[00:00:16] Anyone know what wgIsArticle tells you, exactly? [00:07:14] 03(mod) Allow different levels of hiding with wpHideUser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18724 (10JSchulz_4587) [00:15:58] 03(mod) Please enable transwiki-imports to English Wiktionary from other Wiktionaries. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18519 (10brion) [00:20:33] 03dale * r50502 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (5 files in 2 dirs): java cortado updates [00:25:11] <[Soap]> hi [00:25:33] <[Soap]> you know how on Wikipedia, if someone types something on your talk page, it gives you an alert message? Does anyone know if that is universal on MediaWiki-based wikis? [00:27:38] as far as i've seen [00:27:41] might be disableable [00:28:00] [Soap]: it's universal, and not disable-able as far as I know [00:28:07] <[Soap]> yay [00:28:09] <[Soap]> thanks [00:28:16] it's the user_newtalk field in the user table [00:29:03] ekimmargni: sorry for delayed reply, but I've never heard if $wgIsArticle [00:29:22] there is a wgArticle variable that holds article-related data for the currently-viewed page [00:29:38] can you perhaps link to an example? [00:30:42] it's a js variable in the page source [00:30:50] ah [00:31:33] it's true whenever the current page is an article (aka *not* a talk page or a special page) [00:36:23] except my user talk page is wgIsArticle == true [00:36:39] hmm [00:37:03] oh [00:38:16] lemme check the code, actually :) [00:44:54] ekimmargni: judging from the code, it appears that wgIsArticle basically tells you if the page is a special page or not... [00:45:40] is that supposed to be useful? :P [00:57:51] 03(mod) Add support for JPEG 2000 images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11871 (10brion) [01:28:25] 04(REOPENED) Allow not asking users their gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761 +comment (10public) [01:32:03] Rawr. [02:09:26] hi all [02:09:51] are there any extension for "Virtual Tours" through articles? thank you [02:20:36] 03(mod) Tracking category for __NOINDEX__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16979 +comment (10carlin-public) [02:36:57] morning tim [02:37:28] TimStarling: rather [02:37:54] 03(mod) Allow not asking users their gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761 (10jeff) [02:41:43] morning [02:52:04] 03tomasz * r50503 10/trunk/backup/worker.py: Adding try block to not explode when there is a template error [02:56:51] 03(mod) Parser Cache's {{SERVER}} becomes "localhost" with maintenance scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18274 (10jidanni) [02:57:33] 03(WONTFIX) Other Input for arraymaps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16780 +comment (10yaron57) [03:24:44] What file holds the tag? [03:26:36] skins/MonoBook.php -> data['body_ondblclick']) { ?> ondblclick="text('body_ondblclick') ?>"data['body_onload']) { ?> onload="text('body_onload') ?>" class="mediawiki text('dir') ?> text('pageclass') ?> text('skinnameclass') ?>"> [03:26:53] Thanks [03:26:59] If only I could check out... [03:27:00] ewww [03:27:04] that is so horrible [03:27:10] sofixit [03:27:24] Trevor's doing it [03:27:28] sofixhim [03:27:47] I'll fix your face in a second [03:27:59] Face/off! [03:42:44] Has anyone ever said that the mediawiki codebase sucks? [03:49:13] http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=mediawiki.*sucks [03:50:24] mwbot is back. Nice. :-) [03:51:11] Emachman: we try [03:51:15] *Emachman wants to make a new title class from a page title and a namespace number [03:51:34] *Marybelle wants more cowbell. [03:51:58] :D [03:53:11] http://www.quirksmode.org/css/multipleclasses.html [03:53:58] IE6-- fails, but you can just body.pagename.namespace in most anything else [03:55:51] He's talking about PHP, no? [03:56:15] ahh, whateva [03:56:22] Hey Autocracy. [03:56:27] hi hi [03:56:38] anybody w/ commit access feel like staring down a 2 hunk patch? [03:56:52] Emachman can. :-) [03:57:05] Though I saw the patch. The whole bug is controversial now. [03:57:41] what is it? [03:57:48] I think the whole thing is silly, but it was an easy coding job [03:58:12] And it defaults to exactly what we had, so who cares? [03:58:15] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761 werdna. [03:58:16] you have to tell us where the patch is if you want it reviewed [03:58:30] werdna: ^^^^ [03:59:10] I agree with what was said on the bug -- it should be done generically [03:59:46] werdna: Any chance I could sucker you into implementing the prefs rewrite? :-) [03:59:53] +it [04:00:03] dude, I just did the prefs rewrite. [04:00:12] I spent a whole dasmn month on it [04:00:29] Yes, yes. [04:00:38] Ah well. [04:00:53] ?? [04:01:02] I'm confused now, surely you knew that [04:01:31] I was asking if you could do it. You said you've finished with that project. [04:01:36] I said "ahh, well." [04:01:42] well, they have their patch at least, so the taiwanese transgenders can be genderless and happy [04:01:49] Now it'll sit in Bugzilla till I find someone. [04:02:19] I think the preference should be hidden unless you set a language that uses it. [04:02:24] does tstarling wake up about this hour? i want to ask him about his dump rewrite [04:02:30] If your language is set to English, there's no reason to see the preference at all. [04:02:40] oh I thought that site was for taiwan itself, which is transgender. [04:02:45] Yes, TimStarling is awake. [04:02:47] Autocracy: he's TimStarling, just ask the question. [04:02:59] and it was tomasz who rewrote dumps, not tim. [04:03:01] *Autocracy is just falling asleep and making stupid mistakes [04:03:06] as far as I know, anywway. [04:03:11] werdna: thought TimStarling was redoing them now, though? [04:03:22] no, tomasz [04:03:25] Tim's been doing compression work. [04:04:00] oh, well that interests me too, actually... [04:04:12] maybe that's where my wires are crossed that the moment [04:04:19] it's a long week and a late night of it [04:04:38] haven't haunted #mediawiki in like a year either [04:04:57] TimStarling: is there a coordination point for your compression work / blog / updates / roadmap? [04:05:36] no [04:05:46] I didn't think it was that exciting, it's completely invisible to the user [04:05:49] It's entirely internal work, done entirely by one person [04:06:08] You could write a blog post about it. :-) [04:06:31] I think the blog is supposed to be used for