allowing to hide it via CSS [13:40:38] uh [13:40:44] WTF is the parser doing [13:43:02] 03purodha * r50975 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/ImagePage.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): Fix r50972 [13:49:14] 03nikerabbit * r50976 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: [13:49:14] Work around parser madness, because I have no idea what is going on. The following renders each line as a paragraph: [13:49:14]

a [13:49:14] b [13:49:14] c/div> [13:54:02] 03siebrand * r50977 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: [13:54:02] * feed arrays into getFullURL() for readability [13:54:02] * fix indentation (spaces to tab) [13:55:22] is that urlencode even needed [13:56:38] hello folks [13:57:00] we have a wiki edited by few, that users can only read [13:57:33] how do i use special chars in wiki, for example the HTML would be é [13:57:50] dayo: try é :) [13:57:59] we are thinking of producing a fully custom interface for the "read" users: this gives us more freedom than disabling parts of the mediawiki interface and working on skins [13:58:00] or just type the char you want. [13:58:25] hi Duesentrieb_ [13:58:26] is there an "intermediate" API in mediawiki to allow this, or we should interface directly to the DB? [13:58:30] hi Nikerabbit [13:58:42] michelem: don't go to the db, that would be bad [13:58:58] Duesentrieb_: indeed, this is why I'm asking :) [13:59:10] the web api supports rendering, and there's also a very barebone interface to grep rendered html for any page: [13:59:28] michelem: use action=render to get a rendered html snippet [14:01:07] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API [14:01:15] this seems what I'm looking for [14:01:20] Duesentrieb_: 2/2 great stuff! :-) [14:01:25] however that doc seems quite rough :) [14:01:30] I induce it's a PHP interface. [14:01:45] michelem: it's self-documenting, mostly. just go to api.php in your wiki's base dir. [14:02:00] thank you Duesentrieb_ [14:02:02] michelem: the API is powerful, but overkill if you just want rendered HTML [14:02:06] just use the render action# [14:02:09] example: [14:02:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo?action=render [14:03:07] 03nikerabbit * r50978 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: urlencode not needed anymore [14:03:09] hmm that may be close [14:03:52] there are not many "layout hooks" in that HTML though afais [14:05:20] Duesentrieb_: when you are not busy? [14:05:55] Nikerabbit: well, i'm on duty, but we can chat about i18n for the toolserver anyway :) [14:06:34] michelem: hooks? you can do everything with CSS. It's the same HTML you get on the page. you wrap it and style it any way you want.- [14:06:45] it's pure content [14:07:48] <__neo__> hi guys [14:08:08] <__neo__> I've installed mediawiki on my hosting but I can't edit the User group rights [14:08:32] <__neo__> I'd like to make the wiki private: e.g. disable all rights for Users group [14:08:32] Duesentrieb_: chatting... I want progress :) [14:08:42] 03daniel * r50979 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/store/builder/DatabaseLocalConceptStoreBuilder.java: fixed access to ID field before IDs get resolved [14:08:55] Nikerabbit: i won't do any coding in the forseeable future. [14:09:00] i can set up a table or something on the TS [14:09:10] __neo__: "can't edit" why? [14:09:39] say you want to change the background color of the "See also" block [14:09:52] only [14:10:06] <__neo__> I mean, I can't(don't know how to) change the rights associated to the Users group [14:10:25] michelem: it's content. if you want styling there,you have to provide for it when wriuting the content. sections are not blocks, btw. html is designed that way. [14:10:41] anyway, I think it's largely enough for our needs, as you say the api is probably an overkill if you just need to display [14:10:48] <__neo__> on my account created on wikipedia.org, I can see in special pages a section with: "Global group management" and there I think is the place to change those rights [14:10:51] michelem: a special style for see-also sections could be implemented using a template. but it has to be used consistently when writing such sections [14:10:59] <__neo__> but on my installation, I can't see that section in special pages [14:11:04] michelem: this is unrelated to the