[00:00:05] <Prodego>	Thogo: naa, I get to see enough vandalism
[00:00:09] <Splarka>	heh, you could change the logo saying "counter vandalism unit" to "vandalism counter unit"
[00:00:10] <Thogo>	:p
[00:00:11] <brion-weekend>	hehe
[00:00:19] <Prodego>	I was just testing the repeatability of that experiment
[00:00:26] <Thogo>	fail. ;)
[00:00:40] <brion-weekend>	hah http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan_removing_vandalism.PNG
[00:00:51] <Thogo>	ok, thanks for the quick decrapping. Bye!
[00:00:52] <werdna>	brion-weekend: that thing has always freaked me out
[00:00:57] <werdna>	seriously guise
[00:01:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Send filter hits and changes to irc.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18080  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[00:01:13] <brion-weekend>	werdna: you prefer http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Conservape-tan.png ?
[00:01:18] *werdna 	logs out and blanks a page for the purposes of SCIENCE
[00:01:30] <Splarka>	"she blanked me with science"
[00:02:00] <p858snake>	hmm there was one with the tan holding a sheild with the anti-vandlism unit logo on it awhile ago
[00:02:16] <Splarka>	should be in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipe-tan
[00:02:32] <brion-weekend>	wtf http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan,The_New_Brush_That_Sweeps_Clean.JPG
[00:02:48] <Prodego>	more wtf... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe_tan_wearing_a_bikini_by_Kasuga39.png
[00:03:48] <brion-weekend>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan_trifecta_sign.png :D
[00:04:00] <domas>	hahaha
[00:04:08] <werdna>	brion-weekend: ok that's freaky
[00:04:14] <brion-weekend>	aaaaah wtf http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ironie_wikipe-tan.png
[00:06:47] <domas>	lol
[00:06:49] <domas>	shiftjis-art
[00:06:58] <domas>	now I'm amused
[00:08:31] <werdna>	brion-weekend: huh. It won't let me click "Thumbnail" for 'size' when inserting that picture
[00:08:52] <brion-weekend>	werdna: sometimes it's a little funky :)
[00:09:00] <werdna>	brion-weekend: bah
[00:09:08] <brion-weekend>	note that wordpress only seems to like to do client-side scaling
[00:09:19] <brion-weekend>	but you can change the client-side size after you've added it
[00:09:35] <Splarka>	brion: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20090121201910&limit=18&user=Jimbo+Wales&type=delete&month=&year=
[00:10:13] <brion-weekend>	ewwwwwwwww
[00:10:23] <brion-weekend>	there's prolly a gig of those on 4chan
[00:11:20] <werdna>	brion-weekend: how does this look -- http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/03/abuse-filter-activated-on-english-wikipedia/
[00:11:31] <brion-weekend>	awesome
[00:11:33] <werdna>	I scaled the picture to 242x200
[00:11:40] <werdna>	post it?
[00:11:50] <brion-weekend>	go for it!
[00:11:55] <brion-weekend>	woop
[00:11:59] <brion-weekend>	yer talk page link is still bugged
[00:12:24] <werdna>	whoa wat
[00:12:33] <brion-weekend>	http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/03/abuse-filter-activated-on-english-wikipedia/Werdna
[00:13:42] <werdna>	I'm more worried about the front page
[00:13:42] <werdna>	http://techblog.wikimedia.org/
[00:13:43] <werdna>	wtf
[00:14:40] <brion-weekend>	i've just changed the theme btw : http://techblog.wikimedia.org/
[00:15:06] <werdna>	ah that's better
[00:15:06] <werdna>	yeah
[00:15:21] <werdna>	that thing on the right makes me WTF
[00:15:32] <brion-weekend>	the... sidebar?
[00:15:40] <werdna>	the blogroll
[00:15:49] <werdna>	it like pokes up into the area above
[00:15:50] <werdna>	weird
[00:21:05] <[gww]poke>	Hi, I have a question. I wrote an extension and want to publish it now. Is it possible to get the code onto the MediaWiki SVN somehow or do I need to host it on my own somewhere?
[00:21:37] <werdna>	what kind of extension?
[00:21:52] <[gww]poke>	it's a special page extension
[00:23:04] <[gww]poke>	it lists all images and templates used on a specified page to ensure that you can access for example the image description page properly when using images with link=sometitle
[00:25:10] <p858snake>	shouldn't archives andsuch be the same width of the blogroll
[00:30:14] <werdna>	brion-weekend: btw domas suggested I do some fixup of user preferences. Do you think that's worth me having a poke at?
[00:30:51] <Atmosfear>	is there some type of forum or other place i can go to get questions solved? troubleshooting mediawiki is frustratingly difficult
[00:30:53] <p858snake>	werdna: you mean http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Deficits_of_the_current_preferences_system ?
[00:31:05] <p858snake>	Atmosfear: what issues are you having?
[00:31:29] <werdna>	basically data normalisation, getting out of the user row so that table fits in ram, removing defaults, etc
[00:31:38] <werdna>	I think TimStarling was involved in the discussion too
[00:32:04] <Atmosfear>	I'm getting page hangs and ultimately internal server errors (premature end of script) when trying to view "Image:imagename.jpg" pages
[00:32:08] <werdna>	I can probably think about fixing up the preferences form. The class-based approach that Roan suggested is what I had in mind.
[00:32:22] <Atmosfear>	the uploaded files are on my server just fine
[00:32:25] <Atmosfear>	and i can direct link
[00:32:50] <Atmosfear>	the upload itself seems to work sometimes, and certain files can be accessed without a problem, but others always hang
[00:33:59] <p858snake>	check your logs for your image render system usally either GD or Imagemagik
[00:34:19] <Atmosfear>	where can i find those?
[00:35:54] <p858snake>	what os are you running on the server?
[00:36:16] <Atmosfear>	linux
[00:36:29] <Atmosfear>	its shared hosting through dreamhost at the moment
[00:37:28] <brion-weekend>	werdna: it needs doing at some point :D
[00:39:13] <werdna>	brion-weekend: heh, I'll get to it at some point
[00:39:25] <werdna>	got to implement a few gajillion abusefilter things first
[00:39:35] <werdna>	will probably have a schema change to do.
[00:39:44] <werdna>	(for abusefilter)
[00:40:01] <werdna>	I'll try to bundle all the features needing a schma change into one patch
[00:43:56] <[gww]poke>	werdna: So is it possible to get SVN access for own extensions, or do you have to be a mw developer for that?
[00:45:08] <p858snake>	you don't have to be, theres a couple on there
[00:45:41] <[gww]poke>	that's basically why I'm asking :P So how do you actually get access then? ^^
[00:46:14] <werdna>	poke brion-weekend 
[00:46:34] <werdna>	he will probably tell you to mail a certain address which I can't remember.
[00:46:39] <p858snake>	s/poke/bribe
[00:47:42] <Atmosfear>	p858snake is there no hope for me?
[00:47:54] <p858snake>	yes just poke brion alot
[00:47:54] <werdna>	Atmosfear: I've heard good things about dreamhost
[00:48:14] <werdna>	Atmosfear: but generally your description of the problem isn't specific enough for us to nail anything down
[00:48:46] <[gww]poke>	Maybe it is a problem on the server side, so asking your support maybe helps already
[00:53:18] <Atmosfear>	werdna what further information do you need and where can i get it?
[00:58:48] <p858snake>	i would check those error logs like i suggested but i have no idea where they are kept normally
[01:09:38] <[gww]poke>	okay, I'll come back tomorrow and continue to poke him ;)
[01:09:40] <[gww]poke>	good night!
[01:11:13] <pist0l-fish>	hi all, how can I disallow guests (visitors without accounts) from editing pages?
[01:12:04] <mvatki>	you can read about it here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[01:12:11] <pist0l-fish>	mvatki: thanks
[01:40:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Several channels missing from irc.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13646  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:41:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow ZIP CAPAB on irc.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14652  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:42:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Upload Image from Remote Location - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6366  +comment (10webmaster)
[01:42:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide timestamps in IRC RC feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17305  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:42:47] <mvatki>	I've been trying to install the central auth extension on mw 1.14.0. I followed the instructions at mediawiki.org but when I navigate to Special:SpecialPages or try to login, I'm met with (Can't contact the database server: Access denied for user 'wikiuse'@'localhost' to database 'centralauth' (localhost)). 
[01:43:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) irc.wikimedia.org should not allow private messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17470   +shell; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:43:04] <werdna>	grant all on centralauth.* to wikiuse@localhost;
[01:43:16] <mvatki>	I've checked to make sure that wikiuse has permission to access centralauth.
[01:43:35] <mvatki>	*over and over again but it doesn't seem to make a difference
[01:43:42] <werdna>	make sure it's wikiuse@localhost
[01:43:49] <werdna>	granting to wikiuse won't work
[01:44:33] <mvatki>	I'll look at it again
[01:46:06] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Simple way of retrieving different language-version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2463  -bot-interface ; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:47:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Deprecate bot-interface keyword - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18108 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (mikelifeguard)
[01:50:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Circular redirects not caught between wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:51:04] <mvatki>	I found my mistake--a typo, thanks :)
[01:55:40] <mvatki>	nevermind, I only thought that I had
[01:55:48] <mvatki>	wishful thinking
[01:57:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Long edit summaries may get truncated in RC->IRC feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4253  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[01:58:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) irc.wikimedia.org could accept connections from more ports - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11906   +shell; +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:00:10] <Marybelle>	Heh. Mike_lifeguard is taking my method of fixing bugs.
[02:00:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) irc.wikimedia.org should not allow private messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17470  (10mikelifeguard)
[02:00:47] <mvatki>	what other causes could there be, supposing that apache, mysql and php reside on the same machine and user wikiuse has already been granted total access to table centralauth?
[02:00:54] *Mike_lifeguard 	high-fives
[02:01:10] <Marybelle>	Woo. :-)
[02:02:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC notifications for CodeReview comment/status updates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16910  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:02:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges IRC related issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16599  (10mikelifeguard)
[02:04:02] <p858snake>	btw mvatki "CentralAuth was designed specifically for Wikimedia projects. It is much easier — though less cool — to set up global accounts using $wgSharedDB. ([1], [2])"
[02:05:43] <Prodego>	chuck: why didn't you like #wgSharedDB again?
