[14:30:39] <bibi-B>	hi
[14:31:01] <CIA-20>	03raymond * r50485 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: 
[14:31:01] <CIA-20>	Revert r50480 for now: Messages are not stable enough at the moment for integration into translatewiki.net.
[14:31:01] <CIA-20>	Please ask translatewiki.net staff for review before next enabling. Thanks.
[14:32:04] *freakolowsky 	wanted to post a funny comment on brion's "morning" but then remembered the last time he did that and it all ended up in time-travel debat ... keeping quiet :D
[14:32:22] <bibi-B>	174 people
[14:32:27] <bibi-B>	now 175
[14:32:44] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: nice page... especially the thing about CSRF is something that I too have probably violated
[14:33:33] <TimStarling>	bibi-B: pity they're not all qualified support engineers paid to help you with MediaWiki, eh?
[14:34:01] <brion>	TimStarling: awesome
[14:34:05] <brion>	(RC)
[14:34:20] <brion>	TimStarling: oh are we testing with php 5.3 RCs while we're at it?
[14:34:32] <TimStarling>	could do
[14:34:49] <brion>	yay
[14:34:55] <TimStarling>	I think we've been more or less 5.3-compatible for a while though
[14:34:56] <bibi-B>	Can someone help me i have asked when i came in
[14:35:39] <Nikerabbit>	as far as I can see you have not asked any question that we can answer
[14:35:45] <brion>	there are always surprises :)
[14:35:59] <freakolowsky>	Nikerabbit ... was typing just that :D
[14:36:00] <Platonides>	!ask | bibi-B
[14:36:00] --mwbot--	bibi-B: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[14:37:16] <bibi-B>	!gethelp
[14:37:16] --mwbot--	Please read http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[14:37:16] <bibi-B>	??
[14:38:03] <freakolowsky>	lol ... just ask the silly question dude
[14:38:59] <Nikerabbit>	freakolowsky: there is no reason to be unpolite
[14:39:38] <freakolowsky>	Nikerabbit: unpolite?
[14:39:54] <charitwo>	dude!!
[14:40:38] <freakolowsky>	wha'??
[14:41:25] <TimStarling>	I think he means that your lol sounded a bit derisive
[14:42:13] <bibi-B>	is this place for support or somthing thats what it seems like
[14:43:01] <TimStarling>	bibi-B: yes, can I help you?
[14:43:37] <bibi-B>	es
[14:43:51] <bibi-B>	How Do You Create The Page Locks ??
[14:44:49] <TimStarling>	you mean to stop other people from editing a page?
[14:44:56] <bibi-B>	yes
[14:45:27] <TimStarling>	first log in as an administrator if you're not already
[14:45:42] <TimStarling>	go to the page, click "protect" which is near the top
[14:45:42] <bibi-B>	I am logged in as administrator
[14:46:11] <TimStarling>	there's a box near the top labelled "edit", inside you click "administrators only"
[14:46:20] <bibi-B>	ok
[14:46:26] <rchern>	i've got what seems to be a single user getting a server side error, loads fine for all my other users. http://pastebin.com/m6863e59f anybody ever seen this?
[14:46:31] <TimStarling>	then scroll down to the bottom, and click "confirm"
[14:46:36] <TimStarling>	then you're done
[14:46:55] <bibi-B>	how do you use  {{pp-vandalism}}
[14:47:04] <bibi-B>	and things  like that
[14:47:28] <TimStarling>	if you're an admin on wikipedia, you use it in accordance with policy
[14:47:39] <TimStarling>	if you're not, you don't bother with such things
[14:48:10] <bibi-B>	ok
[14:48:33] <bibi-B>	how do you add flash
[14:49:33] <TimStarling>	go to www.mediawiki.org and search for "flash"
[14:50:11] <rchern>	it's weird that it is a server-side error, but only 1 user gets it
[14:50:33] <Platonides>	rchern, perhaps he uses a different skin?
[14:50:50] <rchern>	how can i look at that?
[14:51:03] <freakolowsky>	try setting his skin to default
[14:51:13] <TimStarling>	rchern: it looks like a bug in the auth plugin
[14:51:16] <rchern>	can you guess my next question? (;
[14:51:25] <rchern>	how do i change a user's skin?
[14:51:38] <Platonides>	it's easier to change your skin
[14:51:46] <Platonides>	and see if you get its error
[14:51:56] <rchern>	but if i don't know what skin he is using...
