[00:00:16] Am I able to create new directories in the extensions/ directory in subversion? [00:02:09] svn mkdir? [00:02:28] Yeah, but able as in permission-wise [00:02:47] technically able [00:03:34] You tell me [00:03:59] I will tell you after I check extensions/ out on my slow interwebs cnnection [00:04:01] *connection [00:07:18] I would presume so [00:07:40] I think all svn committers can [00:07:43] I did at one point [00:08:14] oh, on Wikimedia svn? [00:15:08] 14(DUP) Allow Usernames starting with lower case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18505 +comment (10herd) [00:15:08] 03(mod) Account cannot be created with initial lower case letter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1574 +comment (10herd) [00:16:50] should https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2211 be duped to 1574 ? [00:16:56] *Splarka shrugs [00:20:00] 03charlie * r49639 10/trunk/extensions/Mollom/ (. LICENSE README): Adding directory for Mollom extension [00:46:24] I'm getting this error, but all the files are there and the permissions look ok ato me: Warning: require_once(/home/cpsquare/public_html/w/LocalSettings.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/cpsquare/public_html/w/includes/WebStart.php on line 113 [00:47:30] "Your Web user needs to own LocalSettings.php if you want to chmod the file to 600 (or 400, I guess); if this is not possible, then you will have to set the permissions to 640 or 644. (In another thread, somebody had the same problem.)" [00:48:01] And what are the permissions on the file? [00:48:21] 700 [00:48:57] Maybe you should change them, then [00:56:02] 03(mod) redirect jira.ts.wikimedia.org & fisheye.ts.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18495 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [01:01:24] Thanks, folks. It's working now. :) [01:02:00] :-) [01:07:39] 03(mod) Some Abuse Filter log entries shouldn't be there as the actions doesn't match the stated filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18490 +comment (10public) [01:20:42] 03nad * r49640 10/trunk/extensions/EmailPage/EmailPage.php: Missing in toolbox link [01:32:59] 03(mod) Extension conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18504 (10yaron57) [01:34:44] 14(DUP) FCKEditor / IE7 / Semantic Forms Free Text Box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18381 +comment (10yaron57) [01:34:47] 03(mod) Integration with FCK editor fails in IE (free text field) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15877 +comment (10yaron57) [02:00:04] API question: to get a token for action=block using prop=info, I use the user's userpage as the "title", right? [02:01:01] or, meh, I should just use the gettoken method [02:01:22] Either works. [02:02:08] yes, log actions are performed on user's userpages, not on usernames, silly innit [02:05:51] I'll use gettoken, that way I don't need to code in namespace prefixes [02:06:13] …yet [02:07:42] Nihiltres: User: should always work as an alias [02:08:02] good point [02:09:08] it's more the selectively deciding to prefix things with User: that I don't feel like adding [02:09:43] fair [02:09:50] hello [02:10:07] i set up mediawiki on fedora 10, and i'm wondering what i screwed up here: [02:10:12] http://fetter.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page [02:10:17] not working much on structuring my code until I have most of the actions covered, anyway [02:10:29] it looks kinda blank and white :P [02:10:56] "You don't have permission to access /wiki/index.php/Main_Page on this server." [02:10:58] davidfetter, I think you might not have permission to access /wiki/index.php/Main_Page on this server. [02:11:17] Did you install it with a package or something? [02:12:07] A Fedora package, that is [02:12:30] Emufarmers, yes, i did [02:12:53] Well, that's a problem right there in terms of us helping you [02:12:59] heh [02:14:27] given that i'm probably staying with the packaged version, what do the permissions need to be? [02:14:36] !package [02:14:36] --mwbot-- Many Linux distributions provide MediaWiki in a packaged format for that distribution. The MediaWiki development team refers you to your Linux distribution for assistance with installing, configuring or using them. The individual communities & companies who maintain such packages should provide installation instructions. [02:15:16] davidfetter: you have to find out the protection level probably, unless they use some specialized protection [02:15:39] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Administrators#Protections [02:16:09] i have root on this box, so i can do pretty much what i want [02:53:32] mmm, uberfuzzy always shows up when he finds something wrong with Wikia's version of mediawiki [03:04:43] Splarka: :P [03:20:37] I looked at aboutus.com and I noticed it has a very distinct skin of MediaWiki. [03:21:25] 03(NEW) arbcom-audit-en mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18510 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (kirill.lokshin) [03:45:05] Has anyone thought about setting up a mailing list that we can subscribe to upstream bugs? [03:45:28] right now I think the only thing we do it note the bug number in a comment (so, no updates) and use the upstream keyword [03:46:39] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2009-April/030513.html [03:48:24] huh? [03:49:05] Oh, sorry [03:49:14] Brain filtered out the "upstream" part :3 [03:53:23] heh, np [04:04:21] I once had a nightmare that an ASP made a boatload off of GPL software by not telling their customers they were using free softwRe [04:33:56] how do i make rollback and upload links connect properly to their respective pages? link: http://wikademia.org/Special:Statistics -- thanks. [04:42:18] is there a way to hide ip addresses in the recent changes and just make them all display as "Anonymous"? [04:47:44] Proxy all edits through localhost? [04:55:46] interesting.. it would just display 127.0.0.1 then? [04:56:23] Presumably. [04:56:25] I was hoping there was just a setting hidden somewhere... or some little php hack :} [04:57:26] Don't think so. [04:57:30] Doing it is rather silly. [04:57:31] there might a extenstion for it [04:58:07] do you want it just on recent changes or everywhere? [04:58:25] I suppose everywhere [04:59:03] except for when admins need the info, for blocks and so forth [05:14:57] how to escape = sign inside a template? [05:15:13] Define the parameter. [05:15:32] {{template|foo= bar=baz}} [05:15:43] Instead of {{template| bar=baz}} [05:15:58] you can also use {{=}} [05:16:23] Not really. [05:16:29] {{divbox|2+2=4}} doesn't work [05:16:37] {{divbox|1=2+2=4}} [05:16:50] first uncovered equals is the name/value delimiter [05:17:30] but Prodego is right, you can just cover the equals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:= [05:17:47] ok, thanks [05:18:55] you can also use the html entity sometimes: = / = [05:20:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?contexttitle=&input=%7B%7BColors%7Cblack%7Cyellow%7C2+%2B+2+%7B%7B%3D%7D%7D+4%7D%7D%0D%0A%7B%7BColors%7Cblack%7Cyellow%7C2+%2B+2+%26%2361%3B+4%7D%7D%0D%0A%7B%7BColors%7Cblack%7Cyellow%7C2+%2B+2+%26%23x3D%3B+4%7D%7D%0D%0A%7B%7BColors%7Cblack%7Cyellow%7C3%3D2+%2B+2+%3D+4%7D%7D&removecomments=1 [06:05:10] 03(NEW) Remove "deleterevision" permission from the Oversight group on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18511 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Oversight; (dmcdevit) [06:12:30] 03(mod) Remove "hiderevision" permission from the Oversight group on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18511 summary; +comment (10dmcdevit) [06:17:25] 03(mod) Remove "hiderevision" permission from the Oversight group on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18511 +shell (10Emufarmers) [06:39:36] hmm someone should probably reassign 18511 back to the list since its changed components now [08:51:05] hi there. could anyone help me? :) http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/5117/screenshotc.png [08:53:24] Hello. I hope someone will help me today! Okay try it again. I have a Problem. I cant upload some .doc files. I always get the error "File Corrupt or.....". I think its a Problem with Office 2007. I created a DOC file with Office 2007. I cant Upload it. If I upload a createt DOC file with