read-only-interface, btw [14:11:24] __neo__: no, rights for groups are edited in the config files. [14:11:30] !userrights | __neo__ [14:11:30] --mwbot-- __neo__: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [14:11:51] yes, it's content indeed. I just though that mediawiki has some "special templates" recognized with semantics as wikipedia nowadays has a very repetitive structure for pages [14:12:12] <__neo__> Duesentrieb_: thanks! [14:12:12] michelem: noi, it has no templates at all, unless you make them. [14:12:15] <__neo__> I'll try [14:12:48] 03(NEW) RSS/Atom feeds contains escaped in title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18907 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (azatoth) [14:12:51] ok [14:17:19] seem to be having a brainfart and I can't seem to remember how to specify a remote wiki as an import source [14:21:39] <__neo__> I was wondering..what are the advantages/disadvantages of hosting my mediawiki versus having an account on wikipedia.org? [14:22:06] __neo__: wikipedia.org is an encyclopedia. [14:22:19] it has a distinct purpose and a set of rules abotu the content. [14:22:28] <__neo__> but I've seen I can create my personal page over there [14:22:42] sure. but only for stuff relevant to the project's goals. [14:22:47] wikipedia is not a webspace provider [14:22:54] if you use it as such, your stuff gets deleted [14:23:00] if you want wiki hosting, go to wikia [14:23:03] <__neo__> so if I place something out of scope, they'll delete it.. [14:23:07] yep [14:23:19] <__neo__> wikia offers free hosting or it's paid? [14:23:33] <__neo__> I'm currently hosting it on xtreemhost.com but it's kind of slow [14:23:51] free, with adds. i think you can pay to get rid of adds. the content has to be freely licensed though, i think. [14:23:54] look there. [14:24:01] there's a bunch of other wiki hosters out there. [14:24:11] wikia is good because they also do community building etc [14:24:40] <__neo__> but if I want something that is for personal use..no community involved, is wikia still a good place? [14:24:46] no. [14:24:52] <__neo__> I see [14:25:13] Hi! I've a question: there's an extension to insert signature automatically? [14:25:16] in that case, mediawiki is'nt a good choice either, i think :) [14:25:36] mediawiki is a heavy duty tool. as a personal wiki, it's complete overkill. [14:25:41] <__neo__> well, I've seen mediawiki has a very cool user rights control, a ton of extensions, etc. [14:25:55] user rights control is actually one of mediawiki's weak spots. [14:26:04] other wikis are way better for that [14:26:13] !engines [14:26:13] --mwbot-- For a comparison of wiki software, see and [14:26:17] <__neo__> the thing is that I'd like to learn on how wikis work by testing different engines [14:26:22] see and compare [14:26:47] <__neo__> btw, do you know what I could do to learn gradually about wikis? [14:27:01] use them. [14:27:18] <__neo__> I mean, start with something simple, upgrade, and so on..so in the end to have a good picture on what to choose when I need something [14:27:19] __neo__: have a look at opensourcecms.com [14:27:29] <__neo__> thanks, I'll try [14:27:33] they have syndbox installs of dozens of engines to play with [14:27:48] <__neo__> oh, that's very cool! [14:27:50] Duesentrieb_: Did you talk with neo or with me? :) [14:28:02] ah, ok... with neo... [14:28:33] Marco27: the anser to you is "maybe". i think i saw something ones, but i forget where. so... i can't help you :) [14:29:08] Duesentrieb_: Ok, thanks :) ... [14:29:31] <__neo__> btw, I've tried to install the Configurator extension in mediawiki but it doesn't seem to work [14:29:48] <__neo__> I'm using mediawiki 1.14 [14:30:17] <__neo__> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Configurator - this is the extension [14:30:56] <__neo__> I think I've did what they say..and I see it says MediaWiki v.1.12 - do you think it doesn't work because of the version? [14:35:56] 03(NEW) Ignore tags from deleted filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18908 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (cenarium.sysop) [14:40:37] <__neo__> is there any way to export/import wiki data between mediawiki and dokuwiki? [15:05:32] 03nikerabbit * r50980 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Translate.php scripts/populateFuzzy.php): Bugfixes [15:21:59] *Hojjat