[00:00:12] <rofldan8>	1.14.0
[00:01:55] <Splarka>	rofldan8: I don't think you need tidy just to use infoboxes then (TimStarling could tell you more details on that)
[00:02:59] <TimStarling>	it should work without it, assuming the infoboxes aren't totally broken
[00:03:03] <ksjkskhks>	k
[00:03:06] <ksjkskhks>	k
[00:03:33] <ksjkskhks>	kk
[00:04:06] <ksjkskhks>	hello?
[00:04:30] <ksjkskhks>	hello?
[00:05:36] <Splarka>	Tim: when was the oldPP option removed?
[00:07:47] <p858snake>	wait has anyone checked to see if file moving/renaming ect breakes the video/audio players?
[00:11:02] *Splarka 	pokles brion
[00:12:58] <p858snake>	o.0 bugzilla is sending me bug report comments are differnt intervals, i have like #15, #33, #31..... for that "Enable image renaming on...." bug
[00:14:20] <Platonides>	I see them ordered
[00:17:45] <p858snake>	http://localhostr.com/files/c0ed8c/Bug%20Emails.png
[00:26:54] <luna6>	in the bottom gnome panel how do you get same applications grouped together like in KDE ?
[00:27:25] <luna6>	like if there is three instances of Firefox ...they would be shown as only one icon..and hovering over it shows vertical view of the three firefox instances?
[00:28:00] <luna6>	oops wrong channel :)
[00:28:09] <luna6>	any gnome users might know the answer anyways? :)
[00:28:33] <Simetrical>	It seems to do it automatically for me if you have too many.
[00:28:39] <Simetrical>	But #gnome is probably a better place to ask.
[00:28:56] <luna6>	yeah...i meant to ask in that channel :)
[00:29:03] <luna6>	sorry about the off topic question
[00:42:06] <chzz>	Q how to enable parserfunctions
[00:43:45] <Simetrical>	!parserfunctions | chzz 
[00:43:45] --mwbot--	chzz: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[00:44:51] <chzz>	ty
[00:49:25] <chzz>	Q how to update from 1.17 to latest ver?
[00:49:42] <Simetrical>	chzz, a time machine might be useful.
[00:49:48] <chzz>	:-)
[00:49:52] <Simetrical>	(current trunk is 1.15alpha)
[00:50:16] <chzz>	1.14 
[00:50:26] <chzz>	but...hang on a sec.
[00:50:42] <Simetrical>	1.14.0 is the latest stable version.
[00:51:07] <chzz>	In parserfunctions, it says "The ParserFunctions extension requires
[00:51:07] <chzz>	    * MediaWiki 1.7.0 or above
[00:51:07] <chzz>	???
[00:51:11] <chzz>	izzit wrong?
[00:51:15] <Prodego>	chzz: 1.7
[00:51:18] <Splarka>	1.14 > 1.7
[00:51:26] <Prodego>	14 > 7
[00:51:32] <Simetrical>	1.14 != 1.1.4
[00:51:38] <Simetrical>	(in case it's not clear yet ;) )
[00:51:44] <Splarka>	1.7 == 1.07
[00:51:46] <chzz>	nuberwang
[00:52:05] <Splarka>	if 1.14 isn't enough for you: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN
[00:52:09] <Splarka>	but 1.14 is fine for parserfunctions
[00:52:14] <chzz>	kthx
[00:52:18] <TimStarling>	see, I told you we should have gone from 1.9 to 2.0
[00:52:29] <Splarka>	nah, base36
[00:52:36] <TimStarling>	that's the second time I've seen that complaint on this channel
[00:52:37] <Splarka>	1.d.0
[00:52:49] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, it's like the fifth time I've seen it.
[00:53:06] <Simetrical>	We should have just called the old versions 1.07 and so on, maybe.
[00:53:10] <Simetrical>	Too late for that, though.
[00:53:16] <brion>	wait until 1.100.0
[00:53:18] <TimStarling>	ok, well let's go to 2.0 next release then
[00:53:24] <TimStarling>	that'll fix it
[00:53:35] <Simetrical>	Write an awesome new feature to justify it.
[00:53:42] <TimStarling>	yeah right
[00:53:51] <flyingparchment>	tim only writes crappy new features nowadays
[00:53:52] <p858snake>	but 1.101.4 would be such much cooler >.>
[00:53:54] <flyingparchment>	no money left for the awesome ones
[00:54:09] <Simetrical>	p858snake, if we keep going like that, we could have a MW version that's a valid IP address!
[00:54:10] <TimStarling>	I can only half write features before multiple people give me projects which they think are more important
[00:54:11] <Splarka>	would storing compressed diffs for revisions justify it?
[00:54:29] <brion>	hehe
[00:54:30] <Simetrical>	Splarka, no, because almost everyone is already using ordinary uncompressed revisions anyway.
[00:54:33] <Simetrical>	(Right?)
[00:54:45] <brion>	Splarka: we'd need something user-visible like ditching monobook ;)
[00:54:56] <p858snake>	Simetrical: maybe if we could get it to the ip of the wikimedia servers..... >.>
[00:55:07] <TimStarling>	I'll just change the monobook colour scheme
[00:55:07] <chzz>	Give the releases funky names, like ubuntu
[00:55:20] <flyingparchment>	chzz: i think the word you're looking for is 'crappy'
[00:55:20] <TimStarling>	put in some blue backgrounds, like modern
[00:55:27] <TimStarling>	then it can be 2.0
[00:55:32] *Simetrical 	votes for Lecherous Llama
[00:55:42] <chzz>	well, a name makes it easier to talk about than '1.1.23123.1' etc. Maybe.
[00:55:43] <Splarka>	or change the name
[00:55:47] <Splarka>	PediaWiki
[00:55:52] <Simetrical>	PedoWiki
[00:55:55] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: Ditzy Developer
[00:56:00] <flyingparchment>	Slutty Sysadmin
[00:56:11] <Simetrical>	Mediocre Marmoset
[00:56:19] <flyingparchment>	Useless User
[00:56:20] <Simetrical>	Petulant Panda
[00:56:20] <Prodego>	Microsoft Wikidows
[00:56:20] <chzz>	Any name, doesn't matter. Then, like, "I'm using banana, and I can't use templates'
[00:56:21] <flyingparchment>	(hey, i like that one)
[00:56:41] <Simetrical>	Sadly, I think Mark Shuttleworth declares the new names by fiat, so our brilliant input is unlikely to be heeded.
[00:57:13] <Simetrical>	I figure that if we use the current version numbering for long enough, people will get used to it.
[00:57:23] <Simetrical>	It worked for Linux, GNOME, Apache, . . .
[00:57:45] <flyingparchment>	if only linux, gnome or apache worked
[00:58:18] <Simetrical>	I'm pretty sure everyone here has used at least two of the three in the last hour, one way or another, so I'd call that working.
[00:59:23] <Simetrical>	I know, we should be like Solaris and just use huge numbers for the first part.  Next release should be MediaWiki 15, that will solve all problems.
[00:59:51] <flyingparchment>	the solaris marketing releases are pretty stupid
[00:59:53] <TimStarling>	these users who are complaining obviously haven't encountered linux or gnome version numbering
[01:00:06] <flyingparchment>	they just thought that since it's been 2.x for the last 15 years, people would assume it wasn't progressing
[01:00:14] <TimStarling>	a new user is never going to be "used to" anything, they can only from their experiences
[01:00:20] <Simetrical>	We could be like Microsoft, and randomly alternate between non-sequential numbers, random stupid words, and meaningless two-letter acronyms.
[01:00:42] <TimStarling>	and most people have more experience with decimal arithmetic than software version numbering
[01:00:54] <flyingparchment>	(fun fact: SunOS 4.1.4 was Solaris 1.1.2... that's not confusing at all!)
[01:01:08] <Simetrical>	Or we could be like video card vendors, and call the next release MediaWiki 15042 GLT MX5.  And the release after that can be 214 QXZ+.
[01:01:18] <Simetrical>	Then we can progress to 955 NTL Ultra.
[01:01:30] <anomie>	But how often does a decimal number have two (or more) decimal points?
[01:01:55] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, yes, but eventually, if nobody ever talks about the pre-1.10 versions anymore, people will be comparing two-digit minor versions and the order will be clear.
[01:02:01] <Simetrical>	anomie, ours don't.
[01:02:07] <anomie>	1.14.0?
[01:02:07] <Simetrical>	1.14 has one decimal point.
[01:02:52] <Simetrical>	I think the best versioning scheme is Ubuntu's numbered scheme.  Y.MM.
[01:03:12] <brion>	Simetrical: that's gonna look weird in 91 years
[01:03:14] <Simetrical>	If more people used that, we could actually compare version numbers between different software to some extent.
[01:03:23] <brion>	do they release 100.04 or 2100.04?
[01:03:33] <brion>	can't well do 00.04 :)
[01:03:33] <Simetrical>	100.04 would make the most sense.
[01:03:53] <Simetrical>	. . . Most software changes its version numbering scheme more often than once every 91 years, though.
[01:04:02] <Simetrical>	Especially since, you know, software hasn't existed that long.
[01:04:06] <brion>	and then in y3k, is it 999.10 -> 1000.04 or 3000.04?
[01:04:10] <Simetrical>	Unless you count Ada Lovelace or something.
[01:04:16] <Simetrical>	Dude, just do it sequentially.
[01:04:26] <brion>	Build 28973897489378765563552355376785869969836255364745
[01:04:35] <brion>	yeah that's memorable
[01:05:44] <Simetrical>	Do you also compile your C with 128-bit time_t just in case you want to run your program in the year 9223372036854775808?
[01:05:47] <p858snake>	but it worked in 28973897489378765552552355376785869969836255364745
[01:05:50] <p858snake>	>.>
[01:06:11] <brion>	safety first!
[01:06:21] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: the problem with ubuntu's method is it doesn't let you release new versions of the non-current version
[01:06:33] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, you mean like 8.04.1?
[01:06:38] <flyingparchment>	unless you do 2009.05.3, which is just... even more confusing
[01:06:45] <Simetrical>	That's what they do.
[01:06:57] <flyingparchment>	so 8.04.1 was released on 1st of april?
[01:07:14] <Simetrical>	brion, [090319 09:44:30] <Simetrical> Quote from Ian Hickson resisting expansion of <time>: "How do I mark up the time of a blog for someone writing on a space ship going at 0.9c but publishing on a server in my reference frame?"
[01:07:18] <flyingparchment>	anyway, 8.04.1 instantly unsolves the problem
[01:07:25] <flyingparchment>	which is that people don't understand three decimal places
[01:07:32] <flyingparchment>	(well, two)
[01:07:33] <brion>	hehehe
[01:07:33] <acal>	hello people
[01:07:39] <p858snake>	or you could do what Inspird does and each major release has a code name based off a topic (they were using cheeses last i looked) and a minor number - eg: Cheeder.05 which was something like 1.
[01:07:47] <p858snake>	*1.something arather
[01:08:03] <brion>	mac os x and ubuntu have version numbers *and* code names
[01:08:05] <Simetrical>	Or we could just give up on software and not do releases.
[01:08:07] <brion>	it's kinda bitchy
[01:08:07] <acal>	is the "delete account" procedure possible in the mediawiki platform ?
[01:08:09] <Simetrical>	That would solve the problem.
[01:08:09] <brion>	cause you'll remember one and not the other
[01:08:28] <Simetrical>	acal, not by design.  You can rename accounts and block them, that should suffice.
[01:08:40] <Simetrical>	brion, don't Debian and Fedora do that too?
[01:08:49] <acal>	Simetrical: how to delete ?
