[00:00:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sister project search results should show localized project name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19072  +comment (10brion)
[00:01:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add support for using graphicsmagick instead of imagemagick for thumbnailing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19073  +comment (10brion)
[00:06:58] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) New custom field 'Web browser' is not in Advanced search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19076  +comment (10brion)
[00:10:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List redirects option has no effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19075  +comment (10brion)
[00:11:10] <buzz_>	brion, yeh that thumbnailing stuff is quite messy
[00:11:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New custom field 'Web browser' is not in Advanced search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19076  +comment (10Platonides)
[00:12:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New custom field 'Web browser' is not in Advanced search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19076  (10brion)
[00:14:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New custom field 'Web browser' is not in Advanced search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19076  (10Platonides)
[00:15:12] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Internet Explorer 8 will not open wiki searches - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19356  +comment (10brion)
[00:15:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Opening a Wikipedia article results in attempt to download gzipped version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7098  +comment (10brion)
[00:17:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTTP (gzip) compression not enabled on wikipedia.org front page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15944   +shell; +comment (10brion)
[00:19:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set global variables for Sakha (sah) Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19111  (10brion)
[00:20:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDF rendering does not support <br> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19318  summary (10meno25wiki)
[00:21:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add namespace alias "WB" for namespace 4 ("Wikibooks") on it.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19116  (10brion)
[00:21:08] <Platonides>	brion, another similar simple gzip related issue: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19310
[00:21:44] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) The page width is very wide on ie7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19121  +comment (10brion)
[00:21:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unexpected whitespace on the wikipedia.org portal in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19079  +comment (10brion)
[00:21:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Site configuration should be sent compressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19310   +shell (10Platonides)
[00:25:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable dng uploads on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19153  (10brion)
[00:29:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Auto account creation creates privacy vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19161  +comment (10brion)
[00:31:57] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) rel="license" on link should replace copyright meta tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19162  +comment (10brion)
[00:32:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Auto account creation creates privacy vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19161  (10Platonides)
[00:32:53] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Pick a single head tag for the Universal Edit Button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19165  +comment (10brion)
[00:33:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create new namespace on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19357 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (meno25wiki)
[00:33:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Auto account creation creates privacy vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19161  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[00:36:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Auto account creation creates privacy vulnerability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19161  (10brion)
[00:37:26] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: burned
[00:38:22] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: if he won't remove head tags, maybe a good sign he'll /add/ head tags, like IE7 compat ^_^
[00:39:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rel="license" on link should replace copyright meta tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19162  +comment (10Platonides)
[00:40:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rel="license" on link should replace copyright meta tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19162  (10greenreaper)
[00:41:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Rename "Wikibugs" Component - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19174  (10brion)
[00:41:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable dng uploads on Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19153  +comment (10dc)
[00:41:52] *GreenReaper 	is confused as to why it is being forward-compatible with something that was just made up. <g>
[00:42:07] <GreenReaper>	and both of them are supported by a single plugin for a single browser.
[00:50:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XHTML parse error when using some math formulas - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19177  +comment (10brion)
[00:52:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Language Selector language detection does not work for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19180  (10brion)
[00:52:35] <Mike_lifeguard>	holy god he's on a roll
[00:54:42] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Check for empty section before printing title, else visible in text browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19185  +comment (10brion)
[00:57:33] <Splarka>	brion: for your own sanity... put the flyswatter down and back away slowly... it isn't worth it..
[01:01:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) disambiguationspage should ship with [[ ]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19183  +comment (10brion)
[01:03:50] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Special:NewPages needs constant width date, else columns won't line up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19187  +comment (10brion)
[01:05:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) noc.wikimedia.org portal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19191  +comment (10brion)
[01:08:07] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Group "web browser" with "platform"/"OS" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19189  +comment (10brion)
[01:08:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Zend Optimizer and remove Turck MMCache from object caching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19193  +comment (10brion)
[01:18:28] <CIA-58>	03brion * r52299 10/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/main.css: * bug 19219: fix style regression caused by mistaken cleanup in r51081
[01:18:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Extra whitespace at top of page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19219  +comment (10brion)
[01:21:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extra whitespace at top of page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19219  (10brion)
[01:28:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) English Wikipedia dump has a wrong size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19242  +comment (10brion)
[01:29:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a script to create all irc channels quickly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19244  +comment (10brion)
[01:31:32] *Annemarie 	hugs brion. Nice bug work. :-)
[01:34:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create new namespace on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19357  (10N/A)
[01:37:13] <CIA-58>	03brion * r52300 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:37:13] <CIA-58>	Reverting r51209 -- change to German number formatting per bug 18957.
[01:37:13] <CIA-58>	Apparently there is wild disagreement on what the proper formatting is; since no one complained in the previous 8 years I'm returning it to the status quo.
[01:38:00] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957  +comment (10brion)
[01:41:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Do not strip off addition in parenthesis in signature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19261  +comment (10brion)
[01:44:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable AbuseFilter on Lithuanian Wikipedia. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19274  (10brion)
[01:44:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add time elapsed next to last modified timestamp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19276  (10brion)
[01:46:19] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Lag on history page in Firefox 3.5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19287  +comment (10brion)
[01:46:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) history.js blocks gecko browser with 100% CPU when rendering long history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17240  (10brion)
[01:46:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) history.js blocks gecko browser (firefox 3.5) with 100% CPU when rendering long history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17240  summary (10brion)
[01:48:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a script to create all irc channels quickly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19244  (10mike.lifeguard)
[01:48:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PDF generator license terms should reflect dual license - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19280  +comment (10brion)
[01:49:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Automatic nbsp is inserted even into XHTML attributes, including style - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3158  +comment (10brion)
[01:49:16] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) French spacing matches where it shouldn't - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19290  +comment (10brion)
[01:50:03] <Annemarie>	Haha. Tim got duped.
[01:50:08] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Enable Lua extension on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19298  +comment (10brion)
[01:50:10] <Annemarie>	Old bug. Who knew.
[01:50:15] <brion>	that was just tim reporting someone's irc complaint :)
[01:50:22] *Annemarie 	hides.
[01:50:43] <Annemarie>	Silly users not finding obscure markup goofiness bugs.
[01:51:33] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) DNS problem or Proxy configuration missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19297  +comment (10brion)
[01:52:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) prefs.js produce javascript error for anon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19307  +comment (10brion)
[01:52:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a script to create all irc channels quickly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19244  +comment (10Platonides)
[01:52:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Site configuration should be sent compressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19310  (10brion)
[01:53:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable LocalisationUpdate extension on Incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19312  +comment (10brion)
[01:54:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) set $wgLogo for fywikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19328  (10brion)
[01:56:53] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Inconsistent number of <item>s in feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19330  +comment (10brion)
[01:57:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Two "Other" options for time zone settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19321  (10brion)
[01:58:53] <brion>	blaaah ok i'm getting out of here
[01:59:12] <Annemarie>	Heh.
[02:04:01] <CIA-58>	03skizzerz * r52301 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: * Revert r52201, but modify the shortcut code so that it properly detects "public" wikis
[02:05:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Automatic hyphens to (localized?) dashes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1485  +comment (10jidanni)
[02:10:21] <fn][>	how does wikipedia do the little [1] to link to the source?
[02:12:48] <chuck>	fn][: click on the edit link and look
[02:13:07] <GreenReaper>	It uses the Cite extension, if that's what you're looking for.
[02:13:13] <fn][>	cite!
[02:13:16] <GreenReaper>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php
[02:14:39] <fn][>	I think ill just do it manually with a big [1]
[02:15:32] <GreenReaper>	Probably best if you just need a few.
[02:15:33] <chuck>	you could make a simple template that uses <small> to achieve a similar effect
[02:15:49] <chuck>	you'd probably want to use the plainlinks class to remove that ugly external link image
[02:15:51] <GreenReaper>	If you want the full features of cite, though, it is useful.
[02:15:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creation of "autopatroller" usergroup on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19309  (10cenarium.sysop)
[02:16:04] <chuck>	or, <sup> i mean
[02:27:24] <Splarka>	fn][: if you omit the text part of [link text] then external links are automatically numbered 1,2,3,4 etc
[02:28:08] <Splarka>	[http://google.com] [http://google.com/foo] [http://google.com/bar]  -> <a href="http://google.com" class="external autonumber" title="http://google.com" rel="nofollow">[1]</a> <a href="http://google.com/foo" class="external autonumber" title="http://google.com/foo" rel="nofollow">[2]</a> <a href="http://google.com/bar" class="external autonumber" title="http://google.com/bar" rel="nofollow">[3]</a>
[02:28:09] <fn][>	oh, thanks. you guys are amazing
[02:28:58] <Splarka>	try for example: foo<sup>[http://google.com]</sup>bar
[02:29:02] <Splarka>	not idea, but close
[02:32:35] <fn][>	the single quote worked great. rock on
[02:32:45] <fn][>	single [] I mean
[02:32:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add time elapsed next to last modified timestamp, or js variable (wgCurRevisionTimestamp) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19276  summary; +comment (10herd)
[02:46:31] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Create new namespace on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19357  (10meno25wiki)
[02:48:28] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) English Wikipedia dump has a wrong size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19242  +comment (10tfinc)
[03:25:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable LocalisationUpdate extension on Incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19312  +comment (10tstarling)
[03:28:22] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) new history compression class - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2310  (10tstarling)
[03:28:37] <Annemarie>	Wheee for bug resolving. :-)
[03:29:12] <chuck>	Annemarie: it's even more fun when you don't have to do anything (WONTFIX :P)
[03:29:37] <Annemarie>	Heh.
[03:31:22] <Tim-away>	it's WONTFIX because I wrote the same feature independently
[03:32:21] <Annemarie>	It seemed like a perfectly valid WONTFIX.
[03:32:41] <Splarka>	...so you DUP'd up? seems like bug 2310 predates your project? heh
[03:34:16] <TimStarling>	yes
[03:35:21] <Annemarie>	You're not going to morally justify duping up to the channel?
[03:36:07] <TimStarling>	I was going to, but then I had another look at the bug and I'm not sure how similar it really is to my code
[03:36:21] <TimStarling>	mine is still better though
[03:41:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Tables not existing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19358 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (balbinder.flora)
[03:42:29] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52302 10/branches/maintenance-work/maintenance/ (10 files): 
[03:42:29] <CIA-58>	* Port checkBadRedirects, fetchText, getLagTimes, mctest, populateParentId, rebuildFileCache, removeUnusedAccounts
[03:42:29] <CIA-58>	* Use accessor in createAndPromote
[03:43:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade to the latest version of GeSHi (1.0.8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10967  (10tstarling)
[03:54:12] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Sister project search results should show localized project name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19072  +comment (10rainman)
[03:58:32] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Wrong Bold-Text with Newlines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18607  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:09:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Decryption vs. passcode problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18973  normal->15enhancement; +comment (10tstarling)
[04:14:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ensure that RenameUser accounts for log_user_text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19359 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Renameuser; (public)
[04:16:10] <Annemarie>	Special:Code's parser is broken: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/51997#c3001
[04:25:47] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Some template conjunctions is not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13224  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:29:53] <fn][>	I just totally made my background fubar. I replaced the headbg.jpg with one I made and its not showing up. hmm
[04:32:02] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Lag on history page in Firefox 3.5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19287  +comment (10rockmfr)
[04:35:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CodeReview comment formatting overly aggressive with link replacement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18614  +comment (10public)
[04:37:02] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  +comment (10rainman)
[05:01:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable variant ShortURLs for Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19019  (10PhiLiP.NPC)
[05:05:16] <Annemarie>	Lua got LATERED. :-(
[05:12:32] <Splarka>	Annemarie: quick, mention "Usability" and "why do you hate templates?"
[05:13:05] <Annemarie>	I wonder what vvv is working on.
[05:13:15] <Annemarie>	I saw screenshots of a script language, not sure what it is, though.
[05:13:37] <Annemarie>	Looked cool, but also seemed easy to break things with.
[05:14:05] <TimStarling>	"Like everything else wrong with the internet, the cornerstones of Opera Unite application development are Javascript and XML."
[05:14:49] <TimStarling>	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/22/dziuba_opera_unite/
[05:15:27] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957  +comment (10brion)
[05:15:39] <Annemarie>	The Register seems to accept anyone and anything for their publication.
[05:17:13] <TimStarling>	that guy has a biweekly column
[05:18:14] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: yes, it's a tabloid
[05:18:27] <TimStarling>	if you read the register you've got to expect opinion
[05:18:37] <TimStarling>	if I wanted dry boring facts I'd read wikipedia
[05:19:17] <Annemarie>	s/wikipedia/the newspaper or something/ Wikipedia can be a fact-free zone.
[05:19:55] <TimStarling>	that said, Cade Metz did an article on wikipedia setting up in evoswitch that managed to get through the whole thing without a single nasty joke about Jimmy's sex life
[05:20:27] <TimStarling>	so maybe they can do facts when it suits them
[05:23:08] <Splarka>	oookay, hang on a minute, wikibugs...
[05:23:18] <Splarka>	<wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957 +comment (10brion)
[05:23:29] <Splarka>	that appears to show brion reopening the bug, yes?
