[00:02:24] JNSamuel: You should really be using much more restrictive permissions if possible. [00:07:36] roberthl, why, if it's just a web server? [00:07:47] Oh, wait, *everything* is writable. [00:07:49] Never mind. [00:07:56] Doesn't make a big difference, still. [00:08:11] Depends if it is shared hosting or not. [00:08:42] At the moment anyone on the server could stick mess about with the wiki. [00:10:14] If it's owned by www, I doubt it's shared hosting. [00:10:18] it's my server, i only use it [00:10:43] Well its fine then, sorry. [00:46:16] 03(mod) Search should index template expansion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18861 (10conrad.irwin) [00:51:04] to whoever has access to change the channel topic, rafb paste no longer esist [00:51:08] exists* [00:51:38] -t [00:53:49] huh? [00:55:07] DeFender1031: channel is -t, meaning anyone can change the topic [00:55:28] Who's going to be bold and pick the new pastebin :P [00:55:35] ah [00:55:54] *Skizzerz is bold [00:56:02] was going to suggest that one too :) [00:56:06] i was gonna do that [00:56:16] well, rafb suggets it as well [01:23:08] 03(mod) Default MediaWiki:Confirmrecreate produces incorrect output when the delete reason was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18937 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [01:23:08] 03(mod) SVG rasterisation on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901 (10mikelifeguard) [01:24:45] oh come on that has *everything* to do with svg's [01:40:48] hi!i've upgraded mediawiki from 1.10 to 1.14 and now its not reading the
tags and some layouts are broken..do you guys have any idea why? [01:45:57] anwar, what happens with
tags ? are they displayed ? [01:46:05] or just not treated ? [01:46:42] do you see "<center<" appear on your screen ? [01:47:25] 03aaron * r51040 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.php CheckUser_body.php): Added $wgCheckUserForceSummary and removed some code duplication from r50638 [01:49:21] 03(mod) Show "Date format" on Special:Preferences in current time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17947 (10jidanni) [01:49:23] ah, AaronSchulz do I smell another wikimedia bureaucratic enforcement for an extension used by projects not associated with wikimedia, awesome [01:50:09] how dare an extension get a feature that someone might not use [01:50:14] well it is a config var off by default [01:50:25] off by default, i see [01:50:26] not sure what that enforces exactly [01:50:27] aaron [01:50:31] oops [01:50:31] *charitwo quits complaining [01:50:54] *Splarka inserts a comma between "quits" and "complaining" [01:51:00] . [01:51:18] naughty, Splarka... :p [01:51:42] how do i subscribe to a google group without creating a google account? [01:54:17] ah, found it.. that's pretty well hidden [01:54:51] [question]: when an article contains content from another GFDL page, there's a template in the English wikipedia which is placed at the articles talkpage in order to give attribution that the content is taken from somewhere else. Can someone point me to this template? [01:55:11] If you were a wristwatch store owner, would you freeze all your wares on [01:55:11] your birthday, or use the current time? [01:55:28] What a stupid analogy. [01:56:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuBmiu68ECU [01:56:18] hmm, some strange scenes there [01:56:49] "wristwatch store"? does such a thing exist? [01:57:20] They have kiosks in the mall in the U.S. [01:57:32] usually they use current time [01:57:38] Oh, and Swatch I guess. [01:57:39] perhaps an hour or ten off [01:57:51] but the wristwatches are generally running [01:57:55] That's because they're demonstrating that their products work. [01:58:07] Special:Preferences is _only_ demonstrating format. [01:58:14] Which means it can use current time or any other time. [01:58:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch [01:58:31] You'd think that would be a disambiguation page. [01:59:53] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/51002#code-comments [02:00:01] hehe, a fixme'd revert [02:00:55] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests#Jidanni [02:02:31] :o [02:05:05] *AaronSchulz looks for a Heaven instrumental-only [02:11:43] 03(mod) Oversight failure on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18817 (10JSchulz_4587) [02:20:13] 03aaron * r51041 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: (bug 18747) Show only page deletion log extracts, not revisiondelete ones [02:20:21] 03(FIXED) deletion log shown on page re-creation is filled with useless individual revision supression entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18747 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [02:31:57] 03dale * r51042 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): firefogg updates [02:32:19] 03(NEW) Allow IP addresses blocked with "Prevent email" flag to also affect accounts using that IP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18942 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (nakonwiki) [02:33:00] 03(NEW) Special:MostLinkedPages gives Fatal error on call to getPrefixedDBkey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18943 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (software) [02:51:22] 03(mod) Show "Date format" on Special:Preferences in current time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17947 +need-review +patch; +comment (10jidanni) [03:01:46] 03(mod) Allow IP addresses blocked with "Prevent email" flag to also affect accounts using that IP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18942 (10nakonwiki) [03:01:55] 03(mod) Allow IP addresses blocked with "Prevent email" flag to also affect accounts using that IP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18942 +need-review +patch (10nakonwiki) [03:30:01] anyone around that can help review [[bugzilla:18942]] ? en.wiki has someone abusing the email feature through open proxies [03:30:45] nakon: not just enwiki [03:31:10] Mike_lifeguard: they've moved beyond en.wiki now? [03:31:12] *nakon sighs [03:31:52] dunno if it's the same one, but there have been two people abusing email cross-wiki in the past few weeks [03:35:10] anyone have any info on short url redirects in iis? anything with a ":" seems to die even with the mod rewrite - i've checked the Manual:Short_URL/IIS6 but it doesn't seem to work - hoping there is some more info that i haven't seen yet [03:36:48] 14(DUP) Allow IP addresses blocked with "Prevent email" flag to also affect accounts using that IP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18942 +comment (10mrzmanwiki) [03:36:59] 03(mod) Special:Emailuser doesn’t check whether user’s IP is blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18860 +comment (10mrzmanwiki) [03:37:18] | |- | |- |- | |- | |- | |- | |- | |- | |- |} [03:37:19] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port [03:37:23] oops, fail :P [03:37:32] (While googling for "define:port") [03:38:27] heh [03:38:28] nice [04:54:04] 03(NEW) add prefs-help-nickname - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18944 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (jidanni) [04:59:14] 03yaron * r51043 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/SpecialReplaceText.php: Fixed major bug in which textareas weren't getting displayed in IE [04:59:30] 03yaron * r51044 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ (README ReplaceText.php): New version: 0.6.3 [05:01:52] 14(WFM) Special:MostLinkedPages gives Fatal error on call to getPrefixedDBkey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18943 +comment (10mrzmanwiki) [05:30:22] 03tstarling * r51045 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php User.php): Reverted r47352, $wgRateLimitsExcludedIPs is to be replaced by APCOND_ISIP. [05:32:44] 03tstarling * r51046 10/trunk/phase3/index.php: Reverted r50065, restInPeace does this since r49684. [05:34:20] 03(mod) Must check $wgEnableEmail before showing ANY email related preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18760 +comment (10jidanni) [05:41:19] oh noes, not pastebin.com... it's so slow :( [05:44:51] hmm, what else [05:44:52] we could abuse http://p.defau.lt/new.html [05:45:13] *Splarka wonders why domas has google-analytics there [05:49:16] 03(mod) Special:MostLinkedPages gives Fatal error on call to getPrefixedDBkey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18943 (10niklas.laxstrom) [06:02:34] Huh. [06:02:41] I didn't know they were indexed... [06:11:02] 03tstarling * r51047 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Implemented save/restore logic for sql_big_selects, per CR comments on r50168. [06:18:09] 03tstarling * r51048 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTreeFunctions.php: Fixed r51002 by also reverting r49856. [06:41:30] 03(mod) Special:Random always calls the same Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18904 (10soeren.dohmen) [06:48:11] 03(mod) RevisionsBeforeDiff hook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18856 (10bebraw) [06:48:45] 03(mod) Nonexistent category pages show useless preview on first edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18879 (10matthew.britton) [06:51:24] 03tstarling * r51049 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: [06:51:24] Style changes only, no functional changes. [06:51:24] * Ran stylize.php [06:51:24] * Added more braces, moved "else" keywords to the same line as the previous closing brace [06:51:24] * Reduced vertical whitespace [06:52:07] 03(mod) maintenance script to populate rev_len field for old revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18881 summary; +comment (10matthew.britton) [07:21:06] 03tstarling * r51050 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: [07:21:06] * Double-validate integers to avoid SQL injection risk [07:21:06] * Handle images with zero pages gracefully, without SQL errors [07:26:39] + $label = $wgContLang->convert( $label, true ); [07:26:44] does not look like fixed yet :O [07:27:36] 03(NEW) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: DynamicPageList; (g.m.hagedorn) [07:39:26] 03(mod) In combination with MW 1.16 alpha, newest SVN DynamicPageList2 breaks general layout through error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18924 (10g.m.hagedorn) [07:40:40] 03(NEW) Contact information for mailing lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18946 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (flominator) [07:42:44] interesting [07:43:09] not sure why it didn't just give a conflict [07:45:44] 03tstarling * r51051 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTreeFunctions.php: One more convert call, not sure where it came from. [08:07:39] Hello. Does anyone knows if {{#ifexist: }} resolves interwiki links??? [08:07:41] example: {{#ifexist: w:esWTF | si | no }} [08:07:42] Is there any way to make it work?? [08:07:55] no it doesn't and no there isn't [08:08:16] if only every question in this channel were so easy [08:08:59] lol [08:09:14] :( [08:10:16] and... any way to make something like this? [08:10:54] programming languages are very expressive, pretty much anything is possible [08:13:10] easy....ish in javascript [08:13:29] importScriptURI can make an api query (no XSS probs with jsonfm and callback) [08:13:37] it must be used in wikinews [08:13:54] to other domains or language sisters? [08:13:56] file a bug report [08:14:04] don't give him ideas, splarka [08:14:21] heh heh [08:14:50] Tim: I once suggested wikinews could randomly API-call the main page with action=purge (logged in users only) to keep it updated [08:14:54] they didn't do it though [08:15:27] *Splarka is sure it is an open bug anyway, ifexist/interwiki that is [08:15:43] good, saves typing [08:15:45] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10237 [08:15:49] not even wontfixed [08:15:53] rizome can just vote on it [08:16:39] I've never been in Bug# pages... [08:16:46] what can I do there? [08:16:49] :$ [08:17:02] well, that bug has enough attention I think [08:17:47] rob, brion, roan, and simmy have commented on it [08:19:43] no patches though [08:23:58] *Splarka humms [08:24:16] so Tim: in response to {{USERNAME}} and such oddness, you often say "just use javascript" [08:24:32] but since it is wikinews, and since it is hacky, not a good solution in this case? [08:25:15] what's the big deal with {{username}} ? [08:25:29] anon users get left out (or exposed), cache sucks [08:25:55] I don't think using the API is a good solution, I think it should be done with a DB query [08:26:01] that would be much much faster [08:26:12] aside: {{REVISIONUSER}} is basically {{USERNAME}} for anything that has no revision data.... Special:ExpandTemplates, Special:Code, preview, many system messages (Newarticletext and editnotices, heh) [08:26:34] but that sort of thing is needed in order to be substable, apparently [08:26:43] any way to disable that trick for anything but preview and subst? [08:27:25] Splarka: I ment what it is useful for? [08:27:50] "{{USERNAME}} is a fag" [08:27:57] (on Uncyclopedia anyway) [08:28:12] I'm not convinced [08:28:24] well, see the dozen bugs about it [08:29:31] too lazy [08:29:51] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4196 [08:29:54] Zarro Boogs found. [08:30:30] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4725 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5738 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5737 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7397 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10202 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10336 [08:30:35] you didn't look very hard [08:30:49] I put {{username}} into search box [08:31:09] heh [08:31:16] well they're all dupl/wontfix [08:31:20] I'm still not convinced [08:31:22] always search wontfix [08:31:32] about what? [08:32:24] anything [08:32:53] i have been trying to use fckeditor for a few days now and i always had bugs loading it. today i downloaded the nightly builds and ... at least it not giving errors but... it's not also showing ... does anyone have it working ? [08:32:56] well, you don't need to be [08:33:04] {{REVISIONUSER}} does what it does already, and there won't be a {{CURRENTUSER}} anytime soon [08:33:28] all I am suggesting is to make {{REVISIONUSER}} not act like {{CURRENTUSER}} so much for non-rev applications [08:33:56] also [08:34:41] most of the suggestions would require that {{CURRENTUSER}} acted like a real magic word [08:34:55] at most it would be past-parse constant... [08:36:07] Tim: possible to make quicksearch look for WONT and DUPL too? might save a lot of dupes [08:36:33] people can't seem to fathom that someone already asked for the same feature and were refused [08:37:36] no ideal [08:37:42] try reading the manual [08:37:50] *werdna waves [08:37:51] morning [08:37:51] tl;dnr [08:37:56] I know, make werdna do it! [08:38:06] he's the hot new young bugzilla administrator cruising for a reputation [08:38:13] eee [08:38:21] s/ideal/idea/ [08:49:30] 03(FIXED) AbuseFilter for English Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18896 +comment (10agarrett) [08:52:08] everyone, LiquidThreads is active on http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Main_Page [08:52:08] please try to break it [08:52:50] *Splarka wants Bose-Einstein condensate threads [08:53:09] *werdna wants Splarka dead [08:53:18] $5 [08:57:57] Hey, anyone awake? [08:58:05] !ask [08:58:05] --mwbot-- Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp [08:58:38] Well I feel welcome already. [08:58:52] Yeah I was wondering if it's possible to install Mediawiki to a computer? [08:59:06] to install Mediawiki to a computer? [08:59:06] it's just easier for us to actually answer questions than it is to constantly say we're here :) [08:59:09] what do you mean ? [08:59:14] as opposed to a phone? [08:59:15] where else would you install MediaWiki? [08:59:17] Like to goof around with on my own? I just like the markup and the look, I don't need it on a server for the world to see, nor edit. [08:59:23] !install [08:59:23] --mwbot-- Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [08:59:25] !xamp [08:59:25] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "xamp". You might try: !access !charinsert !export !rights !safemode !wiki2pdf !xampp [08:59:29] !xampp [08:59:29] --mwbot-- XAMPP is an easy to install bundle of Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, and more stuff, available for all popular operating systems - see . For installing MediaWiki on XAMPP, see and also . [08:59:48] Imagawa you need to have mysql and httpd [08:59:58] right, which can be provided by XAMPP [09:00:07] yah for the lazy [09:00:09] Alright, well I'm a bit technically behind, so if you don't mind, can I babystep through a few questions? [09:00:15] sure [09:00:18] Like first of all is what I'm talking about possible? [09:00:23] yes [09:00:32] but you will turn or computer into a server [09:00:36] Awesome. Lemme read some of those links then. [09:00:42] Really. Like for others to use? [09:00:43] you will have to run services [09:00:58] thats up to you. if you open the box to others or not [09:01:05] you can bind everything to 127.0.0.1 [09:01:19] Hmm... so I'd be able to run this wiki on my computer with no internet? [09:01:24] werdna: edit doesn't seem to do anything [09:01:25] of course [09:01:38] Alright, and like, how much hard drive space do you suppose that would take? [09:01:47] for what the wiki [09:01:48] ? [09:02:02] Sure. And the MySQL and anyhting else it requires. [09:02:11] the wiki is about 100mb after extraction [09:02:23] ok, not bad at all [09:02:29] mysql will depend on your DBs [09:02:38] werdna: I lied, you can edit, but not change the section title, that normal? [09:02:40] you can run it all under 200mb [09:03:00] ona very old computer like 200mhz and 100 mb ram [09:03:03] if you wish [09:04:15] ahh, like Wikimedia hosts all the non-english wikipedias on [09:04:52] lol [09:05:06] OverlordQ: eh? [09:05:29] no lol Imagawa . it's true [09:05:30] see #wikipedia lol :( [09:05:39] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Software_appliances - I struggled through this and I'm getting that there's like a little program I can download and run that will just make everything magically install ok? Is that right? And does it include MySQL or do I have to build up a base first? [09:05:58] get xamp [09:06:05] it will give you everything [09:06:11] since you know nothing [09:06:16] D: [09:06:20] !xamp [09:06:20] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "xamp". You might try: !access !charinsert !export !rights !safemode !wiki2pdf !xampp [09:06:25] !campp [09:06:25] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "campp". [09:06:29] or you can get everything separately [09:06:33] !xampp [09:06:33] --mwbot-- XAMPP is an easy to install bundle of Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, and more stuff, available for all popular operating systems - see . For installing MediaWiki on XAMPP, see and also . [09:06:36] php / mysql/ apache [09:07:30] 03ashley * r51052 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/ (UpdateProfile.js UserProfilePage.js): SocialProfile: rewrote some js bits to be less dependent on YUI [09:08:10] How do you guys keep track of all the version numbers and decimal points? Pretty impressive lol [09:08:33] you are a windows user ... [09:08:42] *HeXiLeD laughs [09:09:38] MediaWiki XB Rhenium [09:11:02] or like windows: numbers -> years -> events -> combinations of letters -> generic locations -> numbers [09:12:18] 03ashley * r51053 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/UpdateProfile.js: SocialProfile: minor fix [09:12:58] 03shinjiman * r51054 10/trunk/extensions/DynamicPageList/DynamicPageList2.php: Update the DPL codebase to 1.7.9, fixes bug 18924, thanks Gero for the patch. [09:14:14] Aight I now have a .gz file, how can I open that? [09:15:11] 03(FIXED) In combination with MW 1.16 alpha, newest SVN DynamicPageList2 breaks general layout through error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18924 +comment (10shinjiman) [09:16:16] Ah, 7zip gets it. [09:16:46] that does not have to do with mediawiki Imagawa . i [09:17:15] Sorry? [09:19:36] 03(mod) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 (10happy-melon) [09:20:28] it's quite brutal and amazing that no one in the planet is using fckeditor with mediawiki 1.16 [09:22:57] 1.16 has only existed as an SVN concept for a few weeks (since 1.15 was branched), not even Wikimedia