[00:04:37] <werdna>	hello
[00:04:42] <LauraHale>	Hi
[00:26:55] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Link to Special:ChangePassword has disappeared from Special:Preferences tab User Profile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18603  +comment (10agarrett)
[00:55:38] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49919 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HTMLForm.php: Fix display of inverted check fields in HTML forms -- fixes bug 18581.
[00:55:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable e-mail from other users setting not displayed correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18581  +comment (10agarrett)
[01:38:42] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49920 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Made email option actually work, fixed bug 18580 (new preferences page does not display email confirmation data)
[01:39:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New preferences page does not contain e-mail confirmation data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18580  +comment (10agarrett)
[01:49:21] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49921 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: Implement quickbar settings
[01:49:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Quickbar has disappeared in Cologneblue and Standard skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18595  +comment (10agarrett)
[02:21:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) info vs code reversed in api error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18602  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[02:24:33] <CIA-15>	03shinjiman * r49922 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[02:31:18] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) info vs code reversed in api error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18602  +comment (10c.stafford)
[02:31:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API error code and info values switched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17703  +comment (10c.stafford)
[02:52:46] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49923 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: Split preference data out to separate methods so I can actually find my way around the code
[03:00:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User's namespaces to be searched default not updated after adding new namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14609  (10agarrett)
[03:02:12] <NorthIsUp>	hi
[03:02:18] <NorthIsUp>	i'm having some api trouble
[03:03:18] <NorthIsUp>	i'm trying to do an edit to a page, but my wiki requires authenticated users
[03:03:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Line-wrap help/error info in &format=jsonfm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16422  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[03:04:06] <werdna>	TimStarling: hmm, is it worth implementing some way of purging the user cache whenever LocalSettings.php is changed? When default options are updated, it seems not to apply unless you restart memcached. I was thinking of repurposing MW_USER_VERSION and $wgCacheEpoch.
[03:04:15] <NorthIsUp>	api?format=json&prop=info%7Crevisions&token=8f611c780a025e9c67ffdc52c4643bd1&titles=Main_Page&action=query&intoken=edit
[03:04:21] <NorthIsUp>	that is the query i am using
[03:04:39] <NorthIsUp>	the token is the lgtoken from my auth query
[03:05:04] <TimStarling>	is there something in the user cache that depends on LocalSettings.php?
[03:05:12] <anomie>	NorthIsUp- AFAIK, the login info has to be passed as cookies
[03:05:18] <NorthIsUp>	ooooooooooooh
[03:05:34] <NorthIsUp>	that would be it
[03:05:53] <NorthIsUp>	um, can you do that from python?
[03:06:13] <anomie>	pywikipedia does it somehow
[03:06:45] <werdna>	TimStarling: yes, there is now -- User::mOptions now depends on $wgDefaultUserOptions
[03:07:08] <NorthIsUp>	hmm, cool. maybe i can just use that instead of doing it on my own
[03:07:33] <werdna>	It's just that that update can wait for the user objects to fall out of the cache, it's not that critical.
[03:08:07] <TimStarling>	so you store it merged?
[03:08:17] <werdna>	yes, presently
[03:08:31] <werdna>	because the general methodology is "Load default settings, and then load in stuff from the database over the top of it
[03:09:00] <werdna>	I suppose just the stuff from the database could be stored separately, and merged per request
[03:09:03] <TimStarling>	I think it would be better to store it unmerged than to add some cache-clearing hack to LocalSettings.php
[03:09:24] <werdna>	Well, we already have $wgCacheEpoch
[03:09:28] <werdna>	but I take your point
[03:09:34] <TimStarling>	I wish that wasn't there
[03:10:00] <TimStarling>	that filemtime hack in LocalSettings.php, the whole file should just be for data
[03:10:13] <TimStarling>	it'd be a lot easier to update if it was
[03:10:29] <TimStarling>	the include DefaultSettings.php is a hassle too, I wish that wasn't there either
[03:11:20] <werdna>	well, globals for configuration isn't a great design choice in the first place
[03:12:18] <TimStarling>	no
[03:12:31] <TimStarling>	but it would be possible to stop using globals and maintain backwards compatibility with LocalSettings.php
[03:12:39] <TimStarling>	it's just that we'd break a million lines of extension code
[03:13:29] <werdna>	true.
[03:14:54] *werdna 	imagines something like Configuration::getConfiguration( 'settingname' )
[03:15:10] <TimStarling>	we could migrate to a system based on get_defined_vars(), like what we use for message files
[03:15:34] <CIA-15>	03shinjiman * r49924 10/trunk/extensions/ (93 files in 89 dirs): Follows up r49890, adding file location itself to obtaining the revision number shown in the Special:Version
[03:15:39] <werdna>	right.
[03:16:54] <TimStarling>	do I need to point out that  Configuration::getConfiguration( 'settingname' ) is massively long and ugly?
[03:17:28] <TimStarling>	especially since settingname will often be prefixed with the extension name
[03:17:46] <TimStarling>	I would go for wfConf('settingname')
[03:17:47] <werdna>	probably not, but you get the point that retrieving a setting would be a method call, rather than a global.
[03:18:21] <TimStarling>	that could be a wrapper for a call to a non-static member function on a configuration object
[03:19:09] <werdna>	like wfGetDB() is with the LoadBalancer, wfGetLB() is with the LBFactory?
[03:19:35] <TimStarling>	yes, there's a lot of them that I've introduced
[03:19:49] <TimStarling>	you can't beat the brevity of a global function
[03:20:13] <TimStarling>	and it makes it independant of the backend
[03:20:30] <TimStarling>	wfGetDB() used to be a call to $wgLoadBalancer->getConnection()
[03:20:53] <TimStarling>	now it's a call to LBFactory::singleton()->getMainLB()->getConnection()
[03:21:04] <TimStarling>	more abstraction, same calling code
[03:21:14] <werdna>	I consider static functions to be like global functions, except with namespaces
[03:21:26] <werdna>	they can also be autoloaded
[03:21:31] <werdna>	at the cost of brevity.
[03:21:50] <werdna>	but I suppose autoloading isn't really a benefit for something that's loaded every request anyway.
[03:22:21] <TimStarling>	well, some things are not necessarily used on every request
[03:22:32] <Nephele>	Hi
[03:22:33] <TimStarling>	but as long as they're one-line functions, it doesn't really matter
[03:22:48] <TimStarling>	mind you, it's important that they really are one line
[03:22:54] <werdna>	I'm thinking of stuff like the AbuseFilter class.
[03:23:16] <TimStarling>	if you make a two line wrapper function, someone will add some features to make it 6 lines
[03:23:17] <werdna>	It's like 2000 lines of utility functions, so it's important that it's autoloaded.
[03:23:27] <TimStarling>	and then someone else will add some features to make it 100 lines
[03:23:41] <TimStarling>	but if it starts as one line, it stays that way
[03:23:50] <werdna>	Interesting.
[03:24:31] <Nephele>	Is it normal for parserTests to fail a handful of tests?
[03:24:40] <TimStarling>	because the complexity gets added to the backend function instead
[03:24:48] <TimStarling>	Nephele: yes
[03:25:15] <Nephele>	OK, thanks.  So I shouldn't worry about those failures?
[03:25:32] <TimStarling>	no
[03:25:44] <werdna>	Nephele: I think we're sitting at 14 at the moment
[03:25:48] <werdna>	is that what you're getting?
[03:25:50] <Nephele>	Yep
[03:25:56] <werdna>	okay, then don't worry :)
[03:26:28] <TimStarling>	parser tests aren't aimed at end users
[03:26:49] <TimStarling>	many of them are just TODO items aimed at annoying developers into fixing them
[03:27:13] <TimStarling>	I suggested marking some tests as "expected fail", but brion thought that would reduce the amount of developer annoyance
[03:27:59] <Nephele>	Aha... might even work on me ;) Because they are a bit annoying
[03:28:52] <werdna>	I don't think there are many people who understand the parser enough to fix them.
[03:29:10] <werdna>	The only person who knows it inside out is TimStarling 
[03:29:22] <werdna>	because he wrote most of it
[03:31:14] <Nephele>	Yeah.  I could figure out where the new failures that I added at one point were coming from, but trying to figure out where ftp://|x|| is parsed is a bit overwhelming
[03:33:32] <Nephele>	But while I'm here with the expert... is there a reason why Preprocessor.php contains interfaces rather than abstract classes?
[03:34:14] <TimStarling>	because some day I'm going to write an implementation of those interfaces in C
[03:34:24] <TimStarling>	and it wouldn't make sense to be calling the PHP base functionality from C
[03:35:30] <Nephele>	Hmm... so changing PPFrame to an abstract class wouldn't be a good idea, even if it's possible to get rid of some redundant code?
[03:36:12] <TimStarling>	in principle you could factor out common code in the two PHP implementations into a common base class
[03:36:26] <TimStarling>	but that common base class wouldn't be PPFrame, it'd be some new class
[03:36:56] <Nephele>	Yeah, I could do that
[03:37:04] <TimStarling>	the reason the code is duplicated is because I imagined that we would only have one PHP implementation
[03:37:11] <TimStarling>	and that the other one would be deleted
[03:37:55] <TimStarling>	it turns out that the two implementations are both needed
[03:38:38] <TimStarling>	because the DOM one doesn't work on all platforms, but it uses a lot less memory
[03:39:18] <TimStarling>	I thought that if a module was compiled into PHP by default, that meant you could use it
[03:39:22] <TimStarling>	but that's apparently not the case
[03:41:16] <werdna>	It would also be interesting to refactor the parser in such a way that all of the calls to the MediaWiki core were callbacks, so you could easily divorce it from MediaWiki and use it in other places.
[03:42:39] <Nephele>	The reason I've been mucking about with PPFrames is that not having getVariable available in top-level frames is making it impossible for me to migrate an extension from MW1.10 to a more up-to-date MW version
[03:43:49] <Nephele>	So I was looking at moving a lot of the variable-processing functions up to PPFrame -- or now, to a common base class
[03:43:53] <TimStarling>	there's no getVariable()
[03:44:07] <TimStarling>	do you mean getArgument()?
[03:44:17] <Nephele>	Sorry, yep, getArgument()
[03:45:36] <TimStarling>	so how do you have an argument to a top-level frame?
[03:45:43] <Nephele>	I've written an extension that makes it possible to define template arguments
[03:47:05] <TimStarling>	you mean in a procedure-like way?
[03:47:12] <TimStarling>	{{#setvar: x = y}}
[03:47:19] <TimStarling>	{{{x}}}
[03:47:41] <Nephele>	Yep, except the specific syntax I chose is {{#define:x|y}}
[03:48:39] <TimStarling>	you could subclass Preprocessor_DOM
[03:48:53] <TimStarling>	or Preprocessor_Hash, I would say choose one
[03:49:39] <TimStarling>	say Preprocessor_MyExt
[03:50:01] <TimStarling>	then you would override Preprocessor_MyExt::newFrame() to generate a PPFrame_MyExt
[03:50:10] <Nephele>	Yeah, true
[03:50:12] <TimStarling>	then you would override PPFrame_MyExt::getArgument()
[03:50:18] <TimStarling>	then extension setup would be:
[03:50:36] <TimStarling>	$wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_MyExt';
[03:51:20] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49925 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: 
[03:51:20] <CIA-15>	Fix problem where cached user objects would not update when default user options
[03:51:20] <CIA-15>	were changed. Now, only the option *overrides* are stored in the cache, and the
[03:51:20] <CIA-15>	options themselves are built from the defaults + overrides per request.
