[00:08:20] 03(mod) Automated smallest-CIDR calculation from within Checkuser UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17018 (10JSchulz_4587) [00:11:34] hi [00:12:56] is it true there is no way to get double-strikethrough in html or whatever? [00:13:45] Hi I have one question, which are the issues why mediawiki uses by default binary fields instead utf8 ones? [00:14:56] Mike_lifeguard, right. [00:15:01] At least not reasonably. [00:16:38] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#decoration [00:16:43] CSS3 may allow it. [00:16:57] antiPoP- I believe MySQL 4.0 doesn't support utf8 at all, and newer versions don't support characters outside the BMP [00:16:59] But it's totally up in the air. [00:17:14] anomie, yep. [00:18:01] "text-decoration: double strike-through" might work in the future at some point, but not now. [00:18:15] anomie what do you mean for BMP? [00:18:28] *Mike_lifeguard keels over and DIES [00:18:48] (but thanks, Simetrical... I guess I'll stop suggesting we use double-strikeout then, eh? :D) [00:19:02] Good thought. [00:19:07] antiPoP, the basic multilingual plane. [00:19:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_multilingual_plane [00:19:58] Wikipedia, for instance, does contain characters outside of the BMP, so utf8 wouldn't be acceptable for it even if it worked in MySQL 4.0 (which Wikipedia uses). [00:20:30] 03(mod) Only ask gender by default if it will be in fact used for the current language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18841 (10jidanni) [00:28:04] Is there a way to set a maximum character limit for names? [00:29:16] Hm. [00:29:18] !defaultsettings [00:29:18] --mwbot-- For the current version of DefaultSettings.php, see: . [00:29:31] Off-hand, the easiest way is probably to install Titleblacklist. [00:29:44] there is already a maximum length [00:29:50] Marybelle, doubt that will work. [00:29:52] Oh, maximum. [00:30:00] *Marybelle can't read. [00:30:07] carl-m: How can I change it because it's way too high. [00:30:25] $wgMaxNameChars = 255; [00:30:39] Put that in LocalSettings.php, set it to whatever you want, and then run... [00:30:46] ./maintenancecheckUsernames.php [00:31:24] Simetrical: The Titleblacklist has a option or something. You could do .{44} [00:31:31] I think I have that set on en.wiki, actually. [00:31:52] .{40,200} [00:32:00] *Marybelle stares. [00:32:09] Okay thanks [00:32:20] o_O [00:32:34] I wonder who added the 200... [00:33:00] Also is it possible to prevent a user from completely blanking a page? I've been getting quite a lot of vandalism and that seems to be what the users have been doing. [00:33:17] try abusefilter? [00:33:31] I'd also like to possibly have someone blanking a page an auto ban [00:33:35] Marybelle: so people can create 201-255chr names? [00:33:46] Splarka: I guess so. Seems rather stupid... [00:33:57] I'm fairly sure someone else is to blame. [00:34:00] stupid in MY en.wp? it's more likely than you think [00:34:31] eep, thunderstorms on the way, bbl [00:34:32] .{40,} [00:34:36] That's what I wrote... [00:36:48] 03(mod) Edit summaries are rendered differently to admins when contents have been concealed by RevisionDelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17060 (10mikelifeguard) [00:38:40] Check history? [00:39:41] 04(REOPENED) Automated smallest-CIDR calculation from within Checkuser UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17018 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [00:39:43] Yeah. [00:39:46] Found it and fixed it. [00:39:50] People are idiots. [00:39:59] {40,} was "broken." [00:40:03] Rawr. [00:40:12] I hope it wasn't me who fixed it :D [00:40:32] Which project was the one that banned all usernames over ten characters ... [00:40:55] enwikisource or something? [00:41:12] I think that was partially my fault too :( [00:42:09] [A-Z ]{10,} [00:42:13] Mike_lifeguard: they hated you so much they banned all usernames over 10 chars? [00:42:27] And .{30,} [00:42:29] just for an excuse to ban you? [00:42:31] From, shockingly, Wiktionary. [00:42:32] :( [00:42:38] nah, it was when I was switching everything from userblacklist to titleblacklist [00:42:59] Marybelle: .