[01:08:54] <brion>	yeah prolly
[01:08:55] <brion>	jerks
[01:08:58] <flyingparchment>	fedora doesn't have lots of clueless users that think calling it by a codename is cool
[01:09:02] <acal>	ah ok, sorry, now i see Simetrical 
[01:09:22] <Splarka>	!deleteuser | acal
[01:09:22] --mwbot--	acal: Deleting users is very messy and not recommended, because this breaks referential integrity in the database (they appear in many different tables like users, edit histories, recentchanges, preferences, etc). A safe solution is to block the users, and possibly rename them with <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser>.  You can also try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete>
[01:09:23] <brion>	or you could just go with gentoo and know your system is perpetually out of date
[01:09:38] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, you're not being jaunty enough.  Mark's choice of names is intrepid.  I'm sure Ubuntu will be more hardy than Fedora in the end anyway.
[01:09:54] <Simetrical>	It's a gutsy contender on the Linux desktop scene, and feisty too.
[01:09:59] <anomie>	Debian has version numbers, but most people seem to use the code names instead
[01:10:10] <Simetrical>	I'm not entirely sure what "dapper" means, so I won't go there.
[01:10:13] <flyingparchment>	unlikely, since redhat has a sustainable business model, and ubuntu is owned by some guy
[01:10:55] <acal>	brion: the right term is "stable" not out of date =)
[01:11:19] <flyingparchment>	yeah, gentoo is stable.. all the 12304872304 possible different and untested combinations of software compiled with random cflags
[01:11:20] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, yeah, I agree, open-source projects run as businesses without sustainable business models never end up going anywhere.  Look at Netscape, no descendants of its projects are used after it collapsed.
[01:11:22] <acal>	brion: however in unstable you can find a lot of up to date program
[01:11:25] <Splarka>	isn't the main problem with a 2.0 switch, you have to plan it "quarterly" (actually 6 months) (now Simetrical can say I said it) in advance, since the major features will happen somewhere between trunk switching to 2.0.0 alpha, and the release?
[01:11:31] <brion>	anomie: that's cause debian only makes a release once per decade
[01:12:00] <acal>	ok people, thx for help
[01:12:02] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: last time we had this argument, i bought up netscape and you claimed it was a freak one-off
[01:12:03] <acal>	see you
[01:12:12] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, logs or it didn't happen.
[01:12:16] <Simetrical>	. . . I don't care, anyway.
[01:12:20] <TimStarling>	brion: they have to make sure they get it *right*
[01:12:24] <Simetrical>	If Ubuntu folds I'll just switch to whoever beats it.
[01:12:30] <TimStarling>	real real right
[01:12:33] <brion>	:)
[01:12:35] <flyingparchment>	how populist of you
[01:12:52] <Simetrical>	I happen to like its release schedule, and the fact that it's so popular means I can get info more easily on Google.
[01:12:56] <Simetrical>	No other real reason for preferring it.
[01:13:18] <Simetrical>	Some reasons for not preferring it, like . . . Debian OpenSSL.
[01:13:33] <Splarka>	elitism: for profit/closed source: go for underdog, non-profit/open source/not evil: go for most popular
[01:13:51] <Simetrical>	Splarka, come on, Ubuntu users aren't elitist.  FreeBSD users are elitist.
[01:13:57] <Simetrical>	And, I don't know, Solaris users.  ;)
[01:14:41] <brion>	mind you, the elitistest freebsd users forked freebsd because it was becoming too much like linux
[01:15:43] <Simetrical>	BSD users freak me out a little.  Especially the ones who viciously hate Linux.
[01:15:44] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimig
[01:15:57] <CIA-60>	03brion * r48615 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:15:57] <CIA-60>	Revert r48212 "Add user_hidden field to complement ipb_deleted and gu_hidden"
[01:15:57] <CIA-60>	Unauthorized schema change, also appears to be unused.
[01:16:46] <Simetrical>	Splarka, um . . . wouldn't it be cheaper and faster to just emulate on x86?
[01:16:48] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: i think that's just the same as debian users who hate redhat, or whatever
[01:17:19] <brion>	Simetrical: that would not be l33t
[01:18:07] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, dunno.  Mostly Linux users are contemptuous of other Linux distros if anything, not so much hateful.
[01:18:27] <Simetrical>	I've seen some very nasty anti-Linux posts on FreeBSD mailing lists once or twice.
[01:18:29] <Simetrical>	Er, BSD.
[01:18:35] <Simetrical>	I don't know which one.
[01:18:42] <Simetrical>	And I've hardly seen a representative sample.
[01:18:52] <brion>	freebsd users are MEAN fuckers
[01:19:00] <brion>	#freebsd is not a friendly channel :)
[01:19:03] <Simetrical>	Also, they're prone to shark attacks.
[01:19:11] <brion>	they're prone to CAUSING shark attacks
[01:19:21] <brion>	with frickin' lasers on their heads
[01:19:22] <atglenn>	that's a topic
[01:19:22] <Simetrical>	No, wait, that's OpenBSD.
[01:19:45] <brion>	openbsd sharks only support one laser per shark, but they're the most secure sharks known to science
[01:20:08] <Simetrical>	http://xkcd.com/349/
[01:20:20] *Splarka 	senses "you have two cows" style topic tangent
[01:20:30] <flyingparchment>	anyway, real elitists use openvms
[01:20:46] <Splarka>	"Windows Vista has a guppy with an LED"
[01:20:56] <Mike_lifeguard>	brion: I think that schema change was for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17831 ?
[01:20:58] <Simetrical>	Real elitists use a magnetized needle and a steady hand.
[01:21:51] <flyingparchment>	i heard that's how linux's multithreading works
[01:22:05] <brion>	Mike_lifeguard: doesn't seem very clear nor is there any mention o fit
[01:22:12] <brion>	and... it's not used currently
[01:22:24] <brion>	and... i don't recall authorizing a core schema change yet :)
[01:22:27] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, well, I don't know, you could check.  It's open-source, after all, unlike some operating systems.
[01:22:35] *Mike_lifeguard 	shrugs - just thought it might be helpful to know
[01:22:37] <flyingparchment>	which ones?
[01:22:46] <Simetrical>	brion, is that slave rotation script thing working yet?
[01:24:11] <brion>	Simetrical: in theory :D
[01:24:15] <Simetrical>	Anyway, it's bedtime for me, so good night.
[01:24:19] <brion>	nini
[01:28:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences Form Customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15235  (10tylerromeo)
[01:31:18] <avar>	Simetrical: Most linux users don't give a crap about what distro other people use, people who get in your face about your OS are in the minority, along with people who are fanatical about some brand of car, or a football team:)
[01:33:21] <CIA-60>	03brion * r48616 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionListView.php: 
[01:33:21] <CIA-60>	Fix for r48111 "(bug 17826) Make path links clickable in CodeRevisionListView."
[01:33:21] <CIA-60>	Links now actually work. :)
[01:33:21] <CIA-60>	The ? was being included in the page title, thus escaped, thus failing to be in the query string.
[01:33:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CodeReview revision list "path" column values should be clickable links to path subsearch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17826  (10brion)
[01:40:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API for AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18063 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (mrzmanwiki)
[01:46:41] <Splarka>	MrZ-man: remember the lesson from Dune and Foundation, if you give bots too much power you will be enslaved by them
[01:50:26] <CIA-60>	03brion * r48617 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionView.php: Refactor a little on the CodeReview image diff display -- move some shared code to a method and make the image clickable.
[01:51:07] <brion>	Splarka: well, from foundation -- if we give bots too much power they will use the 0th law to make the earth uninhabitable in order to force us out into the universe to better ourselves
[01:51:20] <brion>	meddling metal monsters
[01:52:27] <Splarka>	ahh, so that's what the WMF is doing to Wikipedia
[01:54:58] <carl-m>	brion: I have no hurry here, but the Wikipedia 0.7 people and WikiTrust people started asking me about the status of the database dump system
[01:55:30] <brion>	carl-m: tomaszf 
[01:55:35] <carl-m>	cool
[01:55:45] <tomaszf>	heya
[01:58:21] <chzz>	Q What should the folder structure of extensions look like, when you install parserfunctions? should the extracted files be in directories or what?
[01:58:38] <CIA-60>	03brion * r48618 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: 
[01:58:38] <CIA-60>	Follow-up to r48174 "* add GENDER support for 'abusefilter-reautoconfirm-done' and 'abusefilter-reautoconfirm-none'"
[01:58:38] <CIA-60>	Don't forget the neutral default in English! :)
[02:00:30] <chzz>	I mean, the tar contains 3 directories; [ParserFunctions] [ParserFunctions-MW1.14-r45211(2).tar] [ParserFunctions-MW1.14-r45211.tar] - 2 of which are empty
[02:00:36] <chzz>	So, what goes where?
[02:02:26] <Sean_Colombo>	anyone in here been seeing a bunch of automated "move-page" vandalism over the last few days?
[02:02:26] <brion>	chzz: looks like you downloaded the archive twice and decompressed it once
[02:02:29] <brion>	two of those are archive files
[02:02:34] <brion>	one of those is a directory you extracted?
[02:03:01] <chzz>	no, they're folders called Parserthingy.tar
[02:03:10] <chzz>	that's what I get when I extract them
[02:03:23] <chzz>	It's not a file; it's a folder with the name foofoofoo.tar
[02:04:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	Sean_Colombo: Unlikely... this is #mediawiki
[02:04:06] <chzz>	The directory called ParserFunctions-MW1.14-r45211.tar>
[02:04:42] <Sean_Colombo>	Mike_lifeguard: why would that make it unlikely?  aren't there a bunch of people who run Mediawiki sites chilling in here?
[02:05:06] <Sean_Colombo>	or is it pretty much only devs?
[02:05:47] <Mike_lifeguard>	It's mostly coders. That said, many of them are volunteers, and some of them are active in countervandalism, but...
[02:05:56] <Mike_lifeguard>	#wikimedia-admin or something might be better
[02:06:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	(which is +i, btw)
[02:06:31] <Sean_Colombo>	ah, very cool
[02:06:32] <Sean_Colombo>	what is +i?
[02:06:38] <Mike_lifeguard>	invite-only
[02:06:40] <Sean_Colombo>	ouch
[02:06:47] <Splarka>	probably not so interested in Wikipedia vandalism, but more reports from other small wikis
[02:06:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	#wikimedia-stewards isn't though :)
[02:07:04] <Sean_Colombo>	Splarka: yeah, more like that would probably be good
[02:07:26] <Sean_Colombo>	I'm kinda trying to figure out if this is just some new trend or if we were specifically targeted...
[02:07:29] <Splarka>	but there isn't really any sort of #mediawiki-administration type channel around other than here, is there?
[02:07:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	That's why I didn't suggest #wikipedia ... #wikimedia-admin and #wikimedia-stewards are populated primarily by people involved in cross-wiki countervandalism
[02:08:04] <Sean_Colombo>	ah
[02:08:50] <Sean_Colombo>	methinks it's dangerous that there's something like this out there.  usually the only people with bots which use proxies, etc. tend to be MediaWikiers and not vandals
[02:09:00] <Sean_Colombo>	kinda an unfortunate development :/
[02:09:07] <chzz>	Sean_Colombo: why not ask in #wikipedia-en? If there's been a lot, they'd have seen it
[02:09:37] <Sean_Colombo>	chzz: might as well ask them too
[02:09:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) The "pipe trick" does not work in footnotes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18064 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (bill.mitchell)
[02:12:56] <Splarka>	6 dupes for that one
[02:12:57] <chzz>	Have you noticed the /. article, "Activists Use Wikipedia To Test Aussie Net Censors"?
[02:14:40] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) The "pipe trick" does not work in footnotes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18064  +comment (10herd)
[02:14:41] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Pre-save transform skips extensions using wikitext (gallery, references, pipe trick, subst, signatures) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2700  +comment (10herd)
[02:14:57] <Splarka>	*ahem* I didn't reopen that
[02:15:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Random/asdf causes database error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18065 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (public)
[02:15:30] <Splarka>	17 dupes of 2700, at least 7 for pipe tricks
[02:15:57] <Splarka>	brion: were you talking about just having pipe trick not be a pre-save transformation, and just work like [[Namespace:Foo|]] perpetually?