is scapped up to it [09:23:14] and fckeditor is spooky... [09:23:23] it's the only one witht does not give errors with fckeditor [09:23:26] so it seems [09:23:35] but at least now it's loaded [09:23:41] i just cant seem to make it show [09:25:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Streamlined_Windows_Install_Guide#Easy_simple_.22lazy_man.27s.22_setup_.28using_XAMPP.29 - ok, so here I am stuck at step 3. WHen I extract it doesn't give me a folder, just a .tar file [09:25:42] Imagawa if you dont even know how to use regular software you should not try to install server applications [09:25:48] The step says I should do something with the extracted folder, but I don't have one, at least not the way I do it [09:25:50] tar is like rar or zip [09:25:57] at least google for it [09:26:10] So, gz is a zip, and unzipping that will give me another zip that I have to unzip? [09:26:21] how do you expect to settup a database if you dont know how to unpack a "rar/zip/pack/file" [09:26:28] gz is compression, tar is archive [09:26:32] how wuill you create mysql db ? [09:26:46] Well the page says the script does it for me. [09:27:06] tar is what OverlordQ said. [09:27:17] i just simplified it to u [09:27:29] you need to read stuff. start by docs [09:27:42] Ah, there it is [09:27:53] Probably could have just told me "unzip it again" :) [09:28:13] ok so options to fckeditor ? tiny ? isnt it buggy ? [09:28:43] Imagawa it's windows for you right ? so click on stuff... and stuff will happen [09:28:54] and then take it from there ;) [09:32:36] Well dang. It won't even let me connect to myself. [09:33:16] #mysql #httpd [09:34:38] 03(mod) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 (10happy-melon) [09:35:45] Is it normal to get a bunch of gibberish on the screen along with the normal mediawiki skin? [09:35:56] Like small type coding in the background? [09:36:24] what's actualy written? [09:36:30] rtfm [09:36:43] Do you mind if I link a screenshot? [09:36:48] no, go ahead [09:40:59] 03(NEW) LiquidThreads thread renaming silently fails if user is not allowed to move pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18947 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett) [09:42:42] http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu34/Somebodee22/Halp.png [09:43:04] hello! I am looking for someone to develop/extend a multilanguage extension to mediawiki. is this the right place to look? [09:43:24] looks like there's a file missing the leading not parsing the php [09:44:05] also read the warnings during installation [09:46:22] I tried to get around not being able to connect to localhost, guess I did something wrong in the process. [09:46:30] I'll just have to figure how to be able to connect to myself. [09:46:39] Thanks for the help anyway werdna. [09:47:08] did you create the database? [09:47:43] Imagawa, which XAMPP solution did you use ? [09:47:57] mediawiki developpers looking for a job can mail me at contact0911@pg21.org [09:48:04] 5 to 1, the answer is "none" [09:48:12] petaflot what kind of extension ? [09:48:30] "multilanguage" is just vague enough... [09:49:17] Imagawa ? [09:49:43] Alphos: multilanguage. but not quite the same as multilang. I would like to integrate automatic on-the-fly as well as human translation. I already wrote down some ideas, needs to be thought a little better but that would need better knowledge of the mediawiki than I actuala have [09:50:01] Hold on, some folks on the internets are saying I should try putting Mysql and such on another drive than C:, so I'm gonna try that [09:50:13] eheh [09:50:19] windows folks? [09:50:21] Imagawa, do you have php.exe installed ? [09:50:38] e.g. WAMPServer2, EasyPHP ? [09:50:52] or even a real php.exe [09:50:53] moving the installation of mysql will not do anything Imagawa [09:50:59] Nope, and I'm guessing that's not in XAMPP is it [09:51:31] it is [09:51:33] you need apache/php/mysql [09:51:35] but did you install it ? [09:51:40] apache or another [09:51:42] Yeah I did [09:51:55] Alphos: it should allow a user to specify the different languages he speaks, in order to show him the best human-written version of the article. if none exists, propose an automatic translation [09:52:33] Alphos: it should also ideally warn users when a section of a page is modified in another language [09:53:32] Imagawa which one did you install ? [09:54:06] I'm not sure if this is what you're asking but I installed the one linked, and the installer version, not the zip or... the other one [09:54:13] I forget what the third one is [09:54:30] Imagawa: that can be a problem... [09:54:40] ok, let me rephrase... did you install a XAMPP solution (nothing to see with mediawiki) ? [09:54:49] Yeah I did [09:54:56] did you configure it ? [09:55:18] Probably not [09:55:18] cause it all looks like php code is simply NOT executed at all [09:55:21] http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-windows.html#641 [09:55:29] which happens when php isn't active [09:55:36] Imagawa: create a page with only in it [09:55:37] exactly [09:55:59] open the notepad Imagawa and create a file with that [09:56:01] Imagawa: you'll know very quickly if php is working or not [09:56:02] oh, other question [09:56:08] is the application active ? :) [09:56:10] Alright, I may not know what I'm doing but let me see if I can fake it and get back to you [09:56:16] Yeah I have XAMPP up [09:56:30] installing ain't all, it also has to be launched ^p' [09:56:45] petaflot do you use fckeditor ? [09:57:20] petaflot, not including the brackets right? [09:57:22] HeXiLeD: vim rules :-) [09:57:41] Hold on I'll google it [09:57:45] petaflot he is a windows user that doesnt even know what .tar was ;) [09:57:46] Imagawa: you must inclue the brackets [09:57:58] petaflot vim for him... will kill him :P [09:58:00] ouch [09:58:14] HeXiLeD : what country is that ccTLD for ? :p [09:58:17] that could be good ;-) [09:58:17] *Alphos runs [09:58:37] funny [09:58:41] i know [09:58:46] eheh [09:58:49] ^^ [09:59:12] but [09:59:15] Country name for .CC is Cocos (Keeling) Islands [09:59:31] ;) [09:59:39] doesn't tell me where .tar is :p [09:59:54] bdw, do you guys know of anybody in barbados? i'd like to buy a .bb domain but I need an adress there [09:59:55] probably in the north see, loads of petrol there [10:00:06] Now I put the phpinfo.php into the mediawiki folder I created don't I? [10:00:08] petaflot nop [10:00:18] 03(NEW) Default LQ colors are ugly (no offence) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18948 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (foxyloxy.wikimedia) [10:00:30] Imagawa: something like this yes [10:01:02] then open that file with your browser, it should show you a few tables with congiuration options [10:01:10] 03(NEW) LiquidThreads allows threads to be moved to pages without LiquidThreads enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18949 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett) [10:01:18] if you just see the text you types, php is not executed [10:01:43] i don't know of any xampp solution installed and up within an hour for a newb [10:02:03] so you might want and read the manual for your XAMPP... [10:02:18] cause right now, it looks like nothing is up [10:02:19] I have a friend who found something that ran decently... but I can't remember the name [10:02:27] 03(mod) LiquidThreads colours are ugly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18948 summary (10agarrett) [10:02:30] Eh, I faked my way through high school and college, I'm sure I can do it for this. [10:02:39] WAMPServer2 rocks [10:02:40] thats why you cant [10:02:52] One thing though, when I tried to delete the xampp folder it wouldn't even let me. Is that normal? [10:02:53] EasyPHP a little too bug-ey [10:02:55] you are not trained to develop creative ideas [10:02:55] heheh [10:03:21] Imagawa: what xampp folder? [10:03:34] system folder, web folder, other.. ? [10:03:46] C:\ XAMPP [10:03:48] define folder Imagawa [10:04:09] 03(NEW) Clicking link for an invalid thread gives fatal errors instead of graceful failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18950 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett) [10:04:24] hmm. not knowing anything about xampp that doesn't really help me [10:04:31] 03(mod) Colour-dependent positioning errors in SVG rasterisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18936 (10t_edwards) [10:05:17] You know what? It doesn't even matter. Editthis.info is back up now. [10:05:29] 03(NEW) You have new messages message wont go away - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18951 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (overlordq) [10:06:28] Thanks for the help guys, your courtesy and sensitivity is especially appreciated Hexiled. [10:06:48] no problem . just saving you time [10:07:13] *OverlordQ finds it hilarious [10:07:36] i learned something [10:08:12] if you cant use a .tar file .... no way ... you will setup apache/php/mysql [10:08:22] maybe he was on 'nux and didn't know [10:08:43] we should have told him "$ aptitude install php" [10:08:44] nah, he was trying to unpack mediawiki [10:08:55] 03(NEW) Add signature-like (wikipedia-esque) options to LQ, allowing styling and name changing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18952 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (foxyloxy.wikimedia) [10:09:11] cause honestly, php code just wasn't interpreted [10:09:16] OverlordQ: that was nice of you to wait until he was gone :-) [10:09:28] Not laughing at him [10:09:30] laughing at HelL`oFF [10:09:35] oops tabcompletion fail [10:09:38] HeXiLeD [10:09:51] we all come across not known file extensions sometimes. i google for it [10:10:57] anyway, toodle loo... [10:11:03] lunch at grandma's [10:11:23] have fun [10:11:35] will do [10:11:51] im stuck with fckeditor. gotta try others [10:15:13] fckeditor is the best I've found until now [10:15:18] i agree [10:15:20] but still I don't like it [10:15:57] I guess there are those who like wysiwyg, and those who definitely don't [10:15:59] older wiki versions and fckeditor seem to work... ( havent tried yet, but read about it ) [10:16:12] true [10:16:29] fck messed the code, and that's a reason I don't like it [10:16:37] *messes [10:17:05] what do you think about tinymce ? [10:17:45] right now i can only load the sample editor and java only. not php [10:17:48] I quite like tinymce [10:17:50] it's cool [10:18:02] not for wikis, just for html [10:20:20] 03(mod) Special:Random always calls the same Page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18904 (10soeren.dohmen) [10:20:34] didn't know about it.. seems to work nicely [10:20:46] but again, I didn't look at the code it generates [10:21:24] ok, gotta go [10:21:29] have anice day [10:31:18] i got progress ehehe [10:34:03] http://s23.org/wikistats/largest_html.php is down? :/ [10:34:04] Hello. [10:34:08] Or just my computer. [10:34:11] Hello Kazuto [10:34:27] Having a bit of trouble getting my wiki to work. [10:35:03] I put it in as an addon domain, and now it's saying it doesn't exist. [10:38:04] I don't understand that [10:38:12] LauraHale: very slow at least [10:38:36] werdna: I remember you from last time. [10:38:59] o rly [10:39:25] Ya, rlyt. [10:39:27] rly* [10:40:16] *Kazuto was probably known as Zexion last time. [10:41:12] *werdna shrugs [10:41:16] lots of people pass through here [10:42:11] Slow kind of sucks but oh well. [10:43:18] werdna: Mind if I PM you? [10:44:54] Kazuto: depends on what it's about :/ [10:45:17] Well, hoping I could get help. [10:45:24] werdna are you taking requests? :) [10:45:41] ^^; [10:46:18] Nevermind. [10:46:39] Does anyone know why an addon domain isn't working right? [10:46:57] "addon domain" isn't a real thing, it's a term used by your ISP or hosting provider. we don't know what it means [10:47:11] It's a cPanel feature. [10:47:15] Kazuto: asking in public is your best bet [10:47:22] rainman-sr: you want me to repool search11? [10:47:31] cpanel.. some web hosting software? still don't know what it means [10:47:38] or you want me to play 'Love Shack'? [10:47:39] Basically, instead of having a subdomain, you can have a domain point to the directory. [10:48:12] Okay, the problem I'm having is that when I go to the domain, I get a 404 error, saying '/w/index.php' doesn't exist. [10:48:15] love shack love shack! :)) [10:48:20] werdna: freaky, that song is on the radio here right now [10:48:40] no, err, someone needs to do this with sudo on search11: http://pastebin.com/m3fa5fa84 [10:49:02] and i'm having tough time catching mark :) [10:49:34] rainman-sr: I'm not a root [10:49:35] ask flyingparchment :) [10:50:06] :/ [10:50:32] eh i know that he usually doesn't want to fiddle with it :) oh well, wait for mark or rob then [10:51:40] 03shinjiman * r51055 10/trunk/extensions/Call/ (Call.php Call_body.php): [10:51:40] Update the Call codebase to 0.7 [10:51:40] written by Algorithmix [10:51:53] Um.. okay, then. [10:51:53] *werdna looks for test subjects [10:52:02] *rainman-sr off to read papers [10:52:28] *Kazuto guesses early mornings are not the best time to get support. [10:52:39] it's midday here [10:52:50] Early-morning here. [10:53:10] Been trying to work on my site. [10:54:21] And now when I try to mess with MW, I get screwed. [10:54:50] it sounds like your problem is to not caused by mediawiki. perhaps you could ask your hosting provider why the script isn't found [10:55:08] It works fine when I go to it normally. [10:55:36] which again suggests the problem isn't with mediawiki [10:55:49] '/w/index.php not found' means MW is not even being invoked [10:56:36] hey, how come my chainsaw won't start? I tried refueling it, cleaning the carburator, removing the air filter, checking for obstructions, new fuel line [10:56:43] oh, I guess it isn't a good time to get help here [10:56:45] what a useless channel! [10:57:51] my splarka isn't working, it keeps making sarcastic comments on irc instead. i've tried refuelling it, and whacking it over the head. what's wrong? [10:58:09] flyingparchment: have you tried whacking it over the head with a chainsaw? [10:58:59] flyingparchment: I think you want #mediawiki [11:06:30] is this where the naked ladies at? [11:07:29] *Lloir goes quiet [11:07:59] *Lloir dances around naked [11:20:38] 03(NEW) Fatal error when new LiquidThreads thread subject is invalid as a page title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18953 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett) [11:28:06] 03(mod) Default MediaWiki:Confirmrecreate produces incorrect output when the delete reason was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18937 +comment (10happy-melon) [11:37:15] 03shinjiman * r51056 10/trunk/extensions/Call/ (Call.i18n.php Call_body.php): follow up r51055, fix up i18n for Call extension [11:44:44] 03shinjiman * r51057 10/trunk/extensions/Call/Call_body.php: follow up r51055 and r51056, remove unused function loadMessages(). [11:52:21] 03(NEW) Allow Special:Log to be filtered by log_action as well as log_type - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18954 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (happy-melon) [12:44:59] 03werdna * r51058 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LiquidThreads.php: Comments [12:46:14] 03(NEW) Abuse Filter reports empty "old_wikitext" in namespace==6 (images), while in fact there is old wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18955 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (fvanlamoen) [12:55:55] [13:06:26] is this where the naked ladies at? [12:55:55] [13:07:57] * roberthl sets mode: +b %*!*@cpc4-gors1-0-0-cust94.swan.cable.ntl.com [12:55:59] I guess not... [12:56:14] lol [13:31:28] <__neo__1> hi guys [13:31:36] <__neo__1> any idea why creole isn't part of mediawiki? [13:32:23] <__neo__1> I mean, this would be usefull if I want to transfer my data from dokuwiki to mediawiki [13:33:38] what is creole? [13:34:26] <__neo__1> http://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:creole [13:34:48] <__neo__1> Creole is an initiative to bring a common basic set of wiki markup to different wiki engines [13:36:06] __neo__1, because nobody's written the code. [13:36:44] It would probably be an enormous pain, since our parser has bits hardcoded everywhere. [13:36:47] Like messages that use wikitext. [13:40:38] Creole, however, does treat line breaks in the source as line breaks in the output. [13:40:41] uh oh [13:41:03] *Nikerabbit not likes creole [13:41:23] <__neo__1> hmm..the thing for me is choosing a wiki for my personal use [13:41:33] <__neo__1> I was thinking of mediawiki and dokuwiki [13:42:15] <__neo__1> mediawiki however, I see uses also a bigger memory footprint - it crashed when I've installed on a 16Mb limited hosting [13:42:49] <__neo__1> now I really don't know what to think...I mean mediawiki has such a large community [13:43:10] <__neo__1> but I fail to understand what it's power is [13:44:51] <__neo__1> I mean, I know maybe I'm ignorant, but really, I don't know what are it's best features compared to the other wikis [13:45:40] <__neo__1> please help me understand..at least just a bit of the puzzle [13:46:02] 03raymond * r51059 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/languages/DT_Messages.php: Follow-up r51036: Add message for the new right [13:46:37] MediaWiki is a huge package with tons of features. [13:46:41] It's not at *all* lightweight. [13:46:59] 03aaron * r51060 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialBlockip.php: reverted r49742 per CR; also it doesn't handle subpages anyway [13:47:21] However, it's more likely to have various random features than most other wikis, with some major exceptions -- like WYSIWYG and granular permissions handling. [13:47:33] Just because it's so huge and so widely used. [13:47:53] __neo__1: have a look at simpler ones like usemodwiki or phpwiki [13:48:08] If you only have 16M of RAM, I definitely don't recommend trying MediaWiki. :) [13:48:09] personally I like zwiki but that requires zope (!= lightweight) [13:48:35] <__neo__1> thanks guys for the help! [13:49:13] <__neo__1> until now I've tried oddmuse but got tired of coding in php for having rights in-place [13:50:10] <__neo__1> I see in the hosting I have with 16Mb dokuwiki works well and takes about 4-5Mb [13:51:15] <__neo__1> how do you see dokuwiki compared to the others(mediawiki, usemodwiki or phpwiki)? [13:57:02] hi is it possible to insert links in messages files ? [13:58:51] because I did it and it appears like this : [[Special:Userlogin|Log in/create account]] [14:00:06] uh [14:00:15] is there an extension to protect all pages by default ? [14:00:35] !rights | HeXiLeD [14:00:35] --mwbot-- HeXiLeD: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [14:04:13] Hi, I'm trying to modify the title of a page, I'm doing it with the "move" button [14:04:26] but I get a message that says "You are not allowed to execute the action you have requested." [14:04:31] even though I created this page ... [14:06:04] !upload [14:06:04] --mwbot-- File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true to enable it. See for configuration details, and for using uploaded images and other files. [14:08:12] kwame: There's no sense of ownership on a wiki [14:08:57] !email [14:08:57] --mwbot-- For more information about MediaWiki e-mail extensions, see . [14:09:21] no smtp extension ? [14:09:49] to do what? [14:10:02] send mail? [14:10:06] OverlordQ: then why would I get that message? [14:10:18] yes upon user registration to have him confirm the reg [14:10:21] OverlordQ: and my other question is, what's the correct method of renaming a wiki page? [14:10:35] kwame: Likely because whoever runs the wiki disalows page moves for certain groups [14:10:37] !wg SMTP | HeXiLeD [14:10:37] --mwbot-- HeXiLeD: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSMTP [14:11:29] awesome. now .. does it work with SSL + auth and gmail? [14:12:05] some appz require patches for that [14:18:26] OverlordQ: when I make a change fo LocalSettings.php [14:18:37] does this requiere an apache restart for this file to be re-read ? [14:18:42] no [14:19:08] 03yaron * r51061 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_UploadWindow.php: Slightly rearranged Javascript includes so that Common.js can work [14:20:36] 03yaron * r51062 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_ParserFunctions.php: Let '\n' represent newlines in #arraymap and #arraymaptemplate's 'new delimiter' argument as well [14:22:17] 03yaron * r51063 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_Settings.php: Updated YUI URL [14:22:18] do we have an extension manager extension ? [14:23:08] OverlordQ: does it make a difference that the page I'm trying to rename it's a "special page"? [14:24:13] 03(mod) Can't open documents from Internet Explorer (IE) address bar thru img_auth.