{30,} isn't a bad idea per se [00:43:11] there were some peculiarities in the regexes and I had to make educated guesses as to what they wanted to do, and sometimes I made mistakes [00:43:13] there does have to be some limit, and if a site wants it to be shorter, so be it [00:43:53] I just create the account on a lenient project and use SUL. :-) [00:43:58] there was another one where punctuation got disallowed, but that wasn't my fault, honest :P [00:46:10] hi all. anyone can help with a question? in twiki i use !+ to show/hide a text, how can i do with mediawiki? [00:47:29] What does "show/hide a text" mean? [00:47:49] I think the answer is that there's no such built-in functionality. [00:53:43] Simetrical, Like the "hide/show" link in the TOC. [00:53:57] There's no built-in function to do this for arbitrary text. [00:55:44] with twiki i use !+ [00:57:34] and colapse text [00:59:59] There's no such thing in MediaWiki. You'd have to write the JavaScript yourself, make a template or whatever. [01:00:58] Simetrical thanks for the reply... [01:01:32] I'm looking at the mediawiki schema, and seems that although articles are stored as binary, the page titles are in utf8.... [01:01:54] so I should not expect extended characters in the titles, rigth? [01:02:55] Simetrical, just this? heheheheh [01:28:11] What can I do to drive down the amount of time it takes to serve a page? [01:28:20] Currently it's taking .681 s [01:30:01] Aaron has a subpage about making MW faster. [01:30:06] On MW.org [01:31:04] chuck: not installing 80 zillion extentions helps too [01:31:41] Prodego: Oh hush :P [01:31:46] Maybe I'll prune some out [01:45:39] could i pick somebody's brain about makefiles and such? [01:47:33] i have some stuff which uses index files for wiki dumps and i want to automate building those indexes [02:09:50] 03(mod) Consolidate special pages with namespace selector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4204 (10jidanni) [02:09:51] 03(mod) Query pages should limit to content namespaces, not just main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8130 (10jidanni) [02:24:11] 03(mod) WAI-ARIA landmark roles to improve accessibility in the Monobook skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18338 +accessibility (10jidanni) [02:30:29] hello [02:32:55] 03(mod) PNG cannot display thumbnails if the original over 12.5 megapixels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18826 (10cuerden) [02:35:49] !r 50714 [02:35:49] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/50714 [02:35:53] Hello. [02:40:36] 03(mod) Thumbnailing produces much worse results for PNGs than JPG, but PNG is the only real option for serious restoration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18014 (10tstarling) [02:41:59] was that to me? [02:42:11] The hello was. [02:42:24] The link was for me. [02:42:33] right, hello [02:42:52] Did that lock problem get resolved? [02:43:11] I haven't heard too many complaints today. [02:43:24] whoever it was probably stopped updating the template [02:43:33] hey TimStarling. [02:43:39] my days at an end ... seeya [02:43:44] Bah. [02:43:49] I had a question for him. Oh well. [02:43:56] *Marybelle notices Tim is Bugzilla trolling. [02:44:13] it's a serious question [02:44:29] he submits a lot of bug reports but never explains why he thinks we should work on them [02:45:20] "..why it has any relevance to Wikipedia?" is bear-poking ( http://enwp.org/WP:BEAR ) [02:45:29] apart from mentioning some relevance to serious restoration [02:45:43] Well, Commons is a media repository. [02:45:53] So presumably they do image work. [02:45:57] The Commoners. [02:46:00] serious restoration? [02:46:21] Well, little in Wikimedia is serious. Most of it is probably amateurish. But I'm sure they take it seriously. [02:46:27] he has to make his case either way, I'm not working on it as is [02:46:45] Fair enough. [02:47:23] speaking of bugzilla trolling, I'm just reading a WAI document defining accessibility and listing web-relevant disabilities [02:47:35] haven't seen any mention of text browser compatibility yet [02:47:40] This is Jidanni-related? [02:47:58] yes [02:48:07] Marybelle: who else would it be :P [02:48:47] I got WONTFIXED a few days ago. [02:49:14] I should go bug-war or something. [03:10:22] what