[00:00:14] <agliodbs>	see: http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/HowToTranslate#presskit84.html.translate
[00:00:19] <agliodbs>	how do I fix this?
[00:00:22] <flyingparchment>	charitwo: anyone who doesn't know i have commit access probably doesn't care... and if it matters, i can just say "i have commit access" - like i said, it seems unlikely they would /whois me to find that out
[00:00:34] <Skizzerz>	flyingparchment: but... but... mediawiki/n00b/brion
[00:00:34] <Skizzerz>	:P
[00:00:35] <Skizzerz>	(that was a joke, btw)
[00:01:11] <Subfader>	agliodbs: only a few html tags are allowed. a href is not
[00:01:24] <Subfader>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext
[00:01:32] <agliodbs>	Subfader: I don't want the tags to be processed
[00:01:34] <agliodbs>	those are examples
[00:01:49] <agliodbs>	I want that text to be in unformatted code blocks
[00:02:08] <Skizzerz>	wrap it in <pre>
[00:02:14] <Skizzerz>	<pre>code block goes here</pre>
[00:03:03] <agliodbs>	Skizzerz: seems to work.  thanks
[00:08:34] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51624 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.css: Corrected textarea alignment with other page elements, especially on the right side.
[00:11:42] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51625 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.css: Corrected textarea padding looking funky...
[00:25:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't mention allowing others to contact you if $wgEnableUserEmail=false - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10158  (10jidanni)
[01:31:34] <CIA-79>	03aaron * r51626 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:31:34] <CIA-79>	*Addded top 5 reviewer list
[01:31:34] <CIA-79>	*XHTML
[01:39:07] <CIA-79>	03aaron * r51627 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Follow up to r51465, replaced old index name reference (gave errors)
[01:56:59] <CIA-79>	03soxred93 * r51628 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/SprintfDateCompat.php: Add B and S options to #time:
[02:01:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add border="1" to tables, not just their stylesheets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18829  (10jidanni)
[02:02:46] <CIA-79>	03aaron * r51629 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Tweaked r51626: make sure list is reasonably up to date
[02:22:33] <locsmif>	Hi all. I'm quite the n00b, and I'm playing around with Mediawiki atm. Is it possible to upload multiple versions of an image? (e.g. multiple resolutions)
[02:23:06] <locsmif>	I might want to have a smaller and a larger version at my disposal, to save bandwidth or so
[02:23:47] <chuck>	locsmif: Not really, unless you name them with different names. When you upload the image, I think a smaller version is made to use on the image description page and stuff, and then there's also a higher resolution version available
[02:24:03] <locsmif>	chuck, aha
[02:25:05] <Splarka>	you could of course upload a huge version
[02:25:17] <Splarka>	and then immediately overwrite it with one much more suitable for thumbnailing
[02:25:33] <hippietrail>	for special pages, is the 1st alias the one used on the project rather than the real name?
[02:25:35] <Splarka>	the old one will always be available (unless you delete it) for download, but not for thumbnailing
[02:25:43] <Prodego>	they are usually automatically thumbnailed
[02:25:59] <Splarka>	Prodego: unless they crash the thumbnailer or exceed the memory limit 
[02:26:06] <locsmif>	Splarka, ah, so you can use the file history as a sort of 'database'
[02:26:16] <Splarka>	I'm talking like 20 megapixel++
[02:26:26] <locsmif>	Where are these automatic thumbnails?
[02:26:29] <Splarka>	heh, there is a 99 meg .gif on commons
[02:26:37] <locsmif>	I'm seeing only the full picture atm
[02:26:50] <Splarka>	you have to enable thumbnailing IIRC
[02:26:58] <Splarka>	!thumbnail
[02:26:58] --mwbot--	For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[02:27:15] <locsmif>	Ah, ty =)
[02:34:22] <locsmif>	Hmm, got that all enabled, but thumbnail not appearing yet
[02:34:35] <locsmif>	Convert is active and works, and the absolute path is pointed to in the config
[02:34:50] <Splarka>	[[Image:Someimagename|50px]] ?
[02:36:36] <locsmif>	Yep, that works, so this doesn't mean thumbnailing is automatically switched on for File History?
[02:43:11] <Splarka>	nope, you have to null edit or purge or re-epoch the image descriptions and articles
[02:43:22] <Splarka>	oh, file history, hmm, dunno, try action=purge
[02:48:09] <locsmif>	One more Q: how do I get those extra editing buttons that are on Wikipedia.org's editing interface but not on my local Mediawiki's editing interface?
[02:49:43] <locsmif>	(I.e. which extension(S) do I enable)
[02:50:17] <Splarka>	is a core feature, add them with js
[02:50:52] <Splarka>	mwCustomEditButtons
[02:50:58] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Custom_edit_buttons
[03:02:06] <locsmif>	Splarka, thanks
[03:55:41] <CIA-79>	03shinjiman * r51630 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesZh_hans.php MessagesZh_hant.php MessagesZh_tw.php): Cleanup: removing obsolete/outdated messages for zh-tw which are same as zh-hant.
[05:29:23] <Archibald>	Anyone have a moment to help a MW newbie?
[05:33:27] <OverlordQ>	!ask
[05:33:27] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[05:34:46] <Archibald>	ah okay thanks
[05:35:22] <Archibald>	I installed http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Require_Editor_Privilege  <--- So that only myself and a few others could edit, but I am unable to figure out how to add users to usergroups
[05:35:41] <Archibald>	I know it's an extension, and not a stock setup, but was still hoping for help.
[05:35:46] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51631 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (6 files in 4 dirs): basic sequencer regression fixes.
[05:38:38] <amidaniel>	Archibald: Go to Special:Userrights in your wiki
[05:39:56] <Archibald>	Ahhh thank you.
[06:02:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple search terms are not enforced properly for Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8445  (10jidanni)
[06:02:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple search terms are not enforced properly for Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8445   +patch (10jidanni)
[08:38:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change Arabic Wikipedia user rights configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19138 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (meno25wiki)
[08:46:45] <Abigaelle>	Hi, i have problem, email are not sending when registrered. Someone know some webpage talking about this ?
[08:47:09] <werdna>	!email
[08:47:09] --mwbot--	For more information about MediaWiki e-mail extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Email_extensions>.
[08:47:18] <werdna>	hm
[08:48:25] <Abigaelle>	Don't see my answer in this :(
[08:50:15] <Archibald>	Where is the table of contents?
[08:50:24] <werdna>	what table of contents?
[08:50:46] <werdna>	Abigaelle: what platform are you running mediawiki on?
[08:51:17] <Archibald>	Looking for an index/table of contents that is automatically generated when a new page is created
[08:51:46] <werdna>	you mean a list of all pages?
[08:51:51] <werdna>	try visiting Special:Allpages
[08:52:56] <Archibald>	that works for me
[08:52:58] <Abigaelle>	Hi werdna : it's a shared server / my email works from my forum/board but not from the wiki
[08:53:04] <Archibald>	thank you
[08:53:44] <werdna>	Abigaelle: what platform, though?
[08:54:29] <Abigaelle>	We can't know
[08:54:39] <Abigaelle>	I supose it's a windows
[08:55:55] <Abigaelle>	But really we don't have access to this info. Maybe in a php.info.
[08:56:08] <werdna>	You need to add your SMTP settings, then
[08:56:09] <werdna>	!wg SMTP
[08:56:09] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSMTP
[08:56:46] <Abigaelle>	Thansk a lot
[08:56:50] <Abigaelle>	I will try this ;)
[08:58:45] <Abigaelle>	It's not explain in the page but i have to create a $wgSMTP line in Localsettings ?
[09:00:49] <werdna>	yes
[09:02:34] <Abigaelle>	Thanks.
[09:03:40] <GerardM->	maybe a silly question.. $wgLanguageCode is in Localsettings.php right ?