office 2003, it works without Problems. So what i have to do now? Cant find any help via google. [08:53:37] Aleksandrit: increase memory_limit ? [08:56:20] Preforx: maybe try disabling http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgVerifyMimeType and see if it works [08:56:32] also see the "see also" settings and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMimeTypeBlacklist [08:57:40] But if i disable verifymimetype i have a security problem [08:58:56] Splarka: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini: ”memory_limit = 16M ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume (16MB)”… or something other? [08:59:17] try 32M [08:59:29] hello, is there any way to do simple calculation within a wiki table? [09:00:18] for example, i have a wiki table which have a column of some numbers, i want the last row of the column to be the sum of them [09:00:22] dont have Blacklist enabled in LocaleSettings [09:00:27] Preforx: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection you can probably expand the detection of docs, dunno how [09:00:39] 03(NEW) &action=render could respect FlaggedRevs' default view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18512 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie) [09:00:49] wangchun: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions this extension has #expr [09:01:51] Preforx: are you uploading doc or docx format? [09:01:52] in M$ Excel, I can just write "=SUM(A1:A123) or something like that [09:01:58] doc format [09:02:15] doc with 2003 works, doc createt with 2007 not works [09:02:54] really confusing. dont understand that :/ [09:03:02] oh yeah, 2007 does something special iirc [09:05:06] Splarka: parser functions seem not workw ith tables.. [09:05:40] Mhhh :( dont know how to fix it. Because also mime file detection, okay, but i can help this because doc is listet in my mime.types ? [09:06:44] but how can help this* ^^^ [09:08:05] wangchun: they can be forced to, if you mean changing the table cells depending on the results [09:11:56] mh Are you sure i should use turn off verifymimetype? because its insecure (*mediawiki.org) ... ? Or is there a another way for mimedectection ? another tool or sth ? [09:12:16] Splarka: If I have three table cells: A1=12, A2=24, A3=SUM(A1,A2). I need some way to calculate the sum, so I don't have to write "36" manually. I can do this in Excel or Google Spreadsheet [09:12:43] Splarka: Is there any parserfunctions or extension out there to do this kind of simple calc in mediawiki? [09:13:18] oh [09:13:36] a totally different thing, yah [09:13:48] probably javascript [09:13:55] you know sortable tables? [09:14:48] 03(mod) Extension conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18504 (10michel.starkier) [09:15:34] Splarka? http://mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10094 from 2009. Same Problem here! Maybe a mediawiki problem ? [09:16:32] Splarka: Yes I know sortable tables [09:17:17] Splarka: No one has done an extension like this? [09:17:20] wangchun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/summabletables.js I once wrote something similar for summing [09:17:27] probably a few other people have too [09:18:29] Preforx: possibly, dunno much about mime or doc [09:18:52] but it should probably be possible to modify or remove the mime type detection for docs in mediawiki, being open source [09:18:54] mh [09:19:49] It took me 3 days to setup mediawiki with help of my colleague (because i had to do it on my own x) so i'm not good at all that things! :D [09:23:32] Quellenverzeichnis.doc? (Dateigr��e: 27 KB, MIME-Typ: application/zip)" [09:24:08] and this with another doc file [09:24:08] Marktanalyse_in_arbeit_.doc? (Dateigr��e: 25 KB, MIME-Typ: application/msword) [09:24:15] there it worked [09:25:18] How does one get the home directory of a MediaWiki? For example, Wikipedia's would be . I looked through Help:Magic Words, and didn't come up with anything besides {{fullurl}} with {{localurl}}... the article is mostly ineffective for me. [09:27:33] hangfromthefloor: the articlepath http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ or the scriptpath http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ ? [09:27:49] For my wiki specifically, I'm pretty sure it's the same... [09:28:17] vOk Splarka, i think its an mediawiki problem... is there another detection tool for mime files, do u know? [09:28:20] ew.... [09:28:29] don't use identical article and script paths, that isn't supported [09:28:57] Preforx: try renaming Quellenverzeichnis.doc to Quellenverzeichnis.doc.zip and see if winzip can open it [09:28:59] Either way, I think I'm talking about the article path [09:29:15] 03(NEW) message name/content seem contratictive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18513 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [09:31:37] 03(NEW) WYSIWYG table editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18514 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (suicup) [09:31:42] hmm, guess there is no magic word vector for it [09:31:48] {{SERVER}}{{SCRIPTPATH}} will give you the scriptpath though [09:32:13] {{SERVER}}{{SCRIPTPATH}}/api.php for example [09:32:35] Hmm, I guess that works [09:32:44] Thanks [09:32:50] (Just wondering, what if the template {{fullurl}} is created? Will that mess up the magic word?) [09:33:02] magic word has precidence [09:33:12] But it won't disallow you [09:33:17] you can refer to such a template via {{Template:Fullurl}} [09:33:25] Of course [09:33:33] also note fullurl is a parser function [09:33:45] Right [09:33:48] so {{fullurl}} will call the template, but {{fullurl:foo}} will call the magic word [09:34:08] 03(NEW) mediawiki:smw_querytoolarge needs PLURAL support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18515 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [09:38:05] How many (main namespace) articles must the wiki contain to display Allpages in sections? [09:38:42] nope you can have magic words and templates peacefully eg: en.wiki has {{DEFAULTSORT}} [09:38:50] for people that forget the : [09:39:30] that works for parser functions, as I said [09:41:12] for bypassing variables without parameters like {{SITENAME}} to use such a template you need to use {{Template:SITENAME}} or {{msg:SITENAME}} [09:41:42] note also: {{fullurl:}} would call [[Template:Fullurl:]] [09:42:20] I hate timezones :) 'This page was last modified on 1 January 2008, at 01:01.' [09:44:31] 03siebrand * r49641 10/trunk/extensions/ImportUsers/SpecialImportUsers.i18n.php: Revert accidental revert in r49637 of change in 'importusers-log' from r49625 [09:44:54] Does anyone know about the Allpages thing I asked? [09:46:15] hangfromthefloor: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialAllpages.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain [09:48:40] 03rainman * r49642 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/src/org/wikimedia/lsearch/search/SearchEngine.java: Bump max offset to 100k. [09:58:19] 03(NEW) Extension:Securepoll: message "Securepoll-too-few-edits" needs PLURAL support. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18516 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [10:05:50] http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Vade_Mecum_f%C3%BCr_lustige_Leute_V_1775_A_011.jpg&action=edit ← why does mediawiki return only "Template:Vade Mecum für lustige Leute V 1775" as template in this page? [10:06:07] and later returns also the template included in the template I said? :S [10:06:16] (but also later?) [10:06:19] *only [10:17:44] Filnik: [[File:Vade_Mecum_f%C3%BCr_lustige_Leute_V_1775_A_011.jpg]] is the actual image and [[Template:Vade_Mecum_für_lustige_Leute_V_1775]] (although similarly named) is the information template that displays the descrption [10:18:42] p858snake: I know, but in the section "Templates used on this page: " there's only the template you said, not the template in which there's the license [10:19:23] p858snake: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:ATI-Rage-16-MB_1-1600x1200.JPG&action=edit ← for example, here there are all the template, although there's only GFDL used [10:20:03] because that file desciption calls it whereas the other one has it in the other template [10:21:22] p858snake: and why this "problem" is fixed if some time pass? I've seen that others images with similar template with some time are automatically fixed :S [10:21:27] *Filnik looks for some link [10:22:11] p858snake: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:De_J_W_Goethe_Annette_Druck_012.jpg&action=edit [10:23:25] p858snake: yesterday the last file I linked you, had the same problem :S [10:24:08] p858snake: and with a dummy edit the file is automatically fixed :S [10:24:16] p858snake: I've tried right now :S [10:24:44] p858snake: if you want, you can try with this similar file: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Vade_Mecum_f%C3%BCr_lustige_Leute_V_1775_A_010.jpg&action=edit [10:25:14] then it would of been waiting for the job qeue and the null edit would of fast tracked it [10:25:49] p858snake: I imagine that there's not a system to fix this? [10:26:17] no its designed to put things in a queue and to do it in order so as to not overload the servers [10:26:43] p858snake: uhm uhm.. ok.. thanks for the help btw :) [10:28:10] for more info: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Job_queue [10:28:33] p858snake: thanks :) [10:49:04] 03(NEW) Enable the Collection extension for creating books on the Alemannic Wikipedia [alswiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18517 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Wiki.Melancholie) [11:02:37] 03(mod) Enable the Collection extension for creating books on the Alemannic Wikipedia [alswiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18517 +shell (10p858snake) [11:17:41] 03(mod) Remove "hiderevision" permission from the Oversight group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18511 summary; +comment (10mikelifeguard) [11:36:00] hi there everyone [11:36:12] i want to use mediawiki for a documentation project i have 2 questions please [11:36:24] 03(mod) Remove "hiderevision" permission from the Oversight group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18511 (10dmcdevit) [11:36:24] 1) can it make a pdf of a manual with table of contents? including all images on the pages [11:36:33] 2) are there any decent themes out there? [11:37:11] there is message on top of disambiguation page is on enwiki which is coantier of Template:Disambig editintro but i can't find mediawiki message e.g http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ox_(disambiguation)&action=edit&editintro=Template:Disambig_editintro [11:37:23] jorries82, 1) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection [11:37:57] jorries82, 2) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles [11:38:37] that is awome Church_of_emacs ! thanks [11:38:39] Mard|SWMT: Could you explain more clearly? [11:38:56] jorries82, you're welcome [11:40:11] i want to have same message on disambiguation pages on my home wiki , as it seems the in enwiki people are using mediawiki trick to show Template:Disambig editintrotemplate on top of the page [11:40:56] or maybe it CSS hack , but i assume it mediawiki:editnotice [11:41:01] *it is [11:41:51] &editintro loads a page above an edit page [11:42:14] Mard|SWMT: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ox_(disambiguation)&action=edit --> no editintro for me [11:42:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ox_(disambiguation)&action=edit&editintro=Template:db-u1 <-- like so, heh [11:43:46] 03(mod) Remove "hiderevision" permission from the Oversight group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18511 +comment (10p858snake) [11:45:46] Roankattouw http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ox_(disambiguation)&action=edit&editintro=Template:Disambig_editintro [11:46:03] the mediawiki layout page does not list any screenshots for all themes [11:46:13] is there a site that does so i can quickly find the best matching theme for my wiki? [11:46:30] i do customize it but need the most cleanest version something like the wordpress codex or mozilla wiki [11:46:42] Mard|SWMT: Yes, but &editintro=Template:Foo just ensures that Template:Foo is loaded on top, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Disambig_editintro [11:48:26] I see , but i want to have same message for disambugation pages on my homewiki too [11:48:32] Hello [11:48:43] Mard|SWMT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js [11:48:48] it is a javascript hack [11:48:55] * Description: Adds editintros on disambiguation pages and BLP pages. [11:48:56] btw. is it hard to setup mediawiki and get running just a quick question gonna install in a few mins [11:49:00] Damn [11:49:21] Not very hard [11:49:26] !install | jorries82 [11:49:26] --mwbot-- jorries82: Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [11:49:36] | Thanks [11:51:00] ok thanks [11:51:02] !download [11:51:02] --mwbot-- The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from . Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Subversion repository . See for more information. [11:51:46] hmm a lot of versions to download anyone can point me to the latest version non upgrade .tar ? [11:52:56] 1.14.0 [11:53:04] jorries82: there are no upgrade tars [11:53:29] jorries82: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download has a *very* prominent link. [11:53:52] perhaps that should be the first url mentioned by the bot. http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki the the repo for *everything* [11:54:02] !del download [11:54:02] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "del". You might try: !bundels !deleteuser !extensiondistributor !oversight !protect !worstcase [11:54:07] bleh [11:55:20] RoanKattouw: close. [11:55:22] thx Duesentrieb did not found that page.. all set to go now :D [11:55:25] !download del [11:55:25] --mwbot-- Successfully removed keyword: download [11:55:34] !download is The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from . Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Subversion repository . [11:55:34] --mwbot-- Successfully added keyword: download [11:55:36] RoanKattouw: now, add the new version :) [11:55:38] ah [11:55:38] anyone perhaps also know if there is some wordpress integration plugin so you can do some stuff from within wordpress? [11:55:42] Did that already in #mwbot [11:56:02] 03(NEW) Add clprop=hidden to prop=categories to show category hidden status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18518 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (herd) [11:56:09] jorries82: there's something for a share duser base i'm sure. for more stuff, ask the wordpress folks [11:58:06] jorries82: try having a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix [11:59:17] ok thanks, great! i would like to use Cavendish skin as a basis. but it says its not compatible with the latest version [11:59:39] is there anyone here that uses that theme also or another clone of a popular websit ( like wordpress, mozilla) just something that looks great out of the box [11:59:57] would love to hear what 2.0 styled skins you guys use.. saves me lot of time hacking the css and the skin myself [12:00:55] we use 2.0 styled skins? [12:01:45] 2.what? [12:01:47] (also, don't say 2.0, it's a filthy word :P) [12:01:54] What's a 2.0 styled skin? [12:02:23] hehe a lot of people dont like it ;) [12:02:24] !styles [12:02:24] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "styles". You might try: !css !skins [12:02:27] damn [12:02:34] !skinning [12:02:34] --mwbot-- Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: [12:02:49] i ment skins indeed Duesentrieb sorry im used to certain conventions [12:03:34] its such a great time to be a webdeveloper online these days, all those great opensource projects like mediawiki that can deliver [12:03:52] basically working with this i already see its an investment for any future projects that needs documentation [12:04:02] no custom scripts messing around but something solid [12:08:17] moin [12:13:31] ok almost installed:P is there anyone that uses the cavendish Skin in the latest mediawiki ? [12:13:43] i wonderd if it works out of the box or if i have to make modifications [12:28:15] 03(mod) Oracle Single Schema database abstraction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18492 +comment (10freak) [12:29:27] ok my wiki is installed now only got some errors in the install (but it went on and seems to be fine) [12:29:31] Warning: Your