is wrong with this syntax: [03:10:23] {{#ifeq:{{{1}}}||an unspecified matter|}} [03:10:52] harej: I'm not particularly experienced, but you might want {{{1|}}} [03:10:53] if a parameter is not provided, then it yields "an unspecified matter", while doing nothing if at least something is provided [03:11:53] See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions [03:13:58] harej: What's the problem? [03:14:05] Marybelle: I think i have it figuredo ut [03:14:11] Excellent. [03:14:15] moring [03:15:01] any idea about how to make a subpage for each index item [03:19:20] make a link for each index item to a non-existing subpage, click on each link and edit it [03:23:36] but my page is a full book [03:23:40] 04(REOPENED) Enable AbuseFilter on Cantonese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18589 +comment (10shinjiman) [03:24:25] it import from msword.should i mannually split 500 sub page?. [03:25:22] no, you should split it by chapter [03:25:30] not by page [03:25:48] yeah. [03:26:46] isn't there any choice to auto finish it? [03:27:33] I doubt it [03:27:37] you know where google is though [03:28:24] i tried ,but get nothing [03:30:09] well, that's probably what there is then [03:37:37] ashley: That vandal you keep reverting on usability wiki has replaced the header with "Good site, admin" again, you might want to leave a message on his/her talk page for block for a few days or w/e [03:44:48] 03(mod) Enable AbuseFilter on Cantonese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18589 (10shinjiman) [03:48:30] I just tried to use ini_set in my LocalSettings.php to increase the maximum file upload size to 5MB... and I'm still getting an error "The file you uploaded seems to be empty." I can't find anything else obviously wrong, as the default values of post_max_size and the $wgXXX vars seem to be ok. What could be wrong? [03:56:57] file permissions? [03:57:28] Where? on the server? I've been able to upload other (smaller) things. [03:57:41] I mean, I can just shrink it, but I'd rather know why it's failing. [04:02:48] jtbandes: do you know how to use phpinfo()? [04:03:26] TimStarling: yeah [04:03:41] Unless there's some aspect of it you're referring to that I haven't seen. [04:04:27] check that the post_max_size and upload_max_filesize in phpinfo() match what you set them to in php.ini [04:05:10] I didn't set them in php.ini, as I'm on a shared host and I can't access it (though I may be able to make a custom one... haven't tried). I used ini_set(), but should that not still work? [04:05:45] I'd doubt it, if it's a shared host [04:05:59] Doubt which part? [04:06:08] that you'd be able to override it with ini_set [04:06:13] no, ini_set does not work [04:07:29] it says PHP_INI_PERDIR in the manual, so you should be able to set it through .htaccess [04:07:52] Aha, I can use a custom php.ini. [04:19:47] Ok, I tried php.ini, but it still seems to be broken. [04:21:10] I'll just upload a smaller version for now. [04:58:53] jtbandes: did you check it against phpinfo() this time? [04:59:14] because there's a lot of things that can go wrong in between php.ini and phpinfo() [05:01:16] TimStarling: looks to be working [05:01:21] But then MW pays no attention. [05:10:22] has anyone here installed plexcel for their mediawiki install? [05:11:03] jtbandes: there's not much MW can do about it, besides informative error messages [05:11:08] im mostly through it and have stuck on an issue at the last step, which is getting the sso going when using a browser (works fine using wfetch like in the documentation) [05:11:12] file uploads are handled by PHP before MW starts [05:11:41] devians-work: never heard of it [05:11:50] Well, it shows the limit as 2MB on the upload page, and it's not working to upload something that big. [05:12:29] jtbandes: is the wiki public? [05:12:51] TimStarling, its a php extension that allows for integration with active directory [05:14:19] and there's a MW auth extension for it? [05:14:57] TimStarling: not exactly, by which I mean yes, but anonymous users can't upload, and the wiki isn't very heavily used yet. what do you want to see? [05:21:01] jtbandes: the phpinfo() output, and whether or not it's generated for the same directory as the