[00:07:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SecurePoll should indicate that cookies need to be enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18453 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: BoardVote; (rockmfr)
[00:24:38] <jlhenry>	Hello
[00:24:55] <jlhenry>	How can I change MediaWiki:Noimage-linktext link?
[00:25:06] <Marybelle>	Edit the page on your wiki?
[00:25:10] <jlhenry>	It contain: No file by this name exists, but you can upload one. 
[00:25:20] <jlhenry>	but I'd like to change the link
[00:25:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) database syntax error on Special:PopularPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18452  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:25:35] <jlhenry>	Marybelle, not working
[00:25:36] <jlhenry>	http://fr.ekopedia.org/MediaWiki:Noimage-linktext
[00:25:46] <jlhenry>	this page as text, no link
[00:26:07] <Marybelle>	!defaultsettings
[00:26:07] --mwbot--	For the current version of DefaultSettings.php, see: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup>.
[00:26:40] <Marybelle>	Set $wgUploadPath in LocalSettings.php ?
[00:29:19] <jlhenry>	Marybelle, unfortunately not working.
[00:29:27] <jlhenry>	tried: $wgUploadPath = "http://base.ekopedia.org/index.php?title=Accueil&uselang=fr";
[00:29:43] <CIA-15>	03demon * r49452 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: (bug 18442) DefaultSettings docs. $wgLogRestrictions fixed. Patch by jidanni.
[00:29:51] <jlhenry>	but I use shareupload. It explain may be why it is not working.
[00:30:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) DefaultSettings.php $wgLogRestrictions doc improvements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18442  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:30:16] <jlhenry>	I have this: $wgSharedUploadPath = "http://base.ekopedia.org/images";
[00:30:24] <jlhenry>	but apparently it's not suffisant.
[00:33:52] <jlhenry>	Marybelle, any idea? Here is my shared upload conf.: http://rafb.net/p/muZP3215.html
[00:34:47] <^demon>	Don't use the $wgSharedUpload etc settings.
[00:34:52] <^demon>	See $wgForeignFileRepos
[00:34:59] <Splarka>	$title = SpecialPage::getTitleFor( 'Upload' );
[00:35:00] <Splarka>	$link = $sk->makeKnownLinkObj($title, wfMsgHtml('noimage-linktext'),'wpDestFile=' . urlencode( $this->displayImg->getName() ) );
[00:35:12] <Splarka>	looks a bit hardcoded there
[00:35:22] <^demon>	Splarka: Howso?
[00:35:43] <Splarka>	I mean, for adding something like &uselang=fr
[00:36:03] <^demon>	getTitleFor() gets the localized title.
[00:36:19] <^demon>	Which may or may not respect uselang :D
[00:36:23] <^demon>	Who knows.
[00:36:39] <Splarka>	....
[00:36:43] *Splarka 	stabs demon with his own caret
[00:41:49] <jlhenry>	^demon, thanks! looks more complex!... :( I'm going to try it.
[00:54:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rebuildrecentchanges.inc ignores $wgLogRestrictions, adding private logs to RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18441  (10jidanni)
[01:03:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoreview without flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17243  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[01:11:24] <jlhenry>	Hello
[01:11:40] <jlhenry>	How can I find what to use for : "hashLevels"?
[01:12:05] <jlhenry>	trying to configure: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos#Using_files_from_a_database_that_you_can_access_:_ForeignDBRepo
[01:12:17] <jlhenry>	but it's not really working well
[01:12:22] <werdna>	usually it's 2
[01:14:12] <jlhenry>	werdna, well done! it's now working! Thanks :)
[01:16:52] <FT2>	Quick question:   what code would one use to create an anchor in a wiki page?
[01:17:15] <FT2>	<a id="title"></a> is sanitized and non-usable
[01:17:22] <FT2>	as best I can tell
[01:17:35] <werdna>	you can just use <span id=""/>
[01:17:38] <Marybelle>	<span class="foo"></span>
[01:17:40] <FT2>	I've tried
[01:17:43] <FT2>	this is an odd request
[01:17:46] <werdna>	id=, not class=
[01:17:57] <FT2>	basically, I want to create an anchor that matches a TOC entry
[01:18:08] <FT2>	the problem's this:
[01:18:14] <werdna>	why?
[01:18:33] <werdna>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Werdna/Archive_1#63361939272 -- example
[01:18:34] <FT2>	the section header is sometimes collapsed. yes I know thats messy, but still :) Thats how it is.
[01:18:57] <FT2>	When its collapsed, the usual <a> tag that is part of the rendered text, is invisible and hence TOC doesnt jump there
[01:18:59] <FT2>	however
[01:19:22] <FT2>	if there was a manually inserted <a> anchor before the collapse box, then either way it would work
[01:19:32] <FT2>	either that'd be the only anchor, or else, the first
[01:19:53] <FT2>	I thought <span...> would do that but apparently not
[01:19:58] <FT2>	and yes I know this is horrible and inelegant :)
[01:19:59] <Simetrical>	I contemplated making <a>s usable recently.
[01:20:04] <Simetrical>	I don't see why we shouldn't.
[01:20:09] <Simetrical>	I have better things to do ATM, though.
[01:20:33] <FT2>	is there a workaround?
[01:20:53] <FT2>	to manually include an anchor that a TOC entry would jump to?
[01:21:14] <Simetrical>	Well, you could just use <span id=""> still.  What's wrong with that?
[01:21:19] <FT2>	it doesnt work
[01:21:22] <FT2>	and I dont know why
[01:21:55] <FT2>	unless the <span>..</span> needs some content, and <a>..</a> doesnt
[01:26:52] <CIA-15>	03demon * r49453 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/rebuildrecentchanges.inc: Typofix. Base -> Basic
[01:27:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) rebuildrecentchanges.inc ignores $wgLogRestrictions, adding private logs to RC - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18441  major->normal; highest->normal; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[01:38:38] <FT2>	if there is a <span> anchor THEN an <a> anchor, the <span> anchor wont work
[01:41:00] <jlhenry>	Hi
[01:41:35] <jlhenry>	My thumbnails are not generated (using shared upload). Here is my shared upload conf: http://rafb.net/p/t1XVfO27.html any idea?
[01:42:19] <jlhenry>	thumb were working using wgUseSharedUploads but not with wgForeignFileRepos
[01:43:37] <jlhenry>	I should say new thumb generation. Because existing thumb are working perfectly
[01:44:06] <jlhenry>	this page is an example: http://fr.ekopedia.org/Faire_du_feu where 1 thumb is ok and the other not.
[01:44:15] <jlhenry>	any idea?
[02:04:29] <Splarka>	FT2: wfm
[02:05:10] <Splarka>	FT2: http://p.defau.lt/?Pc0P3IU8eGQYBa5uotP9yw
[02:05:29] <Splarka>	in the source it goes to: <span id="foo"/></span>
[02:05:35] <Splarka>	instead of <a name="foo" id="foo"></a>
[02:05:57] <Splarka>	works with <span id="foo"/> (sanitized to <span id="foo"/></span>) too
[02:06:09] <werdna>	FT2: remember that we sanitise IDs
[02:06:11] <OverlordQ>	jlhenry: turn transformVia404 to false?
[02:06:27] <werdna>	so id="Foo & Bar" gets trned into "Foo .26 Bar" or something
[02:06:44] <Splarka>	heh
[02:06:46] <Splarka>	you escape them
[02:06:54] <Splarka>	you don't sanitize them...
[02:07:14] <Splarka>	that would involve removing all duplicates and using strict W3 guidelines
[02:07:38] <p858snake>	duplicates are changed to <whatever>_2
[02:07:42] <jlhenry>	OverlordQ, YES! You got it! Thanks :D
[02:07:44] <werdna>	Terminology colonoscopy
[02:07:47] <Splarka>	(of which there is great debate)
[02:07:59] <Splarka>	p858snake: in TOC/headers yes, but not elsewhere
[02:08:17] <Splarka>	it is a validator error to have duplicate IDs but can be done pretty easily in mediawiki
[02:08:25] <Splarka>	<span id="foo"/><span id="foo"/>
[02:08:40] <Splarka>	and in the UI in some places, too
[02:08:46] <Splarka>	(the sidebar might have been fixed though)
[02:10:35] *Splarka 	vaguely remembers a recently active bug mentioning 5 different ways to create id=""s
[02:10:57] <Splarka>	also: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9530
[02:11:28] <Splarka>	ID's can't start with numbers, technically
[02:11:33] <Splarka>	(blah blah)
[02:12:38] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) trim leading/trailing spaces from IP inputbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17823  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[02:14:20] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r49454 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/patch-log_search.sql: Added proposed log_search table to deal with revisiondelete log extracts and possibly other issues
[02:15:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) trim leading/trailing spaces from IP inputbox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17823  +comment (10agarrett)
[02:15:14] <Emufarmers>	Splarka: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bitfields_for_rev_deleted&curid=5319&diff=249399&oldid=221165 I demand a sarcastic comment.
[02:25:34] <FT2>	Splarka, werdna - saw that, thanks. It seems the issue regarding anchors is:
[02:26:27] <FT2>	a page can tolerate multiple <a> anchors with the same name. But multiple <span> anchors with the same name, or a <span> followed by a <a> later, with the same name, no.
[02:26:39] <FT2>	ie:
[02:27:01] <FT2>	<span id="foo"></span> blah blah blah newline newline <a id="foo"></a>
[02:27:04] <FT2>	breaks
[02:27:06] <FT2>	where
[02:27:10] <FT2>	<a id="foo"></span> blah blah blah newline newline <a id="foo"></a>
[02:27:11] <FT2>	works
[02:36:16] <Splarka>	FT2: WFM
[02:36:28] <Splarka>	probably your browser
[02:36:38] <Splarka>	check the page source, is the span there?
[02:36:54] <Splarka>	Emufarmers: TLDNC
[02:37:53] <Emufarmers>	:(
[02:40:46] <Splarka>	FT2: what browser?
[02:41:02] <FT2>	good point.. will try in another
[02:41:15] <FT2>	Its the kind of fringy thing a browser might trip up on
[02:49:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) database syntax error on Special:PopularPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18452  (10jburos)
[02:49:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) If intermediate revisions are not shown on diffs (e.g. due to .mw-fr-reviewlink), show list of intermediate users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18454 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:52:34] <jlhenry>	I still have an error since my move from wgUseSharedUploads to wgForeignFileRepos
[02:52:59] <jlhenry>	Svg generation is not working
[02:53:05] <jlhenry>	My conf: http://rafb.net/p/t1XVfO27.html 
[02:53:20] <jlhenry>	http://fr.ekopedia.org/Fichier:Start_hand.svg&uselang=en
[02:53:31] <jlhenry>	Error message: "Error creating thumbnail: Unable to create destination directory"
[02:54:01] <jlhenry>	And apache error: PHP Warning:  mkdir() [<a href='function.mkdir'>function.mkdir</a>]: Permission denied in /var/www/fr.ekopedia.org/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1943
[02:54:11] <jlhenry>	Any idea?
[02:54:27] <jlhenry>	In every other files, it is working!
[02:54:58] <jlhenry>	 /files/file type (png, jpg...)/
[02:55:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add "diff to last sighted version" to recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16489  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[02:57:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) database syntax error on Special:PopularPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18452  +comment (10jburos)
[03:25:25] <izua>	in the Special:ListGroupRights page, for the autoconfirmed users, there's a right: "Edit semi-protected pages (autoconfirmed)". i am working for a private wiki (read, register but no write).
[03:25:53] <izua>	i have removed the editprotected and autoconfirmed rights for the autoconfirmed users, however, this right doesn't go away.
[03:26:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	!lockdown
[03:26:17] --mwbot--	Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[03:26:34] <Mike_lifeguard>	izua: I think you want to follow the instructions on the second link provided there
[03:26:46] <izua>	i have already prevented access to it.
[03:26:54] <izua>	i just want the autoconfirmed users == regular users
[03:27:12] <izua>	and i don't know the name of the right i mentioned above.
[03:32:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RevDeleted links not available at times when they should be or may be urgently needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18455 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (FT2.wiki)
[03:34:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevDeleted links not available at times when they should be or may be urgently needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18455  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[03:35:00] <Splarka>	izua: it isn't a right
[03:35:03] <Splarka>	it is a protection level
[03:35:07] <Splarka>	sorta
[03:37:30] <Splarka>	izua: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictionLevels
[03:39:25] <Splarka>	set it to array( '', 'sysop' ) and then that ability will be meaningless, not sure if it will disappear from listgrouprights though
[03:44:39] <izua>	how come editing protected pages is a right, but editing semiprotected pages is a protection level?
[03:45:29] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['protect']
[03:45:46] <Splarka>	that gives access to add/remove protections
[03:46:11] <Splarka>	'editprotected' is a special case that you'll notice isn't even assigned
[03:48:03] <Splarka>	izua: how it works is like this, sort of... protection levels lets you assign levels of protection to groups, of which only two are in the default, sysop and autoconfirmed
[03:48:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable the AbuseFilter on the Alemannic Wikipedia [alswiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18415  +comment (10agarrett)
[03:49:34] *Splarka 	glares at the hard coded 'sysop' stuff
[04:29:27] <jlhenry>	I have my Apache error log file full of this "/usr/bin/diff3: No newline at end of file"
[04:29:45] <jlhenry>	Sometimes also I have "/usr/bin/diff3: standard output: Broken pipe"
[04:32:41] <jlhenry>	I have about 200 an hour!!...
[04:32:51] <jlhenry>	Any idea why I got that?
[04:33:25] <izua>	at a newline at the end of diff3?
