[00:10:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database update for l10n_cache fails on non-EN installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19447  (10tstarling)
[00:24:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Opening a Wikipedia article results in attempt to download gzipped version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7098  (10hno)
[00:30:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) user passwords are visible in plaintext in LocalSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19472  +comment (10jidanni)
[00:30:45] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52758 10/branches/maintenance-work/ (164 files in 16 dirs): Merge r52510-r52756 from trunk.
[00:30:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Missing tooltips and accesskeys - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19505 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (hartman)
[00:33:15] <thedj>	hehe. that'll keep trevor busy :D
[00:33:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) non-corrected accesskey tooltips. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19506 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (hartman)
[00:41:29] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52759 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (bug 19503) Missing definition for #filetoc. Move various toc declarations out of Monobook and Modern and into common.
[00:41:38] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Missing definition for #filetoc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19503  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:42:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Invalid HTML on Main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19507 enhancement; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (jidanni)
[00:43:58] <charitwo>	...
[00:44:08] <^demon>	?
[00:45:49] <Mike_lifeguard>	hm, we haven't banned them yet
[00:45:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Color combo's suited for visual impaired. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19508 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (hartman)
[00:46:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	I guess he must have accidentally submitted a reasonable bug report so we couldn't justify it any more XD
[00:46:26] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52760 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updaters.inc: (bug 19316) Move do_unique_pl_tl_il to 1.15
[00:46:29] <^demon>	Most of his have at least some truth to them.
[00:46:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) do_unique_pl_tl_il is 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19316  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:47:00] <^demon>	Anyone have anything easy they need committed tonight? I'm bored.
[00:47:03] <Mike_lifeguard>	I didn't say "true" I said "reasonable"
[00:47:15] <Mike_lifeguard>	^demon: as in a patch? or some easy bug to fix?
[00:47:25] <^demon>	They're usually buried under perl scripts and comments about how we hate text browsers.
[00:47:35] <Mike_lifeguard>	I can definitely do the latter... some input validation on Special:Userrights
[00:47:36] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: Patches are welcome, but if it's easy enough I might do it.
[00:48:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	I imagine this one is easy: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17864 
[00:48:19] <thedj>	^demon: well done :D
[00:48:44] <^demon>	thedj: Hm?
[00:48:50] <thedj>	filetoc
[00:49:04] <^demon>	thedj: It took 10 seconds.
[00:49:14] <^demon>	But you're welcome :)
[00:49:32] <thedj>	yeah but someone always has to do it. 
[00:50:02] <Splarka>	thedj: have you opened a bug about the insane tabbing in the page source in vector ?
[00:50:42] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: You're saying that does work as a url query but not in pretty url form?
[00:50:50] <thedj>	Splarka: no ...
[00:51:07] <Splarka>	t-upload is indented 48 tabs
[00:51:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	hmm, no
[00:51:26] <Splarka>	all the pt <li> about 20
[00:53:11] <Mike_lifeguard>	^demon: It looks to me like _ isn't being converted to a space properly... because those two urls /should/ be providing exactly the same input
[00:53:43] *Mike_lifeguard 	checks what happens when you provide Some nick vs Some_nick directly to the form...
[00:53:46] <thedj>	Splarka: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-vectorskin-thunks.js
[00:54:30] <Mike_lifeguard>	^demon: AHH, it does work ok if you put stuff into the form directly... it's just when you do it via the url it doesn't work
[00:54:47] <Splarka>	yah, ugly hack
[00:54:56] <Splarka>	the skin should just be better X_X
[00:54:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	Of course, providing input via URL is a very common way of doing it :D
[00:55:05] <thedj>	Splarka: indeed.
[00:55:51] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: Hmm ok.
[00:56:24] <^demon>	Seems like it should, but I dunno.
[00:56:39] <zocky>	hi folks
[00:56:40] <zocky>	say congrat
[00:56:41] <zocky>	s
[00:57:44] *zocky 	has a new family member
[00:58:30] <thedj>	zocky: where you a key element to this development ?
[00:58:56] <zocky>	thedj, well, I was told that I helped :)
[00:59:13] *thedj 	doesn't know WHAT to think now......
[01:01:18] <zocky>	in short, I'm now a father of a 3.9 kg, 52 cm boy
[01:01:34] <thedj>	congrats !
[01:01:56] <zocky>	ta
[01:02:54] <thedj>	now get the heck out of IRC !, you are a father now, you have to start being responsible. Otherwise the little one will be /wc /me and /kick'ing in no time. Better keep it to the Wii for the time being :D
[01:03:27] <thedj>	zocky: when will the little one learn JavaScript ?
[01:03:33] <zocky>	well, I don't have much to do for the next 3 days, apart from cleaning the house and getting drunk
[01:03:55] <zocky>	thedj, hehe, I said "we're starting with fractions tomorrow" like 10 minutes after he was born :)
[01:07:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) I logged in to zh.wikipedia.org and it says I am $1. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19454  (10jidanni)
[01:07:58] <thedj>	congrats to all 3. least of them to you, you hardly did anything so far, your job is only starting now, which gets you a "good luck and thanks for all the fish" :D
[01:09:17] <zocky>	yeah, everybody asks me "how was the labour"?
[01:09:24] <zocky>	and I say "for me, it was quite easy"
[01:14:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) I logged in to zh.wikipedia.org and it says I am $1. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19454  (10jidanni)
[01:16:14] <zocky>	that's cheap
[01:28:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) can't upload to file called '0' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19509 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (wonder)
[01:34:35] <Subfader>	When a new page is created I want to save the category names in a seperate table. I just dunno where to start. Can I use the ArticleInsertComplete hook?
[01:35:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgEnotifWatchlist disabled, but option available on preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19468  +comment (10jidanni)
[01:37:44] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52761 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php): (bug 19509) can't upload to file called '0'. Patch by Lee Worden.