wiki [05:25:12] TimStarling: you win, it isn't loading the custom php.ini that changes the value from the wiki's directory, only the one in the docroot. Running php -i via SSH while in the wiki's directory works, though. [05:30:59] 03(NEW) Customizing the dimension of pictures in categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18843 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (public.wiki) [05:38:52] urgh, active directory sso for mediawiki seems to be a bit of a tall order. i have this plexcel thing installed but it is being a royal pain in the butt. [05:40:21] it's not like there's a massive user community [05:40:41] pardon? [05:41:01] probably just some guy like you who spent a few hours writing the auth plugin and then forgot about it [05:41:10] you shouldn't expect great things [05:41:22] plexcel? or ad sso for mediawiki? [05:41:39] the second one [05:43:15] yeah there seems to be a pile of 'i hacked this together' solutions but its nothing solid [05:44:09] no big deal if you lower your expectations and learn PHP [05:48:50] or you could ask for your money back... [05:49:06] heh [05:51:09] been using php for 6 or so years now. and who is seriously stupid enough to pay for something that expensive before seeing if it even works? [05:51:17] the language isnt the problem, its time. [06:06:48] 14(DUP) LoginForm reports wrong password when CAPTCHA is wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18798 +comment (10tstarling) [06:06:53] 03(mod) Vague error on captcha mismatch during login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12206 +comment (10tstarling) [06:24:03] 03(mod) Add setting to hide a list of preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761 +comment (10tstarling) [06:32:23] Hi, anyone here who could help me setting up user rights with the Lockdown Extension? [07:10:31] grrrrrr [07:11:46] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18828#c4 -> #5 -> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Magic_words&curid=1748&action=history [07:12:52] 03(mod) Can't link to [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}]] any more - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18828 (10herd) [07:19:52] 04(REOPENED) Have a permalink type URL as a user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18796 +comment (10Gerard.meijssen) [07:34:15] *Splarka wonders if https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11281 should dupe to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4970 [07:34:20] *Splarka guesses not [07:38:35] i don't think 'duplicate' in that sense means what you think it does [07:38:46] (you want to make a copy of the bug at another url?) [07:39:55] no [07:40:11] dupe, as in DUP, not duplicate [07:40:19] but that isn't a verb [07:40:26] neither is graceful [07:40:36] your point? [07:40:55] so it's illegal to make up new words [07:41:01] you shouldn't do it [07:41:10] it is a civil offense, it isn't criminal [07:41:15] *Splarka pays the fine and goes on [07:42:16] anyway, thanks for the waste of time, in actual constructivenessiveness: I guess what 11281 wants is a way to control the limit in the UI, not necessarily exceeding the limit set in Default/LocalSettings [07:43:59] a synergenic solutionitude might be ampleish duplifaction of the paginationables in other listovules [07:47:46] 03(mod) Page history lines are rendered differently to admins when contents have been concealed by RevisionDelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17060 summary; +comment (10happy-melon) [08:01:50] 03tstarling * r50763 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LinksUpdate.php: Reverted r46706, misses essential updates, the feature can easily be implemented another way (see CodeReview). For 1.15. [08:05:51] 03tstarling * r50764 10/branches/REL1_15/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/LinksUpdate.php): Reverting r46706 (category redirects), wrong design, buggy [08:10:49] 04(REOPENED) Automatic category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 +comment (10tstarling) [09:07:20] 03(mod) Free up "Project" as a namespace (for Wikipedia:Projects) by using an alternate token - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18793 