[00:21:26] <Hasbro>	Evening
[00:21:53] <Hasbro>	Any developers online irc who have a moment?
[00:21:59] <Hasbro>	If any at all
[00:22:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	Hasbro: You should just ask your question. If someone can help you they will do so.
[00:23:25] <rki>	Running mediawiki. I'm trying to upload an xml file, and I keep getting this error: "Import failed: Upload of import file failed. A temporary folder is missing." Even though,  there's a temp folder created and its +rw. 
[00:23:54] <Hasbro>	Okay. Well has anyone thought to implement an option to enable/disable recaptcha when editing a page?
[00:24:38] <Hasbro>	eh, nvm
[00:24:41] <Hasbro>	found something
[00:24:42] <Hasbro>	my mistake
[00:24:43] <Hasbro>	:)
[00:28:24] <Mike_lifeguard>	YAY I SOLVED ANOTHER PERSONS PROBLEM
[00:28:27] *Mike_lifeguard 	is wonderful
[00:29:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Microsoft SQL Server/MSSQL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9767  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:26:22] <Simetrical>	Whoa, we got 5 GSoC slots?
[01:26:27] <Simetrical>	Do we have anywhere near that many menots?
[01:26:29] <Simetrical>	mentors?
[01:26:33] <Simetrical>	Or usable applications?
[01:27:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow modification of default chunk size for low-use svn repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18444 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (stwalkerster)
[01:28:40] <p858snake>	you know what would nice, a nice and easy way to move files between a wiki farm so all you press is something like the move button on articles and it keeps everything intack  *cough* ->Commons would be a good example
[01:44:32] <AnonDiss>	Hello. How expensive is too expensive for #ifexist?
[02:01:16] <AnonDiss>	How expensive is too expensive for #ifexist?
[02:01:38] <Splarka>	you mean like, how many per page call?
[02:02:50] <AnonDiss>	Yeah.
[02:04:05] <Splarka>	. o O (some standardized template profiling would be useful)
[02:05:44] <rki>	I'm trying to upload an xml file, and I keep getting this error: "Import failed: Upload of import file failed. A temporary folder is missing." Even though,  there's a temp folder created and its +rw. 
[02:06:53] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: Know if there is any way to <includeonly>subst:</includeonly> the ifexist pf? It's not working, but it's crucial for what I need to do.
[02:07:54] <Splarka>	mmm, I don't know... I do know most parserfunctions can be subst'd, but I also know I've never had #switch successfully subst myself (except for the default case)
[02:08:10] <Splarka>	never tried ifexist
[02:11:37] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: Is there another way of achieving the same thing that you know of?
[02:15:00] <Splarka>	mmm... well if you're substing...
[02:15:25] <Splarka>	then you could probably make an API call to check if the page existed, and have two different templates used depending on the result
[02:15:27] <Splarka>	via javascript
[02:15:44] <Splarka>	like {{subst:foo|talkpage}} vs {{subst:foo|notalkpage}} 
[02:15:49] <Splarka>	(generic example)
[02:16:35] <AnonDiss>	Right, I see. That's a possibility.
[02:16:57] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:17:08] <Splarka>	are you using a literal parameter or a magic word?
[02:17:31] <Splarka>	{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexist:foo|bar|baz}} or 
[02:17:59] *Splarka 	looks it up
[02:18:03] <AnonDiss>	Yes, that. {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexist:foo|bar|baz}}
[02:18:07] <Splarka>	{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexist:{{TALKPAGENAME}}|bar|baz}}
[02:18:15] <Splarka>	because it might work if you...
[02:18:19] <Splarka>	{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexist:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>TALKPAGENAME}}|bar|baz}}
[02:18:29] <Splarka>	not sure
[02:18:33] <AnonDiss>	I'll try it.
[02:21:07] <AnonDiss>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Anonymous_Dissident/test02
[02:21:10] <AnonDiss>	:/
[02:23:18] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:23:21] <Splarka>	but that works when subst'd
[02:23:27] <Splarka>	but just not when not substed
[02:23:32] <Splarka>	so...
[02:24:34] <Splarka>	{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}|{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexist:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>TALKPAGENAME}}|0|1}}|{{#ifexist:{{TALKPAGENAME}}|0|1}}}}
[02:24:35] <Splarka>	maybe
[02:24:43] <Splarka>	except you wanna subst that too...
[02:24:47] <AnonDiss>	Yeah. My only problem is that the advantage of the template I'm trying to create comes in the fact that it ideally shouldn't need to be substed. The source will be huge if it is to work.
[02:24:51] <Splarka>	{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>NAMESPACE}}|{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexist:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>TALKPAGENAME}}|0|1}}|{{#ifexist:{{TALKPAGENAME}}|0|1}}}}
[02:25:00] <Splarka>	try that^
[02:25:04] <AnonDiss>	Okay.
[02:25:11] <Splarka>	that is subst-detect magic
[02:26:35] <AnonDiss>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Anonymous_Dissident/test02
[02:26:52] <AnonDiss>	Seems to be working. I think. 
[02:27:12] <Splarka>	spooky
[02:27:17] <AnonDiss>	Thanks. :)
[02:27:18] <Splarka>	try substing it too
[02:27:21] <AnonDiss>	Okay.
[02:27:23] <Splarka>	*hack*
[02:27:43] <AnonDiss>	It gives a template loop.
[02:27:47] <Splarka>	damn
[02:28:19] <Splarka>	no idea why it would do that! stab/pokle tim, heh
[02:30:33] <AnonDiss>	Ah. It doesn't. I just entered the wrong code.
[02:30:34] *Splarka 	had a headache before you asked, won
[02:30:38] <AnonDiss>	Sorry. 
[02:30:40] <AnonDiss>	^^
[02:30:42] <Splarka>	't try to look into it too deeply
[02:30:54] <AnonDiss>	It works.
[02:30:56] <Splarka>	damn you, apostrophe, you always get me
[02:52:09] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: it's all working now; thanks for your help. Do you think you could provide any kind of estimate as to how many #ifexist calls I could have in one template without over-expending?
[02:52:18] <AnonDiss>	10? 20? 50?
[03:01:19] <mnereson>	Hi. At some point over the past couple of weeks my wide-open instance of media wiki seems to have been attacked maybe? all my pages are still present, but have no data or history. However all the data is still in my database. I'd guess some ids somewhere got switched. Does this sound like a familiar attack? an attack at all? any way to fix it? 
[03:01:26] <mnereson>	http://wiki.architecturerules.org
[03:01:57] <mnereson>	if I goto recent changes, I can see my old pages and old data... http://wiki.architecturerules.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=1000&limit=1000&hideminor=0 
[03:05:48] <AnonDiss>	tomaszf: Sorry to disturb you, but do you know what en.wikipedia's $wgExpensiveParserFunctionLimit is set to?
[03:06:10] <tomaszf>	nope .. but let me check in a sec
[03:07:01] <p858snake>	$wgExpensiveParserFunctionLimit = 500; <it appears
[03:07:09] <AnonDiss>	Oh. Thanks.
[03:07:31] <tomaszf>	yup .. that's what it is
[03:15:08] <Splarka>	AnonDiss: fyi, it should say that in the page source as a comment
[03:15:25] <AnonDiss>	Splarka: right, okay.
[03:15:37] <Splarka>	Expensive parser function count: 0/500
[03:15:45] <AnonDiss>	Ah...
[03:16:15] <Splarka>	which is that, pagesize, categorymembers, IIRC
[03:16:59] <OverlordQ>	ifexist, pagesincat, pagesize
[03:17:15] <Splarka>	pagesincat is a dumb name
[03:17:30] <OverlordQ>	?
[03:18:27] <Splarka>	'Categorymembers' woulda been more sensible ^_^
[03:19:17] <OverlordQ>	pagesincategory seems more idiot friendly though ;)
[03:26:58] <OverlordQ>	disabling the TOC is __NOTOC__ right?
[03:27:46] <Splarka>	si
[03:28:00] <OverlordQ>	__DISABLETOC__ woulda been more sensible ;)
[03:28:25] <Eulalia>	Why can't images be moved?
[03:28:29] <Splarka>	right, but the API has categorymembers already
[03:28:45] <Splarka>	Eulalia: they can, if the feature is enabled 
[03:29:00] <Eulalia>	Thanks a bunch
[03:29:10] <Splarka>	they're disabled on WMF due to an annoying situation where images with old revisions missing would corrupt the pages when move was...
[03:29:10] <Splarka>	nm
[03:30:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Additional wgCaptchaRegexes entry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18445 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mikelifeguard)
[03:32:28] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=23022  vs http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=32932
[03:32:36] *Splarka 	prefer categorymembers, as it was already in use
[03:33:28] <OverlordQ>	I know, just giving ya a hard time :P
[03:33:40] <Splarka>	that's what she said
[03:49:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) array of boring event types to exclude from recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18364  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[05:29:49] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49433 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Disable extract for log items for speed
[05:33:57] <CIA-78>	03aaron * r49434 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Remove extra code left in r49433
[05:51:58] <Matt>	good evening room
[05:54:49] <Matt>	does anyone know if there's a Magic Word for the recent changes?
[05:56:32] <werdna>	abracadabra
[05:56:51] <Matt>	:)
[05:56:54] <werdna>	can you be more specific about what you want to accomplish?
[05:56:59] <Matt>	sure
[05:57:53] <Matt>	i'd love to display the latest created articles, or the latest changes, on the homepage of my wiki. Thought about a magic word, but there might be something else i assume
[05:58:13] <Splarka>	{{Special:RecentChanges}}
[05:58:23] <Matt>	there you go!!
[05:58:26] <Matt>	thanks!
[05:58:29] <OverlordQ>	you can transclude most of the special pages
[05:58:48] <Matt>	always learning
[05:59:18] <Splarka>	no
[05:59:22] <Splarka>	you can tranclude like 5 of them
[05:59:24] <Splarka>	maybe 6
[06:00:06] <werdna>	whatever :)
[06:00:10] <Matt>	does anyone know if there's be a MediaWiki Developer Meet-Up in SF, like the one in Berlin?
[06:00:19] <Matt>	*there'll be
[06:00:34] <Splarka>	start a rumor about one, maybe it'll happen
[06:01:10] <Matt>	guys, i've heard about a MediaWiki Dev Meetup in SF this summer... Anyone interested?
[06:01:24] <Matt>	will see..
[06:01:59] <Matt>	g-night
[06:08:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Some automatic SUL user creations not logged. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18446 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (dmcdevit)
[06:39:06] <Emufarmers>	Splarka: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2009-April/030605.html
[06:39:11] <Emufarmers>	We're falling behind :(
[06:39:48] <Splarka>	time travel
[06:40:01] <OverlordQ>	i was just going to suggest that
[06:40:13] <Reedy>	failing that, its omg h4x
[06:40:32] <Splarka>	or package precession
[06:44:11] <p858snake>	ooh thats one of the emails i replied too!
[06:44:36] *Emufarmers 	gives cookie
[06:45:07] <p858snake>	i'm still confused about what he wants done with permissions but whatever
[07:23:20] <Splarka>	damn, they gave up after only two semi-blankings, no fun
[07:25:31] <Emufarmers>	Our vandals suck
[07:25:53] <Splarka>	at least on Uncyclopedia they're sometimes creative
[07:27:07] <Emufarmers>	You edit Uncyclopedia?