session.save_path value (/var/lib/php/session) appears to be invalid or is not writable. PHP needs to be able to save data to this location for correct session operation. [12:29:36] Ouch [12:29:46] Until you fix that people won't be able to log in [12:29:51] and Warning: Your session.save_path value (/var/lib/php/session) appears to be invalid or is not writable. PHP needs to be able to save data to this location for correct session operation. [12:31:51] 03(mod) Oracle Single Schema database abstraction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18492 (10freak) [12:31:53] hmm seems to be fine anyway [12:31:59] !installation [12:31:59] --mwbot-- Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [12:33:58] stupid but how do i change the themes? no admin interface? i have to edit the config file.. ? [12:34:51] jorries82: depends. changing css styles is done by editing wiki pages. picking another skin is a per-user preference. [12:35:08] bigger changes basically mean writing your own skin. that means some php programming [12:35:18] i have a skin installed which i would like to select [12:35:36] so go to your user proferences and select it [12:35:50] preferences where would that be located? [12:35:51] you can also set it as the default for anonymous and new users. [12:36:05] follow the link that says "preferences"? [12:36:10] at the top right of the page [12:36:14] (if you are using monobook) [12:36:21] ohw stupid i have to login first.. i thought it was logged in after the install ;p [12:36:35] jorries82: Login might be buggy because of the session.save_path issue [12:37:01] it worksw, thanks guys! [12:37:15] RoanKattouw yes that error i got but everything worked fine [12:37:46] basically i just want a product manual to be displayed thats all users do not have to edit, them wiki seems a bit overload but its a nice basis you can build upon lateron [12:38:41] i installed the cavendish skin [12:38:57] but what i was afraid for is happening this skin is not fully compatible with the latest version, no wysiwyg editor box for example.. [12:39:13] is there anyone here that use this theme and uploaded it to a blog or internet location ? [12:39:19] so new users can use the updated version instead of the old one [12:39:40] wysiwyg editor has nothing to do with skins [12:39:46] that would be a separate extensions [12:40:15] you will probably also want to set your preferred skin as the defautl. you have to edit the config file to do that [12:40:23] hi datura_ [12:41:49] ohw i see.. i would like indeed set it to default [12:42:05] im logged in as admin now selected the skin, but thats on a user basis.. not sitewide basis then i guess [12:43:19] also language i need dutch, netherlands, but selected nl in the admin pref. dropdown but still english [12:44:07] !wg ContentLanguage [12:44:07] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgContentLanguage [12:44:07] jorries82: $wgLanguageCode in LocalSettings.php [12:44:10] !wg DefaultSkin [12:44:10] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDefaultSkin [12:44:45] !wg LanguageCode [12:44:45] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLanguageCode [12:44:46] ah !wg LanguageCode [12:44:51] same difference :) [12:44:57] ok i see it thanks guys [13:18:59] 03(NEW) Please enable transwiki-imports to English Wiktionary from other Wiktionaries. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18519 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (ran.arigur) [13:21:20] 03(mod) Please enable transwiki-imports to English Wiktionary from other Wiktionaries. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18519 +shell (10p858snake) [13:24:05] 03(mod) No skin used for Opera fullscreen. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18497 +comment (10happy-melon) [13:45:04] 03ialex * r49643 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-ext.txt): Updated AbuseFilter, FlaggedRevs and OpenID extensions [13:45:50] yay ialex [13:46:01] hello werdna [13:52:12] is there a minimal css skin [13:52:15] for mediawiki? [13:52:36] the default skin that comes along still is a bit complicated to me, perhaps theres a more default css skin i can use to create my own upon [13:53:10] see "myskin" [13:53:32] (it has only common CSS, no skin specific CSS) [13:54:35] ah never mind stupid i already found theres the simple skin sorry for asking to soon [13:57:26] is there a way to find out what links to a section of a page? [13:58:30] no [13:58:39] searching Page Name#Section results also other #Sections [14:01:59] how would i customize the myskin skin [14:02:03] it references to monobook [14:02:09] can i just add my html inside the myskin.php? [14:04:24] jorries82: you can use MediaWiki:Myskin.css rather than editing files [14:05:01] *Danny_B is away: Leave a message after the beep and I'll reply as soon as possible. *BEEP* [14:06:17] ok i see [14:34:23] 03(NEW) Add a Special:UnwatchedRedirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18520 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (happy-melon) [14:37:51] ok im working on customizing my skin.. i try to import a css file from the /skin/my/main.css file with @import command in the css [14:38:00] but i cannot seem to get it to work even thought the path is correct [14:40:18] 03(mod) Add a Special:UnwatchedRedirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18520 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [14:53:20] hi everybody [14:54:02] I need to find more information about the use of languages in Mediawiki [14:54:14] any idea? [15:04:34] kepler: what do you mean by "use of languages"? [15:04:39] argh [15:12:30] 03ialex * r49644 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: Document APIQueryUsersTokens and WikiExporter::dumpStableQuery hooks [15:14:54] very stupid question but after setting everything up and have the skin in my default site layout [15:14:57] how do i add pages? [15:15:08] for example iw ant to create a manual with subpages and table of contents, where to start? [15:15:44] jorries82, create a link to the page on some other page, follow the link. Or type the name of the page in the search box and click the red link you're given. [15:16:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page [15:25:59] hi! [15:26:12] i need help and i cant' find it anywhere on the web :( [15:27:14] is anyone currently here? [15:27:16] PDF_Format: state the question [15:27:26] well, i want to default all my new pages to protected [15:27:33] but i can't seem to find out how i would do that. [15:27:44] is that what you really want [15:27:55] or do you want to people to register before editing [15:27:58] i want them to default to protected with editing only for sysops [15:28:07] because i want any user to be able to create a discussion page [15:28:10] meaning, they have to have the editing right [15:28:20] anonymous, registered, anybody etc.. [15:28:29] but i don't want anybody to edit the actual pages. [15:28:33] there is different right for editing pages and editing talk pages [15:28:39] !access [15:28:39] --mwbot-- For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [15:29:09] you can take the other one away from anon users [15:29:20] Nikerabbit: that's not in the core; [15:30:06] You need http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GroupPermissionsManager or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Talkright for that [15:32:04] argh [15:32:06] sorry, my internet had a flipout [15:32:17] if you replied after i wrote "31<PDF_Format>30 its createtalk [15:32:17] 31<PDF_Format>30 is there a way so that i can default all new pages to protected? " [15:32:19] then i didnt' get it. [15:33:23] Nikerabbit: but basically, since createtalk is dependant on the edit right, and edit lets you edit any unprotected page.. i want the pages protected. [15:33:30] so anyone can discuss, but not edit. [15:33:54] but going page by page and setting the protection is ... rediculous. [15:33:59] [11:30] You need http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GroupPermissionsManager or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Talkright for that [15:34:10] Emufarmers: thanks man! [15:34:26] that's perfect! [15:34:31] *PDF_Fermat hugs Emachman [15:34:32] oops [15:34:36] *PDF_Fermat hugs Emufarmers [15:34:44] Sorry emachman, no hugs for you [15:34:50] *Emachman