[05:23:34] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_activity.cgi?id=18957
[05:28:10] *Splarka 	leaves werdna a [wtfbbq] here for later
[05:45:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  (10shinjiman)
[05:56:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Granularize RevisionDelete (RevDelete) user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19199  +comment (10risker.wp)
[05:56:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New custom field 'Web browser' is not in Advanced search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19076  (10siebrand)
[06:00:11] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r52303 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesZh_hans.php MessagesZh_hant.php): 
[06:00:11] <CIA-58>	Localisation updates Chinese
[06:00:11] <CIA-58>	reverting per bug 18403 comment 1
[06:04:17] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Must differentiate 'specialpage(s)' in all languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18403  +comment (10shinjiman)
[06:07:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Must differentiate 'specialpage(s)' in all languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18403  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:14:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Do not strip off addition in parenthesis in signature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19261  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:15:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Decryption vs. passcode problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18973  (10rohde)
[06:18:20] <Nikerabbit>	why did brion leave this open: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19183
[06:18:20] <Nikerabbit>	now it just sits there with nobody having an idea whether something should be done or not :o
[06:22:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Language Selector language detection does not work for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19180  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:23:18] <Annemarie>	Doesn't wikipedia.org have a language selector?
[06:23:23] <Annemarie>	That's what I thought of first.
[06:23:32] <Annemarie>	Probably not that, though.
[06:41:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sister project search results should show localized project name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19072  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:42:42] <[Ab]>	Hi, I've got a question (I hope this is the right place to ask).  I checked the FAQ and couldn't find anything.  Is there a way of adding multiple articles to a category at the same time, as opposed to individually editing every article?
[06:44:10] <Nikerabbit>	no, without a bot or something
[06:44:24] <[Ab]>	ahh alright
[06:44:55] <[Ab]>	Then the tedium continues :)
[06:45:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List redirects option has no effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19075  (10gtisza)
[06:52:20] <BlackWolf>	where and how do I get Extensions to my MediaWiki? the page of Extensions is pretty empty of "download" possibilities. I would like to have Template, Infobox Person etc on my own wiki so I can make better looking wiki pages...
[06:53:25] <Annemarie>	!matrix
[06:53:25] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[06:53:30] <Annemarie>	BlackWolf: ^
[06:53:39] <Annemarie>	Bit outdated, but the major extensions should be listed.
[06:54:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tables not existing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19358  (10markus)
[06:55:37] <BlackWolf>	thx AnneMarie :)
[07:20:24] <werdna>	05:28  * Splarka leaves werdna a [wtfbbq] here for later
[07:20:24] <werdna>	thx
[07:23:40] <Splarka>	<3
[07:26:22] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[07:26:27] <Nikerabbit>	hi werdna and Splarkie
[07:27:43] <Splarka>	rar
[07:33:37] <charitwo>	!rar | werdna Nikerabbit Splarka 
[07:33:37] --mwbot--	werdna Nikerabbit Splarka: rar
[07:33:55] <werdna>	...
[07:34:17] <charitwo>	cat got your tongue ?
[07:37:57] <BlackWolf>	how do I ungrant others permission from creating an account and edit my pages?
[07:40:14] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Decryption vs. passcode problem - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18973  +comment (10tstarling)
[07:47:59] <werdna>	!access | BlackWolf 
[07:47:59] --mwbot--	BlackWolf: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[07:48:44] <werdna>	"You can't file a bug report against an email I sent. You could perhaps click
[07:48:44] <werdna>	the reply button in your email client.
[07:48:46] <werdna>	hahaha
[08:00:55] <BlackWolf>	where to find hCard download for MediaWiki?
[08:08:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search suggest broken for an exist article on de.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17909   +shell; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:27:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  (10rainman)
[08:36:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sister project search results should show localized project name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19072  (10rainman)
[08:38:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ajax search suggestion: TitleKey index broken on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19360 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (raimond.spekking)
[08:43:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ajax search suggestion: TitleKey index broken on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19360  +comment (10agarrett)
[08:46:23] <Raymond_>	werdna: thanks for the hint. I didn't know that lucene suggestion replaced the titleKey extension
[08:56:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Granularize RevisionDelete (RevDelete) user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19199  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[08:57:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable LocalisationUpdate extension on Incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19312  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[08:59:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Language Selector language detection does not work for Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19180  (10floeff)
[09:00:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  (10shinjiman)
[09:06:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search suggestions broken on usability prototype wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19354  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:11:27] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Ajax search suggestion: TitleKey index broken on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19360  +comment (10rainman)
[09:13:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Granularize RevisionDelete (RevDelete) user rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19199  (10FT2.wiki)
[09:18:19] <aTr>	hello
[09:18:31] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[09:19:34] <aTr>	i've installed mediawiki, and i configured mediawiki to use short urls in lighttpd. everything works fine, but when I try to edit any page, the whole page is empty
[09:22:34] <Nikerabbit>	aTr: how short?
[09:23:49] <aTr>	like wiki.example.com/Page_title instead of the long index.php?title=Page_Title
[09:25:01] <Duesentrieb>	that'S a bit too short, in general
[09:25:06] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems | aTr
[09:25:06] --mwbot--	aTr: 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[09:25:30] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: can you give a lesson... I'm too fuzzy right now to stay polite :o
[09:25:42] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[09:25:55] <Nikerabbit>	-> shower
[09:26:04] <aTr>	problem is, that lighttpd doesn't supports .htaccess
[09:26:08] <Duesentrieb>	i'm a bit busy, but mwbot does most of the work
[09:26:27] <Duesentrieb>	aTr: well, it supports rewrites in some way, right?
[09:26:36] <aTr>	yes it does
[09:26:46] <Duesentrieb>	aTr: all you need htaccess for the the rewrites. the important part is that you use SEPARATE PATHES for files and pages
[09:26:57] <Duesentrieb>	they must not overlap.
[09:27:47] <aTr>	mediawiki to be installed into /var/www/w and the redirection would be /var/www/wiki, right?
[09:29:06] <Nikerabbit>	it's not hard with lighttpd either
[09:29:06] <Nikerabbit>	url.rewrite-once = ( "^/$" => "/w/index.php", "^/wiki/([^?]*)(?:\?(.*))?" => "/w/index.php?title=$1&$2"
[09:29:42] <Nikerabbit>	altough that exact ruleset leaves broken /wiki (cf. /wiki/)
[09:32:23] <aTr>	(configfile.c.487) source: /etc/lighttpd/wiki.conf line: 13 pos: 17 use => for assignments in arrays
[09:33:19] <aTr>	i'm using Nikerabbit's snippet
[09:34:08] <Duesentrieb>	aTr: i don't know lighttpd, so i can't help you with the syntax
[09:34:17] <Duesentrieb>	but yes, the idea is to rewrite /wiki
[09:34:22] <domas>	use 404 handler
[09:34:25] <domas>	with lighttpd
[09:34:27] <domas>	much easier :)
[09:34:40] <aTr>	you mean server.error-handler-404 = "/e404.php"?
[09:35:13] <aTr>	Duesentrieb, also that wiki folder is virtual, so there should be a real one existing on it
[09:35:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Parser function giving the current special page name and parameteres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19361 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[09:35:36] <Duesentrieb>	aTr: there should be no real /wiki folder
[09:48:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PDF rendering does not support <br> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19318  +comment (10volker.haas)
[09:53:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function giving the current special page name and parameteres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19361  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:54:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interface "variant" overruling "language" preference [bug in StubUserLang::_newObject()] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837  (10shinjiman)
[09:55:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tables not existing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19358  +comment (10balbinder.flora)
[09:57:34] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) "Review this revision" is shown in a diff with different pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19327  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:58:53] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52304 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Skip form on implicit title diffs (bug 19327)
[09:59:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Review this revision" is shown in a diff with different pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19327  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[10:02:47] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957  +comment (10brion)
[10:03:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Zend Optimizer and remove Turck MMCache from object caching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19193  (10gothicx)
[10:05:48] <Raymond_>	wikibugs, you are lying!! the latest change in bug 18957 was not by brion but a comment by STBR
[10:07:01] <Splarka>	Raymond_: deja vu
[10:07:28] <Splarka>	zack same thing happened earlier, same bug, same comment, same user
[10:07:34] <Splarka>	werdna: wtfbbq2
[10:08:39] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957  +comment (10brion)
[10:14:41] <Nikerabbit>	argh
[10:14:44] <Nikerabbit>	stop commenting...
[10:14:53] <Splarka>	brion really loves that bug...
[10:16:41] <Splarka>	the odd thing is, it is locked on the name and the resolution from different activity
[10:17:29] <Nikerabbit>	yeah
[10:17:34] <Nikerabbit>	and brion
[10:22:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957  (10brion)
[10:23:02] <Raymond_>	yeah. the war continues...
[10:23:28] <Splarka>	at least that wasn't (REOPENED)
[10:23:57] <aTr>	why do I get Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 24 bytes) in /home/admin_atr/www/wiki/w/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 188 ?
[10:24:43] <Nikerabbit>	I'm not brion :<
[10:24:54] <Nikerabbit>	20 971 520
[10:25:00] <Nikerabbit>	that's 20M, too little
[10:25:18] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: do you agree with my decision?
[10:25:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957  (10brion)
[10:25:27] <aTr>	where can I change the memory limit? in php.ini?
[10:25:29] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: yes
[10:25:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) formatnum works wrong in german - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18957  (10brion)
[10:25:49] <werdna>	that's me adding myself to CC
[10:26:25] <Nikerabbit>	heh
[10:26:29] <Nikerabbit>	Bugzilla has suffered an internal error. Please save this page and send it to brion@wikimedia.org with details of what you were doing at the time this message appeared.
[10:27:06] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: I followed this bug in my holidays a bit. I was thinking about a revert too but Brion was faster.... and he has more authority ;-)
[10:27:08] <Nikerabbit>	There was an error sending mail from 'FILTERED' to 'FILTERED':Can't send data 
[10:27:47] <werdna>	yeah, I saw that.
[10:28:07] <Nikerabbit>	and nice HASH(somehexhere) in the title
[10:31:14] <p858snake>	so why does wikibugs even scrape from a email account, why not have it send directly to the irc channel
[10:32:32] <Duesentrieb>	p858snake: because cgi scripts are not persistent. it would have to reconnect to irc on every request.
[10:32:38] <Duesentrieb>	that's one reason, anyway
[10:32:44] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[10:32:48] <Nikerabbit>	send what?
[10:33:10] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: modification messages?
[10:33:17] <aTr>	Nikerabbit, memory_limit = 32M is enough?
[10:33:36] <Nikerabbit>	aTr: might be, something like 60M should be safe
[10:33:47] <aTr>	64M would do the trick
[10:33:54] <Duesentrieb>	aTr: try Special:Allmessages, it takes a lot of ram. if that works, most things will
[10:35:10] <aTr>	now the question is: if i change the memory_limit in php.ini in the cgi folder, restarting lighttpd will take effect for php?
[10:36:09] <aTr>	because for me it doesn't works that way
[10:36:12] <Nikerabbit>	depends on how your php is configured
[10:36:17] <aTr>	it still shows up as Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted
[10:36:25] <aTr>	even if its changed in the ini
[10:37:20] <Nikerabbit>	you might need to restart php5-cgi
[10:38:47] <aTr>	hmmm
[10:38:53] <aTr>	lstree shows as |-lighttpd---2*[php-cgi---4*[php-cgi]]
[10:39:04] <aTr>	so it's a child process of lighttpd
[10:39:13] <aTr>	it should take effect if i restart lighttpd
[10:39:15] <aTr>	but it doesnt
[10:40:39] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52305 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: removed wrong comment
[10:44:41] <Duesentrieb>	aTr: maybe you are editing the wrong php.ini? there may be several
[10:44:49] <Duesentrieb>	typically, at least one for cgi and one for cli
[10:44:57] <aTr>	there are two: cgi and cli
[10:45:04] <aTr>	i edited both
[10:45:11] <Duesentrieb>	hm...
[10:45:26] <aTr>	strangely, cgi was set to 16MB as default
[10:45:29] <Duesentrieb>	call phpinfo() and see what it says about the memory limit - and what it sais where it loads the config from
[10:45:42] <aTr>	and the error said that the limit was 20MB
[10:46:09] <Duesentrieb>	i think mediawiki also tries to up the limit on its own... dunno
[10:46:43] <aTr>	ok this is wierd, phpinfo says it's 64MB
[10:46:59] <aTr>	and i still get the error: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 22229 bytes) in /home/admin_atr/www/wiki/w/includes/specials/SpecialAllmessages.php on line 226
[10:47:07] <Duesentrieb>	aTr: look in your LocalSettings.php
[10:47:19] <Duesentrieb>	aTr: you may have a setinit in there
[10:47:52] <aTr>	ini_set( 'memory_limit', '20M' );
[10:47:53] <aTr>	found it
[10:47:57] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[10:48:13] <Duesentrieb>	actually, this is intended to *increase* the limit. perhaps i should check first.
[10:48:31] <Duesentrieb>	but it's nasty to compare, the numbers may have K, M or G appended..
[10:48:55] <aTr>	who would've thought that all these causes were from mediawiki?
[10:49:15] <aTr>	Special:AllMessages loaded
[10:49:20] <aTr>	32MB is quite enough
[10:49:37] <Duesentrieb>	congrats :)
[10:49:59] <aTr>	thanks for your time and help Duesentrieb and Nikerabbit :)
[10:51:57] <aTr>	sometimes when I load a page, it shows an blank page
[10:56:29] <Duesentrieb>	!blankpage
[10:56:29] --mwbot--	A blank page usually indicates a fatal PHP error. See !error
[10:56:43] <aTr>	!error
[10:56:43] --mwbot--	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[10:56:52] <aTr>	:D
[11:00:54] <Usama>	hello, I want to know what is the size limit for importing file exported by speical:export?
