[00:13:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Keep simplifed Chinese characters out of zh-tw please - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17794  (10jidanni)
[00:21:48] <CIA-78>	03dale * r49100 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (7 files in 6 dirs): 
[00:21:48] <CIA-78>	* added no results msg (when there are no results)
[00:21:48] <CIA-78>	* added title text to add media wizard
[00:21:48] <CIA-78>	* re-factored some language msg code.
[00:21:48] <CIA-78>	* fix bug in lack of updates of adjusted video in and out points
[00:23:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) make maintenance/update.php exit(1) so calling scripts can catch errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17948   +easy; +comment (10jidanni)
[00:26:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) E-Mail like Discussion-Citation-Indent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18293 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Extensions requests; (dasch_87)
[00:29:55] <whoops>	with the dia extension active, where the image should appear, i see the text "Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters" but I can create png from the commadn line.
[00:31:24] <whoops>	is anyone familiar with this extension?
[01:31:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Half-stylesheet solution botches 'Other special pages' at the bottom of Special:SpecialPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17974  +comment (10jidanni)
[01:47:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow user css/js on usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18294 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mikelifeguard)
[02:08:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	Isn't anyone going to read my bug report and tell me I'm not funny?
[02:11:47] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49101 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php specialpages/RevisionReview_body.php): 
[02:11:47] <CIA-78>	* Hide review checkbox as needed
[02:11:47] <CIA-78>	* Fixed notice
[02:41:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) UNIQ keys in section titles are unfortunate idea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18295 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (smile)
[02:50:36] *Splarka 	wonders if they think that is a feature
[02:52:12] <chuck>	Are there any extensions that facilitate public forms that will store a record of data?
[02:52:48] <OverlordQ>	Splarka: I was thinking the same thing . o O ( That probably isn't intentional )
[02:53:43] <Splarka>	it is an exposed strip marker and is there because a parse state didn't complete
[02:53:45] <Splarka>	or something
[02:54:50] <Splarka>	[[Vorlage:Purge|<nowiki>{{Purge|Kategorie aktualisieren}}</nowiki>]]
[02:54:53] <Splarka>	yah, that'd do it
[03:00:37] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49102 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.js: made color handling js more robust
[03:02:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Strip markers exposed in anchor links with ==[[Link|<nowiki>text</nowiki>]]== - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18295  summary; +comment (10herd)
[03:02:45] <chuck>	Does anyone seen "kim" in IRC oftec?
[03:02:47] <chuck>	*often
[03:03:00] <Splarka>	"I see dev people"
[03:04:04] <Splarka>	chuck: -NickServ- User seen  : (about 1 weeks ago)
[03:04:33] <Splarka>	add to your notify: kim_bruning, kim_register, kim  (but make sure they're identified, there is a false kim on now)
[03:05:06] <chuck>	Do you know if IRSSI has such a feature?
[03:05:10] *chuck 	checks with #irssi
[03:05:26] <Splarka>	"Irssi - The client of the future"
[03:05:32] <Splarka>	if it doesn't, then it sucks worse than chatzilla
[03:05:50] <chuck>	yeah, i don't totally agree with that slogan, but it's a really nice client for being CLI? :P
[03:05:51] <flyingparchment>	irssi is for people who don't know how to use ircII
[03:06:03] <chuck>	flyingparchment: nay, irssi is for people smart enough to not use ircII
[03:06:31] <flyingparchment>	most irssi users used to be bitchx uses, which used to be the client for people who don't know how to use ircii
[03:06:34] <flyingparchment>	now they use irssi instead
[03:06:36] <Splarka>	heh, it is like watching protestants argue with catholics
[03:06:43] <werdna>	I just started using irssi one day
[03:06:53] <chuck>	Splarka: except we're not burning each other at the stake (yet?)
[03:06:54] <Splarka>	"you both believe in invisible-sky-people, just STFU!"
[03:07:08] <werdna>	I like it, would be nice if there were a GUI version, though, call me shallow.
[03:07:14] *Splarka 	hugs his mIRC
[03:07:21] <Splarka>	only reason to use Windows, heh
[03:07:27] <chuck>	werdna: There is an unmaintained version of a GUI-ish version of irssi for Mac.
[03:07:40] <chuck>	Kind of nice, but a bit buggy. Would be nice if it was still maintained and/or open source.
[03:07:53] <flyingparchment>	i thought irssi was gpl, how could it not be open source?
[03:08:17] <chuck>	Hmm...
[03:08:27] <chuck>	Good question, maybe they didn't modify irssi somehow...
[03:08:45] <chuck>	nevermind, it's open source
[03:12:31] <werdna>	I would change away from irssi, but I can't give up the always-on-ness of irssi
[03:12:40] <werdna>	and bouncers are useess
[03:12:40] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49103 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Avoid pending rev count corruption
[03:12:43] *Emachman 	can't go to irssi
[03:12:46] <werdna>	useless
[03:13:50] <charlie->	werdna: IRSSI proxy maybe?
[03:14:23] <charlie->	It's basically a light bouncer that uses irssi, so your irssi connection and process will stay up and all of that, but you can also use a GUI client if you want.
[03:14:30] <charlie->	It doesn't work with XChat though...
[03:17:30] <werdna>	No, they're useless
[03:17:34] <werdna>	they don't give me my awaylog
[03:17:54] <werdna>	I don't think that a bouncer is an appropriate design for exactly what I'm after.
[03:18:02] <charlie->	What *are* you after?
[03:18:38] <werdna>	I want irssi, except (1) UI stuff done locally, to reduce lag.
[03:19:24] <chuck>	shoot
[03:19:28] <charlie->	test
[03:19:37] <werdna>	(2) A UI from the 21st century, with clickable links and sensible copying and a scrollbar instead of alt-p/n, and tabs as well as alt-num>
[03:20:10] <werdna>	(3) Growl alerts when I get a message.
[03:20:22] <chuck>	Not Colloquy? :P
[03:20:41] <chuck>	colloquy has all of the things you're talking about, not sure if you'd like it though
[03:20:44] <werdna>	COlloquy doesn't have the always-on stuff, scripting, etc.
[03:21:08] <chuck>	Well how does it stay always-on while being a local UI without using a bouncer?
[03:22:19] <werdna>	I think the IRC protocol is poory-designed for bouncers.
[03:22:22] <werdna>	It needs a dedicated protocol
[03:23:14] <chuck>	If you want an always-on connection, why isn't a bouncer what you want?
[03:23:18] <chuck>	Those have away logs.
[03:23:30] <chuck>	Or most of them do (as far as I know), anyways.
[03:23:48] <werdna>	They only send you messages sent *after* you reconnect, the away-log doesn't seem to work properly
[03:24:59] <chuck>	I'm sure you can make it work properly somehow
[03:25:07] <werdna>	i.e. I want the scrollback to be prefilled when I connect.
[03:25:20] <werdna>	I think I'm actually going to write my own protocol.
[03:25:33] <chuck>	yeah you're kind of describing impossible conditions :P
[03:25:39] <Splarka>	so you want a GUI frontent for a remote bouncer/backend?
[03:25:59] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49104 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Fix minor possible UI glitch with $wgFlagAvailability
[03:26:09] <chuck>	there's quassel, but its frontend sucks
[03:26:13] <werdna>	Right.
[03:26:27] <Splarka>	but no lag between GUI/client...
[03:26:30] <werdna>	Plus I want to do nifty things like send my awaylog to my phone
[03:26:34] <Splarka>	as chuck says, you have contrary requirements
[03:26:59] <werdna>	What are they?
[03:27:34] <Splarka>	prefilled scrollback but lack of lag
[03:27:55] <werdna>	no I mean typing lag and window-switching lag
[03:28:04] <werdna>	they drive me up the wall
[03:28:08] <Splarka>	"<werdna> They only send you messages sent *after* you reconnect"
[03:28:13] <Splarka>	should they just ditch them? heh
[03:28:18] <Splarka>	how can it send them to you before you reconnect
[03:28:30] <werdna>	MESSAGES SENT AFTER YOU RECONNECT
[03:28:43] <Splarka>	good frontends log
[03:28:44] <werdna>	basically I mean I want my scrollback prefilled when I first connect
[03:29:03] *chuck 	pats werdna's head and says that everything is going to be okay
[03:29:49] <Splarka>	heh
[03:29:54] <MrZ-man|busy>	Splarka: it could save them to a file and email them to you periodically
[03:30:12] <Splarka>	so write your own frontend bouncer, that sits on a dedicated server and sends all privmsg to your phone when you're not connected, and when you connect it sends you everything
[03:31:17] <werdna>	no because the timestamps would be wrong
[03:31:30] <Splarka>	not if you made them right
[03:31:52] <Splarka>	have the timestamps a function of the frontend and not the client
[03:32:28] <werdna>	that involves rewriting a client, which is what I was planning on doing anyway
[03:32:42] <Splarka>	nah, just have the frontend prefix each person's message with the timestamp
[03:33:15] <Splarka>	<Splarka> [12:34] nah, just have the frontend prefix each person's message with the timestamp
[03:33:19] <Splarka>	but only when you're not connected
[03:33:51] <werdna>	oh right
[03:33:54] <werdna>	that sounds evil
[03:33:56] <Splarka>	or send dummy PRIVMSG before each message, like <Splarka> [12:34]
[03:34:02] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49105 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[03:34:02] <CIA-78>	* Made $wgAutoReview more robust (and b/c). Edits can be auto-reviewed to higher levels if set to do so.
[03:34:02] <CIA-78>	* Make sure min QL and PL values are valid
[03:34:02] <CIA-78>	* Random small cleanups
[03:34:17] <werdna>	might as well add a module to irssi that does it properly
[03:34:39] <Splarka>	well, you /might/ want to connect with other clients
[03:34:55] <Splarka>	like if you're stuck at the office and all the macs are locked in a closet
[03:35:05] <chuck>	I do not like web design...
[03:35:17] <werdna>	I was thinking of writing a web client for it too
[03:35:18] <chuck>	Even when I actually try with a mockup and everything it turns out blah.
[03:35:32] <Splarka>	you might want to set up other protocols/tunnels to reach it too, like ssh, http, https, udp, ICMP
[03:35:44] <Splarka>	mmm, irc over icmp
[03:35:51] <chuck>	werdna: ajax chat applications are really hard to make :<
[03:35:51] <werdna>	heh
[03:35:56] <chuck>	or, hard to make well, I should say
[03:36:10] <werdna>	chuck: I'm sure I can figure out something
[03:36:10] <Splarka>	pshaw, who needs ajax
[03:36:17] <Splarka>	or even javascript
[03:36:25] <Splarka>	use form submits, frames, and meta refresh
[03:36:25] <chuck>	um
[03:36:40] <werdna>	haha
[03:36:41] <Splarka>	it works, I've used them, they suck
[03:36:49] <chuck>	Okay, that doesn't even make sense :P
[03:36:55] <werdna>	hey I wrote something like that once
[03:36:58] <werdna>	it wasn't TOO awful
[03:37:03] <werdna>	it was at least usable
[03:37:09] <chuck>	Why would you even do that if you could use AJAX polling, which still isn't good, but would probably work/look better than that :P
[03:37:16] <Splarka>	it does, you have a form in the top frame... targeted to the bottom frame, the bottom frame has a 5 second meta refresh
[03:37:27] <Splarka>	simple as can be
[03:37:38] <werdna>	I didn't even know about ajax in those days
[03:37:41] <werdna>	this was like 2004
[03:37:46] <Splarka>	heh
[03:37:49] <werdna>	gmail asn't out yet :D
[03:37:53] <chuck>	I don't think anyone else even knew about AJAX back then :P
[03:37:55] <Splarka>	this was like 1996 for me
[03:38:05] *werdna 	wonders how old Splarka is
[03:38:37] <Splarka>	it was a chat client built into some really old BBS software...