[07:27:55] <Splarka>	I used to
[07:28:22] <Emufarmers>	Under what name?
[07:28:26] <Splarka>	Splaka
[07:28:33] <Emufarmers>	clevar
[07:28:38] <Splarka>	yah.... I made a typo registering, didn't notice it for 4 days, by then it was too late
[07:29:12] <Emufarmers>	Couldn't you have just asked for a rename?
[07:29:19] <Splarka>	not in 1.5
[07:29:22] <Splarka>	or even 1.4 at the time
[07:29:38] <Splarka>	this was like 4 years ago
[07:30:01] <Emufarmers>	http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:American_goths.jpg did you shop that yourself?
[07:30:07] <Splarka>	yep
[07:30:22] <Splarka>	heh, at one point I did the math, I had 45% of all deletions in the complete history of Uncyc, with ~50 active admins
[07:30:27] <Splarka>	er, 50 admins, about half active
[07:55:45] <faceface>	Splarka: that means in all probability you deleted my article
[07:56:15] <faceface>	which confirms my suspition that you have no sense of humor ;-p
[07:56:34] <Splarka>	depends on when it was
[07:56:55] <Splarka>	I deleted tens of thousands of crap pages posted there
[07:57:36] <Splarka>	and when I'd mention the worst ones, Rcmurphy would undelete them and use them as featured articles
[07:57:47] <Splarka>	euroipods, fischer price...
[07:58:13] <Splarka>	http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fisher_Price
[07:58:30] <Splarka>	here, I deleted this, it consisted purely of "go eat shit fuckers"
[07:58:44] <Splarka>	he undeleted it, featured it, and later it became http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fisher_Price:_A_Retrospective
[08:00:11] <faceface>	lol
[08:00:26] <Splarka>	http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Euroipods  same for this X_X
[08:00:28] <faceface>	mine was 'the English l-egg-sicon'
[08:00:29] *Splarka 	hate
[08:00:40] <faceface>	it was egg-cilent
[08:00:46] <Splarka>	well, check the delete log
[08:00:57] <faceface>	you do it!
[08:01:21] <Splarka>	too lazy
[08:07:37] <faceface>	me too
[08:23:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AntiSpoof clobbering mixed case users. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18447 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AntiSpoof; (overlordq)
[08:27:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AntiSpoof confused by users differing only in capitalisation (mysql case-insensitivity) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18447  summary; +comment (10agarrett)
[08:28:53] <OverlordQ>	lol, couldn't think of a good summary :)
[08:29:45] <Splarka>	the spoof is in the pudd1ng
[08:29:58] <OverlordQ>	>_>
[09:11:21] *werdna 	stabs Splarka 
[09:12:55] *Splarka 	bleeds for your sins
[09:14:25] <Splarka>	don't be aloof, the proof that antispoof can goof is eno(ugh)f to cause you, the youth, to sleuth out the truth
[09:14:34] <Splarka>	{{fixit}}
[09:15:23] <werdna>	I WILL kill you
[09:16:32] <Splarka>	justifiable homicide
[09:17:02] <p858snake>	{{resolved|can't be arsed to fix it, find someone else}} >.> and yes i've seen it used on en.wiki before
[09:23:35] <werdna>	08:32 < wikibugs> (NEW) AntiSpoof clobbering mixed case users. - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18447 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AntiSpoof; (overlordq)
[09:23:48] *werdna 	was wondering what AntiSpoof was clobbering the users with
[09:23:54] <werdna>	and whether we could turn the bug into a feature.
[09:24:30] <guillom>	:D
[09:25:21] <Splarka>	"A bug is just food nobody has been hungry enough to eat yet"
[09:27:44] *werdna 	was tempted to close as RESOLVED WONTFIX because mixed-case usernames are usually idiots
[10:10:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please close Pashto Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18448 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (dferg-wiki)
[10:26:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) autoblock disabled for IPs makes no sense - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17498  (10dferg-wiki)
[10:48:24] <CIA-78>	03catrope * r49435 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php): API: Add parentid (rev_parent_id) to prop=revisions output, as requested by Luca
[10:48:51] <CIA-78>	03btongminh * r49436 10/branches/NssMySQLAuth-rewrite/NssMySQLAuth/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Commit first work on the backend rewrite, which splits of the user property management from the special page and also allows the use of the authentication against the NSS database without using the account manager.
[11:07:05] <Aleenf1>	excuse me
[11:07:17] <temba>	hello, i dont get it work to red boxes like in this wiki = http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Heartbeat_and_DRBD, section System Configuration. i tried all, the faq, the help. etc. but i dont get such red boxes like there. any ideas ?
[11:07:55] <Aleenf1>	i place the css script in common.css, it didn't work, how to fix this?
[11:11:59] <stwalkerster>	Aleenf1: did you purge your cache?
[11:12:37] <Aleenf1>	yes
[11:12:39] <Aleenf1>	and many times
[11:13:20] <stwalkerster>	which common.css? the file, or MediaWiki:Common.css ?
[11:13:35] <Aleenf1>	Mediawiki
[11:13:45] <stwalkerster>	hmmm
[11:14:33] <stwalkerster>	I dunno, sorry. I'll let one of the experts here answer properly :)
[11:14:33] <Splarka>	view a page source, is there a <style>@import or <link> loading MediaWiki:Common.css ?
[11:14:46] <Aleenf1>	but it is work in MediaWiki:Copyright
[11:15:45] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: view now
[11:16:14] <Splarka>	like for example on:  view-source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage
[11:16:19] <Splarka>	<link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&amp;usemsgcache=yes&amp;ctype=text%2Fcss&amp;smaxage=2678400&amp;action=raw&amp;maxage=2678400" type="text/css" />
[11:19:07] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: No, not have that line you mean
[11:19:46] <Splarka>	are you using monobook? what is your Special:Version version?
[11:19:56] <Splarka>	you may have an @import loading it
[11:20:56] <Aleenf1>	1.14
[11:21:26] <Splarka>	what is 'var skin' set to in the top <script> ?
[11:22:12] <Aleenf1>	what you mean?
[11:23:02] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: What you mean?
[11:23:06] <Splarka>	view-source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage  -> var skin = "monobook";
[11:23:11] <Splarka>	monobook for you?
[11:25:10] <temba>	any one can help with my formatting problem ?
[11:26:18] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: Yes, monobook
[11:26:37] <Splarka>	hmm, then it sounds like you have $wgUseSiteCss set to false
[11:26:52] <Splarka>	it is set to true in DefaultSettings.php, check your LocalSettings.php to see if it is false
[11:27:24] <leafnode>	temba: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Template:File - just copy this template to your wiki
[11:27:41] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: do it now, i will back after restarting firefox
[11:28:13] <temba>	leafnode when i do this, i get "template loop detected"
[11:30:40] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: forget your instructions
[11:30:55] <leafnode>	temba: do you use it properly? {{File|Title|body}}
[11:31:02] <Splarka>	<Splarka> it is set to true in DefaultSettings.php, check your LocalSettings.php to see if it is false
[11:31:10] <Splarka>	$wgUseSiteCss ^
[11:31:51] <temba>	leafnode i copied the text from wiki toi my artcile, the copied the template to template
[11:32:23] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: not in my LocalSettings
[11:32:28] <leafnode>	temba: is it public? Can I see it?
[11:32:40] <Splarka>	Aleenf1: try setting it to true maybe
[11:32:55] <Splarka>	$wgUseSiteCss = true;
[11:34:16] <CIA-78>	03ialex * r49437 10/trunk/extensions/BadImage/BadImage.php: Added bad_images table to the ones used in paser tests
[11:35:18] <Aleenf1>	Splarka:done
[11:35:23] <Aleenf1>	what next next?
[11:36:37] <Splarka>	purge page, see if there is a line loading MediaWiki:Common.css
[11:37:03] <Aleenf1>	page source?
[11:37:07] <Splarka>	index.php?title=Main_Page&action=purge
[11:37:10] <Splarka>	yah, in the source
[11:38:24] <Aleenf1>	index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&amp;action=edit
[11:38:27] <Aleenf1>	this line?
[11:38:49] <Splarka>	it should be action=raw
[11:39:03] <Splarka>	can you pastebin a whole page source?
[11:39:13] <Splarka>	rar roan
[11:39:21] <RoanKattouw>	Hi Splarka 
[11:39:23] <Aleenf1>	ok
[11:39:45] <Splarka>	to  http://p.defau.lt/new.html or http://rafb.net/paste/
[11:40:43] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: http://p.defau.lt/?LB1nApBBmvfDtN7BAujcww
[11:41:41] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:42:20] <Splarka>	very odd indeed, no CSS being loaded
[11:42:23] <Splarka>	did you recently upgrade?
[11:42:46] <Aleenf1>	to 1.14
[11:42:46] <Splarka>	sometimes this happens if you upgrade just some files and not all
[11:43:02] <Splarka>	the CSS loading I believe was moved from one skin file to another
[11:43:19] <Splarka>	so it is possible that MonoBook.php, Skin.php, or SkinTemplate.php did not get upgraded for you
[11:43:35] <Splarka>	that monobook skin looks customized in fact
[11:43:51] <Splarka>	so I am guessing you have to merge your edits with the 1.14 version
[11:44:01] <Splarka>	(which is WHY we don't support editing core files)
[11:44:08] <temba>	leafnode i left priv msg
[11:44:12] <Aleenf1>	ok, can i just download Monobook.php?
[11:44:31] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_14/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php
[11:44:45] <Splarka>	maybe...
[11:45:01] <Splarka>	not sure which file is the problem, offhand
[11:45:01] <Aleenf1>	i think i get your point
[11:45:23] <Splarka>	might help to check which files in /skins and /includes didn't get upgraded
[11:45:28] <Splarka>	MonoBook.php is probably the most likely
[11:48:47] <temba>	leafnode ?
[11:57:15] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: http://p.defau.lt/?sgiF_UQpJbC6gp_eMZwIqg
[11:57:43] <temba>	http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Heartbeat_and_DRBD <-- System, Configuratio Section, i dont get such red boxes when doing a template for them. do i have to enable something in the local/ default settings to get it work ?
[11:57:53] <RoanKattouw>			<script type="text/javascript" src="/w/index.php?title=-&amp;action=raw&amp;smaxage=0&amp;gen=js&amp;useskin=monobook"><!-- site js --></script>
[11:57:59] <temba>	can any help,, also if its not a css problem
[11:58:00] <RoanKattouw>	Seems to load sire JS
[11:58:21] <Splarka>	Aleenf1: what did you change?
[11:58:34] <Aleenf1>	upload new monobook
[11:59:01] <RoanKattouw>	temba: Look at the wiki source: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/w/index.php?title=Heartbeat_and_DRBD&action=edit&section=2
[11:59:13] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:59:18] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: Thanks, works
[11:59:33] <RoanKattouw>	temba: Looks like you gotta use {{File|filename|content}}
[11:59:34] <Aleenf1>	i catch your point
[11:59:35] <temba>	RoanKattouw i did , but i get then template loop warnings :-(
[11:59:50] <Splarka>	does it? I don't see Common.css there, but if you're happy ... ^_^
[11:59:58] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: Recently i kept 1.13 monobook
[12:00:03] <Splarka>	ah
[12:00:20] <Splarka>	so you just have to manually merge your changes to the 1.14?
