[00:00:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add border="1" to tables, not just their stylesheets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18829  (10happy-melon)
[00:07:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: support for "tags" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19004  normal->high; +comment (10matthew.britton)
[00:09:28] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51773 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libClipEdit/mvClipEdit.js: some stand-alone sequencer fixes.
[00:15:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Can not print out a PDF file of enwiki article Uniforms of the United States Marine Corps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19167 major; Normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (glacierwolf)
[00:16:08] <^demon>	Summary of the day.
[00:18:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Review-API-Module is not working on WMF-Projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19166  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:23:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can not print out a PDF file of enwiki article Uniforms of the United States Marine Corps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19167  (10p858snake)
[00:28:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) <includeonly> is broken inside <ref> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19168 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (snottygobble)
[00:43:20] <Simetrical>	^demon|afk, it's supposed to be nasty.  AFAIK, having REMOTE_ADDR incorrect means your PHP setup is completely broken.  The admin needs to be informed so they can debug or fix it.  Has there been a single case presented where mashing everyone's IPs together would actually be the best solution?
[00:45:14] <^demon|afk>	Simetrical: I can't even get the UI to load to spew the exception there, it throws an exception in itself because the db wont start.
[00:45:23] <Simetrical>	Oh, really?
[00:45:28] <Simetrical>	That *is* pretty nasty, then.
[00:45:39] <Simetrical>	How do early failures in Setup.php or whatnot work?
[00:45:40] <^demon|afk>	Yes, white screen of death.
[00:46:02] <Simetrical>	Just die()?  It's better than silently corrupting the database with bogus IP addresses . . .
[00:46:04] <^demon|afk>	Hard, like that. But I don't think we should fail _that_ hard just because someone borked the REMOTE_ADDR
[00:46:17] <Simetrical>	We do that for a bunch of cases where we know things are unfixably broken.
[00:46:47] <^demon|afk>	If I can get the exception in the UI I'll be happy.
[00:47:12] <Simetrical>	Hmm, we don't fail horribly for magic_quotes_runtime?  We only seem to abort install.
[00:47:34] <^demon|afk>	Hmm.
[00:47:35] <^demon|afk>	Brb
[00:49:10] <Simetrical>	We currently die for some register_globals-related stuff.
[00:50:30] <Simetrical>	And for PHP 5.0.x on 64-bit.
[00:51:11] <Simetrical>	I don't know, any solution that silently puts fake stuff like 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1 into the database is a bad solution, IMO.
[00:54:27] <TimStarling>	maybe we should do explode(',', $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'])
[00:54:55] <TimStarling>	I understand the server admin in question is simply copying the XFF header to the REMOTE_ADDR environment variable
[00:55:04] <TimStarling>	and we do understand XFF headers
[00:55:09] <^demon|afk>	TimStarling: Special case for someone who tries to do that?
[00:55:11] <Simetrical>	Was that the only case it was reported in, though?
[00:55:22] <Simetrical>	What if it seems to not work even after that?
[00:55:24] <^demon|afk>	Simetrical: I couldn't find any dupes.
[00:55:33] <Simetrical>	So it's just this one broken free webhost?
[00:55:33] <flyingparchment>	i don't think MW should have workarounds for completely broken and non-standard custom setups
[00:55:40] <flyingparchment>	copying XFF to REMOTE_ADDR is simply wrong, and won't work
[00:55:45] <Simetrical>	Which copies XFF into REMOTE_ADDR and doesn't even do it properly?
[00:55:47] <^demon|afk>	Simetrical: It can't establish a username with no IP, then tries to feed a null title into a link function.
[00:56:12] <Simetrical>	I also don't think we should have workarounds for such broken behavior unless it's actually common.
[00:56:27] <Simetrical>	If it's just one webhost, then at best we should die gracefully.
[00:56:29] <TimStarling>	die() is as much a workaround as explode() isn't it?
[00:56:34] <Simetrical>	Possibly we should just ignore the whole issue.
[00:56:46] <Simetrical>	Mark WONTFIX and tell them to beat their webhost with a cluebat.
[00:56:55] <flyingparchment>	TimStarling: no, because one provides a clear failure mode, and the other pretends to work with unknown side effects and might break even worse in the future
[00:56:58] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, it's a more general one in case REMOTE_ADDR is bogus in other cases.
[00:57:01] <^demon>	Simetrical: The base cause needs addressing: we fail badly with malformed REMOT_ADDR
[00:57:30] <Simetrical>	Well, we could sanity-check every global in existence, couldn't we?
[00:57:57] <Simetrical>	The only reason REMOTE_ADDR is malformed is because the server admins deliberately messed it up.
[00:58:06] <^demon>	I thought about writing a Globals class to handle superglobal things like that with sanity checking.
[00:58:09] <^demon>	Never got around to it.
[00:58:28] <TimStarling>	there's three reporters on that bug report?
[00:58:38] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, it's a fairly popular free web host, I think.
[00:58:48] <TimStarling>	they might have all come from a forum link
[01:00:05] <^demon>	Is there another global similar to REMOTE_ADDR we could attempt to fail back to, as a next best guess?
[01:00:36] <flyingparchment>	REMOTE_HOST, but it might be a hostname
[01:00:51] <Simetrical>	Resolve it!
[01:00:55] <Simetrical>	\o/
[01:01:16] <Simetrical>	(that would open up nasty exploits if someone could suppress REMOTE_ADDR at will, of course)
[01:01:31] <Simetrical>	(point your DNS at whoever's IP you want . . .)
[01:01:50] <flyingparchment>	that's easy to fix, you just do a forward and reverse lookup
[01:01:56] <^demon>	gethostbyname()?
[01:01:57] <flyingparchment>	(although it's a stupid idea in the first place, of course)
[01:02:07] <flyingparchment>	^demon: that is obsolete
[01:02:16] <flyingparchment>	^demon: getaddrinfo, then pass the result to getnameinfo
[01:02:27] <Simetrical>	Yeah, how about we just stop wasting brain cells and tell Nearly Free Speech to copy XFF properly and only use the first part.
[01:02:38] <OverlordQ>	oh, it's NSF?
[01:02:39] <Prodego>	for the record, what bug is this?
[01:02:50] <Simetrical>	And just leave MediaWiki to behave unpredictably if they break PHP in patently stupid ways.
[01:02:51] <OverlordQ>	they're usually not braindead about things
[01:03:16] <^demon>	!b 18173
[01:03:16] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18173
[01:04:47] <Simetrical>	Okay, it looks like there are a number of unrelated causes.
[01:04:57] <Simetrical>	So we shouldn't just ignore the issue.
[01:05:03] <Simetrical>	But we shouldn't make up bogus addresses instead.
[01:05:16] <Simetrical>	I say we fail fatally to begin with, printing out the bogus REMOTE_ADDR.
[01:05:38] <Simetrical>	Then if there's a consistent pattern where some particular setup (not specific to a single host) is broken, we work around that like with other PHP bugs.
[01:05:40] <Simetrical>	Okay?
[01:06:03] <^demon>	Sounds ok. Writing a patch.
[01:06:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Login form barfs on malformed REMOTE_ADDR - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18173  04BLOCKER->major (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:17:20] <TimStarling>	if they were copying XFF to REMOTE_ADDR, there'd also be a $_SERVER['HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR'], and it would give you the IP
[01:20:28] <^demon>	Tim: Would you suggest trying to determine an IP from that, and then barring that, fail?
[01:25:09] <TimStarling>	$ipchain = array();
[01:25:16] <TimStarling>	if ( isset( $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] ) ) {
[01:25:26] <TimStarling>	$ip = IP::canonicalize( $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] );
[01:25:30] <TimStarling>	if ( $ip ) {
[01:25:36] <TimStarling>	$ipchain[] = $ip;
[01:25:37] <TimStarling>	}
[01:26:07] <TimStarling>	$ip = false (instead of ipchain[0])
[01:26:37] <TimStarling>	then later: if ( !$ip ) { throw new MWException( 'Unable to determine IP' ); }
[01:26:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge new-upload branch (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18563  (10dale)
[01:32:16] <TimStarling>	I've been thinking about updating wikimedia to r51535 plus patches
[01:32:35] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) in FF 3.5b4 timer shows full time of original clip - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19030  +comment (10dale)
[01:33:34] <TimStarling>	once I'm done reviewing the collection extension
[01:34:58] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51774 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ProxyTools.php): 
[01:34:59] <CIA-79>	Revert r51725 (fall back to 127.0.0.1 when IP cannot be determined). On further
[01:34:59] <CIA-79>	discussion, it's best if we don't make up a fake IP. Tweak the logic here a bit
[01:34:59] <CIA-79>	(per Tim) to let XFF attempt to determine the actual IP. Throw an exception if
[01:34:59] <CIA-79>	we can't.
[01:38:22] <TimStarling>	the way Collection saves pages is interesting, I'm wondering who came up with the idea
[01:38:27] <Splarka>	wow, I thought this was something only PHP was supposed to do... var wgNamespaceNumber = 0;  if(!window.wgNamespaceNumber) {...}
[01:38:32] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51775 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Tweak RELEASE-NOTES
[01:38:49] *Splarka 	didn't think js globals checked as window.globalname should return false for integer zero
[01:48:12] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51776 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (4 files in 3 dirs): seek tweeks
[01:50:11] <hesco>	installing a new instance of mw.  I thought it supported pg8, why is that not an option on the config/index.php form
[01:50:55] <hesco>	perhaps I need to install drivers for it
[01:50:59] <hesco>	trying that now
[02:10:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hook to alter upload form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8867  (10dale)
[02:12:36] <hesco>	it was that the pg drivers were missing for php5, that resolved the issue
[02:13:51] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51777 10/branches/maintenance-work/maintenance/ (Maintenance.php eval.php): 
[02:13:51] <CIA-79>	* Minor tweak to help, only show <> when there's some args to put in
[02:13:51] <CIA-79>	* Port eval.php
[02:26:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Login form barfs on malformed REMOTE_ADDR - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18173  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:26:35] <TheUni>	is it possible to get mediawiki to use other content as a source? For example, I'd like to automatically pull the contents of a README file for the corresponding wiki page, rather than having to update it by hand.
[02:27:18] <TheUni>	(readme from svn)
[02:33:07] <hesco>	I just got an error reading: "Can't contact the database server: Postgres functions missing, have you compiled PHP with the --with-pgsql option? (Note: if you recently installed PHP, you may need to restart your webserver and database)".
[02:33:27] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51778 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (3 files in 3 dirs): sequencer updates
[02:33:35] <hesco>	However my install is from binaries in the Debian packaging system
[02:33:38] <Splarka>	TheUni: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Include maybe
[02:34:30] <hesco>	I have php5 installed for apache and the pg driver for php5, but I'm not sure how I would recompile a binary to see it
[02:34:31] <Splarka>	see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Data_extraction_extensions in general, and even more in general http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[02:36:32] <^demon>	siebrand: You made my merge slow :P
[02:37:45] <hesco>	that is a never mind, guess I needed an apache restart
[02:37:50] <hesco>	off to the races now
[02:37:54] <TheUni>	Splarka: great, thanks
[02:39:02] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51779 10/branches/maintenance-work/ (42 files in 9 dirs): Merging changes from r51680-r51775 from trunk.
[02:40:51] <TheUni>	Splarka: aha, that looks perfect!
[02:44:07] *Splarka 	hides the women and children
[03:25:43] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51780 10/branches/maintenance-work/maintenance/ (4 files): 
[03:25:43] <CIA-79>	* Port checkUsernames, deleteRevision and waitForSlave
[03:25:43] <CIA-79>	* Prettify help some more
[03:25:43] <CIA-79>	* Add similar has/get for args.
[03:27:25] <chuck>	^demon: Hey, I have a question about your new Maintenance class
[03:28:36] <chuck>	Currently, we have a script to search through our database table to grab a list of all wikis, then it uses system() to run the update.php script with the correct arguments. Will there be an easy way to set parameters progmatically for the maintenance script before it runs, or will I still use system()?
[03:31:26] <^demon>	Not really at this point.