[02:19:31] *Marybelle 	blinks.
[02:37:27] <zrh>	Hi … in http://www.zrhwiki.ch/wiki/Piste_14, the word 'TEST' should not be visible according to the defined if-condition … do you have any idea why it's visible nevertheless?
[02:37:33] <zrh>	The if-condition is defined in http://www.zrhwiki.ch/w/index.php?title=Vorlage:Informationsbox&action=edit (the first one)
[02:38:19] <Splarka>	#if only checks nullity
[02:38:37] <Splarka>	{{#if:{{{foo}}}|this will always happen|this will never happen}}
[02:38:51] <Splarka>	(note before version 1.11 this would sort of work, but inconsistently)
[02:39:09] <Splarka>	you need to have a fallback for #if'd parameters so they can work properly
[02:39:17] <Splarka>	{{ #if: {{{Piste_Bild|}}} |
[02:39:57] <Splarka>	that pipe means "if Piste_Bild is not a defined parameter, use this default text" which is nothing, which #if can see as a false case
[02:40:25] <zrh>	Splarka: Thanks a lot, that should help me to fix the problem! :D
[02:41:02] <Splarka>	you can also have multiple parameter names that way... {{{Piste_Bild|{{{piste_bild|}}}}}}
[02:41:08] <Splarka>	for example (one falls back to the other)
[02:42:59] <zrh>	Splarka: Hmm, {{{Piste_Bild}}} doesn't exist, why is 'TEST' shown nevertheless?
[02:43:52] <Splarka>	{{foo|bar=something}} -> {{#if:{{{bar}}}||}} sees "something"
[02:43:58] <Splarka>	{{foo|bar=something}} -> {{#if:{{{bar|}}}||}} sees "something"
[02:44:14] <Splarka>	{{foo}} -> {{#if:{{{bar}}}||}} sees "{{{bar}}}"
[02:44:20] <Splarka>	{{foo}} -> {{#if:{{{bar|}}}||}} sees ""
[02:44:28] <Splarka>	it literally sees the name in {{{}}}
[02:44:48] <Splarka>	that is what a non-fallback non-defined parameter shows up as
[02:44:58] <zrh>	Ah!
[02:45:45] <zrh>	Thanks again!
[02:46:05] *chzz 	's brain asplodes
[02:48:42] <Splarka>	chzz: you have all this and more to look forward to, as soon as you get ParserFunctions working yourself
[02:48:52] <Splarka>	of which #if is the most simple!
[02:50:49] <chzz>	I tried to make an infofox the other day, that said 'if there's a picture passed, show it, otherwise show this logo thing'. Then realised that if there was a pic, it might have a caption. And maybe a px. And then if there was a pic I wanted an extra line above the logo. and *then* my brain asploded.
[02:51:25] <chzz>	I was so perturbed, I almost edited an article
[02:53:18] <chzz>	is there some good reason why NAMESPACE returns null for main? I know it's in a table, but - why null? 
[02:55:03] <zrh>	Splarka: I'm making progress, #mediawiki turned out to be very helpful again! :) Good night every body, it's almost 4 am, time to go to bed and to keep on working on my wiki tomorrow … bye all!
[02:56:57] <Splarka>	zzz
[02:57:30] <Splarka>	chzz: fun eh
[02:57:57] <chzz>	yeah, lovely.
[02:58:35] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48619 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialMergeHistory.php: Tweaked r48158 to show error in more cases
[03:06:16] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) cleaner array for avoiding Special:Specialpages' disabled links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11023  trivial->normal; lowest->normal;  +need-review +patch; summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[03:07:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cleaner array for avoiding Special:Specialpages' disabled links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11023  (10jidanni)
[03:09:39] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) cleaner array for avoiding Special:Specialpages' disabled links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11023  +comment (10jidanni)
[03:13:07] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48620 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: only remove selected options in lists if replacement value exists, otherwise use default
[03:21:58] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) cleaner array for avoiding Special:Specialpages' disabled links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11023  normal->trivial; normal->lowest; -need-review -patch ; +comment (10jidanni)
[03:37:39] <CIA-60>	03nad * r48621 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): if defaults are supplied in forms, use then if values aren't supplied in record when updating but not when searching
[03:38:00] <kmw_>	HOLY FUCKING SHIT YES!
[03:38:00] <kmw_>	the lit department is hiring a new faculty member
[03:38:00] <kmw_>	one of the two candidates is a Gulag narrative and Solzhenitsyn specialist
[03:39:07] <silicong>	Hello all I am really suffering with this - I am trying to get the CategoryTree to work in the sidebar and for the life of me I cant get this working at all... I am so frustrated
[03:39:39] <silicong>	I added $wgCategoryTreeSidddebarRoot = 'Top_level'; to my LocalSettings.php - and nothing shows up
[03:39:47] <silicong>	anyone have any ideas?
[03:42:05] <silicong>	why does the side bar not have a way to do this
[03:42:23] <silicong>	If I am on the main page and I click the category
[04:13:27] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48622 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialDeletedContributions.php: Visibility tweak on ar_deleted per bug 17792
[04:23:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) euprop=ns embedded in euprop=title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18044  (10jidanni)
[04:24:53] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48623 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialDeletedContributions.php: Fix typo - suppressrevision
[04:26:34] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) exportnowrap=true causes internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17673  (10jidanni)
[04:27:05] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) exportnowrap=true causes internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17673  15enhancement->normal (10jidanni)
[04:30:01] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48624 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (LogEventsList.php specials/SpecialContributions.php): Don't apply DELETED_USER restriction on query for users with 'suppressrevision'
[04:31:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) exportnowrap=true causes internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17673  (10jidanni)
[05:01:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add {{DEFAULTSORT}} constant. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16448  +comment (10m1shawhan)
[06:03:22] <Nikerabbit>	morsning
[06:11:21] <CIA-60>	03nikerabbit * r48625 10/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php: * Don't use wgLang for dates in emails
[06:18:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Random/asdf causes database error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18065  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:25:08] <Marybelle>	Nikerabbit: I think it's been like that for a long time.
[06:26:15] <Nikerabbit>	long time is how much?
[06:26:42] <Bossmanbeta>	I'm running Mediawiki version 1.11.0, are there any major reasons to upgrade to version 1.14? Also, why are there two versions, 1.14.0 and 1.6.12 ?
[06:27:00] <Marybelle>	Nikerabbit: At least a few months.
[06:27:53] <Nikerabbit>	Security fixes: 1.13.5 1.12.4, 1.6.12 
[06:27:56] <Nikerabbit>	that should say it all
[06:30:15] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Run refreshLinks.php on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16658  +comment (10tstarling)
[06:35:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Random/asdf causes database error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18065  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:37:09] <GerardM->	Bossmanbeta, the funcionality of MediaWiki has also much improved
[06:37:41] <GerardM->	When you have a standard LAMP environment, it is worth upgrading
[06:37:59] <GerardM->	and yes you want to test first
[06:38:15] <GerardM->	<grin> that is a usual warning
[07:23:26] <talkout>	anyone related to gsoc project ideas?
[07:36:11] <Nikerabbit>	related how?
[07:52:31] <talkout>	Nikerabbit: who would know more about the idea "Implementing a Flash player OggHandler Extension"
[07:53:13] <talkout>	i'm interested in this project idea and would like to know more about it
[07:54:00] <TimStarling>	flash can't play oggs
[07:54:21] <talkout>	ohh...!
[07:55:45] <TimStarling>	it only plays FLV
[07:56:23] <talkout>	but there seems to be a action script library that could do this
[07:56:34] <talkout>	here http://barelyfocused.net/blog/2008/10/03/flash-vorbis-player/
[07:57:36] <TimStarling>	yes, I had heard of that
[07:57:50] <TimStarling>	it only works in the beta version of flash and it doesn't play theora
[07:58:00] <TimStarling>	so the applicability is limited
[07:58:06] <talkout>	also it seems bad in performance
[07:58:19] <talkout>	thats true
[07:58:39] <TimStarling>	I think you'd be better off transcoding
[07:58:45] <TimStarling>	on the server side
[07:59:07] <talkout>	thats one possibility
[07:59:12] <talkout>	into what format?
[07:59:31] <TimStarling>	whatever it is that flash supports natively
[08:00:05] <Duesentrieb>	uh, if stuff gets transcoded on the server, why use flash at all?
[08:00:06] <TimStarling>	you're hardly supporting free software if you're targetting flash, so I don't see the problem with using proprietary codecs
[08:00:37] <Duesentrieb>	could just transcode to mpeg or divx or whatever
[08:01:00] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb
[08:01:20] <TimStarling>	interesting that they credit fluendo
[08:01:56] <TimStarling>	JOrbis wasn't written by fluendo, it was written by JCraft
[08:02:03] <Duesentrieb>	hey ho Nikerabbit
[08:02:32] <TimStarling>	 * Copyright (C) 2000 ymnk, JCraft,Inc.
[08:03:24] <p858snake>	i thought people were against flash because it wasn't opensource or whatever?
[08:05:34] <Nikerabbit>	that is a good reason, among those that it is crashy, keeps the processor active and 64bit is poorly supported
[08:07:20] <talkout>	thanks TimStarling, Nikerabbit 
[08:07:28] <talkout>	any thoughts on the gsoc idea for a "automatic download, installation, and configuration of extensions"?
[08:08:21] <Nikerabbit>	 isn't that something that configure extension and wikiaton installer does to some extent?
[08:08:26] <Duesentrieb>	talkout: sure - "how to make it secure enough"?
[08:08:55] <Duesentrieb>	talkout: i'd at least  include support for repository keys - i.e. require plugins to be sigend by a trusted party.
[08:09:11] <TimStarling>	bbl
[08:09:16] <Nikerabbit>	it is not a solved issue though
[08:09:33] <Duesentrieb>	right, what Nikerabbit said: make it integrate with the Configure extension.
[08:10:21] <talkout>	i'll try installing those for checking
[08:10:31] <Nikerabbit>	you probably want to talk to ialex and GerardM- if that is interesting
[08:11:02] <talkout>	Nikerabbit: i'll try if they are available
[08:11:31] <Nikerabbit>	not right now it seems, but they are often in IRC
[08:12:01] <talkout>	ya it seems... i'll try to check back
[08:12:15] <talkout>	thanks for your comments and thoughts
[08:12:45] <Nikerabbit>	any idea where I can find research papers about open source contribution?
[08:13:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AbuseFilter log should be easier to patrol - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18066 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (MacGyverMagic)
[08:14:59] <talkout>	Nikerabbit: try http://www.scitopia.org/scitopia/
[08:15:11] <talkout>	or http://opensource.mit.edu/online_papers.php seems to have some
[08:16:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function for reversing order of characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17999  (10N/A)
[08:17:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Alias of 'Wikibooks' namespace in Chinese Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17967  (10jwongwiki)
[08:18:24] <GerardM->	my browser crashed ... I know my name was mentioned ... not what it was about
[08:19:01] <Splarka>	GerardM- -> http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090320.txt
[08:19:23] <GerardM->	:) thanks
[08:20:21] <talkout>	GerardM: its about a gsoc project idea
[08:20:46] <GerardM->	talkout look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OggHandler
[08:21:07] <talkout>	i check that back
[08:21:10] <GerardM->	there is an ogghandler and it is likely to be well maintained .. at least worked on
[08:21:40] <talkout>	do you think there is more to be done on that as a gsoc project?
[08:22:28] <GerardM->	Michael Dale is the person to speak to
[08:22:42] <GerardM->	he is on Los Angeles times
[08:22:52] <talkout>	ok...
[08:22:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Decision tree for AbuseFilters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18067 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (MacGyverMagic)
[08:33:55] <OsamaK>	Hello, a table question. How to add a dynamical numbering in the first column of the table? 
[08:34:04] <OsamaK>	See the example <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:OsamaK/Sandbox>.
[08:37:23] <Splarka>	http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_gen_counter-increment.asp  maybe
[08:37:39] <Splarka>	or javascript, or a variables extension...
