[00:00:31] <prefrontal_>	thats a very reasoned opinion, similar to your opinion of michael jackson
[00:00:41] <prefrontal_>	"one plastic dude is "dead" and everyone needs to edit about this?"       "it sucks & so does M$"
[00:02:14] <hippietrail>	i wish it were msie that had died instead
[00:02:27] <prefrontal_>	lol
[00:02:57] <prefrontal_>	now i would assume that the addportlet code worked in IE6 - it was written a few years ago 
[00:03:44] <hippietrail>	ive even grabbed the resulting innerHTML to compare and the only differences is that my portlet doesnt have id's for each list item and the standard ones have lang="en" xml:lang=en for each h5
[00:04:08] <hippietrail>	but i can't find any logic in any of the css based on list id's or h5 lang's
[00:05:39] <hippietrail>	all i can think is their might be some msie fixup css hidden somewhere
[00:06:11] <prefrontal_>	but - did you try my suggestion? try IE6/7/8
[00:06:16] <hippietrail>	the visual differences are that the generated portlets lack the white box around them and their h5s are much too big
[00:06:35] <hippietrail>	i only have access to ie6. sorry i missed your comment
[00:07:09] <prefrontal_>	you're using addPortletLink right?
[00:07:12] <hippietrail>	im rolling my own portlet code too. the only "standard" portlet code i saw just added a list item not a whole portlet
[00:09:39] <hippietrail>	the code is part of this wiktionary extension: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Hippietrail/nearbypages-alpha.js
[00:43:31] <Blink^^^>	anyone here know how to combine phpfox and mediawiki?
[00:49:43] <TomV_415>	Are there any mediawiki user groups in the San Francisco Bay area or silicon valley?
[00:50:45] <TomV_415>	(searching on google for "mediawiki" user groups gets' lots of stuff about setting user group permissions...
[00:52:05] <TomV_415>	http://www.mwusers.com/ looks like a good resource.
[00:52:08] <Annemarie>	I don't think there are any MediaWiki user groups anywhere in real life.
[00:52:13] <GreenReaper>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/San_Francisco
[00:52:16] <Annemarie>	God, what would you discuss? The parser?
[00:52:30] <Annemarie>	Uses of the pipe trick?
[00:52:55] <GreenReaper>	Lead pipe to the head of vandals? ;-)
[00:53:57] <TomV_415>	I"m actually looking for technical writers in the bay area that are familiar with wikis - there's lots of best practices to share and learn about organizing your writing for wikis. (topic based writing, etc.)
[00:54:40] <TomV_415>	GreenReaper: Thanks!  Two meetups this year - that's encouraging.
[00:55:38] <GreenReaper>	The people who attended them might be interested, you could drop them a note on their talk pages.
[00:55:51] <TomV_415>	Whoops, that's for wikipedians...
[00:56:02] <TomV_415>	still, you are right about that.
[01:28:47] <Suiseiseki>	test
[01:29:26] <LauraHale>	west
[01:29:57] <Annemarie>	best
[01:30:51] <LauraHale>	jest
[01:31:07] <Annemarie>	fest
[01:32:02] <OverlordQ>	apple
[01:33:39] <Annemarie>	Oh my. Simetrical is poking the bear.
[01:33:53] <Annemarie>	(Regarding your wikitech-l post.)
[02:48:49] <mshadle>	did $wgHooks['UserLoadFromSession'] get changed recently?
[02:49:12] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52430 10/tags/extensions/SemanticForms/REL_1_7_2/: Tag for version 1.7.2
[02:52:39] <Splarka>	mshadle: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=34772  ?
[02:54:12] <mshadle>	odd, so im using what supposedly is the newer one.
[02:54:56] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52431 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/SpecialReplaceText.php: Fix for search strings for page titles containing spaces
[02:54:57] <mshadle>	$wgHooks['loadFromSession'][] = 'Custom_Authentication';
[02:55:03] <mshadle>	so would that work then?
[02:55:07] <mshadle>	this worked previously
[02:56:11] <spvensko>	is mediawiki suited for use by a single person as a way to organize information with a pretty interface?
[02:56:31] <Splarka>	no, but everybody does it anyway
[02:56:52] <spvensko>	do you have a better suggestion?
[02:57:23] <Splarka>	well, it'll work fine, it is just rather heavy
[02:57:44] <spvensko>	heavy? resource hog? steep learning curve?
[02:58:08] <Splarka>	yes, all that
[02:58:11] <GreenReaper>	Pretty much all of the above. It's not intended as a single user CMS
[02:58:20] <Splarka>	are you going to put it on the web?
[02:58:43] <spvensko>	no...
[02:58:55] <spvensko>	i'm essentially going to be using it as a personal LIMS for grad school
[02:59:10] <Splarka>	what OS/platform?
[02:59:23] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52432 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ (README ReplaceText.php): New version: 0.6.5
[03:00:21] <spvensko>	Linux
[03:00:27] <spvensko>	specifically TinyCoreLinux
[03:00:50] <spvensko>	i was thinking about making one with python since i just finished reading a book on it
[03:01:56] <Splarka>	well, probably the best reason to use MediaWiki for such a project is if you are already familiar with it
[03:02:19] <spvensko>	i'm having to read a book on it to become familiar with it since my current lab manager insists on using it as a lab-wide LIMS
[03:02:44] <Splarka>	(which is a big reason why it gets (ab)used for blogs, news aggregation, forums, support, documentation, CMS, and lots of other weird stuff)
[03:03:11] <Splarka>	spvensko: ever edited a page on Wikipedia?
[03:03:16] <spvensko>	there is actually a company that is basically doing what i'm trying to do
[03:03:18] <spvensko>	no
[03:03:55] <spvensko>	http://blog.bioteam.net/tag/wikilims/
[03:05:08] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52433 10/tags/extensions/ReplaceText/REL_0_6_5/: Tag for version 0.6.5
[03:06:30] <Splarka>	well, that might be a rather good reason to install a personal mediawiki, so you can learn how to use it without experimenting on the lab's install
[03:07:17] <spvensko>	it's actually been suggested to use the lab's install
[03:07:29] <spvensko>	as we are experimenting with integrating programs into it currently
[03:09:01] <spvensko>	from what this book was saying it sounds like mediawiki is higly refined, lightweight, etc. etc. but i guess that may just be propaganda
[03:10:22] <Splarka>	for the #8 website in the world, it is highly refined and lightweight
[03:10:45] <Splarka>	a few dozens of machines and two or three million a year
[03:10:47] <spvensko>	well i meant the actual client :P
[03:11:33] <Splarka>	but compared to a text editor it is a medium sized whale
[03:11:56] <spvensko>	ha
[03:12:42] <Dantman>	Splarka, ;) and if you include extensions it's the full deal
[03:14:28] <Splarka>	though if you want a combination of a pretty skin, a view/edit UI that a large fraction of the population of the planet has dealt with at some level, full versioning of all changes to infinity, and extendable in the sense that, for most of the things you might want to do with the data or UI, there is probably an extension to do just that somewhere... 
[03:15:26] <Splarka>	oh hell.. the thing is, people often come in and say "convince me to use MediaWiki" and then later "you aren't selling this very well", the problem is, the developers don't really care that much if people use it or not
[03:16:05] <Splarka>	most are volunteers working from their own agenda or from the Wikimedia perspective, and the few paid or contracted ones from WMF are all paid for by a non profit org
[03:16:54] <Splarka>	I suppose a few people have a stake in the popularity, like Wikia developers... the more people that start to use MediaWiki, the more popular wikis they can import (as there will be a bigger pool)
[03:17:06] <Splarka>	</rant>
[03:20:22] <GreenReaper>	I dunno, the more people using it, the less need there is for their services in general.
[03:22:50] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: well, for example, say a fan site is going to set up a wiki for their fandom
[03:23:09] <GreenReaper>	As more people gain MediaWiki experience, you end up with more WikiFurs striking it out on their own. Which I think we can all agree is a terrifying idea, but there you go. ;-)
[03:23:13] <Splarka>	if they choose mediawiki, and find their host bogged and db bloated, they can easily be brought into Wikia
[03:23:42] <Splarka>	yes yes, the transformers left too, heh
[03:24:31] <GreenReaper>	They forgot to take the Source with them!
[03:24:49] <prefrontal_home>	what do you guys think about Extension:Lua?
[03:25:01] <GreenReaper>	Or the Allspark or whatever they call it.
[03:25:18] <prefrontal_home>	It seems easy enough to read. certainly an improvement over ParserFunctions/StringFunctions
[03:25:40] <prefrontal_home>	i have been writing some of the nastiest looking PF statements lately. they are only surpassed by the ones you can find on the english wikipedia
[03:25:56] <prefrontal_home>	has anyone tried this extension? or knows how to code in Lua? (looks to be quite basic)
[03:26:27] <GreenReaper>	If your code is that complex, you might be better off writing your own extensions.
[03:26:38] <prefrontal_home>	that's not a viable solution for community websites
[03:27:37] <prefrontal_home>	and there are lots of trivial-seeming situations that you shouldn't have to extend mediawiki for
[03:28:38] <prefrontal_home>	in fact, asking people to extend mediawiki is dangerous as compared to them using a sandboxed interpreted language within mediawiki itself
[03:28:49] <prefrontal_home>	extending mediawiki is in invitation for introducing security vulterabilities
[03:32:52] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r52434 10/trunk/extensions/DynamicPageList/ (10 files): 
[03:32:52] <CIA-58>	Update the DPL codebase to 1.8.6.
[03:32:52] <CIA-58>	code based on Gero aka Algorithmix
[03:57:04] <agliodbs>	I'm having a strange issue where, when I change the wgLogo to my chosen logo, the whole mediawiki home page doesn't load
[03:57:13] <agliodbs>	what's likely to be the problem?
[03:58:43] <GreenReaper>	Missing a ' or a ;
[03:59:07] <GreenReaper>	that is, the LocalSettings.php is now an invalid PHP file so it crashed.
[03:59:39] <agliodbs>	yeah, that would be it
[03:59:40] <agliodbs>	thanks
[03:59:44] <GreenReaper>	No problem.
[03:59:54] <GreenReaper>	You can get more detailed errors if you turn them on.
[03:59:55] <agliodbs>	I can see why MW is the most popular wiki
[04:00:03] <agliodbs>	elapsed setup time, 18 minutes
[04:00:40] <agliodbs>	anyway, you just helped the San Francisco Open Data Project, so you can feel good about it
[04:00:41] <agliodbs>	thanks
[04:00:58] <GreenReaper>	No problem.
[04:01:32] <GreenReaper>	Useful debugging statements
[04:01:41] <GreenReaper>	error_reporting(E_ALL);
[04:01:41] <GreenReaper>	ini_set('display_errors', 1);
[04:01:41] <GreenReaper>	$wgShowExceptionDetails = true;
[04:01:53] <GreenReaper>	but probably best not to have them enabled all the time on a public wiki. :-)
[04:02:16] <GreenReaper>	They have to be above where you actually run into a problem - I normally put them at the top of LocalSettings.php
[04:08:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make section edit links more usable/understandable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11270  +comment (10public)
[04:09:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make section edit links more usable/understandable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11270  (10public)
[04:09:43] <Annemarie>	Splarka: ^
[04:14:54] *Splarka 	wonders wtf is confusing about section [edit]
[04:15:19] <Splarka>	yes, saw the revert, but that is only temporary
[04:15:28] <Splarka>	until Simmy and Roan can figure it out
[04:16:13] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52435 10/branches/maintenance-work/ (38 files in 3 dirs): 
[04:16:13] <CIA-58>	* Rename addParam() to addOption() for consistency
[04:16:13] <CIA-58>	* Port rebuildall (refreshLinks not done, only partially works), rebuildtextindex, rebuildrecentchanges, populateCategory, deleteArchivedRevisions
[04:16:13] <CIA-58>	* Go back to using $self as a b/c way for $maintenance->getName()
[04:16:20] <Splarka>	hmm
[04:16:20] <Splarka>	[21:46:57] <Simetrical>	(Silly Trevor, using child selectors as though this were 2009 instead of 2001.)
[04:16:21] <Splarka>	[21:47:54] <Simetrical>	They . . . kind of don't work in IE6.  :)
[04:16:31] <Splarka>	I reported they don't work in IE5 actually, do they not work in IE6 too?
[04:22:34] <chuck>	heh
[04:23:10] <hippietrail>	i hate ie6
[04:23:22] <agliodbs>	GreenReaper: thanks
[04:23:45] <chuck>	yeah, using brand new things that are barely even implemented in Safari and Firefox probably isn't a good idea for a skin meant to be usable
[04:23:55] <hippietrail>	i cannot track down why portlets created by js don't look like the normal ones on ie but do on other browsers
[04:24:28] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) The <pre>/<div> tag around GeSHi-highlighted code does not have a class "source" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11274  +comment (10herd)
[04:25:12] <Splarka>	hippietrail: where is such an example of a native/js portlet?