is back home! [15:38:09] Hello [15:38:12] Today, Arabic Wikipedia will go beyond 100,000 Articles :-) So, how to know which article will the number 100,000 ?!! [15:38:56] You don't [15:39:05] ?!! [15:39:18] Well, you might find out by watching the counter carefully [15:39:19] RoanKattouw: people who ask thsi question usually don't actually care about an accurate answer, they just want something they can say is the 100'000th article, even if it's not really [15:39:26] (at least that's what's always happened in the past) [15:39:28] Yeah I guess :P [15:39:48] I recommend just sitting on Special:Statistics and Special:Recentchanges [15:40:21] matata: Start creating articles like a mad man! [15:40:35] If you have nothing to write about, may I suggest Futurama episodes? [15:42:05] whii [15:42:21] svip, thank you for the suggestion, but it's already there :-) [15:42:47] It is? [15:42:53] There are articles about every episodes, matata? [15:43:33] He means it's already past 100,000. [15:43:55] Oh. [15:43:56] OH [15:44:04] Well, they should have more articles on Futurama. [15:44:10] Its Futurama article is not exactly impressive. [15:44:28] Now I may not know that much Arabic, but I am pretty certain there is only a short introduction. [15:44:34] svip, nope, it's small article, and i think it's like that because we don't know this episode [15:44:51] Also, I thought Arabic had its own numeral glyphs. [15:44:54] Simetrical, no, we didn't pass it yet [15:45:01] Okay, I'm confused then. [15:45:13] matata: Futurama is a TV show! [15:45:17] It has many episodes. [15:45:20] Anyway, the point is, nobody really knows, but we can make up one that's wrong in a nice way if you like. [15:45:22] http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%81%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7_%28%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84%29 [15:45:41] Like by taking the 100,000th row in the page table. [15:46:00] Simetrical, 99,928 now [15:46:19] Ah. [15:46:25] Well, watch closely and you might spot it. [15:46:55] :( Our Futurama wiki only has 1200+ articles. [15:47:29] Oh, wait, this is "good articles"? Forget it, no way is a DB query going to get that. [15:47:37] hello, I have a problem on wiki.blender.org with mwiki 1.15.orc1: it stops using commons.css it just uses the skins css, any idea how to fix this? [15:48:06] mindrones, you mean it stops using MediaWiki:Common.css but still uses (for example) MediaWiki:Monobook.css? [15:48:18] Or it only uses core CSS files like monobook/main.css. [15:48:30] mm didn't try monobook I try [15:49:02] argh blender's server is down for a 500 error have to wait a bit [15:49:31] firebug just says it is using skins/blender/main.css instead of Mediawiki.Common.css [15:49:40] In addition to, not instead of. [15:49:43] It's supposed to use both. [15:49:44] 03daniel * r50981 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (20 files in 11 dirs): project for semantic integration of wikiword content [15:49:45] infact all templates usign css are faulty [15:49:51] There's a config option somewhere. [15:50:07] ok. it is clear it doesn't use the Mediawiki namespace ones tho [15:50:14] Make sure $wgUseSiteCss is true. [15:50:14] is it new? [15:50:16] mindrones: you are using a custom skin, right? [15:50:20] yes [15:50:30] Also make sure your skin isn't broken. [15:50:31] i think the mechanism by which header links are injected changed a while back. [15:50:46] if you use an old custom skin with a new version of mediawiki, you may miss some of them [15:50:49] We don't have a sane skinning system, your skin might have broken on upgrade. [15:50:50] which would explain your troubles [15:50:56] it's just a guess, though [15:51:13] ah ok [15:51:25] mindrones: check how monobook's is constructed against what you do in your skin., [15:51:26] but where should we put hands on? [15:51:31] ah okie [15:51:35] thx a lto [15:51:36] lt [15:51:46] uuff, lot! :) [15:51:50] np [15:53:53] I'll check and report, thanks again [15:57:06] I've a problem with an extension... Can anyone help me, please? [15:57:24] !ask | Marco27 [15:57:24] --mwbot-- Marco27: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp [15:57:43] ok RoanKattouw :) [15:57:47] Dictatorship is the root of all good. [15:58:28] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditUser_2 <-- this extension