[08:38:16] <OsamaK>	Splarka, how, "that is the question".
[08:39:12] <OsamaK>	Please feel free to edit the table.
[08:39:18] <OsamaK>	will be back
[08:39:37] *Splarka 	doesn't think counters can be used inline
[08:39:49] <Splarka>	(or in IE)
[09:11:15] <kraut>	moin
[09:35:03] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48626 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (20 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-20 09:25 UTC)
[09:41:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052  (10rene.kijewski)
[09:52:58] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48627 10/trunk/extensions/ (61 files in 59 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-20 09:36 UTC)
[09:58:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052  (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[10:23:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052  (10rene.kijewski)
[10:33:08] <Carn>	hi all
[10:33:28] <Carn>	Oversight-user signature near deleted entry in page history can be technically implemented?
[11:03:43] <Bossmanbeta>	GerardM-: But there's no major functionality that's been added in 1.16?
[11:03:50] <Bossmanbeta>	GerardM-: Why is there a 1.6 and a 1.16?
[11:04:33] <Duesentrieb>	Bossmanbeta: 1.16? that would be released some time at the end of 2009...
[11:04:37] <Splarka>	1.6 was the last release that supports PHP4 which some people are stuck with
[11:04:50] <Nikerabbit>	hi ialex
[11:05:27] <Splarka>	but mostly only security updates and critical flaws are changed for it, same for less-older releases like 1.13 and 1.12
[11:05:42] <ialex>	hello Nikerabbit
[11:05:49] <feldfrosch>	hi
[11:06:02] <feldfrosch>	i have a strange problem.
[11:06:09] <feldfrosch>	i use mediawiki and all runing perfect
[11:06:21] <feldfrosch>	but since a few days nobody could upload something
[11:06:35] <feldfrosch>	the errormessage "Die hochgeladene Datei ist leer. Der Grund kann ein Tippfehler im Dateinamen sein. Bitte kontrolliere, ob du die Datei wirklich hochladen willst." makes no sense
[11:06:36] <Nikerabbit>	"everything works" is strange problem indeed
[11:06:50] <feldfrosch>	because the files are not empty
[11:07:02] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: :D
[11:07:06] <feldfrosch>	is it possible to enable a debug mode or something?
[11:07:20] <ialex>	!wg DebugLogFile
[11:07:20] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDebugLogFile
[11:07:41] <Nikerabbit>	same in Engloish: The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file.
[11:08:14] <feldfrosch>	i have test it with jpg, gif ..
[11:08:24] <feldfrosch>	nothing is upload able
[11:11:12] <feldfrosch>	i have changed my localSettings.php. I add the line $wgDebugLogFile=true
[11:11:18] <feldfrosch>	but i still see no logs
[11:11:23] <feldfrosch>	what is false?
[11:11:35] <ialex>	feldfrosch: you need to set it to a file
[11:11:43] <ialex>	true will not work
[11:11:55] <feldfrosch>	oh understand
[11:12:01] <feldfrosch>	for example in upload.php
[11:12:14] <feldfrosch>	or?
[11:12:33] <ialex>	a file that can be written by the webserver
[11:12:36] <Duesentrieb>	feldfrosch: no, set it *to* a file.
[11:12:50] <Duesentrieb>	feldfrosch: $wgDebugLogFile="/tmp/mediawiki.log";
[11:12:53] <Duesentrieb>	something like that
[11:13:16] <Duesentrieb>	make sure the web server can write to that localtion (and the directory exists)
[11:13:17] <feldfrosch>	outch! sorry sometimes im really stupid
[11:14:42] <proppy>	Hi, I have trouble seeking in video using the copy of cortado player in mediawiki svn, is this a known issue ?
[11:16:01] <feldfrosch>	http://pastebin.com/m30addd07
[11:17:22] <feldfrosch>	what means "Class SkinMonobook not found; skipped loading"?
[11:18:08] <Duesentrieb>	it means that the skin class isn't there. du8nno if it's supposed to exist. if you skin is working, it should not be a aproblem
[11:18:46] <Duesentrieb>	anyway - there doesn't seem to be anything relevant in the log. except perhaps this line:
[11:18:47] <feldfrosch>	my skin works goog
[11:18:52] <Duesentrieb>	WebRequest::getFileName() '!BOd-7U!CGk~$(KGrHgoH-CIEjlLl4NtwBJu5-zZ4w!~~_1.JPG' normalized to '!BOd-7U!CGk~$(KGrHgoH-CIEjlLl4NtwBJu5-zZ4w!~~_1.JPG'
[11:19:38] <Duesentrieb>	that file name loos nasty... but i hav't checked what it would look like in a good case :)
[11:20:25] <feldfrosch>	yes the filename is extrme
[11:20:32] <feldfrosch>	but is good for testing :-)
[11:20:45] <feldfrosch>	if i upload "heinz.jpg" the same error message
[11:21:01] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48628 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql: Fix typo in tables.sql, pointed out by Jidanni
[11:21:39] <feldfrosch>	http://wiki.maniac-mansion-mania.com/images/mediawiki.log
[11:21:58] <feldfrosch>	WebRequest::getFileName() 'heinz.jpg' normalized to 'heinz.jpg'
[11:23:09] <feldfrosch>	use the upload a special user?
[11:23:21] <feldfrosch>	for example an ftp cleint or something?
[11:27:31] <feldfrosch>	i found some message in apaache/error.log
[11:27:43] <feldfrosch>	but did'nt find anything about that in google or apache forum
[11:27:45] <feldfrosch>	File does not exist: /var/www/html/mmmwiki/w, referer: http://wiki.maniac-mansion-mania.com/wiki/Spezial:Hochladen
[11:34:36] <feldfrosch>	 client denied by server configuration: /var/www/html/mmmwiki/images/deleted/
[11:34:47] <feldfrosch>	that is the problem i thin
[11:40:16] <feldfrosch>	no is not :(
[11:41:09] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48629 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiFormatRaw.php ApiQuery.php): 
[11:41:09] <CIA-60>	* API: Really fix bug 17673 this time: exportnowrap still returned fatal errors when no titles were given or generated
[11:41:09] <CIA-60>	* Move export/exportnowrap handling code out of the if(count($pages)) branch
[11:41:09] <CIA-60>	* Add an error fallback to ApiFormatRaw (exportnowrap uses the XML formatter for errors), since Raw doesn't know how to format errors
[11:41:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) exportnowrap=true causes internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17673  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:50:57] <CIA-60>	03philip * r48630 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[12:00:52] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48631 10/trunk/phase3/index.php: 
[12:00:52] <CIA-60>	* Added "@file" so that doxygen doesn't attribute the comment to the first instruction
[12:00:52] <CIA-60>	* whitespaces fixes
[12:03:06] <Kartagis>	hello
[12:03:25] <Kartagis>	how do i set a page as the main page?
[12:03:36] <ialex>	change MediaWiki:Mainpage
[12:07:03] <Kartagis>	where?
[12:07:19] <Reedy>	on your wiki, visit the page MediaWiki:Mainpage
[12:07:21] <ialex>	it's a page in the wiki
[12:10:16] <Kartagis>	if i only i could find it
[12:10:38] <Reedy>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mainpage
[12:10:39] <Reedy>	for example
[12:10:50] <Reedy>	Create it if it doesn't exist
[12:11:33] <Kartagis>	oh
[12:14:24] <Kartagis>	wee
[12:14:27] <Kartagis>	thanks
[12:18:55] <vibrog>	is it possible to use <tag>{{{1}}}</tag> in a template? seems like {{{1}}} isn't parsed inside an XML tag.
[12:23:31] <ialex>	vibrog: {{#tag:tag|{{{1}}}}}
[12:25:10] <vibrog>	thanks
[12:34:31] <feldfrosch>	what for userrights must have the images directory?
[12:34:40] <feldfrosch>	drwxrwxrwx 23 www-data www-data   4096 2009-03-20 12:13 images
[12:34:44] <feldfrosch>	is that right?
[12:34:55] <Reedy>	does it work?
[12:35:00] <feldfrosch>	no 
[12:35:03] <feldfrosch>	i see no pictures
[12:35:10] <feldfrosch>	and could not any upload
[12:35:32] <feldfrosch>	and logmessage from apache says: File does not exist: /var/www/html/mmmwiki/images/Episode.gif, referer: http
[12:36:28] <feldfrosch>	maybe this problem comes from shorturl
[12:36:46] <feldfrosch>	but i don't know what must the rights for the direcoty
[12:37:15] <feldfrosch>	chmod 777 -R images?
[12:38:17] <Duesentrieb>	feldfrosch: there are two upload dirs: the temporary dir used by php internally, and the image dir mediawiki uses.
[12:38:34] <Duesentrieb>	it kind of sounds like your problem is related to php's internal temp dir.
[12:38:44] <Duesentrieb>	i suggest to check for that.
[12:38:51] <feldfrosch>	Duesentrieb: good idea :-)
[12:39:05] <feldfrosch>	i did'nt know that there are two :-)
[12:39:16] <feldfrosch>	just a second will check
[12:46:52] <feldfrosch>	looks like it is /tmp
[12:47:05] <feldfrosch>	and they access looks ok 
[12:47:13] <feldfrosch>	really strange
[12:48:57] <feldfrosch>	there is a $wgArticlePath
[12:49:10] <feldfrosch>	mabye i must create a $wgImagePath?
[12:50:47] <Marco27>	Sorry, a question: Can I subst a Parser Function???
[12:54:38] <Chenzw>	Marco27: Yes :)
[12:54:58] <Marco27>	{{subst:PARSERFUNCION}}???
[12:55:08] <Marco27>	*function :-)
[12:55:11] <Chenzw>	Yes
[12:57:09] <Marco27>	Chenzw: And how I can insert a subst template in another template??? Because if I insert in a template, for example, {{subst:PAGENAME}}, template write always the template page...
[12:57:37] <feldfrosch>	:-C i have no idea how could fix my problem :-((
[12:58:15] <feldfrosch>	http://wiki.maniac-mansion-mania.com/images/ works
[12:58:19] <feldfrosch>	i see all the pics
[12:58:41] <feldfrosch>	but they still say File does not exist: /var/www/html/mmmwiki/w, referer: http://wiki.maniac-mansion-mania.com/index.php?title=Ein_irrer_Tag_eines_Ronvillers&action=edit
[12:58:57] <feldfrosch>	 and i have no directory "w"
[12:59:19] <Chenzw>	Marco27: Maybe {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PARSERFUNCTION}} can help
[12:59:33] <Reedy>	feldfrosch, shouldnt it be /w/index.php ?
[12:59:39] <Reedy>	if done properl
[12:59:39] <Duesentrieb>	feldfrosch: uh... then your ScriptPath or ImagePath is wrong. but that should not interfere with uploading
[12:59:40] <Reedy>	y
[12:59:49] <Duesentrieb>	putting the wiki directly into the docuiment root is not recommended, btw
[13:00:08] <Duesentrieb>	Reedy: recommended, but not absolutly necessary.
[13:00:26] <Marco27>	Chenzw: Ok, now I try... Thanks :-)
[13:00:33] <Chenzw>	No prob :)
[13:00:58] <feldfrosch>	Duesentrieb:  i have not in the root document...
[13:01:00] <Reedy>	Duesentrieb, meh ;P
[13:01:05] <feldfrosch>	### Kurze und schoene URL
[13:01:07] <feldfrosch>	$wgScriptPath = '';
[13:01:09] <feldfrosch>	$wgArticlePath = '/wiki/$1';
[13:01:11] <feldfrosch>	#$wgUsePathInfo = true;
[13:01:13] <feldfrosch>	that is in my localhost
[13:01:25] <feldfrosch>	and the wiki is a vhost on /var/www/html/<wikiname>
[13:01:55] <feldfrosch>	when the url is false, why the page and the css run?