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [09:46:25] hello guys [09:46:56] $title_cat = $title->getParentCategories() returns an array, how can I retrieve the name of the categorie(s) in it ? [09:50:38] 03(mod) Automatic category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 (10catlow) [09:51:13] I don't suppose anybody here is possibly using mediawiki on a BSD machine w/MySQL on the back end? Oh and hearty greetings to everyone out there. :) [09:52:44] After much fighting with familiarizing myself with OpenBSD vs. Linux, I've got mediawiki up and happy with apache & php, but I'm having problems getting it to understand that the MySQL database server is, indeed, there, and I am not turning up anything too helpful in google... My own exploits for configuring the database/account/password correctly for the wiki & database are not seeming to work [09:56:13] !man Running_MediaWiki_on_FreeBSD | dgetsman [09:56:13] --mwbot-- dgetsman: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_FreeBSD [09:56:41] p858snake|: was typing out that macro less work than just copypaste linking them to it? [09:57:16] well i knew what the article was actually called so yes [10:03:54] msg mwbot2 that doesn't seem to have exactly what I need; I've followed all of those steps. are you aware of any bsd specific or even more general MySQL<-->Mediawiki troubleshooting pages? I haven't turned any up [10:04:33] p858snake|: case and point^ [10:05:19] mwbot is often a false-authority abstraction layer [10:08:49] hah [10:09:04] teach me to type before coffee [10:35:02] 03(mod) PNG cannot display thumbnails if the original over 12.5 megapixels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18826 (10mikelifeguard) [10:50:58] wouldn't want to dirty the hands with inaccurate advice [11:02:24] 03(mod) Only ask gender by default if it will be in fact used for the current language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18841 (10niklas.laxstrom) [11:05:30] 03(mod) Free up "Project" as a namespace (for Wikipedia:Projects) by using an alternate token - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18793 (10niklas.laxstrom) [11:11:09] anyone with IE 8 ? [11:12:26] *Splarka opens up his Angry Mob Emporium franchise, polishes the pitchforks and oils up the torches, and looks at thedj [11:12:31] would have to reboot [11:12:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Weird_behavior_when_editing [11:13:15] no bug to free up "Image" as a namespace yet? [11:13:18] we need a solution/work-around for that... [11:13:39] workaround - use FF/chrome/!IE [11:14:02] yes everyone knows.... [11:14:11] :P [11:14:23] don't use IE. unfortunately, i'm not employed by every single company in the world to make that happen. [11:14:35] :) [11:14:37] You should be ;) [11:14:57] "don't use MediaWiki" [11:15:10] *Reedy glares at Splarka [11:15:32] seriously, some people just complain too much, the returns they are diminishing [11:15:39] *cough*jidanni*cough* [11:17:05] here is my problem with IE... [11:17:43] the people that report problems with IE and expect you to fix them, are of the intelligence and capability level consistent with those who choose to use IE, or are forced into a situation whereby they have no choice but to use IE [11:18:51] so when trying to get them to help you help them, they are typical IE users... X_X [11:19:14] I for some reason use IE for some sites, FF for others and chrome for more.. [11:19:42] I used to use IE for flash as it was more reliable, that was IE 5.0 for those keeping score [11:19:46] but also have safari and opera installed for teh lulz [11:19:55] i use safari for browsing and the others for testing. (except IE8) [11:40:29] Hi there, I have a problem with installation of MediaWiki 1.14.0. Here a the response during installation process: [11:40:31] PHP 5.2.5-tuxtools installed [11:40:32] Found database drivers for: MySQL [11:40:34] PHP server API is cgi; using ugly URLs (index.php5?title=Page_Title) [11:40:35] Have XML / Latin1-UTF-8 conversion support. [11:40:37] Warning: A value for session.save_path has not been set in PHP.ini. If the default value causes problems with saving session data, set it to a valid path which is read/write/execute