[00:00:04] <NightKev>	"file:\\etc" i think he means?
[00:00:22] <Marybelle>	Why would a wiki have such links?
[00:00:42] <Splarka>	#bodyContent a[href ^="https://"],.link-https {background: url(lock_icon.gif) center right no-repeat;padding: 0 16px;}
[00:00:51] <Splarka>	/monobook/main.css
[00:01:08] <chzz>	ty Splarka, perfect info as always
[00:01:11] <Splarka>	just define a css rule for #bodyContent a[href ^="file:///"]
[00:01:26] <Splarka>	note this is CSS2 so old IE will fail at it anyway
[00:01:34] <chzz>	yep, thx
[00:04:44] <NightKev>	Did "Language::getSkinNames()" aka "$wgLang->getSkinNames()" change names/get deleted sometime in MW1.14?
[00:17:25] <Splarka>	NightKev: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php?r1=45031&r2=45030&pathrev=45031
[00:17:35] <Splarka>	see http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=45031
[00:18:36] <Splarka>	1.14 was branched in 45547 so that made it in
[00:23:32] <NightKev>	ah
[01:33:44] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49723 10/branches/preferences-work/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[01:33:44] <CIA-15>	* noted obsolete for user_options field
[01:33:44] <CIA-15>	* changed bigint to int for up_user
[01:33:44] <CIA-15>	* changed array_insert_after to wfArrayInsertAfter
[01:33:44] <CIA-15>	* doc comment for the format of XmlSelect::formatOptions
[01:33:45] <CIA-15>	* == instead of === for comparing with default in same function
[01:33:47] <CIA-15>	* moved serialize() call in saveOptions
[01:43:06] <^demon>	Simetrical: Fwiw, all of your e-mails are being marked as spam by Gmail :-\ Not list e-mails in general, just *your* emails to the list.
[01:45:59] <CIA-15>	03tomasz * r49724 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeText.php: Don't return a bad template if a memcache node is down
[02:16:22] <CIA-15>	03tomasz * r49725 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeText.php: Let's try to match at least once template char
[02:31:30] <UDK2>	css probs, again. ok, on http://ycm.wikia.com , i changed the CSS of the monaco to change the color of links in category boxes to blue, but it isnt working, and i did use Ctrl + F5. so whats up with it
[02:32:25] <chuck>	Have you asked #wikia
[02:32:30] <UDK2>	no
[02:32:38] <UDK2>	i will ow tho
[03:02:18] <yousaf465_>	to which folder I have to upload media wiki files
[03:03:41] <yousaf465_>	anybody listing
[03:18:47] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49726 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/maintenance/convertUserOptions.php: Reimplement convertUserOptions to run as a batch on lots of 50 users. Tested locally on a dump of elwikiversity and it took about 10-15 seconds for 666 users.
[03:20:35] <Marybelle>	zomg 666.
[03:20:46] <Marybelle>	el.wikiversity is the Devil. :-(
[03:21:04] <Marybelle>	(I'm shocked to learn they have that many users, too.)
[03:22:25] <werdna>	i bet they're all just autocreated
[03:22:44] <werdna>	There ended up being 14,886 user_properties rows.
[03:29:19] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49727 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/RecordAdmin_body.php: don't use special page title in parsing for record table rendering
[03:30:25] <chuck>	What is el?
[03:30:49] <chuck>	ah, greek
[03:33:18] <werdna>	yeah
[03:42:50] <chuck>	werdna: How's the new preferences work going?
[03:45:08] <werdna>	chuck: almost ready to merge in
[03:45:14] <werdna>	just a few little nitpicks
[03:45:20] <chuck>	cool
[03:45:27] <chuck>	so what are the big changes in the new system?
[03:45:40] <werdna>	almost entirely internal changes
[03:46:11] <werdna>	the storage is in a separate table, the form has been cleaned up and made consistent and maintainable.
[03:47:20] <chuck>	Are preferences still stored as huge fields with a little comma separated values-esque format still?
[03:48:21] <werdna>	no
[03:48:30] <chuck>	:O
[03:49:46] <chuck>	werdna: so is the conversion of this going to be put into the update.php script?
[03:51:33] <werdna>	no there's a separate script
[03:51:48] <werdna>	as well as on-demand conversion
[03:52:37] <chuck>	oh, nice
[03:53:34] <Huufarted>	How do I change the wiki address from /index.php/article_name to /article_name ?
[03:53:42] <slithytove2006>	hi
[03:54:28] <Mike_lifeguard>	!short_url
[03:54:28] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[03:54:41] <Huufarted>	lol Mike.  Thanks
[03:55:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	np
[03:56:01] <slithytove2006>	@huufarted: apache rewrite seems to hae issues with international characters. (my workaround was to create another rewrite that used the multi-byte version as this was sometimes what it was looking for). if you need this, id be more than happy to help
[03:58:22] <Huufarted>	slithytove2006: gotcha
[03:58:24] <slithytove2006>	is there a default interwiki link that does to meta.mediawiki.org?
[03:58:52] <chuck>	werdna: So how exact does this new system facilitate global permissions?
[03:59:22] <chuck>	err
[03:59:26] <chuck>	*preferences
[03:59:34] <slithytove2006>	new system?
[04:00:08] <werdna>	chuck: the pref saving thing now has a simple hook that can be used to modify/view preferences as they're being saved
[04:00:14] <werdna>	it's just a big associative array passed along
[04:00:43] <werdna>	so centralauth just grabs the array, stores it in the central database, and replaces it locally with array( 'globalpreferences' => 1 );
[04:01:03] <chuck>	Hmm.. I'll have to look into that, then.
[04:01:03] <werdna>	and on load it does the reverse, if globalpreferences is 1, it pulls in from the central database.
[04:01:15] <werdna>	look at the branch
[04:01:23] <chuck>	Some users are complaining that their skin/language/whatever settings are being carried along to all sites on the farm
[04:01:56] <werdna>	eh?
[04:01:58] <slithytove2006>	thats complaining?
[04:02:01] <werdna>	you're running this in production?
[04:02:29] <chuck>	werdna: No, we're using shared user tables right now :P
[04:02:35] <werdna>	oh right
[04:02:58] <werdna>	well if you don't want that you can make the user_properties table unshared
[04:26:22] <Huufarted>	Mike_lifeguard: I just switched it to the short URL, but now it's ignoring CSS.  The page looks like crap.
[04:27:02] <Mike_lifeguard>	make sure your wgWhateveritscalled is set right (let me look it up)
[04:27:24] <Huufarted>	The content of the page is displayed properly, just not the format.
[04:28:11] <Mike_lifeguard>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localsettings#Stylesheet_location
[04:28:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	that sounds likely
[04:28:28] <Huufarted>	oh snap.  That looks irght
[04:28:30] <Huufarted>	right*
[04:35:07] <werdna>	gadget is such an ugly word
[04:39:12] <Splarka>	widget?
[04:39:30] <Splarka>	scripty-tumtums
[04:39:43] <chuck>	Yeah I don't get why mediawiki gadgets are called gadgets
[04:39:51] <Splarka>	blame duessy
[04:40:05] <Splarka>	oh, werd, while you're at it...
[04:40:10] <Splarka>	sorta related to prefs work
[04:40:20] <chuck>	while he's at what, complaining about words? 
[04:40:52] <Splarka>	maybe have some consistency on which pages load user/gadget css/js and which don't, like changepass/preferences/login
[04:41:38] <werdna>	that's not at all related to preferences :P
[04:42:37] <Splarka>	sure it is...
[04:42:51] <Splarka>	password changing was split from preferences...
[04:43:16] <Splarka>	before that, user/gadget css/js didn't load where you changed your password, but now it (or some of it) does
[04:44:07] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes#cite_note-ul-0
[04:47:31] <werdna>	you know what the response is, right?
[04:47:34] <werdna>	:)
[04:52:30] <Splarka>	file a bug and get it ignored, yes, there is one, it is ignored
[04:52:34] <Splarka>	next step is bug the devs
[04:52:42] *Splarka 	coats werdna with honey and looks for bees
[04:55:56] <werdna>	Splarka: or fix it yourself
[04:58:55] <Splarka>	boring
[05:17:30] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r49728 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (CodeReview.php svnImport.php): (bug 18444) Allow modification of default chunk size for low-use svn repositories
[05:17:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow modification of default chunk size for low-use svn repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18444  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:21:16] <NightKev>	I'm curious, what does the "wg" stand for in "$wgVariableX"/etc? "wiki g[...]"?
[05:21:36] <Marybelle>	global
[05:21:40] <werdna>	wiki global
[05:21:41] <NightKev>	ah
[05:22:05] <NightKev>	Yeah I suppose that makes sense.