[01:38:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) can't upload to file called '0' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19509  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[01:46:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) $wgEnotifWatchlist disabled, but option available on preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19468  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[01:46:54] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52762 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Preferences.php): (bug 19468) $wgEnotifWatchlist disabled, but option available on preferences
[04:26:19] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Image link= parameter is ignored when image uses thumb or frame - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17398  +comment (10subfader)
[04:34:16] *charitwo 	still ponders the brb
[04:47:35] <Fleetflame>	I'm looking for Splarka
[04:47:44] *Fleetflame 	remembers PM
[04:59:36] <chuck>	Dantman: Seen this yet? http://github.com/visionmedia/express/tree/master
[04:59:45] <chuck>	looks like something you might be interested in ;-)
[05:04:02] <Dantman>	Looks like another fail to me
[05:05:01] <Dantman>	node.js is another of the dozens of ssjs things not part of ServerJS
[05:06:07] <chuck>	node.js seemed nice to me
[05:06:09] <Dantman>	pay attention to only http responses, ignore a standard environment, ignore all other areas like db access, image manipulation, etc... = fail
[05:06:23] <chuck>	and that framework looks like a microframewotk like sinatra is
[05:06:59] <Dantman>	^_^ Fine, but someone else could easily build one of those using ServerJS
[05:07:36] <Dantman>	What I really want to see is a nice standard environment
[05:08:09] <Dantman>	Everyone seams to be obsessed with http responses and forget that JS is minimal and doesn't include a lot of the normal String/Array manipulation functions
[05:08:32] <Dantman>	Array doesn't even have diff/intersect
[05:40:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Linkify Gadgets-definition page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19510 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Gadgets; (oq9pscb02)
[06:11:28] <Alphos>	werdna, i was thinking of the guy who thought the "bug" he found with trunk extension + MW 1.15, saying anyone could end up downloading those instead f matching ones...
[06:12:21] <Alphos>	next time he (re)opens a bug about that, tys and get him to admit that diesel fuel car owners may also end up paying for gasoline and get their car to bug :)
[06:12:40] <Alphos>	s/tys/try
[06:25:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 404 error when navigating away from the mobile site to regular Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19511 major; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (FastLizard4)
[06:36:09] <CIA-58>	03dale * r52763 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libEmbedVideo/embedVideo.js: oggz_chop native support issues
[06:57:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Embbed REVISIONID is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19499  (10umherirrender_de.wp)
[07:34:16] <Harpa>	hello
[07:35:00] <Harpa>	i have small questions about licensing from articles. is this welcome too?
[07:42:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Tooltips for Semantic Forms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19512 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (thomas.baero)
[07:43:18] <OverlordQ>	Harpa: depends onw hat the question is
[07:45:59] <Harpa>	thx overlord 
[07:46:56] <Harpa>	i search for a very liberal licence. it should be possible to use all articles also for commercial purposes.
[07:47:20] <OverlordQ>	cc-by-sa?
[07:48:18] <Harpa>	mhm. thx
[07:50:10] <Harpa>	must the authored be named?
[07:50:16] <Harpa>	author
[07:50:36] <Splarka>	the 'by' part there, yah
[07:51:38] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_license#Original_licenses
[07:52:27] <Harpa>	hmmm, i think i ask the same question again from an other perspective ;-)
[07:53:16] <Harpa>	i write a documentation for Linux Certification (LPI). and it should be possible, that others can correct text, or write articles too.
[07:53:39] <Harpa>	it should be possible to print a book for training purposes (i am a trainer)
[07:54:02] <Harpa>	i want, that the original author should be named, and the website also.
[07:54:17] <Harpa>	The trainings are commercial
[07:55:19] <Splarka>	suggest what WMF switched to: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ (from GFDL, which is rather similar regarding commercial reuse)
[07:56:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Vector Skin needs hook similar to SkinTemplateContentActions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19304  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[07:59:01] <Harpa>	mhm. looks good too.
[07:59:20] <Harpa>	is it possible to limit changes only to the original webpage?
[08:00:18] <Harpa>	hmm, forget this question. it is a bad idea
[08:02:07] <Harpa>	i installed the wiki and began to write. i want now change the licence. is it enough to do this in the configuration file, or is there something in the database too?
[08:12:25] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52764 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (Configure.diff.php Configure.func.php Configure.page.php): 
[08:12:25] <CIA-58>	* removed calls to wfLoadExtensionMessages()
[08:12:25] <CIA-58>	* replaced some makeKnownLinkObj by linkKnown
[08:12:25] <CIA-58>	* escape 'configure-old-changes' message (was passed raw to the output) and user names when the change was made on another wiki
[08:15:44] <ialex>	Harpa: configuration file is enough
[08:17:35] <Harpa>	thx
[09:16:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new pages don't have yellow background - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19496  (10fantasticfears)
[10:42:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Minor changes for the new search UI for RTL wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19513 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (ahmad.m.sherif)
[10:53:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new pages don't have yellow background - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19496  +comment (10hartman)
[11:04:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bullet list symbol background not transparent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19514 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (xu.jimmy.wrk)
[11:04:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bullet list symbol background not transparent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19514  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[11:23:07] <webmasteroli>	hello!, currently im trying to install this
[11:23:08] <webmasteroli>	$wgStylePath}/common/images/logo replace.jpg;
[11:23:16] <webmasteroli>	but when i went back to my wiki it was down.
[11:23:22] <webmasteroli>	i wondered if anything bad could be happening?
[11:24:39] <webmasteroli>	anyone?
[11:24:49] <webmasteroli>	hello?
[11:24:52] <webmasteroli>	:(
[11:25:24] <webmasteroli>	i really need some help....
[11:25:56] <Oliver2>	hello?
[11:26:40] <Oliver2>	is anyone alive?
[11:26:42] <Splarka>	did ya put it in quotes?
[11:26:49] <Oliver2>	ahh!
[11:26:50] <Splarka>	and have some patience
[11:26:50] <Oliver2>	Nope
[11:26:52] <Oliver2>	:d
[11:26:59] <Oliver2>	Sorry Splarka
[11:27:21] <Oliver2>	<<<is used to Firefox irc
[11:27:27] <Splarka>	$wgLogo	= "{$wgStylePath}/common/images/logo%20replace.jpg";
[11:27:29] <Oliver2>	Should i put em in quotes
[11:27:30] <Splarka>	give that a try, maybe
[11:27:57] <Oliver2>	Oki
[11:27:58] <Splarka>	though it is usually easier to just rename it to wiki.png ^_^
[11:28:09] <Oliver2>	hehe
[11:32:18] <Oliver2>	Thanks!
[11:32:20] <Oliver2>	one small problem
[11:32:30] <Oliver2>	its not in the right place
[11:32:48] <Oliver2>	its hidden http://oliverszondi.com/imagewiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page
[11:34:07] <Splarka>	so, where is it?
[11:35:07] <Splarka>	http://oliverszondi.com/imagewiki/skins/common/shared.css?207  is working, but http://oliverszondi.com/imagewiki/skins/common/images/logo%20replace.jpg does not
[11:35:12] <Splarka>	you sure it is in the folder and readable and named properly?
[11:36:04] <Oliver2>	yup.
[11:36:35] <Splarka>	so what is the external URL to show it? where is it?