[03:52:59] <Nephele>	So you don't want any of the argument-related functions/arrays defined in the top-level PPFrame class because of the extra overhead?
[03:53:46] <CIA-15>	03shinjiman * r49926 10/trunk/extensions/ (78 files in 78 dirs): Follows up r49890, adding file location itself to obtaining the revision number shown in the Special:Version
[03:54:53] <TimStarling>	I don't want to add more features to the core preprocessor unless they are very carefully considered
[03:55:52] <TimStarling>	because I want the focus to be on performance, and additional complexity will discourage optimisation
[03:58:19] <Nephele>	OK, fine by me. I'll take the subclass approach, then, and keep my fingers out of the standard PPFrame classes ;)  Thanks for the tip!
[03:59:34] <TimStarling>	no problem
[04:16:46] <TimStarling>	I was looking at the vim source on the weekend, pondering LP #365860
[04:18:25] <TimStarling>	it's an interesting case of an app that must have started off simple, at some time in the distant past, and slowly became more complex
[04:19:31] <TimStarling>	it has a file called getchar.c, and you can imagine it being like a wrapper around the standard C getchar()
[04:20:01] <TimStarling>	it's 5100 lines
[04:20:40] <werdna>	that's quite a bit of locigic
[04:20:42] <TimStarling>	and that doesn't include UI-specific code like actually calling getchar(), that's in the UI modules
[04:21:59] *werdna 	wins the bugzilla top resolver contest for the week
[04:21:59] <werdna>	whee
[04:23:18] <TimStarling>	its use of the preprocessor is quite shocking in places
[04:24:24] <TimStarling>	http://pastebin.ca/1404435
[04:25:07] <werdna>	why for (;;) instead of while (true)?
[04:26:04] <TimStarling>	personal style, it's not uncommon
[04:26:08] <werdna>	they're identical, and I would assume that while (true) would be recommended because it's actually readable.
[04:26:19] <TimStarling>	that's not the issue there
[04:26:27] <werdna>	yes I know, just a side note
[04:26:32] <chuck>	heh
[04:27:13] <werdna>	I wonder if there's merit in using hooks within core, to keep code related to particular features all in one place.
[04:27:37] <TimStarling>	well yes, there is, and in fact they do
[04:27:41] <TimStarling>	this is in a file called os_unix.c
[04:28:16] <TimStarling>	actually it uses selective linking rather than function pointers
[04:28:29] <werdna>	hey brion
[04:28:33] <TimStarling>	but it's modular nonetheless
[04:28:36] <TimStarling>	hi brion
[04:29:03] *brion 	waves
[04:29:05] <brion>	howdy all
[04:29:09] *ToAruShiroiNeko 	watches the TimStarling-brion reunion in tears
[04:29:21] *TimStarling 	acts busy
[04:29:30] <ToAruShiroiNeko>	wait this isn't a soap opera, is it?
[04:29:39] <chuck>	brion: How is the code review going? :P
[04:29:48] <werdna>	My code's compiling.
[04:29:52] <brion>	little behind :D
[04:29:53] <brion>	\o/
[04:30:11] <chuck>	;-)
[04:30:13] <werdna>	oh, crap, PHP is interpreted :)
[04:30:17] <brion>	hehe
[04:30:18] <TimStarling>	I was just saying, I was checking out the vim source code yesterday, it has the most awful abuse of the preprocessor
[04:30:38] <TimStarling>	ok maybe not quite as bad as glibc
[04:30:40] <TimStarling>	but pretty bad
[04:32:01] <chuck>	Ay caramba
[04:32:26] <chuck>	I see a disproportionate amount of yellow squares to green squares in the scap map
[04:34:06] <werdna>	it's white that's "ok"
[04:34:22] <werdna>	http://www.xkcd.com/
[04:34:24] <brion>	white and green are boht good :D
[04:34:25] *werdna 	amuses self
[04:35:12] <chuck>	Oh, well I guess that isn't as bad :P
[04:35:16] *werdna 	hopes brion doesn't have to pull another all-nighter
[04:36:10] <chuck>	Heh, I like today's xkcd
[04:38:43] <chuck>	It's so true, just now I saw "Ever since the SWINE FLU, I've been avoiding mexican people", and "Swine flu is scary! Maybe this is why God said pigs were unclean animals."
[04:39:46] <werdna>	brion: so the new prefs stuff is in trunk if you want to take a squizz
[04:39:56] <werdna>	... or enjoy your weekend
[04:40:00] <werdna>	whatever works for you :P
[04:42:20] <werdna>	http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f7/swine-flu-hoax-967145/#post30468508
[04:42:22] *chuck 	notes that the weekend is over in about 2 hours :P
[04:42:22] <werdna>	I hate the internet
[04:44:06] <Prodego>	werdna: "She's and orthopedic trauma surgean and I believe she cured herself of cancer a while back by eating nothing but fruits and vegetables"
[04:44:18] <Prodego>	wow, she must be right!
[04:44:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) User's namespaces to be searched default not updated after adding new namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14609  +comment (10agarrett)
[04:45:26] <CIA-15>	03shinjiman * r49927 10/trunk/extensions/ (135 files in 135 dirs): Follows up r49890, adding file location itself to obtaining the revision number shown in the Special:Version
[04:46:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "Restore all default settings" needs confirmation dialog - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17188  (10agarrett)
[04:46:16] <werdna>	Shinjiman: what's that got to do with preferences?
[04:46:23] <werdna>	oh no ignore me
[04:46:29] <werdna>	I'm thinking of r49790\
[05:02:58] <Rich_Morin>	The Image:foo.png page has a "delete all" link.  Does this mean "delete all versions of this file?"
[05:07:08] <Rich_Morin>	nm
[05:08:27] <Splarka>	same as the [delete] tab at top
[05:09:00] <Rich_Morin>	just looked a bit scary
[05:23:32] <brion>	werdna: does anything use mOptions directly?
[05:23:45] <brion>	just wondering if it makes more sense to put only the ones we've set in mOptions to begin with
[05:23:46] <Prom_cat|Away>	Where can i get a copy of Bryan's mwclient module for python?
[05:25:28] <werdna>	brion: I don't know, maybe
[05:25:40] <werdna>	let me grep
[05:28:58] <brion>	wtf
[05:29:09] <brion>	why is Special:Preferences' login login opening in a new window?
[05:29:59] <werdna>	login login?
[05:30:08] <brion>	ah i think i've got some shitty experimental option on
[05:30:09] <werdna>	I don't understand what you mean
[05:30:25] <brion>	"You must be logged in to set user preferences. "
[05:30:34] <brion>	login link
[05:30:41] <werdna>	oh right
[05:30:54] <werdna>	I think there's still some ui cleanup to do too
[05:31:21] <brion>	    SELECT gp_property,gp_value FROM `global_user_properties` WHERE gp_user = '13' 
[05:31:22] <brion>	oh my :)
[05:31:39] <werdna>	what's up?
[05:31:52] <brion>	ok, who's funked in how many new tables?
[05:31:59] <brion>	in how many things?
[05:32:20] <werdna>	that's all me
[05:32:38] <werdna>	global_user_properties is for global prefs :)
[05:33:10] <brion>	i assume this is centralauth?
[05:33:25] <werdna>	right
[05:34:00] <werdna>	extensions/CentralAuth/db_patches/patch-global_properties.sql
[05:34:07] <brion>		gp_user int(11) NOT NULL,
[05:34:07] <brion>	^ i recommend against specifying sizes on ints like that
[05:34:18] <brion>	not only doesn't it do anything useful, but it confuses people who think that it might mean something :)
[05:34:35] *werdna 	drops
[05:34:51] <brion>	what's a "property" and how's it different from a "preference" or "option"?
[05:35:19] <werdna>	Well originally the idea is that we might store some other key-value stuff
[05:35:23] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49928 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/db_patches/patch-global_properties.sql: Remove (11) after int(11) -- useless
[05:35:25] <werdna>	but I agree that the nomenclature is confusing
[05:35:46] <brion>	i'd probably recommend using nomenclature that describes the factual use :)
[05:35:51] <brion>	this would be less confusing
[05:36:03] <werdna>	it's called preferences in the UI, options in core and properties in teh DB and in CentralAuth
[05:36:23] <brion>	pls fix thx :)
[05:36:39] <brion>	user_prefs sounds good?
[05:37:22] <brion>	how are the global ones used? what's the ui? how does one control them?
[05:37:50] <werdna>	it's on/off for now
[05:38:16] <brion>	on or off what?
[05:38:30] <brion>	Notice: Undefined variable: wgLang in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/Preferences.php on line 297
[05:38:32] <brion>	Fatal error: Call to a member function timeAndDate() on a non-object in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/Preferences.php on line 297
[05:38:43] <GerardM->	brion, does it make sense to write in bugzilla a feature request for immediate use of localisations once they enter WMF SVN from translatewiki.net ??
[05:38:52] <brion>	GerardM-: yes?
[05:38:53] <werdna>	there's a setting down the bottom of the preferences dialogue,   Use these preferences on all projects
[05:38:58] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49929 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[05:38:58] <CIA-15>	Follow-up on r49920.
[05:38:58] <CIA-15>	* email -> e-mail for consistency
[05:38:58] <CIA-15>	* add key to messages.inc
[05:39:03] <brion>	werdna: wouldn't know, prefs dialog doesn't work :)
[05:39:18] <werdna>	ah
[05:40:20] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49930 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Preferences.php User.php): Fix missing global wgLang
[05:40:20] <werdna>	fixed those fatals, thanks for that -- remnants from some reorganisation I did this morning
[05:40:27] <werdna>	okay the renaming thing
[05:40:58] <werdna>	so you want me to change any references to 'properties' to be references to 'options' or 'preferences'?
[05:41:12] *werdna 	would prefer options, options is the internal name for them.
[05:41:54] <brion>	options is fine i suppose :)
[05:42:00] <Splarka>	deferences to brion's references preferences?
[05:42:07] *Splarka 	waits for stab
[05:42:13] *werdna 	stabs.
[05:42:14] <brion>	Notice: Undefined variable: wgLang in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/Preferences.php on line 407
[05:42:14] <brion>	Fatal error: Call to a member function getMathNames() on a non-object in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/Preferences.php on line 407
[05:42:35] <brion>	test before you commit dude :)
[05:42:49] <werdna>	sigh, I don't have math enabled on my local site
[05:43:02] *werdna 	searches for '$wg' in all of the split-off functions
[05:43:27] <werdna>	sorry :(
[05:43:31] <brion>	:D
[05:44:07] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49931 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: Fix preferences for sites with math enabled
[05:44:46] <Splarka>	brion: how goes code review? (oh wait... it is sunday at almost 11pm, is that my answer?)
[05:45:09] <brion>	have we gained more tabs?