user-facing stuff :) [04:06:37] If it's a one-man job, I"m betting he rather not spend the time to tell me what he's doing :P [04:06:43] I meant Tim's personal blog. :P [04:07:09] Autocracy: Eh, putting the info out there has a number of benefits. [04:07:13] Autocracy: well, if you have a specific question, I'll bet Tim will answer it [04:07:33] but you have to ask a specific question, rather than just asking for information. [04:07:57] yeah, i'm sort of at the "architectural overview" bit... which is usually called "broad" [04:08:48] to get started, look at the history compression blob classes, recompressTracked.php, trackBlobs.php (in the mintenance directory) [04:08:50] it's mostly the same as the old system [04:09:37] we get a collection of consecutive revisions from a given page, compress them together taking advantage of their similarities, and store the lot of them in a single blob [04:09:52] maybe 50 revisions [04:10:11] so, reverse diff, mostly a coding / time issue, no need for any other warm bodies [04:10:30] access is done by finding the right blob, decompressing it, and extracting the relevant text [04:10:46] what do you mean? (Autocracy) [04:11:11] previously it was just gzip, which has some algorithmic similarities with a diff algorithm, the problem was the small dictionary size [04:11:22] so now it's diff and then gzip [04:11:26] werdna: fishing to see if there's a common ground between what interests me and what needs people to work on it [04:12:49] The work that remains is the system administration time involved in recompressing over a billion revisions without bringing down the site [04:14:13] curious: is it possible for the diff to take up more space than the full revision, in the case of say page blanking or redirect creation? [04:14:44] no [04:14:58] it's not a unified diff with three lines of context, that would be a bit silly [04:15:09] heh [04:15:16] it's a binary diff, it doesn't contain information about the previous revision, so the biggest it can be is the size of the next revision [04:15:18] how long are the api cookies good for. forever? [04:15:50] you don't need context for diffs that are guaranteed to apply cleanly [04:15:53] there's some special case code to avoid duplicating the text in the case of page blanking [04:15:57] how often should you relogin to the api? [04:16:09] prefrontal: 30 days, I think [04:16:11] not entirely sure [04:16:19] the short answer: Whenever you find that you aren't logged-in [04:17:24] looks like we're on the big end. [04:17:31] that's what she said [04:17:33] ah, everybody's back [04:17:45] hmm, more left than have returned... [04:17:54] ... until now, heh [04:18:02] here's the function we use for compression: http://au2.php.net/manual/en/function.xdiff-string-rabdiff.php [04:18:24] for decompression (patching), I ported the relevant code to PHP so that we don't have a dependency on the library for data access [04:18:34] it was only 15 lines or so [04:20:26] well, i wrote a tiny patch, cleared up my vm, installed mediawiki, and stayed up kinda late. i think i'll call it a good day. 'night [04:20:50] night [04:22:14] what would be the best way to setup a namespace that only logged in users could edit it? [04:22:30] !wg NamespaceProtection [04:22:30] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceProtection [04:23:04] aye, i have that part [04:23:36] any 'good' way to do it other then assigning a dummy right to user, and using that right for the namespace protection? [04:24:01] That's the recommended way to do it. [04:25:00] hmm, why doesnt user have some sort of dummy right for this kind of thing already, that * doesnt have [04:25:25] they probably do [04:25:59] *Splarka rars at uber [04:26:06] move seems to be a good candidate [04:26:20] as do upload and purge [04:26:31] *uberfuzzy rars back [04:26:37] but really you should add your own right [04:26:44] yeah, i know i should [04:27:33] I'm going to sleep or something [04:27:41] had to wake up before 8 to get up to titusville [04:29:25] I have to get up at 8:30 tomorrow. :-( [04:42:03] i just discovered mibbet http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Mibbit [04:42:07] so much better than pjirc [04:42:22] and it works inside of a QWebView (Qt WebKit) [04:43:01] it'd be very useful to people if the foundation was running this extension [04:43:14] invite the world into irc..:) [04:45:24] it wouldn't hurt these rooms to grow. ubuntu has > 1500 [04:45:52] the level of technical expertise in there can be a bit spotty tho.. [04:46:53] http://docs.fckeditor.net/FCKeditor_2.x/Developers_Guide/Integration/PHP doesnt work with wiki 1.14 [04:47:27] somehow I don't think inviting people who don't know how to install an irc client will improve the technical expertise level in here [04:47:49] i have to agree [04:48:04] yes but that is just one dimension that you can optimize. helping people get support in another [04:48:15] ultimately it's just more bot commands on your part [04:49:09] *is another [04:49:52] im trying to setup an external editor with mediawiki and having lots of issues. i even created new files there were missing. ( parseroptions.php parser.php ) but still no luck. any ideas ? [04:50:58] i don't think that FCKeditor is technically an external editor [04:51:09] well.. i have to agree, [04:51:13] but, what you should do is grab a version of mediawiki that is less than two months old [04:51:16] but how to make it work ? [04:51:17] and get the latest FCKeditor [04:51:30] thats what i did [04:51:39] everything is fresh install [04:51:53] you should grab the subversion trunk [04:52:00] of the wiki ? [04:52:02] that's what i'm using, and i've got FCKeditor working now [04:52:16] it was broken until 2 months ago [04:52:28] what wiki version do you have ? [04:52:49] you don't know what subversion is i suppose [04:53:30] read up. you did not say if you were referring to FCKeditor svn or wiki [04:53:37] thats why i ask [04:53:45] here it is: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN [04:53:51] thank you [04:53:51] oh, i use svn of both [04:53:57] there you go. [04:54:04] now we are synced [04:56:33] im getting phase3 [05:00:17] prefrontal just to confirm: is 1.16alpha the one that you are using ? [05:04:13] yes [05:13:23] great doenst install. keeps complainging about the user/pass. i even created a new one [05:13:45] oh [05:13:47] done. [05:13:53] blank space :P [05:14:06] in the username or