[11:36:43] <Splarka>	you need to know that before you can set $wgLogo
[11:37:03] <Splarka>	all $wgLogo does is echo what you tell it, into the background of the <a> there
[11:37:23] <Oliver2>	http://oliverszondi.com/imagewiki/logo%20replace.jpg
[11:37:45] <Splarka>	erm, so why were you trying "$wgStylePath}/common/images/logo replace.jpg;"
[11:37:46] <Oliver2>	thats where its located.
[11:37:47] <Oliver2>	:D
[11:38:00] <Oliver2>	im not sure Spalarka
[11:38:04] <Oliver2>	im not a web designer.
[11:38:05] <Splarka>	if it isn't in /commons/ or /commons/images/ or the stylepath
[11:38:23] <Splarka>	$wgLogo = "/imagewiki/logo%20replace.jpg";
[11:39:17] <Oliver2>	Thanks!
[11:39:22] <Oliver2>	small Q
[11:39:28] <Oliver2>	whats the best Size for the logo?
[11:39:31] <Guest15183>	hello
[11:39:55] <Guest15183>	wmv player extention
[11:39:56] <Splarka>	generally 135x135 is suggested
[11:40:12] <Splarka>	the space itself is 12em x 160px
[11:41:59] <Oliver2>	Wonderful
[11:42:01] <Oliver2>	:)
[11:42:12] <Guest15183>	Is there any extention for playing WMV files ?
[11:42:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) I logged in to zh.wikipedia.org and it says I am $1. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19454  (10Platonides)
[11:47:57] <luna6>	is there a way to disable table of contents entirely?
[11:49:07] <Splarka>	depending on version, you could (older mw) set the default pref to not show TOC, and run the maintenance script to force everyone's current prefs to have it disabled
[11:49:29] <Splarka>	or (newer) I think you can have it a hidden pref now, using the new prefs system in 1.16
[11:49:43] <Wiki0919>	Is there any extention for playing WMV files?
[11:52:48] <LauraHale>	yes
[11:53:08] *LauraHale 	can't recall though and I think the files have t be streamed off wiki
[11:56:14] <Wiki0919>	??
[11:57:06] <luna6>	thanks splarka ... i edited the parser.php and raised the limit to something absurdly high seems to work
[11:57:25] <Splarka>	ugh
[11:57:35] <Splarka>	core hacks lead to bad backs
[12:19:22] <Oliver2>	Hello.
[12:19:24] <Oliver2>	i need some help
[12:19:27] <Oliver2>	i wish to embed a video into a wiki
[12:19:33] <Oliver2>	any ideas on how i do this?
[12:19:36] <Oliver2>	i have the emebedding code
[12:20:45] <Oliver2>	<embed src="http://blip.tv/play/gZsWu_hYjNEt" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="640" height="510" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed> 
[12:20:49] <Oliver2>	would be the code.
[12:21:14] <Oliver2>	but when putting this into my wiki it seems to cause problems
[12:23:23] <Oliver2>	any ideas?
[12:23:42] <Oliver2>	:)
[12:24:41] <Oliver2>	?
[12:26:22] <Oliver2>	anyone?
[12:26:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database update for l10n_cache fails on non-EN installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19447  (10jodeldi)
[12:27:20] <Oliver2>	wiki?
[12:28:47] <Oliver2>	Oliver2>	i need some help
[12:28:48] <Oliver2>		<Oliver2>	i wish to embed a video into a wiki
[12:28:50] <Oliver2>		<Oliver2>	any ideas on how i do this?
[12:28:52] <Oliver2>		<Oliver2>	i have the emebedding code
[12:28:54] <Oliver2>		<Oliver2>	<embed src="http://blip.tv/play/gZsWu_hYjNEt" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="640" height="510" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed> 
[12:29:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bullet list symbol background not transparent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19514  +comment (10Amalthea.wikimedia)
[12:30:28] <Oliver2>	:( can someone help me?
[12:30:45] <Oliver2>	all i need to know is how to embed videos into a mediawiki
[12:32:17] <Oliver2>	anyone?
[12:34:30] <rainman-sr>	search on mediawiki.org
[12:39:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Creation of Meadow Mari Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19515 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (millosh)
[13:29:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) function userAdjust() handled user time zone not correct - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19516 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[14:12:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new pages don't have yellow background - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19496  (10liangent)
[14:13:12] <dmb_>	perl mw::api ppl?
[14:13:30] <dmb_>	want to grab one field of a template for all pages in a cat
[14:13:44] <dmb_>	(using perl)
[14:13:59] <dmb_>	http://search.cpan.org/dist/MediaWiki-API/lib/MediaWiki/API.pm
[14:16:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new pages don't have yellow background - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19496  (10liangent)
[14:21:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) variant links are invisible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19495  (10shinjiman)
[14:27:02] <QCoder00>	Hi
[14:27:14] <QCoder00>	How do I make a technical request for a Mediawiki feature?
[14:27:23] <^demon>	Bugzilla.
[14:27:32] <^demon>	!bugzilla | QCoder00
[14:27:32] --mwbot--	QCoder00: All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate.
[14:27:47] <QCoder00>	OK
[14:28:09] <QCoder00>	The enhacment rleates to the File:namespace
[14:28:27] <^demon>	Yeah, file it under MediaWiki under Images/Files or something
[14:28:36] <QCoder00>	Currently , {{information}} has to be added manually
[14:29:08] <QCoder00>	If what the ({{information}}  template does was implmented as part of the way the namespace works it would be automaticly added
[14:29:44] <QCoder00>	and could be generated at upload, based on uploader supplied values
[14:30:18] <QCoder00>	Another enhanchment would be to have some internal flagging system for files so that they could be flagged up for missing information automatically
[14:30:31] <QCoder00>	rather than having to have massacre tagging of Talk pages
[14:31:05] <dmb_>	massacre tagging?
[14:31:16] <^demon>	Try to keep one enhancement per bug though. It gets confusing when someone puts 5 different ideas into one bug.