[05:45:13] <werdna>	yes
[05:45:19] <brion>	at my window size i've got three tabs spilling offo nto a second line now
[05:45:22] <werdna>	I split off one tab from user profile, 'E-mail options'
[05:45:22] <brion>	it looks kind of icky
[05:45:30] <brion>	(including gadgets)
[05:45:31] <werdna>	and one from 'Misc', 'Page Rendering'
[05:45:52] <brion>	we need a better way to organize those tabs
[05:46:04] <werdna>	yeah
[05:46:47] <brion>	email and email options are no longer on the same screen, which seems bad to me
[05:46:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) update localised messages as soon as possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18604 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (Gerard.meijssen)
[05:47:26] <brion>	and.... something doesn't work
[05:47:28] <werdna>	That's something else I've been thinking about
[05:47:36] <brion>	i changed my email, hit enter, and it says "your preferences have been saved"
[05:47:40] <brion>	but shows me the old value in the form
[05:47:46] *werdna 	tries
[05:47:55] <brion>	so 1) it doesn't appear to have saved it
[05:48:14] <werdna>	works ok for me
[05:48:15] <werdna>	hmm
[05:48:28] <brion>	yeah i tjust doesn't change at all
[05:48:34] <brion>	just keeps showing my old brion@localhost
[05:48:40] <brion>	insted of the brion@pobox.com i'm typing in
[05:49:00] <werdna>	I just changed to to andrew@werdn.us and back to andrew@localhost and it worked. Hmm. What would be different about our setups?
[05:49:12] <brion>	lemme test again without centralauth
[05:49:33] <brion>	ok, with centralauth gone it lets me change it
[05:49:36] <brion>	but, i have a serious regression
[05:49:53] <brion>	it's no longer telling me that my new address is unverified and that it's sent me a confirmation mail
[05:50:14] <brion>	if i happen to click over to 'email options tab' it now tells me that it's unverified, but i have to really look for it
[05:50:27] <werdna>	ah yeah, that's marked FIXME in the code still
[05:50:34] <brion>	and all the email option checkboxes are still enabled -- most of them should be greyed out
[05:50:52] <werdna>	I'll try to find a way to get that message out into the UI
[05:50:57] <brion>	well, it needs to either work or this needs to be pulled from trunk :) regressions are bad :D
[05:51:14] <werdna>	I'll see what I can do
[05:51:18] <brion>	yay!
[05:52:04] <werdna>	Actually now that I think about it it's obvious how to do it
[05:52:14] <brion>	spacing also seems odd on things like the skin list
[05:52:16] <brion>	big huge left margin
[05:52:33] <werdna>	yes, that's something else I know about but need to think about how to fix
[05:52:51] <werdna>	See, the general assumption is that each field has a label and an input
[05:53:00] <werdna>	if there's no label, then that column is blank
[05:54:11] <brion>	*nod*
[05:54:34] <werdna>	I've got it set to a fixed width because varying widths look strange from page to page
[05:54:40] <werdna>	problem is when there's NOTHING in the LHS
[05:54:53] <brion>	we've lost the timezone autodetect button, it seems
[05:55:07] <werdna>	so I need to either add a label for those, or remove the space
[05:55:10] <brion>	spacing looks odd on that tab too
[05:55:17] <brion>	too little space under the selector
[05:55:19] <werdna>	Parul suggested I move that button into the <select>
[05:55:35] <brion>	ehhhh
[05:56:32] <brion>	not sure i like that; it jumps and selects something different after you select it, which seems really weird behavior for a drop-down list
[05:56:44] <werdna>	mmm
[05:56:45] <brion>	better for it to stay on the same line
[05:57:03] <brion>	the whole time zone widget could use a revamp though, that's a separate area :)
[05:57:17] <brion>	for now i'd say concentrate on just not having any regressions
[05:57:31] <werdna>	ok
[05:57:32] <brion>	we're just trying to get new backend code in, not create a whole new UI
[05:57:36] <werdna>	so outstanding issues:
[05:57:43] <brion>	it shouldn't look any different than it did before
[05:57:44] <werdna>	1/ Weird spacing on gadgets and skin
[05:57:51] <brion>	or at least not much :)
[05:58:00] <werdna>	2/ Renaming properties to options
[05:58:09] <werdna>	3/ Warning about changing mail
[05:58:23] <Splarka>	leave the prefs changes in the UI, go "2.0"
[05:58:28] <brion>	3a/ make changing mail actually work with CentralAuth
[05:58:28] <werdna>	4/ Investigate centralauth not being able to save email
[05:58:35] <brion>	\o/
[05:59:12] <werdna>	5/ The stuff the translatewiki folks are hounding me about in another channel ;)
[05:59:28] <brion>	:D
[05:59:43] <werdna>	is there anything else I missed?
[05:59:48] <brion>	sounds like the highlights :D
[05:59:52] <brion>	lemme do a quick once-over on th eform
[05:59:56] <werdna>	sure
[06:01:07] <brion>	Signature:	[________________]
[06:01:07] <brion>	 [ ]	 Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)
[06:01:08] <brion>	 [ ]	 Remember my login on this computer
[06:01:08] <brion>	 [x]	 Use these preferences on all projects
[06:01:19] <brion>	i don't think those checkboxes belong together :)
[06:01:36] <brion>	so what does "use these preferences on all projects" do, exactly?
[06:01:52] <brion>	is it destructive? will it break all my existing settings unrecoverably?
[06:02:14] <brion>	which settings are the ones i want to be global?
[06:02:16] <brion>	how do i know?
[06:02:18] <werdna>	It replaces your local settings by a single preference, "globalpreferences" => 1
[06:02:29] <werdna>	And then stores the rest globally
[06:02:38] <brion>	picking gadgets for instance couldn't be global since different gadgets will exist in different places
[06:02:38] <werdna>	it's all preferences
[06:02:44] <brion>	:(
[06:02:45] <werdna>	hmm
[06:02:48] <brion>	pull that feature for now
[06:02:54] <brion>	revisit it later
[06:03:05] <werdna>	I couldn't think of a good UI for selecting individual preferences
[06:03:27] <brion>	we'll ponder it in the future :)
[06:03:32] <werdna>	ok
[06:03:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show what user's sig looks like on preferences page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17851  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:03:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Display preview of signature in user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16836  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:03:56] <brion>	ah yes and other general note:
[06:04:07] <brion>	5/ we now have too many tabs, re-merge them
[06:04:16] <siebrand>	werdna: that's for the quick help in the other channel. We have a non-erroring trunk again, which is nice. Off to work.
[06:04:19] *siebrand 	waves.
[06:04:26] <brion>	5a/ email status and options are no longer visible on same screen as email; need to be re-combined
[06:04:38] *brion 	waves towards siebrand 
[06:04:40] <Splarka>	intense suspense of preference offense! immense expense... dispense?
[06:04:42] <brion>	enjoy work :D
[06:04:48] <brion>	o_O
[06:04:54] <brion>	ok my brain can't take that at 11pm
[06:05:02] <brion>	it's a work night :)
[06:05:06] <siebrand>	yeah, it'll be fun. TResting customisations and creating a Mac image baseline.
[06:07:12] <brion>	ok, it's sleepytime for me. :) we will return to our regularly scheduled program of me being mean to n00bs in the morning :D
[06:07:18] <werdna>	hehe
[06:07:23] <werdna>	night brion 
[06:07:51] <brion>	nini!
[06:12:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow free editing of user date format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12280  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:12:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add the ability to specify custom date formats in Special:Preferences. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1784  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:15:16] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49932 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Partial revert of r49790 (global preferences) at Brion's request to ease review load (and there's at least an issue or two anyway).
[06:15:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Preferences Form Customization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15235  +comment (10agarrett)
[06:16:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) ccmeonemails preference enabled no matter if $wgEnableUserEmail is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13982  +comment (10agarrett)
[06:16:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Image and thumbsize reset to defaults in the new preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18605 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (niklas.laxstrom)
[06:26:07] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49933 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.php: * Add default value for preference
[06:35:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable control over editing RealName/Email/Nick preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9219  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:38:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add "E-mail signature" preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13473  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:44:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add ISBN link options to user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4595  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:47:14] <Marybelle>	Watchlists need a major rewrite.
[06:47:22] *Marybelle 	eyes werdna.
[06:49:01] <Christian_GER>	Hi, I'm writing an extension. All Hooks work fine, but when calling a function directly from the extension, without the use of a Hook, $wgRequest seems to be not present..
[06:49:14] <Christian_GER>	How can I use $wgRequest in my extension?
[06:50:17] <werdna>	Marybelle: I'm supposed to do liquidthreads next
[06:50:35] <Marybelle>	Hmmm, equally good, I suppose.
[06:51:21] <Christian_GER>	hello?
[06:54:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Runtime Error on Line 13 on "My watchlist" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18491  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:54:53] <Nikerabbit>	Christian_GER: just like any other global
[06:55:50] <Christian_GER>	Nikerabbit: $wgRequest is working fine in my Hooks. But not directly in my extension.php
[06:55:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Runtime Error on Line 13 on "My watchlist" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18491  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:56:06] <Nikerabbit>	Christian_GER: inside a function?
[06:57:18] <Christian_GER>	well, in the extension.php there is a: global $wgRequest   followed by print_r($wgRequest);    Result:nothing)
[06:58:13] <Nikerabbit>	Christian_GER: inside a function?
[06:58:23] <Christian_GER>	no, just like this
[06:58:53] <werdna>	$wgRequest isn't set up until after Setup.php
[06:59:03] <Christian_GER>	but also when I call a function (without using hooks) and ask for global $wgRequest, it not filled with values
[06:59:05] <werdna>	erm, until during Setup.php
[06:59:12] <werdna>	it's a StubObject
[06:59:25] <werdna>	let me rephrase that
[06:59:30] <Christian_GER>	hmm, and Setup.php is hapening AFTER my extension is loaded?
[06:59:41] <werdna>	It doesn't exist until during Setup.php, after the extension is loaded
[06:59:47] <Christian_GER>	hmm
[06:59:52] <werdna>	well technically your extension is setup during Setup.php
[06:59:57] <werdna>	but most of the logic is after that
[07:00:04] <werdna>	you want $wgExtensionFunctions, I expect.
[07:00:28] <Christian_GER>	is that parsed directly after the Setup, before all Hooks?
[07:00:40] <werdna>	What exactly are you trying to achieve?
[07:01:21] <Christian_GER>	I introduced some Voting (Radio Buttons) and want to process this vote, before article is loaded
[07:01:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) importDump.php returns fwrite() PHP error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18477  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:01:50] <werdna>	You should NEVER have actual business logic at global scope
[07:02:04] <werdna>	you probably want to use the PerformAction hook
[07:02:12] <werdna>	submit to /wiki/Article?action=vote
[07:02:23] <werdna>	s/Perform/Unknown/
[07:02:37] <Christian_GER>	hmm?
[07:03:15] <Christian_GER>	how Do I use these? Like regular Hooks?
[07:03:43] <werdna>	You should have the voting buttons submit to /wiki/Article.php?action=vote and use the UnknownAction hook to hook that particular action.
[07:04:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problem with Interface translation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18578  (10N/A)
[07:06:43] <Christian_GER>	werdna: ok, that seems to be exactly, what I've been looking for. But last question: is "UnknownAction" called before or after Article is loaded?
[07:09:48] <werdna>	why?