password? [05:14:26] at the end [05:14:31] username [05:15:06] made a note [05:16:06] it's pretty rare that usernames legitimately have a space at the end [05:26:43] same error : xtensions/FCKeditor/FCKeditor.php on line 48 [05:30:14] 1h wasted. thanks for the help guys [05:31:01] ParserOptions.php is still required by FCKeditor.php [05:32:48] I regularly waste far more than an hour in here. [05:33:08] i have been all night around this :( [05:38:36] are there in extensions to edit smtp email settings ? [05:39:42] i kinda need something like a webadmin to allow users to edit settings who done have ssh access [06:10:36] 03(mod) Excessively large offset specified in {{#time:}} causes timeout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14898 +comment (10tstarling) [06:16:08] 03tstarling * r50505 10/trunk/php/wmerrors/wmerrors.c: Fix for PHP 5.3: error_handling global moved from PG() to EG(). [06:38:12] 03thomasv * r50504 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: minor : adjusting height of textbox and margins [06:56:19] 03tstarling * r50506 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php: [06:56:19] * Fix for PHP 5.3: use the timezone parameter to DateTime::__construct() instead of applying setTimeZone() afterwards. This avoids an exception being thrown when the timezone is not set in php.ini. [06:56:19] * Tweaked formatting [06:57:25] 03(mod) NomCom wiki listed in wrong section of SiteMatrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16077 (10hippytrail) [06:57:55] 03(mod) SitenMatrix should not list NomCom wiki as another Wikipedia. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17969 +comment (10hippytrail) [06:58:57] 14(DUP) SitenMatrix should not list NomCom wiki as another Wikipedia. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17969 +comment (10public) [06:59:00] 03(mod) NomCom wiki listed in wrong section of SiteMatrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16077 +comment (10public) [06:59:54] where can i get a ircbot. [07:00:01] any one know [07:00:06] Google around for one. [07:00:27] i find some,but fail to work here [07:29:48] 03nikerabbit * r50507 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (TranslateEditAddons.php tag/TPParse.php): * Small bugfixes [08:22:57] who has broken: $wgHooks['EventName'][] = array('someFunction', $someData); [08:23:02] that does not work [08:23:25] oh [08:23:27] it does! thank you [08:30:16] 03purodha * r50508 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: [08:30:16] Typing error removed from Engish message, tx to Helix84 at [08:30:16] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Support&oldid=1215970#Errors_in_original_strings [08:35:52] good hmmm ... before-noon?? to all [08:37:48] 03thomasv * r50509 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: always create the button; use display:none if we want to hide it [09:03:19] Hello, is it possible to hide the edit buttons for sections on the right side? I work with templates, and when u use edit on the right side, you edit the template. Every day i have to undo changes by visitors [09:09:03] hi,all.any kind humanbeing will do me a favor. [09:09:32] 03(mod) Tracking category for __NOINDEX__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16979 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [09:09:36] i need send a letter from abroad to china [09:10:17] there was a rich boy,fly his car and killed a good young man. [09:12:55] but his family is make use of the powerful power they own to To evade legal punishment [09:14:11] i need avoided from the govenments restriction.and told the truth to more people [09:14:47] any guy would help me.thank you very much [09:43:00] 03jojo * r50510 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/collection/popup.js: fix potential JS error [09:43:53] 03jojo * r50511 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.hooks.php): removed double escaping, and thus the need to unescape URL params [09:44:26] 03nikerabbit * r50512 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (11 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) [09:44:26] * Do not prepend fuzzy mark if no translation [09:44:26] * Fixed some call-time pass by references [09:44:26] * Backwards compatibility to 1.14 [09:44:26] * Fix marking for translation when marking would create a new revision [09:44:27] * Schema updates was broken, it is not possible to add tags because the databases are not created at that time yet. Made an ugly hack to add them on next request. [09:44:32] * Fixed some hooks to check $wgTranslateMessageNamespaces to avoid checks for groups [09:47:21] o_O [09:47:29] what? [09:47:57] nothing, caught off guard by the multiline msg [09:48:29] to me they mean something new and exciting is happening :) [09:49:13] ;) [09:59:42] 03(mod) Other Input for arraymaps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16780 +comment (10dasch_87) [10:04:26] 03(mod) Tracking category for __NOINDEX__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16979 (10carlin-public) [10:18:57] 03daniel * r50513 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (5 files in 3 dirs): food & stubs [11:42:26] Hi! You're killing me checking the file MIME type and then returning 'application/zip' for zip archive and then not allowing to upload it to end user because "Internet Explorer won't allow to download it". $wgVerifyMimeType = false; starting IE7, adding the sime to the list of trusted sites, zip downloads fine. Why such an efforts to block zip.. [11:42:46] sime=site [11:43:01] Because .jar files are also application/zip , I believe [11:43:25] I believe the short version was that all kind of evilness can get through if you allow application/zip [11:43:31] RoanKattouw - so what, they won't run with zip file extension [11:43:40] I know [11:44:01] But you could probably rename them ... I don't know exactly, not an expert on that [11:44:16] I've changed mime type to application/x-gzip, now they were refused by FF [11:47:13] with application/x-gzip uploaded (bypassing the check) successfully, but can't download in FF. [11:52:08] hi - I wonder whether the Article -> getContributors() method is already known to be buggy in MediaWiki 1.14? I could not find a related bug, but still I'm unsure on whether I am missing something here. The problem is, that it does not return an array of users, as it should, but an array which contains the DB-query result. [11:53:03] vickie_KC: 