[14:31:28] <^demon>	It would 
[14:31:28] <QCoder00>	dmb_:  Mass sweeps for No source, No license, No details
[14:31:42] <^demon>	s/It would//
[14:31:48] <dmb_>	I see
[14:32:02] <QCoder00>	Currently a lot of these sweeps are done by bots
[14:32:20] <dmb_>	check
[14:32:21] <QCoder00>	I fell it could be done better as an internal function inside the MediaWiki software
[14:32:30] <dmb_>	right
[14:33:26] <QCoder00>	if some kind of  Compliance flag word where used for File: namespace  pages then that compliance flage word could also be used to inform users about images that were not
[14:33:28] <QCoder00>	compliant
[14:33:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) variant links are invisible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19495  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[14:33:53] <QCoder00>	At the very least such a Compliance flag word would need to have :
[14:33:58] <QCoder00>	- Source present
[14:34:05] <QCoder00>	- License Present 
[14:34:12] <QCoder00>	- Free licence
[14:34:17] <QCoder00>	- Rationale Present
[14:34:22] <QCoder00>	- Author known
[14:34:29] <QCoder00>	- Date of work known
[14:34:55] <QCoder00>	All of which would be simple check-boxes
[14:35:12] <QCoder00>	in a user interface
[14:36:57] <dmb_>	QCoder00: but I don't care about that stuff on my wiki
[14:37:08] <QCoder00>	dmb_: true
[14:37:24] <^demon>	Good use of an extension.
[14:37:28] <^demon>	Like FlaggedRevs
[14:37:29] <dmb_>	QCoder00: see SMW
[14:37:43] <dmb_>	^demon: is that the 'versioning' system?
[14:37:44] <QCoder00>	But this was intended was semi-professional grade installations where rights managment is essential
[14:37:52] <dmb_>	is that on the german mw?
[14:38:06] <dmb_>	QCoder00: go for it
[14:38:06] <^demon>	Yeah, it's been on de.
[14:38:28] <dmb_>	is it the 'big one' that was getting talked about?
[14:38:41] <dmb_>	i.e. anon edits don't show up until they get 'flagged'?
[14:38:41] <QCoder00>	I can't code this myself but would like to propose a better soloution to image managment compared to massacre tagging and malfunctioning bots
[14:38:53] <dmb_>	QCoder00: right
[14:39:03] <dmb_>	you need to talk to WP devs...
[14:39:14] <dmb_>	not sure if that is in here or not
[14:39:17] <p858snake>	QCoder00: bad idea on many levels for it to inculded in core
[14:39:28] <QCoder00>	Why?
[14:39:31] <dmb_>	QCoder00: it would be an extension
[14:39:45] <dmb_>	but that is no problem
[14:40:01] <QCoder00>	Image managment is a pain
[14:40:05] <QCoder00>	on Wikipedia
[14:40:15] <p858snake>	part from not everyone wants it, its a template you would have to inculde, doesn't really archive anything, you can already preload templates in the edit feilds
[14:40:38] <QCoder00>	having some degree of automatic compliance checking in MediaWiki would help eleminate some problems
[14:40:40] <p858snake>	QCoder00: just because something is a pain on wikipedia doesn't mean it is on all sites that use mediawiki
[14:40:59] <QCoder00>	Point taken
[14:41:05] <dmb_>	p858snake: but its reasonable to code a fix 
[14:41:06] <^demon>	It would be an extension, for sure.
[14:41:16] <p858snake>	and having that in mediawiki would make it no way automatic, it would be the same as any other article text
[14:41:34] <^demon>	I for one don't have time to do it though. :\
[14:41:42] <QCoder00>	p858snake: To work it would need all Images to have 'Compliance' flagword
[14:41:47] <QCoder00>	which could be configured 
[14:41:52] *dmb_ 	wonders how much of the crazy stuff that goes on in WP could use code ...
[14:42:13] <^demon>	dmb_: I propose replacing editors with code.
[14:42:18] <dmb_>	check
[14:42:32] <p858snake>	i second ^demon's motion.
[14:42:47] <dmb_>	^demon: I propose replacing articles with Wolfram beta
[14:42:47] <^demon>	I'd also like to replace most bug reporters with code.
[14:43:01] <dmb_>	got testing suite?
[14:43:20] <QCoder00>	One aspect of this that I'd really like to see is some automatic notifcation of image problems that users a seperate talk page
[14:43:29] <^demon>	dmb_: Eh, it works to some extent.
[14:43:44] <dmb_>	;-)
[14:43:47] <QCoder00>	So that you get a notifcation about image issues, seperatly from other 'content' message on a talk page
[14:44:19] <p858snake>	and the information template on en.wiki isn't even required, its just a nice way that most people have adopted to use
[14:44:25] <^demon>	QCoder00: It's certainly doable. Wouldn't be terribly hard either.
[14:45:20] <QCoder00>	The extension I am disscussing here would need something like {{infromation}}
[14:45:30] <QCoder00>	*{{information}}
[14:45:42] <QCoder00>	because that's how it determines if certain fields are missing
[14:46:00] <^demon>	It would probably be implemented more in PHP and less in the template, but the idea itself is solid.
[14:46:42] <QCoder00>	Licence checking would be against a known list
[14:46:59] <QCoder00>	(Say for example a specfic set of templates listed in a Category:)
[14:48:08] <QCoder00>	Because the check would be made each time the image is accessed or saved, the flag would be updated semi-automatically
[14:49:03] <p858snake>	you would never get away with every access, espically on somewhere like en.wiki, brion would simply kill you for that
[14:49:15] <QCoder00>	Well on every save then
[14:49:24] <^demon>	Which is why it wouldn't be based on templates/categories, it would need its own tracking table.
[14:49:25] <QCoder00>	which is when the flag is most likley to change
[14:49:30] <^demon>	And you can cache the status until page update.
[14:49:46] <dmb_>	QCoder00: what about all the bot maintainers? You think they want to be out of a job?
[14:50:19] <dmb_>	if your 12 an live in the middle of america, there isn't much to do...
[14:50:30] <QCoder00>	The aim of this is to move functionality currently done by bots into an extension , so that the system works smarter 
[14:50:54] <dmb_>	I know
[14:51:10] <QCoder00>	meaning that people can concentrate on the serious things like finding actual copyvio's than trival lack of licence issues
[14:51:16] <dmb_>	you just have to think about who to discuss it with
[14:51:49] <dmb_>	QCoder00: file your feature request, then get a bunch of editors to endorse the idea somehow
[14:52:05] <dmb_>	that way you are more likely to attract a dev
[14:52:27] <QCoder00>	Anyway, The User Upload manager would essentialy be a tabular display which shows a series of tick/crosses against images for various compliance flags
[14:53:03] <QCoder00>	Any with crosses would show up in a highlighted manner.
[14:53:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) variant links are invisible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19495  (10liangent)
[14:54:06] <QCoder00>	When saving an udpated page to the Image:namespace - The Compliance flags would be checked against the updated page, the compliance database updated and if any problems found
[14:54:17] <^demon>	Probably wouldn't be worth attempting until at least the new-upload branch is merged. Any work on Special:Upload right now is pretty much a waste of time.
[14:54:18] <QCoder00>	uploaders informed by a notfication when they log in..