hugs PDF_Fermat back [15:34:51] *PDF_Fermat rescinds hug for Emachman [15:34:53] Aww.... [15:34:54] BIII [15:34:57] ahah [15:35:00] that was another typo [15:35:01] NOOO [15:40:33] o,o [15:42:38] Emufarmers: : installed, it works perfectly [15:42:41] you are my hero! [15:42:48] Emachman: and you are my hug brother [15:43:05] That sounds... [15:43:09] strangely dirty [15:43:55] Emachman: indeed. kneel. [16:23:37] How do I get the "Served in x seconds" like to show the hostname of the server that served it? [16:25:10] *stwalkerster found that setting a couple of days ago [16:25:23] something like wgShowHostnames ? [16:25:30] I dunno what it is exactly though [16:25:49] that's it ;) [16:26:27] chuck: you have more than one server? [17:05:39] Emufarmers: it is [17:06:10] Emufarmers: oh, only createtalk [17:07:55] 03simetrical * r49645 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (ChangesList.php Title.php): [17:07:55] Fix braindead wrong escaping from r49017, r49018 [17:07:55] URL encoding != HTML encoding! [17:07:55] Thanks for report by Tbleher at: [17:07:55] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49017#c2228 [17:08:17] *Simetrical has no idea how that actually worked during testing. [17:10:18] alright, i have another question [17:10:34] who is prepared for the challenge of answering!? :0 [17:10:42] Just ask [17:11:29] hurray [17:11:40] i have created an opensearch firefox search plugin [17:11:44] for my mediawiki [17:11:49] i want to add autodiscovery of the plugin [17:11:50] OpenSearch is supported by default AFAIK. [17:11:54] [17:12:02] Why are you creating one yourself? [17:12:13] uh. [17:12:18] maybe you misunderstood [17:12:24] you know in firefox the little search bar? [17:12:25] Possibly. [17:12:26] Yes. [17:12:27] you can add search engine plugins? [17:12:39] i created a plugin for firefox that searches my wiki [17:12:40] Yes [17:12:43] that goes in there [17:12:49] You didn't need to, there is one already [17:12:55] really? [17:12:59] Yes [17:13:09] hmm [17:13:10] *RoanKattouw wonders whether that's an extension or in core [17:13:18] I don't know offhand how to enable it, but it's there [17:13:29] how would i be able to add this [17:13:29] to the header [17:13:35] of all pages generated by media wiki [17:13:38] MW will do that automatically [17:13:40] well, that's the one from wikipedia [17:13:41] but [17:13:52] Just go to your wiki, click the Google icon (or whatever) to the left of the search field, click "Add 'yourwikiname'". [17:13:53] okay, how do i get it to do that automatically [17:13:54] cause its not right now [17:14:04] Same as for any site with OpenSearch enabled. [17:14:04] Simetrical: its not offered [17:14:09] What version is your MediaWiki? [17:14:12] Can you link to it? [17:14:15] There is some config option somewhere that you have to set first, I'm looking it up [17:14:22] how can i find out what version i have, i dont' rememebr [17:14:25] what version.. [17:14:28] hi RoanKattouw [17:14:30] alreet [17:14:31] Special:verison [17:14:32] Special:Version [17:14:33] Hi [17:14:40] (Special:Venison! Mm!) [17:15:05] 1.13.3 [17:15:11] is that way out of date? [17:15:17] Not much, one release. [17:15:20] Can you link to your wiki? [17:15:40] www.churchofinternet.com [17:16:08] Shows up for me. [17:16:18] *stwalkerster finds in the source of that page [17:16:18] [17:16:46] Yup, it autodiscovers for me [17:17:01] really? it doesnt' for me [17:17:08] hmm. [17:17:24] wait [17:17:36] probably because i created my own .xml file [17:17:38] let me delete it [17:17:48] Yes, it seems to suggest stuff from enwiki instead [17:17:48] removed [17:17:51] refreshing [17:17:59] closeing and restarting firefox [17:18:06] and there it is [17:18:12] add sarberiankh (en) [17:18:19] COOOOOOOOOOOOOOL [17:18:20] ! [17:18:22] you guys are the best [17:18:31] But does it work? [17:18:50] Why wouldn't it? [17:19:03] wait [17:19:07] it didnt' add sarberiankh [17:19:11] it added "media wiki" [17:19:15] unless that's the generic name? [17:19:29] Yup, works for me [17:19:29] err, nope, its searching mediawiki.org [17:20:00] its not showing up for me [17:20:10] It works for me [17:20:14] delete and reinstall the plugin [17:20:16] Then type '4' [17:20:22] It should suggest "4th law" [17:20:53] set to true: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableMWSuggest [17:21:01] Why do we need a plugin for this? Shouldn't it be on by default? [17:21:02] now it works [17:21:39] it didnt' suggest 4th law to me, but buddies worked [17:21:41] and showed buddies [17:21:50] with the picture of the chobblin holding a buddy [17:21:58] does anyone know if it is possible to add a background image to a div tag in a mediawiki template? I keep trying using inline style but it is not working [17:22:16] now, i need to add a favicon.ico is there somewhere this should go ? [17:22:27] float are working, clears are working, but background-image isn't [17:22:40] oh that's on the search bar /me should read backlog [17:23:58] Paladine, you can't use images in inline style. They're scrubbed, since they could be off-site or otherwise evil. You have to use the site stylesheet. [17:24:23] that is frustrating, I am trying to setup a letter template :/ [17:24:31] with our logo at the top [17:24:49] Just put a class on it and add a rule to MediaWiki:Common.css. [17:25:01] I can do it using a div tag with just the image in, but it is not centred on the template [17:25:54] rainman-sr: are the issues worked out with that setting enough that it should default to true? [17:27:08] Emufarmers, prolly not since the core prefixsearch backend is not very intelligent [17:28:00] but opensearch suggestions on the firefox search bar should work eitherway if api is enabled i think [17:28:17] Why is TitleKey a separate extension? [17:29:15] Simetrical, so I can just add .letter_head {background-image: url('whatever')} to MediaWikie:Common.css then add class="letter_head" to the div in the template? [17:29:24] Emufarmers, no idea, i guess brion taught it's not central enough to go into core [17:30:07] Not central enough as in not of central enough importance? [17:31:29] Paladine, should work, sure. [17:31:34] thanks [17:31:59] Emufarmers, it is adding a table that might not be used by many people [17:33:12] How many people use the math table? :p [17:33:35] hmm.. favicon.ico failure :( [17:33:43] 'course math is marked to be split from the core, so... [17:34:45] Also, rainman-sr: is Extension:TitleKey necessary for case-insensitive search suggestions? [17:35:44] well, it is one of the extensions that will get you case-insensitive suggestions [17:36:35] There are others? [17:38:10] yeah, lucene-search which is the one we're going to be start using soon i hope [17:39:30] I thought lucene-search is the engine? [17:40:03] Salut, des francais dans l'assistance? [17:41:02] yeah, its the backend we got build using lucene, and it can also do search suggestions [17:42:07] But...aren't you using Lucene now? [17:43:05] not for search suggestions you get while you're typing in the search box [17:43:30] those are still handled by titlekey [17:43:54] Ah, so there's the search engine doing its things, and then the suggestions thing is populated by titlekey (or by some default engine if you don't have titlekey)? [17:44:15] yes [17:48:58] Thanksn for the explanation [17:49:06] *thanks [17:49:29] The suggestions thing just uses page_title if you don't have TitleKey, probably, which is why it's case-sensitive if you're using binary collation. [17:49:43] Actually, I wonder if it's case-sensitive if you use a utf8 schema. [17:51:29] *Emufarmers tries [17:51:44] utf8_bin? [17:52:54] That sounds case-sensitive. [17:56:10] Well, it seems to still be case-sensitive with the page table converted to utf8_general_ci [17:58:59] latin1_swedish_ci too [17:59:57] [18:00:20] why won't the background show up in the source of the page I put the template in to [18:00:21] ? [18:00:37] in the source it's: [18:00:42]
[18:00:59] "background" is not a permitted attribute for