[05:40:47] <NightKev>	Okay, this uploader strangeness is baffling me. I get this error: Warning: file_exists() [function.file-exists]: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/tmp/WEBUPLOADPjUDuP) is not within the allowed path(s): (/var/sites/fraxy/) in /var/sites/fraxy/w/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php on line 150
[05:40:47] <NightKev>	Now, I checked and it looks like it should create the temporary file at "/var/sites/fraxy/w/images/tmp/<tempfile>" but... that's not what it does at all, it seems? I'm not sure how to fix this, there doesn't seem to be anything to fix. When uploading files from my/etc computer (this happens to everyone), there isn't even an error message, it just says the file is "empty".
[05:41:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) links subseded when used along with citations. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18544  (10subhash.raut)
[05:41:37] <werdna>	!safemode | NightKev 
[05:41:37] --mwbot--	NightKev: safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[05:42:15] <NightKev>	ah
[05:42:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) links subseded when used along with citations. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18544  (10subhash.raut)
[05:45:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hideuser irreversible in edit histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18542  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:46:34] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49729 10/branches/preferences-work/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
[05:46:34] <CIA-15>	Remove arrays as preferences, replace with icky multiple keys (better for many pragmatic reasons including bulk queries and defaults, as discussed with Tim and Brion on IRC).
[05:46:34] <CIA-15>	Also, set some defaults for preferences, to prevent them from being saved into the database.
[05:47:30] <werdna>	AaronSchulz: you're not a sysop on testwiki?
[05:47:55] <werdna>	AaronSchulz: you are now
[05:48:46] <werdna>	AaronSchulz: are these defaults ok for the flaggedrevs prefs
[05:48:46] <werdna>	$wgDefaultUserOptions['flaggedrevssimpleui'] = true;
[05:48:46] <werdna>	$wgDefaultUserOptions['flaggedrevsstable'] = true;
[05:49:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) GeSHI highlighting is broken for bashwhen an apostrophe/single quote is encountered inside a comment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18553 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (facadeofwalls)
[05:50:22] *Splarka 	thinks that is upstream
[05:50:44] <AaronSchulz>	werdna: the simpleui default is $wgSimpleFlaggedRevsUI
[05:52:05] <werdna>	ok done
[05:52:13] <werdna>	is the other ok
[05:52:22] *Splarka 	also thinks Aaron was a sysop/crat as VOA before?
[05:52:34] <werdna>	probably
[05:52:55] <Nikerabbit>	hello Splarka 
[05:53:00] <Splarka>	rar rabbit
[05:53:57] <Splarka>	<source lang="javascript">var foo = /\'/;var bar = "wat";</source>
[05:54:01] <Splarka>	I mean, is this mediawiki's fault?
[05:56:15] <Splarka>	ahh, like 15175
[05:56:15] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r49730 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialBlockip.php: fix silly typo
[05:56:24] <AaronSchulz>	werdna: that should synced
[05:56:44] <werdna>	whats the impact?
[05:57:30] <AaronSchulz>	some names won't hide in deleted revs when they should
[05:57:38] <werdna>	you mean all names ;)
[05:58:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GeSHI highlighting is broken for bashwhen an apostrophe/single quote is encountered inside a comment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18553  +comment (10herd)
[05:58:56] <werdna>	looks ok
[06:01:06] <werdna>	a bah on ssh-add
[06:01:10] <werdna>	I always forget it ;)
[06:03:17] <Nikerabbit>	the first thing I do after logging in is ssh-add
[06:03:29] <Nikerabbit>	then bring up wlan and then "ssh irc"
[06:03:56] <werdna>	I always forget whether I've done it or not
[06:04:02] <werdna>	on the cluster
[06:04:24] <werdna>	see it's not a big deal usually
[06:04:33] <werdna>	but on wikimedia the ssh'ing I do is sync-file
[06:04:44] <werdna>	and that means sshing to 200 hosts at once
[06:04:47] <werdna>	so I get something like this
[06:05:08] <werdna>	Enter passphrase for key '/home/andrew/.ssh/id_rsa': Enter passphrase for key '/home/andrew/.ssh/id_rsa': Enter passphrase for key '/home/andrew/.ssh/id_rsa': Enter passphrase for key '/home/andrew/.ssh/id_rsa': Enter passphrase for key '/home/andrew/.ssh/id_rsa': Enter passphrase for key '/home/andrew/.ssh/id_rsa': Enter passphrase for key '/home/andrew/.ssh/id_rsa':
[06:05:13] <werdna>	for a few pages
[06:05:15] <Nikerabbit>	ssh-add -L | wc -l :o
[06:05:42] <NightKev>	Hm, I implemented the "safe_mode" workarounds listed in the http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode page but the same errors still occur regarding image uploads. It seems to be ignoring the new code I put in maybe?
[06:06:09] <werdna>	depends where you put it ;)
[06:06:20] <NightKev>	the end of localsettings.php
[06:06:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hideuser irreversible in edit histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18542  (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:06:43] <werdna>	but that error would need php.ini changes
[06:06:47] <AaronSchulz>	is testwiki on TS as s3 testwiki_p? Doesn't seem to be the same.
[06:06:50] <werdna>	you'll need to file a ticket with your host
[06:06:54] <NightKev>	oh
[06:06:54] <NightKev>	okay
[06:07:03] <Marybelle>	AaronSchulz: Yes, it is.
[06:07:41] <AaronSchulz>	'Sandbox' hist doesn't seem to match up at all :)
[06:08:23] <werdna>	AaronSchulz:           Replicate_Ignore_DB: blocker,boards,boardvote,boardvote2005,boardvote2006,boardvotetest,bugs,defoundation,jamestemp,katesdb,rt3,webshop,wikimania,wikimaniawiki,internalwiki,grantswiki,mysql,devwikiinternal,otrs,test,testwiki,tmp,rel13testwiki,boardwiki,wikimania2005wiki,commonswiki
[06:10:29] *AaronSchulz 	needs oversight on test
[06:11:20] <werdna>	I'm not sure what the deal is there.
[06:11:26] <werdna>	I can oversight some edits for you if you want
[06:11:32] <werdna>	or users in this case
[06:12:22] <Marybelle>	AaronSchulz: You should be able to simply ask a steward.
[06:12:57] <Splarka>	heh
[06:13:19] <AaronSchulz>	no, for testing that bug #
[06:13:28] <Marybelle>	Right. 
[06:13:35] *AaronSchulz 	listens to Bolero again
[06:13:57] <Splarka>	daaaa... da da da da da.da.da.da.da.... da da. da da daaaaaaa...
[06:14:07] <werdna>	AaronSchulz: can you do it locally?
[06:14:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Hideuser irreversible in edit histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18542  +comment (10pathoschild+wmbugs)
[06:14:30] <Pathoschild>	:)
[06:14:33] <AaronSchulz>	nevermind
[06:14:36] <Pathoschild>	AaronSchulz: Thanks, working fine now.
[06:18:25] <NightKev>	One last question for tonight, is there any way to change the name of a powergroup (ie: "bureaucrat" -> "SysAdmin" for example) other than mass "$wgPermissions['SysAdmin'][] = 'edituser';"/etc (which really only creates a new one anyway)?
[06:19:14] <Marybelle>	The interface messages are customizeable.
[06:19:19] <Marybelle>	Customizable. 
[06:19:25] <Marybelle>	See Special:AllMessages.
[06:20:15] <NightKev>	ok
[06:20:36] <Splarka>	that page sucks. MediaWiki:Group-bureaucrat  MediaWiki:Group-bureaucrat-member MediaWiki:Grouppage-bureaucrat
[06:20:44] <NightKev>	heh
[06:21:26] <Splarka>	note it still gets referred to as 'bureaucrat' internally, eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop
[06:21:40] <Splarka>	they renamed sysop 'administrator' but notice the URL
[06:21:58] <NightKev>	ah
[06:22:13] <Splarka>	so you may actually want to rename the group in your LocalSettings
[06:22:32] <Marybelle>	I don't think that will change anything.
[06:22:58] <Marybelle>	Well...
[06:23:01] <Splarka>	sure it will, give the rights to the new group, and take them away from the old group, and ignore that group
[06:23:07] <Marybelle>	That's gross.
[06:23:09] <Splarka>	that is 'renaming'
[06:23:09] <Marybelle>	But, yeah.
[06:23:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete: hidden users appear in log entries created after the hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18383  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:23:14] <Splarka>	that's what WMF did, sorta
[06:30:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API lists no usercontribs for users blocked with 'hideuser' (but Special:Contributions does) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18554 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (pathoschild+wmbugs)
[06:31:26] <Nikerabbit>	mauw
[06:31:34] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: what is wrong with Special:Allmessages?
[06:31:44] <Marybelle>	Nikerabbit: It's fucking huge.
[06:31:50] <Marybelle>	(That's what she said.)