[12:00:26] <Splarka>	better is to make changes via extension hooks
[12:00:29] <RoanKattouw>	temba: I don't, see the bottom of the [[Sandbox]]
[12:00:33] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: Yeah
[12:00:55] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: Now i can load wikitable
[12:01:09] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: /w/index.php?title=-&amp;action=raw&amp;smaxage=0&amp;gen=js&amp;useskin=monobook loads that automagically
[12:01:12] <temba>	RoanKattouw what does that mean ? Sandbox ?
[12:01:18] <RoanKattouw>	http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Sandbox
[12:01:34] <Splarka>	Roan: loads what automatically?
[12:01:35] <Aleenf1>	Splarka: Thank you so much
[12:01:47] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Common.js etc.
[12:02:05] <Splarka>	Roan: their problem is CSS
[12:02:11] <RoanKattouw>	Oh right
[12:02:12] <Splarka>	which is loaded via <link>, formerly via <style>
[12:02:26] <Splarka>	between 1.13 and 1.14 the loading was moved between the skin files
[12:02:28] <Aleenf1>	bye
[12:02:37] <Splarka>	at least 2 other people have come here with customized skins complaining about it
[12:03:03] <Splarka>	how they no longer get Skin/Common.css
[12:03:12] <MinuteElectron>	http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/13/0120226&from=rss # sweet
[12:03:59] <Splarka>	graffiti.cs.brown thing?
[12:04:20] *Splarka 	waits for load
[12:04:42] <MinuteElectron>	yeah
[12:04:53] <MinuteElectron>	don't waste your bandwidth ;)
[12:05:19] <Splarka>	yknow, a few years ago there was a mass scale random editing of open wikis, adding 24-27 digit numbers
[12:05:31] <Splarka>	either in existing pages or by creating new pages, by random anon proxies
[12:05:56] <Splarka>	(wikia eventually wrote SpamRegex and blocked numbers in that digit range from appearing alone on a line)
[12:05:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some automatic SUL user creations not logged. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18446  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[12:16:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) rebuildrecentchanges.inc ignores $wgLogRestrictions, adding private logs to RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18441  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[12:16:45] <CIA-78>	03demon * r49438 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/rebuildrecentchanges.inc): (bug 18441) rebuildrecentchanges.inc no longer ignores $wgLogRestrictions. Also a related fixme, now build this list automatically from $wgLogTypes.
[12:31:44] <CIA-78>	03demon * r49439 10/trunk/phase3/includes/media/DjVu.php: Strict standards, declaration of functions much match parent.
[12:39:25] <CIA-78>	03demon * r49440 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialRecentchanges.php): (bug 18317) Bolded selections in 1 | 3 | etc days on RecentChanges now use <strong> instead of hardcoded styles. Based on patch by jidanni.
[12:39:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "changes in last 1 | 3 | 7 | 14 | 30 days" accessibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18317  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[12:39:55] <^demon>	Hehe, I got an e-mail from jidanni and gmail marked it as spam.
[12:42:39] <p858snake>	lol
[12:42:57] <p858snake>	as in private email or email to mailing list?
[12:43:07] <^demon>	private email.
[12:44:11] <p858snake>	also were falling behind, we should have 1.17 installed in our wikis >.> <3 that email
[12:44:32] <^demon>	huh? Who said anything about 1.17?
[12:44:41] <Norsys>	Hi
[12:44:53] <Splarka>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2009-April/030605.html
[12:44:56] <p858snake>	^demon: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2009-April/030604.html
[12:44:58] <Splarka>	^ ^demon
[12:45:39] <p858snake>	whopps pay attention to Splarka's link and not mine
[12:46:26] <^demon>	heheh.
[12:46:46] <Nikerabbit>	hi ^demon 
[12:47:44] <^demon>	Hey-o :)
[12:48:21] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Are you guys still getting that SkinModern error on translatewiki?
[12:49:27] <Nikerabbit>	dunno
[12:49:36] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: you should hang around on the channel :o
[12:52:35] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: I certainly can't replicate it :(
[12:53:16] <ialex>	^demon: the problem is that Skin::historyLink() is called from Article.php
[12:53:33] <ialex>	when deleting a page with more than one revision
[12:53:51] <^demon>	I tried that...let me see again
[12:54:30] <^demon>	Ah gotcha.
[12:54:31] <^demon>	Ok
[13:09:00] <^demon>	ialex: Really, the problem is that $mTitle is being initialized way too late. Ideally, it needs to be when the skin is setup, that that's at the first call of User::getSkin() :-\
[13:39:11] <ialex>	^demon: or you can like OutputPage: Skin::getTitle() :)
[13:44:41] <ialex>	+do
[13:47:22] <^demon>	ialex: Considered that. Playing with some other stuff now too. local trunk is completely borked atm.
[13:53:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow filter rules to consider private data such as source IP, reverse DNS and user agent. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18429  (10agarrett)
[14:18:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow filter rules to consider private data such as source IP, reverse DNS and user agent. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18429  (10matthew.britton)
[14:21:26] <Matir>	Is there any interface to Special:UserRights that does not require the admin to type in the username?  We're running wikis for professors, and their ability to handle that is potentially limited. :)
[14:23:21] <^demon>	Matir: No, not really.
[14:24:11] <RoanKattouw>	Matir: In what way would you want to specify the username then?
[14:24:30] <Matir>	RoanKattouw: perhaps a list similar to Special:ListUsers
[14:26:18] <RoanKattouw>	Matir: It's possible, through a detour
[14:26:27] <Matir>	oh?
[14:27:02] <RoanKattouw>	Find a link to the user page somewhere (like on listusers or RC), then on the userpage click the "User contributions" link in the toolbox, then on the contribs page click the "User rights management" link on top
[14:27:27] <RoanKattouw>	(alternatively, there are direct links to the contribs page on RC, history and possibly other places)
[14:28:20] <Matir>	ah, cool, thanks, I'll just add it to our documentation
[14:29:19] <RoanKattouw>	Of course they can also open another tab, find a reference to the user and copypaste their name :P
[14:45:19] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Morning; did you see the chatter on the GSoC list about giving back student slots to the pool? We've currently got 5 and I don't think we're gonna use em all
[14:45:49] <brion-breakfast>	not yet. i'll peek over it today
[14:46:02] <RoanKattouw>	Great
[14:51:10] *^demon 	goes and toasts a bagel
[14:52:51] <piksi>	is this a bug: http://pastebin.com/m7f066dd0 ?
[14:53:09] <piksi>	the category (Blah) and one page in that category exists
[14:53:19] <werdna>	14:30 < Matir> Is there any interface to Special:UserRights that does not require the admin to type in the username?  We're running wikis for professors, and their ability to handle that is  potentially limited. :)
[14:53:23] <werdna>	A little user selector would be neat for these occasions
[14:53:44] <Matir>	werdna: agreed, it really wood
[14:53:46] <Matir>	would*
[14:53:49] <Matir>	I can't type today
[14:54:06] <RoanKattouw>	Or a suggestion thingy like we do on Special:Search
[14:54:08] <^demon>	piksi: Special:Random/Blah tries to pick a page from "Blah:" namespace
[14:54:23] <^demon>	Not "Category:Blah"
[14:54:50] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: that's what I'm thinking of
[14:54:50] <piksi>	^demon: oh damn. my fault, mixed namespaces and categories in my head
[14:54:57] <piksi>	^demon: thanks
[14:55:14] <^demon>	Now, it _should_ be skipping that error and defaulting to the main namespace...what version do you have?
[14:55:59] <werdna>	brion-breakfast: "Ocarina" is a sweet iphone app you might want to play with on the way to work. Basically it's like a flute. You blow into the mic and finger notes with four touch hotspots on the screen.
[14:56:03] <werdna>	It's ridiculously easy to learn
[14:56:19] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: api.php?action=query&list=allusers&auprefix=Foo
[14:56:35] <^demon>	Bagel's done :)
[14:56:39] <piksi>	^demon: 1.14.0, basic install, 5.1.6 php
[14:57:01] <^demon>	I think I fixed that bug in 1.14 somewhere
[14:57:25] <piksi>	^demon: and i'm using php as apache module
[14:57:36] <^demon>	It's a MW error, not PHP or apache.
[14:57:54] <CIA-15>	03btongminh * r49441 10/branches/NssMySQLAuth-rewrite/NssMySQLAuth/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Further work on the backend and a start on the UI.
[14:58:43] <piksi>	^demon: seems like the generated sql query is invalid
[14:58:48] <^demon>	piksi: Actually, it didn't get fixed until 1.15alpha :)
[14:58:57] <piksi>	^demon: generates error when i run it in phpmysql as query
[14:59:05] <^demon>	The generated SQL _is_ invalid when you specify a namespace that doesn't exist.
[14:59:12] <werdna>	what's NssMySQLAuth-rewrite?
[14:59:38] <piksi>	^demon: ok, no problem, i won't be facing that bug anymore now that i got past my brainfart and moved the pages to the right namespace, thanks :-)
[15:00:07] <^demon>	piksi: Ok. I fixed it in r48059 about 5 weeks ago.
[15:01:03] <^demon>	werdna: I never knew what NssMySQLAuth was to begin with.
[15:02:29] <werdna>	neither do I :P
[15:02:50] <RoanKattouw>	I also didn't know Bryan had anything to do with it
[15:05:12] <piksi>	^demon: hmm, seems to generate  "Undefined property: RandomPage::$namespace" php error when called in an empty namespace, was that also part of your fix?
[15:06:01] <CIA-15>	03demon * r49442 10/trunk/phase3/includes/media/Bitmap.php: If the file doesn't exist, we get a whole bunch of cascading PHP errors.
[15:06:29] <^demon>	piksi: Not part of my fix, but I don't get the same error.
[15:08:53] <^demon>	werdna: Ah, description makes some sense: "A plugin to authenticate against a libnss-mysql database"
[15:08:53] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49443 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Update Wiki Article Feeds definition (spaces are removed to resolve proper path)
[15:13:39] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49444 10/trunk/extensions/WikiArticleFeeds/WikiArticleFeeds.i18n.php: 
[15:13:39] <CIA-15>	* article -> page
[15:13:39] <CIA-15>	* remove period from description
[15:13:39] <CIA-15>	* tweak 'wikiarticlefeeds_combined_description'
[15:40:08] <Atomy>	hey, could someone give me a hint howto add a small header on top of the wiki ? (containing crosslink to forums/other pages within a project)
[15:41:12] <RoanKattouw_away>	!sitenotice | Atomy 
[15:41:12] --mwbot--	Atomy: Sitenotice is a wiki-wide message that appears at the top of the page for all users. It is editable by users in the sysop usergroup at [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. See also: !anonnotice
[15:45:24] <Atomy>	thanks
[15:47:30] <^demon>	werdna: Related discussion on preferences on enwiki. Similar to what we were saying about "who uses what prefs?" the other day. http://mibbit.com/url/vvuSOe 
[15:49:28] <werdna>	It's related to date linking
[15:49:33] <werdna>	=> I don't want to read it
[15:49:53] <^demon>	Then don't :)
[15:52:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) history.js blocks gecko browser with 100% CPU when rendering long history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17240  (10xenowiki)
[16:08:03] <qwp0>	hi, does anyone know the add-pages-from-category feature in Special:Export doesn't work (i.e. it doesn't add any pages)?
[16:08:07] <^demon>	werdna: Is the pref branch missing a method in User? I keep getting a called to undefined method "encodeOptions()"
[16:13:11] <stwalkerster_>	qwp0: what version are you using?