in MediaWiki. [18:01:09] sux [18:01:12] Generally speaking, we don't allow direct references to images and so on in wikitext. [18:01:29] I'll try it with css [18:01:36] ty for your help [18:01:47] It has the potential for abuse, e.g., people including images from their own site and then tracking viewers for your site. [18:01:58] hmm [18:01:59] It will be scrubbed from inline CSS too. You have to use MediaWiki:Common.css or similar. [18:02:11] my opensearch plugin thing finds my favicon.ico without any problems [18:02:18] but it is not displaying in the addressabr [18:02:27] why would this be? [18:03:14] This wiki is so remote, insignificant, and let's not forget, hosted on a free server [18:03:23] so I don't really care about this kind of abuse :P [18:03:41] Well, we don't permit it anyway. You could probably hack Sanitizer.php to make it work if you really wanted. [18:03:53] For some reason the lists of allowed attributes aren't admin-editable without hacking the source code. [18:04:33] wait, so, will css work with this one? [18:04:48] PDF_Format: are you sure your browser hasn't just cached the (lack of) favicon? [18:05:30] Emufarmers: i wiped the cache to be sure.. but it turns out it was that i needed to add a /w before the /favicon.ico [18:05:34] doyoyoyy [18:06:20] can $wgStylePath be a URL like http://static.mydomain.com/skins [18:06:30] Eh, traditionally favicons are in the web root, though I guess it doesn't matter since you can specify it with link rel="shortcut icon" [18:08:27] style="background: url('IMG URL HERE');" [18:08:35] why wouldn't that work on a table?:( [18:08:44] because you can't have that inline [18:08:51] you can add it via MediaWiki:Common.css though [18:09:07] great but I need it inline because it's dynamic :P [18:09:14] somthing like [18:09:23] style="background: url('{{{imageurl}}}');" [18:09:27] then you need to hack Santizer.php like Simetrical stated [18:09:33] *Sanitizer.php [18:09:46] I'm not going to mess with the files. [18:09:54] or allow raw html [18:10:20] will it work if I add 5 classes? [18:10:23] 1 for each option [18:10:38] and choose that in the page itself? [18:10:40] like [18:10:40] you can dynamically modify the class it is :) [18:10:47] I mean like [18:10:57] table.class1 { blah } [18:10:59] table.class2 { blah } [18:11:02] and in the page [18:11:10]
[18:11:15] yeah, that should work [18:11:25] aight I'll try it :P [18:11:30] btw [18:11:36] do you think classes in hebrew would work [18:11:38] like [18:11:43] chuck: I just tested it, and it seems to work [18:11:43] �� { blah } [18:11:55] cool, thanks [18:12:12] not sure... I don't know what the css specification states [18:12:15] Epic: #css might now [18:12:17] *know [18:12:19] You should probably have a test wiki where you can play around with config settings [18:14:38] say, [18:14:49] is it possible to apply more then 1 class to a table? [18:14:52] @chuck [18:23:53] hi [18:27:01] Epic, classes in any language should work, as long as you stick to alphanumerics. You can give something multiple classes with class="class1 class2 class3". [18:27:25] I actually try to modify a MW extension. How can I check in one of my extension functions which template or article was calling this function? [18:28:27] how can you get the contents of an article in localsettings.php? Title::makeTitleSafe gives PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function getNsText() on a non-object in C:/Apache/htdocs/w/includes/Title.php on line 402 [18:29:09] Shaiaqua: which version? [18:29:14] 1.13.0 [18:29:47] Shaiaqua, you can't do actual work in LocalSettings.php, nothing is initialized yet. [18:30:02] Put stuff inside functions that are registered with appropriate hooks to be run once everything is set up. [18:30:03] Emufarmers: Yeah, I do have a little local environment setup like a little YourWiki, it's kind of annoying to get it started up though :P [18:31:02] chuck: how is it annoying? [18:31:29] or is it possible to instance a class of my extension temporary for an template call only? [18:32:40] Emufarmers: I'm using MAMP and it doesn't startup very nicely [18:34:17] chuck: you can just have your test wiki on the same server you run your main wiki on [18:34:32] test.yourwiki.net or whatever [18:42:13] Emufarmers: oh, we have that too [18:43:33] Thanks, I got it to work :) [18:44:06] 03purodha * r49646 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 4 dirs): [18:44:06] (bug 7039) Show/hide bots/own edits from Recentchanges via preferences [18:44:06] (Bug 16957) partial fix: Show/hide bots/own edits from Newpage via preferences [18:45:54] 03(mod) Add show/hide to Preferences for option on Special:NewPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16957 +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia) [18:48:30] 03(mod) Show/hide bots/own edits from Recentchanges via preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7039 +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia) [18:50:00] 03(FIXED) Show/hide bots/own edits from Recentchanges via preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7039 (10bugzilla.wikimedia) [19:01:45] What's the syntax for making a default value for a template parameter? [19:01:55] is it {{{spacing|5}}}, with 5 being the default? [19:01:57] 03raymond * r49647 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Follow up r49646: Add new message keys to messages.inc [19:02:06] chuck: Yes. [19:13:03] oh nows? [19:14:13] noes* [19:32:20] is it somehow possible to make templates without parameters parse every time they get called, not only the first time and then cache the result? [19:34:35] 03aaron * r49648 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Bug 18512 &action=render now respects FlaggedRevs' default view [19:34:56] 03(FIXED) &action=render could respect FlaggedRevs' default view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18512 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [19:36:41] 03(FIXED) Suppressed edits reveal content when not logged on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18450 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [19:37:57] Danwe: templates get reparsed whenever the page including them gets parsed. which is whenever it is edited, or one of the templates it contains gets edited. [19:38:13] hello! how many slots did Wikimedia get at GSOC this year? [19:40:03] the birds sang that it's around one hand [19:41:58] really?! just one?! [19:42:34] hand. [19:43:33] @Duesentrieb: When I have the following in article "Test": "{{Test}} and {{Test}} and {{Bla |1}} {{Bla |}}" then {{Test}} is parsed one times, doesn't matter how many calls are in the article page because it has no parameters. teh Bla template is parsed every time because it has parameters with values which could be variable. Isn't that true? [19:43:57] no. [19:44:14] I have the problem that I have a extension which creats variable contents and in template calls without parameters I get the same result every time [19:44:58] in the templates with parameters I get different output. This shows that the templates without parameters must have a cache or something [19:45:13] the extension created variable contents? what does that mean? [19:45:24] perhaps it should use parser functions instead of templates? [19:45:36] i have a parser function which creats a differnt output every time it gets called [19:45:37] hi Duesentrieb [19:45:51] and i use this parser function in these templates [19:45:59] there is some caching going on in the preprocessor, i'm a bit blurry on the details... [19:46:37] Danwe: i'm not 100% sure about "stateful" stuff like that. there could be a problem with it, not sure. the preprocessor wasn't designed to doeal with it. [19:47:03] Hey Nikerabbit [19:47:08] You have to tell the parser that your parser function can't be cached [19:47:30] there's a flag for that? nice. [19:47:40] its very logical; templates which have no parameters must have the same content under all circumstances in MW normally so there is no need to parse them every time they are used in one article. [19:47:51] this is not about the page parser cache though... but about the preprocessor [19:48:38] Danwe: indeed. i misunderstood your question originally, and i'm not quite sure how the prorpocessor handles this. let me see if i can find something relevant. [19:48:50] $parser->disableCache(); // I think this'll solve your problem [19:49:09] ^^ I found this too but i dont understand how to use it [19:49:36] RoanKattouw: i very much doubt it. that's a different cache. unrelated, really. [19:49:56] *RoanKattouw joined halfway [19:50:04] RoanKattouw, Danwe: disableCache() forces