[03:32:08] <^demon>	You'd have to stick to your current method for the time being. That all being said, I would definitely like to add and improve on the system over time. Step 1 is organization and getting the basics in place :)
[03:45:55] <CIA-79>	03tstarling * r51781 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.hooks.php Collection.php): Fixed indenting on a few lines.
[03:58:35] <p858snake>	!b 8867
[03:58:35] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8867
[03:58:49] <p858snake>	bah why must someone use a bugmenot account for that >.<
[03:59:39] <TimStarling>	you could change the account name
[03:59:58] <TimStarling>	hmm, maybe someone has already
[04:00:56] <TimStarling>	it says it's banned
[04:01:15] <p858snake>	its pointless that someone even created it because we already allow freesign up so its stupid
[04:02:37] <chuck>	p858snake: that's not the point of bugmenot, the point is so that you don't have to waste time registering to use sites
[04:11:14] <Marybelle>	We should just hack Bugzilla to allow anonymous postings. >:-)
[04:11:28] <CIA-79>	03tstarling * r51782 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SiteConfiguration.php: Pass the SiteConfiguration object as a parameter to fullLoadCallback.
[04:12:13] <p858snake>	Marybelle: won't bugzilla show them if you post directly to the mailing list?
[04:12:35] <Marybelle>	Hmm, what?
[04:43:15] <cubs197>	help! I'm helping someone out with a template,MacMed (he left), but honestly, I don't know much about templates, the problem is is that the template (when inserted to a page) will keep adding text to the template when somethin is written below the template. So, I've tried many things, but can't seem to get the template to stop adding more and more text below it. The page that the template was created on is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User
[04:44:07] <OverlordQ>	eh?
[04:44:10] <cubs197>	The page that the template was created on is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MacMed/Mediationnote
[04:48:03] <OverlordQ>	and what's wrong with it?
[04:49:23] <jono>	hi all
[04:49:31] <cubs197>	when you insert it, the template will continue to add more and more text that is written below it, so if it was at the top of an article then the whole article would be inside of the template
[04:50:01] <p858snake>	have you been closing the template eg: {{TemplateName}}
[04:50:15] <jono>	I am trying to restrict anonymous access and added $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; to the end of LocalSettings.php but it doesnt work
[04:50:17] <jono>	any idea why?
[04:50:30] <OverlordQ>	cubs197: WFM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:OverlordQ/Sandbox2
[04:51:09] <cubs197>	OverlordQ, yeah awsome!
[04:51:09] <Prodego>	jono: is localsettings in the right directory?
[04:51:20] <jono>	Prodego, in wiki/config/
[04:51:24] <jono>	wiki is the main dir
[04:51:33] <p858snake>	jono: that should work, have you tried to purge your browser cache to make sure its not showing incorrect text lables saying that you can edit?
[04:51:56] <OverlordQ>	you need to edit the LocalSettings.php in your wiki root
[04:51:59] <p858snake>	oh wait, localsettings should be moved to the main directory
[04:52:02] <jono>	OverlordQ, oh
[04:52:14] <Prodego>	jono: yep, what they said
[04:52:20] *Prodego 	called that one!
[04:52:34] <jono>	thanks OverlordQ, works now :)
[04:52:37] <jono>	you guys rock :)
[04:56:31] <OverlordQ>	alright silly question, what's the magic code to add ~~~~ to a template so that it'll put your sig when you add it to a page
[04:56:55] <Prodego>	OverlordQ: there are many
[04:57:12] <Prodego>	do you want the simple way or the complicated way
[04:57:21] <cubs197>	OverlordQ no,no,no,no
[04:57:28] <OverlordQ>	there any drawbacks to either?
[04:57:45] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: when you subst the template?
[04:57:57] <OverlordQ>	cubs197: if it's in the main template space, hardcoding somebody's sig in there seems non-optimal
[04:57:59] <cubs197>	when the template is added notice that the username pops up! No need to change that!
[04:58:37] <Prodego>	OverlordQ: yes, both are ugly
[04:58:48] <Prodego>	it is best to just let people sign it
[04:58:59] <Splarka>	or create an intermediary template
[04:59:02] <cubs197>	It looks like he's going to use it once, notice: Request for case participation
[04:59:12] <Splarka>	{{subst:foo}} that would drop {{bar|<includeonly>~~</includeonly><includeonly>~~</includeonly>}}
[04:59:37] <Splarka>	or {{bar|{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}}}} or such
[05:00:28] <Splarka>	(the signature/name has to appear somewhere in the page you are saving the template call on, but that can be as a parameter to another template)
[05:00:32] <cubs197>	yes, I got it, all I needed to notice was that the title was wrong on the page, than the real template!
[05:00:34] <OverlordQ>	was just looking at [[w:Template:Mediationnote1]] which should just get burned with fire as it hardcodes both the issue and the sig
[05:00:45] *Splarka 	hardcodes OverlordQ
[05:01:37] <cubs197>	OverlordQ, It looks like he's going to use it once, notice: Request for case participation
[05:02:25] <OverlordQ>	then put it in his userspace putting your personal templates in main template space, I think there's probably a policy on that :P
[05:09:26] <cubs197>	I don't think it is in the main template space, both of those links WERE in his user space, notice User:MacMed/test, and User:MacMed/Mediationnote, User:MacMed/(page name) will always be on his user space, it just branches out from the main user page. That is true for Wikipedia. I'm not sure about mediawiki, but on Wikipedia that is fine
[05:25:09] <Nikerabbit>	morroning
[06:25:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Review-API-Module is not working on WMF-Projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19166  (10paul.copperman)
[06:28:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Review-API-Module is not working on WMF-Projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19166  (10paul.copperman)
[06:47:39] <CIA-79>	03shinjiman * r51783 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[07:01:49] <siebrand>	PHP Notice:  Undefined variable: ip in /var/www/w/includes/ProxyTools.php on line 82
[07:01:59] <siebrand>	(running commandline tools)
[07:02:27] <siebrand>	And another notice and a warning:
[07:02:28] <siebrand>	PHP Notice:  Undefined variable: ipchain in /var/www/w/includes/ProxyTools.php on line 98
[07:02:28] <siebrand>	PHP Warning:  Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /var/www/w/includes/ProxyTools.php on line 98
[07:03:16] *siebrand 	pokes the absent ^demon
[07:18:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Upgrade ogghandler to current version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19169 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (gmaxwell)
[08:03:05] <co>	hi i have a question with user variables
[08:03:22] <co>	which is the on which checks, if I'm already logged in or not?
[08:03:48] <co>	is there something like "user_logged_in=true/false" ?
[08:32:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dutch month names empty on SMW displays - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17882  +comment (10rowan)
[08:48:03] <baDibere>	hi,
[08:48:19] <baDibere>	i want to remove "www" from my subdomain
[08:48:22] <baDibere>	what can i do?
[08:51:14] <baDibere>	i suppose i found it. use "$wgServer" variable
[08:51:16] <baDibere>	see you
[08:59:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Implement user permissions for saving books to the wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18902  +comment (10support)
[09:00:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) The info on special:Version should follow the direction of the language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19170 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (Gerard.meijssen)
[09:17:35] <CIA-79>	03ialex * r51784 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ProxyTools.php: 
[09:17:35] <CIA-79>	Fixes for r51774:
[09:17:35] <CIA-79>	* declare $ip and $ipchain so that it doesn't throw notices and warnings
[09:17:35] <CIA-79>	* don't set $ip to false after getting it from $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'], otherwise it won't work when there's no XFF header
[09:17:35] <CIA-79>	* fix logic when throwing the exception: throw it when there's no IP
[09:35:02] <CIA-79>	03ialex * r51785 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ProxyTools.php: Fix for r51774, r51784: set '127.0.0.1' as IP for CLI, but with explicit check for $wgCommandLineMode so that the exception "Unable to determine IP" is not thrown in this case.
[09:36:26] <chkno>	Can FlaggedRevs be used to prefer no article at all over a newly-added, not yet reviewed article?
[09:42:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Changes to usernames in talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19171 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (billreid400)
[09:43:27] <freakolowsky>	aloha ... 
[09:44:54] <freakolowsky>	i have another user question :D i've been coding MW for a year now, but am still a bit weak on actually using it :D ... anyh� ... how do you create a translation of a page ... 
[09:44:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) set $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey=false for en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16552  (10happy-melon)
[09:50:54] *Splarka 	facepalms
[09:51:13] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Changes to usernames in talk page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19171  +comment (10herd)
[09:53:07] <Splarka>	chkno: don't know personally, but you could disable or restrict arbitrary page creation:  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createpage']       = false;  etc
[09:58:58] <freakolowsky>	yo Splarka ... is there a way to add Common.JS but for a single page?
[09:59:10] <chkno>	Splarka: Yea, I don't want to lock it down quite that much.  Thanks, though.
[09:59:38] <Splarka>	freakolowsky: no, but you can have js just for one page
[09:59:49] <freakolowsky>	do tell
[10:00:06] <Splarka>	in MediaWiki:Common.js have: if(wgPageName == 'whatever') importScript('MediaWiki:Common.js/something.js')
[10:00:33] <freakolowsky>	k ... was thinking in that direction but i was hoping for options
[10:00:41] <Splarka>	that is options! 
[10:00:55] <Splarka>	you want the html to actually change for that page? a new <script> ?
[10:01:06] <freakolowsky>	that's a single option of doing it ... was hoping for multi-choice :D
[10:01:27] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName = 'Main_Page') importScript('MediaWiki:Common.js/main.js')
[10:01:48] <Splarka>	er
[10:01:51] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName == 'Main_Page') importScript('MediaWiki:Common.js/main.js')
[10:01:53] <Splarka>	heh
[10:02:08] <Splarka>	or something like:  if(wgPageName == 'Flibble' || wgPageName == 'Blibble' || wgPageName == 'Wibble') importScript('MediaWiki:Common.js/ibble.js')
[10:02:24] <Splarka>	or just put the JS in the if() instad of an import
[10:02:33] <freakolowsky>	yup .. i get it ... 10x
[10:02:34] *Splarka 	wonders where his typing went
[10:02:39] <Splarka>	if you wanna get freaky
[10:02:55] <Splarka>	create a parser extension <tag> that creates a new <script>
[10:02:57] <freakolowsky>	:D already there :D
[10:04:21] <freakolowsky>	another thin ... can i override default interface language from within a page content ... a magic word like abracadabra or sth?
[10:05:00] *freakolowsky 	hates being a user :S coding rulez
[10:05:48] <Splarka>	ehm, dunno about that one
[10:06:29] <Splarka>	that'd probably be possible with a parser tag, like <uselang lang="fr"> or something, but requiring php knowledges
[10:07:19] <freakolowsky>	trying to create multilanguage wiki on a single instance
[10:08:01] <Splarka>	I'd probably do it in javascript... if(wgPageName == 'Frogs' && wgUserLanguage != 'fr') document.location.href = wgScript + '?title=' + wgPageName + '&uselang=fr'
[10:08:24] <Splarka>	oh, and wgAction == 'view'
[10:08:42] <Splarka>	your ultimate solution would probably be separate wikis for each lang
[10:08:53] <Splarka>	or bug Nikerabbit for what the best trick is
[10:09:52] <freakolowsky>	well setting up three wikis for a 3 multilingual pages :D overkill :D 
[10:10:00] <freakolowsky>	i'll go with the js tricks
[10:10:40] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: me?
[10:10:53] <freakolowsky>	who else :D
[10:11:41] <Nikerabbit>	freakolowsky: if you want structured translation of pages with change tracking, all in one wiki... you can use my extension
[10:13:43] <freakolowsky>	lol ... your user page is in finish ... i'm not drunk enough to read that :D
[10:14:11] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: does (or will it someday) your extension work on the UI too?
[10:14:40] <Nikerabbit>	freakolowsky: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Page_translation#Documentation
[10:14:47] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: define work
[10:14:47] <siebrand>	Splarka: what functionality exactly?
[10:15:09] <Splarka>	what freakolowsky asked above
[10:15:36] <Splarka>	eg: visit a page in his french section, see french UI
[10:16:02] <Nikerabbit>	doable
[10:16:14] *siebrand 	mumbles something about caching requirement making things difficult.
