[00:04:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't make me choose between Atom and RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18801  (10jidanni)
[00:04:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS, Atom, XML syndication feeds (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3646  (10jidanni)
[00:10:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Inconsistent number of <item>s in feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19330 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Recent changes; (jidanni)
[00:10:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS, Atom, XML syndication feeds (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3646  (10jidanni)
[00:15:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS, Atom, XML syndication feeds (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3646  (10jidanni)
[00:45:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add personal Common.css & Common.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10183  (10chinchi29)
[00:47:39] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r52268 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialActiveusers.php: Double check against user table to make sure the user exists
[00:49:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Review this revision" is shown in a diff with different pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19327  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:59:29] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r52269 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialContributions.php: bug 19305 rev_deleted link consistency (greyed-out)
[00:59:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Contributions shows link to deleted revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19305  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:00:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add personal Common.css & Common.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10183  (10greenreaper)
[01:01:24] <werdna>	jeez, bugzilla
[01:04:39] <ekimmargni>	O.o
[01:06:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add personal Common.css & Common.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10183  (10herd)
[01:06:27] *Splarka 	high fives GreenReaper
[01:06:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Review-Button on watchlist after moving page to a ns without flagged version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19254  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:07:00] <GreenReaper>	Well, at least there is one. <g>
[01:14:33] <Splarka>	green: also document.write, which can execute whenever it wants
[01:14:42] <Splarka>	I often got urls in my <textarea> when editing, from them
[01:15:04] <Splarka>	bbl
[01:28:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow elimination of "index.php" directly from interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19331 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (francisdinh)
[01:32:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS Recent Changes: New Page feed items are hard to read - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19011  (10jidanni)
[02:14:28] <GreenReaper>	Regarding textarea, anyone had an issue with editing where in IE the text jumps up if you're editing beneath a certain point? I think it may be related to the width of the textarea - it does not occur if it is restricted to the "standard" (i.e. quite narrow) size..
[02:33:58] <rook2pawn>	How can i protect all the pages in a namespace? is this possible?
[02:53:33] <uberfuzzy>	where in the code would i find the stuff that parses images?
[02:55:49] <GreenReaper>	rook2pawn: See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceProtection
[03:06:22] <CIA-57>	03aaron * r52270 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Fix bogus var reference
[03:07:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on Arabic Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19332 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (meno25wiki)
[03:09:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) String operations are not multibyte safe - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19333 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (rohde)
[03:14:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Review-Button on watchlist after moving page to a ns without flagged version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19254  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:29:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Lua extension on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19298  +comment (10rohde)
[03:31:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creation of "autopatroller" usergroup on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19309  +comment (10cenarium.sysop)
[03:37:22] <uberfuzzy>	lol @ 19309
[03:41:32] <rook2pawn>	what is the correct way to say $wgNamespaceProtection[100] = just sysops ?
[03:42:32] <charitwo>	!preventingaccess | rook2pawn 
[03:42:32] --mwbot--	rook2pawn: For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[03:42:37] <Splarka>	$wgNamespaceProtection[100] = array( 'flibble' );
[03:42:45] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['flibble'] = true;
[03:42:53] <Splarka>	where 'flibble' is a right name you make up
[03:43:08] <rook2pawn>	Ah
[03:43:32] <Splarka>	uberfuzzy: parsing [[File:foo]] tags?
[03:45:32] <uberfuzzy>	Splarka: yes
[03:51:06] <CIA-57>	03shinjiman * r52271 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[03:52:14] <Splarka>	uberfuzzy: Parser::replaceInternalLinks and replaceInternalLinks2
[03:52:25] <Splarka>	which then would call Linker:makeImageLink2
[03:52:26] <Splarka>	or something
[03:53:33] <Splarka>	} elseif( preg_match($e1_img, $line, $m) ) { \n$might_be_img = true;
[03:58:48] <fn][>	I need to change my background to black - what file must I hax0r?
[03:59:15] <uberfuzzy>	Splarka: thanks, i found my answer in the docs for makeImageLink2
[03:59:32] <uberfuzzy>	was looking for the list of all the valid params to an image
[04:07:20] <Splarka>	ah
[04:07:27] <Splarka>	but of course you couldn't just ask, heh
[04:07:33] *Splarka 	gets out the bread knife
[04:07:43] <uberfuzzy>	well, i also wanted to see the code for it too
[04:08:04] <Splarka>	fn][: you can just edit on-site MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[04:08:19] <fn][>	thx
[04:08:22] <Splarka>	but it will be a long series of minute little tweaks
[04:08:34] <Splarka>	you'll first encounter <pre> and <table> as well as p-cactions
[04:09:38] <Splarka>	ya might wanna steal memory-alpha's to start with
[04:09:39] <Splarka>	http://memory-alpha.org/en/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css
[04:09:45] <Splarka>	that is a good dark skin
[04:12:02] <Splarka>	thanks for the renick driveby, ben
[04:15:22] <Splarka>	fn][:  there is also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-Blackskin.css
[04:15:56] <fn][>	Splarka, oh crap. i thought you were talking to uberfuzzy. I dont want to have to change the theme.. just a black background with a different background logo
[04:16:27] <fn][>	thanks!
[04:16:37] <Splarka>	oh
[04:16:47] <Splarka>	so the content area would still be white?
[04:18:46] <Splarka>	fn][: body {background: #000000 none 0 0 no-repeat;}
[04:18:57] <Splarka>	in your MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[04:19:16] <Splarka>	if you want anything else black-background, see the above re-themes
[04:19:26] <Splarka>	(can'o'worms)
[04:19:56] <fn][>	right.. so if I just change the body background, it will break other stuff
[04:20:06] <fn][>	yeah, white content area
[04:20:11] <fn][>	I want a red and black theme
[04:20:22] <fn][>	but with white content
[04:21:27] <Splarka>	it should be safe changing the body in monobook
[04:21:37] <Splarka>	everything except the logo is inside other containers with background colors
[04:24:15] <fn][>	ok, thanks
[04:32:32] <TimStarling>	I helped with the dark background skin for http://ufoai.ninex.info/wiki
[04:32:44] <TimStarling>	there's a lot of things to fix
[04:32:54] <TimStarling>	like the redirect arrows
[04:33:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to launch mediawiki (EmbedVideo extension) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18751  (10greenreaper)
[04:35:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to launch mediawiki (EmbedVideo extension) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18751  (10greenreaper)
[04:35:22] <Annemarie>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/2/26/InlineScripts_screenshot_1.png
[04:36:37] *GreenReaper 	turned MediaWiki pink for a day once. Required a surprising number of CSS directives.
[04:37:08] <Splarka>	Tim: magnify-clip.png sucks too, but I fixed the ajax spinner long ago at least, heh
[04:41:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to launch mediawiki (EmbedVideo extension) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18751  (10greenreaper)
[04:44:59] <chuck>	GreenReaper: that's why monaco is nice, you can change colors with very very very little CSS
[04:45:10] <chuck>	I think it's changing a color for two directives or something like that?
[04:45:27] <GreenReaper>	Unfortunately it doesn't outweigh all the reasons why Monaco is argh. ;-)
[04:45:40] <chuck>	:D
[04:46:05] <chuck>	I would like Monaco if it was runnable outside of Wikia and if its ads weren't so dang annoying
[04:46:35] <GreenReaper>	Not that monobook is perfect either.
[04:46:52] <chuck>	and thus, vector was born
[04:46:53] <GreenReaper>	but it's quite nice once you've stripped the fat out of it.
[04:47:04] <chuck>	not that vector is perfect either. :D
[04:47:13] <GreenReaper>	Not yet.
[04:49:07] <TimStarling>	we could have automatically generated CSS, to change colours
[04:49:48] <GreenReaper>	If it were a batch script that would be cool.
[04:50:02] <GreenReaper>	If it's dynamic every time, not so cool. Harder to minify that way. ;-)
[04:51:13] <Annemarie>	Edit conflicts suck.
[04:51:14] <TimStarling>	I was thinking of a javascript colourwheel chooser that submitted styles to a server-side script that cached the CSS in files on disk
[04:51:26] <TimStarling>	but a batch script would be cool too
[04:51:57] <Annemarie>	Is it really necessary to give the full text of both pages? On a large page, it just locks the browser.
[04:52:12] <DisAlex>	I'm having a problem on a new mediawiki install, when a new user goes to register it tells them the name is already in use, even if it isnt but it logs them in with the new name anyway, has anyone ever seen this before?
[04:52:41] <Annemarie>	DisAlex: Are you using an auth extension or anything funky like that?
[04:53:12] <DisAlex>	I think I took everything off, double checking localsettins.php as we speak
[04:53:41] <DisAlex>	but didn't have anything real funky on there anyway
[04:54:33] <p858snake>	TimStarling: if people created decent svg files with transparent backgrounds...
[04:55:42] <TimStarling>	nobody even knows where the monobook icons came from or what their license is
[04:55:45] <GreenReaper>	Does Vector use a CSS sprite for skin images? I wince every time I see additional image requests going to the server for them (after all the css and js files . . .)
[05:01:02] <TimStarling>	sprite?
[05:01:17] <TimStarling>	it's been a while since I've heard that word...
[05:01:29] <GreenReaper>	http://css-tricks.com/css-sprites/
[05:02:09] <TimStarling>	that's what pipelining is for
[05:02:19] <GreenReaper>	One of the things I've been trying to do locally is reduce the number of requests made, and that'd be one way.
[05:02:51] <GreenReaper>	X small files can still be bigger than 1 file combining them all. And it's still another request. <g>
[05:02:55] <Splarka>	heh, TimStarling: during the racial debate over user.gif I tracked it down, took 2 hours
[05:03:16] <TimStarling>	yeah?
[05:03:19] <Splarka>	http://dev.plone.org/plone/log/CMFPlone/trunk/skins/plone_images/user.gif?rev=2888
[05:04:28] <Splarka>	and http://dev.plone.org/plone/log/CMFPlone/branches/Plone-2_0-branch/skins/plone_images/user.gif?rev=5479 http://dev.plone.org/plone/log/CMFPlone/branches/2.0/skins/plone_images/user.gif http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/CMFPlone/branches/2.0/skins/plone_images/user.gif (for the backtrace)
[05:04:52] <Splarka>	from http://plone.org/user.gif 
[05:05:25] <TimStarling>	yes, I'll buy that
[05:06:06] <Splarka>	(monobook/main.css of course mentions Plone 2.0)
[05:08:27] <Splarka>	before limi added the other, it looked like http://dev.plone.org/plone/browser/CMFPlone/trunk/skins/plone_images/user.gif?rev=1
[05:08:51] <GreenReaper>	http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/07/08/best-website-performance-tips-from-velocity-2008/ has a lot of useful tips for high-performance website tuning, mostly on the content/client side (as opposed to server tech or server-side processing, which are of course important too).
[05:11:10] <GreenReaper>	http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.mediawiki.org/ suggests about 50% of Wikipedia visits are just to a single page, and most of them are likely to be uncached . . . so speeding up the empty cache scenario could reduce server load and also increase percieved performance on slow connections (esp. mobile).
[05:12:14] <TimStarling>	the user may well have static files in their cache at the start of the visit
[05:12:29] <TimStarling>	the definition of visit doesn't rule that out
[05:15:42] <GreenReaper>	Yes, they may. But the empty cache rate is surprisingly high even after a long time. And of course several of Wikipedia's most critical CSS and JS files are beyond the uncompressed size that can be cached by, say, the iPhone (though not if you minify, hint hint ;-).
[05:16:31] <GreenReaper>	it's an interesting question as to whether they're loaded on every Wikipedia page hit from one of those devices, or whether it's smart enough to carry them over even though it can't put them in the cache.
[05:22:16] <Splarka>	hint hint eh?
[05:22:47] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12250#c6
[05:22:54] <Splarka>	> This feature request though was about *obfuscation* for the purposes of making
[05:22:54] <Splarka>	the files smaller; that's something we'll reject regardless of the use or
[05:22:54] <Splarka>	non-use of gzip compression, as it makes debugging and customization much more
[05:22:54] <Splarka>	difficult.
[05:23:29] <Splarka>	although he indicated the jQuery libraries will be served minifuscated when included
[05:23:37] <GreenReaper>	I don't want obfuscation. That doesn't actually make it faster because it requires deprocessing at the other end.
[05:23:40] <Splarka>	(but as third party static libraries that's okay)
[05:23:55] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: removing linefeeds, indentation, and comments
[05:23:59] <Splarka>	obfuscation
[05:24:34] <TimStarling>	I think brion has made some more favourable comments on minification since then
[05:24:39] <Splarka>	what other minification is there besides gzip?
[05:24:42] <GreenReaper>	It is not being made "intentionally ambiguous".
[05:24:45] <Nikerabbit>	morning
[05:25:05] <Annemarie>	Abbreviating every function name.
[05:25:26] <GreenReaper>	It's "not including the .psp when you publish a .png" ;-)
[05:25:35] <Splarka>	can't do that except for internal variables and functions
[05:25:58] <GreenReaper>	This is true, but you get a surprising amount back even with that.
[05:26:12] <GreenReaper>	And yes, even gzipped.
[05:26:26] <Splarka>	and /that/ is obfuscation we both can agree on
[05:26:37] <Splarka>	(in that, that is "obfuscation" to both of us)
[05:26:55] <Splarka>	Tim: http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/04/skin-js-cleanup-and-jquery/
[05:27:21] <Splarka>	I pokled him about "The minified jQuery core is 19k gzipped, and can simplify other JS code significantly so we can likely chop down wikibits.js, mwsuggest.js, and the site-customized Common.js files by a large margin for a net savings."
[05:27:27] <GreenReaper>	What also happens then is it brings things like main.css and wikibits.js down below the magical 17kish mark which fits into the user's TCP window.
[05:27:39] <Splarka>	he said he just meant remove redundant functions, not "minify" (obfuscate)
[05:27:49] <Splarka>	(except of course jQuery)
[05:28:05] <GreenReaper>	and a few more things below 4.5k, when the user's ACK doesn't need to get back for the server to have sent all of it in one burst.
[05:28:32] <GreenReaper>	Splarka: You coming to the NY wiki conference? I'll do a 5-min talk about it there and we can argue afterwards. ;-)
[05:28:34] <flyingparchment>	which users have a 17k tcp window?  iphone again? :)
[05:28:50] <GreenReaper>	Actually windows in general has a 17k window.
[05:28:52] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: just throw rotten tomatoes at yourself, it'll be like I'm there
[05:28:56] <flyingparchment>	GreenReaper: if the window size is 17k, you can send 17k without an ack, surely.
[05:29:31] *Splarka 	hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate obfuscated js you can't fucking debug/read
[05:29:45] <p858snake>	TimStarling: if we don't know the source of all the monobooks shouldn't we go though and replace the ones with files that we know the source/license for?
[05:29:55] <Splarka>	though purposefully encrypted js is amusing
[05:30:06] <GreenReaper>	flyingparchment: You run into slow start.
[05:30:12] <TimStarling>	if MS windows had a 17K max window size, that would make it like 100 times slower than windows for a large file download from a transoceanic site
[05:30:14] <GreenReaper>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow-start
[05:30:27] <TimStarling>	sorry, 100 times slower than linux
[05:30:31] <TimStarling>	or any real operating system
[05:30:37] <GreenReaper>	It's a 17k initial size. It has the ability to increase it, I'm sure, after time.
[05:30:41] <Splarka>	first thing I'd do is split sortable tables out of wikibits.js
[05:30:47] <GreenReaper>	but if you're making X requests, how long does it have? <g>
[05:30:56] <Splarka>	have them load dynamically based on a magic word like __SORTTABLE__
[05:31:00] <GreenReaper>	and yes, pipelining, but in reality pipelining isn't widely used.
[05:31:07] <Annemarie>	Splarka: Seriously?
[05:31:10] <TimStarling>	the initial window will mostly be taken up by the HTML
[05:31:12] <Splarka>	yes, seriously
[05:31:18] <TimStarling>	the CSS will come later in the same connection
[05:31:25] <Annemarie>	That seems pretty hackish.
[05:31:32] <p858snake>	Splarka: thats disjusting way to do it since they are so common
[05:31:36] <Splarka>	no, sortable tables are hackish
[05:31:42] <Splarka>	p858snake: o'really?
[05:31:51] <p858snake>	ya
[05:31:56] <Annemarie>	The magic word would be added automatically?
[05:31:57] <Splarka>	so is addTags(), it was split out
[05:32:02] <GreenReaper>	It gets more complicated than that because once it's read the headers it starts downloading the CSS and JS files.
[05:32:23] <Splarka>	sorry, insertTags()
[05:32:45] <Splarka>	Annemarie: maybe, or parse class="sortable", but that is very very hackish
[05:32:53] <Splarka>	it'd have to parse the rendered html output, with dirty regex, probably
[05:32:57] <GreenReaper>	At the end of the day if you make those files smaller, and make fewer requests, you win. And that is worth bearing in mind, regardless of the implementation details.
[05:33:02] <Splarka>	I wouldn't trust automated
[05:33:09] <Annemarie>	And that's worth the benefit?
[05:33:57] *GreenReaper 	likes watching that kind of thing in Wireshark - you can see where the server has paused to wait for the ACK, how many packets are being taken up by CSS vs. the actual content, etc.
[05:34:11] <Splarka>	wikibits.js: 30537
[05:34:24] <Splarka>	wikibits.js: without sortable tables: 21319
[05:34:26] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: are you saying my fix doesn't work? the line you pasted causes problems :/
[05:34:30] <Splarka>	Annemarie: yes, it is worth it
[05:35:01] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: couldn't sortable tables be loaded on demand?  or does JS not have an include function?
[05:35:03] <flyingparchment>	(eval?)
[05:35:04] <Splarka>	gzipped, wikibits.js is 10015
[05:35:13] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: it could, but it wouldn't be pre-loaded
[05:35:22] <Splarka>	because it has to scrape the DOM for that class
[05:36:01] <Splarka>	var foo = getElementsByClassName(document,'table','sortable')
[05:36:13] <Splarka>	if(foo.length != 0) importScriptURI()...
[05:36:24] <Splarka>	inside an addOnloadHook
[05:36:50] <Splarka>	hmm, does jQuery have something like on-dom-ready?
[05:37:07] <Splarka>	(though runOnloadHooks is pretty much the same, being a <script> at the end of the <body>)
[05:37:30] <TimStarling>	JS doesn't have an include function, you have to use one of two ugly hacks
[05:38:05] <TimStarling>	1. output a <script> tag into the HTML which will be parsed by the browser to include a new script, 2. use XHR to load the JS and then use eval() on it
[05:38:44] <GreenReaper>	Splarka: 5033 bytes minified and gzipped (although you may have a later, larger copy)
[05:38:55] <TimStarling>	I suspect option 2 will break various JIT compilers and parse caches that are in development
[05:39:05] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: *stab*
[05:39:11] <Splarka>	yah, we (me, alexsm, thedj, azatht, mzmcbride) chose importScript (<scriot> for wikibits.js from en.wp after testing on like 20 browsers, nobody has complained yet
[05:39:17] <Splarka>	script, canno type
[05:39:41] <Annemarie>	I think it's funny that "sortable" has the word "table" in it.
[05:39:59] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: i think that is deliberate.
[05:40:09] <GreenReaper>	But that's kind of the point, there's a huge amount of comments going out to people who care nothing about Javascript comments. They just want to use Wikipedia. But all that js has to load before the page can even start to be displayed.
[05:40:10] <Annemarie>	Well, I enjoy it.
[05:40:30] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: gzipped wikibits without sortable tables is 7k
[05:40:32] <Splarka>	good enough for me
[05:40:51] *GreenReaper 	is never satisfied.
[05:41:04] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: no shit, you bitch at {foo: bar;} in css
[05:41:10] <Splarka>	two extra bytes!
[05:41:16] *Splarka 	bytes GreenReaper twice
[05:41:35] <GreenReaper>	I did, I added a postprocessing step to YUIcompressor to remove the ;
[05:41:43] <Splarka>	anyway
[05:41:56] <Splarka>	if you really wanted pages to load faster, you'd cater to noscript users and users with js disabled
[05:42:21] <Splarka>	even with JS disabled, most mozilla browsers will load all script src in case you enable the js later I guess
[05:42:40] <GreenReaper>	Well, could add the <script defer> syntax
[05:42:47] <Splarka>	so you could save a bunch of queries by replacing <script src=""> with <script>importScriptURI('')</script>
[05:42:48] <GreenReaper>	They just added support for that to Firefox
[05:42:55] <GreenReaper>	I did consider that
[05:43:12] <GreenReaper>	However most users do have JS enabled and use some of it.
[05:44:40] <GreenReaper>	I also preloading the MediaWiki files at the end of http://wikifur.com/, might actually do that after we move English over to the server. After all, they're shared between languages on pool, and if the user is going to need them, might as well have them already loaded.
[05:44:58] <Splarka>	and finally wmf is gzipping both /skins and on-site action=raw&ctype=text/css && text/js
[05:45:18] <GreenReaper>	how about the HTML of wikipedia.org? ;-)
[05:45:21] <Splarka>	but central notice slows everything down
[05:45:35] <Splarka>	ahh, GreenReaper, but not that many people use the portal
[05:45:47] <GreenReaper>	True, most people come in through search and the like.
[05:45:51] <Splarka>	in the same way "However most users do have JS enabled"
[05:45:58] <Annemarie>	Hmmm.
[05:45:58] <Splarka>	so they don't matter
[05:46:02] <Annemarie>	I wouldn't say that's strictly true.
[05:46:10] <GreenReaper>	Oh, everybody matters, it's just a matter of priorities.
[05:46:36] <GreenReaper>	but measured agaisnt ease of use, it's probably not that hard to gzip a page.
[05:46:39] <Annemarie>	wikipedia.org gets quite a bit of traffic. Try breaking it sometime and seeing how long until someone complains. ;-)
[05:46:42] <Annemarie>	The other portals don't. wikiquote.org, etc. But Wikipedia does.
[05:46:55] <Annemarie>	Or, heh, disable search bar auto-focus and see how fast someone notices and complains.
[05:47:01] <GreenReaper>	Maybe they'd use it more if it loaded faster. :-)
[05:47:10] <Annemarie>	I'd put it at below 15 minutes.
[05:47:48] <GreenReaper>	and that's another reason, people might not consciously understand that something is 0.1sec faster but they act on it nevertheless.
[05:48:23] <Splarka>	well, even if it got the same number of visits per person, like if it was a quick bookmark for search (for the lazy fskers who can't be bothered to click the search box), it is a single page, unlike the dynamic html of a few million articles on en.wp
[05:48:58] <GreenReaper>	Right. So it, of all the pages, is going to be loaded that much more often. :-)
[05:49:20] <Splarka>	it is cacheable at the squid level (I'd HIT it) and allows 1 hour local cache
[05:49:43] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: I was just saying, it /isn't/, but even if it /was/ it wouldn't matter
[05:50:02] *Annemarie 	laughs at the hit it comment.
[05:50:26] <Splarka>	perv
[05:50:38] <GreenReaper>	One hour isn't nearly enough.
[05:50:58] <GreenReaper>	It doesn't matter if people have a wikipedia.org that's a day old, surely.
[05:57:51] <Nikerabbit>	hi Splarka 
[05:58:16] *Splarka 	offers carrots
[06:00:22] *GreenReaper 	offers plush carrots: http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/GreenReaperLP/GreenReaperChillyPlush.jpg
[06:00:34] <Usama>	hello, how to get a list of all the users on my wiki ar.linux.yourwiki.net
[06:01:10] <GreenReaper>	Go to Special:ListUsers ?
[06:01:20] <GreenReaper>	There appear to be quite a few.
[06:02:51] <GreenReaper>	You can get other lists at Special:SpecialPages
[06:42:02] <CIA-57>	03tstarling * r52272 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Cdb_PHP.php: Optimised the CDB hash function, now roughly twice as fast for large strings. Most of the saving came from removing the function calls. Retested.
[06:45:05] <GreenReaper>	CIA-57 would be more useful if it linked to the code review website.
[06:45:14] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Do not strip off addition in parenthesis in signature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19261  +comment (10post)
[06:47:07] <TimStarling>	it's just called CIA, it gets a new nick each time it connects, see http://cia.vc
[06:47:46] <flyingparchment>	and we don't run it
[06:48:06] <OverlordQ>	mwbot can help, just msg it !r <revision>
[06:48:38] <flyingparchment>	doesn't that link to viewvc, not codereview?
[06:49:16] <OverlordQ>	!r 52272
[06:49:16] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52272
[06:49:22] <TimStarling>	I use a firefox keyword
[06:55:21] <Annemarie>	It'd be pretty to have an echo bot follow the CIA bots and link.
[06:55:29] <Annemarie>	Not sure anybody really wants that, though.
[06:56:05] <flyingparchment>	that sounds kind of annoying
[06:56:28] <p858snake>	maybe if it was in a seperate channel or something
[06:56:37] <Annemarie>	Indeed.
[06:56:45] <charitwo>	less annoying that commits that use 6-10 channel lines ?
[06:56:48] <charitwo>	s/that/than
[06:57:08] <OverlordQ>	firefox alias, or just whispering mwbot is the easiest/cleanest/least annoying method
[06:57:08] <flyingparchment>	most commits only use one line.  with that bot, all commits would use at least 2 lines
[07:02:05] <Annemarie>	I think it's curious that CIA doesn't let you customize output.
[07:34:27] <GreenReaper>	Huh. IE8 -> IE7 compatability view is automatically on for Wikipedia. That could explain why the editing textarea works properly for it but not for external MediaWiki wikis (if the article is long, typing into the middle causes the text to scroll - presuably because it can't take the width, there's an overriding 96% directive).
[07:41:36] <Splarka>	indeed, has been mentioned before
[07:41:46] <Splarka>	Wikipedia is /too/ compliant, it breaks IE8
[07:41:58] <GreenReaper>	I couldn't find a bug about it, was one filed?
[07:42:17] <Splarka>	well
[07:43:57] <Splarka>	the thing is, as far as I can see, many major sites aren't generally identifying as standards compliant, so IE8 goes into compatability mode... Wikipedia is a bit crazy in that it does try to be compliant, so breaks in IE 8 because IE 8 really really sucks
[07:44:12] <Splarka>	arr, compatibility
[07:44:44] <GreenReaper>	Right, but the issue is it's a problem for MediaWiki because every other wiki breaks as it *doesn't* have compatability enabled
[07:44:46] <Splarka>	there was one guy that came in and bitched at the channel that "your fonts are broken"
[07:44:51] <Splarka>	he had an earlie IE8 beta
[07:44:58] <GreenReaper>	so either it needs to work or it needs to add the compatability meta flag.
[07:45:04] <Splarka>	it turned out that his autoselected kanji font was corrupted
[07:45:10] <Splarka>	and of course, no way to manually select one
[07:45:31] <Splarka>	and it worked everywhere else because the sites were either not compliant, or were flagged for compatibility
[07:45:37] <Splarka>	so it was "our" fault
[07:46:02] <Splarka>	I think the end result of such stuff was, "Huh. IE8 -> IE7 compatability view is automatically on for Wikipedia."
[07:46:24] <flyingparchment>	uhhh, user with a corrupted font doesn't sound like an IE8 problem
[07:46:43] <GreenReaper>	Right, but Wikipedia is not the world. :-)
[07:47:08] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: it worked in compat mode, the font itself worked fine in other applications, it didn't make any sense
[07:47:26] <GreenReaper>	In the short term adding HTTP header X-UA-Compatible: IE=EmulateIE7 or <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7" /> might be good.
[07:47:40] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: the main part was, it wasn't Wikipedia's fault, heh
[07:47:46] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: if the font worked fine otherwise, it probably wasn't corrupted..
[07:48:04] <p858snake>	all the temp stop gaps that get add to mediawiki usally become permanentant
[07:48:17] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: you spoiling for a semantic argument?
[07:48:59] <GreenReaper>	Yes, unfortunately.
[07:49:15] <GreenReaper>	If you know how to fix the problem, that would work too.
[07:50:32] <Splarka>	<flaif>	When I go to wikipedia.org the japanese characters don't show up in IE8 unless I use compatibility mode. (worked fine in IE7 and FF)  Is there something incompatible about mediawiki and foreign characters that needs updating or does someone understand why this occurs?
[07:52:09] <Splarka>	[06:04:33] <flaif>	I've been playing with the source.  When I remove the <DOCTYPE line at the top it works.
[07:52:10] <Splarka>	heh
[07:52:47] <Splarka>	GreenReaper:
[07:52:48] <Splarka>	[07:14:08] <flaif>	Could add a meta tag: <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=7" /> 
[07:53:12] *Splarka 	sees dupe people
[08:06:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Textarea jumps when editing articles unless IE8 compatibility mode is on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19334 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (greenreaper)
[08:12:32] <Splarka>	ie8 fixes baby
[08:13:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creation of "autopatroller" usergroup on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19309  (10Ruslik00)
[08:14:37] <charitwo>	autopatroller...
[08:14:39] <charitwo>	lol
[08:26:34] <GreenSleeper>	Man, I need to unisntall something: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; byond_3.5; byond_4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; Tablet PC 2.0; Origami Experience 1.1; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729)
[08:27:03] <p858snake>	just do what everyone does, send fake user agents
[08:28:47] <domas>	=)
[08:44:54] <Bloodrayne>	How would I upload and direct a pdf download link?
[08:57:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Textarea jumps when editing articles unless IE8 compatibility mode is on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19334  (10greenreaper)
[08:59:31] <p858snake>	Bloodrayne: same as any other upload ([[special:upload]])
[09:00:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Textarea jumps when editing articles unless IE8 compatibility mode is on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19334   +need-review +patch (10greenreaper)
[09:01:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rel="license" on link should replace copyright meta tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19162   +need-review +patch (10greenreaper)
[09:10:30] <Bloodrayne>	Thanks, p858snake, means I need to contact my wiki admin to add permissions to upload as i see there's only 4 permitted files to upload
[09:18:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) new user created by OpenID does not appear in user creation log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18934  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[09:20:00] <Bloodrayne>	Hey Splarka
[09:20:04] <Bloodrayne>	long time no talk
[09:20:37] <Splarka>	rar
[09:21:04] <Bloodrayne>	:P
[09:21:48] <Splarka>	we talked on March 31
[09:21:53] <Bloodrayne>	yeah
[09:22:04] <Bloodrayne>	I have been busy with other stuff, came back here cos of file permission uploads
[09:22:17] <Splarka>	[07:56:40] <Bloodrayne>	you talking to me, Sparkla?
[09:22:17] <Splarka>	[07:56:48] <Splarka>	nope
[09:22:17] <Splarka>	[07:56:52] <Bloodrayne>	okay
[09:22:32] <Bloodrayne>	apparently can't upload *.pdf which I find out the admin must allow me to upload files with that extension
[09:22:41] <Splarka>	yah, that isn't a default extension
[09:23:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Textarea jumps when editing articles unless IE8 compatibility mode is on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19334  +comment (10greenreaper)
[09:24:16] <Bloodrayne>	the wiki that my company relies on is a private internal wiki and only four extensions are supported
[09:24:28] <Bloodrayne>	and those are images (png, jpg, gif, something else I can't remember)
[09:27:44] <Splarka>	GreenSleeper: IIRC user agent sniffing isn't done in mediawiki due to cache or something
[09:28:00] <Splarka>	(it was done with action=raw in the past, for certain reasons, but that was dropped)
[09:28:39] <GreenSleeper>	I could be wrong, but I think it would be OK in this case since it is already only privately cached.
[09:28:41] <werdna>	!wg FileExtensions | Bloodrayne 
[09:28:41] --mwbot--	Bloodrayne: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions
[09:28:43] <GreenSleeper>	since it is the edit page.
[09:28:53] <Bloodrayne>	werdna, I don't have the sysops to do that
[09:29:06] <Bloodrayne>	the guy at our office has to do this for me
[09:29:25] <Splarka>	GreenSleeper: other things break besides edit pages. P.S. fuck IE
[09:29:27] <werdna>	Bloodrayne: well, what help do you need then?
[09:29:44] <werdna>	I obviously can't make the change for you
[09:29:51] <GreenSleeper>	it sets
[09:29:51] <GreenSleeper>	Expires: in 1970
[09:29:51] <GreenSleeper>	Cache-Control: private, must-revalidate, max-age=0
[09:30:16] <Bloodrayne>	I know, Werdna
[09:30:30] <Bloodrayne>	but thanks for the info
[09:30:43] <GreenSleeper>	Probably, but I suspect those other things don't majorly hinder page editing. <g>
[09:30:49] <Bloodrayne>	I am working on now 5 sites that run with drupal as well
[09:31:09] <Bloodrayne>	wb p858snake
[09:31:40] <GreenSleeper>	Even I can't ignore IE and half of my users are foxes. ;-)
[09:35:51] <GreenSleeper>	The interesting question is the extent to which the preview in edit mode with compatibilty mode enabled will differ from the finished page with compatability mode disabled.
[09:36:53] <Splarka>	you have IE8?
[09:37:06] <GreenSleeper>	Yes.
[09:37:12] <Splarka>	can't you test it with two WMF wikis on a domain on and and a domain off the list?
[09:37:17] <Splarka>	(well, generally, not every scenario)
[09:37:36] <GreenSleeper>	Yes, what do you think I was doing when trying this out? ;-)
[09:38:06] <GreenSleeper>	I don't know every situation where the "other issues" you mentioned would come up, though.
[09:39:55] <Bloodrayne>	GreenSleeper: i'm a fox user :P
[09:40:27] *Splarka 	thinks Bloodrayne might not know what that means in the context green half-meant it in
[09:40:31] <GreenSleeper>	Things do get shifted slightly. The search buttons are bigger, the <ul> squares are in different places.
[09:44:36] <GreenSleeper>	I guess that means you can test both IE7 and IE8 with it though. ;-)
[09:44:51] <GreenSleeper>	Anyway, night.
[09:44:56] <Splarka>	z
[09:47:12] <Splarka>	quick, sneek in some naughty features
[09:49:12] <Bloodrayne>	lol
[09:49:55] <Splarka>	or disable some'
[09:50:07] <Splarka>	TimStarling: hint hint, padleft *cough*
[10:05:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PDF generation says progress: undefined% - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19282  +comment (10support)
[10:26:37] <TimStarling>	do you think a lot of people run MediaWiki over NFS?
[10:32:29] <vvv>	TimStarling: are you going to enable string functions?
[10:35:40] <TimStarling>	no
[10:35:58] <vvv>	TimStarling: what about Lua?
[10:36:09] <TimStarling>	maybe
[10:36:32] <TimStarling>	no is maybe a bit strong
[10:36:37] <vvv>	TimStarling: abuse filter parser, rewritten to shunting-yard algorithm?
[10:37:08] <TimStarling>	if we have a proper scripting solution like lua, enabled and in popular use, then I might consider enabling StringFunctions at that time if there's a strong case for it
[10:37:36] <TimStarling>	because having lua alongside it will limit the abuse potential
[10:38:28] <TimStarling>	I think the abuse filter language has a long way to go
[10:39:19] <vvv>	TimStarling: I'm working on it. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/2/26/InlineScripts_screenshot_1.png as an example of its usage
[10:40:46] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52273 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (19 files in 5 dirs): feature mapping stores
[10:42:37] <TimStarling>	have you considered the problem of resource limits?
[10:43:21] <vvv>	TimStarling: it's in my to-do list
[10:52:27] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Allow enabling of pretty URLs directly from interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19331  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[10:52:47] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Allow enabling of pretty URLs directly from interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19331  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:05:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Lua extension on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19298  (10tim)
[11:08:19] <faceface>	can I right align a column in a table?
[11:10:16] <faceface>	or, how do I set the class of a column?
[11:10:22] <faceface>	it is implicitly row based?
[11:11:31] <faceface>	style="text-align:right" I guess thats mostly what I want
[11:12:54] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=986
[11:13:22] <faceface>	ty Splarka 
[11:13:54] <Splarka>	<col> and <colgroup> have not been whitelisted due to problems between browser implementations, apparently
[11:14:06] <Splarka>	this bug discusses a future plan to fake such behavior
[11:14:15] <Splarka>	but really, the only solution is to class each td/th in each row
[11:14:33] <faceface>	browsers eh? who'd use em!
[11:15:41] <Splarka>	well, for example, firefox
[11:15:54] <Splarka>	> Remember that *align does not work for columns* on Firefox.
[11:15:59] <faceface>	I just telnet to port 80 and issue a GET
[11:16:37] <Splarka>	<!-- dear port 80 users: pretend the text here is right aligned -->
[11:17:04] <faceface>	<!-- please adjust your mental parser... -->
[11:18:02] <werdna>	hehe
[11:21:04] <faceface>	should we petition FF?
[11:21:18] <faceface>	dear devs - work harder plz
[11:21:29] <faceface>	yours faithfully... 
[11:21:34] <faceface>	the lazies
[11:22:12] <Splarka>	http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_colgroup_align.asp
[11:22:35] <Splarka>	well, basically it is just IE&O that do support it
[11:23:46] <faceface>	only those two? well... 
[11:25:38] <werdna>	Doesn't work in webkit?
[11:26:56] <Splarka>	well, that list only shows IE/O/FF/Safari/Chrome
[11:30:17] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52274 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: whitespace :)
[11:31:50] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52275 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): (bug 19254) Fixed some tracking table bugs
[11:31:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Review-Button on watchlist after moving page to a ns without flagged version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19254  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[12:02:19] <rook2pawn>	is their some service to get wikimedia commons picture of the day into my wiki?
[12:02:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Thread links go to below header, not above - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19335 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:05:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Visual refresh on footers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19336 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:07:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Some way to lock a thread to new posts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19337 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:10:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) LQT indent style needs to be refreshed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19338 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:12:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) LQT threads and archives need to be nice and searchable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19339 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:15:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Replace wholesale quoting with optional selective quoting (maybe with JS) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19340 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:17:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Subtitle link in "a fragment of a discussion" doesn't work properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19341 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:17:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) LiquidThreads tab order is confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19342 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:18:17] <werdna>	woo, 8 bugs to fix
[12:20:11] <faceface>	werdna: you work on LQT?
[12:20:19] <werdna>	yes, it's my current assignment
[12:26:00] <vvv>	werdna: and it has chances to be enabled on Wikimedia?
[12:28:57] <Duesentrieb>	vvv: if there was no chance, why would wmf assign it to him?
[12:31:28] <werdna>	vvv: Hopefully before Wikimania
[12:31:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Do not strip off addition in parenthesis in signature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19261  (10paul.copperman)
[12:42:02] <Taigan>	someone killed my nick :\
[12:42:10] <Taigan>	it's bloodrayne
[12:42:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creation of "autopatroller" usergroup on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19309  (10nw.wikipedia)
[12:44:12] <LauraHale>	Autopatrol user groups can be awesome.
[13:01:45] <Majorly>	how sad is this: i dreamt my wiki got hacked and some people managed to edit it, despite no one apart from me being able to :/
[13:10:48] <rook2pawn>	Majorly: that is interesting dream
[13:17:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't upload image after upgrading to 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19329  (10innocentkiller)
[13:25:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Link field for images in a gallery - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19343 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (majorly.wiki)
[13:40:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't upload image after upgrading to 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19329  (10taner)
[13:51:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't upload image after upgrading to 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19329  (10innocentkiller)
[14:28:04] <werdna>	srsly, look at this
[14:28:05] <werdna>	http://pic.im/5RR
[14:28:25] <werdna>	wtf?
[14:33:13] <vvv>	werdna: what's wrong with it?
[14:35:03] <flyingparchment>	why did you screenshot your text editor instead of just pasting the text?
[14:39:26] <werdna>	vvv: impenetrable variable names, inline HTML, initialising variables way before their contents are relevant, little vertical whitespace, no comments, lines aren't broken, when lines are broken they're not indented, ...
[14:39:53] <werdna>	flyingparchment: because it was easier at the time :)
[14:40:08] <elysianfields44>	Hi, quick question: Is it possible to get a section ID from the section name? Thanks.
[14:40:14] <werdna>	vvv: the comment at the top, "TODO is soemwhat bizarre" is a bit ominous, too :)
[14:40:30] <vvv>	werdna: how was I supposed to find it out using a bad-quality screenshot?
[14:41:31] <werdna>	vvv: *shrug* I can read it :)
[14:41:55] <werdna>	Just the effect of seeing all the hardcoded HTML made me sigh
[14:43:36] <vvv>	"TODO is is somewhat bizarre"
[14:50:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add provider picker to Special:OpenIDConvert - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19344 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenID; (sergey.chernyshev)
[14:50:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add provider picker to Special:OpenIDConvert - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19344  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[14:50:59] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Add provider picker to Special:OpenIDConvert - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19344  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[14:53:16] <CIA-58>	03jojo * r52276 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.php): fix: convert index to integer
[14:58:47] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52277 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (23 files in 6 dirs): lots of fixes; get BuildConceptAssociationsTest to work
[15:04:19] <Majorly>	how to hide the first header on every category?
[15:11:11] <CIA-58>	03jojo * r52278 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.hooks.php): fixes: do not use getPrefixedUrl() but getPrefixedText(), check if regex match is set before using implicit null value.
[15:12:02] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52279 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_Filter.php: Removed handling of SMWSQLStore
[15:12:56] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52280 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_AppliedFilter.php: Removed handling of SMWSQLStore
[15:13:54] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52281 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: Removed handling of SMWSQLStore
[15:15:40] <faceface>	Majorly: you mean the letter?
[15:15:58] <Majorly>	no
[15:16:03] <faceface>	liek A, Apple, AEon, .. B, Bingo.... oh
[15:16:16] <Majorly>	I mean the part that says Category:Foo
[15:16:46] <faceface>	Majorly: there is a magic work to play with that iirc
[15:17:10] <Majorly>	there is a simple css code, but i can't figure it out
[15:17:30] <faceface>	can anyone help with this error "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file."
[15:17:37] <faceface>	can't see any problems in error.log
[15:18:07] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52282 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (LiquidThreads.php classes/LqtParserFunctions.php): Add LqtParserFunctions.php. Also, a minor definition change from upcoming changes in the same file.
[15:18:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Log page headers not shown: LogEventList::showHeader() broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19345 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (raimond.spekking)
[15:18:30] <faceface>	Majorly: {{DISPLAYTITLE:title}} Format the current page's title header
[15:18:46] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52283 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtParserFunctions.php: E_STRICT
[15:18:57] <Majorly>	i don't want a title
[15:19:21] <faceface>	Majorly: well set it to 'ignore this title' or something like that
[15:20:18] <faceface>	MediaWiki does not have a built-in option to hide the main page title (see bug 6129). Instead you must use JavaScript or CSS
[15:20:23] <faceface>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_Main_Page_title.3F
[15:20:33] <faceface>	edit that when you work out what to do :-)
[15:20:45] <faceface>	oh wait... the solution is there
[15:22:02] <Majorly>	i'm using css
[15:22:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow user to pick primary OpenID URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19346 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenID; (sergey.chernyshev)
[15:22:22] <faceface>	I am seeing this msg: "Failed to load magic database at '/usr/share/misc/magic'. in /local/ws/www-potato/httpd/htdocs/potato/wiki/includes/MimeMagic.php on line 648, referer: https://www.compbio.dundee.ac.uk/potato/wiki/Special", but not at the same time as the upload fails
[15:22:53] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52284 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (ffs/Gettext.php scripts/dump-tm.php): Script to dump all translations into a po
[15:24:53] <Duesentrieb>	!mime | faceface
[15:24:53] --mwbot--	faceface: For assistance in configuring mime type detection on MediaWiki, please consult < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection >
[15:25:15] *faceface 	consults
[15:25:32] <Duesentrieb>	@search detector
[15:25:32] --mwbot--	Results: []
[15:25:35] <Duesentrieb>	hm
[15:25:51] <faceface>	btw, I tried setting the 'file -bi', but no change in behaviour
[15:26:07] <faceface>	and PHP's FileInfo module is installed
[15:26:21] <faceface>	yum list installed | grep pecl -> php-pecl-fileinfo.x86_64
[15:26:52] <faceface>	If you are getting an error like mime_magic could not be initialized, magic file is not available, this module is not configured correctly - refer to the PHP documentation for information on how to fix this... Hmmmm...
[15:27:49] <Majorly>	finally... I was using a lowercase letter instead of uppercase
[15:28:14] *faceface 	sets "$wgLoadFileinfoExtension = true"
[15:28:28] <faceface>	encore!
[15:28:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Backport OpenID preferences to MW versions < 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19347 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenID; (sergey.chernyshev)
[15:29:20] <faceface>	The file you uploaded seems to be empty. ... I think this is a security thing, but error log isn't changing
[15:30:09] <faceface>	there are no new errros in the error log
[15:31:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add multi-user OpenID patch to be used in LoadExtensionSchemaUpdates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19348 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenID; (sergey.chernyshev)
[15:35:46] <faceface>	php -i | grep upload_tmp_dir -> upload_tmp_dir => no value => no value
[15:35:54] <faceface>	should default to /tmp right?
[15:36:42] <CIA-58>	03sergeychernyshev * r52285 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (3 files): 
[15:36:42] <CIA-58>	Added provider picker to OpenIDConvert page (bug 19344).
[15:36:42] <CIA-58>	Changed version to 0.9-dev until bug 19348 and bug 19347 are fixed and new version is ready for release.
[15:39:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add provider picker to Special:OpenIDConvert - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19344  +comment (10sergey.chernyshev)
[15:40:36] <faceface>	PHP Warning:  urlencode() expects parameter 1 to be string, object given in /local/ws/www-potato/httpd/htdocs/potato/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1141, referer: http://webservices.compbio.dundee.ac.uk:3123/potato/wiki/Special:Upload ?
[15:40:55] <Nikerabbit>	no backtrace?
[15:41:52] <faceface>	I finally got the file to load... it was as issue with LimitRequestBody ... I was expecting that to throw an error if it was the cause of the problem
[15:41:56] <faceface>	thansk Duesentrieb 
[15:42:04] <faceface>	Nikerabbit: how can I gnerate that?
[15:42:22] <Nikerabbit>	echo wfBackTrace(); ?
[15:43:15] <Duesentrieb>	install xdebug
[15:43:51] <faceface>	Nikerabbit: Duesentrieb: for the sake of argument, can you assume that your talking to an imbecil?
[15:45:03] <Duesentrieb>	faceface: apt-get install php5-xdebug
[15:45:15] <faceface>	Duesentrieb: I don't have root
[15:45:18] <Duesentrieb>	when it's installed, you get much more info on any errors php reports
[15:45:25] <faceface>	I see
[15:45:29] <faceface>	will it slow down PHP
[15:45:33] <Duesentrieb>	you can ask for it to be installed
[15:45:37] <faceface>	yup
[15:45:46] <faceface>	assuming there is negligable impact on the server...
[15:45:55] <Duesentrieb>	don't know
[15:46:09] <Duesentrieb>	a production box shouldn't output error messages, so xdebug would be pointless
[15:46:19] <Duesentrieb>	no idea if there's an impact just from having it loaded
[15:46:41] <faceface>	this is a warning, not an error
[15:47:00] <Duesentrieb>	yea, or that.
[15:47:03] <Duesentrieb>	same difference
[15:47:05] <faceface>	Nikerabbit: your asking me to edit the GlobalFunctions.php?
[15:47:18] <TimStarling>	yes xdebug is slow, that's why we don't use it on wikimedia
[15:47:21] <TimStarling>	one of the reasons anyway
[15:47:44] <faceface>	I see
[15:48:03] <Duesentrieb>	quite possible
[15:48:11] <Duesentrieb>	very handy on the local dev box though
[15:48:27] <faceface>	The error seems to be the result of LimitRequestBody stoping the upload, but it only showed up after a server restart (flushing the error output cache or something?)
[15:49:02] <Platonides>	perhaps it flushed a bytecache?
[15:49:50] <faceface>	it only shows up twice in the error log...
[15:50:03] <faceface>	Thu Apr 23 15:03:20 2009 / Mon Jun 22 16:36:22 2009
[15:50:23] <TimStarling>	am I the only one who has never heard of LimitRequestBody?
[15:50:44] <werdna>	I haven't either
[15:50:54] *Duesentrieb 	looks blank
[15:50:57] *faceface 	feels better already
[15:51:06] <faceface>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Uploading_files
[15:51:42] *werdna 	gave up on making the LiquidThreads archive pager work, and has just about finished the 50 lines of glue code to implement the same thing with a standard TablePager
[15:51:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) OpenID 0.9 release meta-bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19349 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenID; (sergey.chernyshev)
[15:52:21] <Duesentrieb>	oh, an apache directive
[15:52:47] <faceface>	talking of OpenID, is there an external page that documents users and there edits to WP?
[15:52:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) OpenID 0.9 release meta-bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19349  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[15:53:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add multi-user OpenID patch to be used in LoadExtensionSchemaUpdates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19348  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[15:53:07] <faceface>	like a kind of 'citation index' for WP people?
[15:53:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Backport OpenID preferences to MW versions < 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19347  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[15:53:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) OpenID 0.9 release meta-bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19349  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[15:53:36] <faceface>	http://www.techpresentations.org/Knowledge%2C_Structure%2C_and_Other_Stuff_–_The_State_of_Semantic_MediaWiki
[15:57:32] <TimStarling>	morning brion
[15:58:03] <brion>	mornin tim
[15:58:05] <brion>	what's up
[15:59:20] <TimStarling>	!hesaidsemantic | faceface
[15:59:20] --mwbot--	faceface: http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[15:59:41] <TimStarling>	brion: faceface was just telling us something about SMW, I think
[16:00:23] <TimStarling>	I'm adding another layer of caching to our localisation system
[16:00:27] <TimStarling>	I think that makes 5...
[16:00:50] <Nikerabbit>	cute
[16:01:07] <faceface>	I used that img in a recent presentation... nobody laughed...
[16:01:12] <werdna>	hey brion 
[16:01:35] <Nikerabbit>	database, memcached, serialised, process cache... ?
[16:02:23] <werdna>	brion: I'm being hassled about bug 19309 (which is creating an autopatroller group on enwiki). Seems to be a vote in favour, is that okay to go ahead and implement?
[16:02:26] <werdna>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19309
[16:05:57] <TimStarling>	I think I will be deleting a cache or two to preserve code bloat karma
[16:07:41] <brion>	heh
[16:07:44] <brion>	werdna: looking
[16:08:00] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52286 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php: Fixed handling of properties for untranslated languages
[16:08:45] <brion>	werdna: works for me, go ahead
[16:11:40] <werdna>	brion: ok :)
[16:15:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Creation of "autopatroller" usergroup on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19309  +comment (10agarrett)
[16:16:19] <fn][>	I need to hide the automatic title of the page
[16:18:31] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52287 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/INSTALL: New version: 0.5.8
[16:20:35] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52288 10/tags/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/REL_0_5_8/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Tag for version 0.5.8
[16:22:15] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52289 10/tags/extensions/ExternalData/REL_0_7/: Tag for version 0.7
[16:27:08] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52290 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (common/shared.css monobook/main.css): Move TablePager code from main.css to shared.css
[16:27:29] <Nikerabbit>	Q: why interwikilinks are polluting the global namespace namespace?
[16:28:26] <TimStarling>	because that's what they're fo
[16:28:27] <TimStarling>	r
[16:28:49] <TimStarling>	if you want something that is manageable and doesn't randomly break thousands of links, try URLs
[16:29:14] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: how will swedes link to the (not-yet-existing) fil.wikipedia when their file-namespace is called fil :)
[16:29:47] <TimStarling>	with great difficulty
[16:30:42] <Nikerabbit>	indeed
[16:30:59] <brion>	gonna update Collection ext for tweaks and localization updates
[16:31:07] <TimStarling>	I mean, there's a reason URLs are so long and ugly, it's because they're meant to be globally unique
[16:31:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Links in generated PDF files are incorrect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19350 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (alejrb)
[16:31:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Backport OpenID preferences to MW versions < 1.16 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19347  summary; +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[16:31:20] <TimStarling>	that's a useful property though
[16:32:01] <TimStarling>	I can see that they made sense on meatball
[16:32:16] <TimStarling>	where they'd never even considered putting spaces in their article titles, let alone colons
[16:32:32] <TimStarling>	but I don't think they're a good idea for wikimedia
[16:33:02] <TimStarling>	ok I have to qualify now
[16:33:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Backport OpenID preferences to MW versions < 1.16 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19347  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[16:33:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) DB2 v8 does not support multi-line SQL comment syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19351 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (jared.pearson)
[16:33:17] <TimStarling>	it may be possible to have some carefully chosen set of interwiki prefixes that actually works
[16:33:47] <TimStarling>	but I don't think it works to use a list of every wiki in existence, compiled by sysops on meta
[16:33:56] <TimStarling>	and a whole lot of wikis that have stopped existing, too
[16:34:19] <Nikerabbit>	well, I was mostly talking about the language links... which give most problems
[16:34:24] <Annemarie>	You didn't really answer the second question.
[16:34:30] <Annemarie>	About Swedes and Fil.
[16:35:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Links in generated PDF files are incorrect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19350  (10brion)
[16:35:39] <TimStarling>	by adding an exception to the exception list in the interwiki generator script
[16:36:36] <TimStarling>	it can be added to this list:
[16:36:37] <TimStarling>	        # Special case prefix rewrites, for the benefit of Swedish which uses s:t
[16:36:37] <TimStarling>	        # as an abbreviation for saint
[16:36:37] <TimStarling>	        $prefixRewrites = array(
[16:36:37] <TimStarling>	                'svwiki' => array ( 's' => 'src'),
[16:36:37] <TimStarling>	        ); 
[16:37:02] <Nikerabbit>	lovely
[16:37:08] <TimStarling>	nice that they will be responsible for two out of two exceptions
[16:39:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Member of group(s)" in Special:Preferences causes language difficulties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14454  summary (10public)
[16:39:57] <Annemarie>	I'm looking for a bug for allowing bureaucrats to create custom user groups.
[16:40:38] <Annemarie>	Hmm, I'll file one and wait for a dupe.
[16:45:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow bureaucrats to create custom user groups - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19352 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (public)
[16:59:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) staticredirect Magic word not found - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17414  04BLOCKER->minor; +comment (10tstarling)
[17:21:15] <yannis>	hello all
[17:21:34] <yannis>	I run a wiki for a lesson at the uni
[17:22:29] <yannis>	but for some reasons, some users claim that when they try to add something on the page (single page wiki) the entire content disappears in the preview
[17:22:43] <yannis>	any ideas/recommendations would be much appreciated...
[17:24:27] <yannis>	anyone?
[17:30:18] <Schroeder>	are they removing all that content when they edit?
[17:30:28] <yannis>	yes
[17:30:32] <yannis>	exactly
[17:30:34] <Schroeder>	that's why
[17:31:13] <yannis>	they add to that they don't remove it 
[17:31:28] <yannis>	even if they don't do anything
[17:31:53] <Schroeder>	is that what they're actually doing, or is that just what you told them to do?
[17:32:12] <yannis>	it is what they are doing
[17:32:19] <yannis>	cause I did it myslelf
[17:32:27] <yannis>	and it happens to me too
[17:32:33] <yannis>	once I edit the page
[17:32:34] <Schroeder>	is this wiki publicly accessible, where we could see for ourselves?
[17:32:40] <yannis>	sure
[17:36:05] <Schroeder>	I've tried it, and I don't see it happening
[17:36:10] <Schroeder>	let me make sure I understand
[17:36:13] <Schroeder>	go to a page that already exists
[17:36:20] <Schroeder>	make an edit, and preview the edit
[17:36:24] <Schroeder>	correct?
[17:36:33] <yannis>	yes
[17:36:39] <yannis>	and in the preview
[17:36:45] <yannis>	it doesn't show anything
[17:36:50] <yannis>	without even editing
[17:37:03] <Schroeder>	I'm doing that at Sandbox right now, and it's not doing anything out of the ordinary for me
[17:37:08] <yannis>	I just hit edit and then preview
[17:37:36] <Schroeder>	yup, even then looks normal
[17:38:22] <yannis>	it shows a warning on top of the page regarding page size
[17:38:31] <yannis>	could this be related?
[17:46:04] <elysianfields44>	Does anyone know how to stop the parser from caching a page? I have: $parser->disableCache() but despite that the only way I can get it to update is by changing (not really changing but resaving) LocalSettings.php and then reloading the page.
[17:46:31] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52291 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/SpecialOpenID.body.php: follow-up r52258: change default trust root to "$wgServer . $wgScriptPath" (rather than $wgServer . $wgArticlePath) since we now always use $wgScriptPath for urls
[18:00:39] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r52292 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaMessages.i18n.php: Add messages for the new usergroup added per bug 19309 today.
[18:16:05] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r52293 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (27 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-06-22 18:07 UTC)
[18:21:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Logo for Modern Skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14594  (10chinchi29)
[18:23:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Whitelist more HTML tags: abbr acronym address dfn kbd q samp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671  +comment (10abxabx)
[18:23:57] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52294 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/OpenID.i18n.php: Fix typo in message 'openidconvertoraddmoreids'
[18:29:48] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r52295 10/trunk/extensions/ (46 files in 41 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-06-22 18:20 UTC)
[18:47:14] <BlackWolf>	yesterday I installed MediaWiki on my server, and after about 4 hours work I got it to work, but today I can't even get to the page w/o getting a '403 Forbidden' page up in my face. what the hell has happened? how can I prevent this from happening again and is there any solutions to solve these kinds of problems?  also, my other subdomain: mail, stopped working after getting wiki working. are these related to each oth
[18:48:25] <Platonides>	ask the server admin?
[18:48:47] <BlackWolf>	I've done that already, but they want money in exchange ^^
[18:49:44] <BlackWolf>	and their request first of all is that I contact this support to get an answer why the domain stopped working, in case if some lines are incorrect etc...
[18:50:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) White border around thumb in Standard skin outside main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8814  normal->high; +comment (10chinchi29)
[18:50:29] <Platonides>	are you rewriting the url?
[18:50:37] <Platonides>	eg. using .htaccess
[18:51:04] <BlackWolf>	no, but using Aliases in the httpd.include file (VPS system)
[18:52:20] <Platonides>	if you made an error breaking your domain, I'd expect it to be there
[18:52:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS specification of line-height using "em" is bad (vertical squishing for headers/large text) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2013  normal->high (10chinchi29)
[18:53:25] <BlackWolf>	but after configuring the httpd.include file yesterday made the domain work perfect, but today nothing works.. weird
[18:55:39] <BlackWolf>	then I'm wondering if you know where to find apache config file(s), due I restarted the server and got some replies on that there is some 'Errors on line 22' ?
[18:58:44] <Platonides>	/etc/apache2/ and subfolders
[19:03:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Set up compat redirect stats.wikipedia.org -> stats.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19353 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: DNS; (brion)
[19:05:23] <simsim>	hello all. does the only way to change a user's username in mediawiki is through the database?
[19:06:05] <Platonides>	no
[19:06:10] <Platonides>	Special:Renameuser
[19:06:33] <Platonides>	!extension Renameuser 
[19:06:33] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[19:06:50] <Platonides>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser
[19:07:27] <simsim>	oh.. thanks a lot, Platonides! this is never documented in mediawiki's manual on mediawiki.org
[19:07:37] <OverlordQ>	the shortcut for extensions is !e
[19:07:44] <simsim>	oh.. it's an extention
[19:07:50] <simsim>	extension*
[19:08:41] <Duesentrieb>	simsim: uh, did you try to just type "rename" into the search box?...
[19:08:49] <lch>	zocky, "template profiler" is still a red link! >:]
[19:09:23] <Duesentrieb>	simsim: it's also linked from the faq (doesn't have its own entry though)
[19:09:23] <zocky>	lch,  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateProfiler 
[19:09:33] <lch>	ah, thanks
[19:09:44] <lch>	I was looking at http://xoo.mitko.si/Main_page
[19:10:50] <simsim>	Duesentrieb, i used "change username', 'changing username" but never thought of using siMPLY "rename" :)
[19:12:27] <simsim>	nonetheless, i think it should be made explicit in the manual that renaming usernames in mediawiki cannot be done thru the interface out of the box
[19:13:14] <simsim>	ppl used to adminsiter forums will find this confusing IMO
[19:13:50] <Duesentrieb>	simsim: go ahead, it's a wiki
[19:13:57] <OverlordQ>	renaming in MW is a bit more involved afaik
[19:14:13] <Duesentrieb>	yes, because of all the logs and history cruft.
[19:14:18] <Duesentrieb>	that could be exmplained.
[19:15:06] *OverlordQ 	wonders how much the database schema could be improved if it didn't have to be so backwards compatible
[19:15:37] <simsim>	Duesentrieb: thanks. where that should be mentioned in the manual, you think?
[19:15:41] <Platonides>	the _text fields are quite a problem
[19:16:10] <Duesentrieb>	simsim: i'd put it in the faq. or anywhere where you would have expected that information.
[19:16:23] <Platonides>	I don't see how'd be able to remove them, though
[19:16:38] <Annemarie>	There's a new one now. log_user_text
[19:16:40] <Annemarie>	Someone should check if the extension works with it.
[19:16:43] <Annemarie>	Put IPs in the user table.
[19:17:33] <Platonides>	perhaps it wouldn't be so bad
[19:19:16] <Platonides>	Annemarie, doesn't seem to change it
[19:19:30] <Annemarie>	Hmm?
[19:19:40] <Annemarie>	Oh, gotcha.
[19:19:57] <Annemarie>	So that should probably be filed as a bug?
[19:20:46] <Platonides>	yes
[19:23:54] <simsim>	Duesentrieb: the FAQ looks way hairy! it would look better if divised into categories.. i'll add the username rename and see what i can do with the whole page
[19:29:48] <BlackWolf>	what to do if server says: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[19:29:49] <BlackWolf>	Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...[Mon Jun 22 21:24:59 2009] [warn] Useless use of AllowOverride in line 22.
[19:29:49] <BlackWolf>	 waiting [Mon Jun 22 21:25:01 2009] [warn] Useless use of AllowOverride in line 22. ?
[19:30:04] <lch>	working great, zocky 
[19:31:57] <Duesentrieb>	BlackWolf: nothing.
[19:32:12] <Duesentrieb>	it just warns about messy config. nothing critical.
[19:32:25] <Duesentrieb>	it may indicate that the config doesn't do what you intended it to do, though
[19:33:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable Special:Nuke on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15783  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:34:20] <zocky>	lch, can I see it?
[19:34:58] <lch>	I haven't applied the CSS stuff globally, only for my user account
[19:35:13] <lch>	but apart from that, sure
[19:38:52] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52296 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/NavigableTOC/ (NavigableTOC.js NavigableTOC.php): NavigableTOC: Change some uses of $() to jQuery() to shut up error about $ not being a function on the prototype sandbox
[19:40:48] <BlackWolf>	Duesentrieb: what config is it talking about?
[19:41:12] <Duesentrieb>	apache's configuration file
[19:41:20] <Duesentrieb>	httpd.conf, or somethign it includes
[19:41:29] <BlackWolf>	hmm
[19:42:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Extension:Nuke on all but largest wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15685  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[19:42:24] <BlackWolf>	httpd.include is nulled to original layout, so that couldn't be the problem and I've made some modifications in the httpd.conf file with the Aliases so that my Wiki should work, restarted the apache but w/o luck, again...
[19:42:51] <BlackWolf>	Roan
[19:42:56] <BlackWolf>	need help from you
[19:43:24] <RoanKattouw>	Sure, ask ahead
[19:44:22] <BlackWolf>	yesterday we talked about my wiki and I got it to work, today neither my wiki nor mail works under the same domain, except the main domain ofc
[19:45:21] <BlackWolf>	remember?
[19:45:27] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[19:45:32] <RoanKattouw>	How does it not work? Link?
[19:45:46] <BlackWolf>	403 Forbidden page appears
[19:45:53] <RoanKattouw>	^^
[19:45:53] <BlackWolf>	http://wikipedia.urog.org/wiki/
[19:46:04] <BlackWolf>	private chat?
[19:46:06] <RoanKattouw>	That 404s for me
[19:54:12] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[20:04:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18590  (10Ahonc.ua)
[20:37:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow enabling of pretty URLs directly from interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19331  (10francisdinh)
[20:46:56] <mobiGeek>	morning folks!
[20:47:41] <mobiGeek>	is there any way to extract the content of a MW page, stripping it down to a simple HTML page without CSS or the page navigation divs, etc ?
[20:48:04] <RoanKattouw>	mobiGeek: index.php?action=render&title=Some_page_name
[20:48:06] <siebrand>	mobiGeek: check api.php
[20:49:20] <mobiGeek>	RoanKattouw: wow!  awsome!  Still has class="...", but that's not a problem.
[20:49:55] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: this is unexpected. Why? http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Main_Page&action=render&title=Some_page_name&uselang=en -> There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or edit this page.
[20:49:58] <mobiGeek>	and if I log out, then I don't get the "Edit" links in there too.
[20:50:36] <mobiGeek>	siebrand: why do you have two "title=" ?
[20:51:06] <siebrand>	mobiGeek / RoanKattouw: that helps, thanks :)
[20:51:11] <mobiGeek>	LOL
[20:51:28] *siebrand 	mumbles something.
[20:59:51] <kibble>	is there someway for one group to automatically get the same rights as another group? I seem to recall something like that...
[21:00:08] <kibble>	ie. people in bureaucracts automatically get the same rights as in sysop
[21:01:58] <Annemarie>	['sysop']''bureaucrat'] = true or something.
[21:02:18] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[21:02:29] <Duesentrieb>	no that looks broken.
[21:03:09] <Duesentrieb>	try $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat'] += $wgGroupPermissions['sysop'];
[21:03:43] <Annemarie>	That looks scary.
[21:04:07] <Duesentrieb>	why?
[21:04:15] <david__>	In what format it the data of the wiki pages itself saved?  I have head ikiwiki support Git and Subversion to take care of wiki-pages revision, Revision Control System
[21:04:24] *Annemarie 	goes to test.
[21:04:43] <Duesentrieb>	david__: it's sored in full text, flat in the database.
[21:04:56] <david__>	thanks Duesentrieb 
[21:05:55] <kibble>	thanks daniel/mzm
[21:06:53] <david__>	Is the MediaWiki markup standardized, that is to say, is it Markdown, traditional  WikiText, reStructuredText, Textile, ...?
[21:07:07] <Annemarie>	kibble: Duesentrieb is right. I was wrong. :-)
[21:07:15] <Annemarie>	Just tested locally.
[21:07:17] <kibble>	:-)
[21:07:37] <Annemarie>	$wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat'] += $wgGroupPermissions['sysop'];  gives bureaucrats all the rights that sysops have.