[13:02:43] <Kartagis>	how can I use wiki.example.com/wiki/Page_Name instead of wiki.example.com/index.php/Page_Name ? the mediawiki faq says it moved but I can't find it
[13:02:50] <yannf>	hello, if I have a local copy of an image from Commons, thumbnails do not work
[13:03:01] <yannf>	if this is a known bug?
[13:03:54] <feldfrosch>	Kartagis: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title
[13:04:02] <Duesentrieb>	feldfrosch: your url says you doi have it in the docroot.
[13:04:32] <Duesentrieb>	if /index.php follows directly on the url, there's no subdirt. in that case, don'
[13:04:46] <Duesentrieb>	in that case, don't use rewriting, it will caluse confusion
[13:04:49] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems
[13:04:49] --mwbot--	1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[13:05:05] <Duesentrieb>	feldfrosch: seems to be you have several problems that kind of overlap and make it hard to see what's going on.
[13:05:43] <feldfrosch>	is it possible to remove the shorturl thing?
[13:06:00] <feldfrosch>	so that i see the old index.php?... version?
[13:07:20] <Kartagis>	feldfrosch, I don't have the fiddle with rewrite? cool
[13:10:00] <Marco27>	Chenzw: There's a problem: If I insert {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PAGENAME}}, on template page is all ok, but when I include template in another page, become {{subst:PAGENAME}}...
[13:10:10] <feldfrosch>	Kartagis: my problem is not the rewrite, my problem is the "images"
[13:11:06] *Simetrical 	has been vaguely meaning to write a 404 handler script so people don't have to mess with rewrites
[13:11:35] <Chenzw>	Marco27: Does the page in PAGENAME exist?
[13:11:47] <feldfrosch>	for example http://wiki.maniac-mansion-mania.com/wiki/Datei:Staffel_07_Folge69_01.png look ok
[13:11:52] <feldfrosch>	but they don't  show the GFX
[13:12:25] <feldfrosch>	and if i click on the image they change to url to ...om/images/Staffel_07_Folge69_01.png
[13:12:40] <feldfrosch>	but i think the right is om/images/A/C.../Staffel_07_Folge69_01.png
[13:12:52] <Marco27>	Chenw: Yes... I've put {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>PAGENAME}} in my sandbox, and I've recall it in another page, with {{User:MyUsername/Sandbox}}
[13:13:53] <feldfrosch>	apache says  File does not exist: /var/www/html/mmmwiki/images/Staffel_07_Folge69_01.png, referer: http://wiki.maniac-mansion-mania.com/wiki/Datei:Staffel_07_Folge69_01.png
[13:14:40] <feldfrosch>	so i think i need a variable like $wgArticlePath = '/wiki/$1';
[13:14:43] <feldfrosch>	for the images
[13:14:47] <feldfrosch>	but i find nothing!
[13:14:51] <feldfrosch>	:-C
[13:15:06] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[13:17:22] <feldfrosch>	why they have a so limited logfiles in mediawiki :/
[13:19:34] <Marco27>	Chenw: It isn't important...
[13:20:06] <Kartagis>	I applied http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title but now I get The requested URL /wiki/ was not found on this server.
[13:20:32] <Chenzw>	Marco27: Huh?
[13:21:01] <Marco27>	My question... It isn't important :-) ...
[13:21:36] <Chenzw>	Marco27: But I tried it out on my userpage... it works
[13:21:47] <Chenzw>	Maybe it has got to do with the version
[13:22:11] <Marco27>	Ok, thanks :-)
[13:22:14] <Kartagis>	can you help me guys?
[13:24:08] <Marco27>	Chenzw: Maybe...
[13:26:57] <feldfrosch>	:( i will work on this problem later
[13:27:06] <feldfrosch>	with mutch more coffee :-)
[13:27:30] <Kartagis>	hello? help me?
[13:28:23] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r48632 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (2 files in 2 dirs): include resource id in definition
[13:29:32] <Kartagis>	Alvaro, can you help me?
[13:29:58] <Alvaro>	what for, Kartagis ?
[13:30:06] <Kartagis>	Alvaro, I applied http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title but now I get The requested URL /wiki/ was not found on this server.
[13:30:54] <Alvaro>	I'm afraid I can't help you. I'm here as a lurcker, that's all 
[13:37:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge Help namespace into Project in the Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11489  (10gtisza)
[13:37:43] <Duesentrieb>	Kartagis: did you restart apache?
[13:37:57] <Duesentrieb>	Kartagis: did you edit the richt config file?
[13:38:22] <Duesentrieb>	did you put the alias into the right section of the config file? i think it must be in a vhost section
[13:38:35] <Kartagis>	Duesentrieb, I restarted Apache
[13:38:50] <Kartagis>	do you mean LocalSettings.php ?
[13:38:55] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[13:38:59] <Duesentrieb>	i mean the apache config
[13:39:12] <Kartagis>	I put these, wait
[13:39:26] <Duesentrieb>	please don't paste here
[13:40:14] <Kartagis>	http://pastebin.com/m7f41e785
[13:40:31] <Duesentrieb>	well, *where* didi you put them?
[13:41:44] <Kartagis>	on a separate section. should I have put them in <VirtualHost> ?
[13:43:42] <Duesentrieb>	in the correct VirtualHost.
[13:50:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052  (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[13:57:01] <Kartagis>	Duesentrieb, sorry if you said anything. i was disconnected
[13:57:36] <Duesentrieb>	Kartagis: i just said that you have to add it to the *correct* virtualhost section
[13:57:58] <Duesentrieb>	(and then restart)
[13:58:15] <buzz_>	hi all
[14:02:25] <Kartagis>	hmm, it works, but without style
[14:03:50] <Kartagis>	Duesentrieb, it works but style sheet is gone
[14:13:59] <Kartagis>	Duesentrieb, are you there?
[14:17:57] <Duesentrieb>	Kartagis: this means your $wgScriptPath is set wrong. or you have some alias or rewrite rule interfering with direct access to /mediawiki
[14:24:00] <Kartagis>	Duesentrieb, it was mediawiki, I changed it to /mediawiki. it still is so
[14:24:40] <Duesentrieb>	Kartagis: look into the html source to see what theexact url is it tries to load. put it into your browser manually. see if you can load it.
[14:24:43] <Duesentrieb>	if not, find out why.
[14:29:15] <Kartagis>	Duesentrieb, can I show you the related parts of LocalSettings.php and apache.conf?
[14:29:42] <Duesentrieb>	you can try :)
[14:32:05] <Kartagis>	Duesentrieb, http://pastebin.com/m3bbfdc95
[14:33:42] <Duesentrieb>	Kartagis: you never map the script directory.
[14:33:59] <Duesentrieb>	i don't have any experience with aliases, but i think the first line should be this:
[14:34:24] <Duesentrieb>	Alias /mediawiki /usr/share/mediawiki
[14:34:33] <Duesentrieb>	or Alias /mediawiki/ /usr/share/mediawiki/, no sure
[14:36:07] <Duesentrieb>	to be honest, the instructions given seem a bit dodgy.
[14:36:27] <Kartagis>	wee
[14:36:40] <Kartagis>	the first one worked
[14:36:52] <Duesentrieb>	try the secvond too
[14:36:59] <Duesentrieb>	if it also works, i'd prefer that
[14:37:10] <Duesentrieb>	anyway - the instructions seem kind of broken wrt that
[14:37:18] <Duesentrieb>	the way proposed there doesn't make any sense
[14:37:27] <Duesentrieb>	it's none of the recommended/official ways either
[14:46:03] <GerardM->	When I install Cite 47190, I install the parser hooks
[14:46:33] <GerardM->	there is also the Cite 42818 that is the special page
[14:46:49] <GerardM->	what is there to install ?
[14:47:38] <GerardM->	or do I need to install both of them ?
[14:48:07] *GerardM- 	I am building the current wikipedia configuration
[14:50:51] <weslee>	hi
[14:54:52] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: huh? there should be only one cite extension. possibly including multiple files.
[14:55:16] <GerardM->	Check out the special version of en.wp
[14:55:21] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: you should install the entire directory. if revision numbers beteen files differ, never mind. look at the revision id of the directory.
[14:55:26] <GerardM->	you will find Cite twice with two numbers
[14:55:38] <weslee>	Where can I find/hire somebody who can help me set up a wiki
[14:55:39] <GerardM->	I do SVN
[14:55:55] <GerardM->	so where does "directory" fit in ?
[14:56:17] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: svn manages directories. what you check out are directories.
[14:56:48] <GerardM->	So I install the extension with the revision number as mentioned on en.wp ... 
[14:57:25] <GerardM->	there are two numbers ....
[14:57:38] <GerardM->	so the question should I install it twice ????
[14:57:42] <GerardM->	seems weird to me
[14:58:23] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: yea - with the higher number. the thing is... these numbers come from the individual files of the extension. but not each filke reports it to the version page. so the actal revision nr of the directory used on wikipedia might even be higher than the one reported for any of the components. for example, if the i18n file is updatewd to a new revision, the number reported on special:version doesn't change.
[14:58:26] <Duesentrieb>	yes, this sucks
[14:58:36] <Duesentrieb>	but there's no good way to fix it, as far as i know.
[14:58:55] <Duesentrieb>	svn only does tag replacement on the file level... i don't think you can get a tag replaced by the revison id of the containing dir.
[14:59:02] <Duesentrieb>	which is what we'd want, really.
[15:00:04] <GerardM->	When Cite is two packages it should be two packages
[15:00:29] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: no. that would make no sense.
[15:00:39] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: most software consists of more than one file.
[15:00:49] <Duesentrieb>	and the files need to have consistent revisions
[15:00:57] <GerardM->	Category Tree also shows twice but it installs cleanly
[15:00:59] <weslee>	any help on hiring someone to set up a wiki site for me is much appreciated
[15:01:06] <Duesentrieb>	and the correct, consistent revision for all files actually exists, it's the revision iod of the directly
[15:01:13] <Duesentrieb>	sadly, it's very hard to *Üshow* iot
[15:01:34] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: categorytree only reports the versiopn id from a single file. that too may be misleading.
[15:01:52] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: if the file for the <cite> tag has revision 23 and the file for the special page has revision 24, and the i18n file has revision 27, the dir would be 27, you would want 27. but what is reported on special:Version is only 23 and 24. because the files that report it did not change later.
[15:01:56] <Duesentrieb>	yes, that sucks.
[15:03:38] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: i *think* you can just assume you should use r47457 for everything. if the one cite files didn't change after 42818, 42818 *is* 47457 with respect to that file.
[15:03:58] <Duesentrieb>	but it may be that some extensions are handeled separately, i do not know
[15:04:12] <GerardM->	Well, when Cite does not work in my environment... it needs fixing
[15:04:37] <GerardM->	there was some noice about Citer earlier this week
[15:06:31] <GerardM->	weslee ... you are looking for someone to help you set up a system ?
[15:07:19] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Semantic MediaWiki has 'use of undefined constant DATE_W3C' error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17952  +comment (10sergey.chernyshev)
[15:10:09] <weslee>	geradm-: yes
[15:10:21] <weslee>	i would like to set up a wiki
[15:10:50] <weslee>	i have created a dictionary of 6000 investing words and i want to unleash it as a wiki with my 6000 contribution.
[15:12:26] <GerardM->	weslee can we talk in a seperate channel ?
[15:12:39] <weslee>	yes how to set it up?
[15:12:41] <GerardM->	I tried to connect to you 
[15:12:55] <weslee>	something wrong with my system?
[15:16:15] <jamasi>	weslee, why not just add those to wictionary?
[15:21:14] <Kartagis>	Duesentrieb, thanks for all your help
[15:21:18] <Kartagis>	bye all
[15:33:25] <CIA-60>	03jojo * r48633 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): show tooltips for links in portlet. replaced spaces with tabs.
[15:33:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add tooltips for menu items and MW messages to set them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17946  +comment (10support)
[16:25:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052  (10rene.kijewski)
[16:25:34] <VasilievVV>	Who is aboostani?