[07:16:52] <Christian_GER>	werdna: because I would like the votes to be procced when the article is shown
[07:20:37] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49934 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRandompage.php: * Small cleanup tweaks
[07:21:44] <werdna>	Christian_GER: The order in which the elements of the page are displayed have nothing to do with when the object model is loaded
[07:21:56] <werdna>	if you want something at the top of the article, you can use the ArticleView hook.
[07:22:07] <werdna>	UnknownAction lets you replace the page
[07:24:20] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49935 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php): * (bug 18535) Search tab tool-tops are corrupted
[07:26:03] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49936 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php: * Remove trailing whitespace
[07:26:30] <Christian_GER>	werdna: Thanks for the help :)
[07:33:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search tab tool-tops are corrupted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18535  (10N/A)
[07:33:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search tab tool-tops are corrupted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18535  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:34:51] <Rapp>	hi everyone!
[07:35:23] <Rapp>	is it possible to upload PDF files and link them from articles, using mediawiki? as for now, i only know how to upload images (jpg, png etc)
[07:38:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'edit watchlist' sorting issue, plus bonus complaint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18599  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:38:17] <Marybelle>	Rapp: Yes.
[07:38:23] <Marybelle>	Just enable them as an allowed file type.
[07:38:30] <Marybelle>	They won't display inline, though.
[07:43:54] <Rapp>	Marybelle: that's fine for me, thanks!
[07:46:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow displaying of enhanced RC by URL parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18499  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[07:52:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search should lead to similar pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18401  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:00:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow MediaWiki:version-revision to be empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18592  (10N/A)
[08:17:58] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Runtime Error on Line 13 on "My watchlist" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18491  +comment (10clemenzi)
[08:45:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Read restriction support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12251  (10chantepie)
[08:52:23] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49937 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ (5 files): * Cleanup, may still contain some bugs due to it
[09:03:01] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49938 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ (5 files): stylize.php and trailing whitespace removed
[09:06:34] <logik-bomb>	hi
[09:06:55] <logik-bomb>	is it possible to make the wiki private?
[09:08:06] <p858snake>	!access | logik-bomb
[09:08:06] --mwbot--	logik-bomb: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[09:08:18] <p858snake>	you need to apply the read right to all users (*)
[09:10:00] <logik-bomb>	thanks
[09:43:56] <uwjweq>	Are there templates for floating navigation boxes on the right hand side?
[10:21:51] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49939 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ImagePage.php): * (bug 17614) Prev / Next links not need on ImagePage file history if less than limit
[10:22:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Prev / Next links not need on ImagePage file history if less than limit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17614  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:23:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New magic word for missing images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16138  (10N/A)
[10:27:40] <Nikerabbit>	Notice: Undefined index: djvutxt in /var/www/sandwiki/includes/media/DjVu.php on line 72
[10:28:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New magic word for missing images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16138  +comment (10p858snake)
[10:29:32] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49940 10/trunk/phase3/includes/media/DjVu.php: * Kill E_NOTICE
[10:33:07] <Nikerabbit>	how does upload-by-url work?
[10:34:47] <Nikerabbit>	found it
[10:34:50] <Splarka>	curl fetch?
[11:17:59] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49941 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Pager.php: Fix for r49939: hide navigation links in higher level
[11:19:01] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49942 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: And some cleanup for image page
[11:39:53] <CIA-15>	03shinjiman * r49943 10/trunk/phase3/ (127 files in 3 dirs): * (bug 18592) Removing hardcoded brackets in 'version-version' and 'version-svn-revision' for better flexibility localisations in Special:Version
[11:40:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow MediaWiki:version-revision to be empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18592  +comment (10shinjiman)
[11:44:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove hardcoded brackets on MediaWiki:version-revision to allow more flexible localisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18592  summary; +comment (10shinjiman)
[11:45:57] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49944 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HTMLForm.php: * Wrapping inside <p>' creates too much space in search namespace selesction
[12:04:41] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49945 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Clean up remnants from half-done solutions in r49925, per comments on code review
[12:36:39] <Marius>	Hello, I use mediawiki on my server, is there any possibility to get a extension or something else that makes it available when I am offline, too?
[12:40:37] <Duesentrieb>	Marius: it's a web application. it lives on the web. when you are offline, there is no web.
[12:41:19] <Marius>	I think about something like googlemail with gears, there you can read your mails even when you are offline
[12:41:30] <CIA-15>	03shinjiman * r49946 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): change the message of 'version-svn-revision' to '(r?)' and mark it as optional, per disscussion from the IRC.
[12:42:07] <werdna>	we haven't written that
[12:42:16] <Duesentrieb>	and it's not likely to happen soon
[12:42:23] <Duesentrieb>	well, you can get a staic html dump
[12:42:28] <Duesentrieb>	if that's enough for you...
[12:43:02] <Marius>	Maybe, how can I get it?
[12:43:13] <werdna>	dumpHTML.php
[12:43:16] <werdna>	maintenance script
[12:43:20] <Marius>	thx
[12:57:11] <Anarhist>	is there any way to get mediawiki to issue 300 redirects rather than displaying the redirect page on the same url as the redirect?
[12:58:18] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49947 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (29 files): Follow-up on r49946. Removed outdated 'version-svn-revision' in localisations other than English.
[12:59:11] <BenBE2>	Hi, could you help this poor guy at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2762941&group_id=114997&atid=670231 and try to highlight the fact that people should ask at the extension page first if having trouble?
[13:00:53] <CIA-15>	03shinjiman * r49948 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialVersion.php: * (bug 18593) Unify svn-revision references in Special:Version
[13:01:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Unify svn-revision references in Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18593  +comment (10shinjiman)
[13:03:34] <CIA-15>	03malafaya * r49949 10/branches/wikidata/includes/SearchEngine.php: case sensitive search in OmegaWiki (patch by Kipcool)
[13:04:01] <werdna>	nobody had better beat me to #50k
[13:14:59] <Nikerabbit>	it better had be a proper commit
[13:15:25] <CIA-15>	03shinjiman * r49950 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialVersion.php: Partly revert r49448, looks like weird on the page while the viewvc link can be opened on every link in the extension description page on the MediaWiki website
[13:16:58] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: ;)
[13:17:05] *werdna 	commits "whitespace fixes"
[13:17:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unify svn-revision references in Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18593  (10shinjiman)
[13:17:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parser function to detect if the current page is in a given category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18596  (10cenarium.sysop)
[13:20:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'edit watchlist' sorting issue, plus bonus complaint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18599  (10thecentercannothold)
[13:23:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Moving many subpages requires loads of memory - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18585  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:30:11] <CIA-15>	03catrope * r49951 10/branches/querypage-work/phase3/includes/ (11 files in 2 dirs): querypage-work: (bug 8130) Query pages should limit to $wgContentNamespaces rather than just NS_MAIN. Patch by nephele
[13:32:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Query pages should limit to content namespaces, not just main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8130  (10roan.kattouw)
[13:35:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reasonably efficient interwiki transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9890  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:37:48] <CIA-15>	03nikerabbit * r49952 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialCategories.php: * Do the query before requesting navigation
[13:43:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) info vs code reversed in api error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18602  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:46:28] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Line-wrap help/error info in &format=jsonfm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16422  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:47:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'edit watchlist' sorting issue, plus bonus complaint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18599  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:52:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parser function to detect if the current page is in a given category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18596  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:56:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'edit watchlist' sorting issue, plus bonus complaint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18599  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:56:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parser function to detect if the current page is in a given category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18596  +comment (10agarrett)
[14:07:28] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49953 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Preferences.php specials/SpecialPreferences.php): Merge email back into user profile, fix regression where you weren't warned that your email address required authentication.
[14:09:59] <CIA-15>	03catrope * r49954 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryBacklinks.php): API: (bug 18601) generator=backlinks returns invalid continue parameter. Patch by Brad Jorsch
[14:10:15] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: I have problem: I cannot save preferences, because no skin is selected by default
[14:10:20] <Nikerabbit>	that is on another wiki
[14:11:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) generator=backlinks returns invalid continue parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18601  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:18:37] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: ok I'll file a bug
[14:18:52] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49955 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix regression in r49790, weird spacing for Gadgets and Skin tab.
[14:19:01] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: should work, let me peek
[14:19:18] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: Does that wiki not have $wgDefaultSkin set?
[14:19:55] <Nikerabbit>	mom
[14:20:32] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: probably left unchanged but I'll ask
[14:21:30] <CIA-15>	03catrope * r49956 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiBase.php): API: Fix regression from r32224 with caused bug 18597 (internal error for empty generator= parameter)
[14:21:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API: Internal error with empty 'generator' parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18597  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:22:30] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49957 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: Move math preferences into rendering, to minimise number of tabs
[14:22:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'edit watchlist' sorting issue, plus bonus complaint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18599  (10thecentercannothold)
[14:22:59] <bompo>	hi there, i try to get the code from an article with $wgArticle->getContent(); but it doesnt show the gallery tags anymore... anyone a idea why?
[14:25:33] <Nikerabbit>	more specific?
[14:25:59] <werdna>	$wgArticle is deprecated
[14:26:01] <werdna>	don't use it
[14:26:10] <RoanKattouw>	bompo: getContent() just grabs the wikitext content of an article. If there's <gallery> tags in it, you'll see them
[14:29:08] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Watchlist: Say what "time period" you are talking about when days=0 ("All") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17867  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:29:13] *^demon 	headdesks
[14:30:04] <Nikerabbit>	hi ^demon
[14:30:16] <bompo>	@RoanKattouw no it isnt. The Tags are in the wiki text but not in the output of getContent()...
[14:30:35] <bompo>	@which one is the current? 
[14:30:41] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Hello :)
[14:30:42] <bompo>	@werdna
[14:31:08] <RoanKattouw>	bompo: Are you very very very sure? How do you check/output this stuff? Are you sure the <gallery> tags aren't getting stripped/buried somewhere else?
[14:31:23] <^demon>	bompo: It depends on what you're doing and where. Try to avoid the globals like $wgTitle and $wgArticle when at all possible.
[14:31:43] <CIA-15>	03werdna * r49958 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuthHooks.php: Fix reversion of global preferences by removing the relevant preference for global preferences (a mouthful). Follow-up to r49932.
[14:35:00] <JiBz>	hi all !
[14:35:15] <Nikerabbit>	hi..
[14:35:54] <bompo>	$content = $wgArticle->getContent();
[14:35:54] <bompo>		echo $content;
[14:35:55] <JiBz>	Where can I include a new .js file ?
[14:36:13] <bompo>	and no tags...
[14:37:16] <JiBz>	up
[14:37:16] <bompo>	and the tags are in the edit mode of the page. they also working in the view...
[14:38:01] <JiBz>	I mean in which file can I declare an include for a js file ??
[14:39:30] <RoanKattouw>	bompo: Are you viewing the result of that in a browser? Have you tried View source?
[14:39:41] <Lido>	Hi, is their anyone who can help me with user rights?