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18858 (10GregUbben) [14:26:24] kwame: special pages cannot be renamed... but they shouldn't have move tab in the first place [14:26:38] 03yaron * r51064 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_LinkUtils.inc: Fixed bug in handling default forms for namespaces [14:28:14] 03yaron * r51065 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormField.inc: Added 'category' and 'categories' inputs to lists of possible input types [14:37:43] 04(REOPENED) Special:MostLinkedPages gives Fatal error on call to getPrefixedDBkey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18943 +comment (10software) [14:41:20] so anyway .. i got fckeditor to work . even with 1.14, still have little issue there but it loads now [14:45:09] 03yaron * r51066 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: Added messages for RunQuery page [14:59:35] !navigation [14:59:35] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "navigation". You might try: !purge !sidebar [14:59:43] !sidebar [14:59:43] --mwbot-- To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [15:05:22] !purge [15:05:22] --mwbot-- To purge a cached page, such as when making changes to the navigation bar, add &action=purge to the end of the page url, or ?action=purge if using Simple URLs. E.g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge [15:08:13] !update [15:08:13] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [15:11:28] 03(NEW) Import sources on el.wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18956 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (assassin07gr) [15:23:35] I want to edit Special:Upload to display extra fields, rather than just a description field, then the data inputted from those fields gets combined into a single template. Does that make sense? Is it possible? I don't need hand holding, just a link to some how to would be nice :) [15:25:21] 03(mod) Firefox crashes when trying to play the video - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18926 +comment (10dale) [15:27:29] 03(mod) Irrelevant stream sources are displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18927 +comment (10dale) [15:28:10] !LanguageCode [15:28:10] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "languagecode". [15:28:13] !Language [15:28:13] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "language". You might try: !api !betawiki !colon !langlinks [15:28:21] !langlinks [15:28:21] --mwbot-- Language links are links to translations of the same article on another wiki. For information on how to set up language links, see [15:28:29] !api [15:28:29] --mwbot-- The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at . For client libraries in various languages, see . [15:30:32] !images [15:30:32] --mwbot-- For instructions to use images in MediaWiki, see . For more technical details about image uploads, see and . Note that uploads are disabled per default (see !uploads). [15:32:52] Hi all, I just want to know if there is a way to create pages that are password protected to give a few user only access to these page ?! If there is a name to that feature i will be able to go search for it after. Thanks in advance [15:37:56] 03(mod) Pause button doesn't pause the video - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18928 (10dale) [15:37:58] 03(mod) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 +comment (10gero.scholz) [15:38:46] 03(mod) pause button stops the video instead of pausing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18894 (10dale) [15:40:53] svn: Working copy '/Users/andrew/wm-svn/extensions' locked [15:40:53] svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) [15:40:54] ugh [15:41:10] 03(mod) Upload form should prevent submission of filename with disallowed extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16414 (10dale) [15:41:17] 03yaron * r51067 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_Utils.inc: Redirect form can now take URLs as well, to work for 'RunQuery' [15:44:06] !cache [15:44:06] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "cache". You might try: !filecache !memcached !purge !refresh [15:44:13] !memcached [15:44:13] --mwbot-- Using memcached can speed up your wiki and is required by certain features. Read more about memcached at [15:44:38] !filecache [15:44:38] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:File_cache [15:46:00] !refresh [15:46:00] --mwbot-- Your browser saves copies of pages it views so it doesn't download them again next time. This is usually good, but it can take several days to update CSS and JavaScript when they change. To force it to update ("refresh") in Firefox, press [CTRL] and [R] at the same time; for other browsers and more information, see . [15:47:56] 03yaron * r51068 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Added handling for RunQuery page and 'includeonly free text' option [15:51:08] 03yaron * r51069 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Added Admin Links hook [15:52:02] 03yaron * r51070 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/README: Added credit [15:52:16] Nokio:http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PasswordProtected [15:53:54] 03(NEW) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (dasch_87) [15:54:54] 03yaron * r51071 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_RunQuery.php: New special page [15:56:09] 03(mod) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 15enhancement->trivial (10raimond.spekking) [15:59:45] 03yaron * r51072 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Added utility function for 'RunQuery' page [16:11:39] 03werdna * r51073 10/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [16:11:39] Reimplement Special:MoveThread with the new HTMLForm interface, fixing several bugs in the process: [16:11:39] * Bug 18949 LiquidThreads allows threads to be moved to pages without LiquidThreads enabled. [16:11:39] * You could move a thread to the page it was already on, which would leave strange placeholders that don't make sense. [16:11:39] * Allowing wikitext in some new places where it makes sense. [16:12:36] 03(mod) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 (10dasch_87) [16:13:04] 03(FIXED) LiquidThreads allows threads to be moved to pages without LiquidThreads enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18949 +comment (10agarrett) [16:13:27] 03(mod) Clicking link for an invalid thread gives fatal errors instead of graceful failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18950 (10agarrett) [16:14:39] 03yaron * r51074 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_RunQuery.php: Initialized variable [16:15:45] 03yaron * r51075 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: Fixes for RunQuery messages [16:17:54] 03werdna * r51076 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (Lqt.i18n.php pages/ThreadPermalinkView.php): (bug 18950) Clicking link for an invalid thread gives fatal errors instead of graceful failure. [16:17:55] \o/ [16:18:17] 03yaron * r51077 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Renamed message value [16:18:39] 03(FIXED) Clicking link for an invalid thread gives fatal errors instead of graceful failure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18950 +comment (10agarrett) [16:38:26] 03yaron * r51078 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_RunQuery.php: Added more initializing of variables [16:40:14] 03yaron * r51079 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Removed 'disabled' check from RunQuery form util [16:57:49] 03(mod) add prefs-help-nickname - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18944 (10brion) [17:01:46] 14(INVALID) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 +comment (10brion) [17:03:44] 03(mod) Allow Special:Log to be filtered by log_action as well as log_type - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18954 +comment (10brion) [17:04:57] 03(mod) Import sources on el.wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18956 (10brion) [17:16:03] 03(mod) External links should skip the scheme if it's the same as the site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18889 (10brion) [17:22:19] 03(mod) Upload errors display pseudo-paths with 'public', confuse users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13812 (10brion) [17:41:19] 03dale * r51080 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): some firefogg fixes [17:59:06] hello everyone, i am totally new to wikis . I need to know : does mediawiki support page permissions, ACL ? [18:06:49] 03(NEW) reuse $wgDisableLangConversion to be able to disable the conversion entirely - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18958 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (shinjiman) [18:06:57] 03(mod) The toggle defined in $extraUserToggles won't display in the user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18870 (10shinjiman) [18:19:48] 03(mod) reuse $wgDisableLangConversion to be able to disable the conversion entirely - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18958 +comment (10brion) [18:23:54] 03tparscal * r51081 10/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/main.css: Corrected the padding of the siteNotice box. [18:27:32] 03(mod) Special:MostLinkedPages gives Fatal error on call to getPrefixedDBkey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18943 +comment (10software) [18:43:25] Hi all, When i read in a doc that "This can be done at [[MediaWiki:Nosuchuser]]" what is [[MediaWiki:Nosuchuser]] and how to access it ?! :p thanks in advance [18:44:43] 03siebrand * r51082 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php: Support PLURAL for pfunc_string_too_long. Is that escape really needed - it's a number? [18:45:03] Nokio: that is a wiki page which provides text for the user interface [18:45:28] 03(NEW) Personal Per_Book gadget hardwires "/wiki/" into javascript name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18959 