[16:32:44] <aboostani>	VasilievVV: I'm the tech lead on the wikipedia usability initiative
[16:33:05] <VasilievVV>	aboostani: I see
[16:34:17] <VasilievVV>	aboostani: in r48544, you changed type of second argument of ParserCache::getKey(), which leads to complete FlaggedRevs breakage
[16:34:52] <aboostani>	hmm that's not good
[16:35:02] <aboostani>	let me take a look
[16:35:25] <VasilievVV>	aboostani: I'm commiting a fix to SVN right now
[16:35:47] <aboostani>	cool, thanks
[16:36:33] <VasilievVV>	aboostani: I just wanted to note you that almost all MediaWiki functions may be used in extensions, therefore they should be as backward-compatible as possible
[16:37:50] <aboostani>	understood. I'm still coming up to speed on MediaWiki, so I appreciate the help.
[16:52:13] <Simetrical>	WTF, Apache's SVN repository is up to six-digit revision numbers.
[16:52:18] <Simetrical>	High six-digit.
[16:52:31] <Simetrical>	I guess we'll be at low-six digit before too long, though, actually . . .
[16:53:38] <CIA-60>	03vasilievvv * r48634 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/ParserCache.php: Make ParserCache::getKey backward-compatible, so it doesn't break FlaggedRevs
[16:54:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Lock rn.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17997  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:54:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052  (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[17:06:01] <Danwe>	hi
[17:07:02] <docarzt>	Howdy
[17:07:17] <docarzt>	Looking to hire someone to skin a wiki.... any suggestions?
[17:07:46] <Nikerabbit>	suggestions for what?
[17:08:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo for sah.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17855  +comment (10jeluf)
[17:09:00] <Simetrical>	People to hire, I guess.
[17:09:10] <Nikerabbit>	hi Simetrical
[17:09:22] <Simetrical>	This isn't usually a great channel to talk to people other than MediaWiki developers (although you're welcome to try).
[17:09:29] <Nikerabbit>	any idea how many gsoc projects mediawiki will get?
[17:12:17] <Simetrical>	Heck if I know.
[17:12:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo for stq.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15379  +comment (10jeluf)
[17:12:44] <NicDumZ>	probably 3 or 4, similarly to last year
[17:12:49] <NicDumZ>	any candidates yet ?
[17:12:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052  (10rene.kijewski)
[17:14:59] <Danwe>	how is it possible to calculate with time in MW? I tried #time but this doesn't work for me. I'd like to calculate with times which user can define in a template parameter like "3:30" as 3 hours and 30 minutes. Now I'd like to divide 3:30 thru 6 which is 35 minutes.
[17:15:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update request for mg.wikipedia logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17698  +comment (10jeluf)
[17:16:10] <Simetrical>	Danwe, you need to use #calc.
[17:16:33] <Danwe>	#calc? is this MW default function?
[17:16:40] <Simetrical>	Um.
[17:16:41] <Simetrical>	#expr.
[17:16:45] <Simetrical>	Whatever it's called.
[17:16:50] <Nikerabbit>	NicDumZ: did we get so many last year?
[17:17:07] <Danwe>	but #expr cant deal with times I think
[17:17:50] <NicDumZ>	well Nikerabbit 2 projects went until the end and are listed on google page. Plus mine. And there might have been a fourth guy, not sure anymore
[17:17:52] <Danwe>	{{#expr: 3:30 / 6}} gives an error
[17:18:24] <Simetrical>	Time intervals aren't handled well, only dates.
[17:18:30] <Danwe>	it would help to be able to convert hours:minutes to minutes only, then calculate and then reconvert minutes to hours:minutes.
[17:18:35] <Simetrical>	You need to use #time to convert to Unix time first anyway.
[17:18:38] <Nikerabbit>	do we have enough mentors?
[17:18:48] <Simetrical>	Well, you should be able to use #time to get the hours and minutes out of "3:30".
[17:18:56] <Simetrical>	Then pass those to #expr.
[17:19:05] <Danwe>	no. #time is only up to 59 minutes
[17:19:13] <Danwe>	you cant say gimme the minutes of 3 hours
[17:19:27] <Simetrical>	You can get the hours and get the minutes, and use #expr to combine them.
[17:19:48] <NicDumZ>	Nikerabbit, depends on how many applications we get, I guess. but I think that last year only brion helped?!
[17:19:50] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, we seem to have three volunteers so far.
[17:19:55] <Nikerabbit>	mmm
[17:20:11] <Nikerabbit>	I wonder if I could try to be on the mentor side next year
[17:20:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17731  +comment (10jeluf)
[17:20:38] <Danwe>	but times like 44:30 never wont work with #time because 44 hours a day is not possible
[17:20:51] <Danwe>	it's not a valid day time
[17:21:06] <NicDumZ>	oh. What project will you try that year Nikerabbit ?
[17:21:09] <NicDumZ>	this.
[17:21:36] <Nikerabbit>	NicDumZ: improving translatewiki
[17:21:36] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Allow arguments to pass into <inputbox> search fields? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18036  +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:21:36] <Simetrical>	Danwe, yes, as I said, there's no real support for interval-based computation.
[17:22:16] <NicDumZ>	weehee
[17:22:29] <NicDumZ>	I think I'll have a look at cython this year.
[17:22:41] <NicDumZ>	some pretty nifty hacks to write overthere.
[17:22:42] <Danwe>	hm ok so I will use a regex to split the hours and minutes and then calculate the total minutes to divide them
[17:22:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restrict missingsummary to configurable namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18052  (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[17:23:00] <Nikerabbit>	NicDumZ: what does it do?
[17:23:48] <Danwe>	minutes to hours:minutes is no problem with modolu in expr
[17:24:25] <NicDumZ>	Nikerabbit, http://cython.org/ it's a try to extend python to write easily C extensions. Extended python code is translated into C, and compiled. Nothing to do with MW :)
[17:24:37] <Nikerabbit>	I guessed that much
[17:25:14] <Nikerabbit>	NicDumZ: that sounds very interesting alternative for one of my projects
[17:25:50] <NicDumZ>	I want to make sure that cython is an extension of python, aka make sure that all python constructs are supported.
[17:26:00] <NicDumZ>	ohoh? which project?
[17:26:12] <Simetrical>	I want to write more stuff in Python.
[17:26:23] <Simetrical>	I always end up using PHP for web stuff, and bash for maintenance scripts.
[17:26:34] <NicDumZ>	I stumbled upon cython because folks at my lab used it to include C libs, to compute faster
[17:27:20] <NicDumZ>	(implementing a full C system is not always very interesting to do, specially for a proof of concept)
[17:27:40] <NicDumZ>	I wish more people were motivated to work on pywikipedia rewrite ^
[17:28:37] <NicDumZ>	it's going great, the rewrite is now written cleanly, and uses API everywhere. We just need more input from bot devs ;)
[17:28:40] <brion>	our gsoc was a bit understaffed last year :D
[17:28:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Norwegian Wiktionary logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17739  +comment (10jeluf)
[17:30:07] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48635 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/isolation.py: 
[17:30:07] <CIA-60>	Import the installed function... testing, what's that?
[17:30:07] <CIA-60>	<ducks>
[17:30:23] <Nikerabbit>	NicDumZ: just one hobby project which has to do with language
[17:30:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Moving edits incomplete and stalled after renaming a user on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17313  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:30:50] <NicDumZ>	I see..
[17:35:22] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48636 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/isolation.py: Next time, remind me to test %-)
[17:36:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:40:25] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Set logo for Simple English Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17853  +comment (10jeluf)
[17:41:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Special:Import on se-chapter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15065  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:41:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pre-save transform skips extensions using wikitext (gallery, references, pipe trick, subst, signatures) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2700  (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:42:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configure backend web servers to send css/js files gzip-compressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15154  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:45:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add code used for template vandalism to wgSpamRegex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15190  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:48:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blank lines at the end of global robots.txt cause syntax problems when MediaWiki:Robots.txt is appended - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15663  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:49:44] <brion>	http://leuksman.com/log/2009/03/20/epic-sort-fail/
[17:50:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide EPUB sanitizer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17858  -shell ; summary; +comment (10jeluf)
[17:50:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Input box does not generate correct URL containing ampersand - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15564  (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:50:47] <MrZ-man>	brion: you haz a typo - "memory hard"
[17:50:56] <brion>	hawt
[17:51:05] *brion 	corrects
[17:51:08] <brion>	spell checker my ass
[17:51:53] <Nikerabbit>	evening
[17:53:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recalculate statistic data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15779  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[17:53:15] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} is broken. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15746  (10mikelifeguard)
[17:53:35] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) noinclude not working while includeonly does with pages to be preloaded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17723  +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:53:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) preload parser should parse <noinclude> (as well as <includeonly>) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5210  +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:54:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide EPUB sanitizer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17858  +comment (10brion)
[17:55:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add code used for template vandalism to wgSpamRegex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15190  (10mrzmanwiki)
[17:56:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create "Wikijunior" namespace on Polish Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17818  +comment (10jeluf)
[17:57:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Users allowed to see edits via revisionDeleted should be allowed to see diffs involving the edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18068 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (FT2.wiki)
[17:58:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users allowed to see edits via revisionDeleted should be allowed to see diffs involving the edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18068  15enhancement->normal (10FT2.wiki)
[17:59:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable the prevent talk page editing feature on blocked editors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15828  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:00:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users allowed to see edits via RevisionDeleted should be allowed to see diffs involving the edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18068  summary; +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[18:02:05] <CIA-60>	03philip * r48637 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[18:03:23] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48638 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/installfiles/extensions/MetavidWiki.install/ (8 files): Commit gerards work on metavidwiki (may still need further work)
[18:04:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create portal namespace for kmwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16022  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:06:49] <CIA-60>	03kim * r48639 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/ (installer.py installer_util.py): 
[18:06:49] <CIA-60>	Add command "exit" as alias for "quit". For people
[18:06:49] <CIA-60>	who kept mixing that up :-P
[18:09:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Wanted* - purge link tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16112  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:10:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CSS valid code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18069 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (ste.coda)
[18:13:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mms protocol as URL on hrwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16566  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:15:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install RandomRootPage on Wikibooks and Wikisources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16655  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:16:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add Pagluluto: namespace to tlwikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16446  +comment (10jeluf)
[18:20:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for zh.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17987  +comment (10jeluf)
[18:22:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide statistics about how many books/PDFs have been created/ordered through the Collection extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17192  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:22:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false; for rmwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17338  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[18:23:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false; for rmwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17338  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:23:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AbuseFilter log pages need an extra "navigation table" and links, at the top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18070 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (FT2.wiki)
[18:25:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install PageNotice and ImageSizeInfoFunctions extensions for mlwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17426  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:26:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change namespace names for arzwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17464  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[18:26:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create Appendix namespace on Spanish Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17699  +comment (10jeluf)
[18:27:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter log pages need an extra "navigation table" and links, at the top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18070  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[18:28:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table cleanup (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16660  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:28:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run 'fix redirects' for nl.wikipedia (possibly more sites need it) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17476  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:29:07] *Danny_B 	found really weird parsing bug which cuts out the entire page
[18:29:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add Cookbook as a content namespace on Serbian Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15282  +comment (10jeluf)
[18:30:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:RecentChanges returns a php error on usability.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17509  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:30:36] <Danny_B>	http://cs.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pes_domaci&oldid=3752457 it renders only first line while source contains many lines
[18:33:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Duplicate rows in externallinks table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9900  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:33:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table cleanup (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16660  (10mikelifeguard)
[18:35:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Pseudo-Namespace on Korean Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15880  +comment (10jeluf)
[18:36:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Norwegian Wiktionary logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17739  (10v85.wikipedia)
[18:39:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transfer of Mot�: lemmata from wa.wiki to wa.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17547  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RecentChanges returns a php error on usability.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17509  (10tparscal)
[18:42:04] <staffwaterboy>	 would anyone know how to modfiy this so that it would disppaly the user who is using the template http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Staffwaterboy/Welcome
[18:42:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable CentralNotice on private/fishbowl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17718  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:43:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set import sources for enwiki's ArbCom wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17730  summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:43:46] <Marybelle>	Simetrical: Since you were discussing bash variables...