[02:05:56] <Prodego>	 / # -> $ /
[02:06:20] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) "Undo" and "rollback" should not both exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10531  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:06:47] <chuck>	Prodego: it forces ones preferences to be the same for every wiki, which is a good thing and a bad thing
[02:06:59] <chuck>	and it has a tendency of acting up for password resets
[02:07:17] <mvatki>	*p858snake, yes I read that somewhere
[02:07:53] <mvatki>	I was really looking forward to having continuity of sessions between wiki projects
[02:07:56] <p858snake>	its on the central auth extenstion page, centralauth is very hacked together for the wikimedia installs
[02:08:43] <Prodego>	Mike_lifeguard: did you mean to do that?
[02:08:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	mean to do what? I just did more than one thing :)
[02:09:13] <Prodego>	(REOPENED)
[02:09:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	I didn't reopen it - bug with wikibugs
[02:09:22] <chuck>	mvatki: you can share sessions across multiple wikis with shared user tables
[02:09:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	it shows status instead of status *changes*
[02:09:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	(which is what we care about)
[02:09:48] <chuck>	the bug reporting software has a bug.. paradox!
[02:10:13] <Prodego>	well I'll as soon solve that
[02:10:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) daily-article-l sends an bcc:-field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18109 trivial; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (wm-bugzilla)
[02:10:20] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) "Undo" and "rollback" should not both exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10531  (10Prodego)
[02:10:25] <Prodego>	there we go
[02:10:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	hot
[02:14:17] <werdna>	Mike_lifeguard: yeah I should fix that
[02:15:14] <Mike_lifeguard>	Marybelle: Was it you that had a brainstorming page for rewriting SpamBlacklist?
[02:15:25] <Marybelle>	Yes.
[02:15:40] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Regex-based_blacklist
[02:16:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install SpamRegex for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811  (10mikelifeguard)
[02:16:53] <mvatki>	*chuck: what is the use of the central auth extension, then? what service does it provide to wikimedia foundation?
[02:17:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	thx
[02:19:54] <p858snake>	mvatki: its the same as shareddb but moddified since we didn't start off with shared db's accross the projects
[02:20:17] <mvatki>	oh, ok.
[02:23:48] <mvatki>	I'm reading about $wgSharedDB in the manual and it says that this is "actually not real SSO, since the user may still have to log in into each wiki separately, but at least registration has to be done only once"
[02:24:34] <p858snake>	it uses the one database for all users but they have to log in sperately to each site in the "farm"
[02:25:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Send filter hits and changes to irc.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18080  (10mikelifeguard)
[02:26:02] <mvatki>	yes, that's my understanding. I was under the impression that the centralauth extension implemented this single sign on property.
[02:26:24] <werdna>	no, it just implements it in a way that allows migration from other systems
[02:27:06] <mvatki>	that makes more sense... so there is no single sign-on system implemented for mediawiki software, then?
[02:27:20] <werdna>	yes, there are two
[02:27:26] <werdna>	centralauth and shared user tables
[02:27:41] <chuck>	mvatki: For the third time, you *can* implement SSO with shared user tables :P
[02:27:52] <chuck>	and i think I gave you a link yesterday, but I'll get it again
[02:27:58] <mvatki>	oh, I'm sorry.
[02:27:59] <chuck>	!wg CookieDomain | mvatki 
[02:27:59] --mwbot--	mvatki: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCookieDomain
[02:28:11] <michaelzer>	can I import oldwiki's (EUC) dump to UTF-8 mysql DB directly or need to convert ?
[02:28:13] <mvatki>	I must have been very confused...
[02:28:23] <chuck>	mvatki: what kind of URL scheme are you using?
[02:28:39] <chuck>	different subdomains for different wikis, or are the wikis in different directories on the same domain?
[02:28:51] <mvatki>	they're all on the same domain
[02:28:56] <chuck>	hmm
[02:29:17] <chuck>	werdna: do you know if sessions are automatically shared between wikis in different directories on the same domain?
[02:29:37] <chuck>	i think the setting to use would be one to change the path of the cookie (if such a setting exists)
[02:30:31] <chuck>	yeah, found it
[02:30:36] <chuck>	!wg CookiePath | mvatki 
[02:30:36] --mwbot--	mvatki: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCookiePath
[02:30:45] <chuck>	you'll probably just change that to /
[02:30:53] <chuck>	oh wait, that's the default..
[02:30:58] <chuck>	then maybe it will work right away
[02:31:13] <mvatki>	I'll try it and see
[02:35:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow AbuseFilter to force the user to solve a captcha - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18110 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (mikelifeguard)
[02:35:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	rollback is still an 'edit' action, right? It's throttled differently though... so could AbuseFilter tell the difference?
[02:36:06] <Marybelle>	&action=rollback
[02:36:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	that's nice then :)
[02:40:23] <Splarka>	mvatki: development for spiffy "low hanging fruit" features for central autho, like instant signon across multiple domains, has progressed faster than spiffy toys for shareddb
[02:40:37] <Splarka>	(because WMF uses CA as stated abovve)
[02:40:54] <Splarka>	gah, I hate switching keyboards, can't find anything
[02:41:20] <Splarka>	anyway, last time I tried to explain why I got accused of slander (pedants will say "libel" since it is written, heh)
[02:41:48] <mvatki>	splarka: what do you mean by that?
[02:41:50] <Splarka>	so some people ditch shared user DBs just to have central auth sign-on, which is like breaking your arm because you admire some guy's spiffy cast
[02:42:54] <Splarka>	well, just this: using a shared user db from the very start is much nicer in the long run, but all the cool features are available mostly only for central auth, because the WMF uses central auth, and most developers care mostly about the WMF wikis
[02:43:35] <Splarka>	so things like global rights, interwiki rights, global blocking, cross-domain sign-on, etc, mostly are written for WMF so are written for CA
[02:43:59] <mvatki>	oh, I understand--that makes sense
[02:44:16] <Splarka>	they could easily be written for shareddb, but that isn't as much a priority
[02:44:42] <Splarka>	I think the largest farm with real shared user db is Wikia, and they've written a few, like global blocking and global "you have new messages"
[02:45:04] <Splarka>	but each domain has to be signed on to separately (though they only have about 5 major ones)
[02:45:29] <chuck>	do they have 5 major ones? i thought they consolidated them all into wikia.com subdomains
[02:47:04] <Splarka>	well, they had had, when I last checked, but that was 2 years ago
[02:47:22] <Splarka>	(not counting ones off the shareddb, like uncyc, which is on the main domain now anyway, so meh)
[02:48:44] <chuck>	Splarka: do you know what the global you have new messages extension is called?
[02:53:26] <Splarka>	yes "a pain in the ass"
[02:54:08] <Splarka>	it always kept breaking
[02:54:57] *Mike_lifeguard 	prepares to get a wailing-upon after this one...
[02:55:12] <werdna>	02:51 < Splarka> I think the largest farm with real shared user db is Wikia, and they've written a few, like global blocking and global "you have new messages"
[02:55:17] <werdna>	I wrote global blocking
[02:55:18] <werdna>	whore
[02:55:31] <Splarka>	they wrote it first
[02:55:32] <Splarka>	copycat
[02:55:38] <chuck>	:D
[02:56:10] <Splarka>	https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/RegexBlock/
[02:56:17] <werdna>	dude that's just horrible
[02:56:19] <Splarka>	yep
[02:56:24] <werdna>	anybody good with flights?
[02:56:25] <Splarka>	but they had it like 3 years before you
[02:56:36] <chuck>	Splarka: what's the *actual* name of the talk page extension
[02:56:41] <chuck>	is it WikiaNewtalk?
[02:56:45] <shamess>	I have an old database for my wiki, I figured installing mediawiki (which is now a higher version) and just using the same database would be okay. Apparently not. I get a database error now... Is there something I can do?
[02:56:49] <Splarka>	chuck: possibly
[02:57:14] <Splarka>	chuck: https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/WikiaNewtalk/wikia_newtalk.php
[02:57:21] <Splarka>	if that does it, then that's it, I dunno php
[02:57:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	Did I kill wikibugs?
[02:57:43] <p858snake>	werdna: how can you be bad with flights
[02:57:49] <Splarka>	werdna: where ya flying to now?
[02:57:50] <mvatki>	so if I set two wikis to share user tables in a different database than they both keep their data in, should I remove the shared tables in the non-shared databases?
[03:00:13] <werdna>	Splarka: I need to get from London to Buenos Aires in August
[03:00:17] <werdna>	you have three guesses why
[03:00:33] <Splarka>	can I have a brazillion guesses?
[03:00:37] <Austin>	You like steak?
[03:00:45] <Splarka>	WMF'10 is in Aus, right?
[03:00:50] <Splarka>	er, WM'10
[03:00:56] <Austin>	WM10 hasn't been decided yet.
[03:01:01] <Splarka>	or is it gonna be antarctica...
[03:01:13] <Splarka>	all the big continents, are so shelfish
[03:01:17] <Austin>	Gdansk, Oxford, or maybe Amsterdam.
[03:01:24] <chuck>	Splarka: sadly, it's not easy enough to just enable the extension when it's wikias extension that one is talking about :P
[03:01:32] <chuck>	they're generally kind of site-specific
[03:01:35] <Splarka>	yah
[03:01:36] <chuck>	but i'll look at it closer
[03:01:51] <p858snake>	werdna: does london have any of those websites where you can put in destintation and where your leaving from and shows flights from a pile of vendors?
[03:01:55] <Splarka>	shamess: did you run the update scripts?
[03:02:14] <werdna>	Splarka: shellfish
[03:03:09] <Splarka>	no
[03:03:11] <Splarka>	Shelf-ish
[03:03:16] <Splarka>	as in continental shelf, get it?
[03:03:29] <chuck>	i think i would actually want to go to wikimania if it was in amsterdam
[03:03:40] <chuck>	i love amsterdam, or at least i loved the amsterdam airport ;-)
[03:03:51] <Splarka>	that's probably even legal there
[03:04:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) daily-article-l sends an bcc:-field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18109  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[03:04:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a special page to handle additions, removals, changes and logging of spam blacklist entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4459  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[03:05:02] <Mike_lifeguard>	heh, took a while to crunch that comment I guess XD
[03:05:26] <shamess>	Splarka: I don't think so... Where should I be running those? Where'd I find them?
