[00:05:08] 03dale * r52820 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (9 files in 6 dirs): volume control slider for flash, vlc, native players (basic patch by gerardo) [00:06:59] 03catrope * r52821 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js: (bug 19546) Watch and flaggedrevs AJAX success messages not appearing in Vector [00:08:30] 03(FIXED) Vector skin does not support jsMsg() javascript function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19546 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [00:11:51] TrevorParscal: good work there ! [00:11:51] 03tparscal * r52822 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Made things look a little better without images [00:13:00] 03catrope * r52823 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (bug 19539) Added used but undeclared messages from Vector [00:13:06] 03(FIXED) Vector skin messages with 0 translations, not even English - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19539 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [00:13:43] 03(FIXED) Vector skin missing CSS for when background images are not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19538 +comment (10tparscal) [00:14:10] Anyone know off hand why wfMsg and wfMsgHTML sometimes wrap the output in

and sometimes not? it seems to have to do with something I did earlier in the page - but what? [00:14:29] earlier in the php code, I mean [00:18:43] 06(LATER) AJAX tabs in monobook, vector... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19536 +comment (10brion) [00:20:30] brion: I don't like bugzilla regarding logic with that resolution [00:20:51] Status: RESOLVED; Resolution: LATER... [00:20:55] wtf... [00:21:11] later != resolved imo [00:21:23] yeah bugzilla is weird about that. [00:21:45] eh [00:21:53] logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad [00:22:25] time to dump bugzilla into the deepest hole and forget the hole in the first place [00:22:27] AzaToth: did you see my new HotCat ? [00:22:33] (can I have some of whatever you are drinking, brion?) [00:22:40] 03(mod) Enable Extension:Collection in he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19537 +shell (10innocentkiller) [00:22:45] thedj: just a quicki on the screenie [00:22:49] (it's about that time of day anyways...) [00:22:55] hehe [00:22:55] AzaToth: it uses edit api and jquery :D [00:23:39] thedj: I started working on a new js/jquery impl for the api at http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AzaToth/monobook.js [00:24:44] Twinkle does a lot. it's gonna be one hell of an effort. [00:25:09] correct [00:26:30] 03demon * r52824 10/branches/maintenance-work/ (14 files in 3 dirs): [00:26:30] * Port addwiki, fixSlaveDesync, fixTimestamps, namespaceDupes, populateLogUsertext, renamewiki [00:26:30] * Kill dbsource() everywhere possible. Use $db->sourceFile() if you've already got a DB object on hand (I'm eying you install-utils, your days are numbered!) [00:27:32] brion: btw, i was meaning to ask, do you have any plans for the next file renaming deployment attempt ? [00:28:37] *Splarka blinks [00:28:41] 03(mod) http://www.wikibooks.org is an HTTP redirect loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19460 +comment (10jlerner) [00:28:49] he splarkie [00:28:50] <^demon> Splarka: Need eyedrops? [00:29:27] Roan: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?r1=52821&r2=52820&pathrev=52821 [00:30:00] all monobook-derived skins should be hitting true on that, not just monobook [00:30:40] the body HTML in chick, myskin, and simple should be identical [00:30:42] <^demon> [20:15] == RoanKattouw [n=chatzill@wikimedia/Catrope] has quit [00:30:54] 03(mod) http://www.wikibooks.org is an HTTP redirect loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19460 +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [00:30:58] so I think you've broken it for them [00:31:02] ^demon: he reads backlogs [00:33:32] *Splarka leaves a note on the bug [00:34:51] *^demon goes back to his branch [00:39:26] 04(REOPENED) Vector skin does not support jsMsg() javascript function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19546 +comment (10herd) [00:41:41] were there this many problems with modern when river created it? [00:41:50] absolutely [00:42:00] more even I think. [00:42:18] expecially the lack of 'content' [00:42:19] and worse, some were only fixed very recently. [00:42:27] >_< [00:43:08] and like vector, there were two groups of people with diverging opinions on if it would become the new default skin [00:43:11] it's not a problem either, it's to be expected somewhat. [00:43:25] in one group were the people who thought it would be, this group consisted of river. [00:43:42] rofl :D [00:43:56] Splarka: how nasty of you. [00:43:58] vector however, has more people, so it should like not break everything if it ever does become default [00:44:11] yes yes, I am still bitter about no id="content" [00:44:40] <^demon> I wish the skins shared at least 1 or 2 things in common. [00:44:41] meaning one had to go from two general cases for user scripts (for a generic area to work in that wasn't the whole body), to three [00:45:37] i really think there should be a vote to remove some of the older skins. esp from wikimedia installations of mediawiki. [00:46:10] reason would be: clutter and lack of proper maintenance [00:46:56] Splarka: river wanted it to be the default? [00:47:41] dunno, but why else write a new skin ^_^ [00:48:04] <^demon> I mean how many people use cologne blue? Raise your hands. [00:48:30] there are stats for that right ? [00:48:48] those would need to be coupled with information on "active users", but still. [00:48:48] there could be [00:48:54] stats on that, I mean [00:49:25] someone had these. i'm sure. [00:50:01] <^demon> The numbers can be gotten, yes. But there's no solid numbers _yet_ from big projects like enwiki, dewiki, etc. [00:50:11] wait, i copied them [00:50:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheDJ/Sandbox#Skins_usage [00:50:32] 72000 users on en.wp in March 2009 had the cologne blue option checked. [00:50:41] <^demon> Wow, more than I expected. [00:50:44] <^demon> skin=on? [00:50:47] that's more than I would have thought! [00:51:15] ^demon: no idea.... :D [00:51:20] <^demon> The hell is "amethyst?" [00:51:24] dunno [00:51:29] try it and tell us? :-P [00:51:33] really old stuff i guess [00:51:42] <^demon> Or someone hoping to use a skin from another MW install. [00:51:50] mediawiki/1.4beta6/skins/disabled/Amethyst.pt [00:51:54] Splarka: he wrote modern to match with JIRA so that he's have a uniform style between all of the toolserver web applications [00:52:01] or so i assume, that is [00:52:56] <^demon> thedj: You just keep copies of 1.4b6 around? [00:53:04] ^demon: google :D [00:53:33] anyways, these numbers mean little when they are not matched against. active accounts basically. [00:53:37] <^demon> So it was a disabled skin before 1.5 even, don't think it's coming back anytime soon :) [00:54:08] *GreenReaper dislikes the idea of removing skins unless there is a pressing technological need. [00:54:27] GreenReaper: there is a need of maintenance and clarity in the prefs. [00:54:37] maybe they could be removed as an option in preferences to start out with [00:54:42] If they're not used much, then hopefully that fewer numbre of people will complain if they break. ;-) [00:54:44] I think that's already possible, isn't it? wgSkipSkins? [00:54:46] chuck: that's an idea. [00:55:02] <^demon> GreenReaper: The pressing technological need is that there's no sanity between them. [00:55:03] Just put it as "not recommended, if you want things fixed in this you have to patch them yourselves" [00:55:12] no inspiration about wfMsg, eh? [00:55:51] and the more work is done on mediawiki, the harder it is to keep all the skins up to date (though we only realy care about monobook, vector, modern atm) [00:56:15] anyone there? [00:56:31] <^demon> thedj: Well, if they all were constructed in a similar manner, maintenance wouldn't