[04:35:33] <jlhenry>	izua, I do not understand you. What do you mean?
[04:38:33] <izua>	check the file /usr/bin/diff3
[04:48:43] <jlhenry>	izua, /usr/bin/diff3 is working properly 
[04:50:19] <izua>	then it's probably the line that launches diff
[04:52:43] <flyingparchment>	no, the problem is with the input
[04:52:53] <flyingparchment>	it means there's no newline at the end of the input file
[04:53:42] <jlhenry>	izua, since we have started our talk it has appened about 35 new lines "/usr/bin/diff3: No newline at end of file" and 1 like this "/usr/bin/diff3: standard output: Broken pipe"
[04:54:05] <jlhenry>	flyingparchment, do you have any explantion?
[04:54:10] <jlhenry>	is it normal?
[04:54:30] <izua>	yeah, that's more likely ._.
[04:54:34] <jlhenry>	when I google it, I feel quite alone...
[04:55:08] <jlhenry>	ho, I just add also: "/usr/bin/diff3: write failed"
[04:55:08] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r49455 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/patch-log_search.sql: Tweak r49454: remove duplication
[04:55:30] <Splarka>	isn't it always the way... "When you bluescreen, the world bluescreens with you... when you crash linux, you crash linux alone"
[05:02:04] <jlhenry>	I think I got more.
[05:02:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Closing Quality Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18456 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mattbisanz)
[05:02:43] <jlhenry>	When I do this request, it generates two lines
[05:02:46] <jlhenry>	http://fr.ekopedia.org/index.php?title=Plante_antipollution&action=edit&undo=44625
[05:15:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Closing Quality Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18456   +shell (10p858snake)
[05:26:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser Cache's {{SERVER}} becomes "localhost" with maintenance scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18274  (10jidanni)
[05:35:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) array of boring event types to exclude from recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18364  (10jidanni)
[05:43:51] <Splarka>	that's weird... I have http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges loaded... with "Show new changes starting from 21:41, 13 April 2009" (time reference)
[05:44:18] <Splarka>	and the last edit is at  21:37
[05:44:30] <Splarka>	but if I go to a different url, like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?limit=49, I see an edit at 21:40
[05:45:37] <Splarka>	&from=20090414054104   butt <rc type="edit" ns="103" title="Extension talk:Chat" user="146.115.41.143" anon="" timestamp="2009-04-14T05:40:51Z" />
[05:45:41] <root|work>	Splarka: I'd say this edit just happened to be done in the time between you loaded the two pages
[05:45:46] <Splarka>	nope
[05:45:50] <Splarka>	it happened before I loaded the page
[05:46:02] <root|work>	I see the edit on both pages
[05:46:12] <Splarka>	2009-04-14T05:40:51Z is before 20090414054104
[05:46:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) all-logs vs. all-public-logs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18457 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[05:46:43] <root|work>	cache?
[05:47:07] <Splarka>	nope, it wouldn't give me an advanced timestamp
[05:47:10] <Splarka>	lag maybe
[05:47:39] <Splarka>	reloading it (in another tab) shows me the edit and of course a different &from link
[05:49:55] <Splarka>	the thing is, if I had clicked that &from link, without having noticed the IP edit via other means, I would not have seen it
[05:50:11] <Splarka>	which is somewhat undesirable behavior for recent changes to display
[05:50:52] <Splarka>	hmm
[05:51:52] *Splarka 	just wonders how an edit, with a given timestamp, can not exist in a given recent changes display showing a later timestamp
[05:55:53] <Shailu>	 AMD LANUNCHED NEW 3D MEDIA BROWSER http://techbuddha.blog.co.in/2009/04/13/amd-launched-new-3d-media-browser/
[06:07:12] <Splarka>	is amd hiring spammers now? does anybody know? anybody got any... intel on them?
[06:07:38] <werdna>	stab
[06:07:40] <Marybelle>	:-(
[06:34:59] <werdna>	Any i18n people around?
[06:35:51] <Duesentrieb>	hey werdna! will you be going to wikimania?
[06:36:09] <FireJackey>	how to transclude main namespace with {{xxx} not {{:xxx}}?
[06:36:13] <werdna>	Duesentrieb: yes
[06:36:17] <werdna>	:)
[06:36:19] <Duesentrieb>	FireJackey: you can't.
[06:36:34] <werdna>	I need advice on changing some messages
[06:36:43] <FireJackey>	werdna: zh
[06:36:58] <werdna>	a lot of message used to be fieldset legends, and are being converted into input labels
[06:37:05] <werdna>	which means they need trailing colons.
[06:37:07] <werdna>	(in most cases)
[06:37:23] <werdna>	Should I sed in some commas, use an entirely new message, ...?
[06:37:24] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: cool! I want to set up a toolserver panel, and i want you to be part of it :)
[06:37:30] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: colons... ugh.
[06:37:35] <werdna>	Duesentrieb: yay :)
[06:38:01] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: send me a "short bio" (two or three lines) please so i can set that up :)
[06:38:02] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:inputbox-label-colon-delimiter
[06:38:14] <werdna>	Duesentrieb: to which address?
[06:38:16] *werdna 	stabs Splarka 
[06:38:17] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: as to trailing colons... perhaps we want a message just for the colon?
[06:38:21] *Splarka 	bleeds on your colon
[06:38:27] <werdna>	maybe
[06:38:35] <werdna>	but I want a quick fix :))
[06:38:44] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: to my address :) see toolserver-l or whatever
[06:39:31] <Splarka>	FireJackey: what is your usage case?
[06:40:41] <werdna>	Duesentrieb: is there an example of the sort of thing I'm supposed to say?
[06:41:39] <Duesentrieb>	mine sais this: Daniel Duesentrieb Kinzler (daniel.kinzler AT wikimedia.de) has studied Informatics and Formal Logics in Leipzig, Germany. WikiWord is the result of his diploma thesis. He's a long time Wikipedia and Commons admin, MediaWiki develooper and toolserver root. He is currently employed by Wikimedia Germany as a software developer. 
[06:41:49] <Duesentrieb>	no need for a mail, really :)
[06:42:15] <Duesentrieb>	the wikiword bit is actually only there because hat's the bio i put in for the wikiword presentation.
[06:43:26] <werdna>	ah
[06:44:15] <FireJackey>	Splarka: I need to transclude many page,all the page @ main namespace.
[06:44:16] <FireJackey>	Splarka: No any page @ other namespace
[06:44:55] <Splarka>	then {{:PAGE NAME}} should work, is there a reason it doesn't?
[06:45:09] <Duesentrieb>	he just doesn't like the ":"
[06:45:14] <FireJackey>	hate...
[06:45:16] <Splarka>	bah
[06:45:27] <Splarka>	{{{{ns:0}}:PAGE NAME}}
[06:45:29] <Splarka>	heh
[06:45:31] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[06:45:49] <Splarka>	or make a template
[06:45:57] <Duesentrieb>	well, a setting like wgTemplateNamespace would be nice. but i don#t think we have that
[06:46:05] <Splarka>	{{transcludethis|PAGE NAME}} ->   {{:{{{1|}}}}}
[06:46:09] <Duesentrieb>	FireJackey: you are out of luck, basically.
[06:46:15] <Splarka>	in 1.15 you could even do it smartly...
[06:46:24] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[06:46:29] <Splarka>	{{ {{NAMESPACE:{{{1|}}}}} : {{PAGENAME:{{{1|}}} }}
[06:46:37] <Splarka>	which would work for main namespace or non-main namespace pages
[06:46:51] <Splarka>	{{transcludethis|Foo}} {{transcludethis|User:Foo}} {{transcludethis|Template:Foo}}
[06:47:07] <werdna>	Andrew ('Werdna') Garrett (agarrett AT wikimedia.org) is a long-term English Wikipedian, Wikimedian, and MediaWiki developer currently doing contract work for the Wikimedia Foundation. He is also a toolserver root and a shell user on the Wikimedia servers.
[06:47:07] <Duesentrieb>	ughn.
[06:47:12] <werdna>	Does that sound about right?
[06:47:24] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: excellent.
[06:47:40] <Splarka>	Dues: aren't templates and parserfunctions fun X_X
[06:48:06] <FireJackey>	$wgTemplateNamespace << ???
[06:48:27] <Splarka>	He means it would be nice if the template namespace could be changed easily
[06:48:36] <Splarka>	which it can't, really
[06:48:56] <FireJackey>	:(
[06:49:18] <Splarka>	so, which is less ugly to you:
[06:49:44] <Splarka>	{{x|PAGE NAME}}  {{:PAGE NAME}}  or  {{{{ns:0}}:PAGE NAME}}
[06:49:50] *Duesentrieb 	is changing location, will be back online in a few
[06:54:46] <Splarka>	any more-experienced mediawiki.org admins around? should this guy be indef blocked? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Asdxiao2  if it is a robotic spammer, it seems very inefficient, but the URLs are way too seo to be harmless experiments
[06:55:38] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: Yes & please report those domains to [[m:WM:SPAM]] so I can take a look tomorrow
[06:56:40] *Splarka 	sifts through them
[06:56:55] <Splarka>	Mike: this was a weird one: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=U.S._budget_deficit_this_year_will_be_close_to_two_trillion_U.S._dollars&timestamp=20090411060338&diff=prev
[06:57:35] <FireJackey>	:)
[06:57:39] <FireJackey>	done
[06:58:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	how is that weird?
[06:58:29] <Splarka>	how is it /not/ weird? spambots don't make and then correct such mistakes ^_^
[06:58:39] <Mike_lifeguard>	right, that's a human spammer
[06:59:27] <Splarka>	even so, were they transcribing rather than copypasting? 
[06:59:58] *Splarka 	looks at WM:SPAM
[07:00:00] <Splarka>	> Please provide evidence of spamming on several wikis. Spam that only affects a single project should go to that project's local blacklist.
[07:00:06] *Splarka 	looks at Mike
[07:00:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	ignore that :D
[07:00:32] <FireJackey>	http://firejackey.pastebay.com/8197
[07:01:04] <root|work>	http://www.wikimedia.ch/Donate
[07:01:08] <root|work>	Fatal error: Unsupported operand types in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/u00033/www/includes/parser/LinkHolderArray.php on line 33
[07:01:12] <root|work>	any idea?
[07:01:30] <FireJackey>	$wgTemplateNamespace ;)
[07:02:29] <Splarka>	hax...
[07:02:51] <FireJackey>	work
[07:03:08] <Splarka>	now sneek that into core ^_^
[07:05:22] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[07:05:39] <Splarka>	ugh, mike, that page and formatting make my head hurt
[07:05:53] *Splarka 	stabs ya and leaves it on your talkpage instead
[07:06:03] <Duesentrieb>	FireJackey: there are probably twenty places where NS_TEMPLATE is hardcoded. in fact, any mention of that constant whould probably be replaced by $wgTemplateNamespace... grep for it.
[07:06:10] <Duesentrieb>	Hey Nikerabbit
[07:06:30] <Splarka>	Nike: see scrollback for i18n colon question
[07:09:49] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: how much back?
[07:10:06] <Splarka>	<werdna> a lot of message used to be fieldset legends, and are being converted into input labels
[07:10:50] <Splarka>	[06:36:58] in http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090414.txt
[07:11:15] <Splarka>	(about half an hour...?)
[07:12:29] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[07:12:39] <Nikerabbit>	why the change?
[07:12:48] <Nikerabbit>	just add the colons add least to the english
[07:12:59] <Nikerabbit>	are the fieldsets going away?
[07:13:30] <Splarka>	been watching the preferences branch?
[07:13:56] <Splarka>	new and exciting stuff there (but with change comes pain)
[07:14:51] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: sure I do
[07:14:55] <Nikerabbit>	but nothing that merits that change
[07:15:36] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: it's in preferences
[07:15:53] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: what is?
[07:15:59] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: I'm changing the Time zone fieldset into something resembling an actual form
[07:16:10] <werdna>	so the legend needs to become an input label
[07:16:20] <Nikerabbit>	you mentioned that a lot of messages are changing?
[07:17:36] <werdna>	only a few
[07:17:42] <werdna>	I've changed a bunch with sed
[07:17:48] <werdna>	(just renamings)
[07:18:16] <p858snake>	Nikerabbit: standatization is always good
[07:18:41] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: well, you're gonna have pain to merge them back if you don't do it again when merging :o
[07:19:10] <werdna>	what do you mean?
[07:19:26] <kraut>	moin
[07:19:27] <Nikerabbit>	manual message renames for all languages
[07:19:48] <werdna>	I didn't rename them manually
[07:19:53] <werdna>	I just used sed
[07:20:11] <Nikerabbit>	outside betawiki = manually :o
[07:20:16] <Marybelle>	:O
[07:20:18] <Nikerabbit>	the i18n files change every day
[07:20:40] <werdna>	sed -e 's/^(\s*)'editing'/$1'prefs-editing'/' -n Messages*.php
[07:20:52] <werdna>	siebrand said it was okay I think
[07:20:59] <werdna>	and it was in a branch anyway
[07:21:06] <werdna>	AFAIK branches aren't localised.
[07:21:10] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[07:21:37] <Nikerabbit>	but you are going to have conflicts, aren't you?
[07:21:47] <werdna>	oh, probably
[07:21:49] *werdna 	shrugs
[07:22:06] <Nikerabbit>	so you should probably just re-run the script at merge?
[07:22:29] <werdna>	yeah, something like that
[07:22:36] <Nikerabbit>	no problem in that
[07:22:55] <Nikerabbit>	what comes to colons, if you add it to english we can fuzzy it
[07:23:10] <werdna>	what do you mean 'fuzzy' it?
[07:23:13] <Nikerabbit>	doesn't matter that much if you edit others manually, translators still need to check it every case
[07:23:39] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: basically just untranslated
[07:24:24] <werdna>	oh you're talking about adding a colon message
[07:24:30] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[07:24:39] <Nikerabbit>	no
[07:24:51] <Nikerabbit>	just plain : in the messages itself
[07:46:04] <magewhopper>	is there a way to insert <meta name="robot" content="noarchive"> in Header like __NOINDEX__ to insert content="noindex"> ?
[07:47:44] <Duesentrieb>	magewhopper: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MetaTags
[07:48:20] <Duesentrieb>	though i find it a bit scary.
[07:49:24] <Splarka>	http://google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package:svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk+file:phase3/+noindex+nofollow
[07:49:56] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: {{#
[07:49:57] *Splarka 	wonders why one couldn't have a $wgNoindexPolicy = 'noindex,nofollow' global, that could be augmented/fiddled
[07:50:00] <Duesentrieb>	errr.
[07:50:11] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: {{#robots:...}}} wouold be kind of handy
[07:50:23] <Splarka>	for each page? you crazy
[07:51:32] <Splarka>	but per ^ 21 matches just in /includes, seems like a bit 'o code duplication is going on
[07:52:15] <magewhopper>	ah {{#meta 
[07:53:28] <magewhopper>	Splarka, I said noarchive, not noindex 
[07:53:42] <magewhopper>	but thanx :)
[07:54:02] <Splarka>	topic unrelated
[07:54:25] <Splarka>	was just musing that there was some nasty code duplication going on
[07:54:34] <Splarka>	a literal string used 21 times... or more
[08:03:32] <werdna>	Splarka: is someselectbox.value = 'X' safe across browsers?
[08:06:16] <Splarka>	for form elements, yes
[08:06:32] *Splarka 	guesses you mean a select box, heh
[08:06:43] <Splarka>	if the box has a corresponding <option> that is
[08:07:32] <werdna>	big commit
[08:07:35] <werdna>	wheee
[08:07:42] <werdna>	I'm going to put it all up on my test site now
[08:07:50] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49456 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
[08:07:50] <CIA-15>	* Implementation of timezone offset for new preferences form, which is now functionally complete (except for quickbar settings).
[08:07:50] <CIA-15>	* Addition of a new type of field, "HTMLSelectOrOtherField", usable for block reasons, and (in this case) timezones.
[08:07:50] <CIA-15>	* Documentation for the GetPreferences hook.
[08:07:53] <CIA-15>	* Cleanup of preferences javascript, including better variable naming, adding event handlers dynamically instead of with html attributes, and internal documentation for some complicated functions.
[08:07:55] <werdna>	actually I may do global preferences first.
[08:10:49] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[08:10:54] <Nikerabbit>	really?
[08:12:00] <werdna>	yeah
[08:12:03] <domas>	Hi!
[08:12:04] <werdna>	it's trivial now
[08:12:05] <Splarka>	hmm, .selectedIndex might be the preferred method to set a <select> actually
[08:12:05] <werdna>	hi domas 
[08:12:07] <domas>	does mediawiki support 2G files?!
[08:12:07] <domas>	:)
[08:12:21] <Splarka>	you need a developer
[08:12:39] <domas>	are there developers?
[08:12:42] <domas>	is anyone here?
[08:12:52] <werdna>	Splarka: bah
[08:12:55] *werdna 	bans domas 
[08:13:12] *Splarka 	always used .value and never got complaints, but... hmm
[08:14:52] *Splarka 	researches more
[08:16:34] <Splarka>	value
[08:16:34] <Splarka>	A string that reflects the VALUE attribute of the option.
[08:16:38] <Splarka>	Read-only
[08:16:40] <Splarka>	:(
[08:17:24] <werdna>	bah
[08:17:44] <werdna>	how would I emulate it using selectedIndex?
[08:17:49] <werdna>	indexFromValue()? :)
[08:18:21] <Splarka>	you're matching a string against <option value=""> ?
[08:24:26] <Splarka>	sigh
[08:24:35] <Splarka>	for (var i=0;i<selectbox.options.length;i++) if(selectbox.options[i].value == 'X') selectbox.selectedIndex = i
[08:24:40] <Splarka>	werdna^
[08:26:08] <Splarka>	alternately:  for(var i=0;i<selectbox.options.length;i++) if(selectbox.options[i].value == 'X') selectbox.options[i].selected = true;
[08:26:18] <Splarka>	which should work for multi-select boxen
[08:29:49] <werdna>	yay
[08:29:50] <werdna>	thanks
[08:30:00] <Splarka>	rar
[08:44:18] <werdna>	will fix it in a sec
[08:59:02] <CIA-15>	03catrope * r49457 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ApiQueryAbuseFilters.php: Followup to r49449: another typo
[09:36:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable the AbuseFilter on the Alemannic Wikipedia [alswiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18415  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:45:04] *werdna 	dances the "I'm awesome" dance.
[09:45:16] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49458 10/branches/preferences-work/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
[09:45:16] <CIA-15>	Basic implementation of global preferences. For now, a simple on/off toggle per-wiki.
[09:45:16] <CIA-15>	Still need some way of letting users opt into global preferences without
[09:45:16] <CIA-15>	overwriting their existing global preferences (I suspect the best way to do this
[09:45:16] <CIA-15>	would be to just run the maintenance script for user preference migration.
[09:45:56] <Marybelle>	\o/
[09:46:00] <Marybelle>	Nicely done. :-)
[09:46:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable the AbuseFilter on the Alemannic Wikipedia [alswiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18415  (10agarrett)
[09:55:23] <CIA-15>	03jojo * r49459 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: typo fix
[09:57:05] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49460 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: Move misplaced button
[10:25:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) In Search Text box - on pressing Esc key - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18458 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (thilsenjav)
[10:47:00] <werdna>	New preference system is live at http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Main_Page
[10:47:02] <werdna>	try to break it
[10:50:24] <Splarka>	> Fatal error: Call to undefined method User::encodeOptions() in /var/wiki/mediawiki/includes/User.php on line 2509
[10:50:30] *Splarka 	wins
[10:50:47] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49461 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/includes/User.php: Fatal
[10:51:41] <Splarka>	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '}' in /var/wiki/mediawiki/includes/User.php on line 2521
[10:52:21] <werdna>	i know, i know
[10:52:24] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49462 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/includes/User.php: Parse error
[10:52:58] <Splarka>	heh
[10:54:41] *Splarka 	ponders if he can bribe werdna to remove target="_blank" from the skin previews
[10:55:34] <Splarka>	hmm, how do you change the timezone?
[10:56:28] <svip>	Hmm, how about we just get rid of timezones all together?
[10:56:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) enable subpages in ns 12, 13 & 15 on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18459 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (happy-melon)
[10:56:41] <Splarka>	svip: upstream
[10:57:39] <svip>	Huh
[10:57:52] <Splarka>	as in, get the world to do that first
[10:58:10] <svip>	I am working on it.
[10:58:15] <Splarka>	hmm
[10:58:20] <svip>	Meanwhile, keep that commit code ready.
[10:58:26] <Splarka>	werdna: that's weird, the timezone box wasn't showing until I saved my preferences once
[10:58:58] <Splarka>	also it is very annoying layout-wise to have checkbox labels to the right and inputbox labels to the left
[10:59:21] <Splarka>	(while still having the boxes horizontally aligned)
[10:59:27] <svip>	Finally someone spots that the preferences system is a mess.
[10:59:43] <svip>	I always thought it was a joke or an Easter egg that it was so silly.
[11:03:39] *Splarka 	can't break it
[11:03:56] *Splarka 	didn't try hard though
[11:04:38] <svip>	Use the method from Battleship, just stab randomly until you hit something.
[11:04:46] <Splarka>	ugh, I hate action paths
[11:04:56] <Splarka>	have to work to get the scriptpath, rather than copy-paste an edit link
[11:05:02] *Splarka 	finds the api
[11:05:27] <Splarka>	wat
[11:05:57] <Splarka>	werdna: http://wiki.werdn.us/test/scripts/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo
[11:06:05] <Splarka>	but http://wiki.werdn.us/test/scripts/api.php works
[11:06:09] *Splarka 	hates actionpaths more
[11:06:36] <svip>	You need to curse more.
[11:06:50] <werdna>	;.lllllllllllltyewqasdftydsfggggggggo90p-=[]'
[11:07:29] <Splarka>	heh
[11:07:31] <Splarka>	it works via POST
[11:07:45] <werdna>	keyboard cleaning
[11:08:09] <Splarka>	nice, only shows me my changed options
[11:08:15] <Splarka>	er
[11:08:45] <Splarka>	no, it shows all, bah
[11:08:56] <werdna>	What do you mean?
[11:08:57] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:09:18] <Splarka>	I can't link you, your api doesn't allow GET!
[11:09:22] <Splarka>	<form action="http://wiki.werdn.us/test/scripts/api.php" method="post"><input type="text" name="action" value="query"><input type="text" name="meta" value="userinfo"><input type="text" name="uiprop" value="options"><input type="text" name="format" value="jsonfm"><input type="submit"></form>
[11:09:26] <Splarka>	^ submit that
[11:09:38] <Splarka>	be nice to see what is changed and what is 'default'
[11:09:53] <werdna>	I didn't add a user preferences API module..?
[11:09:55] <werdna>	did somebody else
[11:09:57] <Splarka>	not sure how though
[11:10:05] <Splarka>	oh, it's been there
[11:10:16] <Splarka>	heh
[11:10:25] <Splarka>	I guess you have the options transparently default?
[11:10:47] <Splarka>	so that you don't need to store them, but the api module can't tell the difference?
[11:11:36] *Splarka 	guess it is a roan question, nm
[11:11:46] <Splarka>	anyway, the only bug I have to report is above
[11:11:54] <Splarka>	timezone box didn't show for me until I saved prefs once
[11:12:04] <werdna>	ok
[11:12:53] <Splarka>	and one suggestion: have the inputboxes and checkboxes not aligned horizontally, but staggered so that the left-text and right-text isn't so stretched out, heh
[11:13:17] <Splarka>	label [text input]
[11:13:20] <Splarka>	[x] label
[11:14:38] <werdna>	hmm, could do that i guess
[11:14:39] <Splarka>	or stick the text on one side or the other, heh
[11:14:44] <Splarka>	but that is not optimal
[11:15:00] <werdna>	need to add the help text in too
[11:15:02] *Splarka 	gives werd cookie
[11:15:12] <Splarka>	oh, try try try to avoid links in <label>
[11:15:18] <werdna>	why?
[11:15:21] <Splarka>	very annoying around checkboxes!
[11:15:25] <Splarka>	several bugs about that
[11:15:39] <Splarka>	because clicking the link toggles the checkbox
[11:15:55] <werdna>	annoying
[11:15:56] <Splarka>	links should be outside the labels
[11:16:10] <Splarka>	the problem is, many labels are defined by messages that allow it
[11:16:25] <Splarka>	might be a good time to divorce labels from their help text
[11:16:50] <Splarka>	<input><label>plain text wfmsg</label>linkable help text wfmsg
[11:17:41] <Splarka>	it is mostly a prob in prefs (though the edit checkboxes suffer it too), and a lesser problem for other form elements (well, except radio buttons I assume have the same prob)
[11:20:32] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15130 
[11:21:09] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18312
[11:21:52] <Splarka>	so I am not sure of the best solution, but links shouldn't be allowed in checkbox/radio <label>, hint hint ^_^
[11:52:23] <an3k>	Hi, just a short question: how do i change the admins username (mine :) from Root to root? I edited the MySQL manually but then wiki doesnt work so i changed it back. Extension Renameuser uses capitalized usernames too :((
[11:52:43] <an3k>	i want to completely disable the capitalized usernames thing
[12:01:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow <a ...></a> (currently prevented) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18460 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (FT2.wiki)
[12:02:39] <Wuzur|rhn>	an3k: I'm not sure whether http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks also works for usernames, but at least you should give it a try (set it to false and try to rename with RenameUser)
[12:04:04] <an3k>	already done that, doesnt work :(
[12:04:25] <an3k>	in Renameuser i tried renaming Root to root but it changes root to Root
[12:08:46] <an3k>	aawwwwww, Short URLs also work with PHP-Fastcgi :))
[12:10:43] <Raymond_afk>	an3k: username has to have a capital first character, always
[12:12:15] <cgp_-_>	How do I include a list of categories in another page? For example, I want to include a category list on our front page (category of projects for our company)
[12:12:40] <cgp_-_>	So, I want to see the category view/page, on the main page
[12:13:11] <an3k>	Raymond_: noooo, why :( can't i manually edit a username?
[12:13:21] <Raymond_>	an3k: no way
[12:14:01] <Raymond_>	an3k: if you change the username in the database directly maybe it works maybe it will explode
[12:14:50] <an3k>	hehe, yeah. i guess i need to change the user_token too :)
[12:17:47] <cgp_-_>	Anybody? Anybody?
[12:18:11] <cgp_-_>	Is it possible, I know it's possible to include other section from other articles, but can I include entire category listings?
[12:18:21] <Bloodrayne>	Hi why do i get this thumbnail error when I change the size of the heights and widths?