[03:05:42] <Splarka>	!upgrading
[03:05:42] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[03:06:33] <shamess>	Ah, thanks.
[03:13:01] <shamess>	Splarka: Yeah, that fixed it, thank you :)
[03:13:29] <Splarka>	rar
[03:16:38] <chuck>	Splarka: you wikians and your "rar"s
[03:23:46] *p858snake 	rar's chuck into another file >.>
[03:32:37] <Splarka>	chuck: came from keitei @ uncyclopedia first, IIRC
[03:35:08] <p858snake>	..i thought you couldn't tranclude a page into itself, see [[User:Ipatrol/Sandbox]] (on en.wiki)
[03:40:31] <Splarka>	sure ya can, just don't make it into an infinite loop
[03:40:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	(BLWatcher|StewardBot|_Pathosbot|fakenick)
[03:41:12] <Splarka>	http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Infinite_recursion
[03:41:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	(BLWatcher|StewardBot|_Pathosbot|fakenick)
[03:41:59] <Splarka>	calls itself as a parameter to its own call to itself
[03:41:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	(BLWatcher|StewardBot|_Pathosbot|fakenick)
[03:42:04] <Splarka>	wtf
[03:42:16] <p858snake>	Splarka: but placing the page into it is so it shouldn't allow it
[03:42:39] <Splarka>	testing: calls itself as a parameter to its own call to itself
[03:43:18] <Splarka>	Mike_lifeguard: wat
[03:43:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	sorry
[03:43:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	I've fixed that
[03:43:55] *Mike_lifeguard 	is shamed
[03:44:09] <Splarka>	why was I triggering it? ^_^
[03:45:11] <Mike_lifeguard>	everyone was
[03:45:16] <Mike_lifeguard>	on like 30 channels :'(
[03:45:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	including #perl, where the mean people live
[03:46:17] <Splarka>	haha
[03:47:16] <Mike_lifeguard>	yes, laugh at my misfortune *snif*
[03:58:35] <mvatki>	out of curiosity: is there a way to share pages of certain namespaces among a group of wikis?
[04:03:35] <JamesonTai>	hi
[04:10:49] <chuck>	mvatki: Wikia has implemented that with their Shared Help system.
[04:11:11] <chuck>	Pages have to be edited at a certain wiki, but they can be viewed on all wikis the extension is enabled on.
[04:11:43] <JamesonTai>	how do you export a certain section of Wikipedia over to a private Wiki?
[04:13:28] <^demon>	Any sysops on mediawiki.org?
[04:15:41] <^demon>	Have a single-purpose account if someone can help. [[User:Sunny_chan_465]]
[04:24:13] <mvatki>	chuck: sorry I didn't see your message thanks. Of course Wikia doesn't make available their own extensions do they?
[04:30:53] <chuck>	mvatki: they do, http://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/
[04:31:11] <chuck>	I'm not sure how useful this extension will be for you, but if you can get it to work, it may be what you're looking for
[04:31:40] <chuck>	this is the full path: https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/SharedHelp/SharedHelp.php
[04:32:24] <mvatki>	ok thanks! I might give it a try
[04:33:34] <mvatki>	I was thinking that it might be useful to share user pages and help pages.
[04:38:32] <mvatki>	How does wikipedia implement the wikimedia commons, then?
[04:38:55] <chuck>	that's not the same thing, that functionality is just built into mediawiki and it's only for files, not content pages
[04:39:09] <chuck>	but there are some settings for it documented on mediawiki.org
[04:39:42] <mvatki>	so the file_page for each image, say, has to be mirrored on each wikimedia site?
[04:39:47] <chuck>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseSharedUploads and some other settings
[04:39:57] <mvatki>	thanks again, chuck
[04:39:59] <chuck>	no, it's description page is pulled from a central database
[04:40:02] <chuck>	bbl
[04:40:11] <mvatki>	ah I see
[05:02:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Requesting to enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on es.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18005  normal->15enhancement; summary; +comment (10chinchi29)
[06:12:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Soft blocking IP address prevents hardblocking of accounts on that IP address. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18111 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (wilhelm)
[06:15:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Soft blocking IP address prevents autoblock of accounts on that IP address. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18111  summary (10wilhelm)
[06:15:25] <CIA-60>	03thomasv * r48698 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: minor
[06:48:55] <Marybelle>	Splarka: http://mwref.werdn.us/ Does this work for you?
[06:49:34] <Splarka>	nope, never has
[06:49:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Soft blocking IP address prevents autoblock of accounts on that IP address. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18111  +comment (10overlordq)
[06:49:44] <Marybelle>	Hrmph.
[06:49:59] <Marybelle>	I was gonna hijack the code to make a log search for this channel's logs.
[06:50:00] <Splarka>	I type and nothing happens
[06:50:13] <Marybelle>	But hijacking working code seems like a better idea.
[07:26:42] <OverlordQ>	Weeee, gotta love commenting ona  bug then realized what you said was bullshit lol :D
[07:28:00] <Splarka>	bugzilla has a long memory
[07:28:36] <OverlordQ>	especially since it gets mailed out to who knows how many people :)
[07:29:29] <OverlordQ>	in the blocking code is there any particular reason why ipblocks are checked before autoblocks?
[07:29:40] <OverlordQ>	or is it, "just the way the code came out"
[07:32:55] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Switch_from_soft_redirects_to_hard_redirects
[07:33:06] <Splarka>	heh, so the current proposal is to use <iframe> for redirects, heh
[07:33:15] <Splarka>	facepalm: apply directly to face
[07:33:30] <charitwo>	no headdesk ?
[07:33:58] <Splarka>	not enough desk space
[07:35:12] <Marybelle>	mwbot doesn't support Unicode.
[07:36:45] <Splarka>	in which way?
[07:37:03] <Marybelle>	Snippets saved containing things like é return as black boxes.
[07:37:28] <Splarka>	WFM
[07:37:38] <Splarka>	<Splarka> !foo is é 
[07:37:39] <Splarka>	<mwbot> Successfully added keyword: foo
[07:37:39] <Splarka>	<Splarka> !foo
[07:37:39] <Splarka>	<mwbot> é 
[07:37:57] <Marybelle>	!copyright
[07:37:57] --mwbot--	MediaWiki is copyright 2001-2008 Magnus Manske, Brion Vibber, Lee Daniel Crocker, Tim Starling, Erik M�ller, Gabriel Wicke, �var Arnfj�r� Bjarmason, Niklas Laxstr�m, Domas Mituzas, Rob Church, Yuri Astrakhan, Aryeh Gregor, Aaron Schulz and others. It is under GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License or later.
[07:38:25] <Splarka>	you're doing it wrong
[07:38:38] <Marybelle>	I don't see how, but I guess so.
[07:41:59] <OverlordQ>	yea it doesn't like me either
[07:42:33] <GerardM->	Marybelle, if mwbot does not support Unicode it is not safe to use
[07:42:49] <Marybelle>	Huh. é works.
[07:42:55] <Splarka>	!copyright
[07:42:55] --mwbot--	MediaWiki is copyright (C) 2001-2009 Magnus Manske, Brion Vibber, Lee Daniel Crocker, Tim Starling, Erik Möller, Gabriel Wicke, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason, Niklas Laxström, Domas Mituzas, Rob Church, Yuri Astrakhan, Aryeh Gregor, Aaron Schulz and others. It is under GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License or later.
[07:43:00] <Splarka>	hows that look?
[07:43:01] <Marybelle>	!sfoo
[07:43:01] --mwbot--	é
[07:43:05] <Marybelle>	Looks good to me.
[07:43:08] <Splarka>	then WFM
[07:43:17] <Marybelle>	So strange...
[07:43:17] *Splarka 	blames your IRC client
[07:43:31] <Marybelle>	But I saved sfoo...
[07:43:42] <GerardM->	some IRC clients can be configured what font to use
[07:43:45] <Splarka>	well, I have an old version of mIRC that doesn't support unicode
[07:44:00] <Splarka>	but I can define it easier that way I guess, as raw high-bit ascii
[07:46:24] <OverlordQ>	odd
[07:46:46] <OverlordQ>	that shows up fine for me, and when I sent it to mwbot it showed up fine, but when it replied, it was garbled *shrug*
[07:47:17] <Splarka>	check the logs maybe
[07:47:29] <Splarka>	see if you sent extra crap
[07:47:37] *Marybelle 	wonders who saved all of these null code words...
[07:47:42] <OverlordQ>	there we go
[07:47:48] <Splarka>	leave some of them
[07:47:53] <Splarka>	they collide with unilinky
[07:48:06] <Marybelle>	Wasn't gonna delete them.
[07:48:06] <OverlordQ>	some reason channels set to fixedsys excelsior, but PMs were set as fixedsys :-/
[07:48:14] <Splarka>	heh
[07:48:28] *Marybelle 	re-assigns !ping.
[07:48:42] <Splarka>	I did cowsay, delete, seen, splarka, tell
[07:48:50] <Splarka>	not sure who did tell, maybe me
[07:48:59] <Splarka>	check my logs ^_^
[07:50:06] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[07:50:13] <Nikerabbit>	that above has nothing to do with font
[07:50:34] <OverlordQ>	now how do you get rid of stuff lol :( I added !face to test
[07:50:43] <Marybelle>	Haha. There's a bestcase.
[07:50:49] <Marybelle>	!face del
[07:50:49] --mwbot--	Successfully removed keyword: face
[07:51:09] <OverlordQ>	awww ๏̯͡๏
[07:51:44] <Splarka>	[07:51:09] <OverlordQ>	awww ๏̯͡๏
[07:52:31] *Marybelle 	fixed another one. >_>
[07:52:41] <sekrit>	!rar
[07:52:41] --mwbot--	rar
[07:52:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Retain URL as metadata on upload-by-url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18112 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[07:53:03] <Splarka>	hmm
[07:54:01] <OverlordQ>	i made an alias :D
[07:56:05] <Splarka>	okay
[07:56:14] <Splarka>	I aliased all the nulls to !this_is_intentionally_null and nulled that
[07:56:28] <Splarka>	and I notice the botbrain is old
[07:56:42] <Splarka>	a bit old, anyway, daily dump?
[07:56:54] <Marybelle>	Looks crontabbed.
[07:57:16] <Marybelle>	I guess? Or it's just broken.
[08:02:51] <OverlordQ>	does the magic word not work?