be as bad. [00:56:42] i am having issues with tiny urls [00:57:06] why would you have to use them ? your database is full or something ? [00:57:21] <^demon> thedj: He probably means pretty urls. [00:57:32] yeah I do [00:57:47] well he didn't say that :D [00:57:51] sorry [00:57:59] tinyurl is quite something else [00:58:08] clean urls [00:58:14] that's what it's called I think [00:58:17] <^demon> countess: What's the problem? [00:58:21] 03(mod) (Changed) element IDs and scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19527 (10dragonlordofxanther) [00:58:32] can't figure out how to enable it [00:58:45] <^demon> countess: Did you read the info on mediawiki.org? [00:58:58] don't know what method to use [01:01:24] i am using dreamhost [01:01:37] the wiki is located at http://slightlyunstable.org/serran [01:02:13] <^demon> countess: I find the method listed first under http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Short_urls#URL_like_-_example.com.2Fwiki.2FPage_title is the easiest. [01:03:06] <^demon> There's also one specifically for dreamhost (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_DreamHost_Shared_Hosting), but I can't vouch for it, I've never used them for hosting. [01:03:27] is there a way to not use virtual directories [01:03:58] <^demon> You mean to use short urls for the directory it's actually in? [01:04:05] yea [01:04:26] <^demon> It can potentially cause conflicts. [01:04:46] can't I just put a .htaccess file into the /serran folder [01:04:55] the !-f method will be good enough for most people [01:05:00] that's how I do things with drupal [01:05:25] just a .htacess file [01:12:27] 03dale * r52825 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (libAddMedia/mvFirefogg.js libEmbedVideo/embedVideo.js): added getfirefox link / warning. [01:40:53] when is that allmessages pagination patch going to be committed? it looks pretty slick [01:55:23] 03(NEW) emailuser UI to override prefs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19558 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Email; (jayvdb) [02:41:43] Sigh. CSS 3 Selectors is awesome. You really need basically no classes or id's for styling. [02:45:40] 03(NEW) JS addPortletLink() should perhaps have vector specific code in order to be compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19559 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (bawolff+wn) [02:51:13] 14(WFM) emailuser UI to override prefs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19558 +comment (10jayvdb) [03:13:15] where is the print version css located at? [03:13:59] tried viewing a page source? [03:14:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage -> [03:15:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage?printable=yes -> [03:15:17] notice the subtle difference, the media="" declaration [03:15:40] ah [03:15:42] thanks [03:52:13] 03shinjiman * r52826 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese [03:57:54] 03rarohde * r52827 10/trunk/extensions/DelayedDefinition/ (5 files): New Extension - DelayedDefinition: Adds tags and that can be used to display a segment of wikicode at a different place in the same page from where it is initially specified. [04:55:48] 03simetrical * r52828 10/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php: Remove a couple of useless HTML comments [04:56:58] !r 52828 [04:56:58] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52828 [05:10:16] GreenSleeper, you're going to love the proposal I'm about to post to wikitech-l. [05:10:58] 03(NEW) Request for Unblock-zh-l - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19560 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (xu.jimmy.wrk) [05:46:56] Query: SELECT lc_value FROM `parsertest_l10n_cache` WHERE lc_lang = 'en' AND lc_key = 'deps' LIMIT 1 [05:46:56] Function: LCStore_DB::get [05:46:56] Error: 1146 Table 'wikidb.parsertest_l10n_cache' doesn't exist (localhost) [05:46:58] Who broke it? [05:47:42] *p858snake watches as Simetrical eyes dart in werdna's direction [05:55:08] GreenSleeper, I just proposed we move to HTML 5. Do you know how many bytes that would let us remove? :) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-July/043865.html [06:05:12] 03catrope * r52829 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (Vector.php common/wikibits.js): Revert r52821 ("Watch and flaggedrevs AJAX success messages not appearing in Vector"), gonna be done completely differently [06:09:35] yay [06:36:12] hum [06:36:40] i might be an aspiring rocket scintist but... [06:36:56] am i here to talk to someone? [06:37:06] about something specific? [06:37:57] kinda wondering where all those people on the right are [06:38:20] so its so everyone in the world can talk? [06:38:26] together here? [06:38:29] hi [06:38:39] woah root [06:38:52] hi hows it going? [06:39:00] woah yeah... [06:39:01] this looks like an amazing project [06:39:07] :-) [06:39:23] very pleased with you [06:39:31] in all different languages too? [06:39:35] yeah: can we help you? [06:39:45] is there going to be real time translation? [06:39:58] are you refering to MediaWiki or Wikipedia or some other wiki project? [06:40:05] am i getting ahead of myself? [06:40:15] um not sure [06:40:29] i was asking and answering my own questions then here i am [06:40:32] MediaWiki is the wiki software behing Wikipedia [06:40:51] it is also used in a lot other wikis out there, not related to Wikipedia [06:41:14] such as the question page? [06:41:34] where has the question page i started on gone? [06:42:00] yeah: I don't know what you mean [06:42:09] ok [06:42:20] the people here are working on the software, mostly programmers [06:42:30] how are things going then besides me being lost somewhere here ---down a pipe?? [06:42:32] or users / administrators which run their own wikis [06:43:00] I am still not sure what you are refering to and why you came here [06:43:03] i see [06:43:19] feel free to ask questions and we will try to help you or at least point you where to go [06:43:45] i am here to see if it is self evident what the question page is for and how it is used, i think im a test pilot layman type [06:44:10] yeah: can you post a link please? [06:44:21] to what? where i am? [06:44:25] I don't know what the question page might be you refer to [06:44:29] for your pleasure? [06:44:47] yeah: you are in the IRC channel (chat room) about mediawiki [06:44:50] yeah- i can't get back there, that's an issue [06:44:58] ok... [06:45:16] jealous of your name there root [06:45:39] it's just a nick name ;-) [06:45:52] still [06:46:09] ok so you guys are developping these wikis [06:46:19] the software for it [06:46:22] the ask a question one---are you woking on that? [06:46:35] sometimes [06:46:37] not right now [06:46:49] I run some wikis [06:47:00] at work, at home, for some projects I do [06:47:03] so i think it would make me pee my pants if you had real time translation for languages in chat, do you? [06:47:19] and it is always helpful to ask questions here if there is a problem [06:47:27] or help others when they post questions in here [06:47:41] no [06:47:55] because? [06:47:59] and I don't even think that it is technically feasable [06:48:05] yeah right [06:48:21] dont underestime yourselves guys [06:48:37] get on it,lol [06:49:12] what about voice to text within chat [06:49:15] ? [06:49:28] yeah: that's something you could install on you computer [06:50:05] had it once before but it sucked [06:50:21] a better vision of that anyways its not imporant [06:50:37] everyone would be shouting at once [06:50:52] it would be the worse math eva [06:51:07] IRC is a small subset of internet chatting. Freenode is a small subset of all IRC networks. #mediawiki is a very small subset of all channels on freenode, for a specific topic (the software behind Wikipedia). It is only "worldwide" in the sense you can access it from anywhere in the world. [06:51:34] do you think you're reaching a wide audience? there are only about 150 connections here, most of them quite idle [06:51:38] and