[06:32:03] <Nikerabbit>	what is wrong with Special:Translate? :o
[06:32:17] <Splarka>	actually she said it takes forever to get up and hardly moves when you try to go down it
[06:32:26] <Splarka>	and the filter is so damn slow
[06:32:32] <Marybelle>	"You have requested a special page that is not recognized by Wikipedia. A list of all recognized special pages may be found at Special:Specialpages." ;-)
[06:32:42] <Nikerabbit>	get a better browser, your javascript is slow
[06:32:43] <Marybelle>	Yeah. Too large and bad search.
[06:32:51] <Nikerabbit>	:D
[06:32:58] <Marybelle>	Nikerabbit: People literally run out of memory trying to load it...
[06:33:05] <Splarka>	get a better attitude, your "mightier than thou" doesn't belong
[06:33:22] <Splarka>	"my 8 gigs of ram can load it, buck up chum"
[06:33:25] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: you ought to know that I hate special:allmessages :o
[06:33:32] <Splarka>	so stop defending it
[06:33:41] <Nikerabbit>	I'm not defending it
[06:33:49] <Marybelle>	"Let's put every CSS page, JS page, blacklist, and system message on the same page. Hurr."
[06:33:58] <Nikerabbit>	it's just that in my opinion it should go, but there is not yet a better replacement
[06:34:00] <Splarka>	sure sounds like you are
[06:34:16] <Splarka>	well, translatewiki of course is much better
[06:34:29] <Splarka>	but one can't easily refer to it for these types of examples
[06:34:38] <Splarka>	en.wp I knew right away had an example of a renamed group, for example
[06:34:52] <Nikerabbit>	well, tw has totally different purpose
[06:35:04] <Marybelle>	It just needs better search and some pagination.
[06:35:05] <Splarka>	I mean Special:Translate
[06:35:10] <Nikerabbit>	that too
[06:35:15] <Splarka>	<Nikerabbit> Splarka: what is wrong with Special:Allmessages?
[06:35:20] <Splarka>	but please tell me
[06:35:22] <Nikerabbit>	it's not good for customisation
[06:35:23] <Splarka>	what is /right/ about it? ^_^
[06:35:39] <Marybelle>	The title of the page accurately reflects its contents.
[06:35:41] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: search, even though it sucks
[06:35:49] <Marybelle>	That's what's right about it.
[06:35:54] <Splarka>	I save the page as a .txt file and grep it, if I have to
[06:35:59] <Nikerabbit>	Marybelle: well, it could list all messages in all languages :D
[06:36:09] *Marybelle 	stabs the rabbit.
[06:36:21] <Nikerabbit>	btw, doesn't lucene search work too?
[06:36:28] <Splarka>	well, it almost does
[06:36:43] *Marybelle 	votes for a new namespace. Again.
[06:36:49] <Splarka>	depends on what you need to do though, like, to find all customized messages that have defaults
[06:37:04] <Marybelle>	Or at least split non-messages from AllMessages.
[06:37:08] <Marybelle>	Like Common.css, etc.
[06:37:12] <Pathoschild>	(NEW) Special:Allpages does not show their content (but Special:Allmessages does) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18554 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (pathoschild+wmbugs)
[06:37:17] <Splarka>	find all customized messages: Special:Prefixindex... find all defaults: /languages/messages/MessagesEn.php, find both (or those for extensions)... you're looking at Allmessages
[06:37:46] <Splarka>	the api has some useful stuff but...
[06:38:05] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r49731 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialBlockip.php: 
[06:38:05] <CIA-15>	* Added visibility to some functions
[06:38:05] <CIA-15>	* Whitespace/style/comment tweaks
[06:38:06] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=allmessages&ammessages=Longpagewarning&format=jsonfm
[06:38:25] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ASearch&advanced=1&ns8=1&search=sysop
[06:38:26] <Splarka>	allmessages seems to parse the message, which is kinda useless, like if it has parameters
[06:38:39] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: it shouldn't
[06:39:17] <Splarka>	<strong class=\"error\">Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character \"$\"<\/strong>
[06:39:31] *Splarka 	wonders what it is doing
[06:39:40] <Nikerabbit>	Marybelle: no, not namespace :o
[06:39:44] <Nikerabbit>	in the database
[06:40:00] <Marybelle>	Hm?
[06:40:12] <Nikerabbit>	the blacklists and other configuration stuff
[06:40:17] <Marybelle>	Oh.
[06:40:27] <Marybelle>	The blacklists, sure.
[06:40:38] <Nikerabbit>	not sure about css... maybe it could stay
[06:40:41] <Marybelle>	But the CSS and JS pages seem appropriate as pages.
[06:40:54] <Marybelle>	Things like the bad image list should die.
[06:41:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Customizable captcha question(s) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18555 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (brettz9)
[06:41:06] <Splarka>	everything that doesn't need to be called by wfmsg should be kicked out into a new autoprotected namespace, IMHO
[06:41:14] <Splarka>	Configuration:Foobar
[06:41:25] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: we have great extension:configure
[06:41:29] <Nikerabbit>	no need for new namespaces
[06:41:42] <Splarka>	does it store full revisions for all changes to such things?
[06:41:45] <Splarka>	like Common.js ?
[06:42:33] <Splarka>	site CSS uses the messagecache via action=raw&usemsgcache=yes, but site js doesn't (it uses gen=js)
[06:42:51] <Splarka>	funny thing, if usemsgcache=yes gets removed, wiktionary loses site css, heh
[06:43:05] <Splarka>	the title is normalized but the css is actuallt called via lowercase
[06:54:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete: hidden users appear in log entries created after the hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18383  (10dmcdevit)
[06:59:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete: hidden users appear in log entries created after the hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18383  (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:00:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete: hidden users appear in log entries created after the hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18383  (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:02:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oracle Single Schema database abstraction - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18492  (10freak)
[07:06:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API lists no usercontribs for users blocked with 'hideuser' (but Special:Contributions does) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18554  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:09:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete: hidden users appear in log entries created after the hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18383  (10dmcdevit)
[07:10:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please close Yoruba Wikibooks. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18556 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (dferg-wiki)
[07:31:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete: hidden users appear in log entries created after the hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18383  (10dmcdevit)
[07:33:12] <Nikerabbit>	what is up with the google logo?
[07:33:25] <Pathoschild>	Earth Day.
[07:34:06] <Pathoschild>	They often change the logo for special events; if you hover your cursor over the logo, it will tell you what event it commemorates.
[07:34:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API lists no usercontribs for users blocked with 'hideuser' (but Special:Contributions does) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18554  (10pathoschild+wmbugs)
[07:34:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete: hidden users appear in log entries created after the hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18383  (10JSchulz_4587)
[07:38:39] <Marybelle>	You can usually click the logo too.
[07:42:07] <Splarka>	or look at it
[07:44:58] <kraut>	moin
[08:38:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) links subseded when used along with citations. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18544  (10roan.kattouw)
[08:54:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) links subseded when used along with citations. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18544  (10subhash.raut)
[09:21:46] <CIA-15>	03catrope * r49732 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryUserContributions.php): API: (bug 18554) Also list hidden revisions in list=usercontribs for privileged users
[09:22:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API lists no usercontribs for users blocked with 'hideuser' (but Special:Contributions does) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18554  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:26:20] *werdna 	sets a Roan trap
[09:32:44] *Splarka 	baits it with easy API bugs
[10:09:13] <magewhopper>	why mediawiki api returns different structure between block and protct at recentchanges?
[10:10:04] <magewhopper>	block log has [block] array, protect has only [0]=> text 
[10:10:24] <werdna>	file a bug
[10:10:36] <magewhopper>	*D
[10:20:18] <Splarka>	magewhopper: wat
[10:20:31] <magewhopper>	?
[10:21:21] <Splarka>	ahh  <block flags="nocreate,noautoblock,noemail" duration="1 second" expiry="2009-04-21T03:40:33Z" /> vs <param>[edit=sysop] (indefinite) [move=sysop] (indefinite)</param>
[10:22:00] <magewhopper>	yup
[10:22:03] <Splarka>	probably that's how block and protect give the information to the log/rc tables?
[10:22:46] <Splarka>	API takes a lot of rap for just doing what it is told, rather than the UI which is stacks of hacks on the backs of slacks on macs
[10:24:05] <werdna>	whoa, aaron sleeps
[10:24:30] <magewhopper>	on format=txt/php, [0] and [1] are given 
[10:24:49] <Splarka>	yah, same for json
[10:24:54] <Splarka>	first/second parameters
[10:25:12] <Splarka>	delete for example gives oldid and the revision for those
[10:25:36] <Splarka>	for revision delete
[10:25:39] <magewhopper>	why not [protect] thing then?
[10:25:46] <magewhopper>	nor [delete] ?
[10:25:58] <Splarka>	maybe they predate that convention?