[11:01:17] <werdna>	post_max_size, I suppose
[11:01:32] <werdna>	and I guess it would be limited by max_execution_time
[11:02:20] <aTr>	any way to register an account without the first letter to be capital?
[11:02:53] <vvv>	No
[11:02:57] <aTr>	and turning off case sensitive can't be done afaik (because it's running on linux)
[11:03:09] <LauraHale>	I thought there was a plugin?
[11:03:13] <LauraHale>	Er.
[11:03:24] <LauraHale>	Extension that allowed TOTAL CASE SENSITIVE to be done.
[11:03:28] <werdna>	that doesn't make a difference, but account-names are assumed to be ucfirst'd all through the software
[11:03:43] <werdna>	LauraHale: maybe, but it probably breaks shit :P
[11:03:54] <LauraHale>	Lots of shit, yes.
[11:04:03] <LauraHale>	Would the display name be visible as lower case if you use the one template?
[11:04:11] <LauraHale>	That makes it display as lower case?
[11:04:31] <LauraHale>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lowercase
[11:04:42] <werdna>	you mean the {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} parser function
[11:04:43] <werdna>	?
[11:05:23] <LauraHale>	Er.  See above?  I don't know how that template works.
[11:05:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XHTML parse error when using some math formulas - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19177  (10almacha)
[11:05:53] <aTr>	you add that {{lowercase title}} tag on the first line on the article you edit
[11:05:55] <aTr>	i think
[11:06:17] <LauraHale>	You need to C&P the template from Wikipedia first.
[11:08:26] <aTr>	so it's not possible for usernames?
[11:08:39] <aTr>	to register a username with lowercase characters
[11:10:08] <LauraHale>	No, you cannot register with lower case.
[11:10:20] <LauraHale>	You can make it display as lower case if you use a template.
[11:12:39] <aTr>	well that wouldn't be bad, but it could also show as lowercase on history (23:38, 2 August 2008 testuser) and on User:testuser?
[11:13:24] <LauraHale>	I've never used it on a user name so I don't know.  I assume it would not appear that way.
[11:13:47] <aTr>	I see
[11:13:59] <aTr>	and changing the username in the database would also fail
[11:14:06] <aTr>	you can't login then
[11:14:41] <LauraHale>	Yep.
[11:21:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  (10JSchulz_4587)
[11:23:11] <werdna>	Why do you want it to display lowercase anyway?
[11:23:19] <werdna>	do you really care that much? :/
[11:25:15] <TimStarling>	<LauraHale> Extension that allowed TOTAL CASE SENSITIVE to be done.
[11:25:29] <TimStarling>	I think that's a core configuration variable, not an extension
[11:25:42] <TimStarling>	unless it's a one-line extension that does nothing but sets the configuration variable
[11:27:02] <LauraHale>	That might be it.
[11:27:08] <LauraHale>	Maybe it was in local settings?
[11:27:14] *LauraHale 	can't find it on the matrix.
[11:27:22] <TimStarling>	wgCapitalLinks
[11:27:28] <LauraHale>	All the advice I've read though is do not use that if you can help it...
[11:27:56] <TimStarling>	all the wiktionaries use it
[11:28:07] <LauraHale>	Because then you have to be concerned about every link. [[fight spam]] is not the same as [[Fight spam]].  Can be a barier for editing.
[11:28:10] *LauraHale 	nod nods.
[11:28:31] <Splarka>	LauraHale: don't enable it later in a wiki's life, is the general advice
[11:28:32] <LauraHale>	That makes a bit of sense when dealing with words where capitalization makes a big difference.
[11:28:40] <LauraHale>	For one user name?
[11:28:44] *LauraHale 	shrugs
[11:28:44] <Splarka>	if it is set that way from the beginning, people will know what to do
[11:28:50] <LauraHale>	True.
[11:29:19] <Splarka>	as for one username... prefix some naughty unicode
[11:29:47] <TimStarling>	also there are some conlangs which need $wgCapitalLinks=false
[11:29:53] <Splarka>	%C2%AD or maybe a lowercase representation of a letter
[11:29:57] <TimStarling>	where capital letters don't have the same meaning as in english
[11:30:06] <TimStarling>	like klingon and toki pona and AOL
[11:30:37] <TimStarling>	maybe aTr only knows AOL
[11:30:54] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/%C2%ADw
[11:31:20] <aTr>	werdna, I do care about the aTr username :)
[11:31:28] <aTr>	Atr looks ugly imo
[11:31:47] <aTr>	TimStarling, AOL?
[11:32:03] <Splarka>	if Steve Irwin were alive he'd be all...
[11:32:18] <Splarka>	"CRIKEY! This Tim Starling is showing his rare and elusive Sarcasm! what a beaut!"
[11:34:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  (10gtisza)
[11:34:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  (10gtisza)
[11:38:56] <Nikerabbit>	bugzilla should have avatars of smiling people
[11:42:06] <Splarka>	aTr: hmm... U+03B1 and U+0430 seem to get case-normalized, but U+0251 might work for ya: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/%C9%91
[11:43:22] <aTr>	hmm that looks like a greek a to me..
[11:43:25] <aTr>	?
[11:43:33] <aTr>	it doesn't shows up on mirc
[11:43:59] <Splarka>	ɑ
[11:44:22] <Splarka>	aTr: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0251/index.htm
[11:44:29] <Splarka>	but it is sorta lower case ^_^
[11:44:53] <aTr>	yea, it does look like one :D
[11:46:02] <danielwilms>	hey...does anybody know if there is an extension to convert a mediawiki article into plain html?
[11:46:51] <Splarka>	for what definition of "plain" ?
[11:46:53] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar?action=render
[11:47:15] <Splarka>	is pretty plain, no skin, or headers (or anything) but has internal UI, like TOC and section edit links
[11:48:12] <danielwilms>	ahhh...ok
[11:48:26] <danielwilms>	looks quite ok...thx
[11:52:44] <aTr>	Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem.
[11:54:09] <werdna>	hmm, paging threads instead of having an artificial archived / not archived is probably a better solution, right?
[11:54:50] <aTr>	it seems that the server is down from which I want to download extensions
[11:55:06] <aTr>	Error: ERR_READ_TIMEOUT, errno [No Error] at Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:54:53 GMT
[11:57:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  (10gtisza)
[12:14:34] <str4nd>	Is there already a bug about this: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malline:Speedy?uselang=en (Malline = Template, #OHJAUS = #REDIRECT). Older redirect with the same content works fine: http://fi.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malline:Delete&action=edit&uselang=en
[12:16:20] <str4nd>	Ah. Never mind. That was my keyboard layout and non-breaking space
[12:25:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New user permission abusefilter-viewprivate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19362 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (en.haza-w)
[12:34:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  (10zolithemexican)
[12:38:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New user permission abusefilter-viewprivate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19362  (10en.haza-w)
[12:39:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New user permission abusefilter-viewprivate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19362  +comment (10en.haza-w)
[12:41:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New user permission abusefilter-viewprivate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19362  (10agarrett)
[12:44:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New user permission abusefilter-viewprivate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19362  (10en.haza-w)
[12:45:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New user permission abusefilter-viewprivate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19362  (10agarrett)
[13:07:24] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52306 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (10 files in 3 dirs): default config, default ops
[13:14:48] <Madness>	Hello.
[13:14:50] <Madness>	I'm having troubles implementing the Template:Documentation subpage in a custom wiki, http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Template:Documentation_subpage, the documentation subpage doesn't get included in "Category:Template documentation" and the messagebox is not shown... Anyone with knowledge in advanced templates can help me please?
[13:16:41] <faceface>	Madness: cashing issue?
[13:17:05] <Madness>	I purged a couple of times, tried to refresh too.
[13:17:24] <faceface>	Madness: I never used that template
[13:17:47] <faceface>	where did you get it from?
[13:17:50] <Madness>	Wikipedia.
[13:18:18] <Madness>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Documentation_subpage
[13:18:36] <Madness>	too many ifs and obscure stuff I don't really understand.
[13:18:52] <Madness>	Like {{{Original-recipe|}}} and {{Orig|}}}.
[13:18:54] <faceface>	Madness: yeah... I would be tempted to write from scratch
[13:19:03] <faceface>	what do you want to do?
[13:19:41] <Madness>	In addition to the output message, the template categorizes pages to Category:Template documentation, Category:User documentation, or similar (named after the subject space), but only for documentation pages in namespaces with the subpage feature. It defaults the sort key to the page name without namespace (ie, "Foo" on "Template:Foo", so it would be sorted in categories under 'F').
[13:19:46] <Madness>	This pretty much sums it up.
[13:21:08] <faceface>	I'd just write a template like this "<includeonly>[[Category:Docs|{{PAGENAME}}]]</includeonly>
[13:21:17] <faceface>	"
[13:21:57] <Madness>	I'm checking the source to see if there's more that he's doing.
[13:22:03] <Madness>	s/he/it
[13:22:07] <faceface>	do you really need to subcategorize on template / user / etc. on the condition that subpages are enabled...
[13:22:48] <Madness>	No, I don't have that necessity.
[13:24:33] <aTr>	hmm.. now that the short urls work fine, no skin is loaded
[13:24:42] <aTr>	it went fine 1 hour ago
[13:24:48] <aTr>	but now no skin is loaded
[13:25:59] <Madness>	I need to show the mbox only in the /doc page, classify the /doc page as Category:Template documentation (with the correct name, Template:foo/doc should be under F) and then include the {{documentation}} for it.
[13:34:49] *werdna 	waits for it
[13:35:00] <Madness>	?
[13:36:09] <werdna>	big commit
[13:36:11] *werdna 	kicks CIA-58 
[13:36:11] <CIA-58>	ow
[13:44:34] <Madness>	faceface, any idea on how to create such a template from scratch?
[13:46:27] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: holy hit
[13:46:55] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: ?
[13:46:57] <Nikerabbit>	* Changed to the strategy of "build HTML, then push it out"
[13:47:03] <Nikerabbit>	that's good, I wish editpage was like that
[13:47:13] <RoanKattouw>	Oh please, don't get me started
[13:47:41] <Nikerabbit>	on what?
[13:48:57] <RoanKattouw>	On how much EditPage sucks
[13:49:33] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[13:49:40] <Nikerabbit>	why don't you fix it while you are at it?
[13:50:11] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: you are using $this in static function?
[13:50:33] <Madness>	That doesn't sound wise.
[13:51:27] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: am I?
[13:51:42] <Nikerabbit>	+       static function diffPermalink( $thread, $text ) {
[13:51:42] <Nikerabbit>	+               $query = self::diffQuery( $thread );
[13:51:42] <Nikerabbit>	+               return $this->permalink( $thread, $text, null, null, null, array(), $query );
[13:51:47] <werdna>	lame
[13:51:59] <Madness>	self::permalink mayhaps?
[13:52:01] <Nikerabbit>	and same in the function above
[13:52:17] <Madness>	is permalink a static one too?
[13:52:24] <werdna>	it should be
[13:52:36] <Nikerabbit>	+                       // As with above, flush HTML to avoid refactoring EditPage.
[13:52:39] <Nikerabbit>	heh
[13:53:27] <Nikerabbit>	"&larr; $msg"
[13:53:32] <Nikerabbit>	hard coded arrows? :o
[13:53:55] <Madness>	Also, html entities? Don't you use utf-8?
[13:55:20] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: it was already hard-coded, so the messages wouldn't have it in them
[13:55:33] <werdna>	Madness: HTML entities are more compatible
[13:55:44] <werdna>	and it's easier to type &rarr; than it is to actually find a right-arrow.
[13:55:55] <Nikerabbit>	not really an issue since we stopped using anything else than utf-8..
[13:56:01] <werdna>	generally speaking you should encode UTF-8 in HTML IMO
[13:56:20] <Nikerabbit>	+               //  as it would involve rewriting EditPage, which I do NOT intend to do.
[13:56:23] <Nikerabbit>	heh
[13:56:30] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: somebody has already started it seems
[13:57:56] <RoanKattouw>	I wish them the best of luck :)
[13:58:05] <Nikerabbit>	+               // Left-hand column \xD1 read button and context link to the full thread.
[13:58:08] <Nikerabbit>	\xD1 ?
[13:58:16] <werdna>	that's not mine
[13:58:39] <Nikerabbit>	but it's there and you touched it
[13:58:50] <werdna>	oh, that's supposed to be a dash
[13:59:01] <Nikerabbit>	Special:NewMassages: you don't have any new massages :<
[13:59:01] <werdna>	since I've been able to get dashes on my keyboard I've started using them a lot more
[13:59:10] *werdna 	massages Nikerabbit sensually
[13:59:11] <Nikerabbit>	I always read it wrong :)
[13:59:41] <Nikerabbit>	+$wgOut->addHTML( Xml::tags(
[13:59:52] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[14:00:09] <Nikerabbit>	isn't parseinline a bit scary inside title tags?
[14:01:26] <Nikerabbit>	Madness: there you see where utf-8 leads to
[14:01:43] <Madness>	Hm?
[14:02:13] <Nikerabbit>	they tend to get corrupt alongway
[14:02:14] <Nikerabbit>	wfMsgExt( 'edit', 'parseinline' ) . "&uarr;",
[14:02:19] <Nikerabbit>	more hc arrows
[14:02:31] <Madness>	That's not fault of the encoding, it's the IDEs that suck.