[08:02:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Soft blocking IP address prevents autoblock of accounts on that IP address. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18111  (10overlordq)
[08:05:33] <OverlordQ>	weee, it did
[08:06:43] <Marybelle>	Hah.
[08:09:59] <Splarka>	geez, been almost no code review in the last 3 days to core, from 48616 to 47458
[08:10:09] <Splarka>	he should use weekends to catch up
[08:22:54] <CIA-60>	03thomasv * r48699 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread_index.js: minor
[09:32:19] *Splarka 	pokles ThomasV
[09:32:33] *ThomasV 	is here
[09:33:12] <Splarka>	looks like it is in phase3/includes/media/Bitmap.php
[09:33:17] <Splarka>	for bitmaps anyway
[09:33:49] <ThomasV>	ok, but is it only imagemagick that is run there, or the whole php  ?
[09:34:50] <Splarka>	well, what exactly are you asking about?
[09:35:26] <Splarka>	domas is showing you what Wikimedia has configured to run for images... but that didn't sound like your question
[09:35:28] <ThomasV>	does the image scaler run php ?
[09:36:06] <ThomasV>	I would like to know how to run something on the image servers
[09:36:10] <Splarka>	I don't think there is any image scaling done in MediaWiki
[09:36:14] <ThomasV>	i.e. where to fetch it
[09:36:27] <Splarka>	though that probably doesn't preclude someone defining a php image scaler on their installation
[09:36:49] <domas>	404s are sent to thumb.php
[09:37:14] <ThomasV>	domas: through webstore  ?
[09:37:14] *Splarka 	feels like we're having 4 separate conversations now
[09:37:22] <domas>	through web server
[09:38:06] <ThomasV>	but i think some thumbnails are generated without a 404, eg when a page is parsed ?
[09:40:42] <domas>	think again
[09:40:52] <ThomasV>	huh ? 
[09:41:57] <domas>	*shrug*, I tell you how it is done, and you argue with me using some "but I think". I give you a chance to think again, before coming back to an argument 
[09:42:27] <ThomasV>	domas: sorry, but I am just asking a question...
[09:42:52] <ThomasV>	are you sure that all thumnails are generated throug a 404 ?
[09:43:56] <domas>	no, I'm not sure, maybe there is a bug somewhere. 
[09:43:58] <domas>	:)
[09:44:08] <ThomasV>	:)
[09:44:41] <ThomasV>	sorry, but I was not trying to argue. your first answer was not clear, this is why I asked 
[09:45:20] <domas>	=)
[09:45:26] <Splarka>	thumb.php has only been around 4 years, how was it done before?
[09:45:57] <ThomasV>	Tim told me once it was using webstore
[09:46:00] <Splarka>	"who cares about 2005??"
[09:46:29] <domas>	ThomasV: the beauty of such setup is that appservers don't rely on NFS anymore
[09:47:04] <ThomasV>	appservers == apache ?
[09:47:40] <domas>	right
[09:47:47] <domas>	well, they rely on NFS for few other reasons, but oh well
[09:49:36] <ThomasV>	are there other tasks than image scaling, that require NFS, and that are not performed by the apache servers ?
[09:50:16] <domas>	image scalers are apaches
[09:50:18] <domas>	;-))
[09:51:53] <ThomasV>	sure, but I mean not performed by the core apache servers, in order to avoid nfs-based failure points 
[09:52:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show move log when viewing/creating a deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16950  (10W)
[09:52:58] <antiPoP>	hi
[09:53:18] <antiPoP>	does somebody knwo of wikimedia stores part of it content in teh db compressed
[09:53:27] <antiPoP>	or stores anything as plain text?
[09:55:02] <domas>	somebody does probably know
[09:55:19] <domas>	did you try reading any of documents about wikipedia setup? :)
[09:55:55] <antiPoP>	yes, i'm on it: 12http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Mediawiki-database-schema.png
[09:56:12] <domas>	thats limited
[09:56:16] <antiPoP>	but no luck with this info...
[09:56:23] <antiPoP>	what do you suggest?
[09:56:26] <domas>	http://dammit.lt/uc/workbook2007.pdf
[09:56:51] <domas>	and indeed, are you mocking us?
[09:56:55] <OverlordQ>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Text_table ?
[09:56:56] <domas>	store whole content uncompressed? 
[09:58:39] <antiPoP>	and indeed, are you mocking us? <- no, why ?
[09:59:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show move log when viewing/creating a deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16950  +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[10:02:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show move log when viewing/creating a deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16950  (10W)
[10:04:54] <ThomasV>	domas: the apache conf has this line : ErrorDocument 404 /w/404.php
[10:05:14] <ThomasV>	is that 404.php file public ?
[10:05:32] <domas>	isn't it in mediawiki?
[10:05:37] <domas>	it is the very stupid redirect script
[10:05:46] <domas>	try http://en.wikipedia.org/Thomas
[10:05:48] <domas>	you'll see what it does
[10:06:30] <ThomasV>	oh, it is a symlink to redirect.php ?
[10:13:28] <ThomasV>	could you show me where the 404 are handled to generate thumbnails ?
[10:16:53] <Marybelle>	domas: Where did the user_ids table come from? As far as I know only Wikimedia wikis have it.
[10:17:34] <domas>	dunno
[10:17:36] <domas>	centralauth? 
[10:18:00] <Marybelle>	I don't think so. It just has user_id, user_name.
[10:18:07] <Marybelle>	I figured it was a performance optimization thing.
[10:18:29] <domas>	where did you see it existing?
[10:18:32] <domas>	I don't see such table
[10:18:36] <Marybelle>	It's on the Toolserver.
[10:21:07] <Splarka>	what is the name for user_id 111 ?
[10:21:39] <domas>	Marybelle: bah, why can't you say that at first?
[10:21:48] <domas>	Marybelle: other user data is private, maybe?
[10:21:56] <Marybelle>	The user table isn't private.
[10:22:01] <Marybelle>	And I said "Wikimedia wikis." :P
[10:22:03] <domas>	ThomasV: dunno if it is committed 
[10:22:18] <Marybelle>	Why would you have user_ids if there's already a user table?
[10:22:23] <Marybelle>	Splarka: Liniey on enwiki.
[10:22:30] <domas>	Marybelle: WE DONT HAVE IT
[10:22:38] <Splarka>	ahh, so it is the sanitized user table?
[10:22:54] <Marybelle>	Ahh, so it's a Toolserver-only thing?
[10:22:58] <Marybelle>	Interesting.
[10:23:16] <Splarka>	"I can haz user table?" "NOT 4U!" "I can haz list of userIDs vs names?" "kthxbie"
[10:24:10] <ThomasV>	domas: and do you know where is the 404 handler php file that is used ?
[10:24:59] <domas>	I probably know
[10:25:03] <domas>	it is on our cluster, somewhere
[10:25:20] <ThomasV>	is it public ?
[10:25:28] <gamla_kossan>	hey people. is anyone using the ldap-auth extension here? I wonder if it's possible to make my wiki available to a certain ldap group..
[10:26:11] <domas>	I don't know
[10:29:00] <domas>	ThomasV: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/
[10:29:12] <domas>	ThomasV: you know, you could probably look at our SVN yourself
[10:29:33] <domas>	ThomasV: I realize it may be "interesting" to you
[10:29:37] <domas>	but my time costs money too
[10:34:52] <ThomasV>	at least you learned something
[10:35:47] <ThomasV>	but thanks anyway
[10:38:56] <domas>	learned what?
[10:38:59] <domas>	SVN location of something?
[10:39:06] <domas>	how is it of any use to me?
[11:27:30] <Subfader>	my users have pretty few clue about wikis. instead of telling them how to add this or that to their monobook.css I want to add the general changes as gadget css so they can enable them via their user prefs. now i wonder if it's MUCH worse calling e.g. 10 css additions from gadgets instead off all in the user's monobook.css?
[11:28:35] <Duesentrieb>	Subfader: if your webserver is copnfigured right, it's not much worse, because css gets cached.
[11:28:45] <Duesentrieb>	if it's not cached, you have 10 extra http requests
[11:29:09] <Subfader>	$wgMainCacheType = CACHE_NONE;?
[11:29:23] <Duesentrieb>	no, that's something else entirely
[11:29:36] <Duesentrieb>	that's internal server-side caching.
[11:29:44] <Duesentrieb>	i was talking about css being cached on the client side.
[11:30:07] <Duesentrieb>	that should generally be the case, unless your web server is being very silly and setting wrong headers.
[11:30:21] <Subfader>	ok that shouldn't be the case :)
[11:30:43] <Subfader>	btw do you still check the talk page of your gadgets extension?
[11:30:51] <Duesentrieb>	Subfader: anyway, disabling the object cache, as you shoed above, means that the gadgets extension has to load and parse the gardget definition page for every request. that's quite a bit of overhead.
[11:31:04] <Subfader>	posted some idea http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Gadgets#Integrate_gadget_settings_into_standard_pref_sections
[11:31:07] <Duesentrieb>	i recommend to use accellerator caching or memcached
[11:31:32] <Duesentrieb>	mugging wit standard pref secions is... ab it hard to implement. 
[11:31:50] <Duesentrieb>	possible, but messy. would need a bunch of additional hooks.
[11:32:13] <Subfader>	ok not worth it then. just thought it would be more logically for the users
[11:32:48] <Duesentrieb>	in some cases, yes
[11:33:01] <Duesentrieb>	it's not a bad idea at all. iot's just not trivial to do it.
[11:33:09] <Duesentrieb>	please put it on bugzilla
[11:33:21] <Subfader>	about the cache: not using accellerator but i could ask my host to install it.
[11:33:22] <Subfader>	kk
[11:34:29] <Duesentrieb>	yes do.
[11:34:47] <Duesentrieb>	running mediawiki without an accellerator is silly
[11:34:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Integrate gadget into standard pref sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18113 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (subfader)
[11:35:37] <Subfader>	when i installed mw i thought i should add once my wiki is slow. it still is not
[11:36:40] <Duesentrieb>	it's up to you...
[11:36:48] <Duesentrieb>	i guess it's no problem as long as no one is using it :)
[11:36:58] <Duesentrieb>	but your host may prefer not to spend so many cpu cycles on mediawiki.#
[11:37:45] <Subfader>	yeah maybe it's installed and i just dunno it
[11:38:00] <Subfader>	if they're smart they have it as default
[11:38:34] <Subfader>	ok and with accellerator http requests as in my css example will be reduced?