[03:39:02] <chuck>	wow
[03:39:10] <CIA-78>	03werdna * r49106 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/SpecialAbuseLog.php: Normalise usernames in abuse log, bug 18286
[03:39:18] *chuck 	is trying to make an ajax chat application with comety goodness, and it's kind of hard to make it work well
[03:39:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseLog and testing interfaces should normalize user names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18286  (10Andrew)
[04:00:12] <CIA-78>	03werdna * r49107 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.class.php AbuseFilter.i18n.php): Add timestamp variable
[04:00:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Expiry time option, on filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18246  +comment (10Andrew)
[04:05:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Morebots identica code disabled for throwing exceptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18106  +comment (10Andrew)
[04:07:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Strip markers exposed in anchor links with ==[[Link|<nowiki>text</nowiki>]]== - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18295  (10smile)
[04:28:15] <Marybelle>	!hesaidsemantic
[04:28:15] --mwbot--	http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[04:33:57] <Splarka>	yes, you did
[04:34:34] <CIA-78>	03werdna * r49108 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Usability work, making abuse filter forms readonly (rather than just lacking a submit button and rejecting submissions) for users without permission.
[04:35:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) can edit a filter, but not save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18205  +comment (10Andrew)
[04:42:32] *werdna 	sighs, adds these functions to abuse filter parser: 'substr' => 'funcSubstr', 'strlen' => 'funcLen', 'strpos' => 'funcStrPos', 'str_replace' => 'funcStrReplace',
[04:46:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expiry time option, on filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18246  (10FT2.wiki)
[05:02:43] <Mentifisto>	does anyone know why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Mentifisto/Title isn't working with anyone?
[05:02:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseLog and testing interfaces should normalize user names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18286  (10rohde)
[05:05:37] <CIA-78>	03werdna * r49109 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (3 files): String manipulation functions substr, str_replace and strpos for AbuseFilter
[05:05:53] <Marybelle>	Possible in AbuseFilter but not in template markup? 
[05:06:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) AbuseFilter string manipulation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18252  +comment (10Andrew)
[05:08:13] <Splarka>	Mentifisto: what is it supposed to do that it doesn't?
[05:08:57] <werdna>	Marybelle: yes, I don't see why not, since the abuse filter is a real language
[05:08:58] <Mentifisto>	display a title in the browser... e.g. Portal:Organized Labour made it to uncapitalize labour but it isn't now.
[05:09:16] <Marybelle>	werdna: 'cuse me? You call that a real language? O_O
[05:09:22] <werdna>	I'm actually thinking that it might be sensible to allow abuse filter syntax to be used in pages.
[05:09:43] <Splarka>	ahh, Mentifisto: wasn't that deprecated for native {{DISPLAYTITLE}} ?
[05:10:13] <Splarka>	hmm, the javascript is still there though
[05:10:59] <werdna>	but that's me being all pie in the sky
[05:11:15] <CorpX>	are there any extensions that'll let me delete a revision
[05:11:22] <Splarka>	Mentifisto: try replacing that with {{DISPLAYTITLE:{{{title|{{{1}}}}}}}}
[05:11:26] <werdna>	core will work
[05:11:33] <werdna>	CorpX: you should be able to do it in core
[05:11:41] <CorpX>	where at?
[05:11:44] <CorpX>	i have all the admin rights
[05:11:50] <Marybelle>	Assuming you're using a new enough version of MediaWiki.
[05:12:11] <CorpX>	1.13.4
[05:12:20] <Splarka>	in older versions: delete the article, restore all but the single revision.... or... delete the article, undelete one revision, move it, delete it, and then restore the article itself
[05:12:38] <CorpX>	ok
[05:12:38] <Splarka>	or install the oversight extension
[05:12:48] <Splarka>	in the newer versions oversight is a core feature called "revision suppression"
[05:12:51] <CorpX>	oversight sounds easier
[05:12:52] <CorpX>	:)
[05:13:00] <CorpX>	thanks
[05:13:05] <Marybelle>	Easiest is enabling the core feature.
[05:13:13] <Splarka>	when was revision suppression added? was it in 1.13?
[05:13:20] <Marybelle>	1.10-ish.
[05:13:30] <Marybelle>	It's just switching a variable in LocalSettings.php, CorpX.
[05:13:37] <Splarka>	yah, then do that
[05:13:50] <CorpX>	oh
[05:13:50] <Marybelle>	Though you probably wouldn't want to use the earlier versions. It was added and then left alone for a long time.
[05:14:04] <CorpX>	so go with oversight?
[05:14:15] <Marybelle>	Go with the core feature. The variable name is...
[05:14:21] <Marybelle>	!defaultsettings
[05:14:21] --mwbot--	For the current version of DefaultSettings.php, see: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup>.
[05:14:42] <Marybelle>	#$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['deleterevision']  = true;
[05:14:43] <Splarka>	is it a variable? I think it is a right
[05:14:56] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['suppressrevision'] = true;
[05:15:10] <CorpX>	ok
[05:15:15] <Marybelle>	Add that right without the #.
[05:15:17] <Marybelle>	That too.
[05:15:17] <Splarka>	suppress >  delete
[05:15:26] <Mentifisto>	Splarka: still not working
[05:15:36] <Splarka>	Mentifisto: give me an example of it not working
[05:15:40] <CorpX>	i see a "show/hide" thing now
[05:15:43] <CorpX>	i guess that'll do it?
[05:15:46] <Marybelle>	Yep.
[05:17:42] <Mentifisto>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Organized_Labour
[05:18:59] <Splarka>	{{User:Mentifisto/Title|Portal:Organized labour}}<!-- Affects the page's title in the browser window -->
[05:19:19] <Splarka>	that doesn't normalize to a valid link: [[Portal:Organized labour]]
[05:19:40] <Splarka>	only the first letter if a page name is case-insensitive on en.wp
[05:19:44] <Splarka>	next?
[05:19:55] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Delldot  -> {{User:Mentifisto/Title|delldot}}
[05:20:03] <Splarka>	you can't omit the namespace, should be: {{User:Mentifisto/Title|User:delldot}}
[05:20:19] <Mentifisto>	they worked before
[05:20:48] <Mentifisto>	it's not about a link... it's just about that text in the upper left corner of the browser
[05:21:10] <Splarka>	maybe you didn't know it, but a lot of people, a /lot/, create links by copying that text
[05:22:00] <Splarka>	and the javascript on en.wp as far as I know should always have been aware of that, and not allowed breaking changes, (same as DISPLAYTITLE does now)
[05:22:15] <Splarka>	when did this last "work" that you are sure of?
[05:23:21] <Mentifisto>	I noticed it's broken a few days ago, I'm not sure exactly when it last worked
[05:24:12] *Splarka 	adds a link to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RevisionDelete in !oversight
[05:26:27] <Splarka>	hmm, the last change to the code was a few weeks ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.js#Technical_restrictions_bugfixes
[05:26:36] <Prodego>	why does mediawiki ping me
[05:28:20] <Splarka>	but that change shouldn't have caused your symptoms
[05:31:42] <Mentifisto>	Splarka: I don't think we were referring to the same thing btw. /Title doesn't change the text in the upper left corner of the wiki page, but the one in the browser (where it also says "from wikipedia...")
[05:32:31] <Splarka>	ahh
[05:32:31] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js&diff=277488656&oldid=271900061
[05:32:36] <Splarka>	well that was changed there, and was intended
[05:33:07] <Splarka>	why you ask? -> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998#c20
[05:33:23] <Splarka>	<from the voice of god> IMHO if it's not in the <h1> it shouldn't be in the <title>.
[05:34:41] <Splarka>	you can register complaints at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.js#Technical_restrictions_bugfixes
[05:34:45] <Splarka>	not a mediawiki issue
[05:36:51] <Lucifer_Samiyaza>	is there a page for tips on creating extensions?
[05:37:45] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions
[05:37:46] <Mentifisto>	why was it a problem with the back and forth article if it did display the correct film name?
[05:38:34] <Splarka>	Lucifer_Samiyaza: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions
[05:38:53] <Splarka>	what kind are you considering? Special page, <parsertag>, {{#parserfunction}}, other?
[05:40:11] <Lucifer_Samiyaza>	specilapage
[05:40:29] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages
[05:42:03] <Splarka>	also see: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Special_page_extensions  for existing examples (GPL means never having to write stuff from scratch)
[05:46:06] <Mentifisto>	does displaytitle even work? I tried it on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AMentifisto%2FSandbox&action=purge and nothing's changed
[05:46:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18296 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (FT2.wiki)
[05:48:15] <Splarka>	Mentifisto: as stated, it only works to change the <h1> into something that can be copy/pasted into a valid link to the page, so {{DISPLAYTITLE:user:mentifisto/Sandbox}} would work for example
[05:48:42] <Splarka>	and it currently won't change the <title> and <h1> separately (see the bug in question for why)
[05:50:07] <Splarka>	<h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading">Editing user:mentifisto/Sandbox</h1>  && <title>user:mentifisto/Sandbox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</title>
[05:50:37] <Splarka>	see also: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle
[05:50:59] <Mentifisto>	actually that one was an example from the mediawiki help files... so they're incorrect :o
[05:51:02] <Splarka>	only set false on: 'wikimania2009wiki' => 'false',
[05:51:31] <Splarka>	Mentifisto: where? [citation needed]
[05:55:07] <Mentifisto>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Miscellany
[05:56:02] <Splarka>	from 1.7 to 1.10, {{DISPLAYTITLE:xyz}} would do that, but was disabled by default and was never enabled on any WMF site, except test.wp
[05:56:05] <Nikerabbit>	argh
[05:56:08] <Splarka>	but it was found to be useless
[05:56:19] <Nikerabbit>	I hate it when the bug reporters think they know better than us
[05:56:24] <Splarka>	in 1.11 it was changed to mimick the javascript RealTitle hack and enabled globally
[05:56:38] <CIA-78>	03werdna * r49110 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.i18n.php AbuseFilter.parser.php): Add syntax error messages for invalid regexes
[05:56:48] <Splarka>	Mentifisto: the documentation is correct for the era, and if "$wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false"
[05:57:03] <Splarka>	and if the page was called [[Xyz]]
[05:57:14] <Splarka>	plus > This page has been replaced by "Help:Magic words" on MediaWiki.org
[05:57:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Make regex errors user visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18156  +comment (10Andrew)
[05:57:52] <Splarka>	/plus/ it is in italics, which even then meant "this is an example, don't take it literally
[05:58:02] <Mentifisto>	:)
[05:58:20] <Splarka>	any other questions?
[05:58:34] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: [citation needed] ^_^, which bug?
[05:59:37] <Nikerabbit>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18270
[06:00:27] <Nikerabbit>	I'm officially from now on not going to take any action on bugs by irritating people
[06:00:33] <Mentifisto>	so it was enabled after 1.10 and disabled recently then?
[06:01:03] <Splarka>	no
[06:01:22] <Splarka>	it was created in 1.7, never enabled, changed in 1.11, enabled after that
[06:01:40] <Splarka>	and since 1.11, since it was enabled, behavior has been consistent
[06:01:52] <Splarka>	with a few changes on trunk that I don't think made it to scap
[06:02:05] <Splarka>	like allowing <sup> and <i> and crap
[06:02:56] <Mentifisto>	dissimilar titles have never been allowed?
[06:03:54] <Splarka>	only in <title> and only via javascript and only because of a bug in the javascript
[06:04:36] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: I told brion so, that serving 404 is bad, heh (which is their actual problem)
[06:05:12] <Splarka>	but really, User and User_talk non-subpages should never serve 404
[06:05:17] <Splarka>	if the user exists
[06:05:26] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17042
[06:06:25] <Splarka>	search redirects will send people to like User:Foo even if the page doesn't exist
[06:06:47] <Splarka>	per brion's comment, you could probably dupe that bug to 17042
[06:12:28] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: mabbe
[06:12:59] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: but no
[06:13:12] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: iis should not replace the 404 error page
[06:13:26] <Splarka>	sure, but the break was caused by a change in MediaWiki
[06:13:36] <Splarka>	it worked before, doesn't work now
[06:13:37] <Nikerabbit>	we cannot work around that by not sending 404 in some cases
[06:14:03] <Splarka>	populated non-empty categories don't serve 404
[06:14:20] <Splarka>	existing user and user talk pages shouldn't serve 404 either, while they can beo 302'd to from Search
[06:14:21] <Nikerabbit>	writing something in the url creates 404
[06:14:29] <Splarka>	right
[06:14:34] <Splarka>	clicking redlinks can create 404 too
[06:14:36] <Nikerabbit>	there is no pointing listing some special cases
[06:14:38] <Splarka>	but not typing something in search
[06:14:53] <Splarka>	if you type in search, and hit 'Go', you should never immediately get a 404
[06:15:09] <Nikerabbit>	I don't give a fuck if iis is broken, it is someone else's job to fix it
[06:15:25] <Splarka>	nothing to do specifically with iis in the case of my bug
[06:15:35] <Splarka>	but my bug has a 50% chance of fixing their problem
[06:15:48] <Splarka>	-> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=AJHSAUHS&go=Go
[06:15:51] <Splarka>	does not take you to 404
[06:16:05] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=User:Nosuchuser&go=Go  <-- does take you to 404
[06:16:33] <Splarka>	if existing users are excluded from that 404 serving, their specific problem would go away
[06:22:06] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: until they find the other problems...
[06:22:35] <Splarka>	yah yah
[06:23:20] <Splarka>	my point is it was an unnecessary change to mediawiki that has more negative impact (pages are inaccessable by some browsers and behind some ISPs, both servers and clients) than positive
[06:23:20] <werdna>	hi domas 
[06:53:31] <CIA-78>	03werdna * r49111 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (4 files): Support for variable setting with the set_var function, and multiple expressions separated by semicolons (;). In evaluation, the result of the LAST expression will be the return value.
[06:53:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Ability to define variables within a filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18160  +comment (10Andrew)
[06:53:51] <werdna>	please don't kill me, velociraptors
[06:54:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451  (10Andrew)
[06:55:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) AbuseFilter log pages need an extra "navigation table" and log links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18070  (10Andrew)
[06:56:48] <werdna>	6 bugs fixed.
[06:57:01] <wikibugs>	03(RESOLVED) RevisionDeleted fails on latest revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17543  +comment (10dmcdevit)
[07:10:38] <CIA-78>	03catrope * r49112 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/rebuildrecentchanges.inc): (bug 18291) rebuildrecentchanges.php failed to add deletion log entries
[07:26:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) rebuildrecentchanges zaps all deletions due to looking in wrong table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18291  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[07:26:54] <kraut>	moin
[07:27:09] *Splarka 	sets roan trap
[07:28:22] <gamla_kossan>	...roan trap?
[07:28:23] <gamla_kossan>	what's that?
[07:29:00] <werdna>	for catching roan
[07:30:28] <Nikerabbit>	:O
[07:32:02] <gamla_kossan>	but.... what's a roan? :)
[07:33:10] <werdna>	gamla_kossan: Roan is a person
[07:33:31] <Splarka>	that's debatable
[07:33:40] <Splarka>	he is so efficient he might be a robot
[07:35:41] <Nikerabbit>	have people used paypal? is it ok?
[07:36:03] <charitwo>	the folks in ##php always talk crap about it, but i've never any problems
[07:36:18] <Nikerabbit>	wow
[07:36:54] <Nikerabbit>	like the ##php folks would be allowed talk crap anything but it itself
[07:36:56] *Splarka 	eeks and holds up a dollar sign to warn off the evil
[07:38:01] <gamla_kossan>	Nikerabbit: I'd rather use google checkout, but I guess paypal sould be ok :)
[07:38:07] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: always read the negative reviews... if the opposition are just talking shit and sounding incohereing, then they can be safely ignored... but if there is a pattern of valid and consistent objection, take heed: http://www.paypalsucks.com/
[07:38:20] <gamla_kossan>	you know....... if I want to have two columns on a wiki page, how would I go about it?
[07:38:50] <Splarka>	gamla_kossan: the only safe method is either a table or two 50% floating divs
[07:38:59] <gamla_kossan>	oh..
[07:39:03] <Splarka>	automatic CSS columnization isn't advanced enough yet for real world applications
[07:39:17] <Splarka>	(or, supported that is, too many IE users)
[07:39:19] <gamla_kossan>	I was kind of hoping for a magical extension or something. I just odn't like editing html :)
[07:39:35] <gamla_kossan>	but, I guess if that's the way it should be done, then it's the way it should be done.
[07:39:42] <Splarka>	oh, so you don't mean like automatic vertical wrapping?
[07:40:03] <Splarka>	you can do it with wikicode or templates, as substitutes for html
[07:40:18] <gamla_kossan>	wiki... code?
[07:40:22] <gamla_kossan>	templates?
[07:40:26] <Splarka>	mediawiki markup
[07:40:33] <gamla_kossan>	ah
[07:40:47] <gamla_kossan>	cool, so it exists ootb then?
[07:40:51] <Splarka>	{| border=1
[07:40:57] <Splarka>	|| this is the left column
[07:41:00] <Splarka>	|| this is the right column
[07:41:02] <Splarka>	|}
[07:41:16] <gamla_kossan>	cool, gonna try it right away :)
[07:41:20] <Splarka>	(you'd want to use proper CSS borders in site-wide CSS of course)
[07:43:22] <Splarka>	there is a CSS 3 draft property, that works in some browsers: "column-count", that will vertically wrap, it has some vendor specific predecessors too, -moz-column-count and -webkit-column-count, so many support it, but not all
[07:44:21] <gamla_kossan>	this is great. is there some way I could expand the columns horizontally?
[07:44:43] <Splarka>	yah
[07:44:51] <Splarka>	{| style="width:100%"
[07:45:07] <Splarka>	anything after {| is put into the <table> tag as parameters (if valid)
[07:45:59] <gamla_kossan>	this is just awesome.
[07:46:35] <gamla_kossan>	is there some way I could get rid of the.. what do oy ucall it....... the blue box that shows the page content?
[07:47:01] <Splarka>	blue?
[07:47:08] <gamla_kossan>	maybe not blue :)
[07:47:22] <Splarka>	see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table for wikitable help, btw
[07:47:29] <Splarka>	not blue? link or pic?
[07:47:44] <gamla_kossan>	thanks
[07:47:50] <gamla_kossan>	sec, trying to find a link
[07:47:56] <gamla_kossan>	oh
[07:47:57] <gamla_kossan>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table
[07:47:59] <gamla_kossan>	the content box
[07:48:09] <gamla_kossan>	maybe it's a little green-ish
[07:48:11] <gamla_kossan>	:)
[07:48:33] <Splarka>	the Table of Contents? __NOTOC__
[07:48:39] <gamla_kossan>	awesome
[07:49:21] <Splarka>	you might want to copy the prettytable classes to your MediaWiki:Common.css if you want some basic styles
[07:49:38] <gamla_kossan>	cool
[07:49:57] <gamla_kossan>	this is awesome, I thought I already knew what could be done with mediawiki
[07:50:15] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?HJO9vXS2sJqmrHhUAcS8UA  to your MediaWiki:Common.css  (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css )
[07:50:17] <gamla_kossan>	you know, is there some way I could get rid of the "Main Page" headline on the mainpage?
[07:50:23] <Splarka>	heh
[07:50:52] <Splarka>	every page has a <body> tag with a page-PAGENAME (escaped) class
[07:50:56] <Splarka>	what is your main page called?
[07:51:43] <gamla_kossan>	well, it's actually called "Main page" but in swedish, "Huvudsida" 
[07:52:26] <gamla_kossan>	but it's just a big table of contents, divided into two columns now thanks to you, 'infrastructure' and 'applications'
[07:52:29] <Splarka>	you use Monobook default skin?
[07:52:31] <gamla_kossan>	yeah
[07:52:59] <Splarka>	body.page-Huvudsida #lastmod, body.page-Huvudsida #siteSub, body.page-Huvudsida #contentSub, body.page-Huvudsida h1.firstHeading { display: none !important;}
[07:53:04] <Splarka>	to MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[07:53:08] <gamla_kossan>	ah
[07:53:16] <Splarka>	note that would work in Common.css but is mostly only applicable to Monobook
[07:53:17] <gamla_kossan>	thanks a lot for helping me out Splarka 
[07:53:23] <Splarka>	bork bork
[07:53:25] <gamla_kossan>	hehe
[07:53:30] <Splarka>	(my swedish isn't too good)
[07:53:42] <gamla_kossan>	I get that a lot ;)
[07:53:42] <Splarka>	but that should be lag�m
[07:53:50] <gamla_kossan>	=)
[07:54:24] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[07:54:56] <Nikerabbit>	kossan?
[07:55:07] <gamla_kossan>	yeah?
[07:59:20] <gamla_kossan>	sweet, coffee time
[08:05:36] <Splarka>	"old cow"
[08:23:03] <gamla_kossan>	:>
[08:23:38] <gamla_kossan>	hm, doing it with wiki markup is probably the wrong way of doing columns though. iirc one shouldn't use tables for layout.
[08:23:57] <gamla_kossan>	so I guess that means I should hack the css then after all?
[08:24:05] <Splarka>	some things just have to be done in tables as old browsers don't support the CSS cool enough to do it "right"
[08:24:26] <Marybelle>	Tables are fine.
[08:24:26] <Splarka>	but you could just do two divs the same width floating next to each other
[08:24:34] <Marybelle>	CSS elitists can stuff it.
[08:24:49] <Splarka>	but then you couldn't make them scale to the same height automatically and scale to fit the contents at the same time
[08:25:14] <Splarka>	(unless you used the table-emulating crap in CSS... which... well... heh)
[08:26:59] <TimStarling>	Conflict discovered in 'SecurePoll.i18n.php'.
[08:27:10] <TimStarling>	what part of "work in progress" don't you understand?
[08:28:31] <domas>	ž))
[08:28:32] <domas>	:)
[08:29:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Credits page repeats a specific user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18297 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[08:30:03] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/
[08:30:14] <Splarka>	is it funny that not one edit of yours is on top?
[08:30:33] <TimStarling>	all those commits removing trailing whitespace are causing conflicts
[08:30:38] <Splarka>	oop, one
[08:30:52] <gamla_kossan>	Splarka, Marybelle: also, I think I'll have to try out CSS:ing it, because for some reason the top headlines of the two columns are not on the same line. really odd.
[08:30:53] <TimStarling>	seriously
[08:31:02] <Marybelle>	Just overwrite them?
[08:31:11] <Splarka>	gamla_kossan: try valign="top"
[08:31:11] <domas>	lol  "stylize"
[08:31:46] <gamla_kossan>	Splarka: no luck
[08:31:53] <Splarka>	in the td
[08:32:51] <gamla_kossan>	is that equivalent to {|style="width:100%" valign="top"?
[08:32:56] <gamla_kossan>	(that's how it is now)
[08:33:31] <Splarka>	no, in the td
[08:33:34] <gamla_kossan>	Marybelle: was that to me?
[08:33:47] <gamla_kossan>	Splarka: oh
[08:33:47] <Splarka>	sec
[08:33:52] <Marybelle>	No.
[08:33:55] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?contexttitle=&input=%7B%7C+border%3D1%0D%0A%7Cvalign%3D%22top%22%7C+this+is+the+left+column%0D%0A%7Cvalign%3D%22top%22%7C+this+is+the+right+column%3Cbr%2F%3Eit+has+multiple+lines%3Cbr%2F%3Eit+is+naughty%0D%0A%7C%7D&removecomments=1
[08:34:08] <gamla_kossan>	Marybelle: good, it had me a little confused.
[08:34:09] <gamla_kossan>	:)
[08:34:39] <gamla_kossan>	Splarka: oooh
[08:34:40] <gamla_kossan>	cool
[08:34:43] <gamla_kossan>	trying that right away
[08:35:05] <CIA-78>	03tstarling * r49113 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Completed list page, AJAJ strike/unstrike, details page, strike log. Thanks to Splarka for his strike/unstrike UI mockup, some code from that has been included verbatim.
[08:35:42] <gamla_kossan>	Splarka: that did the trick :D
[08:35:43] <Splarka>	mmm, commit love
[08:36:07] <gamla_kossan>	Splarka: find yourself in stockholm, and I'll buy you the best coffee ever 
[08:36:08] <gamla_kossan>	=)
[08:36:25] <Splarka>	been there a few times, too expensive now:/
[08:36:45] <gamla_kossan>	yeah, we live in the outskirt of the world
[08:36:48] <Splarka>	(friends in Ume�)
[08:36:52] <gamla_kossan>	ah
[08:37:03] <gamla_kossan>	where are you at?
[08:37:09] <Splarka>	central California
[08:37:14] <gamla_kossan>	lols
[08:37:15] <gamla_kossan>	sweet
[08:37:16] <gamla_kossan>	:>
[08:38:12] <Nikerabbit>	i thought splarka does not code
[08:38:51] <Splarka>	javascript doesn't count!
[08:39:17] <Splarka>	tim: tested it in IE/Opera yet?
[08:39:45] <TimStarling>	no
[08:40:06] <TimStarling>	I'll give all the vote admins instructions on how to install FF
[08:40:12] <TimStarling>	that should fix that problem
[08:40:31] <Splarka>	heh
[08:40:54] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: if you wonder why it is translated ircc cary asked for it
[08:41:43] <TimStarling>	I've left the translations unlocked so you can keep adding to them
[08:41:46] <TimStarling>	I locked the rest of the files
[08:42:02] <TimStarling>	you can stylize them *after* I've finished editing them
[08:43:14] <Nikerabbit>	that is not my thing then
[08:49:03] <CIA-78>	03raymond * r49114 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Per r49113: Make some messages optional
[08:51:10] <CIA-78>	03tstarling * r49115 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: In OutputPage::addScriptFile(): escape attributes for HTML. No XSS, just good practice.
[08:52:07] <CIA-78>	03tstarling * r49116 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Pager.php: 
[08:52:07] <CIA-78>	* Escape attribute values
[08:52:07] <CIA-78>	* Document getRowClass()
[08:54:30] <CIA-78>	03tstarling * r49117 10/trunk/phase3/includes/IP.php: 
[08:54:30] <CIA-78>	Changes required by the current version of SecurePoll:
[08:54:30] <CIA-78>	* Add IP::formatHex(), the inverse of IP::toHex(). So that you don't have to guess if it's IPv4 or IPv6.
[08:54:31] <CIA-78>	* Rewrite IP::hexToQuad() so it actually works.
[08:59:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Security problem with supressing redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18298 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (lolsimon)
[09:00:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Security problem with supressing redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18298  normal->highest (10lolsimon)
[09:00:11] *gamla_kossan 	is happy
[09:00:20] <gamla_kossan>	the wiki just looks so awesome now
[09:01:50] <Marybelle>	Component: wikibugs.
[09:01:57] <Marybelle>	That's an interesting choice.
[09:02:07] <Marybelle>	The bug is a dupe.
[09:02:12] <Splarka>	well, it proves my bug
[09:02:31] *Splarka 	has an open wikibugs but for stupid "normal->highest" after-the-factings
[09:02:46] <Splarka>	^bug
[09:02:59] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17895
[09:05:52] *Splarka 	points Tim to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Extension:ParserFunctions#Rand.28.29_for_.23expr:.3F so he can maybe explain it better if he wants (or "nip it in the bud" before a bug is opened)
[09:06:00] <gamla_kossan>	hm, what to do now........ work or relax?
[09:06:11] <gamla_kossan>	hm........ I'm opting for relax.
[09:06:16] <gamla_kossan>	still early.
[09:06:16] <gamla_kossan>	:>
[09:06:39] <Splarka>	bah, mediawiki mark up /is/ relaxing
[09:06:53] <Splarka>	{{{whee}}}
[09:07:44] <gamla_kossan>	:>
[09:07:53] <gamla_kossan>	it's true
[09:08:06] <gamla_kossan>	esp when things start to look good
[09:10:12] <TimStarling>	Splarka: replied on the page
[09:12:10] <Splarka>	huh, I didn't know that
[09:12:54] <Splarka>	probably someone should add #rand to RandomSelection with a cache disable applied (and then it can be cheerfully ignored by WMF)
[09:16:26] <domas>	did you people see http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/03/31/breaking-internet-explorer-81-eagle-eyes-leaked/ yet?
[09:16:50] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicFunctions  ahh, that has a #rand
[09:18:51] <NicDumZ>	*Graph created with MS Excel to showcase Microsoft's greatness in the software market. perrrrrrrrfect
[09:19:19] <Splarka>	mmm, April 1
[09:22:03] *Splarka 	changes topic to 'MediaWiki to be re-licensed under CC-BY-NC-ND, discuss on mediawiki-l | We need Summer of Code mentors! http://ur1.ca/2swr | MediaWiki development & support | Read the FAQ! http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ | Bugzilla https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ | Security fixes: 1.13.5 1.12.4, 1.6.12 | Latest stable: 1.14.0 for PHP5, 1.6.12 for PHP4 | Don't paste text to the channel, use http://rafb.net/paste/'
[09:22:21] <flyingparchment>	domas: i don't get it; is it meant to be funny?
[09:26:51] <werdna>	I think so
[09:27:46] <domas>	flyingparchment: there're few funny parts :)
[09:28:09] <gamla_kossan>	if I have spaces in my filenames (well, it's actually one of the admins on the team), how can I link to those files?
[09:28:34] <gamla_kossan>	wait, it was %20
[09:28:35] <Splarka>	underscores if they're uploaded, %20 if offsite
[09:32:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Strip markers exposed in anchor links with ==[[Link|<nowiki>text</nowiki>]]== - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18295  (10paul.copperman)
[09:34:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Strip markers exposed in anchor links with ==[[Link|<nowiki>text</nowiki>]]== - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18295   +need-review +patch (10paul.copperman)
[09:34:58] <duns>	Hi, I am new in this chat: do you hear me?
[09:35:26] <Wuzur|rhn>	we can
[09:36:16] <duns>	So, excuse for my prec. obvius.I am a new user of Wiki, and I wish hide my registered users from the anonimous users: is possibile?
[09:43:13] <zocky>	duns, do you want anonymous users to edit the wiki or not?
[09:45:09] <zocky>	if you do, it's probably not possible, if you don't, it's possible that it can be done, but it would probably require some extra coding, because there are many ways to see who edited which page in the wiki
[09:50:33] <duns>	Not, I do not want neither edit nor view the users: only view the pages
[09:53:16] <merriam>	duns: so you want to use mediawiki as a cms and publish to static pages?
[09:53:56] <duns>	not exactly: I want rescrit the editing only for a few numeber of users
[09:55:59] *Splarka 	ponders !morbo
[09:57:02] <merriam>	Within the wiki, restricting editing is probably easy.  dreamhost does that with its one-click mediawiki installs.
[09:57:56] <p858snake>	duns: restrict everyone then create a group that can edit and assign the members to it
[09:58:08] <duns>	I know how restrict the editing, what I don't know is how hide the list of users from the anonymous visitors
[09:58:17] <domas>	okok, in spirit of good april 1 jokes
[09:58:21] <domas>	check out youtube frontpage
[09:58:48] <merriam>	duns:  If you want to hide _all_ of the "dynamic" stuff from unregistered users -- or significant parts, such as the list of users -- you might as well use static copies of the pages.
[09:59:04] <duns>	How?
[09:59:35] <merriam>	I'd like to know a good way to do that too.
[10:00:25] <duns>	OK, thank you allways
[10:00:27] <merriam>	Wikimedia isn't designed to restrict information.  I don't think there's an easy way to do it besides using a static version.
[10:00:46] <Wuzur|rhn>	!e DisableSpecialPages | duns
[10:00:46] --mwbot--	duns: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DisableSpecialPages
[10:01:01] <duns>	Thanks mwbot
[10:01:09] <merriam>	ah, interesting
[10:01:21] <merriam>	duns: that's Wuzur|rhn, not the bot...
[10:01:50] <duns>	OK Wuzur|rhn :)
[10:04:04] <Guest14359>	what about youtubes frontpage? 
[10:06:18] <Guest58635>	oO msg nickserv to identify within 30 seconds... -> msg nickserv identify -> NickServ no such channel or user
[10:10:17] <asgaroth->	domas?
[10:15:06] <merriam>	asgaroth-: the spotlight videos
[10:18:50] <asgaroth->	thanks... but im located in germany so youtube has localized itself... i tried turning it to worldwide/english (US) but nothing to extraordinary there :)
[10:19:07] <asgaroth->	lol 
[10:19:09] <asgaroth->	got it
[10:19:30] <asgaroth->	could see it only when clicking on it
[10:20:02] <domas>	=)
[10:20:46] <Lovenia>	hmmm
[10:21:12] <asgaroth->	that was quite funny
[10:21:29] <asgaroth->	i looked at the excorcist walk video xD
[10:22:44] <Lovenia>	huuuaaayeemm
[10:23:34] <Splarka>	google's prank seems to be a bit more esoteric, a fusion of panda and SkyNet
[10:23:47] <Splarka>	unless it isn't a prank... in which case, are we all doomed to eat bamboo?
[10:27:40] <asgaroth->	you mean on google news? 
[10:28:47] <p858snake>	no on google maps
[10:29:07] <Atyndall>	Would someone be able to provide me with some in depth assistance as to why my code does not pass Cookie: headers to the mediawiki api correctly, and how I could rectify these problems?
[10:29:10] <Splarka>	... everywhere, anywhere
[10:29:24] <Splarka>	I saw it on http://www.google.com/ and http://images.google.com for example
[10:29:38] <zocky>	if I wanted to go to berlin for the meetup, am i already too late? should I have registered/whatever earlier?
[10:29:55] <Duesentrieb>	zocky: yes, two weeks to late.
[10:30:03] <zocky>	thought so
[10:30:17] <Duesentrieb>	next time we'll plan for more people
[10:30:20] <zocky>	well, such is life
[10:30:58] <Duesentrieb>	i'm really amazed how many people wanted to come in the end. and i'm sad we had to turn several down :/
[10:31:30] <zocky>	Duesentrieb, is the meeting place too small, or what?
[10:31:54] <Splarka>	teleconference it?
[10:33:13] <zocky>	yikes, what a scary panda, not to mention unicorns
[10:33:14] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: doesn't make sense. we are not really doing presentations.
[10:33:20] <zocky>	Splarka, remind me never to click on your links :)
[10:33:22] <asgaroth->	i only get a panda when using streetview on google maps
[10:33:37] <Duesentrieb>	zocky: yes, to small for > 60 people.
[10:33:47] <Duesentrieb>	i expected 30 max :)
[10:34:17] <asgaroth->	ah i see... it localizes everything automatically
[10:34:50] <asgaroth->	i tried to remove german in preferred languages in firefox but it somehow doesn't help
[10:35:07] *Splarka 	wonders why google is so scary to zocky
[10:35:21] *Splarka 	covers zocky in rainbows
[10:35:47] <zocky>	Splarka, ah, over the years in #wikipedia, I've developed a phobia for anything that has fur :)
[10:35:48] *asgaroth- 	wonders why everbody sees april jokes
[10:36:20] *Splarka 	sends zocky to #wikifur
[10:36:47] <asgaroth->	#furpedia? xD
[10:37:45] <gamla_kossan>	!morbo wikis
[10:37:45] --mwbot--	http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/330/morbomediawikiaf9.jpg
[10:37:56] <gamla_kossan>	:DDDDDDDDD
[10:38:09] <zocky>	hehehe
[10:38:26] <asgaroth->	 http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/330/morbomediawikiaf9.jpg
[10:38:31] <asgaroth->	oh
[10:38:32] <asgaroth->	sry
[10:38:34] <gamla_kossan>	=)
[10:39:29] <Splarka>	that's for people who want per-page view restriction hacks
[10:40:01] <asgaroth->	yeah.. finaly -.- i got the panda ^^
[10:40:51] *gamla_kossan 	is full.
[10:55:04] <Atyndall>	Would anyone be up to assisting me with some PHP>API cookie issues?
[11:17:17] <Atyndall>	Anyone here skilled with the cookie system used by mediawiki?
[11:36:36] <Nikerabbit>	"system"
[11:44:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Stopping media clips - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18281  -bugday -easy  (10tstarling)
[11:48:34] <Splarka>	not easy? heh
[11:49:42] <Nikerabbit>	18298 is funny
[11:53:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDeleted fails on latest revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17543  (10JSchulz_4587)
[11:59:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Keep simplifed Chinese characters out of zh-tw please - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17794  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[12:11:54] <dutchman>	Hello 
[12:12:14] <dutchman>	I wonder if someone can help me with a extension or setting i am looking for.
[12:12:52] <Nikerabbit>	just ask
[12:12:55] <dutchman>	Is there a way to force users to use a e-mail adress when registering that he has to validate his account ?
[12:13:17] <dutchman>	So if someone registers, he gets a email with a link to validate 
[12:13:46] <Splarka>	do you want their account to exist before they confirm, but not be able to edit?
[12:13:48] <dutchman>	i searched the hell but i cannot find it..only a extension where you can "request" an account and the bureaucrat has to validate it manually
[12:13:52] <Splarka>	or for their account to not be created until they confirm?
[12:14:04] <dutchman>	yes exactly...created when confirmed
[12:14:20] <Splarka>	becauset he former is pretty easy: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEmailConfirmToEdit
[12:14:47] <dutchman>	yes ...only bureaucrats edit though cause its an gameserver information page
[12:15:22] <Splarka>	you might want: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[12:16:01] <Nikerabbit>	moi kirjain_X
[12:16:06] <dutchman>	yeah i tried that out 10 minutes ago but the account needs manual approval from a bureaucrat and i rather would like to have it automatically done
[12:17:22] <dutchman>	i am afraid it does not exist 
[12:26:24] <Splarka>	dutchman: well, give $wgEmailConfirmToEdit a try, you can also revoke individual rights to '*' and 'user', and grant them to 'emailconfirmed' group
[12:26:46] <Splarka>	so while users could log in, you could prevent them from editing or even reading pages until they confirm their email
[12:27:34] <dutchman>	mhm thats worth a try, do they get a email to confirm it ?
[12:28:20] <Splarka>	"Also, as of MediaWiki 1.12, requires people to supply an email address when registering."  <-- they might have to supply it directly too, it doesn't say it has to be a confirmed email to register though, odd
[12:28:37] <Splarka>	dutchman: yah, they get an email to a URL they must visit upon receiving it
[12:29:31] <dutchman>	oh cool...go test it right away..thnx :-)
[12:29:48] <dutchman>	but odd..would be nice cause i am tired of people forgetting their password :S
[12:29:58] <dutchman>	and not using an email address
[12:35:28] <dutchman>	yeah
[12:35:48] <dutchman>	now i finally got at least e-mail required...was set to that it was not required
[12:36:21] <dutchman>	dude it works :)
[12:37:15] <dutchman>	Thank you so much :) I looked for this since 2 days :)
[12:37:39] <dutchman>	Thanks Sparka...very happy now :)
[12:38:09] <Splarka>	what worked for you?
[12:38:16] <Splarka>	just that setting?
[12:38:47] <dutchman>	well i added ...sek
[12:39:10] <dutchman>	first $wgEmailConfirmToEdit
[12:39:19] <Splarka>	right
[12:39:22] <dutchman>	$wgAutopromote['emailconfirmed'] = APCOND_EMAILCONFIRMED;
[12:39:29] <dutchman>	$wgImplicitGroups = array( 'emailconfirmed' );
[12:39:37] <dutchman>	and a group permission
[12:39:49] <dutchman>	need to fine tune it but this is cool :)
[12:40:03] <Splarka>	goodgood
[12:48:15] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49118 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Fix silly sync bug due to $revId being copied over
[12:49:31] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49119 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Typo from r49118
[12:49:54] *werdna 	teaches AaronSchulz about testing, hides
[12:50:21] <CIA-78>	03rotem * r49120 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localization update for he.
[12:51:10] <AaronSchulz>	werdna: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49086
[12:51:48] <werdna>	hehe, touche
[12:52:02] <werdna>	and that formatting is useful
[12:52:16] *werdna 	likes it :)
[12:52:25] <werdna>	whitespace rox
[12:52:45] <Splarka>	and some jidanni stalking comment for bonus
[12:52:49] <werdna>	yay!
[12:54:56] <p858snake>	at least he isn't in the mailing lists as much now which is my main haunting grounds >.>
[13:04:35] <Simetrical>	Aaron|away, werdna, what do you guys think of the line-through on removed lines?
[13:04:37] <Simetrical>	I find it annoying to read.
[13:05:23] <werdna>	me too
[13:06:57] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Happy-melon/monobook.css
[13:07:10] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Umherirrender/monobook.css&curid=33704&diff=246137&oldid=245359
[13:07:16] <Splarka>	two more unhappy customers
[13:08:15] <werdna>	what about them?
[13:08:21] <werdna>	oh, people who've disabled that
[13:25:20] <Simetrical>	Aaron added it, so I wanted his comments, preferably.
[13:32:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Implementation of Abuse Filter on Tok Pisin WP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18299 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (hammer.of.thor)
[13:32:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable AbuseFilter in Hebrew Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18300 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (rotemliss)
[14:03:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implementation of Abuse Filter on Tok Pisin WP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18299   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[14:22:44] <CuriosTiger>	Hi all. Is it possible to add a URL handler for smb:// links to mediawiki somehow? I need to put links to files on an internal file server on our internal wiki.
[14:23:13] <Splarka>	$wgUrlProtocols
[14:23:34] <Splarka>	see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUrlProtocols
[14:24:50] <CuriosTiger>	thanks splarka
[14:29:32] <CuriosTiger>	bah. That worked, but smb:// doesn't work as a link in firefox, even though it works from the address bar.
[14:31:09] <Splarka>	does the same for about: and xul: no?
[14:31:51] <CuriosTiger>	haven't tried, but I would imagine so
[14:32:15] <CuriosTiger>	and in fact, someone else has filed a bug report on that. I agree - a URL is a URL, regardless of where you encounter it :)
[14:32:33] <Splarka>	I found I can just drag/drop about: urls into new tabs when I need to
[14:32:39] <Splarka>	does that work for smb: ?
[14:33:54] <Splarka>	can't left click or right click, but can drag/drop to current tab, or new tab: <a href="about:cache">foo</a>
[14:41:47] <CuriosTiger>	yeah, that works
[14:41:58] <CuriosTiger>	oh well
[14:45:30] <Splarka>	you might be able to modify it via network.protocol-handler
[14:55:03] <freephile>	we moved our subversion server, and so I want to update any references in our wiki to the old URL... 
[14:55:42] <freephile>	is there a recommended bot or script for this or should i just use mysql to inspect the database and do updates?
[14:57:39] <freephile>	i know (now) that a good practice is to use a template for some common websites or terms in your wiki and that way you can later just modify the template e.g. {{Company}} expands to ACME Widgets, Inc and can later be Amalgamated Worldwide
[15:05:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable AbuseFilter in Hebrew Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18300  +comment (10Andrew)
[15:16:59] <Simetrical>	brion, is there any reason we don't allow raw <a> tags, with href validated same as for external links?  It seems like it would be reasonable for users to want to controls classes, titles, etc. directly in some cases (templates, etc.), like with other wikitext constructs like ''' vs. <b>.
[15:18:04] <Splarka>	wouldn't that encourage bypassing the links table just for the sake of styles/colors/classes/crap?
[15:18:23] <Splarka>	(more so than big ugly external links)
[15:18:36] <Splarka>	((which can be classed only the same as wikilinks anyway))
[15:18:56] <brion>	Splarka: it wouldn't have to bypass the links table
[15:19:38] <Splarka>	why don't external links that normalize to the server+articlepath or server+scriptpath+title register links then? ^_^
[15:20:07] <brion>	far as i know they do
[15:21:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Implementation of Abuse Filter on Tok Pisin WP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18299  +comment (10Andrew)
[15:22:01] <werdna>	whoa that's old
[15:22:07] <werdna>	I did that like an hour ago
[15:25:01] <Simetrical>	I didn't think about the links table, that would have to be handled.
[15:25:40] <Simetrical>	If server+articlepath gets registered in pagelinks, what happens if $wgServer changes?  :)
[15:26:12] <Splarka>	solvable by allowing server-relative (but filepath absolute) external links
[15:26:27] <Splarka>	[/w/index.php?title=your_mom]
[15:26:45] <Splarka>	and the ones using {{fullurl}} will update
[15:27:02] <Simetrical>	Allow protocol-relative links too!
[15:27:11] <Splarka>	and the rest would probably have to be manually changed someday anyway, and would show up in the external links table after purge
[15:27:18] <Splarka>	yah yah, you and gmaxwell ^_^
[15:27:41] <Splarka>	[://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/this_looks_weird]
[15:27:45] <Splarka>	or is it //
[15:28:03] <Simetrical>	/
[15:28:03] <Splarka>	but that will mostly be useful when WM goes full-secure with the same domains
[15:28:04] <Simetrical>	Er.
[15:28:06] <Simetrical>	//
[15:28:08] <Simetrical>	Silly IRC.
[15:28:14] <Simetrical>	Yes, it will.
[15:38:12] <werdna>	ok it is seriously bedtime
[15:38:21] <werdna>	goodnight aZaFred, domas, Splarka, Simetrical 
[15:38:28] <werdna>	safe flying brion 
[15:39:04] *Splarka 	bites
[15:39:16] <aZaFred>	goodnight werdna!
[15:39:30] <werdna>	brion: get well and all that
[16:06:14] <brion>	\o/
[16:13:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) pls Activating AbuseFilter on zh wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18301 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (shizhao)
[16:21:14] <Marybelle>	{{fullurl:}} registers as an external link.
[16:21:20] <Marybelle>	And that's incredibly annoying.
[16:24:18] <Splarka>	Marybelle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?contexttitle=&input=%7B%7Bfullurl%3Agoogle%3AMZMcBride%7Cnum%3D1%7D%7D&removecomments=1
[16:24:22] <Splarka>	^that would be annoying
[16:24:44] <Marybelle>	Ewww.
[16:24:50] <Splarka>	fullurl: should be treated exactly like external links, in that ones that match serverpath + articlepath / scriptpath could be local
[16:24:50] <Marybelle>	Who allowed that syntax? 
[16:24:55] <Splarka>	but not arbitrarily all fullurl:
[16:25:10] <Splarka>	maybe yo mama
[16:25:14] <Marybelle>	I thought {{fullurl:}} only worked with internal-like links.
[16:25:21] <Splarka>	works with interwiki
[16:25:27] <Marybelle>	{{fullurl:google}} <-- That's disgusting.
[16:25:40] <Splarka>	you're a predictable retort
[16:25:53] <Marybelle>	Calm down, girl.
[16:27:59] <Splarka>	says the one ewwing at fullurl:google ^_^
[16:28:47] <Marybelle>	{{fullurl:}} was implemented as a way to get wgServer.
[16:29:01] <Marybelle>	That interwiki nonsense is gross.
[16:32:51] <CIA-78>	03tstarling * r49122 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 
[16:32:51] <CIA-78>	* Added dump page
[16:32:51] <CIA-78>	* Added translation UI
[16:32:51] <CIA-78>	* Make spvoter_name_domain non-unique, only the URL is meant to be unique and that's not indexable.
[16:33:20] <zocky_>	parser functions should have "namespaces"
[16:33:34] <zocky_>	it should be e.g. {{#str:len|string}}
[16:33:46] <zocky_>	so it's the same syntax as with template calls
[16:33:58] <zocky_>	especially since that's how they already get called
[16:35:54] <zocky>	{{#if:foo| should have been {{#if| all along, and that would then be the "main namespace" for functions, and {{#:if| would be the same as {{#if|
[16:36:02] <zocky>	and the extensions could then add their own "namespaces"
[16:37:12] <CIA-78>	03ialex * r49123 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 3 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[16:42:32] <Splarka>	zocky: all parser functions and variables shoulda been hashed too, imo
[16:43:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please Activate AbuseFilter on zh wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18301  summary (10cn.chenminqi)
[16:43:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Alias of 'Wikibooks' namespace in Chinese Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17967  (10skjackey.tse)
[16:43:35] <zocky>	Splarka, yes for real functions, but it's nice to have an option to transclude a namespace different than others
[16:44:00] <zocky>	Splarka, so that you can have custom {{image:foo.jpg}} or whatever
[16:44:19] <Splarka>	wat
[16:44:28] <Splarka>	why would variables/parserfunctions being hashed prevent that?
[16:44:32] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Custom scripts imported/written in Special:Mypage/monobook.js don't appear in Safari 4 (user agent error) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18292  +comment (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[16:44:49] <zocky>	Splarka, it wouldn't, I'm just saying that unhashed ones should be used for logical things like that
[16:45:07] <Splarka>	well, yah
[16:45:12] <Splarka>	the current situation is very annoying
[16:45:16] <zocky>	yep
[16:45:19] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[16:45:29] <Splarka>	some are uppercase, some not... some are hashed, some not, some are variables, some are parserfunctions, some are both
[16:45:37] <zocky>	yeah, quite a mess
[16:45:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDeleted fails on latest revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17543  (10FT2.wiki)
[16:45:55] <zocky>	an unrelated thing that's really annoying the hell out of me these days is that file names have extensions
[16:46:04] <Splarka>	{{GENDER:}} as an uppercase unhashed PF with no variable mode is an affront to sanity
[16:46:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) inherent article classification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18254  +comment (10michaelj.walsh)
[16:46:29] <Splarka>	heh
[16:46:36] <Splarka>	redirects!
[16:46:56] <Splarka>	you could make an extension that implicity sets up all images with an extensionless redirect
[16:46:58] <zocky>	why do I have to write [[image:foo.jpg]] in the link? why can't it just be [[image:foo]] and let the user upload any picture they want?
[16:47:19] <Splarka>	and give it an extension cascade precidence -> svg,png,jpg,jpeg,gif
[16:47:29] <zocky>	that's still confusing
[16:47:37] <zocky>	it should use the newest file
[16:47:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add time displays to the main filter page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18302 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (rohde)
[16:48:02] <Splarka>	last created, last edited, last uploaded?
[16:48:08] <zocky>	last uploaded I guess
[16:48:15] <zocky>	but really, it should be the same file
[16:48:20] <zocky>	with a common history
[16:48:37] <Splarka>	I can see a prob with that, some files have backup svg with the text not converted to a path
[16:48:54] <Splarka>	(so it can be edited by others)
[16:48:58] <zocky>	yep, it's not trivial, or I would have done it by now :)
[16:48:58] <Splarka>	and then the regular png meant to be rendered 
[16:49:09] <CIA-78>	03raymond * r49124 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Per r49122: Make message optional
[16:49:17] <zocky>	i wonder why doesn't wikipedia have an inline svg extension
[16:49:30] <zocky>	it would allow great many very useful things to be done
[16:49:43] <Splarka>	should be a set precedence, and be overridable by just creating the redirect explicitly
[16:49:57] <Splarka>	heh
[16:50:12] <Splarka>	zocky: what is the earliest version of IE that supports svg?
[16:50:15] <harald_>	is there an extension available for displaying multiple articles in a single web page, with dynamically opening new and closing articles? That is, something like the "story column" from TiddlyWiki?
[16:50:22] <zocky>	Splarka, doesn't matter, you output pngs
[16:50:41] <Splarka>	how? user agent sniffing?
[16:50:51] <zocky>	no, output pngs for everybody
[16:50:58] <Splarka>	MediaWiki does none of that, it did for action=raw for a while but shouldn't do any of it now, cache cries
[16:51:08] <Splarka>	... that's what it does now
[16:51:12] <zocky>	but you can then write templates that make pie charts, etc.
[16:51:22] <zocky>	yeah, but i mean inline, in wiki code
[16:51:23] <Splarka>	oh
[16:51:27] <Splarka>	inline svg renderer
[16:51:32] <Splarka>	heh
[16:51:35] <zocky>	it's quite a trivial extension
[16:51:37] <Splarka>	write it!
[16:51:40] <zocky>	i've written it several times
[16:51:50] <zocky>	and there are a couple already in the list
[16:51:58] <Splarka>	{{#tag:svg}} would probably explode
[16:52:16] <zocky>	it would be a real major improvement to wikipedia
[16:52:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give image <gallery>s fluid width - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3276  (10subfader)
[16:53:51] <zocky>	Splarka, imagine what the map people would do with that
[16:54:31] <Simetrical>	Even *less* readable templates!
[16:54:32] <Splarka>	how do you pass template parameters to it and still have it resemble sane XML?
[16:54:50] <zocky>	Simetrical, yeah, but that's a whole different problem
[16:55:05] <zocky>	Simetrical, it's partly solvable by using tabs
[16:55:36] <zocky>	Splarka, you don't care much really, it's up to users to make it right. if it isn't, imagemagick won't make a file
[16:55:58] <Splarka>	I mean, would it be even possible via #tag?
[16:56:30] <Splarka>	or would you be hacky and call variable replacement without calling the sanitizer...
[16:56:44] <zocky>	my extension does {{#svg:thumb|dimension|source}} and {{#svg:thumburl|dimension|source}}
[16:56:50] <zocky>	it works quite well
[16:56:58] <whoops>	does anyone have experience with dia extention in mediawiki-1.13?  
[17:00:37] <zocky>	Splarka, the only problem I can imagine is that when referencing images to be included, the urls would be accessed locally
[17:00:55] <zocky>	Splarka, so you could imaginably access something that you shouldn't
[17:01:45] <zocky>	but that can be solved easily for wikipedia, just put the svg dumper on its own (virtual) machine and use it as a service from the servers
[17:01:56] <Splarka>	zocky: same problem as now, imagemagick fails messily as it should
[17:22:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Warning with preSaveTransform (possibly PHP 5.3 specific) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18170   +newphp; +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:29:40] <CIA-78>	03raymond * r49125 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (23 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-01 17:10 UTC)
[17:30:55] <CIA-78>	03kim * r49126 10/trunk/wikiation/util/ (9 files in 2 dirs): add utilities
[17:31:20] <porter1>	Angy GSoC people here?
[17:33:22] <ialex>	porter1: dunno, but feel free to ask :)
[17:34:03] <porter1>	Ah, I was just wondering if there were. Not any specific question really
[17:48:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allowing "per page" filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18247  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[18:49:54] <Vinodh>	Hi. How to Enable Script conversion in Mediawiki ?
[18:51:31] <Prodego|away>	since I have no idea what script conversion is I'll avoid that one
[18:52:02] <Vinodh>	http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-ec/%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0 - Allows conversion between Latin and Cyrllic Script
[18:52:29] <Vinodh>	I copied the php code and made modification in the Localsettings.php, but still the script tabs dont show up :(
[18:52:34] <CIA-78>	03raymond * r49127 10/trunk/extensions/ (88 files in 82 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-01 17:57 UTC)
[18:55:06] <kenny87>	Hello! Who can i speak about GSOC with?
[18:56:42] <atglenn>	most people are in route but I can relay messages later
[18:57:01] <atglenn>	(unless there is someone who signed up to be mentor in the channel now)
[18:58:04] <CIA-78>	03kim * r49128 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/installfiles/wikiation_toolkit/util.install/ (. download.sh info is_installed.sh uninstall.sh): add installer for util directory.
[18:59:30] <atglenn>	kenny87: what's up? 
[18:59:47] <kenny87>	hy
[18:59:49] <kenny87>	well
[19:00:02] <kenny87>	i know this is kinda late
[19:00:35] <kenny87>	but i'd like to apply to GSOC
[19:00:45] <kenny87>	with mediawiki of course :)
[19:00:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allowing "per page" filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18247  (10mikelifeguard)
[19:00:54] <atglenn>	as a student? 
[19:00:59] <kenny87>	yes
[19:01:11] <atglenn>	the deadline is april 7, I guess (looking at the google timeline)
[19:02:26] <CIA-78>	03kim * r49129 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/installfiles/wikiation_toolkit/util.install/download.sh: correct location of util
[19:07:11] <whoops>	Is this the correct place to ask for help with the  Dia extension?
[19:07:16] <CIA-78>	03ialex * r49130 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (5 files): Added $wgUseImageResize, $wgCopyUploadTimeout, $wgInvalidUsernameCharacters and $wgUserrightsInterwikiDelimiter
[19:08:11] <Mike_lifeguard>	whoops: We don't use that extension on Wikimedia wikis, but it's possible someone can help you, yes.
[19:09:38] <Vinodh>	Hi. Is it possible for an Anymouse user to change the Interface Language ?
[19:09:44] <Vinodh>	*Anonymous
[19:10:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	I think ?uselang=lang works for anons... dunno if it cascades
[19:10:57] *Mike_lifeguard 	tests
[19:11:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	no, it doesn't
[19:11:28] <Mike_lifeguard>	I wonder if there's an open bug for that
[19:13:27] <Vinodh>	Yeah. It works only for that page. But it is not carried over to other pages :(
[19:13:29] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[19:13:32] <Vinodh>	Is there any extensions ?
[19:13:45] <Mike_lifeguard>	no idea :)
[19:13:56] <Vinodh>	:)
[19:13:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	if they want to have preferences, they should register an account
[19:13:58] <CIA-78>	03ialex * r49131 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Document $wgDisableAnonTalk
[19:14:01] <Mike_lifeguard>	that's what they're for
[19:14:12] <Vinodh>	You cant force a Visitor to that ;)
[19:14:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	I don't see why not
[19:14:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	if they want <list of benefits if you have an account> then... you need an account 
[19:15:01] <Splarka>	easy enough with javascript to cascade it
[19:15:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preserve ?uselang=xx / &uselang=xx during sessions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4125  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:16:50] <Splarka>	http://www.wikia.com/index.php?action=raw&ctype=text/css&title=User:Splarka/cascadeskinlang.js
[19:17:10] <dan>	Semi-noob question area?
[19:17:29] <Reedy>	as long as its mediawiki related ;)
[19:17:41] <Vinodh>	Semi-Noob ?
[19:17:48] <dan>	ok
[19:18:16] <dan>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Test&action=edit
[19:18:29] <dan>	{| style="border:0; margin: 0;" width="100%" cellspacing="10"
[19:18:31] <dan>	| valign=
[19:18:46] <dan>	what is that line? bracket pipe...
[19:19:02] <Reedy>	| above my \ key
[19:19:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable multilingual extension in Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8287  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[19:19:09] <dan>	yea
[19:19:25] <dan>	take that away and the boxes stack on top of each other
[19:19:27] <Mike_lifeguard>	it is a pipe
[19:19:29] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table
[19:19:43] <Splarka>	er
[19:19:44] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables
[19:19:45] <dan>	ok so : {| is a shorthand for table
[19:19:47] <Mike_lifeguard>	the coolest "normal" character :)
[19:20:06] <dan>	thanks for the hlep
[19:20:15] <whoops>	using dia extention on 1.13, trying to upload a dia file, I get the error: Fatal error: Class 'SimpleXMLElement' not found in <path to extension>/Dia/Dia.body.php on line 12
[19:20:19] <dan>	didn't know {| was a table shorthand, thanks again
[19:20:29] <Reedy>	its preffered syntax in mw
[19:21:01] <dan>	you guys are cool
[19:21:06] <dan>	and gals
[19:22:37] <ialex>	whoops: SimpleXMLElement is part of the SimpleXML php's extension
[19:22:44] <ialex>	http://www.php.net/manual/en/book.simplexml.php
[19:26:48] <whoops>	on my gentoo i didn't build php with with simplexml.  I'll try taht
[19:32:08] <GerardM->	What is with revision 49131 ? is this a revision prepared by Brion ?
[19:33:50] <MinuteElectron>	It is just a documentation update...
[19:34:19] <GerardM->	what is a documentation update ?
[19:34:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	It updates only a comment in the code
[19:34:42] <MinuteElectron>	Documenting the parameter $wgDisableAnonTalk.
[19:34:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	and no, it was ialex who made that commit
[19:35:27] <GerardM->	so that is the end of the theory that when all extensions and MediaWiki have the same revision are stable
[19:35:38] <MinuteElectron>	oh?
[19:36:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	what?
[19:36:33] <GerardM->	this is a documentation update and there are extensions that have been ipdated since 48811 that are not stable
[19:36:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	what do you mean by "stable"?
[19:36:50] <GerardM->	as in "they work"
[19:36:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	and what does a change in comment have to do with anything?
[19:37:09] <GerardM->	there is no problem with comments
[19:37:29] <GerardM->	there is however no known way of knowing what might be working code
[19:37:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	oh, right.
[19:37:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	well, using the same rev of the extension & core software is a good rule of thumb
[19:38:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	but not guaranteed to be correct 100% of the time
[19:38:25] <GerardM->	no
[19:38:34] <Mike_lifeguard>	I mean, if something breaks, then it has to get fixed - so the files will be out of sync for some amount of time
[19:38:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	between those two points in time
[19:38:47] <GerardM->	and it used to be that extensions advertised their revision ... except that they did not
[19:39:13] <Splarka>	http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log  usually lists all those manual syncs now
[19:39:24] <Splarka>	(for live hacks and such)
[19:39:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	GerardM-: That's because (apparently) that was wildly inaccurate due to some limit of SVN
[19:40:12] <kim__>	it was just wildly inaccurate ;-)
[19:40:14] <Mike_lifeguard>	so that info was removed from Special:Version
[19:40:18] <Mike_lifeguard>	or that :)
[19:40:45] <kim__>	the version only got updated if one particular file got updated in svn
[19:40:50] <GerardM->	there is a script by Kim that can collect the data ... werdna was so kind to run in
[19:40:57] <kim__>	I suppose I'll need to make a Special:SVNVersion sometime
[19:41:12] <kim__>	but... what gerard said, I made a quick oneliner for bash :-P
[19:41:14] <GerardM->	no, just get it to work
[19:41:29] <kim__>	get what to work?
[19:42:06] <kim__>	hmm, I've tested 310 extensions with the new installation system... I guess  about 50 to go? (at ~ 1 per 2 seconds  :-P )
[19:42:12] <GerardM->	Special:Version is broken as it does ommit pertinent information for an open content project that is supposed to be open for duplication
[19:42:19] <kim__>	Uhuh
[19:42:34] <kim__>	so hence it might be nice to have a new extension that can provide accurate info?
[19:42:45] <kim__>	it has to be an extension, because it'd assume that you got mediawiki from svn
[19:42:47] <GerardM->	<grin> no extension core
[19:42:58] <kim__>	and not all installs are from svn
[19:43:08] <kim__>	GerardM-, and what happens if someone isn't using svn?
[19:43:22] <GerardM->	We then have to git it
[19:43:32] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[19:43:34] <kim__>	You're not being very mercurial today, are you? :-P
[19:43:38] <kim__>	Hello Nikerabbit 
[19:44:07] <kim__>	GerardM-, If you want to cooperate in the bazar, you'll have to do better than that!
[19:44:09] *kim__ 	ducks
[19:44:28] <kim__>	Nikerabbit, how are you today?
[19:44:29] <GerardM->	I will pray in the house of the lord
[19:44:47] <kim__>	that is a VERY obscure reference to raymond :-P
[19:45:05] <Raymond_>	?
[19:45:18] <kim__>	Eric Raymond :-P
[19:45:20] <kim__>	Helo
[19:45:26] <Raymond_>	ah :)
[19:45:47] <Nikerabbit>	kim__: hating windows?
[19:46:01] <kim__>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar
[19:46:18] <kim__>	Nikerabbit, Windows is great! 
[19:46:24] <kim__>	Nikerabbit, You can download linux with it! :-)
[19:46:47] <Mike_lifeguard>	hah
[19:47:26] <Nikerabbit>	I can't figure out how to enable fingerprint reader
[19:47:37] <kim__>	Biometrics?
[19:47:45] <kim__>	Maybe there's an install-cd?
[19:47:55] <Splarka>	http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/VisitorsSampledLogOperatingSystems.htm  Linux 55,031 1.45%
[19:48:03] *kim__ 	wonders why Nikerabbit isn't trying reliable finnish technology? :-P
[19:48:35] <kim__>	Splarka, the more important statistic is how many wikimedia servers run linux :-P
[19:48:53] <Nikerabbit>	kim__: hmm what?
[19:48:59] <Nikerabbit>	I have dualboot
[19:49:17] <kim__>	Oh, kay! :-)
[19:50:04] <whoops>	ialex: building php with simplexml, and restaring apache solved the problem.  dia extension is workign with 1.13
[19:50:23] <whoops>	thank yuu
[19:50:32] <kim__>	what is wikiwyg?
[19:50:35] *kim__ 	wonders...
[19:50:37] <ialex>	no problem :)
[19:50:38] <kim__>	looks interesting...
[19:50:59] <kim__>	hmm, I haven't done dependencies yet, despite ialex apparently having dependency data now?
[19:51:23] <ialex>	kim__: yes :)
[19:52:03] <kim__>	I promise I WILL get around to using it sometime, provided someone keeps paying for the roof over my head :-)
[19:52:18] <kim__>	it's in with this list of Other Stuff That Also Needs Doing
[19:52:19] <kim__>	:-)
[19:52:47] <kim__>	like making more extensions install at all, and devising more torturous tests
[19:53:05] <kim__>	376 extensions currently recognized
[19:53:43] <kim__>	of which 283 currently install successfully
[19:53:57] <kim__>	some more would work if I simply watched dependencies
[19:54:10] <kim__>	(now you need to do that manually)
[19:54:34] <kim__>	75.26%
[19:56:17] <dan>	change border colors in {| ?
[19:56:23] <dan>	is it through style?
[19:59:05] <whoops>	In the Dia extention documentation, for mediawiki-1.12, edit includes/MimeMagic.php to add an element to $wgXMLMimeTypes for dia files.  In media wiki-1.13 this is defined a file I'm not supposed to editincludes/DefaultSettings.php 
[20:00:13] <whoops>	Is there a way to add an element to $wgXMLMimeTypes for dia files in LocalSettings.php?
[20:02:15] <ialex>	whoops: just change $wgXMLMimeTypes in LocalSettings.php
[20:03:22] <dan>	Ok, I guess you can't change border colors
[20:03:28] <dan>	of tables
[20:03:35] <dan>	i'll try and use div instead
[20:04:01] <whoops>	ialex: Would that look like   $wgXMLMimeTypes = array( $wgXMLMimeTypes, <my new thing> );
[20:05:04] <Splarka>	dan: {| style="border-color:red;"
[20:05:22] <dan>	oh that dash
[20:05:24] <ialex>	whoops: $wgXMLMimeTypes['rootXMLelement'] = 'mime type';
[20:05:24] <dan>	thanks splarka
[20:05:26] <Splarka>	but that just changes the border of the table, you have to style each tr/td/th separately
[20:05:36] <Splarka>	or use a class and put it in site-wide CSS
[20:05:38] <dan>	i guess i am full noob not semi-noob
[20:05:42] <whoops>	ialex: thank you!
[20:05:52] <Splarka>	dan: http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp
[20:05:53] <Vinodh>	Is there any possibility to display text based on the User's Languages Selection ? 