[14:02:43] <Madness>	It's like blaming html because IE sucks :)
[14:02:44] <werdna>	you know this reviewage would be better placed on the comments, right?
[14:02:49] *werdna 	is mostly relaxing
[14:03:06] <werdna>	Madness: as I said, HTML entities are more compatible
[14:03:08] <werdna>	that's all I said
[14:03:24] <werdna>	my editor handles them fine, but it isn't handled well elsewhere, and I don't feel like dealing with the associated crap.
[14:03:38] <werdna>	so I just use the entities.
[14:04:11] <Madness>	werdna, I can't really excuse that. If I'm to work in a project that uses utf-8, I am supposed to use an editor that supports it.
[14:04:19] <Nikerabbit>	oh how cute squirrel there is in the tree
[14:04:37] <Madness>	Reverting to html entities because people can't pick a decent text editor is a poor reason.
[14:04:52] <Nikerabbit>	it's so small
[14:05:39] <werdna>	Madness: I wasn't asking you to excuse me, and I'm not sure where you get off wandering into a random development channel and advising random other people about minor stylistic choices.
[14:07:00] <Madness>	I'm not advising, I was questioning, you have a point, I have a point, I have been developing in php a while now, you might be interested in continuing this discussion in a constructive way or let it die, I'm not too concerned.
[14:07:29] <Madness>	But since I do use mediawiki, I would benefit from what I perceive to be a better coding standard.
[14:07:32] <werdna>	no good can come of you telling me to use inline unicode instead of HTML entities.
[14:08:08] <Madness>	I disagree there, but don't let that stop you. I'm not here to fight about this.
[14:08:15] <werdna>	if you think that's the main problem with coding standards in MediaWiki, you've obviously not read the MediaWiki source code.
[14:08:15] <Madness>	I was here to ask help with a complex template.
[14:08:30] <werdna>	try reading the stuff I removed.
[14:08:37] <Nikerabbit>	do we have the editpage needs rewrite bug still open?
[14:08:39] <Madness>	No, I know it's not, I have skimmed through the code and I'm quite puzzled by it.
[14:08:50] <Nikerabbit>	to be frank that code looks super boring
[14:08:55] <Nikerabbit>	just building links and html
[14:08:59] <Madness>	But then again, the devil is in the details.
[14:09:14] <Madness>	Just don't take me too seriously.
[14:19:24] <guillom>	is there any status update on image redirects? Commons admins seem to be quite happy to delete duplicates
[14:21:18] <Raymond_>	guillom: image redirects works since months. 
[14:21:27] <Raymond_>	image moving is disabled
[14:21:39] <guillom>	meh, I tried a few weeks ago and it didn't work
[14:21:45] *guillom 	tries again
[14:22:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  (10gtisza)
[14:23:38] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52309 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: Bug with titles with spaces
[14:23:49] <Raymond_>	guillom: try http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chernobylreactor_1_wpd.jpg
[14:23:59] <Raymond_>	it's a redirect
[14:24:31] <guillom>	Raymond_, well, thanks then, that's great :)
[14:24:48] <Raymond_>	you are welcome :)
[14:26:23] <Nikerabbit>	hi Raymond_ 
[14:26:29] <Nikerabbit>	what are you working on?
[14:27:03] <guillom>	Raymond_, any idea why http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Respiratory_system_complete.svg doesn't redirect me?
[14:27:16] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: nothing special. a lot of other work to earn money to do ... 
[14:28:57] <Raymond_>	guillom:  it looks like that the image itself exists. you have to delete the file and create the file page with the redirect than
[14:29:53] <guillom>	Raymond_, ugh, that's quite unpractical; the point of having redirects for files is to keep the history of both the page and the file
[14:30:36] <Raymond_>	guillom: hmmm you can keep the history of the page, but not of the file. bug or feature, don`t know
[14:30:53] <guillom>	hmm I see
[14:30:55] <guillom>	thanks
[14:37:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:38:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:46:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:52:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Licensing update implementation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19259  +comment (10kwj2772)
[14:59:51] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52310 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Removed excess check that broke Media: version tracking for review form (bug 18419)
[15:00:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Page shown as draft after being sighted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18419  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:06:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Editingcomment and Newsectionsummary not change according to the language chosen by the user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19363 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (heldergeovane)
[15:10:38] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52311 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (4 files): Translation memory hooks
[15:12:17] <vvv>	werdna: why web-access to abusefilter.php is restricted?
[15:14:01] <werdna>	vvv: it isn't restricted, I think it's just not there
[15:14:15] <vvv>	werdna: may you fix it?
[15:14:25] <werdna>	I don't know how, but I'll poke it in a sec
[15:17:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable AbuseFilter on Lithuanian Wikipedia. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19274  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:18:12] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52312 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (TranslateEditAddons.php tag/TranslatablePage.php): 
[15:18:12] <CIA-58>	* Skip useles queries
[15:18:12] <CIA-58>	* Limit suggestions to three
[15:20:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change SITENAME and add namespace alias on Ukrainian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18781  (10rhalsell)
[15:22:16] <Madness>	Hm, I wonder if a special page with pages that link redirect pages would be interesting.
[15:23:34] <^demon>	you mean like Special:DoubleRedirects?
[15:23:44] <^demon>	or i guess not.
[15:23:54] <^demon>	links to redirects.
[15:25:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Invalid contributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18328  +comment (10ts77)
[15:25:58] <Madness>	^demon sort of, but with normal pages linking to redirect pages.
[15:28:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18590  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:28:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Russian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18594  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:32:56] <Sivart>	I'm setting up a wiki for an IT department. I've got pages configured for different servers. I'd like to keep a work log on each of those pages, so if someone runs a software update or something similar they'd just make a not of it on the page. What extension should I look at to enable my co-workers to add to the work log without actually having to learn the wiki syntax, I'd like them to just enter a short description into a text box.
[15:35:11] <faceface>	Sivart: SMW / SF
[15:35:17] <faceface>	Sivart: see #semanticmediawiki
[15:35:23] <faceface>	(if anyone is alive in there)
[15:35:30] <faceface>	Madness: I did show you a template to do that
[15:35:51] <Sivart>	faceface, yea i was looking at sematicwiki for this
[15:35:56] <faceface>	its actually much easier than the templates on Wikipedia lead you to believe (because they do soooo many things)
[15:36:18] <faceface>	Sivart: It gives you points with the people who like saying the word Semantic
[15:36:30] <faceface>	Sivart: and the semantic forms extension is really really nice
[15:36:50] <faceface>	I'm not sure if SF really needs SMW... if it dosn't its even better
[15:36:57] <Sivart>	faceface, i was looking at inputbox but it didnt seem possible with it
[15:37:06] <faceface>	Sivart: inputbox is borrible
[15:37:12] <faceface>	I mean horrible
[15:37:13] <Sivart>	smw looked like a little bit of overkill for what im doing though
[15:37:23] <faceface>	Sivart: right, but then again so is MW
[15:37:31] <Skizzerz>	!hesaidsemantic
[15:37:31] --mwbot--	http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[15:37:31] <faceface>	I'd install SMW and have done with it
[15:37:39] <Sivart>	thanks, ill give a closer look. time for me to go eat sushi.
[15:37:54] <faceface>	its actually really easy to install and who cares if it 150%'s the code base... its already massive ;-)
[15:38:03] <faceface>	Skizzerz: noooooooooooo!
[15:38:26] <Nikerabbit>	hi Skizzerz Skizzerz
[15:38:30] <Skizzerz>	hi
[15:40:23] <^demon>	i'm not sure I like this new [[Manual:Industrialization guide]]
[15:40:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) set $wgLogo for fywikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19328  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:41:21] <Nikerabbit>	Create an ftp access for wiki super-user and send him its username and its temporary password.
[15:41:24] <Nikerabbit>	yick
[15:41:52] <Skizzerz>	^demon: I think the person that wrote it is using jidanni as a role model
[15:42:16] <Madness>	faceface by doing <includeonly>[[Category:Docs|{{PAGENAME}}]]</includeonly> the Template page (along with the /doc subpage) will be placed in the docs category.
[15:43:09] <^demon>	the whole page is a fork of our normal install/config docs. if we do need some corporate-environment-specific instructions, these certainly arent it.
[15:43:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDF rendering does not support <br> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19318  (10grysmith)
[15:45:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) set $wgLogo for fywikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19328  (10mike.lifeguard)
[15:46:31] <^demon>	stupid android.
[15:46:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDF rendering does not support <br> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19318  (10grysmith)
[15:46:46] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52313 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/pages/TalkpageArchiveView.php: 
[15:46:46] <CIA-58>	Remove condition that a thread has to be unmodified for more than a month in
[15:46:46] <CIA-58>	order to be displayed on the archive. Moving more towards having threads just
[15:46:46] <CIA-58>	fall off the bottom of the page, and so the archive page will be more a
[15:46:46] <CIA-58>	directory to threads.
[15:48:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) PDF rendering does not support <br> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19318  (10grysmith)
[15:53:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDF rendering does not support <br> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19318  (10volker.haas)
[15:53:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDF rendering does not support <br> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19318  (10volker.haas)
[15:54:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PDF rendering does not support <br> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19318  (10volker.haas)
[15:55:21] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52314 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/ (9 files in 2 dirs): beanshell scripting
[15:56:46] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52315 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/pages/TalkpageView.php: Fix some variable naming and E_NOTICE
[16:04:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Set project namespace of Portuguese Wikibooks to "Wikilivros" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19364 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (heldergeovane)
[16:16:04] <flaccid>	is there a simple way to list all articles on a wiki ?
[16:17:57] <Nikerabbit>	special:allpages
[16:18:22] <flaccid>	ah dang thanks Nikerabbit
[16:19:05] <flaccid>	8 pages, hehe
[16:19:24] *Nikerabbit 	takes one
[16:19:30] <flaccid>	hehe
[16:19:37] <Nikerabbit>	quick, hide the rest
[16:19:40] <flaccid>	at least 1 is incredibly detailed which is good
[16:19:48] *flaccid 	looks at his backups :p
[16:20:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check for empty section before printing title, else visible in text browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19185  (10jidanni)
[16:22:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) userOptions.php is unable to access some options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19051  (10jidanni)
[16:22:37] <flaccid>	have a good one Nikerabbit take it easy
[16:24:44] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52316 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtDispatch.php: Add delete to header action list
[16:32:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Self-link feature should use only CSS, not HTML strong tag, for greater flexibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  (10harryalffa)
[16:34:34] <Madness>	That doesn't make any sense.
[16:34:51] <werdna>	sure it does
[16:35:09] <Madness>	<strong> is a semantically heavy tag, taking it away is just silly.
[16:35:35] <Simetrical>	I think <strong> is appropriate there.
[16:35:43] <Simetrical>	I don't know what "greater flexibility" is supposed to mean.
[16:36:00] <Madness>	Nothing, really.
[16:36:29] <Simetrical>	Somebody who thinks classed <span>/<div> is the "proper CSS" way to do things, I'm guessing.
[16:36:35] <Madness>	You can add font-weight: bold to .selflink and you can add font-weight: normal to strong.
[16:37:01] <Madness>	I could agree that a strong+class name is better than no class name, but that's it.
[16:37:10] <Simetrical>	Oh, this is someone who doesn't like selflinks?
[16:37:13] <Simetrical>	Madness, we have a class name.
[16:38:53] <Madness>	Then it's fine as is.
[16:39:07] <Madness>	Enriching by taking away/generalizing is quite insane.
[16:39:22] <flyingparchment>	why should self links be emphasised when no other links are?
[16:39:34] <flyingparchment>	adding semantic isn't good unless it's correct.
[16:39:44] <Madness>	Because they are self links?
[16:40:00] <flyingparchment>	so?  why should self links be emphasised when no other links are?
[16:40:18] <Madness>	Because they are self links!
[16:40:26] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, because other links are in <a>'s, self links are not.
[16:40:36] <Simetrical>	Self links aren't actually links in the rendered HTML.
[16:40:49] <Madness>	They give you an idea of where you are.
[16:40:52] <Simetrical>	If they were just in <span>s, they wouldn't be different from any other text in a non-CSS browser.
[16:41:18] <Simetrical>	Normal links are, well, links, so they're already different.
[16:41:27] <Madness>	Every semantic navigation out there is done with <li><a/></li><li><a/></li><li class="current"><strong/></li><li><a/></li>
[16:41:44] <Simetrical>	Not ours!
[16:41:48] <Simetrical>	I think.
[16:41:56] <Simetrical>	Maybe it should be if it isn't, though.
[16:42:18] <Madness>	I have no idea. Yet I was trying to channel the concept of strong=good with an example.
[16:42:38] <Madness>	(in this case)
[16:42:52] <Simetrical>	Strong is not always good.
[16:43:02] <Simetrical>	Only when it's appropriate.  Which it is here.
[16:43:07] <werdna>	yeah, like if you stick your fingers together with glue
[16:43:11] <werdna>	then you want the glue to be weak
[16:43:27] *werdna 	hides again, having contributed to the discussion
[16:43:29] <Madness>	Unless you're very masochistic.
[16:43:48] <Madness>	Which you are if you work in web development.
[16:45:19] <Madness>	The only argument in the self-link case is if <b> is better than <strong> there.
[16:45:55] <Madness>	(using the html5 definition of both tags, which are more mature than the html4.01/xhtml1.1 counterparts)
[16:47:25] <Madness>	But comparing http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/strong.html#strong with http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/b.html#b I'd say the importance is there.
[16:50:25] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Self-link feature should use only CSS, not HTML strong tag, for greater flexibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:57:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Self-link feature should use only CSS, not HTML strong tag, for greater flexibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  (10jidanni)
[17:12:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:NewPages needs constant width date, else columns won't line up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19187  15enhancement->trivial; normal->lowest; +comment (10jidanni)
[17:16:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:NewPages needs constant width date, else columns won't line up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19187  (10jidanni)
[17:24:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) disambiguationspage should ship with [[ ]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19183  (10jidanni)
[17:51:53] <mathieu__>	hi room!
[17:52:09] <charitwo>	!ask | mathieu__ 
[17:52:09] --mwbot--	mathieu__: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[17:52:22] <Nikerabbit>	charitwo: that wasn't a question :o
[17:52:46] <charitwo>	same concept applies
[17:52:48] <faceface>	!slap | charitwo 
[17:52:48] --mwbot--	charitwo: I don't know anything about "slap".
[17:53:06] <^demon>	charitwo: saying hi is forbidden now?
[17:53:23] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[17:53:36] <Nikerabbit>	and now we have then lines of meta-discussion
[17:53:48] <charitwo>	i'm saying if he needs help, to come out and ask it
[17:54:01] <charitwo>	go back to your hole ^demon 
[17:55:19] <^demon>	charitwo: but he didnt say he needed help, he just said hi :)
[17:55:22] *Skizzerz 	mutters something about mediawiki cloaks
[17:55:29] <Skizzerz>	oh, hi brion! :D
[17:55:45] <brion>	what ap
[17:55:49] <charitwo>	^demon: i realize that, but he also might need help. Stop hounding me, it's annoying
[17:55:50] <Madness>	I say we should shot people who answer to "hi" with a macro.
[17:55:51] *brion 	is reinstalling xp in vmware, whee
[17:55:51] <charitwo>	go away
[17:56:28] <charitwo>	xp or xp lite?
[17:56:44] <brion>	xp lite.... and an upgrade. pah it demands to see my win98 cd ;)
[17:56:49] *^demon 	gives brion a bottle of advil
[17:57:36] <mathieu__>	I'm looking for a command line to refresh my wiki and get it to run faster. I tried rebuildall.php and update.php already. Any suggestion please?
[17:57:37] *brion 	patiently awaits vmware for iphone
[17:58:23] <mathieu__>	!answer | charitwo
[17:58:23] --mwbot--	charitwo: Just wait a goddamn minute for me to ask my question and then you can answer it.
[17:58:23] <brion>	mathieu__: don't think there's really something for you quite like what you're looking for
[17:58:43] <brion>	have you installed memcached, a php opcode cache, etc?
[17:59:11] <mathieu__>	brion: not yet Sir. Is there a command line to empty the cache?
[17:59:47] <brion>	not as such. why do you think you would want one?
[18:00:14] *^demon 	goes and writes one anyway, had to flush caches before :)
[18:00:26] <mathieu__>	brion: i've been uploading a lot of files yesterday, and since then it always take several seconds to display a page
[18:00:44] <mathieu__>	brion: also, I think we can add --update after a cmd line, is that correct?
[18:00:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) edit captions and hotspots not appearing on sub sections next to pictures - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19365 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (peterc)
[18:02:55] <CIA-58>	03sergeychernyshev * r52317 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[18:02:55] <CIA-58>	Updated OpenID logo and icon. Made them transparent as well.
[18:02:55] <CIA-58>	Tweaked large-box border styles for provider picker to look better.
[18:02:55] <CIA-58>	Made OpenID URL input field shorter so button doesn't get wrapped to the next line - keeping the height of the form relatively stable.
[18:04:00] <mathieu__>	is learning about Memcached
[18:06:31] <SPQRobin>	brion: could the incubator extension be enabled? ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18788 )
[18:07:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inconsistent number of <item>s in feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19330  (10jidanni)
[18:08:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feeds not full capacity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19330  summary (10jidanni)
[18:10:13] <brion>	SPQRobin: after i take a peek and make sure it's not explody yes :D
[18:10:48] <^demon>	"Anyway, you must admit to existence of constipation if all that one can squeeze out of the feed for www.mediawiki.org is 37 <item>s."
[18:10:52] <^demon>	wtf.
[18:11:12] <brion>	SPQRobin: hmm i don't see it in extensions dir
[18:11:19] <brion>	ah it's WikimediaIncubator
[18:11:45] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Editingcomment and Newsectionsummary not change according to the language chosen by the user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19363  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:12:07] <vvv>	brion: any chances image moving will be reenabled?
[18:12:21] <brion>	vvv: prolly yes. lemme put it on my list for this week :D
[18:13:24] <^demon>	brion: can a fresh peek at bug 13750 get on that list?
[18:15:26] <brion>	sure
[18:15:57] <^demon>	:)
[18:16:43] *^demon 	needs to finally get around to writing the review queue component to code review.
[18:17:48] <vvv>	brion: what about old RestrictUser feature reverted back in October?
[18:19:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editingcomment and Newsectionsummary not change according to the language chosen by the user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19363  (10heldergeovane)
[18:24:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Self-link feature should use only CSS, not HTML strong tag, for greater flexibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:24:26] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: Oh, that'd be awesome
[18:24:35] <aTr>	hello again
[18:24:49] <aTr>	there's another problem with mediawiki
[18:24:57] <aTr>	i set it up to use short urls
[18:25:02] <aTr>	it works fine but theres no skin
[18:27:25] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: yeah its on my extended todo list :)
[18:27:30] <RoanKattouw>	hehe
[18:30:58] <mathieu__>	does anyone know why mw logo is a sunflower?
[18:31:17] <mathieu__>	<-- is full of questions today
[18:32:18] <brion>	because it's cute ;)
[18:32:34] <brion>	it was one of the wikipedia logo content runners-up long long ago
[18:32:51] <brion>	vvv: hmm i forget, was that page/user-specific restrictions?
[18:34:10] <vvv>	brion: yes, see patch for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674
[18:36:45] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: feel free to steal the idea & glory ;-)
[18:37:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Self-link feature should use only CSS, not HTML strong tag, for greater flexibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  (10harryalffa)
[18:37:06] <RoanKattouw>	Not before April 2010 I'm afraid
[18:38:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) English Wikipedia dump has a wrong size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19242  (10yeyiwang)
[18:39:47] <^demon>	roan, even my todo list isnt planned through April :)
[18:40:08] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[18:40:41] *^demon 	goes back to hacking away at maintenance scripts.
[18:40:42] <RoanKattouw>	Mine isn't either; it's just that the usability project ends in April
[18:41:25] <^demon>	end users, bah :)
[18:41:54] <vvv>	^demon: aren't thay myths? :)
[18:42:28] <^demon>	No, they exist. the myth is that we should make mediawiki more friendly and inviting them them :)
[18:42:32] <brion>	ah, windows update. how do i love thee? let me count the ways
[18:42:36] <brion>	0. 0 ways.
[18:42:40] <brion>	ah ah ah
[18:43:04] <^demon>	Today's episode is brought to you by the number 0.
[18:43:14] <^demon>	And the letter W.
[18:44:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tables not existing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19358  (10markus)
[18:45:37] <aTr>	does anyone knows why I don't have skin in mediawiki?
[18:45:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set project namespace of Portuguese Wikibooks to "Wikilivros" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19364   +shell (10brion)
[18:46:00] <mathieu__>	is thinking that it's almost lunch time
[18:46:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Self-link feature should use only CSS, not HTML strong tag, for greater flexibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:46:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Must differentiate 'specialpage(s)' in all languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18403  (10jidanni)
[18:48:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create new namespace on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19357  (10brion)
[18:49:23] <Simetrical>	aTr, if you don't have skin, you should probably see a doctor immediately.
[18:49:31] <aTr>	:D
[18:49:45] <aTr>	"I don't have skin in mediawiki"
[18:49:51] <aTr>	can the doctor help me with that too?
[18:49:52] <aTr>	:p
[18:50:37] <^demon>	i wouldnt count on it.
[18:51:14] <aTr>	the redirect works fine
[18:51:34] <aTr>	short url also works fine
[18:51:43] <aTr>	but there's no skin
[18:51:56] <aTr>	it cant access the skins folder I think
[18:52:30] <brion>	wtf @ http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52303
[18:53:46] <Simetrical>	brion, what's the wtf?
[18:54:03] <brion>	the revert is not supported by the comment
[18:55:00] <vvv>	Is there any maintanance script to change user's groups?
[18:55:28] <^demon>	vvv: no
[18:55:38] <^demon>	brion: more like comment 9
[18:55:46] <vvv>	^demon: won't you mind if I write it?
[18:56:04] <brion>	^demon: comment 9 post-describes it
[18:56:10] <brion>	and then seems to talk about something else entirely
[18:56:11] <^demon>	vvv: no i wont mind.
[18:56:38] <^demon>	brion: yes, after the fact. i'm not sure about the original bug anyway.
[18:56:55] <brion>	anyway i'm fixing up the bug
[18:57:04] <^demon>	vvv: i'll just have to merge it to my branch and port to the new framework anyway.
[18:57:04] <aTr>	it this line right?
[18:57:05] <aTr>	url.rewrite-once = ( "^/upload/(.+)" => "/w/upload/$1","^/skins/(.+)" => "/w/skins/$1","^/$" => "/w/index.php","^/([^?]*)(?:\?(.*))?" => "/w/index.php?title=$1&$2" )
[18:59:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sidebar "special pages" link is confusingly identical to "special page" tab in Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18403  summary; +comment (10brion)
[19:05:59] <spvensko>	i have found the inputbox extension that allows you to do things such as search, is there a similar one which allows you to select a directory then have a button that performs a cgi script?
[19:12:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sidebar "special pages" link is confusingly identical to "special page" tab in Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18403  (10brion)
[19:12:36] <brion>	http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6257 <- for the curious :)
[19:12:38] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Special:Allpages for namespace 0 sometimes shows project namespace pages (namespaceDupes.php?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16514  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:14:45] <CIA-58>	03brion * r52318 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesZh_hans.php MessagesZh_hant.php): 
[19:14:45] <CIA-58>	Restore r52293 zh l10n fix for bug 18403 which was mistakenly reverted in r52303.
[19:14:45] <CIA-58>	Diagram to explain the issue at http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6257 since discussion on bug was wayyy offtopic and people seemed confused about what was at issue.
[19:15:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add namespace alias "WB" for namespace 4 ("Wikibooks") on it.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19116  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:15:36] <spvensko>	i have found the inputbox extension that allows you to do things such as search, is there a similar one which allows you to select a directory then have a button that performs a cgi script?
[19:16:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Sidebar "special pages" link is confusingly identical to "special page" tab in Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18403  +comment (10brion)
[19:18:00] <Nikerabbit>	aTr: you are not going for very short urls... are you?
[19:18:27] <aTr>	it worked for some moment
[19:18:35] <aTr>	after one hour I rechecked the site
[19:18:42] <aTr>	and skins weren't loaded anymore
[19:18:49] <Nikerabbit>	yeah... guess what
[19:20:17] <aTr>	what?
[19:20:24] <aTr>	didn't set up something again?
[19:20:52] <Nikerabbit>	aTr: use longer short urls and you have *this much* less problems
[19:21:27] <aTr>	longer short urls? :D
[19:22:13] <aTr>	i guess thats not the wiki.website.com/Main_Page, is it?
[19:22:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set global variables for Sakha (sah) Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19111  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:22:53] <Nikerabbit>	no
[19:23:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create mailing list for the board of Wikimedia Finland - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19366 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (str4nd)
[19:23:06] <Nikerabbit>	wiki.foo.com/wiki/Main_Page
[19:23:11] <str4nd>	Nikerabbit, foo
[19:23:34] <aTr>	Nikerabbit, that way it worked
[19:23:39] <aTr>	I guess I really should use it that way
[19:23:48] <aTr>	gonna give a try
[19:27:06] <RoanKattouw>	!rewriteproblems
[19:27:06] --mwbot--	1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[19:27:21] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[19:27:36] <Nikerabbit>	anybody calculate how many clicks it is to show deleted version of a page
[19:28:52] <str4nd>	history, view or restore, history -> 3
[19:29:15] <Nikerabbit>	+ one to actually show something else than the source code
[19:29:29] <Nikerabbit>	(when the whole page is deleted)
[19:29:46] <Skizzerz>	one with my handy js widget that I haven't coded yet :D
[19:32:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create new namespace on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19357  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:32:36] <aTr>	Nikerabbit, there's no .htaccess for lighttpd ^^
[19:32:46] <aTr>	but I reverted it back to /wiki and now it seems to work again
[19:32:46] <riesss>	hi
[19:32:51] <riesss>	off topic
[19:33:20] <riesss>	do you know a script to generate "seemless" picture galleries 
[19:33:43] <riesss>	Do You know there websites where You see a bunch of pics of different sizes
[19:33:51] <riesss>	all of them very close to each other
[19:34:04] <riesss>	I�d like to have something like that
[19:35:48] <CIA-58>	03purodha * r52319 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: interpuntuation error in message corrected.