[14:39:58] <RoanKattouw>	Lido: Just ask your question
[14:40:09] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: poke
[14:40:23] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: I poked the guy but he went missing
[14:41:14] <bompo>	yes i view the results in a browser, but i tried before to filter the gallery tags with preg_replace and that also didnt worked
[14:41:30] <RoanKattouw>	That's weird
[14:41:31] <Lido>	I add a right to localsettings.php, allow a certain user right to add that right, but when i view it in special:ListGroupRight it appears black
[14:41:40] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: I need to poke you about your bug report :))
[14:41:56] <RoanKattouw>	Lido: What's Special:ListGroupRight ? MediaWiki has no such page AFAIK
[14:42:19] <vvv>	RoanKattouw: ListGroupRights
[14:42:41] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm, didn't know that one
[14:42:50] <Lido>	I create both mediawiki:group-testright and mediawiki-group-testright-member
[14:43:31] <RoanKattouw>	Lido: You mean it's not a blue link like all the other stuff? There's probably a message for the link destination somewhere as well
[14:43:31] <Lido>	Special:ListGroupRights
[14:44:08] <Lido>	yeah that's what i mean, any help?
[14:44:42] <RoanKattouw>	Lido: See my comment above
[14:45:18] <Lido>	What do you mean by somewhere else?
[14:45:51] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: it may just be a glitch, can't be sure
[14:46:01] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: hmm, still should be investigated
[14:46:08] <werdna>	I'll try to find a way to reproduce it locally
[14:46:19] <werdna>	is it CURRENTLY happening?
[14:46:24] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: which is hard when I cannot access the db or source...
[14:46:34] <werdna>	where is it?
[14:47:42] <Nikerabbit>	there
[14:48:09] <Lido>	:/
[14:48:24] *RoanKattouw 	finds the message
[14:48:32] <bompo>	ok im stupid its working RoanKattouw
[14:48:37] <Lido>	Ta :)
[14:49:06] <bompo>	the browser viewed it as html tags and i didnt checked the source...
[14:49:12] <RoanKattouw>	Lido: Create grouppage-testright as well
[14:49:25] <RoanKattouw>	(MediaWiki:grouppage-testright that is), containing the link destination
[14:49:40] <RoanKattouw>	Compare http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Grouppage-coder and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights
[14:49:43] <bompo>	anyway thanks ^^
[14:50:19] <reedy_>	How would i get it to list in my wiki page source the servername like it does on en.wp?
[14:50:27] <reedy_>	mine shows <!-- Served in 0.529 secs. -->
[14:50:36] <reedy_>	want like <!-- Served by srv87 in 0.659 secs. --><!-- Served by srv87 in 0.659 secs. -->
[14:51:44] <ashley>	reedy_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgShowHostnames
[14:51:58] <reedy_>	thought it'd be something simple :)
[14:53:01] <CIA-15>	03demon * r49959 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (bug 18069) Fixed some CSS validation issues with colors
[14:53:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) CSS valid code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18069  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:53:08] <reedy_>	ashley: cheers :)
[14:53:23] <ashley>	no problem
[14:54:00] <Lido>	Roan: It worked, many thanks for your help
[14:59:41] <leonardjo>	Hello. I would like to upgrade a mediawiki installation to the latest version that supports PHP4. The website tells me to upgrade to 1.6.12, but SF doesn't have a package with that version for download. Which version should I choose or is there another place to download 1.6.12?
[15:00:06] <RoanKattouw>	!download | leonardjo 
[15:00:06] --mwbot--	leonardjo: The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download>. Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Subversion repository <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN >.
[15:00:11] <RoanKattouw>	(first link)
[15:00:34] <leonardjo>	You did not read my question.
[15:00:50] <leonardjo>	I am looking for the latest version that supports PHP 4 (four).
[15:00:58] <^demon>	leonardjo: Download it from mediawiki.org
[15:01:12] <leonardjo>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation tells me to get version 1.6.12
[15:01:19] <^demon>	Then download that from mw.org....
[15:01:20] <werdna>	leonardjo: that's the latest version
[15:01:33] <leonardjo>	I get linked to SF from there
[15:01:51] <Nikerabbit>	I want the latest version of MediaWiki that works with punch cards
[15:02:03] <leonardjo>	cheers Niker
[15:02:28] <^demon>	http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.6/ - it's in there.
[15:02:58] <leonardjo>	tx ^demon, I'll try that.
[15:02:59] <^demon>	(NEW) Mediawiki does not run on z/OS
[15:04:16] <LeonWP>	(NEW) Mediawiki does not run on my coffee maker
[15:05:11] <^demon>	(NEW) Users with browsers that don't use CSS or JS or images or display text cannot use mediawiki
[15:05:37] <leonardjo>	I found what I was looking for, I'll see if I can update the links to 1.6.12 that redirect me to SF.
[15:07:17] <leonardjo>	Well, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation is protected, perhaps there's an administrator in this channel that could fix it?
[15:09:30] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49960 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[15:09:30] <CIA-15>	* update preferences handling; only show when relevant
[15:09:30] <CIA-15>	* update README
[15:09:43] <RoanKattouw>	leonardjo: It's accessible enough. On that page, there's a link to # Download MediaWiki (current stable version is 1.14.0)
[15:10:04] <RoanKattouw>	And on that page there's a download link for 1.6.12 under the "PHP 4" header
[15:11:02] <leonardjo>	RoanKattouw, that's the point I a making
[15:11:12] <leonardjo>	That particular link forwards me to sf.net
[15:11:23] <leonardjo>	1.6.12 is *not* available there.
[15:11:34] <RoanKattouw>	It points me to a .tar.gz download
[15:11:36] <^demon>	On [[Download]] it links to the exact file I told you about.
[15:11:43] <leonardjo>	Try it out
[15:11:53] <^demon>	I just did.
[15:11:56] <leonardjo>	1.6.12 is not available at sf.net
[15:12:03] <RoanKattouw>	http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.6/mediawiki-1.6.12.tar.gz --> that's where the link points
[15:12:07] <^demon>	It prompts me to download the tar from download.wikimedia.org
[15:12:21] <RoanKattouw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download#PHP_4
[15:12:54] <leonardjo>	The link at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation points to http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wikipedia/mediawiki-1.6.12.tar.gz?download
[15:13:27] <RoanKattouw>	Ah, that very small download link
[15:13:31] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I see it now
[15:13:41] <leonardjo>	right
[15:13:42] *RoanKattouw 	edits
[15:13:42] <^demon>	Fixed.
[15:13:45] <leonardjo>	ty
[15:14:00] <leonardjo>	there was an other link somewhere else, but I didn't check that
[15:14:15] <leonardjo>	I'll do that in a sec
[15:14:36] *^demon 	checks linksearch
[15:15:09] <^demon>	Lots of old links.
[15:17:42] <leonardjo>	I suppose the other link I came across was indeed the one on the Download page, which is correct.
[15:18:08] <leonardjo>	Tx for the edit Roan
[15:18:21] <leonardjo>	Btw, the link to 1.5.8 right below also links to SF
[15:18:24] <RoanKattouw>	That was ^demon actually, he was faster than me
[15:18:31] <RoanKattouw>	And he's linksearching for SF links right now
[15:18:46] <leonardjo>	Well the one right below the one he just edited :)
[15:19:14] <leonardjo>	although 1.5.8 is available there
[15:19:43] <^demon>	Can a sysop on mw.org delete {{Download}}? I moved it to {{Sourceforge-old-download}} and now the former is unused.
[15:21:23] <RoanKattouw>	Will do
[15:22:27] <RoanKattouw>	Done
[15:22:33] <leonardjo>	Well I found what I needed. Have a good day gentlemen :-)
[15:23:07] <LeonWP>	Cu.
[15:36:36] <sonej>	Hi. I'm trying to install the Rating Bar extension. When I edit a new page and use the preview button i can see the Rating Bar. But when i save the page, it tells me to enable Javascript to vote. I tried to add $wgAllowUserJs true in LocalSettings.php but that did not help. Any id�s how to fix this?
[15:40:19] <sonej>	I maby need the Extension:Javascript installed?
[15:40:47] <^demon>	leonardjo: fyi, I've updated all the broken 1.6.x links on mw.org. Shouldn't be a problem again :)
[15:44:43] <Subfader>	when you compare two the selected versions, the version as of the older date will be shown below. "Current revision as of ..." But it is ALWAYS the current version. Is it a known bug?
[15:44:48] <Subfader>	see yourself: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASubfader%2FTest%2FHist_compare&diff=251891&oldid=251888
[15:46:25] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: What do you mean? I don't see how that's a bug
[15:47:29] <Subfader>	oh i expected the older view there :)
[15:47:38] <Subfader>	it's correct yeah.
[15:51:18] <leonardjo>	tx ^demon
[16:13:06] <Lido>	Hey all i got another problem, with the user rights i've added (Rollbacker, Ip blockexempt) as i go to edit user right on special:userrights when i tick the boxes, and click save rights, it doesn't change to them rights?
[16:13:30] <Lido>	aka does nothing
[16:13:51] <Subfader>	where is the default width (150px) for gallery boxes defined?
[16:16:18] <Subfader>	or would be bad to use a custom width because of the image thumb files?
[16:16:50] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: You mean the boxes generated by <gallery> ?
[16:17:06] <Subfader>	no system generated ones
[16:17:16] <Subfader>	like on Special:NewFiles
[16:18:25] <Subfader>	i'd love to use a max-width for the images so smaller ones aren't enlarged (that's an old bug that came back some while ago)
[16:25:01] <Subfader>	all those gallery div widths are not defined by css though. there must be some width settings for those system-galleries
[16:25:45] <Lido>	Anyone know about my problem :)
[16:27:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) form produced by TablePager::getLimitForm() fails when short URLs have not been set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18606 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (happy-melon)
[16:32:48] <Subfader>	can't even find it grepping "150" very odd :(
[16:49:35] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49961 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (18 files in 10 dirs): 
[16:49:35] <CIA-15>	fixed npt typo
[16:49:35] <CIA-15>	other fixes for scriptLoader
[16:58:29] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49962 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.js Configure.php): 
[16:58:29] <CIA-15>	* (bugs 16828, 18582) Fixed some JavaScript issues on Internet Explorer
[16:58:29] <CIA-15>	* Removed an obsolete statement
[16:58:29] <CIA-15>	* Whitespaces tweaks
[17:00:15] <Lido>	Hi no-one addressedmy problem
[17:00:56] <Mentifisto>	what's the difference between 'anon only' and 'autoblock disabled' in a block?
[17:01:02] <gnome06>	Hi. Does anyone know how to setup a mediawiki on the free.fr FAI ?
[17:01:39] <RoanKattouw>	Mentifisto: anon only means that edits from the IP while not logged in are blocked ,but logins from that IP aren't blocked
[17:01:58] <RoanKattouw>	Mentifisto: Autoblock means that every IP the blocked user tries to log in from is automatically blocked
[17:02:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configure JavaScript broken in Internet Explorer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16828  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:02:12] <RoanKattouw>	So anononly applies to IP blocks and autoblock applies to user blocks
[17:02:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Extension incompatible with IE8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18582  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[17:02:23] <Wuzur>	Mentifisto: With "anon only" you block only anons usign the ip you blocked, "autoblock" means that any user using the same ip as the user you blocked can't edit for 24 hours.
[17:03:45] *RoanKattouw 	starts baking brion-codereview some cookies
[17:04:15] *stwalkerster 	gives brion-codereview a fairy cake for every revision he reviews in this session
[17:04:44] <Mentifisto>	thanks
[17:05:07] <TheDJACR>	Is there a way to register via API?