the main goal of wikimedia is? [06:51:56] ask in #wikimedia if you want to know [06:52:16] look, im not here to bother you guys [06:53:13] so you guys are writing code for the develpment of wiki type things [06:53:47] such as the ask a question page i was on before i ended up here, lost down some some some place [06:55:04] ok then my question is now-what are you (whoever is here) working on right now? [06:55:13] specifically [06:55:24] i think i can handle the truth [06:55:34] I am doing my work at my job right now [06:55:43] good answer [06:56:45] well carry on then, international men of mystery [06:57:13] goodbye? [07:58:06] 14(DUP) On FlaggedRevs wikis: Success message 'revreview-successful' not shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19486 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [07:58:08] 03(mod) Vector skin does not support jsMsg() javascript function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19546 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [08:15:32] Does anybody know what extension wikipedia uses for audio playback? F.e. here you can see that widget (on the right side) in action: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy#Cuban_Missile_Crisis [08:15:50] !ogg [08:15:50] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "ogg". You might try: !anonnotice [08:15:55] bah [08:16:39] dergringo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OggHandler [08:16:44] !ogg is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OggHandler [08:16:44] --mwbot-- Successfully added keyword: ogg [08:17:04] Duesentrieb, thank you! [08:41:21] Is there anyway to export the wiki into HTML? [08:45:54] !htmldump | dudette [08:45:54] --mwbot-- dudette: I don't know anything about "htmldump". [08:46:06] damn, what is it with the bot today? [08:46:16] @search dumphtml [08:46:16] --mwbot-- Results: [dumphtml] [08:46:23] there we go then [08:46:28] !dumphtml | dudette [08:46:28] --mwbot-- dudette: For creating a static HTML dump of your wiki, see [08:46:33] Duesentrieb: don't blame the bot for forgetful due ^_^ [08:46:35] !htmldump alias dumphtml [08:46:35] --mwbot-- Successfully added alias: htmldump [08:46:47] sheesh [08:46:54] Splarka: it's supposed to remind me. that is its job! [08:47:20] well, so include "htmldump" in the text of !dumphtml [08:47:43] 03(NEW) Temp group for arbcom of fiwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19561 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (str4nd) [08:48:09] setting an alias was easier :) [08:49:41] Cool! And this htmldump script really works well or is this alpha stuff? I want to export my wiki for online reading on the bus/train etc on my netbook on which I don't to install mysql/apache/etc [08:50:14] Is it possible to only export updated pages? [08:50:37] there's no incremental update, no [08:50:47] and it has been aroiund for a while, and wors more or less. [08:50:57] but it also tends to break frequently, it's not so well maintained [08:51:05] images tend to be the problem, mostly [08:51:10] < Duesentrieb> damn, what is it with the bot today? [08:51:13] i'd say: just try if it works for you. [08:51:15] what is it with the user today? ;) [08:51:42] flyingparchment: the user got a stuffy nose and a headache after sleeping under an open window. [08:51:55] *sniff* [08:52:01] *grmbl* [08:52:45] What does not well maintained mean? But maintained at all? [08:53:14] At the bottom of the page it says: This page was last modified on 7 September 2008 [08:53:16] :( [08:53:53] the fact that the description doesn't change dopes not mean the script is not maintained. [08:54:51] dudette: oh, it's an extension now... [08:55:16] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/DumpHTML/ [08:55:21] Duesentrieb: You have a point there. [08:55:31] seems active enough [08:55:38] last changes about two months ago [08:55:45] Cool. [08:55:46] Thx [09:11:14] argh [09:11:16] I hate php [09:11:39] If you append the string //IGNORE, characters that cannot be represented in the target charset are silently discarded. [09:11:46] no they are not! [09:12:17] yes, PHP sux [09:12:25] well, maybe it complains about the input?? [09:12:47] minimal test case: [09:12:47] error_reporting( E_ALL ); [09:12:47] iconv( 'windows-1252', 'UTF-8//IGNORE', rawurldecode( "%90" ) ); [09:12:58] should I file a bug? [09:13:11] file a stick of tnt up php's tail pipe. [09:13:13] i think //IGNORE is a platform-specific thing [09:13:20] unless PHP includes its own iconv implementation.. [09:15:15] wouldn't be surprising [09:15:45] flyingparchment: no, it is documented in php.net [09:16:01] how should we handle something invalid in input string? [09:16:04] that wouldn't be the first time php docs are wrong [09:16:15] try catch and throw mediawiki exception? [09:17:38] haha [09:17:40] "Sorry, but your problem does not imply a bug in PHP itself." [09:17:42] perfect! catch php in the act, then throw it out the window. [09:18:07] http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=37166 [09:19:16] is it possible to catch E_NOTICES? [09:20:01] well, this seems as a problem in iconv library [09:20:05] yes [09:20:14] what's the cross unicode codepoint? [09:20:14] Nikerabbit: http://php.net/manual/en/function.set-error-handler.php [09:21:32] ialex: lots of code to catch one stupid E_NOTICE :E [09:22:04] !e ErrorHandler [09:22:04] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ErrorHandler [09:22:07] Nikerabbit: well, you want to "catch" it :) [09:23:37] okay, /that does it/ [09:23:41] *Splarka starts making a list [09:27:37] why php doesn't support finally [09:27:43] saper: I do [09:28:01] finally should be redundant in a proper OO language - of course PHP isn't one [09:28:22] http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/index.php?title=%C3%90%C2%90%C3%90%C2%BB%C3%90%C2%B5%C3%90%C2%BA%C3%91%C2%81%C3%90%C2%B0%C3%90%C2%BD%C3% [09:28:23] Nikerabbit: well this php bug report _is_ bogus, is this your bug? [09:28:28] is this acceptable behaviour? [09:29:16] well, what's the input sequence? [09:29:23] e2 80 a0 ? [09:29:24] strange question, and i'm sure theres a way i'm missing... if i get back [readonly]->[The wiki is currently in read-only mode] from the api as an error code, is there any clean (api) way to get what the current readonly lock message is? [09:29:36] flyingparchment: why? [09:29:52] argh [09:30:08] saper: the purpose of finally is to free resources, but with OO, you should be able to do RAII, which makes finally pointless. (some languages, like Java, are defective and don't allow this easily) [09:30:09] is it acceptable to throw exception if iconv whines, or should we just ignore it silently? [09:31:05] RAII? [09:31:24] werdna: the concept whereby resources are represented by an object, and freed automaticaly on destruction [09:31:45] flyingparchment: in this case I need to restore the error handler... how would that work in ooop? [09:31:46] e.g.: void my_func() { raii_lock m(some_mutex); /* do something ... */ throw error(); /* m is automatically released when the function returns */ } [09:32:03] oh right [09:32:09] by the object going out of scope? [09:32:12] yes [09:32:26] RAII is the only sane way to write exception-safe code [09:32:38] without it you end up with endless try/catch/finally all over the place, to handle every possible exception [09:33:17] does anybody have an opinion, should it throw an exception or just silently ignore it? [09:35:29] flyingparchment: isn't finally job to clean up execution stack also? [09:40:27] flyingparchment: but that requires binding resource to the context of the stack of some code, I am not sure if it's so easy always, like for example preserving lexical scope... [09:40:47] Nikerabbit: do you know what to do then? [09:41:15] Nikerabbit: I think you should fix the problem, what's the byte sequence that generates the problem? [09:41:26] since afair euro sign does not belong to 8859-2 [09:41:33] saper: 90 in hex [09:41:48] how would I fix the problem? [09:42:01] call to google and ask them not to throw gargabe to my web server? [09:42:49] Nikerabbit: can you give me a whole bytestring you are trying to convert? [09:43:30] saper: rawurldecode('%90') [09:43:39] the full string is in the url I pasted above [09:43:53] the encodings are in the test case I pasted above that [09:44:15] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Splarka/PHP?