[16:15:37] <RoanKattouw>	qwp0: Tried with and without the Category: prefix yet?
[16:15:44] <RoanKattouw>	Only one of them worked, don't remember which
[16:17:06] <qwp0>	stwalkerster_: err, not quite sure, how can I find it out, please?
[16:17:25] <qwp0>	RoanKattouw: hmm, it doesn't appear to work even with the Category: prefix
[16:17:40] <RoanKattouw>	[[Special:Version]]
[16:18:03] <qwp0>	1.13.3
[16:18:12] <RoanKattouw>	That should work IIRC
[16:18:34] <RoanKattouw>	Apparently you need to use the Category: prefix and click the Add button next to the textbox
[16:20:38] <qwp0>	hmm, now I'm confused whether what I'm trying to add is a category -- what's the definition of category for MediaWiki...  Is it simply a wiki page prefix?
[16:20:58] <RoanKattouw>	No
[16:21:03] <RoanKattouw>	!categories
[16:21:03] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[16:21:23] <qwp0>	Aha, I'm talking about name spaces, right?
[16:21:31] <RoanKattouw>	Possibly
[16:21:42] <RoanKattouw>	Help:Categories is in the Help namespace
[16:21:47] <qwp0>	I see, thank you
[16:22:21] <RoanKattouw>	But calling a page Foo:Bar doesn't mean it's in the Foo namespace; namespaces have to be explicitly defined
[16:22:36] <RoanKattouw>	!namespaces
[16:22:36] --mwbot--	For help with understanding and manipulating namespaces, please consult <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace>. See also !extranamespace
[16:23:14] <RoanKattouw>	Err what I meant above was: just because there's a page called Foo:Bar doesn't mean there's a namespace called Foo
[16:25:24] <qwp0>	OK, I had no problem with namespaces so far :)  (i.e., according to the page table and various page_namespace values, I understand namespaces right)
[16:26:01] <qwp0>	In any case, thank you, going to create some categories for my pages ;)
[16:26:25] <qwp0>	or, one more thing -- isn't there a nice tool for exporting pages according to their namespaces?
[16:26:42] <RoanKattouw>	qwp0: Tool, yes. Nice ... :P
[16:26:43] <qwp0>	it would be very helpful
[16:26:55] <qwp0>	RoanKattouw: :P
[16:27:29] <RoanKattouw>	Try this: http://www.example.com/w/api.php?action=query&generator=allpages&gaplimit=max&gapnamespace=10&export&exportnowrap
[16:27:47] <RoanKattouw>	That'll export all pages in namespace 10 (Template) to a maximum of 500 pages
[16:28:30] <RoanKattouw>	(this assumes your index.php resides at http://www.example.com/w/index.php , change URL accordingly)
[16:28:50] <qwp0>	RoanKattouw: yes, I get it, very nice, thank you very much
[16:32:50] <ialex>	hey brion
[16:34:11] <brion>	oy oy
[16:34:13] <brion>	what's up all
[16:35:17] <stwalkerster_>	opposite of down :P
[16:40:42] <RoanKattouw>	brion: About the GSoC slot reallocation thingy: slot donations were really due yesterday, but Leslie will reallocate once more tonight, so if you wanna give some slots back (I suspect you do), you need to e-mail her today
[16:41:27] <brion>	due on easter sunday? that seems wise :)
[16:42:02] <RoanKattouw>	heh yeah I was cursing the Google folks for that too
[16:42:20] <brion>	i'll poke it
[16:42:26] <RoanKattouw>	It's even wiser of course to announce that deadline on Good Friday ^^
[17:10:58] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49445 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (28 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-13 17:03 UTC)
[17:11:08] <siebrand>	PHP Notice:  Undefined property:  SkinModern::$mTitle in /var/www/w/includes/Skin.php on line 1619
[17:13:31] <ialex>	siebrand: yes we know :)
[17:16:10] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49446 10/trunk/extensions/ (96 files in 80 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-13 17:03 UTC)
[17:19:22] <siebrand>	ialex: OK :)
[17:19:44] <ialex>	siebrand: stab ^demon if you want ;)
[17:19:49] <ialex>	hmm
[17:22:03] <AquaNet>	brion: What're your thoughts about putting SVN commit candidates on MW.org instead of using e-mail?
[17:22:14] <AquaNet>	Sim suggested it on the ML.
[17:26:07] <brion>	probably a good thing, haven't caught up on lists yet
[17:26:19] <AquaNet>	K.
[17:26:41] <AquaNet>	I would've just been bold and written a page, but I didn't know if you liked to keep the requests private or something.
[17:30:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335  (10Prodego)
[17:34:11] <kraut>	moin
[17:48:20] <Bluegoblin7>	hi, is there a way of moving the history & content of a page to another name on the wiki, whilst leaving the original page and history intact not as a redirect?
[17:48:44] <Bluegoblin7>	as in, moving [[Foo]] to [[Bar]], but they both exist seperately without any redirects and they both have full histories
[17:48:49] <RoanKattouw>	You mean like copying a page with full history?
[17:49:16] <RoanKattouw>	No, we don't have that
[17:49:31] <brion>	there's an extension for that
[17:49:58] <RoanKattouw>	Does it preserve history?
[17:50:07] <Bluegoblin7>	ok dw, ill just copy and paste :)
[17:50:18] <Bluegoblin7>	its a WMF wiki so extensions are out of the question ;)
[17:50:28] <Bluegoblin7>	cheers RoanKattouw, brion
[17:51:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	RoanKattouw: yes, it does
[17:51:20] <Mike_lifeguard>	I still don't understand why we don't use it
[17:51:25] <RoanKattouw>	Ah, what's its name then? (I can't find it in the ext. matrix)
[17:51:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	Duplicate?
[17:51:44] <RoanKattouw>	Ah of course
[17:51:54] <Mike_lifeguard>	Duplicator
[17:51:58] *RoanKattouw 	was grepping for "copy"
[17:52:01] <AquaNet>	Huh?
[17:52:03] <AquaNet>	Special:Export ?
[17:52:21] <RoanKattouw>	lol yeah of course. That requires import rights though
[17:52:22] <AquaNet>	Oh, same wiki. 
[17:52:31] <RoanKattouw>	Export the page, move it, import it
[17:53:34] <atglenn>	hello TrevorParscal_
[17:54:04] <TrevorParscal_>	hi
[17:54:06] <TrevorParscal_>	we are having issues with our router
[17:54:22] <atglenn>	I woas talking with arash about this
[17:55:03] <TrevorParscal_>	wikia's own wireless network is working, plugged into the wall directly works if we use a public domain server (something odd with the ns stuff there) and our router (wired and wireless) doesn't work no matter what we set our DNS to (or if we use the provided dns server from the router, etc)
[17:55:50] <atglenn>	so are they going to do something with the name service issue? 
[17:56:04] <atglenn>	I can go poke at the router and tell it to use 4.2.2.2 I suppose
[17:56:46] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49447 10/trunk/extensions/Farmer/ (Farmer.i18n.php Farmer.php SpecialFarmer.php): 
[17:56:46] <CIA-15>	* Added log to track wiki creation and deletion
[17:56:46] <CIA-15>	* Added reason field on creation and deletion forms
[17:56:46] <CIA-15>	* Wiki deletion now require confirmation
[17:59:05] <atglenn>	hello? TrevorParscal_? 
[17:59:31] <TrevorParscal_>	atglenn: yes?
[17:59:39] <TrevorParscal_>	would you like to come poke at the router?
[17:59:49] <atglenn>	so are they going to do something about the nameservice issue? 
[18:00:12] <atglenn>	yes, I'll come over there in a couple minutes obviously
[18:00:13] <TrevorParscal_>	arash knows...
[18:00:15] <TrevorParscal_>	k
[18:00:28] <aboostani>	Jason or Artur are currently in a meeting, but when they return they're going to talk to us
[18:00:36] <atglenn>	ok
[18:00:40] <aboostani>	in the meantime we're using their wireless
[18:00:44] <atglenn>	be over there in about 10 minutes
[18:00:48] <aboostani>	thanks
[18:00:48] <atglenn>	great, that's fine
[18:41:54] <estan>	hey. how can i create a numbered list of bullet lists ? (e.g. like this: http://dose.se/list.txt)
[18:42:46] <Simetrical>	#* 1
[18:42:48] <Simetrical>	#* 1
[18:42:53] <Simetrical>	Um . . .
[18:42:57] <Simetrical>	Maybe that won't work right.
[18:43:04] <Simetrical>	You can use <ol> and <ul>.
[18:43:51] <estan>	hm. alright.
[18:44:21] <estan>	but then i'd have to use <li> too?
[18:44:33] <estan>	kind of loosing the point with wiki markup then ;)
[18:46:00] <zocky>	why wouldn't it work with #* ?
[18:46:28] <zocky>	you need a couple of <br/>s, but otherwise, #* should be ok
[18:46:52] <Simetrical>	How do you get to item 2, if the only contents of both items are lists?
[18:47:06] <Simetrical>	Another #* starts a new bullet, not a new number.
[18:47:10] <estan>	ah okay. i did it with <ol> and * now and it works.
[18:47:14] <zocky>	# first head #* item #* item #* item #second head
[18:47:27] <Simetrical>	Assuming you have heads . . .
[18:47:39] <zocky>	there are heads in the example
[18:47:41] <estan>	i do ;) i'll try it.
[18:48:56] <zocky>	Simetrical, if you don't have heads, you just have # on the line
[18:49:01] <zocky>	that should work, I think
[18:49:09] <zocky>	if not, &nbsp; :P
[18:51:06] <zocky>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox <--- just # on the line works better than expected
[18:51:26] <estan>	#* worked fine; http://wiki.koffice.org/index.php?title=Text_Layout
[18:51:55] <estan>	thanks zocky and Simetrical.
[18:51:58] <fanno>	good evning all, i am a dev from a joomla project caled jfusion, wondering if one of the devs or a super user have a few minutes to spare
[18:52:02] <zocky>	np
[18:52:06] <Simetrical>	!ask | fanno 
[18:52:06] --mwbot--	fanno: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[18:56:39] <fanno>	i know i have lots of "flaws" that i need to work out i am sure, right now i am working on geting article edit to work. http://joomla.fanno.dk/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit i can login ect. i get the edit box displayed but the acual "saving" dont seem to work, is there any varibel checks that mediawiki is doing i need to be aware off
[19:02:26] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49448 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php skins/common/wikibits.js): fixes bug: 18200 Upload-by-URL has a different file size limit from HTTP POST uploads, needs to be shown in UI
[19:04:23] <zocky>	fanno, there's the edit token
[19:04:44] <zocky>	fanno, if you're customizing the edit page, you should make sure to pass that on properly
[19:10:15] <fanno>	i have not "costomized" the page
[19:10:36] <fanno>	i am displaying mediawiki inside joomla without an iframe
[19:13:21] <fanno>	i think it might have something to do with enctype="multipart/form-data" but i am not sure
[19:25:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CategoryPage.php miscalculates number of articles in a three-column list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18449 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (rtsanev)
[19:27:22] <zocky>	fanno, oh, did you turn off frame breaking in javascript?
[19:27:49] <zocky>	oh, without an iframe...