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Gadgets; (dnessett) [18:46:16] Nokio: you can edit it like a wiki page (it is fully protected though, you'll need to use a sysop account) [18:47:45] Mike_lifeguard, ok sounds good that what i though i understood. Now the only thing that i dont understand is how to access that page as sysop. my wiki can be reach using url:mwiki so would it bo something like mwiki/MediaWiki:Nosuchuser or something like that :p [18:48:11] 14(INVALID) Personal Per_Book gadget hardwires "/wiki/" into javascript name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18959 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [18:48:27] /index.php?title=MediaWiki:Nosuchuser&action=edit [18:48:31] or just click the edit tab [18:50:07] Mike_lifeguard, ahhh that good now i understand how to use that kind of thing hehe thanks a lot and have a nice day! [18:50:18] hi Mike_lifeguard [18:50:29] no problem :) [18:50:33] Nikerabbit: heloo [18:55:20] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/7/75/InterprojectLinks_screenshot.PNG [18:57:44] 03(NEW) mvTextInterface.js error on loading CMML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18960 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (GChriss) [19:01:57] vvv: ? [19:03:29] Nikerabbit: I've implemented bug 708 [19:04:02] oh [19:04:17] so finally can have mile long left sidebar? [19:06:09] Not really. Interwiki has more potential of making it heck long [19:06:22] Also, right now it has ugly syntax [19:07:40] 03nikerabbit * r51083 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialMostlinked.php): * (bug 18943) Handle invalid titles gracefully at Special:Mostlinked [19:07:46] vvv: what's the syntax? [19:11:44] hi Duesentrieb [19:14:25] Nikerabbit: {{#sister:wikipedia|page}} [19:14:32] :o [19:14:37] 03(mod) Special:MostLinkedPages gives Fatal error on call to getPrefixedDBkey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18943 (10niklas.laxstrom) [19:14:43] vvv: that's not politically-gender-neutral :) [19:14:52] 03(mod) Wanted Page entry: Invalid title in result set; - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18071 (10niklas.laxstrom) [19:14:56] 03(mod) Anchors produce empty pl_title values in pagelinks table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17713 (10niklas.laxstrom) [19:15:35] Nikerabbit: tell it to one who called them "sister projects" (in Russian, they are "brother projects") [19:15:44] vvv: haha [19:16:10] {{#{{GENDER|brother|sister}}:wikipedia|page}} [19:16:21] *vvv wanted to commit it but he cannot find his SSH key [19:16:42] looked under ~/.ssh ? [19:18:59] No, it can't be there. At least because I use Windows. I have recently screwed up HDDs of 2 computers, and a backup server had its HDD broken about half a year ago. I found Toolserver key on flash drive, but SVN key doesn't seem to be there [19:20:22] 03(mod) Upload errors display pseudo-paths with 'public', confuse users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13812 (10Emufarmers) [19:29:56] evening all [19:35:01] werdna: bug 18763 is nasty. [19:39:23] Hi all, I am trying mediawiki i read a lot about it and i still have a lot to learn :p. What i would like to do is to have like 95% of the wiki available to everyone. And by default mediawiki do it just fine. And the other 5% like maybe 1 or 2 pages I would like to have user rectriction (Only 2 user that would be able to see and edit the page) Is it possible to do this ? [19:40:04] you can easily prevent editing [19:40:18] hiding the article contents is not easy [19:40:41] okay [19:41:06] is there a wiki page about what do to to hide an article content ?! [19:41:29] nope [19:42:37] :p [19:42:43] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown#Hiding_pages [19:43:01] I think i read somewhere that its not supported or was not mean to be used like it is that right ?! [19:43:35] yes [19:43:47] mediawiki was not designed to do so [19:46:00] Okay well thanks a lot for the information ill go read a little bit more aobut it [19:46:01] thanks [19:46:45] have a nice day [19:47:01] almost night already :) [19:49:17] true but stile :p have a nice of what remain of the day hehe [20:05:05] I fixed the problem. [20:05:18] But now another rose. [20:06:56] Bugzilla is broken. Cannot submit a new issues, or get query results. [20:07:09] In the .htaccess, do I keep it as /w/index.php?title=$1 or /index.php?title=$1 if it's in the root? [20:08:19] siebrand: I cannot even access bugzilla [20:08:38] ialex: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ will load. [20:09:08] siebrand: well, acessing a bug doesn't work [20:09:17] +c [20:09:27] ialex: yes, I can confirm that. [20:09:39] ialex: I'm trying to submit a bug before I forget about it... [20:11:32] @.@ [20:12:13] It loads fine for me [20:26:37] First, congrats on the mobile version driving Wikipedia... (is this the right channel for those kudos)? Second... and brion_ and friends knew I was going to ask this :) ... are there dumps of this new content? [20:27:18] setuid: are you talking about en.m.wikipedia.org ? [20:28:24] Yes [20:28:53] all of the content is from enwiki I think... [20:28:54] tomaszf, Here's what I started 3 years ago: http://projects.plkr.org/encycloplucker/ [20:28:57] that's all the work of Hampton Caitlin. you can find him on #wikmedia-mobile [20:29:10] unless you mean the code running it [20:29:10] Nobody there [20:29:49] its a quiet channel right now but i do see four people [20:30:00] Not a single person in the channel [20:30:31] ah, you typo'd ;) [20:31:04] #wikimedia-mobile :) [20:31:31] setuid: what new content? [20:31:47] brion_, New layout, slimmer content delivered to client-end [20:31:54] same content [20:31:56] Not "new" content, content is the same, just "leaner" [20:31:56] right [20:32:06] Not just a css view though [20:32:09] that's just a reformatter proxy :) [20:32:26] And where is that living these days? :) [20:32:30] so no, there's no dumps because there's nothing to dump [20:32:49] http://github.com/hcatlin/wikimedia-mobile/tree/master <- i believe this is ye code [20:32:55] I've got the dumps and dumper stuff, and had to modify the hell out of the mediawiki templates to get "my" slim view, but yours is a bit cleaner [20:33:22] it fetches pages from the wiki and does some reformatting [20:33:29] there's no different content or templates [20:33:48] Yep, cloning the repo now [20:34:14] I'll play with this, its nice... now if I can use this to recreate the Plucker version through a local proxy, at however many weeks that takes per-language, that would be great [20:35:07] 03(mod) Contact information for mailing lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18946 +comment (10cbrown1023) [20:35:30] 03siebrand * r51084 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php FileDeleteForm.php ProtectionForm.php): Fix a usability issue on protect and [file ]delete forms. "Edit ... reasons" link now contains action=edit to save a click. [20:35:57] setuid: hcatlin@wikimedia.org if you wanna poke hampton with any questions :D [20:36:27] 03(mod) Option to suppress attribute links in result tables of #ask - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17376 (10christian.illy) [20:37:31] brion, I'll stash that away... might be coming back to this very soon :) [20:38:02] I still never heard back from... vishal about reuse of the Wikipedia copyright [20:38:19] 03(NEW) "Restore all default settings" should be a button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18961 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (siebrand) [20:39:10] vishal's no longer with the company :) [20:39:14] since like a year and a half ago [20:39:16] 03(mod) Contact information for mailing lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18946 (10brion) [20:39:25] hit Kul at kwadwha@wikimedia.org for such questions [20:40:20] Ok, correcting my task's notes on that point... thanks [20:45:09] 03(mod) Contact information for mailing lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18946 (10cbrown1023) [20:50:38] 03(mod) Multiple search terms are not enforced properly for Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8445 (10jidanni) [20:53:53] I was muted on wikipedia-no, just for talking there about wiki-stuff (that the son of a former minster, flums, tried to stop me from writing about a norwegian pizza brand, grandiosa, since one of his employers, stabburet, told him to stop me. another admin, Jeblad, then covered this up, explained it as a 'practical joke') [20:54:14] i try to bring up this case on wikipedia-no, but am just being muted [20:54:24] wondering what to do [20:54:46] Not to tell us about it on MediaWiki software channel [20:54:53] well, probably asking in a software development channel won't help you much [20:55:21] brion: may you read my private message? [20:55:35] software development? [20:56:17] john_cons: yep. This is support and development channel of MediaWiki engine. For Wikimedia foundation you'd better use #wikimedia [20:56:53] ok, i'll try that then [20:56:59] sorry about that [20:57:03] Try #wikipedia-no [20:57:15] That is the Norwegian language support channel on IRC. [20:57:22] thats where the problems were you see [20:57:26] they just muted me [20:57:34] they didn't want to deal with it [20:57:40] but thanks anyway [20:57:42] bye [21:00:43] Huh. [21:01:01] Oh well. [21:01:24] moin [21:01:40] stupid question [21:02:54] I run a public wiki. Can I run on the same server also an wiki which is readable/edit only by authorized user? [21:03:08] yoyo[RKN]: yes. [21:03:08] or can I make it also as part of the existing wiki? [21:03:14] !family | yoyo[RKN] [21:03:14] --mwbot-- yoyo[RKN]: To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: and . [21:03:20] !access | yoyo[RKN] [21:03:20] --mwbot-- yoyo[RKN]: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [21:04:11] yoyo[RKN]: it is possible to restrict access to only some parts of a wiki, but this isn't guaranteed to be completely air-tight with respect to read permissions [21:04:29] !e Lockdown | yoyo[RKN] [21:04:29] --mwbot-- yoyo[RKN]: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown [21:04:40] but: [21:04:47] !secrets [21:04:47] --mwbot-- MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. See also !lockdown [21:04:49] :) [21:06:02] we