[00:00:30] chuck: lag you mean. [00:03:04] 03(mod) Enable Abuse Filter on nl-wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18812 (10mwpnl) [00:06:19] thedj: what? [00:07:58] i don't know, its not that bad here really [00:08:22] although the bullet and disclaimer iamges are somewhat laggy.. [00:08:27] 1.69 seconds.... [00:08:27] Well, it's more than a second for some things, and it's really increasing load times [00:10:26] 03(mod) Enable Abuse Filter on nl-wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18812 +comment (10jeroenvrp) [00:12:50] hmm, seems like a good spot for optimizations. [00:16:42] oh really [00:16:50] did you hit 'refresh'? :) [00:38:20] 03(mod) Integrate SVN and Mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17322 summary (10stvrtg) [00:48:49] domas: actually yes [00:51:41] might be safari 4... [00:51:54] seems to behave somewhat inpredictable. [01:14:22] i am logged in as administrator but when i reach /index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar, I don't have the edit tab does anybody know why is that case ? [01:29:01] 03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384 (10karun) [01:34:09] 03(mod) UserManagement: Anonymous Account not create-/delete-/edit able , but it is visbile in user list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16487 (10karun) [01:44:34] 03(mod) $wgMaxUploadSize doesn't affect normal file uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17941 -easy +upstream; +comment (10karun) [01:48:38] Anyone help? I can't use the schema updater for some reason so I need a list of the new tables and fields added in 1.14 [01:48:58] TheOracle23: re-run the install script? [01:49:10] Hrm [01:49:15] That may work [01:49:16] ty [01:49:26] I'll come back if that doesn't work ;) [01:49:30] you'll have to temporarily rename LocalSettings.php first [01:49:35] yer, I know [01:49:47] I don't have to delete the existing db though right? [01:50:07] no [01:50:11] Ok, thanks [01:50:20] it will detect your db and only update what is needed [02:07:45] hello, i am trying to create a diff for a patch that renames one of the mediawiki files. This is all I get in the diff. Property changes on: maintenance/importImages.inc [02:07:45] ___________________________________________________________________ [02:07:45] Added: svn:mergeinfo [02:07:45] Should i be expecting something more? [02:14:00] 03(mod) Missing tooltip of images (title="" not specified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16912 (10allstarecho) [02:15:31] 03(mod) Enable Abuse Filter on nl-wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18812 +comment (10oscar.wiki) [02:17:34] 03(mod) Use file.inc or file.php, not file.inc.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18698 (10karun) [02:19:39] 03(mod) Use file.inc or file.php, not file.inc.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18698 (10karun) [02:46:54] 03(NEW) Feature request - What links here - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18813 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (ferdemza) [02:52:13] 03(NEW) Preserve or generate a hyphenated ISBN at Book sources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18814 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (ferdemza) [02:53:31] karun: why are you renaming mediawiki files? [02:54:07] p858snake: as part of a patch i am working on for bug #18698 to make them consistent [02:54:57] i was trying to get the rename to be included in the diff file, but that doesnt seem possible [02:54:59] to do with svn [03:24:03] 03(mod) Use file.inc or file.php, not file.inc.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18698 +comment (10tstarling) [03:36:29] 03tstarling * r50650 10/branches/REL1_15/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: [03:36:29] * Dated release [03:36:29] * Tweaked RELEASE-NOTES formatting [03:40:06] 03tstarling * r50651 10/tags/REL1_15_0RC1/: Tagging for release 1.15.0rc1 [04:28:53] 03(mod) Preserve or generate a hyphenated ISBN at Book sources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18814 +comment (10ilatypov) [05:13:01] Hmm, would it be a good idea for the images directory to come with an .htaccess file with "php_admin_flag engine off" in it? [05:18:48] changed the homepage link in the topic from a URL shortener redirect to the actual homepage [05:19:12] people are meant to remember it, not just click on it [05:19:21] and it's not like it's long [05:20:11] one character shorter that way (could be 5 with the www. omitted) [05:20:13] It'd be even shorter if you got rid of the www. :D [05:20:17] o: [05:20:19] *Emufarmers stabs Splarka [05:20:22] missed me [05:20:54] irc topics need revision logs [05:21:09] *Emufarmers checks freenode into SVN [05:21:11] Good luck getting that into the IRC RFC [05:21:28] RFR [05:22:27] Well, we could have a protected page on mw.org, and then have mwbot check it every so often and update the topic if the page has changed [05:22:51] *chuck wonders why it would be protected [05:22:55] or it could just log topic changes [05:22:56] It's not like this channel is +t :P [05:23:03] Yeah, what Splarka said [05:23:16] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot [05:23:35] Or that, yeah :D [05:24:15] http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Mwbot&diff=255358&oldid=208544 [05:25:04] nice! [05:25:31] Splarka: is AmiDaniel still active? [05:25:39] (and even if he is, he's probably not going to check that page) [05:25:58] heh [05:27:07] whoa, #mwbot is really hopping [05:27:20] hobble it [05:27:25] I don't understand about the second person pronouns in the mail that just went out about the release candidate [05:27:58] http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mwbot/20090516.txt [05:28:10] apergos: you wouldn't want the interface calling you by the wrong gender, would you? [05:28:34] are you saying it was unclear? [05:28:34] or just asking me to explain it? [05:28:56] I am saying exactly what I said: I don't understand what is meant. [05:29:08] maybe I need to go look at russian grammar for a little [05:29:22] why wouldn't third person pronouns be a concern for example? [05:29:33] if you say in English "your session has expired, please log in again", then that's gender-neutral [05:29:48] whereas in russian, you need two different versions depending on the gender of "your" [05:30:05] so right now I assume they put /your(1)/your(2) session has expired [05:30:10] or something like that? [05:30:10] "your" being a second-person pronoun [05:30:15] yes [05:30:32] so why is this introduced mostly for second person pronouns [05:30:45] when there a buttload of languages where the third person pronoun is an issue? [05:30:55] that's the part where maybe I'm dense I guess [05:30:59] third person pronouns don't appear in interface text [05:31:25] they appear in discussion pages, but humans write discussion pages and humans have other ways to determine a person's gender [05:31:50] ah it's always "the user".. [05:32:28] and I assume we wouldn't try to dig out the user's specified gender in order to make those sentences correct? [05:32:56] well, it's possible [05:33:14] hmm [05:33:26] that would fall under the category of "future applications" [05:33:29] *apergos goes to look at russian grammar anyways, might as well [05:33:31] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13040 [05:33:37] that might help [05:33:52] anyway, it was never going to be the english language community asking for this feature [05:33:52] thanks [05:33:57] no of course [05:34:14] (I'm reading ths through my greek language lens, naturally :P) [05:37:09] hmm looking at russian it seems to do what greek does more or less [05:37:19] third person is gendered but not second [05:38:06] best to look at polish or nag tomasz :-P [05:39:07] wow 7 cases... nice... [05:39:21] heh they still have duals. [05:39:24] read down the page further [05:39:45] assuming you're on wikipedia [05:40:15] possessive pronouns "my" and "your" are gendered [05:41:20] ah the possessive [05:41:22] s [05:42:08] (I was on wikibooks) [05:42:21] (I know, blashpemy, but that link came up first!) [05:43:09] just refreshing my memory about the history of these features [05:43:57] the push for support of noun cases came from Finnish, fair enough, they have them, English doesn't [05:44:07] turns out a lot of other languages have them too [05:44:10] uh huh [05:44:31] then the support for plurals came from serbian and related languages [05:44:46] and we english speakers were like, oh yeah, plurals, we know them [05:44:51] :-D [05:44:56] we were just writing (s) on the end of everything [05:45:02] yeyah real good [05:45:12] mm, russian plurals are fun [05:45:40] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Polish_pronouns [05:45:56] so it's a bit of history repeated with gender [05:46:21] well it could get used for a lot of stuff [05:46:33] obviously other languages use gender a lot more, but English speakers might have that moment where they realise that they need gender too [05:46:43] I would have killed to have that feature a while back, trying to fix some of the interface translations [05:47:36] but I want it attached to other stuff too like the sitename [05:47:52] *especially* the site name [05:47:59] anyways, one step at a time [05:51:21] !mwbot hi [05:51:21] --mwbot-- Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn [05:51:46] !botspam [05:51:46] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "botspam". [05:52:01] That factoid was deleted. [05:52:15] !german [05:52:15] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "german". [05:52:25] !wikipedia [05:52:25] --mwbot-- A massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) where players can click on the "edit this page" tab at the top of each level and add quips of information. Then, the Wikipedia Game Masters (GMs) check over these "edits" and if they are bad, the player is sent to "WikiJail," where they must appease the god Jimbo in order to escape. However, good "edits" gain the player "contributions", the much sought-after currency of Wikipedia. [05:52:26] !botinfo [05:52:26] --mwbot-- I don't know everything about everything. I am mostly for lazy experienced users to echo quick answers to very common mediawiki questions. Please don't randomly experiment with me for help. Everything I know is at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html and you can visit #mwbot or privately message me. [05:52:31] ^ [05:52:52] it was "!botnoob" but I think Simetrical (?) found that offensive [05:53:00] Ah, yeah. [05:53:04] !chanspam [05:53:04] --mwbot-- You can actually privmsg me too, you know. Also see #mwbot [05:53:14] !wikipedia is good though [05:53:14] --mwbot-- You don't have permission to do that. [05:53:29] heh [05:53:40] I should have just kicked everyone and not bothered with the bot abuse [05:54:32] !gender [05:54:32] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "gender". [05:54:39] !worstcase [05:54:39] --mwbot-- Generally, the worst that can happen is that someone compromises your site, steals your data, deletes it and replaces it with kiddy porn. Then they start a spam service on your server advertizing the kiddy porn to twenty million email addresses, daily. Then your home gets raided, you get fired and your wife leaves you. [05:54:47] no, really [05:55:01] I like that fact. [05:55:16] Is there a way to see who added/modified a fact? [05:55:31] I've already read them all, I don't need them flooding the channel [05:55:31] Factoids should have revision histories! [05:55:42] Revisino histories for everything! [05:56:39] party pooper [05:57:31] TimStarling: put the op down, put your hands over your head, and slowly walk backward to the sound of my voice. [05:57:39] heh [05:57:54] you know I'd do it [05:58:37] *TimStarling misses the "kickban" context menu entry in mirc [05:58:48] context menu?? [05:59:01] that's what pops up when you right-click on something [05:59:08] it's a common GUI device [05:59:14] duhgeehthans [05:59:16] +k [05:59:17] I mean [05:59:24] how many kickban items can there be? [06:00:04] I'm not sure I understand [06:00:14] apergos: Why is the language code for greek "el"? [06:00:17] one needs a whole menu of them? [06:00:23] oh... I said it's a context menu *entry* not a context menu [06:00:29] I assume from ελληνικά [06:00:33] Is there a way to see who added/modified a fact? [06:00:36] everything is logged [06:00:38] ah hah [06:00:47] sorry, misread that :-D [06:00:47] specifically an entry in the menu for users [06:00:48] you just have to dig through all the logs of #mediawiki #mwbot and all the privmsg logs [06:01:09] :v [06:01:21] !TimStarling |botbrain [06:01:21] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "timstarling". [06:01:29] !botbrain | TimStarling [06:01:29] --mwbot-- TimStarling: http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/botbrain.html [06:01:32] did someone break monobook.js servicee? [06:01:43] chuck: must be the same wackos who decided that German should be de and Spanish should be es [06:01:50] tsk tsk [06:01:53] heh :P [06:02:05] Durn foreigners, can't even use English names for their languages [06:02:15] *apergos stabs Emufarmers [06:02:26] hey, just sayin'... [06:02:27] Yeah what's up with that? English Language supremacy! [06:03:12] I'm getting Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. [06:03:54] mk: You'll have to give more information than that. Which page, any errors, etc [06:04:56] while viewing my monobook.js (action=raw etc.) sq33.wikimedia.org [06:05:30] mk: I think you want #wikimedia-tech [06:05:50] TimStarling, would it be a good idea for the images directory to come with an .htaccess file with "php_admin_flag engine off" in it? [06:05:55] thanks [06:06:41] Emufarmers: maybe [06:07:04] although it's hard to image a case where that would actually prevent a security vulnerability [06:07:26] Where somebody managed to upload a PHP script into the images directory? [06:08:14] I've never heard of anyone explicitly removing *.php from the file extension blacklist [06:08:22] My understanding is that Apache can be goofy and will sometimes autodetect things as scripts in ways that have led sites to be compromised [06:08:45] Those new search page updates are so cool [06:08:46] Well, defense-in-depth and all [06:08:48] we deal with mod_mime already if that's what you mean [06:09:09] index.php.en and all that [06:09:25] TimStarling well, yeah, I hope all that checking code for the uploads isn't just for show :D [06:09:55] it should work [06:10:01] unless you use safari in which case you're screwed [06:10:10] but that's their fault [06:10:23] not much we can do about it [06:10:42] this is discussed in my one-and-only blog post you know [06:10:54] Yeah, I saw that [06:11:01] That was pretty awesome [06:11:15] (that you did all that reverse engineering, I mean) [06:11:44] Anyway, the php_admin_flag thing was just a bit of paranoia I spotted on the wiki at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Authorization#Another_Scenario.2C_Security_Motivated [06:12:36] yes, img_auth.php is useful for security [06:12:43] .htaccess would be less useful [06:12:48] anyway, it's a saturday, time for me to catch up on some housework [06:12:56] wait, one thing [06:13:08] on the subject of blacklists, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18372 [06:13:25] Am I wrong in my assumption in the second paragraph? [06:14:30] have a nice day [06:14:35] I should get some sleep sometime... [06:15:02] your "wait one thing" time has expired [06:15:19] ask me some other time [06:15:23] kk :3 [07:45:53] hi, how do I flush the thumb of an uploaded picture? I restored an old version of a picture, but the thumb didnt change [07:46:49] I find it works best to action=purge the image description page, and then pragma no-cache the direct link to the thumb [07:57:16] so /File:foo.jpg?action=purge? [07:57:50] and what you mean with pragma...? [07:58:24] hard-reload, shift+ctrl+r in FF [08:00:59] ?action=purge asks me if I want to flush the cache, but no effect after I confirm with OK [08:01:25] still the same thumb of the (wrong) pic [08:01:40] That purges the server's cache; your browser could still have it cached [08:02:06] client is flushed too, I have 3 different browsers to test [08:03:19] are you flushing the image page cache then viewing the article it is viewed in (because you also need to purge them as well) [08:12:31] done so far: File:foo.jpg?action=purge, flushed browser cache and called the /images/thumb/foo.jpg/100px-foo.jpg - still same old pic [08:15:43] and hit ctrl+r on that thumb? [08:28:19] I would like to thank everyone for their help when Ive been doing some work on MediaWiki. Ive been working on it as part of a university assignment. [08:28:34] And Im likely to continue after it is finished. [08:30:27] Ive been taking the course COMP8440 Free and Opensource Software Development at the Australian National University. [08:43:41] 03ialex * r50652 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-ext.txt): Added support for AdminLinks extension [08:47:53] yo [08:48:34] hi domas [09:12:20] 03(mod) Missing tooltip of images (title="" not specified) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16912 +comment (10326374) [09:52:53] 03kim * r50653 10/trunk/testing/installer/testfiles/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Testfiles added (these will probably be moved later) [10:06:49] 03(mod) Divulge Bugzilla formatting language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18778 +comment (10happy-melon) [10:11:01] 03(mod) Problematic book export to PDF/ODF for bidi documents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17766 (10rpschirmer) [10:19:56] 03(NEW) Create Portal namespace on Swahili Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18815 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (spacebirdy) [10:27:20] Whats the wikitech site [10:27:25] the old link [10:28:01] how can i print (to printer) article with special header & footer that repeat on each printed page?? [10:29:35] Prom_cat: wikitech.leuksman.com (which redirects to wikitech.wikimedia.org) [11:22:48] 03(mod) Include uncompressed sizes in dump file RSS info - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14631 (10hippytrail) [11:22:58] 03(mod) Include uncompressed file sizes in data dump download pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6064 +comment (10hippytrail) [11:24:50] how can i print (to printer) article with special header & footer that repeat on each printed page?? [11:37:39] 03jan * r50654 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (Poll.i18n.php Poll_body.php): See diff [11:39:17] 03kim * r50655 10/trunk/testing/util/environment/Wikipedia.sh: Updated gerards Wikipedia.sh script [11:45:53] 03kim * r50656 10/trunk/testing/util/environment/WikiEducator.sh: [11:45:53] WikiEducator script from GerardM [11:45:53] Someone give this man commit access! [11:47:36] 03jan * r50657 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/Poll.php: Change Version [12:12:51] hi [12:13:10] is it possible to disable in the parser that ";" has a meaning without changing the core? [12:13:37] Helo [12:13:45] how do I go about asking for commit access for someone? [12:13:58] you could replace all