[10:16:39] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: it's per page and for anonymous... it shouldn't affect caching negatively
[10:16:43] *freakolowsky 	totally overhears siebrand's mumblings
[10:17:22] <Splarka>	hmmm, I remember some have asked for specific skins for specific pages in the past
[10:17:36] <freakolowsky>	DAMN ... nike ... this wiki is still on 1.13 :S
[10:18:24] <Nikerabbit>	i have only tested compatability down to 14
[10:19:26] <freakolowsky>	weeeeeeeeel ... i think due to the fact that this is a manualy recoded 1.13 instalation on oracle ... i think i'll just do the js tricks for those three pages :D
[10:19:51] <Nikerabbit>	or you could fix up my queries :)
[10:20:46] <freakolowsky>	:D i could ... but ATM i have a lot to do and i'm off to vacation next week ... so ... maybe when i come back ... 
[10:21:04] *freakolowsky 	still doesn't know how he'll survive a month without his laptop :S
[10:21:42] <Nikerabbit>	i waas a week without permanent internet connection
[10:21:51] <freakolowsky>	HORRRIBLE!
[10:21:55] <freakolowsky>	:D
[10:25:30] <freakolowsky>	what's Main_page called in german Hauptseite?
[10:26:20] <CIA-79>	03ialex * r51786 10/trunk/extensions/ (NewestPages/NewestPages.php StalePages/StalePages.php): Consistent casing beetween $wgSpecialPages definition and alias list so that it doesn't throw "E_NOTICE: Found Stalepages for StalePages with casefix" (same for NewestPages) when linking to them
[10:29:35] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: yay is it useful
[10:29:47] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: hehe :)
[10:30:04] <Nikerabbit>	was that a yes or no? :o
[10:30:16] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: it was 'yes'
[10:30:42] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: but still have to fix Notice:  Did not find name for special page NoticeText [Called from SpecialPage::getTitleFor in /Library/WebServer/Documents/phase3/includes/SpecialPage.php at line 623] in /Library/WebServer/Documents/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 3043
[10:30:58] <ialex>	(CentralAuth doesn't have an alias file)
[10:31:10] <ialex>	*CentralNotice
[10:32:07] <freakolowsky>	any Germans indahouse?
[10:32:36] <Nikerabbit>	tut mir leid, ich bin nicht
[10:32:43] <freakolowsky>	SPELLCHECK : Hauptseite in der Deutsche sprache
[10:32:46] <freakolowsky>	:D
[10:33:28] <ialex>	freakolowsky: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite
[10:34:04] <freakolowsky>	i found that ... just need a spellcheck for that sentence ... is it "in der" or "im" ... 
[10:34:45] <Nikerabbit>	in + dative or what?
[10:34:47] <ialex>	"die Seite"
[10:35:06] <ialex>	so it should be "in der Seite"
[10:35:27] <ialex>	(no guarantee at all)
[10:35:33] <freakolowsky>	hmmm ... danke herr Professor :D
[10:35:39] <freakolowsky>	yeah i know ... GPL :D
[10:35:59] <ialex>	:D
[10:36:37] <freakolowsky>	ps ialex ... you was right with die ... but sie Sprache not die Seite :D
[10:37:03] <Splarka>	heh
[10:37:13] <Splarka>	btw freakolowsky: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslations&message=Mainpage&namespace=8
[10:37:58] <freakolowsky>	:D
[10:38:40] <Nikerabbit>	Iphepha Elingundoqo
[10:40:44] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Implement user permissions for saving books to the wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18902  (10support)
[10:41:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement user permissions for saving books to the wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18902  (10support)
[10:57:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show ogg file size (in KiB or so) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19172 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (tbertels+bugzilla)
[11:01:19] <freakolowsky>	one dirty hack a day ... keeps the bosses at bay :D
[11:02:01] <CIA-79>	03thomasv * r51787 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ (ProofreadPage.i18n.php ProofreadPage.php): adding from...to parameters to pagelist
[11:17:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) animated gif resize not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19173 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (difpublic)
[11:18:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) animated gif resize not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19173  (10difpublic)
[11:19:00] <CIA-79>	03thomasv * r51788 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: the index page may contain several pagelists (follow-up to r51787)
[11:48:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cite pages date/time stamp error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19132  +comment (10happy-melon)
[11:50:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) animated gif resize not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19173  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[11:53:30] <Splarka>	and if it did work, they'd open a bug "Animed gif thumbnailing runs out of memory"
[11:58:13] <domas>	=)
[12:00:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Rename "Wikibugs" Component - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19174 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (p858snake)
[12:02:37] <mib_q7jagq>	hi, i've updates to media wiki 1.5 and setup some tags in the db, but how do i use them in the edit summary? is there a special syntax, i tried for example tag:category or category, but that didn't affect my category tag
[12:04:40] <p858snake>	Tagging is a automated system that is designed for other extenstions to interface with (such as abusefilter) (well thats my understanding anyways)
[12:07:02] <mib_q7jagq>	hm :( the abuse filter extension was also my only hint how to use tags, but i can't imaging that such a usefull feature is only available for extensions
[12:08:07] <Platonides>	mib_q7jagq, 1.5 or 1.15?
[12:09:35] <mib_q7jagq>	yes, sorry 1.15.0
[12:16:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Deleted Messages in MediaWiki Namespage confusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19175 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (jidanni)
[12:29:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted Messages in MediaWiki Namespage confusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19175  +comment (10p858snake)
[12:31:08] <freakolowsky>	hey ... when can i expect English-Pirate UI langugage in MW :D
[12:31:46] <p858snake>	when someone at translate wiki does it
[12:32:03] <ramanK>	hi there
[12:32:41] <freakolowsky>	lol ramanK ... anonimisation :D
[12:33:23] <Guest28324>	I want to create a table 
[12:33:47] <Guest28324>	I copied a sample of mediawiki help pages
[12:34:08] <Guest28324>	but it doesn't work
[12:34:13] <Guest28324>	what can I do?
[12:34:33] <freakolowsky>	doesn't work in what way?
[12:34:58] <ialex>	Guest28324: I suppose you want the table's styles
[12:35:23] <Guest28324>	yes , the wikitable class related tables
[12:35:44] <ialex>	you need to get it from MediaWiki:Common.css and copy it to your wiki
[12:36:11] <CIA-79>	03thomasv * r51789 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ (ProofreadPage.i18n.php ProofreadPage.php): handle more errors; use from..to params for pages
[12:36:38] <Guest28324>	ialex: I'm not a administrator , what can i do?
[12:36:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted Messages in MediaWiki Namespage confusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19175  (10jidanni)
[12:37:51] <ialex>	Guest28324: you'll need to hardcode it in table's style
[12:38:35] <Guest28324>	ialex: wow , you means in every page that includes it?
[12:40:59] <ialex>	or ask a sysop to include it in MediaWiki:Common.css
[12:41:55] <Guest28324>	ialex: thanks , have a nice day
[12:47:47] <p858snake>	i thought the wikitable class got hardcoaded into the core these days
[12:48:45] <CIA-79>	03thomasv * r51790 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: fix
[12:55:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) animated gif resize not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19173  (10difpublic)
[13:23:13] <CIA-79>	03thomasv * r51791 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: style changes only; no functional change
[13:24:20] <jcw>	How does one properly clear the memcache from the command line?
[13:24:35] <freakolowsky>	svn info ... how do you co the trunk and then merge it localy with a branch?
[13:25:17] <freakolowsky>	jcw ... init 6 :D
[13:25:26] <jcw>	Ummmm... No?
[13:25:57] <freakolowsky>	joke ... note the :D at the end
[13:26:42] <jcw>	I know, I've been using the intertubes since before we had usenet news.
[13:27:10] <jcw>	Seriously though, is restarting apache enough?  
[13:27:53] <freakolowsky>	afik i think so ... stopped using apache 2y ago
[13:28:04] <jcw>	Yea?  What are you using now?
[13:28:32] <freakolowsky>	nginx ... another likable product of motha' russia :D
[13:28:55] <jcw>	Let me guess... "In Soviet Russia, nginx uses you!"
[13:28:59] <freakolowsky>	have it on all servers except oracle-native apache and tomcats
[13:30:28] <freakolowsky>	well it's lightweight but has plenty of modules ... runs smooth on even the weakest VPS-s and it's easy to configure and maintain
[13:31:24] <Duesentrieb>	jcw, freakolowsky: memcached is a standalone service, restarting apache does notthing to it.
[13:31:33] <Duesentrieb>	you have to restart memcached iteself
[13:31:45] <Duesentrieb>	/etc/init.d/memcached restart
[13:32:23] <freakolowsky>	Duesentrieb ... true, but doesn't memcache drop automaticaly when you drop aache
[13:32:34] <Duesentrieb>	why would it?
[13:32:38] <Duesentrieb>	it has nothing to do with apache#
[13:32:44] <jcw>	I guess it's a moot point, since I'm not running the memcached daemon...
[13:32:51] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[13:33:23] <jcw>	I noticed that in the HTML output of a wiki page, it gives a cache date and time.  It's not being smart and caching it in a SQL table or anything, is it?
[13:33:24] <freakolowsky>	Duesentrieb ... hmmm ... i guess we just had our scripts setup that way :D 
[13:33:43] <Duesentrieb>	well *thats* possible
[13:33:54] <jcw>	<!-- Saved in parser cache with key wikidb:pcache:idhash:113-0!1!0!!en!2!edit=0 and timestamp 20090611145932 --> 
[13:33:58] <jcw>	This is why I ask.
[13:34:01] <Duesentrieb>	jcw: jes, it does exactly that
[13:34:06] <freakolowsky>	:D probabble more likely
[13:34:10] <Duesentrieb>	parser cache goes to mysql per default
[13:34:24] <jcw>	OK, how does one clear that cache?
[13:34:28] <Duesentrieb>	!purge
[13:34:28] --mwbot--	To purge a cached page, such as when making changes to the navigation bar, add &action=purge to the end of the page url, or ?action=purge if using Simple URLs. E.g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge
[13:34:44] <jcw>	No command line version that clears all cached items?
[13:34:49] <freakolowsky>	ReAsk : svn info ... how do you co the trunk and then merge it localy with a branch?
[13:34:53] <Duesentrieb>	jcw: touch LocalSettings.php
[13:35:00] <jcw>	Ahhh.  Cool.
[13:35:09] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[13:35:16] <freakolowsky>	Duesentrieb ... that works???
[13:35:16] *Duesentrieb 	lobbied for that magic for like half a year
[13:35:32] <Duesentrieb>	freakolowsky: it does, unlesws you have a very old localsettings.php
[13:35:52] <freakolowsky>	well paint me green and call me a martian
[13:36:10] <Duesentrieb>	$configdate = gmdate( 'YmdHis', @filemtime( __FILE__ ) );
[13:36:12] <Duesentrieb>	$wgCacheEpoch = max( $wgCacheEpoch, $configdate );
[13:36:19] <Duesentrieb>	^--- that's the magic lines in LocalSettings.php
[13:39:41] <jcw>	You da man.
[13:40:22] <freakolowsky>	i second that!
[13:42:58] <Duesentrieb>	\o/
[13:44:16] <jcw>	Of course, maybe we need to be P.C.  For all *I* know, you could be a really hot Austrian chix0r.  Sooo....
[13:44:18] <jcw>	You da person.
[13:44:39] <freakolowsky>	LOL @ P.C. move
[13:44:49] <freakolowsky>	what if he is a martian?
[13:45:11] <Duesentrieb>	$superlativ $entity
[13:45:12] <freakolowsky>	or highly inteligent shade of blue
[13:45:15] <jcw>	Does 'person' == 'human'?  Otherwise, we'd have humanalities instead of personalities, right?
[13:46:46] <freakolowsky>	i think we'll have this debate again once the vulcans come for a cup of coffe ...
[13:55:01] <Sonja>	i'm editing common.css for monobook (default skin). i changed the border colours #content {border-top: 1px solid #111199; border-bottom: 1px solid #111199 ; border-left: 1px solid #111199;} but i dunno how to change the borders of the left-side nav boxes
[14:02:41] <rainman-sr>	btw Duesentrieb who is rama?
[14:03:00] <rainman-sr>	i don't remember meeting him/her
[14:08:43] <Duesentrieb>	rainman-sr: you probably didn't. very active on commons. and he's into LSI and other mathematical/statistical aspects of language processing
[14:08:57] <Duesentrieb>	rainman-sr: he's also well known for his drawings of sex acts :)
[14:09:29] <Duesentrieb>	he's swiss, i met him at the last ccc in berlin
[14:09:53] <rainman-sr>	i see
[14:10:36] <rainman-sr>	there were some sonivis people at conference though, right? or were making some other text-mining thing?
[14:11:07] <freakolowsky>	ccc as in Chaos show?
[14:26:43] <n0yd>	Could someone be kind enough to pastebin a sample LocalSettings.php? I accidentally rm'd mine
[14:27:56] <freakolowsky>	run the install script again
[14:27:57] <freakolowsky>	:D
[14:28:29] <n0yd>	I suppose :)
[14:29:25] <freakolowsky>	LocalSettings tend to be specific for instalation ... u know ... dirs, usernames, passwords and such
[14:30:14] <n0yd>	right, i just want a sample
[14:30:21] <n0yd>	ive completely deleted mine
[14:30:39] <n0yd>	Running the install script doesn't appear to be an option
[14:30:51] <^demon>	freakolowsky: hi :)
[14:31:06] <hesco>	can anyone please advise me how to add custom links to the menu in the left sidebar?
[14:31:16] <freakolowsky>	^demon ... just the guy(ehm ... person) i was thinking about
[14:31:20] <roberthl>	!sidebar | hesco 
[14:31:20] --mwbot--	hesco: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[14:31:48] <hesco>	thanks roberthl
[14:32:04] <roberthl>	np
[14:32:39] <n0yd>	freakolowsky, could you just pastebin yours? with the field left blank
[14:33:28] <^demon>	freakolowsky: what did i do now? ;-)
[14:34:49] <n0yd>	nvm, I forgot about defaultsettings, heh
[14:35:08] <freakolowsky>	^demon: nothin, nothin ... i just co-ed the maintenance work branch ... will all the new scripts be independednt of DB abstraction?
[14:36:54] <^demon>	freakolowsky: eventually :) some need cleanup. feel free to contribute working patches :)
[14:37:23] <freakolowsky>	^demon: that was the intention behind my checkout ;)
[14:37:50] <freakolowsky>	just don't go all mysql wild on me next month while i'm on vacation
[14:38:07] <^demon>	:p
[14:39:04] <freakolowsky>	PS: any devs from(or intent on visiting in next month) cambodia or thailand? :D
[14:39:40] <^demon>	freakolowsky: also, theres a subpage to my userpage on mw.org about the status. may want to watchlist it.
[14:40:00] <freakolowsky>	will do
[14:41:21] <freakolowsky>	done
[14:45:27] <freakolowsky>	PS: ^demon you've gained points in my book for FINALLY droping the AdminSettings
[14:45:50] <GreenReaper>	There's no AdminSettings now?
[14:47:23] <freakolowsky>	no ... gone ... deleted ... purged from memory ... dropped with cascade option ... redo logs truncated ... partition table scrambled ...
[14:47:27] *GreenReaper 	never had much use for that file, just one more place a password needed setting.
[14:47:29] <freakolowsky>	but only in a branch :D
[14:47:38] <freakolowsky>	Xactly!!
[14:48:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can not print out a PDF file of enwiki article Uniforms of the United States Marine Corps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19167   +shell; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:24:31] <CIA-79>	03daniel * r51792 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/ (config.sample.php wwutils.php): wwFakeCommonsPlural
[15:24:55] <CIA-79>	03daniel * r51793 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWord/src/main/php/wwutils.php: wwFakeCommonsPlural
[15:27:32] <elysianfields>	I'm trying to edit the sidebar by adding to the content of MediaWiki:Sidebar. I'm doing it using doEdit() on the $sidebarPage, but for some reason it's not showing the changes... do I need to put that code within some specialpage hook?
[15:28:06] <Annemarie>	Huh?
[15:28:15] <Annemarie>	Wiki pages can't use arbitrary PHP...
[15:28:42] <flyingparchment>	i think he means he has an extension and is trying to edit the sidebar page from inside it
[15:28:49] <elysianfields>	yes.
[15:29:11] <Annemarie>	Make sure you're not hitting cache?
[15:29:32] <elysianfields>	what do you mean?
[15:29:34] <Annemarie>	And I'm not sure you want doEdit(). That sounds wrong.
[15:29:38] <Annemarie>	The sidebar is cached.
[15:29:46] <Annemarie>	Usually.
[15:29:47] <elysianfields>	So what would be the correct way of doing it?
[15:29:51] <Annemarie>	No idea.
[15:30:08] <elysianfields>	well, thanks anyway.
[15:33:48] <hippietrail>	i wonder why the dump process doesn't include a list of page titles for the talk and user namespaces. to get such info you must download the entire meta pages dump which in the case of enwiktionary is bigger than the pages articles dump
[15:54:48] <MegaBurn>	site config question, anyone know how to make short url's work with rss feeds? both the feed url and the links in the feed are exposing the real script path instead of using the /wiki alias
[15:55:25] <MegaBurn>	I noticed the same is true of feeds on mediawiki.org, url is /w not /wiki
[15:58:58] <faceface>	hi, #php seems full, so here I am
[15:59:22] <faceface>	the following seems to work "<?php ini_set( 'memory_limit', '64M' ); phpinfo(); ?>
[15:59:25] <faceface>	"
[16:00:07] <faceface>	i.e. viewing the result in my browser, I see the value of memory_limit change from 16 (the default without the ini command) to 64 (the value I set)
[16:01:05] <faceface>	but setting ini_set( 'post_max_size', '9M' ); ini_set( 'upload_max_filesize', '20M' ); has no effect
[16:01:27] <faceface>	i.e. the values do not change from there defaults (of 8M and 2M, respectively)
[16:01:40] <faceface>	how should I upload a big file to the wiki?
[16:01:58] <faceface>	and yes, I have read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads - why else would I be playing with ini_set?
[16:02:21] <faceface>	is there an uber setting the controls how var ini_set can go?
[16:03:18] <faceface>	is anyone here?
[16:05:06] <Ryan_Lane>	faceface: yes, let me look a sec
[16:05:11] <faceface>	:D
[16:05:26] <avar>	werdna: I'll be at c-base in ~1 hour
[16:05:30] <jcw>	includes/DefaultSettings.php
[16:05:39] <jcw>	$wgMaxUploadSize
[16:05:41] <Ryan_Lane>	faceface: do you have root?
[16:05:57] <Nikerabbit>	hi rainman-sr 
[16:06:10] <Ryan_Lane>	jcw: if your memory size is too low, php will crash if you try to upload a really large file.
[16:06:28] <Nikerabbit>	hi avar
[16:06:41] <faceface>	jcw: the error I get in httpd/logs/error_log is from PHP, and MW gives no warnings
[16:06:50] <faceface>	Ryan_Lane: nope nope
[16:06:54] <werdna>	avar: yay!
[16:07:18] <faceface>	[Fri Jun 12 16:42:37 2009] [error] [client 10.0.3.23] PHP Warning:  POST Content-Length of 18188292 bytes exceeds the limit of 8388608 bytes in Unknown on line 0, referer: https://me.wiki/wiki/Special:Upload
[16:07:32] <Ryan_Lane>	faceface: did you change the option in LocalSettings.php for php memory size?
[16:07:44] <werdna>	faceface: so increase post_max_size or whatever
[16:07:49] <faceface>	Ryan_Lane: yeah, I set the ini_set in Localsettings.php
[16:08:08] <faceface>	werdna: no root
[16:08:22] <faceface>	but ini_set works for one ini setting but not another...
[16:08:41] <Ryan_Lane>	faceface: if the php.ini file is limiting memory you may be SOL
[16:08:52] <faceface>	SOL?
[16:09:01] <Pinky>	out of luck
[16:09:09] <jcw>	steal root, fix it right.
[16:09:18] <faceface>	Ryan_Lane: to re-itterate, php.ini sets a memory limit, however, setting ini_set in Localsettings.php overcomes this issue
[16:09:23] <Ryan_Lane>	faceface: did you increase the post limit in apache?
[16:09:25] <faceface>	jcw: right
[16:09:40] <werdna>	faceface: ini_set may not work for post_max_size
[16:09:46] <faceface>	Ryan_Lane: yeah, I get a different error message in the error log when I make that value limiting
[16:09:58] <faceface>	werdna: ini_set does not work for post_max_size
[16:10:10] <faceface>	(empirically) - I wonders why....
[16:10:25] <Ryan_Lane>	faceface: have you talked to your hosting provider about this?
[16:10:36] <faceface>	Ryan_Lane: he is on holiday ;-)
[16:10:37] <jcw>	http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.ini-set.php#22264
[16:10:42] <jcw>	Google is your friend.
[16:10:55] <faceface>	I think Google talks about me behind my back
[16:11:06] <jcw>	No, that's bing.
[16:11:15] <faceface>	and says nasty things :( and tell my other friends that I am nasty :(
[16:11:29] <faceface>	google is only my friend when he wants to be 
[16:11:53] <faceface>	jcw: thanks for the link
[16:13:34] <faceface>	What I'll do is break up the PDF into smaller chunks because 20M is silly
[16:13:42] <faceface>	its mostly dross
[16:13:45] <faceface>	thanks for help dudeds
[16:15:01] <faceface>	jcw: that explaination dosn't explain why I dont' see the bump in phpinfo()
[16:15:12] <faceface>	when I 'bump the value' before calling phpinfo
[16:15:17] <faceface>	https://www.compbio.dundee.ac.uk/potato/phpinfo.bigpost.php
[16:15:26] <faceface>	https://www.compbio.dundee.ac.uk/potato/phpinfo.bigmem.php
[16:15:34] <faceface>	https://www.compbio.dundee.ac.uk/potato/phpinfo.php
[16:16:19] <faceface>	see also the .phps versions of those
[16:17:52] <jcw>	I dunno.  I'm not a PHP guy, except when I have to be.  I prefer C, Forth and just about any assembly.  Oh, and Perl, when I'm feeling a need to torture myself.
[16:18:00] <werdna>	lol php
[16:18:19] <jcw>	(I tried cutting myself, but I found that Perl hurt more, so I stuck with that)
[16:18:35] <werdna>	hi yannf 
[16:19:10] <faceface>	I loves the Perl
[16:19:16] <yannf>	hi werdna 
[16:19:20] <yannf>	and others
[16:20:46] <werdna>	perl is fun, you just have to get it
[16:21:02] <werdna>	it's very nice because it's very consistent and it behaves like you expect it to behave
[16:21:22] <werdna>	it has some rough parts, like its OO
[16:21:28] <werdna>	but overall it's a nice prototyping language
[16:22:31] <Nikerabbit>	hello werdna
[16:25:39] <werdna>	hi Nikerabbit 
[16:26:51] <pg1054>	Good morning.  i'm installing MediaWiki @ a shared host.  php5 is via fcgid.  If I use the ISP's php-cgi, @ install-page submit, all's well.  If I use *my* php-cgi, install fails with an InternalServerERror, and log shows only:
[16:26:58] <pg1054>	[Fri Jun 12 08:46:06 2009] [error] Premature end of script headers: index.php, referer: http://mydomain.net/wiki/config/index.php
[16:26:58] <pg1054>	so _something_ is different between the 2 php builds/configs.
[16:27:08] <Nikerabbit>	HelLViS69 is investigating the wonders of away nick flooding? :o
[16:27:09] <pg1054>	I'm going over configs line-by-line, and so far i've not found the problem.  I'll continue, of  course, but --
[16:27:15] <pg1054>	anyone have a hint as to what the problem _might_ be?
[16:27:49] <flyingparchment>	HelLViS69: stop that
[16:29:13] <Nikerabbit>	applause
[16:30:38] <Skizzerz>	flyingparchment: /remove works most of the time as well if you don't want them to autorejoin :)
[16:30:47] <flyingparchment>	::: Unknown command: REMOVE
[16:30:55] <Skizzerz>	/quote remove then
[16:31:13] <Skizzerz>	/quote remove #channel user :reason
[16:31:20] <flyingparchment>	hm, that is not a standard IRC command.  what does it do?
[16:31:35] <Skizzerz>	forces the user to /part the channel
[16:31:46] <aZaFred>	hmmmmm
[16:31:53] <Skizzerz>	lemme get a client on, hold up
[16:32:17] <flyingparchment>	i actually have an alias already to kb someone then remove the ban
[16:33:01] <aZaFred>	I didn't know about that either... 
[16:33:08] <Skizzerz>	it's a freenode thing
[16:33:09] <aZaFred>	nifty
[16:33:15] <flyingparchment>	seems kind of pointless
[16:33:33] <Skizzerz>	replaces three commands with one :)
[16:33:40] <flyingparchment>	not really
[16:33:40] <Skizzerz>	ban, kick, unban -> remove
[16:33:47] <Skizzerz>	of course, scripts make it pointless
[16:33:50] <flyingparchment>	if everyone used that, people would just start writing auto-rejoin so it works with remove too
[16:33:50] <aZaFred>	2 commands if you leave the ban in place :p
[16:33:59] <flyingparchment>	then you'd have to ban, remove, unban
[16:34:05] <Skizzerz>	yeah
[16:34:13] *Skizzerz 	has an autorejoin script for that, actually xD
[16:34:30] <Skizzerz>	just match "requested by" at the beginning of the reason
[16:34:35] <aZaFred>	it comes standard with most clients these days
[16:34:51] <flyingparchment>	aZaFred: auto-rejoin that works with the freenode-specific "remove" feature is standard in most clients?
[16:35:01] <aZaFred>	oh that I don't know
[16:35:08] <aZaFred>	oooh I see your point
[16:35:30] <aZaFred>	since you don't actually get kicked out, the auto-rejoin doesn't kick in
[16:35:31] <aZaFred>	nice
[16:35:54] <aZaFred>	(/me is only on his first coffee... not all there yet)
[16:41:54] <chkno>	Can FlaggedRevs be used to prefer no article at all over a newly-added, not yet reviewed article?
[16:47:40] <Prodego>	I don;t think so
[16:47:44] <Prodego>	don't*
[17:07:20] <Ribet_Ruwet>	halow
[17:07:22] <Ribet_Ruwet>	dwakakka
[17:07:29] <Ribet_Ruwet>	hah
[17:07:31] <Ribet_Ruwet>	napow
[17:07:34] <Ribet_Ruwet>	matet
[17:08:05] <roberthl>	hi, what do you wnat?
[17:08:16] <Ribet_Ruwet>	what
[17:08:32] <Ribet_Ruwet>	what i want is nothin'
[17:13:42] <Ribet_Ruwet>	what
[17:14:16] <Ribet_Ruwet>	?
[17:14:25] <roberthl>	Ribet_Ruwet: If you don't have anything constructive to say, please don't say anything.
[17:14:28] <Ribet_Ruwet>	dwakkakaka
[17:20:13] <werdna>	Ribet_Ruwet: don't be a pain, please
[17:32:09] <Nikerabbit>	bah
[17:32:26] <Nikerabbit>	somebody is building msql support and keeping it all to his own?
[17:33:50] <flyingparchment>	mSQL?  hasn't that been obsolete for many years?
[17:35:43] <Skizzerz>	lol
[17:37:20] <Skizzerz>	if we were going to support another backend type, I'd vote flatfile, simply because it'd make it easier for company wikis to import data from spreadsheets :P
[17:37:41] <Skizzerz>	(seriously, I've probably seen people asking how they can import spreadsheet data at least 50 times)
[17:37:45] <flyingparchment>	our current abstraction layer makes it very difficult to support databases that aren't based on sql
[17:38:14] <harriv>	=> fsql :)
[17:38:29] <Skizzerz>	that's why you basically rewrite every function in the sub class (or w/e a child class is called)
[17:38:45] <GreenReaper>	I was working for a company that wants to embed spreadsheets and pivot tables.
[17:38:49] <Skizzerz>	of course, that would involve, as mentioned, rewriting every function in Db.php
[17:38:59] <GreenReaper>	There's a real demand out there for something to compete with Microsoft's office-based system.
[17:39:07] <GreenReaper>	Excel Services and the like.
[17:39:17] <Skizzerz>	GreenReaper: oo.org?
[17:39:31] <GreenReaper>	Skizzerz: Unfortunately they don't really seem to offer the server-based model.
[17:39:35] <chuck>	docs.google.com?
[17:39:42] <chuck>	SocialText?
[17:39:56] <GreenReaper>	chuck: Yes, for the spreadsheets, but the pivot table extension doesn't work well.
[17:40:02] <Skizzerz>	PaperAndPencil?
[17:40:23] <GreenReaper>	We've ended up going with Zoho (a Google Docs competitor)
[17:40:25] <Skizzerz>	of course, the current version of that doesn't support internet connections unless you get the ScanAndFax plugin
[17:40:28] <GreenReaper>	even that's not perfect though
[17:40:54] <GreenReaper>	You can embed display but embedding editing is just not there and solid yet.
[17:42:19] <chuck>	Is Zoho's website supposed to look as bland as it does?
[17:42:24] <GreenReaper>	Yes
[17:42:38] <GreenReaper>	Well, it's meant to have icons.
[17:42:53] <GreenReaper>	But bland is in.
[17:43:21] *GreenReaper 	hopes to start a craze where you get your home page into four packets.
[17:43:26] <GreenReaper>	(images included)
[17:47:25] <bsm>	hi, I'm updating from 1.13 to 1.15 and when trying to run the update script I get the error "Fatal error: Class 'Parser_OldPP' not found in /var/www/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 2602"
[17:49:43] <Nikerabbit>	sounds like some files were not updated properly
[17:51:04] <elysianfields>	A question about stylesheets: what's the best way to include styles for an extension? I am currently using $out->addStyle() in BeforePageDisplay but for some reason the default mediawiki formatting of div tags is overriding my stylesheet formatting.
[17:51:37] <Nikerabbit>	or you have configured it to use the old parser, which does not exist anymore
[17:51:42] <bsm>	Nikerabbit: I checked that, all files were replaced correctly
[17:52:03] <bsm>	ah damn
[17:52:08] <Nikerabbit>	elysianfields: as far as I know mediawiki doesn't style div tags by default
[17:52:12] <bsm>	what is the name of the new parser?
[17:52:30] <ialex>	bsm: Parser
[17:52:37] <elysianfields>	Nikerabbit: But it displays them with a dashed outline, not the way I specified in my stylesheet.
[17:52:46] <Nikerabbit>	bsm: have you set wgParserConf ?
[17:52:54] <Nikerabbit>	elysianfields: div or pre?
[17:53:01] <elysianfields>	div
[17:53:17] <bsm>	Nikerabbit: thanks, I guess I configured the old parser for something I don't remember
[17:53:20] <bsm>	I corrected it
[17:53:22] <Nikerabbit>	like I said, mediawiki does not add any general style to divs by default
[17:53:43] <elysianfields>	Hmm. Well that's odd.
[17:53:46] <Nikerabbit>	are you, like in MediaWiki:common.css ?
[17:54:19] <elysianfields>	Yes.
[17:54:22] <bsm>	ah, next error "Fatal error: Call to a member function getPrefixedDBkey() on a non-object in /var/www/wiki/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 1038" 
[17:54:23] <bsm>	:D
[17:54:42] <Nikerabbit>	how did you do that...
[17:55:16] <Nikerabbit>	bsm: are you still setting the preprocessor?
[17:55:49] <Nikerabbit>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_15/phase3/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php?annotate=50060#l1038
[17:56:03] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51794 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Switched language of tabs from generic and monobook specific stuff to vector specific messages where possible
[17:56:53] <bsm>	Nikerabbit: which option is it?
[17:57:07] <Nikerabbit>	bsm: the same
[17:58:30] <bsm>	Nikerabbit: $wgParserConf = array ('class'=>'Parser'); that is my current option
[17:59:19] <CIA-79>	03simetrical * r51795 10/trunk/ (13 files in 8 dirs): 
[17:59:19] <CIA-79>	Make Database into abstract class DatabaseBase
[17:59:19] <CIA-79>	All other databases were changed to extend DatabaseBase instead of
[17:59:19] <CIA-79>	Database. Database was kept as an alias for DatabaseMysql for
[17:59:19] <CIA-79>	compatibility. Existing explicit references to Database that I could
[17:59:19] <CIA-79>	find were changed to DatabaseMysql for the sake of clarity.
[17:59:23] <CIA-79>	Should cause no functional changes.
[17:59:33] <Nikerabbit>	bsm: just comment it out fully?
[18:00:44] <Nikerabbit>	or try adding 'preprocessorClass' => 'Preprocessor_Hash' to it
[18:02:34] <bsm>	already tried that
[18:02:47] <Nikerabbit>	and?
[18:02:53] <bsm>	the hash preprocessor gives me "Fatal error: Call to a member function getPrefixedDBkey() on a non-object in /var/www/wiki/includes/parser/Preprocessor_Hash.php on line 983"
[18:03:04] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[18:03:15] <bsm>	yup
[18:03:35] <bsm>	I'm looking for other option that I maybe added for testing purpose
[18:04:51] <Nikerabbit>	can you add throw new MWException("foo"); before that line and catch the backstrace?
[18:06:14] <chuck>	TrevorParscal: is vector going to be the default skin on wikimedia once it's finished?
[18:07:55] <TrevorParscal>	chuck: at some point yes
[18:08:18] <bsm>	Nikerabbit: http://nopaste.info/5b2786f12c.html
[18:09:32] <chuck>	TrevorParscal: for mediawiki too?
[18:10:01] <TrevorParscal>	chuck: I don't know about that
[18:10:21] <TrevorParscal>	our focus is on wikipedia and other wikimedia projects
[18:11:40] <Nikerabbit>	bsm: yeah, I have no idea... maybe file a bug or ask Tim-away when is not away? or do you have some extension or other things that can cause this?
[18:11:47] <chuck>	TrevorParscal: I don't really like how the history tab is called "View History". For some reason, I think of "view" as a noun when I read that tab
[18:12:13] <bsm>	Nikerabbit: I'm trying now which extension this could cause. thanks anyway
[18:12:14] <TrevorParscal>	View as a noun?
[18:12:26] <Skizzerz>	sure
[18:12:38] <Skizzerz>	"The view from this balcony is splendid"
[18:12:40] <TrevorParscal>	like, this is a nice View
[18:12:42] <Simetrical>	Do you think the same when you read "view source"?
[18:12:50] <Nikerabbit>	why view and not show :o
[18:13:04] <Nikerabbit>	we are giving orders to the computer, after all
[18:13:04] <flyingparchment>	"view history" sounds like a history of views
[18:13:06] <TrevorParscal>	Simetrical: we felt that way too
[18:13:24] <flyingparchment>	"view source" seems like the source of a view ... which is what it is ;)
[18:13:35] <Skizzerz>	view sounds more French than show, and French sounds elegant when heard by many English speakers :D
[18:13:44] <Simetrical>	In the English localization we mostly use verbs in the imperative, indicating what the reader wants to do rather than what the reader wants the software to do.
[18:14:00] <Simetrical>	"show source" is an instruction to the software, "view source" is what I want to do.
[18:14:04] <Skizzerz>	darn, I thought I had it
[18:14:08] <Simetrical>	Well, imperative or infinitive or something, it's hard to tell in English.
[18:14:13] <TrevorParscal>	flyingparchment: it's not the source of a view, its the source of the article - and you are saying, computer, please show me a view of the source
[18:14:14] <Simetrical>	Although sometimes we use nouns, like "history".
[18:14:35] <Simetrical>	. . . which I guess the usability people decided is confusing?
[18:14:39] <TrevorParscal>	I would love to see an example of show source in the context of a browser
[18:14:51] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: nah that's the wrong way around... we are not giving orders to ourselves :o
[18:14:54] <TrevorParscal>	- as in, I don't think that's very common language
[18:15:02] <Simetrical>	Well, for "view source" we're copying terminology from browsers, I guess.
