is user defined or if it is a pre defined class? [19:18:03] Jangler: user defined. [19:18:13] yeah it isnt in any of the default themes [19:18:41] Rabbit, so what would that mean for a page like http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Template:ValveTechnology [19:19:03] how would I define a similar class to mimic something like that "capsule" shape on that page [19:19:30] Jangler: check their Common.css [19:19:42] 03(mod) Image cascading protection issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18483 (10agarrett) [19:20:01] znx how would i access that [19:20:06] without access to the ftp [19:22:03] Jangler: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w/skins/valve/main.css?207 there its in that CSS .., please dont PM me [19:22:21] Jangler: what would you need FTP for? .. its a CSS file [19:22:27] ahh [19:22:31] thanks man [19:22:35] np [19:22:37] i dunno, I am still learning [19:22:39] haha [19:22:46] gonna be asking a lot of dumb questions as I learn [19:23:14] out of curiosity how'd u get to that page? [19:23:22] just so I know for future reference [19:23:33] Jangler: view source .. there is lines in there those are the CSS files [19:23:49] ahh yeh I see it now [19:23:56] just didn't know what I was looking at [19:23:59] thanks again man [19:24:12] now just to figure out what lines call for the capsule :: ) [19:25:16] got it, cool cool [19:25:42] ahh figures it calls to images [19:28:09] Jangler: you can download those images as well .. the path is there [19:28:28] yep [19:28:32] got em already :: ) [19:28:34] thanks a ton man [19:28:40] really appreciate it [19:35:53] Hey, how do you add userrights to the software? [19:36:05] !userrights [19:36:05] --mwbot-- For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [19:36:42] I'm gonna need an idiot translation of those... [19:46:21] Um, can a human explain adding things to me? I'm a normal programmer and an idiot...nothing else [19:46:48] Rgoodermote, what do you want to do? [19:46:52] Concretely. [19:47:07] hey Simetrical [19:47:13] I want to add Founder, Checkuser, Oversight and Autoconfirm Simetrical. [19:47:26] !access [19:47:26] --mwbot-- For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [19:47:27] Rgoodermote, with what rights? Do you have the relevant extensions installed? [19:47:33] werdna, he complained he didn't understand. [19:48:13] !r 52752 [19:48:13] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52752 [19:48:14] Um...I have the latest Mediawiki software and it's freshly installed. [19:48:26] This is why command-line commit messages are bad. :) [19:48:46] Rgoodermote, checkuser and oversight rely on rights that don't exist in the core software, you need extensions for those. [19:48:52] (unless you want to use rev_deleted for oversight, maybe) [19:48:57] And I get them where? [19:49:37] !extensions [19:49:37] --mwbot-- MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See for an overview of known extensions. [19:49:42] !oversight [19:49:42] --mwbot-- Oversighting removes revisions from access by normal users and sysops. More information is available here: . Note: This extension has been superseded by a core feature: . [19:49:45] !checkuser [19:49:45] --mwbot-- CheckUser is an extension that allows privileged users to see what IPs a user edited from or what users edited from an IP. For more information see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser > [19:50:00] (you don't really need the Oversight extension, you can use core for that these days) [19:50:28] That works...thanks..and I hope I'm not a bother..this is my first time doing all the work myself..and this is jut a project I'm doing in house and for fun. [19:53:57] just repeating my q .. to see if there is anyway to make a sort of foreach template.. like: {{template|x=1|x=2|x=3}} ? [19:54:05] znx, not in core MediaWiki or ParserFunctions. [19:54:09] There are extensions that permit it. [19:54:13] (probably) [19:55:01] Simetrical: ty .. that is what i expected, i shall being hunting to see if someone has made an extension like it [19:55:03] Simetrical, thanks a bunch mate..saves me from having to get the Checkuser that revision hider...and it's much easier than I thought. [20:01:21] Alright...checkuser help time...what command in command prompt? [20:12:48] hmm [20:12:58] Wikipedia doesn't have to have a 16TeamBracket-with-3rd [20:13:01] which is a shame [20:15:00] What do I need to do to get {{BASEPAGENAME}} working? It outputs "Article/Sub" but I want "Article". [20:18:48] gah [20:18:48] dergringo: activate subpages for the namespace in question [20:19:01] werdna, how di I do that? [20:19:07] !subpages [20:19:07] --mwbot-- By default some namespaces have subpages enabled and others don't. You can enable or disable them using $wgNamespacesWithSubpages in LocalSettings.php. [20:21:51] Hmmm I got a template {{Languages|Article}} that makes use of {{BASEPAGENAME}} successfully. But in my template it does not work. So I don't think that this is a configuration issue. [20:22:21] The are on a page, both in the MAIN namespace. [20:23:18] 04(REOPENED) Image link= parameter is ignored when image uses thumb or frame - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17398 +comment (10public) [20:23:52] The main namespace has subpages disabled by default, IIRC. [20:26:44] 03(mod) Embbed REVISIONID is wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19499 summary; +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [20:36:07] 03(NEW) Enable Extension:Collection in he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19537 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (yonidebest) [20:36:38] A quick question about MediaWiki and MySQL...Is there a list of which engines tend to work best for any given table? [20:36:57] Well, I guess the question was quick to phrase. I doubt it's quick to answer. :-/ [20:37:01] shortcircuit: innodb for all but the searechindex table [20:37:04] InnoDB for everything except searchable stuff [20:37:44] unless you have a readonly wiki. then myaisam may be quicker. innodb's main advantage is in concurrent read/write [20:37:51] *shortcircuit is seriously considering dropping Slicehost in favor of getting a home internet connection with better up speed. [20:38:25] 256MB of RAM is not enough to do significant work server-side, and my home cable connection makes transfer of data to the slice a painful affair. [20:40:35] MyISAM doesn't support transactions, weird stuff may happen given that MediaWiki is designed to use transactions. [20:40:51] really? [20:41:51] no, virtually. [20:42:00] 03(NEW) Vector skin missing CSS for when background images are not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19538 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (jidanni) [20:42:26] need to check out all those commits ;) [20:43:08] Argh. How hard can it be to find a good-looking free cursive font suitable for use on websites? [20:43:12] UNREASONABLY SO. [20:43:56] Simetrical: Make one? [20:44:02] Um, right. [20:44:16] I'm totally going to be able to make a high-quality font before the afternoon is over. [20:44:19] I've been thinking about taking my old Graphire pad and using some of the font creation tools on Linux with it. [20:44:31] Except my handwriting sucks... [20:44:44] No matter how well you try, you can never make a pretty font yourself unless you're a professional [20:44:52] I saw tons of fonts where someone said "Hey, I'll just write some letters by hand and make a font!" [20:44:57] That's called "sucky". [20:45:00] Simetrical: generally, fonts are client specific, so relying on a specific font for a website doesn't work. good fallback chains can help. [20:45:07] Duesentrieb, @font-face [20:45:19] I don't care about old browsers for this particular site. [20:45:29] what, fully embedded fonts?... [20:45:31] ick :P [20:45:32] professionals need a months to design a new font [20:45:43] Why "ick"? [20:45:57] Simetrical: Because that means the client has to download the font... [20:46:01] Um, so? [20:46:09] So not everyone has broadband? [20:46:12] . . . [20:46:18] Font files for Latin are like 20 KB. [20:46:20] Even without gzip. [20:46:27] If you're talking CJK, fine. [20:46:35] But for my purpose, it will be smaller than a lot of images. [20:46:49] 03(mod) Error with nonexisting interface messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14531 +comment (10jidanni) [20:46:57] 20KB is painful on, e.g. the dial-up I used to have around here, or the dial-up at my parents' house, or even the sucky apartment-complex cable internet at my cousin's old apartment. [20:47:05] *shrug* dunno. i guess it depends. if the site is about content, i want it to be rather plain and stick to the fond settings etc I choose. otoh, a very graphical site can benefit from specifying everything [20:47:29] shortcircuit: brow3ser should have an option to disable the feature... [20:47:35] Duesentrieb, it's for a header, a display font. The body font family is just "sans-serif". [20:47:48] It's to make the page title look pretty without using an image. [20:47:52] 20K for a header :) [20:48:02] 03(mod) nonexisting interface messages cause "<" ">" to appear on the users browser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14531 summary (10jidanni) [20:48:08] In Firefox it will fall back to default fonts until the font is downloaded. [20:48:17] (In Safari it will delay rendering.) [20:48:29] will it make the layout jump?