_love_it_or_hate_it? [09:44:16] Nikerabbit: the bug is wrong, I can't copy and paste, since it's all UTF-8 after I paste, do you get it? :) [09:44:38] saper: what bug? all the information is in this channel [09:44:44] Are there any other cool extensions like the htmldump one? Like ones you gotta have or should look at? [09:45:11] Nikerabbit: the PHP bug URL? [09:45:18] dudette: configure, cleanchanges, cldr for those starting in c [09:45:58] saper: all the information is pasted on this channel! [09:49:19] Nikerabbit: do I understand correctly, feeding 0x90 to iconv coversion from cp1252 to utf-8 does not work? [09:49:46] saper: it is debatable what is "work" in this case, but more importantly it throws E_NOTICE [09:50:43] Nikerabbit: yep, but that's something with iconv understanding of cp1252 [09:51:23] Nikerabbit: this says http://unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/CP1252.TXT 0x90 is undefined in cp1252 [09:51:43] saper: and? [09:52:00] Nikerabbit: why are you converting from cp1252? [09:52:17] because that's the default for mediawiki [09:52:59] Nikerabbit: so the mediawiki should not allow invalid characters in the first place... [09:53:14] argh [09:53:20] are you just wasting my time? [09:53:44] this is *user input* and I asked what should be proper action to invalid user input, got no answer [09:54:43] Nikerabbit: are you reading form variable or is it something pulled from deeper inner workings of MW? [09:55:39] http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/index.php?title=%C3%90%C2%90%C3%90%C2%BB%C3%90%C2%B5%C3%90%C2%BA%C3%91%C2%81%C3%90%C2%B0%C3%90%C2%BD%C3% [09:55:44] you have one guess [09:55:49] saper: from the title parameter in the url [09:56:18] ialex: URLs are usually regarded to be UTF-8, not CP1252? [09:57:04] they are whatever the browsers default character encoding is, ie. anything [09:57:07] 03nikerabbit * r52830 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (Language.php classes/LanguageEo.php): (bug 16885) Silence warnings about invalid characters in input string too with iconv [09:57:23] Nikerabbit: "dudette: configure, cleanchanges, cldr for those starting in c" ??? Sorry I am new to mediawiki. Where would I find these? [09:57:59] mediawiki.org [09:58:44] Nikerabbit: is there a %C at the end? [09:59:32] what end? [10:00:04] of the URL [10:00:07] you pasted [10:00:09] %BD%C... [10:00:44] ... %C3% [10:01:16] 03(mod) PHP Notice: iconv(): Detected an illegal character in input string in /.../languages/Language.php on line 1345 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16885 (10niklas.laxstrom) [10:01:28] Áƒ’áƒ˜áƒáƒ áƒ’áƒ%9 [10:01:57] Is there some extension that removes old revisions? [10:02:06] maintenance script [10:04:02] Is that this one? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Maintenance [10:04:26] Or this one? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MaintenanceShell [10:06:30] a maintenance script not extenstion, they can be found in the maintenance folder of your install [10:08:10] Oh jeez. Which folder would that be on ubuntu? [10:08:24] Sorry for my ignorance. [10:08:40] /innocence [10:12:49] Hi! Why my extension appear in SpecialPages list of my wiki as <nameextension> instead of NameExtension? What's the problem? [10:13:25] *Splarka puts a token into Nikerabbit and presses [info] [10:20:27] Splarka: maintenace/ [10:20:47] Marco27: because you did not follow documentation [10:21:01] Marco27: add an i18n file with message nameextensions and register the file [10:21:30] Nikerabbit: Ok, now I try it... [10:22:23] -s [10:26:19] shit shit shit [10:27:13] What is the installation directory on linux? [10:27:18] I want to find that script [10:29:48] dudette: using a distro package or downloaded from the web? [10:30:07] didn't he say ubuntu at some point [10:30:08] p858snake distro [10:30:12] ubuntu [10:30:46] dudette: generally... ask #ubuntu, they have packaged it, not us, so we cannot know [10:31:00] hopefully /var/www/mediawiki or something [10:31:01] ok [10:31:48] /var/www is completely empty [10:33:09] Simetrical: isn't the point of MITM *not* getting caught [10:36:49] I found the maintenance directory in var/lib/mediawiki/maintenance [10:37:34] So how do I execute that deleteOldRevisions.php script? Via browser? [10:37:41] Command line? [10:38:53] command line [10:39:06] *Nikerabbit hates debian [10:39:30] if they are going to rip out everything, they should provide the support for it [10:39:52] So I simply go: php $ /var/lib/mediawiki/deleteOldRevisions.php [10:39:53] ? [10:40:07] So I simply go: $ php /var/lib/mediawiki/deleteOldRevisions.php [10:41:09] ? [10:43:20] dudette: try it? remember that you can't undo it [10:43:25] so take backups [10:44:41] 1) I am brand new to mediawiki. I was just wondering if that is the general way to excecute the scripts int he maintenance dir [10:45:07] 2) How do I make backups? Do I have to be a mysql DB admin to be able to do that? [10:45:29] I know a bit about mysql but it has been a couple of years... [10:45:41] Yes, that's the general way to run maintenance scripts. [10:45:53] You probably need to set up AdminSettings.php [10:46:43] !backup | dudette [10:46:43] --mwbot-- dudette: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [10:55:17] hey people - is there a way to get a WYSIWYG editor for mediawiki?? [10:55:34] !wysiwyg | fishsponge [10:55:34] --mwbot-- fishsponge: What You See Is What You Get editors allow you to create articles and see the text formatting without needing to Show Preview. A list of wysiwyg editor extensions may be found at . For some discussion, see . See also . [10:57:30] p858snake: What is that !backup? [10:57:53] a bot macro telling you how to move forward in backing up [10:57:56] it gave a responce in relation to your request about backing up your wiki [10:58:17] ahhh [10:58:36] mwbot is a bot. I didn't notice. [10:59:20] Thx for the great link. I will use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Flominator/Backup_MW [11:00:14] I am just wondering can I put that backup.sh script anywhere or does that have to be in the installation dir of the mediawiki? [11:00:54] 03(mod) Please think over the use of the new word "books" instead of "collections" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17214 +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [11:01:33] 03(mod) Allow cross-wiki article collection per Collection extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17168 +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [11:02:34] 03(mod) Allow Books sidebar to be hidden by default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18756 +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [11:06:16] 03(mod) Quotes inside of $\text{...}$ leads to lexing errors. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19547 (10mike.lifeguard) [11:06:52] hello everyone! [11:07:42] i was wondering if there's any way i can enter a custom title for a page without chaning its url. Is it possible in MediaWiki [11:07:46] ? [11:07:56] 03(mod) Bullet list symbol background not transparent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19514 +comment (10liangent) [11:08:11] 03(mod) white background in ul item bullet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19413 +comment (10liangent) [11:08:36] Enricus: which? or

? [11:09:00] Splarka:

, actually [11:09:17] see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowDisplayTitle and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle [11:10:03] thanks a lot for the help, Splarka [11:10:05] bye bye! [11:10:09] without restrict true, you can only set titles that match the URL canonically, eg... "Foo" could be set to "foo", or "foo bar" to "foo_bar" [11:10:20] ciao [11:10:28] thank you so much [11:12:05] Splarka: oh, by the way, is there any way that I can check if that option is enabled on the server i'm working on? [11:12:27] mmm, I think just by trying it out [11:12:38] the restricted version should be allowed, try a lowercase page name [11:13:00] like {{DISPLAYTITLE:{{lcfirst:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}} maybe [11:20:00] uhm, it doesn't work [11:20:14] then it's restricted [11:21:18] well, thanks for helping [11:21:23] bye! [11:24:39] wat...... [11:44:48] 03(NEW) Internal server error on non-javascript sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19562 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (gtisza) [11:46:50] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Flominator/Backup_MW This script doesn't back up any extensions of images only the database. What am I doing wrong. I put it on /home/medesktop [11:56:27] dudette: looks like it's designed to do just that. [11:57:10] dudette: use my script inestad :) [11:58:18] Duesentrieb: Is this your script? http://brightbyte.de/page/MediaWiki_backup [11:58:36] yep [11:58:43] Thx for it. [11:59:31] However, I copied and added my database info, username and password. I have no idea what I should put there for installation dir. On my ubuntu mediawiki is all over the place. [11:59:48] How do I find out what the installation dir is? [11:59:48] you lose, then [11:59:52] :( [12:00:01] there's no sane way to make a backup of all files if all files are ll over the placve [12:00:09] complain to the crazy hick who made the package that way [12:00:28] All I need to backup is the images I guess. [12:00:43] The images and the sql DB is most important, isn't it? [12:00:44] and you localsettings.php [12:00:49] The rest I can get from the web again. [12:01:28] yes, but restoring your setup might be quite a pain [12:01:29] So can I simply use the image dir as the installation dir? I know where that is. [12:01:38] yes, you can [12:01:40] Why? [12:01:44] why? [12:01:54] because you have to remember all your settings and extensions [12:02:00] All I have to do is restore the images and import the sql.sql [12:02:03] and also the version of each extension, etc. [12:02:09] if you want to replicate the setup exactly [12:02:17] which you need to do if you want to use a database dump [12:02:21] hi Duesentrieb [12:02:24] hi Nikerabbit [12:02:28] Damn. [12:02:43] dudette: you can import an *xml* dump into any version/seup of mediawiki. and then import the images. [12:02:46] that would probably work [12:02:55] though some extension based features may be broken. [12:03:09] you would also lose your user base, all logs, etc [12:03:42] dudette: again: coimplain to the package maintainer. they insist ion handlking web applications like unix daemons., that'S silly. it makes life a pain. [12:03:53] that's why we recommend against third party packages. [12:04:06] distriobution packages are good in theory. the problem is: they suck. [12:05:40] *Splarka wonders why Duesentrieb didn't flash his !package at them [12:05:57] !package [12:05:57] --mwbot-- Many Linux distributions provide MediaWiki in a packaged format for that distribution. The MediaWiki development team refers you to your Linux distribution for assistance with installing, configuring or using them. The individual communities & companies who maintain such packages should provide installation instructions. [12:07:54] Duesentrieb: Could you please have a look: http://dpaste.org/qYN3/ [12:08:14] Could you please make a recommendation on which one to use? [12:08:39] 3which what to use for what? [12:08:58] dudette: no. [12:09:40] sorry, but i have no clue. [12:11:48] I found the installation path /var/lib/mediawiki [12:12:30] It contains the images, local settings and extensions [12:12:36] so that has got to be it, right? [12:12:53] I should back up that entire folder and that will be enough. [12:21:11] Ahhh. I just asked for help in the ubuntu channel but nobody seems to know how to back it up. [12:37:06] Hey, quick question, is there some way to check whether the user is logged in? [12:37:48] As in, I want to do {{#if: USERLOGGED IN | bla | otherbla }} [12:38:20] no theres no way built in [12:38:59] Is there a cheat? Like check something that can only return a value if the user is logged in? [12:39:09] no [12:39:18] :( [12:39:58] Damn... oh well, cheers for the quick response [12:42:32] Not even something that returns the users name? [12:44:05] JackieJac: there are extensions, but nothing in core [12:44:37] (because it would break cache consistency and link tables) [12:44:51] ((unless it reparsed the page for every single view)) [12:45:31] JackieJac: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UserFunctions [12:48:26] Hi! There's a group that regroups Blocked Users? Example: I've restricted viewing of some pages on my wiki (only registered users can view they)... There's a way to prevent viewing of those pages to blocked users? [12:49:45] Thanks Splarka [12:53:56] Marco27: arbitrary rights aren't backwards-removable like that (well, not until $wgRevokePermissions was added in r52083, three weeks ago, but that probably isn't easy to apply to blocked users) [12:54:56] you want to allow people to create accounts themselves to read content, but be able to block them from the content later? [12:55:08] or are you creating the accounts? [12:57:47] Splarka: I've installed ConfirmAccount on my wiki... I want to disallow view of some pages to blocked users (as anonymous users) [12:58:34] ahh, "some pages"... MediaWiki doesn't support that ^_^ [12:58:59] probably you'd have to reset their password (bit drastic) [13:01:01] Splarka: for "Some pages" I meant Namespaces that I've restricted... [13:01:41] yes, bad bad... there are around 15 different vectors for getting around read restrictions [13:02:28] (excepting the only officially supported method: locking all pages from view and whitelisting only a few, and not giving any edit rights to any non-read users) [13:03:21] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_certain_specific_pages [13:03:34] big red warning is big, and red, and a warning [13:03:54] Splarka: :D Ok, thanks a lot [13:04:35] see also !access !secrets !cms !worstcase [13:07:40] thank you [13:09:12] Duesentrieb: Are you in da house? [13:09:21] Nikerabbit, MITM isn't necessarily hard to detect, compared to any other exploit mechanism. The attacker just has to mess up once. Or arouse suspicions and then have someone monitor connections and notice the tampering. [13:10:21] I am using the backup script of Duesentrieb. However I am getting a permission denied error. [13:10:47] When I connect directly to the database I have now problem: mysql -u root pMYPASSWORD [13:11:11] But when using the script the error Acess denied (using password: No) comes up. [13:11:18] What am I doing wrong? [13:11:46] dudette: did you remove the # in from of the mysqlopt line? [13:11:52] Yep. [13:12:06] then it should work [13:12:14] Well I am using the password there. [13:12:16] what exactly is the error? [13:12:19] Simetrical: it looks like you are being an alternative voice for mediawiki development lately :o [13:12:24] hm? [13:12:34] I put a comment in front of the empty one #mysqlopt="" [13:12:36] and use the other one [13:12:40] right [13:12:45] I have to run this script as root, right? [13:12:50] no. [13:12:59] I tried it as root and normal user. Both don't work. [13:13:00] you can, but there's no reason to do so. [13:13:09] what *exactly* is the error message? [13:13:22] Do I have to use my ubuntu login name instead of root? [13:13:29] I tried that but also didn't work. [13:13:36] no, you have to use a valid database user and password [13:13:43] which is unrelated to ubuntu users and passwords [13:13:53] But I never set a user. [13:14:16] your wiki uses some username to connect to the database [13:14:27] and some password [13:14:32] that is what you need to put there. [13:14:33] When installing