crashes on my wiki... Output is "EditUser Error: Invalid Username"... [15:58:52] but user exists... [15:58:56] who's our resident Postgres devs :-/ [15:58:57] Which version of MW do you use? [15:59:03] OverlordQ: G_SabinoMullane [15:59:09] Marco27: is there a special character in the user name? [15:59:24] RoanKattouw: 1.14.0 [15:59:34] svip: No... [15:59:38] Hm. [15:59:40] Marco27: "This extension was developed and has been tested on MediaWiki 1.6.10 only." [15:59:51] That's a long time back [16:00:04] Things have changed, Marco27. [16:00:17] Most extensions on mediawiki.org are probably horribly broken. [16:00:22] lol, this one fails because of a change in PHP, not MW [16:00:27] It uses $user->mId [16:00:29] ok, thanks... [16:01:36] well how about this question then, what is insertSelect supposed to do exactly? (Database.php) [16:02:03] OverlordQ: It's supposed to run an INSERT ... SELECT query [16:02:12] If you have no idea what that is, look it up in the MySQL manual [16:02:34] Oh it's very simple actually [16:02:37] insertSelect ($destTable, $srcTable, $varMap, $conds, $fname= 'Database::insertSelect', $insertOptions=array(), $selectOptions=array()) [16:02:58] 03(mod) Option to suppress attribute links in result tables of #ask - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17376 +comment (10dan.bolser) [16:03:00] "simple" [16:03:08] This grabs rows from $srcTable (table name) that satisfy $conds (array of conditions), and inserts them into $destTable (table name) [16:03:27] $varMap maps field names from $srcTable (keys) to field names in $destTable (values) [16:03:49] another error, sorry ;) : with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditUser output is: Fatal error: Call to undefined method Language::getSkinNames() in MyWikiDirectory/extensions/EditUser/1.14/EditUser_body.php on line 524 [16:04:02] This is actually simpler than the SQL syntax IMO :D [16:04:05] *OverlordQ files @ bz [16:04:33] Marco27: I think that's extension rot as well [16:05:11] We should create a "Don't use this extension unless your mad" template for MW.org [16:06:21] RoanKattouw: Ok, thanks :) [16:08:09] 03(NEW) DatabasePostgres missing insertSelect wrapper - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18909 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (overlordq) [16:08:09] \o/ [16:08:11] 03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384 (10overlordq) [16:12:42] How would you create pages with a mix of protected and user content? [16:13:08] Transclude templates? [16:14:59] transclude anything actually could work, couldn't it ? ^^ [16:15:41] huuuuurm [16:16:36] 03(mod) Import strips angle brackets on some installations (libxml2 entity bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554 (10moissinac) [16:18:34] Is there a better way to include protected content that varies from page to page than a template? [16:21:38] why is it a bad way? [16:21:39] a phpBB3 forum with locked posts ? [16:21:44] :roll: [16:22:27] Could a page be protected, but use some kind of comment-ing extension? [16:24:53] You mean like a talk page? [16:26:13] or a protected page including unprotected templates :) [16:26:30] seems weird though >_> [16:26:53] most people work the other way 'round :/ [16:28:00] 03(NEW) Setting "{{#ask: ... |link=none}}" works, but "{{#ask: ... |link= none}}" does not. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18910 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dan.bolser) [16:28:21] Platonides: For what it's worth, in my situation, I'd like to have thousands of pages with mixes of protected and user editable content. My concern with templates is that each of the thousands of pages would need its own template, which would create a certain amount of "page" overhead. Having said that, I do not know how sensitive MW is to page overhead. Does that make sense? [16:29:51] 03(mod) Import strips angle brackets on some installations (libxml2 entity bug) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554 (10innocentkiller) [16:30:44] kingsley you can transclude subpages, and of course give a link to each transcluded subpage where it is transcluded (the "root" page) [16:31:03] kingsley, your best best is probably to have each page protected, with an unprotected template in it. [16:31:07] as for limitations, believe me, you won't have much of a problem :) [16:31:20] If you really want this. [16:31:20] Simetrical just as i said ^^ [16:31:23] Not much of a wiki, though. [16:31:34] [18:26:08] or a protected page including unprotected templates :) [16:31:34] [18:26:24] seems weird though >_> [16:31:34] [18:26:47] most people work the other way 'round :/ [16:31:51] Doing it the other way wouldn't work, users could just remove the template call. [16:32:04] yep [16:32:22] unless abusefilter with !rlike [16:32:27] :/ [16:34:31] Simetrical & Alphos: You pose reasonable questions. I'd like to use MW to let peers review scientific research results. It would be an improvement to peer reviewed scientific journals. The protected original research would appear at the top of pages, and user changeable reviews and comments would appear below. Does that make sense? [16:34:55] A CMS/blog sort of thing would be a better bet, most likely. [16:35:03] MediaWiki isn't great for commenting or discussion. [16:35:18] 03(NEW) parameter handling in Special_Ask - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18911 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dan.bolser) [16:35:35] kingsley: consider drupal for example (separate permissions for articles ("nodes") and comments) [16:35:54] or wordpress [16:36:07] or most blog-oriented CMS [16:36:31] or a mailing list / newsgroup :) [16:36:49] Simetrical: I'm interested in your suggestion of protecting each page, and including an unprotected template within them. Can you transclude unprotected templates? [16:36:57] Yes. [16:37:40] kingsley, to be honest, subpages would be a bit more "logical" [16:37:50] You'd still be including them as templates. [16:37:53] Same thing, really. [16:38:08] and above your {{/subpage}} transclusion, just add a link towards it [16:38:26] [[:/subpage|link to the subpage]] [16:38:51] Yes, I investigated other CMS and blogging tools. However, at the moment, it seems to me that MW has the best balance of features and stability. [16:40:35] Simetrical: Is my assumption correct that different pages should transclude their own editable templates, to avoid overlap? [16:40:50] I'm not sure what you mean. [16:40:58] precisely kingsley [16:41:25] which is why i advised a "subpage" organization method [16:41:31] easier to find... [16:48:29] *kingsley reads about subpages... [16:48:44] 03(ASSIGNED) DatabasePostgres missing insertSelect wrapper - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18909 +comment (10greg) [16:51:38] Alphos: Do you happen to know how to only display search results for protected pages, which include editable sub or transcluded pages, but not display search reults for the editable sub or transcluded pages by themselves? [16:52:21] well, you could simply put these subpages in the talk page of your "root" page [16:52:35] and search only in NS_MAIN [16:53:04] but anyone would be able to search in the NS_TALK if they wanted to [16:53:42] (and find those pages, or they couldn't read, let alone edit...) [16:54:28] they could be denied the access to search/read other namespaces [16:54:31] but to be quite honest, the simplest way would be to use the talk page whenever you have to [16:55:47] Alphos: My thoughts on sub pages are evolving. If my understanding is correct that subpages are included and written once, and only once, could I not include the same empty but editable subpage in each and every one of the thousands of protected pages, and then delete the subpage? [16:57:49] Alphos: Your suggestion of the talk page makes a certain amount of sense. My only concern is that it seems to me that it would be easier to review material that's currently displayed. [16:59:55] 03(mod) DatabasePostgres missing insertSelect wrapper - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18909 (10overlordq) [17:03:21] 03(NEW) latex and spanish projects (sine function wrongly displayed) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18912 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (pdsanchez) [17:04:36] [18:55:42] Alphos: My thoughts on sub pages are evolving. If my understanding is correct that subpages are included and written once, and only once, could I not include the same empty but editable subpage in each and every one of the thousands of protected pages, and then delete the subpage? /// you mean one include at a time ? [17:04:45] kingsley: well, mediawiki doesn't look like a