[18:43:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter log pages need an extra "navigation table" and links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18070  summary (10FT2.wiki)
[18:44:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter log pages need an extra "navigation table" and links, for useability and ease of review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18070  summary (10FT2.wiki)
[18:44:30] <Marybelle>	Simetrical: Do you know of a way to easily escape text in a variable? Is sed the best option? Like turning "Foo bar" into "Foo\ bar" so it won't break my ln -s shortcut.
[18:44:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install Labeled Section Transclusion for dewikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17773  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[18:44:57] <staffwaterboy>	?hello
[18:44:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter log pages need an extra "navigation table" and log links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18070  summary (10FT2.wiki)
[18:45:01] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, ln -s "$foo" "$bar"
[18:45:47] <Marybelle>	Sim: mkpub () { ln -s "$HOME/Downloads/$1" $HOME/Downloads/public ; }
[18:46:05] <Marybelle>	Sometimes $1 contains spaces, so if I don't paste escaped text, it breaks. :-(
[18:46:52] <Simetrical>	No it doesn't.
[18:46:57] <Simetrical>	:)
[18:48:07] <staffwaterboy>	qestion
[18:48:08] <Marybelle>	mzmcbride@oscar:Downloads$ mkpub Elvis Presley
[18:48:17] <Marybelle>	That makes a symlink for Elvis in my public directory. 
[18:48:21] <Marybelle>	Silly spaces.
[18:48:30] <Marybelle>	!ask | staffwaterboy 
[18:48:30] --mwbot--	staffwaterboy: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[18:48:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Review/Enable GlobalUsage extension to supplement/replace CheckUsage toolserver tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18059  -shell ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[18:49:02] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, this works fine. bash -c 'ln -s "$1" foo' xyz abc\ def
[18:49:43] <staffwaterboy>	!ask   would anyone know how to modfiy this so that it would disppaly the user who is using the template http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Staffwaterboy/Welcome
[18:49:43] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[18:49:45] <Marybelle>	'cause you're escaping the space manually. 
[18:49:56] <Marybelle>	I was looking for a way to have it do that automatically.
[18:50:31] <staffwaterboy>	would anyone know how to modfiy this so that it would disppaly the user who is using the template http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Staffwaterboy/Welcome
[18:50:37] <staffwaterboy>	sorry bout that
[18:50:39] <Marybelle>	staffwaterboy: Like a {{USERNAME}} variable for the current user?
[18:50:46] <staffwaterboy>	kinda
[18:50:49] <staffwaterboy>	i think so
[18:50:54] <Marybelle>	Not possible.
[18:51:01] <staffwaterboy>	feel free to modfiy it and try anything
[18:51:43] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, you mean like: ln -s "$HOME/Downloads/$@" $HOME/Downloads/public
[18:52:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Collection extension on svwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18023  summary (10mikelifeguard)
[18:52:40] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[18:52:52] <Mike||sick>	well, that's all the shell bugs :)
[18:53:07] <Marybelle>	Heh. That made Elvis and Presley in /public
[18:53:19] <Simetrical>	Yeah, something wrong here.
[18:53:35] <Simetrical>	"$@" is supposed to escape everything properly.
[18:53:59] <Simetrical>	Try "$*" instead.
[18:55:10] <Marybelle>	Works. Thanks! :-)
[18:56:46] <Simetrical>	I think I confused $@ and $* . . .
[18:57:11] <Simetrical>	Marybelle, http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Special-Parameters
[18:57:46] <Simetrical>	Oh, right, that's exactly the opposite of what you want.
[18:58:09] <Simetrical>	I was confusing needs, not what things do.
[18:59:07] *Marybelle 	bookmarks page.
[18:59:23] *Simetrical 	doesn't need to, uses the Awesome Bar
[18:59:44] <Marybelle>	History doesn't last forever. I just click the little blue star. ;-)
[19:00:55] <Simetrical>	Does too last forever.
[19:01:01] <Simetrical>	But oh, yeah, the little star.
[19:01:02] <Simetrical>	Never used that.
[19:01:42] <zaher>	hi
[19:01:55] <zaher>	I want host
[19:02:05] <Reedy>	sorry?
[19:02:16] <zaher>	web server to setup
[19:02:24] <zaher>	media wiki
[19:02:35] <zaher>	free host
[19:04:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wanted Page entry: Invalid title in result set; - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18071 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (desertwolf)
[19:06:22] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) Run refreshLinks.php on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16658  +comment (10brion)
[19:10:34] <Marybelle>	18071 is a dupe of something.
[19:17:35] <Nikerabbit>	hi VasilievVV 
[19:18:40] <VasilievVV>	hi Nikerabbit
[19:22:58] <markisoke>	Nows anyone how i can put an javascript on a page?
[19:23:38] <Nikerabbit>	use some of the extensions that allow it
[19:28:23] <mvatki>	Does anyone have experience with the Farmer extension?
[19:28:54] <Nikerabbit>	mvatki: not maintained recently
[19:29:22] <mvatki>	what do you mean by that?
[19:31:12] <Nikerabbit>	mvatki: might be hard to get support for it
[19:31:40] <mvatki>	well, I'm interested in creating a "family" of wikis.
[19:31:58] <Nikerabbit>	basically you can do that without the extension too
[19:32:17] <mvatki>	maybe a wikimedia style system would be better?
[19:32:23] <Nikerabbit>	it is up to you
[19:32:34] <Nikerabbit>	for all means, you should try the extension if it works for you
[19:33:18] <mvatki>	I've tried it but I can't figure out for instance how to access the daughter wikis.
[19:34:27] <ahmed-araby>	hi all how to set the default theme
[19:36:01] <Nikerabbit>	$wgDefaultSkin = 'monobook';
[19:37:04] <mvatki>	I was hoping to set up a system that would be easy to administrate for end-users who won 
[19:37:14] <mvatki>	't touch code etc
[19:38:05] <Nikerabbit>	mvatki: administrate all wikies?
[19:38:24] <Nikerabbit>	hi Danny_B
[19:38:32] <mvatki>	yes
[19:39:26] <Danny_B>	hi Nikerabbit. i was just restarting...;-)
[19:41:40] <mvatki>	also I'm wanting to achieve a centralized login like wikimedia uses
[19:54:19] <ovver3>	hi can someone delete a picture for me?
[19:54:35] <ovver3>	can someone delete a picture for me?
[19:54:49] <ovver3>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Acid2passedonSafari.jpg
[19:54:58] <Reedy>	ovver3, try #wikimedia-commons
[19:55:10] <ovver3>	oh, wrong channel
[19:55:15] <ovver3>	sry
[19:55:17] <ovver3>	:S
[19:58:44] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48640 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (ConfirmAccount_body.php RequestAccount_body.php): action/title param cleanup
[19:58:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:RequestAccount form post results in BadTitle page (ConfirmAccount Extension) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18053  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:59:40] <AaronSchulz>	opps
[19:59:42] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special:RequestAccount form post results in BadTitle page (ConfirmAccount Extension) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18053  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:07:35] <markisoke>	Can i use javascript on a article
[20:08:16] <Marybelle>	Sure.
[20:09:10] <markisoke>	How
[20:12:20] <Marybelle>	You have to define it in the wiki pages like MediaWiki:Common.js or MediaWiki:Monobook.js
[20:12:37] <Marybelle>	if { wgPageName == "Main_Page" } {
[20:14:01] <Marco27>	Sorry, where I can download MySQL for MediaWiki?
[20:15:00] <Simetrical>	Argh, it's already 4.
[20:15:36] <Simetrical>	Marco27, MySQL is a totally separate program.  If you have a web server, it's probably already installed.  If not, on Linux you should install it with your package manager; on Windows you should use something like XAMPP.
[20:16:30] <Marco27>	Simetrical: On Windows don't I use MySQL???
[20:18:29] <Marco27>	Simetrical: Because in Installation Manual is write MySQL...
[20:19:51] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48641 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (bug 17831) Go ahead and hide where the username appears as needed. Also, don't let admins accidentally undo the blocks.
[20:19:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) wpHideName should hide the username more effectively - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17831  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:21:59] <CIA-60>	03midom * r48642 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php: Every time someone relies on equality propagation, god kills a kitten
[20:22:06] <Mike||sick>	sweeet
[20:25:11] <AaronSchulz>	domas: hey, equality propagation is awesome!
[20:25:43] <Simetrical>	Marco27, yes.  You want to install something like XAMPP.  That includes MySQL.
[20:26:13] <Marco27>	Ok, thanks Simetrical :-DD !!!
[20:32:45] <domas>	AaronSchulz: why the heck does ArchivedFile::load not use indexes =)
[20:32:54] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48643 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialBlockip.php: bolden username hiding option
[20:33:49] <AaronSchulz>	domas: I don't see how it couldn't
[20:34:06] <AaronSchulz>	the three possible conds have indexes
[20:35:25] <domas>	AaronSchulz: nope
[20:35:26] <domas>	AaronSchulz:  KEY `fa_storage_group` (`fa_storage_group`,`fa_storage_key`),
[20:35:34] <domas>	AaronSchulz: the condition was just for key, no group specification
[20:36:11] <AaronSchulz>	bah, the group should always be 'deleted'
[20:39:29] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48644 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ArchivedFile.php: Add missing group cond to query
[20:39:35] <AaronSchulz>	domas: fixed
[20:41:52] <domas>	AaronSchulz: <3
[20:45:26] <CIA-60>	03ashley * r48645 10/trunk/extensions/SpamRegex/ (4 files): 
[20:45:26] <CIA-60>	spamRegex:
[20:45:26] <CIA-60>	*minor cleanup
[20:45:26] <CIA-60>	*remove unused globals
[20:45:26] <CIA-60>	*mark visibility of some functions
[20:45:27] <CIA-60>	*add myself & ialex to authors
[20:45:29] <CIA-60>	*bump version number
[20:45:33] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48646 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/includes/filerepo/ArchivedFile.php: Backported r48644
[20:46:26] <domas>	hehehehe
[20:46:30] <domas>	someone said we don't log enough!
[20:46:31] <domas>	http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log
[20:46:32] <domas>	;-)
[20:57:16] <markisoke>	Can anyone help me to put a javascript on my article?
[20:57:55] <Splarka>	!js
[20:57:55] --mwbot--	To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (NOT a file, a page on your wiki, which is included via <script>) as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /monobook.js (assuming your skin is monobook) subpage of your userpage.
[20:58:51] <markisoke>	Ok, how i put that on an article
[20:59:54] <domas>	create an extension for that!
[21:01:16] <Splarka>	markisoke: it'll be on every page load, just restrict it in an if(wgPageName == "") {}
[21:06:16] <Subfader>	how make syntax highlighting work as on mediawiki? Couldn't find any related extension other than SyntaxHighlight GeSHi
[21:06:27] <chuck>	why not GeSHi?
[21:06:39] <Subfader>	cos it's not the same
[21:06:47] <Mike_lifeguard>	the same as what?
[21:07:19] <Subfader>	when I use the source tag. the highlighting is not the same on ym wiki with SyntaxHighlight GeSHi installed
[21:09:25] *Mike_lifeguard 	O-o
[21:09:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	Syntax highlighting with GeSHi is not the same as syntax highlighting with ______.
[21:10:23] <Splarka>	Wikimedia uses a very old version of GeSHi
[21:10:39] <Mike_lifeguard>	ok, so WMF's version of GeSHi
[21:10:46] <Splarka>	the extension just shells out to the program itself, so even using the same version of the extension, doesn't mean you're using the same version of GeSHi
[21:10:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	well, you can use an old version if you want :)
[21:11:03] <Splarka>	you probably mean the missing border on the <pre> ?