[09:04:03] <werdna>	yes
[09:04:18] <GerardM->	ok I am confused
[09:07:06] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51632 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add support for LocalisationUpdate
[09:07:16] <GerardM->	I found it
[09:58:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Text difficult to read (subpixel rendering), need to add new fonts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19139 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: EasyTimeline; (tbertels+bugzilla)
[10:10:16] <CIA-79>	03thomasv * r51633 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: max size for zoomable image
[10:43:38] <saif>	s'il vous plais comment je peux ouvrir 1 fichier .rar
[10:51:31] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51634 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (_autoload.php groups/Wikiblame.php): Add support for Wikiblame (http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php)
[10:57:50] <CIA-79>	03ialex * r51635 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtDispatch.php: Compat with PHP 5.3: thrid param is not passed by reference
[11:03:54] <sushiguru>	Hi all.  I've developed a special page and was wondering how I submit it to mediawiki to share it (on the off chance anyone else finds it useful)?
[11:04:01] <werdna>	what does it do?
[11:04:20] <sushiguru>	Tests _externallinks and reports on broken links.
[11:04:59] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51636 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (SpecialTranslationChanges.php Translate.php): Update current groups on SpecialTranslationChanges
[11:05:01] <sushiguru>	There may be another in existence but i couldn't find one.
[11:05:58] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51637 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslationChanges.php: Update current groups on SpecialTranslationChanges
[11:08:27] <siebrand>	mdale: ping?
[11:08:38] <siebrand>	mdale: oops, wrong person. Ignore, please.
[11:09:18] <siebrand>	werdna: can you provide feedback on http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support#Lqt-new-messages ?
[11:13:47] <werdna>	siebrand: it was there originally, I have no thoughts on whether to keep it or not
[11:27:19] <sushiguru>	Umm..
[11:34:34] <Splarka>	*facepalm*
[11:35:38] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: better renick to all your funky personae, you don't want "twincest" to be grabbed... of course be lazy and do it in a bunch of channels
[11:39:37] <flyingparchment>	iSeanW: that's pretty annoying
[11:39:56] <iSeanW>	flyingparchment, yeah, apologies, am spreadng between two clients but per the global notice I need to stop them expiring.
[11:40:10] <Splarka>	you need two clients to do it all in two days? heh
[11:40:12] <flyingparchment>	yeah so /part or something instead of spamming everyone in every channel you're in
[11:40:13] <iSeanW>	Only about three more to do, so I hope you don't mind too much, it won't happen for  awhile.
[11:40:22] <iSeanW>	Too many channels to do that really...
[11:40:40] <kitteh>	Is this nick more to your tastes then flyingparchment? :D
[11:42:34] <sushiguru>	Message again now there's a little more life :)  I've developed a special page and was wondering how I submit it to mediawiki to share it (on the off chance anyone else finds it useful)?
[11:42:56] <ialex>	create a new page on mw.org
[11:43:11] <sushiguru>	OK - just follow someone else's format for the page?
[11:44:16] <ashley>	seanw: oh hai ^_^ seen http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/IRC_cloaks yet? people here keep telling me to bug freenode staff about those mediawiki/developer cloaks, so...
[11:44:49] <sushiguru>	Sorry - just found the create template.
[11:44:50] <seanw>	ashley, yup it's coming once the upcoming rewriote of the cloak request system is completed :)
[11:44:54] <Splarka>	sushiguru: you might be interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dispenser/Link_checker and/or http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Weblinkchecker.py
[11:45:02] <Splarka>	(not special pages, but alternate tools)
[11:45:30] <ashley>	seanw: interesting :) can't wait for that, hehe
[11:50:43] <seanw>	ashley, uit's not that exciting :P
[11:50:55] <seanw>	It'll be based on svn commit access.
[11:51:59] *ashley 	sure could use a new cloak, heh
[11:52:11] <ashley>	I wonder when was the last time I edited wikia, heh :P
[11:55:18] <Splarka>	seanw: will no one else be allowed cloaks but developers with commit access?
[11:56:01] <seanw>	Splarka, well I don't know the MediaWiki people well enough so I imagine there will be exceptions - will be up to you lot really :)
[11:56:07] <seanw>	What are you thinking of?
[11:56:14] <Splarka>	me!
[11:56:26] *Splarka 	wants to ditch his wikia nick, is not a developer, but is a 'complainer'
[11:56:52] <seanw>	Well the likes of brion wouild have to approve that, then.
[11:56:53] <ashley>	Splarka: lies, all lies! just get commit access and fix core css & js stuff ;)
[11:57:02] <seanw>	I don't know yet.
[11:57:11] <seanw>	Commit access is a good baseline though.
[11:57:25] <Splarka>	"dialup" "so get a faster connection" "can't" "so move somewhere they don't use mules" "can't" 
[11:57:26] <Splarka>	yes yes
[11:57:38] *Splarka 	throws </span> at ashley
[11:57:42] <ashley>	ow
[12:03:46] <werdna>	what's up?
[12:04:07] <werdna>	we should get wikimedia/developer as well as mediawiki/developer ;)
[12:06:17] <Splarka>	FTFY: ^wikimedia/shell
[12:06:26] <siebrand>	anyone who knows what this could be? [09-Jun-2009 09:03:24] /wiki/Special:Preferences: Exception: Global default  is invalid for field skin
[12:07:34] <siebrand>	werdna: do you have a recent version of Lqt running somewhere? I'll take a look at it, and possible throw it out again. You mind?
[12:11:31] <werdna>	sure, it's at http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view
[12:11:40] <werdna>	I'll update it
[12:26:10] <werdna>	hi vvv
[12:26:48] <vvv>	hi werdna
[12:27:29] <CIA-79>	03werdna * r51638 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
[12:27:29] <CIA-79>	Reimplemented writeMessageStateForUpdated thread:
[12:27:29] <CIA-79>	* Improve cross-database compatibility (and code readability) by using proper generation methods.
[12:27:29] <CIA-79>	* Basic implementation of LQT email notification.
[12:27:29] <CIA-79>	* TODO : Implement email notification for discussions on a user's talk page.
[12:27:29] *werdna 	waits for the commit to go through
[12:27:33] <werdna>	yay
[12:34:22] <CIA-79>	03ialex * r51639 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: added tabs and new lines for better source readability
[12:39:07] <schnux>	hi folks one short question, what's the better search engine - lucene or semantic-mediawiki.org ? thanks a lot :-)
[12:39:28] <werdna>	they have different purposes
[12:39:30] <schnux>	or can I use them both at the same time ?
[12:40:03] <schnux>	I understand, can you tell me for what purposes I should install semantic-mw?
[12:40:56] <schnux>	I played a while with lucene, and now somebody told me semantic - now I'm not sure if it's senseful to take a look at ...
[12:42:19] <schnux>	i just need a good search. a search for the average user who writes everything wrong you know :-D
[12:46:29] <schnux>	just another question please. how can I activate the possibility to use wildcards at the beginning of a searchstring in lucene ?
[12:47:05] <schnux>	on www.wikipedia.com its no problem but on my installation i dont get results
[12:49:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Release MediaWiki 1.15 (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18629  (10tstarling)
[12:49:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update from 1_14 to 1_15(RC1) / 1_16 fails with postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19127  (10tstarling)
[12:51:05] <rainman-sr>	schnux, it is on by default, you just need the latest version
[12:54:47] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) new Article(Title::newFromText('foo')) broken if &oldid in url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19119  +comment (10tstarling)
[12:55:43] <schnux>	hey rainman :-) my version is 1.14.0
[12:56:33] <rainman-sr>	of lucene-search
[12:56:47] <schnux>	oh
[12:58:09] <schnux>	I've got the binary for java6 2.1 
[12:58:18] <CIA-79>	03tstarling * r51640 10/branches/REL1_15/phase3/ (8 files in 7 dirs): Backported r51587 (avoids password failure after upgrade), tweaked release notes.
[12:58:20] <schnux>	i just see that april 15,2009 was an update
[12:58:26] <schnux>	on sourcefourge
[12:58:49] <schnux>	so it will work with that version i suppose, thanks again for your help :)
[13:00:28] <siebrand>	werdna: http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view -> 404
[13:01:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Special:Log/centralauth as an alias for Special:Log/globalauth and Special:GlobalAuth as an alias for Special:CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18837  normal->15enhancement (10tstarling)
[13:03:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete should have a MediaWiki -dropdown page, and dropdown menu for common revision deletion reasons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18862  normal->15enhancement (10tstarling)
[13:08:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS/Atom feeds contains escaped &#32; in title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18907  +comment (10tstarling)
[13:08:58] <chequers>	heya, is there syntax to start a numbered list from 0?