[19:38:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Wikis ready for creation (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16976  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:39:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Usability wiki misses the interwiki set - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17518  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:43:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add namespace alias "WB" for namespace 4 ("Wikibooks") on it.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19116  +comment (10raffaelemac)
[19:45:37] <kunsole>	http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Andrei_Tarkovsky vs. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:The_God_Interview
[19:46:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Self-link feature should use only CSS, not HTML strong tag, for greater flexibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  (10harryalffa)
[19:54:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Portal namespaces title are messed up on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19367 trivial; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (ahmad.m.sherif)
[19:55:35] <Nikerabbit>	that didn't take long
[20:01:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create new namespace on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19357  (10meno25wiki)
[20:02:31] <Duesentrieb>	hmm... naming question. what do i call a thing that picks the "best" of several alternatives? "optimizer" is to broad. "picker" is non-descript. so...
[20:03:16] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, more specifically?
[20:04:01] <Duesentrieb>	it's not much more specific than that. i match entries from database A to database B. There may be several options. there's an interface you can implement to pick the best option.
[20:04:05] <Duesentrieb>	i'm trying to name the interface
[20:04:37] <Duesentrieb>	BestMappingSelectionOperation? :/
[20:04:54] <Duesentrieb>	maybe i just call it Frobniz and be done with it.
[20:05:37] <urbanvampire_>	hi everybody, I have a small (optical) issue using interwiki links: When I refer from my mediawiki installation to an article in the german wikipedia, I have to use [[wikipedia:de:Artikel|Artikel]]. Since there are two prefixes I cannot use the shorter version like [[wikipedia:de:Artikel|]]. Can I change the prefix "wikipedia" to link to the german wikipedia? 
[20:06:04] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[20:06:10] <Duesentrieb>	!interwiki | urbanvampire_
[20:06:10] --mwbot--	urbanvampire_: Interwiki links are links between wikis. For instance, on Wikibooks, [[w:Article name]] or [[Wikipedia:Article name]] will link to a Wikipedia article. To set up interwiki links, see <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Guide_to_setting_up_interwiki_linking> and <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki>. For easy configuration, use <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialInterwiki>
[20:06:28] <Duesentrieb>	urbanvampire_: you have to do it in the database though. or install an extension
[20:07:10] <urbanvampire_>	Oh, I missed that in the manual ... sorry for that. Going directly to the tables is fine, I know how to do that. :)
[20:08:10] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52320 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslatePage.php: Validate language code to avoid fatal errors with invalid titles
[20:14:05] <urbanvampire_>	it worked, thanks a lot!
[20:16:07] <mathieu__>	does anyone know the cmd line to make a directory fully writable please?
[20:17:37] <Madness>	Eureka.
[20:17:43] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52321 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/load_txt_def/: added config.cache in svn:ignore property
[20:17:58] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52322 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslatePage.php: I don't know what I was smoking, but I want more of it
[20:18:13] <ialex>	o_O
[20:20:46] <Madness>	How is it possible that MediaWiki gives me Documentation subpage/doc for {{SUBPAGENAME}}.
[20:21:01] <Nikerabbit>	with ugly template wizardy
[20:21:06] <Madness>	Shouldn't I get '"doc"?
[20:21:16] <Nikerabbit>	Madness: enable subpges for that namespace
[20:22:01] <Madness>	Isn't it enough if I do page/subpage?
[20:22:06] <Madness>	How do I enable subpages?
[20:23:32] <Nikerabbit>	$wgEnableSubpages or something?
[20:24:03] <Duesentrieb>	!subpages
[20:24:03] --mwbot--	By default some namespaces have subpages enabled and others don't. You can enable or disable them using $wgNamespacesWithSubpages in LocalSettings.php. <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespacesWithSubpages>
[20:24:12] *Duesentrieb 	huggles mwbot
[20:24:18] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb
[20:24:28] <Nikerabbit>	are you still mad at me?
[20:24:33] <Duesentrieb>	heyho Nikerabbit
[20:24:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Self-link feature should use only CSS, not HTML strong tag, for greater flexibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:24:57] <Madness>	$wgNamespacesWithSubpages
[20:25:01] <Madness>	Ah right.
[20:26:28] <Madness>	That Harry Alffa has absolutely no clue what he is talking about,.
[20:26:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikis ready for creation (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16976  (10mxn)
[20:26:39] <Madness>	thanks Duesentrieb by the way.
[20:28:54] <Duesentrieb>	np.
[20:29:20] <mathieu__>	Can a make a file writable with a command line? and if yes, which one please?
[20:29:44] <Nikerabbit>	context?
[20:29:58] <Duesentrieb>	chmod a+w $filename   <--- makes it writable for all. which is very insecure.
[20:30:01] <Holos>	Does mediawiki log all page accesses? We have a google search appliance crawling our wiki and I've been seeing some large increases in DB size, so I can only assume it's inserting a lot of page view updates
[20:30:41] <Duesentrieb>	Holos: it counts them, so db load may get heavy. size shouldn't increase though.
[20:30:51] <Duesentrieb>	counting can be disabled too.
[20:31:24] <mathieu__>	Nikerabbit: to allow ImageMagick to work
[20:31:41] <Holos>	I don't mind the counting, I just seem to be seeing a large increase in db size. I guess I need to watch the binary logs to see what's going on.
[20:31:55] <rainman__>	btw Duesentrieb are you by any chance staying longer in buenos aires? i vaguely remember people talking about traveling afterwards, but i don't remember who
[20:32:05] <mathieu__>	I have to make the 'image' directory writable to allow the creation of thumbnails
[20:32:23] <Duesentrieb>	rainman__: would be nice, but no, the family awaits. i'll travel between august 22 and 30.
[20:33:19] <Duesentrieb>	mathieu__: you can give write permission to the owner, the owner's group, or everyone. giveing less permissions is more secure. how much insecurity is required depends on your setup.
[20:33:41] <Duesentrieb>	chmod a+rwx on the directory will allow anyone to do anything.
[20:33:44] <Duesentrieb>	which will probably work
[20:33:49] <Duesentrieb>	but is scary 
[20:33:59] <Nikerabbit>	night
[20:34:07] <Duesentrieb>	n8 Nikerabbit
[20:34:48] <mathieu__>	Duesentrieb: thanks. don't have much choices left
[20:35:16] *rainman_ 	kicks internet
[20:35:25] <rainman_>	daniel you got my last question?
[20:36:48] <blue_asterisk>	my dumpBackup.php isn't working; AdminSettings.php exists with the correct username/password; any ideas?
[20:37:03] <blue_asterisk>	php error log does not report anything
[20:37:08] <mathieu__>	Duesebtrieb: it tells me: chmod: missing operand after `a+w'
[20:38:00] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Transfer of Mot�: lemmata from wa.wiki to wa.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17547  +comment (10rhalsell)
[20:38:41] <blue_asterisk>	mathieu__: did you specify a file or directory?
[20:39:10] <mathieu__>	blue_asterisk: chmod a+rw $images
[20:39:23] *Simetrical 	bets he copied "$filename" literally
[20:39:29] <blue_asterisk>	ya
[20:39:33] <mathieu__>	almost
[20:39:39] <Simetrical>	You need to put in the actual filename.
[20:39:53] <mathieu__>	it's the 'images' folder
[20:40:06] <mathieu__>	or rather called directory
[20:40:27] <Simetrical>	You aren't supposed to copy the $.
[20:40:28] <blue_asterisk>	do 'pwd'
[20:40:47] <mathieu__>	Simetrical: no it's working :)
[20:41:31] <mathieu__>	*now
[20:41:45] <mathieu__>	thanks blue_asterisk
[20:41:45] <blue_asterisk>	Simetrical: would you have any idea on why dumpBack.php doesn't work?
[20:41:55] <Simetrical>	You mean dumpBackup.php?
[20:42:03] <blue_asterisk>	err yeah
[20:42:06] <Simetrical>	I've never looked at that code.
[20:42:28] <blue_asterisk>	it just fails silently
[20:42:37] <blue_asterisk>	I hate that kind of bug, heh
[20:42:50] <mathieu__>	!fail
[20:42:50] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "fail". You might try: !rewriteproblems 
[20:42:50] <rainman_>	you got adminsettings.php setup?
[20:42:56] <blue_asterisk>	yeah
[20:43:16] <blue_asterisk>	checked the username and password too
[20:43:23] <blue_asterisk>	(via mysql)
[20:43:42] <rainman_>	so it just exits without giving you any error, what command are you running?
[20:43:56] <blue_asterisk>	php dumpBackup.php
[20:44:06] <Madness>	I'm gonna get "I think
[20:44:06] <Madness>	there is an emergent (as it were) behaviour where semantics can be conveyed by
[20:44:06] <Madness>	CSS
[20:44:10] <blue_asterisk>	I've tried php -f dumpBackup.php as well
[20:44:11] <Madness>	Damn line breaks.
[20:44:42] <Simetrical>	XChat puts the line breaks in the text box as a box with "000A" in it, and you can edit/delete them like regular characters.
[20:44:43] <Madness>	As I was going to say: I'm going to get "I think there is an emergent (as it were) behaviour where semantics can be conveyed by CSS" tattoed on my butt.
[20:44:45] <Simetrical>	One of the things I like about it.
[20:44:47] <rainman_>	so that gives you no output?
[20:45:15] <rainman_>	quite strange
[20:45:46] <blue_asterisk>	yeah no output
[20:46:01] <blue_asterisk>	I'm trying to debug the file now
[20:46:52] <mathieu__>	Simetrical: do you know how to go one directory back when you're on ssh?
[20:46:58] <mathieu__>	cd something
[20:47:09] <Simetrical>	mathieu__, cd ..
[20:47:16] <mathieu__>	thanks
[20:47:18] <Simetrical>	Well, depends what you mean by "one directory back".
[20:47:34] <mathieu__>	it works fine.
[20:48:11] <blue_asterisk>	hmm, it fails in commandLine.inc
[20:49:03] <blue_asterisk>	argh
[20:49:25] <emmanuel>	Hi, I am trying to upgrade from 1.13 to 1.15, and my web server threw me a 500 error. I had all permissions correctly set (777 for config/)
[20:49:31] <emmanuel>	any idea anyone ?
[20:50:21] <collinj>	hi all
[20:51:08] <blue_asterisk>	emmanuel: 500 is an internal server error
[20:51:18] <emmanuel>	yes I know that
[20:51:18] <blue_asterisk>	check your server settings
[20:51:28] <brion>	emmanuel: some web servers are configured to not let you serve out stuff that's 777 as a security measure
[20:51:32] <emmanuel>	I could not find anything in the log
[20:51:49] <emmanuel>	Is there a way then to upgrade ?
[20:52:18] <blue_asterisk>	emmanuel: did you upgrade any web server related things?
[20:52:18] <emmanuel>	I don't have access to a shell, so I was going for a "rerun" of the installer
[20:52:23] <emmanuel>	no
[20:52:33] <emmanuel>	At least, I don't think so
[20:52:37] <blue_asterisk>	I assume 1.13 was working?
[20:52:40] <emmanuel>	I am not the owner of the server
[20:52:46] <emmanuel>	yes, perfectly well
[20:53:09] <emmanuel>	and when I put back my old Localsettings.php
[20:53:17] <emmanuel>	I can access the wiki
[20:53:37] <emmanuel>	but the "Recent changes" page tells me there are errors in Mysql
[20:53:37] <blue_asterisk>	well, if you're not the owner of the server, anything could happen :-/
[20:53:45] <emmanuel>	sure !
[20:54:19] <emmanuel>	but as 1.13 worked perfectly well 10 minutes before I started...
[20:54:46] <blue_asterisk>	emmanuel: you'd have to deal with whoever is running your wiki
[20:55:19] <blue_asterisk>	if you don't have shell access, it'd to hard or next to impossible to diagnose here
[20:55:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Closing several wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19368 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (robinp.1273)
[20:55:47] <blue_asterisk>	if you don't have shell access, you can't fix a corrupted mysql database
[20:56:16] <blue_asterisk>	stick with 1.13 and then backup everything
[20:56:24] <blue_asterisk>	i.e. export your pages
[20:56:42] <emmanuel>	I did that already before upgrading so no problem with that
[20:56:47] <blue_asterisk>	that'd be my advice anyway
[20:57:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create new namespace on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19357  +comment (10rhalsell)
[20:57:42] <emmanuel>	will it work if I do it on my own server, and then upload the whole thing, and import the sql database ?
[20:58:10] <emmanuel>	(Assuming I run the same versions of php, mysql and apache)
[20:58:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Portal namespaces title are messed up on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19367  +comment (10ahmad.m.sherif)
[20:58:25] <blue_asterisk>	emmanuel: I don't think you'll get much support here if you don't have shell access and your hosting provider has set up a custom wikimedia installer
[20:58:45] <blue_asterisk>	emmanuel: do you have an sql dump?
[20:58:51] <emmanuel>	Yes I do
[20:59:02] <emmanuel>	did it before starting anything
[20:59:46] <blue_asterisk>	with no shell access it's hard to say what works or doesn't
[21:00:03] <blue_asterisk>	thus it'd be hard to say what will work or won't
[21:00:18] <emmanuel>	and is it worth a try to run it on my server, and then upload ?