[11:39:03] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[11:39:15] <Duesentrieb>	the will jsut be answered a lot faster
[11:39:40] <Duesentrieb>	the number of sb queries needed will be greatly reduced. and the cpu time spent parsing php.
[11:40:10] <Duesentrieb>	the number of http requests depends on other things. 
[11:40:28] <Duesentrieb>	but gadget css should be cachable. i really hope it is, i didn't check lately :)=
[11:42:36] <Subfader>	ok i will just go for it as it's a lot easier for my users.
[11:42:39] <Subfader>	thanks for the help
[11:45:06] <Splarka>	hmm, the headers for gadgets on WMF are > public, s-maxage=300, max-age=2678400, max-age=2592000
[11:45:20] <Splarka>	with: expires: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:44:49 GMT
[11:47:46] <Subfader>	that's good right? ok gotta run
[11:56:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Extension:AbuseFilter on Swedish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18102  +comment (10barracudas)
[11:56:40] <CIA-60>	03philip * r48700 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[11:59:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show move log when viewing/creating a deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16950  +comment (10blanchardb)
[12:11:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:NewPages does not suppress listings for pages moved without a redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18114 minor; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (blanchardb)
[12:17:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:NewPages does not suppress listings for pages moved without a redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18114  (10blanchardb)
[12:35:35] *Splarka 	is pretty sure that is a dupe, but doesn't have the bandwidth to find it
[12:40:37] <jelle>	I use http authentication for my wiki. is it possible to hide the "logout" link?
[12:41:19] <Splarka>	css is probably the easiest way, #pt-logout {display:none;} or such
[12:41:52] <jelle>	sounds reasonable.
[12:46:30] <jelle>	hm. that didn't work... I'll have to find the right css first I guess ;)
[12:50:55] <jelle>	ok. works, thanks. I use visibility:hidden, that helps here
[13:16:05] <Biny3>	Question: Is there a special mediawiki page to add/remove stuff from the toolbar?  I am looking to remove 'Printable Version' from the toolbox.  Thanks!
[13:18:27] <[gww]poke>	The toolbox is special and hardcoded into the skin
[13:18:29] <Simetrical>	!toolbox
[13:18:29] --mwbot--	See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_add_more_buttons_on_the_edit_page.3F>, also have a look at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert>
[13:18:37] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[13:18:40] <Simetrical>	That's wrong.
[13:18:53] <Simetrical>	As [gww]poke says, the toolbox isn't generally user-modifiable.
[13:18:54] <[gww]poke>	you would have to edit the skin/MonoBook.php or skin/Modern.php
[13:19:09] <Biny3>	ah ok, i'll look at the skin files then.  Thanks!
[13:21:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Windows PHP 5.2.6 precompiled binaries and Postgresql numeric version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16937  (10greg)
[13:21:49] <werdna>	Simetrical: I'm in New York from the 7th to the 10th of May
[13:26:49] <Simetrical>	werdna, okay, cool.
[13:27:35] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) AbuseFilter schemas for PostgreSQL are out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18076  +comment (10greg)
[13:28:11] <werdna>	Simetrical: so I'm guessing 7th or 8th is the best time for you.
[13:29:03] <flyingparchment>	definitely better than the first time, anyway
[13:29:04] <Simetrical>	werdna, most likely, yeah.
[13:30:25] <werdna>	I'll bug you closer to the date, can share my US trip google calendar with you if you like
[13:30:41] <Simetrical>	werdna, okay.
[13:33:44] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: apropos, do you use doppr? 
[13:34:14] <werdna>	Duesentrieb: I have an account
[13:34:18] <werdna>	not sure that i've ever used it
[13:34:58] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: works really nice for sharing trip dates. telly me via rss when someone happens to be nearby. i close to never visit the site, i enter stuff via ical and get notified over rss :)
[13:35:14] <werdna>	hmm, interesting
[13:36:02] <Duesentrieb>	pushing the ical can be a bit tricky, depending on what you use for it. i have a script that does it via curl :)
[13:37:21] <Duesentrieb>	http://getsatisfaction.com/dopplr/topics/use_with_korganizer has all the gory details :)
[13:41:59] <werdna>	sounds like effort to me :P
[13:42:10] <Duesentrieb>	once :)
[13:42:17] <werdna>	eh
[13:42:42] <Duesentrieb>	never looked at it again
[13:42:46] <Duesentrieb>	it just works
[13:47:47] <werdna>	Duesentrieb: looks like just something on a crontab
[13:48:03] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[13:48:09] <Duesentrieb>	http://brightbyte.de/page/Publishing_iCalendar_to_Dopplr
[13:48:23] <Duesentrieb>	nothing fancy.
[13:48:28] <davidt>	How do I make a special page "restricted"?
[13:48:40] <davidt>	Like bold in the list, and only for sysops?
[13:48:43] <Simetrical>	davidt, you can use an extension like Lockdown, or hack the code.
[13:48:52] <Simetrical>	Or use the page's specific permission.
[13:48:57] <Simetrical>	What special page were you thinking of?
[13:49:04] <davidt>	Simetrical: One that I've just wrote
[13:49:07] <Simetrical>	Ah, I see.
[13:49:12] <Simetrical>	There's a method you have to override.
[13:49:23] <Simetrical>	Or, no, there are multiple ways to do it.
[13:49:36] <Simetrical>	If you just want to make it require a permission, you do that on declaration.  One sec, let me get an example.
[13:50:05] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: the hardest part was to find out to use PUT, not POST :)
[13:50:25] <werdna>	Duesentrieb: hmm, so how does it figure out all the metadata?
[13:50:34] <Simetrical>	It's somewhere here.
[13:50:46] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: it doesn't. it just takes the title and place.
[13:51:16] <Duesentrieb>	well, the script doesn't look at that. ical has a location field
[13:51:20] <Duesentrieb>	that's about all that is needed
[13:51:27] <werdna>	Hmm, nifty
[13:52:17] <Duesentrieb>	i just have a calendar called "trip" in my korganizer, and a cron job that pushes it to dopplr. and i subswcribt to the rss feed.
[13:52:22] <Duesentrieb>	works like a charm :)
[13:52:43] <Simetrical>	davidt, I think you want something like: $wgSpecialPages['mypagename'] = array( 'SpecialPage', 'MyPageName', 'required-right' );
[13:53:04] <Simetrical>	Incidentally, Jidanni has had three patches accepted.  Pretty soon we're going to have to offer him commit access, right?  :)
[13:53:56] <Duesentrieb>	sounds like it
[13:54:59] <davidt>	Simetrical: Nice, but I tried putting "sysop" in the required-right, and now my sysop user can't aces it either.
[13:56:42] <Simetrical>	davidt, you need to give a right, not a group.
[13:57:09] <Simetrical>	E.g., $wgAvailableRights []= 'mypageright'; $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['mypageright'] = true;  Then use "mypageright".
[14:02:24] <davidt>	Simetrical: cool, thanks a lot
[14:02:37] <davidt>	Simetrical: Can I give a right per-user, and not per group?
[14:04:37] <werdna>	Duesentrieb: looks like iCal will just do the auto-pushing out of the box.
[14:04:43] <werdna>	no need to faff around with cron jobs.
[14:06:28] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r48701 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[14:06:49] <Simetrical>	davidt, create a new group and assign it only to the desired users.
[14:07:32] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: yes, that may well be. i think it says so on their web page, too. korganizer doesn't quite, for some reason. i think it only does POST or something.
[14:07:35] <werdna>	How does one force a refresh in FF on Mac?
[14:07:49] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: apple-key+r
[14:14:11] <CIA-60>	03daniel * r48702 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder4Biography/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/biography/wikis/WikiConfiguration_dewiki.java: LeMO, PND
[14:17:01] <CIA-60>	03greg * r48703 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updaters.inc: Allow direct INDEX clause specification for Postgres.
[14:18:48] <CIA-60>	03greg * r48704 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Modified version of patch from Brad Jorsch, updates Postgres schema to match MySQL, bug 18076
[14:19:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter schemas for PostgreSQL are out of date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18076  (10greg)
[14:22:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Last 10 editors" function fails on PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18078  +comment (10greg)
[14:34:38] <yannig>	Bonjour
[14:35:31] <yannig>	Je souhaiterais changer la police de caractères de mon texte. Comment faire
[14:39:09] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Show move log when viewing/creating a deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16950  +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[14:39:52] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Show move log when viewing/creating a deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16950   +need-review +patch; +comment (10church.of.emacs.ml)
[14:43:08] <MGrab>	hi all, the abuse filter on en wp doesn't seem to work, I blanked a page and it didn't say anything, just saved with no warning or anything
[14:43:30] <werdna>	MGrab: only enabled for users who aren't autoconfirmed
[14:45:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) interrupted downloads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17610  (10azatoth)
[14:45:16] <MGrab>	werdna: hmmkay, ClueBot always does its job ;)
[14:46:49] <AzaTht>	has anyone except me have had problem with interrupted downloads?
[14:47:59] <LauraHale>	Pywikipedia bot question...  Is there a way you can set the bot to create categories that don't exist that are in your wanted categories?  I have a bunch of categories named [[Category:NAME LiveJournal communities]] and I would really love to easily be able to create the category for those of [[Category:NAME]]
[14:48:00] *[gww]poke 	saw a wiki link posted by 12LauraHale to: 03http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Category:NAME_LiveJournal_communities
[14:48:15] <flyingparchment>	[gww]poke: turn that off.
[14:48:22] <[gww]poke>	oh sorry
[14:49:09] <AzaTht>	flyingparchment: I made an reply on the download problem "bug"
[14:49:18] <flyingparchment>	yes, i know
[14:49:19] <AzaTht>	if it is an bug that is
[14:50:20] <AzaTht>	I'm pretty clueless, but starting to get a bit tired of seeing only half images ツ
[14:52:44] <flyingparchment>	well, someone left a comment 2 minutes after you opened the bug, and it took you a month to reply
[14:52:48] <flyingparchment>	so i guess you can wait a bit longer ;)
[14:56:24] <AzaTht>	flyingparchment: that might be; havn't downloaded any picture directly in a month, so I didn't think of it
[15:00:14] <flyingparchment>	if only bugzilla sent you an email when someone comments on a bug..