[04:26:06] <hippietrail>	Splarka: the ones i refer to as native are generated by the normal php code. the ones i refer to as js are ones im making with js code i wrote
[04:27:03] <Splarka>	yes
[04:27:04] <Splarka>	where?
[04:27:07] <Splarka>	wiktionary?
[04:28:19] <hippietrail>	yes
[04:28:47] <hippietrail>	http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Connel_MacKenzie/Preferences
[04:29:19] <hippietrail>	turn on "Add links to previous and next pages." and "Use the preferences set on this page"
[04:30:10] <hippietrail>	then go to any normal page
[04:32:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade to the latest version of GeSHi (1.0.8) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10967  (10herd)
[04:32:52] <agliodbs>	gods ... too many skins
[04:32:58] *agliodbs 	decides not to skin
[04:32:59] <agliodbs>	good night
[04:35:12] <Splarka>	hippietrail: too much work, can you make a minimal test case?
[04:35:28] <Splarka>	also per 10967, why is it so hard to understand
[04:35:32] *Splarka 	stabs everyone
[04:36:21] <hippietrail>	Splarka: probably not right now. im on holiday with only a 7 inch netbook )-:
[04:36:28] *hippietrail 	stabs msie6
[04:36:31] <Splarka>	sigh
[04:36:38] <Splarka>	okay, where is the code for the new portlets?
[04:37:36] <hippietrail>	http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Hippietrail/nearbypages.js
[04:38:28] <hippietrail>	line 137
[04:39:34] <Splarka>	mmm, hmm
[04:40:03] <Splarka>	have you tried with/without IE60 fixes? (obviously it would be horribly broken, but wondering if that would expose the diff)
[04:40:17] <hippietrail>	ah actually thats the production code that was coped from somewhere else and is missing part of the portlet structure anyway
[04:40:57] <hippietrail>	i copied the portlet code from another js extension that adds links to other wiki projects in the navbar
[04:41:22] <hippietrail>	but a true portlet has two divs. class portlet and class pBody
[04:41:32] <Splarka>	well
[04:41:41] <Splarka>	a "true" portlet also has the generated sidebar class thing too
[04:41:53] <hippietrail>	on my dev branch of the code i try to do it right and it ends up even worse even though the dom looks better
[04:42:08] <Splarka>	and there is a reason all the sidebar portlets have that extra class
[04:42:41] <Splarka>	.generated-sidebar, #p-tb, #p-lang, #p-search {}
[04:42:55] <Splarka>	will grab all sidebar portlets, excluding logo, personal, cactions
[04:43:10] <Splarka>	without having to apply to all .portlet and remove from logo/personal/cactions
[04:43:13] <hippietrail>	aha
[04:43:30] <Splarka>	so possibly that is a reason too
[04:43:35] <Splarka>	not sure ^_^
[04:44:09] <hippietrail>	im sure the code i copied from got into the same trouble and their hack solution was to leave out the portlet div and instead add their pBody div to the previous portlet
[04:44:22] <Splarka>	X_X
[04:44:28] <Splarka>	yes indeedie
[04:44:33] <hippietrail>	thanks for finding it for me
[04:44:41] <Splarka>	I did nothing but make you look at it
[04:44:47] <Splarka>	but sometimes that is the best tech support
[04:44:54] <hippietrail>	ive rolled portlets with js before and they worked but the code and the css evolves over the years
[04:45:08] <hippietrail>	i looked at it but i was blind (-:
[04:45:08] <Splarka>	btw, you have IE6?
[04:45:45] <hippietrail>	yeah no space to upgrade to 7 or 8 on my netbook with ms giving you no choice of app install path
[04:45:58] <Splarka>	does IE6 support css child selectors?
[04:46:08] <hippietrail>	but since its the lowest common denominator i kinda need it for this type of evil work
[04:46:09] <Splarka>	or, at least, does it not explode into firey death therein?
[04:46:17] <Splarka>	nope, IE5 is the lowest
[04:46:24] <hippietrail>	i dont know. i dont really speak css
[04:46:24] <Splarka>	as proven by the existence of IE50Fixes.css
[04:46:31] <Splarka>	heh
[04:46:38] <Splarka>	well, try this CSS if you can
[04:46:45] <Splarka>	a simple logo hider, one might see
[04:46:56] <hippietrail>	odd that the js portlets looked fine on every non ie browser
[04:46:56] <Splarka>	#p-logo > a {display:none;}
[04:47:27] <Splarka>	this means, <object id="p-logo"> all immediate generation (child) objects <a> but not <a> descendants of other child objects
[04:47:36] <Splarka>	however
[04:47:58] <Splarka>	IE5 sees ">" as ",", which at the time was probably fine, but when CSS2 started being implemented, it broke in interesting ways
[04:48:10] <Splarka>	it'll see that as: #p-logo, a {display:none;}
[04:48:24] <Splarka>	which means, all <a> in any context on any part of the page are hidden
[04:48:33] <Splarka>	does IE6 suffer the same malady?
[04:49:31] <hippietrail>	i have trouble even deterministically clearing the cache on ie6
[04:50:15] <hippietrail>	of course i have the extra hurdle of a japanese version of ie6
[04:50:30] <Splarka>	hippietrail: are you some sort of  masochist?
[04:50:44] <hippietrail>	well the logo is not getting hidden
[04:50:57] <hippietrail>	the netbook was cheap when i was in japan
[04:51:02] <Splarka>	is the link clickable?
[04:51:20] <hippietrail>	yep click works
[04:52:02] <Splarka>	hmm
[04:52:46] <hippietrail>	where is that css line with p-tb... can't seem to find it
[04:54:08] <Splarka>	hmm?
[04:54:41] <hippietrail>	Splarka>	and there is a reason all the sidebar portlets have that extra class
[04:54:42] <hippietrail>		.generated-sidebar, #p-tb, #p-lang, #p-search {}
[04:55:34] <Splarka>	nowhere in core, but I've used it before
[04:55:39] <Splarka>	to make a full-page view for example
[04:55:47] <Splarka>	or a faux rtl UI
[05:07:25] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Check for empty section before printing title, else visible in text browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19185  (10jidanni)
[05:08:11] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Feeds not full capacity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19330  (10jidanni)
[05:09:21] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) userOptions.php is unable to access some options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19051  normal->lowest (10jidanni)
[05:24:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Check compatibility with PSP browser and make auto-redirect to m.wikipedia.org if possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19402 enhancement; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (brion)
[05:34:20] *p858snake 	pokes brion, do you know about the mobile interface much?
[05:40:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show buttons not working on Nokia N51 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19403 enhancement; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (p858snake)
[05:40:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show buttons not working on Nokia E51 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19403  summary (10p858snake)
[06:05:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article or image paging - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211  +comment (10brianriab)
[06:20:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hiding categories via CSS violates accessibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15637  +comment (10brianriab)
[06:25:22] <DeFender1031>	is there a magic word to get the title at the head of the current section?
[06:25:44] <Splarka>	nein. not in core anyway
[06:26:07] <DeFender1031>	feh
[06:28:11] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1605
[06:30:26] <DeFender1031>	Splarka, that's not quite the same thing
[06:31:05] <Nikerabbit>	Query SELECT /*!40001 SQL_NO_CACHE */ * FROM `bw_text
[06:31:08] <Nikerabbit>	what's this
[06:31:17] <Nikerabbit>	does mediawiki do that?
[06:31:24] <Splarka>	DeFender1031: Jidanni thinks it is
[06:31:31] <Annemarie>	bw_test?
[06:31:33] <Annemarie>	bw_text? 
[06:31:35] <Annemarie>	Sounds like an extension.
[06:31:39] <DeFender1031>	Nikerabbit, looks like a lijne of SQL to me...
[06:31:51] <Nikerabbit>	looks very *slow* to me
[06:32:02] <Nikerabbit>	has been running over an minute now...
[06:32:23] <Nikerabbit>	oh right
[06:32:25] <Nikerabbit>	backups
[06:32:26] <Splarka>	DeFender1031: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12434
[06:33:14] <henna>	win 3
[06:33:15] <DeFender1031>	Splarka, yeah, that's what i'm talking about
[06:33:21] <Splarka>	DeFender1031: also duped to it: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6591 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18398 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9240
[06:33:54] <Splarka>	DeFender1031: right, so, in jidanni's logic (and the logic of the dupers of the other bugs), fixing 1605 will fix whatever needs you have
[06:33:59] <Splarka>	*shrug*
[06:35:16] <DeFender1031>	heh
[06:35:35] <DeFender1031>	i actually thought about the last one with being able to specify level as well
[06:52:54] <ohmalone>	Hi
[06:57:40] <Nikerabbit>	hi
[06:58:00] <ohmalone>	i have a problem
[06:58:15] <ohmalone>	about use mediawiki
[07:03:50] <Nikerabbit>	yeah???
[07:07:14] <CIA-58>	03rarohde * r52436 10/trunk/extensions/Minify/ (6 files): New extension: Drop-in CSS/JS compressor that captures output from action=raw and sends it to either JSMin or the YUI CSS compressor.
[07:09:02] <Annemarie>	Huh.
[07:09:24] <Annemarie>	Splarka: That's a result of the discussion about using tabs versus spaces. ^^
[07:10:12] <Splarka>	...
[07:10:27] <ohmalone>	i can't search in wiki
[07:10:37] <Annemarie>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#Use_tabs_instead_of_spaces
[07:12:01] *charitwo 	staps tabs
[07:12:07] <charitwo>	stabs even
[07:12:09] <charitwo>	both
[07:12:10] <charitwo>	for good measure
[07:12:27] <Splarka>	tabs/spaces/whatever are fine
[07:12:37] <Splarka>	minify is not
[07:14:10] <Annemarie>	Well, the idea is to keep wiki pages the same and change what's actually served to end users, I think.
[07:14:27] <Annemarie>	Though that obviously doesn't apply as much to the core JS...
[07:14:43] <Splarka>	what does that have to do with JSMin or the YUI CSS ?
[07:14:58] <Splarka>	those type of things generally make unreadable code
[07:15:07] <Splarka>	with no whitespace, no linefeeds, no comments
[07:15:22] <Splarka>	and I for one will not stand for it
[07:15:39] *Annemarie 	gets the Magic Markers and poster board.
[07:16:04] <Splarka>	"I can't purge" "hey, go to this action=raw URL and see if you can see the rule you applied" "I can't read it, it is a 500k single line"
[07:16:05] *charitwo 	gets the crayon and construction paper.
[07:16:51] <Annemarie>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-DejaVu_Sans.css
[07:19:54] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52437 10/trunk/extensions/Minify/ (COPYING Minify.i18n.php Minify.php Minify_body.php): 
[07:19:54] <CIA-58>	* remove period from description message
[07:19:54] <CIA-58>	* update indentation, remove trailing whitespace, stylize.php (except for jsmin.php)
[07:19:54] <CIA-58>	* use a variable instead of dirname( __FILE__ ) multiple times.
[07:19:54] <CIA-58>	* bumped version
[07:20:04] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, since when was Nuke on at enwiki?
[07:20:13] <Annemarie>	Monday.
[07:20:38] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52438 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add support for Minify
[07:20:44] *Betacommand 	wonders who he can bribe to look at and fix bug 13827
[07:23:07] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52439 10/trunk/extensions/Minify/Minify.i18n.php: Fix typo: Javascript -> JavaScript
[07:24:08] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52440 10/trunk/extensions/Minify/Minify.i18n.php: Fix key
[07:30:38] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r52441 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[07:30:38] <CIA-58>	* Add i18n file for extension description message
[07:30:38] <CIA-58>	* Add extension to translatewiki
[07:49:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add time elapsed next to last modified timestamp, or js variable (wgCurRevisionTimestamp) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19276  (10bugspray7)
[08:15:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) set $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey=false for enwikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19404 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (bawolff+wn)
[08:30:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tables not existing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19358  (10markus)
[08:59:03] <MrTweek>	hello
[08:59:13] <MrTweek>	is there a changelog for new mediawiki releases somewhere?
[08:59:20] <MrTweek>	i can't find it on the website :/
[08:59:37] <domas>	check release notes inside the package
[08:59:48] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES?view=log
[09:00:06] <Splarka>	the change log of the change log
[09:00:06] <MrTweek>	thanks
[09:00:33] <MrTweek>	would be nice to have them in plain text somewhere, maybe on the download page
[09:00:49] <MrTweek>	so i can check if I want to download it, before downloading it
[09:00:55] <p858snake>	Splarka: is there a change log for the change log of the change log?