the *page* to be reparsed every time it is *viewed* [19:50:34] Yes, I know, but I've only read half of this conversation so I don't exactly know what the problem is [19:50:38] but he's asking how to force the preprocessor to re-evaluate a template every time it is used on a page [19:51:13] his problem is that {{foo}} {{foo}} should return two different results, because he's doning some stateful magic [19:51:21] the preprocessor doesn't like it, i guess [19:52:07] Right [19:52:09] a "good" solution would be a setting flag for this when registering the parser function that does the stateful stuff. [19:52:14] yeah, thats the problem. I guess there is a cache for templates without paras. [19:52:16] no idea if that exists or how hard it would be [19:52:32] Danwe: i think you are right, the preprocessor does that. [19:52:34] Is passing a dummy param or using the pf directly an option? [19:52:47] both should work [19:53:03] you can also subst: the template [19:53:20] <^demon> Nikerabbit: In re: to r49646....Fwiw....do we even need these prefs at all? [19:53:31] i dont like a dummy param like {{foo|}} but yes, it would work [19:53:36] 03(NEW) System messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18521 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (happy-melon) [19:53:38] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Revision-info should accept wikimarkup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16026 (10happy-melon) [19:53:42] 03(mod) MediaWiki:Cascadeprotected and MediaWiki:Cascadedprotectedwarning should take the same parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16111 (10happy-melon) [19:53:45] 03(mod) Clean up the rendering of messages displayed at the top of the edit window - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16175 (10happy-melon) [19:53:47] ^demon: that is my opinion but I tried to be constructive [19:53:48] 03(mod) The warning about editing a semi-protected page can display an irrelevant edit summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17148 (10happy-melon) [19:53:51] 03(mod) Mismatched input syntax for Cite error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17865 (10happy-melon) [19:53:56] 03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007 (10happy-melon) [19:53:59] hmm what is happening [19:54:11] <^demon> New tracking bug.... [19:54:32] oh well [19:54:37] Danwe: i suspect that you would have to supply different param values for each use. otherwise it might also hit the cache. [19:55:22] no it works with {{foo|}}, {{foo|}},{{foo|}},{{foo|}} [19:55:34] looks like there is no cache for same params [19:56:01] huh, interesting. i wonder if that's a bug. [19:56:02] I guess this cache would grow very fast and could be very big [19:56:12] *Duesentrieb looks at Tim-away [19:56:22] the cache is only used while rendering, it's not persistent [19:56:45] How does Wikipedia serve pages so quickly? [19:56:58] <^demon> squid :) [19:57:07] chuck: lots of caches in lots of layers [19:57:08] (And I'm talking about the time in the comment at the end of the page, not how long it takes for me to load) [19:57:10] yes, but perhaps this cache wouldn't benefit much [19:57:14] squid is only the first tier [19:57:26] Danwe: maybe [19:58:08] chuck: internal caches: object cache, parser cache, message cache... and a lot of fast machines and well optimized databases. [19:58:09] the cache would grow with every single different parameter value and perhaps developers think that it only benefits for no parameter templates [19:58:23] perhaps [19:58:41] !tuning [19:58:41] --mwbot-- [19:58:48] chuck: ---^ [19:59:42] thanks [20:01:01] ok, looks like $parser->disableCache(); doesn't help :-( [20:01:46] Duesentrieb: but if I replace CACHE_MEMCACHED with CACHE_ACCEL, would MediaWiki not use memcached at all? [20:02:20] depends on where you replace that [20:02:44] and if you are running mediawiki on a single web server, CACHE_ACCEL is probably better anyway. if it has enough memory available [20:03:02] for $wgMainCacheType [20:03:06] there are three caches for which you can set the type individually [20:03:41] yea, main cache is the object cache. if memcached or accel is better for you, depends on your setup [20:03:56] if you set it to use memcached, make sure you actually have that running :) [20:04:57] How do you set the type individually? [20:05:06] I'd still want to use memcached for the parser cache, right? [20:08:11] <^demon> chuck: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Cache [20:08:22] <^demon> You can set the parser/object/etc caches with those various settings [20:11:16] which cache should I use for the message cache [20:13:17] no big difference I guess, just use some cache [20:20:30] chuck: it very much depends on how much memory you have available. the parser cache should probably use the db. object cache should use memcached if you have multiple web servers, otherwise probably accel. [20:20:53] message cache is also quite important, but i don't know how much memory it uses. could be too large for accel. [20:21:14] also, make sure it's set to actually expire enties. some types of accel cache simply spill. [20:23:51] Duesentrieb: messages are serialised, aren't they? [20:24:14] and the ones customised are then stored in some cache [20:24:26] with the biggest ones approacing 1M at translatewiki [20:25:42] 03rotem * r49649 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (messages.inc writeMessagesArray.inc): Follow-up to r49558: Remove per-message comments support from rebuildLanguage.php. [20:27:50] Duesentrieb: is the MainCacheType the object cache setting? [20:28:15] <^demon> Yes [20:28:28] 03(mod) Database table cleanup (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16660 (10happy-melon) [20:28:32] 03(mod) Fix broken category counts on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18488 (10happy-melon) [20:30:36] would APC fall under the list of caches that need to be explicitly told when to expire stuff [20:30:48] MW should do that for you, right? [20:30:49] 03rotem * r49650 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Follow-up to r49646: Untested fix for the problem that bots are now not hidden by default in Special:Recentchanges. [20:42:28] RoanKattouw: i don't hink it does.... [20:42:42] chuck: yes, i think so. check the apc manual [20:42:46] It sets expiry times, right [20:43:12] Duesentrieb: afaik it only "purges" when full [20:43:25] RoanKattouw: iirc, apc has one global expiry setting. [20:43:43] Nikerabbit: yes, but if you don't set an expiry time, it doesn't porge, it just drops *new* entries. [20:43:48] i.e. it spilly [20:43:51] err, spills [20:43:52] http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:ViewAPC [20:44:11] oh pretty. [20:44:22] pretty comes at cost [20:44:51] 03(NEW) Unused tag cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18523 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (innocentkiller) [20:57:22] huh, two questions about background-image in a row, heh [20:59:29] 03(NEW) Wrap MediaWiki:Protect-cascadeon in a div for identification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18522 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (happy-melon) [20:59:54] 03(mod) System messages (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18521 (10happy-melon) [21:03:44] 03demon * r49651 10/trunk/phase3/ (9 files in 5 dirs): [21:03:44] Reverting r49646 (and followups r49647 r49650) per comments on code review: [21:03:44] * Could possibly be 1 pref instead of two to reduce clutter [21:03:44] * A pref for NewPages doesn't belong with prefs for RecentChanges [21:03:44] * This should definitely wait for the preference branch to be merged [21:05:06] 04(REOPENED) Show/hide bots/own edits from Recentchanges via preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7039 +comment (10innocentkiller) [21:05:09] 03(mod) Add show/hide to Preferences for option on Special:NewPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16957 +comment (10innocentkiller) [21:17:05] is there a way to enable recursive template calls? [21:17:35] I ever thought it's possible that a template calls itself at least one times but I alredy get an error the first time it calls itself [21:19:12] siebrand: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49646#c2235 but NewPages are scraped