[10:26:18] <magewhopper>	hmm ok
[10:29:53] <Splarka>	perhaps someone versed in the devil-language of which it is writ can discern among the entrails the rhyme and reason
[10:30:25] <werdna>	haha, writ
[10:30:29] *werdna 	issues a writ of mandamus
[10:31:42] <Splarka>	http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/writ#Verb
[10:32:19] <Splarka>	if it amuseth thee, perhaps you might tell master magewhopper the reason behind yon protect log devilry
[10:41:53] <sunshine>	hello
[10:41:54] <tsdh>	Hi.
[10:42:22] <magewhopper>	tell master??
[10:42:25] <magewhopper>	hi
[10:42:57] <tsdh>	Is it possible to insert <script> tags in mediawiki?  If I insert such a tag in the editor it'll show up as-is...
[10:43:18] <Splarka>	!js
[10:43:18] --mwbot--	To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (NOT a file, a page on your wiki, which is included via <script>) as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /monobook.js (assuming your skin is monobook) subpage of your userpage.
[10:43:52] <tsdh>	Ah, nice.  Thanks, Splarka.
[10:44:23] <Splarka>	you can use importScriptURI() to create a <script> with src of the parameter given
[10:44:31] <Splarka>	though that only appears in the <head>
[10:45:15] <CIA-15>	03jojo * r49733 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.hooks.php: check if Skin::getTitle() is available before using it (fixes 49665 for older MediaWikis)
[11:15:06] <Morbus>	what's the purpose of the "archive" directory within images/?
[11:17:07] <werdna>	deleted images
[11:17:20] <Morbus>	how is that different from the deleted directory?
[11:19:41] <werdna>	oh sorry
[11:19:47] <werdna>	not deleted, past revisions
[11:20:06] *werdna 	got confused with the table names
[11:20:24] <Morbus>	ah, ok. 
[11:20:27] <Morbus>	great. thanks.
[11:21:01] <Splarka>	good thing there isn't much furniture here, and what there is is bolted down!
[11:22:23] *werdna 	stabs Splarka 
[11:23:22] <Splarka>	ow! shiv'd!
[11:24:58] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=stabs%20splarka
[11:48:18] <rainman_>	a non mw related question: is it faster to have a big table with lots of entries, or couple of smaller ones and then do joins? i assume the first?
[11:48:52] <Merlissimo>	it it possible to list different protection levels for edit and move?
[11:49:16] <werdna>	rainman_: need parameters :)
[11:49:39] <rainman_>	what kind of parameters? :)
[11:50:11] <werdna>	what exactly you're doing
[11:50:40] <rainman_>	actually it's not me, but a friend is trying to design something, let me see
[11:52:19] <freakolowsky>	g'day dudes and dudettes
[11:55:46] <rainman_>	werdna, ok, so.. it's something with text messages, either you have 3 tables: *text_message* - with text of all messages and metadata, *sent* - with additional metadata and fk to text_messages, *received* with additional and fk. Or, two tables *sent* - text of sent messages and metadata, *received* - text & metadata of received. Now i think about it the second looks kindof easier
[11:56:10] <rainman_>	(and all of them would have millions of entries if not much more)
[11:56:39] <rainman_>	or maybe one table with all the data and null fields where not applicable, hm
[11:56:48] <werdna>	depends on access patterns
[11:56:54] <werdna>	benchmark it
[11:57:37] <rainman_>	good point, i guess he'll have to do it in the end :)
[11:57:59] <rainman_>	thanks
[12:19:01] <Multichil>	Hi guys, what's an easy way to calculate hashes of images files to compare these with files already in the database? I have a bunch of files and want to see which files are already at Commons.
[12:20:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Empty diffs appear as long columns of text when viewed in Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13875  (10wiki.pierroman)
[12:20:50] <Splarka>	md5 of the exact name
[12:21:10] <Splarka>	 $md5(Wiki.png) -> bc32c4ef985f1924664e5f5c7359ef62   /b/bc/
[12:21:43] <Multichil>	The files probably have other names at Commons.
[12:21:44] <Splarka>	unless you mean the content hashes, which are SHA1
[12:22:04] <Splarka>	ahh
[12:22:20] <Multichil>	It's a SHA1 hash base64 encoded right?
[12:22:36] <Splarka>	well, you can get different encodings of it IIRC
[12:23:59] <Splarka>	  aisha1         - SHA1 hash of image
[12:23:59] <Splarka>	  aisha1base36   - SHA1 hash of image in base 36 (used in MediaWiki)
[12:24:05] <Splarka>	heh
[12:24:25] <Multichil>	Base 36?
[12:26:07] <Splarka>	a more compressed string than the base16
[12:26:19] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&aiprefix=Brass.jpg&list=allimages&aiprop=sha1
[12:26:46] <Splarka>	so, there you have a base16 hash... to find duplicates just do:
[12:26:48] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allimages&aisha1=69d75c5a2cf0aab846f0258ea4e74a6c21de710d
[12:27:50] <Multichil>	That looks like the unencoded sha1 hash. I can easily calculate that with openssl
[12:28:01] <Splarka>	yep
[12:28:03] <flyingparchment>	no, it's not
[12:28:10] <flyingparchment>	an unencoded sha1 hash would be random 8-bit garbage
[12:28:17] <Splarka>	heh
[12:28:27] <flyingparchment>	that url is encoded as base 16
[12:28:27] <Splarka>	but you can also query it in base 36
[12:28:33] <Splarka>	'encoded' is a misnomer
[12:28:41] <Multichil>	Default encoding :P
[12:29:12] <Multichil>	flyingparchment : Anyway. Have about 17 GB of files at the toolserver and i want to calculate the number of dupes before i upload them :)
[12:29:12] *Splarka 	binaries flyingparchment
[12:30:26] <Multichil>	for files in files: calculate sha1, encode it in whatever encoding, compare it to database.
[12:52:12] <mibbim>	is there some nice way to extract element id via request. here's my current code in case someone wants to take a look, http://pastebin.com/d249b98a1
[12:52:24] <mibbim>	 /s/request/request?
[12:53:37] <werdna>	I don't think you can have name-value pairs in submitted arrays
[12:53:43] <werdna>	as in, I don't think we support it
[12:54:29] <mibbim>	okay. i suppose i could stash the id names in another form and hide them. that doesn't sound particularly clean though
[12:54:55] <werdna>	i think that's what we usually do
[12:55:13] <mibbim>	oh. i will give that a go then :)
[12:55:13] <werdna>	if the keys are known, you can give them names mParam-key
[13:27:56] <Frobe>	Hi! Im wondering if its possible to create mandatory fields that you have to fill in when creating new articles in mediawiki?
[13:28:19] <werdna>	in theory with ane xtension
[13:29:56] <mibbim>	Frobe: you probably want to take a look at EditPage::attemptSave and EditPage::showEditForm:fields hooks at least
[13:31:11] <mibbim>	also check out http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditPageMultipleInputTextAreas
[13:35:58] <Frobe>	thanks. im installing mediawiki now but i wanted to know if it was possible. where can i find these editpage attemptsave and editform things? config file for the mediawiki or php code for the site itself?
[13:54:28] <deker0>	hi all, is anyone using FCKeditor extension on their wiki?
[13:55:14] <LauraHale>	Did in the past. :/
[13:55:27] <LauraHale>	inserted too much gibberish html when people used it so we stopped.
[13:55:50] <deker0>	ohhh
[13:56:02] <deker0>	i want to give it a try, but having some problems
[13:56:25] <deker0>	i added the require_once("$IP/extensions/FCKeditor/FCKeditor.php"); line into LocalSettings
[13:56:34] <deker0>	but now the wiki page comes up blank
[14:10:01] <Platonides>	deker0, see the error log
[14:10:50] <deker0>	hmmm.....ok, let me check it out
[14:12:15] <deker0>	i need to check the httpd error_log file, right?
[14:13:14] <deker0>	nope, nothing in there Platonides
[14:23:00] <Emufarmers>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=stabs Splarka: looks like you've actually dished out more stabbings than you've received.
[14:24:59] *Splarka 	stabs Emufarmers
[14:27:08] <Splarka>	make love, not war: http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3CSplarka%3E%09%3C3
[14:27:55] <werdna>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=stabs%20Splarka
[14:28:06] <werdna>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=stabs%20Werdna
[14:28:31] *Splarka 	did link you to the first one earlier
[14:29:01] <werdna>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%09kills
[14:29:17] <werdna>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%09stabs
[14:29:24] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=brion%20%09stabs
[14:29:40] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=timstarling%20%09stabs
[14:30:15] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3Cdomas%3E%09lol
[14:31:04] <Splarka>	also %3Cdomas%3E%09omg %3Cdomas%3E%09ghm %3Cdomas%3E%09haha
[14:33:06] <artuska>	hi, all! does anybody know wich class is responsible for parsing the URL?