[13:09:05] <chequers>	just as a one off, I mean
[13:09:57] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51641 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/Lqt.i18n.php: Tweak a few messages
[13:10:10] <Splarka>	<ol start="10"><li>zero!</li></ol> or whatever the html syntax is
[13:10:29] <Splarka>	but no, see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4281
[13:12:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mvTextInterface.js error on loading CMML <mediaSource> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18960  (10tstarling)
[13:13:27] <schnux>	do you know if I can use Lucene AND semantic-mediawiki at the same time ?
[13:17:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) {{REVISIONUSER}} acts like {{CURRENTUSER}} when $this->mRevisionId is false - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19006  +comment (10tstarling)
[13:19:56] <RoanKattouw>	schnux: Should be possible
[13:20:28] <RoanKattouw>	Unless they're both search backends; I don't know whether semantic-mediawiki means the SMW extension or a search backend here
[13:21:58] <^demon>	hello Roan
[13:22:03] <RoanKattouw>	Hi ^demon 
[13:23:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Password failure after upgrade to MW 1.13 or 1.14 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18846  +comment (10tstarling)
[13:25:19] <schnux>	thanks roan :-)
[13:32:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Getting database error when trying to save filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19135  +comment (10mwpnl)
[13:36:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Getting database error when trying to save filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19135  (10mwpnl)
[13:39:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bug in PDF converter licensing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19140 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (grysmith)
[13:42:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mvTextInterface.js error on loading CMML <mediaSource> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18960  (10GChriss)
[13:43:28] <tt5786>	hey guys i am trying to setup a mediawiki using dyndns when it sends out an email it sends an address like http://localhost/aussiepedia/index.php/Special:ConfirmEmail/347995a906cc4079f1b301273f93c087 how do i change this
[13:45:51] <RoanKattouw>	tt5786: Set $wgServer right
[13:46:11] <tt5786>	is that in localsettings
[13:46:33] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[13:48:05] <tt5786>	i cant find it in there
[13:48:14] <^demon>	add it
[13:48:25] <tt5786>	and then what do i place next to it
[13:48:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add 'autoeditor' group, remove 'autopromote', 'patroller' and 'autopatroller' groups on Russian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18591  +comment (10rhalsell)
[13:49:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) URI generation in RDF export partly lacks port information - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19141 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (markus)
[13:50:38] <^demon>	tt5786: http://pastey.net/115653
[13:50:47] <^demon>	^ exactly that.
[13:52:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make section edit links more usable/understandable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11270  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:53:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18590  +comment (10rhalsell)
[13:54:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) URI generation in RDF export partly lacks port information - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19141  (10markus)
[13:54:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Getting database error when trying to save filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19135  (10tstarling)
[13:58:08] <chomwitt>	i'm admin in el.wikibooks. in uploading an file  there isn't a dropdown list to choose a license like in other wiki projects. is that sth i can fix?
[13:59:38] <ialex>	chomwitt: you need http://el.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Licenses
[13:59:57] <ialex>	(see e.g. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Licenses )
[14:00:50] <chomwitt_>	ialex: thanks. 
[14:02:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New favicon for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17049  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:03:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update from 1_14 to 1_15(RC1) / 1_16 fails with postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19127  +comment (10tstarling)
[14:04:07] <freakolowsky>	yellow
[14:04:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable NewUserMessage extension on Arabic Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18194  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:05:26] <TimStarling>	why does the PostgreSQL implementation have such insane code?
[14:05:37] <TimStarling>	why can't it be normal and simple like MySQL?
[14:05:49] <freakolowsky>	phphphphhhh mwahahahahahahahha
[14:06:00] <ialex>	TimStarling: good question
[14:06:16] <TimStarling>	seriously, tell me how this can be a sane way to set up user righs: http://p.defau.lt/?oinw2sWNmS6yh61uRpk_Sw
[14:06:28] <TimStarling>	do you see what it's doing?
[14:06:46] <TimStarling>	it's like the guy thinks string operations are best done in SQL because he doesn't trust PHP to concatenate strings
[14:07:00] <TimStarling>	so he makes up the grant query using a SELECT
[14:07:21] <freakolowsky>	lol ... this is just bad coding ...
[14:07:27] <flyingparchment>	TimStarling: the original PG code did schema updates by having a new table that stored the MW version number
[14:07:34] <flyingparchment>	and it knew which schema changes each new version needed
[14:07:36] <werdna>	o-o
[14:07:40] <flyingparchment>	which was fine, until you tried to update from svn ...
[14:07:47] <TimStarling>	heh
[14:07:53] <werdna>	TimStarling: presumably it's so he can do the escaping
[14:08:09] <RoanKattouw>	This looks a lot like using SQL as a programming language
[14:08:21] <TimStarling>	werdna: except that he has perfectly good escaping functions in PHP and uses them in other places
[14:08:24] <freakolowsky>	like ... PLSQL :D
[14:08:25] <flyingparchment>	sql *is* a programming language - PL/SQL
[14:08:37] <freakolowsky>	lol
[14:09:08] <freakolowsky>	brb ...  see a coffee with my name on it in the next room :D
[14:09:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable patrol function for non-sysops on Turkish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14276  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:10:58] <flyingparchment>	TimStarling: what do you think about having a database backend where more functionality is in the backend-specific code?  like DatabaseMysql::storeNewArticleRevision($id, ...) - and the DB class generates the sql
[14:11:14] <flyingparchment>	wouldn't it work better than trying to write some generic SQL to work on every possible database?
[14:11:33] <tt5786>	can some one tell me if this is working aussiepedia.ath.cx/wiki
[14:11:35] <flyingparchment>	it would be more initial work for backend authors, but easier to maintain
[14:11:47] <flyingparchment>	since there's no need for every schema update to be applied to every db right away
[14:11:55] <TimStarling>	I'd have to see the particular cases where the current approach falls down
[14:12:01] <tt5786>	http:// aussiepedia.ath.cx/wiki
[14:12:10] <tt5786>	http://aussiepedia.ath.cx/wiki
[14:12:16] <flyingparchment>	well, i don't have any specific examples where it doesn't work, it just feels ugly
[14:12:41] <TimStarling>	it mostly works
[14:12:51] <tt5786>	what you mean mostly
[14:12:58] <TimStarling>	I was talking to flyingparchment
[14:13:08] <RoanKattouw>	tt5786: Times out for me
[14:13:11] <flyingparchment>	(as someone who did a partial oracle port in the past, i think i would have preferred having it done this way..)
[14:13:14] <tt5786>	hmm
[14:13:21] <TimStarling>	but I will get to you soon since you have such a great domain name
[14:13:30] <tt5786>	?
[14:13:44] <RoanKattouw>	Tim's from Sydney
[14:13:48] <tt5786>	ahh ok
[14:14:00] <TimStarling>	in Sydney
[14:14:19] <TimStarling>	"from" is maybe a bit too strong
[14:15:00] <TimStarling>	anyway, the answer is no, it's not working
[14:15:43] <TimStarling>	the current problem with postgresql is this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19127
[14:16:04] <TimStarling>	"keine Berechtigung" seems to mean "not allowed" or "access denied" or something
[14:16:15] <schnux>	correct :-)
[14:16:27] <TimStarling>	so it's probably a table created by the upgrade process that the web user doesn't have access to
[14:16:57] <TimStarling>	but working out how table permissions work led me to the code I pasted above
[14:17:03] <TimStarling>	:P
[14:17:06] <flyingparchment>	TimStarling: i wonder if he put "postgres" used in AdminSettings?
[14:17:16] <flyingparchment>	that would make the table owned by postgres, so the wiki user couldn't access it..
[14:17:28] <TimStarling>	well, the web installer connects as postgres
[14:17:42] <flyingparchment>	hm.. then changes the owner?