[09:02:00] *Splarka 	stabs p858snake
[09:02:04] <Splarka>	MrTweek: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[09:02:26] <domas>	there is change log of p858snake's vitals
[09:02:56] <Splarka>	^ that is trunk, for each version:
[09:02:58] <p858snake>	actually i do have a print off of my ecg results or whatever that machine is that records your heartbeats
[09:03:02] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/tags/REL1_15_0/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain   http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/tags/REL1_14_0/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[09:03:02] <Splarka>	etc
[09:04:07] <Splarka>	for old version branches (for security/bug backports that make it to future old releases): http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_15/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_14/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain etc
[09:04:18] <Splarka>	all nice plain text, happy? ^_^
[09:04:42] *charitwo 	caveats Splarka
[09:04:48] <MrTweek>	uhm, yes, thanks
[09:05:05] <MrTweek>	i was not complaining about not having them in plaintext but about not finding them directly on the projects site ;)
[09:05:10] <MrTweek>	but thanks anyway :)
[09:07:50] <Splarka>	MrTweek: heh
[09:08:07] <Duesentrieb>	how/where is the oversight log stored?
[09:08:45] *Splarka 	wonders where a good place for it to be linked from would be
[09:11:32] <MrTweek>	maybe right on the main page
[09:11:47] <MrTweek>	something like "MediaWiki 1.15.0rc1 release candidate available [changelog]"
[09:11:58] <Splarka>	ahh: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Important_Release_Notes
[09:12:09] <Splarka>	(sort of)
[09:12:16] <MrTweek>	oh, nice
[09:12:25] <Splarka>	I guess that is more of the "release" release notes
[09:12:35] <MrTweek>	seems like i just used the wrong search term
[09:12:35] <Splarka>	p858snake: pun extension available
[09:12:39] <MrTweek>	i'll create a redirect
[09:12:50] <Splarka>	wait, that page just seems to note the releases
[09:13:13] *Splarka 	should read mediawiki.org more
[09:13:36] <MrTweek>	#redirect [[Release notes]]
[09:13:39] <p858snake>	Splarka: sorry but that extenstions special page is restrcited from the autoconfirmed group
[09:13:41] <MrTweek>	sorry
[09:13:42] <MrTweek>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes
[09:13:50] <MrTweek>	that's what i was looking for
[09:13:54] <p858snake>	>.> <.<
[09:13:58] <Splarka>	well, yah
[09:14:24] <Splarka>	anyway
[09:14:55] <MrTweek>	:>
[09:15:53] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download
[09:16:02] <Splarka>	it should be linked to from here, but there is no "see also" section
[09:19:43] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52442 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ffs/Gettext.php: Fixed export part in Gettext plural handling
[09:20:39] <Nikerabbit>	any semantic mediawiki guys here?
[09:20:54] <Nikerabbit>	oh whatever
[09:21:05] <Nikerabbit>	why is suddenly everybody emailing me their support questions
[09:21:54] <p858snake>	because they wub you
[09:22:39] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: how often should I water carrots?
[09:24:41] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: every day at 4 am
[09:25:50] <Splarka>	wub!
[09:26:00] <Nikerabbit>	does someone here do javascript?
[09:26:34] <Splarka>	not if it involves IE X_X
[09:26:57] <Nikerabbit>	I want a html select, with button which appends the currently selected item to a text input
[09:27:31] <Splarka>	wow, that sounds esoteric
[09:27:42] <Nikerabbit>	why?
[09:27:58] <Nikerabbit>	seems very simple to me
[09:28:16] <Splarka>	oh, reread, you mean <select>, I thought you meant a cursor select by the client
[09:29:01] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: is the <select> to be generated in php or javascript?
[09:29:05] <Nikerabbit>	php
[09:31:02] <Splarka>	hmm
[09:32:14] <Splarka>	<select id="foo"><option value="stuff 1">1</option><option value="stuff 2">2</option><option value="stuff 3">3</option><option value="stuff 4">4</option><option value="stuff 5">5</option></select>
[09:32:15] <Splarka>	<input type="button" value="copy" onclick="document.getElementById('bar').value += document.getElementById('foo').value"/><br/><input id="bar" />
[09:32:52] <Nikerabbit>	which one is displayed to user "stuff 1" or 1 ?
[09:32:54] <Splarka>	though you may want to put it in a function in site JS (or in an inline <script>) for more control/verbosity
[09:33:01] <Splarka>	1 gets displayed, "stuff 1" gets inserted
[09:33:05] <Nikerabbit>	great
[09:33:25] <Splarka>	[select object].value gives you the value of the currently selected option
[09:33:38] <Splarka>	I think that works in all browsers, but.. maybe IE will fuck it up (it does if you try to assign it)
[09:34:14] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[09:34:26] <Nikerabbit>	also, it should insert a comma in between if there is already something
[09:34:54] <Splarka>	yah, then make a function
[09:35:05] <Splarka>	sec
[09:38:27] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: http://p.defau.lt/?74DRxpxFAK1oeKavNg14sg
[09:38:37] <Splarka>	the input button would then be:
[09:38:37] <Splarka>	<input type="button" value="copy" onclick="appendFromSelect('foo','bar')"/>
[09:38:52] <CIA-58>	03straussd * r52444 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/civicrm/settings_location.php: rm settings_location.php
[09:38:54] <Splarka>	there is a bunch of error correction and paranoia in that function so it should be super safe
[09:40:21] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: can I generate it with javascript too?
[09:40:43] <Splarka>	yah
[09:40:53] <Splarka>	var sel = document.createElement('select')
[09:41:02] <Splarka>	sel.id = 'whatever';
[09:41:03] <Nikerabbit>	no, the button
[09:41:08] <Splarka>	oh
[09:41:48] <Splarka>	var inp = document.createElement('input'); inp.setAttribute('type','button'); inp.onclick = function() { append function here }
[09:41:59] <Splarka>	the .onclick is a bit annoying to do, but is possible
[09:42:18] <Splarka>	hard to pass parameters unless you wrap it in a dummy function()
[09:42:25] <Splarka>	or use .innerHTML X_X
[09:42:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) addition of [[mediawikiwiki: prefix on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19405 minor; Normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (alfred.maghi)
[09:43:30] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: can't I assign a pre-existing function to it?
[09:44:07] <Nikerabbit>	now... how to inject javascript
[09:45:45] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: sure, but not with locally scoped parameters
[09:45:56] <Nikerabbit>	functions are not global?
[09:46:15] <Splarka>	no, I mean, you can't say... foo.onclick = bar(baz,baf);
[09:46:21] <Splarka>	just foo.onclick = bar
[09:46:39] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[09:46:55] <Splarka>	but you can do foo.onclick = function() { bar(baz,baf); }
[09:47:25] <Splarka>	you can also addClickHandler and a few others, like setAttribute('onclick') and .innerHTML of the parent
[09:47:37] <Splarka>	but really, .onclick is the most supported in this situation
[09:48:00] <Splarka>	(addClickHandler is a safe wrapper for addEventListener ++ attachEvent)
[09:55:32] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: yay it works, kind of
[09:56:05] <Splarka>	prob? ^_^
[09:56:22] <Nikerabbit>	now I have to make it clean
[09:59:03] <Splarka>	is dirty?
[09:59:31] <Nikerabbit>	yah
[10:01:30] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: can it be like onload[] = addButton( placeId, sourceId, targetId ) ?
[10:02:07] <Splarka>	is that php or js? X_X
[10:02:20] <Nikerabbit>	in javascript
[10:02:48] <Splarka>	I'd use addOnloadHook()
[10:02:53] <Splarka>	but I guess it depends on your situation
[10:03:09] <Splarka>	so, you want to generate the JS, that generates the buttons, that perform the JS, that copies the text?
[10:03:55] <Nikerabbit>	I guess so
[10:04:24] <Splarka>	is this js in an inline <script>, a head <script> or a <script src>?
[10:04:53] <Nikerabbit>	head script I guess
[10:04:59] <Nikerabbit>	does it matter?
[10:05:13] <Nikerabbit>	is inline script even valid xhtml?
[10:05:51] <Splarka>	does /that/ matter? they're all over the body
[10:06:16] <Splarka>	(the collection extension is a dirty dirty boy, so is the sitenotice ... and global notice)
[10:06:35] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: how many do you anticipate per page load?
[10:06:38] <Nikerabbit>	currently I am adding the addFromSelect as a script src
[10:06:56] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: only on some pages, and usually one, but possibly more
[10:07:11] <Splarka>	right, so what controls them?
[10:07:24] <Splarka>	will there be an object of a certain ID or range of objects with a certain class?
[10:07:41] <Splarka>	or will the objects always already be there, if the php chooses to insert the <script> ?
[10:08:41] <Nikerabbit>	huh?
[10:08:43] <Nikerabbit>	objects?
[10:08:53] <Splarka>	an html object
[10:08:59] <Splarka>	like <select class="insertable">
[10:09:02] <Nikerabbit>	wat is dat?
[10:09:06] <Splarka>	okay...
[10:09:20] <Splarka>	how do you want the script to know /where/ to insert these buttons?
[10:09:54] <Nikerabbit>	like, the select will always be there, with unique id, and every instance gets an own onload[] = addButton( id, id, id )?
[10:10:00] <Nikerabbit>	does that make sense?
[10:10:08] <Splarka>	well... you'll have zero, one, or more than one sets of a paired off <select> and <input type="text"> (or <textarea>) on every page load
[10:10:19] <Splarka>	when there are zero, will this JS be loading?
[10:10:23] <Nikerabbit>	no
[10:10:30] <Splarka>	k, so it can always assume selects
[10:10:47] <Splarka>	will they have a shared parent with the input they insert into?
[10:10:58] <Splarka>	like a <form> or such?
[10:11:07] <Nikerabbit>	we know the id, isn't that enough?
[10:11:25] <Splarka>	only if the target input ID is also known or discernable therefrom
[10:11:35] <Splarka>	the problem arises if you have more than one on a page though
[10:11:48] <Splarka>	if that is the case, you should use classes
[10:11:49] <Nikerabbit>	yes, the code knows it.. it just needs to pass them to the javascript
[10:12:03] <Splarka>	"the code", which code? the php?
[10:12:05] <Nikerabbit>	php
[10:12:30] <Splarka>	mm, okay, there are two basic ways to do it
[10:13:27] <Splarka>	one is to give each select/input pair a link to each other, like say... <select class="insertable" id="insert-1"> <input class="insertable" id="target-1">.. and iterate over getElementsByClassName(document,'select','insertable')
[10:14:01] <Splarka>	for each, get the .id attribute, remove 'insert-', and getElementById('target-' + thatID) to pair it off
[10:14:14] <Splarka>	and submit that to addButton(sourceId, targetId )
[10:14:35] <Splarka>	the other is to generate a <script> inline at that point, like the edit page does
[10:15:07] <Splarka>	<script type="text/javascript">addButton(sourceId, targetId )</script>, somewhere after the IDs appear in the dom
[10:15:10] <Splarka>	but that is uglyyyyyy
[10:15:17] <Nikerabbit>	why?
[10:15:29] <Splarka>	why is it ugly?
[10:15:40] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[10:16:10] <Splarka>	it just is
[10:16:14] <Nikerabbit>	why?
[10:16:34] <Splarka>	you want a bullet list of why I personally find it ugly?
[10:16:36] <Nikerabbit>	I thought that was the easiest and leaniest
[10:16:58] <Splarka>	* for safety ya gotta wrap it in /*<![CDATA[*/ which then requires 4 newlines at least
[10:17:05] <Splarka>	* it isn't cacheble like src is
[10:17:20] <Nikerabbit>	well, we are talking about special pages anyway
[10:17:21] <werdna>	Splarka: what do you think of the new LQT interface?
[10:17:22] <werdna>	http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Talk:Main_Page
[10:17:23] <Splarka>	* it clutters the html source code
[10:17:35] <Splarka>	werdna: I've never seen the old interface
[10:17:36] <Splarka>	what changed?
[10:17:41] <saper>	clutters DOM tree in an unpredictable way
[10:17:54] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: okay, here is what I'd do
[10:17:59] <werdna>	Splarka: um, everything :P
[10:18:11] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: aww, the buttons change size when hovering
[10:18:28] <werdna>	Splarka: http://www.wikieducator.org/Talk:Main_Page
[10:18:32] <werdna>	old interface
[10:18:42] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: can fix that
[10:19:01] <Splarka>	werd: sorry, but I am an ardent fan of existing talk pages, I like dl/dd
[10:19:17] <Splarka>	2 cents
[10:19:40] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52445 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/lqt.css: Fix buttons changing size on hover
[10:19:41] <werdna>	and I think they're awful :D
[10:19:59] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: so how will you define an insertion point? a dummy html object?
[10:20:06] <Splarka>	<span id="foo"/>  ?
[10:20:10] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: updating :)
[10:20:22] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: yeah, why not?
[10:20:33] <Splarka>	in which case, why not just generate the button?
[10:20:36] <Splarka>	so much easier in php
[10:20:57] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: like... um... what if js isn't working?
[10:21:13] <Splarka>	<input style="display:none;speak:none;">
[10:21:18] <Splarka>	"but the children in africa!"