[15:01:47] <Betacommand>	flyingparchment: doesnt it already?
[15:01:57] <flyingparchment>	i think i was being a little bit sarcastic
[15:02:47] <AzaTht>	flyingparchment: sorry, wasn't paying full attention
[15:04:18] <AzaTht>	also I made the failure back in the days to subscribe to all bugs, so the bugbox in my mailbox is a bit saturated
[15:43:38] <luna6>	hello is there somewhere in mediawiki that generates titles and descriptions for the article pages? I need to pass that into an extension (dhflashplayer) ?
[15:56:18] <brion>	bonjour
[15:58:28] <markisoke>	Are here anyone that speak dutch, that can help me
[15:58:45] <ialex>	bonjour brion !
[16:03:47] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48705 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Added $wgFlaggedRevsUIForDefault for low-key passive patrolling
[16:04:14] <derwin>	which of the many Flash extensions should I use?
[16:18:33] <ThomasV>	bonjour brion 
[16:27:09] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48706 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ (leftarrow.png rightarrow.png uparrow.png): Fixed svn:mime-type: application/octet-stream -> image/png
[16:32:45] <davidt>	Is there an easy way to show a list of subpages of a page in a list on my special page?
[16:33:03] <davidt>	Any chance that that's what "Pager" or "PageQuery" are for?
[16:33:09] <ialex>	Special:Prefixindex/SomePage
[16:33:32] <davidt>	ialex: Exactly what I want, but I want to output it on my own page
[16:33:47] <ialex>	{{Special:Prefixindex/SomePage}}
[16:34:12] <Marybelle>	Or {{Special:PrefixIndex/SomePage/}} to exclude the page itself.
[16:34:31] <ialex>	yeah
[16:34:48] <[poke]>	I think davidt wants to use it in an extension
[16:35:03] <davidt>	yeah
[16:37:21] <ialex>	you can try Title::getSubpages()
[16:52:34] <[poke]>	why does my other nick not time out? :/
[16:52:57] <Marybelle>	/ns help ghost
[16:55:51] <Prodego>	assuming you registerd
[16:55:54] <Prodego>	registered*
[17:09:48] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14323  +comment (10happy-melon)
[17:11:01] <[poke]>	ah
[17:29:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable text layer extraction from djvu on Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18046  (10thomasV1)
[17:40:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Data too long for column 'rev_comment' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13721  (10mohamed.m.k)
[17:47:15] <paulproteus>	Is there a way to ask MW to just render a page's contents, not the skin around it?
[17:47:16] <paulproteus>	?action=render does the trick!
[18:03:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ForeignAPIRepo cache isn't working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18115 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: File/Repo; (mohamed.m.k)
[18:06:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ForeignAPIRepo cache isn't working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18115  (10mohamed.m.k)
[18:13:11] <^demon>	Ew @ 18115.
[18:13:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Last 10 editors" function fails on PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18078  (10b-jorsch)
[18:15:11] <lllotus>	does anyone know how to correct image uploading issues?
[18:17:31] <LauraHale>	lllotus: What sort of issues?
[18:17:54] <lllotus>	I got uploads turned on. But now I'm uploading... and the images aren't showing up.
[18:18:48] <LauraHale>	Do you have permissions set for the folder to allow writing to them?
[18:19:22] <lllotus>	(i am a total noob) Likely not. 
[18:19:32] *LauraHale 	knows even less. :)
[18:19:50] <LauraHale>	The folders that you're uploading to need to have the ability to upload to them.
[18:19:50] <lllotus>	the folder for such would be in the ftp i imagine
[18:20:07] <LauraHale>	Though when you don't have them set, you tend to get an error when you upload. :/
[18:20:25] <LauraHale>	No error message?
[18:20:31] <lllotus>	yeah, i havent gotten an error
[18:20:45] <lllotus>	it uploads, and then instead of the image, it just shows the name of the image
[18:20:56] *LauraHale 	is lost then.
[18:21:05] *lllotus 	chuckles
[18:21:09] <lllotus>	Yeah
[18:21:22] <LauraHale>	My situation is such that I have an 18 year old that handles my install.
[18:21:35] <ialex>	lllotus: and what happens if you click on the image's name
[18:21:37] <ialex>	?
[18:21:50] <lllotus>	it brings me back to the main page
[18:22:03] <ialex>	o_O
[18:22:30] <lllotus>	yeah
[18:22:43] <ialex>	lllotus: is your wiki public?
[18:23:29] <lllotus>	Yeah
[18:23:32] <lllotus>	http://wiki.devilsplaypen.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[18:23:59] <ialex>	wow :D
[18:24:38] <lllotus>	its completely devoid of content, cause... want to get all these other issues hammered out first :P
[18:24:58] <LauraHale>	That color... is just.  Wow.
[18:25:11] <ialex>	lllotus: can you upload an image so that I can see what happens?
[18:25:17] <lllotus>	sure
[18:25:21] <lllotus>	ill try and do it on the main page there
[18:26:31] <lllotus>	Alrighty, its on the main page now
[18:27:25] <ialex>	lllotus: have you set any rewrite rule?
[18:27:51] <lllotus>	Not sure what those are. (this is totally my first time building one of these ;P)
[18:29:20] <ialex>	lllotus: something in either .htaccess or httpd.conf
[18:30:04] <lllotus>	the .htaccess has only this in it: Order Allow,Deny 
[18:32:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Last 10 editors" function fails on PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18078  (10greg)
[18:33:04] <mib_5or966>	Hi, is anyone knows if it's possible to create Closed communities in MediaWiki ??  /msg me please
[18:33:06] <ialex>	the problem is that http://wiki.devilsplaypen.com/images/0/05/ChibiStacey.png should display the image, not the main page, dunno if it's some kind of rewrite rule or server mis-configuration
[18:33:24] <LauraHale>	What do you mean by closed community?
[18:33:34] <LauraHale>	Like page by page access controls for groups?
[18:34:09] <ialex>	!access | mib_5or966
[18:34:09] --mwbot--	mib_5or966: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[18:34:14] <mib_5or966>	Setting up a private space within an organization that is specificaly reserved to a group of users.
[18:34:51] <lllotus>	Yeah, I dont know much about the coding, so I dont know what's wrong.
[18:35:06] <LauraHale>	Wouldn't that be more of an issue of how you configure the server you've set up?
[18:35:13] <LauraHale>	Is it behind a firewall?
[18:35:34] <lllotus>	Also, on some other wiki;s ive been able to put images there through html code, when i try to put images on this one in a similar fashion, it just shows the link to the image and not the image itself
[18:36:23] <mib_5or966>	thanks iAlex !!! 
[18:37:55] <ialex>	!externalimages
[18:37:55] --mwbot--	To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>.
[18:39:00] <lllotus>	Ah ha!
[18:39:04] <ThomasV>	brion: could you have a look at this ? http://rafb.net/p/RxxgSX55.html
[18:39:11] <lllotus>	Now, my question is thus- where is that code, so I can change it?
[18:39:33] <ThomasV>	it is for bug 18046
[18:40:34] <ialex>	lllotus: put that in LocalSettings.php
[18:40:44] <lllotus>	i just put it anywhere?
[18:41:35] <ialex>	best is at bottom
[18:42:02] *lllotus 	nods
[18:42:17] <brion>	sec
[18:42:54] <brion>	ThomasV: that's pulling the text during transform? hmmmm, curious
[18:43:19] <brion>	where's it getting stored?
[18:43:24] <lllotus>	awesome.
[18:43:41] <brion>	hrmmmmm funky
[18:43:45] <ThomasV>	brion: it works on my box, but I use webstore instead of thumb-handler.php
[18:43:45] <brion>	not sure if i like that or not :D
[18:44:29] <ThomasV>	I guess something would need to be modified in thumb-handler to make it work at wmf
[18:45:47] <ThomasV>	brion : it gets stored as a thumb
[18:46:48] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48707 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.handler-db.php: 
[18:46:48] <CIA-60>	* Fix comments
[18:46:49] <CIA-60>	* Break long line
[18:46:49] <CIA-60>	* Removed fixme about cv_timestamp not being unique per discussion (some months ago :)
[18:47:20] <ThomasV>	I wonder if it's ok to return a ThumbnailImage, or if I should define a custom class for djvu text
[18:49:16] <ThomasV>	brion: I have to go now. please let me know in the comment of that bug 
[18:54:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) no div for MediaWiki:Edittools on Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18116 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CharInsert; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[18:54:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Retain URL as metadata on upload-by-url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18112  +comment (10brion)
[18:57:21] <brion>	thomasv: might be security issues with storing arbitrary text
[18:57:23] <brion>	oops
[19:05:41] <CIA-60>	03brion * r48708 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php): * (bug 18116) 'edittools' is now output identically on edit and upload pages
[19:05:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) no div for MediaWiki:Edittools on Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18116  +comment (10brion)
[19:06:48] <brion>	11 minutes from open to close
[19:06:56] <brion>	too bad that's an outlier ;)
[19:08:25] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r48709 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (55 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-23 18:54 UTC)
[19:11:03] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48710 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[19:11:03] <CIA-60>	* svn:mime-type application/octet-stream -> svn:eol-style native in includes/zhtable
[19:11:03] <CIA-60>	* svn:eol-style native elsewhere
[19:15:31] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r48711 10/trunk/extensions/ (128 files in 105 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-03-23 18:54 UTC)
[19:44:06] <CIA-60>	03rotem * r48712 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.i18n.php: Localization: Credit fix in he.
[19:49:02] <guillom>	hi RoanKattouw ; we get a namespace error on the French Wiktionary because the page contains the namespace twice : http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Discuter:Discuter:royon ; is it possible to rename it with the API or do we have to change it manually in the database?