[19:36:44] <RoanKattouw>	fanno: Yes, you do need the right enctype
[19:44:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Chmod error when moving images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18326  (10duke33)
[19:44:18] <fanno>	zocky: i am almost sure the javascript is working a
[19:44:41] <fanno>	RoanKattouw: ya that is what i am thinki,g i just cant figure out of i can do this at all ... using php ( curl )
[19:45:01] <RoanKattouw>	application/x-www-form-data or something
[20:00:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450 critical; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Oversight; (oversight-wp)
[20:02:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload-by-URL has a different file size limit from HTTP POST uploads, needs to be shown in UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18200  (10dale)
[20:03:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload-by-URL has a different file size limit from HTTP POST uploads, needs to be shown in UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18200  (10dale)
[20:03:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Setup DB and templates through Admin Web page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14039  (10dale)
[20:04:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450  (10oversight-wp)
[20:07:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) history.js blocks gecko browser with 100% CPU when rendering long history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17240  +comment (10rockmfr)
[20:08:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450  normal->high (10oversight-wp)
[20:10:36] <Orngjce223>	Guy on #wikipedia was looking for an embed-widget for Wikipedia articles - is there one?
[20:10:56] <Orngjce223>	Hello?
[20:11:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	Orngjce223: what is "an embed-widget"?
[20:12:40] <Orngjce223>	Mike: A <div>-code that gives you an article's text and a link back to the original
[20:12:46] <Orngjce223>	like a Youtube embed code
[20:13:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	no
[20:14:02] <Mike_lifeguard>	you can do it with scarytransclusion maybe, but the other site would have to be a MW wiki
[20:14:28] <Orngjce223>	It's a blog
[20:14:37] <Mike_lifeguard>	you could probably do it somehow though... like query the api for the parsed html I guess
[20:14:50] <Splarka>	or <iframe> action=render (ew)
[20:15:00] <Orngjce223>	He said he was shying away from iframes
[20:15:11] <Orngjce223>	Yes, Splarka, I concur... ick
[20:15:13] <Duesentrieb>	Orngjce223: there are some extensions for iframes, or static html in general. and for embedding rss feeds. take your pick
[20:15:33] <Mike_lifeguard>	mib_3wp06m meet Orngjce223 :)
[20:15:46] <Orngjce223>	He's the one who asked the question :D
[20:15:52] <Duesentrieb>	Orngjce223: embedding html basically means iframe. or an html object, which isn't much different.
[20:15:52] <Mike_lifeguard>	I know
[20:16:03] <Amgine>	sure sure...
[20:16:04] <Orngjce223>	Something like.
[20:16:08] <Orngjce223>	Aanyway...
[20:16:17] <Orngjce223>	Mib, did you understand any of that?
[20:16:18] <mib_3wp06m>	iframes are often blocked, and impossible to create in many blogs
[20:16:21] <mib_3wp06m>	all of it.
[20:16:38] <mib_3wp06m>	youtube uses flash, which i'm not in love with, but it works.
[20:16:48] <solifugus>	What might explain a mediawiki error message saying there was  a loss of session data?  could not write an edit
[20:16:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	well you can get the parsed html from mediawiki
[20:16:54] <mib_3wp06m>	the formatting would have to be different if you were going to embed a wp article in a smaller "window" anyway
[20:16:55] <Duesentrieb>	for embedding whatever, see this:
[20:16:57] <Duesentrieb>	!html
[20:16:57] --mwbot--	For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[20:16:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	it'd be up to you to get it into the blog, I guess
[20:17:28] <mib_3wp06m>	it'd be impossible (not allowed) to get it into most blogs. but they allow embeds for videos.
[20:17:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	solifugus: if the session data was lost? :P... try logging in again
[20:17:36] <mib_3wp06m>	hence the "obsession" with embed.
[20:18:04] <Mike_lifeguard>	so that's not MediaWiki's fault :)
[20:18:31] <mib_3wp06m>	but i'm not blaming mediawiki
[20:18:52] <Orngjce223>	*L*
[20:19:01] <Orngjce223>	formatting-in-chatzilla-fail.
[20:19:03] <mib_3wp06m>	i just think it would be a great feature, perhaps one where you'd end up seeing full, up-to-date wp articles more often, like you see yt videos
[20:19:25] <Orngjce223>	mib: If you're so inclined, write your own MW extension ^.^
[20:19:39] <Mike_lifeguard>	ok, but that's a feature of the blog software
[20:19:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	not a feature of MW
[20:19:56] <solifugus>	mediawiki saves session data in the database, right?
[20:19:56] <Splarka>	if you don't use an iframe or smart-embeddor, you also lack the skin and content (both mediawiki and site-custom) classes
[20:19:57] <Amgine>	mib_3wp06m: embeds are a feature of the blog software, not of the source of content.
[20:19:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	you can already get parsed html from the wiki - it's the blog's fault it can't deal with that appropriatly
[20:20:05] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBL_FC  turns into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBL_FC?action=render
[20:20:13] <Simetrical>	solifugus, I believe it uses PHP's session system, in fact.
[20:20:21] <RoanKattouw>	Yup it does
[20:20:21] <Simetrical>	So probably in /tmp somewhere, or memcached if you're set up for that.
[20:20:28] <RoanKattouw>	So by default, your session info ends up in /tmp
[20:20:53] <solifugus>	RoanKattouw: really?  geez.. that's messed up because we are load-balanced across servers..
[20:21:00] <solifugus>	front-end nodes
[20:21:14] <RoanKattouw>	So use memcached
[20:21:28] <Simetrical>	Yeah, you have to use memcached in that case.
[20:21:34] <Simetrical>	More efficient anyway.
[20:21:36] <flyingparchment>	you can put sessions on nfs
[20:21:37] <solifugus>	RoanKattouw: "memcached" stores it in the database?
[20:21:50] <RoanKattouw>	No, memcached stores it in memory
[20:21:58] <solifugus>	RoanKattouw: then no difference.. same problem
[20:22:06] <Simetrical>	memcached is a program.
[20:22:09] <RoanKattouw>	No, it stores it in memory *in one place*
[20:22:09] <solifugus>	it has to be in shared space between front-end nodes
[20:22:14] <Simetrical>	memcached is shared.
[20:22:14] <RoanKattouw>	It is
[20:22:17] <Simetrical>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memcached
[20:22:18] <mib_3wp06m>	different question, same line of thought- does mw have any mobile-friendly options?
[20:22:32] <Orngjce223>	officially, en.wap.wikipedia.org
[20:22:40] <RoanKattouw>	Gotta have, we have m.wikipedia.org
[20:22:52] <solifugus>	thanks for the link.. i was getting confused here.
[20:22:58] <Orngjce223>	we don't have wp.org?  off to check...
[20:23:20] <Orngjce223>	evidently not
[20:25:13] <mib_3wp06m>	is there a channel for the mobile version?
[20:26:16] <AquaNet>	#wikipedia-mobile ?
[20:27:17] <mib_3wp06m>	invite only channel, autokicked
[20:27:23] *mib_3wp06m 	shrugs
[20:27:47] <solifugus>	ok.. memcached sounds like overkill for our wikis.. I will try to force mediawiki to use mysql for session data, instead.
[20:27:57] <solifugus>	(like I thought it was doing by default, anyway)
[20:28:06] <AquaNet>	Invite-only? Huh?
[20:28:18] <mib_3wp06m>	 /join #wikipedia-mobile
[20:28:46] <mib_3wp06m>	"mib_3wp06m was kicked by ChanServ (Invite only channel)"
[20:29:04] <Orngjce223>	#wikimedia-mobile, not #wikipedia-mobile
[20:29:25] <mib_3wp06m>	thanks
[20:29:49] <solifugus>	is there a built-in way to find out how many hits our mediawiki site gets?
[20:30:01] <RoanKattouw>	Nou
[20:30:03] <solifugus>	like a stats page somewhere or something?
[20:30:04] <RoanKattouw>	No
[20:30:08] <solifugus>	ok..
[20:30:12] <RoanKattouw>	[[Special:Statistics]] FWIW
[20:30:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450  +comment (10public)
[20:30:23] <AquaNet>	Some eyes on that bug would be good. ^
[20:31:26] <solifugus>	RoanKattouw_away: This didn't work:  http://wiki.wsu.edu/wsuwiki/Sepcial:statistics
[20:32:01] <Prodego>	AquaNet: doesn't work for me
[20:32:22] <AquaNet>	Yeah. I think either the issue is gone or there wasn't one to begin with.
[20:32:37] <mib_3wp06m>	"Amgine:	mib_3wp06m: it's already a possibility with the API. Join that channel [#mediawiki] and they can help."
[20:32:40] <AquaNet>	Could've been lag earlier, but it's pretty doubtful.
[20:32:43] <mib_3wp06m>	what does the api do?
[20:32:58] <AquaNet>	!api | mib_3wp06m 
[20:32:58] --mwbot--	mib_3wp06m: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[20:33:24] <OrngjceAway>	AquaNet: I can't reproduce it
[20:33:47] <AquaNet>	Yeah. All a bit dubious at this point.
[20:34:17] <mib_3wp06m>	someone suggested the "action: render" option
[20:35:17] <mib_3wp06m>	oh i see: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php?action=render <- uses the api
[20:35:20] <Amgine>	mib_3wp06m: are you writing an embedding widget for your preferred blogging environment?
[20:35:31] <mib_3wp06m>	i hope not
[20:35:40] <mib_3wp06m>	i'm not even sure it would be legal
[20:35:54] <Amgine>	Well, unless someone does that, we can't help you get what you want.
[20:36:06] <mib_3wp06m>	indeed. 
[20:36:36] <Splarka>	I am pretty sure ?action=render existed before the api
[20:36:41] <mib_3wp06m>	i'm just wrapping up what i've learned here and in the other channels, i was hoping to suggest it to someone that might make it an official feature (someday)
[20:36:56] <mib_3wp06m>	i thought ?action=render was part of the api :( 
[20:37:12] <mib_3wp06m>	someone mentioned the api, i've been trying to figure out what it is (from the links)
[20:37:25] <mib_3wp06m>	lots of suggestions, i'm exploring all of them right now
[20:37:26] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
[20:37:59] <mib_3wp06m>	cool
[20:38:18] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&revids=283300452
[20:39:04] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&oldid=283300452
[20:39:52] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&revids=283300452&rvdiffto=next
[20:40:28] <MorbusIff>	g'day. does DEFAULTSORT only work for real pages? I've got a number of Image's uploaded, in categories. They show up under the "Media" portion of the Category display, but the DEFAULTSORT doesn't seem to work, always alphabetizing "Image:The Incubus" instead of DEFAULTSORT:Incubus, The.
[20:40:31] <Nophiq>	Hi all
[20:41:15] <Nophiq>	I have a question about MediaWiki, could someone have a while for me?
[20:41:19] <Splarka>	MorbusIff: it should be properly sorting them under 'Incubus' in the gallery portion of the category page
[20:41:25] <Simetrical>	!ask | Nophiq 
[20:41:25] --mwbot--	Nophiq: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[20:42:11] <Nophiq>	Ok, MediaWiki 1.14.0 is the current version? and not the 1.6.12 one?
[20:42:18] <Splarka>	MorbusIff: media is always put into the gallery, unless the category is flagged with __NOGALLERY__ in which case the media is mixed with the general pages
[20:42:38] <MorbusIff>	Splarka: yeah, it doesn't seem to be doing that, and i've confirmed that my job length is 0.