[14:34:26] <Emufarmers>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=cuddles Aww :3
[14:34:35] <werdna>	hmm that script looks like it has an arbitrary exec vulnerability
[14:34:37] <werdna>	just gotta find it
[14:37:03] <Emufarmers>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=gay poor jgay
[14:38:23] <jgay>	Emufarmers: haha, that's funny
[14:38:56] <Rob_Laibach>	how do you create those tables/ layout designs seen on main pages like wikipedia or mediawiki?
[14:39:14] <jgay>	Rob_Laibach: html
[14:39:16] <Emufarmers>	o,o
[14:39:22] *Emufarmers 	didn't expect him to be in here at this moment
[14:40:46] <Splarka>	werdna: I found several, he fixed them (so far)
[14:41:01] <Emufarmers>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=a
[14:41:03] <jgay>	Rob_Laibach: some is raw HTML other parts are just tables, for instance, do view source at the table, {| id="mp-strapline" style="width:100%; background:none; margin:-.8em 0 -.7em 0;"
[14:41:05] *Emufarmers 	wonders whether a timeout is in order
[14:41:11] <Splarka>	like simply submitting: foobar" | 'arbitrary command' | grep "foobar
[14:41:18] <werdna>	yeah
[14:41:31] <Splarka>	but he stopped shelling out, now he does some other pythony wrap thing voodoo
[14:41:40] <werdna>	it looks like there should be one, but I can't exploit it
[14:41:47] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit also pointed out the search results displayed raw html 
[14:41:54] <LauraHale>	http://toolserver.org/~diberri/cgi-bin/html2wiki/index.cgi  I use that to convert html to wiki code.
[14:42:02] <Splarka>	this was fun:  http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3C%73%63%72%69%70%74%3E%66%6F%72%28%76%61%72%20%69=%30%3B%69%3C%31%30%3B%69%2B%2B%29%20%7B%61%6C%65%72%74%28%27%50%45%4E%49%53%20%27%20%2B%20%69%29%3B%7D%3C/%73%63%72%69%70%74%3E
[14:43:41] <jgay>	Rob_Laibach: also, some CSS is defined in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css
[14:44:07] <Splarka>	werd: http://www.python.org/doc/2.4/lib/node230.html apparently
[14:48:53] <artuska>	which class or function parses URI string? help!
[14:49:55] <artuska>	m?
[14:50:07] <Simetrical>	artuska, what do you mean, "parses URI string"?
[14:53:13] <artuska>	Simetrical: get content of the page in depend of URL
[14:54:03] <artuska>	or
[14:54:12] <artuska>	explodes the URI string
[14:55:11] <artuska>	like Zend's Framework class Zend_Uri
[14:55:15] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php  those?
[14:56:04] <artuska>	i have already read this article
[14:56:11] <artuska>	yeap, those
[14:56:13] <artuska>	but
[14:57:00] <artuska>	which functions or classes process all this URI parameters?
[14:57:22] *Splarka 	thinks you should grep the code for $wgRequest->getVal
[14:58:10] <artuska>	hmmm
[14:58:12] <artuska>	ok
[14:58:13] <nick_h[litage]>	I moved my site from wiki.example.com to example.com/wiki/ . however, the links on example.com/wiki/Special:Recentchanges?feed=rss point to wiki.example.com rather than example.com/wiki/ . is it possible to update those links?
[14:59:00] <Splarka>	and getText, getIntOrNull, getBool, basically get*
[14:59:19] <Simetrical>	artuska, WebRequest class.
[14:59:36] <Simetrical>	We don't actually explode the URL ourselves, we rely on $_GET to do that.
[15:00:02] <Splarka>	the point being, the whole MediaWiki code base is the URI parameter parser, mixed in with some other stuff like database queries, skins, and some forms ^_^
[15:00:32] <jorries82>	!raw_html
[15:00:32] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "raw_html".
[15:00:33] <jorries82>	!html
[15:00:33] --mwbot--	For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[15:01:07] <Splarka>	jorries82: again, well, for the fourth time now... STOP that
[15:01:34] <Splarka>	jorries82: right now, go to this location: http://toolserver.org/%7Eamidaniel/botbrain.html  do you see that? answer
[15:04:07] <jorries82>	ok there is a strange BUG inside raw msg
[15:04:22] <Splarka>	do you _see_ that URL I posted, and do you see the text there?
[15:04:24] <jorries82>	i create a rawmsg page... i link to it on the wiki homepage so the content gets inserted
[15:04:40] <jorries82>	i did not see it sorry i will read it
[15:05:14] <Splarka>	please acknowledge when you have seen it
[15:08:04] <jorries82>	i did read it just a mistype
[15:08:10] <jorries82>	is there a way to list all the pages in the wiki?
[15:08:18] <Splarka>	okay, that URL is everything the mwbot knows
[15:08:27] <Splarka>	every !command that it can possibly respond with
[15:08:59] <Splarka>	mwbot is built for lazy users here to use, to answer questions, it is not generally for people to continually guess at asking help from
[15:09:20] <Splarka>	so stop using it like that
[15:09:33] <jorries82>	ok ok i understand
[15:09:58] <Splarka>	and if you must, just: /query mwbot
[15:10:04] <Splarka>	or go to #mwbot where that is tolerated
[15:10:19] <Splarka>	ta
[15:11:55] <Emufarmers>	jorries82: Special:Allpages
[15:29:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Security vulnerability in OTRS software - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18344  +comment (10gnu1742)
[15:42:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image cascading protection issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  15enhancement->minor; summary; +comment (10gdonato)
[15:46:04] <nick_h[litage]>	why would Special:UserRights not list the SysOp group?
[15:51:05] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Include HTML template in a wiki page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1561  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:00:44] <brion>	hey everybody
[16:02:02] <stwalkerster>	hey brion :)
[16:22:35] *Marybelle 	waves to Brion.
[16:22:40] <Marybelle>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18540#c4 <-- Ball's in your court. :-)
[16:24:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image rendering and resizing daemon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4854  +comment (10dale)
[16:29:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RSS/Atom feeds use fully-qualified URIs rather than relative ones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16357  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:32:13] <ori_go>	I am trying to get Kenyu73 Calendar Extension to work. I have added the .php extension files to LocalSettings.php. It says that i should add a calendar to a page using <calendar /> . But it only writes it out.
[16:32:28] <ori_go>	Anyone got a clue?
[16:32:41] <^demon>	brion: Also btw, [[mw:Commit access requests]] <- went ahead and was bold with this, so it can be centralized now :)
[16:33:29] <brion>	Marybelle: hrm, offhand what is 'ip block exemption' configuration?
[16:33:55] <Marybelle>	brion: Creating a group where admins can assign ipblock-exempt to users on any wiki.
[16:34:17] <brion>	ah, so just setting up a group-assignment permission?
[16:34:29] <Marybelle>	Yep.
[16:35:27] <Marybelle>	It's been a while since a new group was added like that. "Uploaders" would've been the most recent.
[16:35:56] <Marybelle>	Or, Tor could be tightened only for en.wiki for testing...
[16:38:11] <ori_go>	worked it out, by moving stuff around in LocalSettings.php!
[16:42:14] <ndlovu>	I'm trying to migrate a mediawiki site to a new server. Before it goes live, I'm testing it with a temporary url, of the form http://address/~username/wiki/ (it used to just be http://address/wiki/. Where would I change the base address to accommodate this change?
[16:42:35] <Marybelle>	LocalSettings.php?
[16:43:33] <ndlovu>	I tried this in LocalSettings.php: old: $wgScriptPath      = "/resources/ict_wiki";   new: $wgScriptPath      = "/~ungana/resources/ict_wiki";
[16:44:10] <ndlovu>	but I get the message "Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."
[16:48:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Backup systems (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18255  +comment (10brion)
[16:54:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) arbcom-audit-en mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18510  (10cbass)
[16:54:53] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Create mailing list for Wikimedia Portugal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18552  +comment (10cbass)
[17:01:06] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49734 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (134 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-22 16:49 UTC)
[17:04:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create mailing list for Wikimedia Portugal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18552  (10lijealso)
[17:09:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Backup systems (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18255  (10tfinc)
[17:13:44] <ndlovu>	where is MW_INSTALL_PATH set?
[17:14:18] <Nikerabbit>	nowhere, you can set it
[17:16:21] <ndlovu>	Nikerabbit, dirname( __FILE__ ); should return the current directory, right?
[17:16:57] <ndlovu>	so setting it would only be useful if you moved things around
[17:21:24] <Nikerabbit>	ndlovu: it returns the directory the file is in
[17:22:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Backup systems (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18255  (10brion)
[17:30:06] <b00guiemAn>	quick question, i just added  RSS feed (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RSS_feed_for_recent_changes) .... how (or what) program do i use to read them ?