[19:50:01] <RoanKattouw>	guillom: If you can find out its page ID (get someone on the toolserver to do that), you can move it to a decent name with the API
[19:50:16] <guillom>	ok, thanks
[19:50:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image page should list places that image redirects are used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18017  (10hartman)
[19:58:35] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48713 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiFormatJson.php ApiFormatWddx.php): 
[19:58:36] <CIA-60>	API: Add a check for PHP bug 45314 (PHP's WDDX formatter messes up UTF-8) and
[19:58:36] <CIA-60>	fix up a similar check for JSON, which couldn't possibly succeed due to missing
[19:58:36] <CIA-60>	quotes. See also
[19:58:36] <CIA-60>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-api/2009-March/001039.html
[20:01:32] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48714 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added stability filter
[20:02:26] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r48715 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: article -> wiki page
[20:03:27] <Panther_75>	Did this people know that many medicine personal and many mothers and fathers in macedonia and many caps and loyars and judgeges make big mass andbring trouble to people
[20:03:28] <Panther_75>	(21:01:37) Panther_75: 
[20:03:28] <Panther_75>	and many old people twoo
[20:03:28] <Panther_75>	(21:02:06) Panther_75: 
[20:03:28] <Panther_75>	thyey make big trouble by hurasing young and helty peopleDid this people know that many medicine personal and many mothers and fathers in macedonia and many caps and loyars and judgeges make big mass andbring trouble to people
[20:03:30] <Panther_75>	(21:01:37) Panther_75: 
[20:03:32] <Panther_75>	and many old people twoo
[20:03:34] <Panther_75>	(21:02:06) Panther_75: 
[20:03:36] <Panther_75>	thyey make big trouble by hurasing young and helty peopleDid this people know that many medicine personal and many mothers and fathers in macedonia and many caps and loyars and judgeges make big mass andbring trouble to people
[20:03:39] <Panther_75>	(21:01:37) Panther_75: 
[20:03:41] <Panther_75>	and many old people twoo
[20:03:43] <Panther_75>	(21:02:06) Panther_75: 
[20:03:45] <Panther_75>	thyey make big trouble by hurasing young and helty peopleDid this people know that many medicine personal and many mothers and fathers in macedonia and many caps and loyars and judgeges make big mass andbring trouble to people
[20:03:48] <Panther_75>	(21:01:37) Panther_75: 
[20:03:50] <Panther_75>	and many old people twoo
[20:03:52] <Panther_75>	(21:02:06) Panther_75: 
[20:03:54] <Panther_75>	thyey make big trouble by hurasing young and helty people
[20:04:07] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment!
[20:04:14] <[gww]poke>	spamspam?
[20:04:34] <RoanKattouw>	Quick response
[20:06:17] <[gww]poke>	heh
[20:06:29] <CIA-60>	03catrope * r48716 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiFormatWddx.php: Followup on r48713: fix a very stupid typo
[20:18:58] <AzaTht>	I have an question about http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Untersberg_panoramic_view_winter.jpg
[20:19:05] <AzaTht>	why doesn't it show any metadata
[20:19:12] <CIA-60>	03ashley * r48717 10/trunk/extensions/ChangeAuthor/ (3 files): (log message trimmed)
[20:19:12] <CIA-60>	ChangeAuthor:
[20:19:12] <CIA-60>	*coding style tweaks
[20:19:12] <CIA-60>	*spacing
[20:19:12] <CIA-60>	*removed function loadMessages() since it basically called wfLoadExtensionMessages() and nothing else
[20:19:13] <CIA-60>	*removed 'changeauthor-short' message; we can just use special page aliases instead
[20:19:15] <CIA-60>	*marked visibility of constructor and execute functions
[20:37:50] <brion>	Full resolution‎ (39,676 × 6,095 pixels, file size: 37.02 MB, MIME type: image/jpeg)
[20:37:51] <brion>	jeebus
[20:38:01] <[gww]poke>	lol, what kind of image is that?
[20:38:14] <brion>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Untersberg_panoramic_view_winter.jpg
[20:38:29] <[gww]poke>	wow, nice
[20:38:37] <[gww]poke>	but a bit big :P
[20:39:32] <[gww]poke>	btw. brion: Could it be that you don't read direct messages on irc?
[20:41:03] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[20:41:08] <Nikerabbit>	did the gsoc open yet?
[20:41:47] <ialex>	[gww]poke: you need to be identified to be able to send private messages
[20:42:05] <[gww]poke>	really? o.O That explains _a lot_ <_<
[20:42:10] <[gww]poke>	oh lol :P
[20:46:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RequestAccount form post results in BadTitle page (ConfirmAccount Extension) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18053  (10slp.45325678)
[20:47:17] <Brownout>	ialex: not anymore, unless the receiving part explicitly set usermode +E
[20:48:34] <ialex>	changed again?
[20:49:35] <Brownout>	last may
[20:49:46] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: Dunno, but I did get an e-mail from a prospective participant already. He wanted to do an image resizing daemon in Python, so I referred him to Simetrical cause I don't know Python :P
[20:51:19] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[20:52:08] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: you were a volunteering as a mentor?
[20:52:13] <MrZ-man>	I know python, but I've never done any imaging stuff with it, unless it just did shell commands to imagemagick :P
[20:52:28] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: Yeah. Want me to mentor you? :)
[20:52:48] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: do you already know what I want to do? :)
[20:53:01] <RoanKattouw>	No :P so you'd better tell me
[20:55:38] <brion>	poke`: what extension? :)
[20:57:28] <poke`>	I wrote a special page extension that lists all used images and templates on a specified page, basically to make the attribution of templates and images when using the link= parameter easier to access
[20:57:30] <AzaTht>	brion: I hope you didn't klick on the image ツ
[20:57:39] <brion>	hehe
[20:57:43] <poke`>	I did AzaTht :P
[20:57:54] <brion>	browsers really should protect against that kind of DoS
[21:01:11] <MrZ-man>	if the file size is  > X, don't open it in the browser?
[21:03:58] <poke`>	but the browser doesn't know the complete filesize before opening :P
[21:04:19] <AzaTht>	poke`: it does usually
[21:07:21] <CIA-60>	03ialex * r48718 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-ext.txt): 
[21:07:21] <CIA-60>	* Updated AbuseFilter and FlaggedRevs extensions
[21:07:21] <CIA-60>	* Put one setting per line for FlaggedRevs so that it's easier to update it :)
[21:07:24] <poke`>	did you see what I wrote, brion?
[21:12:52] <CIA-60>	03aaron * r48719 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Fix case typo
[21:13:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RequestAccount form post results in BadTitle page (ConfirmAccount Extension) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18053  (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:20:58] <CIA-60>	03raymond * r48720 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialTags.php: 
[21:20:59] <CIA-60>	Add a class to the table and use a nice Xml::function
[21:20:59] <CIA-60>	Wrap text of intro in a div with own class
[21:25:31] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) For RevisionDelete: Unsuppression is logged in the deletion log, not the suppression log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17854  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:35:47] <CleeK->	hello
[21:35:56] <poke`>	hi
[21:35:59] <CleeK->	anyone has AutomaticREMOTE_USER extension working with 1.14 ?
[21:39:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Creation of new mailing list for handling eswiki oversight requests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18117 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (pdsanchez)
[21:47:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spam Blacklist sometimes allows adding blacklisted links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13569  (10mikelifeguard)
[21:53:31] <mvatki>	is there away to specify the file upload directory (to something other than /wiki/images/) and have image descriptions put in another database?
[21:56:33] <poke`>	mvatki: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUploadDirectory; for the other database you would need to change the source, it would probably easier to read these values out from your other application by changing that
[21:57:43] <Duesentrieb>	could implement a custom repository.
[21:57:53] <Duesentrieb>	or just set up a repo wiki commons style
[21:59:27] <mvatki>	thanks, I understand how to set the upload directory now but what should I do about the image descriptions?
[21:59:40] <mvatki>	how does the repo wiki commons style work?
[22:00:46] <mvatki>	or where can I read about it?
[22:04:36] <poke`>	probably http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSharedUploadDBname and similar settings
[22:05:00] <Duesentrieb>	!family
[22:05:00] --mwbot--	To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[22:05:19] <Duesentrieb>	mvatki: there should be info about a shared image repo in there
[22:06:12] <mvatki>	ah, thanks
[22:08:06] <Daedalus969>	Anyone feel like helping me with {{#switch: ?
[22:08:40] <poke`>	sure
[22:08:45] <poke`>	what do you want to know?
[22:11:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creation of new mailing list for handling eswiki oversight requests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18117  (10cbrown1023)
[22:13:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create board-elections-2009 mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18029  +comment (10cbass)
[22:18:03] <Collin>	anybody here?
[22:18:09] <poke`>	yes
[22:18:22] <Collin>	good
[22:18:39] <LauraHale>	Maybe.
[22:18:57] <Collin>	hi i am new at wiki development and mediawiki at all and i have a problem
[22:19:22] <Collin>	maybe you guys and girls can help me 
[22:20:34] <LauraHale>	Ask away.
[22:21:42] <Collin>	i have page that i would like to have tab pages on but can't find anywere how to do that. For example like this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial
[22:22:19] <Collin>	instead of front page i would like to have something else and so on for the other tabs
[22:23:07] <poke`>	Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Header
[22:23:17] <poke`>	and look at the related templates
[22:23:36] <poke`>	you need to copy those to your -whereever you want to put such a page on- and adjust them
[22:24:40] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Hiding log entries with RevisionDelete does not automatically hide the corresponding page history entry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17053  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:25:55] <Collin>	thanks, i thinks i tried that earlier but mayby i did something wrong...so you mean i need to copy the template syntax calls?
[22:26:14] <Collin>	or do i need also to create the templates on my server?
[22:26:57] <poke`>	you need to copy all those templates to your wiki
[22:28:45] <Collin>	thanks poke` i will try that, thanks again for the help!
[22:28:47] <poke`>	or rather see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/TabsHeader
[22:28:56] <poke`>	that template and the used ones
[22:33:35] <Bejarid>	Hi, here
[22:33:42] <Bejarid>	I have a question
[22:33:52] <Collin>	ok, thanks
[22:34:05] <^demon>	!ask | Bejarid
[22:34:05] --mwbot--	Bejarid: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[22:34:05] <Bejarid>	How many space disk MediaWiki need on the server ?
[22:34:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inline rendering/thumbnailing for Gimp XCF images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17959  +comment (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[22:34:39] <^demon>	Bejarid: Depends. Are you allowing file uploads?
[22:34:43] <Bejarid>	nop
[22:35:22] <Bejarid>	a basic wiki for text editing between few people
[22:35:30] <^demon>	Shouldn't be too much then. :)
[22:35:41] <Bejarid>	100MB ?
[22:35:48] <^demon>	Well less than that.
[22:35:56] <Bejarid>	10 ? ^^
[22:36:11] <^demon>	My trunk install is ~90MB, but that includes all of the .svn directories too.