[21:11:14] <Duesentrieb>	david__: it's not standardized, it's a Mess (tm)
[21:11:20] <Duesentrieb>	!synatx | david__
[21:11:20] --mwbot--	david__: I don't know anything about "synatx".
[21:11:26] <Duesentrieb>	by
[21:11:46] *Duesentrieb 	eyes keyboard. wtf, keyboard?
[21:11:48] <Platonides>	it's just MediaWiki syntax
[21:11:53] <Duesentrieb>	!syntax | david__
[21:11:53] --mwbot--	david__: For help with MediaWiki's Wikitext syntax, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing>. For an (incomplete) formal specification, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec>.
[21:14:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Revamping of special pages UI, and creation of MW UI standards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13747   +accessibility (10jidanni)
[21:15:51] <facefaceface>	hi
[21:16:14] <facefaceface>	here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL I read "You're done; your wiki should be working perfectly. If not, go to irc://irc.freenode.org/mediawiki and report any problems."
[21:16:29] <david__>	Duesentrieb, We are thinking about using ikiwiki, MediaWiki or any other for the gnuherds documentation wiki.  Being a mess (tm) I think we will not go with it. Feel free to advise us to use anyone you think fit it our use case: We are looking for the more features possible, standardized wiki syntax if it is possible, easy of maintenance, stable, etc., etc.
[21:16:52] <facefaceface>	I think the problem comes because the docs say "At the bottom of LocalSettings.php, add the following:" ... $wgScriptPath = "/w";    
[21:17:04] <facefaceface>	but several parameters have already picked up $wgScriptPath
[21:17:14] <facefaceface>	should I set it earlier in the config?
[21:17:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search suggestions broken on usability prototype wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19354 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (brion)
[21:17:26] <facefaceface>	i.e. should I set it where it originally gets set?
[21:17:43] <Simetrical>	facefaceface, yeah, changing the existing line is probably better.
[21:18:23] <Duesentrieb>	david__: pluses of mediawiki are mainly: insanely scalable (though nither fast nor lightweight), hughe user base, literally thousands of extensions (of various quality).
[21:18:53] <Duesentrieb>	david__: downsides: messy syntax, rather bloated, usability could be better (working on that)
[21:19:00] <Duesentrieb>	david__: it's it's it in very shourt :)
[21:19:03] <Duesentrieb>	err, short
[21:19:46] <facefaceface>	Simetrical, although I just checked and there was a typo in my config... I'll just clear my cache... the problem is that CSS isn't being found
[21:20:10] <rainman_>	brion, heya brion, if you're a in a search mood, you might want to take another look at the new search ui.. i think it might be ready to be turned on... 
[21:21:58] <brion>	looks good, trevor was demoing :D
[21:22:21] <david__>	thanks Duesentrieb!
[21:23:05] <Duesentrieb>	david__: mediawiki's beta-test platform is wikipedia. i'd say that makes it pretty stable :)
[21:23:51] <Duesentrieb>	but it's not neccessarily the programmer's choice.
[21:24:26] <mobiGeek>	Is there a URL parameter I can add to avoid having "edit" links displayed in a wiki page?
[21:25:59] <facefaceface>	hmm... I'm fairly sure I got the Alias right, but the other three settings don't feel correct
[21:26:03] <facefaceface>	I'll paste
[21:28:26] <kibble>	mobiGeek, &printable=yes? :-)
[21:28:44] <facefaceface>	http://pastebin.com/d376aa839
[21:29:20] <facefaceface>	you see they already had a wiki installed under /httpdroot/wiki - I'm installing within that directory in a directory called 'w'
[21:29:34] <facefaceface>	hence 'Alias /wiki "/httpdroot/wiki/w/index.php"'
[21:29:43] <facefaceface>	but that confuses me wrt the other three settings
[21:30:17] <mobiGeek>	kibble: i'm using &action=render already to strip out JS, CSS and navigation.  adding &printable=yes does not seem to remove the EDIT links.  I can remove them, but I have to log out first.  I'd rather not have to log out constantly.
[21:30:21] <facefaceface>	$wgScriptPath       = "/wiki/w"; ?
[21:31:21] <facefaceface>	can anyone see what's wrong?
[21:31:30] <mobiGeek>	facefaceface: i don't think you want your Alias to include index.php
[21:31:52] <mobiGeek>	you want /wiki to alias to /httpdroot/wiki/w/
[21:31:52] <facefaceface>	mobiGeek, actually that is exactly what I do want (it confuses people to begin with though)
[21:32:06] <mobiGeek>	oh, yes, i see.
[21:32:27] <facefaceface>	mobiGeek,  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[21:32:46] <facefaceface>	the URL is working fine, but CSS isn't being picked up
[21:33:47] <mobiGeek>	can you see your error_log ?  what file is it saying is not found?
[21:37:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Lua extension on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19298  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:38:23] <TehShrike1>	I'm playing around with the Lucene search (on Wikipedia), and I have a problem - I want to use intitle: and prefix: but I can't find a way to use them and then supply other normal search terms.
[21:38:47] <TehShrike1>	Searching for "intitle:trousers pants" produces different results than "pants intitle:trousers"
[21:39:03] <werdna>	Simetrical: probably bang-on there
[21:39:04] <facefaceface>	File does not exist: /httpdroot/www/httpdroot,
[21:39:24] <TehShrike1>	This is an issue for me, because I want to use the InputBox, and supply my own prefix to the search string.
[21:39:33] <Simetrical>	werdna, . . . so you're agreeing that your objections to StringFunctions aren't actually grounded in concern for users, or what?
[21:39:46] <TehShrike1>	Anyone know how to "end" an intitle or prefix search parameter?
[21:39:58] <werdna>	Simetrical: not quite.
[21:40:00] <Simetrical>	TehShrike1, rainman_ does, I'm sure.
[21:40:31] <werdna>	I'm agreeing that my initial gut reaction is because I don't want to encourage an ugly macro-like language with horrible syntax
[21:40:53] <werdna>	the fact that the ugly macro-like language with horrible syntax is obviously bad for users is why I feel that way
[21:41:35] <rainman_>	TehShrike, there is no end of prefix: and intitle can be grouped with parenthesis e.g. (intitle:trousers) pants
[21:41:36] <Simetrical>	Bad for which users, compared to what?
[21:42:00] <Simetrical>	Bad for template editors compared to some theoretical utopia where we can use Lua?  Yeah, probably.
[21:42:01] <rainman_>	TehShrike, the reason why there is no end to prefix is because all kinds of stuff can be in titles although some weird syntax could also be used to end it
[21:42:12] <facefaceface>	This guide assumes that you have installed MediaWiki in /w/ folder relative to your web root as Wikipedia does, and not in /wiki/ folder.
[21:42:15] <Simetrical>	That's not a very good argument against incremental extension for the time being, though.
[21:42:19] <Simetrical>	Perfect is the enemy of good and all.
[21:42:25] <facefaceface>	shouldn't matter that I use /wiki/w should it?
[21:42:55] <facefaceface>	how should I adjust what I have given that its under /wiki/w ?
[21:43:02] <facefaceface>	(w is a symlink)
[21:43:02] <rainman_>	TehShrike, also there is a special syntax if you want multiples stuff for prefix
[21:43:13] <facefaceface>	to the version thatis
[21:43:46] <TehShrike>	rainman_: actually I want to set up a search box that searches for articles that do have a specific prefix, and do not have a (slightly longer) prefix.
[21:44:05] <TehShrike>	rainman_: however, it's so specific, that I think I should be able to use the intitle command with the parenthesis to do what I need
[21:44:55] <rainman_>	ok then, yeah, doing complex stuff with prefixes would be nice, just need to figure out a nice syntax for that
[21:46:22] <TehShrike>	We're setting up to use parent/child pages in our wiki (was thinking of using namespaces for a while), and I want to have a couple custom search bars that will only search for pages with a specific top-level parent.
[21:46:37] <TehShrike>	The forward-slashes being part of the article name should make intitle: work just fine.
[21:46:55] <TehShrike>	Thanks for your help! <3
[21:47:24] <rainman_>	you're welcome
[21:49:02] <facefaceface>	OK, here is the site working as normal (no short URLs, everything as it was after install, one Alias already set (Alias /wiki "/httpdroot/wiki/w)) http://www.bioinformatics.org/wiki/index.php/Wiki_Main_Page
[21:49:18] <facefaceface>	how should I set up short URLs?
[21:50:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search suggestions broken on usability prototype wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19354  (10brion)
[21:52:44] <facefaceface>	it must be a conflict between script path and the alias
[21:52:53] <facefaceface>	using the same name
[21:55:39] <facefaceface>	here it is broken http://www.bioinformatics.org/wiki/ConsInspector
[21:55:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) default action is not to create new thread (no subject) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15092  (10brion)
[21:55:53] <facefaceface>	part of the confusion is that the old wiki is installed under /wiki
[21:55:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Any Date" radio button on LiquidThreads archive pages invisible in Opera 9.5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15137  (10brion)
[21:56:07] <facefaceface>	and the new wiki is under /wiki/w
[21:56:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) deleting Thread:Image:foo.jpg_(1) appears to have also deleted Thread:foo.jpg_(1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15410  (10brion)
[21:56:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Close disc-page for new threads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17114  (10brion)
[21:56:15] <facefaceface>	so it can pick up the old scripts and work fine (ish)
[21:56:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use more core functions in LiquidThreads extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17115  (10brion)
[21:56:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Call to a member function ... on a non-object at different places - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17553  (10brion)
[21:57:32] <facefaceface>	File does not exist: /httpdroot/www/w File does not exist: /httpdroot/www/httpdroot
[21:58:49] <facefaceface>	DocumentRoot /httpdroot/www
[21:59:31] <facefaceface>	I don't understand why it starts looking under /httpdroot/www/w for css
[22:00:51] <facefaceface>	is it because I'm using the alias in the first place?
[22:01:36] <Duesentrieb>	facefaceface: perhaps you set wgScriptPath and/or wgStylePath wrong. and make sure the pathe for actual files and the path for pages are *disjunct*
[22:04:24] <facefaceface>	Duesentrieb, its set up like this: http://pastebin.com/d376aa839
[22:04:57] <Duesentrieb>	faceface: your article path overlaps your script path. bad move.
[22:05:09] <Duesentrieb>	use a sub path for both. like wikipedia does:
[22:05:22] <Duesentrieb>	/w for files, /wiki for pages
[22:05:25] <facefaceface>	sub path?
[22:05:25] <Duesentrieb>	or some such
[22:05:37] <Duesentrieb>	!docroot
[22:05:37] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "docroot".
[22:05:42] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[22:05:50] <Duesentrieb>	@search docroot
[22:05:50] --mwbot--	Results: []
[22:06:07] <facefaceface>	so (although its an edge case) the text should read: # Virtual path. This directory MUST be different from the one used in $wgScriptPath, and should not be contained within scriptpath
[22:06:34] <Duesentrieb>	yes. or vice versa
[22:06:37] <facefaceface>	*added the 'and should not be contained within scriptpath' part*
[22:06:39] <Duesentrieb>	the pathes have to be discjunct
[22:06:42] <RoanKattouw>	!rewriteproblems
[22:06:42] --mwbot--	1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[22:06:42] <facefaceface>	hmm... just my luck ;-)
[22:07:08] <Duesentrieb>	facefaceface: points 3 and 4 are for you :)
[22:07:11] <facefaceface>	4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages;!