[20:06:03] <Splarka>	Vinodh: {{int:}}
[20:06:20] <Vinodh>	I dont get you :(
[20:06:36] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Miscellaneous
[20:06:48] <Splarka>	it applies translation to a MediaWiki: message
[20:07:38] <dan>	ok I might change the wikitable css script
[20:07:53] <dan>	don't really think it is necessary
[20:08:05] <Vinodh>	For Custom Text in Templates etc ?
[20:08:17] <Splarka>	so {{int:edit}} for example shows up as the content of [[MediaWiki:Edit]], unless you've set another language, in which case it tries [[MediaWiki:Edit/xx]]  where xx is that language code
[20:08:34] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Magic_words&uselang=fr#Miscellaneous  you see shows 'Modifier'
[20:09:11] <Splarka>	Commons abuses this to do what you are suggesting: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Lang
[20:09:25] <Splarka>	they created a message that only returns the language code of the user (via prefs or &uselang)
[20:10:01] <Splarka>	so they can do something like: {{#switch:{{int:Lang}}|en=Hello|es=Hola|de=Gutentag|sv=Bork!|#default=Hi!}}
[20:10:32] <Splarka>	note this screws with cache consistency and page data tables a bit
[20:10:56] <Vinodh>	Something like this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multilang would be great !!!
[20:10:58] <Splarka>	if the last person to edit/purge the page was using french for example, then a link in the fr= section would be registered in the page's link tables, but not show for english speakers
[20:11:03] <Vinodh>	But it is not working on 1.13 :(
[20:11:26] <Splarka>	it should
[20:11:35] <Splarka>	it works on > 1.7
[20:11:38] <Splarka>	1.13 > 1.7
[20:11:41] <kim__>	http://extensiontesting.wikiation.nl/Extension_test%2C_Wed_1_april_2009
[20:11:50] *kim__ 	shares my fun activities of the day :-)
[20:11:57] <kim__>	(no joke :-P )
[20:12:23] <Vinodh>	It isn't. I have installed it. Many people have also complained on the Talk Page
[20:13:31] <kim__>	Hmmm, sounds like a job for gerard? :-)
[20:13:31] <Splarka>	well, give int: a try, it is a core feature from prehistory
[20:13:52] <Splarka>	create MediaWiki:Lang and all the subpages of it: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Lang on your wiki
[20:14:07] <Splarka>	and then {{int:Lang}} will return the user's language code, which you can perform parserfunctions on
[20:15:03] <Splarka>	one for example might be: {{#ifexist:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/{{int:Lang}}| {{{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}/{{int:Lang}}}} | {{{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}/en}} }}
[20:15:06] <kim__>	Or not... as the case may be
[20:15:21] <Vinodh>	Can I create only a subset for which I need, only 2 - 3 languages ?
[20:15:22] <Splarka>	transclude the subpage of a given page where /xx = the user's language code, else if it doesn't exist grab the english
[20:15:26] <Splarka>	yah
[20:15:41] <Splarka>	(but multilang should work, *shrug*)
[20:16:03] <Splarka>	you'll probably want the ParserFunctions extension too
[20:16:17] <Vinodh>	I have it installed. along with a dozen extensions :)
[20:16:40] <GerardM->	When you are interested in multilang, then the best bet would be what happens at translatewiki.net
[20:16:55] <GerardM->	also there is some nice new technology at omegawiki.org
[20:16:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Output a canonical form to IRC RC feed (never localized!) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18303 major; Normal; MediaWiki: RecentChanges; (mikelifeguard)
[20:17:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges IRC related issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16599  (10mikelifeguard)
[20:17:04] <kim__>	GerardM-, behave ;-)
[20:17:15] *Splarka 	idles a bit
[20:17:23] <GerardM->	it will alter the direction dependent on what language has been selected in the user preferences
[20:17:43] <kim__>	Splarka, have you written any extensions, and are any on this list? http://extensiontesting.wikiation.nl/Extension_test%2C_Wed_1_april_2009#Result
[20:17:57] <kim__>	(seeing that you're idling :-P )
[20:18:17] <kim__>	same question to other folks?
[20:18:34] <Splarka>	(idly) http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9282/vennsy7.jpg
[20:19:10] <kim__>	you don't like PHP? :-P
[20:22:46] <Vinodh>	Splarka: Great : {{int:lang}} is working :)
[20:23:05] <Vinodh>	Using If Parser Function, I can process I guess
[20:25:26] <kim__>	night all!
[20:25:27] <kim__>	:-)
[20:25:31] <kim__>	have fun ;-)
[20:25:49] <Vinodh>	Splarka, Thanks I think I can proceed from here
[20:25:54] <Vinodh>	Thank You Very Much
[20:41:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Security problem with supressing redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18298  (10sam)
[20:43:12] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Security problem with supressing redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18298  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[20:43:15] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Show move log when viewing/creating a deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16950  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[20:43:16] <Lolsimon>	could anyone of you take a look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18298 (yes, I know, wrong cat.)
[20:43:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	Lolsimon: it's a dupe
[20:43:31] <Mike_lifeguard>	and I already did that
[20:44:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	and it's really not that big a deal
[20:44:03] <Lolsimon>	ok, I already thought someone did
[20:44:08] <Lolsimon>	well, I dont think so
[20:44:46] <Lolsimon>	not all sysops are enough trusted imo to have this option
[20:45:39] <Simetrical>	Showing move log as well as delete seems reasonable.
[20:45:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	then your sysops are the problem
[20:46:08] <Simetrical>	Being a sysop should not be a big deal.
[20:46:16] <Simetrical>	Everything they do should be easily reviewable.
[20:46:29] <Simetrical>	On the other hand, I don't think this qualifies as "not easily reviewable".  Just check all logs instead of only the deletion log.
[20:46:31] <Reedy>	Its listed as with a patch and needs-review..
[20:46:36] <Simetrical>	Yeah, I see that.
[20:46:41] <Simetrical>	The patch is too big for me to bother reviewing.
[20:46:43] <Simetrical>	Probably.
[20:46:50] <Reedy>	lol
[20:47:18] <Reedy>	Eww
[20:47:28] <Reedy>	The code looks to have a lot of duplicates in the 2 files...
[20:47:32] <Simetrical>	Wow, the patch is complicated.
[20:47:48] <Simetrical>	Why doesn't it just display the whole log for the page instead of trying to manually cherry-pick just move and delete logs?
[20:47:54] <Simetrical>	Probably poorly, and evidently with lots of code duplication.
[20:47:59] <Reedy>	Yup
[20:48:05] <Reedy>	compare the 2 big code blocks
[20:48:08] <Reedy>	Reviewed: Bad code? :P
[20:48:28] <Simetrical>	I guess you'd have bogus stuff like user promotions being displayed on deleted user pages, for instance.
[20:49:13] <Simetrical>	And import, patrol, upload, whatever.
[20:49:21] <Simetrical>	Doesn't seem like a big deal.
[20:49:29] <Duesentrieb>	Reedy, Simetrical: http://www.osnews.com/story/19266/WTFs_m
[20:49:50] <Reedy>	Duesentrieb, ace
[20:50:07] <Duesentrieb>	:D
[20:50:54] <Reedy>	added to bugzilla quips :D
[20:55:08] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Show move log when viewing/creating a deleted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16950  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:23:25] <anarcat>	hello!
[21:23:34] <anarcat>	am i the only one having problems reaching mediawiki.org?
[21:23:51] <anarcat>	the page never finishes loading (i can ping fine)
[21:24:12] <atglenn>	we're looking at the problem, anarcat
[21:24:24] <anarcat>	thank you for the update
[21:25:03] <atglenn>	the problem affects a number of sites, for some people. 
[21:26:32] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49132 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): Add $wgFlaggedRevsPatrolLevel for handling '!' mark behavior
[21:31:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add functionality to watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18258  (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:33:52] <Reedy>	atglenn, should be fixed now
[21:34:03] <Reedy>	anarcat, ^
[21:35:10] <atglenn>	yes, as soon as mark shut down those bgp sessions, that took care of it
[21:35:14] <anarcat>	Reedy: confirmed
[21:35:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Detect and show related revisions in code review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18149  (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:39:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Detect and show related revisions in code review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18149  (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:06:29] <RedDragon>	hello
[22:06:33] <omikronn>	hello
[22:07:06] <omikronn>	are any of the potentional gsoc mentors from the wikimedia foundation online?
[22:08:07] <RedDragon>	i got a problem. I installed mediawiki, following the instructions for "wikimedia on a stick". When i create an article it works fine, but when i try to edit it, it shows the first edition, that of creation.
[22:08:47] <omikronn>	no officials from wikimedia logged I'm to understand?
[22:08:59] <kenny87>	atflenn was kind enough to guide me through the gsoc application process, pm him
[22:09:08] <omikronn>	ty
[22:09:10] <kenny87>	atglenn*
[22:10:27] <RedDragon>	it just save the edition but in the preview it only shows the first one
[22:11:50] <RedDragon>	no one to help me? =(
[22:14:04] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) wikibugs should only display (REOPENED) et. al. when the status is actually changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18284  +comment (10lejonel)
[22:14:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikibugs should report "(Reopened)" only when the bug's status is changed to reopened. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18054  +comment (10lejonel)
[22:16:29] <omikronn>	luati pula
[22:21:35] *Lady_Aleena 	sets out cookies on the table for everyone.
[22:32:04] <chuck>	If I wanted to add a "Do you accept to the terms of use?" and a "Do you want to be on our mailing list button?", how exactly would I go about doing that, mainly the part about adding fields to the register form
[22:32:12] <chuck>	I think I'd have to use the AbortNewAccount hook
[22:32:55] <chuck>	oh, UserCreateForm
[22:33:24] <Skizzerz>	try both
[22:33:34] <Skizzerz>	UserCreateForm to add it and AbortNewAccount to check it
[22:33:42] <chuck>	yeah
[22:33:52] <chuck>	Skizzerz: also, do you know how to make emails manditory?
[22:33:57] <Skizzerz>	nope
[22:34:02] <Skizzerz>	although that should be core
[22:35:36] <chuck>	I think it would be in the AbortNewAccount hook also (if it's not built in)
[22:40:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allowing "per page" filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18247  (10FT2.wiki)
[22:51:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allowing "per page" filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18247  (10FT2.wiki)
[23:27:34] <hachi>	hi all
[23:27:56] <hachi>	I get a warning with my mediawiki here when I try to upload an svg file
[23:28:12] <hachi>	"Upload warning: .svg is not a recommended image file format."
[23:28:23] <hachi>	however, I checked the 'ignore warnings' box
[23:28:29] <hachi>	... but it wont' ignore the warning
[23:28:36] <hachi>	is this a mistake in mediawiki?
[23:30:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rebuildrecentchanges zaps all deletions due to looking in wrong table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18291  (10jidanni)
[23:31:17] <Prodego>	hachi: that isn't a warning you can ignore
[23:31:37] <hachi>	how do you upload .svg files to mediawiki then
[23:31:44] <CIA-78>	03dale * r49133 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (11 files in 6 dirs): 
[23:31:44] <CIA-78>	* refactoring out class baseRemoteSearch to baseRemoteSearch.js
[23:31:44] <CIA-78>	* some IE fixes
[23:31:44] <CIA-78>	* improved freshness of debug includes from add_media_wizard
[23:33:30] <hachi>	also
[23:33:37] <hachi>	why isn't it an 'error' then
[23:33:41] <hachi>	or an exception
[23:34:00] <hachi>	I would think that making it a warning that you can't ignore, seems a bit dumb
[23:34:08] <hachi>	especially since it doesn't say you can't ignore it