[17:05:18] <TheDJACR>	I want a script to make a new user on a personal wiki.,
[17:05:23] <TheDJACR>	And syops it.
[17:05:35] <RoanKattouw>	TheDJACR: No, there isn't
[17:05:43] <RoanKattouw>	You can change rights, but you can't create users
[17:05:54] <brion-codereview>	   8 previously failing test(s) now PASSING! :)
[17:05:59] <brion-codereview>	it makes me happy
[17:06:01] <RoanKattouw>	There's a maintenance script that does that too, createAndPromote.php
[17:06:04] <RoanKattouw>	Yay :)
[17:06:16] *Lido 	was just about to say that
[17:06:20] <TheDJACR>	RoanKattouw: Can it be accomplished by POSTing to the actual register form?
[17:06:32] <TheDJACR>	RoanKattouw: Where?
[17:07:00] <RoanKattouw>	TheDJACR: Possibly; the script is in the maintenance directory, where all the other maintenance scripts are
[17:07:27] <TheDJACR>	Cool
[17:07:39] *TheDJACR 	ports it to python.
[17:11:55] <Dr_Jekyll>	what if want to report a bug without registering an account on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ ?
[17:12:03] <RoanKattouw>	You can't
[17:12:04] <Lido>	Could someone please address my previous problem about user rights?
[17:12:15] <RoanKattouw>	Just take the 3 mins it takes to register, not a big deal
[17:12:20] <TheDJACR>	RoanKattouw: Well, it seems like it would be hard to port that, I'll just execute it. Thanks, it is exactly what I wanted.
[17:12:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parser function to detect if the current page is in a given category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18596  (10cenarium.sysop)
[17:13:15] <Dr_Jekyll>	RoanKattouw but i'm sure i'll find no other bugs - but ok, it's great software ;)
[17:13:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Extension incompatible with IE8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18582  (10siebrand)
[17:13:35] <RoanKattouw>	I wouldn't be too sure about that :P plenty of bugs in MW
[17:14:15] <wikibugs>	03(VERIFIED) Special:Extension incompatible with IE8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18582  (10siebrand)
[17:15:21] <CIA-15>	03brion * r49963 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (archives/patch-user_properties.sql tables.sql): 
[17:15:21] <CIA-15>	* Update patch-user_properties.sql to match definition in tables.sql
[17:15:21] <CIA-15>	* Add some doc comments on user_properties table def and move it up near the user tales
[17:26:24] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) CSS valid code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18069  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:33:06] <brion-codereview>	RoanKattouw: does the API provide a way to fetch CSS that should be applied to rendered output?
[17:33:14] <RoanKattouw>	No
[17:33:20] <brion-codereview>	might be handy :)
[17:33:35] <RoanKattouw>	Kinda assuming that people can figure that out themselves :P
[17:33:40] <ialex>	\o/ code review
[17:33:42] <brion-codereview>	:)
[17:33:45] <RoanKattouw>	But yeah, I guess it could be useful, although it's skin-dependent
[17:33:47] *RoanKattouw 	files a bug
[17:33:52] <flyingparchment>	brion-codereview: setting up a live mirror?  tsk
[17:34:02] <brion-codereview>	being able to grab common css at least might be handy
[17:34:06] <brion-codereview>	flyingparchment: :)
[17:34:20] <brion-codereview>	maybe i will... slap some google ads on it and fund my retirement ;)
[17:34:27] <RoanKattouw>	brion-codereview: You can do that with index.php and some more magic params, stuff like gen=css
[17:34:29] *brion-codereview 	hasn't signed a non-compete...
[17:34:56] <brion-codereview>	http://shortstack.local/trunk/index.php?action=raw&gen=css
[17:35:00] <brion-codereview>	 /* generated user stylesheet */
[17:35:00] <brion-codereview>	a.new, #quickbar a.new { color: #CC2200; }
[17:35:04] <brion-codereview>	that's not too detailed :)
[17:35:16] <RoanKattouw>	But there's more 
[17:35:19] *RoanKattouw 	looks
[17:36:00] <brion-codereview>	that's just the prefs-based bits
[17:36:06] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[17:36:10] <brion-codereview>	common.css, monobook.css, etc are all loaded separately atm
[17:36:16] <RoanKattouw>			<link rel="stylesheet" href="/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&amp;usemsgcache=yes&amp;ctype=text%2Fcss&amp;smaxage=2678400&amp;action=raw&amp;maxage=2678400" type="text/css" />
[17:36:21] <RoanKattouw>	And lots more of those in the HTML source
[17:36:23] <brion-codereview>	and of course common/shared.css?
[17:36:37] <RoanKattouw>			<link rel="stylesheet" href="/skins-1.5/common/shared.css?207xx" type="text/css" media="screen" />
[17:36:40] <RoanKattouw>	Yup
[17:36:50] <RoanKattouw>	Depends on skinpath too; yeah, I see your argument
[17:37:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wrong Bold-Text with Newlines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18607 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (schwenk)
[17:37:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API should provide list of CSS styles to apply to rendered output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18608 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (roan.kattouw)
[17:37:24] <RoanKattouw>	brion-codereview: ----^^
[17:37:44] <brion-codereview>	\o/
[17:38:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong Bold-Text with Newlines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18607  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[17:39:01] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[17:41:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong Bold-Text with Newlines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18607  (10schwenk)
[17:41:13] <CIA-15>	03brion * r49964 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: 
[17:41:13] <CIA-15>	Revert r49957 "Move math preferences into rendering, to minimise number of tabs"
[17:41:13] <CIA-15>	Made the page rendering tab cluttered and confusing; no clear separation between this plugin feature and other things around it.
[17:42:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search index text is empty if page contains unmatched "<" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18609 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (nephele)
[17:48:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search index text is empty if page contains unmatched "<" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18609   +need-review +patch (10brion)
[17:49:02] <Bushi>	hello, i've installed my wiki in /var/www/html/ mediawiki-1.14.0, i'd like to make it /var/www/html/gigawiki.   I've changed the name of the directory and changed the vaule of $wgScriptPath to gigawiki 
[17:49:38] <Bushi>	but it doesnt work, i've read the shortURls page and it doesnt make much sense to me, am i missing an essential step here?
[17:51:34] <RoanKattouw>	Bushi: You have to change $wgArticlePath too, and possibly a few other vars as well; everything in LocalSettings.php that refers to the old location (/mediawiki-1.14.0) needs to be updated
[17:52:38] <Bushi>	thanks Roan, i'll change ArticlePath too, i did notice that in my LocalSettings.php that mediawiki-1.14.0 is only referenced once.  I'll give it a shot 
[17:56:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong Bold-Text with Newlines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18607  (10roan.kattouw)
[17:57:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong Bold-Text with Newlines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18607  (10roan.kattouw)
[17:58:16] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Unify svn-revision references in Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18593  +comment (10brion)
[17:59:55] <Sylvanus>	Hi
[18:00:00] <PaterMcFly>	Hi
[18:00:09] <Sylvanus>	When I'm loading images from the commons via InstantCommons, that is, SharedRepository
[18:00:21] <Sylvanus>	then my local mw installation should cache the images, should'nt it?
[18:00:35] <Sylvanus>	that means it should download them from the commons instead of linking directly to the commons image URL
[18:01:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong Bold-Text with Newlines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18607  (10schwenk)
[18:01:24] <Sylvanus>	the strange part over all is that my mw installation seems to ask the commons *every time someone loads a page*!?!
[18:01:48] <Sylvanus>	That's very strange since I thought a page would be cached if it has not been changed in some way
[18:02:47] <^demon>	Simetrical: Disagree on the colors issue. Hex colors are perfectly valid and don't cause (albeit stupid) errors in the validator.
[18:13:34] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Search tab tool-tops are corrupted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18535  +comment (10brion)
[18:15:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search tab tool-tops are corrupted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18535  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[18:21:25] <mattis^>	th one big net clip included into a Mediawiki, yeah! :) http://s23.org/wiki/Feeds/OneBigNetClip
[18:30:52] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49965 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceTextJob.php: Added handling of 'watch page' parameter
[18:32:34] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49966 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.i18n.php: Added and modified values to handle additional options for page-moving added in version 0.5
[18:33:23] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49967 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.php: Removed 'author' credit
[18:34:21] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49968 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.js: Fixed so that inverting selections doesn't affect move-pages option checkboxes
[18:36:47] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49969 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.php: Improved numbering
[18:37:52] <brion-codereview>	Notice: Undefined variable: wgLang in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/Preferences.php on line 382
[18:37:52] <brion-codereview>	Fatal error: Call to a member function getQuickbarSettings() on a non-object in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/Preferences.php on line 382
[18:39:02] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: ---^^
[18:40:02] <CIA-15>	03brion * r49970 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: 
[18:40:02] <CIA-15>	Follow-up to r49921 -- "Implement quickbar settings"
[18:40:02] <CIA-15>	Make actually work now after bits were divided into functions :D
[18:41:59] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) New preferences page does not contain e-mail confirmation data - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18580  +comment (10brion)
[18:48:41] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49971 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/SpecialReplaceText.php: 
[18:48:41] <CIA-15>	Replacement of text within pages now specified using a checkbox; 'watch moved
[18:48:41] <CIA-15>	pages' option added; some wrapWikiMsg() calls replaced, since that function has
[18:48:41] <CIA-15>	the unfortunate side effect (at least in some versions of MediaWiki) of calling
[18:48:41] <CIA-15>	the parser prematurely
[18:54:25] <Stwalkerster>	What's the recommended way of adding a skin? I know you're not supposed to edit the normal skin files, so I copied monobook. Now when I try to update from r48811 to HEAD, it breaks. I assume I've done something wrong?
[18:55:37] <flyingparchment>	perhaps you could be more specific than "it breaks"
[18:56:20] <Stwalkerster>	I think I got a php fatal actually
[18:56:32] <Stwalkerster>	I'll remake the error
[18:56:34] <flyingparchment>	perhaps you could tell us what it said
[19:00:43] <Stwalkerster>	hmmm......
[19:00:58] <Stwalkerster>	must've been a broken revision when I updated the first time
[19:01:06] <Stwalkerster>	or a failed svn up
[19:01:08] <Stwalkerster>	nevermind
[19:04:41] <CIA-15>	03brion * r49973 10/trunk/ (44 files in 9 dirs): 
[19:04:41] <CIA-15>	Revert r49880, r49883, r49885 - add uniwiki/CreatePage extension to core
[19:04:41] <CIA-15>	This looks pretty funky...
[19:04:41] <CIA-15>	A page with the title Main Page already exists. Would you like to edit the existing page?
[19:04:41] <CIA-15>	Yes. I want to contribute to the existing page.
[19:04:42] <CIA-15>	Yes. I want to contribute to the existing page.
[19:04:44] <CIA-15>	Lack of interlinking tools means that this would promote creation of orphan pages, and the UI isn't very good. Doesn't seem to be a clear way to disable it in favor of alternate creation methods either.
[19:05:43] <siebrand>	brion-codereview: What are "interlinking tools"?
[19:06:06] <brion-codereview>	hypothetical tools for adding some links?
[19:06:10] <prefrontal>	does anyone use mediawiki.el for editing?
[19:06:20] <siebrand>	brion-codereview: edit toolbar?