[14:52:02] <Platonides>	try all of them
[14:52:13] <Duesentrieb>	for testing, useskin is your friend
[14:52:18] <Platonides>	open the demo links in new tabs
[14:52:26] <TimStarling>	I don't know why you think it's skin-related
[14:52:29] <rchern>	and anyways, there's only 1 custom skin, which is what i'm using
[14:52:41] <TimStarling>	the skin is right, "User:" isn't a valid title
[14:52:45] <rchern>	because the error is from SkinTemplate ?
[14:52:58] <freakolowsky>	TimStarling: only one user get's the error ... wouldn't auth bug be global
[14:53:13] <Platonides>	TimStarling, the bug isn't necessarily on the skin
[14:53:21] <Platonides>	but the skin is showing it
[14:53:31] <Platonides>	...just for one user
[14:53:34] <TimStarling>	$wgUser->getUserPage() is probably returning an invalid title
[14:53:44] <TimStarling>	due to a bug during authentication
[14:54:57] <rchern>	he isn't logged in
[14:55:03] <rchern>	and can't
[14:55:10] <rchern>	the main page always works fine he says
[14:55:17] <rchern>	but clicking any other random page he gets that error
[14:55:25] <Jeni>	Does anyone have any experience with the KML Export extension?
[14:55:27] <ahmed-araby>	good evening/morning all,how can I edit group permissions ?
[14:55:30] <CIA-20>	03jan * r50486 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/Poll.i18n.php: r50481 Fix messages
[14:55:30] *Jeni 	will love anyone that does forever!
[14:55:37] <TimStarling>	rchern: what authentication plugin is it?
[14:55:49] <rchern>	whatever's default?
[14:56:04] <TimStarling>	did you install the wiki?
[14:56:11] <rchern>	yes
[14:56:14] <rchern>	a year ago >_>
[14:56:18] <Platonides>	!grouppermissions |ahmed-araby 
[14:56:18] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[14:56:44] <ahmed-araby>	Platonides:thanks 
[14:57:07] <Platonides>	you're welcome :)
[14:57:12] <TimStarling>	could be a bug with the skin... ;)
[14:58:23] <rchern>	well like i said, the skins that are there are the built-in ones and a custom one that is the default skin that i and probably ever other user is using
[14:58:30] <rchern>	so i'm skeptical (;
[14:58:41] <rchern>	but i'm not sure what i need to be looking for to resolve this
[14:58:51] <Platonides>	rchern, start by testing them
[14:59:41] <TimStarling>	so I found out yesterday that there were half a dozen sequels to Caesar III
[15:00:09] <TimStarling>	and coincidentally, I made a windows VM today...
[15:00:16] *freakolowsky 	yet again refrains from using a certain three-letter acronym
[15:01:09] <Platonides>	"coincidentally"
[15:01:34] <TimStarling>	it was!
[15:01:38] <rchern>	(:Platonides:) i can view a random wiki page in every skin
[15:07:08] <ahmed-araby>	one more link please for clean URLS using rewrite 
[15:07:27] <CIA-20>	03jan * r50487 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/Poll.i18n.php: r50486 Remove BOM
[15:07:53] <freakolowsky>	AAAAAAAAAAA ... today's Murphy visit ... pressed Alt-F4 instead of Ctrl-S ... pressing enter on dialog was a reflex :S
[15:12:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ./configure does not work properly, it produces garbage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18767 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Lucene Search; (office)
[15:17:12] <CIA-20>	03jan * r50488 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/Poll_body.php: Change input from HTML to Xml class
[15:20:55] <QuestPC>	Hi! My rewrite rules for shorturl in root directory fail sometimes. Can someone give an idea what's wrong (I can paste them)?
[15:25:50] <QuestPC>	it's not my choice to run the wiki with scriptpath poitning to root, it's been setup so already
[15:27:17] <QuestPC>	http://rafb.net/p/WDIoOD40.html
[15:28:48] <freakolowsky>	QuestPC are fails on random page
[15:30:33] <QuestPC>	freakolowsky: fails are when the title being requested with some action index.php?title=mytitle&action=something
[15:30:56] <QuestPC>	freakolowsky: it's windows, not linux, if that matters.
[15:31:44] <QuestPC>	I've thought this condition should prevent index.php? to be interpreted as title (RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/(redirect|index).php(.*) [NC]) but it seems does not.