00717 return new UserArrayFromResult( $res ); [11:53:20] Looks good to me [11:53:22] yes. this is the method which is called in the Article.php code [11:53:37] this version returns just the db-query result in an array with one field [11:53:53] when I replace this line by the lines from Article.php from MW 1.12, I get the correct result, an array of users. [11:55:26] vickie_KC: It doesn't return an array of users, it's not supposed to; it returns a UserArray object, which is also iterable [11:55:33] You can call foreach() on it etc. [11:56:07] Also, the fact that it should return an array of users isn't mentioned anywhere [11:56:31] ok, give me a second. [11:56:47] RoanKattouw: seen at translatewiki a few minutes ago: [13:39] [12-May-2009 11:39:25] PHP Strict Standards: Only variables should be passed by reference in /var/www/w/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php on line 215 [11:56:51] thanks in the meantime. - i just need to check sth. [11:57:06] Raymond_: Will take a look [11:57:14] thanks :) [11:59:06] anyone saw such error before: Catchable fatal error: Argument 1 passed to SkinMonoBook::initPage() must be an instance of OutputPage, instance of StubObject given, called in /var/www/wiki/includes/RawPage.php on line 151 and defined in /var/www/wiki/skins/MonoBook.php on line 23
? [11:59:15] Ouch [12:13:47] hi, im looking for a mediawiki wordcounter that can count words while im typing in the preview area [12:14:18] is there already an extention like this? [12:28:35] RoanKattouw, thanks for your suggestion, but I get the following problem: $article is of type Article, then I call $authors = $article -> getContributors(). When I try to loop over the result, I get the following error msg: Cannot use object of type UserArrayFromResult as array [12:31:52] 03(mod) Provide SSL/HTTPS interface to upload.wikimedia.org and use it for SSL-served pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16822 +comment (10bugreporter) [12:34:33] @getContributors: maybe I'm using it wrongly, but if in the history I see two users (different than the one with whom I am currently logged in) that have edited the current page, I call getContributors and count(...) on the result, I would expect the answer to be 2, right? [12:53:14] 03(mod) Allow not asking users their gender - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761 +comment (10bugzilla) [13:02:53] Thanks for your help! Fyi, the problem was: I called count(UserArrayFromResult) which always outputs 1, instead of UserArrayFromResult->count(), which outputs the correct number of contributors. [13:23:27] 03(mod) Mark bot edits in histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11181 +comment (10happy-melon) [13:31:48] Given the choice between 1&1, GoDaddy, and Dreamhost, which would you recommend? [13:37:00] tanuki: I use Dreamhost's "easy" Mediawiki feature. It's rather limited, but I like it for small closed Mediawiki sites -- which aren't proper wikis. [13:37:43] I haven't tried the other two. [13:41:14] http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Mediawiki [13:44:05] 03tstarling * r50515 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/addwiki.php: Quick hack to allow creation of blobs tables with names other than "blobs" [13:48:24] 03(FIXED) Please enable transwiki-imports to English Wiktionary from other Wiktionaries. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18519 +comment (10rhalsell) [13:48:57] merriam: limited how? [13:52:12] tanuki: the "easy one-click" feature I use is limited, in that you can't modify the Mediawiki installation yourself, and it seems you can't get access logs. [13:52:19] 03(mod) Please enable transwiki-imports to English Wiktionary from other Wiktionaries. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18519 (10ran.arigur) [13:52:35] I'm using it because it's managed by Dreamhost. They update it for you. [13:53:06] You can install Mediawiki the usual way, and have full control, of course. [13:53:27] Hrm. [13:53:35] hello [13:53:36] someone just pointed me to HostGator... [13:54:12] tanuki: what sort of site are you planning? [13:54:58] merriam: Two of them, actually. One is a standard Wordpress blog plus a few things (my personal site), the other is going to be an attempt to catalog fundamentalist idiocy [13:55:19] along the lines of http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/ [13:55:41] I do have the domains already [13:55:57] the fundie index will be at someoneiswrongontheinter.net [13:57:19] something like this one? http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page [13:57:53] Close, but a bit more limited [13:58:17] gonna focus more on mined quotes (for instance, the Darwin eye quote) [14:01:10] A simple Mediawiki installation on a cheap basic service is vulnerable to slashdotting. I suppose you know how to deal with that. [14:01:34] It's too much work for me. I would go for static serving of public pages. [14:01:50] especially controversial ones [14:15:29] 03catrope * r50516 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php: Fix E_STRICT reported on Translatewiki.net [14:22:00] tanuki: there was a bit of talk here about hosting last month. http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090418.txt [14:28:22] 03(NEW) Redirect preview rendering stops prematurely, hides categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18775 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (greenreaper) [14:45:06] im looking for a word counter plugin that can count the words while typing [14:45:12] in the preview area [14:45:46] I don't believe that exists, but it should be trivial to write as a Javascript gadget [14:51:08] hmm im not very good at javascript though, but i might give it a try [14:51:40] one more thing, i have a page called history and i want it in the sidebar to appear as History but it shows up as Page_history [14:51:57] i wrote ":History| History" [14:54:59] @ RoanKattouw [14:55:09] do you have anyidea [15:00:26] 03dale * r50517 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/includes/api/ApiUpload.php: typo [15:02:49] 03daniel * r50518 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/analyzer/WikiTextAnalyzer.java: nicer debug output for analyzer [15:13:31] Hi [15:59:39] 03ialex * r50519 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (OpenID.hooks.php OpenID.i18n.php OpenID.setup.php): Updated OpenID to use the new preferences system [16:01:19] 03ialex * r50520 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Oops, update Translate per r50519 [16:22:12] what are your favorite mediawiki extensions?!!? [16:29:25] domas: why do you ask this? :) [16:31:27] Semantic MediaWiki obviously [16:31:38] semantic makes the intarwebz a better place [16:31:39] domas: AskSql [16:32:25] My host does not have fastcgi or eaccelerator installed for their Windows packages and has no plans to install them in the future. What else can I do to increase the speed of my Wiki? [16:32:58] change to a host that doesn't suck [16:34:02] ha, that was my first thought, anything else... [16:34:40] 03(mod) Enable the Collection extension for creating books on the Alemannic Wikipedia [alswiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18517 (10brion) [16:34:41] mornin all [16:35:43] 03(mod) Enable Collection extension on id.