[21:01:19] <blue_asterisk>	if you have an sql dump and don't mind spending a few extra bucks per month, go with a VPS or something that has shell access
[21:02:04] <blue_asterisk>	I don't know what anything is worth since I don't know what you have
[21:02:21] <blue_asterisk>	I need to get back to work
[21:02:55] <emmanuel>	ok thanks for your time anyway
[21:03:01] <blue_asterisk>	yeah
[21:03:06] <blue_asterisk>	sorry
[21:03:10] <mathieu__>	Does anyone know how to install ImageMagick on a Unix server?
[21:03:12] <blue_asterisk>	can't help much
[21:03:31] <emmanuel>	No problem, I'll try to get more information about this error, adn eventually get back here
[21:03:44] <emmanuel>	thanks anyway
[21:04:15] <blue_asterisk>	mathieu__: google or ask in #php or something
[21:04:34] <mathieu__>	k
[21:04:49] <mathieu__>	emmanuel: I've had the same issue
[21:05:15] <urbanvampire_>	mathieu__ what kind of unix server?
[21:05:51] <blue_asterisk>	mathieu__:  http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[21:06:33] <mathieu__>	urbanvampire_: very basic one, i just need help to know where to upload the file and what would be the cmd line
[21:06:57] <emmanuel>	mathieu_: Did you find a way around that ?
[21:07:09] <mathieu__>	emmanuel:
[21:07:11] <mathieu__>	yep
[21:07:27] <urbanvampire_>	mathieu__ ok, I'll ask the other way: Linux? Which distribution?
[21:07:50] <mathieu__>	emmanuel: I reinstalled 1.15 on a different directory from scratch and simply pointed to my old database
[21:08:24] <mathieu__>	emmanuel: I just had to transfer the few extensions I had and adjust the localsettings file
[21:08:32] <mathieu__>	takes 10 minutes
[21:08:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create new namespace on arwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19357  (10meno25wiki)
[21:08:37] <emmanuel>	So it might be that I use old directories, with stuff in them
[21:08:51] <emmanuel>	ok I'll try that
[21:08:56] <mathieu__>	don't know. probably.
[21:09:00] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Set project namespace of Portuguese Wikibooks to "Wikilivros" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19364  +comment (10rhalsell)
[21:09:06] <emmanuel>	thanks
[21:09:33] <mathieu__>	emmanuel: oh, wait... the new database must have 41 tables, because 1.14 runs with only 38 tables
[21:09:58] <mathieu__>	emmanuel: so I guess it wasn't that easy
[21:10:34] <RobH>	bah
[21:10:42] <RobH>	where do folks set the project page titles?
[21:10:43] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52323 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/check-blacklist.php: Update check blacklist
[21:10:49] <RobH>	like on http://pt.wikibooks.org/wiki/F%C3%ADsica
[21:10:54] <emmanuel>	mathieu_: ok I'll check that as well
[21:10:58] <mathieu__>	urbanvampire_: it's  a VDS, linux, red hat fedora 7
[21:10:59] <RobH>	the dude wants it to be localized for the wikibooks part
[21:11:09] <emmanuel>	mathieu_: thanks
[21:11:15] *RobH 	has a feeling this has no business in his shell request ticket
[21:12:06] <Simetrical>	RobH, what do you mean, project page titles?
[21:12:12] <RobH>	bah, i think i found it
[21:12:14] <RobH>	Special:Allmessages
[21:12:22] <mathieu__>	emmanuel: did you have thumbnails working on 1.13?
[21:12:25] <Simetrical>	What bug is this?
[21:12:25] <RobH>	the guy is asking how to change the title of the pages seen throughout the wiki
[21:12:32] <RobH>	why he put it on my shell bug, i think he was desperate
[21:12:43] <RobH>	Simetrical: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19364
[21:12:44] <emmanuel>	mathieu_: Yes everything was fine
[21:13:33] <Simetrical>	Oh, that.
[21:13:34] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[21:13:37] <RobH>	yea
[21:13:41] <RobH>	its special:allmessages
[21:13:44] <RobH>	yay me....
[21:13:45] <mathieu__>	emmanuel: how did you get them working? I don't remember how I setup ImageMagick :(
[21:14:08] <Simetrical>	Special:AllMessages is just a list of messages.
[21:14:34] <emmanuel>	mathieu_: I don't think I had anythig to do, as ImageMagick was by default in my php installation, sorry
[21:14:44] <mathieu__>	umm. thanks!
[21:14:45] <RobH>	Simetrical: bah, true
[21:14:50] <RobH>	he wants to know where they can change it
[21:14:58] <Simetrical>	http://pt.wikibooks.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Pagetitle
[21:15:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set project namespace of Portuguese Wikibooks to "Wikilivros" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19364  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:15:24] <RobH>	Simetrical: you rock
[21:15:31] <emmanuel>	mathieu_: I personnaly would go for recompiling php if you need, because imho adding extensions to php can be a terrble mess...
[21:16:19] <mathieu__>	emmanuel: funny, I just turned the $wgUseImageMagick to false, and now it's working :)
[21:16:44] <emmanuel>	mathieu_: That-s strange ! but if it works...
[21:16:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set project namespace of Portuguese Wikibooks to "Wikilivros" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19364  +comment (10rhalsell)
[21:19:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transfer of Mot�: lemmata from wa.wiki to wa.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17547  (10rhalsell)
[21:20:16] <blue_asterisk>	if anybody is interested, I solved the dumpBackup.php problem
[21:20:56] <blue_asterisk>	dumpBackup.php (for my version at least) requires install-utils.inc
[21:21:43] <blue_asterisk>	I had previously deleted it because it didn't seem to be necessary to be in the webroot
[21:24:14] <blue_asterisk>	sql backup for wikis with utf8-titles sucks
[21:24:27] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Set project namespace of Portuguese Wikibooks to "Wikilivros" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19364  +comment (10heldergeovane)
[21:24:29] <blue_asterisk>	and actually in my case it does not work
[21:24:49] <blue_asterisk>	I am going the xml dumps route
[21:25:05] <blue_asterisk>	hopefully this will work instead
[21:25:35] <blue_asterisk>	maybe it's a known bug; not sure
[21:30:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  +comment (10circee)
[21:33:25] <Alphos>	hi guys
[21:36:02] <Alphos>	do you have any idea why TOCs don't show up for unregistered users on a mediawiki 1.15.0rc1, even with __TOC__ or __FORCETOC__ in the wikicode of a page ?
[21:38:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Allpages for namespace 0 sometimes shows project namespace pages (namespaceDupes.php?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16514  +comment (10rhalsell)
[21:38:42] <Alphos>	(firefox, chrome, IE7 tested, yet the html source code does show up the toc table element, that seems hidden, i wonder if it's not a css problem... with common and monobook css+js)
[21:39:41] <Simetrical>	Alphos, is there a user preference to disable TOCs that's enabled on your wiki by default, maybe?
[21:40:10] <scoobyrico>	sorry if this is an easy find, but what extention would you use if you wanted to have a 'report abuse' link on a page?  I just haven found the right wording for the searches
[21:40:34] <Alphos>	tried that too, wgDefaultUserSettings['showtoc'] is 1 in DefaultSettings, and not set in Localsettings
[21:40:40] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52324 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (20 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-06-23 21:35 UTC)
[21:41:36] <Alphos>	i wonder if it's the same problem, section numerotation in the rendered html isn't done either
[21:42:30] <Alphos>	scoobyrico i don't recall of any extension that would do that
[21:42:59] <Alphos>	simple way would be to simply poke someone who can do it on his talkpage ^^'
[21:43:28] <Alphos>	best way would be to use FlaggedRevs
[21:44:17] <Alphos>	any other idea Simetrical ? ^^'
[21:44:21] <scoobyrico>	thanks Alphos, I was feeling super noobish in not finding that.
[21:44:33] <Alphos>	you're wlecome ^^
[21:44:49] <Alphos>	there is NOT an extension for everything in MW ^^'
[21:45:50] <scoobyrico>	true, though IMHO, I thought that would have been a common thing.  Shows how much my opinion is worth ;~) 
[21:46:52] <Alphos>	well, it's more of a forum thing, not really a wiki
[21:47:15] <scoobyrico>	agreed
[21:47:46] <Alphos>	besides, versions are (hopefully for you) frequently updated, so "abused" pages are shortly "not abused anymore"
[21:51:18] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52325 10/trunk/extensions/ (96 files in 86 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-06-23 21:35 UTC)
[21:52:51] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52326 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Core changes for r52307
[21:57:41] <blue_asterisk>	argh
[21:58:42] <blue_asterisk>	utf8-titled pages don't work via import of XML dump either
[22:01:54] <Alphos>	Simetrical actually i seem to have defined wgDefaultUserOptions =array(something) somewhere in the LocalSettings
[22:02:15] <Alphos>	if you have a rope, I'd be glad to use it, if you don't mind ...
[22:02:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) English Wikipedia dump has a wrong size - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19242  +comment (10tfinc)
[22:03:35] <werdna>	Alphos: having written a great deal of the current preferences code, I'll check out your question
[22:04:00] <Alphos>	werdna don't mind, i'm just dumb ^^'
[22:04:11] <werdna>	oic
[22:04:14] <werdna>	I just read that.
[22:04:23] <Alphos>	I overrid the whole DefaultSettings array in LocalSettings...
[22:04:45] <Alphos>	when I say I'm dumb, I really mean I really am :D
[22:05:30] <CIA-58>	03dale * r52327 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed removed transition export bug
[22:06:29] <charitwo>	what's the best way to link a MediaWiki:Grouppage-foo to something other than a wiki page ?
[22:07:14] <^demon>	Like an ext. link? Not sure you can.
[22:12:01] <fogus2>	can mediawiki email page change notifications?
[22:13:23] <Alphos>	fogus2 yes
[22:13:52] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) edit captions and hotspots not appearing on sub sections next to pictures - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19365  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:13:57] <charitwo>	^demon: well, it's part of the same domain, just not the wiki
[22:14:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:14:12] <Alphos>	fogus2 take a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions
[22:14:33] <fogus2>	Alphos: shouldn't that be on the feature list then? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_feature_list
[22:14:59] <Alphos>	it should
[22:15:50] <fogus2>	Alphos: I don't see "email" on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions anywhere
[22:15:53] <Alphos>	but you also can take a look at the bugzilla... if every feature was listed, the page would be over 2 Mo long :D
[22:16:07] <Alphos>	fogus2 it's enotif something
[22:16:13] <Alphos>	look for enotif
[22:16:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create mailing list for the board of Wikimedia Finland - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19366  +comment (10cbass)
[22:16:39] <fogus2>	Alphos: I see "enotifwatchlistpages".  what is that?
[22:17:01] <fogus2>	Alphos: does the "e" stand for email?
[22:17:15] <Alphos>	to get an E-mail NOTIFication if PAGES from your WATCHLIST are modified ;)
[22:17:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disabled fields in filter detail view difficult to read - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19266  (10matthew.britton)
[22:17:31] <Alphos>	E NOTIF WATCHLIST PAGES
[22:17:32] <fogus2>	how do you know that?
[22:17:49] <Alphos>	i read the manual :/
[22:17:52] <fogus2>	what if it is just "e-notifications"?
[22:18:06] <Alphos>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnotifWatchlist
[22:18:22] <Alphos>	i'm not *that* dumb ^^'
[22:18:47] <fogus2>	I see
[22:19:03] <Alphos>	e-notifications, i wonder what that might be... :/
[22:22:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make user IDs more readily available with the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19195  (10matthew.britton)
[22:22:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editingcomment and Newsectionsummary not change according to the language chosen by the user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19363  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:26:18] <Subfader>	I know MW is not made for page restrictions but I want to hide the source acces for protected pages. I'm editing OutputPage.php but I only can hide it at all using $protected but the source should display for IP's (who can't edit) on non-protected pages. http://dpaste.org/RTUH/ any hint?
[22:27:23] <CIA-58>	03brion * r52328 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Add some more doc comment for $wgHTTPProxy
[22:28:38] <fogus2>	can media wiki be used effectivly as a discussion topic board?
[22:28:49] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52329 10/branches/maintenance-work/maintenance/ (8 files): 
[22:28:49] <CIA-58>	* Port deleteImageMemcached, populateLogSearch, runJobs, sql, undelete, updateSpecialPages
[22:28:49] <CIA-58>	* Add generic batch size param
[22:29:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Link to log of a .pdf file should not have PDF icon - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17124  (10matthew.britton)
[22:29:44] <Subfader>	fogus2: not really as a forum. there is an extension though (AWCforum) but it sucks.
[22:29:55] <werdna>	fogus2: I'm actually assigned to a project to make it suitable
[22:30:01] <werdna>	Prototype at http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Talk:Main_Page
[22:30:26] <werdna>	It's gonna change dramatically in the coming weeks, but it's available as the LiquidThreads extension.
[22:31:03] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52330 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/IEFixes.js: Added optional parameter to fixalpha to support using it with skins which have different ID naming schemes
[22:31:13] <Subfader>	werdna: will it look less like like a discussion page and more like a real forum?
[22:31:38] <Subfader>	I think aboutinstalling AWCforum on my big wiki but it's a mess and hard to customize.
[22:31:54] <werdna>	Subfader: look at LiquidThreads
[22:32:15] <Subfader>	yes I know it. it looks "not so good" ;)
[22:32:23] <werdna>	well, I need to make it better
[22:32:30] <werdna>	constructive criticism is more than welcome
[22:32:51] <Subfader>	have you seen AWCforum? function-wise it rocks
[22:33:09] <Simetrical>	werdna, UI suggestion: reduce vertical whitespace.  If it supports fewer comments per screen than current talk pages, people will complain about the extra scrolling.