[20:42:43] <MorbusIff>	Splarka: lemme show you.
[20:42:43] <flyingparchment>	1.6 is very old and should only be used with php4 (and no one should be using php4 anymore)
[20:42:46] <Duesentrieb>	Nophiq: 1.6.12 is a recent patch level of a very old version. it's only still supported because it's the last version working with phgp4
[20:43:18] *Duesentrieb 	pokes avar
[20:43:39] <Nophiq>	ok, thank you very much
[20:43:52] <MorbusIff>	Splarka: http://www.videounderbelly.com/wiki/Image:The_Incubus-1981-DVD-Elite-1.jpg vs. http://www.videounderbelly.com/wiki/Category:DVD_covers_for_1981
[20:43:58] <MorbusIff>	(these pages SFW; other pages NSFW)
[20:44:24] <avar>	Duesentrieb: eek!
[20:44:39] <Nophiq>	in this page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access I have to referer to Pre-1.5?
[20:45:09] *Splarka 	hmms
[20:45:29] <MorbusIff>	Splarka: yeah, that's what i siad. everything i've seen suggests it should work
[20:45:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450  (10oversight-wp)
[20:45:40] <Splarka>	looking
[20:46:48] <Splarka>	MorbusIff: works, but you aren't expecting what it does
[20:46:49] <Splarka>	http://www.videounderbelly.com/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmprop=ids|title|sortkey|timestamp&cmtitle=Category:DVD_covers_for_1981
[20:47:00] <Splarka>	title="Image:Strange Behavior-1981-DVD-Elite-1.jpg" sortkey="Image:Strange Behavior-1981-DVD-Elite-1.jpg"
[20:47:05] <Splarka>	title="Image:The Incubus-1981-DVD-Elite-1.jpg" sortkey="Incubus, The"
[20:47:11] <MorbusIff>	aaaah
[20:47:14] <Splarka>	all the others have 'Image' sortkey
[20:47:16] <MorbusIff>	lol.
[20:47:16] <MorbusIff>	yeah.
[20:47:17] <Splarka>	that starts at 'In'
[20:47:25] <MorbusIff>	and just happens to give the same result, yeah.
[20:47:38] <Splarka>	well, the sortkey does nothing, except sort alphabetically
[20:47:48] <Splarka>	and in regular pages, it shows you the first character as a header
[20:48:01] <Splarka>	s/in/for
[20:48:01] <MorbusIff>	yeah, Image:Incubus, The works good
[20:48:03] <Nophiq>	 in this page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access I have to referer to Pre-1.5?
[20:48:26] <MorbusIff>	Splarka: thanks, i'm good again.
[20:48:44] <Splarka>	k
[20:57:07] <RoanKattouw_away>	Nophiq: No. Obviously both 1.6 and 1.14 are post-1.5, not pre-1.5
[20:57:45] <Splarka>	not always obvious, .14 < .6, but the dot is not a decimal, so 6 < 14
[20:57:47] <Nophiq>	Thank you Roan
[20:57:48] <Splarka>	confusion ftl
[20:58:05] <AquaNet>	Is there a way to force a particular server to render a particular page?
[20:59:47] <kibble>	Simetrical, can you help with something? :-) http://p.defau.lt/?8jRuZFgXBgvZqSI_a5rWww
[20:59:57] <kibble>	Splarka volunteered you
[21:00:25] <Simetrical>	Heck if I know.
[21:00:31] <Splarka>	bah, I just indicated he might know the status of that feature
[21:00:40] <Splarka>	per https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6100
[21:00:48] <Simetrical>	Splarka would know more about the JS.
[21:00:58] <Simetrical>	The feature in the software hasn't seen much progress in the last forever.
[21:01:11] <Simetrical>	It needs involvement by someone who actually uses RTL languages on LTR wikis, which I don't.
[21:01:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	kibble: is there a ?ltr=1 param?
[21:01:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	or something like that
[21:02:01] <Splarka>	Mike &rtl=1 is a JS hack
[21:02:03] <Splarka>	if(document.URL.indexOf('rtl=1') != -1) importStylesheet('http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-rtl.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css');
[21:02:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	oh, I see :)
[21:02:20] <Mike_lifeguard>	well someone needs to make one for the opposite direction :D
[21:02:26] <Splarka>	the email in question is asking about supporting it and/or &uselang=ar|he etc natively
[21:02:42] <Splarka>	of which Simetrical was the last person that seemed to care enough to try it ^_^
[21:03:21] <Splarka>	Mike: I tried for a while, it is not... um... easy to 'undo' a general application of a stylesheet
[21:04:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow AbuseFilter to force the user to solve a captcha - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18110  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[21:04:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'm sure it's not :)
[21:04:30] <Splarka>	you can't just remove the <style> or <link> and expect it to work in all browsers, and going through each item in http://ar.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/monobook/rtl.css?207xx for example and reverse it is a bit insane
[21:04:47] <kibble>	Mike_lifeguard, you can make one in the opposite direction
[21:05:02] <kibble>	just take what's in the gadget, and completely make it all the opposite :-)
[21:05:04] <Splarka>	(and trying to maintain it, that is)
[21:05:32] <Splarka>	so a ltr->rtl really needs some server side love, like removing the link to rtl.css at least
[21:06:10] <Splarka>	Simetrical: that could be done at least, via &dir=ltr or &dir=rtl (overriding the automatic addition or non-addition of rtl.css), and that could be an experimental base point
[21:06:21] <Splarka>	(^adding as an unofficial test parameter)
[21:06:31] <Splarka>	as it is now, it is very hard to even test
[21:07:50] <svip>	I know Wikia is where all wikis start to clutter up, but why isn't there an alternative?
[21:07:56] <svip>	You can either go solo or join the dark side.
[21:07:59] <svip>	ooo!
[21:08:33] <svip>	Scary.
[21:08:38] <Splarka>	because they are the closest to WMF you can get, without going to hacky unreliable sites
[21:08:52] <eadthem>	when adding new user groups is everything set false by default?
[21:08:52] <svip>	Such as?
[21:09:01] <^demon>	Be a man, host your own :)
[21:09:10] <svip>	That's what I do, ^demon.
[21:09:12] <^demon>	eadthem: All permissions are false unless set true.
[21:09:16] <svip>	But those Wikia people keep coming back!
[21:09:20] <eadthem>	thanks
[21:09:39] <svip>	They say, "hey, great wiki you got here; want to get it cluttered with ads?"
[21:09:41] <Duesentrieb>	eadthem: well, for that group yes, but users have implicit groups, and permissions accumulate across them.
[21:10:07] <^demon>	svip: Whoo, ads :D
[21:10:12] <svip>	:D
[21:10:18] <eadthem>	so new groups are default to all off     default groups folow default settings
[21:10:23] <svip>	I mean, hey!  That's not :D stuff, ^demon.
[21:10:38] <svip>	:( I like my wiki like I like my coffee; ad free.
[21:10:39] <Duesentrieb>	svip: when i google for "mediawiki hosting", i get a bunch of results...
[21:10:51] <Duesentrieb>	ad free means you pay a bit for it
[21:10:56] <svip>	I know several webhostings offer it.
[21:11:01] <^demon>	eadthem: Well, the permissions for your new group are all false, but they already have anon, user, possibly email and autoconfirmed groups and the rights those have
[21:11:08] <svip>	I realise that, Duesentrieb, where you think all my money is going?  Food?!
[21:11:17] <eadthem>	right
[21:11:31] <eadthem>	what im trying to do is make a  confermed group with same rights as autoconfermed
[21:11:40] <Duesentrieb>	svip: well, what exactly are you looking for?
[21:11:55] <svip>	Nothing really.  I am just tired of seeing wiki after wiki getting picked up by Wikia.
[21:11:58] <eadthem>	so i can set someone to  confermed whom i trust  without them watting 14 days  and 50 posts(settings for my wiki)
[21:12:08] <svip>	freeciv.org used to be free.
[21:12:16] <Duesentrieb>	svip: lauch your own wiki farm and get paied :)
[21:12:27] <svip>	>:| Hey, this is a charity!
[21:12:36] <svip>	What does the WikiMedia Foundation run on?
[21:12:42] <svip>	I see no ads on Wikipedia.
[21:12:47] <eadthem>	that is unless someone alredy has a way to  flag someone autoconfermed without watting on the timer and posts
[21:13:03] <eadthem>	donations 
[21:13:16] <atglenn>	nonprofit, we get donations. but we have paid staff that work on fundraising. and that's what they do full-time
[21:13:18] <svip>	I know what WMF runs on.
[21:13:41] <svip>	You have no server admins?
[21:13:44] <atglenn>	we also have business deals and major donations
[21:13:46] <svip>	Who runs the site?
[21:13:54] <atglenn>	there are server admins but they do not work on fundraising. 
[21:14:03] <svip>	Or did you just turn on some Linux machines and everything worked?
[21:14:12] <atglenn>	the peple that work on fundraising are all full time and they get paid for it. 
[21:14:20] <Duesentrieb>	svip: by now, there are paied server admins and developers. but wmf ran several years with basically no payed staff at all. 
[21:14:29] <svip>	Hm.
[21:14:40] <atglenn>	there are many developers who don't get paid
[21:14:43] <svip>	You seem to be spelling "paid" in many ways.  I'm sorry, I got meta for a moment.
[21:14:49] <svip>	I don't get paid!
[21:15:11] <atglenn>	so you must not be working on our fundraising. 
[21:15:14] <atglenn>	;-)
[21:15:23] <svip>	True.
[21:15:24] <Splarka>	eadthem: so take the definitions you have for autoconfirmed...
[21:15:30] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['move'] = true;
[21:15:33] <svip>	I maintain the biggest Futurama wiki out there, atglenn.
[21:15:34] <Splarka>	and dupe them for another group....
[21:15:42] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['manualconfirmed']['move'] = true;
[21:16:17] <Splarka>	and then give someone the ability to add people to that group: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAddGroups
[21:16:32] <atglenn>	and you are ad free I take it? 
[21:16:34] <Splarka>	(and there is probably a sneeky php way to clone an array)
[21:18:29] <svip>	Of course, atglenn.
[21:18:40] <atglenn>	good!
[21:18:50] <svip>	We are also colourful.
[21:19:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) history.js blocks gecko browser with 100% CPU when rendering long history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17240  (10marcin.cieslak)
[21:19:28] <Raymond_>	!parserfunctions
[21:19:28] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[21:20:11] <svip>	Everyone uses ParserFunctions, what is the reason they are not part of trunk?
[21:21:13] <Duesentrieb>	the reason is that they don't have to be :)
[21:21:28] <Duesentrieb>	if i was kind, they wouldn#t be part of trunk, but part of the standard install bundle
[21:21:43] <Duesentrieb>	just something you enable or disable on the installer form
[21:21:46] <svip>	Now I didn't hear the answer. >:O Curse you, xchat!
[21:22:21] <Splarka>	svip http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090413.txt
[21:22:44] <Emachman>	svip: It's because Tim Starling (lead developer) says that it has caching issues, or something like that
[21:22:53] <Splarka>	it was merged into core at one point, per http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/List_of_extensions_to_be_merged_to_the_core 
[21:23:15] *Splarka 	thinks he just doesn't want implicit proliferation of his hated offspring
[21:24:27] <^demon>	That's a stupid list.
[21:24:36] <AquaNet>	You're a stupid list.