[15:33:03] <CIA-20>	03ialex * r50489 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRecentchanges.php: __FUNCTION__ -> __METHOD__ in SpecialRecentchanges::checkLastModified()
[15:34:32] <QuestPC>	and I can't get mod_rewrite debugging to work.. (if I had maybe I'd figure out myself).
[15:38:26] <CIA-20>	03demon * r50490 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/Poll_body.php: <table> tags don't have a method attribute.
[15:44:30] <freakolowsky>	with that rule removed
[15:51:37] <Prom_cat>	Is there a way to block a XFF IP ?
[15:52:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove AdminSettings.php from MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18768 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (public)
[15:52:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create AdminSettings.php during wiki installation, in the same way as LocalSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14201  (10public)
[15:52:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow maint scripts to accept DB user/pass over input or params if no AdminSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16322  (10public)
[15:52:31] <Marybelle>	TimStarling: ^ :-)
[15:55:05] <TimStarling>	you mean the whole proxy, or do you mean an IP behind an untrusted proxy?
[15:57:27] <Prom_cat>	TimStarling: IE: Ive got someone vandalising via a proxy that shows XFF headers, Ive got the originating IP (XFF) and ive blocked that, but is it possible to block the IP when its used behind a proxy that shows XFF? (if you know what i mean)
[15:59:20] <Prom_cat>	TimStarling: of course it would ><
[15:59:23] <Prom_cat>	never mind :)
[15:59:39] <TimStarling>	ok...
[16:03:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extension:Emoticons blocks References - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18734  (10eensteen)
[16:08:51] <Sundance_Raphael>	ich habe noch 2 Monate bis entgltig
[16:09:00] <Sundance_Raphael>	geschi mündlich fehelt
[16:10:17] <freakolowsky>	can you nopaste the rules again
[16:10:36] <Sundance_Raphael>	sorry
[16:10:41] <Sundance_Raphael>	wrong hannel
[16:13:34] <CIA-20>	03ialex * r50491 10/trunk/tools/planet/fr/config.ini: Added Ludo's blog
[16:17:13] <uberfuzzy>	what time does roan usualy get online?
[16:33:14] <Traveler>	Hi everyone
[16:33:41] <Traveler>	does anyone have a second to help out a poor lost soul on the road to wikipedia mirroring?
[16:34:01] <OverlordQ>	!ask
[16:34:01] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[16:34:48] <Traveler>	!gethelp
[16:34:48] --mwbot--	Please read http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[16:35:46] <Traveler>	!ask I just imported wikipedia's databse into MW 1.14 and am getting error 1271 on a lot of pages. How do I fix that?
[16:35:46] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[16:36:12] <freakolowsky>	l8r ppl ... off to the shop, so mah kitteh won't be hungry and nom my eyes out at night
[16:37:05] <OverlordQ>	Traveler: probably means you dumped from a database with one charset and imported to one with a different one
[16:37:27] <OverlordQ>	and/or your tables got munged to use different charsets/collations
[16:37:51] <Traveler>	what charset does wikipedia use, do you know? And is it a case for re-import or is there a fix for it?
[16:40:19] <QuestPC>	try xml export-import, it's slower but much more robust from my experience
[16:40:37] <QuestPC>	and you won't be troubled with database tables change
[16:41:38] <QuestPC>	and no problem with charsets, I believe xml dump is always ut8 (correct me if I am wrong)
[16:41:41] <Traveler>	is that importData.php? Doesn't that tend to time-out on large databases like wikipedia?
[16:42:17] <Traveler>	I pulled down the XML dump, then used mwdumper to import it. I think my DB was set to UTF-8 (checking)
[16:42:17] <QuestPC>	Traveler: maybe, I haven't tried it on such large wikies, yet. is it really that bad?
[16:42:33] <Traveler>	it's 6 million pages
[16:42:49] <QuestPC>	6 million, oh that's really too much
[16:42:52] <Traveler>	:)
[16:43:18] <Traveler>	I tried using mwdumper on an old machine, was going to take 27 days. I can't imagine what importDump.php would take.
[16:43:48] <QuestPC>	it's really strange it's that's slow. it shouldn't be that slow.
[16:45:10] <QuestPC>	and why such a large base on a slow machine... bad idea, probably.
[16:45:58] <Traveler>	IT's the machine I had and the database I needed sadly
[16:46:10] <Traveler>	I've moved over to a faster machine now, but get these errors
[16:47:25] <QuestPC>	you probably have to turn on debugging with database logging, but that probably would slow the process down even more.
[16:47:48] <Traveler>	to fix the character error?