[12:18:30] <Bloodrayne>	specially using gallery markups
[12:21:32] <Bloodrayne>	Error creating thumbnail: Unable to run external programs in safe mode. - this is the error msg I get after resizing to <gallery heights="190px" widths="110px" perrows="3">3 images</gallery>
[12:23:07] <werdna>	!safemode
[12:23:07] --mwbot--	safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[12:24:34] <an3k>	Raymond_: perhaps you can add a configuration setting for non-capitalied usernames in 1.15? :) not that an3k != An3k but an3k == An3k
[12:26:24] <Bloodrayne>	thanks werdna
[12:26:30] <an3k>	cgp_-_: wait a sec pls, i guess i saw that somewhere
[12:27:03] <Bloodrayne>	the wiki documentation was move to another server so I guess something went awonk from there...
[12:27:09] <Raymond_>	an3k: maybe, but I think this would be a bigger change because a lot of modules relies on usernames with a capital first character. but would be to request such a change in Bugzilla (but look for existing older bugs)
[12:27:12] <cgp_-_>	an3k: Thanks, I've got time :)
[12:32:12] <an3k>	Raymond_: hmm, yes. perhaps implementation of a case-insensitive thing (an3k == An3k == aN3k, etc.) would save much time
[12:32:52] <Raymond_>	an3k: no, An3k == aN3k is impossible. breaks more things
[12:36:20] <an3k>	oh, ok. thought usernames are already case-insensitive except the capitals
[12:45:50] <an3k>	cgp_-_: perhaps you want http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree but http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category gives more advice
[12:46:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable the Babel extension on fiwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18461 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (str4nd)
[12:46:15] <cgp_-_>	an3k: Well, Category tree would hide things, which I'd rather not do
[12:46:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check Babel extension for compatibility with Wikimedia Wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15308  (10str4nd)
[12:47:48] <an3k>	cgp_-_: you mean the user can hide the listing?
[12:48:23] <cgp_-_>	an3k: No, I'd rather it display the whole list, and preferably exactly like it is displayed on the actual category page
[12:52:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check Babel extension for compatibility with Wikimedia Wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15308   +need-review (10siebrand)
[12:53:44] <cgp_-_>	an3k: Maybe I can do it the same way that other sections are included. I'll have to look that up
[12:57:31] <an3k>	cgp_-_: yep. sry, didn't found what i was looking for :/
[13:08:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable AbuseFilter in Greek Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18462 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (geraki)
[13:09:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable AbuseFilter in Greek Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18462   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[13:12:04] <piksi>	werdna: wouldn't it be reasonable for mw to switch away from something as broken as php altogether ? ;-)
[13:24:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable AbuseFilter in Greek Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18462  +comment (10agarrett)
[13:27:05] <an3k>	oooh http://wiki.php.net/robots.txt ...
[13:34:18] <Duesentrieb>	piksi: that is called DekiWiki
[13:35:30] <piksi>	Duesentrieb: their front-end is still php :->
[13:36:10] <Duesentrieb>	is it? i just know that they started to form mediawiki and then just decided to rewrite all the cruft :)
[13:36:42] <piksi>	but hmm, deki is really interesting fork, they switched the whole of backend to c#
[13:36:53] <piksi>	it seems like they've drifted very far away from MW
[13:39:56] <piksi>	Duesentrieb: but i guess deki is able to use other frontends as well as it's completely separated.. i only know of the web php interface :-)
[13:41:26] <Duesentrieb>	it seems like a wiki angine i'd like to play with some time. so is xwiki.
[13:42:45] <piksi>	dekiwiki seems to have automated some things that in wikipedia require a lot of manual wikisyntax
[13:43:15] <piksi>	Duesentrieb: thanks for the hint on xwiki too
[14:04:42] <Dispenser>	How would I go about getting Flash ogg vorbis support into [[Extension:OggHandler]]?
[14:04:48] <Dispenser>	demo: http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/flash_ogg/demo.html
[14:08:47] <Emufarmers>	Dispenser: talking to the extension author would probably be a good place to start (Tim-away)
[14:10:10] <Dispenser>	Any idea what usually stop something from being implemented?
[14:10:40] <Emufarmers>	It being difficult/impossible or a developer being lazy? :)
[14:10:53] <Emufarmers>	oh, or there not being any demand for it
[14:11:09] <Dispenser>	so just the usual.
[14:16:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rollback of null edit does not restore flag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18001  (10gtisza)
[14:27:33] <Lo-lan-do>	Hi all
[14:28:22] <Lo-lan-do>	I'm trying to delete a page on a MW 1.12 installation, and the page is still there although I get no error message... how would I go about debugging that?
[14:31:32] <Emufarmers>	Lo-lan-do: it depends what "still there" means
[14:32:20] <Lo-lan-do>	Nothing in the delete log, nothing in the page history, and the page appears unchanged.
[14:33:04] <Emufarmers>	link?
[14:33:38] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Diff: go to top - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18351  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:34:12] <Lo-lan-do>	Emufarmers: https://fusionforge.org/mediawiki/index.php/Percheron
[14:34:37] <Emufarmers>	Ah, Graffiti
[14:35:03] <Lo-lan-do>	I hate them already.
[14:35:15] <Lo-lan-do>	Who are they, and what are they doing?
[14:35:37] <Emufarmers>	Well, they were nice enough to leave a link in the top part of the page they created
[14:35:39] <LauraHale>	They pretty much did what a bunch of spam bots had already done.  They just inserted code that was encrypted for another type of special.
[14:36:02] <Emufarmers>	but you're too late: they already folded faster than Superman on laundry day
[14:36:18] <Emufarmers>	anyway, you're using some sort of auth plugin?
[14:36:25] <Lo-lan-do>	I am
[14:36:48] <Emufarmers>	Also, you're running both HTTPS and HTTP
[14:36:54] <Lo-lan-do>	But since I see the delete tab and I can access it, surely that doesn't matter, does it?
[14:37:41] <Emufarmers>	It shouldn't; but those are the only things that stand out to me as possible problem causers
[14:38:08] <Emufarmers>	Can you edit a page while logged in?
[14:39:07] <Lo-lan-do>	Yes.
[14:39:29] <Lo-lan-do>	I just edited Sandbox... and deleted it.
[14:39:40] <Emufarmers>	Try deleting the other page again?
[14:39:53] <Lo-lan-do>	WTF
[14:39:58] <Lo-lan-do>	It worked now
[14:40:34] <Emufarmers>	I used my voodoo wiki doll
[14:41:26] <Lo-lan-do>	I'd be interested in knowing how you did that, but not today.
[14:41:39] <Lo-lan-do>	Thanks a lot anyway :-)
[14:41:50] *Lo-lan-do 	disables anonymous edits
[14:42:21] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[14:43:04] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r49463 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Export.php: Log stream buffer fix
[14:43:11] <Lo-lan-do>	No need for that, I have $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;
[14:43:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Logging dump seems to generate really slow, doesn't give status feedback, is lumped with stub dumps confusingly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17262  (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:43:29] <Lo-lan-do>	And accounts are created through the FusionForge instance on top of the wiki.
[14:43:30] <Emufarmers>	Whatever suits you
[14:43:50] <Emufarmers>	You probably want $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; too, though :)
[14:44:03] <Lo-lan-do>	I have that too :-)
[14:44:15] <Lo-lan-do>	And createpage and createtalk.
[14:46:13] *Lo-lan-do 	goes back to other tasks
[14:46:17] <Lo-lan-do>	Thanks again.
[14:46:21] <Emufarmers>	np
[14:58:45] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49464 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/MV_GlobalFunctions.php: fixed broken merge
[15:01:19] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49465 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/MV_Settings.php: turned off the scriptLoader by default (so it works on non-patched mediaWiki installs where the scriptLoader has not yet been moved to the core)
[15:04:38] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49466 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/ (SecurePoll.i18n.php includes/DumpPage.php): Fix a fixme from r49186:: date/time split in message but not yet in file DumpPage.php because locked by Tim.
[15:11:51] <an3k>	where should i place this code? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Calendar_(Barrylb)/CSS there is no common.css
[15:14:53] <Duesentrieb>	so create it.
[15:16:27] <an3k>	Duesentrieb: add to your site's MediaWiki:Common.css and customize to your liking (this is not the file under the skins/common directory in the file structure, but the actual MediaWiki:Common.css wiki page!)
[15:16:35] <an3k>	so i have to create that wikipage?
[15:17:37] <piksi>	an3k: yes?
[15:18:05] <an3k>	hmm, kinda weird but ok :)
[15:18:15] <fpwiki>	hi guys
[15:18:16] <piksi>	the instructions on the extension page say specificly what to do
[15:19:14] <fpwiki>	i was making some changes in apache and now all my wiki pages seem text only
[15:19:36] <fpwiki>	can anyone recommend a solution
[15:19:38] <fpwiki>	?
[15:19:59] <piksi>	perhaps you deleted the php module settings so that they are output as plaintext
[15:20:21] <piksi>	rtfm on apache php.conf if you're using it as a module
[15:21:24] <piksi>	i.e. the php files aren't run through the php intepreter anymore
[15:23:24] <fpwiki>	i didn't delete anything in php.conf
[15:23:51] <fpwiki>	maybe in httpd.conf
[15:24:08] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Install DynamicPageList on Dutch Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6163  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[15:26:22] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49467 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: 
[15:26:22] <CIA-15>	Tweak messages: Remove ", if applicable" because messages are shown only if subpages exist.
[15:26:22] <CIA-15>	Furthermore the list is subpages is shown
[15:30:07] <an3k>	fpwiki: you could, for example, deleted the dynamic php module so its not loaded anymore
[15:30:42] <lfox>	hello, I am wondering if anyone knows what is the best way to disable/remove user page User:xxx (for all users)? Thanks
[15:31:25] <fpwiki>	an3k that sounds sensible, how do i do this?
[15:35:02] <an3k>	fpwiki: nah, i mean you could done this accidential, thus wiki is plain text
[15:35:50] <an3k>	if we / you don't know what you've done to your apache.conf / httpd.conf we can't help. there is so much which could force plain text output
[15:36:11] <fpwiki>	i understand
[15:36:49] <fpwiki>	they don't seem changed at all
[15:36:53] <fpwiki>	everything looks normal
[15:37:12] <fpwiki>	i have one alias line in httpd.conf for short url's
[15:38:13] <fpwiki>	at one point i renamed my mediawiki dir and then reverted the change
[15:39:04] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r49468 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/patch-log_search.sql: Follow up to r49454: redid indexing
[15:39:07] <fpwiki>	i expected this to be a familiar problem, since i have also had it with wikipedia
[15:39:59] <eagleheart>	hi, I'm upgrading mediawiki from 1.7 to 1.14 ; actually copying everything over from one box to a new one with 1.14
[15:40:27] <eagleheart>	can someone point me to a migration script in the web site? I was told such a thing exists
[15:41:10] <an3k>	fpwiki: you had the same issue with wikipedia?? check my wiki @ http://dev.an3k.de/wiki ... same issues?
[15:41:38] <fpwiki>	no issues there
[15:41:57] <fpwiki>	not at the moment with wikipedia, but i've previously had it with multiple languages
[15:42:15] <fpwiki>	an2k my special:version states php 5.2.6-2ubuntu4.1 (apache2handler)
[15:42:27] <fpwiki>	that's my php module, right?
[15:43:10] <fpwiki>	or php is running as CGI
[15:43:14] <an3k>	yes and no. apache2handler is only the "gateway" between apache and php
[15:43:22] <piksi>	libapache2-mod-php5 is the php module package
[15:43:26] <piksi>	for ubuntu.
[15:47:11] <fpwiki>	when i run a2enmod php5 -> Module php5 already enabled
[15:55:47] <fpwiki>	it just looks like no css is being loaded at all
[15:55:52] <fpwiki>	could this be the issue?
[15:56:05] <an3k>	yes
[15:59:50] <an3k>	can you show me your wiki perhaps it is more than just the css thing
[16:05:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) In Search Text box - on pressing Esc key - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18458  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:06:32] <CIA-15>	03ashley * r49469 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserStats/UserStatsClass.php: SocialProfile: define $stats_data. Thanks to Moli for the code (see http://trac.wikia-code.com/changeset/7798#file28)
[16:23:12] <zen2xs>	Hello! Just wondering if anyone minds doing a database dump for the swedish wiktionary? I've requested it on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_dumps but apparently that page doesn't seem to be watched.
[16:24:19] <^demon>	zen2xs: Here's one from 2 months ago: http://download.wikimedia.org/svwiktionary/20090202/
[16:25:03] <zen2xs>	oh thanks, wrong irc channel (i just realised)
[16:31:23] <an3k>	are there duplicate extensions or are the best listed on the extension matrix?
[16:31:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SVG thumbnailing issues - part of the image not rendered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18463 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (le.korrigan)
[16:33:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG thumbnailing issues - part of the image not rendered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18463  (10N/A)
[16:33:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG rasterisation on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901  (10N/A)
[16:34:28] <^demon>	an3k: The extension matrix isn't really updated regularly anymore.
[16:34:59] <an3k>	oh, where is a good place then for getting such?
[16:36:14] <^demon|away>	Category:Extensions? I dunno...
[16:36:28] <^demon|away>	I only really trust extensions that are actively maintained in svn.
[16:38:17] <an3k>	ah, ok, thought i was using outdated resources but the matrix is linking to that site, thanks :)
[16:55:24] <Sirisian|Work>	What would cause a wiki that was working fine to randomly show "Can't contact the database server: No database connection". No one has touched it. It's in a private intranet even. I'm not sure what would cause this.
[16:55:42] <Sirisian|Work>	oh wait maybe mysql crashed?
[16:57:32] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[17:12:09] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49470 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (includes/Skin.php skins/common/upload.js): fixes: bug 16414 Upload form should prevent submission of filename with disallowed extension
[17:20:17] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Upload form should prevent submission of filename with disallowed extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16414  +comment (10dale)
[17:27:20] <Preforx>	Hello All, i enabled $wgFileExtensions = array( 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'ppt', 'pdf', 'doc', 'psd', 'mp3','xls', 'zip','swf', 'doc', 'odt', 'odc', 'odp', 'odg', 'mpp'); in LocalSettings.php, but sometimes if i want to upload, for example, a doc file, i get the message "file broken......." what i have to do to correct this?
[17:29:11] <an3k>	Preforx: MIME type
[17:29:19] <an3k>	check the MediaWiki FAQ
[17:29:36] <an3k>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ
[17:30:01] <Preforx>	Okay
[17:30:08] <Preforx>	thanks will have a look
[17:40:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450  +comment (10brion)
[17:45:09] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49471 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTreeFunctions.php: 
[17:45:09] <CIA-15>	* (bug 16744) Calling <categorytree> or {{#categorytree:...}} on non-existent category no longer expose strip markers
[17:45:09] <CIA-15>	Changed call from wfMsgExt() with 'parseinline' as option to Parser::recursiveTagParse()
[17:45:10] <Preforx>	Hello again. In my mime.types i found "application/msword doc dot" so normaly it should work. and i know it works because i uploaded some doc files before, but it is only with this one file :(
[17:45:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) CategoryTree: If called on non-existent category, exposes strip markers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16744  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:51:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[17:51:42] <Marybelle>	RoanKattouw_away: That's my bet.
[18:02:04] <^demon>	My professor for two of my classes just finally connected that I'm the same "Chad" in both classes....now that we're about 3/4 of the way through the semester.
[18:02:36] <ialex>	:D
[18:02:57] <^demon>	*sigh*
[18:03:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload-by-URL should enforce $wgMaxUploadSize early when Content-Length header provided - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18201  +comment (10dale)
[18:04:46] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: Lousy teachers FTW xD
[18:06:11] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Yeah... and it doesn't help that Dr. Choi's english is less-than-stellar. He spent last week talking about "Shupa classes"
[18:06:51] <RoanKattouw>	brion: No intention to be nagging or anything, but did you e-mail Leslie about the GSoC slot thing yet? 'Cause they've still got us down for 5 slots, and now the top 5 proposals in our list are green :)
[18:07:00] <brion>	no time yet
[18:07:02] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[18:07:05] <RoanKattouw>	k
[18:07:13] <^demon>	What 5 projects were decided on?
[18:07:26] <RoanKattouw>	Well the point is we're not sure we want as much as 5
[18:07:42] <RoanKattouw>	Of course that's Brion's call, but I really only see 2 (maybe 3) happening
[18:08:37] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49472 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (24 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-14 17:59 UTC)
[18:08:39] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: Yeah, I'm lucky not to have regular lectures in Chenlish. Only had one guest lecture about "dormant experts"
[18:09:17] <brion>	RoanKattouw: did we get a clear go/no go from semantic mw people?
[18:09:21] <^demon>	Dr. Choi's one of the major professors in CS, so I'm not ridding myself of him anytime soon....
[18:10:17] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, I thought that too.
[18:10:33] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Looking through stuff... we did get a reply from the submitter of Dynamic Bookmarks about improving Extension:Collection
[18:10:45] <Simetrical>	I don't think we have five proposals that are good enough to bother with.  Better to give the slots to other projects.
[18:10:45] <Simetrical>	Which we were supposed to tell to Leslie by two days ago.  :)
[18:10:45] <Simetrical>	But maybe if some of the SMW stuff works out . . .
[18:10:52] <RoanKattouw>	About adding an export-to-.doc feature
[18:11:05] <Simetrical>	Yay proprietary format support?
[18:11:18] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Yes, I know; but two days ago was Easter Sunday and it was announced on either Good Friday or the day before
[18:11:20] <brion>	RoanKattouw: any interested mentor?
[18:11:41] <RoanKattouw>	No one added their name there
[18:11:47] <brion>	Simetrical: announcements over the weekend don't actually work very well for those of us who do this as a job :)
[18:11:52] <RoanKattouw>	But maybe Simetrical would do it ;)
[18:12:30] <RoanKattouw>	The Semantic Layers applicant says that Yaron Koren (SMW) says that he's willing to mentor
[18:12:38] <Mike||busy>	RoanKattouw: improving Extension:Collections eh? Any details on what "improving" is?
[18:12:41] <Marybelle>	Watchlist upgrade, i.e. multiple watchlists on the same project, a global watchlist for m:SUL, etc. See w:Wikipedia:PERSISTENT#Multiple watchlists, etc. <-- Whee.
[18:12:54] <Marybelle>	Mike||busy: Making it not suck. Duh.
[18:12:59] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: I finally peeked at the SML code...it kinda sucked.
[18:13:05] <RoanKattouw>	Mike||busy: Adding export-to-.do
[18:13:07] <RoanKattouw>	c
[18:13:18] *Mike||busy 	barfs
[18:13:26] *RoanKattouw 	gets the idea we might actually fill 5 slots
[18:13:29] <Mike||busy>	there are more important improvements that extension needs :D
[18:13:44] <Marybelle>	As I recall the output filenames still _suck_.
[18:13:51] <Simetrical>	brion, the announcement was over Passover for me, so I only saw it sometime late Sunday afternoon too.  :)
[18:14:07] <Simetrical>	Everyone's caught that we need to have a mentor assigned to every project we want to accept, right?
[18:14:07] *Marybelle 	votes for Regex-based blacklist.
[18:14:14] <Mike||busy>	me too!
[18:14:15] <RoanKattouw>	The Cortado guy is in direct contact with mdale , so ask him about that I guess
[18:14:23] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[18:14:25] *^demon 	hits Marybelle for wanting yet-another-blacklist :D
[18:14:26] <Simetrical>	Is that all good?  I don't think I can see which projects have mentors assigned.
[18:14:38] <Marybelle>	^demon: A proper extension to replace the awful hacks. :P
[18:14:41] <Simetrical>	GSoC doesn't give mentors much info, it seems.
[18:14:42] <mdale>	The cortado guy is a bit better when communicating in spanish
[18:14:43] <Mike||busy>	^demon: no! a replacement for the hodgepodge we have now
[18:14:45] <brion>	mdale: we still want that video project?
[18:14:46] <Marybelle>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Regex-based_blacklist
[18:14:54] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: None so far. Brion (ping) needs to assign mentors to projects
[18:15:09] <RoanKattouw>	And needs to do that Very Soon Now
[18:15:34] <brion>	bueno :D
[18:15:36] <^demon>	Marybelle/Mike||busy: A unified blacklist would be nice...and I believe TitleBlacklist is the closest to being there. It *did* deprecate UserBlacklist, at least.
[18:15:38] <mdale>	I am chatting with him seeing if he can re-tool his efforts towards adding little features to the html based interfaces like volume control for cortado (integrated into mv_embed) 
[18:15:51] <brion>	*nod*
[18:15:53] <Simetrical>	If we don't have mentors assigned, that seems like it's Very Bad.
[18:15:54] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[18:15:58] <Marybelle>	^demon: The manual logging, single-page nonsense should DIAF. :-)
[18:15:59] *Mike||busy 	huggles ^demon retroactively for that :D
[18:16:00] <Simetrical>	From the discussion on the mentors list.
[18:16:04] <brion>	well, i Must Must Must have these all confirmed in 24 hours :)
[18:16:14] <brion>	looks like we'll prolly fill the 5 slots we've got tho
[18:16:18] <mdale>	and have him help with general testing of mv_embed stuff
[18:16:23] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, looks like an exact fit
[18:16:48] <RoanKattouw>	Except that we're a mentor short
[18:17:07] <^demon>	Which one still needs a mentor?
[18:17:10] <brion>	who are we short on?
[18:17:13] <RoanKattouw>	brion: This also means we need to get Yaron to sign up at GSOC so you can assign him
[18:17:19] <brion>	RoanKattouw: already done
[18:17:22] <RoanKattouw>	Dynamic Bookmarks
[18:17:27] <mdale>	what is that exactly/
[18:17:35] <mdale>	or how is it different from collections? 
[18:17:43] <RoanKattouw>	It's not, anymore P
[18:17:44] <brion>	i don't think we'll have room for dynamic bookmarks if arash wants this skins guy
[18:17:50] <RoanKattouw>	True, true
[18:18:05] <RoanKattouw>	It was kinda reduced to "add .doc export to Collection" anyway
[18:18:21] <RoanKattouw>	But if Arash wants the skins guy we need to up his score
[18:18:24] <^demon>	Speaking of skins, I need to un-break Skin today :)
[18:18:26] <mdale>	yea I vote bump up skins work if arash wants him
[18:18:39] <brion>	:D
[18:18:45] <brion>	i'm poking arash but ain't heard back yet
[18:19:00] <Simetrical>	The skins work guy seemed to think he was doing mostly graphical stuff, didn't he?
[18:19:05] *RoanKattouw 	wonders whether aboostani pings on "Arash"
[18:19:09] <Simetrical>	As opposed to, like, rewriting our skin system to not be terrible.
[18:19:13] <RoanKattouw>	hehe
[18:19:20] <mdale>	hehe... as if that could be done as a SOC project 
[18:19:23] <^demon>	Simetrical: I'd prefer the latter ;-)
[18:19:57] <Simetrical>	We don't have a template system, that's the problem.  So you can't change almost any of the HTML without risking all sorts of awful compatibility problems, and to even do that, you need to know PHP.
[18:20:03] <Simetrical>	The guy didn't sound prepared for that.
[18:20:24] <mdale>	yea...
[18:20:42] <RoanKattouw>	Guess we can always ask
[18:20:46] <mdale>	you could give up some slots...
[18:21:13] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah that was my idea earlier but it seems we can pretty much fill the 5 we got
[18:21:41] <Simetrical>	Didn't I ask him?
[18:21:43] <Simetrical>	Did he ever respond?
[18:21:59] <RoanKattouw>	Does Melange autosubscribe you to comments on your proposals?
[18:22:35] <RoanKattouw>	Also says "prefer to communicate through e-mail" on top of his proposal
[18:23:11] <RoanKattouw>	(for the record, Melange does *not* autosubscribe anyone to anything, while it should)
[18:23:15] <Simetrical>	I thought I subscribed manually.
[18:23:22] <Simetrical>	But yeah, I spotted that thread.
[18:23:34] <Simetrical>	Students aren't auto-subscribed either . . .
[18:23:57] <RoanKattouw>	...and there's no "Subscribe me to all proposals for this project" button, one I'd definitely use
[18:34:28] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49473 10/trunk/extensions/ (126 files in 114 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-14 18:14 UTC)
[18:37:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Implement the ScriptLoader into the core. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18464 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (dale)
[18:38:38] <^demon>	Has anyone else taken a peek at bug 18843 yet?
[18:38:48] <^demon>	*18443
[18:44:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Monobook <strong> for accessibility to selected items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18465 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Device compatibility; (jidanni)
[18:46:52] <Preforx>	Hello again. Have the Problem with a doc file. "File is corrupt...." Error appears if i want to upload it. In my mime.types i found "application/msword doc dot" so normaly it should work. and i know it works because i uploaded some doc files before, but it is only with this one file :(
[18:46:58] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49474 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionScores/ (ContributionScores.i18n.php ContributionScores_body.php): Enable PLURAL
[18:53:35] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49475 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/devel/: rm old devel module
[18:53:59] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49476 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/devel/ (143 files in 16 dirs): New devel module
[18:57:53] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49477 10/trunk/extensions/ImportUsers/SpecialImportUsers.i18n.php: 
[18:57:53] <CIA-15>	Acronym CSV should be capitalized.
[18:57:53] <CIA-15>	Suggestion by EugeneZelenko at translatewiki.net
[19:00:37] <soultaker>	hello, i was looking at the site about embedding pics and i been here for about 30 min and i cant seem to figure it out my code is[[File:http://www.desirero.com/Wiki/pictures/Beanniebear.jpg|caption]] and it simply puts a link i was wondering if i could get the image to appear instead of a link
[19:01:07] <Duesentrieb>	soultaker: the File-namespace is new in 1.5
[19:01:20] <Duesentrieb>	soultaker: use Image with older versions of mediawiki
[19:01:45] <piksi>	oh that's nice!
[19:02:19] <soultaker>	im confused, im sorry r u saying my mediawiki is 2 new?
[19:02:30] <soultaker>	and that i need a older one?
[19:02:52] <piksi>	file-namespace is included in 1.5 which is not yet released
[19:03:07] <piksi>	oh brainfart
[19:03:08] <Splarka>	1.15
[19:03:15] <piksi>	1.15, yeah :->
[19:03:52] <Splarka>	also, the format is [[Image:Filename.ext]], or http://fullurl.domain/Filename.ext  (if external images are enabled)
[19:04:07] <Splarka>	see !externalimages and !upload
[19:10:08] <Duesentrieb>	heh, i never read past the File: bit, i didn't even notice that it's a url. fail.
[19:12:50] <breit>	hi, i have a problem with my new installed mediawiki: after i successfully finished the installation and moved the LocalSettings.php to the root folder, nothing happens, when i call the main page
[19:12:58] <breit>	it`s only white...
[19:13:10] <ialex>	!errors
[19:13:10] --mwbot--	To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1);  Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like.
[19:13:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) eliminate principal source of duplicated text table rows: unchecked undos - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18333  (10jidanni)
[19:17:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement the ScriptLoader into the core. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18464  (10dale)
[19:17:51] <breit>	i also added everything what mwbot said, but still nothing
[19:19:11] <Duesentrieb>	breit: well, you got a fatal error. you need to find out what it is. it might be necessary to look through log files or even tell php where to write errors to get that info. don't forget to restart the web server after changing php config.