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18430 (10brion) [16:35:51] 03(mod) Collection extension on Portuguese Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18367 (10brion) [16:38:46] 03(mod) New logo for Ido Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18658 (10brion) [16:40:04] 03(mod) Logo change for mk.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18652 (10brion) [16:40:16] 03(mod) Create Thesaurus namespace on Icelandic Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18643 (10brion) [16:40:58] 03(ASSIGNED) Create Wikimania 2010 website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18740 +comment (10rhalsell) [16:48:59] 03thomasv * r50521 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: fix page numbering for djvu files [16:55:20] 03(mod) Activation of AbuseFilter on nl-wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18615 +comment (10brion) [16:55:33] 03(mod) Please enable transwiki import and upload import to es.wikibooks. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18612 (10brion) [16:55:54] I'm having trouble enabling the action=edit api element. I have $wgEnableWriteAPI = true; but still get the "Unrecognised value for parameter 'action'" error. Am I doing something stupid? [16:56:40] 03(mod) Logo for Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18471 (10brion) [16:56:48] 03(mod) New logo for Ukrainian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18587 (10brion) [16:56:51] 03(mod) Complete migration of all application servers from Fedora to Ubuntu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17452 (10rhalsell) [16:56:57] 03(mod) New logo for Ukrainian Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18358 (10brion) [16:58:32] 03(mod) Usability wiki misses the interwiki set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17518 (10brion) [16:58:37] 03(mod) usabilitywiki should support SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17580 (10brion) [16:58:46] 03(mod) Set up IRC rc feed(s) for usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18137 (10brion) [16:58:55] 03(mod) Stewards have no access to usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18138 (10brion) [16:59:05] 03(mod) Install standard anti-abuse extensions on usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18139 (10brion) [16:59:22] 03(mod) Allow user css/js on usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18294 (10brion) [17:00:55] 03(mod) Tracking category for __NOINDEX__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16979 +comment (10happy-melon) [17:03:34] smells like bug tuesday [17:08:17] 03(mod) Rollback all user edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11712 +comment (10overlordq) [17:08:17] 14(DUP) Feature request - 'revert all' button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17856 +comment (10overlordq) [17:13:16] 03(FIXED) Create Wikimania 2010 website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18740 +comment (10rhalsell) [17:15:05] 03nikerabbit * r50522 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/PageTranslation.i18n.php: * Forgot to remove this message before committing [17:28:52] How can I find out how much bandwidth is being used per month on our wikis (linux/apache) ? [17:29:21] Need to see if its under 3000GB providing by a hosting plan.. we need to save money. [17:29:42] and by moving to cloud/hosting/etc.. [17:33:55] 03jan * r50523 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (Poll.php Poll.sql Poll_body.php): [17:33:55] * Add SQL-File for update.php [17:33:55] * Resolve bugs [17:43:13] 3TB is a lot of bandwith... [17:46:16] 03ialex * r50524 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/Poll.sql: Fix for r50523: update author and extension's name :) [17:48:15] solifugus: how big wiki? [17:50:09] 03tomasz * r50525 10/trunk/backup/worker.py: adding filze size progression [17:50:16] how many hits per day? [18:00:39] 03tomasz * r50526 10/trunk/backup/worker.py: fixing spacing [18:00:58] 03jan * r50527 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/Poll_body.php: Add form for vote [18:03:37] 03jan * r50528 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/Poll.sql: Set licene info in Poll.sql [18:04:19] Nikerabbit: 6 wikis.. sharing same code base.. lots of hits per minute.. [18:04:34] it's a university wiki system... [18:06:02] we have about 1M hits per month real traffic with about 7GB of traffic [18:06:35] 03jan * r50529 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (Poll.php Poll_body.php): Add license to Poll_body.php [18:20:42] 03raymond * r50530 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (19 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-05-12 18:10 UTC) [18:24:27] I have a custom setup for a wikifarm and I want to upgrade to 1.14.0 from 1.12.0 so I need to create a custom upgrade script or try to modify update.php How can I get a list of queries needed to be ran, or, what's the best way to modify update.php? In my scenario $wgDBprefix changes based on the URL/subdomain given which is why this is trickier to upgrade. [18:30:58] 03(mod) Release MediaWiki 1.15 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18629 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [18:33:36] well just have it take an optional parameter to accept a wgDBprefix value then write a bash script to loop through every requisite value [18:34:38] 03nikerabbit * r50531 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/tag/SpecialPageTranslation.php: Significant dot: PHP Notice: Undefined variable: actionText [18:34:49] 03(FIXED) usabilitywiki should support SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17580 +comment (10rhalsell) [18:35:21] 03(ASSIGNED) Stewards have no access to usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18138 +comment (10rhalsell) [18:37:03] 03(ASSIGNED) Collection extension on Portuguese Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18367 +comment (10rhalsell) [18:38:23] 03(ASSIGNED) Enable Collection extension on id.