tool to do the job. separate talk pages are not probably what you want; template transclusion will make things only compilcated. [17:04:59] first month, subpage included in that page, etc... [17:11:44] Alphos: I'm not sure that I understand your question, but if it helps, I'm wondering if I could write a shell script that automatically creates thousands of wiki pages, each with it's own unique and protected content, and each with its own user editable region. (I'm wondering if the user editable regions could all be created by a subpage or transcludes.) Then I'd import the whole bunch in WM. Does that make sense? [17:12:30] It's a strategy for bootstrapping a site. [17:12:49] well, suit yourself [17:13:05] there are bots frameworks available... [17:16:32] 03(NEW) Widgets that use 'validate' modifier break the site on PHP < 5.2.0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18913 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Widgets; (sergey.chernyshev) [17:17:07] kingsley: Yes you can. [17:17:31] Simple bots you can create using say the pywikimediabot framework. [17:17:52] There are other more complex bots like the one for AboutUs and name.wiki.Com and LyricWiki. [17:18:31] We have one on Fan History. The coding is pretty basic and uses the pywikimediabot framework. The code we wrote was 41 lines long. [17:18:48] 03(NEW) Get rid of compiled_templates folder and use MW cache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18914 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Widgets; (sergey.chernyshev) [17:20:49] LauraHale : made my own, multiple tools around multiple uses, approx 50KB total [17:20:58] nothing like homemade :p [17:21:35] (yeah, i'm french, how d'you know ? :p ) [17:21:50] We have a bot that is adding abotu 100,000 articles at the moment. :) [17:22:06] Mostly because we'd add it by hand but it takes forever that way. [17:22:24] ^^ [17:22:35] Did a bot that added about 1600 articles from a database we had compiled. Plugged the new type of articles in a few places and had some one come in... [17:22:53] ... added about 200 new pages, uploaded about 100 files, edited about 300 of those articles. [17:22:59] We were beyond happy. :) [17:23:03] 03(NEW) Page-wide Widget variables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18915 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Widgets; (sergey.chernyshev) [17:23:23] Course, all of this depends on what the wiki is for, who the audience is, etc. Some wikis that might not be the ideal solution for. [17:23:51] don't worry, one of the tools was simply parsing all articles, from ! to ZZxyZZ, searching for links, and checking for 40X 50X unknown, etc... [17:24:37] Ours is adding articles about episodes of television. [17:24:41] another one looked the "celebrities" sections of french towns, checked for redlinks and short lines with no link [17:24:44] LauraHale: I'm naturally curious, and especially so about your successful experience with creating content with bots. [17:24:59] http://www.fanhistory.com/ [17:25:18] And it isn't so much content as stub content and a framework which makes getting people to help contribute. [17:25:25] just to remove by hand the unavoidable "hey, I live there ! Yay, i haxed wikipedia, i roxx" [17:25:47] We created a number of stub articles about movies. One of my friends loves movies and knows a lot about movie fandoms. She doesn't know much about wikis. [17:26:13] Creating an article out of the nothing would be a challenge... but since we had articles about movies she knew, it was easy for her to basically plug and play. [17:27:03] We have idiots who insert stuff by hand. Probably any active wiki with out realy controls to dictate who can edit gets it. [17:28:23] As a practical matter, are there command line tools that would allow bots to be written in a shell scripting language, like "bash" for example, or must one use python? [17:28:42] PHP, Perl [17:29:08] There are other frameworks. I think ne is written in C++ [17:29:44] 03(mod) Rewrite revision delete related messages to allow better localisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18578 summary; +comment (10siebrand) [17:29:54] "We have idiots who insert stuff by hand." [17:29:56] Pretty much any language with a CLI can be a bot [17:29:58] Thats an awesome quote [17:30:08] Agreed, Reedy [17:30:25] The python one just