[14:18:01] <TimStarling>	yeah, that's why I think the problem is update.php, I'm not sure it does fix the owner properly
[14:18:02] <flyingparchment>	the updater.inc i wrote for PG doesn't do that.  so if that connected as postgres, it might cause this problem
[14:18:16] <flyingparchment>	("that" = change the owner)
[14:19:33] <flyingparchment>	iirc at the toolserver we have update.php connect as the mediawiki user, so i never noticed this problem
[14:20:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable recent changes patrol on Bulgarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18905  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:20:30] <CIA-79>	03catrope * r51642 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Vector.php: Vector skin: don't use short PHP tags (like <?= $varname ?>), breaks in certain environments
[14:20:46] <TimStarling>	yeah, I had it connect as the same user too, when I upgraded my postgresql test wiki a few days ago
[14:21:17] <TimStarling>	thanks flyingparchment
[14:22:21] <CIA-79>	03catrope * r51643 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.js: EditToolbar: Superscript is <sup>, not <super>
[14:22:45] <tt5786>	back
[14:23:19] <TimStarling>	# Checking the version of Postgres...FAILED. Required version is 8.1. You have 7.3 or earlier
[14:23:31] *TimStarling 	FAIL
[14:23:49] <tt5786>	so did any one get it to work
[14:24:42] <TimStarling>	tt5786: unfortunately you did not give us shell access, so the maintenance we could do on it was limited
[14:25:12] <tt5786>	?
[14:26:56] <tt5786>	can some one ping aussiepedia.ath.cx
[14:28:27] <TimStarling>	why does it resolve to what appears to be an iPrimus residential DSL address?
[14:28:48] <TimStarling>	maybe you should try renting a higher spec'd server
[14:29:06] <tt5786>	im just playing with this
[14:29:16] <tt5786>	it is at my house so you can get it but can you get to the site
[14:30:56] <freakolowsky>	coffe ... check, smoke ... check, sanity ... partial-check -- now let's code
[14:31:10] <TimStarling>	no we cannot get to the site
[14:32:03] <tt5786>	god this sucks
[14:32:27] <freakolowsky>	ping reply timeout
[14:33:44] <^demon>	freakolowsky: right there with you.
[14:34:11] <freakolowsky>	^demon: how's the maintenance master-plan going along
[14:34:32] <^demon>	kinda nice actually. i've been working on a new maintenance class.
[14:36:00] <tt5786>	does any one know about DynDNS
[14:36:22] <freakolowsky>	tt5786 i know that much tat i stopped using it :d
[14:36:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new Article(Title::newFromText('foo')) broken if &oldid in url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19119  (10renegadesnares99)
[14:37:28] <tt5786>	lol what you use now
[14:37:29] <TimStarling>	tt5786: have you configured your modem to pass through port 80?
[14:37:49] <freakolowsky>	^demon does that class include a better way to handle schema changes ... something that will not include sql scripts :D
[14:38:14] <freakolowsky>	tt5786 now i have a static IP
[14:38:28] <tt5786>	ahh Iprimus sucks lol they wont give me one
[14:40:06] <freakolowsky>	^deamon: i'll whip up a testcase example for this idea and i'll post it on bug19133
[14:40:44] <^demon>	freakolowsky: im not even touching the updater. im just looking at maintenance scripts in general
[14:42:50] <freakolowsky>	^demon: :D i'll have a go on my own then
[14:47:55] <tt57861>	my next problem is i have updated localsettings.php with $wgServer    = "aussiepedia.ath.cx"; and when i type the address into my address bar it comes up as http://aussiepedia.ath.cx/wiki/aussiepedia.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Main_Page how do i fix this
[14:48:55] <freakolowsky>	ttX: this smells to me like bad http server setup
[14:49:05] <Alphos>	pretty much looks like a htaccess problem :x
[14:49:07] <Alphos>	yup
[14:49:34] <freakolowsky>	wgServer only refers to the host
[14:49:38] <freakolowsky>	afik
[14:49:42] <RoanKattouw>	Could also be a $wgScriptPath or $wgArticlePath misconfig
[14:50:13] <freakolowsky>	but a misconfig on those would produce an error
[14:51:44] <tt57861>	ok but how do i fix it
[14:52:16] <freakolowsky>	first check where is the root of your web server pointing
[14:52:27] <TimStarling>	$wgServer = 'http://aussiepedia.ath.cx';
[14:52:48] <TimStarling>	$wgArticlePath = '/wiki/index.php/$1';
[14:52:58] <TimStarling>	$wgScriptPath = '/wiki';
[14:54:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Russian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18594  +comment (10rhalsell)
[14:54:36] <freakolowsky>	TimStarling: these patch-XXXX.sql files referenced in updaters.inc ... where are those located?
[14:54:45] <TimStarling>	maintenance/archives/
[14:54:56] <freakolowsky>	10x
[14:56:29] <tt57861>	ok 
[14:57:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Run 'fix redirects' for nl.wikipedia (possibly more sites need it) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17476  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:03:14] <Daniel_>	Hi. Can someone please help me with an unexpected result of the function {{#ifeq}} I had while comparing strings to page titles?
[15:08:15] <tt5786>	hey all would like some one to go to http://aussiepedia.ath.cx and tell me if it works
[15:09:16] <Reedy>	yup
[15:09:42] <tt5786>	cool
[15:12:08] <tt5786>	well every thing is working now its time to eddit it all
[15:12:10] <tt5786>	night all
[15:14:17] <TimStarling>	reproduced that postgresql issue: http://p.defau.lt/?cWxtTBuklrwb6F2G6_Lxfg
[15:17:43] <TC-nbigelow>	hello, how can you check mime types with a special page? I tried mime_content_type on the temp file from $wgRequest but it never matches up with anything
[15:23:41] <fahadsadah>	Beta != rc.
[15:24:53] <CIA-79>	03bigsmoke * r51644 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticGallery/SG_ResultPrinter.php: In SemanticGallery: Fallback image captions where only changed for the first image. This is now fixed.
[15:25:18] <flyingparchment>	it's not "unstable", it's a release candidate
[15:25:18] <flyingparchment>	"unstable" would be trunk
[15:25:51] <werdna>	trunk isn't that unstable
[15:25:56] <werdna>	it's all just been reviewed by Tim
[15:28:27] <jcw>	*I'm* unstable.
[15:28:40] <freakolowsky>	ME2 ME2 ME2
[15:28:43] <TimStarling>	I called it an RC because that's been the naming convention for most of MediaWiki's life
[15:28:51] <fahadsadah>	Lol.
[15:29:12] <TimStarling>	I also said it was beta quality in the release announcement
[15:29:54] <TimStarling>	flyingparchment: the web installer actually reconnects as the unprivileged user
[15:30:06] <TimStarling>	it has a pg_connect() hidden away in the setup code to do that
[15:30:28] <TimStarling>	it does that after it's finished creating the user and the database
[15:31:18] <jcw>	http://www.tinymicros.com/wiki/MediaWiki_SpreadSheet   I'd still like someone in the know to take a quick look at this idea, and find any obvious holes that can be poked in it.  Or tell me why it might be a *bad* idea.
[15:32:26] <fahadsadah>	jcw: Editable spreadsheet?
[15:32:46] <fahadsadah>	A simple one could be done in templates.
[15:32:50] <jcw>	No.  Just allow performing simple or very low complexity calculations on the fly.
[15:33:03] <jcw>	They could, but templates are ugly and hard to read.
[15:33:16] <jcw>	Waaay too many {{{{{{{
[15:33:19] <fahadsadah>	OK.
[15:33:45] <fahadsadah>	Why does it use <ss and not {{ss or {{#ss?
[15:34:00] <jcw>	Mostly so it's as I add prices or sizes to items, I can have it recalculate the total at the bottom without forgetting or miscalculating.
[15:34:15] <jcw>	Because that's how <ref> works, which I'd use a programming model.
[15:34:21] <fahadsadah>	OK.
[15:35:14] <werdna>	jcw: I can tell you why it's a bad idea by just looking at the title.
[15:35:23] <jcw>	I'm listening.
[15:35:55] <fahadsadah>	Me too.
[15:36:03] <freakolowsky>	i'm just reading text
[15:36:16] <jcw>	You need to upgrade to Vista then!