[22:33:19] <Simetrical>	You can probably fit the controls off on the side or something.
[22:33:54] <werdna>	Simetrical: yeah, that makes sense
[22:34:20] <Simetrical>	.lqt_post { margin-bottom: 2em; padding-bottom: 0.5em; } = lots of whitespace, too.
[22:34:27] <Subfader>	ok I guess it will simply just replace the old talk pages and not add a real forum?
[22:34:44] <werdna>	well that's the plan.
[22:34:46] <Simetrical>	Subfader, not a real forum like on a phpBB level, obviously.
[22:34:51] <Simetrical>	Or non-obviously.
[22:34:56] <werdna>	If you want a real forum, install a real forum.
[22:35:00] <Simetrical>	The needs are very different.
[22:35:18] <Simetrical>	Real forums focus on communication and social interaction as their primary goal, on wikis it's only means to an end.
[22:35:34] <werdna>	LiquidThreads is about integrating with MediaWiki (although you wouldn't know it from the code)
[22:35:57] <Simetrical>	werdna, hey, it's one of the few GSOC projects we've gotten *anything* usable out of.
[22:36:24] <Simetrical>	The guy I'm mentoring has so far done this: http://github.com/wuzhe/img-daemon
[22:36:52] <Simetrical>	That's . . . nine commits.
[22:36:59] <Simetrical>	In over a month.
[22:37:20] <werdna>	Simetrical: it's still pretty hideous code. The code lacks any consistent indentation/whitespace style, frequently starting if blocks on the same line as the previous statement, failing to indent, randomly including two statements on the same line, no consistent brace style.
[22:37:30] <Simetrical>	werdna, stylize.php?
[22:37:34] <werdna>	It's full of hard-coded HTML and I fixed at least 2 XSS bugs today.
[22:38:08] <werdna>	He's reimplemented swathes of mediawiki, uses no consistent variable naming, including names like 'oatrl'
[22:38:17] <werdna>	'ts' for 'threads', stuff like that
[22:38:31] <Simetrical>	oatrl
[22:38:33] <Simetrical>	Awesome.
[22:38:41] <Simetrical>	At least he doesn't call everything "otmp" like NetHack does, right?
[22:38:53] <werdna>	hehe
[22:39:09] <fogus2>	werdna: I'm tired of trying to get twiki to work.  it won't run properly
[22:39:24] <fogus2>	werdna: but I need a discussion board
[22:39:27] <vvv>	Simetrical: NetHack?
[22:39:50] <Simetrical>	vvv, yes.
[22:40:08] <vvv>	Simetrical: who/what's that?
[22:40:17] <fogus2>	anyone know of a good web based discussion board software for apache on linux?
[22:40:40] <werdna>	Then he's implemented his own buggy and confusing pagers, blah blah blah
[22:40:47] <blue_asterisk>	fogus2: vbulletin
[22:40:52] <Simetrical>	vvv, http://tinyurl.com/ln2c39 ;)
[22:41:06] <Simetrical>	vvv, computer game, Rogue-like.
[22:41:14] <Simetrical>	I've ascended three times.
[22:42:02] <Alphos>	fogus2 phpBB, invision power board, vBulletin, ...
[22:42:04] <brion>	hmm, is there a rogue for iphone?
[22:42:18] <werdna>	Simetrical: and then he's balking at stylistic approaches he objects to, like the fact that EVERY global definition has // TODO global beside it
[22:42:27] <werdna>	THAT IS NOT YOUR MAIN CODE STYLE PROBLEM
[22:42:40] <Simetrical>	Well, he apparently didn't get much mentoring.
[22:43:07] <Simetrical>	His mentor was Brion, I think.  David complained that he didn't seem to have a lot of time.  Surprise, surprise.
[22:43:17] <brion>	:(
[22:43:28] <Simetrical>	:(
[22:43:30] <brion>	musta been too busy playing rogue
[22:43:34] <werdna>	hehe
[22:44:05] <Simetrical>	I'm happy to say I have more than enough time to mentor my GSOC student, since he's contacted me . . . never.
[22:44:10] <Simetrical>	Except to reply when I poked him a couple of times.
[22:44:23] <Simetrical>	And he doesn't seem to have written much code to review, either.
[22:44:24] <werdna>	I don't have a GSOC student
[22:44:31] <werdna>	do I still get a t-shirt at the end?
[22:44:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tables not existing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19358  (10balbinder.flora)
[22:45:00] <Simetrical>	And what code he has written isn't documented.
[22:45:00] <brion>	yessss there's a rogue port, which displays ascii chars, and saves my game when i return to home screen
[22:45:14] <werdna>	David's code is good from an architecural point of view, to be fair.
[22:45:24] <werdna>	It's got a nice class structure, generally speaking.
[22:45:28] <^demon>	werdna: At least you didn't have to re-think his entire implementation.
[22:45:29] <brion>	Simetrical: sometimes we need to poke them more directly ourselves :)
[22:45:30] <Simetrical>	werdna, I recall his schema being somewhat sketchy.
[22:45:42] <werdna>	He just has lots of bugs and such.
[22:45:46] <Simetrical>	From an efficiency standpoint.
[22:45:54] <werdna>	Simetrical: It seems adequate at the moment, I'll reviw it for performance when I get there.
[22:46:09] <werdna>	at the moment I'm focussing on functionality
[22:46:26] <werdna>	I want a nice, pretty, secure discussion system
[22:46:37] <werdna>	then we can work out what's necessary to get it to run acceptably on Wikimedia sites.
[22:46:47] <werdna>	it uses subqueries in some places, these need replacing
[22:47:56] <Simetrical>	I recall stuff like querying giant result sets and throwing everything away, and having totally inadequate indexes, but it's been a while.
[22:49:06] <werdna>	yes, I think I've seen hints of that
[22:49:24] <Simetrical>	Easier than starting from scratch, though?
[22:49:25] <werdna>	There's a great piece of code that I saw and tried to rewrite, but I ended up throwing out the code tht needed it anyway
[22:49:29] <werdna>	Right.
[22:49:56] <Simetrical>	Then that's good.
[22:50:26] <werdna>	Need to verify that there are no callers: http://pastebin.ca/1471755
[22:50:56] <werdna>	Figures out which months an article has threads by pulling all threads, looping through and storing all the unique months it finds.
[22:51:15] <Simetrical>	That might have been what I saw.
[22:51:43] <werdna>	This is some of what I mean about poor if() style
[22:51:44] <werdna>	#
[22:51:44] <werdna>	-                     if ( !array_key_exists( $m, $months ) ) {
[22:51:44] <werdna>	#
[22:51:44] <werdna>	-                            if ( !in_array( $m, $months ) ) $months[] = $m;
[22:51:54] <werdna>	- }
[22:52:02] <werdna>	(I added that last })
[22:52:44] <Simetrical>	You know . . . where *is* stylize.php?
[22:52:48] <Simetrical>	I can't find it in trunk.
[22:53:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creation of namespace 'Portal' at bar.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16290  +comment (10brion)
[22:53:13] <werdna>	andrew-macbook:wm-svn andrew$ find . -name stylize.php
[22:53:18] <werdna>	waiting...
[22:53:24] <werdna>	./tools/stylize.php
[22:53:24] <Simetrical>	Returned nothing.
[22:53:26] <Simetrical>	. . .
[22:53:38] <werdna>	it's /trunk/tools/stylize.php :)
[22:53:46] <Simetrical>	$ ls
[22:53:46] <Simetrical>	debs  extensions  phase3
[22:53:47] <Simetrical>	???
[22:54:12] <Simetrical>	You know, I think I was on a branch.
[22:54:13] <werdna>	obviously you haven't checked out /trunk/tools
[22:54:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) JavaScript functioning halted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19369 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (blurpeace)
[22:54:49] <Simetrical>	Fast-forwarded master to refs/remotes/REL1_13.
[22:54:52] <Simetrical>	Now there's your problem.
[22:55:13] <werdna>	hehe
[22:55:17] <^demon>	"At around 5:31 PM CST, Wikipedia's JS has stopped functioning. (extensions and templates that use JS have ceased to function)"
[22:55:55] <vvv>	^demon: ?
[22:56:03] <^demon>	vvv: see new bug :)
[22:56:59] <Simetrical>	werdna, well, it's a good thing tools isn't branched, or I'd have committed style fixes to 1.13.  :)
[22:57:08] <werdna>	:)
[22:57:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript functioning halted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19369  15enhancement->major; normal->high (10blurpeace)
[22:58:13] *^demon 	waits for major->blocker
[22:59:14] *werdna 	looks into it
[22:59:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript functioning halted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19369  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:59:38] <^demon>	werdna: My user JS worksforme. Just commented asking for more info from him...he just said it's broken.
[22:59:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript functioning halted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19369  +comment (10agarrett)
[23:00:02] <werdna>	Probably a broken user script
[23:00:24] <Alphos>	couldn't it be a problem with his browser ? ^^
[23:00:49] <Alphos>	FFox updated recently, might have deactivated JS during the update
[23:01:12] <Alphos>	ctrl-F5 could solve it, too... :/
[23:02:21] <OverlordQ>	not working for me either fwiw :)
[23:04:45] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) JavaScript functioning halted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19369  +comment (10agarrett)
[23:05:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade to the latest version of GeSHi (1.0.8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10967  (10brion)
[23:05:35] <werdna>	OverlordQ: disable twinkle, try again
[23:07:56] <OverlordQ>	didn't help
[23:08:20] <OverlordQ>	have to disable friendly as well, since it includes twinkles morebits
[23:08:27] <werdna>	looks like it may have been a dependency change
[23:09:17] *OverlordQ 	goes to trout Animum
[23:09:24] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Many MediaWiki: messages not safe in XHTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212  +comment (10brion)
[23:09:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XHTML compliance (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209  (10brion)
[23:09:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Many MediaWiki: messages not safe in XHTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212  (10brion)
[23:09:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mechanism to find usages of raw-html messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19291  +comment (10brion)
[23:10:04] <CIA-58>	03dale * r52331 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/example_usage/ (6 files in 2 dirs): updated timed text example
[23:15:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) set $wgLogo for fywikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19328  (10aliter)
[23:21:30] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52332 10/branches/maintenance-work/ (232 files in 18 dirs): Merge from trunk (r52011-r52330)
[23:21:49] <^demon>	Well that was fun.
[23:22:28] <werdna>	^demon: why do you do incremental merges?
[23:22:34] <werdna>	I do it all in one go
[23:22:39] <werdna>	incremental merges confuse svn
[23:23:01] <Skizzerz>	yet another reason to switch to git?
[23:23:05] <Skizzerz>	:)
[23:23:19] <vvv-away>	werdna: to prevent email client from hanging?
[23:24:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editingcomment and Newsectionsummary not change according to the language chosen by the user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19363  (10heldergeovane)
[23:24:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple search terms are not enforced properly for Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8445  +comment (10brion)
[23:25:51] <werdna>	vvv-away: ?
[23:25:58] <werdna>	what's an email client got to do with it?
[23:29:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editingcomment and Newsectionsummary not change according to the language chosen by the user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19363  (10innocentkiller)
[23:29:37] <Skizzerz>	werdna: care to check out r52301 by the way? it's a followup to the past commit I had that you marked fixme (the one where I removed the shortcut necessary for wikimedia to run quickly)
[23:29:50] <^demon>	werdna: Big merges and siebrand's commits crash our e-mail clients.
[23:31:37] <werdna>	^demon: who still reads mediawiki-svn in their mail client?
[23:31:51] <^demon>	I read mediawiki-svn in my browser, personally.
[23:32:20] <werdna>	+				foreach( array_keys( $wgRevokePermissions ) as $group ) {
[23:32:26] <werdna>	+					if( !empty( $wgRevokePermissions[$group]['read'] ) ) {
[23:32:55] <werdna>	that could be much simpler -- just foreach( $wgRevokePermissions as $group => $perms ), array_filter $perms, and check with in_array
[23:35:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) set $wgLogo for fywikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19328  (10mike.lifeguard)
[23:35:17] <werdna>	Skizzerz: 
[23:35:21] <Skizzerz>	yeah?
[23:35:31] <werdna>	see above
[23:35:33] <Skizzerz>	yeah
[23:35:43] <Skizzerz>	I'm benchmarking it to see if it makes a difference
[23:36:07] <werdna>	it's more a code style thing
[23:36:10] <werdna>	it just looks nicer
[23:36:20] <werdna>	and it makes it clearer
[23:36:29] <Skizzerz>	yeah
[23:36:36] <Skizzerz>	but not necessarily faster :)
[23:36:50] <werdna>	it isn't performance-critical
[23:37:05] <werdna>	the rest of the method is because it's 1/ called repeatedly and 2/ involves DB queries and such
[23:37:32] *^demon 	wonders what MW would look like if the entire thing was optimized for speed
[23:37:36] <Skizzerz>	it's in a static anyway, so it should only be executed once
[23:37:45] <Skizzerz>	^demon: well, it would probably run faster
[23:37:50] <charitwo>	^demon: chick?
[23:38:03] *^demon 	thinks it wouldn't be in PHP
[23:39:03] <werdna>	blargh this cold/flu is persistent
[23:46:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple search terms are not enforced properly for Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8445  (10jidanni)
[23:48:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editingcomment and Newsectionsummary not change according to the language chosen by the user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19363  (10heldergeovane)