seems easier because you can see other code and not figure it all out by hand. :) [17:30:32] 03dale * r50982 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libEmbedVideo/ (mv_baseEmbed.js mv_javaEmbed.js mv_vlcEmbed.js): fixed java embed: play, pause buttons and overlay [17:31:29] Though I say that and I tend to either hire a bot developer or beg some one to do it for me. :D [17:33:38] Emachman: I'd like to learn more about using pretty much any language with a Command Line Interface to write a bot. [17:34:06] kingsley: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MAKEBOT [17:34:17] Emachman: For example, what commands might a shell script call to add content to a wiki? [17:34:42] Well, not bash, but languages such as python, perl, php, c++, all can be used to write a bot [17:35:13] kingsley: if you want to write a bot using the Unix shell, cURL is probably the best way [17:38:18] flyingparchment: Are you thinking of the command named "curl" that can be used to transfer data to a server? [17:38:43] kingsley: yes, the command-line interface to cURL is the curl command [17:40:29] flyingparchment: Very good. Perhaps I'll google for curl, bot and MW. Thanks. [17:41:42] *kingsley ponders the considerable bot functionality at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Using_the_python_wikipediabot [17:41:43] 03(NEW) Math Markup doesn't print out in PDF export. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18916 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (toni.kalajainen) [17:46:11] The bots named "upload.py", which uploads images to wiki, and "pagefromfile.py", which creates pages from textfiles, look like what I need. Perhaps I could write a script the creates images and wiki code for protected pages with user editable subpages, and call the aforementioned bots to add the content to a new site. [17:47:42] *kingsley also notes the existence of a bot named "delete.py", which evidently deletes pages en masse, and which could be useful while debugging my code. [17:51:06] isn't there a special page in mediawiki where you can edit all the settings? [17:51:19] can't find any reference to such a page in the documentation [17:51:23] nope [17:51:31] maybe I'm thinking of an older version of mediawiki? [17:51:32] there are extensions to do it i believe... [17:59:51] [[extension:Configure]] [18:03:12] 03siebrand * r50983 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 17093) Separate date and time in Special:BlockList [18:03:18] 03(FIXED) Block log messages need date and time of expiry separated. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17093 +comment (10siebrand) [18:12:55] 03(NEW) Add user group membership to Special:CentralAuth/Username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18917 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (mikelifeguard) [18:15:12] 03(NEW) Special:CentralAuth/Username should output a sortable table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18918 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (mikelifeguard) [18:19:46] Hello Everyone, Made a local installation of mediawiki Successfully. But the installation is successfull. When i try to edit the main page and save it. It gives Fatal Error Message [18:19:49] Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /home/arunreddy/www/mediawiki/includes/SpecialPage.php on line 163 [18:19:59] !memlimit | arunreddy [18:19:59] --mwbot-- If you're getting out-of-memory errors, raise PHP's memory limit to 20M or 40M. The memory limit is set in php.ini (as memory_limit) and possibly overridden in LocalSettings.php with ini_set('memory_limit', '20M'); [18:20:18] Thans. [18:26:59] 03siebrand * r50984 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ (StablePages_body.php UnstablePages_body.php): Pass optional parameters 2 and 3 for 'protect-expiring' [18:32:27] 03siebrand * r50985 10/trunk/extensions/AuthorProtect/AuthorProtect.php: Pass optional parameters 2 and 3 for 'protect-expiring' [18:36:14] 03(mod) Ignore tags from deleted filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18908 (10cenarium.sysop) [18:39:11] how to solve redirect loop problem? im using mediawiki version 1.14.0 and getting this error after configure a virtualhost on apache httpd 2.2.3. [19:04:16] 03dale * r50986 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (2 files in 2 