[15:36:37] <jcw>	</sarcasm>
[15:36:55] <freakolowsky>	noted
[15:37:15] <fahadsadah>	Even DOS 3.3 -> Vista is a downgrade.
[15:37:38] <fahadsadah>	Mike_lifeguard: Hi.
[15:38:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	hello
[15:38:20] <fahadsadah>	chomwitt: Hi.
[15:38:47] <flyingparchment>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Category:Conceptual_systems <- this is a strange category
[15:38:49] <chomwitt>	fahadsadah: hi
[15:39:16] <fahadsadah>	Who uses SSL for Wikip
[15:39:20] <fahadsadah>	Who uses SSL for Wikipedia?
[15:40:12] <freakolowsky>	https://www.abakus.si/
[15:40:51] <jcw>	werdna, are you going to expand on why you consider that a Bad Idea(tm)?
[15:45:39] <werdna>	jcw: Google Docs does it perfectly well, doesn't it?
[15:47:37] <fahadsadah>	werdna: You have to authorise all the editors to edit your stuff.
[15:47:55] <fahadsadah>	MediaWiki is, as the name implies, a wiki.
[15:48:10] <freakolowsky>	i never got that implication
[15:48:13] <freakolowsky>	:D
[15:48:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update from 1_14 to 1_15(RC1) / 1_16 fails with postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19127  -testme ; +comment (10tstarling)
[15:51:03] <fahadsadah>	CentralAuth is BIG.
[15:51:12] <fahadsadah>	It's been checking out for the last five minutes,.
[15:51:15] <fahadsadah>	s/,./.
[15:51:16] <fahadsadah>	s/,././
[15:51:24] <werdna>	mostly i18n
[15:51:47] <fahadsadah>	Why is it called i18n?
[15:51:51] <werdna>	fahadsadah: either way, IMO spreadsheets aren't well done in wikitext
[15:51:57] <werdna>	i, then 18 characters, then n
[15:52:02] <siebrand>	werdna: did you see earlier i reported http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view gave a 404?
[15:52:21] <werdna>	ah, web server being lame
[15:52:33] *werdna 	restarts
[15:52:34] <werdna>	try nao
[15:52:47] <CIA-79>	03jan * r51645 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add multi-voting(function, DB and messages)
[15:53:14] <fahadsadah>	Why are there .jars in CA?
[15:54:54] <werdna>	there aren't
[15:55:11] <siebrand>	werdna: still
[15:56:05] <jcw>	werdna,  perhaps you didn't read the text.  It's not the type of spreadsheet like Excel or Gnumeric.  It's a simple implementation that uses the 'cell' concept (as opposed to named variables), and supports on-the-fly calculations.  It's not intended to implement complex spreadsheets, but simple lists and such where items are added (perhaps the costs of items as you rebuild your basement), and you don't want to manually calculate t
[15:56:06] <jcw>	he value every time you update the wiki page.
[15:56:18] <fahadsadah>	DAMN
[15:56:38] <fahadsadah>	I accidentally hit the reboot button, interupting the biggest checkout EVAR.
[15:57:05] <fahadsadah>	tekmosis: Hi.
[15:57:41] <fahadsadah>	kwame: Hi.
[15:58:05] <kwame>	hey
[15:58:16] <kwame>	question, anyone here using the Jira Ticket extension for MediaWiki?
[15:59:21] <tekmosis>	With subpages is there any way to extend the cookie crumbs to meet the entire depth of the sub pages? ie: /wiki/Projects/MediaWiki/Help/Subpages/Test the crumbs only show up as "< Projects | MediaWiki | Help" but I would also like "Subpages" to be included after "Help"
[15:59:27] <werdna>	flyingparchment: aren't we at the ts wiki?
[15:59:33] <CIA-79>	03tstarling * r51646 10/branches/REL1_15/phase3/ (AdminSettings.sample RELEASE-NOTES): (bug 19127) Documentation warning for PostgreSQL users who run update.php: use the same user in AdminSettings.php as in LocalSettings.php.
[15:59:38] <flyingparchment>	werdna: huh?
[15:59:39] <fahadsadah>	jira.toolserver.org
[15:59:52] <werdna>	flyingparchment: are we using the Jira Ticket Extension?
[16:00:03] <Prakkkkk>	hi, I have been struggling most of the day with a problem moving mediawiki from an old machine to a new one, it seems that when I import the database it only shows really old versions of my wiki pages, does anyone have a clue what is wrong?
[16:00:04] <fahadsadah>	That's not the wiki, that's seperate.
[16:00:05] <flyingparchment>	hmm, i don't remember if it's installed any more, it's not quite as useful as it first appears
[16:00:32] <flyingparchment>	because the jira api search doesn't do the 'quick search' thing where you can specify search parameters in the query
[16:00:50] <flyingparchment>	like "TS open foobar" won't return open TS tickets about "foobar", it'll return any ticket that contains the words "TS", "open" and "foobar"
[16:01:16] <flyingparchment>	always meant to ask atlassian about that, but i never got around to it
[16:01:52] <Nikerabbit>	ungala bugga
[16:02:16] <TimStarling>	Prakkkkk: are you using phpMyAdmin to do the export?
[16:02:35] <Prakkkkk>	no, should I be?
[16:02:45] <TimStarling>	no
[16:03:04] <kwame>	this is the error I'm getting --> http://pastebin.com/d226b8bf4
[16:03:08] <TimStarling>	how are you moving the database exactly?
[16:03:59] <flyingparchment>	hm, that's not the jira extension i wrote, so no idea
[16:04:01] <Prakkkkk>	on old machine, mysqldump wikidb -h 127.0.0.1 -u root -p > db.sql
[16:04:14] <kwame>	flyingparchment: can you point me to the jira extension you wrote for mediawiki?
[16:04:21] <flyingparchment>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JIRA
[16:04:24] <kwame>	does it do the same thing? get's an icon with the ticket status?
[16:04:25] <Prakkkkk>	copy file to new machine then run, mysql wikidb -h 127.0.0.1 -u root -p < db.sql
[16:05:04] <flyingparchment>	yes, i think the images should work
[16:05:16] <flyingparchment>	it just displays them in a table, the same as the confluence jira extension
[16:06:33] <TimStarling>	Prakkkkk: so you had already created the database on the new machine?
[16:06:36] <CIA-79>	03mkroetzsch * r51647 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_DV_Import.php SMW_SemanticData.php): Better fix for problem with empty URIs for imported vocabulary (unstubbing needs to happen when get- methods are called)
[16:07:09] <kwame>	flyingparchment: my jira server it's listening on port 8080 ... not 80
[16:07:22] <flyingparchment>	so?
[16:07:25] <kwame>	so for the url, can I use http://my.jira.host:8080/jira/rpc/soap/jirasoapservice-v2?wsdl',
[16:07:28] <kwame>	?
[16:07:32] <flyingparchment>	if you like
[16:07:50] <Prakkkkk>	Sorry, yes I did tim
[16:07:51] <kwame>	not that "I would like" ... I'm just wondering if it will work like that
[16:08:38] <kwame>	and my other question is ... how do I make sure that remote API is enabled in Jira?
[16:08:45] <kwame>	I'm not a Jira admin ... so ...
[16:09:17] <kwame>	any pointer in that?
[16:09:50] <flyingparchment>	it's an option in the setting somewhere
[16:10:16] <kwame>	flyingparchment: yes :) ... any how ... looking
[16:10:36] <TimStarling>	Prakkkkk: maybe you'd better be more specific about the symptoms then
[16:11:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Smw_import_ is plain broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18986  (10markus)
[16:11:03] <TimStarling>	what happens when you view a page normally, what does the history show, what happens when you view an old revision of a page, or a new revision
[16:12:16] <fahadsadah>	Are accounts automatically unified on creation?
[16:14:58] <kwame>	flyingparchment: remote api it's enabled :)
[16:15:55] <kwame>	flyingparchment: so your jira extension creates an icon? or just creates a list of issues?