[10:21:29] <Nikerabbit>	what if ccs isn't working?
[10:21:42] <Splarka>	then they see a broken button, it isn't the end of the world
[10:21:47] <Nikerabbit>	yes!
[10:21:51] <Splarka>	fine...
[10:21:53] <Nikerabbit>	degrade making babies
[10:21:59] <Nikerabbit>	oh well, maybe you are right
[10:23:35] <Nikerabbit>	<input type="button" value="copy" onclick="document.getElementById('bar').value += document.getElementById('foo').value"/><br/><input id="bar" />
[10:24:36] <Splarka>	hmm
[10:25:29] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: what's the correct onclick again?
[10:25:36] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?nDPz4TrGApbbrWq8ku0fPQ
[10:25:46] <Splarka>	I /think/ this will work, maybe I should test it
[10:26:01] <Splarka>	sigh
[10:26:18] <Nikerabbit>	you aren't paying attention?
[10:26:29] <Splarka>	oops
[10:26:53] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?3gqUCDT8VUFb4NAFVsSVEQ
[10:26:54] <Splarka>	there
[10:27:16] <Splarka>	<select id="insert-1"><span id="insertpoint-1"><input id="target-1
[10:27:18] <Splarka>	">
[10:27:22] <Splarka>	ugly ugly code
[10:27:29] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: nope, can't afford to
[10:28:35] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: this stuff is really easy, but stress testing it is really time consuming
[10:28:52] <Splarka>	(or, getting it to work, heh)
[10:29:55] <roberthl>	werdna: The padding between messages and the grey box header is a bit too much IMO.
[10:30:38] <werdna>	you mean between the message header and the message body?
[10:30:43] <roberthl>	Yes.
[10:31:12] <roberthl>	There isn't much point in moving the permalink/action buttons to the side if you leave it as it is (since it still takes up just as much space).
[10:31:28] <roberthl>	Unless we're just using different browsers.
[10:31:43] <roberthl>	Otherwise it looks pretty damn nice.
[10:31:45] <werdna>	I was about to ask -- what browser are you using?
[10:31:54] <roberthl>	Firefox 3
[10:32:01] <roberthl>	I'll upload a screenshot if you like.
[10:32:01] <werdna>	Hmm, I'm on 3.5
[10:32:04] <werdna>	can you screenshot it?
[10:32:06] <werdna>	yeah that'd be grand
[10:32:09] <werdna>	just post it to that wiki
[10:32:11] <werdna>	or whatever
[10:32:41] <roberthl>	http://tmp.rhl.me.uk/lqt.png
[10:33:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SemanticForms autocompletion on property buggy (patch attached) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19406 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (mail)
[10:33:40] <werdna>	hmm that's odd
[10:34:40] <werdna>	let's see if I can reproduce it in my FF3
[10:36:33] <werdna>	Permalink and Actions buttons are supposed to be inside the header
[10:36:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SemanticForms autocompletion on property buggy (patch attached) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19406  (10mail)
[10:39:26] <roberthl>	werdna: Also, the sorting order box syas the same thing "last modified first" as all three of its options.
[10:40:22] <werdna>	ah, should prolly fix that too :)
[10:42:06] <roberthl>	The only other thing I can see is that the summary box doesn't seem to have full width in Fx3.
[10:43:37] *werdna 	curses web browsers
[10:43:43] <werdna>	this is what I hate about web dev :)
[10:43:46] <roberthl>	:)
[10:44:07] <werdna>	(the Permalink/Actions problem)
[10:45:33] <werdna>	Splarka: How does one right-align a div within another div in a reasonably cross-browser way?
[10:45:52] <werdna>	I added float: right; but for some reason in FF3.0 the inner div seems to escape the outer div when I do that
[10:47:41] <Splarka>	werd: hmm, does the inner div have to be a block element?
[10:48:33] <werdna>	not especially
[10:48:49] <werdna>	actually, maybe
[10:48:54] <werdna>	it contains a ul
[10:49:03] <werdna>	http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Talk:Main_Page
[10:49:10] <werdna>	the "permalink | Actions" thing
[10:49:19] <werdna>	it's supposed to be in side the grey box, but in FF3 it sneaks out.
[10:50:33] *Splarka 	looks
[10:50:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SemanticForms autocompletion on property buggy (patch attached) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19406  +comment (10mail)
[10:51:04] <Splarka>	is outside the box for my old mozilla, well... is actually below it
[10:51:50] <werdna>	right
[10:51:55] <werdna>	I want it to be inside the box
[10:52:06] <werdna>	how do I get it to stay in its damn box :P
[10:52:13] *Splarka 	peeks at the dom
[10:52:35] <Splarka>	http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Talk:Main_Page?useskin=myskin
[10:52:36] <Splarka>	hmmm
[10:53:00] <Splarka>	oh, you're loading it via its own css
[10:54:26] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: thank you!
[10:54:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) feature request - faceted browsing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19407 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (hannescsmit)
[10:55:28] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: welcome, I think >_<
[10:55:39] <Splarka>	werdna: heh, NewPP limit report, for every post X_X
[10:57:08] <OverlordQ>	mmmmmmmmmmm grumble
[10:57:49] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52446 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add nice language and group selectors. Thanks to Splarka who helped with JavaScript
[10:58:00] <Splarka>	gah
[10:58:10] <Splarka>	Werdna: can you like, create a new example page with just one or two posts on it?
[10:58:21] <Splarka>	I can't untangle the DOM there, too much white noise
[10:59:01] <werdna>	sure
[10:59:06] <Splarka>	<3
[10:59:35] *Splarka 	wonders why the pages won't cache
[10:59:35] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52447 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/_autoload.php: Forgot to commit this one in r52446...
[10:59:50] <vvv>	werdna: what if someone decides to add 500 ifexists to every post on the page?
[11:00:04] <werdna>	http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/User_talk:Splarka#lqt_thread_98
[11:00:13] <werdna>	vvv: then after 500 it won't work, I suppose.
[11:00:22] <Splarka>	werd: PS I hate you, heh
[11:02:14] <Nikerabbit>	free carrots
[11:02:37] <Splarka>	who has them prisoner?
[11:02:58] <Nikerabbit>	no
[11:03:02] <Nikerabbit>	I sais FREE crarrots
[11:03:09] <Nikerabbit>	shit
[11:03:16] <Nikerabbit>	can't type... how can I code
[11:03:47] <Nikerabbit>	well, soon the sun is shining anyway so I can't keep lappy in the heat
[11:05:32] <vvv>	werdna: no. It looks like every message has its own limit counter. A good DDoS vector
[11:06:21] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:06:39] *Splarka 	wonders what keeps redownloading for every forward/back navigation
[11:06:50] <werdna>	dunno
[11:07:32] <Splarka>	something in <head>
[11:08:51] <Splarka>	ack
[11:09:10] <Splarka>	werd: http://wiki.werdn.us/test/scripts/index.php?title=-&action=raw&gen=js&useskin=monobook
[11:09:19] <Splarka>	all your action=raw are returning 403
[11:09:53] <Splarka>	http://wiki.werdn.us/test/scripts/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text%2Fcss&smaxage=18000&action=raw&maxage=18000
[11:10:05] *Splarka 	just removes them from his test
[11:13:29] <werdna>	lame
[11:14:07] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: thanks for the preferences rewrite :D
[11:15:27] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: np :P
[11:17:25] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52448 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Xml.php: Core change for r52446, allow querying params like id
[11:17:59] <Splarka>	so... history is in a ul/li which then floats up by the <h#> above it... but that works okay...
[11:21:35] <Splarka>	werd: okay, starting to comprehend
[11:21:47] <Splarka>	to float something next to something, it must be above it (usually) in the html
[11:23:51] <werdna>	Splarka: ugh, that makes no sense intuitively
[11:23:58] <werdna>	so you suggest I swap the LHS and the RHS
[11:24:46] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:24:49] <Splarka>	here is what I did to get it to work
[11:24:57] <Splarka>	but there must be an easier way
[11:25:55] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?dV0yM55oFOwLqRMYYA4Hzg
[11:26:01] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:26:09] <Splarka>	actually...
[11:26:44] <Splarka>	(also, insert some damn linebreaks)
[11:26:46] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: can extension add new sections or tabs into preferences?
[11:28:06] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[11:28:09] <Nikerabbit>	I ee
[11:28:22] <werdna>	of course
[11:28:40] <Splarka>	werdna: okay, the problem of them being on two lines is fixed with: .lqt-thread-header-commands {display:inline;}, though that doesn't solve them being below the header
[11:28:50] <werdna>	Splarka: I got it working by reversing them
[11:28:58] <werdna>	as in, by putting them above the rest of the div
[11:29:03] <Splarka>	that problem is caused by them floating in the div, but below the existing content, meaning while it is in the div, the div is not horizontally stretched to accomodate them, so they appear below it
[11:29:06] <Splarka>	right
[11:29:13] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: any way putting custom html elements on the right hand side?
[11:29:53] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: yes, type => info, raw => 1
[11:30:05] <Splarka>	werd: a peculiarity of some browsers (like most mozilla), floating elements don't auto-stretch block elements that contain them, unless there is a clear object below them
[11:30:29] <werdna>	if you actually want to get values from them, you'll need to write a new HTMLFormField class
[11:30:29] <Splarka>	so you could, eg, stretch the div with a <div style="clear:both;"></div> inside at the end
[11:30:46] <werdna>	hmm, mebbe
[11:30:52] <werdna>	hold on, let me commit my progress
[11:31:44] <Splarka>	the only reason you'd really need to do this, is if the header was completely empty of any other text except the floating div, or if the screen width was too tight to fit it all horizontally
[11:32:22] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: oh
[11:32:44] <werdna>	hmm
[11:32:48] <werdna>	might be worth doing anyway
[11:33:29] <Splarka>	usually a good idea in anything with floating stuff in it, to put a clear somewhere after it
[11:33:35] <Splarka>	like the visualclear in monobook
[11:33:56] <BlackWolf>	Roan?
[11:34:00] <RoanKattouw>	Yes?
[11:34:14] <BlackWolf>	got problems
[11:34:45] <BlackWolf>	looks totally weird: http://wikipedia.urog.org/wiki/Computer_software
[11:35:09] <BlackWolf>	sometimes it can't even open itself :/
[11:36:06] <werdna>	Splarka: btw, try refreshing
[11:36:08] <werdna>	should be fixed
[11:36:10] *werdna 	kicks CIA-58 
[11:36:11] <CIA-58>	ow
[11:36:51] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: ok I subclassed it.. can I use it somehow, ie. type => 'myclass' without changing core?
[11:37:11] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52450 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtView.php: Add a clear element for good measure
[11:37:42] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: sure.
[11:37:43] <Splarka>	k, looking
[11:37:53] <werdna>	actually, class => myclass
[11:37:54] <Nikerabbit>	aha, class=>
[11:37:56] <Splarka>	werd: saw briefly, then it exploded
[11:37:57] <Nikerabbit>	thanks
[11:38:15] <Splarka>	I think you still need ".lqt-thread-header-commands {display:inline;}", the actions was on its own line
[11:38:15] <werdna>	Splarka: why'd it explode?
[11:38:26] <Splarka>	> Warning: require_once(/var/wiki/mediawiki/includes/Namespace.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: Too many open files in /var/wiki/mediawiki/includes/Setup.php on line 145
[11:38:27] <werdna>	bah, I added text-wrap: suppress;
[11:38:30] <Splarka>	Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required '/var/wiki/mediawiki/includes/Namespace.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/wiki/mediawiki/includes/Setup.php on line 145
[11:38:39] <werdna>	oh, I keep getting that
[11:38:53] <werdna>	restarting lighty fixes it
[11:38:54] <Splarka>	werd: that's not the prob, the prob is that is another div, so it is display:block inside the div that is floating
[11:39:16] <Splarka>	there are various ways to fix it, like turning it into a span, or floating it, but display:inline seemed cleanest
[11:39:25] <werdna>	I have it set currently to 	display: inline-block;
[11:39:28] <Splarka>	(read: laziest)
[11:39:29] <Splarka>	ahh
[11:39:44] <werdna>	setting it to display: inline sucks because it contains a <ul>
[11:39:46] *Splarka 	checks quirksmode
[11:39:57] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:40:09] <Splarka>	inline-block is not supported in FF2 or lower
[11:40:17] <Splarka>	http://www.quirksmode.org/css/display.html
[11:40:24] <Splarka>	you could float it, maybe
[11:40:26] <werdna>	bleh
[11:40:30] <Nikerabbit>	aww
[11:40:39] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: can I pass values to my custom class?
[11:40:42] <BlackWolf>	Roan: any suggestions?
[11:41:09] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: what do you mean 'pass values'?
