[00:09:13] <CynMod>	I don't know how to ask the question cause I don't know what its doing.
[00:09:27] <CynMod>	Tis why I said someone will have to install it so they can see.
[00:09:34] <CynMod>	Its not like asking to rob a bank.
[00:14:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) array of boring event types to exclude from recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18364 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: RecentChanges; (jidanni)
[00:32:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Log below the form on Special:RevisionDelete for logs is ludicrously long - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18345  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:45:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) array of boring event types to exclude from recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18364  (10jidanni)
[01:13:00] <p858snake>	werdna: you around?
[01:15:40] <p858snake>	anyone here know if its ossible to use a internal wikilink to point to a user contrib page and a sepecific namespace?
[01:16:08] <werdna>	http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1445
[01:16:12] <werdna>	no
[01:16:56] <irregardless>	werdna: lol
[01:43:53] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49226 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[01:43:53] <CIA-78>	* (bug 17543) Allow partial hiding of top revision
[01:43:53] <CIA-78>	* Fixed isCurrent() check
[01:43:53] <CIA-78>	* Cleaned up/fixed some UI code duplication
[01:59:55] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49227 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Don't show '(comment removed)' for empty comments
[02:02:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RevisionDeleted fails on latest revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17543  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:11:55] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49228 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: * Made generateReason() skip deleted user names
[05:50:58] <CIA-78>	03werdna * r49229 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[05:50:58] <CIA-78>	Initial commit of preference data for core preferences. Currently doesn't
[05:50:58] <CIA-78>	include some conditionals required, nor some preferences which aren't in
[05:50:58] <CIA-78>	$wgDefaultUserOptions, my data source for the list. Will be getting along and
[05:50:58] <CIA-78>	polishing this over the next few days, and putting an HTMLForm front-end on top
[05:51:01] <CIA-78>	of it.
[06:02:01] <CIA-78>	03werdna * r49230 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/includes/ (DefaultPreferences.php HTMLForm.php): Misc fixes for r49229
[06:03:17] <CIA-78>	03werdna * r49231 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/includes/HTMLForm.php: Remove debugging code
[06:20:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) logo update at german wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17861  (10heuler06)
[07:30:16] <AnonDiss>	Hello, is it possible to transclude only sections of a page and not the full page? For example {{ns:xyz#abc}}?
[07:30:38] <Marybelle>	LabeledSectionTransclusion is an extension for that, I think.
[07:30:43] <Marybelle>	Enabled on some WMF wikis, but not all.
[07:30:57] <AnonDiss>	How does it work?
[07:31:02] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion
[07:31:09] <AnonDiss>	Thanks.
[07:31:14] <Marybelle>	No problem.
[07:44:43] <luminoso>	bom dia
[07:44:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install the StringFunctions extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455  (10rohde)
[07:54:58] <CynMod>	Is there anyone that can install the Poll extention and tell me what's wrong with it or how to fix it?
[08:13:20] <CIA-78>	03purodha * r49232 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Adds parameter $5 to message tableversions-review, to be used with GENDER.
[08:47:06] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[09:06:05] <lch>	I want to develop an extension that queries values from an external SQL DB and then outputs something, preferably using a template so the display can be controlled through wikitext, does somebody have some pointers for me how this can be done?
[09:10:06] <Splarka>	you probably want to write a parser function
[09:11:09] <Splarka>	that outputs wikitext that you can control in other parser functions and templates, and accepts wikitext as input (such as template parameters and such)
[09:11:16] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parser_functions
[09:12:18] <lch>	how would I pass the wikitext to it that it should use to display stuff?
[09:12:51] <lch>	what would be perfect would be that I build a template that it uses and then substitutes the template parameters with the values that have been read
[09:13:47] <Splarka>	{{#parserfunction:paramter1|parameter2|parameter3}}
[09:14:56] <lch>	yes, I'd use the parameters to specify which value to read from the SQL DB and which template to use for rendering of the data
[09:15:11] <lch>	but I don't know how the extension can call the template
[09:15:55] <Splarka>	{{#parserfunction:{{template}}|{{another template}}}} ?
[09:16:47] <lch>	are you trying to tell me that the parser function can output wikitext? :P I thought it had to output HTML
[09:17:09] <Splarka>	it can do either, though typically parser functions input and output wikitext
[09:17:28] <Splarka>	and tag extensions typically output html and input whatever they want
[09:17:45] <lch>	ahh
[09:18:42] <Splarka>	there are always exceptions though, zocky wrote a parser function that allows raw XML input and renders an SVG from that (nut)
[09:19:36] <zocky>	lch, it can be done, it's just not simple, and it requires hacking the core
[09:20:26] <Splarka>	you mean not outputting wikitext, right zocky?
[09:20:30] <zocky>	and parser functions can't output wiki text anymore
[09:20:34] <lch>	zocky, that's more than I want to do... I want to query an external SQL DB and still be able to use wikitext, e.g. from templates, to control the output
[09:20:37] <Splarka>	because all the parser functions in core output wikitext
[09:21:22] <zocky>	lch, ah, you mean store wikitext in the database and then parse it afterward?
[09:21:41] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Message performance optimisation for Collection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18352  +comment (10support)
[09:22:12] <lch>	no, I'd rather tell the extension which SQL record to read and which template to use for data rendering, so that the extension replaces the template parameters with the values from the SQL query
[09:23:00] <zocky>	lch, aha, i've done that
[09:23:15] <lch>	and what I am having a little trouble to address is how to address queries with multiple results
[09:23:54] <zocky>	lch, see http://xoo.mitko.si/Main_page for some ideas, especially {{#array:}} and {{#data:}} functions
[09:24:29] <Splarka>	that might be a bit overkill
[09:25:50] <yannf>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18322 any idea about this bug?
[09:26:27] <zocky>	Splarka, yeah, there's too much of it, but it does the kind of things he wants to do, so maybe it'll help him think :)
[09:26:49] <Splarka>	heh
[09:27:03] <Splarka>	but yah, there isn't a good way to have the output of a single parser function as an array of template parameters
[09:27:49] <zocky>	yeah, you need some sort of array infrastructure for that
[09:27:53] <Splarka>	{{foo|{{#bar}}}} can't create the pipe delimiters for that, have to be {{foo|{{#bar:1}}|{{#bar:2}}|{{#bar:3}}|..}} or such, or using a trick
[09:27:57] <lch>	thanks, zocky 
[09:28:37] <zocky>	alternatively, the parser functions that should return the array could call a template with the parameters
[09:29:03] <Splarka>	a dirty dirty trick like #titleparts 
[09:29:13] <Splarka>	and have the parserfunction output a slash delimited array (gag)
[09:29:24] <Splarka>	or use stringFunctions, heh
[09:29:26] <zocky>	but I couldn't figure out how to do this without making a new frame class for custom arguments in the preprocessor
[09:29:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message performance optimisation for Collection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18352  (10siebrand)
[09:29:34] <lch>	I'll take any dirty tricks, as long as they work :)
[09:29:42] <zocky>	Splarka, yeah, that's all solutions i've abandoned, because they were dirty
[09:30:00] <Splarka>	the alternative to sub-templating is super-templating
[09:30:16] <Splarka>	have the formatting template call the parserfunction for each formatted cell
[09:30:25] <Splarka>	which isn't as dirty, but gets rather expensive
[09:30:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message performance optimisation for Collection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18352  (10siebrand)
[09:30:57] <zocky>	what I do is make an array, give it a random ID and return that
[09:31:08] <lch>	Splarka, yeah, I wanted to avoid having to call a template for each cell if possible
[09:31:22] <Splarka>	it'd be a parserfunction for each cell, but yah, dirty
[09:31:25] <zocky>	so that functions that need array arguments can get the ID as an argument
[09:32:00] <Splarka>	lch: will this be pretty much the same output each time?
[09:32:13] <lch>	yeah
[09:32:15] <Splarka>	what you could do is something not usually done like this, but doable
[09:32:33] <Splarka>	create a configuration page in MediaWiki: namespace, like say... MediaWiki:Yourextension-layout
[09:32:47] <Splarka>	it would contain the wikicode, say a wiki-table with css classes, that your extension would grab
[09:32:59] <lch>	since the output looks pretty much the same, a simple table, I'd even not like to have to render a template for each row... just render it once and then substitute magic keywords
[09:33:02] <Splarka>	it would insert the data in the $# positions, and output it like that
[09:33:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message performance optimisation for Collection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18352  (10support)
[09:33:16] <Splarka>	then it could be done in just one call
[09:33:47] <Splarka>	you could even define a group of them and call the name of them as a parameter, like {{#yourextension:database query parameters|template to use}}
[09:33:50] <lch>	Splarka, that sounds neat
[09:34:03] <Splarka>	well, it is dirty too, but is used sometimes
[09:34:13] <lch>	do you have links to examples?
[09:34:15] <Splarka>	like the default signature formatting does something like that
[09:34:24] <Splarka>	not of that exact thing, no, you'd be a pioneer
[09:34:29] <Splarka>	unless Zocky has seen it somewhere
[09:34:57] <zocky>	i use a dirty thing like that for processing payment on a website
[09:35:04] <zocky>	too dirty to think about much :)
[09:35:28] <Splarka>	sort of a mix between wfMsg, &preload, and a template call
[09:36:09] <zocky>	the problem, of course, is that calling the same template for each row soon becomes too limiting
[09:36:59] <Splarka>	well, for this trick, it'd be one template, but not in the sense of a wiki template, nor ever transcluded, but more of a formatting for the output of the PF
[09:37:50] <lch>	zocky, {{#data:}} looks wonderful, except that I don't want the user to be able to modify values
[09:38:01] <Splarka>	though if you were building a table from that, I guess it would be each row built by one call to the PF, outputting the contents of MediaWiki:someparserfunction-row-layout containing || $1 || $2 || $3
[09:38:44] <lch>	although, maybe I'd even like to have the data in the wikitext, too
[09:39:08] <lch>	as long as access can be controlled
[09:39:22] <zocky>	lch, what you could do in that case is allow data insertion functions only in a protected namespace
[09:39:29] <lch>	yeah
[09:39:58] <Splarka>	"I want to have my cake, and eat it too, but I also do not want anyone else to have any cake, and I must also have them watch me eat my cake while they go hungry"
[09:40:41] <zocky>	lch, though, if the data is in wiki source, there's not much danger in letting the users edit it, since you can revert them just as with anything else
[09:41:40] <lch>	Splarka, I'd be okay with people eating my cake, as long as they are using cutlery instead of bare hands or no tools at all :P
[09:43:25] <zocky>	hmm, my data extension could actually work without the rest of that stuff
[09:44:20] <zocky>	and {{#array:dataloop}} functionality could be put in a {{#data:  function, so that you could format the returned data as you want
[09:45:07] <zocky>	but it'd need quite a rewrite for that, since it depends on a bunch of other extensions atm, and those are much more messy and require hacks to the core
[09:45:32] <lch>	:/
[09:45:39] <AMorozov>	Hi!
[09:45:47] <lch>	so I can't really use your extension there right now?
[09:46:10] <lch>	I'd give it a go how much it works for what I want to do
[09:46:48] <AMorozov>	Is it possible to configure LdapAuthentication plugin to automatically fill in all user info fields, such as fullname, email etc?
[09:46:54] <zocky>	lch, i could send you the source for the whole thing, including the hacked core, but it's messy and buggy, and a few months out of date
[09:47:11] <lch>	hmm, "hacked core" sounds bad
[09:47:45] <zocky>	yay, I get 1303€ in returned taxes
[09:48:03] <zocky>	lch, mostly, I've added hooks, and a class in one case
[09:48:08] <lch>	oh
[09:48:11] <lch>	that isn't that bad
[09:48:20] <lch>	you don't really need to hack the core for that?
[09:48:35] <lch>	ah, now I get what you mean
[09:48:36] <zocky>	if you want new hooks, you do
[09:48:49] <lch>	new hooks, yes, I've done that before, too
[09:48:58] <lch>	until those hooks became available after some versions
[09:49:30] <zocky>	also, my stuff probably allows users to do more than you want, because it was developed for close wikis
[09:49:55] <lch>	I'll try to rip out the functionality that lets users do stuff ;P
[09:51:54] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[09:52:07] <Marybelle>	Hello.
[09:53:06] <zocky>	lch, it's 24000 lines of code though :)
[09:54:31] <Splarka>	lch: yah, ^ overkill
[09:54:34] <zocky>	lch, is 15M too big for email for you?
[09:55:03] <Marybelle>	15 MB is too big for anyone's inbox.
[09:56:17] <CIA-78>	03rotem * r49233 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localization update for he.
[09:59:23] <zocky>	lch, I sent it, let's see what happens
[10:00:56] <lch>	15M is no trouble
[10:01:03] <lch>	my email box has no limit
[10:01:34] <lch>	though that sounds like you didn't run it through zip or rar, which should work wonders?
[10:04:33] <zocky>	lch, it's zipped, it's the whole mediawiki source
[10:04:43] <lch>	oh :)
[10:05:20] <lch>	your email doesn't contain an attachment :)
[10:05:33] <zocky>	doesnt*
[10:05:37] <zocky>	*grumble*
[10:05:43] <zocky>	let me do it again
[10:06:22] <AMorozov>	how to enable MW debug messages and where they come to?
[10:07:04] <Nikerabbit>	grep Debug includes/DefaultSettings.php
[10:07:21] <AMorozov>	Nikerabbit: thank you
[10:07:26] <Nikerabbit>	find like $wgDebugComments
[10:07:55] <zocky>	lch, ok, sent again
[10:08:05] <zocky>	this time with an actual attachment
[10:08:14] <AMorozov>	Ok
[10:08:42] <lch>	yeah, got it, thanks :)
[10:09:23] <zocky>	lch, to understand the source at all, you need to read http://xoo.mitko.si/Autoregistration
[10:09:51] <lch>	oh :)
[10:10:26] <zocky>	so that you don't get confuserd by all the hook_ and fl_ methods :)
[10:26:10] <AnonDiss>	How do I use the modulus function in {{#expr:}}?
[10:27:01] <Splarka>	{{#expr: 10 mod 3}}
[10:27:30] <AnonDiss>	Thanks.
[10:28:59] <Dodgy>	holy moly
[10:29:02] <Dodgy>	169 ppl
[10:29:19] <Dodgy>	anyone not afk?
[10:29:26] <Marybelle>	!ask
[10:29:26] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[10:29:34] <Dodgy>	lol
[10:29:36] <Dodgy>	......
[10:29:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Include Functions from MW-Edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18340  (10dasch_87)
[10:29:49] <Dodgy>	k ill get down to it
[10:30:20] *Splarka 	would make a macro explaining about how an IRC channel's size is no indicator nor implicator of its activity, but can't phrase it politely
[10:30:45] <Dodgy>	Windows vista. Apache 2.2 php 5.2.9, Latest media wiki. When I click the install button it makes my apache crash
[10:30:47] <Marybelle>	It would also likely have penis undertones.
[10:30:51] <Dodgy>	on php5ts.dll
[10:30:57] <Marybelle>	"Size doesn't matter, damn it!"
[10:31:13] <Dodgy>	what about a questioning of sexual preference? :P
[10:31:21] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: just say that if everybody would be speaking there would be no on-topic discussion
[10:31:27] <Marybelle>	Apache crashes? Check the error log?
[10:31:50] <Dodgy>	arent: child process exited with status 3221225477 -- Restarting.
[10:32:09] <Dodgy>	but the dll that dies is php5ts.dll apparently
[10:33:28] <Dodgy>	im guessing it could be a bad combination of apache php and mysql
[10:33:35] <Dodgy>	versionwise
[10:33:39] <Marybelle>	http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=37765
[10:33:42] <Dodgy>	but i got the latest of all
[10:34:13] <Marybelle>	Jesus. PHP's bug tracker is such a piece of shit...
[10:34:51] <Dodgy>	so its a problem dated in 2006
[10:34:59] *Dodgy 	wonders why it isnt fixed yet
[10:35:44] <ialex>	someone broked it again :)
[10:35:51] <Dodgy>	sigh
[10:35:58] <ialex>	-d
[10:40:19] <Splarka>	!tooquiet
[10:40:19] --mwbot--	Yes, #mediawiki has a lot of people idling. If they were all talking, there'd be no on-topic discussions at all. The channel can be social but is in no way required to be. If you take offense at the silence, you may wish to find a more social channel. If you need help, just ask, and please don't ask for help or for attention before actually asking your question, that's just a waste of time, see !ask
[10:40:29] *Splarka 	sends it to Nikerabbit for politeification
[10:41:56] <Marybelle>	How 'bout "SHHHH, DON'T RUIN THE SILENCE." instead?
[10:42:12] <Splarka>	!!!!
[10:42:12] --mwbot--	Please, stop shouting. Don't use caps lock and "!!!", we will understand you without them.
[10:42:23] <Splarka>	damn there are some useless macros in here
[10:42:29] <Marybelle>	Heh.
[10:42:36] <Dodgy>	capslock is cruise control for orsm
[10:45:11] <zocky>	ANYBODY HERE???!!!
[10:47:44] <Splarka>	!!!!!tooquiet
[10:48:10] *Marybelle 	bites.
[10:48:20] <Dodgy>	how hard?
[10:48:50] <Marybelle>	vvvvvv
[10:48:53] <Marybelle>	^^^^^^^
[10:49:00] <Dodgy>	eeeeep
[10:49:02] <Dodgy>	teeth
[10:49:25] <Dodgy>	i havent used irc in so long
[10:49:57] <Dodgy>	i remember the days 7 years ago when i had 56k and was hacking webservers to plant xdcc bots and serv-u ftp servers...
[10:51:00] <Dodgy>	FIXED IT
[10:51:15] <Dodgy>	libmysql.dll used by apache was the wrong one
[10:51:33] <Dodgy>	i grabbed it from the mysql folder, when it should have been the php one
[10:52:51] <Dodgy>	rejoice more peeps!
[10:53:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) provide link to documentation when Extension:Configure fails to initialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18353  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[11:00:21] <Nikerabbit>	foo
[11:00:55] <Splarka>	[citation needed]
[11:07:40] <Lastwebpage>	hello, is there a magic word for hide the page title?
[11:12:43] <Marybelle>	No, you'll have to use CSS.
[11:19:15] <Lastwebpage>	:(
[11:19:41] <zocky>	any idea why wiki would claim "all revisions previously imported", when I changed the source for every page in the .xml, and the timestamp
[11:19:44] <Lastwebpage>	some tip, how?
[11:20:09] <Lastwebpage>	margin-top:-20px looks a little but ugly
[11:20:31] <Splarka>	site-wide CSS, not inline
[11:20:31] <zocky>	display:none on whatever class the title has
[11:20:52] <Lastwebpage>	I need it only for one page
[11:20:56] <Splarka>	view the page source, find the <body> tag, there is a unique (mostly) class in that for the page
[11:21:20] <Splarka>	and from that class you can manipulate the styles of child elements of the body specific to that page
[11:21:31] <Splarka>	it has to be site-wide, because you can't do it inline
[11:21:43] <Lastwebpage>	:|
[11:21:59] <Splarka>	other than by covering it, which doesn't work like you'd expect
[11:24:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Options for Skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18365 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (dasch_87)
[11:29:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Also commit mail for lock/unlock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18366 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Subversion; (siebrand)
[11:30:19] <Lastwebpage>	thanks, but I think use the ugly way with margin-top:- ..px
[11:33:04] <Splarka>	lame
[11:45:57] <CIA-78>	03river * r49234 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/codereview.css: don't use line-through, it makes the diff really hard to read
[11:49:02] <CIA-78>	03river * r49235 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeReview.php: ++$wgCodeReviewStyleVersion
[11:51:34] <CIA-78>	03jojo * r49236 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Split up code and messages into several files/classes to improve performance. Thanks to Siebrand Mazeland!
[11:52:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Message performance optimisation for Collection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18352  +comment (10support)
[11:56:05] <VasilievVV>	werdan7: have you taken a look at arrays?
[11:58:11] <werdna>	no not yet
[11:58:19] <werdna>	been flat out with preferences
[11:58:52] <werdna>	I'll probably review it when we do a full abusefilter update for global filters
[11:59:20] <VasilievVV>	werdna: have I told you some filters will require to be fixed after arrays update?
[11:59:40] <werdna>	Yes I saw that, and I think that's bad.
[11:59:48] <werdna>	However, I think you're wrong.
[12:00:05] <werdna>	in() calls toString(), which I think is the same as string(var)
[12:00:12] <VasilievVV>	in doesn't
[12:00:34] <werdna>		public static function keywordIn( $a, $b ) {
[12:00:34] <werdna>			$a = $a->toString();
[12:00:36] <werdna>			$b = $b->toString();
[12:01:02] <werdna>	ewwe
[12:01:03] <VasilievVV>	public static function keywordIn( $a, $b ) {
[12:01:03] <VasilievVV>	if( $b->type == self::DList )
[12:01:03] <VasilievVV>	return new AFPData( self::DBool, self::listContains( $a, $b ) );
[12:01:06] <werdna>	casting to string does this
[12:01:07] <werdna>			return new AFPData( AFPData::DString, $val->data );
[12:01:09] <werdna>		}
[12:01:31] <werdna>	we might want to fix that to use $val->toString()
[12:01:49] <werdna>	in any case, if it's at all possible to keep backwards compatibility, I'd like to do so.
[12:01:59] <werdna>	randomly breaking filters is bad news in general
[12:02:17] <werdna>	IIRC it should only be a line or two of glue
[12:02:49] <VasilievVV>	werdna: the simpliest way is just to make added_lines a string
[12:03:01] <werdna>	what's going to be broken again?
[12:03:04] <werdna>	plz to remind me
[12:04:32] <VasilievVV>	werdna: many filters rely on "added_lines contains 'needle'" syntax. If added_lines is an array, that expression will be only true if there's a line with only "needle" as a text
[12:04:45] <werdna>	ah
[12:04:47] <werdna>	hmm
[12:04:57] <werdna>	well maybe added_lines should be kept as a string
[12:05:06] <werdna>	I'm mostly thinking of the links vars for arrays
[12:06:13] <werdna>	and recent_contributors
[12:13:22] <CIA-78>	03siebrand * r49237 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/ (MediaWikiExtensions.php mediawiki-defines.txt): Update to facilitate changes in Collection from r49236
[12:15:52] <CIA-78>	03siebrand * r49238 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.php: Proper Collection sorting in Special:Translate
[12:18:54] <CIA-78>	03siebrand * r49239 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: More follow up to r49237
[12:21:38] <CIA-78>	03siebrand * r49240 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: Also update WMF extensions for Collection changes
[12:26:44] <CIA-78>	03siebrand * r49241 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: Fix incorrect group definition for Collection message groups
[12:31:21] <CIA-78>	03siebrand * r49242 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.i18n.php CollectionCore.i18n.php): 
[12:31:22] <CIA-78>	Localisation updates for messages from translatewiki.net
[12:31:22] <CIA-78>	* update Collection messages groups after changes r49236 (moved messages to new message group)
[12:31:22] <CIA-78>	* also add/update translations (all available languages exported)
[12:41:33] <CIA-78>	03ialex * r49243 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Hooks.php includes/Setup.php): 
[12:41:33] <CIA-78>	* (bug 18009) $wgHooks and $wgExtensionFunctions now support closures
[12:41:34] <CIA-78>	* Whitespaces fixes in includes/Hooks.php
[12:41:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "closure" callables not supported - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18009  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[13:24:59] <Nikerabbit>	hi ialex 
[13:25:08] <werdna>	hi Nikerabbit 
[13:25:09] <ialex>	hello Nikerabbit
[13:25:19] <werdna>	mmm closures
[13:25:21] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: see my reply at http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support#Exension:Configure
[13:25:26] *werdna 	does inappropriate things
[13:25:47] *Nikerabbit 	is being inappropriate
[13:27:04] <Mike_lifeguard>	not inappropriate enough :|
[13:27:23] *werdna 	touches Mike_lifeguard 
[13:27:45] <Mike_lifeguard>	getting closer XD
[13:29:04] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: what is 2b)?
[13:30:02] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: piece of code
[13:30:49] <Barnicle>	So, my wiki is down for some reason, but I can connect to my server through putty. Where should I begin looking to see what the issue may be?
[13:31:05] <werdna>	the error message
[13:31:11] <werdna>	'down'?
[13:31:34] <Barnicle>	Firefox can't establish a connection to the server
[13:31:54] <^demon>	That's probably not a MW problem
[13:31:57] <Barnicle>	Failed to connect
[13:32:04] <werdna>	1/ DNS
[13:32:07] <werdna>	2/ Your web server
[13:32:52] <^demon>	I was going to say 1/ Web server...more likely Apache/IIS/lighty asploded, since he can hit with SSH
[13:33:14] <Barnicle>	is there a way to restart the wiki?
[13:33:25] <Barnicle>	maybe it just needs a good restart ;) lol
[13:33:27] <werdna>	Restart your web server.
[13:33:45] <werdna>	The wiki doesn't get 'started' or 'stopped'.
[13:34:37] <^demon>	Marybelle: Got your message.
[13:35:02] <Barnicle>	the mediawiki is on my linux box, which is its hosted off of. in order to restart my webserver, which service do i need to restart? init.d?
[13:35:20] <^demon>	init.d/httpd
[13:37:01] *^demon 	hates Lotus
[13:42:49] <Barnicle_>	i typed 'service httpd restart' and it said The program 'service' can be found in the following packages: * debian-helper-scripts * sysfvconfig
[13:43:49] <CIA-78>	03jojo * r49244 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added a collapsible box for order info text which is transcluded from a (configurable) wiki page. If the page does not exist, fall back to previous behavior.
[13:46:53] <Nikerabbit>	hi NicDumZ
[13:47:01] <NicDumZ>	hey :)
[13:47:27] <domas>	Barnicle: <3 debian-helper-scripts
[13:47:38] <Nikerabbit>	nobody told me that tegel is not-so-nice airport
[13:51:22] <tjs_>	heya, just a quick question, I've got a mediawiki set up for a game a group of people are developing. One thing we'd like to do is be able to have a section for info that can only be seen by authenticated users  (game developers) 
[13:51:41] <^demon>	!prevaccess
[13:51:41] --mwbot--	For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[13:51:42] <tjs_>	what would the best extension be to take a look at for that sort of thing?
[13:51:47] <werdna>	!readonly
[13:51:47] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgReadOnly
[13:51:49] <werdna>	erm
[13:51:50] <werdna>	not that
[13:51:54] <werdna>	!secrets
[13:51:54] --mwbot--	MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job.
[13:52:20] <Splarka>	!morbo
[13:52:23] <^demon>	You know, passwords aren't so much an issue :p
[13:52:31] <tjs_>	yup, I read those, and there is a big disclaimer saying I should get a proper CMS exntension not just a 'hack' 
[13:52:40] <tjs_>	extension*
[13:52:54] <Splarka>	is your job at stake? lives? money? security?
[13:52:58] <tjs_>	I'm looking at the big list'o'extensions at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[13:53:03] <tjs_>	and none jump out
[13:53:18] <tjs_>	Splarka, not really
[13:53:19] <werdna>	!e Lockdown
[13:53:19] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
[13:53:21] <Splarka>	http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
[13:53:26] <^demon>	Is that even updated anymore?
[13:53:49] <tjs_>	thanks :)
[13:53:53] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb still suggests it periodically
[13:54:07] <Splarka>	and he seems active, unless he just arranged berlin for fun, heh
[13:54:20] <^demon>	It would be nice to have it updated again, it was useful.
[13:55:14] <Barnicle_>	domas: does the answer lie within this debian-helper-scripts? i'm just trying to restart my webserver.
[13:56:21] <flyingparchment>	Barnicle_: you would get better help in a channel specific to your OS
[13:58:10] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: btw what is the status with the parser? should we have a meeting about it?
[13:58:44] <Barnicle_>	ty
[13:59:19] <Adylas>	Hello, I like to be able to implant "autosave" of draft when writing. I got may user that loose there jobs for X reason.
[14:00:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	people get fired for losing their edit? :P
[14:00:59] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: the JS parser for the messages?
[14:01:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	Adylas: there is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Drafts
[14:02:26] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: nope, the configuration file parser
[14:02:42] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: ah
[14:03:12] *Splarka 	wonders if drafts could have an API feature that could periodically send via ajax
[14:03:23] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: the question is where to store it (e.g. using svn:externals in Translate)
[14:03:43] <Adylas>	Mike_lifeguard: Thank a lot ;-)
[14:03:52] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: well, it should probably has it's own directory
[14:03:53] <Splarka>	ugh
[14:04:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	Adylas: We're not using it, but I think it's bascially stable & ready to use
[14:04:25] <Splarka>	<script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">document.write( '\x3cinput type=\"button\" id=\"wpDraftSave\" name=\"wpDraftSave\" tabindex=\"8\" value=\"Save draft\" accesskey=\"g\" title=\"Save as a draft [g]\" disabled=\"disabled\" /\x3e' );</script>
[14:04:29] *Splarka 	stabs
[14:04:48] <Splarka>	and two other <script>, and a css, wtf
[14:04:51] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: if it is not "stand alone", all extension which want to use it would need to register it in autoload classes etc
[14:04:51] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: would require users to download two extensions?
[14:04:55] <Adylas>	Mike_lifeguard: This is great !
[14:05:03] <Mike_lifeguard>	yes it is!
[14:05:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	so why aren't we using it? >_>
[14:05:10] <Splarka>	hacky-ass extensions
[14:07:02] <werdna>	ass-extensions?
[14:07:23] <werdna>	sounds like a guy got the wrong idea when his wife told him to get an extension
[14:07:58] <Splarka>	that'd be "hacky ass-extensions"
[14:08:09] <Splarka>	punctuation position is important
[14:08:46] <Splarka>	someone could at least clean up the <script> calls in the <head> and remove the one in the form (have the button generated via document.createElement)
[14:13:26] <Adylas>	Mike_lifeguard: This is always a good question. I just opened a bugzilla entry on our office here. I guess the answer gonna be like : No time XOR no user don't lost exit (lie) XOR this is their problem XOR this gonna be unstable XOR just no answer ... lol
[14:13:48] <Adylas>	exit = edit*
[14:14:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	well, good luck
[14:14:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	AFAICT, it works
[14:14:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	and we're planning on using it, so it'll be maintained
[14:14:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	which might make a difference to your sysadmins
[14:23:08] <CIA-78>	03demon * r49245 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRecentchangeslinked.php: rm stray $wgUser
[14:23:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) logo update at german wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17861  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:26:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Activate Collection Extension for generating PDF on the French Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16178  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:26:53] <Danny_B|webgate>	what is the easiest way how to get the image (resp. its thumb - i know about special:filepath) via url? i've been playing with thumb.php but getting "Image was not scaled, is the requested width bigger than the source?" error continuously :-/
[14:27:20] <CIA-78>	03rotem * r49246 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[14:28:08] <Splarka>	Danny: api, imageinfo, is nice
[14:28:25] <Splarka>	scales down or returns fullsize rather than failing
[14:33:12] <fahadsadah>	Hi.
[14:34:08] <fahadsadah>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fahadsadah/Sandbox <- I can't overlay my own image above the logo. Why not?
[14:34:44] <Splarka>	because the content has a lower z-index position than the logo, so all children of the content object will be below it
[14:35:27] <Splarka>	so there is not a thing you can do inline to ever cover the logo, without modification of site-wide CSS or JS
[14:35:39] <werdna>	it's kind of the point of the logo
[14:35:47] <werdna>	you should never ever be able to override it from the content.
[14:35:52] <werdna>	If you have, something is wrong
[14:36:35] <NicDumZ>	"omg omg I hacked WP"
[14:36:45] <NicDumZ>	:)
[14:36:46] <fahadsadah>	Can a _user_ monobook.js/.css hack bypass it?
[14:36:55] <Splarka>	yep, but only for you
[14:37:11] <fahadsadah>	Obviously...
[14:37:23] <Splarka>	werdna: the same should be true of all the cactions, and column one crap, but unfortunately it can't be, because of the silly way monobook needs to float things behind the content to make inactive looking bottom-borderless tabs
[14:37:47] <Splarka>	so only the logo and active caction tabs are thus non-coverable
[14:37:55] <werdna>	mmm
[14:38:21] <Splarka>	and no good solution using border-bottom:none; because of the crappy way IE spaces things differently :/
[14:38:22] <fahadsadah>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Audacity/AAAAAAA goes behind the logo
[14:40:16] <NicDumZ>	fahadsadah, I was looking at your user page. I like the instructions in case of account "takeover". but... if someone got into your WP account, how many chances do you think they have to also have access to your gmail? =)
[14:41:24] <fahadsadah>	NicDumZ: There is still 0 chance they can get my PGP private key.
[14:41:46] <CIA-78>	03demon * r49247 10/trunk/phase3/ (15 files in 5 dirs): (bug 17948) Maintenance scripts now exit(0) or exit(1) as appropriate
[14:41:46] <werdna>	nothing has a probability of 0 unless it's a logical contradiction
[14:41:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) make maintenance/update.php exit(1) so calling scripts can catch errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17948  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:41:52] <Simetrical>	werdna, wrong.
[14:42:08] <werdna>	hmm?
[14:42:10] <Simetrical>	werdna, only true for countable sets of events.
[14:42:19] <werdna>	meaning?
[14:42:47] <Simetrical>	Suppose you throw a dart at a dartboard, and its distance from the center can be any real number in [0,1].  Is it possible that it hits at the exact center?  Yes.  But the probability is zero.
[14:43:06] <Simetrical>	I can't think of an example that has direct physical application, though.
[14:43:17] <^demon>	Suppose you have a dart board...
[14:43:36] <fahadsadah>	I have a dartboard.
[14:44:03] <NicDumZ>	this example is borked. *I* would never hit the exact center.
[14:45:53] <Simetrical>	It's not physically impossible, if you accept for a moment the possibility of an infinitely precise dart and dartboard.
[14:46:32] <Simetrical>	Similarly, suppose you have a random walk.  At every point in time, you can take one step forward or backward, and do so at random.  What is the probability that you'll just go off in one direction continuously forever?  Zero.
[14:46:44] <werdna>	well it's a matter of tolerance to bring the probability back up again
[14:47:05] <Simetrical>	Again, that involves an infinity, so it's not a great example.  But certainly you can have probability-zero events (which, being events in your space, are necessarily possible) in probability theory.
[14:47:15] <NicDumZ>	I know, I was just playing with the idea that I'm probably too bad at darts to hit even the R/2 inner cercle
[14:47:17] <origon>	How do i remove the status message "MediaWiki has been installed without problems"? im going nuts
[14:47:17] <Splarka>	what is the probability of something having a probability of zero?
[14:47:17] <Simetrical>	Whether there are any that have physical meaning, I don't know.
[14:47:28] <Simetrical>	Splarka, what's your probability space?
[14:47:35] <werdna>	It's not really "zero", though, is it?
[14:47:37] <Simetrical>	The set of all probability spaces?  That's probably not a valid set.
[14:47:41] <werdna>	It's just infinitisemally small.
[14:47:44] <Simetrical>	werdna, no, it's zero.
[14:47:48] <Simetrical>	Probabilities are real numbers.
[14:47:53] <Simetrical>	No infinitesimals allowed.
[14:47:53] <Splarka>	Simetrical: this conversation
[14:48:12] *origon 	tries to get some attention :)
[14:48:19] <Simetrical>	origon, just edit the main page.
[14:48:34] <werdna>	well, if your tolerance is considered to be a variable, then you should also require that to be a real number...
[14:48:46] <Simetrical>	Who's talking about tolerance?
[14:48:55] <origon>	Simetrical: it is not in edit field
[14:49:04] <Simetrical>	origon, what?
[14:49:11] <Simetrical>	"Tolerance" is not a term that's used in probability theory that I know of.
[14:49:29] <origon>	Simetrical: [edit] does not include that message, only what is below on the front page
[14:49:52] <Simetrical>	origon, I'm not clear on what you're saying.  Do you have a link to your site, or a screenshot?
[14:49:53] <werdna>	Simetrical: it's an aspect of the problem, though.
[14:50:13] <Simetrical>	werdna, of what problem?
[14:50:15] <origon>	i'll screenshot
[14:50:40] <werdna>	Simetrical: of the problem of the probability of the location of the dart being exactly dead center.
[14:50:45] <Simetrical>	Mathematically, a probability space is defined to be a set together with a function from the space to [0, 1], with the function satisfying certain axioms.
[14:51:14] <werdna>	Physically speaking, there's a limit to the precision of measuring the dart's position, for starters.
[14:51:18] <Simetrical>	There's no requirement in the axioms that any event be assigned a probability greater than zero.  In particular, if the set is uncountable, almost all possible events must be assigned a probability of zero for the axioms to work.
[14:51:33] <Simetrical>	As I said, I don't know if possible but probability-zero events have any physical significance.
[14:51:55] <Simetrical>	But they arise very naturally in the study of probability.
[14:52:01] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: this sounds like a problem with your implementation than an actual truth
[14:52:19] <flyingparchment>	if something has a probability of 0, but can still happen, that's a mathematical trick to make things easier
[14:52:23] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[14:52:33] <Simetrical>	At least, I can't think of any case where it's not, offhand.
[14:52:36] <Simetrical>	Such a case might exist, perhaps.
[14:53:04] <origon>	Simetrical: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/563025/wiki.jpg
[14:53:15] <Simetrical>	Generally they require the assumption of some level of infinity that's physically implausible, like infinitely precise measurements or infinite periods of time.
[14:53:28] <werdna>	right
[14:53:33] <Simetrical>	The universe *could* be temporally unbounded, though.  An infinite random walk *might* be possible.
[14:53:41] <Simetrical>	If so, some outcomes will have zero probability but still be possible.
[14:53:50] <Simetrical>	You can't rule that out as a physical impossibility a priori.
[14:54:05] <Simetrical>	origon, click "redigera" and change it.
[14:54:19] <Simetrical>	It should be at the top of the edit box.
[14:54:37] <origon>	oh, edit on the right only edits a section
[14:54:47] <origon>	the edit buttons do different things :P
[14:54:50] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[14:54:52] <Simetrical>	Confusing.
[14:54:52] <origon>	thanks :)
[14:58:05] *Simetrical 	lols at xkcd
[15:05:34] <Danny_B|webgate>	Splarka: imageinfo doesn't return the (scaled) image itself like *.wiki.org/wiki/Special:Filepath/SOmefile.jpg does or did I miss anything?
[15:11:07] <Splarka>	Danny: Filepath 30x redirects to the file itself, it doesn't actually return it...
[15:11:12] <Splarka>	thumb.php does, but doesn't scale up
[15:11:28] <Splarka>	imageinfo gives you the URL for the thumb
[15:11:30] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url&iiurlwidth=100px&titles=File:Wiki.png
[15:11:37] <fahadsadah>	Isn't that enough?
[15:14:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Collection extension on Portuguese Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18367 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (lugusto)
[15:16:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirecting from eo.wikisource.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17008  high->highest (10pa.dohnalek)
[15:18:42] <xnyx>	Good morning folks...
[15:55:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS-added icons next to links display through the text and makes it unreadable in RTL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1061  (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[15:55:45] <Danny_B|webgate>	Splarka: weird, i didn't even make thumb.php to return anything even when i set 5px size or like that (= definitely smaller than original)
[15:57:39] <Splarka>	Danny_B: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/thumb.php?f=Wiki.png&w=5px
[16:07:16] <Danny_B|webgate>	hmm, weird. http://cs.wikipedia.org/w/thumb.php?f=Viteze.gif&w=10px does not work but http://cs.wikipedia.org/w/thumb.php?f=Wiki.png&w=10px does. i really wonder, what am i missing
[16:15:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PATCH: Minimal skin for use by PDAs, bots and dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3651  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:17:03] <Splarka>	Danny_B: thumbnailing is disabled for gif
[16:24:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API: Abuse filter log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18368 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (matthew.britton)
[16:40:25] *Danny_B 	wonders if it would be possible to have some kind of api to generate thumbs
[16:41:26] <Splarka>	Danny: The API gives you the thumbnail URL for them... not enough?
[16:42:04] <Splarka>	it would be trivial to add a "return full if requested size is smaller than full size" to thumb.php but when I asked last time, was told it would make hotlinking a bit /too/ abusable
[16:42:19] <Danny_B>	well, enough for my current purposes, but not enough for my other intended purposes
[16:42:34] <Danny_B>	oh yeah, hotlinking
[16:42:44] <Danny_B>	i see now
[16:43:06] <Splarka>	so every method is a tiny bit hard, requiring two requests or some smart requesting, or manual construction of a thumb URL
[16:43:24] <Splarka>	or backend support of course
[16:43:40] <Danny_B>	i never realized how to create the first two subdirectories
[16:43:59] <Danny_B>	the latter two parts of url are pretty selfexplanatory
[16:44:19] <Splarka>	right, but you can just use FilePath to get it
[16:44:35] <Splarka>	(or just use an MD5 function in whatever language you are in)
[16:46:39] <Danny_B>	filepath doesn't return the thumb path but the original. thumb path contains some two dirs in form of a/a2/ which is what idk how to generate
[16:46:52] <Splarka>	note that for wikis not using the 404-> thumb.php trick (as WMF does), hitting iiprop=url in the api seems to generate the requested image
[16:47:03] <Splarka>	so for example http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/central/images/thumb/b/bc/Wiki.png/95px-Wiki.png doesn't exist
[16:47:17] <Splarka>	but you go to http://www.wikia.com/api.php?action=query&prop=imageinfo&iiprop=url&iiurlwidth=95px&titles=Image:Wiki.png and it suddenly does
[16:47:30] <Splarka>	ahh
[16:47:36] <Splarka>	the two folders are generated by MD5
[16:47:49] <Splarka>	$md5(Wiki.png) bc32c4ef985f1924664e5f5c7359ef62
[16:48:05] <Splarka>	first/firstsecond
[16:48:09] <Danny_B>	smart
[16:48:21] <^demon>	see getHashPath() and friends in the filerepo
[16:48:25] <Splarka>	gives it a randomized but non-biased distribution among 256 folders
[16:48:48] <Splarka>	though I wonder why it isn't deeper, 256 isn't very many when you have 10M files
[16:50:03] <Splarka>	and Danny_B: the original also has those folders
[16:51:36] <Danny_B>	does it?
[16:51:38] <domas>	Danny_B:
[16:51:40] <domas>	!! hi!!!
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[16:51:47] <Splarka>	heh
[16:51:53] <domas>	lol
[16:52:02] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FilePath/Wiki.png
[16:52:04] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Wiki.png
[16:52:16] <Danny_B>	yeah
[16:52:29] *Danny_B 	hides otherwise domas will kick him again :-P
[16:52:54] <domas>	\o/
[16:52:57] <Danny_B>	hey!
[16:53:04] <domas>	what?
[16:53:15] <Splarka>	WMF usually doesn't seem to care about hotlinking, but sometimes there've been hotlinker sites that have affected performance, heh
[16:53:42] <domas>	I don't remember that
[16:54:01] <domas>	but... it is always pleasure to block that!
[16:54:26] <Danny_B>	:-)
[16:54:32] <Danny_B>	we (wmcz) are actually creating some application for our fair booth where we'd need to use direct url access to thumbs. but now i see how to do it, which should be enough
[16:55:13] <domas>	I was in Prague today! 
[16:55:16] <Danny_B>	so couple days of inexessive hotlinking for promotional purposes is reasonable ;-)
[16:55:57] <Splarka>	domas: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log/2008-08#August_19
[16:56:03] <Splarka>	* 04:10 Tim: A hotlinking mirror, getting images from thumb.php, was being visited at high rate, DoSing our storage servers. Referer blocked.
[16:56:06] <Danny_B>	domas: kidding? why didn't you mention? i'd give you the tour or at least some suggestions
[16:56:18] <Danny_B>	or did you just flew through?
[16:56:21] <domas>	Danny_B: just airport :)
[16:56:26] <domas>	Danny_B: I've been in Prague multiple times
[16:56:40] <domas>	Splarka: probably was fetching different sizes!
[16:57:08] <domas>	Danny_B: I quite like the city
[16:57:21] <Danny_B>	so do i ;-)
[16:57:22] <domas>	Danny_B: last time I stayed there, it was in the very very very very middle of it :)
[16:57:36] <domas>	like, that main square intersection with the big street
[16:57:54] <Danny_B>	wenceslas square x vodickova i guess
[16:57:55] <domas>	good place to stay at :)
[16:57:58] <domas>	ye
[16:58:31] <Danny_B>	that's really very very very middle
[16:58:35] <Danny_B>	good for ya
[16:58:38] <Splarka>	it was around the time T/im started talking about taking thumb.php behind the woodshed and putting it down, IIRC
[16:59:18] <Danny_B>	when i was in LA i actually slept in the hous right across the street from the mann chinese theatre
[17:01:24] <domas>	when I was in LA, I slept in the house... um.. 20m from the hollywood ave
[17:01:42] <domas>	was 5min walk to the kodak theatre 
[17:02:01] <Danny_B>	also cool
[17:02:48] <Danny_B>	now when i was on mir, i slept in between the earth and moon ;-)
[17:03:46] <Nikerabbit>	hi Danny_B
[17:03:52] <Danny_B>	hey Nikerabbit 
[17:04:00] <Danny_B>	how was your way back home?
[17:04:07] <Nikerabbit>	umm
[17:04:34] <Nikerabbit>	the airport was not nice, the were shouting babies in the plane and the weather back home was not nice
[17:04:40] <Nikerabbit>	but other than that it was fine
[17:06:17] <leafnode>	screaming babies in planes FTW
[17:06:18] <leafnode>	;)
[17:08:12] *Splarka 	imagines domas trying to +m them
[17:08:27] <domas>	hehe
[17:08:36] <domas>	I have earbuds 
[17:08:39] <domas>	which can play loud music
[17:08:42] <domas>	and also
[17:08:44] <domas>	I fly so loud planes
[17:08:47] <domas>	that you wouldn't hear babies anyway
[17:08:55] *domas 	hugs CSA ATR-42's
[17:09:32] <leafnode>	:)
[17:10:57] <CIA-78>	03purodha * r49248 10/trunk/extensions/Interwiki/SpecialInterwiki.i18n.php: 
[17:10:58] <CIA-78>	Capitalization in english message corrected as per request of User EugeneZelenko at
[17:10:58] <CIA-78>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support#Interwiki_local_intro
[17:11:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot upgrade to Mediawiki 1.14 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18360  (10ekompute)
[17:23:43] <Emufarmers>	Could someone commit this fix? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:OpenID#Internal_error.html
[17:26:46] <^demon>	Emufarmers: fixed.
[17:26:56] <CIA-78>	03demon * r49249 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/OpenID.hooks.php: Fix error reported on talk page (string needs to be concatenated, second param is a boolean)
[17:27:02] <Emufarmers>	Thanks :3
[17:30:39] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Found another.
[17:30:47] <CIA-78>	03demon * r49250 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/SpecialOpenIDXRDS.body.php: Same header problem, different file.
[17:39:50] <CIA-78>	03rotem * r49251 10/trunk/extensions/Interwiki/SpecialInterwiki.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[17:45:16] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Create approved Finnish Wikiversity [fi] (January 2009) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16977  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:52:06] <CIA-78>	03j * r49252 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/MV_GlobalFunctions.php: add baseRemoteSearch to wgJSAutoloadClasses
[17:53:02] <^demon>	domas: are you volunteering to chair such a session?
[17:54:45] <domas>	we're going to do performance session
[17:55:42] <^demon>	:)
[18:26:57] <Flockee>	Hallo
[18:45:45] <xaxxon>	I have a sidebar extension going.. but I can't figure out how to order it.  I'm looking in Skin.php at buildSidebar, but there doesn't seem to be any sort order on it
[18:46:11] <xaxxon>	I'm adding a box to the sidebar, but how do I make it be the Nth box from the top.. or whatever
[18:46:37] <CIA-78>	03raymond * r49253 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (51 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-06 18:09 UTC)
[18:48:52] <xaxxon>	it builds an associative array in $bar...and then iterates through it in the skin.  my php is not so good, but associative arrays/hashes/dictionaries aren't usually ordered
[18:49:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved Finnish Wikiversity [fi] (January 2009) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16977  +comment (10crochet.david)
[18:49:34] <ScorpKing>	hi guys. how do i add a picture to a page?
[18:49:50] <Splarka>	xaxxon: where is it positioned by default, above or below search?
[18:50:11] <xaxxon>	nav, mybox, search, toolbox
[18:50:15] <xaxxon>	in monobook
[18:50:45] <Splarka>	I believe you can sort of reposition it by editing MediaWiki:Sidebar
[18:51:11] <Splarka>	at least, any undefined portlets show below it
[18:52:51] <Splarka>	which hook are you using? SkinBuildSidebar ?
[18:53:26] <Splarka>	!images | ScorpKing
[18:53:26] --mwbot--	ScorpKing: For instructions to use images in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images>. For more technical details about image uploads, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads>. Note that uploads are disabled per default (see !uploads).
[18:53:42] <ScorpKing>	thanks Splarka :)
[18:54:02] <xaxxon>	Splarka: yes
[18:54:15] <xaxxon>	I'll look into what I can edit
[18:54:19] <Splarka>	right, so that sticks it on the end...
[18:55:10] <Splarka>	check Skin.php buildSidebar()
[18:55:20] <xaxxon>	yeah, that's where it calls the callbacks
[18:55:48] <xaxxon>	but it just puts them in an associative array.. which are usually (in other languages) unordered
[18:56:16] <xaxxon>	it makes $bar which is set in skintemplate to 		$tpl->set( 'sidebar', $this->buildSidebar() );
[18:56:18] <Splarka>	mhm
[18:56:41] <xaxxon>	which is then, in monobook:
[18:56:45] <Splarka>	right, now look in skins/MonoBook.php 
[18:56:49] <xaxxon>			foreach ($sidebar as $boxName => $cont) {
[18:56:57] <Splarka>	yah, there
[18:57:16] <Splarka>	if 'SEARCH' 'TOOLBOX' 'LANGUAGES' etc are defined, they appear above ones appended
[18:57:24] <xaxxon>	actually no
[18:57:37] <xaxxon>	it just sets them to be called out to functions in whatever order
[18:57:46] <xaxxon>	it just sets the key in the hash
[18:57:53] <xaxxon>	so that it shows up in the iteration.. not the order
[18:58:01] <Splarka>	well, in /practice/ it works like that
[18:58:04] <xaxxon>	ok
[18:58:27] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=edit
[18:58:35] <Splarka>	for example, I just removed *TOOLBOX from here
[18:58:53] <Splarka>	the 'create a book' portlet added via SkinBuildSidebar was appearing below it, now appears above
[18:59:22] <Splarka>	there really should be a way to add more custom tags to this list, to allow extensions to be ordered
[18:59:39] <xaxxon>	ksort?
[18:59:59] <Splarka>	I mean, adding *NAMEOFYOURBOX to where you want it
[19:00:43] <Splarka>	I don't know much about php, but can't you just empty the array and refill it in the order you want, in the hook?
[19:00:57] <xaxxon>	perhaps
[19:01:19] <Splarka>	although that won't make it perfect since this is a bit of a hacky mess, it might give you some control
[19:02:04] <Splarka>	if that fails, you might just have to use a much later hook and insert it via regex into the html X_X
[19:06:01] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) API: Abuse filter log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18368  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[19:06:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API for AbuseFilter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18063  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[19:16:28] <CIA-78>	03raymond * r49254 10/trunk/extensions/ (117 files in 108 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-06 18:50 UTC)
[19:17:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Include Functions from MW-Edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18340  (10dasch_87)
[19:17:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add an import source for de.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18369 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (raimond.spekking)
[19:30:36] <Duduman>	Hello
[19:30:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Categories not being assigned to uploaded files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18370 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (daniel3ub)
[19:32:12] <Duduman>	Is it possible to create an interface for the arabic language commons like the hebrew language commons which is RTL
[19:44:34] <rsimpkins>	Hi all. I'm looking for an extension that will ease adding pages to categories, and also name the page right. What I'm looking for is a form on every category page, fill out the form with the name of the page you want to add, automagically adds it in to the category, and automagically prefixes the page name with the category name.
[19:44:56] <flyingparchment>	rsimpkins: look at Inputbox extension
[19:45:08] <flyingparchment>	you'll need to write a template or something that can be put on each category page, though
[19:45:38] <rsimpkins>	I'll check it out. Thanks.
[19:53:01] <siebrand>	does Status::fatal process plural in messages?
[19:53:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Arabic interface should behave like Hebrew interface on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18371 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (diaa_abdelmoneim)
[19:54:12] <Duduman>	I think the bug above
[19:54:33] <Duduman>	Is the nicest and most organized bug ever filed
[19:54:40] <Duduman>	anyone to counter me?
[19:54:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Arabic interface should behave like Hebrew interface on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18371  (10diaa_abdelmoneim)
[19:55:04] <xaxxon>	if something is defined in local settings and youw ant to use it in an extension, you say "global $wgVariableName;" and then use it, right?  .. but that seems to not be working for me
[19:55:19] <flyingparchment>	xaxxon: make sure you're including the extension _after_ you set it
[19:55:21] <CIA-78>	03siebrand * r49255 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/SecurePoll.i18n.php: 
[19:55:21] <CIA-78>	* use PLURAL for $1 in 'securepoll-too-few-edits'. Uncertain if Status::fatal() will process it
[19:55:21] <CIA-78>	* quote group name in 'securepoll-not-in-group'
[19:55:35] <xaxxon>	flyingparchment: nod
[19:56:35] <Duduman>	Could someone call my name when there is time for my bug
[19:56:55] <Duduman>	:)
[19:57:42] <Duduman>	The ID is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18371
[19:58:01] <xaxxon>	I have a localsettings that does an 'include' of all the files in a directory.  In one of these files included, I set a variable that I want to use in an extension.  I am setting the variable before require_once'ing the extension.. but does the include mess things up?  I want to say I think it does
[20:03:21] <Duduman>	Is there anyone with language setup skills?
[20:03:30] <Duesentrieb>	xaxxon: it shouldn't, php includes are pretty much directly inlined
[20:03:35] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb
[20:03:59] <xaxxon>	Duesentrieb: no, looking at the docs, it seems like variables created in an include are only scoped to the include
[20:04:04] <Duesentrieb>	Hey Nikerabbit :) home already?
[20:04:06] <Duduman>	Duesentrieb welcome from the Meet up
[20:04:26] <Duesentrieb>	xaxxon: that's simply not true. LocalSettings.php wouldn't work if it was.
[20:04:34] <xaxxon>	hrm ok
[20:04:40] <Duduman>	There has been a lot while u were away
[20:04:46] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: of course
[20:04:48] <Duesentrieb>	xaxxon: i use includes for config files for püretty much all php i write
[20:04:54] <xaxxon>	ok
[20:05:12] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: even though I didn't like Tegel at all and there were babies in the plain
[20:05:16] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: i hope you had a nice trip, and enjoyed your stay
[20:05:27] <Duesentrieb>	ugh, babies
[20:05:39] <Duduman>	Duesentrieb did u see the critique of Commons because of the way we handled 250,000 donation?
[20:05:43] <Duesentrieb>	tegel is confusing. so... round.
[20:05:53] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: and ... 
[20:05:55] <Duesentrieb>	Duduman: no. where?
[20:06:13] <Duesentrieb>	Duduman: also, there are not even 5000 up yet :)
[20:06:20] <Duduman>	yes
[20:06:27] <Duduman>	but the naming scheme is very bad
[20:06:33] <Duduman>	and the categorization too
[20:06:41] <Nikerabbit>	narrow, nothing after check-in
[20:06:51] <Duduman>	Check this : http://archiv.twoday.net/stories/5626206/
[20:07:00] <Duduman>	I love Tegel Flughafen
[20:07:27] <Duesentrieb>	Duduman: not now, too tired. the naming isn't so good, i agree. the categorization is realtively easy to fix,m but needs more thought.
[20:07:49] <Duesentrieb>	but that's not a problem, we have all the metadata as template params separatly.
[20:07:53] <Duduman>	the templates are also pretty messed up
[20:08:09] <Duduman>	why use numbering like 5860_1
[20:10:04] <Duesentrieb>	Duduman: becuase that's the standard they use
[20:10:25] <Duesentrieb>	Duduman: it makes it hard to read for us, true. otoh, sticking with the standard allows for the data to be reused.
[20:10:36] <Duesentrieb>	i'd like a compromize, but it's not easy to have
[20:10:47] <Duduman>	yes but this could be easily changed with a bot that replaces the naming
[20:10:55] <Duesentrieb>	but this is OT here. we can get together with multichill in the next days and talk about it
[20:11:03] <Duduman>	k
[20:11:13] <Duduman>	I've been waiting for him a long time
[20:11:34] <Duesentrieb>	Duduman: he was busy being at the developer meet-up :)
[20:11:41] <Duduman>	")
[20:11:43] <Duduman>	:)
[20:11:44] <Duduman>	yep
[20:11:50] <Duesentrieb>	i talked to him over the weeking. though not much, too much other stuff going on
[20:11:56] <Duesentrieb>	err, weekend
[20:12:17] <Duduman>	Yeah
[20:12:22] <Duduman>	I read the notes
[20:12:29] <Duduman>	great that u made them this time
[20:12:35] <Duesentrieb>	i'll write a wrap up tomorrow
[20:12:36] <Duduman>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Developer_meet-up_2009/Notes
[20:12:45] <Duduman>	On the blog?
[20:13:00] <Duesentrieb>	yea
[20:13:02] <Duduman>	If u do it on the blog I think it can be cited on Wikipedia
[20:13:17] <Duesentrieb>	hm?
[20:13:36] <Duduman>	Did u also talk about apply the new search to the rest of wikis?
[20:13:50] <Duesentrieb>	yes. will happen soonish.
[20:14:17] <Duduman>	this is really important for commons
[20:14:23] <Duduman>	:)
[20:15:11] <Duesentrieb>	yes and no. it won't work that well for commons, bevcouse there's less structure and less text to work with. and it will mostly be english only.
[20:15:38] <Duduman>	the one thing that is neede is prefix search 
[20:15:39] <Duesentrieb>	but i'm working on the multi-lingual search thing, hope to have it ready in time for wikimania
[20:15:54] <Duesentrieb>	prefix search... ugh.
[20:15:57] <Duduman>	to search categories and Village pump and other Projects
[20:16:09] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[20:16:36] <Duduman>	Currently one can't search specifically the Village pump
[20:16:53] <Duesentrieb>	what does that have to do with prefix search?
[20:17:07] <Duduman>	Having Village pump as prefix
[20:17:21] <Duduman>	How would I say it otherwise?
[20:17:28] <Duesentrieb>	oh,. you nmean limiting the search to pages that match a specific prefix. yea.
[20:17:43] <Nikerabbit>	:D
[20:17:46] <Duduman>	:0
[20:17:49] <Duesentrieb>	prefix search as such would incluide the abiliuty to search for any word on the page by prefix.,
[20:17:51] <Nikerabbit>	how comes I just requested suffix search
[20:18:22] <Duduman>	Yep that's what's needed in commons
[20:18:30] <Duduman>	"prefix search as such would incluide the abiliuty to search for any word on the page by prefix.,"
[20:19:09] <Duduman>	There is also the other thing with the go button
[20:20:33] <Duesentrieb>	we have type-ahead for page titles, yes
[20:20:42] <Duesentrieb>	which basically is the prefix search for page titles.
[20:20:58] <Duesentrieb>	not for page content, though. which would probably just be much too expensive.
[20:21:03] <Duduman>	yes but on commons we want it to apply for categories in the absense of Galleries
[20:21:12] <jlerner>	is there a way to use the parser in a maintenace script, to update certain links to be interwiki links?
[20:21:33] <jlerner>	i.e., the links to pages that do not exist on this particular wiki
[20:21:57] <Duduman>	Duesentrieb We just want the cheap prefix title search
[20:22:02] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner: doing that "properly" using the parser would be pretty hard i guess.
[20:22:08] <Duesentrieb>	Duduman: yes, i got that
[20:22:13] <Duduman>	:)
[20:22:25] <jlerner>	Duesentrieb: yeah
[20:22:31] <Duesentrieb>	my favorite project right now: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Developer_meet-up_2009/Notes/XMPP
[20:22:44] <jlerner>	i'd rather use the parser than roll my own regex that of course won't be nearly as good
[20:23:54] <Duesentrieb>	but sadly the parser isn't a parser.
[20:23:59] <Duesentrieb>	it's a munger...
[20:23:59] <jlerner>	yeah
[20:24:11] <Duesentrieb>	so it's nopt easy to hook in and change what it generates
[20:25:11] <jlerner>	i guess i could use Title:getBrokenLinksFrom()
[20:25:15] <jlerner>	as a start
[20:30:39] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Arabic interface should behave like Hebrew interface on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18371  +comment (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[20:33:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Diff: go to top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18351  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:37:29] <ScorpKing>	i uploaded my new skin and changed $wgDefaultSkin = 'schoolforge'; but the default skin is still the same. do i need to edit something else as well?
[20:40:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Arabic interface should behave like Hebrew interface on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18371  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[20:40:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Diff: go to top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18351  (10linveggie.ml)
[20:41:48] <ScorpKing>	!skin
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[20:45:59] <Duduman>	Arabic interface seems to be big news
[20:46:35] <Nikerabbit>	news?
[20:47:11] <Duduman>	no
[20:47:27] <Duduman>	I meant this is the first time I saw someone caring about the bug
[20:47:31] <Duduman>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18371
[20:47:34] <Duduman>	with a fight
[20:48:03] <Duduman>	the one says it's commons problem the other says it's mediawiki
[20:50:56] <Duduman>	no translation needed
[20:55:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) File upload error messages don't properly take $wgFileBlacklist into account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18372 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (Emufarmers)
[20:55:35] <Nikerabbit>	Duduman: someone like me? :o
[20:55:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Arabic interface should behave like Hebrew interface on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18371  (10diaa_abdelmoneim)
[20:56:13] <Duduman>	uh
[20:56:18] <Duduman>	that's u?
[20:56:27] <Duduman>	Niklas Laxstroem?
[20:57:06] <Nikerabbit>	Laxström yes
[20:57:13] <Duduman>	Yeah
[20:57:18] <Duduman>	I know German
[20:57:28] <Duduman>	I put a solution at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Arabic_Interface
[20:57:49] <Duduman>	Guten Tag lieber Laxström 
[20:57:59] <Duduman>	Na ja jetzt ist es Nacht
[20:58:10] <Nikerabbit>	apparently you don't know Finnish or Swedish :D
[20:58:18] <Duduman>	:0
[20:58:25] <Duduman>	nope
[20:58:31] <Duduman>	only german
[20:58:37] <Duduman>	and English
[20:58:40] <Duduman>	and Arabic
[20:59:10] <Duduman>	But Swedish is near German
[21:00:46] <Duduman>	I need to know
[21:01:01] <Duduman>	Is the Bug a mediawiki problem or just commons?
[21:02:26] <Duduman>	Nikerabbit why is the bug resolved Invalid if it's valid
[21:03:26] <Splarka>	it isn't a bug that arabic doesn't mirror the content, it is a hack/script that hebrew does on commons
[21:04:07] <Splarka>	but it is a bug that RTL languages don't do this when set via user preferences in general
[21:04:28] <Duesentrieb>	well... a) mediawiki should support this (feature request) b) there's a hack for he in place, but not for ar (fixable on commons)
[21:04:53] <Duduman>	so with just the script /* make the UI RTL in RTL languages. */ it can be done right?
[21:04:55] <Duesentrieb>	Duduman: the general issue is valid, but the specific iussue is something to be fixed locally on commons
[21:05:14] <Traveler>	Hello
[21:05:20] <Duesentrieb>	i havn't looked at the code, but i suspect you can mostly copy the code for he to be used with ar
[21:05:21] <Duduman>	Just to make sure
[21:05:23] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js/he
[21:05:23] <Duduman>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Arabic_Interface
[21:05:26] <Splarka>	*facepalm*
[21:05:35] <Splarka>	innerHTML, document.write(<style>), come on people ^_^
[21:05:38] <Duduman>	I added the code I think does the miror
[21:05:47] <him121213>	howdo i change my admin username?
[21:06:07] <Duesentrieb>	him121213: you give a different user admin rights.
[21:06:31] <him121213>	how do i see the other users though
[21:06:35] <Traveler>	I have a Question. I installed mediawiki via "apt-get mediawiki". this installed mediawiki1.7,  but there is a newer version, 1.14 and now i want to deinstall mediawiki, so that i can install the newer version manually... how do i do that? i'm new to linux. using debian oon my vserver
[21:06:43] <Duesentrieb>	him121213: Special:Listusers
[21:06:54] <him121213>	thnx ;)
[21:06:57] <Duduman>	is it for ar  document.write('<style type=\"text/css\">/*<![CDATA[*/@impo.....
[21:07:12] <Duesentrieb>	Traveler: apt-get remove mediawiki
[21:07:23] <Duesentrieb>	1.7 is OOOOOLLLLLLDDDD!
[21:07:34] <Emufarmers>	Standard on Debian
[21:07:39] <Traveler>	this only remove the package. i have lost files left
[21:07:48] <Duesentrieb>	Emufarmers: that's what i said :)
[21:07:51] <Traveler>	not lost. a lot :D
[21:08:13] <Duesentrieb>	Traveler: complain to the package maintainer, then. or just delete them. or both.
[21:08:32] <Duesentrieb>	a "nromal" install of mediawiki can be removed simply by deleting a directory
[21:08:48] <Duesentrieb>	linux distros seem to insist on splattering files all over the system.
[21:09:11] <Emufarmers>	Well, that's the problem just as much as the package's out-of-dateness:
[21:09:23] <Emufarmers>	MediaWiki doesn't really belong in an OS repository thingy
[21:09:45] <Duduman>	Can anyone in who knows just a little JS tell me if this is the code to hack to RTL ? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Arabic_Interface
[21:10:02] <Traveler>	i have 3 folders. /var/lib/mediawiki1.7,  /etc/mediawiki1.7 /usr/share/mediawiki1.7 so i can simply remove them? i found this out via wheris mediawiki ....
[21:10:32] <Emufarmers>	You probably want to save your images directory and LocalSettings.php
[21:10:35] <Traveler>	but dont kniow if this is all :/
[21:10:40] <him121213>	Duesentrieb: i see the user i want to give the privlages but how do i assign their user rights
[21:10:47] <Emufarmers>	and any extensions
[21:11:32] <Duesentrieb>	Traveler: nither do we. the packages tend to suck. ask the maintainer. deleting these directories should have happened when you removed the package, i think. it should be safe to remove them, if you don't have any wiki content you want to keep.
[21:11:46] <Duesentrieb>	him121213: Special:Userrights
[21:11:58] <him121213>	ahh
[21:12:03] <him121213>	thnx again
[21:23:17] <him121213>	one more question
[21:23:46] <him121213>	how do i edit the links in the sidebar and footer
[21:26:35] <squintz>	Me and a friend want to collaborate on writing a book. We want to use a protected site running MediaWiki to create the book. I noticed Wikipedia has a nice create a book feature on their site. How can I get this feature on my site also?
[21:31:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Import strips angle brackets on some installations (libxml2 entity bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554  (10seth)
[21:32:00] <Reedy>	!pdfbook
[21:32:00] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "pdfbook".
[21:32:08] <Reedy>	!e PdfBook
[21:32:08] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PdfBook
[21:32:15] <Reedy>	squintz, ^
[21:32:53] *MrZ-man 	slaps Reedy
[21:32:57] <MrZ-man>	!e Collection
[21:32:57] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection
[21:33:08] <Reedy>	Pah
[21:33:12] <Reedy>	Wahtever :P
[21:37:08] <Traveler>	is there a way to see wha the standard installation path of mediawiki is ?
[21:37:33] <Traveler>	i mean what get installed where with apt-get mediawiki
[21:37:38] <Traveler>	got
[21:38:16] <Emufarmers>	whereis mediawiki already gave it to you
[21:38:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SharedUserRights throws fatal error upon submitting changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18373 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (stevend811)
[21:39:27] <Traveler>	mh and thats all... mh am a bit frustrated... i dont know if all thedata of mediawiki is removed when i delete the folders... whats with databases and so oN?
[21:45:22] <Duduman>	Commons isn't working
[21:45:32] <Duduman>	after changing ar CSS 
[21:45:45] <Duduman>	All of the languages have no toolbars
[21:47:22] <FunPika>	I don't see any problems over at WMF Commons...
[21:47:53] <Duduman>	ctrl+shift+r
[21:48:02] <Traveler6>	One mor e question. on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Debian_GNU/Linux i read how to install mediawiki. but i can only get 1.7 does i need this version or can i jump to the get latest mediawiki part and ignore the other one before?
[21:48:59] <Duduman>	anyone facing problems?
[21:50:59] <rsimpkins>	Google fails me. I remember reading an article that described the steps to fill in your Help namespace. I can't recall where it was, and searching for things like 'importing mediawiki help' doesen't.
[21:51:13] <rsimpkins>	The FAQ didn't have a link to it.
[21:51:19] <rsimpkins>	Although, I know this is a FAQ
[21:52:23] <FunPika>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:PD_help/Copying
[21:52:55] <rsimpkins>	There we go, thank you very much.
[21:57:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) In log, link to diff of edit/log entry for action when edit/action succeeded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18374 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (matthew.britton)
[21:59:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) In log, link to diff of edit/log entry for action when edit/action succeeded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18374  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[22:16:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Red Links for Userpage/Talk - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18270  (10scd)
[22:42:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) eliminate principal source of duplicated text table rows: unchecked undos - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18333  (10jidanni)
[22:56:28] <Traveler6>	is it important for the wiki to install Turck MMCache, eAccelerator, APC or XCache ?
[23:00:44] <MinuteElectron>	It speeds it up, sure.
[23:01:11] <MinuteElectron>	Whether or not you need this depends entirely on your circumstances, personalyl I would choose to use it on any wiki with a reasonable amount of traffic.
[23:12:17] <Traveler6>	i secured mysql via phpmyadmin.if i type in mysql it says access denied. how can i login via console now?
[23:12:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Unable to edit/create a page with PHP 5.3 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18375 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (a-sumarc)
[23:23:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) DateFormatter::reformat called unecessarily - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18376 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (wclark)
[23:31:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) DateFormatter::reformat called unecessarily - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18376  (10wclark)
[23:37:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) DateFormatter::reformat called unnecessarily - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18376  summary (10wclark)