[16:48:15] <QuestPC>	1271 is a charset mismatch error?
[16:48:17] <OverlordQ>	enwiki dumps are probably still in latin1 or w/e
[16:48:32] <OverlordQ>	or did you dl the xml dump?
[16:50:02] <Traveler>	I d/l the dump enwiki-20080312-pages-articles
[16:50:11] <Traveler>	and Quest - that's what overlord said...
[16:50:53] <QuestPC>	sorry my wikis are much smaller and xml dumps always were importing fine. my bases are always utf8 and collation is utf8_general_ci
[16:51:11] <QuestPC>	I never tried importing such large dumps.
[16:51:27] <Traveler>	Quest - that's what I had as my base as well, I thought it was pretty standard
[16:52:37] <Splarka>	rar OverlordQ
[16:53:37] <OverlordQ>	I didn't do it, wasn't me, I was out of the country, my twin did it, i was asleep
[16:53:46] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~overlordq/mwbot-logs/%23mediawiki/20090511.txt
[16:53:58] <Splarka>	all valid excuses
[16:54:18] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) API: revision size with list=usercontribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18743  +comment (10brion)
[16:55:11] <OverlordQ>	normal mwbot is back I'll probably delete those unless there's an urgent need to keep it
[16:55:21] <Splarka>	eep
[16:55:27] <Splarka>	well don't delete them
[16:55:32] <Splarka>	can you at least unforbid that one for a bit?
[16:55:40] <Traveler>	So any ideas on how to fix that error - Overlord, should I re-import the dump with a latin charset?
[16:55:59] <OverlordQ>	not a clue, can't say I've ever seen that error before, might be a mwdumper option
[16:56:15] <OverlordQ>	Splarka: should be good now
[16:56:20] <Splarka>	ta
[16:56:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) new option for move: supresssubpagesredirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18769 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[16:57:13] <Traveler>	hmmm, alright Overlord, thanks very much. I really appreciate your time, one of the more friendly and helpful responses I've ever gotten on an IRC help chaN :)
[16:57:20] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: werd lost a month of logs when mwbot2 got deleted by the webhost it was on, very annoying
[16:57:28] <OverlordQ>	ewww
[16:57:39] <OverlordQ>	I accidently ate like
[16:57:49] <OverlordQ>	3 years of IRC logs because I fat-fingered sed
[16:57:54] <Splarka>	heh
[16:58:19] <OverlordQ>	ooh, i just noticed, my IRC online timer is about to roll over
[16:58:35] <OverlordQ>	it's at 19959:22
[17:13:21] <CIA-20>	03dale * r50492 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/includes/HttpFunctions.php: updated error handling on http copy
[17:13:49] <CIA-20>	03dale * r50493 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[17:13:49] <CIA-20>	updated testing page
[17:13:49] <CIA-20>	fixed broken secure json reference
[17:13:49] <CIA-20>	commented out front-loading of future clips while still under development
[17:20:29] <Splarka>	Tim: [[m:Security_for_developers#Cross-site_scripting]] is a good read (also should Sanitizer::escapeClass be mentioned or is the table more a variety of examples rather than a complete listing)
[17:21:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) listing of none protected page with list=allpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18770 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:23:31] <Splarka>	bah, mw: even
[17:24:24] <Splarka>	also (being a php noob) I can't tell if the rest of the page covers the beginner's mistake when creating a <parsertag> extension that minimally modifes the unescaped input and allows arbitrary XML injection (like <script>/<embed>/<iframe>/<blink>)
[17:25:26] <lch>	<blink> ??
[17:26:03] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_element
[17:28:14] <Splarka>	the first time we at Uncyclopedia noticed this bug (whereby you could put any html code into certain tag extensions you wanted) was a little fiasco with either the <marquee> or the <blink> tag, not sure which
[17:29:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) listing of all possible errors which can be thrown by api - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18771 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[17:37:22] <guillom>	Raymond_, ping ?
[17:40:04] <prefrontal_home>	Splarka, you can see what we settled on: http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent   I discovered the  addPortletLink guy and turned the left nav into tabs
[17:40:41] <prefrontal_home>	it actually went over really well, my professor asked me to do it on all of our wikis! :)
[17:40:57] <Splarka>	"the reward for a job well done is three more jobs"
[17:41:08] <prefrontal_home>	lol
[17:43:06] <Splarka>	hmm, so you just hid everything?