[11:41:16] <werdna>	that array you declare is sent in
[11:41:26] <werdna>	it's a parameter to the constructor, I think
[11:41:33] <werdna>	or maybe it's set to $this->mInfo or something
[11:41:43] <werdna>	either way, you can access that information array
[11:41:44] <Nikerabbit>	ok I'll look into that
[11:41:57] <werdna>	see how HTMLIntField does it, for example
[11:42:08] <RoanKattouw>	BlackWolf: looks like heavy template usage
[11:42:19] <Nikerabbit>	what is the difference between filter and validation?
[11:42:20] <BlackWolf>	yeah, but can it be fixed?
[11:42:38] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: filter modifies the data as it goes through
[11:42:49] <werdna>	validation checks whether or not the data is *allowed* to go through
[11:43:15] <Nikerabbit>	ok
[11:45:05] <BlackWolf>	Roan: I got all those templates it needs, except Ms:Wikipedia_talk and NsUser_talk because these doesn't even exist on wiki...
[11:45:22] <RoanKattouw>	I know, but the templates are evil :(
[11:46:05] <BlackWolf>	you said that about Substr too yesterday ;) it wasn't that evil ^^
[11:46:13] <BlackWolf>	just a few lines, done
[11:47:58] <BlackWolf>	so how can I prevent this page from being such an a**?
[11:52:41] <TimStarling>	I wonder why is_writable() is so broken
[11:53:31] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: hmm, we aren't the values saving?
[11:53:40] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: I don't know.
[11:53:49] <Nikerabbit>	ah never mind... key collision
[11:53:53] <werdna>	Show me your code :0
[11:53:55] <werdna>	ah, that'll do it
[11:55:07] <Nikerabbit>	hmm, still not saving
[11:56:29] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: here: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Sandbox/opts
[11:58:07] <BlackWolf>	Roan: no solution?
[11:58:20] <RoanKattouw>	Kinda busy now
[11:59:00] <BlackWolf>	aah ok sry
[11:59:41] <werdna>	nixeagle: 'default' => $default,
[11:59:50] <werdna>	you set preference defaults with $wgDefaultUserOptions
[12:00:07] <werdna>	'default' is the default value of the field.
[12:00:17] <werdna>	i.e. if you haven't posted a value for it, what is pre-filled in the field.
[12:00:25] <werdna>	it's filled by the preferences code.
[12:00:32] <Nikerabbit>	ok
[12:00:40] <werdna>	that's just in case you want to pull that value some other way
[12:01:22] <Nikerabbit>	so wgDefaultUserOptions has to be the same for all users?
[12:01:37] <werdna>	yeah
[12:01:52] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[12:01:55] <werdna>	although you could add a hook to User::getDefaultOptions() if you liked.
[12:02:10] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[12:03:20] <werdna>	hmm, that's static
[12:03:45] <werdna>	mebbe you could check the user's preferences for that setting of $default
[12:07:49] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Using #ask in a #formlink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15906  +comment (10mail)
[12:15:56] <BlackWolf>	Roan: pop up a private window when you got time to help and place your text there.. I'm gonna take cold bath now (32 degreeds Celsius in shadow over here)
[12:16:18] <Usama>	hello, what is the folder that contain the images that the user upload?
[12:17:02] <Splarka>	bah, try 46C ^_^
[12:17:12] <werdna>	Usama: try /images/
[12:18:58] <Nikerabbit>	it's 26C here and awfully hot
[12:18:59] <Usama>	thanks, one more question. how to connect a wiki with commons
[12:19:24] <Usama>	like if [[image:flag]] is on commons I don't need to import it
[12:19:33] <werdna>	!instantcommons
[12:19:33] --mwbot--	InstantCommons is a proposed feature for MediaWiki to allow any MediaWiki installation to use media on the Wikimedia Commons. However, several issues (some legal) need to be worked out, and it is only a proposal. See < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/InstantCommons >.
[12:19:46] <werdna>	Umm, that's really out of date
[12:23:09] *vvv 	found out how to support variable arguments count in shunting-yard algorithm
[12:23:53] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52451 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/pages/TalkpageView.php: Fix fatals on talk pages, decrease threads per page to 20.
[12:24:27] <Splarka>	!instantcommons
[12:24:27] --mwbot--	InstantCommons was a proposed feature for MediaWiki to allow any MediaWiki installation to use media on the Wikimedia Commons. This has basically been realized via $wgForeignFileRepos. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos>.
[12:24:37] <Splarka>	Werd^ better?
[12:28:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Call to a member function ... on a non-object at different places - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17553  +comment (10agarrett)
[12:29:57] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52452 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtDispatch.php: When coming from a redlink, don't edit the header, jump straight to the thread page.
[12:30:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) default action is not to create new thread (no subject) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15092  +comment (10agarrett)
[12:30:38] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "Any Date" radio button on LiquidThreads archive pages invisible in Opera 9.5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15137  +comment (10agarrett)
[12:31:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) deleting Thread:Image:foo.jpg_(1) appears to have also deleted Thread:foo.jpg_(1) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15410  +comment (10agarrett)
[12:33:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Use more core functions in LiquidThreads extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17115  +comment (10agarrett)
[12:33:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Thread links go to below header, not above - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19335  +comment (10agarrett)
[12:34:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) user_properties/up_property: 32 bytes is not enough - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19408 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (angus)
[12:35:20] <werdna>	it *should* be enough :/
[12:36:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Delete threads in discussion page if the page is deleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19409 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:36:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) user_properties/up_property: 32 bytes is not enough - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19408  +comment (10agarrett)
[12:37:22] <CIA-58>	03nojhan * r52453 10/trunk/tools/planet/fr/config.ini: +esby blog
[12:45:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) user_properties/up_property: 32 bytes is not enough - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19408  (10angus)
[12:55:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Name of gadgets should be restricted to 25 bytes... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19410 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Gadgets; (angus)
[12:55:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) user_properties/up_property: 32 bytes is not enough - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19408  (10angus)
[12:58:22] <OverlordQ>	who is our rezident PG devs? Sabino isn't here atm :-/
[12:58:53] *ialex 	does some PG dev
[12:59:34] <OverlordQ>	well I'm looking at r52382
[13:00:27] <ialex>	OverlordQ: and?
[13:01:05] <OverlordQ>	locks in PG have no meaning outside of a transaction, and afaik the only place where the code currently starts a txn is on an insert
[13:01:06] <ialex>	yeah
[13:01:14] <ialex>	Fatal error: Declaration of DatabasePostgres::lock() must be compatible with that of DatabaseBase::lock() in /Library/WebServer/Documents/test/phase3-postgres/includes/db/DatabasePostgres.php on line 71
[13:01:15] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52454 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtView.php: Fix double-submission of threads by adding a nonce in a hidden field to all submitting forms. The same form can't be submitted twice, with this system.
[13:01:56] <OverlordQ>	that's an easy fix, just add the timeout param.  What I'm wondering is how to define the lockTable method
[13:02:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reduce duplicate LQT posts caused by re-submitting the same form. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19145  (10agarrett)
[13:02:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Reduce duplicate LQT posts caused by re-submitting the same form. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19145  +comment (10agarrett)
[13:03:19] <Chevalnet>	hello
[13:03:27] <OverlordQ>	afaik, I dont think table locks are really called anywhere but in updateSearchIndex
[13:03:44] <Chevalnet>	i'm searching for an advise
[13:03:52] <Chevalnet>	can some body help me ?
[13:04:00] <OverlordQ>	!ask
[13:04:00] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[13:04:00] <roberthl>	!ask
[13:04:00] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[13:04:04] <OverlordQ>	:D
[13:04:12] <Chevalnet>	thanks
[13:04:20] <roberthl>	heh
[13:04:23] <Chevalnet>	i'm using mediawiki
[13:04:52] <Chevalnet>	and the problem is the menu on the left (i'm using template manobook)
[13:04:53] <OverlordQ>	oh, Article::incViewCount is also wanting to lock tables
[13:05:18] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52455 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/ (LqtThread.php LqtThreads.php): Make sure we touch the talk page whenever a thread is created or updated.
[13:05:28] <Chevalnet>	I'm searching a particular extension i did'nt find.
[13:05:28] <Chevalnet>	I want an extension to add in index every page i'll create automatically.
[13:05:28] <Chevalnet>	I want to do a three of my page (for not loose pages).
[13:06:13] <Chevalnet>	(like dokuwiki does)
[13:06:56] <Chevalnet>	anybody can help me ?
[13:07:31] <RoanKattouw>	Chevalnet: Could you make yourself clearer?
[13:07:52] <Chevalnet>	ok i try
[13:08:12] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52456 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Remove QueryGroup class, which is now unused
[13:08:41] <Chevalnet>	i'm searching a plug in to add automatically in the Navigation Menu every page i'll create
[13:09:41] <RoanKattouw>	Why would you want that?
[13:09:44] <RoanKattouw>	You mean in the sidebar?
[13:09:53] <Chevalnet>	yes in sidebar
[13:10:42] <rook2pawn>	i'd like to change the css class styles in the geshi syntax highlighting.. is there  a standard way to do this?
[13:11:12] <Chevalnet>	i need an easy way to manage the sidebar
[13:11:25] <OverlordQ>	put it into Common.css?
[13:12:43] <rook2pawn>	put what into common css?
[13:13:55] <RoanKattouw>	!sidebar | Chevalnet 
[13:13:55] --mwbot--	Chevalnet: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[13:14:04] <RoanKattouw>	That's the only way to manage the sidebar, sorry
[13:15:57] <Chevalnet>	thank you al
[13:15:58] <Chevalnet>	all
[13:17:09] <OverlordQ>	rook2pawn: however you want to style the geshi
[13:17:46] <rook2pawn>	there is no css files nor css classes in geshi
[13:17:53] <Alphos>	rook2pawn if you wish to edit CSS styles for classes used by GeSHi, you may as well edit MediaWiki:Common.css and add the styles you want for these classes...
[13:17:54] <rook2pawn>	it generates them in PHP, on the fly
[13:18:12] <rook2pawn>	does it use a common set of programming categories?
[13:18:20] <rook2pawn>	for the class names?
[13:18:32] <OverlordQ>	yes, but the connector wraps it divs for styling
[13:18:34] <OverlordQ>	*in
[13:19:44] <rook2pawn>	So if i choose just one language_foo.php at random, i can get get all the class names?
[13:19:53] <rook2pawn>	that would be common to all langauges?
[13:21:45] <OverlordQ>	if youw ant something special complain to geshi, SyntaxHighlight wraps the output in a div/span with a class of mw-geshi
[13:24:40] <rook2pawn>	the dynamically generated css shows classes like ".st0,  .re0,  .es_h  " ?? i have no idea what these are class of language text this is supposed to be
[13:24:43] <Alphos>	Since r22246, you can override the colors using MediaWiki:Geshi.css. ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi#Parameters )
[13:25:29] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52457 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/DatabasePostgres.php: 
[13:25:29] <CIA-58>	quick fix for r52382: fix errors in DatabasePostgres, lock() has incompatible
[13:25:29] <CIA-58>	signature lockTables(), unlockTables() (lockTables could have some
[13:25:29] <CIA-58>	implementation but not unlockTables since PostgreSQL has no command "UNLOCK
[13:25:29] <CIA-58>	TABLES")
[13:27:13] <rook2pawn>	is there any explanation beyond that?
[13:28:08] <rook2pawn>	the php script seems to return an associative array with all cap literals, like 'SYMBOL', and 'COMMENT_MULTI', but the css classes are nothing like that
[13:28:51] <Nikerabbit>	rook2pawn: why don't you ask in #geshi? they are very friendly
[13:29:25] <rook2pawn>	why would they know
[13:29:42] <rook2pawn>	they just make geshi, not the mediawiki extension
[13:30:08] <Nikerabbit>	rook2pawn: because the mediawiki extension only wraps a div around the output and that's it
[13:30:18] <rook2pawn>	ah
[13:31:42] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52458 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/ (LqtNewMessages.php LqtThreads.php): 
[13:31:42] <CIA-58>	Cleanup of Threads::where --
[13:31:42] <CIA-58>	* Reimplement as a very simple wrapper, ditching all of the extra functionality.
[13:31:42] <CIA-58>	Since it's intended as a convenience function, there's less complexity in doing
[13:31:42] <CIA-58>	what needs doing in the callers rather than in that function.
[13:31:45] <CIA-58>	* General cruft removal, automatic generation of SQL statements etc.
[13:33:55] <^demon>	ialex: saw your commit, thanks.
[13:34:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19411 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (gtisza)
[13:36:42] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19411  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:36:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) nested links: wiki links inside external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3695  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:38:09] <Burps>	Hi all
[13:38:58] <Burps>	I have a mediawiki install where unkown user can't create any account. Wht do I need to setup to vace a "bureaucrat" for example be able to create new users ?