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18430 +comment (10rhalsell) [18:38:57] RobH: Should global rights work on usabilitywiki /right now/ or might there be some delay with dns or something else i don't understand? [18:39:06] (ie they're not as of ~10s ago) [18:39:33] they shoudl be working right now [18:39:55] ekimmargni: they are not functioning right now? [18:39:59] that's right [18:40:18] although I can change rights on usabilitywiki currently (just removed all my bits there) [18:41:05] hrmm [18:41:07] i can change user rights [18:41:11] so its using my staff flag [18:41:23] so what are you doing that I can do to show its not functioning? [18:41:31] Are you sure you're not a 'crat? [18:41:34] *RobH is not as down with some of the mediawiki bits as you guys =] [18:41:41] absolutely [18:41:49] i pulled up my own rights to confirm [18:41:50] no, you're not anything special on usability... [18:42:31] right, but its using global rights because it lets me pull up users on the Special:UserRights on usability wiki [18:42:35] atleast thats what i would think [18:42:47] (i could be wrong about that meaning its using global rights properly) [18:44:06] SUL works as is just let me tie in my gloabal account [18:44:31] RobH: turns out you need to manually unify the usabilitywiki account (which I should have known) [18:44:37] I'll leave a note for others... [18:44:43] & thanks a bunch, eh? [18:45:09] Makes sense.. Even though passwords are the same, i still had to enter mine [18:45:15] (already had an account) [18:45:36] ok, i am working with brion on the global rights thing [18:45:40] they dont act like i thought they did [18:46:12] ekimmargni: did you merge the usability user into your SUL? [18:46:27] if i understand this right, you have to do that before your global rights will work [18:46:38] 03philip * r50532 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables. [18:46:54] 03(FIXED) Stewards have no access to usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18138 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [18:47:35] RobH: yes, exactly [18:47:53] i didnt have that issue because i never had a usability wiki user [18:47:54] ;] [18:48:12] *RobH does most stuff as anon on the projects because he doesnt edit via web [18:48:20] O.o [18:48:26] <- root [18:48:35] everything i do is in a terminal window ;] [18:48:45] RobH, dit via the API ;) [18:48:47] but wouldn't it be easier to use a browser to edit? [18:48:48] *edit [18:48:56] i dont edit [18:49:13] my contribution is on the backend! [18:50:15] that's what I thought [18:50:30] *ekimmargni still prefers to hide the backend.... we have a frontend for a reason :P [18:50:48] although for userrights etc it's not so bad [18:50:59] ekimmargni would rather flash someone than moon them it seems [18:51:25] *ekimmargni flashmoons charitwo O.O [18:51:39] hypocrite, you said you like hiding the backend [18:52:07] Quick question: How can I add an entry to Special:SpecialPages? I just want to add a link to MediaWiki:MultiBoilerPlate, however I'm not sure how. Thanks. [18:52:35] Fumohh: i don't think you can, better to just do it on a project page or the sidebar [18:52:37] Fumohh: erm, Special:SpecialPages is for links to the special pages [18:52:38] 03(mod) Bold/italic markup handled differently depending on leading whitespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18765 summary; +comment (10ssanbeg) [18:52:43] MediaWiki:anything isn't a special page [18:52:54] Gotcha. I'll find another place to put it. Thanks! [18:52:54] 03(FIXED) Enable the Collection extension for creating books on the Alemannic Wikipedia [alswiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18517 +comment (10rhalsell) [18:54:07] 03raymond * r50533 10/trunk/extensions/ (74 files in 67 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-05-12 18:40 UTC) [18:56:06] 03(FIXED) Allow user css/js on usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18294 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [18:56:26] sounds like bug tuesday. [19:04:03] 03(ASSIGNED) Install standard anti-abuse extensions on usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18139 +comment (10rhalsell) [19:06:50] 03(FIXED) Install standard anti-abuse extensions on usabilitywiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18139 (10rhalsell) [19:08:40] 03ialex * r50534 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/SpecialOpenIDLogin.body.php: [19:08:40] * fix E_NOTICE about undefined index in $_SESSION [19:08:40] * fix XHTML error in login form [19:10:56] 04(REOPENED) Create Wikimania 2010 website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18740 +comment (10cbrown1023) [19:11:30] 03(FIXED) Logo change for mk.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18652 +comment (10rhalsell) [19:21:27] 03(mod) Logo change for mk.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18652 (10nikolau.mk) [19:24:25] 03(FIXED) Logo for Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18471 +comment (10rhalsell) [19:25:10] really on a roll there ... [19:26:34] 03(FIXED) New logo for Ukrainian Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18358 +comment (10rhalsell) [19:29:18] 03(FIXED) New logo for Ukrainian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18587 +comment (10rhalsell) [19:40:52] 03(ASSIGNED) Create Wikimania 2010 website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18740 +comment (10rhalsell) [19:41:33] 03(FIXED) New logo for Ido Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18658 +comment (10rhalsell) [19:43:37] 03(FIXED) Enable Collection extension on id.