dirs): updated sample embed [19:05:57] 14(WFM) double control bars on the player - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18893 +comment (10dale) [19:13:41] 03(NEW) Provide database dumps of just article namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18919 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (matthew.britton) [19:15:24] hi room! [19:16:25] i'd love your advice on creating several wikis for different languages. [19:16:55] Should I have on DB with a prefix for each language, or a different DB for each language? [19:17:14] What would you do? [19:21:19] flyingparchment: Can you direct me to a sample shell script that uses curl to add content to a MediaWiki? [19:21:25] no [19:33:22] 03(mod) use wgContLang to ignore returnto=Special:UserLogout by login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18799 (10umherirrender_de.wp) [19:40:44] 03kim * r50987 10/trunk/testing/installer/ (LICENSE getch.py installer_util.py): Extra license data [19:46:22] I [19:46:30] oops, sorry. Trying again :) [19:46:47] I'm extracting certain page revision from our wiki for documentation [19:47:04] with index.php?action=render [19:47:20] however, even if I retrieve an older revision, current templates are used [19:47:26] which is not appropriate at all times [19:47:31] Matt_, I would go with one wiki/one database per language and a wgSharedDB for the user/group relations ... see: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSharedDB [19:47:35] any ways to change that? [19:48:27] you might also need to set $wgCookieDomain, Matt_ [19:48:55] LauraHale: Why did you add content with a bot instead of the wiki_import script? [19:49:05] thanks Kephra! i'm checking out http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wiki_family [19:50:09] pronik: i don't think there is, no. a full "time warp" feature for mediawiki, which would use old versions of templates and images when rendering an old revision of a page has been discussed several times, but i don't think we have it. [19:50:23] Splarka has a user JS for it IIRC [19:50:30] pronik: however, afaik work in that direction was done wrt the flagged revision extension. [19:50:38] But since it's lunchtime Splarka is probably asleep ^^ [19:51:38] Duesentrieb: thanks, I'll look into flags [19:52:11] pronik: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851 [19:52:33] oh yeah, thanks [19:52:41] was closed as "not implementable" in 2005... [19:52:51] maybe it should be discussed once more some time :) [19:53:20] kephra, but wouldn't it be nice to update all settings at once? [19:53:39] Duesentrieb: I'm probably the wrong person to tackle it ;) [20:00:56] Duesentrieb: cheapest way to get from London to Berlin and back? :) [20:01:11] easyjet [20:01:14] lol [20:01:27] Is that cheaper than Eurostar + TGV? [20:01:31] by far. [20:01:55] confirmed [20:02:10] Would I leave London Saturday morning, come back Sunday morning/afternoon? [20:02:28] you could, if you want to.,. [20:02:36] or you could come earlier and send some more time in B :) [20:02:38] London-Berlin is what, two hours? Maybe three? [20:02:48] well I'm doing it properly with my girl later in the year :) [20:03:13] by jet? 90 min flight or so i think. 1 hour time zone offset [20:03:50] 2hrs40min [20:04:12] really? didn't seem that long. [20:04:32] hmm, it's about 110 pounds return by easyjet [20:04:50] Trains probably aren't gonna be much cheaper, if any [20:05:00] sorry, 1hr 40 minutes, but they are an hour ahead [20:05:12] EasyJet is not always that cheap. [20:05:15] yea, that's more like it [20:05:18] Depends on what airport you take. [20:05:19] hmm [20:05:28] I took an EasyJet flight to Oslo from London. [20:05:30] there's a budget airline search engine I had a while ago [20:05:44] compare ryanair. [20:05:54] the two are usually cheapest on that route. [20:05:58] I know lots of budget airline search engines, too bad they're all in Dutch :D [20:06:00] what would accommodation be like? Couild I borrow a couch? :) [20:06:02] The cost to get to the out of the way airport, then to get to the other out of the way airport to the center of oslo? It ended up costing more than had I booked a flight to Oslo's other airport. [20:06:15] werdna: i get you a couch no problem [20:06:26] awesome :) [20:06:26] http://www.mobissimo.com [20:06:31] That is the search engine I use. [20:06:48]