[17:43:27] <prefrontal_home>	yes, and added the links we needed from there as portlet links
[17:43:39] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) API: action=help&version shows wrong SVN link for extension modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18731  +comment (10brion)
[17:46:27] <prefrontal_home>	the key thing is that it renders without scrollbars in a very narrow display now
[17:46:53] <prefrontal_home>	although the portlet links are now what cause scrollbars to appear
[17:47:27] <prefrontal_home>	kind of a tradeoff vs the nav bar
[17:47:53] <Splarka>	mhm
[17:48:51] *Splarka 	just leaves his questions at mw:Talk:Security_for_developers
[17:59:34] <DotAWiki|Gara>	Hi everyone, is is possible to move the [edit] button that shows on <h2><h3>... from floating on the right edge of the page to showing right after the <h2>-Text?
[18:01:13] *Splarka 	believes de.wp does that
[18:02:28] <Splarka>	hmmm, maybe not
[18:02:43] <DotAWiki|Gara>	true
[18:02:44] <DotAWiki|Gara>	it does
[18:02:59] <DotAWiki|Gara>	on the standard monobook skin
[18:03:19] <DotAWiki|Gara>	which means it is possible, which in turn leaves me with the "how!
[18:03:20] <DotAWiki|Gara>	"
[18:03:23] <Splarka>	bah, they use javascrip
[18:03:36] <Splarka>	+t
[18:03:55] <Splarka>	no need to do that, should be easy in CSS
[18:04:59] <DotAWiki|Gara>	the weird thing is, i can't detect the position in my css where the .editsection class is told to float right
[18:05:12] <DotAWiki|Gara>	could it be in the common.css?
[18:06:40] <Splarka>	skins/common/shared.css
[18:06:43] <Splarka>	.editsection {
[18:06:44] <Splarka>		float: right;
[18:07:07] <DotAWiki|Gara>	so all I need to do is overwrite that setting in my main.css
[18:07:31] <Splarka>	eep
[18:07:34] <Splarka>	don't edit main.css!
[18:07:37] <Splarka>	!css
[18:07:37] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[18:07:52] <Splarka>	the JS they use is: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js
[18:08:36] <DotAWiki|Gara>	Why not just edit the main? o_O
[18:09:10] <Splarka>	do not edit core files, it makes upgrading harder
[18:09:27] <DotAWiki|Gara>	It's a custom skin, based off monobook
[18:09:34] <Splarka>	ahh, well, then that's okay
[18:10:38] <Splarka>	damn
[18:10:56] <DotAWiki|Gara>	hum, when I set float:left or float:none, it displays the edit button on the left of the caption
[18:10:58] <DotAWiki|Gara>	>.<
[18:11:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: revision size with list=usercontribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18743  (10matthew.britton)
[18:11:10] <Splarka>	can't really move the edit where you want it without moving the span in JS
[18:11:12] <Splarka>	yah
[18:11:27] <Splarka>	unless... heh heh...
[18:11:41] <DotAWiki|Gara>	*gettin scared*
[18:11:49] <DotAWiki|Gara>	spill it :)
[18:13:00] <Splarka>	testing
[18:16:53] <Splarka>	sigh
[18:17:51] <DotAWiki|Gara>	the js it is i guess ^^
[18:19:02] <Splarka>	yah
[18:19:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: revision size with list=usercontribs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18743  (10brion)
[18:20:26] <DotAWiki|Gara>	thanks for helping :)
[18:20:33] <Splarka>	rar
[18:39:56] <CIA-20>	03jan * r50494 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (Poll.i18n.php Poll.php Poll_body.php): 
[18:39:56] <CIA-20>	* Add new messages
[18:39:56] <CIA-20>	* Add $wgSpecialPageGroups
[18:39:56] <CIA-20>	* Add theDB function for create
[19:04:24] <CIA-20>	03demon * r50495 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (Poll.php Poll_body.php): 
[19:04:24] <CIA-20>	* Style fixes: whitespace, indentation, etc
[19:04:24] <CIA-20>	* Remove some un-needed variables and globals
[19:04:24] <CIA-20>	* TODO/FIXME: If $action == 'submit', in the submit() method, $action could never possibly be 'create' as well, so those checks can't happen. Also, don't use $_POST directly, that's what $wgRequest is for.
[19:15:10] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) English doesn't show number of categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18631  +comment (10siebrand)
[19:17:37] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Privileged users should be allowed to see any diffs against deleted edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18068  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[19:26:51] <tanuki>	Does MediaWiki run well on 1&1 Linux hosting?
[19:27:07] <tanuki>	I'm planning on setting up a wiki on one of my domains
[19:29:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Privileged users should be allowed to see any diffs against deleted edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18068  (10FT2.wiki)
[19:31:16] <robos>	hi: i just started a wiki page to keep track of my notes. What i'd like to do is find an example template so i can get started right away then later go back and learn how the templates work. Does anyone have a template i can use?
[19:31:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Privileged users should be allowed to see any diffs against deleted edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18068  (10FT2.wiki)
[19:33:33] <CIA-20>	03nikerabbit * r50496 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/tag/TranslatablePage.php: * Stupid exception
[19:35:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RevDeleted layout misleading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18772 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (FT2.wiki)
[19:39:08] <Splarka>	FT2 catching up to jidanni? heh
[19:42:40] <mangandini>	Hi, I need some help, could some one pls ? :)
[19:43:36] <RoanKattouw>	!ask
[19:43:36] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[19:44:02] <mangandini>	!gethelp
[19:44:02] --mwbot--	Please read http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[19:45:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List possible errors in action=paraminfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18771  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:45:54] <mangandini>	Hi, Im starting a new project with MW, and Im intersted in have an automated cover, and I looking for info, does anybody know where is documented how the cover of WIkimedia is done ?
[19:46:39] <RoanKattouw>	What do you mean by cover? The main page?
[19:46:44] <mangandini>	yes, the main page
[19:48:01] <mangandini>	I saw wikipedia use A LOT of templates :S Im trying to learn the much as I can about templates variables, etc :S
[19:48:38] <mangandini>	but I found wikimedia software a little hard to understand :(
[19:48:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: action=help&version shows wrong SVN link for extension modules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18731  (10roan.kattouw)
[19:49:02] <RoanKattouw>	!templates | mangandini 
[19:49:02] --mwbot--	mangandini: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[19:51:44] <mangandini>	I m actually reading the first link, but I thought thee was a more documented info, or advanced info for templates
[19:52:26] <uberfuzzy>	hey RoanKattouw i had an api question i wanted to run by you before i filed a feature request
[19:53:54] <uberfuzzy>	i was looking at ?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces and i noticed namespaces get flagged for if they have subpages or not, what would it take to add a similar flag if the namespace is marked as content or not via wgContentNamespaces
[19:56:30] <Duesentrieb>	mangandini: probably not for templates in general. what are you looking for?
[19:57:28] <mangandini>	@duesentrieb, Well the Wikipedia has a nice Main Page, Im trying to do the same but I cant find how that was done
[19:58:09] <mangandini>	I understand they use a lot of templates
[19:59:23] <Duesentrieb>	mangandini: yes, but the templates don't make the layout. they just allow you to edit the page without having to look at the nasty layout code.
[19:59:31] <Duesentrieb>	mangandini: the layout is plain old html/css
[19:59:39] <Duesentrieb>	it's just a table with styles
[20:00:01] <Duesentrieb>	the content of the individual fields is taken from templates, for ease of editing
[20:00:31] <mangandini>	oh thank you! thats what I want, an easy way to edit withouth having to look that layout code
[20:00:33] <Duesentrieb>	also, all the daily "features article" and "didi you know" is not magic. it's done by hand.
[20:01:35] <Luxo>	Duesentrieb: I'm looking for a translatewiki table on the toolserver?  ;)  :P
[20:01:39] <mangandini>	@duesentrieb, do you have some info about How to do that ?
[20:02:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevDeleted layout misleading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18772  +comment (10Platonides)
[20:03:29] <Duesentrieb>	Luxo: "a" transwiki table? don't we have them all? i never looked.
[20:03:45] <RoanKattouw>	uberfuzzy: Sure; please file that
[20:03:54] <Duesentrieb>	mangandini: how to do what? i don't really know what to tell you... 
[20:04:08] <Duesentrieb>	mangandini: make a page with a nice layout and dummy text.
[20:04:27] <Duesentrieb>	mangandini: replace the dummy text in each section of the page with a template reference.
[20:04:29] <Duesentrieb>	that'S all.
[20:04:31] <mangandini>	@Duesentrieb, ok maybe Im wrong :S
[20:04:45] <Luxo>	Duesentrieb: no, not "a"  table - "the" table, I think you know which one I like to have ;)
[20:04:47] <mangandini>	ohhh ok
[20:05:26] <Duesentrieb>	Luxo: oh, transLATEwiki table :)
[20:05:46] <Duesentrieb>	Luxo: just, like, make on in your user DB?
[20:07:03] <mangandini>	@Duesentrieb, So I can do a Webpage in XHTML / CSS embedded and copy the whole code to a mediawiki page ?
[20:07:16] <Duesentrieb>	Luxo: as to populating it and keeping it in sync, talk to nikerabbit.
[20:07:18] <Luxo>	Duesentrieb: yeah, but I like self-updated tables ;) But I don't have stress..
[20:07:31] <Luxo>	hmm
[20:08:02] <Duesentrieb>	mangandini: yes, most (x)html is supported in wikitext. all the formatting/layout stuff, anyway.
[20:08:14] <Duesentrieb>	mangandini: including class and style.
[20:08:43] <Duesentrieb>	not supported is: <a>, <img>, all form stuff, all meta stuff, <object>, <embed>... you get the picture.
[20:09:11] <mangandini>	that is so neat! , I understand now :D
[20:09:17] <Duesentrieb>	Luxo: the idea is that translatewiki would dump a flat TSV file, and we would have a cron job on the TS to import that.
[20:10:31] <Duesentrieb>	Luxo: the main problem is setting up individual tools on translatewiki, and getting the initial message in there. for that, the tool has to use one of the supported file based formats for messages. the translatewiki can load from svn.
[20:11:07] <Duesentrieb>	Luxo: aks about it on #mediawiki-i18n - Nikerabbit actually asked me who was woking on it, and i pointed him to you. you two should get together on this :)
[20:12:32] <Luxo>	ok I will look with him. Thanks :)
[20:13:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) add content flag to prop=namespaces in siteinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18773 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (c.stafford)
[20:13:35] <Duesentrieb>	Luxo: i'm happy to coordinate, plan and brainstorm, or set up the occasional table or cron job. i just don'Ät havbe time to write code for this.
[20:14:23] <Duesentrieb>	Luxo: btw, Tom Maaswinkel is working on something similar for mediawiki. may be good to get in touch.
[20:15:23] <Duesentrieb>	(aka thedevilonline)
[20:15:43] <Luxo>	ok. I see, that's a big project ;)
[20:26:50] <tanuki>	Can someone suggest a good web host that allows multiple domains and shell access?
[20:27:13] <tanuki>	(and, obviously, runs MediaWiki)
[20:27:19] <TrevorParscal>	SliceHost / Linode ?
[20:28:26] <tanuki>	TrevorParscal: Hrm. Expensive, but...
[20:28:48] <Marybelle>	Joyent is pretty good.
[20:29:29] <tanuki>	they do hosting?
[20:30:09] <mangandini>	GeekStorage is a reliable host http://is.gd/wE1f
[20:30:19] <Marybelle>	Joyent does, yeah.
[20:30:37] <mangandini>	joyent is a bit expensive, i think
[20:30:47] <Marybelle>	Though if you know what you're doing, a VPS is best.
[20:33:15] <tanuki>	1&1 isn't exactly 'good', and Servage doesn't do shell... but those are my primary options
[20:33:33] <OverlordQ>	NFS?
[20:33:42] <tanuki>	Eh?
[20:34:06] <OverlordQ>	https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/
[20:38:22] <tanuki>	Hrm. NFS seems... intriguing.
[20:38:29] <tanuki>	The only downside I can see is the lack of email.
[20:38:58] <mangandini>	Dreamhost is cheap as bad, but is an option just for start
[20:39:03] <mangandini>	a project
[20:39:03] <tanuki>	never mind
[20:39:13] <tanuki>	apparently they do have catchall email
[20:39:29] <mangandini>	I have an account in Geekstorage, they use Litespeed instead of Apache ;)
[20:39:40] <tanuki>	I figure NFS is a good place to start... if my project gets huge (and I hope it does) I can switch
[20:41:12] <tanuki>	... though the lack of Ruby could be an issue.
[20:41:19] <tanuki>	Well, Rails.
[20:42:26] <FunPika>	then you might want to go with a VPS such as Linode, since you can get full root and install just about anything you want on it (including PHP, ruby on rails, etc.) 
[20:43:32] <Marybelle>	tanuki: 1and1 is not fun.
[20:43:37] <Marybelle>	Command-line PHP is 4, not 5.
[20:43:46] <Marybelle>	And SVN is not fun to get working.