[14:54:37] <QCoder00>	^demon: Whats changing on Special:Upload right now?
[14:55:05] <p858snake>	and if it did notify them, they would just fake the info like they do now so nonfree images get though...
[14:55:07] <^demon>	The backend to it is being rewritten.
[14:57:31] <QCoder00>	p858snake: This isn't intended to solve that issue
[14:58:01] <QCoder00>	It's intended to solve the issue of 'missing' source/licences... rather than incorrect ones
[14:58:51] <QCoder00>	If an uploader  has to 'lie' about an image, that at least gives admins more clout to banninate them
[14:59:15] <p858snake>	incorrect licences would make it even worse because you would need to check every file where as you can easilish find files without the tags
[15:00:30] <QCoder00>	Hmm
[15:00:47] <QCoder00>	Maybe my compliance flags also need a way for an admin to say , hang on this is a wrong un?
[15:01:06] <QCoder00>	So that rather than a templated tag, all you do is click a check box and the system does the rest?
[15:01:12] <dmb_>	so, I can query the pages in the cat (would have been quicker to copy and paste a list but...), can anyone help with grabbing a field of the template in that page?
[15:01:29] <dmb_>	QCoder00: some idea of 'licence checked' should be impl
[15:01:49] <dmb_>	dmb_: which is why I suggest talking to the ppl who do this using bots already
[15:01:57] <QCoder00>	(Granted some tools like Twinkle can to an extent do point and click managment)
[15:02:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image cascading protection issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483  (10shubinator1)
[15:02:29] <QCoder00>	But at present things get done to tlak pages where some more centralised per-user Upload manager would seem to be better
[15:02:43] <QCoder00>	People ignore talk pages
[15:02:51] <p858snake>	dmb_: well flagged revs in a way can be used for licence checking because once its checked, you can just flagg the page
[15:02:59] <dmb_>	right
[15:03:11] <QCoder00>	They would be less inclinced to ignore a large RED banner which refuses to go away until you fix the issue
[15:04:19] <QCoder00>	I.E " Image:<Blah> Which you updated has no licence, Wikipedia cannot use your image without this information!" on every page you vist might make you take notice?
[15:04:30] <p858snake>	which would mean they would just fake the information, therefore making it worse
[15:04:52] <dmb_>	p858snake: he's suggesting you need to go find a guru to sign off on your imges
[15:05:00] <QCoder00>	People will fake information regardless
[15:05:03] <dmb_>	QCoder00: why not do that for every page too?
[15:05:06] <QCoder00>	dmb_: I'm not actually
[15:05:12] <dmb_>	oh, sorry
[15:05:22] <QCoder00>	Flagged Images would be unworkable
[15:05:23] <p858snake>	dmb_: not with a big red banner he aint
[15:05:28] <QCoder00>	and VERY anti-wiki
[15:05:35] <dmb_>	every page!!!
[15:05:57] <dmb_>	delete everyting so far and lets start again... PROPERLY THIS TIEM!
[15:06:16] *dmb_ 	gets distracted easily -- sorry dudes
[15:06:27] <^demon>	dmb_: I've been saying that for 4 years.
[15:06:29] <QCoder00>	The intention is that the 'Image Problem notifcation' works like the New Talk page messages notifcation, but with slightly more emphasis
[15:07:06] <QCoder00>	So that you get the notifcation as an alert when you log in rather than as a talk page message
[15:07:35] <QCoder00>	Talk pages needed to be split so that File namespace issues can be recorded seperatly from other content issues
[15:07:55] <QCoder00>	That's a config issue though more than a software coding one
[15:07:56] <^demon>	What we really need is a clean way in core to deliver UI messages like that. *sigh*
[15:08:18] <dmb_>	QCoder00: I see
[15:08:41] <dmb_>	does the api even do template parameters specifically?
[15:08:50] <dmb_>	I'm sure I saw something about that
[15:08:55] <MrZ-man>	sort of
[15:08:55] <QCoder00>	Ideally ,  one soloution would be for people to have two talk pages per user account
[15:09:09] <dmb_>	MrZ-man: which page?
[15:09:10] <QCoder00>	one for non File issues and the other for the File issues
[15:09:28] <QCoder00>	That as a temporary measure would fit into existing bot usage
[15:09:42] <QCoder00>	(although you'd need to change the bots to use the modified namespaces)
[15:10:19] <QCoder00>	I.E All the messages about File problems go to Uploads Talk :<User name>
[15:10:22] <MrZ-man>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=expandtemplates&text={{Foo|Bar=Baz}}&generatexml&format=txtfm
[15:11:02] <dmb_>	Returns preprocessed wikitext (comments stripped, templates expanded, etc.)
[15:11:41] <p858snake>	QCoder00: then people would want a NS for every issue which would cause even more mis-management
[15:11:58] <QCoder00>	Good point
[15:12:11] <QCoder00>	Different thought
[15:12:13] <dmb_>	MrZ-man: The prsetree looks like what I want
[15:12:33] <QCoder00>	could some kind of priority be used to modify the New messages notifcation?
[15:13:01] <^demon>	Heh. Everytime I start to do something with the skin I give up and walk away after like 30 seconds.
[15:13:20] <QCoder00>	I.e A notifcation about a bad image has a "You must fix this NOW!" tone on the New message notifcation rather than , You have mail - read it sometime ?
[15:13:22] <dmb_>	MrZ-man: looking here:http://www.bioinformatics.org/wiki/Thermodynamics_and_Kinetics_for_the_Biological_Sciences_(Hammes) <- how to get what you just showed?
[15:13:44] <dmb_>	hrm... I want to write to it too though
[15:13:57] <^demon>	QCoder00: That would need something like bug 12681 fixed.
[15:14:02] <dmb_>	i.e. find and replace on all 'title=' text 
[15:14:04] <MrZ-man>	you'd have to use 2 queries, one to get the text first
[15:14:09] <^demon>	What we need is like a generic injectBanner() method in OutputPage or something.
[15:14:18] <dmb_>	MrZ-man: and one to write it back?
[15:14:33] <MrZ-man>	well, 3 then
[15:14:53] <dmb_>	ahhh
[15:14:54] <MrZ-man>	get the text, get the parse tree, write it back
[15:15:02] <dmb_>	right
[15:15:23] <MrZ-man>	wait, no, you can get the text and the parse tree together
[15:15:24] <dmb_>	I'd rater just use perl if MW won't give me the pointer
[15:15:55] <dmb_>	I'm surprised mediawiki::api dosn't have some convenience things for this
[15:16:06] <dmb_>	but nothing jumps out 
[15:16:49] <MrZ-man>	http://www.bioinformatics.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Thermodynamics%20and%20Kinetics%20for%20the%20Biological%20Sciences%20%28Hammes%29&rvprop=content&rvgeneratexml&format=txtfm
[15:19:11] <dmb_>	MrZ-man: where is rvgeneratexml documented?