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18430 (10rhalsell) [19:43:52] indeed... [19:43:55] 03(FIXED) Collection extension on Portuguese Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18367 (10rhalsell) [19:51:05] 03ialex * r50535 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/SpecialOpenIDConvert.body.php: Use $wgOpenIDLoginLogoUrl rather than hardcoding the image to "http://www.openid.net/login-bg.gif" [20:10:11] 03(NEW) native name of Burmese in interlanguage links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18776 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (daltack) [20:13:10] 03(mod) Create Wikimania 2010 website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18740 (10cbrown1023) [20:15:08] anyone recall what the wiki was that just got created? [20:16:37] ekimmargni: huh? [20:17:12] Maybe I was hallucinating... I thought Rob just created a new wiki? [20:19:41] ekimmargni: WIkimania 2010? [20:20:21] I guess so [20:31:07] 03(ASSIGNED) native name of Burmese in interlanguage links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18776 (10raimond.spekking) [20:40:59] 03raymond * r50536 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/Names.php): * (bug 18776) Native name of Burmese language (my) [20:41:32] 03(FIXED) native name of Burmese in interlanguage links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18776 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [20:53:06] 03(mod) Tracking category for __NOINDEX__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16979 (10carlin-public) [21:39:14] 03(FIXED) Create Wikimania 2010 website - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18740 +comment (10rhalsell) [21:39:27] hi, my mediawiki site just got flagged with google's anti fishing [21:39:39] however, I don't see anything strange on the page, or in the source code? [21:47:15] brion: did you get my email? [22:10:26] flyingparchment: printing with the modern skin is quite "sub-optimal". I'll try to create a patch tonight to improve that. [22:11:59] modern office = paperless = no printing? [22:13:35] Splarka: :D [22:13:51] Splarka: i'm on a CSS print drive :D [22:19:18] 03(NEW) Always use [[Special:Preferences|{{int:preferences}}]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18777 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni) [22:34:17] 03(NEW) Divulge Bugzilla formatting language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18778 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (jidanni) [22:38:44] 03(mod) Divulge Bugzilla formatting language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18778 (10jidanni) [22:44:51] 14(INVALID) Divulge Bugzilla formatting language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18778 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [22:53:16] 03(mod) Must check $wgEnableEmail before showing ANY email related preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18760 (10jidanni) [22:56:01] 03(mod) Chosen skin should not affect printable version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8463 +comment (10hartman) [22:58:01] Wait, what is 1.16-svn? [22:58:20] it's 1.16 svn [22:58:26] 1.15 release is already branched [23:00:41] 03(mod) commonPrint.css breaks subscripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15886 +comment (10hartman) [23:01:08] 03(mod) Add Portal namespace for arzwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17464 summary (10brion) [23:01:50] 03(WONTFIX) mms protocol as URL on hrwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16566 +comment (10brion) [23:02:57] 03(mod) Change favicon for Wiktionaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16315 (10brion) [23:05:55] 14(INVALID) Unreachable article on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16430 +comment (10brion) [23:07:14] 03(mod) Divulge Bugzilla formatting language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18778 (10jidanni) [23:07:58] 03(mod) Several problems with styles for thumbnails (thumb) in PageCSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16272 +comment (10hartman) [23:08:32] 03(FIXED) Enable RevisionDelete on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15644 +comment (10brion) [23:10:49] 03(WONTFIX) DPLforum extensions for Wikimedia Wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14087 +comment (10brion) [23:11:48] 14(WFM) ISO 8601 date format support in Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12852 +comment (10brion) [23:14:20] 03(WONTFIX) Merge Help namespace into Project in the Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11489 +comment (10brion) [23:14:27] bugs tuesday ! [23:14:54] TrevorParscal: are you usability Trevor ? [23:15:14] Yes [23:15:25] ok, good to know :D [23:15:31] TrevorParscal: I love your mockups on the usability wiki, they're good ideas [23:15:39] i like your suggestions for Search page. [23:15:48] yeah [23:16:11] thanks! [23:16:26] rainman has been working on making the search results improvements a reality [23:16:53] yes i saw that in the logs. [23:16:55] I hope to have some working models on a prototype wiki in the next couple weeks [23:18:00] Uh, oops [23:18:05] TrevorParscal: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/usability/9/93/Design-EditToolbar.pdf [23:18:14] Any idea why that mockup is 404ing? :P [23:18:26] 03(mod) Fix namespace names in the Hungarian localization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11488 +comment (10brion) [23:18:47] great question [23:18:50] They're all 404ing, actually [23:19:01] our wiki was moved this morning into the cluster [23:19:12] I have to do some more work to get it all working again [23:19:18] *TrevorParscal goes and does so [23:19:19] Ah, I see. [23:19:22] TrevorParscal: we really needed someone working on stuff like this. If you have ideas specific to en.wp, then don't hesitate. [23:20:01] cause some of the en.wp specific messages annoy me as well :D [23:20:02] ha... don't say that too loud :) [23:20:09] And the logo of the usability wiki got changed to the default wikipedia logo [23:20:14] yeah, there are some issues which are local problems to en [23:20:14] TrevorParscal: discussion is always good :D [23:20:23] 03(FIXED) Special:ProtectedPages displays "<restriction-level->" as a restriction level - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15832 -shell ; +comment (10brion) [23:20:42] And the prototypes are not working :P [23:20:53] thedj: they pretty much just setup a new wiki and did a db dump [23:21:26] I was doing something else at the time... so now I have to go fix the configurations and install all the extensions... [23:21:27] it's a mess [23:21:28] sorry [23:21:30] 03(mod) Official