[13:39:26] <Burps>	s/vace/have
[13:39:27] <^demon>	!rights
[13:39:27] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[13:39:55] <^demon>	Burps: ^^^
[13:40:06] <Burps>	thx, I'll go watch this
[13:40:13] *siebrand 	moos softly.
[13:40:39] *^demon 	gives siebrand some grain, as he must be a cow.
[13:41:40] <Burps>	^demon: I have this in my conf : $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['createaccount'] = true;, so it seems to be correct : where does a bureaucrat then has to click to create the user ?
[13:42:28] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Allow fixed page footer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5190  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:42:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add a [[MediaWiki:Footermessage]] page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1999  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:42:49] <OverlordQ>	Special:UserLogin click create account
[13:43:37] <Alphos>	Burps you also need $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; before the 'bureaucrat' line, or else anyone will be able to create an account ;)
[13:44:00] <Burps>	that's the case
[13:44:20] <Burps>	now, where does the bureaucrat ODES create the account ?
[13:44:23] <Burps>	DOES
[13:44:36] <^demon>	read 5 lines up.
[13:44:47] <Burps>	oh..; sorry ;)
[13:44:50] <Burps>	missed the line ;)
[13:45:25] <^demon>	overlordq: i forgot to commit the updateSearchIndex stuff last night :\
[13:46:33] <BlackWolf>	hmm.. any solution to these weird variables on my page: http://wikipedia.urog.org/wiki/Computer_software ?
[13:47:23] <OverlordQ>	meh, no worries
[13:47:46] <OverlordQ>	I dont think there's too many people running bleeding edge on PG :P
[13:47:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Name of gadgets should be restricted to 25 bytes... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19410  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:47:51] <^demon>	:p
[13:48:19] <^demon>	OverlordQ: does search work reasonably well in postgres, or is it horribly broken?
[13:49:11] <Burps>	thx everyone :)
[13:49:12] <OverlordQ>	dont have a large dataset to test with so *shrug*
[13:49:51] <^demon>	OverlordQ: i should set up a public test wiki running trunk on postgres for said purpose :)
[13:50:15] <OverlordQ>	I could do that, I'm just too lazy to find a suitable dump that doesn't make the server cry importing it :D
[13:50:57] <OverlordQ>	that and importDump is painfully slow and I'm not sure if MWDumper likes anything besides MySQL
[13:51:11] <^demon>	OverlordQ: i would love to set up a test wiki for several things like this that checkout trunk on commit.
[13:51:28] <^demon>	public trunk test wiki :p
[13:51:30] <werdna>	domas: How much benefit is there in bulk-loading data instead of querying a million times
[13:51:48] <domas>	depends
[13:51:59] <domas>	:-)
[13:52:09] <OverlordQ>	I usually svn up every time I see a commit :P
[13:52:19] <BlackWolf>	feeding time... anyone who wants some food?
[13:52:21] <werdna>	OK, I know I'm going to be using title objects for 100 page IDs
[13:52:25] <domas>	say, if you query million times, but batch into transactions, and do that with innodb, then you got just parser overhead
[13:52:41] <domas>	if you run million transactions, then it depends on i/o subsystem and/or flush settings
[13:52:42] <domas>	;-)
[13:52:51] <werdna>	should I load them all with SELECT * FROM page where page_id IN( list ); or individually?
[13:53:00] <werdna>	The answer is obvious, but how significant is the difference?
[13:53:18] <domas>	oh, you mean reading
[13:53:28] <domas>	then of course, single select will be much faster :)
[13:53:50] <OverlordQ>	dont suppose there are any small enwp dumps lol :-/
[13:54:00] <Simetrical>	The batch query probably takes about as long as one of the single-row queries.
[13:54:10] <Simetrical>	At least if you're talking a reasonable number of rows.
[13:54:15] <werdna>	okay, so it's a pretty huge difference
[13:54:24] <werdna>	I suppose the time taken is dominated by the roundtrip
[13:54:53] <werdna>	LiquidThreads is exposing huge holes in in-process caching :)
[13:56:08] <Simetrical>	Roundtrip and also overhead for MySQL to process the query.
[13:56:37] <Simetrical>	Once it's already done all the parsing and processing and whatever, it's not really slower to read twenty leaves out of an in-memory B-tree than one leaf.
[13:57:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19411  (10gtisza)
[13:58:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19411  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:59:27] <werdna>	showoff
[14:09:12] <rook2pawn>	Nikerabbit: i got really dedicated help on that channel :) :)
[14:10:11] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52459 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtThread.php: Query consolidation, trying to bulk-load some data to avoid querying the database five times per post.
[14:10:54] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: Fatal error: Class 'HTMLTextField' not found in /var/www/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/HTMLJsSelectToInputField.php on line 3
[14:10:59] <Nikerabbit>	why are those classes not autoloaded?
[14:11:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19411  (10gtisza)
[14:13:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19411  (10innocentkiller)
[14:14:08] <Alphos>	doesn't it work just fine with %5B and %5D ? :/
[14:14:24] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: and why is just putting it into wgautoload triggering it's load...
[14:18:38] <Nikerabbit>	ahha
[14:19:25] <Nikerabbit>	I see
[14:21:53] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: can we someday remove wfLoadAllExtensions() from MessageCache?
[14:22:44] <TimStarling>	I've done it already in my working copy
[14:22:46] <TimStarling>	I said a week, right?
[14:23:16] <TimStarling>	so I'm now fighting a self-imposed deadline, testing this code to get it ready for commit, and working through my fairly short todo list
[14:23:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19411  (10gtisza)
[14:24:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) #time parser function can't read local language month names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19412 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (folengo)
[14:24:08] <TimStarling>	I added a preload feature, it loads about 100 messages unconditionally that it needs for a page view, in a serialized blob
[14:24:22] <TimStarling>	should be really fast once it starts working
[14:24:31] <TimStarling>	even for non-CDB installs
[14:28:38] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52460 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Add in-process caching to User::idFromName
[14:29:01] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52461 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Deprecate the LiquidThreads Date class
[14:31:17] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: cool!
[14:31:37] <TimStarling>	damn, 92ms median time in ab
[14:32:11] <TimStarling>	that's for a parser cache hit, the top line in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Tim_Starling/LC_timings
[14:32:50] <TimStarling>	so I got it down from 123ms to 107ms with CDB, then some more optimisation, now it's 92ms with plain MySQL
[14:33:06] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: What's this prototype of a new LC system? Is it in SVN anywhere?
[14:33:09] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52462 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: 
[14:33:09] <CIA-58>	Added subclasses of HTMLField to autoloader... so that extensions can subclass them
[14:33:09] <CIA-58>	(Was triggering fatal errors, due to wfLoadAllExtensions() loading all classes)
[14:33:22] <TimStarling>	I haven't committed it yet
[14:33:28] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[14:33:29] <TimStarling>	so just hope my hard drive doesn't fail
[14:33:42] <TimStarling>	it'll be committed straight to core
[14:33:43] <Nikerabbit>	aww
[14:33:49] <Nikerabbit>	please make a backup
[14:34:01] <Nikerabbit>	because now that you said that... the change is much higher
[14:34:46] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: GerardM had heard that someone was doing this, and he was hoping it would support LocalisationUpdate; maybe not the current version verbatim, but at least the general feature
[14:35:01] <TimStarling>	$ svn diff | ssh vps 'cat > mw-backup.patch'
[14:35:03] <TimStarling>	done
[14:35:35] <TimStarling>	yeah, I actually patched LU because I wanted to remove the hook it was using
[14:36:20] <RoanKattouw>	Does it really trigger a SELECT on every wfMsg() call? Since the hook is called from MessageCache I find it hard to believe it's not in a cached code path
[14:36:54] <TimStarling>	MessageCache only caches the MediaWiki namespace
[14:37:07] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[14:37:15] <TimStarling>	messages that aren't in it are fetched from the language object
[14:37:21] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[14:37:32] <RoanKattouw>	So the result of MessageNotInMwNs isn't cached
[14:37:36] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52463 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (6 files in 2 dirs): User preferences to choose translation assistant languages
[14:37:43] <TimStarling>	anyway, I rewrote it to operate as a pre-cache hook in my new system
[14:37:45] <RoanKattouw>	Perhaps your new design could feature a similar hook where the result is cached?
[14:37:48] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[14:37:50] <TimStarling>	yeah, that
[14:38:03] <TimStarling>	it's still slow because it needs a schema change to have proper cache invalidation
[14:38:24] <RoanKattouw>	How's that?
[14:38:33] <TimStarling>	I hacked up a quick cache invalidation system but it might take a few ms
[14:38:57] <RoanKattouw>	Cache invalidations from LU are supposed to be rare-ish anyway; every 6 hrs or so
[14:39:20] <TimStarling>	yeah, but LocalisationCache (the new class) needs to check the cache for freshness on every request
[14:39:31] <TimStarling>	and LU doesn't have a way to find out if the cron job has been run since the last request
[14:39:37] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[14:39:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple search terms are not enforced properly for Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8445  (10jidanni)
[14:39:53] <TimStarling>	it just needs a table with a single row, holding the last update timestamp
[14:39:56] <RoanKattouw>	Why check freshness on every request? Why not just purge the cache?
[14:40:03] <RoanKattouw>	As in remove the entry
[14:40:37] <TimStarling>	that would be possible
[14:40:47] <TimStarling>	not as a general solution, just a special-case for LU
[14:41:09] <Nikerabbit>	Does MediaWiki startup take most part of the remaining 90 ms or so?
[14:41:29] <TimStarling>	generally we want to be running cache updates from the web because most users don't use cron jobs
[14:41:34] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[14:41:40] <TimStarling>	Nikerabbit: no
[14:41:52] <RoanKattouw>	But why do this by timestamp? What's wrong with just removing the entire cache entry?
[14:42:11] <TimStarling>	it's like 1/3 skin, 1/3 Article::view(), 1/3 other stuff
[14:42:20] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[14:42:51] <vvv>	1/3 skin?
[14:43:03] <vvv>	Has anyone tried to optimize it?
[14:43:07] <TimStarling>	yes
[14:43:16] <TimStarling>	I spent about a month on it, it was called CBT
[14:43:23] <TimStarling>	total failure
[14:43:28] <vvv>	:(
[14:43:30] <TimStarling>	monobook is spookily fast already
[14:44:26] <TimStarling>	RoanKattouw: it does remove the entire cache entry
[14:44:39] <TimStarling>	so I'm not sure what you mean
[14:44:52] <RoanKattouw>	You said something about checking for cache freshness
[14:45:06] <RoanKattouw>	And how LU didn't know when its update script was last run
[14:45:28] <RoanKattouw>	If the update script simply removed cache entries (or replaced them :) ), would that still be necessary?
[14:45:50] <vvv>	TimStarling: is there any way to add a parser hook which content is not preprocessed, but the hook itself is parsed at preprocessor level (so it has access to PPFrame)?
[14:46:45] <TimStarling>	vvv: you mean without changing Parser.php?
[14:46:50] <vvv>	Yes
[14:47:01] <TimStarling>	no
[14:47:21] <vvv>	So I should hack parser.php?
[14:47:25] <TimStarling>	it wouldn't be too hard to add, as an XMLish tag
[14:47:49] <TimStarling>	RoanKattouw: yes, I already said that's possible
[14:48:02] <TimStarling>	it's possible for LU to call LocalisationCache::recache() directly
[14:48:07] *werdna 	slaps tabindex
[14:48:23] <TimStarling>	but LocalisationCache has its own cache invalidation system, and it would be easier if LU just plugged into it
[14:57:29] <GreenReaper>	TimStarling: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/cbt/README doesn't sound like "total failure". It just turned out not to be successful enough to outweigh the issues in other areas.
[15:00:31] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52464 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/ (JsSelectToInput.js UserToggles.php): Some fixed to r52463
[15:00:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SemanticForms autocompletion on property buggy (patch attached) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19406  (10yaron57)
[15:05:38] <Majorly>	is there a way to reset how many page views you've had?
[15:07:20] <^demon>	Majorly: reset to 0 or recount?
[15:07:53] <Majorly>	reset to 0. All the page views are by me, but when I actually launch my site, I'd prefer it to be more accurate
[15:08:37] <^demon>	you'll have to edit the row in the site_stats table. for a simple recount you can run initStats.php in the maintenance dir.
[15:09:22] <Majorly>	what is recount?
[15:10:09] <^demon>	like if your stats were wrong for some reason, you could force it to recount everything and update the db with the new numbers.
[15:10:43] <Majorly>	they aren't wrong, it's just that the only page views are by me. It's hardly accurate for seeing my site's visitors
[15:11:15] <^demon>	right, there's no real way to reset that except directly in the db.
[15:11:30] <Majorly>	ok
[15:11:45] <Majorly>	I'll have to do that then. Would I have to do every individual page?
[15:14:58] <^demon>	oh crap, yeah.
[15:15:40] <^demon>	update page set page_counter = 0j
[15:15:49] <^demon>	*0;
[15:16:16] <Majorly>	?