[15:21:55] <MrZ-man>	besides in http://www.bioinformatics.org/w/api.php it doesn't look like it is
[15:22:12] <dmb_>	ty
[15:22:35] <dmb_>	I guess that explains why it isn't used in the perl module
[15:22:54] <dmb_>	I just assumed I'd be able to get and set template parameters easily
[15:23:16] <dmb_>	$page-template->parameter() 
[15:23:25] <dmb_>	 nm
[15:23:48] <CIA-58>	03demon * r52765 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: (bug 17711) say each member of $wgSpamRegex still needs to be wrapped in slash marks
[15:24:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) say each member of $wgSpamRegex still needs to be wrapped in slash marks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17711  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:26:16] <dmb_>	MrZ-man: thanks for help
[15:29:43] <^demon>	Op?
[15:32:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Embbed REVISIONID is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19499  (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:34:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) variant links are invisible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19495  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[15:34:56] <dmb_>	MrZ-man: its easier to use per re than the xml ;-) (for me that is0
[15:42:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) variant links are invisible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19495  +comment (10rainman)
[16:34:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page titles in Special:Contributions are not HTML-escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19517 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (Amalthea.wikimedia)
[16:37:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page titles in Special:Contributions are not HTML-escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19517  (10Amalthea.wikimedia)
[16:46:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) line number missing by action=parse&prop=sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19417  (10dr.trigon)
[16:53:52] <DrHalan2>	hey i just did a clean install of medawiki but the edit buttons are broke
[16:53:57] <DrHalan2>	look here wiki.freakybytes.org
[16:56:17] <Prodego>	that's interesting
[16:57:15] <Prodego>	DrHalan2: is that SVN HEAD?
[16:57:39] <DrHalan2>	Prodego: nah thats 1.15.0
[16:57:47] <Prodego>	hmmm
[16:58:01] <DrHalan2>	i had a wiki that had that error. so i did a clean install with new database prefix but it didn't fix that
[16:58:24] <Prodego>	I'm not really a mediawiki expert, I'm afraid
[16:58:44] <Prodego>	because no error is shown I would guess it has to do with the webserver
[16:59:34] <Prodego>	hmm, no, maybe not, since I can get...
[16:59:49] <DrHalan2>	yeah seemsl ike an php error
[16:59:54] <DrHalan2>	but my other stuff on the server runs fine...
[17:01:14] <Prodego>	DrHalan2: I thought so, until I tried this: http://wiki.freakybytes.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=delete
[17:01:21] <Prodego>	and that works
[17:01:30] <Prodego>	(in that it shows the you don't have permission message)
[17:01:45] <Prodego>	if that works, http://wiki.freakybytes.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit should work
[17:02:02] <DrHalan2>	i doesn't
[17:02:08] <Prodego>	right
[17:02:28] <DrHalan2>	delete doesn't work either if youre logged in
[17:05:31] <DrHalan2>	is this a know problem? maybe someone knows what i did wrong?
[17:29:51] <Masz>	Are TraslateWiki down, or is it my internet connection?
[17:31:08] <roberthl>	It is down, see #mediawiki-i18n.
[17:32:10] <Masz>	ok
[17:39:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Self-link feature should use only CSS, not HTML strong tag, for greater flexibility - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  (10harryalffa)
[17:49:28] <madewokherd>	so I'm editing a sidebar and noticing things like mainpage and recentchanges-url
[17:49:41] <madewokherd>	which appear to refer to MediaWiki:recentchanges-url
[17:50:07] <madewokherd>	is there a way I can create a normal link to recentchanges-url in an article?
[18:31:06] <zocky>	madewokherd, [[Special:recentChanges]]
[18:31:48] <madewokherd>	but what if I edit recentchanges-url ?
[18:32:19] <madewokherd>	I don't really want to link to recentchanges-url, I want to link to a different url defined in the MediaWiki namespace
[18:48:37] <uberfuzzy>	madewokherd: [[{{MediaWiki:recentchanges-url}}]] should work
[18:49:49] <madewokherd>	yep, thanks
[19:26:07] <Subfader>	can anyone explain to me how I can attach the ArticleInsertComplete hook? I want to make write a boolean value into an own table when a new page is in certain categories.
[19:26:57] <Subfader>	I have this so far for Localsettings http://dpaste.org/FUeO/
[19:28:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Cite button doesn't escape embedded []s - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19518 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (wikipedia)
[19:28:40] <dmb_>	can I turn on line numbers iwth geshi?
[19:28:49] <OverlordQ>	that's not the definition for the hook for one, 
[19:29:22] <dmb_>	I can!
[19:29:52] <Subfader>	you mean I need all in isInCat(&$text) ?
[19:31:14] <flyingparchment>	that's also not a regular expession
[19:31:36] <saper>	function fnMyHook(&$article, &$user, &$text, &$summary, &$minoredit, 
[19:31:37] <saper>	&$watchthis, &$sectionanchor, &$flags, &$revision) { ... }
[19:32:03] <Subfader>	hook def: I thought I just list $text cos I don't need the others
[19:32:11] <saper>	this is what [[Manual:Hooks/ArticleInsertComplete]] says
[19:32:24] <saper>	Subfader: fail :)
[19:32:27] <Subfader>	regexp: yep it's not working
[19:32:42] <Subfader>	i have read the manual of course
[19:33:01] <OverlordQ>	you can't pick and choose which params
[19:33:12] <Subfader>	but there isn't much info nor could i find examples using ArticleInsertComplete
[19:33:43] <Subfader>	ok noted ;)
[19:35:01] <Subfader>	preg_match('/*Category:Foo1*|*Category:Foo2*/', $text) ?
[19:35:52] <Subfader>	should return true if the page content reads either [[Category:Foo1]] OR [[Category:Foo2]]
[19:35:59] <saper>	of course you do not want to react to category changes after the article is created?
[19:36:59] <Subfader>	yep. i don't mind. it's for 2 lists of new pages on Main Page which lists latest pages in 2 sections based on their cats
[19:37:13] <Subfader>	those won't change in the time being listed there.
[19:38:05] <saper>	Subfader: seen [[Extension:CategoryWatch]] ?
[19:38:48] <Subfader>	I could use a JOIN categorylinks to recentchanges but that would require an expensive subquery
[19:39:44] <Subfader>	Tested Extension:CategoryWatch for another feature desire of mine. isn't much useful
[19:40:07] <Nikerabbit>	is svn down or why there is no development today?