[21:11:15] <Subfader>	wait I think te only difference is my change of the pre tag in common css ;)
[21:11:30] <Subfader>	i didn't mean wmf though
[21:11:58] <Splarka>	the problem is, as far as I can tell, the GeSHi extension purposefully suppresses the <pre> tag, but it doesn't work in the old version
[21:12:14] <Splarka>	so everyone sees the borders on WMF's hilight, and thinks that's normal
[21:12:30] <Splarka>	/s/everyone/someone
[21:13:29] <Subfader>	so happened to me :)
[21:13:42] <Splarka>	and there is no way to "fix" this
[21:13:57] <Splarka>	because there is no single class you could put the border back on
[21:13:58] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16324
[21:14:07] <Subfader>	it's no problem. a note on the extension page may help avoiding confusion
[21:15:12] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension_talk:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi&diff=239237&oldid=238642
[21:15:46] <Subfader>	i just though i miss an additional component cos this http://www.mixesdb.com/dbTest/index.php/User:MDB/test.css looks very differnt to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Subfader/monobook.css
[21:16:23] <Splarka>	this is in the header CSS created by the geshi extension, for example:
[21:16:23] <Splarka>	.source-html4strict li, .source-html4strict pre {
[21:16:23] <Splarka>		line-height: normal; border: 0px none white;
[21:16:23] <Splarka>	}
[21:16:44] <Splarka>	but then you scroll down and see:
[21:16:44] <Splarka>	<pre class="source-html4strict">
[21:16:53] <Splarka>	so it never actually gets applied
[21:17:02] <Splarka>	in  newer versions of GeSHi, that class is moved to a div outside the <pre>
[21:17:46] <Subfader>	ok will remove my old css change to pre. 
[21:20:54] <Splarka>	bah, no nstab accesskey in Extension/Manual
[21:22:08] <Splarka>	Marybelle: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:accesskey-ca-nstab-manual?action=edit  and  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:accesskey-ca-nstab-extension?action=edit  with content 'c' please
[21:22:23] *Splarka 	puts a quarter in and pushes "Do"
[21:22:52] <Marybelle>	Done.
[21:23:05] <Splarka>	<3
[21:23:20] <Splarka>	ta
[21:23:25] <Marybelle>	No problem.
[21:23:34] <Marybelle>	Now, get someone to give you +sysop. :P
[21:48:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Wiktionary" is a bad interwiki prefix on ukwiktionary and mlwiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17898  (10lejonel)
[21:57:03] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r48647 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he.
[22:00:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Adding interwikis with drag'n'drop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18072 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Eugene.Zelenko)
[22:00:18] <TrevorParscal>	seems like there is more than one captcha solution for mediawiki, can anyone recommend one for use on usability.wikimedia.org sites (we are getting some automated vandalism on our sandbox wiki)
[22:01:13] <Splarka>	hmm
[22:01:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Adding interwikis with drag'n'drop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18072  (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[22:01:26] <Splarka>	is one goal of usability going to be accessability?
[22:01:27] <TrevorParscal>	ConfirmEdit looks good?
[22:01:51] <TrevorParscal>	Splarka: yes, but also data integrity :)
[22:02:04] <Splarka>	there is an elephant in the room and its name is "someone needs to write an open source and unproprietary audio captcha that isn't easily crackable"
[22:02:43] <Splarka>	so using the graphical captcha might defeat usability a bit
[22:03:05] <TrevorParscal>	we're willing to make that consession
[22:03:41] <TrevorParscal>	assuming audio support isn't very accessible btw
[22:04:07] *TrevorParscal 	uses ConfirmEdit
[22:04:28] <Splarka>	heh
[22:05:12] <Splarka>	you'll need the FancyCaptcha addon for graphics
[22:07:57] <Splarka>	oh, btw, that elephant's name is kinda a mouth full, so we call him "bug 4845" for short
[22:14:11] <TimStarling>	I don't think it will be easy to make an audio captcha that's not easily crackable
[22:14:15] <Splarka>	heh Marybelle: I used to think mediawiki.org was well organized and planned out ahead of time, and every sysop chosen for integrity and assigned specific tasks and documentation creation areas, but lately it just looks more like "oh, our documentation sucks, since devs don't find it interesting" "I know, lets make a wiki for it, let the peasants do it" "who should be a sysop there?" "I dunno, anyone with commit access I guess"
[22:14:51] <TimStarling>	if you use a dictionary of recorded sounds, then you can use FFT cross-correlation to crack it
[22:15:07] <TimStarling>	it seems that will defeat just about any amount of mixing
[22:15:20] <Marybelle>	Splarka: Some aspects of it were well-planned.
[22:15:32] <Splarka>	Tim: I remember once you came in and said "I'm gonna make an audio captcha, it'll be easy!" and the next day "this will be impossible, there is a service where you can call a number and hold your phone by some music and it'll tell you the song title"
[22:15:33] <Marybelle>	But, for example, I have +sysop and I can't write a line of PHP.
[22:15:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	TrevorParscal: Do those wikis have channels on irc.wikimedia.org?
[22:15:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	Could see about monitoring them if it's a problem
[22:16:06] <Marybelle>	Oh, someone finally noticed the mess at sandbox.usability ?
[22:16:16] <TrevorParscal>	sa
[22:16:21] <TrevorParscal>	*que....
[22:16:35] <TrevorParscal>	um... irc.wikimedia.org ? I'm on freenode...
[22:17:04] <Mike_lifeguard>	right, most of our wikis have a channel on irc.wikimedia.org which broadcasts recentchanges
[22:17:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	there are some missing, but that's an error
[22:17:13] <Splarka>	Tim: how about the ultimate audio encryption: australian accent!
[22:17:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	private wikis don't, obviously, but those wikis are public
[22:17:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	if you do that, then we can (maybe) get our IRC bots to monitor the wikis
[22:17:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create board-elections-2009 mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18029  (10brion)
[22:19:28] <TrevorParscal>	Mike_lifeguard: wow - right on, I wasn't even aware of that going on :)
[22:19:36] <TrevorParscal>	perhaps that would be cool... I will look into it
[22:19:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Adding interwikis with drag'n'drop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18072  +comment (10brion)
[22:19:42] <Splarka>	can usability use that?
[22:20:06] <Mike_lifeguard>	use irc rc feeds? don't see why not -- might be a bit complex to setup though
[22:20:16] <Splarka>	it can't use Central Auth can it, is it hosted in a cluster that can send to the IRC feeds?
[22:20:16] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'm sure trevor is a bright lad who can figure it out though :D
[22:20:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	(and while he's there maybe I can persuade him to fix the missing channels XD )
[22:20:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Wiktionary" is a bad interwiki prefix on ukwiktionary and mlwiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17898  +comment (10brion)
[22:30:34] *TrevorParscal 	is now using reCaptcha
[22:38:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	fancy
[22:38:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inline rendering/thumbnailing for Gimp XCF images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17959  +comment (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[22:41:50] <brion>	tomaszf: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:WikiExpire/Proposal
[22:42:04] <tomaszf>	thanks
[22:49:05] <zrh>	Hi again! Another question: What's the most efficient way to get the full URL of the current wiki page by using PHP?
[22:49:45] <brion>	$wgTitle->getFullUrl()
[22:50:16] <TrevorParscal>	and make sure you global $wgTitle inside the function first!
[22:50:29] <zrh>	brion, TrevorParscal: Thanks!
[23:07:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Adding interwikis with drag'n'drop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18072  (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[23:09:19] <rofldaniel>	Hey, can I get the attention of someone who knows how to get ParserExtensions working?
[23:13:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inline rendering/thumbnailing for Gimp XCF images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17959  (10mikelifeguard)
[23:16:14] <GerardM->	brion there is one extension that is life on Wikipedia that I cannot install.. it is OAIRepository it seems to me only to be useful when an OAI database exists. Is that correct ?
[23:16:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inline rendering/thumbnailing for Gimp XCF images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17959  +comment (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[23:16:56] <brion>	GerardM-: OAIRepository provides an OAI-PMH repository (server) interface which OAI-PMH harvesters (clients) can use to fetch the current version of articles
[23:17:10] <brion>	we've used it for our live feed service, but it's awkward for most users and it's kind of being phased out
[23:17:57] <p858snake>	brion: did anyone ever test the file renaming/moving system on videos/audio to see if it broke the players?
[23:17:58] <GerardM->	I have not tested it, but this should be a good Wikipedia envrironment .. http://fosdem.wikiation.nl/revisions/WMF_testsystem/index.php/Special:Version
[23:18:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inline rendering/thumbnailing for Gimp XCF images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17959  (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[23:18:39] <GerardM->	the extensions install clean
[23:19:23] <brion>	p858snake: shouldn't be any way for it to break them other than just happening to break the file. it doesn't care what type of file it is
[23:19:46] <GerardM->	<grin> testing this is nice... it breaks
[23:23:40] <Splarka>	brion: have all the media players been tested against file redirects though? heh
[23:36:59] <brion>	Splarka: they wouldn't use file redirects, they'd use the actual file
[23:37:11] <brion>	i'm sure you're capable of testing it if you like though :)
[23:37:53] <Splarka>	nope, not capable
[23:38:06] <Splarka>	no java, on dialup ^_^
[23:38:18] <brion>	hmmm
[23:38:19] <Splarka>	but when embedded, is the redirect transparent enough that they can use it properly?
[23:38:37] <brion>	so we've got $wgHTTPProxy which Http::request() uses (if using CURL)
[23:38:42] <p858snake>	brion: but wouldn't the player need to understand that it's a redirect to transfer to it?
[23:39:03] <brion>	Splarka: as far as i know it's fine which is why i've said so multiple times. why are you asking me over and over?
[23:39:09] <brion>	p858snake: see above
[23:39:24] <brion>	the player would never be given a redirect to begin with
[23:39:38] <brion>	if any of you have a specific reason to believe otherwise, please go test it
[23:39:44] <brion>	then come back and ask follow-up
[23:39:55] <Splarka>	brion: just askin, and you said "they wouldn't use file redirects", except they'd have to when embedded, if the media moved, so it was confusing
[23:40:10] <brion>	sigh
[23:40:21] <brion>	no they wouldn't use the redirects. they'd be given the dereferenced file.
[23:40:31] <brion>	given that URL, they play it
[23:40:34] <brion>	that URL is the actual file
[23:40:37] <brion>	it's not a redirect
[23:40:40] <Splarka>	that last one wasn't a question ^_^
[23:40:50] <brion>	ok back to productive-land :D
[23:40:53] *Splarka 	lags
[23:41:00] <brion>	$wgHTTPProxy is used for Http::request() (with CURL)
[23:41:15] <brion>	but Special:Upload's upload-by-URL does its own CURL and doesn't think to use it
[23:41:48] <brion>	HTTP fetches that get counted as "local" will go to a hardcoded localhost:80 instead of the proxy for Http::fetch...
[23:41:57] <brion>	but that would *not* include, say, hits to the search server
[23:42:08] <brion>	we don't want to put the *local* search server hits through a proxy to the outside world
[23:42:15] *brion 	stabs hateness at HTTP proxying
[23:46:36] <zrh>	Bye all, good night, thanks for your help!
[23:49:25] <brion>	considering adding $wgHTTPExternalProxy :P
[23:49:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable AbuseFilter on Polish Wikipedia (pl.wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18073 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (danny.leinad)
[23:51:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable AbuseFilter on Polish Wikipedia (pl.wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18073  (10brion)
[23:51:27] <flaif>	Is it possible to lock pages with a wildcard *? All pages that start with "Blockme" are not editable/creatable? 
[23:51:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	using title blacklist, yes
[23:52:32] <brion>	hmm, maybe the thing to do is to have the search override the proxy
[23:53:38] <flaif>	Mike_lifeguard: Thanks, looking at that now.
[23:55:23] <Splarka>	flaif: you can also protect whole namespaces without an extension needed
[23:56:25] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceProtection