[00:14:57] <exe___>	can i use templates that are stored on another wiki, linked using interwiki?
[00:16:12] <Splarka>	sorta, but they suck
[00:16:45] <Splarka>	css styles, magic words, parser functions, variables, parameters, almost everything you like in a template won't work
[00:16:48] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding
[00:17:04] <Splarka>	(you also can't transclude anything but Template: namespace pages)
[00:17:53] <Splarka>	(also ignores includeonly/noinclude IIRC)
[00:20:44] <BrandonD>	Can anyone tell me why a wiki can no longer find its own articles, but all the stats say they still exist?
[00:21:21] <exe___>	Splarka: thanks, i will try. the pages i want to move to another wiki are all simple, like http://iswiki.pl/w/Krysicki/2/13/46
[00:51:01] <mischief6>	can anyone tell me how i can use js/ajax on an article page?
[00:51:55] <Splarka>	!js
[00:51:55] --mwbot--	To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (NOT a file, a page on your wiki, which is included via <script>) as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /monobook.js (assuming your skin is monobook) subpage of your userpage.
[00:52:49] <Splarka>	for a specific page, just check the js globla wgPageName
[00:52:56] <Splarka>	^global
[00:53:10] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName == 'Main Page') {}
[00:54:43] <mischief6>	uh, wait, i didn't understand that second part
[00:54:54] <mischief6>	how do i put javascript on a particular page?
[00:55:08] <mischief6>	preferrably inlining it...i don't want JS on *every* page
[00:55:08] <Splarka>	restrict its execution with if()
[00:55:21] <Splarka>	well
[00:55:26] <Splarka>	then you're mucking about with php
[00:55:33] <Splarka>	are you writing an extension?
[00:55:38] <mischief6>	no...
[00:55:49] <Splarka>	okay, go to the page you want the JS on, and view the page source
[00:55:59] <Splarka>	<script type=" text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/
[00:56:03] <Splarka>	var skin = "monobook";
[00:56:12] <Splarka>	look there, a few lines down, for var wgPageName
[00:56:19] <Splarka>	paste that var here
[00:56:43] <CIA-15>	03rememberthedot * r49610 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php): Follow-up to r49330: removed $wgRestrictDisplayTitle from DefaultSettings.php
[00:56:48] <mischief6>	ah
[00:56:49] <mischief6>	i see
[00:57:06] <Splarka>	if you don't want that JS loaded but passive on every page you can do something simple
[00:57:06] <mischief6>	var wgPageName = "RootContest_Wiki:Community_Portal";
[00:57:21] <mischief6>	okay, i get it now. but how do i use JS in the page editor?
[00:57:32] <Splarka>	on action=edit ?
[00:57:45] <mischief6>	yes
[00:57:57] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName == 'RootContest_Wiki:Community_Portal' && (wgAction = 'edit' || wgAction = 'submit')) {}
[00:58:06] <mischief6>	er
[00:58:07] <mischief6>	no no
[00:58:22] <mischief6>	like how do i actually put javascript code into the page editor
[00:58:41] <Splarka>	in the {} there, and put that on MediaWiki:Common.js
[00:58:53] <Splarka>	if you want it inline as a new <script> you'll have to write an extension
[00:59:13] <Splarka>	what do you need to do?
[00:59:20] <mischief6>	um
[00:59:35] <mischief6>	well, i want to use ajax to test connectivity to a remote host
[00:59:46] <Splarka>	right, that doesn't need to be inline
[00:59:53] <Splarka>	if it is a big script you don't wanna load for all pages...
[01:00:00] <mischief6>	but it would make everything drastically easier for me. :|
[01:00:16] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName == 'RootContest_Wiki:Community_Portal' && (wgAction = 'edit' || wgAction = 'submit'))  importScript('MediaWiki:Common.js/portal.js')
[01:00:30] <Splarka>	and then at [[MediaWiki:Common.js/portal.js]] stick in all the JS that will just execute on that page load
[01:00:43] <Splarka>	why? ajax is async, putting it inline is no advantage
[01:01:06] <mischief6>	not exactly inline, but what i meant was i don't want to go around editing other pages
[01:01:16] <mischief6>	i'd like to just put the javascript ON the page i'd like it on..
[01:02:03] <Splarka>	well, mediawiki doesn't work that way, just put it in [[MediaWiki:Common.js/portal.js]] (be sure to call it in addOnloadHook if it manipulates the dom as all js is in <head>) and have it load only for that page for edit/submit
[01:02:06] <Splarka>	or write an extension
[01:02:20] <mischief6>	this seriously should not be this hard
[01:02:24] <Splarka>	it isn't hard!
[01:02:35] <mischief6>	well, it's hard for me to grok.
[01:02:42] <Splarka>	okay, lemme make ya an example
[01:03:01] <mischief6>	hopefully i will understand it, thank you
[01:05:18] <Splarka>	hmm
[01:06:03] <Splarka>	oops
[01:06:31] *Splarka 	fixes typo X_X
[01:09:12] <Splarka>	mischief6: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/RootContest_Wiki:Community_Portal?action=edit
[01:09:39] <mischief6>	there is nothing there :o?
[01:10:02] <Splarka>	got no alert() ?
[01:10:10] <mischief6>	none
[01:10:20] <Splarka>	js enabled? <noscript> disabled? any JS console errors?
[01:10:46] <mischief6>	"You've followed a link to a page that doesn't exist yet."
[01:11:14] <Splarka>	yes yes, but any javascript alert() ? purge browser cache (ctrl+reload)
[01:11:41] <Splarka>	WFM anyway
[01:11:44] <mischief6>	oh
[01:11:46] <mischief6>	now i got it
[01:11:51] <Splarka>	-> http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js&diff=73528&oldid=72538
[01:11:59] <Splarka>	-> http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/rootportaledittest.js
[01:12:41] <Splarka>	that should work just like it is inline, except for document.write* stuff
[01:14:08] <mischief6>	uh, okay
[01:14:31] <mischief6>	so what i want to do is have a javascript function, then call it in the location that i need it
[01:14:33] <mischief6>	not on load. :x
[01:14:57] <Splarka>	for ajax? how does that work?
[01:15:25] <Splarka>	an ajax call generally doesn't halt page loading while waiting for a response
[01:17:54] <mischief6>	mm
[01:18:02] <mischief6>	let me install apache really quick and do some testing
[01:29:11] <thedj_>	oh oh. :D
[01:29:36] <thedj>	Splarka: you have commit rights ?
[01:36:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) IE7 warnings with non-secure logos on secure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18496 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (jayvdb)
[01:36:40] <charitwo>	Splarka and php is like apples and oranges ;)
[01:37:12] <mischief6>	Splarka, what is the purpose of wgAction == 'edit' || wgAction == 'submit' ? only to load the JS if those are what is being done?
[01:37:29] <mischief6>	also, must i do anything to the wiki settings to allow JS in MediaWiki:Common.js to load?
[01:41:29] <Splarka>	mischief6: yes, edit is edit, submit is preview
[01:41:47] <Splarka>	and Common.js is enabled by default (if you have mw 1.7~ or higher)
[01:41:52] <mischief6>	Splarka, so..i want my script to load only when someone visits the page.
[01:42:13] <mischief6>	use view as action?
[01:42:25] <Splarka>	yes
[01:42:39] <Splarka>	wgAction == 'view' || wgAction == 'purge'
[01:42:43] <Splarka>	if you wanna cover most bases
[01:42:50] <Splarka>	/** Use the site's Javascript page? */
[01:42:53] <Splarka>	$wgUseSiteJs = true;
[01:43:09] <Splarka>	in DefaultSettings.php, if you have nothing falsing it in LocalSettings it is enabled
[01:43:23] <mischief6>	what does that affect, must it be on for common.js to work?
[01:43:44] <Splarka>	that loads MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:[skinname].js
[01:43:49] <Splarka>	which is usually MediaWiki:Monobook.js
[01:43:59] <Splarka>	this loads via gen=js in a <script> at the end of your <head>
[01:44:05] <mischief6>	so..it must be 'true'? is it true by default?
[01:44:10] <Splarka>	yes/yes
[01:44:14] <mischief6>	awesome
[01:44:25] <mischief6>	alright, i'm going to see if i can sort this out then
[01:44:27] <Splarka>	and then any sysop (or 'editinterface' user) can edit js
[01:44:38] <mischief6>	i am sysop
[01:44:42] <Splarka>	thedj: what charitwo said, but whatcha wanna change?
[01:56:15] <BrandonD>	Anyone know why my wiki no longer registers categories? The categories all say they have X amount of articles, but when I view them its empty. The articles all still exist with the appropriate category tags
[02:01:42] <thedj>	Splarka: primarily, i wanna know how suddenly en.wp no longer has media="screen,projection", but media="screen" for its <link> includes of CSS.
[02:03:17] <p858snake>	i didn't think the projector mediatype was valid/supported by anything
[02:03:19] <Splarka>	suddenly?
[02:03:34] <thedj>	Splarka: seems to have been there before...
[02:03:52] <thedj>	p858snake: Opera fullscreen mode uses "projection"
[02:03:57] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:04:14] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=38116
[02:04:40] <Splarka>	8 months ago
[02:05:06] <Splarka>	removed from MonoBook.php ->  <style type="text/css" media="screen, projection">/*<![CDATA[*/
[02:05:13] <Splarka>	replaced with a <?php $this->html('csslinks') ?>
[02:05:14] <thedj>	check got it.
[02:05:24] <thedj>	well now Opera fullscreen uses no CSS :D
[02:05:30] <Splarka>	which casll  $tpl->set( 'csslinks', $this->buildCssLinks() );
[02:05:32] <Splarka>	calls
[02:05:39] <Splarka>	blame brion ^_^
[02:06:05] <Splarka>	BrandonD: job queue maybe?
[02:06:38] <BrandonD>	There are none
[02:06:56] <Splarka>	null edit to the page doesn't put it in the cat?
[02:07:02] <thedj>	this raises an interesting issue btw. We have 0 CSS for !(handheld|screen|print)
[02:07:05] <Splarka>	action=purge on the cat?
[02:07:22] <BrandonD>	er, I'm sort of new to this. I dont know what that means, sorry
[02:07:22] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:07:33] <Splarka>	no open bugs about it I see. open one TheWoozle
[02:07:34] <Splarka>	er thedj
[02:07:40] *Splarka 	gets tabpwn'd
[02:12:07] <BrandonD>	I think I know why theres a problem, should the ImageLinks database table constantly be in use?
[02:12:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) No skin used for Opera fullscreen. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18497 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (hartman)
[02:44:23] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) redirect jira.ts.wikimedia.org & fisheye.ts.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18495  +comment (10river)
[04:38:03] <CIA-15>	03laner * r49611 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticTasks/ (8 files): Adding current version (1.0) of SemanticTasks.
[04:52:23] <CIA-15>	03laner * r49612 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticTasks/ (3 files): 
[04:52:23] <CIA-15>	* Fix for compatibility with SemanticMediaWiki 1.4
[04:52:23] <CIA-15>	* Clean up formatting to more closely match MediaWiki's formatting standards
[04:52:23] <CIA-15>	* Upped version to 1.1
[05:27:20] <CIA-15>	03sergeychernyshev * r49613 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (25 files in 3 dirs): Added provider buttons to the OpenID login page with optional icons ($wgOpenIDShowProviderIcons)
[05:46:06] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Split the pywikipedia list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18388  +comment (10nicdumz)
[05:50:11] <CIA-15>	03sergeychernyshev * r49614 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (OpenID.setup.php README): Releasing 0.8.4 OpenID Provider UI
[06:01:24] <CIA-15>	03sergeychernyshev * r49615 10/tags/extensions/OpenID/REL_0_8_4/ (6 files): Releasing 0.8.4 - OpenID Provider UI
[06:09:02] <p858snake>	where do i find the wikipedia db dumps again?
[06:11:26] <Totengeist>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_database (?)
[06:23:51] <CIA-15>	03sergeychernyshev * r49616 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/OpenID.setup.php: Returning logo variable back, just pointing locally now.
[06:24:45] <oat>	Hi I'm trying to install the myblog extension on mediawiki 1.13.3 and I get the following error http://rafb.net/p/upatmU95.html
[06:28:27] <CIA-15>	03sergeychernyshev * r49617 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (OpenID.setup.php README): 0.8.4.1 - Post-release fix to broken icon on user's page.
[06:29:02] <CIA-15>	03sergeychernyshev * r49618 10/tags/extensions/OpenID/REL_0_8_4_1/ (6 files): 0.8.4.1 Post-release fix to broken icon on user's page.
[07:01:03] <Bloodrayne>	hi how do i change the color of the border in a table?  I can't seem to get it right
[07:04:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Good UI for OpenID login interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17631  +comment (10sergey.chernyshev)
[07:07:50] <Marybelle>	Bloodrayne: style="border:1px solid #color;"
[07:08:47] <Bloodrayne>	thanks Marybelle
[07:22:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Localized namespaces for mt.wp (2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18498 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (djchris_portelli)
[07:33:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localized namespaces for mt.wp (2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18498  (10p858snake)
[07:38:01] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49619 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[07:38:01] <CIA-15>	Cleanup for new extension added per r49611:
[07:38:01] <CIA-15>	* Prefix message keys with extension name to avoid conflicts with message keys from other extensions
[07:38:01] <CIA-15>	* Enable PLURAL for 'semantictasks-reminder-message'
[07:38:01] <CIA-15>	* Tweak English messages a bit
[07:38:02] <CIA-15>	* Add description message
[07:38:04] <CIA-15>	* Remove useless ?>
[07:49:09] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49620 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/OpenID.setup.php: Quick fix for r49613, comment UserLoginForm hook for now since OpenID.hooks.php was not commited
[08:29:27] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49621 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticTasks/ (4 files): 
[08:29:27] <CIA-15>	* add FIXMEs
[08:29:27] <CIA-15>	* update extension description
[08:29:27] <CIA-15>	* fix indentation, remove trailing whitespace, stylize.php
[08:37:24] <lyhana8>	hi, i want to custom my personnal wiki. I heard about the monobook.css but don't know where it is. I also want to edit the navigation menu
[08:38:07] <flyingparchment>	[[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] is a page on your wiki
[08:38:14] <flyingparchment>	and you can edit [[MediaWiki:sidebar]] to change the sidebar
[08:39:08] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49622 10/trunk/extensions/ (7 files in 4 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[08:39:29] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49623 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (14 files): update indentation, remove trailing whitespace, stylize.php
[08:40:54] <lyhana8>	flyingparchment: I want to redesign the whole site, the monobook.css is just an addon, isn't it ?
[08:42:22] <Splarka>	try ?useskin=myskin to see what a lack of monobook.css looks like
[08:42:44] <flyingparchment>	then copy skins/monobook.php to another name and edit it
[08:42:55] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar?useskin=myskin
[08:43:30] <lyhana8>	Splarka: I what to remove some entry in the Sidebar, remove the Toolbox and change the global CSS.
[08:44:06] <Splarka>	pretty easy to do that with what river said
[08:44:22] <Splarka>	(earlier, that is, edit sidebar/css)
[08:45:09] <lyhana8>	Splarka: but Mediawiki:Sidebar use keywords, where do I find the complete list ?
[08:46:24] <Splarka>	there are 3: "SEARCH" "TOOLBOX" "LANGUAGES"
[08:46:28] <Splarka>	that's the whole list
[08:46:47] <Splarka>	the rest refer to MediaWiki messages which you can edit/create, or just use literal links/text if you don't need to translate
[08:50:19] <lyhana8>	Splarka: I mean this : 
[08:50:19] <lyhana8>	navigation
[08:50:19] <lyhana8>	    * mainpage|mainpage
[08:50:19] <lyhana8>	    * portal-url|portal 
[08:50:19] <lyhana8>	...
[08:50:53] <Splarka>	link from: MediaWiki:Mainpage  text from: MediaWiki:Mainpage 
[08:51:09] <Splarka>	link from: MediaWiki:portal-url  text from: MediaWiki:portal
[08:51:42] <Splarka>	!sidebar
[08:51:42] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[08:53:42] <Splarka>	link text is translated based on user pref language, link is not unless forced
[08:54:16] <lyhana8>	ok
[08:54:16] <Splarka>	you can just use... * Main Page|Main Page... and have no translation applied
[09:03:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow displaying of enhanced RC by URL parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18499 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: RecentChanges; (danny.b)
[09:03:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database dump processes halted since 26-Feb-09 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17535  (10andreasmeier80)
[09:03:50] <Danny_B>	where are those login/logout icons for central login/logout generated?
[09:07:32] <Nikerabbit>	hi danny
[09:07:39] <Danny_B>	hi Nikerabbit 
[09:11:27] <lyhana8>	how could I know which version of mediawiki is used ?
[09:12:31] <Emufarmers>	Special:Version
[09:12:46] <Nikerabbit>	bah, you beat me
[09:14:44] <Danny_B>	lyhana8: or meta generator tag in source code of the page
[09:16:02] <Nikerabbit>	mediawiki doesn't use that?
[09:17:24] <Emufarmers>	Nikerabbit: take a look for yourself :p
[09:19:30] <Nikerabbit>	emu i can't
[09:19:58] <Nikerabbit>	i hope search engines don't find them
[09:20:52] <Emufarmers>	Nikerabbit: you don't have a browser?
[09:21:05] <lyhana8>	Emufarmers: Danny_B the Special:Version is ok
[09:21:06] <Emufarmers>	And search engines alraedy index the "powered by MediaWiki" bit
[09:21:10] <Emufarmers>	it's trivial to check Special:Version after that
[09:21:16] <lyhana8>	s/ok/fine/
[09:21:23] <Splarka>	anyway
[09:21:24] <Splarka>			var wgVersion = "1.15alpha";
[09:21:24] <Emufarmers>	<meta name="generator" content="MediaWiki 1.15alpha" /> (for enwp)
[09:21:25] <Nikerabbit>	i'm on phone right now
[09:21:36] <Splarka>	shows up in several places
[09:22:19] <Nikerabbit>	emu: but it should not be possible to just ssearch for vulnerable versions
[09:22:25] <flyingparchment>	you know, we should probably do another mediawiki security audit some day
[09:22:29] <flyingparchment>	i think the last was during 1.3
[09:22:46] <Splarka>	search for vulnerable versions like this?> http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawikis_html.php?sort=version_asc
[09:23:24] <Nikerabbit>	well that is opt-in in't it?
[09:23:27] <Splarka>	quite a few running 1.3 and 1.4
[09:23:28] <Splarka>	heh
[09:23:48] <Splarka>	also, mutante recently started scraping extensions, it's pretty cool
[09:24:11] <Nikerabbit>	uuh
[09:24:11] <Emufarmers>	Nikerabbit: it's not really any harder than searching for MediaWiki installations and then just narrowing them down to vulnerable ones by checking the source or Special:Version
[09:24:22] <Emufarmers>	just takes more computational power
[09:24:24] <Splarka>	http://s23.org/wikistats/mediawiki_extensions.php?name=Extension:Google_Maps
[09:24:24] <Nikerabbit>	extensiom sage stats, i want that!
[09:24:36] <Nikerabbit>	emu yes it is
[09:24:47] <Emufarmers>	But I don't think search engines index by generator tags anyway, so...
[09:24:56] <flyingparchment>	http://openfacts.berlios.de/index.phtml?title=Hauptseite
[09:25:06] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: I added a link to [[mw:Template:Extension]] for "check usage"
[09:25:23] *rainman-sr 	is pinged every time someone says "search" :p
[09:25:24] <Nikerabbit>	there must be reason why special:version is not indexed
[09:25:37] <Emufarmers>	Well, most special pages aren't
[09:25:41] <Emufarmers>	right?
[09:35:45] <Emufarmers>	flyingparchment: an internal audit, or hiring an outside agency?
[09:37:05] <Nikerabbit>	didn't tim play with the some tool?
[09:40:01] <Marybelle>	That was for PHP issues in extensions, I think.
[09:45:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Split the pywikipedia list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18388  +comment (10nicdumz)
[10:41:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images on shared repositories can't be protected by cascading protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  (10royal_broil)
[10:44:27] <aib>	why does the Cortado played video look so awful compared to mplayer?
[10:46:37] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49624 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticTasks/ST_Notify_Assignment.php: Follow up r49611/r49619: Use formatNum for numbers.
[10:58:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images on shared repositories can't be protected by cascading protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  (10royal_broil)
[11:04:34] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49625 10/trunk/extensions/ImportUsers/SpecialImportUsers.i18n.php: 
[11:04:34] <CIA-15>	Tweak message 'importusers-log' to avoid confusion with the import log for pages from core.
[11:04:34] <CIA-15>	Per suggestion of EugeneZelenko from translatewiki.net
[11:04:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Apostrophe in media name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18500 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (g.m.hagedorn)
[11:14:50] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49626 10/trunk/extensions/regexBlock/regexBlock.i18n.php: Remove unused message. Spotted by Purodha Blissenbachat translatewiki.net
[11:24:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images on shared repositories can't be protected by cascading protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  (10royal_broil)
[11:25:10] <Splarka>	we gots regressions?
[11:25:47] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Insigne_de_l%27ETAP.jpg&wpForReUpload=1
[11:25:50] <Splarka>	<td class='mw-input'><input tabindex='2' type='hidden' name='wpDestFile' id='wpDestFile' 
[11:25:50] <Splarka>						value='Insigne_de_l'ETAP.jpg' />
[11:26:01] <Splarka>	this was supposedly fixed in  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49051
[11:26:20] <Splarka>	oh, dur, not scapped yet
[11:27:53] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Apostrophe in media name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18500  +comment (10herd)
[11:27:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single quote in file name confuses reupload form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18263  +comment (10herd)
[12:15:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single quote in file name confuses reupload form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18263  (10g.m.hagedorn)
[12:18:43] <Nikerabbit>	Marybelle: huh?
[12:24:02] <Splarka>	can someone answer https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18263#c3 a bit politely?
[12:24:08] *Splarka 	sighs
[12:25:14] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: politely that it is common practise to close bugs?
[12:25:46] <Splarka>	and that scaps are infrequent rather than hourly
[12:26:03] <Splarka>	at least they didn't reopen the bug...yet
[12:26:08] *Splarka 	starts the stopwatch
[12:28:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single quote in file name confuses reupload form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18263  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[12:28:55] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: is that ok?
[12:30:53] *Splarka 	gives Nikerabbit a cookie <3
[12:30:55] <Splarka>	ta
[12:38:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images on shared repositories can't be protected by cascading protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  (10royal_broil)
[12:49:29] <BigMusicMan>	hi all
[12:51:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oracle Single Schema database abstraction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18492  +comment (10freak)
[12:54:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) please move namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18501 trivial; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (wmr89502270)
[12:56:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images on shared repositories can't be protected by cascading protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  (10agarrett)
[13:00:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Official Korean name for Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16217  high->highest (10acc611)
[13:00:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images on shared repositories can't be protected by cascading protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  +comment (10p858snake)
[13:01:44] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: what happened to the suggestion at removing the priority field?
[13:02:25] <Splarka>	Tim looked into it and found it basically impossible without hacking the source code
[13:02:34] <Splarka>	so I opened a bug to reinstate it in the bug creation form
[13:02:48] <p858snake>	wtf @ b16217... four people in the poll, srsly wtf
[13:02:57] <Splarka>	since it is stupid to remove it just there, since it encourages a second edit after bug creation just to increase it
[13:03:31] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: reinstate?
[13:03:47] <Nikerabbit>	just remove it fully
[13:03:59] <Splarka>	can't
[13:04:11] <Splarka>	or at least, not without a lot of work
[13:04:24] <Splarka>	so it is better to have consistency until it can be removed!
[13:04:31] <Nikerabbit>	how comes mozilla does not have it
[13:04:36] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17895
[13:05:00] <p858snake>	Nikerabbit: they probably just cut it out of the skin
[13:05:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Error: za wp i18n change to Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18502 major; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (shizhao)
[13:05:15] <p858snake>	it will probably be still in there for them just not visible
[13:05:27] <Nikerabbit>	kde does not have it changeable
[13:05:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error: za wp i18n change to Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18502  +comment (10shizhao)
[13:06:11] <Splarka>	ack, speak of the dev, null
[13:06:41] <Nikerabbit>	gosh wtf is that bug
[13:06:43] <Splarka>	maybe Tim can re-iterate the story behind the problems of removing the 'priority' field if we bribe him with cookies
[13:07:20] <Nikerabbit>	var wgContentLanguage = "za";
[13:07:23] <p858snake>	what about bribing him with not bringing down the wp servers again, i ain't sharing mah cookies
[13:07:26] <p858snake>	>.>
[13:07:39] <lyhana8>	hi, how could I had a news CSS template ?
[13:08:23] <Nikerabbit>	no changes to messagesZa in ages
[13:11:30] <lyhana8>	I copied the monobook/ folder and the monobook files, rename them but the style doens't change. It seem to fall back on monobook CSS :S
[13:14:16] <lyhana8>	someone here ?
[13:14:38] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[13:14:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error: za wp i18n change to Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18502  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:21:36] <lyhana8>	how do I create a news skin ?
[13:22:02] <lyhana8>	is there an interface or should I do it handly ?
[13:23:24] <Wuzur|rhn>	lyhana8: You need to do it by hand, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[13:25:13] <lyhana8>	Wuzur|rhn: yep, i found it 2 min ago
[13:25:26] <Wuzur|rhn>	:)
[13:31:43] <Nikerabbit>	I hate windows
[13:31:48] <Nikerabbit>	it doesn't let me use my own computer
[13:35:08] <chuck>	What's a good interval to run jobs at if I'm using the cron?
[13:37:14] <lyhana8>	chuck: depend on the task you want to do
[13:38:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add link to filtered Abuse filter log on Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18423  +comment (10stwalkerster)
[13:38:34] <chuck>	What do you mean?
[13:39:36] <Nikerabbit>	runjobs.php?
[13:39:48] <lyhana8>	oh~
[13:40:11] <Nikerabbit>	small wiki every 10 minutes? big wiki, ever hour?
[13:41:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Upload a new version of this file" completely and totally broken. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18503 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (cuerden)
[13:43:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Upload a new version of this file" completely and totally broken. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18503  normal->highest (10cuerden)
[13:44:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnailing produces much worse results for PNGs than JPG, but PNG is the only real option for serious restoration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18014  (10cuerden)
[13:44:26] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit ^ normal->highest
[13:44:46] <Splarka>	better to have 'highest' in the new bug than useless extra emails/echoes
[13:45:13] <Splarka>	> This does not affect normal upload, so it's merely awful, instead of destroying
[13:45:13] <Splarka>	Wikipedia completely. But please, please fix this quickly.
[13:46:09] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) "Upload a new version of this file" completely and totally broken for files with apostrophes in title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18503  summary; +comment (10herd)
[13:46:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single quote in file name confuses reupload form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18263  +comment (10herd)
[13:46:20] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[13:46:26] <Nikerabbit>	thanks
[13:46:36] <Splarka>	heh
[13:46:50] *Splarka 	starts stopwatch for them to reopen one of those two bugs
[13:49:04] <Nikerabbit>	how many stopwatches do you have?
[13:49:22] <Splarka>	18,503
[13:49:35] <stwalkerster>	hah
[13:49:59] *stwalkerster 	starts one of splarka's stopwatches to see how long it takes for him to have 1M stopwatches
[13:50:28] <venllc>	is there any less formal alternative to mediawiki?
[13:50:40] <venllc>	something that end users can use without ever having seen a wiki before
[13:50:48] <Splarka>	depends on what you want
[13:51:09] <Splarka>	a cms, a forum, a wiki, some software popular on many websites, a webpage, a blog, a journal...
[13:51:09] <venllc>	i just want simple
[13:51:33] <venllc>	i use joomla cms and already have a forum etc
[13:51:39] <venllc>	i just want to add a wiki
[13:51:51] <Splarka>	!compare
[13:51:51] --mwbot--	For a comparison of wiki software, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software> and <http://www.wikimatrix.org/>
[13:52:20] <venllc>	ah good link thanks
[13:52:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images on shared repositories can't be protected by cascading protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  (10royal_broil)
[13:52:28] <Splarka>	the thing about wiki software is, you are unlikely to get an unbiased opinion from the main users of one of them
[13:52:47] <Splarka>	it is like asking dvorak users "which is better, querty or dvorak?"
[13:53:14] <Splarka>	mediawiki users are so used to mediawiki wikicode that many other markups seem foreign and counterintutive
[13:54:18] <Splarka>	and with a wiki, the more people that use the same software as you, the more people educated in your favored method of markup there will be, and the more general improvements that will happen to those wikis will beget... or something
[13:54:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Images on shared repositories can't be protected by cascading protection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  (10agarrett)
[13:59:28] <breit>	i have a problem with my new mediawiki installation: if i set the $wgLanguageCode = "en"; everything works fine, but if i set it to $wgLanguageCode = "de"; i only get a white page with nothing on it...
[13:59:47] <Nikerabbit>	what is your memory limit?
[13:59:52] <Nikerabbit>	check the error log
[14:00:18] <breit>	Nikerabbit: i cant check my error log, thats the problem...
[14:01:13] <breit>	memory_limit was at 20 mb
[14:01:38] <breit>	i put it to 32 mb (max.)
[14:05:28] <breit>	dawm! it works! :)
[14:05:45] <breit>	thank you!!
[14:08:56] <CIA-15>	03philip * r49627 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[14:39:58] <davidfetter>	hello
[14:41:08] <davidfetter>	i'm on fedora 10, and am trying to figure out how to get mediawiki/postgres going.
[14:42:15] <davidfetter>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Fedora_Core <-- this doesn't help much :P
[14:44:02] <davidfetter>	anybody got a pointer to more recent docs?
[14:44:14] <davidfetter>	i'm running apache, fwiw
[14:48:33] <flohack>	Does someone know the nick of Aaron Schultz or Joerg Baach, or FlaggedRevs fame?
[14:48:41] <flohack>	of FlaggedRevs fame?
[14:49:36] <GerardM>	You could check out http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[15:20:22] <PiRK4>	hi
[15:28:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No skin used for Opera fullscreen. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18497  +comment (10lucideer)
[15:43:29] <PiRK67>	hi everybody
[15:44:12] <PiRK67>	I have a problem while installing MediaWiki 1.14
[15:44:46] <PiRK67>	probably a php version problem because the default version is 4.
[15:46:13] <PiRK67>	do you know if adding SetEnv PHP_VER 5 in the .htaccess file is good enough to fix the problem ?
[15:47:14] <PiRK67>	because i get a "500 Internal Server Error" when i try 
[16:02:00] <Marybelle>	Nikerabbit: I thought Tim's security audit only focused on PHP vulnerabilities and security issues in extensions.
[16:03:04] <leafnode>	:)
[16:47:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Extension conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18504 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (michel.starkier)
[16:47:57] <Yorlik>	I updated my wiki to 1.14 and now have some odd problems: the line (---) Does not get shown and leafds to an error why trying to save a page: "You don't have permission to access /dwiki/index.php on this server.". An image does n ot get shown when using the [[image:imagename]] syntax, but just a link to an upload page (the image exists - I could manuall see it. What could be wrong ?
[16:47:58] <Nikerabbit>	Marybelle: no, it focused on non-escaped user input?
[16:48:08] <Marybelle>	Nikerabbit: In core MediaWiki?
[16:48:56] <Marybelle>	Yorlik: Sounds like two unrelated issues.
[16:49:11] <Marybelle>	The first may be preferences related. Have you tried adding ---- while logged out?
[16:49:24] <Yorlik>	I was logged in as editot 
[16:49:34] <Marybelle>	The second sounds like a thumbnailing issue maybe?
[16:49:34] <Yorlik>	I can edit other things without problem
[16:49:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extension conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18504  (10michel.starkier)
[16:49:59] <Yorlik>	  /usr/bin/convert is installe 8Imagick) and configured in the settings
[16:50:44] <Yorlik>	Marybelle: Users not logged it can't do anything - its all limited to users/editors - its a developer wiki
[16:50:59] <Yorlik>	I ca change text, just not the mentioned above
[16:57:31] <Emufarmers>	Yorlik: mod_security?
[16:57:39] <Yorlik>	no
[16:58:12] <Platonides>	some protection extension?
[16:59:10] <Yorlik>	Nothing - I'm checking file rights right now
[16:59:26] <Yorlik>	The odd thing is i can edit text, but not the line (----)
[17:03:12] <Emufarmers>	Sure sounds like mod_security to me
[17:03:49] <Yorlik>	The only mod I have is Auth_Druüpal, and it works nicely
[17:04:01] <Yorlik>	Auth_Drupal
[17:05:03] <Emufarmers>	You don't have mod_mime?
[17:05:16] <Yorlik>	No 
[17:05:34] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49628 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/example_usage/ (sample_page.php sample_playlists.php): fixed php open tags for better compatibility
[17:06:03] <Yorlik>	Another funny thing is, that 
[17:06:04] <Yorlik>	[[Image:http://www.myorgdomain.org/dwiki/images/d/d3/Layout.png]]
[17:06:06] <Yorlik>	gets rendered as
[17:06:07] <Yorlik>	File:http://www.myorgdomain.org/dwiki/images/d/d3/Layout.png
[17:06:46] <Emufarmers>	Uh, you're running Apache?
[17:06:53] <Yorlik>	Apache 2.2
[17:07:35] <Emufarmers>	What OS?
[17:07:43] <Yorlik>	OpenSolaris
[17:07:46] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49629 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (mvwScriptLoader.php simpleScriptLoader.php): stubs for "simpleScriptLoader" for stand alone mv_embed usage
[17:08:57] <Platonides>	Yorlik, that's not the expected syntax
[17:09:08] <Platonides>	you should use  [[Image:Layout.png]]
[17:09:12] <Yorlik>	Ooops?
[17:10:09] <Yorlik>	Oh crap ! You are right !
[17:10:15] <Yorlik>	Fixed it ! - lol -- 
[17:10:41] <Platonides>	you also fixed the ---- ?
[17:10:45] <Yorlik>	But I still wonder about that --- problem
[17:11:08] <Yorlik>	Still gives me an error abpout 1ndex.php not allowed
[17:11:14] <shortc|desk>	Need a little help...
[17:11:33] <shortc|desk>	I seem to be getting an extreme amount of traffic, and my poor little 256MB slice is getting thrashed.
[17:12:08] <shortc|desk>	I'm looking at eight apache processes, each with >250 MB of virtual memory allocated.
[17:12:31] <Emufarmers>	sortc|desk: you on SliceHost?
[17:12:36] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: Yeah.
[17:13:00] <Emufarmers>	Try switching to the Apache worker mpm
[17:13:17] <shortc|desk>	mpm?
[17:13:25] <Emufarmers>	You're running Ubuntu, right?
[17:13:27] <chuck>	shortc|desk: How much do you pay a month for that slice?
[17:13:39] <Emufarmers>	$20 :p
[17:13:44] <shortc|desk>	chuck: $25, including backups.
[17:14:32] <Emufarmers>	Also, what's thrasing?  Are you running out of memory?
[17:14:35] <chuck>	This probably isn't a good time for you to migrate to a new VPS provider (;-) but Linode has a really great service, and they've got a 360MB memory server for $20
[17:14:36] <Emufarmers>	*thrashing
[17:14:53] <chuck>	Not sure about how the other specs compare, but I'm pretty happy with them
[17:15:32] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: It *looks* like I'm hitting swap hard.  I'm using 350MB out of 500MB.
[17:15:49] <Emufarmers>	And you're using Ubuntu?
[17:15:57] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: top tells me 35% of my CPU time is waiting on I/O.
[17:16:21] <shortc|desk>	That *might* have something to do with the several concurrent calls to imagemagick for a large animated GIF, though.
[17:16:44] <Emufarmers>	Also, you've looked at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Cache (though caching isn't necessarily going to help if you're running out of memory)
[17:17:10] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: Yeah.  memcached was disabled.  I reenabled it, but there's no memory for it to cache to.
[17:17:26] <shortc|desk>	I'm thinking about enabling CACHE_ANYTHING, just to see if it works.
[17:17:26] <Emufarmers>	What about APC/eAccelerator/xcache?
[17:17:56] <shortc|desk>	You mentioned mpm.  Which module in mods-available is that?  grep didn't tell me anything useful.
[17:18:07] <shortc|desk>	I've never looked into those.
[17:18:08] <Emufarmers>	it's not an Apache module
[17:18:14] <chuck>	shortc|desk: I think it's a separate apache package you'd install
[17:18:19] <chuck>	it's a different binary or something like that
[17:18:21] <Emufarmers>	it's, uh,
[17:18:26] <Emufarmers>	A "Multi-Processing Module"
[17:18:44] <Emufarmers>	Anywho, it's the apt-get package apache2-mpm-worker
[17:24:07] <shortc|desk>	Ok...apache is refusing to come back up.
[17:24:23] <shortc|desk>	Says it can't bind to port 80.  I can't see anything running that would be bound to it, though.
[17:24:40] <shortc|desk>	lsof didn't tell me anything.
[17:24:55] <Emufarmers>	Are you using sudo?
[17:25:46] *shortc|desk 	blushes
[17:25:53] <shortc|desk>	Yeah, that was the error.
[17:26:00] <Emufarmers>	:)
[17:26:41] <Emufarmers>	You can just sudo su root for a little while
[17:27:21] <shortc|desk>	It removed php5?!
[17:27:47] <Emufarmers>	Well, you're supposed to read it when it lists the things it's gonna remove :)
[17:27:48] <Emufarmers>	but yeah
[17:27:53] <shortc|desk>	Apparently, mpm conflicts.
[17:27:58] <shortc|desk>	Mm.
[17:28:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow Usernames starting with lower case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18505 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (subfader)
[17:28:12] <Emufarmers>	You're not supposed to use the php5 module with mpm-worker; you're supposed to use CGI (fcgi's good) instead
[17:28:20] <shortc|desk>	gotcha.
[17:29:12] <Emufarmers>	You actually can run the php5 module if you install it yourself; I did a little reading when I switched to worker and some people have apparently run them together without any problem
[17:29:39] <Emufarmers>	But yeah, you probably want fcgi
[17:37:40] <shortc|desk>	Sigh...So now how do I get it to process .php files again?  I've never configured CGI. :-/
[17:38:18] <chzz>	q are the more 'standard' templates, such as {{if}}, available as an extension to mediawiki? or are they all created manually on every wiki?
[17:38:21] <shortc|desk>	I've installed php5-cgi, but my pages are getting served up raw, rather than downloaded.
[17:38:49] <shortc|desk>	chzz: "parser extensions"
[17:39:03] <shortc|desk>	I'd give you a link, but I'm knee deep in a down server.
[17:39:05] <Platonides>	chzz, install parserfunctions
[17:39:10] <Platonides>	!parserfunctions
[17:39:10] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[17:39:10] <chzz>	ty folks
[17:40:30] <Emufarmers>	shortc|desk: apt-get install libapache2-mod-fcgid
[17:40:35] <chzz>	thx Platonides, perfect.
[17:40:56] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: Already done.
[17:40:59] <Emufarmers>	then in httpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/m3b0ff648
[17:41:07] <shortc|desk>	Also added fcgid.conf and fcgid.load to mods-enabled, and did a force-reload.
[17:41:11] <shortc|desk>	ah.
[17:44:59] <Danny_B>	hmm, why special:prefixindex behaves the same as special:allpages now? :-(
[17:48:05] <shortc|desk>	Still no joy.
[17:48:27] <Emufarmers>	Restart Apache?
[17:48:40] <Emufarmers>	Also, you know you have to change /var/www/domain right?
[17:49:04] <shortc|desk>	http://pastebin.com/d1fdf1eb2
[17:49:27] <shortc|desk>	I've reloaded, force-reloaded, and restarted apache.
[17:49:48] <Emufarmers>	It's working: you're just running out of memory
[17:50:05] <Emufarmers>	That is, you're hitting php's memory limit
[17:54:16] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: I bumped it back up to what I had with mod_php, and I'm still getting the same problem.  It doesn't look like the mime type is being handled.  Navigate to http://rosettacode.org , and you'll see what I mean.
[17:54:50] <Emufarmers>	I already did; how do you think I knew you were out of memory? ;)
[17:54:53] <Emufarmers>	And it'is working fine for me
[17:55:04] <shortc|desk>	Weird.
[17:55:16] <shortc|desk>	Doh.
[17:55:24] <shortc|desk>	I bet Firefox cached the broken response.
[17:57:09] <Emufarmers>	Neat site, by the way
[17:57:58] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: Thanks. :-)
[17:58:17] <Emufarmers>	How's the memory usage now?
[17:58:22] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49630 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (5 files in 4 dirs): renamed libEmbedObj to libEmbedVideo
[17:58:40] <shortc|desk>	Wow, that came up faster than usual.
[17:59:00] <Emufarmers>	Funny how that works :D
[17:59:36] <shortc|desk>	219MB out of 256MB.  Still some swap usage, but I don't see any CPU time waiting on I/O, so I'm not worried about it.
[18:00:49] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: Yeah, I went through this once before a couple years ago...Got me thrown off of Dreamhost.  Everyone at the time said it was because DH was using fcgi, which is why I've been sticking with mod_php for so long.
[18:01:44] <Emufarmers>	Eh, I set up fcgi myself on DH.  Kind of a pain when you have to compile things yourself...
[18:02:24] <merriam_>	shortc|desk: thrown off?
[18:02:43] <Emufarmers>	merriam_: under shared hosting you get in trouble if you suck up too much CPU
[18:02:55] <merriam_>	And then they warn you...
[18:03:10] <shortc|desk>	merriam_: I can send you the Google Analytics data of what it looks like if you hit the front page of Slashdot, go down for several hours, then come back up on a different server while the dotting is still taking place. :-)
[18:03:40] <merriam_>	with mediawiki?  Well that would be a lot of cpu.
[18:04:04] <Emufarmers>	MediaWik is pretty heavy by default, especially on shared hosting if you don't have a PHP cache
[18:04:05] <merriam_>	How did you get slashdotted?
[18:04:07] <shortc|desk>	merriam_: That shared hosting account didn't leave a lot of room for optimization.
[18:04:19] <Emufarmers>	DH is better than most, though, since you have shell access
[18:04:25] <shortc|desk>	merriam_: I submitted the link mere hours after I first got it set up.
[18:04:33] <merriam_>	what link?
[18:04:41] <shortc|desk>	I didn't know squat about running servers back then.
[18:04:42] <Emufarmers>	You actually can set up eAccelerator on DH, though, again, it's a pain
[18:04:54] <shortc|desk>	merriam_: Hold on a sec...
[18:05:07] <CIA-15>	03catrope * r49631 10/branches/querypage-work/ (26 files in 3 dirs): 
[18:05:07] <CIA-15>	* querypage-work: Migrate all QueryPage subclasses to getQueryInfo()
[18:05:07] <CIA-15>	* Implement Mostrevisionspage as a subclass of Fewestrevisionpages
[18:05:33] <shortc|desk>	http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/21/1410208
[18:06:23] <merriam_>	shortc|desk: so you have different hosting now?
[18:06:35] <shortc|desk>	merriam_: I've switched hosting three times since then.
[18:06:53] <Emufarmers>	You can still tune things in apache2.conf, by the way: you probably want KeepAlive on, Timeout at something closer to 10
[18:07:01] <merriam_>	I'm on Dreamhost, but I wouldn't run mediawiki publicly.
[18:07:31] <Emufarmers>	and then tune the settings under <IfModule mpm_worker_module> as desired
[18:08:04] <merriam_>	shortc|desk: interesting.  What do you use now?
[18:08:07] <Emufarmers>	Although I found that I didn't need to much
[18:08:13] <shortc|desk>	A company called Geekalize gave us space for several months.  By that time, our traffic levels were down enough that I was able to move it to my personal Bluehost shared hosting account.  Last summer, one of my users offered the use of his Slicehost slice for a few months.  Gave it a try, decided it was worth $20/mo*, and bought my own.
[18:08:21] <chuck>	shortc|desk: that codepad site that was linked to on rosettacode.org is pretty cool
[18:08:36] <shortc|desk>	* It helps that I now work full time, so can afford to pay for things...
[18:08:59] <shortc|desk>	chuck: Yeah, codepad is awesome.  I wish they supported more languages.  It's a great opportunity for folks to try languages live.
[18:09:02] <Pathoschild>	Is there an article size limit after which MediaWiki stops parsing syntax?
[18:09:21] <merriam_>	ah.  Slicehost is what aaronsw used for jottit.
[18:09:25] <shortc|desk>	Pathoschild: Maybe.  But I've ran out of memory before hitting it.
[18:09:40] <shortc|desk>	Tried posting a page with 500KB of data in it once.
[18:09:49] <chuck>	shortc|desk: The official Ruby language website has a pretty nice irb (interactive ruby, which is a utility like python's console is) simulator, which I'll link to on that Ruby category
[18:10:04] <shortc|desk>	chuck: Cool. :-)
[18:10:21] <Emufarmers>	shortc|desk: you're not using rewrite rules for short URLs, are you?
[18:10:31] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: I was...Are they broken now?
[18:10:42] <Pathoschild>	shortc|desk: that worked (after a pause). I have a 1.5MB archive page now, though. :)
[18:10:42] <Emufarmers>	They've always been broken :-)
[18:11:03] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: Back when the Slashdot article was posted, no, I wasn't.
[18:11:12] <shortc|desk>	But it should be working as of early last summer.
[18:11:14] <Emufarmers>	http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Tasks_not_implemented_in_C++ notice what happens
[18:11:23] <Emufarmers>	Anyway, rewrite bad, alias good
[18:11:39] <shortc|desk>	Oh, %$@%$@#
[18:11:39] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Recommended_how-to_guide_.28setup_used_on_Wikipedia.29 gogogo
[18:11:46] <shortc|desk>	That was fixed under mod_php.
[18:11:48] <chuck>	Emufarmers: Alias good?
[18:12:08] <chuck>	Emufarmers: Does the alias method need any fixed hostnames?
[18:12:17] <chuck>	Oh wait, I forgot I'm not using Apache...
[18:12:24] <chuck>	Screw Cherokee, its URL rewriting sucks
[18:12:36] <Emufarmers>	All it needs is root access
[18:12:48] <Emufarmers>	which is the reason people use rewrites; they don't have root on shared hosting
[18:13:19] <chuck>	Emufarmers: I run a wiki hosting service, and I'm using a ServerAlias *.yourwiki.net, I don't need to provide any fixed hostnames to the alias directive though, yeah?
[18:13:30] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: The + vs %2B thing was unsolvable with Mod_Rewrite until last summer.  When I moved to Slicehost and set everything up with mod_php, everything worked, including the + issue.
[18:14:24] <shortc|desk>	I discovered it was a bug that had gone long-unfixed in apache, and Bluehost wasn't willing to give me an estimate as to when they'd upgrade. (They were only one minor version below the one with the fix, too...)
[18:14:52] <Emufarmers>	Aliases are supposed to have better performance too
[18:16:21] <Emufarmers>	Also, I just registered on your site: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Special:Preferences the top buttons are all getting duplicated
[18:18:20] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: There have been some quirks with the CSS.  I haven't had time to look into them, and I think you're the first person to mention it to me, so it's been a low-priority thing.
[18:19:59] <shortc|desk>	Unless you're talking about the "RosettaCode" theme, which has some other weird issues.  Somehow, I'm both statically and dynamically adding all the page edit buttons.  I need to re-clone Monobook and start from scratch.
[18:24:37] <shortc|desk>	K...Everything's up and running.
[18:24:41] <shortc|desk>	I've got to go to work.
[18:25:03] <shortc|desk>	Emufarmers: Thanks for your help.  If you're ever in GRR, I'll buy you a beer. :-)
[18:27:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extension conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18504  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:29:54] <chuck>	How does the WMF run PHP with Apache?
[18:30:02] <chuck>	Are they using mod_php?
[18:32:15] <Emufarmers>	chuck: I believe so, yes.  They use prefork, as far as I know
[18:33:45] <chuck>	Emufarmers: What's best for a VPS with 540MB of memory (or so) and 4 xeon procs, prefork, or MPM?
[18:34:27] <Emufarmers>	Well, given what just happened...I'd say probably prefork :p
[18:34:37] <Emufarmers>	er, sorry, worker
[18:34:43] <Emufarmers>	Freudian slip
[18:35:12] <chuck>	heh
[18:35:31] <Emufarmers>	If prefork works for you, though, great
[18:35:43] <Emufarmers>	but it sounds like memory might be a bottleneck for you
[18:35:59] <chuck>	Yeah
[18:36:10] <chuck>	unfortunately, VPS memory is expensive
[18:36:39] <Emufarmers>	Compared to?
[18:37:39] <chuck>	Well, how well would cheaper memory work in a server?
[18:37:51] <Emufarmers>	Huh?
[18:37:59] <chuck>	I know nothing at all about hardware, but I thought there was a grade of memory that was better for servers that costs more
[18:38:08] <Emufarmers>	Oh
[18:38:31] <Emufarmers>	No idea: but if that's the case, I would expect it to be used on all servers, not just VPSs
[18:38:54] <chuck>	yeah, that's what I meant more
[18:39:03] <chuck>	i think i'm just blathering without meaning now, though :P
[18:39:11] <Emufarmers>	Probably :D
[18:39:21] *chuck 	goes to switch from cherokee -> apache now
[18:39:38] <Emufarmers>	What's cherokee's selling point?
[18:39:50] <chuck>	performance
[18:41:13] <Emufarmers>	So why switch?
[18:41:51] <Emufarmers>	By the way, my understanding is that "memory is cheap(tm)" these days, and it's other things that are the bottlenecks.  But that might only be true at a larger scale
[18:41:52] <CIA-15>	03btongminh * r49632 10/branches/NssMySQLAuth-rewrite/NssMySQLAuth/ (3 files in 2 dirs): autoloader fixes
[18:43:00] <chuck>	Well, you can't configure cherokee from a terminal with nano/vi, it's URL rewriting sucks (&, +, and probably others are broken, and I had to write a special hack to make stuff like /wiki/Special:Search?query=blah work), people either laugh at me or ignore me when I try to get help in the #cherokee channel, and you have to use fastcgi
[18:43:42] <Emufarmers>	Well, you have (or at least it's the best option) to use fastcgi for Apache worker-mpm too
[18:43:57] <Emufarmers>	and doesn't it have aliases you can use instead of rewrites?
[18:43:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oracle Single Schema database abstraction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18492   +need-review +patch; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:44:16] <chuck>	Not that I know of
[18:44:48] <Emufarmers>	http://lists.octality.com/pipermail/cherokee/2009-April/010026.html
[18:46:06] <chuck>	Emufarmers: You can't use the List & Send handler with a script, it has to be a directory
[18:47:19] <Emufarmers>	I have no idea what List & Send actually is, so I'll take your word for it
[18:48:00] <chuck>	Emufarmers: Well in Cherokee, you can setup different paths that will have different handlers, and the List & Send handler will do directory listings and serve files
[18:48:29] <chuck>	It's kind of confusing, there are a lot of different handlers, and I think Cherokee would definitely be cool for certain types of applications that might've been made to work with it better
[18:49:55] <Emufarmers>	This for YourWiki, or something else?
[18:50:34] <chuck>	yeah, it's for YourWiki
[18:52:35] <chuck>	Emufarmers: libapache2-mod-fcgid is what I want for fastcgi on apache worker, yeah?
[18:58:04] <Emufarmers>	Probably, yeah
[18:58:24] <Emufarmers>	You're gonna want to look at the stuff above for getting it to use it for .php files
[19:00:04] <chuck>	[Sat Apr 18 14:58:58 2009] [error] [client 173.17.187.196] File does not exist: /home/yourwiki/htdocs/html/w/index.phpMain Page
[19:00:07] <chuck>	:<
[19:00:20] <chuck>	My little Alias /wiki/ /home/yourwiki/htdocs/html/w/index.php line isn't working ;P
[19:02:33] <chuck>	oh, oops
[19:04:06] <chuck>	[Sat Apr 18 15:03:34 2009] [error] [client 173.17.187.196] File does not exist: /home/yourwiki/htdocs/html/w/index.php/YourWiki
[19:04:09] <chuck>	:<
[19:04:44] <Emufarmers>	:<
[19:05:01] <Emufarmers>	Does /home/yourwiki/htdocs/html/w/index.php/YourWiki exist? :D
[19:05:21] <Emufarmers>	or rather
[19:05:38] <chuck>	no, it's this: Alias /wiki /home/yourwiki/htdocs/html/w/index.php
[19:06:00] <chuck>	Maybe quotes are needed
[19:06:36] <Emufarmers>	Plebs are needed
[19:06:44] <chuck>	:'( still not working
[19:06:54] <Emufarmers>	What's in LocalSettings.php?
[19:07:15] <chuck>	Those settings are fine, I was using this URL scheme before, just with rewrite rules
[19:07:24] <chuck>	but script path is /w, article path is /wiki/$1
[19:09:59] <chuck>	Ugh this is hard
[19:12:11] <Emufarmers>	Do you have $wgUsePathInfo = true; ?
[19:13:34] <chuck>	I don't think that's the problem
[19:13:41] <chuck>	but if that's necessary for the rewrite rules to work, then yes
[19:15:05] <Emufarmers>	Uh, what rewrite rules?
[19:15:34] <Emufarmers>	oh
[19:19:30] <chuck>	Emufarmers: should I be using mod_fastcgi or something?
[19:23:09] <Emufarmers>	mod_fcgid
[19:23:15] <Emufarmers>	take a look at http://www.digitalnerds.net/featured/apache2-worker-mpm-with-fastcgi-php5/
[19:23:39] <Emufarmers>	not all of it's really relevant, but
[19:25:05] <chuck>	I think we're almost good to go...
[19:25:19] <chuck>	I'm getting the title in the top of the window now, but it's loading very slowly
[19:25:48] <JohnDSmith>	My ISP moved 2 wikis (with separate domains) to a new physical server.  One is working.  The other, which has more extensions, more pages, etc., etc. does not.  The DB is there, the code looks like it moved correctly, but my browser gets nothing back (no error, no html, no nothing).
[19:25:58] <JohnDSmith>	Suggestions on where to start digging for the problem?
[19:30:01] <chuck>	Emufarmers: Almost there! Woo
[19:30:31] <chuck>	Emufarmers: Do you happen to know how to make / redirect to /wiki/
[19:31:35] <Emufarmers>	chuck: sure:
[19:31:55] <Emufarmers>	Alias / /path/to/index.php
[19:32:34] <Emufarmers>	Er, sorry, that's
[19:32:50] <Emufarmers>	Alias /index.php /path/to
[19:32:51] <chuck>	/index.php instead?
[19:32:57] <chuck>	kk, i'll try that
[19:33:45] <Emufarmers>	JohnDSmith: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug
[19:36:46] <chuck>	Emufarmers: Okay, YourWiki is finally back up 100% :D
[19:36:50] <chuck>	thanks for your help
[19:38:30] <Emufarmers>	:D
[19:38:49] <Emufarmers>	Man, two lost souls brought to salvation today
[19:39:02] <JohnDSmith>	@Emufarmers: thanks. will start there.
[19:52:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create otrs-fr-l - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18506 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (guillom.pom)
[20:57:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some Abuse Filter log entries shouldn't be there as the actions doesn't match the stated filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18490  normal->major; +comment (10matthew.britton)
[21:03:24] <chuck>	Any ideas why I'm getting this error with fcgid?
[21:03:38] <chuck>	[Sat Apr 18 16:59:06 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] malformed header from script. Bad header=X-XRDS-Location: index.php, referer:  http://www.yourwiki.net/wiki/User:Charlie
[21:11:44] <Emufarmers>	Yes, incidentally, since I dealt with the same thing when I switched to cgi :)
[21:11:56] <Emufarmers>	There's a bug in an extension
[21:11:59] <Emufarmers>	Let's see, it was...
[21:12:10] <Emufarmers>	OpenID
[21:12:23] <Emufarmers>	It's fixed in the latest version of the extension
[21:13:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide a 'user-watchlist' that lists all recent contributions of a set of users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470  (10spidermannequin)
[21:15:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recent Changes around some time in history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1870  (10spidermannequin)
[21:18:07] <Emufarmers>	chuck
[21:19:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) OpenID Extension shouldn't set X-XRDS-Location header with header() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18507 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenID; (charlie)
[21:19:27] <chuck>	>_<
[21:19:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wanted: "Nearby contributions" links in history and diff views - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7566  (10spidermannequin)
[21:20:18] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) OpenID Extension shouldn't set X-XRDS-Location header with header() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18507  +comment (10charlie)
[21:21:08] <chuck>	Emufarmers: Thanks.
[21:21:36] <Emufarmers>	I'll send you an invoice :D
[21:21:38] <chuck>	looks like it's working again
[21:21:40] <chuck>	:P
[21:21:50] <chuck>	Though, template fetches are still not working, which is sad. :P
[21:21:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) blacklist extension handling is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11142  15enhancement->minor (10spidermannequin)
[21:22:03] <Emufarmers>	Template fetches?
[21:22:15] <chuck>	[Template fetch failed for http://pool.yourwiki.net/wiki/User:Charlie?action=render]
[21:22:19] <chuck>	For scary transclusion
[21:22:32] <Emufarmers>	Who uses that? :/
[21:23:02] <Emufarmers>	oh, I see
[21:27:14] <chuck>	It works just fine in eval.php
[21:31:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) FORCENOTOC : more granular toc control for transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18508 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (spidermannequin)
[21:31:48] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49633 10/trunk/extensions/Farmer/Farmer.i18n.php: Remove double space in 'farmernewwikimainpage'
[21:32:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FORCENOTOC : more granular toc control for transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18508  (10spidermannequin)
[21:35:33] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49634 10/trunk/extensions/Farmer/Farmer.i18n.php: Fix typo and remove double space
[21:35:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <gallery> tag generates unnecessary triply-nested divs, renders images very slowly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16840  major->normal; +comment (10spidermannequin)
[21:36:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add margins to printable css style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17297  15enhancement->minor (10spidermannequin)
[21:40:26] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49635 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/CentralNotice.i18n.php: Add period in 'centralnotice-no-notices-exist'
[21:47:15] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49636 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (languages/SF_Messages.php specials/SF_CreateProperty.php): Allow plural in 'sf_property_allowedvals'
[21:54:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement the Interlanguage extension in Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15607  +comment (10spidermannequin)
[21:57:00] <Subfader>	why is the div.tright in main.css using border-width: .5em 0 .8em 1.4em; to create a margin?
[22:04:48] <Preforx>	Hello. Problem: "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension..." with a .DOC file. But not with all .DOC files! Some i uploaded before and it works without problems! mime.type has doc .... tried also with $wgMimeDetectorCommand= "file -bi";. Dont want to use verifymimetype false!
[22:13:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) filter history of edits on bots (hidebots=1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16228  +comment (10spidermannequin)
[22:14:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make www.$1.wiki(media|pedia...).org redirect to $1.wiki(media|pedia...).org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1698  (10spidermannequin)
[22:17:27] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) When uploading .tar.gz files, get a generic Connection was reset error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7786  +comment (10spidermannequin)
[22:18:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add magic word to generate combined-TOC from a set of pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13090  summary; +comment (10spidermannequin)
[22:20:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fix bz interface so it says 'change vote for this bug' if you have already voted for it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18509 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (spidermannequin)
[22:30:32] <Preforx>	Hello. Problem: "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension..." with a .DOC file. But not with all .DOC files! Some i uploaded before and it works without problems! mime.type has doc .... tried also with $wgMimeDetectorCommand= "file -bi";. Dont want to use verifymimetype false!
[22:33:55] <Gnitset>	Who should I contact about user accounts on the wiki at mediawiki.org?
[22:34:31] <Emufarmers>	What do you need?
[22:34:58] <Preforx>	...
[22:35:07] <Emufarmers>	ragequit gogo
[22:35:40] <Emufarmers>	Gnitset: that was to you, by the way :)
[22:36:22] <Gnitset>	the username Gnitset is taken by someone thats is not me, and that prevents me from getting "my" username unified on wikipedia
[22:36:57] <Emufarmers>	ah, one moment
[22:38:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use a dedicated interface for adding interwiki/category links, not wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167  (10spidermannequin)
[22:38:46] <Emufarmers>	Gnitset: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Requests
[22:39:39] <Gnitset>	Thanks
[22:42:43] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Patch to add user pref for links from titles to related search-term clusters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945  +comment (10spidermannequin)
[22:46:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Searching by date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1871  (10spidermannequin)
[22:51:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recent Changes around some time in history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1870  (10spidermannequin)
[23:03:32] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49637 10/trunk/extensions/ImportUsers/ (SpecialImportUsers.i18n.php SpecialImportUsers_body.php): Use wfMsg and a regular variable instead of sprintf
[23:13:44] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49638 10/trunk/extensions/ImportUsers/SpecialImportUsers.i18n.php: Localisation updates for ImportUsers messages from translatewiki.net
[23:22:46] <chuck>	siebrand: Who's maintaining Farmer these days?
[23:23:53] <Emufarmers>	Not sure anybody is, though ialex committed some stuff for it a while ago
[23:24:39] <Emufarmers>	oh, no, looks like he still is