[19:21:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section heading anchors shouldn't begin with invalid characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9530  +comment (10jidanni)
[19:22:30] <breit>	cant restart apache because its webspace at a hoster
[19:22:47] <breit>	and i also added the $wgDebugLogFile
[19:22:56] <breit>	$wgDebugLogFile = 'debug.log';
[19:23:09] <breit>	but nothing apperars in the root
[19:23:25] <Duesentrieb>	breit: the error probably happens before any of that gets even parsed.
[19:23:37] <Duesentrieb>	breit: if it's a hosted site, ask your hoster for access to the error log.
[19:23:48] <Duesentrieb>	if you don#t get it, your hoster sucks.
[19:23:51] <Duesentrieb>	(and you lose)
[19:24:25] <breit>	hmm^^ okay...
[19:24:40] <breit>	thank u ;)
[19:26:05] <an3k>	breit: what does mediawiki said before installation? a green line telling that you are able to install mediawiki?
[19:26:43] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49478 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix minor testing bug.
[19:28:15] <breit>	yes but there was also a failture... wait please
[19:31:28] <breit>	http://wiki.partytaxi.net/problems.txt
[19:32:44] <an3k>	errrr, get a better hoster :)
[19:33:01] <breit>	oh no... why?
[19:33:18] <an3k>	GNU diff3 not found.
[19:33:18] <an3k>	Warning: Your session.save_path value (/tmp) appears to be invalid or is not writable. 
[19:33:28] <^demon>	Because your host wont let you access /tmp :)
[19:33:32] <an3k>	and
[19:33:32] <an3k>	Warning: is_dir() [function.is-dir]: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/tmp) is not within the allowed path(s): 
[19:33:56] <^demon>	open_basedir() breaks MW about as badly as safe mode.
[19:34:35] <an3k>	php-fcgi is good in general but the hoster doesnt have a clue how to configure it properly
[19:35:05] <Duesentrieb>	^demon: not if it's set up right
[19:35:13] <Duesentrieb>	the warning about /tmp isn't a problem of and by itself
[19:35:24] <Duesentrieb>	but who knows what they did screw up
[19:35:41] <Duesentrieb>	^demon: why would mediawiki need to access /tmp directly?
[19:36:08] <^demon>	Duesentrieb: mw itself doesn't. sessions do :)
[19:36:26] <an3k>	i guess the hoster forgot to configure your php correctly @ breit and if a hoster forgot it can't be a good one :)
[19:36:27] <Duesentrieb>	^demon: yes, but open_basedir doesn't interfere with that
[19:36:49] <^demon>	As you said, if it's not configured right....
[19:37:28] <breit>	i have a phptmp folder... could be that the same at this hoster?
[19:37:37] *Simetrical 	points to wfTempDir()
[19:37:48] <breit>	can i set the tmp path with ini_set?
[19:38:04] <an3k>	yes, you should be able to do that
[19:38:15] <Simetrical>	wfDiff, wfMerge, and some upload-related stuff seem to use /tmp.
[19:38:42] <breit>	do u know the name of this?
[19:40:14] <an3k>	session.save_path / soap.wsdl_cache_dir / upload_tmp_dir
[19:40:25] <an3k>	thats all cvars i've found in mine php.ini
[19:40:44] <^demon>	an3k: session.save_path can be configured for MW as of like a day ago.
[19:41:05] <breit>	thank u!
[19:41:22] <an3k>	yw
[19:41:45] <^demon>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49370 - 
[19:42:33] <^demon>	Has Aaron been around today?
[19:44:07] <an3k>	btw. you can use cute URLs even with php-fcgi !
[19:44:16] <Simetrical>	Of course you can.
[19:44:19] <Simetrical>	I've been using them for ages.
[19:45:04] <an3k>	just wanna state that since the installer and the Configuration Settings list are saying it is not possible :)
[19:45:10] <flyingparchment>	no
[19:45:20] <flyingparchment>	it just doesn't enable it by default, because it doesn't work on all configurations
[20:02:05] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49479 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: Fix fatal error if $wgAllowUserCss or $wgAllowUserJs are set to true.
[20:05:10] <an3k>	is there an extension for IMAPs (ssl/tls)?
[20:05:39] <an3k>	cause google apps only provides a secure imap server :&
[20:12:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Admins should see a warning when in process of overruling a move protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18466 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (pgrawehr)
[20:13:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable CentralNotice on private/fishbowl wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17718  +comment (10ktc)
[20:14:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable subpages on main namespace of UK chapter website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17717   +shell; +comment (10ktc)
[20:15:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) s:cs: settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18428  (10brion)
[20:16:39] <brion>	an3k: since mediawiki isn't an email reader, i doubt this :)
[20:18:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Czech wikisource settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18428  summary; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:20:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove tlh wikis from dumps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18467 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Downloads; (innocentkiller)
[20:38:24] <Danny_B>	^demon: you hair-splitter...
[20:41:55] <^demon>	Danny_B: Come again?
[20:49:42] <RoanKattouw_away>	brion-meeting: More GSoC stuff for you ;) Leslie just sent out a mail to the mailing list saying organization admins (meaning you) have to create a home page for their project before Friday (subject "Organization Home Pages - Action Needed")
[20:52:33] <Splarka>	rar Roan: in werd's preferences branch, any hypothetical thoughts on how uiprop=options could show which options are 'undefined' (default)? that is, would it be possible (with some backend tweaking), and would it be feasable (how would it show them as undefined, but also show the default in <options> in a non-breaking way)?
[20:54:00] <brion-meeting>	RoanKattouw_away: i'll take a peek, thx :D
[20:54:13] <Splarka>	hmmm
[20:54:30] *Splarka 	also notices a breaking change, probably werdna's fault
[20:54:40] <Splarka>	trunk: 			"options": {
[20:54:40] <Splarka>					"quickbar": "1",
[20:54:46] <CIA-15>	03fvassard * r49480 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: 
[20:54:46] <CIA-15>	Added Ting Chen's feed:
[20:54:46] <CIA-15>	-URL: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default?alt=rss
[20:54:47] <Splarka>	prefs branch: 			"options": {
[20:54:47] <Splarka>					"quickbar": 1,
[20:55:10] <Splarka>	(does the prefs branch store integers when possible, instead of strings?
[20:56:23] <aboostani>	RoanKattouw_away , brion-meeting , and mdale , sorry I've been in meetings all morning, so just catching up on the gsoc discussion
[20:56:35] <mdale>	oky
[20:56:54] <aboostani>	I'm going to try to contact the skins person by phone to clarify something
[20:57:42] <aboostani>	his proposal looks to be aimed at giving people a better choice of different skins, not to improve the usablility
[20:58:24] <aboostani>	so there's definitely a conflict in desired results
[20:58:53] <AndyMan1>	Hello, I have a quick question. I'm fooling around with templates on my own mediawiki setup. Changing the template seems to require saving, which leaves lots of entries in recent changes. Is there a way around this?
[20:59:05] <aboostani>	if he's willing to focus on the usability aspects, then we'll consider him. Otherwise, we'll pass
[20:59:09] <aboostani>	I'll keep you posted
[20:59:10] <mdale>	aboostani: yea the project is very low rank
[20:59:31] <Duesentrieb>	AndyMan1: no.
[20:59:39] <mdale>	yea would be good to get some updates from that student... sound good keep us posted :)
[21:00:15] <Splarka>	... could set yourself +bot to hide them from recent changes (a bit)
[21:00:29] <Splarka>	or delete the template tests afterwards to retroactively remove the changes
[21:00:41] <Splarka>	or learn to love [show preview], heh
[21:01:04] <AndyMan1>	i've tried the preview, the changes don't seem to go into place
[21:01:18] <AndyMan1>	very new at this, so I could definitely be doing something wrong =p
[21:02:42] <Duesentrieb>	well, you can preview the template, but you can't really preview template usage#
[21:03:19] <AndyMan1>	ah ok. 
[21:03:55] <AndyMan1>	alrighty, thanks for the suggestions =)
[21:08:35] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Dunno offhand what would be feasible and what wouldn't, haven't looked at Werdna's work much
[21:09:37] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Is there any difference at all between undefined and set to the default? Or does the former change along when the default changes?
[21:11:21] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: And about the int-vs.-string thing: storing things that are ints as ints makes sense (duck rule), but depending on what exactly Werdna's new code can do, I may have to change the output format anyway
[21:14:09] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: have to pokle werdna I guess
[21:14:26] <Splarka>	but, say the API could tell, how could/would the output differentiate for the user?
[21:14:46] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=userinfo&uiprop=options&format=jsonfm
[21:14:48] <RoanKattouw>	Dunno yet, depends on other cool stuff that might be in there
[21:15:31] <Splarka>	perhaps an array "setoptions": ['quickbar','skin','rclimit'] etc...
[21:15:46] <Splarka>	a sibling of 'options':
[21:15:51] <RoanKattouw>	And another one with default options, makes sense
[21:16:10] <Splarka>	that way it wouldn't be a regression like having 'options' split would
[21:16:59] <Splarka>	(or by having each option an array and/or object)
[21:17:39] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[21:18:26] <Splarka>	I mean, ideally you'd have defaultoptions have them all, and options just have what the user has set/changed
[21:18:38] <RoanKattouw>	The most elegant solution would be to have <prop name="Foo" default="1" value="0" /> for set props and <prop name="Foo" default="1" /> for unset ones
[21:18:44] <Splarka>	but scripts relying on options to be set even if default would break
[21:18:57] <RoanKattouw>	Perhaps a breaking change is in order
[21:19:04] <Splarka>	hmm
[21:19:13] <Splarka>	well, that'd be annoying in json output
[21:19:24] <Splarka>	you'd have to have every option an object
[21:19:34] <Splarka>	if you were going to break, something like...
[21:19:59] *Splarka 	makes quick example
[21:21:12] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?h_WFQIOgVywLJLyReu_DIA
[21:21:36] <Splarka>	though defaultoptions could be part of meta=siteinfo I suppose
[21:21:50] *Splarka 	shrugs
[21:21:52] <Splarka>	not ideal either
[21:22:14] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah that format probably makes most sense
[21:22:28] <Splarka>	hmm
[21:22:39] <Splarka>	a slightly less breaky change would be to have options contain all options
[21:22:42] <RoanKattouw>	But when the time comes I should really have a talk with werdna about the new features
[21:22:50] <Splarka>	but be set to null, false, or "", for default
[21:23:01] <Splarka>	heh, he might be getting close to merging
[21:23:03] <RoanKattouw>	Wouldn't break any more or less IMO
[21:23:06] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[21:23:06] <Splarka>	he gets a bit cocky that way ^_^
[21:23:26] <Splarka>	you and him don't seem to overlap much though, timezone wise
[21:23:58] <RoanKattouw>	My late mornings are his nights (around midnight) IIRC, so that works
[21:24:14] *Splarka 	offers roan a Werdna-trap
[21:24:21] <RoanKattouw>	But yeah, the TZ difference sucks, found that out when trying to watch most of the Australian Open earlier
[21:24:29] <Splarka>	heh
[21:24:40] <RoanKattouw>	10 hours difference back then, probably 12 now with DST switched
[21:24:59] <RoanKattouw>	So that meant the 19:30 evening session started at 9:30 in the morning :P
[21:25:41] <_wy>	i have file uploads set up on my installation but for some reason i can't search for uploaded files via special:search.. i can only see them on the file upload list .. any tips?
[21:26:02] <_wy>	(even with the File namespace checked)
[21:28:50] <RoanKattouw>	Make sure the files have description pages?
[21:29:10] <Ose>	http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:How_do_i_create_a_blue_word_that_links_to_another_page xD
[21:29:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add double redirect list to succsess page when moving a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18468 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (bawolff+wn)
[21:41:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add double redirect list to succsess page when moving a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18468  +comment (10brian.mcneil)
[21:41:35] <puck>	Hey, due to authentication to a foreign database I need to use email addresses as login IDs.  Does anyone know if it is possible to obfuscate the email addresses in RecentChanges and history pages?
[21:42:25] <RoanKattouw>	Essentially, this means obfuscating usernames, which I don't think is possible
[21:43:57] <Duesentrieb>	puck: just use obfuscated names for login.
[21:44:06] <Duesentrieb>	unobfuscate before checking agains tthe external db
[21:45:11] <puck>	That requires telling 400-600 conference delegates to munge their email addresses before logging into the wiki.  :(
[21:45:37] <puck>	I was hoping to avoid that!
[21:46:15] <RoanKattouw>	Can't you let them type their e-mail address into the username box on the login form, obfuscate that, and use that for username
[21:46:16] <RoanKattouw>	?
[21:46:29] <RoanKattouw>	Possibly a bit confusing, but it should work I guess
[21:46:36] <chris__>	Quick q as I can't seem to find documentation around this issue. Is there a way for me to increase the session time out limit in Mediawiki?
[21:46:39] <Duesentrieb>	hmhm
[21:46:59] <RoanKattouw>	chris__: That's a PHP setting
[21:47:02] <puck>	RoanKattouw:  seems do-able to me.
[21:47:03] <Duesentrieb>	chris__: it's not a mediawiki thing. it's a php setting. look in the php manual.
[21:47:10] <chris__>	oh even better!
[21:47:21] <chris__>	thanks guys!
[21:52:15] *Simetrical 	pokes brion toward the mentors list, where it's said that apparently GSoC admins have to create a home page, and we haven't
[21:52:54] *RoanKattouw 	poked him about that a few hours ago, but guesses Brion could use some double poking
[21:53:18] <atglenn>	no 
[21:53:25] <atglenn>	I poked him first, wait yer turns!