` [20:48:38] Duesentrieb: Just as they have features to disable images. And I had to use those features. But designers who do image-heavy sites are rarely reliable for providing useful alt tags and such; If they're going to abuse fonts, I don't expect to see good fallbacks. [20:48:41] doesn't seem worht the pain, really [20:48:51] Even major chains fell victim to this when I had to deal with it. [20:48:54] shortcircuit, the point is that if it's a font, you don't *need* a fallback. [20:49:01] It can fall back to system fonts and you'll be just fine. [20:49:09] With an image, if you don't have alt text you can't see it. [20:49:14] And even if you do, you can't copy-paste, etc. [20:49:30] *shortcircuit shrugs [20:49:54] is it possible to write a plugin which does something each day at 3:00 am for example? [20:50:09] Bot/crontab etc would be better i suspect [20:50:22] it should be a extension [20:50:46] IME, Designers who abuse features under the assumption that their clients will have broadband often abuse them in ways that breaks fallback mechanisms. [20:50:46] with an own special page and something like that [20:51:35] Danwe: You run into the problem of needing the extension code to be executed at the time and schedule you specified. [20:51:36] There's no possible *way* to not have good fallback for web fonts. [20:51:39] It makes no sense. [20:51:50] It's just character data. [20:52:00] Fallback is built-in. [20:52:05] It might look ugly, that's all. [20:52:25] Danwe: Which means something like Drupal's cron.php, which requires that someone, somewhere have a cron job set up to call it periodically. [20:52:30] 03(NEW) Vector skin messages with 0 translations, not even English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19539 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (jidanni) [20:53:47] Simetrical: I agree it doesn't make sense. Because the designers who *abuse* such features don't use the features for what they're intended for, but for something else. Meaning the character data is irrelevant to what the font renders as. See the tricks played with fonts like the Wingdings family, for example. [20:53:49] 03aaron * r52777 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): merged usercan hooks [20:54:31] shortcircuit, there's no way to solve stupidity. But I think the jump from mention of web fonts to the idea that designers will somehow use them to worsen accessibility is unreasonable. [20:54:46] Overall they're almost certain to increase accessibility, since they'll replace images. [20:54:54] hi Danwe [20:55:01] Of course, they might make sites look ugly, but that's different from accessibility. [20:56:08] Simetrical: My point was that disabling features to improve performance on low-bandwidth, high-latency connections has deletrious effects on web usability because the Internet is full of stupid web designers. Which is why I prefer to build sites that don't require features that I would normally have disabled under such conditions. [20:58:14] simetrical: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52761 :) [20:58:29] I wonder why that was [20:58:34] Yep, PHP weak typing strikes again. [20:59:15] Simetrical: Regarding crappy-looking fonts, I'm reminded of a blog article I read a month or two back written by a guy who was frustrated at people complaining about crappy fonts, because good fonts aren't cheaply available and/or aren't allowed to be embedded, and 90% of the Internet can't tell the difference between a good font and a mediocre font, anyway. [20:59:30] Wish I could find it; I don't even remember how I came across it. [20:59:35] hi stephan48 [20:59:36] I don't care about 90% of the Internet, I care about what looks crappy to me. [20:59:46] thanks shortcircuit [21:00:02] It was probably targeted against the arguments against linking raw TTF/OTF, not as an endorsement of poor typography. [21:00:40] 03ialex * r52778 10/trunk/extensions/RdfRedland/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Fix a bunch of E_PARSE [21:01:28] Also, FWIW, if you're just using it for one title, you can literally include only the exact characters you need, so it could be well under a kilobyte. http://fonts.philip.html5.org/ [21:01:29] Simetrical: You go on complaining about cruddy fonts, then, and I'll go on complaining about heavyweight page designs. :-) [21:01:50] Sounds nice. [21:02:28] Reminds me of a recent job I got pulled into. Client woo'd us with discussion of using HTML5 extensively, and then