for the user your web server is running under. [11:40:38] PHP's memory_limit is 32M. [11:40:40] Couldn't find Turck MMCache, eAccelerator, APC or XCache; cannot use these for object caching. [11:40:42] GNU diff3 not found. [11:40:43] Found GD graphics library built-in, image thumbnailing will be enabled if you enable uploads. [11:40:45] Installation directory: /www/htdocs/tanja/wiki [11:40:46] Script URI path: /wiki [11:40:48] Installing MediaWiki with php5 file extensions [11:40:48] please stop pasting [11:40:49] Environment checked. You can install MediaWiki. [11:40:51] Warning: $wgSecretKey key is insecure, generated with mt_rand(). Consider changing it manually. [11:40:53] Generating configuration file... [11:40:55] Database type: MySQL [11:40:57] Warning: Unterminated comment starting line 334 in /www/htdocs/tanja/wiki/includes/WebRequest.php on line 334 Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end, expecting T_FUNCTION in /www/htdocs/tanja/wiki/includes/WebRequest.php on line 334 [11:41:01] I really don't know what to do (after checking FAQ, and the other regular support-stuff) and would be very very thankful if someone gives me instruction about solving this problem. best regards... [11:47:37] 03(mod) Automatic category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 (10tstarling) [11:48:26] how to check that mediawiki is in "edit mode" via php? [11:49:08] Splarka: don't temp me.... i will file one about it [11:57:09] found it. :) ($mediaWiki->getVal('Action');) [11:58:12] ugga [11:58:15] note that 'submit' is also an edit window generally (usually a preview, or other edit that doesn't 302 redirect to the article page after submission as a save does) [11:58:29] *Splarka pokles Rabbit [12:00:10] auxelius: did you upload with ftp? [12:00:40] yes [12:01:10] looks like all the files were not uploaded properly [12:01:59] do you mean that they are burst while ftp-process? [12:03:16] I'm just saying that there should be more than 334 lines in that file [12:03:34] and be warned that other actions may also be harder if you do not have shell access [12:11:41] in fact there are more than 334 lines in that file (733)! [12:14:07] well line 334 should be empty, so there can hardly be a parser error there [12:14:39] I have a comment at that line... [12:14:49] auxelius: can you paste the line? [12:15:00] only that one [12:15:11] /** [12:15:13] * Fetch a boolean value from the input or return $default if not set. [12:15:15] * Guaranteed to return true or false, with normal PHP semantics for [12:15:16] * boolean interpretation of strings. [12:15:18] * @param $name string [12:15:20] * @param $default bool [12:15:22] * @return bool [12:15:23] */ [12:15:24] auxelius: please do NOT paste [12:15:42] I'm sorry [12:15:59] If you need to show us multiple lines, please use an online pastebin [12:17:51] Sorry again - It's my first time [12:18:22] auxelius: and that error happens again if you try again? [12:18:41] again and again!!! [12:20:02] I even tried out with index.php and index.php5 [12:24:23] auxelius: are you uploading from windows? [12:24:38] yes [12:28:07] auxelius: with text or binary mode? [12:29:25] I configured filezilla to decide automatic! [12:34:49] 03(mod) Automatic category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 (10catlow) [12:40:35] nice to see that demon has taken up the text browser cause, committing lots of jidanni's patches [12:41:49] someone's got to help all those people surfing the web from 1970's era dumb terminals [12:42:11] :O [12:45:24] auxelius: no, either the files are corrupted during upload or your php is broken [12:45:30] 03ashley * r50765 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialUpdateProfile.php: [12:45:30] SocialProfile: tweaks to UpdateProfile special page - only spam unconfirmed [12:45:30] users with that confirm email message (it's broken anyway, the links aren't [12:45:30] working) and add ids to some elements to that they can be hidden with css [12:46:05] http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.asp?QC=1165 [12:47:12] so blind people can read documents with CSS, just not Jidanni with w3m [12:47:39] Nikerabbit: should I upload the files again in binary mode? [12:48:41] TimStarling: but