will not store passwords/bank data there [21:06:57] we will just discuss team internales which we make public later [21:07:22] but thx, I have to read all urls now ;) [21:09:43] mdale: ping? [21:10:01] 03(mod) Allow Special:Log to be filtered by log_action as well as log_type - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18954 (10happy-melon) [21:10:20] hi siebrand [21:10:30] Duesentrieb: hey Daniel. How's life? [21:10:59] busy :) [21:12:17] 03(NEW) Special ListFiles has the sorting arrow switched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18962 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (subfader) [21:12:23] brion: you should give Jidanni commit access. He's requested it and promised to work on "basic blemishes" :P (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests#Jidanni) [21:12:42] Duesentrieb: doing a lot of work on wiki word, I see. [21:12:53] 03(mod) Multiple search terms are not enforced properly for Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8445 (10brion) [21:14:06] siebrand: not as much as i would like to do. [21:14:25] Duesentrieb: o, o... [21:14:29] siebrand yo [21:14:54] mdale: hey Michael. Wanted to talk about your request on a mailing list a little more interactively. [21:15:00] sure [21:15:04] And possibly get some feedback here. [21:15:11] sounds good [21:16:25] if people think its better under "mediaWiki" thats fine with me... its just the library "stands alone" so it might have the occasional bug not-related to mediaWiki usage [21:16:30] mdale: about adding the product. If I look at the current products, we do not have 'multiple products' for the same thing. That would be a new concept. [21:16:56] multiple products for the same thing? [21:17:01] mdale: I would expect a lot of misclassified issues in MediaWiki that would have to be set to another product. [21:17:16] oky [21:17:19] mdale: yeah, well, "MediaWiki core php" and "MediaWiki core JavaScript" [21:17:35] or whatever they would be called. Now we only have "MediaWiki"> [21:19:30] mdale: would it be a bad thing if we just added the requested components to the MediaWiki product? [21:19:56] .. its a long list... but sure ;) [21:20:11] fine to add them in there if you want... [21:20:50] mdale: it's adding 9 to the current 33. [21:21:19] for extensions we have 130. [21:21:27] oky [21:21:30] siebrand: since i disagree with jidanni on many things, and he's often unable to articular issues, i wouldn't really want to give him commit access [21:22:02] For the record: oh, yeah :) [21:22:05] that's a polite way of writing it [21:24:03] mdale: OK, could you give the list of components another thought, and mail me the final list, with a short description (can contain oky [21:24:16] excellent. [21:27:04] ohai [21:37:29] 04(REOPENED) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 +comment (10g.m.hagedorn) [21:39:14] if I point a fresh MW 1.14.0 at a database previously populated by a MW 1.7.1. install, does the installation process automatically update the database for 1.14.0 usage? I don't need to run the upgrade script afterwards, do i? [21:40:00] ! upgrading | wmat [21:40:04] !upgrading | wmat [21:40:04] --mwbot-- wmat: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [21:40:09] 14(INVALID) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 +comment (10brion) [21:41:52] ah, thx! [21:42:04] yw :) [21:42:08] hola, TrevorParscal. [21:42:24] 03(mod) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 (10g.m.hagedorn) [21:42:44] hi siebrand ! [21:42:54] TrevorParscal: what's cooking? [21:43:25] working on the new skin [21:44:18] TrevorParscal: ah, the 'usability skin'? [21:45:03] yup [21:45:15] I need to introduce a new message for the skin - that's done in languages/messages/Messages**.php file yes? [21:45:53] TrevorParscal: well, keep it to MessagesEn.php and have the translators take care of the other ones :) [21:45:56] hey Trevor, are those additional search stuffs still in development? [21:46:23] TrevorParscal: also update maintenance/language/messages.inc, and run maintenance/language/rebuildLanguage.php --lang=en afterwards. [21:46:48] TrevorParscal: any mock ups available? [21:46:54] rainman_: I need to get you a mockup of some more tweaks [21:46:57] I have working code for the skin [21:47:05] I'm going to commit it in a bit here... [21:47:11] TrevorParscal: sweet! [21:47:15] 03(mod) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 (10g.m.hagedorn) [21:48:06] rainman_: I want the advanced search options to appear in a gray area - lighter than the bar with search types but just underneath it [21:48:21] yeah andrew was telling me something about that [21:48:21] so it looks like it's expanding the gray bar [21:48:27] 03(mod) Intersection extension missing for bug reports, possible confusion of extension names. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18945 (10brion) [21:48:48] rainman_: also, the vertical alignment of the links in the gray bar is a little off - but that's small stuff.. [21:49:09] yeah, i'm not too good with alignments.. [21:50:07] no worries [21:50:17] but the work you have done is great! [21:51:35] 03(mod) Special ListFiles has the sorting arrow switched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18962 +comment (10brion) [21:52:02] TrevorParscal: where is your skin branch living? [21:52:39] also the thing i think need more work is the following: when you enter a new search term, and click on one of the gray area link, you want that link to point to the new search term... i.e. we need some javascript to always point to new search links [21:52:40] it will be in the repository very soon [21:53:25] let me know once you get to the javascript level.. life will be better if we just target jQuery from the beginning ;) [21:53:56] mdale: right on! [21:54:30] Ooh, work is being started on those skin improvements that TrevorParscal mocked up? [21:54:53] rainman_: do we have an easily parse able log of search queries being sent to any of our syslog servers? [21:55:03] chuck: it's nearly ready for staging [21:55:10] :D [21:55:16] mdale: speaking about branches and stuff... Given that you want to have bugzilla updated, are you planning on merging soon? [21:55:38] *tomaszf is happy to see those mockups be one stop closer to reality [21:55:57] where are the mockups? [21:56:03] siebrand: usability.wikimedia.org [21:56:15] ... yes merging would be good... [21:56:15] I forget the page name, but it should be easy to spot from the main page [21:56:28] chuck: I know the site, can you be more specific? [21:56:38] tomaszf, no, we don't log searches because that will take lots of disk space .. however, i might be tempted to write a udp logger some time soon since many people asked for logs [21:57:00] (i.e. they will take lots of space since the logs are overly informative :) [21:57:18] we already take samplings of our main logs. could do the same for these [21:57:22] "Designs of proposed usability improvements." [21:57:27] under Work In Progress [21:57:39] i'd love to be able to poke at those and use the info elsewhere [21:57:45] then navigation tabs [21:57:46] how hard is it to add that? [21:58:15] i imagine not too hard... [21:58:37] I'm guessing it uses some standard like log4j ? [21:59:21] yes, but those logs get very large even without query logging, i would rather avoid using them for anything else than diagnostics [21:59:25] 03(NEW) Improvments needed for Mediawiki licensing options during setup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18963 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (rohde) [22:00:01] how i would do it is this: have an udp listener, on e.g. searchidx1, and have a thread on searchers that would just send pairs to it [22:00:18] i understand. having a knob to turn on/off to see it would be really cool [22:00:32] that works for me [22:00:43] keep it simple at first [22:00:57] then we can make those public somehow, without hitting i/o on searchers which is bad [22:01:06] indeed [22:01:16] 03tparscal * r51085 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added view message for use in the new Vector skin [22:01:24] actually, i might add that right now [22:01:38] \0/ [22:01:39] awesome [22:02:27] What is the point of logging the search queries? [22:03:14] I'd love to see trends of what our users are looking for [22:03:14] many people asked for it, they want to do all kinds of statistics on it.. not sure how much one can get out of it however [22:03:53] btw this is only search (i.e. when special:search is displayed) [22:04:14] one would need to get "go" hits from squids or such [22:04:23] of course [22:04:25] Ah, I see. [22:04:47] Then maybe someone could make a cool visualisation thing like on labs.digg.com [22:05:08] yup, thats the fun stuff i was thinking about after [22:05:30] especially for events like maker faire [22:06:11] 03tparscal * r51086 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (43 files in 2 dirs): New skin based on MonoBook with improvements inspired by research conducted by the Wikipedia Usability Initiative [22:08:45] TrevorInMeeting: btw, that 'view' message, that's a tab label, verb, right? [22:10:49] 03(NEW) Missing old image version from 070802-F-1234S-006.jpg (reupload problem?