[15:16:34] <Majorly>	I can only find a total views
[15:17:47] <^demon>	total views is in site_stats, page_counter is in the page table
[15:18:35] <Majorly>	ok
[15:19:45] <Majorly>	there must be a way to reset them all
[15:19:47] <Majorly>	easily
[15:21:16] <Nikerabbit>	update page set page_counter = 0; ?
[15:21:34] <Majorly>	yeah... what does that mean?
[15:21:38] <Majorly>	<-- noob
[15:21:58] <Nikerabbit>	it is something that can destroy a lot of data :o
[15:22:13] <Majorly>	how do i use it
[15:22:43] <ialex>	in MySQL
[15:23:32] <Majorly>	no urgency, it's not nearly ready for launch
[15:23:55] <RoanKattouw>	Majorly: It'll set the page_counter field to 0 on every row in the page table
[15:24:11] <RoanKattouw>	Which means resetting the view counters for all apges
[15:24:13] <RoanKattouw>	*pages
[15:24:22] <Majorly>	i know. but how do i use it? posting code at me doesn't tell me how to go about using it
[15:24:36] <RoanKattouw>	Got phpMyAdmin installed?
[15:24:40] <^demon>	do you have phpmyadmin or shell access to mysql?
[15:24:49] <Majorly>	yes
[15:24:56] <Majorly>	i'm on it right now
[15:25:03] <ialex>	select the database
[15:25:10] <ialex>	click the SQL tab
[15:25:12] <RoanKattouw>	There should be a tab called SQL on top of the right frame
[15:25:25] <ialex>	enter the code and execute it
[15:25:38] <Majorly>	yeah... i'll back up first
[15:29:25] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52465 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtView.php: Fix tab-index issue
[15:31:39] <TimStarling>	any objections to me merging all the cache directory configuration variables into a single $wgCacheDirectory?
[15:32:31] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[15:32:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) LiquidThreads tab order is confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19342  +comment (10agarrett)
[15:32:37] <werdna>	sounds sensible enough
[15:32:43] <ialex>	(this would be which variables?)
[15:34:04] <TimStarling>	$wgFileCacheDirectory, $wgLocalMessageCache and the new localisation cache
[15:34:53] <TimStarling>	I can keep them for backwards compatibility, but they should default to $wgCacheDirectory
[15:36:31] <ialex>	no objection
[15:38:22] <^demon>	TimStarling: go for it
[15:38:56] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52466 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/DatabaseSqlite.php: same as r52457 but for SQLite
[16:11:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19411  (10gtisza)
[16:11:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) nested links: wiki links inside external links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3695  (10gtisza)
[16:12:35] <Simetrical>	initStats.php doesn't reset page views to zero?
[16:17:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3695  (10gtisza)
[16:22:22] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52467 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/ (LqtHistoricalThread.php LqtThread.php LqtView.php): Fix doubled up fragments
[16:22:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External URL syntax cannot handle square brackets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3695  (10gtisza)
[16:38:55] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52468 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/Configure.settings-ext.txt: Added new variable for Semantic Forms
[16:46:39] <KKKarl>	hi, need some help pls ... i get fatal error "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of ### exhausted" very often in mediawiki - my php memory_limit is 32 - the exhausted size is 24mb. very strange. my database runs un utf8 mode. the error happens with even small text pages.
[16:49:19] <CIA-58>	03rotem * r52469 10/trunk/extensions/ (15 files in 11 dirs): 
[16:49:19] <CIA-58>	* Localization update for he.
[16:49:19] <CIA-58>	* Removing specified optional and ignored messages that do not exist.
[16:49:19] <CIA-58>	* Some whitespace fixes.
[16:52:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Convert user.gif in Monobook to PNG format; crush other PNGs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19381  (10greenreaper)
[16:53:40] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52470 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php): CHANGELOG entry and version bump for r52468
[16:56:39] <Usama>	hello, there is sentence not translated in http://ar.linux.yourwiki.net/
[16:56:48] <Usama>	MediaWiki  	1.16alpha (r51943)
[16:57:05] <Usama>	can I help with that ,it's in the Arabic version
[16:57:14] <Usama>	*interface
[16:57:25] <Usama>	Edit this page isn't translated 
[16:57:54] <GreenReaper>	I believe the place to help is http://translatewiki.net/
[16:58:20] <GreenReaper>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Main_Page&setlang=ar
[16:58:44] <KKKarl>	hi, need some help pls ... i get fatal error "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of ### exhausted" very often in mediawiki - my php memory_limit is 32 - the exhausted size is 24mb. very strange. my database runs un utf8 mode. the error happens with even small text pages.
[16:58:52] <GreenReaper>	I do not know the process myself, though, perhaps Nikerabbit could advise you.
[16:59:47] <GreenReaper>	KKKarl: Increase ini_set("memory_limit","24M"); ?
[17:00:01] <KKKarl>	is 32
[17:00:26] <GreenReaper>	Might it be reset elsewhere, perhaps by a higher host?
[17:00:36] <KKKarl>	but i set the ini command in localsettings too
[17:01:02] <KKKarl>	when i reguest phpinfo()
[17:01:15] <KKKarl>	i can see there is 32 mb master and local
[17:03:45] <GreenReaper>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_Symptoms#Fatal_error:_Allowed_memory_size_of_nnnnnnn_bytes_exhausted_.28tried_to_allocate_nnnnnnnn_bytes.29 has a few suggestions.
[17:03:51] <GreenReaper>	I'm not sure whether they apply to your situation though.
[17:04:10] <KKKarl>	i know the link
[17:16:23] <Nikerabbit>	in what?
[17:16:48] <Nikerabbit>	Usama: what part of it should be translated?
[17:17:27] <Usama>	in the top tabs there is "edit this page
[17:17:39] <Usama>	it's not translated
[17:19:43] <Nikerabbit>	If you believe there is never a valid case
[17:19:43] <Nikerabbit>	for basic programming constructs such as conditionals you should have
[17:19:44] <Nikerabbit>	objected  when ParserFunctions were first implemented.
[17:26:39] <werdna>	heh, that amused me
[17:27:23] <werdna>	I was going to remark that they'd been on display at our local Planning division at Alpha Centauri for 50 years.
[17:30:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) [prototype skin] white background in ul item bullet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19413 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (liangent)
[17:32:03] <KKKarl>	how ca i reinstall mediawiki on sam webspace to other database? i edited localsettings an moved it to "/config" . and now?
[17:38:22] <ialex>	KKKar: just rename LocalSettings.php to something else, you don't need to move it
[17:40:07] <KKKarl>	how ca i reinstall mediawiki on sam webspace to other database? i edited localsettings an moved it to "/config". and now?
[17:40:35] <flyingparchment>	move it back to where it was
[17:40:46] <flyingparchment>	just change the database settings and it'll connect to the new db automatically
[17:40:51] <flyingparchment>	(you'll want to dump/load the data..)
[17:41:10] <KKKarl>	there are not tables in there
[17:41:41] <KKKarl>	i wanna try an other database charset because of prblems
[17:42:30] <KKKarl>	it should be a REinstall
[17:43:24] <KKKarl>	no data dump
[17:45:06] <flyingparchment>	then delete the file, or rename it
[17:45:53] <KKKarl>	hehe thats it. thx
[17:46:05] <KKKarl>	#head#wall
[17:51:22] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r52471 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/ (18 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:51:22] <CIA-58>	Fix the path variables for specific browser like Internet Explorer to prevent the "Invalid character" error which was rendered.
[17:51:22] <CIA-58>	Update the dtree icons.
[17:55:46] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r52472 10/trunk/extensions/TreeAndMenu/TreeAndMenu.php: follow up r52471, bump the version number.
[18:02:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Phonetic KeyBoard is not working in Mozilla Fire fox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19396  (10jayantanth)
[18:17:50] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52473 10/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Lots of RTL and IE6 fixes in both the skin and the toolbar.
[18:53:11] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r52474 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (25 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-06-26 18:40 UTC)
[19:08:21] <KKKarl>	where can i manually change the MW_INSTALL_PATH
[19:10:45] <werdna>	in your environment
[19:10:55] <werdna>	type export MW_INSTALL_PATH=whatever
[19:11:09] <werdna>	if you want it permanent, edit .profile in your home directory
[19:11:48] <KKKarl>	i deletet for some reason my subdomain now my wiki redirects false
[19:11:59] <KKKarl>	permanent should be good
[19:12:30] <KKKarl>	home dircetory linux???
[19:12:35] <KKKarl>	no root access
[19:13:39] <werdna>	then there shouldnt be a problem, because MW_INSTALL_PATH is only used if you run a maintenance script i.e. if you have shell access
[19:14:23] <KKKarl>	ahh may be $wgScriptPath is my value
[19:14:42] <werdna>	yes, that's more like it
[19:14:45] <werdna>	in LocalSettings.php
[19:15:01] <werdna>	in future, tell us what your *problem* is, not what you think the solution is :)
[19:15:47] <KKKarl>	mmh $wgScriptPath       = "";
[19:16:26] <KKKarl>	mydomain.tld/wiki redirects to mydomain.tld/index.php?title=Hauptseite
[19:16:34] <KKKarl>	and there is nothing
[19:16:49] <KKKarl>	thats still my problem
[19:17:04] <werdna>	Where's the real Index.php?
[19:17:21] <KKKarl>	its in mydomain.tld/wiki
[19:17:41] <KKKarl>	the installation was for wiki.mydomain.tld
[19:17:48] <KKKarl>	now there is no more subdomain
[19:18:53] <werdna>	ah
[19:19:07] <werdna>	well you want to set $wgScriptPath to '/wiki/'
[19:19:10] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r52475 10/trunk/extensions/ (105 files in 96 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-06-26 19:00 UTC)
[19:19:10] <werdna>	then you'll be in business
[19:20:08] <aquatiki>	ne1 available to help a PHP n00b?
[19:20:26] <werdna>	aquatiki: 1/ Don't ask to ask, just ask.
[19:20:35] <KKKarl>	should be "/wiki" thank you!!!!
[19:20:39] <werdna>	2/ Please type things out properly, your AOL-speak hurts my eyes.
[19:21:09] <werdna>	to answer your question, Title::newFromText returns null if the string you pass is not a valid title
[19:22:04] <werdna>	ah, you left
[19:22:08] <werdna>	aquatiki: 1/ Don't ask to ask, just ask.
[19:22:10] <werdna>	2/ Please type things out properly, your AOL-speak hurts my eyes.
[19:22:13] <werdna>	to answer your question, Title::newFromText returns null if the string you pass is not a valid title
[19:22:28] <aquatiki>	but i know it is!
[19:22:34] <aquatiki>	(a valid title)
[19:22:52] <werdna>	what are you passing in?
[19:23:05] <werdna>	and what's the return value of Title::newFromText()?
[19:23:17] <aquatiki>	i have a page on my wiki "Mark".  "Mk" redirects there.
[19:23:20] <werdna>	for reference for others, the question was 19:19 < aquatiki> but I'm not getting Title or Article objects when I call Title::newFromText(
[19:23:43] <aquatiki>	I wrote $page = Title::newFromText('Mark');
[19:23:52] <werdna>	okay, and what is $page?
[19:23:58] <werdna>	put die( var_dump( $page ) )
[19:24:02] <werdna>	on the next line
[19:24:52] <aquatiki>	blank
[19:25:02] <aquatiki>	but if ($page) works
[19:25:47] <werdna>	what do you mean, blank?
[19:26:11] <aquatiki>	I have this on my actual wiki already.  It returns a blank page.  Should I be doing this from UNIX prompt?
[19:26:56] <werdna>	no, you should put it in the code after $page = Title::newFromText( 'Mark' );
[19:27:03] <werdna>	I missed the smicolon, did you add one?
[19:27:25] <aquatiki>	I did.  It returned nothing.  print $page produces "Mark"
[19:27:48] <werdna>	so what's the problem?
[19:28:12] <aquatiki>	I didn't miss the ;.  $page appears to be text, not an object.
[19:28:24] <werdna>	What makes you say it's text rather than an object?
[19:28:56] <aquatiki>	I get nothing whenever I try ->stuff() (e.g. $page->isRedirect() )
[19:29:09] <werdna>	what do you mean "nothing"?
[19:29:13] <werdna>	do you get a PHP error?
[19:29:17] <aquatiki>	no
[19:29:24] <werdna>	what if you print is_object( $page );
[19:29:37] <aquatiki>	trying...
[19:29:38] <werdna>	then you need to tell me what you mean by 'i get nothing'
[19:30:11] <aquatiki>	1!  That means true!  it IS an object!
[19:30:28] <werdna>	yes, it is.
[19:30:34] <werdna>	Why would you think otherwise?