[17:34:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create otrs-fr-l - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18506  +comment (10cbass)
[17:45:40] <Prom_cat>	Hey werdna you around?
[17:46:30] <Prom_cat>	 If $wgAbuseFilterIsCentral = true; Do i still have to specify $wgAbuseFilterCentralDB?
[17:46:33] <RoanKattouw>	Prom_cat: He shouldn't be, AFAIK it's 4 AM in Australia right now
[17:46:52] <Prom_cat>	Roan: 3:16 to be exact
[17:46:57] <Prom_cat>	(i live in australia)
[17:47:28] <RoanKattouw>	Prom_cat: WTF? It's 17:47 UTC, Australia is not in a half-timezone, is it?
[17:47:47] <Prom_cat>	Australia has 3 timezones
[17:47:57] <Prom_cat>	for werdna its 4: 47am
[17:48:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix bz interface so it says 'change vote for this bug' if you have already voted for it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18509  (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[17:48:14] <svip_>	Why doesn't Firefox add the OpenSearch favicon when I add it to my search engines?  It only happens for *my* wiki.
[17:48:18] <Prom_cat>	for me its 3:18 am
[17:48:22] <Prom_cat>	(CST_
[17:48:23] <RoanKattouw>	I though werdna lived in Sydney?
[17:48:56] <Prom_cat>	ugh
[17:49:00] <Prom_cat>	i got it worng
[17:49:04] <Prom_cat>	were not in DST anymore
[17:49:17] <Prom_cat>	for werd its 3:49
[17:49:30] <Prom_cat>	for ACST its 3:19
[17:49:31] <svip_>	In fact, when I am about to add the new search engine, it even has the favicon at the option for "add this wiki".
[17:49:38] <svip_>	Hm.
[17:49:43] <svip_>	I'll ask the Firefox channel.
[17:49:47] <svip_>	It seems to be Firefox related.
[17:50:19] <Prom_cat>	Anyhow
[17:50:20] *RoanKattouw 	thinks half-timezones are pretty pointless
[17:50:31] <Prom_cat>	Does anyone know the answer to my question?
[17:50:39] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: that works pretty well, since australia is pretty pointless too
[17:50:40] <RoanKattouw>	(although of course the timezone system is insane anyway)
[17:50:41] <flyingparchment>	;-)
[17:50:55] *svip_ 	thinks timezones in general are pretty pointless.
[17:50:57] <Prom_cat>	River: Oi
[17:51:13] <Prom_cat>	We kick ur arse at the cricket so shut it pommy boy :)
[17:51:31] <Prom_cat>	though
[17:51:38] <Prom_cat>	lets not talk about the rugby ><
[17:51:43] <RoanKattouw>	Well the weird thing is that Portugal has about the same latitude (and therefore the same 'sun time') as the UK, but is an hour ahead of them
[17:51:59] <flyingparchment>	Prom_cat: unless you play on the australian team (can't say i noticed you), i think "we" is the wrong word there
[17:53:08] <Prom_cat>	The "team" also includes undying supporters :P
[17:58:26] <Prom_cat>	Hey whats the URL for the wikimedia config files
[17:58:38] <RoanKattouw>	noc.wikimedia.org/conf
[17:58:50] <Prom_cat>	ty
[17:59:05] <brion>	RoanKattouw: thanks for the gsoc announce mail the other day!
[17:59:09] <brion>	i've taken the liberty of reposting it on techblog
[17:59:40] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Yeah, I noticed. At first I was gonna wait for you to do it, but then I heard you were at the dentist's
[17:59:56] <RoanKattouw>	So I figured it'd take too long :P
[18:00:00] <brion>	:D
[18:00:24] <RoanKattouw>	(BTW, please see my messages in #wikimedia-tech requesting to sync two bugfixes)
[18:04:21] <RoanKattouw>	brion: I also like the idea of students blogging on our tech blog, that'd be great
[18:05:12] <Prom_cat>	brion: Do you think like werdna?
[18:08:45] <brion>	i.... might?
[18:08:48] <brion>	about what? :D
[18:08:54] <Prom_cat>	brion: RE: Abuse filter, If $wgAbuseFilterIsCentral = true; Would one still have to specify $wgAbuseFilterCentralDB knowing that the wiki is the central Db?
[18:09:42] <brion>	no idea! what's $wgAbuseFilterIsCentral do?
[18:09:50] <Prom_cat>	Logic says that thiers no need to specify the central DB is the wiki is central (because then it would be the wiki's own db)
[18:10:00] <Prom_cat>	Allows global abuse filters across multiple wikis
[18:10:10] <Prom_cat>	Tells the wiki that it is the global wiki
[18:10:11] <RoanKattouw>	Prom_cat: Why don't you just try and see if it fails?
[18:10:32] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49735 10/trunk/extensions/ (84 files in 82 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-04-22 17:05 UTC)
[18:10:34] <brion>	does it tell it that it's the global wiki, or does it tell it that global state exists?
[18:11:33] <Prom_cat>	$wgAbuseFilterIsCentral tells it that it is the global wiki, $wgAbuseFilterCentralDB (if set) tells it which database is the global wiki for filters
[18:12:13] <brion>	i don't see any particular reason to not set it in this circumstance
[18:12:22] <brion>	the simplest is if the same config is used on all there, surely?
[18:12:23] <Prom_cat>	k
[18:12:27] <Prom_cat>	ill give it a whirl
[18:12:32] <brion>	i guess i don't know what you're asking or why :)
[18:12:44] <Multichil>	Hi RoanKattouw, what do you think about adding an end option to the api functions which have a start/from parameter?
[18:13:08] <^demon>	brion: The commit access request page seems to be popular :)
[18:13:16] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: Which ones, to be specific?
[18:14:16] <Multichil>	For example allpages 
[18:14:25] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: Where is that page, again? It doesn't seem to be linked from [[mw:Commit access]]
[18:14:28] <MZMcBride>	We need a stalkbot in here...
[18:14:38] <^demon>	[[mw:Commit access requests]]
[18:14:56] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: ^^^ And I thought I linked from relevant places, feel free to link more if need be :)
[18:15:28] <brion>	^demon: yay! i'll poke over it soon :D
[18:15:35] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Can you look into syncing r49051 (quotes break upload form) and r49682 (regression in attempted fix for watchlist weirdness)? Both are one-file revs
[18:15:49] <brion>	not immediately, but will look in a bit
[18:16:14] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: Sure. If you could be so kind to find out which ones are missing an end param (or at least which end params you need) and file a bug, I'll get to it
[18:18:11] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: My bad, it is linked
[18:18:15] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Ok. Looks like you're using *start and *end for timestamps so i guess *from and *until are the keywords to use for page titles
[18:18:29] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Thought so ;-)
[18:18:30] <RoanKattouw>	Guess that'd make sense
[18:18:41] <RoanKattouw>	We don't actually have any *until or *end params for titles yet
[18:20:17] <Prom_cat>	Extension Abusefilter breaks Extension:Regexblock
[18:20:27] <Multichil>	I know. Using end for both timestamps and titles will probably cause a mess someday....
[18:20:41] <Marybelle>	Prom_cat: File a bug.
[18:21:01] <Prom_cat>	Marybelle: {{doing}} :)
[18:21:10] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: Yeah, when we come up with a module that uses both timestamps and titles
[18:21:16] <^demon>	Fix 1 bug, file 7 more :)
[18:21:30] <RoanKattouw>	(although I'm not sure that'll ever happen, sounds very scary DB-wise)
[18:24:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Hungarian Wikisource Proofreadpage extension namespace request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18557 critical; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (csorfolydaniel)
[18:25:53] <^demon>	Are site requests ever critical?
[18:27:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hungarian Wikisource Proofreadpage extension namespace request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18557  -easy +shell; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:32:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hungarian Wikisource Proofreadpage extension namespace request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18557  +comment (10brion)
[18:38:02] <b00guiemAn>	is there a way to migrate a wiki ????? (one server to another) without loosing info ?
[18:40:40] <Marybelle>	!move | b00guiemAn 
[18:40:40] --mwbot--	b00guiemAn: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[19:04:02] <b00guiemAn>	thnxxxx
[19:04:10] <RoanKattouw>	(First it was 6, then 5, then 4)
[19:05:33] <Danwe>	is there a way to modify each single template code when before the parser goes over the template to parse it? Found no hook which could help yet
[19:16:28] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49736 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ExternalStoreHttp.php: Use Http::get() rather than file_get_contents()
[19:20:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Introduce {{#timediff:}} parser function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7114  +comment (10happy-melon)
[19:26:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Newline added to template and parser function result breaks parsing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12974  +comment (10happy-melon)
[20:01:43] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Introduce {{#timediff:}} parser function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7114  +comment (10danny.b)
[20:02:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localized namespaces for mt.wp (2) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18498  (10cbrown1023)
[20:04:46] <Prom_cat>	Got an easy Q
[20:04:59] <Prom_cat>	How do you get the collapsable table thing to work?