[19:06:38] <brion-codereview>	pretty sure the toolbar doesn't add links to your page from other pages :)
[19:07:25] <siebrand>	brion-codereview: what does that have to do with the use case "create a new page"?
[19:07:53] <brion-codereview>	siebrand: to be generally useful, the workflow needs to be more solidly thought out
[19:08:03] <prefrontal>	does anyone know anyone who uses emacs, and uses it to edit wikipedia?
[19:08:03] <brion-codereview>	as is, it would just add extra links to a poor user experience
[19:08:08] <brion-codereview>	and i don't want to deploy that as is
[19:08:20] <siebrand>	brion-codereview: OK. I completely disagree, but I'll leave it at that.
[19:08:48] <brion-codereview>	but since it's a) buggy and b) incomplete and c) can't be disabled... it's not deployment-ready
[19:08:54] <brion-codereview>	if it's not deployment-ready it doesn't belong in trunk
[19:09:43] <siebrand>	brion-codereview: yeah, that kind of pisses me off. The same could be said about the new preferences system, or visual diff. Those didn't get an immediate revert, but at least a few days to stabilise.
[19:10:03] <JK|AFK>	prefrontal: the computer, or the editor?
[19:10:04] <brion-codereview>	siebrand: create page is small and already exists as an extension
[19:10:09] <brion-codereview>	so why merge it to trunk at all?
[19:10:13] <RoanKattouw>	That's probably because you were so unlucky to commit right before code review :P
[19:10:20] <brion-codereview>	keep it as an extension until it's mature
[19:10:24] <brion-codereview>	that's much more sustainable
[19:10:28] <prefrontal>	emacs the computer? funny..
[19:10:41] <prefrontal>	i'm sure it has a wikipedia editing mode
[19:11:09] <siebrand>	hence the "I completely disagree, but I'll leave it at that."
[19:11:10] <brion-codereview>	preferences is big, can't be done as an extension, and has had a large number of fixes made on it already
[19:11:55] <brion-codereview>	since createpage doesn't need to be in core to be used, there's no reason to do the testing and fixes in core trunk
[19:12:30] <brion-codereview>	do you disagree? on what basis?
[19:12:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS valid code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18069  (10ste.coda)
[19:12:55] <prefrontal>	i guess this is the motivation for distributed version control
[19:13:02] <Avruch_>	stupid question - why would core files (core.xxxxx) be created regularly with about 30MB in size?
[19:13:13] <prefrontal>	your shell
[19:13:28] <Avruch_>	I'm sorry?
[19:13:29] <brion-codereview>	prefrontal: no need to be distributed. just not making branch-merging annoying would be sufficient :)
[19:13:48] <brion-codereview>	merging trunk updates to a branch *shouldn't* be any harder than svn up'ing your working directory
[19:14:26] <prefrontal>	Avruch_, you use bash? it's ulimit perhaps
[19:14:31] <RoanKattouw>	It's not, once you know how to :P
[19:14:56] <prefrontal>	svn has automatic merge tracking since 1.5
[19:14:58] <prefrontal>	i think
[19:15:03] <Avruch_>	can the core files be deleted?
[19:15:14] <prefrontal>	yes but you don't want them to be generated. turn it off
[19:15:19] <Avruch_>	how do I do that?
[19:15:26] <prefrontal>	ulimit
[19:16:07] <Avruch_>	can you explain more?
[19:16:49] <prefrontal>	i don't have the answer.. you haven't really given me any information. maybe you copied someone's shell profile and it turns on some ulimit options
[19:17:36] <prefrontal>	they are created, in the first place, because some software you are using is crashing
[19:18:27] <Avruch_>	hmm
[19:18:31] <prefrontal>	you can use the dump to debug the software. i doubt you're going to do that..
[19:18:46] <Avruch_>	no :-P
[19:19:58] <Avruch_>	I have a small, brand new MW install - its install is the only thing recently changed, core.##### files in the wiki directory are coming a couple times a day of about 30MB until the disk quota hit
[19:20:03] <Avruch_>	that is, unfortunately, about all I know ;-)
[19:20:37] <prefrontal>	must be php
[19:20:49] <prefrontal>	check your logs
[19:21:00] <prefrontal>	OS?
[19:22:27] <prefrontal>	you'll want to enable logging in php.ini http://www.addedbytes.com/php/php-ini-guide-error-handling-and-logging/
[19:22:42] <Avruch_>	ok
[19:23:31] <Avruch_>	I don't know about the OS - probably Linux, but the box is the ISPs and I don't have shell access - web-based control panel
[19:24:07] <Avruch_>	but I figured if it was a common problem related to MediaWiki, or not a problem but a feature, someone here would recognize it ;-)
[19:24:42] <prefrontal>	i see. well they probably have an inconsistency in their php setup. perhaps library clash or the like. just report it, they can fix it
[19:25:09] <prefrontal>	you can edit ~/.bashrc and add some ulimit options there to stop the core files from being created in the first place
[19:25:56] <prefrontal>	or perhaps you can't, being in a web env
[19:26:42] <Avruch_>	alright, thanks for the help
[19:49:48] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49974 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Calendar/SRF_Calendar.php: Changes to allow calendar to work in Special:Ask
[19:56:01] <nick_h[litage]>	is there a group for users who aren't logged-in?
[19:56:08] <flyingparchment>	*
[19:56:09] <RoanKattouw>	*
[19:56:12] <flyingparchment>	well, that includes all users
[19:56:16] <nick_h[litage]>	yeah
[19:56:17] <RoanKattouw>	(which contains all users, also those logged in)
[19:56:21] <flyingparchment>	but you can override it with 'users' later
[19:56:25] <nick_h[litage]>	what about just users who aren't logged-in?
[19:56:28] <flyingparchment>	or however it's called (loggedin?)
[19:56:41] <RoanKattouw>	If you want to disallow something only from non-logged in users, disallow it for * and allow it for 'user'
[19:56:49] <nick_h[litage]>	i want to grant edit privileges for all logged-in users
[19:56:59] <flyingparchment>	[*][edit] = false
[19:57:04] <flyingparchment>	[user][edit] = true
[19:57:23] <nick_h[litage]>	flyingparchment: i'll also need [admin][edit] and [bureaucrat][edit] and ... though, won't i?
[19:57:27] <flyingparchment>	no
[19:57:30] <flyingparchment>	those are also users
[19:57:33] <nick_h[litage]>	ah
[19:57:34] <nick_h[litage]>	thanks
[20:00:03] <Mike_lifeguard>	werdna: Do global blocks stop password reset requests? If not, could that be added easily?
[20:16:00] <Lido>	Hey, Does anyone know how to add another right on to the protect form?
[20:16:24] <Skizzerz>	uh, lemme see if I remember correctly
[20:16:27] <Skizzerz>	!wg RestrictionTypes
[20:16:27] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRestrictionTypes
[20:16:44] <Skizzerz>	that's for the types (like edit, move)
[20:17:02] <Skizzerz>	!wg RestrictionLevels
[20:17:02] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRestrictionLevels
[20:17:22] <Skizzerz>	that's for the rights (like none, autoconfirmed, sysops)
[20:17:45] <Lido>	where do i enter that, localsettings.php?
[20:17:47] <Skizzerz>	of course, you need to edit a few MediaWiki: namespace pages as well even after adding to those in order to make them display right
[20:17:52] <RoanKattouw>	Lido: Yes
[20:17:57] <Skizzerz>	yes, you would do it near the end of LocalSettings.php
[20:20:41] <Lido>	Some Mediawiki: namespaces?
[20:20:54] <RoanKattouw>	No, some MediaWiki:groupname-something pages
[20:21:10] <RoanKattouw>	I believe it's MediaWiki:groupname , MediaWiki:groupname-member and another one
[20:28:23] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49975 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/civicrm/: svnmerge integration
[20:29:38] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49976 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/civicrm/: 
[20:29:38] <CIA-15>	Initialized merge tracking via "svnmerge" with revisions "1-49038" from
[20:29:38] <CIA-15>	svn+ssh://straussd@svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/civicrm/vendor/civicrm/current
[20:38:17] <CIA-15>	03raymond * r49977 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.i18n.php: Follow up r49971: Fix parameter no.
[20:39:43] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49978 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:39:43] <CIA-15>	improved playlist support for oggz_chop content.
[20:39:43] <CIA-15>	other minor cleanup
[20:41:50] <CIA-15>	03siebrand * r49979 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/Mantis.php: optional for 'Mantis:s_directionality'
[20:49:00] <CIA-15>	03ialex * r49980 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.settings-ext.txt): Added support for the Drafts extension
[20:53:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preference to toggle edit tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11130  (10michael)
[20:53:46] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49981 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.i18n.php: Added 'replacetext_nomove' message
[20:54:05] <sonej>	When i use a extension whith javascript, it only load the javascript when I use the 'Show  preview' button. Otherwise it just says "You need to enable Javascript to vote". Is there somthing I need to install? Any ideas?
[20:55:12] <CIA-15>	03yaron * r49982 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/SpecialReplaceText.php: Fixed handling of replacement-confirm form; more general improvements
[21:13:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow ReplaceText on page names only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18584  +comment (10yaron57)
[21:14:02] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49983 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/civicrm/ (53 files in 36 dirs): Merge in CiviCRM 2.2.2
[21:37:18] <hangfromthefloor>	Is there a way in MySQL that I can get a list of all the page names and datetimes when new pages were created? (Preferably filtered by namespace)
[21:37:50] <hangfromthefloor>	and the user who created the page, and the number of bytes
[21:41:31] <hangfromthefloor>	Well, would it have to do with the archive table? how would you get rows that are specifically when new pages are created? (and deleted)
[21:41:46] <hangfromthefloor>	What's the difference between archive and revision tables?
[21:42:11] <flyingparchment>	archive is for deleted pages
[21:42:48] <CIA-15>	03dale * r49984 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (7 files in 5 dirs): 
[21:42:48] <CIA-15>	fixed seeking across clips in playlist of oggz_chop temporal urls
[21:42:48] <CIA-15>	more npt related fixes
[21:46:06] <hangfromthefloor>	Any clue how to make this MySQL statement? I don't know in which column or table to find when pages are newly created
[21:49:47] <Platonides>	hangfromthefloor, see the recentchanges table
[21:53:55] <hangfromthefloor>	so I'd need to select rc_timestamp, rc_user, filter by rc_namespace,  how do I get num of bytes?
[21:54:21] <hangfromthefloor>	and do  where rc_new=1;   
[21:54:56] <hangfromthefloor>	how do I get deleted pages?
[21:55:57] <hangfromthefloor>	or would I do rc_user_text instead of rc_user?
[21:56:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance script to un/protect pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18566  (10funnyman3595)
[21:57:40] <hangfromthefloor>	Actually, I just want to get the pages that exist *right now*, the datetime they were created, the user that created it (or moved it), and the number of bytes
[21:58:02] <hangfromthefloor>	.and a way to filter by namespace
[21:58:57] <Beta|away>	hangfromthefloor: find the min rev for each page in the revision table
[21:59:09] <hangfromthefloor>	What does that mean?