[18:15:11] <TrevorParscal>	In web-browser UI, view source is very common
[18:15:12] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, yeah, so infinitive, not imperative.  "I would like to X."
[18:15:40] <Simetrical>	The Hebrew translation seems to use nouns everywhere.  Like "editing" on the edit button, and "searching" on the search button . . . it sounds better than English gerunds.
[18:15:41] <Nikerabbit>	I can't believe that
[18:15:45] <Skizzerz>	English grammar is confusing >_>
[18:15:57] <Nikerabbit>	anyway, in Finnish it's all imperatives to the computer
[18:16:05] <Simetrical>	"Deletion" instead of "delete".
[18:16:08] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[18:16:23] <Simetrical>	"watch": you aren't telling the computer to watch it, you're saying you want to watch it.
[18:16:29] <Simetrical>	I guess.
[18:16:48] <Nikerabbit>	watch it (for me)
[18:17:10] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[18:17:17] <Skizzerz>	I've always seen the content actions as things that I do as well
[18:17:18] <Simetrical>	Now you've made me unsure.
[18:17:21] <Simetrical>	It's usually ambiguous.
[18:17:29] <Simetrical>	But I think in English UI, the convention is the way I describe.
[18:17:31] <GreenReaper>	Watch is an imperative, you're commanding the software to add it to your watchlist.
[18:17:33] <Nikerabbit>	indeed
[18:17:35] <Simetrical>	Computer UI, I mean.
[18:17:46] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: if it is, I've been reading it all backwards my whole life
[18:17:58] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, did "view source" confuse you, then?
[18:18:08] <chuck>	TrevorParscal: I love the new edit toolbar improvements, especially that help menu
[18:18:19] <Simetrical>	How about "browse"?  That means "I want to browse", not "browse things for me".
[18:18:20] <TrevorParscal>	chuck: thanks! we've been working very hard on that
[18:18:27] <Skizzerz>	if it isn't, I've been reading it all backwards my whole life xD
[18:18:51] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: a bit.. haven't really paid attention... it's translated as a noun in Finnish
[18:18:53] <Simetrical>	"Cite this page": you're not asking the computer to cite it, the computer's not writing your paper or whatever.
[18:19:01] <chuck>	and also the symbols menu, wow
[18:19:09] <Simetrical>	Yeah, this seems to be very language-dependent.
[18:19:10] <chuck>	*special characters
[18:19:22] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslations&message=viewsource&namespace=8
[18:20:11] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: that too is translated as a noun in Finnish :D
[18:20:18] <Simetrical>	French: "Voir le texte source", similar to English.
[18:20:47] <Simetrical>	Hebrew "הצגת מקור", "display of the source", noun.
[18:20:53] <chuck>	it's an (infinitive) verb in spanish, which is usual for spanish
[18:21:36] <Simetrical>	chuck, which verb is it, like "view" or like "show"?
[18:21:58] <chuck>	ver, to see
[18:22:03] <chuck>	i'm not sure if it also means to view, i'll check
[18:22:42] <chuck>	yeah
[18:23:05] <Simetrical>	Same thing.
[18:23:19] <Simetrical>	. . . anyway, that's usually what we do with English.
[18:23:27] <Simetrical>	"view history" does sound like it might be a history of views, though.
[18:23:53] <Simetrical>	(why do nouns and verbs have to be indistinguishable in English, argh)
[18:24:22] <chuck>	TrevorParscal: do you have plans to clean up the edit page even further?
[18:24:23] <atglenn>	yeah our morphology is pretty great, heh?
[18:24:32] <TrevorParscal>	chuck: yes
[18:24:39] <chuck>	the stuff under the textarea is really confusing, even for me :P
[18:24:55] <TrevorParscal>	chuck: we are going to be working on that stuff allot in the next couple months
[18:25:03] <TrevorParscal>	vacuuming and such
[18:25:06] <atglenn>	then you can use nouns attributively which is even better 
[18:25:29] <Nikerabbit>	car shop
[18:25:58] <atglenn>	history book
[18:26:32] <Simetrical>	It's kind of like a genitive, but you don't have to change the word.  And also it's rather more restrictive in terms of position and so on.
[18:27:00] <chuck>	the edit toolbar takes 2-3 seconds to load in epiphany for me, though
[18:27:26] <Simetrical>	. . . people actually use Epiphany?
[18:27:28] <TrevorParscal>	chuck: this has to do with the enormous number of special charcters
[18:27:34] <TrevorParscal>	in the special characters menu
[18:27:36] <chuck>	Simetrical: heh
[18:27:46] <TrevorParscal>	I'm working to get that to load while the toolbar is already visible
[18:27:54] <chuck>	I'm using epiphany because I haven't gotten around to making the internet icon go to Arora yet
[18:27:59] <TrevorParscal>	rather than synchonously...
[18:29:24] <atglenn>	but "vacuum cleaner" doesn't work that way... 
[18:29:33] <chuck>	It loads instantly in WebKit/Arora <3
[18:29:42] <atglenn>	(not so much like a genitive that is) 
[18:30:59] <Simetrical>	Hmm, true.
[18:31:15] <Simetrical>	Well, I'm not sure about that.
[18:31:20] <CIA-79>	03ialex * r51796 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (ProtectionForm.php Title.php): Kill some E_NOTICE when protecting a non-existing page
[18:31:26] <bsm>	has something changed how mediawiki 1.15 handles MediaWiki:common.css?
[18:31:34] <Simetrical>	bsm, not that I can recall.
[18:31:35] <Simetrical>	Maybe something.
[18:32:17] <Simetrical>	chuck, I'm using Chromium now.  Doesn't have bookmarks or plugins on Linux yet, though.
[18:33:44] <chuck>	yeah, chromium sucks on mac os x
[18:34:04] <chuck>	it's slower than safari and they both use webkit, so there's just no oint
[18:34:06] <chuck>	*point
[18:36:52] <Simetrical>	bsm, did you have a specific issue?
[18:39:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add contains_all function to abuse filter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19176 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (Prodego)
[18:40:45] <bsm>	Simetrical: yes, it simply did not work, but I'm investigating why it does not
[18:42:16] <yoyo[RKN]>	moin
[18:47:59] <^demon>	Simetrical: IMHO, we need to have one unified way of building a database object. I believe a few places still do it manually.
[18:47:59] <bsm>	is there a way to get only the content of an article? some option in the url maybe?
[18:48:15] <Simetrical>	^demon, what do you mean?
[18:48:16] <elysianfields>	This is really strange: this code http://pastebin.com/d7db40432 does not produce any style at all. It's really bothering me.
[18:48:17] <ialex>	action=render
[18:48:22] <Simetrical>	bsm, maybe action=render does what you want.
[18:49:27] <^demon>	Simetrical: I believe a few places in /maintenance (and maybe some extensions, I dunno) construct their own Database object, and don't necessarily get the appropriate child object (since Database effectively == DatabaseMysql)
[18:49:28] <bsm>	thanks Simetrical, exactly
[18:49:55] <Simetrical>	^demon, you mean by not using wfGetDB(), or what?
[18:49:59] <^demon>	Yeah.
[18:51:36] <elysianfields>	Any ideas for why CSS may not rendered?
[18:52:03] <Simetrical>	elysianfields, "2" is not a valid thickness for "border".
[18:52:13] <^demon>	Simetrical: Once those things are cleaned up, some of the more mySQL-specific stuff can go to DatabaseMysql, and DatabaseBase can gain a few more abstract methods.
[18:52:14] <Simetrical>	Try border: 2px solid lightblue;
[18:52:20] <Simetrical>	^demon, yes, definitely.
[18:52:20] <elysianfields>	I tried that too..
[18:52:52] <Simetrical>	elysianfields, then maybe the style attribute isn't actually getting output for some reason.
[18:53:25] <elysianfields>	Simetrical: that's what it seems like.
[18:53:38] <Simetrical>	elysianfields, check the HTML source.
[18:55:12] <elysianfields>	Simetrical: never mind, I had a silly typo in one of the statements. Thanks though!
[18:57:12] <^demon>	Simetrical: newFromParams() sucks, because it exists in all children and doesn't pick a subclass for you.
[18:57:31] <Simetrical>	^demon, it's legacy.
[18:57:42] <Simetrical>	Could be thrown into the Database class instead of DatabaseBase.
[18:57:50] <OverlordQ>	now, if only INSERT IGNORE could be gotten rid of :P
[18:57:57] <Simetrical>	Or worked around.
[18:58:05] <Simetrical>	For a single row it's not too hard.
[18:58:16] <Simetrical>	But for SELECT ... INSERT IGNORE, not too great.
[18:58:49] <Simetrical>	I guess you could emulate it by creating a temporary table, then inserting the rows one by one and ignoring any errors from each insert.
[18:59:11] <Simetrical>	. . . of course, there's probably no portable way to insert rows one by one either.  :)
[19:02:09] <elysianfields>	Simetrical: One more thing, when I put html tags on new lines in the code, the text on the page is also rendered on new lines, even though I didn't explicitly put a newline tag. Is that the expected behaviour or is it a bug?
[19:02:29] <Simetrical>	elysianfields, you'll need to give more context.  Where are you inserting these tags?
[19:02:35] <Simetrical>	What code?
[19:03:23] <elysianfields>	Same example as the previous div tag. It's in a function within my extension code.
[19:05:08] <Simetrical>	I realize that.
[19:05:12] <Simetrical>	How is it output?
[19:05:25] <Simetrical>	Is it being inserted into wikitext?  Into the raw page?
[19:05:47] <Simetrical>	Are you sure it's related to newlines?  <div> is a block element, it will normally be on a new line whether or not there are newlines in the source.
[19:06:09] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51797 10/branches/maintenance-work/maintenance/ (Maintenance.php nextJobDB.php renameDbPrefix.php): 
[19:06:09] <CIA-79>	* Tweak getOption() to set the value in $mOptions so we don't have to re-provide the default again and again
[19:06:09] <CIA-79>	* Port nextJobDB, renameDbPrefix.
[19:06:20] <Simetrical>	If the HTML output when you view the page source isn't behaving the way you expect, try #html or #css or similar.
[19:06:23] <elysianfields>	Simetrical: http://pastebin.com/d4c28ec98 this will put the links on new lines.
[19:06:34] <Jake_Wartenberg>	is there something I do to turn off the banner to the mobile gateway on an iphone?
[19:06:48] <Jake_Wartenberg>	it is generated by code brion added to enwiki's common.js
[19:07:01] <Simetrical>	elysianfields, no, it won't.  It will do nothing without all the rest of the code you're leaving out, like what's actually using the return value.
[19:07:12] <^demon>	Jake_Wartenberg: Not at the moment, I believe.
[19:07:40] <Jake_Wartenberg>	^demon: that sucks; it takes up a ton of space
[19:07:41] <^demon>	Unless there's something like Greasemonkey or Oilcan for the iPhone
[19:08:06] <Jake_Wartenberg>	I don't believe there is
[19:08:11] <^demon>	(Oilcan == Greasemonkey-esque thing for Android)
[19:12:51] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51798 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Made sections load asynchronously
[19:15:17] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51799 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/images/loading.gif: Added spinner
[19:15:47] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51800 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.css: Tweaked loading label color
[19:17:25] <TrevorParscal>	chuck: The toolbar now loads the extra sections aysnchornously
[19:17:40] <TrevorParscal>	let me know if it improved the UI responsiveness on your browser
[19:21:38] <OverlordQ>	what the shit, i think somebody is harvesting emails for spam from the CodeReview site lol
[19:22:15] <Simetrical>	Does it publish e-mails publicly?
[19:22:20] <Simetrical>	If so, um, it probably shouldn't.
[19:22:43] <OverlordQ>	hurm, doesn't, links to user page
[19:23:07] <OverlordQ>	here's the TO line on the email, which made me go wtf: To: http:  www.mediawiki.org wiki Special:Code MediaWiki comments <overlordq@gmail.com>
[19:24:17] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51801 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: Put actual location of these two classes.