[16:15:58] <CIA-79>	03ialex * r51648 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/CentralNotice.php: 
[16:15:58] <CIA-79>	* spaces -> tabs for identation
[16:15:58] <CIA-79>	* removed trailing spaces
[16:17:14] <kwame>	flyingparchment: question, when I go to http://my.jira.host:8080/rpc/soap/jirasoapservice-v2?wsdl on my browser, I see a page that displays xml and at the top I read "
[16:17:17] <kwame>	flyingparchment: question, when I go to http://my.jira.host:8080/rpc/soap/jirasoapservice-v2?wsdl on my browser, I see a page that displays xml and at the top I read "        This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.
[16:17:30] <kwame>	is that what the url is expectiong?
[16:29:53] <fahadsadah>	OMG
[16:29:59] <fahadsadah>	I found out why the checkout was so slow.
[16:30:07] <fahadsadah>	I just checked out the whole MW repo.
[16:31:14] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Change favicon for Wiktionaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16315  (10rhalsell)
[16:37:42] <TimStarling>	fahadsadah: just be glad we don't use git
[16:38:10] <CIA-79>	03werdna * r51649 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtNewMessages.php: Implement email notification for talk page changes
[16:38:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for Finnish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19142 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (str4nd)
[16:56:14] <thedj>	git rulez.
[16:56:34] <thedj>	but you need so much time before you are fluent in it's use
[16:59:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bug in PDF converter licensing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19140  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:04:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance script cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19133  (10innocentkiller)
[17:04:30] <CIA-79>	03tstarling * r51650 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[17:04:30] <CIA-79>	Changes related to update.php:
[17:04:30] <CIA-79>	* Removed counter.php. Whoever heard of adding a file for a single line of code? Refactored the callers to GlobalFunctions.php wfCountDown().
[17:04:30] <CIA-79>	* Removed the requirement for $wgDBadminuser to be set in update.php. There
[17:04:32] <CIA-79>	really is no security benefit, it's just there to annoy users and cause bugs
[17:04:34] <CIA-79>	like #19127. Just use $wgDBuser, commandLine.inc will automatically set it to
[17:04:36] <CIA-79>	$wgDBadminuser if it's available.
[17:07:07] <stemd>	I get error: "Global default is invalid for field skin" when I try to edit my preferences on custom install of mediawiki
[17:07:54] <stemd>	any idea?
[17:08:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance script cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19133  (10innocentkiller)
[17:09:13] <CIA-79>	03tstarling * r51651 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Forward-ported r51646, AdminSettings.sample documentation note for PostgreSQL.
[17:10:03] <Simetrical>	stemd, sounds like you made some skins invalid that were already being used.
[17:10:14] <Simetrical>	You'd think that would adjust gracefully, though, not fail with an error message.
[17:10:48] <stemd>	Simetrical: I made (after a long time) svn up
[17:11:10] <stemd>	and went from 1.15alpha to 1.16 alpha
[17:11:58] <stemd>	everything works except preferences
[17:12:32] <garo>	I have a very wide line in a code block, is it possible to change a css so that i get a codeblock with scrollbar ?
[17:12:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update from 1_14 to 1_15(RC1) / 1_16 fails with postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19127  +comment (10tstarling)
[17:14:37] <stemd>	Simetrical: yes, there were also some edits to Common.css
[17:14:56] <stemd>	(which work on Wikipedia)
[17:15:19] <Simetrical>	If you updated to trunk, you're probably using werdna's new preferences system.
[17:15:30] <Simetrical>	Which hasn't actually been tested on Wikipedia or released in any version.
[17:15:33] <Simetrical>	It's probably a bug there.
[17:15:41] <stemd>	yup
[17:24:44] <werdna>	stemd: ooh sorry about that
[17:24:53] <stemd>	:-)
[17:24:53] <werdna>	stemd: actually wait
[17:25:01] <stemd>	just tell what to do
[17:25:10] <werdna>	change your default skin to one that actually exists
[17:25:53] <Simetrical>	werdna, there shouldn't be a fatal error for all users if the default skin doesn't exist, surely.
[17:26:02] <werdna>	i put that code in for debugging
[17:26:05] <werdna>	could be taken out I guess
[17:26:17] <werdna>	but the obvious question is "what should it default to?"
[17:27:06] <Simetrical>	Pick the first valid skin, I guess.
[17:27:15] <Simetrical>	What's used for rendering?
[17:27:17] <stemd>	I agree
[17:27:26] <Simetrical>	I mean, not *every* page fails to load.
[17:27:43] <Simetrical>	It must be deciding on a default skin somehow when the provided one is invalid.
[17:27:48] <werdna>	hmm
[17:28:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable transwiki import and upload import to es.wikibooks. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18612  (10rhalsell)
[17:28:53] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Request to change namespaces on fy.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:29:01] <stemd>	werdna: how to change default skin?
[17:29:08] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Request to change namespaces on fy.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6331  (10rhalsell)
[17:29:12] <werdna>	!wg DefaultSkin
[17:29:12] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDefaultSkin
[17:29:37] <stemd>	yup
[17:29:52] <stemd>	but there is monobook, and I have it.....
[17:29:57] <werdna>	hmm
[17:30:10] <stemd>	will try some other
[17:30:24] <CIA-79>	03catrope * r51652 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (EditToolbar.hooks.php EditToolbar.js EditToolbar.php): EditToolbar: Making show/hide status of format bar persistent across previews using dynamically added hidden form fields
[17:30:53] <werdna>	found the bug.
[17:31:03] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) set $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey=false for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16552  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:32:26] <Led_Hed>	is there a way to supress the numbers on a TOC?
[17:32:37] <werdna>	stemd: bug should be fixed momentarily
[17:32:45] <stemd>	ok
[17:32:46] <CIA-79>	03werdna * r51653 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: Fix default check for preferences
[17:33:02] <werdna>	update, try again
[17:33:18] <Led_Hed>	Also is there a way to create a TOC with Sections and Sub-Sections?
[17:33:39] <stemd>	werdna: it works, you are fast! ;-)
[17:33:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) set $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey=false for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16552  (10rhalsell)
[17:34:11] <stemd>	thanks
[17:36:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Documentation is out of date, incomplete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1  (10innocentkiller)
[17:37:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add comment to generateSitemap.php saying what is encoded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17961  (10innocentkiller)
[17:37:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Documentation about character coding and conversion in MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12410  (10innocentkiller)
[17:38:27] <arunreddy_>	Hi all. Am trying to upload an image. .says some error: The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver. 
[17:38:36] <arunreddy_>	how to rectify
[17:38:44] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51654 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Added insert section and 2 new items.
[17:38:55] <^demon>	make your images folder writable by the web server.
[17:39:05] <Led_Hed>	arunreddy_, you need to change the file permissions on the directory that holdes your images
[17:39:43] <arunreddy_>	i have made it
[17:39:55] <arunreddy_>	chmod a+x
[17:40:07] <arunreddy_>	still the same error
[17:40:33] <^demon>	hmm, subdirs too?
[17:40:58] <arunreddy_>	yes
[17:41:02] <Simetrical>	a+x does not mean writable.
[17:41:21] <Simetrical>	chmod -R a+rwX mydir should do what you want.
[17:41:26] <arunreddy_>	oh
[17:42:12] <arunreddy_>	Simetrical : That worked fine.. great thanks a lot
[17:42:19] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51655 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.js: Fixed show initially bug.
[17:47:13] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51656 10/trunk/extensions/APC/ViewAPC.i18n.php: Add label for special page link
[18:28:12] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51657 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Changed approach to maintaining state to use cookies instead of form data.
[19:08:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Page title not saved in parser cache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11785  +comment (10PhiLiP.NPC)
[19:11:04] <CIA-79>	03catrope * r51658 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (6 files in 2 dirs): UsabilityInitiative: Add EditWarning extension that warns users when they try to navigate away from the edit form without saving their changes
[19:19:28] <CIA-79>	03philip * r51659 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [[Special:Search]] now could search terms in all variant-forms. ONLY apply on wikis with LanguageConverter.
[19:19:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:44:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "automatically sighted" shown for IP if IP reverted content while sighter was rolling back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19137  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:03:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Delete Extension:Passwordstr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17604  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:16:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true for Finnish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19142  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:19:57] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51660 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditWarning/EditWarning.i18n.php: Adjusted language in warning message.