JAWS apparently ignores aural and speech media types, it tries to be "internet explorer" [12:48:45] auxelius: you can try [12:49:08] TimStarling: where are those jidanni patches? [12:49:11] saper: I think you can configure that [12:49:18] in bugzilla [12:49:19] though it's been a while since I've used JAWS [12:49:20] Mike_lifeguard: I don't think so... [12:49:39] I miss non-CSS "?" for redlinks very much, is that included there? [12:50:44] saper: what sort of browser do you use? [12:50:54] TimStarling: w3m [12:51:03] withing emacs (seldom) and standalone [12:51:11] it's great [12:51:13] with images or without? [12:51:16] for mediawiki [12:51:19] usually without [12:51:41] in emacs I switch them on sometimes or per-image (like somebody's foto) [12:51:53] do you use it because your only internet access is via a text-only dumb terminal? [12:52:02] no [12:52:22] I have a fully featured laptop with 3D acceleraated graphics capable to run compiz [12:52:52] it's much quicker to start w3m with a link from irc recent changes or just like that than wait for seamonkey/firefox whatever [12:53:24] I also like "buffer" feature very much - like history <- -> but easier to use and you do not "lose" forward pacges [12:53:27] pages [12:53:52] so I can have preview and edit box in two "buffers" if I want [12:54:32] so kind of like tabs? [12:54:52] except wrapped in an antiquated user interface? [12:54:55] w3m has tabs in the firefox sense [12:55:05] but I don't use them [12:55:21] buffer always full screen [12:55:35] it can contain page info or page source, if you need [12:56:10] *TimStarling is not buying [12:56:36] well, I am much faster with this [12:56:58] last time I was fixing some stupid links that were too complicated to do them with bot [12:57:11] (or actually doing python logic for them would take too much time) [12:57:14] and it was great [12:57:22] the only think I don't have are redlinks [12:57:40] due to this (pardon me) stupid "after-content:" CSS gimmick [12:57:57] you should try an already-running firefox with CSS and images disabled [12:58:06] no [12:58:07] should be pretty quick [12:58:18] I don't want "already running" up [12:58:25] I need to start up and tear down quickly [12:58:32] low RAM? [12:58:34] w3m is like less [12:59:14] it's like telling me "why don't you page all your manpages and textfiles via the standalone less monster" :) [12:59:37] I read my manpages in firefox [12:59:38] TimStarling: do you know "dwm" window manager? [12:59:44] I have a bookmarklet and man2html [13:00:02] so for you firefox is your emacs :) [13:00:07] for me it's screen and xterm [13:00:43] just say it, you are stuck in your old habits :o [13:00:44] http://www.cactusflower.org/why-screen-readers-dont-support-aural-css [13:01:12] Nikerabbit: nope, it's postindustrial, I used to run gnome/kde and those kinds of things :) [13:01:22] is dwm one of those many lightweight window managers designed for machines with a meg or two of RAM? [13:01:57] it's ca 1000 lines of source code [13:02:33] Screen readers don't use aural CSS for the same reason Opera's small-screen mode totally mangles the display semantics of CSS and HTML. [13:02:46] the xerox desktop paradigm is gone awol, nobody uses a window system like it was meant in the 70'ies, with menus and many windows etc. [13:03:14] Because people write web pages for normal browsers, and it turns out it's a lot more reliable and efficient to make a "normal" -> "weird" translator than to get authors to mark stuff up for weird uses properly to begin with. [13:03:17] almost everyone I know uses maximised windows [13:03:43] Simetrical: for all, people have difficulty to imagine how it's like [13:03:44] saper: hilarious: You must enable scripting in your browser to post comments. [13:03:57] Nikerabbit: hehe lemme check [13:03:58] Why would anyone not want to use AJAX?! [13:04:09] since it's a gimmick :) [13:04:26] It's not a gimmick, it's actually quite handy for speeding up some things. [13:04:30] Although it's sometimes overused. [13:04:56] It allows you to do things in the natural way rather than shoehorning everything into HTML/HTTP's "totally separate pages" model. [13:05:57] Nikerabbit: hehe preview works fine, submit gives me 404 [13:06:13]