[22:36:26] <Bejarid>	okay
[22:36:30] <Bejarid>	thx =)
[22:37:03] <^demon>	No problem. It should be significantly less for you :)
[22:40:20] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) missing wfRunHooks('ArticleShow') - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2736  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:42:23] <mvatki>	thanks all
[22:46:24] <Afker>	Is it possible to have a table with THEAD? I tried regular HTML tagging but it wasn't working
[22:46:36] <Afker>	and I don't think normal wiki table syntax supports thead
[22:47:18] <CIA-60>	03siebrand * r48721 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialLanguageStats.php: Localise number and percentage formatting
[22:48:19] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special:NewPages does not suppress listings for pages moved without a redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18114  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[22:48:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New pages log doesn't remove/update item after suppression redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17463  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[22:49:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ForeignAPIRepo cache isn't working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18115  (10innocentkiller)
[22:54:27] <poke`>	brion: Did you read my answer to your question above?
[22:57:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451  (10ssanbeg)
[23:01:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451  (10brion)
[23:02:08] <brion>	who wants to try integrating that GIF frame count check to the php code?
[23:02:13] <brion>	it'll be awesome fun!
[23:04:32] <werdna>	brion: might peek
[23:04:32] <werdna>	sec
[23:04:44] <brion>	\o/
[23:05:01] <werdna>	hmm, there's sample perl code
[23:05:06] <poke`>	"simple example to parse a GIF & count frames" <- doesn't look too simple ... :P
[23:05:07] <werdna>	I guess I could port that to PHP
[23:05:30] <brion>	it looks fairly straightforward, popping through data chunks and checking their types
[23:06:09] <TimStarling>	more straightforward than parsing theora I hope
[23:06:12] <TimStarling>	have you seen that code?
[23:06:52] <poke`>	the problem is probably that I don't know perl :P I'm interested in the php port however, werdna ^^
[23:07:05] <werdna>	do I want to, Tim?
[23:07:24] <TimStarling>	probably not
[23:07:25] <brion>	:D
[23:07:39] <TimStarling>	theora is fun because to parse the headers you need a bitstream parser
[23:07:39] <werdna>	brion: a project other than abusefilter abusefilter abusefilter will be a nice change :P
[23:07:56] <TimStarling>	most of the fields are not whole numbers of bytes
[23:08:05] <brion>	poke`: you got a page on mediawiki.org w/ info on the ext?
[23:08:16] <TimStarling>	there are also some 64-bit integers to contend with
[23:08:28] <TimStarling>	with GIF I would think you'd be able to stick with unpack()
[23:08:39] <brion>	ah, bitstreams
[23:08:55] <brion>	bzip2 is a bitstream too... blocks don't have to be byte-aligned
[23:08:59] <poke`>	brion: no, not yet, I wanted to ask about the SVN access first ^^
[23:09:07] <brion>	heh
[23:09:20] <brion>	we prefer for people to show the code first generally :D
[23:09:33] <poke`>	okay, then I'll set up a page :)
[23:12:52] <Afker>	is anyone familiar with the reasoning for MediaWiki to disallow THEAD?
[23:14:17] <CIA-60>	03brion * r48722 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: 
[23:14:17] <CIA-60>	Change order of operations a bit in autologin local user creation to minimize the chance that things won't get logged:
[23:14:17] <CIA-60>	* Moved log save up to right after the account creation
[23:14:17] <CIA-60>	* Moved site_stats update to bottom, below hook call [CheckUser log]; being a single row contention is most likely here.
[23:15:12] <Duxa>	Hey guys, quick question.  I am an admin and beurocrat on my wiki.. but for some reason i cant edit /mediawiki:sidebar page... any ideas?
[23:16:50] <Prodego>	Duxa: what is the error?
[23:17:05] <Duxa>	there is no error.. there is just no "Edit" button at the top of the page
[23:17:12] <brion>	Afker: nobody uses it and we never bothered whitelisting it, i guess? is it not in there?
[23:17:41] <Afker>	13(brion13): it is explicitly mentioned as being not supported on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_markup
[23:17:58] <flyingparchment>	Afker: please turn that script off
[23:18:11] <Afker>	script?
[23:18:20] <Prodego>	flyingparchment: I think it is just the client
[23:18:21] <flyingparchment>	the one that makes your text bold and adds annoying colours
[23:18:42] <Afker>	ouch, sorry that's an auto-nick complete, lemme hunt down the client settings
[23:19:01] <Prodego>	Afker: we see your comment as 13()
[23:19:05] <flyingparchment>	Prodego: i find it hard to believe there's a client that annoying by default ;)
[23:19:06] <Prodego>	that did not work...
[23:19:17] <brion>	Afker: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3156
[23:19:24] <Prodego>	flyingparchment: :)
[23:19:36] <Duxa>	can anyone help me out?
[23:19:38] <^demon>	brion: Was going to say bug 4740
[23:19:51] <brion>	^demon: that one's about adding new wiki table syntax for those things
[23:19:53] <brion>	*shudder*
[23:20:19] <Afker>	ouch low priority
[23:20:30] <CIA-60>	03demon * r48723 10/trunk/android-client/README: 
[23:20:30] <CIA-60>	* Remove useless FEATURES section, because it's not accurate.
[23:20:30] <CIA-60>	* Add a note saying that this doesn't work on 1.0 (thus: doesn't work on TMo G1, YET :)
[23:20:54] <Duxa>	Do I need to edit anything in the default install to able to edit the /mediawiki:sidebar ?
[23:21:04] *^demon 	is waiting for TMo to push the 1.1 code to the G1 :-\
[23:21:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request not to filter <tbody> and </tbody> codes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3156  +comment (10brion)
[23:21:51] <brion>	Duxa: nope
[23:22:25] <Duxa>	Is it stored somewhere in a php file or config file or something? so taht i can edit it manually and not via the wiki?
[23:22:42] <Afker>	I can't find where to set the nickcomplete formatting in the script )-: adn I don't know how to turn the *ENTIRE* script off
[23:22:57] <CIA-60>	03dale * r48724 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[23:22:57] <CIA-60>	updates for adding by url
[23:22:57] <CIA-60>	license updates
[23:22:57] <CIA-60>	improved mv_embed oggHanndler support
[23:23:08] <Afker>	nvmind, found it
[23:26:22] <Duxa>	Figured it out.. for some reason it wasnt cread lol.. there was a "Create" button... pressing it and saving created the page and it all works now... WEIRD =/
[23:38:34] <solifugus>	Mysteriously.. all the files of our wikis have dissappeared out of their folder.
[23:39:06] <solifugus>	the folder is just plain empty of files.. nothing in there
[23:39:38] <solifugus>	any possible explanation for this?  We have two mediawiki front ends.. it's a drupal-style multiple wiki site..
[23:39:50] <solifugus>	shares the files over NFS
[23:41:38] <poke`>	brion: Here you are, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ListTransclusions
[23:42:14] <brion>	solifugus: is it mounted?
[23:42:36] <solifugus>	yes.. its mounted.. but its erased even off the server..
[23:42:57] <solifugus>	we did have a power outage.. but.. they tell me they gracefully shut these systems down before the UPS ran out
[23:43:30] <solifugus>	that was last thursday.. someone just reported missing images to me, today
[23:43:44] <brion>	restore from backup?
[23:45:27] <solifugus>	I am looking in my backups now..
[23:45:39] <solifugus>	they are big tar.gz files
[23:45:59] <solifugus>	I kept both a binary (tar.gz) and also a mysql dump
[23:46:01] <solifugus>	daily
[23:46:13] <solifugus>	the question is... wtf?
[23:48:01] <solifugus>	Where there any major security vulnerabilities in version 1.12.0 ?
[23:48:27] <_KaszpiR_>	in the source xD
[23:49:34] <brion>	solifugus: couple of xss and csrf sort of things, nothing that would erase files without logging them.
[23:49:36] <_KaszpiR_>	maybe fsck wiped them out
[23:50:02] <brion>	most likely is that it's not mounted correctly or the FS was corrupted or someone didn't restore something properly
[23:50:15] <_KaszpiR_>	yea
[23:50:37] <solifugus>	maybe.. we had two outages.. in the last one, they say they shutdown gracefully before ups went out.. but before that, we had another in which i know it went down hard
[23:52:59] <brion>	poke`: i'd generally recommend delaying wfLoadExtensionMessages() until later; this'll trigger a full message setup early on every page hit, including those that don't end up doing any ui
[23:53:37] <brion>			$this->target = Title::newFromURL( $this->opts->getValue( 'target' ) );
[23:53:58] <poke`>	yeah, I had that like this at first, but when I added the link in the toolbox, I needed the message from somewhere ^^
[23:54:00] <brion>	note that can fail -- if not a valid title you'll end up with null
[23:54:08] <brion>	in which case you might want to indicate you've been given invalid input :)
[23:54:27] <poke`>	I check that two lines later
[23:54:36] <poke`>	if ( !$this->target ) return;
[23:54:38] <brion>	*nod* but it'll juts show a blank form
[23:54:48] <poke`>	which is what it should do ^^
[23:54:58] <poke`>	maybe you want to see an example running (on my home server though)
[23:55:04] <brion>					$this->skin->link( $this->target, $targetText, array(), array( 'redirect' => 'no' ) ) ) );
[23:55:17] <brion>	^ i think here you need an htmlspecialchars() on the text to avoid issues with titles containing &
[23:55:54] <poke`>	http://91.1.51.215/mediawiki/index.php/Special:ListTransclusions
[23:55:57] <brion>			if ( !$this->target->isKnown() )
[23:56:42] <brion>	^ this'll give false positives for pages which we treat as 'existing' such as remote images and message pages, but which will then fail when you can't do a sensible lookup with an id of 0
[23:57:12] <brion>	$rTpls <- in my shop you get shot for naming variables like this ;)
[23:57:19] <poke`>	:D
[23:58:17] <poke`>	I used target->exists() first, but then I had a red link for a (not existing) page within the MediaWiki: namespace - but which could theoretically still contain templates or images so I wanted to check that
[23:58:45] <brion>	well it wouldn't be in the database :)
[23:58:53] <brion>	tl_from = 0 ? nopes
[23:59:06] <poke`>	ah, I see
[23:59:26] <poke`>	okay, then just exists() is probably safer :)