[20:20:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change Arabic Wikipedia user rights configuration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19138  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:23:46] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51661 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Moved message code which emulates loadGM and gM functions to a central place.
[20:45:47] <GreenReaper>	I notice that the "user" entries set in cache have no timeout. Is it particularly important that these are kept around for performance or avoidance of login reasons? We are trying to tune our APC cache and some of these are likely to be thrown out at random by our current user cache TTL of one hour (APC discards as it searches through the cache if access time > cache global TTL).
[20:50:27] <RoanKattouw>	GreenReaper: Your users won't suddenly get logged out just because their cache entries have expired
[20:52:44] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51662 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
[20:52:44] <CIA-79>	* conditional usage of oggz_chop for native
[20:52:44] <CIA-79>	we only do an oggz_chop request if:
[20:52:44] <CIA-79>	oggz_chop is turned on
[20:52:44] <CIA-79>	AND
[20:52:45] <CIA-79>	we don't have a local buffer of the requested segment
[20:56:47] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) animated gif brought down wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19089  +comment (10ssanbeg)
[20:57:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451  +comment (10ssanbeg)
[21:03:17] <Danwe>	is there a way to ignore all void lines on the begin of the article in page rendering?
[21:20:29] <TC-nbigelow>	in php, would can you detect a " " or "  " as a blank entry?
[21:20:53] <werdna>	what do you mean?
[21:21:13] <GreenReaper>	trim?
[21:21:24] <GreenReaper>	http://us2.php.net/trim
[21:21:47] <GreenReaper>	If the length of a trimmed string is zero then there is no data
[21:22:01] <GreenReaper>	There are perhaps better ways, but that's what I'd do.
[21:39:22] <HardDisk_WP>	How do I implement a nice search?
[21:39:38] <HardDisk_WP>	one that a) suggests stuff
[21:39:47] <HardDisk_WP>	and b) does nice, proper fulltext search
[21:39:53] <HardDisk_WP>	c) without combusting the server
[21:40:09] <flyingparchment>	install google
[21:40:14] <HardDisk_WP>	LOL
[21:40:22] <HardDisk_WP>	Heh, I rather thought about the search WP uses
[21:40:26] <^demon>	Use Lucene.
[21:40:37] <rainman_>	!lucene
[21:40:37] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MWSearch
[21:40:43] <rainman_>	oh well, almost
[21:40:46] <HardDisk_WP>	'kay. Any info about its system requirements and integration in MW?
[21:40:52] <HardDisk_WP>	ok, later has been resolved
[21:41:05] <rainman_>	depends on wiki size
[21:41:38] <rainman_>	but since java likes to eat lots of memory, i would say at least 64-128mb RAM just for it
[21:41:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AutoCreateCategoryPages unable to detect category links embedded in templates that depends on template parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18245  +comment (10conanchristie)
[21:41:46] <HardDisk_WP>	small, 200 articles
[21:41:53] <HardDisk_WP>	mh, java...urgh.
[21:41:58] <HardDisk_WP>	any C / C++ version?
[21:42:08] <rainman_>	yeah, just the virtual machine will eat a lot
[21:42:09] <rainman_>	nope
[21:42:15] <rainman_>	just that one, you can use openjdk
[21:42:25] <rainman_>	anyways, need to go
[21:42:29] <HardDisk_WP>	kk thx
[21:43:48] <grin>	where is the "concatenated differential compressed storage" for store revisions sanely, or how to activate it? :)
[21:45:38] <werdna>	HardDisk_WP: are you going to berlin?
[21:45:51] <^demon>	grin: There isn't any :D
[21:46:22] <grin>	^demon, domas thinks there is :-)
[21:46:38] <grin>	^demon, he and flyingparchment believe it was implemented by tim
[21:47:06] <^demon>	Unless we're thinking of two different things. Are you referring to the compressed external storage, or diff-based storage? The former does exist, the latter does not.
[21:47:17] <flyingparchment>	there is diff-based compress external storage
[21:47:24] <domas>	^demon is lagging
[21:47:27] <^demon>	I thought the ES wasn't diff-based?
[21:47:31] <flyingparchment>	it's not
[21:47:31] <domas>	ES is ES
[21:47:34] <HardDisk_WP>	werdna, when?
[21:47:35] <flyingparchment>	but there is diff-based compress for it
[21:47:35] <domas>	it doesn't care what it stores
[21:47:42] <flyingparchment>	it stores a few diffs in a gzipped blob
[21:47:43] <domas>	it stores objects
[21:48:15] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) {{REVISIONUSER}} acts like {{CURRENTUSER}} when $this->mRevisionId is false - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19006  normal->minor; +comment (10herd)
[21:48:25] <^demon>	I was thinking the diff-based revisions I guess.
[21:48:29] <^demon>	Ignore me.
[21:50:31] <GreenReaper>	There's a maintenance script you can run to compress things
[21:50:39] <GreenReaper>	It has the option to use the super max ultra compression.
[21:50:49] <GreenReaper>	which IIRC takes ten revisions and gzips them all together.
[21:50:55] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51663 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.php Version.php): 
[21:50:55] <CIA-79>	* Nuke Version.php, not needed for a 1-line variable declaration
[21:50:55] <CIA-79>	* Use Http::userAgent() so we're consistent with the core UA, even though it probably won't change.
[21:50:58] <GreenReaper>	and then stores it in one and pointers to that one in the others.
[21:51:16] <werdna>	HardDisk_WP: WMDE's 5th birthday
[21:51:24] <flyingparchment>	yes, except with diff-based ES comprssion (which is what we're talking about) it stores the diffs instead of the revisions
[21:51:29] <GreenReaper>	I did some comparisons on WikiFur's data, as I recall it was good in database but not good when you backed it up.
[21:51:32] <GreenReaper>	Yes, whcih I don't know of.
[21:51:43] <HardDisk_WP>	werdna, urgh. do you know the exact date?
[21:51:51] <werdna>	HardDisk_WP: this saturday
[21:51:52] <GreenReaper>	There is just concatenation and gzipping of the concatenated files.
[21:52:01] <GreenReaper>	s/files/revisions
[21:52:12] <GreenReaper>	It's a fun little hack. :-)
[21:52:24] <HardDisk_WP>	werdna, ah, then not^^ too few money, and important exams next week
[21:52:32] <werdna>	ah, oh well
[21:52:35] <werdna>	wikimania?
[21:52:38] <domas>	why are there so many experts
[21:52:40] <GreenReaper>	The best compression for backups is done by just having all the revisions uncompressed and bzipping them all, of course.
[21:52:42] <domas>	who know everything
[21:52:53] <HardDisk_WP>	werdna, I thought wikimania is in alexandria? oO
[21:53:02] <GreenReaper>	That was last year no?
[21:53:18] <svip>	What is wrong if MediaWiki translates a + in an article name to an _?
[21:53:26] <GreenReaper>	Again, IIRC we found that bzip2 of all revisions took half to one third of the space of a backup of individual gzipped revisions.
[21:53:27] <werdna>	HardDisk_WP: no, this year it's in buenos aires
[21:53:27] <charitwo>	i think the next one is in brazil
[21:53:28] <domas>	for all the ignorant people
[21:53:28] <domas>	flu:includes midom$ grep ^class HistoryBlob.php 
[21:53:29] <domas>	class ConcatenatedGzipHistoryBlob implements HistoryBlob
[21:53:29] <domas>	class HistoryBlobStub {
[21:53:29] <domas>	class HistoryBlobCurStub {
[21:53:29] <domas>	class DiffHistoryBlob implements HistoryBlob {
[21:53:31] <werdna>	argentina
[21:53:36] <charitwo>	oshi domas pastebin
[21:53:39] *werdna 	stabs domas 
[21:53:41] *GreenReaper 	so ignorant.
[21:53:47] <HardDisk_WP>	werdna, ok, then for sure not^^
[21:53:50] <GreenReaper>	It wasn't there before! <g>
[21:54:05] <HardDisk_WP>	werdna, ok, then for sure not^^
[21:54:08] <grin>	nice 
[21:54:30] *grin 	believes some people here around needs medication
[21:54:41] <charitwo>	werdna: keep in mind domas doesn't have +r ;)
[21:54:48] <GreenReaper>	Twenty-twenty-twenty-four edits to go, I wanna be sedated . . .