mysql it didn't ask me for anything. I was able to install mediawiki without problems. [13:14:43] The same as in the localsettings.php? [13:14:47] yes [13:14:52] brb [13:16:17] The username is root [13:16:25] that's bad, [13:16:28] And the password is the password i am using in the script. [13:16:34] a webapp should never connect to the database as root. [13:16:46] I know, I will change it later. [13:16:58] However I just want to figure out why it is not working. [13:17:12] well, anyway: if you have your database root password, just use that with the username "root". [13:17:24] Am I now allowed to have .:*,etc in the password? [13:17:42] should be fine, but you might need to put "" around it. [13:17:47] That is the one I am using and it doesn't work. [13:17:48] or better, '' [13:17:58] well then, let me ask you again [13:18:03] what EXACTLY is the error message?! [13:18:33] Can not connect to the database access denied for user root@localhost (using password: no) [13:20:35] dudette: the last bit (using password: no) means it's not even *trying* to use a password. which would mean you didn't set mysqlopt [13:20:42] you must have screwed up the syntax somewhere [13:21:26] Now it is getting even better: Can not connect to the database access denied for user '' @ localhost (using password: no) [13:21:30] hm, the problem may be related to quoting, actually. [13:21:40] nested quoting is tricky, i never got the hang of it. [13:21:46] Even though it says -u root -pMypassword inside the script [13:22:04] I have no nested quoting anywhere. [13:23:14] dudette: forget teh config line and put your -u and -p directly where mysqlopt is used, in the line that starts with mysqldump [13:25:46] bragd*! [13:25:49] Damn! [13:25:58] I did, and it didn't work. [13:26:11] 03(NEW) SMW 1.4.2: RDF export corrupt when imported vocabulary is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19563 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (knechtel+bugzilla) [13:26:14] you are doing something wrong, then... [13:26:35] If i go sh ./backup_mediawiki.sh I am getting Can not connect to the database access denied for user '' @ localhost (using password: no) [13:26:37] dudette: with the same error message? using password. no? [13:26:57] If i go sudo sh ./backup_mediawiki.sh I am getting Can not connect to the database access denied for user 'root' @ localhost (using password: no) [13:27:02] sorry, no clue wtf you are doing. [13:27:11] the sudo is pointless, btw [13:27:42] But without the sudo I am getting ' '@localhost and with it I am getting at least 'root'@localhost. [13:33:17] If I don't use sudo then it will not back up any images. The /var/lib/mediawiki/images folder is only accessible by root. [13:40:23] 03(mod) Clear new messages flag for anonymous users after a few months - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14396 lowest->normal; summary; +comment (10matthew.britton) [13:42:53] 03(mod) http://www.wikibooks.org is an HTTP redirect loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19460 (10Platonides) [13:48:31] 03(mod) http://www.wikibooks.org is an HTTP redirect loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19460 (10jlerner) [13:49:19] Duesentrieb: http://dpaste.org/9tZf/ [13:50:38] dudette: you still have the wrong parameters for mysql [13:50:48] dudette: type mysql -u root -pwahtever on the command line [13:52:24] mysql -u root -pwahtever on the command line lets me connect no problem [13:56:04] Does the user under which I installed the mediawiki mysqldb php5 etc have to be in a particular group? He is only in the admin group [13:56:30] no [13:57:04] try mysqldump -u root -pwahtever wikidbname > /dev/null [14:00:34] Duesentrieb: mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) when trying to connect [14:01:05] dudette: then your mysqlödump command is fucked up in some very strange way. it simply doesn't accept the -p option, for whatever reason. [14:01:06] does your root mysql account have a password? [14:01:12] yes. and it should have [14:01:22] and yours does too [14:01:28] otherwise, it would let you in without a password [14:01:38] it just pretends you don't provide one. [14:02:39] dudette: i'm using ubuntu too, and my mysqldump command works fine with -p [14:02:52] maybe you ahve an alias defined, or some odd script in the path, or whatever... [14:03:05] :( [14:03:10] dudette: type which mysqldump [14:04:06] /usr/bin/mysqldump [14:06:49] ok. then try alias mysqldump [14:07:28] Damn, could I just tried the mysqldump command under a different user and it works [14:07:35] No output [14:07:53] The other ubuntu user must have some restrictions [14:08:08] Does he have to be in the mysql group or something? [14:08:08] but that's not what the error sais. [14:08:13] sounds extremly odd to me :) [14:08:38] i wrote and tersted the script under ubuntu, btw [14:08:39] you could try asking in the ubuntu channel maybe [14:10:24] No alias defined under either user. [14:10:49] Now the mysqldump -u root -pMypass mydb > /dev/null works [14:10:56] No error [14:11:14] But the script still doesn't work. [14:11:45] How can I reset the root mysql password? [14:12:15] --user=root --password=mynewpass [14:12:36] when you log into mysql as root, you can change your password. but when you can log in, you know the correct password, so there's no reason to change it. [14:12:45] anyway, there's no good reason to do any of this as root. [14:13:24] I know, as I already said but it still doesn't work. [14:17:18] *werdna bahs at ( ! ) Notice: Did not find name for special page SplitThread [Called from SpecialPage::getTitleFor in /Users/andrew/wm-svn/phase3/includes/SpecialPage.php at line 623] in /Users/andrew/wm-svn/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 3004 [14:17:36] 03(NEW) Missing hook docs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19564 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (innocentkiller) [14:18:06] 03(mod) SMW 1.4.2: RDF export corrupt when imported vocabulary is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19563 (10markus) [14:18:09] 03(mod) rdf export does not generate valid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17953 (10markus) [14:20:22] werdna: yes? [14:20:29] never mind, I fixed it [14:20:39] werdna: isn't it nice that it tells us that? :) [14:20:56] No, because the error message is useless [14:20:58] it gives no context [14:21:31] werdna: well, increase the number then [14:21:41] it should say "Unable to find special page alias for page '$page'. Perhaps there are no aliases defined." [14:21:56] oh [14:22:01] werdna: you can fix that easily [14:22:31] *^demon gives {{sofixit}} cookies to everyone [14:25:12] <^demon> i wonder what they would taste like [14:26:12] ^demon: the current batch are made from werdna's toenail clippings so not nice i'm guessing [14:26:29] <^demon> ew. [14:26:46] werdna: if ( !