[21:25:06] <AquaNet>	By the way, got srv61 to generate two separate diffs for bug 18450. Both don't show anything abnormal.
[21:26:11] <Splarka>	AquaNet: diffed to the same other revision?
[21:26:29] <AquaNet>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giacomo_Marini&diff=prev&oldid=283300459&foo=%s
[21:26:39] <AquaNet>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giacomo_Marini&diff=prev&oldid=283300452&foo=%s
[21:26:41] <AquaNet>	Those two.
[21:27:01] <Splarka>	right, that uses the diff cache, try diffing to random integers
[21:27:11] <Splarka>	(warning: large diffs)
[21:27:18] <AquaNet>	page = myopener.open('http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giacomo_Marini&diff=prev&oldid=283300452&foo=%s' % random.randint(1,1000))
[21:27:33] <Splarka>	no
[21:27:46] <AquaNet>	Oh, I see what you mean.
[21:27:47] <Splarka>	page = myopener.open('http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giacomo_Marini&diff=%s&oldid=283300452' % random.randint(1,283300452))
[21:28:05] <Splarka>	heh
[21:29:20] <AquaNet>	Still not seeing anything abnormal.
[21:29:25] <^demon>	Please use a pastebin.
[21:29:34] <AquaNet>	Sorry, new here.
[21:29:50] <Splarka>	pastebin for 3 URLs?
[21:29:57] <AquaNet>	Think of the children.
[21:30:00] *Splarka 	pastebins ^demon
[21:30:12] <svip>	There is so much paste in ^demon 
[21:30:18] <AquaNet>	Anyway, my bet is that the users are logged in.
[21:30:19] <svip>	Damn his silly username, makes it hard to tab complete.
[21:30:25] <AquaNet>	Or they're making it up to pass the time.
[21:33:01] *^demon 	stabs everyone nearby
[21:33:06] <^demon>	With the ^, at that
[21:33:32] <Splarka>	your circumflex is circumcised
[21:42:12] <paveq>	hi
[21:42:30] <paveq>	I made a complete copy of running mediawiki installation, and its database on the different server
[21:42:46] <paveq>	however, somehow it started running very slow, pages taking like a minute to load
[21:42:57] <paveq>	this seems to be related to $wgUseDatabaseMessages
[21:43:08] <paveq>	yet no slow database queries going on
[21:43:19] <paveq>	and the systems are very similar
[21:43:28] <Emufarmers>	paveq: what version?
[21:43:45] <paveq>	disabling that property solves the problem, but it works on original installation
[21:44:05] <paveq>	I think 1.12
[21:44:09] <paveq>	not the latest for sure
[21:44:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Typos in AbuseFilter API docs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18451 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (matthew.britton)
[21:44:40] <Emufarmers>	Upgrade, then; there were some bugs that resulted in database locks that have been fixed
[21:44:50] <paveq>	ok
[21:48:34] <paveq>	actually, it is 1.13.4
[21:48:40] <paveq>	I'm going try upgrade though 
[21:50:35] <paveq>	do I need to run any upgrade scripts?
[21:50:39] <paveq>	I guess not, couldn't find any
[21:50:42] <Emufarmers>	uh
[21:50:49] <Emufarmers>	you might want to follow the upgrade instructions
[21:51:56] <AquaNet>	!upgrade | paveq 
[21:51:56] --mwbot--	paveq: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[21:52:01] <AquaNet>	Read.
[21:52:44] <CIA-15>	03demon * r49449 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ApiQueryAbuseFilters.php: (bug 18451) Typos in docs
[21:52:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Typos in AbuseFilter API docs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18451  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[21:56:08] <AquaNet>	Yay for typo-fixing. :-)
[21:56:23] <AquaNet>	I think I saw one in the docs for .. some extension. 
[21:57:25] <AquaNet>	    'description' => 'DataCenter Planing and Asset Tracking System',
[21:57:31] <AquaNet>	Should have two Ns.
[21:57:43] <AquaNet>	Unless planing is some sort of technical term I'm not familiar with.
[21:57:48] <^demon>	What extension is that?
[21:57:57] <Emufarmers>	It's when you cut wood into planks, isn't it?
[21:57:59] <AquaNet>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/DataCenter.php?revision=48889&view=markup
[21:58:05] <AquaNet>	There. ^
[21:59:08] <^demon>	Done.
[21:59:22] <CIA-15>	03demon * r49450 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/ (DataCenter.i18n.php DataCenter.php): Typo in English description msg.
[21:59:23] <paveq>	Emufarmers: thanks, it works now
[21:59:40] <Emufarmers>	paveq: glad I could help
[21:59:43] <AquaNet>	^demon: <3
[21:59:43] <paveq>	upgrading was easy as always :)
[22:00:05] *ashley 	wonders what happened to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/IRC_cloaks
[22:00:13] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Yeah, but I dont think servers stand up well to planing.
[22:00:18] <ashley>	would be cool to have mediawiki/developer cloaks <g>
[22:00:20] <^demon>	ahsley: I just thought about that last week.
[22:00:41] <Emufarmers>	^demon: depends on whether they're hardwood
[22:00:53] <ashley>	sounds like we oughta poke brion about those, then ;-)
[22:00:55] *Splarka 	wants mediawiki/enveloper/Splarka
[22:01:46] <^demon>	ashley: iirc, Brion was ok with them, we just needed a freenode junkie to give them out.
[22:02:09] <AquaNet>	Yes.
[22:02:14] <AquaNet>	There's a page on MW.org.
[22:02:17] <AquaNet>	You need to beat James.
[22:02:25] <ashley>	heh
[22:02:52] <atglenn>	ooohh
[22:02:58] <atglenn>	I wonder if I would trade in my wiktionary one
[22:02:59] <atglenn>	hmm
[22:03:14] <atglenn>	prolly not :-P
[22:03:14] <paveq>	in case you are intrested, I run a script to make weekly off-site backup of our wiki, simply just tarring up the directory and dumping the whole wiki-database
[22:03:16] <AquaNet>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/IRC_cloaks
[22:03:18] <^demon>	I think I'd trade in my wikipedia one since I don't edit there anymore really :p
[22:03:22] <Simetrical>	Mine is still wikipedia/.  :(
[22:03:25] <Simetrical>	^demon, me either!
[22:03:32] <atglenn>	Simetrical: my sympathies!
[22:03:43] <Emufarmers>	mediawiki cloaks are proven to retain their resale value better
[22:03:56] <paveq>	although there are some temporary data in the database, but copying that shouldn't cause any problems?
[22:04:09] <Emufarmers>	paveq: what do you mean?
[22:04:51] <^demon>	Simetrical: I noticed editing mediawiki.org doesn't cause migraines.
[22:04:57] <ashley>	and I sure would trade in my wikia cloak ;-) I don't even edit wikia nowadays, heh
[22:04:59] <Simetrical>	paveq, what files are you copying?
[22:05:03] <paveq>	I think querycache and objectcache tables are "temporary" data?
[22:05:08] <paveq>	everything
[22:05:46] <paveq>	my backup script only makes few changes to LocalSettings, like making the wiki read-only
[22:06:11] <paveq>	of course this is not meant to be a backup solution, but simply duplicate the wiki off-site
[22:06:20] <paveq>	in case original one goes down
[22:06:41] <Emufarmers>	$wgReadOnly is the setting that caused the db lock in older versions, by the way, if you were curious
[22:06:54] <paveq>	uuh, ok
[22:06:58] <paveq>	that must have been it
[22:07:31] <Emufarmers>	I don't think a lock is even necessary, though, if you're using InnoDB
[22:08:00] <paveq>	some tables seem to be innodb, some myisam
[22:09:29] <^demon>	The only myisam table should be the searchindex.
[22:10:01] <paveq>	this is about four years old installation of mediawiki, upgraded rarely
[22:10:17] <paveq>	I dunno if all update.php scripts have been run in every upgrade :/
[22:10:31] <paveq>	its seems to work quite well though, haven't run into any issues
[22:10:34] <AquaNet>	seanw: I asked James as well, but do you know what's needed to get http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/IRC_cloaks active?
[22:11:05] <paveq>	maybe I should dump the wiki in XML-format sometime, and start from scratch
[22:11:18] <paveq>	would clean up old user accounts too
[22:12:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow AbuseFilter to force the user to solve a captcha - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18110  (10matthew.britton)
[22:14:28] <Emufarmers>	paveq: you can convert tables to InnoDB
[22:15:38] <Simetrical>	searchindex is the only MyISAM table normally, and that can be rebuilt (so you could skip it for the backup).
[22:15:47] *Simetrical 	<3 mysqldump --single-transaction
[22:17:08] <AquaNet>	I suppose the procedure for renaming a core functionality is a mailing list post?
[22:17:18] <Simetrical>	Which core functionality, to what?
[22:17:21] <AquaNet>	I want to rename RevisionDelete to DataSuppress or something.
[22:17:27] <paveq>	apparently in my wikidb half the tables are myisam
[22:17:43] <AquaNet>	'cause it acts on more than revisions and it's not deleting anything.
[22:17:59] <AquaNet>	I'd also like to rename the groups to suppressors (admin-level) and supersuppressors (oversight-level).
[22:18:00] <paveq>	how would I convert them
[22:18:00] <Emufarmers>	It's deleting them in the sense that MediaWiki deletes anything :D
[22:18:49] <paveq>	and the tables seem to be latin1 too
[22:19:02] <Simetrical>	paveq, ALTER TABLE table_name ENGINE=InnoDB;
[22:19:03] <Splarka>	the oversight bits are already called 'suppress[thingy]'
[22:19:13] <AquaNet>	Right.
[22:19:29] <AquaNet>	So maybe just call oversighters suppressors and be done with it.
[22:19:35] <paveq>	although wiki itself seems to output utf-8
[22:19:38] <Splarka>	and the delete bits act the same way as anything else in mediawiki referencing [delete], they are only hidden from users without the 'delete' and 'undelete' rights
[22:19:58] <Splarka>	that'd be bad too, it deprecates oversight but is completely different from it in operation
[22:20:11] <AquaNet>	Not completely.
[22:20:19] <Splarka>	it deletes and suppresses, it doesn't oversight
[22:20:24] <AquaNet>	The ends are the same, the means aren't.
[22:20:31] *^demon 	is reminded of wanting to change sysop -> admin
[22:20:31] <AquaNet>	Broadly speaking.
[22:20:42] <Splarka>	"completely different from it in operation" != "completely different from it in result"
[22:20:57] <AquaNet>	^demon: Was that re-reverted?
[22:21:36] <^demon>	AquaNet: I don't remember one way or the other, to be honest.
[22:22:02] <Splarka>	names are just names and take a long time to change
[22:22:05] <paveq>	Simetrical: can I somehow do that to every myisam table in the db at once?
[22:22:20] <AquaNet>	Looks like the remaining relic is Special:ListUsers/sysop
[22:22:20] <Splarka>	look how long it took to rename 'image' to 'file'
[22:22:23] <paveq>	ALTER TABLE * didn't work
[22:22:24] <^demon>	Splarka: Exactly. And there's something to be said for keeping an original name, ideal or not.
[22:22:29] <AquaNet>	Which should probably stay that way.
[22:22:35] <Emufarmers>	Splaka would know
[22:22:45] <Simetrical>	paveq, when I had to do that, I wrote a few lines of shell commands.