[21:54:48] <svip>	A wizard should know better!
[21:54:59] *werdna 	waits for domas to figure out /cs unban
[21:55:06] <charitwo>	he can't use it
[21:55:17] <charitwo>	only +r's have access to /cs unban
[21:55:25] <werdna>	o rly
[21:55:25] <werdna>	haha
[21:55:49] <grin>	ignorance is bliss
[21:55:56] <ashley>	domas trolling again? :P
[21:55:59] *ashley 	hides
[21:56:13] *werdna 	slaps charitwo 
[21:56:15] <werdna>	spoilsport
[21:57:00] <grin>	well as far as I remember I didn't like that 12 years ago either
[21:57:07] <grin>	so have a nice day on
[21:57:15] *werdna 	snorts
[21:58:12] <domas>	=)
[21:58:27] <werdna>	:o double-deopped
[21:58:33] *werdna 	found a bug
[21:58:41] <HardDisk_WP>	nah
[21:58:44] <HardDisk_WP>	every ircd does this
[21:58:50] <HardDisk_WP>	you can even double op a user
[21:58:51] <werdna>	stupid
[21:59:10] <flyingparchment>	actually it's not
[21:59:18] <flyingparchment>	for example, it's required to fix desyncs
[21:59:28] <Simetrical>	Then desyncs are stupid?
[22:01:19] <domas>	"12 years ago"
[22:01:21] <domas>	;-)))
[22:01:30] <domas>	anyway
[22:01:33] <domas>	did I prove my point?
[22:01:37] <domas>	about the diff compression? :)
[22:01:40] <domas>	and code for it?!
[22:02:10] <werdna>	I forgot that part
[22:05:23] <HardDisk_WP>	heh, is Thepiratebay sluggish for you, too?
[22:09:16] <charitwo>	what's the variable to enable + support in article names
[22:10:10] <charitwo>	nvm found it
[22:16:16] <CIA-79>	03purodha * r51664 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/FlaggedRevs.i18n.php: Message grammar. Revisions are not listed on pages themselves.
[22:18:52] <svip>	Strange.
[22:19:15] <svip>	When I add a + while I am editing, it goes to the article with the plus symbol, but when I finish, it redirects me back to an article without it.
[22:19:45] <charitwo>	svip: so if you make a Foo +1 it takes you to Foo 1 ?
[22:19:51] <svip>	Yes.
[22:19:55] <charitwo>	svip: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgLegalTitleChars
[22:20:04] <svip>	But I am using 1.13.x
[22:20:20] <charitwo>	it was enabled in 1.6, i think you're safe
[22:20:37] <charitwo>	+ was added in 1.8
[22:20:57] <svip>	Ah.
[22:21:01] <svip>	Apache corrupts it.
[22:21:39] <Splarka>	does your wgArticlePath use a URI query string?
[22:23:49] <svip>	I fixed it now.
[22:23:58] <svip>	I added a small fix for the plus sign.
[22:24:09] <svip>	Using a similar method I did for the ampersand character.
[22:24:44] <svip>	Hm, it has the minor flaw that it only works with ONE plus.
[22:24:48] <svip>	So it is a terrible solution.
[22:24:52] <Splarka>	"This &amp; goes to 11"
[22:27:00] <Splarka>	(...in base 38)
[22:29:17] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51665 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed startOffset listing for java and vlc
[22:48:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New favicon for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17049  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:48:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDeleted revisions in Special:Contributions should be delinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19091  (10stevend811)
[22:51:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "automatically sighted" shown for IP if IP reverted content while sighter was rolling back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19137  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:54:51] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51666 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (Poll.i18n.php Poll_body.php): (log message trimmed)
[22:54:51] <CIA-79>	Code style tweaks:
[22:54:51] <CIA-79>	* Remove unused globals
[22:54:51] <CIA-79>	* Clean up action handling for readability
[22:54:51] <CIA-79>	* $wgTitle -> $this->getTitle()
[22:54:51] <CIA-79>	* Handle blocking in execute(), rather than duplicating code everywhere.
[22:54:55] <CIA-79>	** Remove now-unnecessary block messages
[22:55:10] <werdna>	^demon: what's that ext for?
[22:55:28] <^demon>	werdna: No clue, I was just cleaning up the code.
[22:55:46] <^demon>	You'd have to ask Jan.
[23:01:13] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51667 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Preferences.php): (bug 19112) Preferences now respects $wgUseExternalEditor, $wgExternalDiffEngine. Patch by jidanni.
[23:01:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) check $wgUseExternalEditor, $wgExternalDiffEngine before showing Preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19112  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:04:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDeleted revisions in Special:Contributions should be delinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19091   +patch (10stevend811)
[23:26:43] <mib_yjigkr>	hi guys, I'm trying to get the contents of a mediawiki page (actually wikipedia) in python -- can anyone help me with the API? I don't really see a method that says "get this page" -- I have the URL of the page that I am interested in so I can get the title from the url
[23:28:23] <Reedy_>	mib_yjigkr, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info|revisions&intoken=edit&titles=Main%20Page&rvprop=timestamp|user|comment|content
[23:31:46] <mib_yjigkr>	Reedy_: so &prop=info specifies that we want the actual content of the page?
[23:32:09] <Reedy_>	nope
[23:32:26] <Reedy_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Main%20Page&rvprop=content
[23:32:30] <Reedy_>	Will get you the page text
[23:33:21] <mib_yjigkr>	is there anyway to get just the text minus the wiki mark up?
[23:33:41] <Reedy_>	what you mean? how it would be shown on a pge?
[23:34:17] <mib_yjigkr>	I just want to get a string of text as if you someone went to the main page and copy and pasted the article into notepad
[23:34:31] <Reedy_>	That would
[23:34:42] <Reedy_>	You just need whats between <rev></rev>
[23:35:43] <mib_yjigkr>	but even then there is a lot of html & other mark ups still in there
[23:35:56] <Reedy_>	html decode it
[23:36:09] <mib_yjigkr>	ok fair enough
[23:36:24] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51668 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Refactored a bit to further centralize things and reduce redundancy in components.
[23:38:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Complex template expansion.. not expanded... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19143 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (jbreiding)
[23:43:01] <^demon>	Pretty sure that's not a blocker.
[23:43:28] <MrZ-man>	that's either a known bug or desired behavior, I'm not sure which
[23:43:36] <Splarka>	mib_yjigkr: you want the rendered output (html) or the raw (wikitext)?
[23:45:06] <^demon>	MrZ-man: I'm pretty sure the latter. It would require re-parsing the entire article, afaict from his description and the example.
[23:45:29] <Splarka>	wouldn't that be "parsing"? heh
[23:46:42] <^demon>	No, I mean you'd have to re-parse, once you've fully expanded the text.
[23:47:29] <^demon>	Parse the expanded text :P
[23:48:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Complex template expansion.. not expanded... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19143  04BLOCKER->normal; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:55:25] <Splarka>	^demon: yes, wouldn't that be "parsing"? as in, taking wikicode and turning it into html?
[23:55:36] <Splarka>	(recursive template expansion and subparsing)
[23:56:32] <^demon>	Yes. It is.
[23:56:48] <Splarka>	so they want to turn the template expansion into action=parse ?
[23:57:06] <MrZ-man>	that would be more than recursive. You'd have to recursively parse everything, then parse the result again
[23:57:24] <^demon>	Rather, expand templates infinitely.
[23:57:31] <^demon>	And then see if it can be re-expanded.
[23:57:43] <MrZ-man>	to do it perfectly you'd have to keep trying to parse it until you get 2 versions that parse the same
[23:57:59] <^demon>	And _then_ parse the base wikicode to HTML.
[23:58:17] <Splarka>	view-source:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text={{otheruses}}&forcetrace=true
[23:59:23] <MrZ-man>	though if the page took more than a second to reparse, you could have some fun with {{#time: U}}
[23:59:57] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51669 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: Oartial revert of r50809. Call the old method names for b/c.