$found ) wfWarn( "Did not find name for special page $name. Perhaps it is misspelled or there are no aliases defined." ); [14:26:49] is that ok? [14:26:55] I just changed it [14:28:04] didn't see commit [14:28:11] 03werdna * r52832 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/SpecialPage.php): Make warnings for special page alias errors useful [14:28:19] committed just now [14:28:20] ok [14:28:43] I didn't think you would pull the rope :) [14:30:02] <^demon> werdna: rvt hooks.txt? [14:30:13] I don't think I ctually changed anything [14:30:40] <^demon> its got the conflicted revisions crap? [14:31:10] does it? I thought I reverted it [14:31:29] <^demon> it showed up in my email and on CR [14:31:36] lame [14:31:37] <^demon> !r 52832 [14:31:37] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52832 [14:31:40] must have forgotten -R [14:31:48] I've got the commit queued up, just doing its thing [14:33:05] 03werdna * r52833 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: remove conflict markers [14:33:19] ARE YOU HAPPY NOW :P [14:33:32] <^demon> YES!!!!11! [14:34:24] NO!!!!11! [14:35:22] <^demon> Werdna: do you think you can whip up a patch for bug 1? [14:38:04] 03(NEW) abusefilter cannot check file uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19565 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (liangent) [14:38:54] 03daniel * r52834 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/test/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/analyzer/WikiTextAnalyzerTest.java: fixed test case [14:39:20] i should change that bugs title just to screw with the submitter [14:39:54] <^demon> that's disruptive :p [14:40:43] be fun though, and i'm in a bad mood from job hunting [14:41:53] it's a dupe, but I cbf closing it right now [14:54:25] 03minuteelectron * r52835 10/trunk/extensions/Mibbit/Mibbit_body.php: [14:54:25] Mibbit extension: [14:54:25] * Use '_' instead of '+' for usernames containing spaces. [14:55:49] 03minuteelectron * r52836 10/trunk/extensions/Mibbit/Mibbit.php: [14:55:49] Mibbit extension: [14:55:49] * Update version number per previous commit. [14:56:08] 03(mod) mwdumper java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Invalid contributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18328 (10kurzum) [15:03:16] 03(FIXED) Rollback on pt.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19470 +comment (10rhalsell) [15:06:07] 03(mod) mwdumper java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Invalid contributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18328 (10kurzum) [15:07:19] hey all, is there a way to ascertain whether a user is logged in or not in a skin ? [15:07:38] Im trying to hide a selection of links (article tools) if there isn't anyone logged in [15:09:37] 03(mod) mwdumper java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Invalid contributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18328 (10innocentkiller) [15:17:50] Is anyone here familiar with pingbox ? [15:17:59] the pingbox extension [15:18:09] leehambley_: global $wgUser;$wgUser->isLoggedIn(); [15:18:22] roberthl: thanks [15:18:28] np [15:18:33] is there a good reference for skin dev ? [15:18:47] developed one for capify.org, but I don't like it yet :) [15:19:13] Probably something on MediaWiki.org. Also see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8138012.stm [15:19:16] er, not that [15:19:22] http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/ [15:19:36] I would start with an existing skin and modify it how you like. [15:19:59] Presumably you've already done this. [15:20:03] thanks roberthl [15:20:06] yeah, hacked monobook [15:20:16] now you've said that $wgUser, I can see it [15:20:27] i've read right past it twice in my function execute(){}; [15:29:21] when running update.php, I get this : Error: 1146 Table 'wikidb.l10n_cache' doesn't exist (localhost) [15:29:46] <^demon> ThomasV: that shouldve been fixed, are you on head? [15:30:16] yes, but I had to kill 'svn up' because it stalled on extensions [15:30:41] <^demon> Update.php was broken between r52503 & r52730 [15:32:20] apparently this table is created in maintenance/tables.sql [15:35:45] <^demon> There should be a patch too. [15:36:50] was this table introduced recently ? [15:37:08] <^demon> yes, in [15:37:13] <^demon> r52503 [15:38:11] anyway, update.php should create it [15:38:13] 03(mod) http://www.wikibooks.org is an HTTP redirect loop - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19460 (10Platonides) [15:40:22] I created the table manually and it worked [15:40:26] <^demon> it does for me. [15:40:35] I suspect there is a problem with the patch [15:43:04] now if I delete the table, same problem : update.php fails to create it [15:43:18] should I file a bug ? [15:43:24] <^demon> with what error? "fails" is vague. [15:43:38] [maintenance] php update.php [15:43:38] A database error has occurred [15:43:38] Query: SELECT lc_value FROM `l10n_cache` WHERE lc_lang = 'en' AND lc_key = 'deps' LIMIT 1 [15:43:38] Function: LCStore_DB::get [15:43:38] Error: 1146 Table 'wikidb.l10n_cache' doesn't exist (localhost) [15:45:05] <^demon> it seems like youre missing tims fix from r52730 [15:45:34] I'm at 52836. [15:45:44] <^demon> reopen bug 19447 if you need to, dont file a new one. [15:46:17] 03nikerabbit * r52837 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Validate translations for namespaces, magic words and special page aliases [15:46:18] hi ^demon [15:47:00] <^demon> hola [15:47:55] *^demon curses our crappy ticket/work order system [15:48:10] it's already been reopened [15:51:24] 03(mod) Database update for l10n_cache fails on non-EN installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19447 +comment (10thomasV1) [15:51:24] <^demon> i just cant wrap my head around this button. when you click it it sometimes works and sometimes doesnt in no reproducable pattern. its not really lagging or erroring, it just silently fails to work. try again in 5-10 seconds, it may work. [15:51:26] <^demon> geez. [15:56:09] 03thomasv * r52838 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): new hook, that allows extensions/ProofreadPage to read form data server-side rather than using javascript [16:01:48] does anyone here have a good resource on updating an extension? i'm trying to use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Pingbox on 1.16 and i'm getting errors [16:06:28] 03(mod) mwdumper java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Invalid contributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18328 (10kurzum) [16:08:16] 03(mod) MIME type detection of "application/x-php" gives false positives on any file with " 03daniel * r52839 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (16 files in 3 dirs): eswiki stuff [16:14:12] 03nikerabbit * r52840 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SpecialPage.php parser/ParserOptions.php): Fixing some irritating whitespace [16:16:14] is there anyway to rotate images at certain times of the day? I want a sun to display during the day on the main page, then a moon at night [16:17:00] no [16:17:09] fn][, template that looks at the time on page load and selects an image? [16:17:32] would not work properly due to caching? [16:17:37] damn [16:17:39] Hmm [16:17:47] 03(mod) MIME type detection of "application/x-php" gives false positives on any file with " is there a way with html tricks? [16:18:20] fn][: can you write php? [16:18:30] no [16:18:38] too bad [16:18:44] could that do it if I learn? [16:18:47] 03ialex * r52841 10/trunk/tools/planet/fr/config.ini: Per request: add Coyau's blog [16:19:16] I dont know if the mediawiki thing will allow php [16:19:28] you could just link to an image which changes according to the clock, with proper caching [16:19:36] 03(FIXED) Registration time in Preferences different from Special:ListUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19555 +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp) [16:20:04] but you would need to display an external image.. for which there is no syntax... unless you allow all external images [16:20:43] ah [16:28:21] I'm trying to enable uploads in LocalSettings.php... but I still get the error on the Special:Uploads page that uploads are disabled. [16:29:03] pastebin LocalSettings.php with passwords removed [16:36:11] make sure you are editing the right file [16:36:22] e.g. not the one in the config dir. [16:37:15] 03thomasv * r52842 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: fix for anons [16:44:30] *Dantman wonders how much ownership of mediawiki-hosting.com/info is worth. [16:45:24] 03catrope * r52843 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: Document EditPageBeforeEditToolbar hook [16:45:37] 03(mod) Missing hook docs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19564 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [16:46:57] Dantman: are you going to sell it? [16:48:21] Nikerabbit, I already own mediawiki-hosting.info, mediawiki-hosting.com was owned by someone else, expired, then zipdomains bought it and want to sell it to me for $45 USD [16:48:36] that's not much [16:48:45] just buy it [16:49:24] how do I comment out