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18964 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Platonides) [22:12:26] TrevorInMeeting: Maybe along with the edit section highlighting, there could also be an AJAX in place editor for quicker editing? [22:21:47] mdale: do you want to be the default assignee for issues in those components? [22:21:54] yep [22:22:05] ok. [22:22:40] TrevorInMeeting: Also, I think you forgot to commit the Vector.php and Vector.deps.php files [22:26:24] 03(mod) Upload errors display pseudo-paths with 'public', confuse users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13812 (10michael.daly) [22:29:42] Is the section highlighting already being worked on? [22:30:51] 03yaron * r51087 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Added Javascript-escaping of strings, fix for IE bug with FCK (hopefully) [22:33:12] 03yaron * r51088 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: Added 'sf_formcreate' message [22:36:37] mdale: done. [22:37:06] cool thanks :) [22:37:12] 03(mod) Create a new wikicode element to allow unlinked dates to display as per user prefs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15715 +comment (10matthew.britton) [22:38:11] 03(mod) Upload errors display pseudo-paths with 'public', confuse users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13812 +comment (10Platonides) [22:38:34] 03(mod) Allow display of dates according to date formatting preferences without links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15715 summary (10matthew.britton) [22:44:11] 03yaron * r51089 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormEditTab.php: Replaced last of userCan...'s, set tab to be named 'create with form' if page doesn't exist [22:53:26] 03(mod) Upload errors display pseudo-paths with 'public', confuse users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13812 (10michael.daly) [22:54:43] Hello. [22:55:12] Hi [22:55:18] I couldn't find any info on the web on how to embed a xls into a wiki. [22:56:03] I have resorted to uploading it as a pdf. It still isn't embedded, but rather it is an attachment. [22:56:18] is there a way to embed an xls? [22:57:54] TR0N1C, can your browser show an xls into a web page? [22:58:16] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Embed_Document works with pdf/doc/wav, don't see xls anywhere though [22:58:17] there's no way to 'embed' it [22:58:29] Only lists to 1.12 too.. [22:59:05] it doesn't produce valid xhtml... [22:59:17] and is open to XSS [22:59:22] no. I wouldn't mind exporting to html 1st. I still couldn't find how to embed the html. [22:59:48] [13:42:49] <__neo__1> now I really don't know what to think...I mean mediawiki has such a large community [23:00:08] heh, don't you love the people who come here and say "justify mediawiki! I am gonna use doku/cms/etc" [23:00:16] lol [23:00:40] huh? [23:00:48] Not aimed at you [23:00:52] but this is [23:00:53] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Include [23:01:09] oh :-) [23:01:13] Splarka, its funnier people seem to think a) it can do everything and b) think it should do everything if it cant [23:01:19] 03siebrand * r51090 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (162 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-05-27 22:45 UTC) [23:01:21] thx [23:01:33] Reedy: the funniest part is that people seem to think any developers care if they use it [23:01:39] true [23:01:47] "why should I use it?" ".... you shouldn't, go away" [23:01:53] :D [23:02:33] Splarka, I don't think __neo__1 did a bad thing coming here to ask that [23:02:38] I meant to say funny, not funnier in that statement [23:02:46] I was thinking about using MW for managing a project.. i think trac or similar is going to be better orientated for the purpose.. [23:02:48] after all, he wanted an advanced opinion about mediawiki [23:04:08] still funny [23:04:30] neither is good probably [23:04:44] Platonides: it isn't bad when someone comes to the emergency room with a carrot stuck up their nose, it was the best thing to do, won't stop the nurses giggling [23:05:58] bad analogy is bad ^_^ [23:06:39] saper, aimed at who? [23:08:27] *Splarka ponders #mediawiki as an emergency room... the developers and committers are surgeons and doctors, the bugzilla maintainers are the nurses, the random mw.org editors and sysops of other wikis are orderlies, and the visitors are patients and their immediate family... [23:08:56] 03siebrand * r51091 10/trunk/extensions/ (52 files in 51 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-05-27 22:45 UTC) [23:09:14] Reedy: project management: trac vs mediawiki [23:09:30] I'm not quite using it for project management.. [23:09:40] Not in the traditional sense.. [23:10:16] Its for my 3rd year university software development project.. Want somewhere i can keep stuff together, rather than a load of word documents etc etc littered about my computer [23:12:48] 03(mod) Upload errors display pseudo-paths with 'public', confuse users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13812 (10Platonides) [23:21:29] 03yaron * r51092 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Javascript fixes for FCK with IE [23:21:43] 03yaron * r51093 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.7 [23:26:39] 03(NEW) function importScript() in wikibits.js doesn't globally change all %3A and %2F to '/' and ':' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18965 major; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (dnessett) [23:27:39] 03tparscal * r51094 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (Vector.deps.php Vector.php): New skin based on MonoBook with improvements inspired by research conducted by the Wikipedia Usability Initiative [23:29:37] Yay, thank you TrevorInMeeting :-) [23:30:47] the new skin is called Vector - please feel free to try it out and give feedback to me [23:30:56] tparscal@wikimedia.org [23:32:26] Whoa, new Appearance tab [23:32:44] TrevorParscal: O_O [23:32:51] That skin looks HOT, nice job!! [23:32:59] is there a test wiki somewhere that i can see it? [23:32:59] thank you! glad you like iit [23:33:03] any public access wiki's? [23:33:08] I'm working on it - just a sec [23:33:20] flyingparchment: I could try to forward a port, but I see that TrevorParscal is already on the case. [23:33:21] *flyingparchment should probably set up a local phase3 install.. [23:33:43] :'( Of course MediaWiki starts throwing database errors right when I want to use it [23:33:57] Couldn't the usability wiki use their skin? ;) [23:34:05] we will soon [23:34:09] not since it's on the main cluster [23:34:11] I only commited the code today [23:34:15] until brion scaps, anyway [23:34:27] flyingparchment is correct [23:34:48] lol, i did use the wink for a reason [23:35:54] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/Main_Page [23:36:03] 03yaron * r51095 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: Changed 'articles' to 'pages', per bug report [23:37:49] TrevorParscal, http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia.org/Special:Preferences not logged in, shows "Return to Main Page." [23:38:15] ouch. That guy is beyond annoying... [23:38:23] (Re: mailing list) [23:38:53] Reedy: interesting - what would cause this? (we imported the MediaWiki namespace from en.wikipedia.org to this wiki... [23:39:11] not sure why this would look like this... [23:39:30] I suspect its due to it being "

<b><span id="mw-returnto">Return to Main Page.</span></b>

[23:39:30] " in the html source [23:42:02] Looks alright on http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en-wp/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Returnto&action=edit [23:43:45] anotherone bites the dust [23:44:23] TrevorParscal: I'm not sure about the fading tabs, though [23:44:33] It seems like just a waste of space. [23:45:01] Also, the pop up menu is not working, it opens outside of the viewport so I can't see the options [23:45:15] 03(FIXED) function importScript() in wikibits.js doesn't globally change all %3A and %2F to '/' and ':' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18965 +comment (10herd) [23:45:21] chuck: we needed them to be more visible - after conducting user research we found people were not even seeing them at all [23:45:27] chuck: the actions popup? [23:45:31] Yeah [23:45:39] 03(mod) Enable editors to declare ref body text outside of main article prose. Also Enable editors to control footnote ordering. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18890 +comment (10ssanbeg) [23:45:44] what browser are you using (this is why we are staging! :) ) [23:45:48] fading? popups? does 'usability' == 'moar 2.0' ? [23:45:50] Safari 4.0 [23:45:59] *Splarka thought it meant more simplicity and accessability [23:46:39] TrevorParscal: I agree, the tabs in Monobook are too small, but I don't really see why fading them (which duplicates the space required for the tabs) aids in fixing that [23:47:04] there is also a site-notice which occupied the space above the tabs [23:47:15] Same return to in plaintext after signing up [23:47:37] are you saying you think the header is too tall in general? [23:48:15] [23:48:26] am I right in thinking a set sitenotice will appear there in plain HTML? [23:48:40] or will it be the same as the dismissable (writ in js) [23:49:15] Also (One more gripe ;-), putting the actions (edit, etc) on the far right is a bad idea from a usability standpoint in my opinion. Most languages are read from left to right, and I don't think people are going to notice the edit tab if it's all the way at the extreme right. It would be more noticeable if it was on the left side imo. [23:49:18] what mw needs for accessability is a sitenotice that appears at the top in the rendered page, but is not at the top in the html, /and/ works without javascript [23:50:05] TrevorParscal, does generally look to be a good "start". (start in quotes, as its more than a start, its a first preview etc) :) [23:50:48] section editing - On Editing tab of preferences.. [23:50:54] Edit toolbar is the same [23:52:22] Reedy: we are just finishing up the design process for the toolbar [23:52:43] I was meaning the edit toolbar option in preferences under editing [23:53:10] oh [23:53:14] yeah - what's going on there? [23:53:23] and theres also raw HTML on edit pages [23:53:36] after the GDFL thing [23:53:41] Best asking one of the developers (which i am not) for advice... [23:53:42] *GFDL [23:53:50] Im wondering if its related to the proxy thing thats being used [23:53:57] interesting [23:54:47] unfortunately i dont have a phase3/mw svn testing environment to see if its ok standalone [23:56:54] What's the problem? [23:57:15] oh, tabs on Special:Preferences are broken [23:57:33] work fine for me logged in [23:58:14] chuck, html is being shown on the page. If you look at it in the source its been html encoded "

<b><span id="mw-returnto">Return to Main Page.</span></b>

[23:58:23] Which page [23:58:39] thats on special:preferences when logged out [23:58:51] when logged in, on the editing tab of special preferences [23:58:51] Enable section editing via [edit] links [23:58:53] and [23:58:56] Show edit toolbar (requires JavaScript) [23:59:29] c [23:59:30] Seems to work just fine for me [23:59:39] that on your local svn copy? [23:59:44] Yeah. [23:59:56] Must be the proxy thing thats being used then...