[22:07:25] <facefaceface>	heh... the site previously did 3 and I'm doing 4
[22:07:34] <facefaceface>	thanks very much for help - I was about to go bonkers
[22:07:40] <Duesentrieb>	right
[22:07:58] <facefaceface>	lemmy update the wiki
[22:09:38] <facefaceface>	hmmm that page dosn't use mw syntax!
[22:12:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch for OggHandler to output <video> tag directly (for use with js2 script system) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18869  summary; +comment (10brion)
[22:16:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Include at least some EXIF metadata in resized pictures - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18871  normal->low; +comment (10brion)
[22:20:18] <facefaceface>	OK, now I have it like this: http://pastebin.com/d2a318283
[22:20:30] <facefaceface>	which is pretty much as in the documentation for short URLs 
[22:20:37] <facefaceface>	I can't see any difference anyway
[22:20:43] <facefaceface>	but I'm still not seeing CSS
[22:20:53] <facefaceface>	e.g. http://www.bioinformatics.org/wiki/Reannotation
[22:21:52] <facefaceface>	does it matter that the directory /wiki exists in the document root? Its accessed by a virtual host, so our Alias should not go into that dir. 
[22:22:22] <facefaceface>	I just spotted the typo on line 9 of the paste - that is fine in the actual file
[22:22:37] <facefaceface>	http://pastebin.com/d4f50072e
[22:23:07] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52297 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/src/ (16 files in 5 dirs): BuildConceptMappingsTest now green
[22:23:16] <Skizzerz>	faceface: try removing the index.php bit from the Alias
[22:23:49] <Skizzerz>	or wait, that wouldn't do anything
[22:23:57] <Skizzerz>	since the css would be using /w anyway
[22:24:47] <Duesentrieb>	facefaceface: this is your css url: http://www.bioinformatics.org/w/skins/common/shared.css?207
[22:25:06] <facefaceface>	ooooh... now I see the problem
[22:25:33] <facefaceface>	the server is a mess ;-) ... actually I can understand it
[22:25:35] <Duesentrieb>	actually loading the url in a browser often hels to see what's going on :)
[22:26:00] <facefaceface>	there are so many virtual servers that they tidy away the actual 'main' server out of the document root into a subdir
[22:26:19] <facefaceface>	and use the document root as the root of the virtual hosts
[22:26:23] <facefaceface>	lemmy see if I can fix it
[22:27:13] <facefaceface>	btw, does it make a difference if I use '"Alias /wiki/ "/httpdroot/w/index.php/"' over 'Alias /wiki "/httpdroot/w/index.php"' ?
[22:27:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgFileBlacklist should include 'xhtml' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19355 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (wonder)
[22:37:52] <fn][>	hello, I need help removing the default title of every page. Its really ugly and I have a = title = of my own that id like to use
[22:38:16] <facefaceface>	fn][, see the FAQ ;-)
[22:38:36] <facefaceface>	!title
[22:38:36] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "title". You might try: !csshideheader !displaytitle !dpl !rewriteproblems 
[22:38:36] <fn][>	will do. whats a good keyword? title doesnt seem right
[22:38:57] <facefaceface>	!csshideheader
[22:38:57] --mwbot--	To hide the header on the main page, you need to add this CSS to the wiki page [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]: "body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display: none; }". If your main page's title is not "Main Page", you'll need to change it accordingly (look at the class on the <body> tag in the HTML source).
[22:38:58] <fn][>	like on the main page it has "Main page" really big. that sucks
[22:39:21] <facefaceface>	fn][, I quite like it ;-) all this fancy css these days ... I don't know :-)
[22:39:32] <Splarka>	for all pages (rather than one):  h1.firstHeading { display: none; }
[22:39:36] <fn][>	oh crap, I have to do it for every page?
[22:39:42] <fn][>	oh
[22:39:48] <fn][>	thx
[22:40:11] <facefaceface>	Duesentrieb, its working now! ... I have 'Alias "/w/"     "/httpdroot/w/"' and 'Alias "/wiki" "/httpdroot/w/index.php"'
[22:40:37] <Duesentrieb>	congrats :)
[22:40:50] <facefaceface>	Cheers dude
[22:41:39] <facefaceface>	I should have stuck with the "wiki.domain.name" virtual host !
[22:41:40] <facefaceface>	night
[22:42:30] <fn][>	thank you very much mwbot and Splarka 
[22:45:07] <fn][>	some pros in here
[22:46:16] <Simetrical>	mwbot is a bot, by the way, in case you didn't notice.
[22:46:41] <CIA-58>	03brion * r52298 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix_body.php: 
[22:46:41] <CIA-58>	* (bug 18878) Include UI-lang names of foreign languages in SiteMatrix if CLDR LanguageNames extension is present.
[22:46:41] <CIA-58>	In a 'title' tooltip for table UI, in 'localname' attributes for raw and API output modes.
[22:46:42] <Splarka>	Simetrical: when they get AI, the ones who were retroactively polite will get preferential treatment
[22:47:09] <Splarka>	conversely, if it is a Skynet sort of AI revolution, they will be spared the mass extermination
[22:47:33] <Splarka>	and if it is a Matrixy type revolution, they'll get quick painless deaths first
[22:47:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Addition of the local language name for other languages in action=sitematrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18878  +comment (10brion)
[22:48:32] *brion 	isn't worried about skynet... the iphones will just kill us all in our sleep one night.
[22:49:17] <Simetrical>	That's why it's essential to quarantine yourself in your house with only open-source software, and preferably hardware.
[22:49:18] <Platonides>	brion, not until they learn how to automatically recharge themselves
[22:49:37] *brion 	points to the Matrix
[22:49:39] <Simetrical>	. . . Which they could always invisibly take over by infecting everyone's C compilers, of course.
[22:50:19] <Splarka>	they just need a piezo wafer to tricke charge heat differential in the human hand
[22:50:50] <Platonides>	there have been viric compilers
[22:51:03] *Splarka 	wonders why he can't make any syntaxic sense this morning
[22:51:14] *Splarka 	starts over
[22:51:33] <Splarka>	they just need a peltier wafer to charge themselves, using the head differential between human body parts and open air
[22:51:43] <Splarka>	^heat, arr, I should eat something
[22:53:18] <Platonides>	they'd still need a human body... alive
[22:53:41] <Simetrical>	Thus the point of the Matrix.
[22:53:59] <Simetrical>	Of course, that added the detail that the Sun was totally blocked out, so how they kept the humans alive is anyone's guess.
[22:54:33] <Simetrical>	Apparently nobody ever told the robots that just burning the humans and their food as biomass is pretty much guaranteed to produce more energy than trying to leech off their body heat.
[22:54:36] <Splarka>	minimal entropy closed system? also you can get above the cloud layer, so maybe they sent solar-panel balloons up periodically
[22:54:51] <Simetrical>	It's always good when the robot rebellion is scientifically incompetent.
[22:55:14] <Simetrical>	Splarka, you're never going to get more energy by feeding a human and using body heat than by just burning the food.
[22:55:41] <Splarka>	Simetrical: what did Morpheus compare humans to? A battery
[22:55:58] <Splarka>	take them as an energy storage device rather than energy generator, then it can make some stupid sense
[22:56:26] <Simetrical>	Really cheaper per unit storage than lithium-ion?
[22:56:45] <Splarka>	biodegradable
[22:56:52] <OverlordQ>	but they can't offload processing tasks to lithium-ion batteries :P
[22:57:07] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: an interesting alternate interpretation of course
[22:57:14] <Simetrical>	Did they use humans for processing?
[22:57:23] <Splarka>	that is the way they should have gone, that the human brains were the processors, not the power
[22:57:26] <Simetrical>	I got the impression they wasted processing power on maintaining the Matrix, to the contrary.
[22:57:57] <Simetrical>	I say they should have gone with the mystic psychic energy route.
[22:57:59] <Simetrical>	Hard to fault that.
[22:58:02] <Splarka>	(one should read the Hyperion series by Dan Simmons to see more on that)
[22:58:11] <Splarka>	Simetrical: anime!
[22:58:49] <Splarka>	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LifeEnergy
[23:01:51] <Simetrical>	TV Tropes would be way more fun if it could magically filter out all the games/series I've never heard of and don't care about from the examples.
[23:02:25] <OverlordQ>	makes me wanna go watch some robots fight
[23:02:46] <Splarka>	Simetrical: agreed, should be a "shows I have seen" pref system, heh
[23:03:36] <Simetrical>	"Also, being overclocked causes a system to work at increased efficiency and then stop dead — in real life, an overclocked computer will run faster, but has an increased chance of making (typically small) mathematical errors."  That's not true, overclocked systems are unstable and can crash.
[23:03:43] *Simetrical 	isn't sure whether he dares edit
[23:05:21] <Simetrical>	Man, there are a bunch of errors in the "Real Life" section of ExplosiveOverclocking.
[23:05:24] *Simetrical 	leaves the tab open for later.
[23:09:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't upload image after upgrading to 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19329  (10taner)
[23:15:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give transcludable Special:NewPages length options like Special:Wantedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18941  normal->low; summary (10brion)
[23:19:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) usability.wikimedia.org is not sending IRC messages on changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18992  +comment (10brion)
[23:24:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Internet Explorer 8 will not open wiki searches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19356 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (rottek999)
[23:26:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Searching for <number>:<number> leads to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19003  +comment (10brion)
[23:27:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Searching for <number>:<number> leads to Special:Contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19003   +bugday +easy (10brion)
[23:29:54] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) usability.wikimedia.org is not sending IRC messages on changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18992  +comment (10fvassard)
[23:35:24] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Consider using CDATA for RSS/Atom feeds or type="xhtml" for Atom feeds instead of escaping special characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17566  +comment (10brion)
[23:36:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) usability.wikimedia.org is not sending IRC messages on changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18992  +comment (10fvassard)
[23:37:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Render new wiki pages to HTML in RSS Recent Changes feed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19011  summary; +comment (10brion)
[23:38:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable variant ShortURLs for Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19019  (10brion)
[23:40:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) convertUserOptions.php unnecessarily copies empty fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19050  (10brion)
[23:42:11] <buzz_>	which file in mediawiki has the random page code in it ?
[23:42:32] <buzz_>	it had a nice description of why its a good random blah blah and i wanted to point a friend to it
[23:42:42] <Betacommand>	specialrandom.php?
[23:43:27] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) userOptions.php is unable to access some options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19051  +comment (10brion)
[23:44:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SUL on usability.wikimedia.org for migrated users doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19054  +comment (10brion)
[23:44:59] <Splarka>	brion: yes, lazy regex, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/256.256.256.256
[23:45:22] <Splarka>	perhaps something checking isIP() (or whatever) instead
[23:45:28] <buzz_>	Betacommand, thanks
[23:47:11] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) prototype.wikimedia.org should support SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19059  +comment (10brion)
[23:47:56] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) English Wikinews as an external file repository for Serbian Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19061  +comment (10brion)
[23:49:24] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Automatically enable nofollow for non-existing links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19065  +comment (10brion)
[23:49:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mark redlinks with rel="nofollow" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6545  +comment (10brion)
[23:58:35] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Allow ZIP CAPAB on irc.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14652  +comment (10Platonides)