directly from the recent changes table, seems valid ^_^ [21:21:57] Danwe: we don't want to make templating turing complete, no :) [21:24:22] some people do [21:25:00] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/index.php?action=raw&title=Infinite_recursion&ctype=text/css [21:25:07] this might be broken in 1.15 though [21:25:24] the trick there is, though, that it isn't infinite, it is parametered [21:25:38] instead of the template call in the template, the template call is in the parameter to the template [21:26:38] looks funny [21:26:53] but you think it might would not work with 1.15? [21:27:49] Danwe: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=49212 [21:28:14] that is just for a different type of circular reference (involving redirects) [21:28:21] but tim might have fixed this other "bug" too [21:28:42] but possibly not, give it a try [21:29:44] Could someone review and apply the patch at bug 18203? Is this the right place to ask this? [21:37:39] 03mfarag * r49652 10/trunk/tools/planet/ar/config.ini: Add a new blog and comment out an outdated one [21:53:12] Splarka: not to me. [21:53:43] Splarka: would be valid if Special:NewPages would be integrated in Special:Rc. [21:54:06] "Show new pages only"... [22:20:24] 03rememberthedot * r49653 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: [22:20:24] Make the link regex non-greedy so that it is possible to add '|' to $wgLegalTitleChars and still be able to pipe [22:20:24] links. This change should have no effect on the default configuration, which does not include '|' in [22:20:24] $wgLegalTitleChars because including it still breaks other things. [22:23:43] <_T-Rex_> Hey I have a question... [22:23:45] <_T-Rex_> in wikipedia you can click on special chars below the save-button (i.e. the †) [22:23:46] <_T-Rex_> my question: how can i install this "toolbar" in my own wikipedia?? [22:23:47] indeed it breaks... [22:24:07] <_T-Rex_> my own wiki, i mean [22:24:09] <_T-Rex_> ^^ [22:24:26] _T-Rex_: charinsert extension or what was it called [22:36:33] siebrand: list=recentchanges on the api does that ^_^ [22:37:25] !r 49653 [22:37:25] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49653 [22:38:26] That should probably have test cases. [22:39:49] I'd like to know why [22:40:09] Why have test cases or why he made the change? [22:40:37] why the change [22:40:54] Comment on the rev? :-) [22:41:54] Marybelle: huh? [22:42:17] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49653 <-- You can ask why he made the change. [22:43:04] ok [22:43:30] I just commented on that bug that the API will be broken beyond belief by titles containing | characters [22:44:14] bug? [22:44:17] is there a bug? [22:44:40] Well maybe not beyond belief... but almost any attempt to specify these titles to the API (which might be necessary if the 51st title in your result contains a |) will fail [22:45:41] I'm currently attempting to nicely yell at him for removing $wgRestrictDisplayTitle [22:46:22] I'm waiting for brion to catch up with reviewing and revert half of the changes [22:47:37] heh [22:47:53] I'm waiting for Brion to get on line tomorrow so I can poke him about an urgent GSoC thing immediately [22:48:20] It'll take him like 2 mins but it has to be done before noon, with some margin (preferably before 9 AM) [22:48:32] I saw him on en.wiki... [22:48:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&diff=227327272&oldid=210732098 [22:49:25] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/45734 [22:49:39] Splarka: so? [22:49:43] those are where I remember RTD [22:49:50] breaking the main page and sneeking in string functions [22:50:09] :D [22:50:13] breaking? [22:50:17] The string functions thing was funny. [22:50:22] [22:50:22] body.page-Main_Page, body.page-Portal_Wikipedia h1.firstHeading { [22:50:29] look closely [22:50:40] h1.firstHeading should be before the comma as well [22:50:45] indeed [22:50:59] Thus we had a blank Main Page. [22:51:55] screw this [22:51:57] *Emufarmers adds "be bold" to the list of Wikipedia principles that do not apply to development [22:52:03] *Skizzerz just adds $wgRestrictDisplayTitle back [22:52:25] omg wheel war [22:52:27] Eh, developer wheel warring is nasty. [22:52:51] so is removing features without proper discussion beforehand [22:53:02] Indeed. [22:53:08] aww [22:53:09] An eye for an eye and all that. ;-) [22:53:10] be nice [22:53:20] make sex not ponies or how did it go [22:53:28] o.O [22:54:09] Heh. [22:56:21] ugh, rtd is too wmf-centric [22:56:40] *Splarka supports Skizzerz on the revert [22:57:01] "only one of our wikis are using it and 99% of other wikis won't need it" is NOT justification [23:00:15] I'll go fix his cute bug that could potentially allow all html while I'm at it [23:05:55] 03(mod) New pages log doesn't remove/update item after suppression redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17463 15enhancement->normal; +comment (10matthew.britton) [23:10:47] hi everyone ive installed mediawiki today [23:11:01] and loggedin as admin but how do i start to write a manual ? with table of contents etc [23:11:21] i dont see the complete picture yet i guess [23:11:25] Just enter the name of the page you want to create in the search bar. [23:11:32] You'll be given the option to create it. [23:12:03] hmm [23:12:19] rtd's fix to allow and & kin in displaytitle has some odd consequences [23:12:40] {{DISPLAYTITLE:Foo}} [23:13:13] makes the first heading blank and has the text "Foo" underneath [23:13:23] (provided the page is called "Foo") [23:13:24] i enter the name of the page i want in the search bar okah i try that [23:13:33] border:0 solid; <-- Heh. [23:14:00] hmm search gives me an empty page :| [23:14:04] Skizzerz: Ugh. How the hell does it let

tags in there? [23:14:16] the rest works fine but that gives a blank page [23:14:32] because he changed how it sanitizes it in order to allow and [23:15:11] Hrmph. It should be explicit which tags are allowed there... [23:15:27] indeed [23:16:01] new global or hard-coded? [23:16:24] Global. [23:16:26] Hard-coding is gross. [23:16:28] Though... [23:16:32] Not sure how often people would ever want to change it. [23:16:34] *Marybelle shrugs. [23:16:52] okay i have a bug in my custom template several pages dont show up ;s but look into that later [23:17:07] say you want sections.. i want 1 FAQ, and 1 manual section is that possible? [23:17:37] then just have several subsections with the questions that links to the pages with answers, and for the manual sections and subsections with a table of content and all in the same page [23:18:25] btw.. i now set a default theme,, right after the login i get again an empty page :\ anyone knows how this can happen? [23:18:29] nothing appears all blank [23:18:48] 03(NEW) Preferences: unify filter options of recent changes, new pages, watchlist, rechent changes linked, - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18524 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [23:19:41] Skizzerz: fix > revert, but revert is faster [23:19:54] Splarka: /me prefers fix :) [23:20:03] but then he'll never learn! [23:23:19] ick, I don't even know if that is fixable [23:25:21] guys how can i listen certain pages? [23:36:22] 03(NEW) Hiding a username should not remove useful links to user contribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18525 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (spidermannequin) [23:42:26] 03(NEW) Improve hiding of usernames by looking for rv's with revealing edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18526 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (spidermannequin) [23:42:28] 03(mod) Wanted: "Nearby contributions" links in history and diff views - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7566 (10spidermannequin) [23:47:40] 03(mod) Improve hiding of usernames by looking for rv's with revealing edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18526 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [23:49:03] 03skizzerz * r49654 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [23:49:03] Follow-up on r49330 [23:49:03] * re-add $wgRestrictDisplayTitle [23:49:03] * revert r49610 [23:49:03] * prevent block-level and other such tags from being used in DISPLAYTITLE (while still allowing tags such as and ) [23:52:48] hmm, brb, gotta restart comp