[21:53:46] <mutante>	ever wanted to find out which extension is actually used by which wiki? trying to answer now.. http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawiki_extensions.php
[21:54:05] <RoanKattouw>	Fortunately this can wait till Friday, more urgent stuff like mentor assignment can't
[21:54:33] <mutante>	and maybe somebody could help me with displaying only those extensions used by at least one wiki... ?  http://pastebin.com/m1fb5ef6a
[21:54:39] <Ryan_Lane>	I'm getting the following error with semantic mediawiki: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_bin,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) ... any ideas on how to fix this?
[21:55:02] <chuck>	!auth
[21:55:02] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[21:56:01] <puck>	RoanKattouw: Nope doesn't work.  The munged username is shoved in the cookie, which doesn't match the external DB so the next page view fails.
[21:57:30] <puck>	ah, the user being created in the MediaWiki DB is the unmunged one.
[22:00:17] <Splarka>	mutante: cool
[22:00:52] <Splarka>	scrapes/aggregates Special:Version (where possible) I am guessing? ^_^
[22:01:06] <RoanKattouw>	or meta=siteinfo&siprop=extensions :D
[22:01:23] <Splarka>	heh, Roan, there are still wikis running 1.3... X_X
[22:01:37] <mutante>	Splarka: yes, it gets Special:Version , and it gets All:Extensions list from mediawiki.org
[22:01:38] <RoanKattouw>	Meh, that's their fault
[22:01:58] <mutante>	Splarka: compares strings then,,, oh well
[22:03:20] <mutante>	Splarka: would you know the MySQL query to list only those extensions used by at least 1 wiki? (looking at the the pastebin link for table structure) ?
[22:03:20] <Splarka>	mutante: where possible (api was first available in 1.8) could it use meta=siteinfo&siprop=extensions ? heh
[22:03:27] *Splarka 	know no mysql
[22:03:45] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Special:Version
[22:03:56] <RoanKattouw>	API since 1.8, siprop=extensions since much, much later
[22:04:05] <mutante>	Splarka: oh, i didnt know about that API stuff to read it.
[22:04:20] <mutante>	do i get something better to identifiy the extension , though?
[22:04:43] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=extensions
[22:04:49] <RoanKattouw>	IIRC you get pretty much the same data that Special:Version provides
[22:04:56] <mutante>	i use the exact string i can put into a http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/$page  link to get to the page of that extension
[22:05:06] <mutante>	to compare against
[22:05:14] *Splarka 	checks somefin
[22:05:54] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=44597
[22:06:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add double redirect list to success page when moving a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18468  summary (10vanderhoorn)
[22:06:17] <Splarka>	hmm
[22:06:18] <RoanKattouw>	Since 1.14 then I guess
[22:06:22] <Splarka>	yah
[22:06:38] <Splarka>	so mutante: be sure to check the version, if 1.14 or greater, you can hit the api (if enabled) for that
[22:07:30] <Splarka>	hmmm
[22:07:37] <Splarka>	actually, someone was asking about that earlier
[22:07:58] <RoanKattouw>	Or just do the request and see what happens
[22:08:10] <mutante>	i aleady check versions ,, yay, ok
[22:08:10] <puck>	RoanKattouw: Right, done.  Now the munged user is created, and you can login using either munged or unmunged.  (munged authenticates locally, unmungeed authenticates remotely)
[22:08:29] <Splarka>	mutante: would a list of wikis with api.php enabled be feasable? 
[22:08:55] <mutante>	http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawikis_html.php?sort=version_asc
[22:09:13] <mutante>	oh, the sorting is broken
[22:09:25] <Splarka>	it was first available in 1.8, and should be in the scriptpath (sibling of index.php), it was not enabled by default until a much later version though...  Starting with 1.12 it was added as a global JS variable: var wgEnableAPI
[22:10:02] <RoanKattouw>	<brokenrecord>or just hit it to check whether it's enabled</brokenrecord.
[22:10:13] <Splarka>	so basically, pre 1.8 no api, 1.8-1.11 hit it to check, 1.12+ check the global variable
[22:10:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create approved Finnish Wikiversity [fi] (January 2009) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16977  (10brion)
[22:10:19] <thedj>	hello
[22:10:21] <mutante>	thanks, will write that down
[22:10:23] <Splarka>	rar thedj
[22:10:24] <RoanKattouw>	In fact, why not grab siteinfo+extensions to get version info adnd extensions all in one go
[22:10:31] <Splarka>	thedj is the one who wanted that info ^_^
[22:10:59] <thedj>	if in any way possible of course.
[22:11:02] <Splarka>	roan: maybe you could make a special module just for s23
[22:11:17] <Splarka>	a combination of Special:Statistics, meta=siteinfo, and anything else he needs
[22:11:36] <RoanKattouw>	That module is called meta=siteinfo :P
[22:11:37] <Splarka>	or.. add everything he needs to meta=siteinfo
[22:11:47] <Splarka>	well
[22:11:52] *mutante 	loves machine-readable URLs, like ?action=raw
[22:11:58] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics?action=raw
[22:12:07] <mutante>	thats what i read all that time
[22:12:08] <Splarka>	heh, that is a rather unique one though
[22:12:15] <Splarka>	I remember when wikia disabled it
[22:12:17] <mutante>	adding the extensions is the new thing
[22:12:19] <Splarka>	you were not happy ^_^
[22:12:48] <Splarka>	oh, almost forgot
[22:12:49] <mutante>	a friend, Mattis, wanted to know which wikis use the RSS extension
[22:12:55] <Splarka>	a list of wikis with var wgEnableWriteAPI enabled would be nice too
[22:12:57] <mutante>	the one to include feeds
[22:13:05] <Genius101>	i know wikipedia does
[22:13:09] <Splarka>	heh
[22:13:15] <mutante>	he wants ALL mediawikis to be able to include feeds
[22:13:20] <Genius101>	sorry talking about mutantes question
[22:13:29] <Splarka>	mutante: I suggested s23.org should do that, and then I noticed he was a regular editor on your wiki, so I felt silly
[22:13:37] <Splarka>	(a few days ago)
[22:13:38] <mutante>	he imagines a huge web of interconnected wikis, including each others feeds
[22:13:53] <Splarka>	when you rss a wiki, you're rssing every wiki that wiki has fed
[22:13:57] <mutante>	he dreams of "Special:WikiFeeds" and "RSS inclusion" per defualt
[22:14:00] <mutante>	for all of them
[22:14:25] <Splarka>	hmm, hey, sort=version_asc
[22:14:58] <Splarka>	possible to have that sort by dot delimited integers rather than string or.. whatever it does
[22:15:05] <Splarka>	so 1.10 > 1.6, etc
[22:15:09] <mutante>	yes, looks like sorted by string
[22:15:20] <mutante>	it just stores strings in DB, because of stuff like:
[22:15:32] <mutante>	"1.10.0 (patched to enable..." bla bla
[22:15:38] <Splarka>	hmm, yah, that would be annoying
[22:16:00] <Splarka>	perhaps split it by '.', and continue up to 3 steps, ignoring any non-parseIntable set
[22:16:13] *Splarka 	shrugs
[22:17:05] <mutante>	yes, it was some minor ToDo on some list
[22:17:17] <mutante>	and now the task list thingie is down :p
[22:17:57] <Splarka>	heh
[22:18:03] <Splarka>	task #1: fix task list
[22:18:43] <mutante>	yea, i wish Atlassian JIRA would be completely free, it rocks
[22:18:51] <mutante>	the free version is limited to 3 users or something
[22:19:03] <chuck>	if it's an open source project you can get a license?
[22:19:06] <flyingparchment>	mutante: enterprise version is free for open source projects
[22:19:12] <flyingparchment>	and non-profits
[22:19:21] <chuck>	*license
[22:19:23] <chuck>	no question mark :P
[22:19:24] <mutante>	yes, i read something like that
[22:19:30] <mutante>	do you think i can get one?
[22:20:27] <mutante>	chuck: its not thaat open, you get a .war/.ear file for Tomcat / JBoss, Java on Mysql, basically all you can edit is the database... hmmm
[22:20:38] <chuck>	I didn't say it was open
[22:20:44] <chuck>	it's proprietary software
[22:20:48] <flyingparchment>	eh?  it supports a lot more than just tomcat/jboss and mysql
[22:20:57] <chuck>	but you can get a license for it if you have an open source project to use with it
[22:20:59] <flyingparchment>	it's just the same as the enterprise version, only difference is you don't get source code
[22:21:02] <chuck>	but you do get the source if you pay for it
[22:21:08] <chuck>	dang
[22:21:12] <chuck>	i type too slow
[22:21:13] <chuck>	:P
[22:21:18] <mutante>	ah, ok
[22:21:22] <chuck>	you also get a t-shirt if you buy it!
[22:21:30] <flyingparchment>	it includes free support, also
[22:21:43] <mutante>	would pay ..around 100
[22:24:17] <chuck>	mutante: I don't even think it's $1,000... Isn't it something like $3,000?
[22:24:52] <mutante>	theey also have an OpenID/Single-Sign-On server, Crowd, it works fine with their wiki and JIRA...
[22:25:31] <mutante>	but the integration between their wiki, COnfluence and JIRA, its not even that much, could be also done just as good with Mediawiki and extension
[22:25:52] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49481 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_Category.php: New format, created by David Loomer and myself
[22:26:31] <mutante>	basically it can just link to tasks in JIRA from wiki pages and vice versa, and if their is password auth it even wants the user/pass in cleartext in the wiki page .. duh
[22:26:53] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49482 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2_Queries.php: David Loomer's change - added SMW sortkey to set of fields retrieved and used per page
[22:26:56] <mutante>	well, and include lists of tasks in wikipages, which are displayed as tables
[22:27:41] <Ryan_Lane>	mutante: crowd auth is meh; why pay for something like that when there is opensso?
[22:28:28] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49483 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_Settings.php): Added new 'category' format
[22:28:32] <mutante>	Ryan_Lane: probably just for companies who want all the products from one company, and support 
[22:28:38] <Splarka>	mutante: a thought, if perhaps you added a link to s23's extension list into the extension infobox on mw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Extension  "find wikis using this extension" or such.. could it be automated? it might have to do a fuzzy string search I suppose
[22:29:59] <mutante>	Splarka: well, every extension has an "id" now, and it would need to link to the URL  mediawiki_extensions.php?id=  < including the id
[22:30:07] <Splarka>	but since you grab http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:All_extensions which uses the titles avaiable to that template as FULLPAGENAME, it should be feasable
[22:30:39] <mutante>	Splarka: so, either it would need a list of those IDs in a wiki page somewhere,... or i would need to make a new query with fulltext search, yes..
[22:30:46] <Splarka>	hmm
[22:31:06] <Splarka>	inserting your internal ID manually to each extension is proibitively annoying to maintain
[22:31:15] <Ryan_Lane>	ugh, why are semantic mediawiki wiki's tables being created with a latin1 charset, while the rest of mediawiki's are being created as binary?
[22:31:20] <Splarka>	prohibitively, damn, I need some heat in this room, can't type
[22:31:35] <Ryan_Lane>	anyone know why this could be happening? is my database set up improperly?
[22:31:52] <^demon>	Ryan_Lane: Does it specify table options like a good extension schema file should?
[22:31:53] <Splarka>	mutante: it'd be really cool anyway, heh
[22:32:03] <mutante>	Splarka: not to each extension page, but maybe a single page with the lookup table for all of them?
[22:32:12] <Splarka>	ew, big #switch
[22:32:18] <mutante>	Splarka: not sure, can templates lookup data from another page, for stuff like that?
[22:32:25] <Splarka>	not efficiently
[22:32:43] <Ryan_Lane>	^demon: i'm looking through the code, i'm not sure yet
[22:32:56] <Splarka>	and not with the number of pages needed in the list, it'd timeout I believe
[22:33:05] <Simetrical>	What are you guys talking about?  Some equivalent of screen-scraping Special:Version?
[22:33:15] <Splarka>	the only way to do it would be manually insert something like s23id= in each {{extension}} call
[22:33:20] <mutante>	Splarka: each page on mediawiki.org wiki has a page id, right?
[22:33:29] <Simetrical>	Oh, something about mediawiki.org?
[22:33:40] <Splarka>	Simetrical: scrollback is your friend ^_^
[22:33:43] <RoanKattouw>	mutante: Every non-deleted page on every wiki has a page ID, yes
[22:33:45] *Simetrical 	tried scrollback
[22:33:49] <mutante>	Splarka: so could i link to the extensions pages on mediawiki.org using their page ID , instead of name?
[22:33:52] <Splarka>	Simetrical: quick summary: s23. aggregating Special:version
[22:34:00] <Splarka>	ahh
[22:34:04] <mutante>	then i should probably use those IDs also as my internal IDs
[22:34:07] <RoanKattouw>	mutante: index.php?curid=123
[22:34:17] <mutante>	IDs to identify a mediawiki extension
[22:34:17] <Simetrical>	Isn't that the revision id?
[22:34:21] <Splarka>	mutante: well, unfortunately, the template doesn't have access to that ID
[22:34:23] <Simetrical>	Why don't you use their name?