[20:05:21] <RoanKattouw>	Like on another wiki?
[20:05:27] <Prom_cat>	Is it just common.css and common.js
[20:05:28] <Prom_cat>	yes
[20:06:20] <RoanKattouw>	I think so
[20:09:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	( and the template or div stuff too, of course... it doesn't magically know what you want to collapse :P )
[20:12:13] <Danwe>	was there an answer to my question in the meanwhile? - PC crash...
[20:25:41] <thedj>	is the max editSummary 200bytes or 200 Chars ?
[20:25:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Introduce {{#timediff:}} parser function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7114  (10happy-melon)
[20:51:17] <VetleMakt>	Hello, where can I turn on upload feature?
[20:51:43] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create mailing list for Wikimedia Portugal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18552  +comment (10cbass)
[20:51:54] <RoanKattouw>	!upload | VetleMakt 
[20:51:54] --mwbot--	VetleMakt: File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true to enable it. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[20:56:55] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49737 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Sanitizer.php: 
[20:56:55] <CIA-15>	Update documentation:
[20:56:55] <CIA-15>	* corrected @param syntax
[20:56:55] <CIA-15>	* removed some usless @private and @static
[21:02:21] <VetleMakt>	Thank you, I will try that!
[21:13:08] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49738 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: 
[21:13:08] <CIA-15>	Fix some issues spotted by EugeneZelenko at translatewiki.net
[21:13:08] <CIA-15>	* 'No import by url': Replace not XHTML-compliant <br> with line breaks
[21:13:08] <CIA-15>	* 'Mv path type mp4 stream', 'Mv path type url file', 'Mv path type url anx', Mv archive org mp4': Capitalize acronyms in next messages
[21:36:51] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49739 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:36:51] <CIA-15>	* Enable PLURAL for 'mv_stream_delete_warrning'
[21:36:51] <CIA-15>	* Remove unused message 'mv_stream_delete_warning'
[21:36:51] <CIA-15>	Spotted by EugeneZelenko at translatewiki.net
[21:54:17] <sonej>	Hi, i have a question. I'm on my way to start up my own Wiki, but i ran into a problem. I want to use a Taxobox but i guess i need to create a template for that? Is there a way that you guys could point me at the right direction I would be really happy.
[21:54:41] <LauraHale>	Taxobox?
[21:55:19] <Platonides>	sonej, just copy the template
[21:56:04] <sonej>	Funny thing is, I couldent find the template. I'm so new to MediaWiki
[21:56:29] <RoanKattouw>	sonej: Can you link to a page that uses it?
[21:56:44] <sonej>	Yes, sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_read_a_taxobox
[21:57:00] <sonej>	oh, that was just a picture. My bad
[21:57:40] <sonej>	Here we go, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat
[21:57:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) arbcom-audit-en mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18510  (10kirill.lokshin)
[21:58:01] <RoanKattouw>	sonej: From that page: "If you want to create or edit taxoboxes, see Wikipedia:Taxobox usage. For discussion and to request a taxobox be added to an article, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life or tag an article with {{missing-taxobox}}."
[21:59:15] <sonej>	When i use the code "{{Taxobox 
[21:59:15] <sonej>	"
[21:59:53] <RoanKattouw>	Use one of the codes at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Taxobox_usage#Quick_start_and_examples as a starting point
[22:00:27] <sonej>	i wont show, I guess the MediaWiki dont have that as a deafult template
[22:00:46] <RoanKattouw>	No, you have to copy it
[22:01:00] <LauraHale>	No preinstalled templates on MediaWiki.
[22:01:05] <RoanKattouw>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Taxobox&action=edit
[22:01:21] <RoanKattouw>	Also copy the templates listed at the bottom of the page
[22:02:18] <sonej>	Okey, I think i got it. I will give it a try now. Thank you so much
[22:09:12] <sonej>	After i created the Teplate:taxobox do i need to References it in my code? Cuz it still wont draw the Taxobox. RoanKattouw, do i need all 20 of thouse Templates at the bottom of that page.
[22:09:31] <RoanKattouw>	sonej: Yes, unfortunately you do, but there's a better way
[22:10:10] <sonej>	Oh there is? Please share
[22:10:15] <RoanKattouw>	sonej: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export/Template:Taxobox?templates=1
[22:10:33] <RoanKattouw>	That XML file has all the templates you need, use Special:Import to import it into your wiki (you'll need to be a sysop for that)
[22:11:59] <sonej>	I'm the Sysop. Does that import tool excist by default? Or is it a standalone import tool?
[22:12:47] <sonej>	oh i found it, my bad
[22:19:12] <sonej>	Hate to ask, but does that xml include all the templates or do i have to import the rest aswell?
[22:19:47] <Platonides>	it includes all templates needed by taxobox
[22:23:03] <sonej>	Funny thing, it still wont draw the Taxobox. Do i need to use som sort of reference in my code? And the Template:Taxobox looks kind of funny. Maby it should look like that, I bet the import tool know what it does.
[22:23:38] <RoanKattouw>	If it looks funny it's probably because it needs CSS
[22:26:14] <sonej>	What i mean is i can see the code on ../index.php/Template:Taxobox And the page that uses Taxobox still just shows the  {{Taxobox like it isent installed.
[22:27:39] <RoanKattouw>	sonej: You have to close the {{ with a }}, like {{Taxobox|param1=value1|etc.}}
[22:28:27] <sonej>	I copied a example on the Wikipedia:Taxobox_usage page, so it should work.
[22:29:34] <LauraHale>	Maybe.
[22:29:43] <LauraHale>	So long as you removed Wikipedia from the links.
[22:29:54] <sonej>	This is how my template page looks like after the import, http://i42.tinypic.com/2i0ajdi.png
[22:29:58] <LauraHale>	I've made that mistake before of forgetting about the namespace differences.
[22:30:21] <sonej>	That's true
[22:30:32] <RoanKattouw>	!parserfunctions | sonej 
[22:30:32] --mwbot--	sonej: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[22:30:43] <RoanKattouw>	The template relies on that extension
[22:32:03] <sonej>	aah nice, thank you
[22:42:16] <sonej>	That was an easy installation, but I still got a Fatal Error: Call to undefined method Parser::setFunctionHook() on line 38
[22:42:50] <RoanKattouw>	:O
[22:42:55] <RoanKattouw>	Which version of MediaWiki are you using?
[22:43:21] <sonej>	1.5.8
[22:43:41] <RoanKattouw>	The most recent version is 1.14.0, and ParserFunctions probably wasn't even written in 1.5 time
[22:43:59] <sonej>	It was not in the list, so i just downloaded the Development version
[22:44:56] <RoanKattouw>	That's the newest version, which might even be too new for 1.14.0
[22:45:13] <RoanKattouw>	I suggest you download the 1.14 version of ParserFunctions and upgrade your wiki to 1.14
[22:45:15] <RoanKattouw>	!upgrade | sonej
[22:45:15] --mwbot--	sonej: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[22:46:50] <sonej>	You mean downgrade from 1.5.8 to 1.14.0?
[22:47:23] <RoanKattouw>	No, upgrade
[22:47:31] <RoanKattouw>	1.14 is more recent that 1.5. *Far* more recent
[22:47:40] <RoanKattouw>	It's 1.14, not 1.1.4
[22:49:07] <sonej>	hehe, silly question. But how can 1.14 be newer then 1.5? The greater the number the newer version right?
[22:50:00] <sonej>	Okey, now i see. Stupid me
[22:52:41] <prefrontal>	http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/04/gear6-launches-high-end-memcached-appliance.ars
[22:55:00] <buzz_>	its version.revision or so not a decimal place
[22:59:10] <brion>	14 > 5
[23:01:42] *Prom_cat|Sleep 	nods
[23:02:00] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	Well Done Brion! 14 *is*\ greater than 5
[23:02:06] *Prom_cat|Sleep 	gives brion a cookie
[23:05:13] <brion>	om nom nom nom
[23:05:25] <atglenn>	was it a session cookie? 
[23:06:54] <brion>	maybe it was a tracking cookie
[23:06:56] *brion 	gets paranoid
[23:11:21] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	brion: it was a third party tracking cookie
[23:16:36] <sonej>	yeay! got it to work now, thank you all.
[23:28:22] <Huufarted>	I'm trying to get MediaWiki to use Exim as a relay, is this a good option to use to send emails from my server out through my ISP comcast?
[23:29:02] <Huufarted>	The reason I ask, Exim isn't letting me and I'm thinking it's something I need to change with MediaWiki:  Exim is a Mail Transfer Agent. It is normally called by Mail User Agents, not directly from a shell command line. Options and/or arguments control
[23:29:27] <Huufarted>	what it does when called. For a list of options, see the Exim documentation.