[20:43:48] <mangandini>	1&1 =  very bad customer service
[20:43:53] <tanuki>	so I've heard
[20:44:00] <tanuki>	my coworker seems content with it though
[20:44:25] <tanuki>	the upside is you get a metric f***-ton of space and transfer for cheap
[20:44:40] <Marybelle>	Well, for a single site it's decent. But, for example, to update it requires re-running the installer each time.
[20:44:43] <Marybelle>	Rather than running update.php.
[20:44:45] <Marybelle>	Right.
[20:44:49] <Marybelle>	But you could get that from a VPS on Leaseweb too. Doesn't include domains, though.
[20:45:11] <tanuki>	How much is Leaseweb hosting?
[20:45:23] <tanuki>	I'm pulling up their website
[20:45:30] <tanuki>	:-/
[20:46:42] <Marybelle>	Not really cheap.
[20:46:47] <Marybelle>	Esp. as it doesn't include domains.
[20:46:57] <Marybelle>	But you wouldn't have bandwidth / space issues.
[20:54:21] *FunPika 	looks at Leaseweb's plans and can tell they are crap...
[20:55:29] <CIA-20>	03mark * r50497 10/trunk/debs/wikimedia-task-appserver/ (debian/changelog debian/control debian/links sync-common): 
[20:55:29] <CIA-20>	wikimedia-task-appserver (1.35) hardy; urgency=low
[20:55:29] <CIA-20>	* Add missing dependencies on nfs-common and make
[20:55:29] <CIA-20>	* Remove symlinks to /home
[20:55:29] <CIA-20>	* Create directory /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5 in sync-common
[20:57:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Tag filtering interface wastes lots of space - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18774 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Recent changes; (mikelifeguard)
[20:57:54] <CIA-20>	03daniel * r50498 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/pom.xml: depend on dbunit
[21:09:02] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Allow not asking users their gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[21:14:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow not asking users their gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761  +comment (10public)
[21:30:57] <CIA-20>	03dale * r50499 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler_body.php: fixed lack of controls for audio element (gave it a height of 35px)
[21:31:21] *Marybelle 	kicks wikibugs.
[22:16:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow not asking users their gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761  (10innocentkiller)
[22:23:54] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Don't remove whitespace before [[Category:...]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8381  +comment (10jidanni)
[22:24:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spaces before [[Category:]] link are ignored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17988  +comment (10jidanni)
[22:25:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search tab tool-tops are corrupted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18535  (10brion)
[22:27:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow not asking users their gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:41:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow not asking users their gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761  (10jidanni)
[22:46:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow not asking users their gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761  (10jidanni)
[23:16:30] *Emufarmers 	stabs brion for reverting r39608
[23:20:05] <TrevorParscal>	title->getNamespaceKey is documented in a way that leads me to believe it's only used by monobook - this seems strange... why would that be in the core?
[23:23:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Privileged users should be allowed to see any diffs against deleted edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18068  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:24:41] <ekimmargni>	Reedy is a party-pooper :P
[23:24:52] <Reedy>	ekimmargni, you're an imposter :P
[23:25:03] *ekimmargni 	is?! O.O
[23:28:22] <CIA-20>	03dale * r50500 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[23:28:22] <CIA-20>	* support for startOffset (logical playhead for oggz_chop streams)
[23:28:22] <CIA-20>	** tested on vlc & native
[23:28:22] <CIA-20>	* improved upload handling
[23:30:47] <CIA-20>	03dale * r50501 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[23:30:47] <CIA-20>	* supports redirects as configured by $wgMaxRedirects
[23:30:47] <CIA-20>	* better & earlier error reporting for uploadFromURL
[23:30:47] <CIA-20>	* some new http error msgs
[23:34:25] <snarfwrk2>	Does anyone know of an extension to allow realtime text formatting like bold, headlines, etc instead of using the wiki markup by default?
[23:36:17] <werdna>	!wysiwyg
[23:36:17] --mwbot--	What You See Is What You Get editors allow you to create articles and see the text formatting without needing to Show Preview. A list of wysiwyg editor extensions may be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:WYSIWYG_extensions>. For some discussion, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor>. See also <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usability>.
[23:37:35] <snarfwrk2>	Cool, i couln't find a wysiwyg in the extensions list on the mediawiki site.. thanks
[23:46:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add support for JPEG 2000 images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11871  (10gtisza)
[23:49:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow different levels of hiding with wpHideUser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18724  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:52:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow different levels of hiding with wpHideUser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18724  +comment (10mikelifeguard)