[23:18:39] <Splarka>	but every MediaWiki is pretty much MediaWiki, some things are intrinsic
[23:19:46] <Splarka>	always annoying to go to a heavily-customized monobook fork and find all the accesskeys gone and simple things like "recent changes" obfuscated into a dropdown list at the bottom of the page in a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory and titled "activity"
[23:19:52] <Subfader>	yes but imo i have a point in my request for disabling single settings properly instead of changing source code. 
[23:21:56] <Subfader>	it would help if the divs around the settings had an id so the whole bunch (input, label, spans) can be hidden via proper displa:non in Common.css
[23:22:27] <Subfader>	if admin avoidy typos
[23:23:28] <Marshall_>	hello everyone
[23:24:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Review/Enable GlobalUsage extension to supplement/replace CheckUsage toolserver tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18059  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[23:24:36] <Subfader>	if you say why force the users with defaults, you could also argue the other way around: why force every wiki admin to bother his users with all of the mediawiki prefs in his UNIQUE wiki.
[23:32:59] <Marshall_>	well goodbye
[23:33:27] <ksjkskhks>	THE_ORACLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:47:25] <rofldan8>	I was referred here by a member of #wikipedia-en-help because I do have a question about MediaWiki.
[23:47:30] <rofldan8>	Any takers?
[23:48:02] <Subfader>	just ask
[23:48:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	rofldan8: It's probably best if you simply ask your question. If someone can answer it they will do so.
[23:48:14] <rofldan8>	Yeah, very sorry.
[23:48:27] <rofldan8>	I've been trying to locate information on the TransWiki project
[23:48:34] *Splarka 	wonders if many channels actually have a policy of "you must ask permission to ask"
[23:48:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: But how do you get permission to ask for permission?! :o
[23:49:01] <rofldan8>	--I've been trying to setup a user information thing such as what appears on a wikipedia biography page
[23:49:15] <rofldan8>	The code, however, requires a template which utilizes this TransWiki extension
[23:50:13] <rofldan8>	What I pretty much need assistance with is how to get the code working D:
[23:50:21] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48614 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 
[23:50:21] <CIA-60>	a few bug fixes
[23:50:21] <CIA-60>	style updates
[23:50:43] <Splarka>	transwiki as in Special:Import or scary transclusions?
[23:50:46] <ksjkskhks>	code:legoworld29.
[23:51:04] <ksjkskhks>	*legoworld2009
[23:51:19] <rofldan8>	Something like that, Splarka
[23:51:24] <Splarka>	which?
[23:51:24] <rofldan8>	My knowledge is somewhat limited
[23:51:38] <rofldan8>	Well, it does reference that.
[23:51:40] *Splarka 	points flyingparchment to ksjkskhks's contributions in the scrollback
[23:52:09] <rofldan8>	I'm not entirely sure. I guess you could say... I'm kinda new to MediaWiki software on the admin side of things?
[23:52:41] <kmg>	Is there a way of having the current system date & time displayed on a wiki page? IE, is there some form of, say, $DATE parameter?
[23:52:50] <Splarka>	rofldan8: the two are almost completely unrelated, are you talking about interwiki templates (similar to shared image repositories) which means, calling a template from another wiki.... or importing pages from interwiki sources, which means making a local copy of a remote page/article?
[23:53:20] <Splarka>	kmg: there are some variables (magic words), that do this, but the output is cached if caching is available
[23:53:23] <rofldan8>	Well, I'm sorry if I sound like a total noob(expl. coming)
[23:53:29] <Splarka>	!magicwords | kmg
[23:53:29] --mwbot--	kmg: For more information about creating magic words and their inner workings, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words>. For a list of magic words, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words>.
[23:53:39] <Splarka>	like {{CURRENTTIME}}
[23:53:52] <kmg>	ok, thx for the help
[23:54:03] <rofldan8>	What I'm trying to say is that I'm trying to utilize a Wikipedia template such as infobox
[23:54:25] <rofldan8>	There's an extension called tidy which I'm not sure where to find or download?
[23:54:57] <Splarka>	ahh, then maybe you don't mean TransWiki at all
[23:55:17] <Splarka>	what version of MediaWiki do you have?
[23:55:19] <rofldan8>	How I even got here in the first place
[23:55:20] <rofldan8>	"MediaWikis the WP:TRAN has a version of Infobox that has been modified to work on other MediaWikis."
[23:55:29] <rofldan8>	In their official article on Wikipedia about Template:Infobox
[23:55:39] <rofldan8>	I can tell you that
[23:55:42] <Splarka>	mmm, confusion
[23:56:21] <Splarka>	tidy isn't really needed as much as it used to be, since the new preprocessor
[23:57:13] <Splarka>	in 1.11 it is needed for most infoboxes, in 1.12 you can use the new preprocessor, and IIRC it is the only choice in newer versions
[23:57:43] <Splarka>	what it does, mostly, in infoboxes and templates in general:
[23:57:54] <Splarka>	{{opendiv}}foo{{closediv}} where the two templates are <div> and </div>...
[23:58:01] <Splarka>	without tidy, or in the old parser: <div></div>foo&lt;/div&gt;
[23:58:13] <Splarka>	because the html sanitizer would check html pre-expansion
[23:58:34] <Splarka>	with tidy or with the new parser: <div>foo</div>  which is expected behavior
[23:58:55] <Splarka>	rofldan8: so what version of MediaWiki are you working with? check Special:Version
[23:59:57] <ksjkskhks>	man.