[19:40:33] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: the latter imho
[19:41:23] <OverlordQ>	you could use DPL or whatever it's calling itself nowadays
[19:42:03] <Subfader>	too expensive and it doesn't use the recentchanges table which is more light for that desire than page
[19:43:05] <Subfader>	I changed Extension:NewestPages for my needs to use recentchanges instead of page, now i just need this little bollean value if a new page is in one of those defined cats or not
[19:43:10] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: latter of what?
[19:43:51] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: "there is no development today"
[19:46:37] <Subfader>	so what would my next step be? Is ArticleInsertComplete useful at all for this? cos atm I don't see how to touch the according row in recentchanges for the created page entry
[19:46:53] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) In 'Vector' skin, show/hide templates do not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19471  +comment (10happy-melon)
[19:47:19] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: but why?
[19:47:50] <nakon>	Nikerabbit: national holiday
[19:48:00] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: holidays?
[19:52:13] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52766 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_LanguageNl.php: fix E_PARSE: syntax error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING, expecting ')' in ./extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_LanguageNl.php on line 70
[19:52:51] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: the best time to code?
[19:55:49] <Subfader>	:( 
[19:56:57] <Orcun>	Hi, I am new to mediawiki (and also wiki concept). We are decided to use mediawiki for documenting a 3d game engine. (Like referance documents, user guide, etc.) Can someone give me some information about which extensions we should use and how to organize the wiki ?
[19:57:11] <Orcun>	thanks
[19:57:53] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52767 10/trunk/ (12 files in 7 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[19:58:34] <Subfader>	Orcun: some bloke started to list the must-have extensions http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Corporate_Must-have_extensions for the rest start with the FAQ and manuals. search, search & search ;)
[19:58:54] <harriv>	Orcun: maybe you should do small pilot testing with limited user group to see what fits for your organization best
[20:01:06] <Orcun>	Subfader: thanks alot, that is what I was looking for
[20:01:34] <Orcun>	harriv: yes, I installed the mediawiki and I am making some experiments on it on my local server
[20:01:46] <harriv>	Orcun: and remember that simply installing a wiki and announcing it is not probably enough
[20:01:58] <Orcun>	harriv: but the problem is I cant figure out which extensions I should use
[20:02:30] <Orcun>	harriv: yep I figured out that one :)
[20:03:07] <Orcun>	harriv: may be I should give briefing to my coworkers about wiki syntax, catagories and etc.
[20:03:42] <Orcun>	harriv, Subfader  anyway, thanks a lot 
[20:04:48] <harriv>	Orcun: you need "buy in" from some key people
[20:06:27] <OverlordQ>	that corporate needs category is very arbitrary lol
[20:06:42] <Orcun>	harriv: yep that is a posibility however I think I will try mindtouch
[20:06:59] <Orcun>	see you 
[20:09:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) #time should ignore newlines. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19464  (10jesdisciple)
[20:16:13] <BalthCat>	Anyone nearby to help me with a couple installation questions?
[20:17:05] <MrZ-man>	!ask | BalthCat
[20:17:05] --mwbot--	BalthCat: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[20:17:18] <BalthCat>	I have a couple is why :)  
[20:17:27] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52768 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (14 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-04 21:03 UTC)
[20:17:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Watchlist settings of ApiEditPage are insufficient - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19090  (10Amalthea.wikimedia)
[20:18:03] <BalthCat>	I'm helping a friend who is less technical than I am, with their installation of MediaWiki.  It appears the provider runs PHP 5 but requires the .php5 extensions.  It implies that it will rename them all itself, is this correct?
[20:18:12] <BalthCat>	(During config script)
[20:18:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Opening a Wikipedia article results in attempt to download gzipped version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7098  (10marcin.cieslak)
[20:19:41] <BalthCat>	Secondly, it says "PHP server API is cgi; using ugly URLs", does anyone know if this might be a setting that we can change?
[20:20:07] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52769 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (14 files): Note to self: run rebuildLanguage.php before commiting
[20:20:11] <ialex>	!wg UsePathInfo | BalthCat
[20:20:11] --mwbot--	BalthCat: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUsePathInfo
[20:23:25] <BalthCat>	ialex: I mean, is it generally an option that can be changed on the provider's side, or is it likely that that is how it has to be ?  It's sortof "off topic"
[20:24:07] <ialex>	BalthCat: if you want to change PHP's SAPI, you need to recompile it
[20:25:47] <BalthCat>	Which implies that his provider only has the API set to CGI, since it's commercial access, right?
[20:26:54] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52770 10/trunk/extensions/ (56 files in 55 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-04 21:03 UTC)
[20:28:56] <ialex>	BalthCat: it also depends on the web server, some have specific API (such as Apache) some don't and use cgi (lighttpd, ...)
[20:29:34] *BalthCat 	nods.
[20:29:56] <BalthCat>	I mostly didn't want to tell him to proceed with config if there was a possibility we might not have to have the API that way.  
[20:29:57] <BalthCat>	Thanks.
[20:44:21] <Subfader>	so how would i go on about my problem with attaching ArticleInsertComplete? Am I on the right way at least? preg_match against $title to see if the new article is in Cat Foo1 or Foo2?
[21:18:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:UserRights not allowing Flood flag if user in not capitalised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19519 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (tholly.wikimedia)
[21:23:18] <shortcircuit>	What's the best way for me to make an announcement visible site-wide?  I'm making my wiki edit-only for a while while I do methodical database backups, migrations and software upgrades.
[21:25:03] <OverlordQ>	read-only you mean?
[21:25:08] <shortcircuit>	er..
[21:25:12] <shortcircuit>	Yeah, read-only.
[21:25:21] <shortcircuit>	edit-only would be amusing, but not make much sense.
[21:25:31] <OverlordQ>	!sitenotice
[21:25:31] --mwbot--	Sitenotice is a wiki-wide message that appears at the top of the page for all users. It is editable by users in the sysop usergroup at [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. See also: !anonnotice
[21:25:47] <shortcircuit>	Cool.
[21:25:49] <shortcircuit>	Thanks.
[21:30:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:UserRights not allowing Flood flag if user in not capitalised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19519  +comment (10scream)
[21:31:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) flag notification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19520 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (scream)
[21:34:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Abuse filter log: 'details' and 'examine' redundant - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18655  (10matthew.britton)
[21:49:48] <Reedy>	Anyone know if when getting a page via the API, you can get it to tell you if its watched by the current users?
[21:51:41] <OverlordQ>	doubt it
[21:51:50] <Reedy>	Can't see anything..