occurences of ; with its entity before passing it to the parser [12:14:06] Gerardm pretends he can't program and all, but -just like siebrand- he keeps giving me stuff to commit :-P [12:14:21] oh, "Someone give this man commit access!" xD [12:14:41] ask brion [12:14:47] it was the platters who made it a hit right ? [12:15:16] brion :No such nick/channel [12:15:25] hmmm, someone must have explained this whole "sleep" concept to him [12:15:39] I wonder who we have to thank for that? [12:15:57] replacing ";"? but I'd like to use them for something else [12:16:14] I'd like to use them as ";" ;-) [12:17:36] *kim typically dislikes ';' and replaces them with mandatory indentation :-P [12:17:48] kim: ask him to create a bugzilla requesting commit access for MW ext. testing, and he should mail his public key to brion. [12:18:09] Danwe: ";" is only special at the beginning of lines, so not much of the problem. but anyway, mediawiki doesn't really allow modification of the base syntax. [12:18:19] yes, thats the problem [12:18:40] all oyu could do is try a search&replace at a strategic spot - such as the very beginning of a parser pass [12:18:47] could work. could cause problems. [12:18:53] I use them with Semantic Media Wiki and array extension for 2 dimensional arrays [12:19:14] and you need them li9teral at the beginni9ng of lines? [12:19:21] GerardM-, create a bugzilla requesting commit access for MW ext. testing, and you should mail your public key to brion. [12:19:26] no but in parser functions [12:19:34] O:-) [12:19:54] it seems that ";" on the beginning of parser function arguments also creates a list [12:20:16] or on return values of parser functions [12:20:19] Danwe: possibly... becauset he text is passed to the parser as a new line... [12:20:29] hm... maybe. i think there's a switch for that [12:20:50] Danwe: parser functions have a lot of options how uinpout and output gets processed. see if you can find something there [12:21:21] but the problem are not only parser functions, I have the same problem with templates as well [12:22:03] o_O [12:22:07] sounds odd to me. [12:22:41] I hate it. have to do many workarounds for my own templates [12:24:37] how can i print (to printer) article with special header & footer that repeat on each printed page?? [12:24:40] example: [12:24:41] {{#vardefine: test| ;test}} [12:24:41] abc{{#var:test}}...! [12:24:54] creates a break after abc and "test" is bold [12:25:59] but this works fine: {{#vardefine: test| _;test}} [12:25:59] abc{{#var:test}}...! [12:40:28] perhaps this can help me: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AlternateSyntaxParser [13:02:30] 03siebrand * r50658 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/ (288 files): [13:02:30] Localisation updates from translatewiki.net [13:02:30] * Backport compatible translations to REL1_13 [13:02:30] ** 5979 translations added, and many changes [13:09:00] @Duesentrieb: Where can I find these options you talked about? is there a documentation? [13:43:32] 03siebrand * r50659 10/branches/REL1_13/phase3/languages/messages/ (7 files): Follow-up to r50658. Accidentally committed {{GENDER}} in some languages, but that is only supported from MediaWiki 1.15 and up. Reverting those instances. [13:55:20] 03siebrand * r50660 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/languages/messages/ (299 files): [13:55:20] Localisation updates from translatewiki.net [13:55:20] * Backport compatible translations to REL1_14 [13:55:20] ** 8713 translations added, and many changes [13:58:33] 03siebrand * r50661 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesQqq.php): [13:58:33] Follow-up to r50660 [13:58:33] * rebuild en and qqq [14:19:16] 03siebrand * r50662 10/branches/REL1_15/phase3/languages/messages/ (304 files): [14:19:16] Localisation updates from translatewiki.net [14:19:16] * Backport compatible translations to REL1_15 [14:35:54] Xerox Phaser 3100MFP [14:36:16] oops [14:41:46] hello [15:07:05] hello all [15:07:38] I'm digging on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ/fr to find information on how to make a dump of any mediawiki installation. [15:07:46] some pointers, anyone? [15:09:13] Found it! http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps [15:13:37] Well, this is more accurate... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [15:38:20] Any experts for class"wikitabe sortable" around? [15:40:31] just ask the question? [15:41:36] I'd like to create a table with B.C. and AD years [15:41:48] Is it possible to sort them properly? [15:41:56] possible, yes [15:42:12] And how can I do this? [15:42:18] you can always add an HTML comment at the beginning of the field to make the sort order do what you want [15:42:30] e.g. add and [15:42:49] Thanks for the tip. [15:43:02] however this will take some work to get the numeric sorting right (999 and 1000) [15:43:26] is this a wmf wiki or your own? there are some other options in the latter case [15:43:49] No, not my own. [15:43:54] Wikia [15:44:48] you can use templates to do some of the work, but you may end up having to some stuff by hand, to get the sorting right [15:45:04] since WMF wikis don't have string manipulation functions enabled [16:02:21] 03purodha * r50663 10/trunk/extensions/Plotters/ (Plotters.i18n.php PlottersClass.php): Cosmetic message changes and message corrections. [16:09:14] 03(NEW) pdf1.wikimedia.org:8080 not working properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18816 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (gnu1742) [16:15:21] would like to use cite_book template available to wikipedia but it uses lots of other templates; is there a fast install of these templates anywhere; I could not find one; thanks [16:19:22] Chanur, have you tried the 'Include templates' option of Special:Export? [16:19:59] no, but I will investigate. thanks [16:31:57] 03(NEW) Oversight failure on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18817 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (happy-melon) [16:36:53] 03(NEW) add "oversight" component to cover RevDeleted, HideUser, etc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18818 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (happy-melon) [16:37:44] oh look, kim bruning [16:37:52] haven't seen you in a while [16:45:16] whenever i try saving a page on my mediawiki it gives 403: no permission [16:45:19] what can cause this? [16:45:25] the mediawiki has been running for years :o [16:45:39] Hello Prodego : then you haven't been looking in svn? ;-) [16:45:44] how are you today? :-) [16:46:15] EnderOL: most likely your webserver config has changed [16:46:18] Heh, not lately :-) I should, since I am starting to lose my knowledge of every feature [16:46:32] carl-m what config parameter could it be? [16:46:56] no idea. you'd have to think if anything has changed recently - software upgrades, config chagnes, network changes [16:47:07] EnderOL, check your apache settings especially [16:47:44] *kim can't think of anything in mediawiki itself that could somehow trigger a 403, but I don't know everything about mediawiki [16:48:18] i;m on a shared host so i don't know [16:48:27] you could also try looking at the wwebserver logs to see if there is a more detailed explanation [16:49:03] EnderOL, Make sure to ask your webhoster about that then,,, [16:49:45] i'm afraid they will say the problem is with mediawiki and they don't give support for that if i can't point to a specific cause :o [16:49:53] kay [16:50:03] what happens if you run a simple phpinfo script in the same dir.... [16:50:07] do you know how to do that? [16:52:03] yeah one moment :) [16:52:18] btw i can view all wikipedia pages like normal [16:52:27] AH! [16:52:30] can you log in? [16:52:30] only when hitting save on the edit page it gives 403 [16:52:33] yes [16:52:38] logging on works also [16:53:11] eh, does login use HTTP POST too? [16:53:17] *kim thought so [16:53:22] me too, that's why I asked [16:53:27] EnderOL, what plugins do you have? [16:55:08] Is there a way to implement more protection levels, i.e. a user with the "superprotect" right can edit a "superprotect"ed page, but sysops & co can't? [16:55:56] MC8: yes, that can be done [16:56:21] I couldn't find it on wiki, that's all. [16:56:25] only confirmedit and some special pages that have no connection to the rest [16:57:06] would it be troublesome to temporarily disable those? [16:57:19] just to see what happens? [16:57:48] Disable what, sorry? [16:57:57] MC8 : sorry, that's to EnderOL [16:58:05] oh, sorry. [16:58:23] MC8: I'm looking for the right page [16:58:35] Thanks :) [16:58:50] EnderOL, alternately or in conjunction, how about doing an HTTP POST to that PHP infoscript, or some similar? [16:59:00] it'd be interesting to see if that gets you a 403 too ;-) [17:00:05] @kim logging in is php post and that works, right? [17:01:28] MC8: the basic idea is you create a new user group, add the people you want to it, and the protect the pages so that only that group can edit [17:01:40] Trying to Special:Import "Category:Citation Templates" but I get "Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded"; is this MW or PHP stopping? [17:02:22] carl-m: It's the protecting pages that only that group can edit that I'm not sure how to do. [17:02:32] you use the "protect" tab as an administrator [17:02:43] just like other page protection [17:03:52] http://wiki.soldat.nl/w/phpinfo.php [17:04:07] But how do you add it to the list? Atm it's only all/autoconfirmed/sysop. [17:04:15] that is what I am looking up [17:04:18] EnderOL, well, I'm trying to isolate the simplest possible thing that causes the problem to trigger [17:04:37]