[21:59:16] <hangfromthefloor>	You noticed I'm not good at this SQL stuff
[22:00:08] <Beta|away>	hangfromthefloor: I dont have time to look up/create the query poke someone else but thats what you need
[22:00:31] <hangfromthefloor>	I bet Splarka knows
[22:00:51] <hangfromthefloor>	where's that Splarka dude :]
[22:01:48] <hangfromthefloor>	so revision is only the pages that currently exist?
[22:02:01] <hangfromthefloor>	(does not include the deleted pages?(
[22:03:49] <hangfromthefloor>	rev_len isn't num of bytes... is it?
[22:07:23] <Beta|away>	hangfromthefloor: it is
[22:07:34] <hangfromthefloor>	thanks Beta
[22:07:37] <hangfromthefloor>	select rev_timestamp, page_namespace, page_title, rev_user_text, rev_len from revision, page where page_id=rev_id;      will that work?
[22:14:13] <CIA-15>	03straussd * r49985 10/civicrm/ (trunk/sites/all/modules/civicrm/ vendor/): Remove obsolete vendor branches
[22:28:53] <pyrak>	how do i keep a url from turning into an image?
[22:29:09] <pyrak>	i have this line in my page, and the url part turns into the image at the url
[22:29:26] <pyrak>	** update: $wgLogo = "http://wiki.freeculture.org/wiki-logo.png";
[22:30:45] <brion>	pyrak: depending what you're asking... you could wrap it with <nowiki> or you could disable remote images in LocalSettings.php
[22:35:45] <hangfromthefloor>	Okay, it's not doing what I want, which is getting just the first revision of the page (after any possible deletions)
[22:36:02] <hangfromthefloor>	This is my SQL statement so far: |select rev_timestamp, page_namespace, page_title, rev_user_text, rev_len from revision, page where page_id=rev_id order by page_namespace, rev_timestamp;|
[22:37:37] <xaxxon>	I'm sending in a . (period) as a parameter, but when I query it via $wgRequest->data, it's been turned into an _ (underscore).  Is this normal?  do I have a rogue rewrite rule?
[22:38:51] <brion>	xaxxon: you might
[22:39:13] <brion>	you also might have some silly 'security' thing rewriting your data because it thinks it's an sql injection or shell injection attack
[22:39:33] <hangfromthefloor>	1. why is rev_len NULL?
[22:39:52] <pyrak>	brion, <nowiki> did it. thanks!
[22:39:53] <hangfromthefloor>	ah it's because it's supposed to be page_len
[22:43:42] <hangfromthefloor>	2. same question as before; it's not finding the oldest revision of a page.
[22:46:30] <hangfromthefloor>	so... how do you do that?
[22:46:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Chinese needs sensible fallback character encoding set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17020  (10brion)
[22:47:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Split Special:AllMessages to several pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18610 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mohamed.m.k)
[22:47:21] <brion>	hangfromthefloor: you probably want to fix your join condition
[22:47:26] <brion>	rev_page=page_id
[22:47:30] <brion>	not rev_id=page_id
[22:47:44] <hangfromthefloor>	That might be the problem, see if it works, thanks brion
[22:47:49] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Split Special:AllMessages to several pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18610  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[22:48:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Paginate Special:AllMessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16497  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[22:48:10] <brion>	and you don't seem to have anythings else in your where clause, so it'll fetch for all pages in the database
[22:48:12] <brion>	is that what you want?
[22:48:33] <hangfromthefloor>	I want only revisions when a page was created
[22:49:53] <hangfromthefloor>	and rev_new=1?
[22:50:30] <Splarka>	( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvdir=newer&rvlimit=1&titles=Chocolate  API does it pretty snazzily, maybe you can steal from includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php )
[22:50:32] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) API must be accessed through the primary script entry point error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13049  +comment (10brion)
[22:50:40] <brion>	hangfromthefloor: define 'created' :)
[22:50:48] <hangfromthefloor>	New page
[22:50:52] <hangfromthefloor>	in any namespace
[22:50:57] <brion>	nothing's stored for that per se
[22:51:04] <brion>	do you want the earliest revision for each page?
[22:51:08] <hangfromthefloor>	ya
[22:51:16] <hangfromthefloor>	same thing, no?
[22:51:23] <brion>	use aggregate functions (min(rev_timestamp)) and such
[22:51:32] <hangfromthefloor>	ehh
[22:51:34] <brion>	not necessarily. might have deleted older versions etc
[22:51:48] <hangfromthefloor>	that's another thing I want to take into account
[22:54:58] <hangfromthefloor>	err I don't need the XML stuff returned by the API
[22:55:15] <hangfromthefloor>	isn't there just a way to use the same/ a similar statement they're using in the API thing?
[22:55:58] <Splarka>	that is what "maybe you can steal from" indicated
[22:56:18] <hangfromthefloor>	thought that was part of the URL :D
[22:56:29] <Splarka>	but if you want the deleted revisions too, then probably not so simple
[22:56:51] <hangfromthefloor>	i don't now
[22:57:14] <hangfromthefloor>	I can either have all pages ever, with newest and deleted  (worse)
[22:57:23] <hangfromthefloor>	or all pages existing right now, with newest revision 
[22:57:29] <hangfromthefloor>	I mean
[22:57:33] <hangfromthefloor>	oldest revision*
[22:57:44] <hangfromthefloor>	does that kind of make sense?
[22:58:34] <Splarka>	how about moved titles?
[22:58:57] <hangfromthefloor>	that too...
[22:59:02] <Splarka>	say [Foobar] was created in 2005, and then moved to [Foobar2] in 2006, and then deleted in 2007, and then a new page was created at [Foobar] in 2008
[22:59:12] <Splarka>	what data do you want from that?
[22:59:18] <hangfromthefloor>	yeah I just want 2008 Foobar
[22:59:24] <hangfromthefloor>	because Foobar 2 doesn't exist
[22:59:27] <hangfromthefloor>	now
[22:59:42] <Splarka>	well, say [Foobar2] was recreated in 2009
[22:59:51] <Splarka>	it will have a deleted revision from 2005
[22:59:58] <hangfromthefloor>	now  I want Foobar2 from 2009
[23:00:06] <hangfromthefloor>	the first revision when it was re-created
[23:00:07] <MrZ-man>	SELECT rev_user_text, rev_len, page_title, page_namespace, rev_timestamp FROM revision JOIN page ON page_id=rev_page GROUP BY page_id HAVING MIN(CAST(rev_timestamp AS DATETIME))   -- will return data for the first non-deleted revision of every currently existing page
[23:00:22] <Splarka>	so you totally want to ignore deleted revisions?
[23:00:34] <hangfromthefloor>	pretty much
[23:00:48] <hangfromthefloor>	i mean if it was deleted then it must have sucked  before it got deleted :)
[23:01:01] <Splarka>	do what Zman say
[23:01:10] <hangfromthefloor>	WOW Zman thanks like $800 billion
[23:01:17] <TheDJACR>	Do cookies need to be enabled to use the API?
[23:01:37] <sonej>	Witch page is it again, I want to see all my installed extensions and loaded scripts.
[23:01:50] <Splarka>	although it is possible to get both the oldest deleted and oldest non-deleted in one API query, eg: action=query&prop=revisions&rvdir=newer&rvlimit=1&list=deletedrevs&drdur=newer&titles=Main%20Page  heh
[23:01:55] <TheDJACR>	Dumb question.
[23:02:04] <Splarka>	sonej: Special:Version
[23:02:17] <sonej>	Thank you
[23:02:18] <Splarka>	TheDJACR: you can use it anonymously ^_^
[23:02:56] <TheDJACR>	Splarka: I'll need to edit :p
[23:02:57] <MrZ-man>	you could probably do something similar in the archive table, though there aren't as many indicies, so it might be slower
[23:03:35] <hangfromthefloor>	i probably don't care about archived revisions
[23:03:45] <hangfromthefloor>	per what Splarka was asking about Foobars 
[23:06:09] <hangfromthefloor>	rev_len is null, I tried using page_len and it worked instead ... but I trust you knew what you were doing, is there an issue?
[23:06:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Line-wrap help/error info in &format=jsonfm - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16422  (10herd)
[23:06:43] <hangfromthefloor>	actually it's not null until the edits starting in 2009
[23:06:47] <MrZ-man>	rev_len will be null for old revisions
[23:06:51] <hangfromthefloor>	when I updated MW to 1.14
[23:07:09] <MrZ-man>	there might be some maintenance script to populate it
[23:07:15] <hangfromthefloor>	i won't bother
[23:07:42] <hangfromthefloor>	now is there a way to add a column for the current len of the page?  just page_len?
[23:07:51] <MrZ-man>	yes
[23:08:50] <hangfromthefloor>	to get if it is now a redirect, I do page_is_redirect?
[23:09:03] <hangfromthefloor>	heh why am I asking
[23:10:34] <hangfromthefloor>	meh now I have to manually parse the mysql_fetch_arrays because I want to italicize em :(
[23:21:14] <hangfromthefloor>	in which table are namespace  names stored?
[23:21:58] <hangfromthefloor>	Like I want to change  0 into "Main",  1 into "Talk", etc.
[23:26:12] <Splarka>	...is that stored in any table? isn't it just part of Language.php::getNamespaces which reads from the various php/config files to determine wtf they should be ?
[23:26:55] <sonej>	When I use the RatingBar extension, it only loads the javascript when I use the 'Show  preview' button in Edit. Otherwise it just says "You need to enable Javascript to vote". Any ideas why this is happening?
[23:27:07] <hangfromthefloor>	so I can't get that through mysql
[23:27:31] <hangfromthefloor>	Like it says in the docs: page_title: The sanitized page title, without the title of its namespace. It is stored as text, with spaces replaced by underscores.
[23:27:39] <hangfromthefloor>	so I want the 'title of its namespace'
[23:33:36] <Splarka>	hangfromthefloor: looks like you'll have to either dump it periodically for your stat thingy, or query the wiki for it
[23:33:50] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces|namespacealiases
[23:34:26] <hangfromthefloor>	heh, okay, thanks
[23:46:25] <IllvilJa1>	I am trying to make the $wgFileExtensions array to be different for a certain user when he is logged on.  I'm trying to set up an if-clause in the LocalSettings.php but what variable is containing the name of the currently logged in user? Is it $wgUserName? I tried to use it but it fail to work as expected.  Google and FAQs search has been done, but were i vain.
[23:46:52] <IllvilJa1>	(I'm trying to let that special user be trusted to upload 'svg' files)
[23:50:05] <Simetrical>	IllvilJa1, LocalSettings.php is run before almost anything else.  Things like the current user aren't set up.
[23:50:13] <Simetrical>	You'd have to use a hook that runs later on.
[23:50:42] <Simetrical>	The variable you want is $wgUser, which is a User object.  See includes/User.php for methods.  global $wgUser; $name = $wgUser->getUsername(); or something should do what you want.
[23:51:15] <IllvilJa1>	Simetrical: Thanks, I'll try that.  Or just bite the bullet and let everyone be allowed to upload 'svg' files (in addition to the default ones).
[23:54:09] <Splarka>	mmm
[23:54:15] <charitwo>	rar
[23:54:42] <Splarka>	I wonder if you could add svg, but then add a regex to the title blacklist preventing creation of *svg in File namespace, except by a custom user group (and sysops_
[23:55:16] <IllvilJa1>	Hm.  That is another interesting option.  Thanks.
[23:56:29] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Title_Blacklist