mandated support for IE6. [21:02:44] :) [21:02:55] I'm using HTML5 for this page, but ignoring IE almost completely. [21:03:30] On Rosetta Code, it's frustrating. IE6 is the least-used IE browser by visitors, but the most-used IE browser by contributors. [21:03:31] *Simetrical gives up and sticks with stock system fonts [21:03:52] *AaronSchulz thinks of Sturgeon's Law [21:04:00] 90% of everything is crap. [21:05:35] *shortcircuit is pondering building a theme for MediaWiki that focuses on enhancing the specific use of MediaWiki by RC. [21:05:39] 03(mod) Allow external links in edit summary and log reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14892 summary; +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [21:06:01] Something of a half-way point between building a XUL interface and leaving things as-is. [21:19:45] 03(mod) Image link= parameter is ignored when image uses thumb or frame - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17398 +comment (10hartman) [21:21:21] check out the vector skin :D [21:21:22] http://imagebin.ca/view/Jw0iwSl.html [21:21:50] 03(mod) Special:Emailuser doesn't check whether user's IP is blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18860 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [21:53:09] When a page includes text from another page, is it possible to check if the included page is protected? [21:53:19] 03siebrand * r52779 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (9 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-05 21:45 UTC) [21:56:05] 03(mod) #time should ignore newlines. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19464 +comment (10jesdisciple) [21:59:51] 03siebrand * r52780 10/trunk/extensions/ (81 files in 73 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-05 21:45 UTC) [22:04:39] werdna, http://aryeh.name/ [22:04:52] 03siebrand * r52781 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (13 files): Localisation updates for core special page aliases from translatewiki.net [22:07:00] 03siebrand * r52782 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesLmo.php: Fallback to top [22:11:35] 03(NEW) cannot add comments to techblog.wikimedia.org from certain IP ranges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19540 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (jidanni) [22:11:57] 03siebrand * r52783 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (9 files): Localisation updates for core magic words from translatewiki.net [22:21:16] 03(mod) Allow external links in edit summary and log reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14892 (10TheEvilSpartan) [22:28:20] Need some help here....tried to sign back into my wiki and I get this error [22:28:24] Login error [22:28:26] You have not specified a valid user name. [22:28:42] http://willbe.mine.nu/index.php/Special:ListUsers Despite that [22:31:10] 03siebrand * r52784 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesAm.php MessagesBs.php MessagesLmo.php MessagesPs.php): Localisation updates for core namespaces from translatewiki.net [22:31:23] English, please [22:31:36] Oh...nevermind... [22:36:47] php.ini error [22:36:52] Outty [22:38:06] I remember there being a recommendation, ages ago, to have two db users for MediaWiki, one for admin, one for normal use. [22:38:22] But I'm not finding reference to that philosophy in the current installation guide. [22:38:26] Has this changed? [22:38:55] It's kind of pointless. [22:39:18] Principle of least privilege only really applies when there's a substantive difference between the privilege levels. [22:40:49] 03(mod) rdf export does not generate valid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17953 +comment (10ianmcorvidae) [22:43:23] 03(mod) rdf export does not generate valid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17953 (10ianmcorvidae) [22:52:45] 03(mod) Image link= parameter is ignored when image uses thumb or frame - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17398 (10subfader) [23:06:04] Yay, maybe Apple can support Theora! http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/2009-July/002415.html [23:16:08] 03(NEW) Purging now requires confirmation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19541 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (scream) [23:17:58] 03(mod) Purging requires confirmation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19541 summary; +comment (10scream) [23:41:49] is anyone there? [23:41:54] I am having an issue with sections [23:42:01] I am trying to create one section after another [23:42:07] but they keep nesting instead [23:45:37] anyone there? [23:54:19] nvm