[22:22:46] <Splarka>	'delete' /should/ be globally renamed to 'archive', or 'hide' or 'obfuscate'
[22:23:00] <Simetrical>	I don't know of any easier way to do it.
[22:23:07] <Splarka>	Emu: know what?
[22:23:21] <Emufarmers>	that names are hard to change
[22:23:29] *Splarka 	Splaka's on your face
[22:23:29] <Emufarmers>	and then I called you Splaka
[22:23:36] <Splarka>	heh
[22:23:47] <Splarka>	I banned a hiphop community who were spamming Uncyclopedia once
[22:24:00] <Splarka>	a few months later 'Splaka' started showing up in google hits in some lyrics
[22:24:06] <Splarka>	coincidence?
[22:24:16] <^demon>	Splarka: No. Delete is fine.
[22:24:26] <Splarka>	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=splaka-splaka
[22:26:15] <Splarka>	"sea men", George W Bush had the Navy Splaka-Splaka all over the middle east
[22:29:00] <^demon>	Splarka, stop.
[22:29:38] <Splarka>	you don't like the navy?
[22:30:12] <^demon>	....just stop with the splaka joke.
[22:30:48] <Emufarmers>	^demon: to be fair, the interface text for the feature does say "(show/hide)"
[22:30:55] <Emufarmers>	next to revisions
[22:31:07] <Splarka>	1. it isn't a joke, I did mistype my name registering on Uncyclopedia... 2. as far as I can tell, 'splaka' was unused for that meaning until well after I was active on Uncyc
[22:31:10] <Emufarmers>	but, of course, on Special:RevisionDelete it says "Delete/undelete revisions"
[22:31:23] <^demon>	Emufarmers: I'll give you that.
[22:32:53] <Splarka>	3. renaming stuff is usually slightly more silly than just leaving it as is, especially factoring in all the languages it has to be translated to, some of which may have the proper naming already, and may be forced to find an alias to it just to migrate to the post-translation era
[22:33:04] <Splarka>	er post-rename
[22:34:07] <Emufarmers>	Well, there goes my proposal for renaming MediaWiki to something that isn't confusing to people :(
[22:34:34] <Splarka>	should rename it to CitationNeeded
[22:34:55] <Splarka>	http://citationneeded.org/
[22:36:57] <paveq>	btw
[22:37:15] <paveq>	somehow class wikitable stopped working at some point
[22:37:24] <paveq>	it is not in monobook/main.css anymore
[22:37:32] <paveq>	I need to manually add it every time
[22:37:54] <Simetrical>	It never was in monobook/main.css until 1.15 or so.
[22:37:55] <paveq>	was it really removed
[22:39:33] <paveq>	erm, maybe wikitable
[22:39:46] <paveq>	I don't know, currently I'm adding some css for both there
[22:40:31] <AquaNet>	Don't modify the actual files unless you want things to break on upgrade...
[22:40:48] <paveq>	well grepping wikitable or prettytable shows only my own edits
[22:41:07] <paveq>	but I think either one of them used to be there
[22:41:35] <Splarka>	paveq: do you use monobook or a custom/alternate/modified skin?
[22:41:52] <paveq>	monobook
[22:42:21] <paveq>	could be that I copied the table css from somewhere off the net, and it was never originally there :/
[22:42:22] <Splarka>	a common symptom of upgrading to 1.14, is site CSS, Common.css and Skinname.css, doesn't show up for people who manually edited MonoBook.php
[22:42:51] <paveq>	I haven't edited MonoBook.php, only main.css
[22:42:54] <Splarka>	as the call to those CSS files was moved to some function in that file, from Skin.php and/or Skinname.php
[22:42:55] <Splarka>	ahh k
[22:43:23] <Splarka>	best to add wikitable/prettytable to MediaWiki:Common.css
[22:43:49] <paveq>	ok
[22:43:49] <Simetrical>	Don't edit main.css, edit the MediaWiki:*.css pages on-wiki.
[22:43:55] <Simetrical>	That way it will persist on upgrade.
[22:44:05] *Splarka 	nods
[22:44:05] <Splarka>	!css
[22:44:05] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[22:44:06] <Simetrical>	I think wikitable is in 1.15, though.
[22:44:48] <paveq>	cool
[22:45:07] <Splarka>	some people might benefit from editing main.css, shared.css, and other /skin files, like people running large farms, who have the manpower and motivation to manually merge upgrades
[22:45:32] <Splarka>	but even then, they should limit it to appending, makes life easier X_X
[22:48:11] <paveq>	yes, apparently wikitable/prettytable is in Common.css even in wikipedia
[22:48:24] <paveq>	somehow I recall it used to be in the code
[22:48:29] <Simetrical>	I don't think so.
[22:49:39] <paveq>	ok
[22:49:46] <Splarka>	some extensions refer to it
[22:51:41] <paveq>	is mediawiki database utf-8 by default?
[22:51:50] <paveq>	my database seems to be latin1
[22:52:12] <paveq>	although it doesn't cause any problems, but would be cool to make it utf-8
[22:52:26] <paveq>	perhaps for more readable mysqldump :P
[23:01:21] <svip>	It would be nice if MediaWiki had variables. ;-;
[23:02:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450  +comment (10sydney.poore)
[23:02:05] <svip>	e.g. {{{foo=bar}}}, then using {{{foo}}} would return "bar".
[23:02:35] <svip>	But also, {{#ifeq:{{{foo}}}|bar|{{{foo=bar2}}}|{{{foo=bar}}}}}
[23:04:00] <AquaNet>	What in the hell is that bug.
[23:04:23] <AquaNet>	Son of a bitch!
[23:04:25] <AquaNet>	Got it.
[23:04:59] <AquaNet>	Same server as reported earlier.
[23:05:01] <Simetrical>	Heh: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/13/0120226
[23:05:11] <Emufarmers>	Old news is old
[23:06:10] <Emufarmers>	It's funny to see people calling posting on an open wiki "stealing"
[23:06:16] <Splarka>	svip: subtemplating and supertemplating
[23:06:49] <AquaNet>	I think this is definitely srv61.
[23:07:00] <p858snake>	abandoned.... i know several on the mailing lists that were used and were not abandoned
[23:07:10] <svip>	Hm, Splarka?
[23:07:12] <svip>	Do explain.
[23:07:19] <svip>	I am intrigued.
[23:07:28] <Splarka>	svip: call {{bar|variable}} and then {{{1}}} is that variable wherever you need it
[23:07:36] <Splarka>	is the general solution
[23:07:48] <svip>	But what if I want to keep the ability to change it?
[23:08:24] <Splarka>	change it in-code? you don't want mediawiki to support a template-based programming language, do you?
[23:08:32] <Splarka>	unless you're one of /those/ types
[23:08:35] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7865
[23:08:41] <svip>	I get your point.
[23:08:57] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455
[23:09:03] <svip>	:[ I was just hoping there would be an easy way to get odd/even working in table rows.
[23:09:15] <Splarka>	javascript
[23:09:30] <svip>	Cheat... but I suppose it'll do.
[23:09:37] <AquaNet>	Goddamn it.
[23:09:40] <Splarka>	I think there is even support for it already
[23:09:46] <AquaNet>	srv200 is displaying the same behavior.
[23:10:20] <Splarka>	AquaNet: pastebins of returned data and date/times, or static URLs in the bug, would help
[23:10:21] *Mike_lifeguard 	huggles his comment on that bug :D
[23:10:45] <Splarka>	svip: common/wikibits.js function ts_alternate
[23:10:59] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49451 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (11 files in 7 dirs): 
[23:10:59] <CIA-15>	some fixes (missing date autoloader classes)
[23:10:59] <CIA-15>	root script loader adjustments for pushing script loader to core
[23:11:10] <AquaNet>	Hmmm.
[23:11:14] <AquaNet>	It's consistent-ish...
[23:16:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450  (10public)
[23:17:05] <AquaNet>	Splarka: I'm now suspecting diff cache.
[23:17:05] <Splarka>	mmm, the -ish qualifier, or dequalifier, favorite of all tech support suffixen
[23:17:31] <AquaNet>	If several people loaded the bad diffs and they got stuck, it would explain why it's available on certain servers and not others.
[23:17:52] <Splarka>	possibly
[23:18:02] <AquaNet>	And it would explain why MediaWiki consistently outputs the correct behavior when diff cache is bypassed using random URLs...
[23:18:05] <Splarka>	diff cache key enwiki:diff:version:1.11a:oldid:283300452:newid:283300459
[23:18:18] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:18:48] <AquaNet>	<!-- diff cache key enwiki:diff:version:1.11a:oldid:270839041:newid:283300452 -->
[23:19:02] <Splarka>	well, that's from the other direction
[23:19:14] <Splarka>	probably wasn't diffed before the suppression
[23:19:33] <Splarka>	random URLs shouldn't affect the diff cache, I don't think? I don't know either, but that seems inefficient if it did
[23:22:02] <Splarka>	but it seems likely oversight doesn't correctly invalidate the diff caches there...
[23:25:11] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:25:26] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&revids=283300452&rvdiffto=283300459   and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&revids=283300459&rvdiffto=283300452 both correctly fail:  <revisions>Couldn't diff to r283300452: content is hidden</revisions>
[23:25:40] <Splarka>	so it seems the api checks the permission before the diff cache?
[23:26:21] <svip>	Ah, thanks, Splarka, with a few modifications to wikibits, I made my infoboxes alternating even with headers and ignored sections.
[23:26:56] <Splarka>	eep, don't mod wikibits.js, edit Common.js on-wiki
[23:27:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Usernames with initial-lowercase letters need to be cleaned up across Wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5230  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[23:27:25] <svip>	Eep, Splarka?  I needed to change ts_alternate! >:|
[23:27:29] <fanno>	zocky: got it working =)
[23:27:30] <svip>	But I guess you are right.
[23:27:38] <svip>	I might as well re-declare it.
[23:29:37] <AquaNet>	<Splarka> but it seems likely oversight doesn't correctly invalidate the diff caches there...
[23:29:42] <AquaNet>	Oversight wasn't used.
[23:29:52] <Splarka>	*sigh*
[23:30:14] <Splarka>	lowercase
[23:30:36] <Splarka>	as in the action of oversight, which is realized via suppressrevision
[23:30:49] <AquaNet>	You hurt me sometimes.
[23:30:54] <Splarka>	STFU noob
[23:31:08] <Splarka>	(or stop trying to always be the noob via renicking)
[23:31:19] <AquaNet>	I was legitimately trying to hide at some point.
[23:31:31] <Marybelle>	Guess that gig's up.
[23:31:32] <Splarka>	svip: so change it in Common.js!
[23:31:40] <svip>	All right, all right, Splarka.
[23:31:44] <svip>	Sheesh, people these days.
[23:31:46] <Splarka>	doesn't help when you're always the odd nick in #mediawiki-scripts
[23:32:00] <Splarka>	svip: we don't support editing core files, it makes upgrading annoying
[23:32:17] <Marybelle>	Well, I /parted all channels for a while.
[23:32:20] <Marybelle>	Just floated.
[23:32:39] <Splarka>	svip: why do you need to redefine it anyway?
[23:32:51] <svip>	Cause I have created a reset and ignore method.
[23:33:00] <Splarka>	ahh
[23:35:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Install DynamicPageList on Dutch Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6163  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[23:45:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoreview without flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17243  (10marcin.cieslak)
[23:53:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) database syntax error on Special:PopularPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18452 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jburos)