[22:34:28] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: curid=pageid, oldid=revid
[22:34:46] <Splarka>	and the ID can change if a page gets deleted/moved, etc
[22:34:54] <Splarka>	(though not very likely)
[22:34:55] <RoanKattouw>	No, not if it's moved
[22:35:01] <RoanKattouw>	Only if deleted and restored again
[22:35:19] <Splarka>	I've seen pages change IDs in the case of history splitting
[22:35:28] <Splarka>	delete, undelete half, move, undelete rest
[22:35:33] <mutante>	Splarka: well ok, i can just add a parameter, eitehr id= or name= ? ;P
[22:35:40] <Splarka>	yah, that'd be best, heh
[22:35:45] <RoanKattouw>	"delete, undelete, ..."  --> I just said that
[22:35:57] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: but move too, as part of that
[22:36:02] <Splarka>	I said "deleted/moved"
[22:36:03] <Ryan_Lane>	^demon: it looks like it isn't...
[22:36:04] <Splarka>	anyway
[22:36:14] <^demon>	Ryan_Lane: Then it's an abomination :)
[22:36:17] <Splarka>	mutante: something like...
[22:36:24] <^demon>	Splarka: Pardon me for asking the blatently obvious question, but why do extensions need id numbers?
[22:36:26] <Splarka>	[http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawiki_extensions.php?title={{FULLPAGENAMEE}} check usage]
[22:36:28] <^demon>	*blatantly
[22:36:34] <Splarka>	^demon: http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawiki_extensions.php
[22:36:57] <Splarka>	that is just what mutante is doing in his beta test of aggregating extensions being used
[22:37:05] <Ryan_Lane>	so, how do I go about making the tables match? :)
[22:37:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Test implementation of FlaggedRevs for the English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18334  +comment (10brion)
[22:37:22] <Simetrical>	Does the API expose a list of extensions being used?
[22:37:31] <Splarka>	/I/ think they should use the pagename as it appears on mw.org, then they could be linked in {{extension}} spiffily
[22:37:42] <Simetrical>	You could assume that the page name is the same as the provided extension name in most cases.
[22:37:43] <^demon>	Simetrical: It can display it, yes.
[22:37:54] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Again, scrollback
[22:37:58] <Splarka>	heh
[22:37:59] <Simetrical>	Stupid scrollback.
[22:38:01] <Splarka>	^demon too
[22:38:24] <^demon>	Splarka: I just joined, lack the scrollback kthnx, not worth loading the logs :)
[22:38:37] <Splarka>	....
[22:38:45] <Splarka>	you're lazy, so stop being lazy, kthx
[22:38:55] <^demon>	I'm not interested enough :p
[22:39:03] <Splarka>	so stop asking questions about it
[22:39:19] *Splarka 	binds ^demon from harming himself or others, with black magics
[22:39:21] <^demon>	I asked 1 question...damn
[22:39:26] <Ryan_Lane>	^demon: is there any way for me to have the extension create the tables properly? is there a mediawiki or mysql change I can make?
[22:39:26] *Splarka 	grins
[22:39:43] <RoanKattouw>	Ryan_Lane: See wikitech-l thread just now
[22:39:57] <^demon>	That I replied to :)
[22:40:18] <Ryan_Lane>	RoanKattouw: of course I'm lucky enough to only subscribe at work :)
[22:40:32] <Ryan_Lane>	s/lucky/dumb/
[22:40:33] *RoanKattouw 	digs up an archive link
[22:40:37] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: We really need to either go 100% with the hook or 100% with the config var...having both is confusing and counterproductive.
[22:40:53] <RoanKattouw>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-April/042613.html
[22:41:06] *RoanKattouw 	sings ^demon the backwards compatibility song
[22:41:27] <^demon>	How do the lyrics go?
[22:41:47] <atglenn>	I dunno but I think there are satanic lyrics in it 
[22:41:58] <RoanKattouw>	Much of it is just BC, BC, BC
[22:42:30] <Ryan_Lane>	RoanKattouw: I'm assuming I'd have to muck around with the smw code? i'm very much trying to avoid that :)
[22:42:40] <Splarka>	Alas, migrate, you do me wrong, to cast vars off discourtously, for I have patched you for so long I think I deserve symptathy...
[22:42:45] <RoanKattouw>	SMW?
[22:42:48] *RoanKattouw 	runs away fast
[22:42:51] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: But for consistency, all current trunk extensions could be unified under one system...just like we've slowly done with extension messages.
[22:42:51] <Ryan_Lane>	heh
[22:43:12] <Splarka>	greenscreen, what did I done, greenscreen what a bad fright
[22:43:15] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Nice, that actually fits the melody
[22:43:26] <Splarka>	(greenscreen  = old wmf error)
[22:43:32] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, I guess it should be
[22:43:38] <^demon>	atglenn: I'm reminded of the temple to Melkor in Númenor.
[22:44:15] <Splarka>	I like back-compat, and I cannot lie, you other coders can't deny, that when a bitty code works with old stuff, you just can't get enough!
[22:44:30] <^demon>	haha.
[22:44:34] <Splarka>	mmm, Sir Fix-A-Lot
[22:44:34] <atglenn>	dang it I have to look it up :-P
[22:45:01] <RoanKattouw>	Damn, that one doesn't fit the melody :(
[22:45:07] <Splarka>	yah yah
[22:45:23] <^demon>	atgleen: Akallabêth from The Silmarillion
[22:45:26] <Splarka>	I am better at medieval bard than proto hip hop
[22:46:36] <mutante>	Splarka: try now ..  http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawiki_extensions.php?name=Extension:Google_Maps
[22:46:40] <^demon>	Splarka, I'll give you a big big cookie if you can remix some well-known song into "The Backwards-Compatibility Song"
[22:47:46] <Splarka>	well-known, bah
[22:47:49] <Splarka>	I hate pop
[22:47:53] <RoanKattouw>	He was doing fine with Greensleeves just now
[22:48:05] <RoanKattouw>	And as far as I'm aware, that's a well-known melody
[22:48:18] <^demon>	I never said pop :)
[22:48:29] <Splarka>	well, gimme an example of well known?
[22:48:34] <Splarka>	other than the Knight Rider theme
[22:48:40] <^demon>	It just needs to be well-known so we can all sing along :D
[22:49:56] <^demon>	I would suggest the Sesame Street theme song, but a gospel singer in the park ruined that for weekend before last.
[22:50:16] <^demon>	*ruined that for me
[22:50:32] <chuck>	How do I see if a user's email address is confirmed?
[22:50:47] <chuck>	(In an extension)
[22:51:10] <RoanKattouw>	chuck: Some function of $wgUser
[22:51:14] <RoanKattouw>	!class User | chuck
[22:51:14] --mwbot--	chuck: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classUser.html
[22:51:15] <Ryan_Lane>	setting my default database character set to utf8 seems to have fixed the problem... (annoying...)
[22:51:34] <Splarka>	$canSend = $this->isEmailConfirmed();
[22:51:35] <Splarka>	 ?
[22:51:39] <^demon>	Ryan_Lane: That would fix it, yes.
[22:51:46] <RoanKattouw>	Yup
[22:51:48] <Splarka>	(something like that, as user.php uses)
[22:51:58] <RoanKattouw>	s/$this/$wgUser probably
[22:52:00] *Splarka 	thinks
[22:52:53] <chuck>	Splarka: thanks
[22:55:05] <Splarka>	This was never the way you planned, not your intention, I got so naive, trunk in hand, lost my direction, it's not what, good devs do, just wanted optimization, I'm furious at you, broke, my installation! I fixed a var and you broke it, the taste of your bitter patch sucks, I fixed a var just to run it, hope you die in a mud pit, it was so wrong, I made it right, don't break back-compatability, I fixed a var and you broke it,... you broke it
[22:55:23] <brion>	o_O
[22:55:50] *Splarka 	blames Roan and ^demon
[22:56:20] <Splarka>	mutante: sweet! sorry, was distracted
[22:56:20] *RoanKattouw 	wonders which melody that's supposed to be to
[22:56:31] <Splarka>	"Katy Perry - I Kissed A Girl"
[22:56:39] <Splarka>	popular pop no? *hate*
[22:57:00] <brion>	bahaha
[22:57:03] <RoanKattouw>	Bleh I probably know that melody but don't connect it with the title
[22:57:36] <Splarka>	mutante: can I add that link to Template:Extension ?
[22:58:01] <Splarka>	[http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawiki_extensions.php?name={{FULLPAGENAMEE}} check usage] ''(experimental)''
[22:58:38] <^demon|away>	HAHAHHAHA
[22:58:48] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: That's very, very nice actually
[22:59:10] <RoanKattouw>	(looking at the original lyrics)
[22:59:20] *Splarka 	glares
[22:59:21] <mutante>	Splarka: arr, well, it didnt work with FULLPAGENAME on a talk page ,, but ,,i think so , yeah
[22:59:40] <RoanKattouw>	I've saved all these song drafts in a text blob, will probably factor them into something readable tomorrow and put it up at MW.org
[22:59:53] <Splarka>	mutante: hmm, FULLPAGENAMEE makes the page escaped, underscores instead of spaces, and some other escaping (I think urlencoding of non-ascii)
[23:00:14] <RoanKattouw>	urlencodes the prefixed DB key IIRC
[23:00:15] <mutante>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Google_Maps#Which_Mediawiki_uses_this_extension.3F
[23:00:59] <mutante>	Splarka: well, i wanted to insert it on Extension_talk, but use something like FULLPAGENAMEE
[23:01:13] <mutante>	to refer to the page belonging to this talk page
[23:01:18] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:01:29] <Splarka>	I think the only good place to do it is Template:Extension
[23:01:43] <chuck>	are there any docs on how to use the pager in an extension?
[23:01:46] <Splarka>	because that's what categorizes pages into Category:All_extensions
[23:01:52] <RoanKattouw>	!class IndexPager | chuck
[23:01:52] --mwbot--	chuck: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classIndexPager.html
[23:02:08] <Splarka>	mutante: you can use the subject magic word
[23:02:28] <Splarka>	{{SUBJECTPAGENAMEE}}
[23:02:49] <Splarka>	that always gives the even-numbered title
[23:02:57] <chuck>	RoanKattouw: other than the doxygen? :'(
[23:03:10] <mutante>	Splarka: so where would it appear then.. checking that Template...
[23:03:16] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:03:19] <Splarka>	I dunno, the bottom maybe
[23:03:28] <Splarka>	until someone figures out a better place for it, or reverts it
[23:03:36] <RoanKattouw>	chuck: Nope
[23:03:45] <chuck>	so do you just extend that IndexPager class?
[23:04:11] *Splarka 	will be bold
[23:04:17] <mutante>	:)
[23:06:47] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:06:56] <RoanKattouw>	chuck: Yes
[23:07:15] <chuck>	wait, i have to supply the HTML and CSS for the buttons and stuff?
[23:07:47] <chuck>	oh maybe tablepager is what I want
[23:14:43] <Splarka>	ack
[23:16:39] <Splarka>	mutante: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Random/extension
[23:17:06] <Splarka>	(may need action=purge)
[23:17:47] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions?action=purge -> http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawiki_extensions.php?name=Extension:ParserFunctions
[23:17:53] <Splarka>	sweet
[23:19:56] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:20:14] <mutante>	Splarka: yeah, i just saw your edits and it seems to work ;)
[23:20:52] <Splarka>	it should not activate on: pages not in the category (check 'nocats') pages not in the Extension namespace (#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:whatever}}...
[23:21:11] <Splarka>	and possibly pages that are subpages... {{ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}...
[23:21:15] <Splarka>	er #ifeq
[23:21:30] *Splarka 	thinks
[23:22:51] <mutante>	i need to go to bed, thanks, and see you later
[23:23:16] <Splarka>	thanks for a great feature
[23:23:22] <Splarka>	if stalkerish ^_^
[23:24:55] *Splarka 	cascades all four checks into one, mwahaha
[23:25:16] <Splarka>	-->{{#if:{{{nousage|{{#ifeq:{{{templatemode|}}}|nocats|no usage|{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:102}}|{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|{{BASEPAGENAME}}||no usage}}|no usage}}}}}}}||<!--
[23:25:48] <Splarka>	will return true if: page is not a basepage, page is not in Extension namespace, paramerer 'templatemode' == 'nocats', or parameter 'nousage' is present
[23:31:32] <saper>	(apply-template if (mapcar 'BASEPAGENAME (filter '...
[23:32:04] <Splarka>	yes yes, turing complete template code sucks
[23:32:57] <TimStarling>	it's not turing complete
[23:33:12] <TimStarling>	not after I fixed that template redirect bug
[23:33:16] <Splarka>	heh
[23:33:31] <saper>	let's switch to lisp
[23:33:37] <Splarka>	server side javascript
[23:33:52] <saper>	but with functional stuff disabled
[23:34:49] <Splarka>	http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawiki_extensions.php?name=Extension:CentralAuth
[23:34:54] <Splarka>	guess he's still working on it, heh
[23:35:22] <TimStarling>	if it were turing complete, then so would be all the examples of non-turing-complete languages in the wikipedia article on turing completeness
[23:37:12] <TimStarling>	mind you, it's a bit of a stretch to argue that any machine with finite memory can be turing complete
[23:40:46] <TimStarling>	if you remove all limits, then you could have a program of infinite length, generated in a particular way to allow it to solve any problem
[23:41:09] <TimStarling>	you could just have a table, giving the output of any enumerated turing machine for any input
[23:41:47] <TimStarling>	the only thing it can't do is fail to halt, which is said to be a property of real turing machines
[23:51:23] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49484 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/fundcore/fundcore.module: Fix gateway ID
[23:52:26] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49485 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/fundcore/fundcore.module: Fix gateway permissions
[23:56:54] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49486 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/fundcore/fundcore.module: Use new D6 method for keys.
[23:57:24] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49487 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/fundcore/fundcore.module: Use new D6 method for keys.
[23:57:50] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49488 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/fundcore/fundcore.module: Use new D6 method for keys.