[19:29:44] <tARrAScH_>	Hi! Is there anyone who know of any graphical editor in order to create typical templates? I find it quite difficult making my own pretty templates. Even though I copy other templates and want to make minor adjustments.
[19:30:22] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51802 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.php: Message is edittoolbar-desc.
[19:30:41] <GreenReaper>	You really need a HTML editor
[19:30:51] <GreenReaper>	editor/designer
[19:31:02] <^demon>	You don't need an HTML editor to make templates.
[19:34:10] <GreenReaper>	If you want to make pretty templates, I would still suggest taking a HTML editor that is designed to help you make pretty HTML, and then adapting the result.
[19:34:39] <GreenReaper>	If you just want to make minor adjustments to existing templates, you need to learn HTML and CSS.
[19:35:33] <^demon>	TrevorParscal: New edit toolbar is sexy \o/ Could it one day become the default in core?
[19:39:30] <Simetrical>	I'd hope we have most of this stuff becoming default, if it's better than what we have now.
[19:42:10] <^demon>	Are there any outstanding issues on the new search UI?
[19:49:03] <tARrAScH_>	GreenReaper - huh? But is wikimedi-formatting anything like HTML?
[19:49:27] <rainman_>	^demon, not that i know of
[19:49:52] <^demon>	rainman_: What's keeping us from enabling it unconditionally?
[19:50:29] <^demon>	tARrAScH_: Your question was about a UI for template building. Answer is: no, not really.
[19:50:44] <TrevorParscal>	^demon: it may become default very soon
[19:50:54] <tARrAScH_>	^demon: hmm. but if it's not, then how can a HTML editor help me build templates?
[19:51:09] <TrevorParscal>	^demon: search UI - yes, there are, are you working with it?
[19:51:32] <rainman_>	what issues?
[19:51:34] <^demon>	tARrAScH_: I don't see how an HTML editor would help at all for making Mediawiki templates.
[19:51:54] <GreenReaper>	The basis for my suggestion was that ultimately the output is HTML
[19:52:14] <tARrAScH_>	^demon: Ok. Do you know of any UI for creating Templates?
[19:52:15] <GreenReaper>	Therefore if you want to have something look a particular way, the way to do it is to design it in HTML and then turn that into a template.
[19:52:55] <TrevorParscal>	rainman_: Search UI - the advanced search layout needs tweaking - I will do a mockup
[19:53:07] <TrevorParscal>	also, when did the multi-site search happen?
[19:53:19] <rainman_>	which multi-site search?
[19:53:20] <GreenReaper>	In my experience template design is not actually done that way, it's done by people hacking stuff together from bits of other templates until it works. But the question was about a graphical editor, so.  <g>
[19:53:26] <tARrAScH_>	GreenReaper - You also mean templates like Template:Mytemplate. Right?
[19:53:36] <^demon>	tARrAScH_: No, there is no UI for making Mediawiki templates. I don't know wtf GreenReaper is smoking.
[19:53:57] <GreenReaper>	tARrAScH_: You need to specify what wiki Template:Mytemplate is on before I can see what you mean.
[19:54:19] <GreenReaper>	Oh, I don't smoke. 
[19:55:31] <tARrAScH_>	Ok, so I best do it by hand (copying other template code then just change the code accordingly). Well I guess I can edit some code manually
[19:56:11] <GreenReaper>	A template is just a page. A page is ultimately turned into HTML. Therefore if you are focussing on the design and want a graphical editor - which is what tARrAScH_ said - then a HTML editor is the closest I am aware of that actually exists.
[19:56:16] <GreenReaper>	Yes, tARrAScH_. That would probably be best.
[19:56:47] <^demon>	I remain convinced that trying to build something in an HTML editor and then port it to wikitext is counterproductive.
[19:56:50] <^demon>	*sigh*
[19:57:04] <tARrAScH_>	GreenReaper: Ok. Thanks, but I'm really surprised I'm hearing this. I couldn't imagine something that so many people would want (I assume) doesn't have a graphical editor :s
[19:57:05] <GreenReaper>	I don't think it's a good idea either. It meets the requirements.
[19:57:58] <GreenReaper>	^demon: You have this strange idea that stated requirements are subject to modification through reasoning and common sense. Obviously you don't work for big business. ;-)
[19:58:16] <^demon>	Yes I do ;-)
[20:00:51] *GreenReaper 	is just waiting for one company he's working for to ask for a Word document -> wikitext converter. They've already asked for Excel.
[20:01:31] <^demon>	My previous job (in local gov't IT) asked me to remove the talk namespaces from the wiki.
[20:01:40] <^demon>	I had to hack the hell out of MW to make that work :P
[20:02:08] <GreenReaper>	Ours wanted to take out the toolbox.
[20:02:16] <GreenReaper>	Apparently it looked bad.
[20:02:25] <^demon>	You can at least hide that with CSS.
[20:02:29] <GreenReaper>	Yeah.
[20:02:38] <^demon>	You can't hide the talk namespace. :P
[20:02:39] <Simetrical>	You can hide the talk tab with CSS.
[20:02:47] <Simetrical>	And just add hooks to stop editing it or whatever.
[20:02:49] <^demon>	But not from all the various drop downs.
[20:03:04] <Simetrical>	Yeah, that would be a problem.
[20:03:14] <Simetrical>	I've seen people ask for that before.  You should have upstreamed the patch.  :)
[20:03:46] <^demon>	I almost did, but this was before I was really involved with dev'ing MW, so I wasn't as inclined.
[20:03:51] *GreenReaper 	needs to cleanup and submit MediaWikiAuth.
[20:03:57] <^demon>	If that happened again, I probably would.
[20:04:03] <GreenReaper>	Maybe once I get pref and email importing in now that 1.15 allows the latter.
[20:04:21] <GreenReaper>	s/allows/enables
[20:04:40] <Simetrical>	^demon, especially since if it happened again, you'd be kicking yourself for having to do it a second time?  :)
[20:04:47] <^demon>	That.
[20:04:51] <Simetrical>	You'd probably need permission to upstream it, though.
[20:05:13] <^demon>	The city IT was very laid back, they probably wouldn't have even cared.
[20:05:31] <^demon>	"What, upstream? What's that? Doesn't cost us? Oh ok."
[20:05:42] <Simetrical>	Well, MediaWiki is also really laid-back, so we probably wouldn't care either.  :P
[20:05:53] <^demon>	Bug would sit awaiting review for 2+ years.
[20:06:11] <Simetrical>	Nobody would actually bother to commit something like that unless they wrote it.
[20:06:20] <^demon>	Reviewing it would be a pain.
[20:06:34] <Simetrical>	Way too much effort for the marginal benefit.
[20:06:50] <^demon>	Not to mention, it helps people with the argument that MW is a CMS :)
[20:06:55] <Simetrical>	If you don't want talk pages, you're using MediaWiki as a CMS, which we theoretically aren't enthusiastic about.
[20:06:56] <Simetrical>	Yep.
[20:07:06] <Simetrical>	I mean, honestly, some people use it as that.  So whatever floats their boats.
[20:07:12] <Simetrical>	I've seen this feature requested before by some people, though.
[20:07:16] <Simetrical>	Quite a lot.
[20:07:31] <Simetrical>	So it would be nice to have in core if it's not *too* horrible.
[20:07:36] <Simetrical>	I mean the code isn't too horrible.
[20:07:44] <^demon>	Properly done, it would be a nice feature. Not worth the time for me to put into it right now.
[20:07:53] <Simetrical>	Until someone pays you to do it again.  :D
[20:07:58] <^demon>	Haha, yes.
[20:08:13] <Simetrical>	You could do it nicely, abstracting stuff into Namespace::hasTalk() or something, and making sure to use that consistently.
[20:08:28] <^demon>	Mhmm.
[20:08:29] <Simetrical>	Make handling of Special: and Media: a bit more generic, perhaps.
[20:08:42] <^demon>	I'll place a $100 bet that if the feature exists, at least one WMF project will request a config change.
[20:08:58] <Simetrical>	(actually, we should probably have a Special talk: namespace)
[20:09:06] <Simetrical>	^demon, does that count stuff like wikimediafoundation.org?
[20:09:18] <^demon>	No, because those are locked to editing.
[20:09:22] <^demon>	Only the open projects.
[20:09:29] <Simetrical>	If you mean Wikipedia/Wiktionary/Wikibooks/Wikisource/etc., and you gave a timeframe, and the feature actually existed, then I'd totally take that bet.
[20:09:44] <Simetrical>	(. . . and you agreed that any request you were involved in didn't count)
[20:10:19] <^demon>	Within 1 year.
[20:10:20] <Simetrical>	(. . . and I trusted you to not use a sockpuppet enough to risk $100 on it)
[20:10:32] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51803 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Update casing on Vector skin messages
[20:10:40] <Simetrical>	(I mean, you seem nice, but maybe you're really a scheming Machiavellian bastard inside, I don't know)
[20:11:01] <Simetrical>	We've had very few requests that crazy that I can think of.
[20:11:10] <Simetrical>	I think I remember one project, once, asking to ban anonymous editing.
[20:11:17] <Simetrical>	That's all I can think of that's close to the level of this.
[20:11:42] <^demon>	I've seen some stupid ideas, you ever read the enwiki village pump tech?
[20:12:07] <Simetrical>	Wait, just some random dude has to propose it, or the project actually has to get consensus and formally make the request?
[20:12:34] <Simetrical>	You said the project has to suggest it.  Crazy stuff is posted on VPT a lot, but it gets shot down.
[20:12:51] <^demon>	I'm not saying consensus, I'm saying a report in bz.
[20:13:00] <flyingparchment>	< ^demon> I'll place a $100 bet that if the feature exists, at least one WMF project will request a config change.
[20:13:03] <Simetrical>	Which some lone nut might have filed?
[20:13:08] <flyingparchment>	"project will request" implies a consensus request by the project
[20:13:08] <^demon>	Yes :)
[20:13:10] <flyingparchment>	not some random user
[20:13:34] <Simetrical>	. . . why are we discussing the details of a bet that's blocked by huge intrusive code changes that no one is actually going to do in the foreseeable future?
[20:13:52] <^demon>	I should file a bug on the bet, and file the feature as a blocker.
[20:14:12] <Simetrical>	I don't think Bugzilla would make good bet-tracking software.
[20:14:12] <jdpond>	Duesentrieb: Do I have to patch title.php to allow anonymous confirmmail with lockdown?
[20:14:19] <Simetrical>	It doesn't even make good bug-tracking software, after all.  :P
[20:15:08] <^demon>	I like Bugzilla. Better than trac.
[20:15:44] <^demon>	ialex: Ping.
[20:16:15] <ialex>	Pong.
[20:16:47] <^demon>	Have you looked at the code surrounding $wgUseNormalUser? It could probably be removed in favor of needsDB().
[20:17:13] <ialex>	it's used to select Wikimedia's db user
[20:17:21] <Simetrical>	I don't think I've ever heard of $wgUseNormalUser.
[20:17:24] <jdpond>	agree with ^demon, bugzilla's core issue is a less than perfect UI.  If you patch that, even novice users can handle.  See:  bugzilla.montcopa.org.  NASA did some good work on improving UI.
[20:17:34] <ialex>	Simetrical: maintenance scripts
[20:18:12] <^demon>	If true, it means use the normal DB user instead of the superuser.
[20:18:19] <ialex>	^demon: with $wgRootUser, it select either the "normal" db user (the one used for web requests) wikiadmin or root
[20:18:44] <ialex>	or $wgUseRootUser or whatever
[20:18:53] <siebrand_alt>	TrevorParscal: Vector skin messages for 'watch' and 'unwatch' are missing.
[20:19:17] <TrevorParscal>	siebrand_alt: yes
[20:19:34] <TrevorParscal>	that's because of the way that those messages end up being set in the UI
[20:19:50] <TrevorParscal>	they are not set by the skin - until we fix that
[20:19:50] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: bad excuse :)
[20:19:50] <^demon>	TrevorParscal: Btw, is there any way we can get the + sign for new sections next to the edit button, rather than down in the menu?