[19:30:52] <aquatiki>	if ($page) is always true but if($page->isRedirect) is always false (and so are all other ->
[19:31:02] <werdna>	you need the parens
[19:31:14] <werdna>	$page->isRedirect reads a member variable called isRedirect
[19:31:24] <werdna>	$page->isRedirect() calls the function isRedirect
[19:31:37] <aquatiki>	which returns true or false?
[19:32:17] <werdna>	it depends on whether the page is a redirect or not.
[19:32:25] <werdna>	that's the point.
[19:32:33] <aquatiki>	OK.  that did something.  now it dies (it used to go on to render a page in mediawiki)
[19:32:39] <werdna>	oh wait, are you asking if its possible return values are true or false?
[19:32:46] <aquatiki>	yes
[19:32:51] <werdna>	then yes
[19:32:57] <werdna>	so it dies, what's the error?
[19:33:26] <aquatiki>	I can't see errors on my webpage.
[19:34:37] <aquatiki>	I just have little print statements throughout my PHP to tell me where it dies
[19:36:20] <aquatiki>	This is working ... better!
[19:37:42] <aquatiki>	Cool.  Thanks a bunch.  Is there a way to get the redirect target from a Title as opposed to an Article?
[19:38:15] <werdna>	possibly
[19:38:37] <werdna>	look at the source code for the Title object
[19:38:47] <werdna>	but you can get an article from a title with new Article( $title );
[19:38:49] <aquatiki>	i'm pouring over http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/
[19:39:46] <aquatiki>	should i say $article = new Article ($page) or ($page->title()) ?
[19:43:25] <Usama>	hello, say I want a list of the image that are instant from commons in my wiki, how to get it?
[19:44:24] <aquatiki>	thanks werdna, I'll go work on this for a while.. You've been a big help!
[19:47:06] <Nikerabbit>	hi Vyznev
[19:47:27] <Vyznev>	hi Nike
[19:49:37] <werdna>	aqnp
[19:49:41] <werdna>	hi Vyznev 
[19:51:52] <Vyznev>	I suppose Friday night is not the best possible time to look for people with shell access on #wikimedia-tech :)
[19:55:44] <werdna>	I'm a shell user yeah, what's up?
[19:58:28] *Simetrical 	points werdna to #wikimedia-tech
[19:58:59] *Vyznev 	thanks Simetrical :)
[20:26:31] <Janix>	hi
[20:28:02] <roberthl>	is there any reason for requiring the MySQL user to have a password? (i think i asked this before, sorry)
[21:01:18] <Alphos>	roberthl you mean besides security ?
[21:02:05] <Simetrical>	Not necessarily an issue, e.g., for dev boxes.
[21:02:32] <Alphos>	not necessarily, true
[21:02:39] <Alphos>	useful though
[21:04:05] <roberthl>	A password is useful, sure, but not requiring it does not negate its utility. For example, as I have done, it is trivial for the sysadmin to either switch it to an account that doesn't have a password or simply remove the password.
[21:07:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Group "web browser" with "platform"/"OS" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19189  (10happy-melon)
[21:17:53] <TrevorParscal>	amazingly enough, most of my right to left bugs which remain are on Firefox 1 and 2... and also opera... Which makes me feel like I must be doing something very wrong and offensive to have gotten IE 5.5 and 6 to work and not those
[21:21:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SemanticForms autocompletion on property buggy (patch attached) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19406  (10mail)
[21:36:33] <svip>	Damn.
[21:36:46] <svip>	Wait!
[21:37:15] <svip>	Nah... couldn't cheat the parserfunctions. :(
[21:37:34] <svip>	Uuuuh, why can't I have templates inside my {{#ifexpr:}}...!?
[21:39:10] <svip>	Ooo!
[21:39:13] <svip>	+0 wins again!
[21:58:35] <scoobyrico>	does mediawiki have this:  http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:ProblemReports
[21:58:47] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r52476 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialVersion.php): * (bug 14611) Added support showing the version of the image thumbnailing engine.
[21:58:57] <scoobyrico>	ah it does, snap sorry for asking
[22:01:01] <Platonides>	if wikia uses it, it obviously exists :)
[22:01:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Version should show all third party software which it depends on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14611  +comment (10shinjiman)
[22:01:27] <scoobyrico>	yeah big DUH on my part
[22:02:12] <Platonides>	all of us moments of confusion sometimes
[22:05:37] <charitwo>	are there any arguments to Special:Userlogin? like logging into a specific user ?
[22:07:45] <Platonides>	I don't think so
[22:07:58] <Platonides>	the user field is autocompleted if you have the proper cookie
[22:09:46] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52477 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updateSearchIndex.inc: Cleanup for r52382: Call correct function and use tmestamp()
[22:10:46] <^demon>	Platonides: That's a cookie? I just thought that was a browser autocomplete.
[22:12:10] <Platonides>	it's in the source
[22:12:33] <Platonides>	i think it gets it from the _User cookie
[22:12:43] <^demon>	Learn something every day.
[22:40:40] <Simetrical>	werdna, don't you need to specify border: 1px transparent solid?  If you just do 1px transparent, AFAIK border-style is still none, so it won't display regardless of the given width.
[22:44:30] <b0ef>	I'm going nuts, trying to install extensions - trying to install ConfirmEdit and I've grabbed latest 1.15 and the corresponding version for the extension, then put the include line into my config file, but it just won't enable it. Is there somehow to debug this?; does the wiki contain a troubleshooting page?
[22:44:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rebuildrecentchanges.php must purge RSS and Atom feeds - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19055  (10jidanni)
[22:44:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The feed on Special:RecentChanges is cached in random language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19391  (10jidanni)
[22:44:59] <b0ef>	it's like I never edited the configfile or added the ConfirmEdit directory
[22:45:25] <Alphos>	b0ef, what do you use to edit your LocalSettings.php ?
[22:45:38] <b0ef>	Alphos: emacs
[22:45:46] <Simetrical>	b0ef, you put it at the bottom?
[22:46:11] <b0ef>	no, "near" the bottom;) - whatever that means;)
[22:46:17] <b0ef>	just above the last paragraph
[22:46:34] <b0ef>	I'll try moving it a little further up, then..
[22:47:28] <b0ef>	pure guesswork, I guess
[22:49:11] <b0ef>	Alphos: I've now tried 3 different places in the file; no go
[22:50:44] <Alphos>	i don't know emacs at all... still very noob on 'nux... but, though, do you edit directly the file on your distant server ? do you need an FTP client to do that ?
[22:51:35] <b0ef>	Alphos: well, I edit it over ssh, but it can't tell the difference..
[22:51:39] <Alphos>	loads of things like that (and i really mean LOADS) occurred to me as i simply forgot to update the edited file back through ftp...
[22:51:45] <Alphos>	oh, doesn't apply then ^^'
[22:56:12] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52478 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): More browser compatibility fixes.
[22:58:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The feed on Special:RecentChanges is cached in random language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19391  +comment (10greenreaper)
[23:13:48] <scoobyrico>	Alphos:  is there a dependency 'tree' on where you put your require_once in the LocalSettings.php?
[23:14:13] <scoobyrico>	for the extentions, or is it a try it out kind of thing?
[23:14:38] <Alphos>	not exactly, but some extensions require others to work properly, and some of them also do need these required extensions to be required before themselves
[23:14:57] <scoobyrico>	is there a page that lists those?
[23:15:17] <scoobyrico>	or just in the extension pages themselves?
[23:15:20] <Alphos>	i'm afraid not, if you don't count the 1300-ish list
[23:15:38] <Alphos>	yes, theoretically it's said in the extension page itself ;)
[23:15:51] <werdna>	There isn't really much interdependence among extensions.
[23:15:52] <werdna>	Really.
[23:18:59] <Alphos>	i've seen 3 extensions depending on other extensions, so far
[23:19:12] <Alphos>	and i've done almost the 1300 one by one ^^'
[23:19:23] <Alphos>	yet, it exists :D
[23:19:32] <Alphos>	IQED :p
[23:20:15] <mdale>	TrevorParscal: I like your $wgUsabilityInitiativeCoesxistWithMvEmbed flag ;) .. but I think we could just check isset($wgEnableScriptLoader) and not have to configure anything?? .. or well does not really matter.. will have to clean up other things when we merge anyway...  
[23:20:42] <werdna>	that's a long ass-variable name
[23:20:49] <TrevorParscal>	indeed
[23:20:57] <TrevorParscal>	it's going bye bye soon
[23:21:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The logging table needs a log_user_text field so that events from anonymous users can be logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3732  (10jidanni)
[23:21:21] <TrevorParscal>	mdale: if you want to mess with it, go ahead, but I plan on removing this kind of thing once we merge your stuff in - soon
[23:21:28] <mdale>	~right~
[23:21:33] <mdale>	fine how it is
[23:21:56] <werdna>	mdale: you survived london okay? :P
[23:21:57] *werdna 	hides
[23:22:10] *mdale 	stabs werdna
[23:23:06] <mdale>	so TrevorParscal I want to integrate the add media wizard to replace your image embed syntax inserter ;)
[23:23:26] <werdna>	mdale: can't believe ou didn't visit me
[23:23:43] <mdale>	the addmedia wizard can be "targeted" to something like so:  $j('#btn-add-media-wiz').addMediaWiz( config) 
[23:24:57] <TrevorParscal>	mdale: well, from the toolbar perspective, we can just add a new type of tool action, instead of encapsulate (which is the only one right now) we can make it do something which launches your stuff
[23:25:18] <mdale>	oky...
[23:25:19] <TrevorParscal>	or any lightbox type of wizard
[23:25:27] <TrevorParscal>	for that matter
[23:26:17] <mdale>	hmm
[23:26:28] <mdale>	don't see that type in your JSON structure...
[23:26:54] <vvv-away>	werdna: do you know that users can read content of deleted threads?
[23:27:09] *TrevorParscal 	laughs at IE8's compatibility mode button (http://tinyurl.com/ol6z4d)
[23:28:24] <TrevorParscal>	mdale, action: { type: 'encapsulate', options: { etc.. } }
[23:28:30] <mdale>	yea adding it in...
[23:28:34] <TrevorParscal>	if the type were changed
[23:28:36] <mdale>	switch ( action.type) {
[23:28:36] <mdale>						case 'encapsulate':
[23:28:41] <TrevorParscal>	yup
[23:28:42] <mdale>	case 'modal'
[23:28:48] <TrevorParscal>	LOVE IT!
[23:28:53] <TrevorParscal>	options can tell it whatever
[23:29:28] <TrevorParscal>	this way, more and more can be added, and it's all customizable with just changing the one object
[23:30:51] *TrevorParscal 	has been working hard to make everything work everywhere -> http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases/Acai/Compatibility_Matrix
[23:31:03] <TrevorParscal>	but some things are just being plain stubborn
[23:31:40] <mdale>	don't waste too much time on things like ff-1 or ff-2 
[23:31:44] <mdale>	they are very small percentage..
[23:31:52] <TrevorParscal>	yeah, and it's only on RTL
[23:31:56] <mdale>	yea..
[23:31:57] <TrevorParscal>	which is even more tiny
[23:32:07] <TrevorParscal>	and IE 5.5 will never work with jQuery
[23:32:10] <TrevorParscal>	afaik
[23:32:31] <TrevorParscal>	so that's not really a typical failure - it's expected failure
[23:32:32] <mdale>	yea.. ie 5 might as well be considered a JavaScript -disabled browser ;) 
[23:32:40] <TrevorParscal>	yes
[23:32:52] <TrevorParscal>	in fact, I need to actually disable the toolbar in that browser
[23:33:00] <TrevorParscal>	cause it just gives errors and shows nothing as it is
[23:34:05] <TrevorParscal>	oooh - 5ft waves tomorow!
[23:34:22] <TrevorParscal>	and warm weather!
[23:34:24] <TrevorParscal>	woo hoo
[23:34:31] *TrevorParscal 	goes surfing
[23:34:46] <roberthl>	was too humid in london this afternoon :(
[23:35:35] <TrevorParscal>	roberthl: how humid is too humid?
[23:36:04] <roberthl>	probably a lot less than you're used to ;)
[23:36:33] <roberthl>	the tube was the worst though
[23:37:43] <Mike_lifeguard>	roberthl: same here... and I wore jeans thinking it was going to be a cool rainy day
[23:38:00] *Mike_lifeguard 	took about 2 hours to un-melt after work :(
[23:40:26] <roberthl>	yup, too bad
[23:49:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hiding categories via CSS violates accessibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15637  (10jidanni)
[23:50:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hiding categories via CSS violates accessibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15637  (10jidanni)
[23:50:52] <mdale>	TrevorParscal: the toolbar thing is a bit tricky.. since I do on-demand loading of so many things.. maybe pre-load more stuff... anyway I am off for now If I get a chance I will take a look at it. 
[23:51:11] <TrevorParscal>	ok
[23:51:12] <TrevorParscal>	cool
[23:51:16] <TrevorParscal>	me too actually
[23:51:18] <TrevorParscal>	cyall!