[21:52:37] <OverlordQ>	if it could, it'd probably be disabled similar to action=info
[22:06:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable the flood flag on the English Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19521 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Juliancolton2)
[22:09:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgEnotifWatchlist disabled, but option available on preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19468  (10jidanni)
[22:37:41] <Reedy>	Yay, vector is site live
[22:38:01] <Reedy>	switched :d
[22:51:34] <Splarka>	<QCoder00> Ideally ,  one soloution would be for people to have two talk pages per user account
[22:51:34] <Splarka>	<QCoder00> one for non File issues and the other for the File issues
[22:51:47] <Splarka>	that's a bit image-centric... a filephile?
[22:51:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database update for l10n_cache fails on non-EN installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19447  (10jidanni)
[22:54:11] <luna6>	the links under the navigation is it possible to have it centered rather than aligned to the left? I'm thinking its somewhere in the main.css but can't find it
[22:55:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creation of Meadow Mari Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19515  +comment (10Gerard.meijssen)
[22:58:35] <Splarka>	luna6: under all sidebar portlets or just one?
[22:59:04] <luna6>	hmm... for navigation and toolbox so maybe all?
[22:59:14] <Splarka>	p-lang?
[22:59:18] <luna6>	ahh
[22:59:21] <luna6>	thanks splarka
[22:59:29] <luna6>	i widened my sidebar and playing with the layout
[22:59:30] <luna6>	thanks
[22:59:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:UserRights not allowing Flood flag if user in not capitalised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19519  +comment (10djsasso)
[23:00:05] <luna6>	under p-lang = 	position: relative;  change it to postion:center ?
[23:00:17] <Splarka>	luna6: er no
[23:00:24] <Splarka>	I was asking if you ALSO wanted p-lang centered?
[23:00:34] <Splarka>	p-lang is not the magic solution
[23:00:48] <luna6>	ahh hmm i'm not sure what the p-lang is for?
[23:00:58] <Splarka>	"in other languages"
[23:01:05] <Splarka>	you really really shouldn't edit core files so much ^_^
[23:01:09] <Splarka>	here is the thing
[23:01:11] <luna6>	i dont think its nessecary we are usually english only
[23:01:22] <Splarka>	you won't find the solution in main.css because in html, text is aligned to the left by default
[23:01:36] <Splarka>	(in ltr anyway)
[23:02:08] <luna6>	hmm ok...
[23:02:21] <Splarka>	sec
[23:02:24] <luna6>	i sense a "but" coming :)
[23:02:48] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) I logged in to zh.wikipedia.org and it says I am $1. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19454  +comment (10jidanni)
[23:02:53] <Splarka>	well, the 'but' is obvious
[23:03:07] <Splarka>	you just have to figure out out, rather than hunt/seek/replace cheat
[23:03:40] <luna6>	ok.....
[23:05:00] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:05:22] <Splarka>	you want that little dot?
[23:05:44] <luna6>	hmm i guess if its centered maybe not?
[23:05:45] <Splarka>	.generated-sidebar .pBody li, #p-tb .pBody li, #p-lang .pBody li {text-align:center; list-style:none;}
[23:06:03] <Splarka>	that grabs toolbox, otherlang, and any generated sidebars you will generate in the future
[23:06:15] <luna6>	ahh...
[23:06:27] <Splarka>	and can go right into MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[23:06:45] <luna6>	ahh thanks splarka i will try that now
[23:10:20] <Splarka>	luna6: hmm, there is still the margin on the <ul> tho
[23:10:31] <Splarka>	.generated-sidebar .pBody ul, #p-tb .pBody ul, #p-lang .pBody ul {text-align:center; list-style:none; margin-left:0;}
[23:10:36] <Splarka>	you might wanna try that instead
[23:13:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:UserRights not allowing Flood flag if user in not capitalised - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19519  (10scream)
[23:18:29] <samrose>	Is there a way to get an xml version of any media wiki page via url ?
[23:21:37] <dmb_>	samrose: yup
[23:21:59] <dmb_>	but I forget how...
[23:22:27] <dmb_>	http://discoursedb.org/wiki/Special:ViewXML
[23:22:45] <dmb_>	l8r
[23:35:01] <Reedy>	Where do discussions about the vector skin go on.. Usability wiki?
[23:36:21] *Splarka 	pokles thedj, who seems interested in vectors
[23:37:19] <Reedy>	The + on talk pages being on the drop down arrow is un-intuitive
[23:37:22] <Reedy>	and out of the way
[23:40:22] <Splarka>	damn, there does seem to be a lack of a way in the API to tell if a title is on your watchlist
[23:42:39] <OverlordQ>	did you try list=watchlistraw
[23:43:59] <Splarka>	you can't pass a title to that
[23:44:15] <Splarka>	some people have watchlists with thousands, or tens of thousands, of entries
[23:45:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) vector skin hooks not documented in hooks.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19522 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (jidanni)
[23:48:17] <Reedy>	Splarka, i vote to open a bug for Roan :D
[23:48:32] <OverlordQ>	sounds like they have too many WL entries then :P
[23:50:09] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:50:33] <Splarka>	it would apply to pages, not revisions... so not part of prop=revisions
[23:50:40] <Splarka>	probably best as an inprop
[23:50:48] <Reedy>	Yeah..
[23:51:00] <Reedy>	We're finally tieing AWB into the stuff we've put together for Api Editing
[23:51:14] <Splarka>	'bout time
[23:51:18] <Reedy>	:P
[23:51:21] <Splarka>	hmm
[23:51:34] <Reedy>	Lack of time to do it, most of the code was done
[23:51:40] <Splarka>	this could also be useful as a parameter in all list= modules, but I have a feeling it'd be cumulatively expensive
[23:51:54] <Reedy>	and we had it setup to work out if the page was currently watched, to set a button to watch/unwatch as appropriate...
[23:52:02] <Reedy>	So was after a way to move that accross
[23:53:59] <Reedy>	We pull action=query&prop=info|revisions&intoken=edit&titles=Main%20Page&rvprop=timestamp|user|comment|content currently.. So if it was in there somewhere without pulling more/an extra query, that'd be nice
[23:55:13] *Splarka 	waves magic Pez
[23:55:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) prop=info&inprop=watched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19523 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (herd)
[23:56:00] <Reedy>	cheers Splarka :)
[23:56:17] <Splarka>	mew
[23:56:41] <Reedy>	Where would i whinge about vector then? Its not worthy of a bug repot.. As it'd need discussion first
[23:57:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) prop=info&inprop=watched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19523  +comment (10sam)