[20:20:26] <TrevorParscal>	^demon: that's been discussed at length... I don't have a firm answer either way
[20:20:43] <TrevorParscal>	siebrand: It's not idea, but it's what I can do right now
[20:20:54] <TrevorParscal>	I have deadlines... 
[20:21:05] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: btw, because you duplicated a lot of messages, would it be possible to devise some kind of 'skin message fallback'? Along the lines of: 'this message ''can'' be overridden in a skin specific way, but if it's not available, we take the default'?
[20:21:57] <TrevorParscal>	siebrand: if that's possible, it sounds like in practice it may be quite messy
[20:22:17] <TrevorParscal>	internationaliztion is not as much about avoiding duplication as most other programming tasks
[20:22:25] <TrevorParscal>	the context of each message is very important
[20:22:44] <TrevorParscal>	if two things use the same message, that seems to be a good thing from a programmer's point of view
[20:22:56] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: yes, I know that.
[20:23:05] <TrevorParscal>	but if the context of one of those things changes a bit, and the message changes to fit it - then the other context is lost
[20:23:20] <TrevorParscal>	this is why we have decided to branch the messages, even though many are just duplicates
[20:23:26] <TrevorParscal>	we don't want to be changing monobook messag
[20:23:29] <TrevorParscal>	*messages
[20:23:40] <TrevorParscal>	nor do we want monobook messages changing vector
[20:23:43] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: and now because the [un]watch is not Vectorised, the skin localisation is inconsistent.
[20:23:54] <TrevorParscal>	totally
[20:24:01] <TrevorParscal>	and that's something I am working on
[20:24:09] <TrevorParscal>	but in the mean time, I have to have the prototype sites working
[20:24:14] <TrevorParscal>	by the end of the day
[20:24:21] <TrevorParscal>	in a certain level of ... completeness
[20:24:44] <TrevorParscal>	if you could help me - I would be REALLY excited and greatful for the assistance :)
[20:25:17] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: I'm having trouble enough getting the core rework I did earlier this week reviewed...
[20:25:38] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: and I have a translator community to manage. And it's not even a paid job...
[20:26:11] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: that's why I'm providing the feedback, because if I don't, the translators will, and I still have to relay it.
[20:26:13] <TrevorParscal>	siebrand: then you can understand why it's still a work in progress :)
[20:26:29] <TrevorParscal>	thanks for the feedback
[20:26:52] <TrevorParscal>	You have identified a situation that exists well, fixing it will take a little more time
[20:27:44] <werdna>	hi TrevorParscal 
[20:28:04] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: sure. That's not a problem.
[20:28:32] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: also some formatting issues in the menu (text running into the content space). Compare http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector-namespace-user/nl?useskin=vector&uselang=en and http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector-namespace-user/nl?useskin=vector&uselang=nl
[20:28:37] <TrevorParscal>	siebrand: thanks again for the input - we really do appriciate it
[20:29:12] <TrevorParscal>	on the left nav?
[20:29:22] *siebrand 	nods at TrevorParscal
[20:29:41] <TrevorParscal>	siebrand: thanks - I may tweak some margins and sizes a bit
[20:29:58] <TrevorParscal>	it's good to see this sort of edge case popping up
[20:30:21] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: i'll double check on a vanilla installation.
[20:30:54] <TrevorParscal>	the left margin looks a bit overly big... compared to http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en-wp/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=small&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&redirs=1
[20:31:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) XHTML parse error when using some math formulas - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19177 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (almacha)
[20:32:14] <siebrand>	exactly the same for me in FF3, or I am not understanding what you mean.
[20:32:28] <siebrand>	oh, wait. I see.
[20:32:34] <^demon>	ialex: $wgUseRootUser is set in fixSlaveDesync, but it doesn't seem _used anywhere_ in core MW.
[20:35:23] <siebrand>	TrevorParscal: on vanilla all looks fine.
[20:37:03] <TrevorParscal>	cool
[20:37:24] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51804 10/branches/maintenance-work/maintenance/showStats.php: Port showStats.php
[20:37:52] <siebrand>	Hmm, css are exactly the same as for vanilla, translatewiki just has a '13' something offset.
[20:38:17] <siebrand>	any idea where that may come from?
[20:38:45] <CIA-79>	03rotem * r51805 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Localization update for he and fixing comment in en.
[20:42:06] <chuck>	TrevorParscal: awesome :D
[21:34:43] <elysianfields>	"action=delete" deletes a whole page but how do you go about deleting individual sections only?
[21:35:05] <ZeiP>	elysianfields, well, you could just edit the whole page and remove them there?
[21:35:38] <elysianfields>	ZeiP: Thanks, that's what I was considering but I just wanted to make sure there's no other way.
[21:36:10] <ZeiP>	Theoretically there could be, but I'm not aware of one.
[21:40:17] <^demon>	There's no backend for "removing a section", so any logic behind a UI for that would still be having to do a normal edit.
[21:43:57] <n0yd>	Anyone familiar with Mw_tools? I'm preparing to move a joomla/mw site over to a new host, and was wondering if mw_tools might get fussy during backup if the db doesn't have the same name
[21:44:12] <siebrand>	PHP Catchable fatal error:  Argument 1 passed to DBQueryError::__construct() must be an instance of Database, instance of DatabaseMysql given, called in /var/www/w/includes/db/Database.php on line 662 and defined in /var/www/w/includes/db/Database.php on line 2730
[21:44:56] <siebrand>	PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected $end in /var/www/w/includes/Sanitizer.php on line 994
[21:45:22] <siebrand>	(for both: use case unknown)
[21:47:44] <DeFender1031>	is there a way for a template to get only the final name of a subpage? in other words, on [[page/subpage]] i want to put something in that will return "subpage"
[21:49:08] <^demon>	siebrand: Because Database now subclasses DatabaseMysql, instead of the other way round.
[21:50:29] <siebrand>	DeFender1031: {{SUBPAGENAME}} (only if sub page names have been enabled for the namespace in question though, I think)
[21:51:32] <siebrand>	^demon: so it probably comes from an extension, then?
[21:52:40] <^demon>	siebrand: Actually, if DatabaseMysql is supposed to subclass DatabaseBase, it doesn't really hurt to make it DatabaseBase->Database->DatabaseMysql. 
[21:52:52] <^demon>	Will stay b/c and not really hurt anything.
[21:53:17] <^demon>	Actually, DatabaseBase->Database->(all other children)
[21:53:29] <^demon>	Or fix the caller to expect databasebase :)
[21:54:44] <CIA-79>	03demon * r51806 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/Database.php: Expect DatabaseBase, not Database.
[21:55:16] <^demon>	siebrand: Fixed ^
[21:56:11] <siebrand>	^demon: mille grazie
[21:57:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Handle no-diff scenarios - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19178 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (innocentkiller)
[21:58:13] <^demon>	Alrighty, headed out of town for the weekend. See everyone on Monday.
[21:58:50] <DeFender1031>	siebrand, many thnaks
[21:59:55] <siebrand>	I'm getting a Warning:  htmlspecialchars() expects parameter 1 to be string, array given from somewhere. What best to add as a live patch to find where this comes from?
[22:00:10] <siebrand>	(I'd like the end result to end up in the php error log if possible)
[22:20:10] <siebrand>	line 1418 in Article.php, is that a bug?
[22:20:17] <siebrand>					'page_id' => $this->getId(),
[22:20:17] <siebrand>					'page_latest=rev_id' ),
[22:20:31] <siebrand>	oops: 1424 (second line)
[22:20:51] <siebrand>	ehr, darn, it is 1418.
[22:26:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dealing with non unicode aware browsers part 2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3401  (10sechinsic)
[22:37:36] <Simetrical>	siebrand, why do you think it's a bug?
[22:38:28] <siebrand>	Simetrical: because the first is a key value pair, and the second is a string. They just do not look similar. Is it correct as is?
[22:38:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dealing with non unicode aware browsers part 2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3401  (10sechinsic)
[22:39:35] <Simetrical>	siebrand, yes.  It's the same as '(page_id = ' . $dbw->addQuotes( $this->getId() ) . ') AND (page_latest=rev_id)'.  'page_latest' => 'rev_id' will quote 'rev_id' in the query, which isn't wanted.
[22:40:01] <Simetrical>	Key-value is used for column = 'val', so for column = column you need to give a raw string to avoid escaping.
[22:40:13] <siebrand>	ah, ok. Thanks.
[22:45:26] <CIA-79>	03tparscal * r51807 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php skins/common/shared.css): Changed how the search UI is rendered.
[22:54:14] <dergringo>	hi :)
[22:54:33] <dergringo>	I would like to use the same system for translations as here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages
[22:54:56] <dergringo>	From where do I get your template so that I can implement in my own wiki?
[23:13:19] <svip>	:O
[23:15:04] <spikeguns>	can some one tell me how to put the default mediawiki search bar on my page ?
[23:15:05] <spikeguns>	code plz
[23:15:18] <spikeguns>	i cant find it :S been looking for an hour
[23:15:27] <rainman_>	!inputbox
[23:15:27] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Inputbox
[23:15:55] <AzaToth>	!roan
[23:15:55] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "roan".
[23:16:03] <spikeguns>	oooo :X
[23:16:37] <flyingparchment>	dergringo: the template "Foo" is at [[Template:Foo]] on the wiki
[23:16:54] <flyingparchment>	dergringo: but templates on wikimedia wikis are often insanely complicated, to the point that it's easier to write your own than copy one
[23:17:14] <dergringo>	flyingparchment, hmmmm ok thanks
[23:19:17] <OverlordQ>	oh yes, dont get me started on trying to copy templates
[23:19:30] <OverlordQ>	especially ones that only work because of tidy
[23:20:55] <dergringo>	I'm trying to enable translation of articles. And I can't find any useful Extension.
[23:22:09] <CIA-79>	03rainman * r51808 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php: Fix warning in r51807, $out is first used here so need = instead of .=
[23:23:09] <spikeguns>	i have now : require_once( "$IP/includes/DefaultSettings.php" );
[23:23:09] <spikeguns>	require_once($IP.'/extensions/InputBox/InputBox.php');
[23:23:21] <spikeguns>	but gives me loads of errors :X
[23:23:49] <spikeguns>	only have one require once ?
[23:30:13] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51809 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/includes/api/ApiUpload.php: removed extra debug print out
[23:34:15] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51810 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialDoubleRedirects.php: convert deprecated makeBrokenLinkObj() to link(). Changed behaviour of the link. It is no longer a broken link. Edit didn't work. Added that in the query parameters.
[23:35:48] <CIA-79>	03rainman * r51811 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php: Another follow-up for r51807: add a missing </form> on pages without the advanced search
[23:41:20] <spikeguns>	what  was the code again for time and date
[23:41:30] <spikeguns>	it was something lik ~~std~~~
[23:42:01] <flyingparchment>	~~~~~
[23:42:14] <Splarka>	~~~ + ~~~~~ = ~~~~, intuitive!
[23:43:30] <AzaToth>	not not not + not not not not not = not not not not
[23:43:46] <AzaToth>	sounds right
[23:45:33] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51812 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (11 files in 8 dirs): sequencer and add media wizard updates
[23:46:22] <AzaToth>	when is phase 4?
[23:47:35] <flyingparchment>	never
[23:47:41] <Splarka>	Aza: http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090611.txt  starting at [20:38:53]
[23:48:29] <Splarka>	heh, flyingparchment: when is MediaWiki 2.x.x ?
[23:48:37] <flyingparchment>	never
[23:50:42] <Splarka>	heh, when will @mediawiki/name cloaks be activated?
[23:50:58] <Splarka>	when will mw: interwiki be set iw_local on WMF?
[23:51:12] <Splarka>	when will modern be the default skin?
[23:51:19] <flyingparchment>	tomorrow
[23:52:56] *Splarka 	reads the argument about "view source" and "view history"
[23:53:12] <Splarka>	the thing is, "view source" works either way, as "view the source of this page" or  "see the source of this view"
[23:53:23] <flyingparchment>	that's what i said
[23:53:31] <flyingparchment>	(i mean she said)
[23:53:38] <Splarka>	ha
[23:53:41] <Splarka>	5 points