[23:29:51] <Huufarted>	Is there a better way to get MediaWiki to use my ISP to send mail?
[23:35:30] <carl-m>	Huufarted: have your local sendmail forward mail through your isp
[23:35:45] <Huufarted>	carl-m: I guess I was getting a bit too complicated, eh?
[23:36:09] <carl-m>	you should be able to use exim for that
[23:36:13] <Huufarted>	I guess I should have stuck with the basics for it.  :)
[23:36:25] <Huufarted>	carl-m, says it can't be ran from the command line.  I'll just set up sendmail properly.
[23:36:27] <carl-m>	or any other mta.  one that I have used is "msmtp" which is lightweight and supports secure email
[23:36:37] <carl-m>	well, exim will have something that it puts in /usr/lib/sendmail
[23:36:40] <carl-m>	that is what you want to rin
[23:36:42] <carl-m>	run
[23:36:46] <Huufarted>	gotcha.
[23:37:22] <carl-m>	/usr/lib/sendmail is odd - it's the standard interface for sending email, so all MTAs will have a wrapper there that works
[23:38:15] *Emufarmers 	pokes brion
[23:38:23] <carl-m>	it looks like the LSB supports /usr/sbin/sendmail as well; http://refspecs.linux-foundation.org/LSB_3.2.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/baselib-sendmail-1.html
[23:38:56] <Huufarted>	carl-m, It looks like I just need to set up sendmail properly, then configure php to point to it and it should be done
[23:39:21] <carl-m>	exim will have its own command named sendmail
[23:39:39] <carl-m>	so you could configure exim, or any other MTA. "sendmail" is just the name of the binary that is used for command line mail sending
[23:39:54] <carl-m>	it doesn't literally have to be the actual sendmail program 
[23:42:42] <Huufarted>	carl-m: so does exim interface with sendmail or replace it?
[23:43:04] <carl-m>	it replaces it, and exim will include a program in /usr/sbin/sendmail or /usr/lib/sendmail that you can run to inject mail
[23:43:15] <Huufarted>	Ah, ok.  Now I got you
[23:43:46] <Emufarmers>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=pokes I feel like this search result is missing several thousand entries
[23:43:54] <sonej>	Have anyone had a problem with the gchart4mw extension with MediaWiki version 1.14?
[23:44:09] <sonej>	...Parse error
[23:44:37] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%20%09pokes
[23:44:54] <LauraHale>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=beats is also missing stuff
[23:45:01] <carl-m>	Huufarted: mediawiki will essentially act just like a MUA when it sends email.
[23:45:19] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%20%09pokles
[23:45:26] <Marybelle>	Missing stuff?
[23:45:39] <brion>	Emufarmers: wot
[23:45:57] <Huufarted>	carl-m: thanks.  Trying to set that up now.  I apprecaite your help
[23:45:59] <Emufarmers>	brion: can you take another look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18409 ?
[23:46:15] <Emufarmers>	Marybelle: I would expect there to be hundreds, if not thousands, of results for "pokes"
[23:46:29] <Marybelle>	Can you prove results are missing?
[23:46:49] <Splarka>	brion: http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3Cbrion%3E%09.*wot
[23:47:04] <Emufarmers>	Maybe if I'm ever really bored I could try
[23:47:24] <Marybelle>	I can't diagnose until there's evidence of a problem. "There should be" means nothing. ;-)
[23:47:32] <Emufarmers>	Just my gut talking :D
[23:47:40] <Emufarmers>	Also, why aren't the results in order?
[23:47:43] <Splarka>	you shouldn't have eaten the parrot whole
[23:47:50] <Emufarmers>	Also, http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=^_^ :(
[23:48:04] *Emufarmers 	's Splarka-stalking is ruined
[23:48:37] <Marybelle>	Emufarmers: It runs command-line grep. If the results aren't "in order", $ man grep and tell me why. :-)
[23:48:51] <Marybelle>	And http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=\^_\^
[23:49:02] <werdna>	Marybelle: was having fun trying to find arbitrary execution vulnerabilities in that
[23:49:29] <werdna>	Marybelle: PS there are several XSS and at least one SQL injection in sqlbot.php
[23:49:36] <brion>	Emufarmers: does that actually work?
[23:49:43] <Marybelle>	I saw in scrollback. :P
[23:49:45] <Marybelle>	Yeah, people shouldn't use sqlbot.php...
[23:49:51] <Marybelle>	I should rename the file. I just stole it from SQLDb when he took it down.
[23:49:58] <Marybelle>	'cause I liked it and I'm lazy.
[23:50:00] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3Csplarka%3E%09.*^_^
[23:50:05] <werdna>	I don't think Simetrical and I could actually find an exploiut
[23:50:07] <werdna>	exploit
[23:50:09] <Splarka>	you only have to escape the ^ if it starts the regex
[23:50:09] <Emufarmers>	brion: it worked when I tested it
[23:50:11] <brion>	unless somebody rewrote SpecialUpload.php while i wasn't looking, UploadForm isn't a SpecialPage subclass
[23:50:16] <Splarka>	learn regex
[23:50:24] <Emufarmers>	hmm
[23:50:30] <carl-m>	werdna: it looks like is just does popen, which should be ok
[23:50:39] <carl-m>	of course he does not specify a full path for grep
[23:50:54] <werdna>	carl-m: the -e before the final param resolves it, I think
[23:51:11] <werdna>	apparently it used to have XSS and arbitrary execution
[23:51:17] *Splarka 	whistles
[23:51:34] <Marybelle>	carl-m: popen allows things like | to be passed, I think.
[23:51:37] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49740 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 3 dirs): chunk upload fixes
[23:51:54] <Splarka>	flibble" > sanitize_your_input.php | grep "foobar
[23:52:00] <carl-m>	Marybelle: but popen does not have problems with shell escapes; at least you know what program it will run
[23:52:12] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49741 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[23:52:12] <CIA-15>	trimStr update to jQuery version
[23:52:12] <CIA-15>	chunk upload fixes
[23:52:39] <Marybelle>	How do you mean? If you pipe in the middle, even with -e specified it breaks out of grep.
[23:52:56] <carl-m>	when you run it from the command line? 
[23:52:59] <werdna>	I haven't been able to reproduce that
[23:53:01] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3Cbrion%3E%09heh
[23:53:28] <Marybelle>	http://paste.pocoo.org/show/113788/ This is the source.
[23:53:42] <carl-m>	Marybelle: I'm looking at the source on toolserver, is it the same? 
[23:53:49] <Marybelle>	Anyone, by the way, is free to write a proper search. This is a complete hack.
[23:53:57] <Marybelle>	Yeah.
[23:54:03] <werdna>	mw-logs/20080227.txt:[17:59:00] <brion>heh... i didn't even notice, i got commit number 31337 :)
[23:54:10] <brion>	\o/
[23:54:14] <werdna>	we all know that the *ral* race is for commit 50,000
[23:54:16] <carl-m>	Marybelle: yeah, maybe you should not use popen after all
[23:54:17] <werdna>	real
[23:54:27] <carl-m>	just read the files yourself and use some python RE library 
[23:54:30] <Marybelle>	Oh, it is using Popen, but with the subprocess it strings all meta characters (or it's supposed to at least).
[23:54:45] <Marybelle>	Strips, too.
[23:55:14] *werdna 	considers having a really simple commit ready
[23:55:49] *brion 	wonders if there's a "funny numbers" article on wikipedia
[23:56:14] <Emufarmers>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unusual_number Not as exciting as it sounded
[23:56:14] <brion>	oh my http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_funny_word#Funny_numbers
[23:56:15] <Marybelle>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inherently_funny_word#Funny_numbers
[23:56:21] <Marybelle>	Lucene rocks. :-)
[23:56:22] <werdna>	haha
[23:56:29] <brion>	yay!
[23:56:29] <werdna>	siiigh
[23:56:54] <werdna>	hey aaron
[23:57:24] <Marybelle>	brion: Did you have an opinion about ipblock-exempt as a new group?
[23:57:30] <carl-m>	Marybelle: it would be somewhat better to just do a fork and exec, so that you can guarantee that it is grep and only grep that is run
[23:57:46] <werdna>	oh yeah I meant to ask brion that too.
[23:58:04] <werdna>	People are saying that should be done concurrently with the tor changes, so I haven't done em yet
[23:58:06] <Marybelle>	carl-m: Yeah, if I knew how... I barely got this one running.
[23:58:10] <Splarka>	2147483647 ?
[23:58:56] <Marybelle>	Fork and exec sound like PHP.
[23:59:15] <carl-m>	they sound like unix
[23:59:20] <Emufarmers>	Marybelle: they're OS calls
[23:59:38] <Emufarmers>	That have wrappers in many (most?) languages
[23:59:54] <werdna>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shm-reduplication
[23:59:56] <werdna>	oh my