Korean name for Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16217 (10brion) [23:21:33] TrevorParscal: well i've been pushing for some things on the Village Pump proposals. [23:21:38] hopefully I will have it fixed soon [23:23:13] TrevorParscal: just remember that en.wp is a tough place with a lot of strong opinions, tough talk and a lot of conservatism. [23:23:45] But if you present your ideas with good argumentation, then they usually are much quicker to accept input. [23:24:20] thedj: yes, I am learning this [23:27:05] TrevorParscal: en.wp has already spent 4 years on flagged revisions and it's still not activated. As long as you keep that in mind, you won't be discouraged too quickly :D [23:27:17] 14(WFM) Collections uses the WP:GFDL shortcut - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16250 +comment (10brion) [23:27:44] thedj: yeah things go slow when thousands of people are expected to agree on something [23:27:50] 03(mod) enable $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit for simple.wikiquote.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16254 +comment (10brion) [23:32:12] That's why thousands of people should never be required to agree on anything, if possible. :) [23:32:50] vote early and often, problem solved :-P [23:34:52] TrevorParscal: What's going to happen on the WYSIWYG editor front? Will Wikia's nice WYSIWYG editor be "ported" to run on regular MediaWikis? [23:35:15] I'd be interested to know how much weird fallout there is from WYSIWYG editors in practice. [23:35:29] Unintended changes to the source code, you know. [23:37:16] Simetrical: Yeah, some of the editors tend to really bugger up things by adding a lot of unnecessary breaks, etc [23:37:25] But I think Wikia's newest one is pretty good about that [23:37:38] You could probably mitigate it by not touching lines that weren't changed. [23:38:03] Or better yet, trying to not touch words that weren't changed. [23:38:22] The Wikia WYSIWYG editor doesn't seem to be on by default there, is it? [23:38:25] Or only on some sites? [23:38:53] I wish everyone could be made to use it, then we could just go with straight HTML for storage. But that's not likely to happen. [23:38:57] Painted into a corner. Ugh. [23:39:32] Maybe we could have a per-project choice, use HTML storage or wiki storage. New projects could choose to do HTML storage, and a wiki -> HTML converter could be written. [23:39:39] Doesn't have to roundtrip, then. [23:40:06] But also doesn't help the existing projects unless they're willing to take the plunge. [23:41:51] Simetrical: The editor is not compatible with Safari, and I think it's only on certain sites right now, or else you just have to enable it. [23:42:18] vBulletin's editor doesn't work with Safari either. One of their devs said it's basically because Safari sucks. :) [23:42:29] All these things rely on good browser support for native HTML editing, I think. [23:42:33] I haven't looked into it much. [23:43:40] Considering the fact that Safari (WebKit) conforms to the newest web standards more than any browser I've ever seen, I'm thinking that it's more that their code sucks [23:44:25] *thedj agrees. [23:44:41] *thedj has done quite some Safari work. [23:45:13] meh, wysiwyg and wikicode just seem like round rod and square slot [23:45:31] better to port the preprocessor into javascript and make live syntax hilighting [23:45:31] yeah, there is just no way those will ever compute [23:46:05] Splarka: Well, yeah, porting it to javascript is definitely necessary, or it would kill the server [23:46:55] chuck, thedj: just because it has good overall support doesn't mean it supports every last thing. [23:47:07] Firefox didn't support display: inline-block until 3.0, and that was in CSS2. [23:47:27] It still doesn't support a couple of CSS2.1 things, in fact, I think, or maybe only in 3.5. [23:47:39] Simetrical: yeah but many of these things are based on incorrect assumptions and lack of testing [23:47:41] I don't think the whole contenteditable thing was standardized at all before HTML5, anyway. [23:47:41] Safari is pretty far ahead of its time, I'm pretty sure it would support everything necessary to make a WYSIWYG editor. [23:48:01] Heck, it already supports that new HTML5 database persistence thing [23:48:25] on the other hand, it doesn't support CSS3 columns... [23:48:39] It's one specific interface that's used. IIRC, it was a MS invention that was later reverse-engineered by some other browsers. You can't just make a decent WYSIWYG editor out of generic standards-compliant stuff. [23:48:51] then again, neither does Firefox when you want to print combined with :after... [23:48:52] You'd have to write a metric ton of JS. [23:48:59] thedj: Yeah, it does support CSS3 columns [23:49:08] http://annevankesteren.nl/2005/07/more-contenteditable [23:49:12] That's what's used. [23:49:43] It apparently wasn't standardized until like a couple of years ago. [23:49:52] chuck: depends on how you qualify support. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ACommon.js&diff=289159257&oldid=284132757 [23:50:03] Who says the interfaces used are standard to begin with? [23:50:19] Actually, I'm not sure contenteditable is what's universally used. [23:50:29] By support I mean this works: http://webkit.org/blog/88/css3-multi-column-support/ [23:51:05] No, maybe not . . . [23:51:17] Meh, don't make assumptions unless you've tried it. [23:51:40] vBulletin is pretty professional, if they say it doesn't work in Safari because it doesn't support some necessary features, then I believe them until evidence shows otherwise. [23:51:44] Nothing's perfect. [23:52:01] chuck: sorry, wrong link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Reflist/Safari_testcase [23:55:47] thedj: yikes, that's no good [23:56:41] 03vyznev * r50537 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js: unencode all slashes and colons in importScript(), not just the first one of each [23:58:14] chuck: indeed. basically makes the whole functionality pointless. [23:58:38] Has it been reported to WebKit? [23:59:04] 03dale * r50538 10/branches/script-loader/ (480 files in 61 dirs): [23:59:04] initial import of mv_embed into script-loader branch [23:59:04] * additional mv_embed re-factoring [23:59:04] for initial explanation of js plan see: js2/README [23:59:21] Does it mess up on nightlies? [23:59:34] *Simetrical tries in a recentish Chromium nightly build