lines in php? # doesnt work [16:50:01] Cept I never finished mediawiki-hosting.info (comparison of mw hosting services), it's not really needed anymore because all the /good/ MW hosts other than Wikia are dead, Wikia has opened up more, and I'm not interested in doing hosting anymore. [16:50:22] fn][: #, // and /* ... */ all work [16:50:38] Dantman: too bad [16:50:42] its displaying my # [16:50:47] Dantman: how about commercial hosting? [16:50:50] ill try one of the others [16:50:56] fn][: in which context? [16:51:19] in the monobook.php.. trying to remove the side banner [16:51:32] Nikerabbit, I'm just not interested in working with MW anymore... [16:52:03] now its displaying the /** [16:52:12] fn][: that's html, not php then [16:52:20] Dantman: oh, just hanging around? [16:52:32] 03ashley * r52844 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserActivity/ (UserActivity.i18n.php UserActivityClass.php): SocialProfile: fixes for UserActivity [16:52:34] did you find something cooler? [16:52:37] Nikerabbit, sorta... plus I still use it user side [16:52:45] Nikerabbit, ah, how do I comment out in html? [16:52:50] fn][: remove it [16:53:19] Nikerabbit, nah... I've grown to love JavaScript, grown to loath PHP. And while MW makes nicer use of PHP than most other things, It's still far from a comfortable programming environment for me. [16:53:35] Dantman: well, we have jQuery soon! [16:53:40] that worked [16:53:57] hello [16:54:32] hi [16:54:33] *captainxark waves [16:54:34] Nikerabbit, ^_^ Wikia already does... I rewrote WP's collapsible tables and NavFrame in jQuery. And wrote a ArchiveTool, and am 90% finished a tool that lets you easily create redirects to the page you are currently on. [16:54:55] Dantman: and... I don't see those feature in svn [16:55:26] Bah... http://dev.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_JavaScript_Enhancements [16:55:41] svn doesn't give me a place I can use as a central repo [16:56:07] central repo? [16:56:10] Dantman: don't get too far into archival. LiquidThreads will be running soon enough :) [16:56:26] werdna: does lqt allow watching individual threads? [16:56:35] of course [16:56:58] werdna: so we can close the bug?? [16:57:09] Nikerabbit, on Wikia `includeScriptPage('ShowHide/code.js', 'dev');` inside Common.js will include the shared ShowHide code into the wiki (and we can update it in one location) [16:57:25] roberthl: http://pastebin.ca/1487078 [16:57:28] nowait, importScriptPage [16:57:35] That's my LocalSettings.php, and I'm trying to enable file uploads [16:57:40] all custom lines are at the bottom of that file [16:57:46] Nikerabbit: there's a bug? [16:57:48] 03(mod) Missing hook docs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19564 (10innocentkiller) [16:58:01] werdna: at least https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19530 [16:58:31] Dr_Link: You have not set $wgEnableUploads to true. [16:58:40] Dr_Link: See lin 81. [16:59:03] line [17:03:03] 03thomasv * r52845 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: minor fix [17:03:55] Nikerabbit, the last thing I intend to write in PHP, is the project I'm currently working on at work. Anything after that will be ruby, or server-side JavaScript. [17:03:57] 03catrope * r52846 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): (bug 19529) Missing styling for metadata table in Vector [17:04:08] ((And in the future even that PHP project will be rewritten in js)) [17:04:13] never used either [17:04:27] 03tparscal * r52847 10/trunk/extensions/DataCenter/.project: Removed eclipse project file [17:04:34] server side js sounds icky... but I guess it is the future [17:04:48] Nikerabbit, a lot less icky than you think [17:04:57] general noob question, i just installed 1.15 version from the website, but the latest on sourceforge is 1.9, is the file on sourceforge an updater or the full package? [17:05:00] On the server you aren't under the same limitations as the browser [17:05:11] captainxark: SourceForge is deprecated, ignore it. [17:05:26] 03(FIXED) Missing styling for file metadata table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19529 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [17:05:38] captainxark: 1.15 > 1.9, FWIW [17:06:08] we should stop using the dot [17:06:20] people don't grasp it [17:06:25] Ideally, yes. [17:06:50] 1/15 1/9 [17:07:02] it's odd, i've never seen any other software where people have trouble understanding version numbers [17:07:27] Generally it is because people interpret it as a decimal, but you know this of course. [17:07:45] Nikerabbit, which statement/expression in JS have you found the most icky? [17:08:00] roberthl: yes, i know why it happens, but it seems to happen with mediawiki much more often than other software i've seen [17:08:26] Dantman: weak typing, browser differences (n/a), var [17:09:26] flyingparchment: well, if your going to have a sourceforge page that claims there are later versions than your website, then documentation that references later versions than are even available on the website....there is just going to be confusion [17:09:34] 03(mod) MIME type detection of "application/x-php" gives false positives on any file with " captainxark: 1.9 is not later than 1.15. 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11, 1.12, 1.13, 1.14, 1.15 [17:10:12] Nikerabbit, PHP is even weaker typed than JS, Ruby's strong typing gets in my way practically. Browser differences don't exist on the server and 90% of browser differences are in the DOM not the js engine. var is necessary because of closures. [17:11:01] When I uploaded an image, MediaWiki attempted to create a thumbnail of the image. However, it gave an error... [17:11:03] Error creating thumbnail: /usr/bin/convert: Unrecognized option (-thumbnail). [17:11:22] *Dantman thinks instead of referring to it as 1.15 we should perhaps use 1.15.x [17:13:05] much thanks for clearing that up, i had assumed 1.9 meant 1.90, and i reserve the right not to consider myself a complete iditio regardless of this [17:13:16] er, idiot [17:15:45] captainxark: not an idiot, just what's the word [17:16:01] unaware [17:16:28] works for me [17:20:09] next question, in my quest for awareness, wanting to restrict anonymous editing, from the docs: added the $wggrouppermissions = false line, anonymous can still edit [17:20:34] did you use the correct capitalization? [17:21:35] i did, but i found another error. now it works. much thanks [17:23:44] Nikerabbit, this is why var is important: JS: http://pastie.org/537318 Ruby: http://pastie.org/537319 [17:25:50] I'm not good at that kind of code reading [17:26:52] Hi folks. I recently made a little javascript tool to change the flagged revision level for specific revisions. ( http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Bawolff/sandbox/powerFlag ) It was suggested to me that i should talk to the devs to see if its something that should be a special page [17:27:11] So i thought i'd mention it here [17:29:28] Nikerabbit: Both JS and Ruby have closures, and JS has anonymous functions while Ruby has blocks (both inline code); However js defines the scope of a variable as where you called `var`, Ruby seams to define it as the outermost block that you set the variable with a value. This means that in Ruby if for some reason someone set a variable with the same name as one you are using, it would magically leak out of that scope and you would be modifying someon [17:29:28] e else's variable leading to potentially unexpected results. JS uses var to define scope, so you can create a new variable with the same name in a deeper scope without breaking code outside. [17:30:09] so is var local or global? [17:30:59] var binds a variable to the scope it's in. ie: Inside of a function block it binds a variable to that function, inside of the global scope where you aren't in a function it binds the variable to the global scope. [17:31:13] 03(mod) follow options for paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19530 (10niklas.laxstrom) [17:31:39]