[00:22:31] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52877 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Vector.php: Resolved problem with classes being defined twice.
[00:24:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) portlets have 2x class= when selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19573  +comment (10tparscal)
[00:26:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Internal server error on non-javascript sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19562  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:26:56] <CIA-58>	03dale * r52878 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libEmbedVideo/embedVideo.js: cleanup of recommending firefox for any case where you have ogg video
[00:36:00] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52879 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: Fixed fatal error breakage (bug 19562)
[00:36:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Internal server error on non-javascript sighting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19562  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:37:28] *atglenn 	gives aa ron a cookie
[00:37:37] <atglenn>	(the flavor of your choice)
[00:44:47] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52880 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: 
[00:44:47] <CIA-58>	*Use is_array() for tab check
[00:44:47] <CIA-58>	*Fixed typo
[01:00:13] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52881 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RevisionReview_body.php: Treat unflagging of unflagged revision as success (bug 19545)
[01:02:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JS addPortletLink() should perhaps have vector specific code in order to be compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19559  (10bawolff+wn)
[01:03:10] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52882 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/api/ApiReview.php: Short-circuited template stuff for API unapprove
[01:14:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "jump to" accessibility links jump to right place but with wrong names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  (10jidanni)
[01:28:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Extension distributor not distributing UsabilityInitiative - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19575 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (Drilnoth)
[01:55:49] <bird>	Anyone around to help? I'm trying to configure my wiki with Short URLs, but the manual does not help my confusion. 8c
[02:09:50] <Subfader>	don't do it ;)
[02:11:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ogg files lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5828  (10nospam)
[02:34:27] <RDove>	what are some other ways to make mediawiki faster?  Some reason if I refresh my page, its real slow.  I have APC caching, should i install other caching methods too
[02:48:31] <chuck>	RDove: file cache
[02:49:13] <chuck>	!wg UseFileCache
[02:49:13] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseFileCache
[02:49:46] <chuck>	squid or varnish would be faster than the file cache because it doesn't even have to touch your web server or php, but it's a bit of a pain to setup
[02:50:49] <RDove>	can you have file cache and apc running @ one time?  they different?
[02:51:03] <chuck>	yeah, they're different
[02:51:13] <RDove>	oh ok i think file caching disabled
[02:51:13] <MrZ-man>	squid/file cache cache rendered HTML
[02:51:37] <MrZ-man>	memcached could help too
[02:52:00] <RDove>	if i dont specify a directory for file caching does it use a default or am i required to specify?
[02:52:31] <chuck>	RDove: You are using the $wgMainCacheType (or one of its friends) configuration variable in addition to just enabling APC in the php configuration, right?
[02:52:46] <RDove>	yeah
[02:52:50] <chuck>	kk
[02:52:52] <RDove>	and i feel like thats working well
[02:53:59] <RDove>	my biggest complaint was if i browse through a few pages, every now and then the webbrowser got stuck on one
[02:54:07] <RDove>	then i have to press f5 a few times to get it going again
[02:54:35] <chuck>	i sometimes get that too for some reason
[02:54:42] <RDove>	is $wgUseGzip = true; a good thing ?
[02:55:19] <RDove>	wikipedia doesn't have that problem, wonder what is different
[02:55:40] <RDove>	i have one server running this small wiki page... http://www.ronalddove.com is my page
[02:55:49] <RDove>	i like wiki style for notes and stuff
[03:10:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JS addPortletLink() should perhaps have vector specific code in order to be compatible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19559  (10roan.kattouw)
[03:13:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "jump to" accessibility links jump to right place but with wrong names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  (10roan.kattouw)
[03:13:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Extension distributor not distributing UsabilityInitiative - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19575  (10roan.kattouw)
[03:24:49] <GreenReaper>	Is there any reason for the use of the "name" attribute in <a> tags in MediaWiki (Linker::makeHeadline) other than for Netscape 4.0 compatability?
[03:27:59] <Splarka>	witch hunter
[03:28:22] <charitwo>	witch!
[03:28:29] *charitwo 	points at Splarka
[03:28:54] <GreenReaper>	'cause I removed it and it actually made a noticeable difference on one of our pages, so. <g>
[03:29:31] <GreenReaper>	(noticable as in size - admittedly, it was Russian, and the header names are all messed up in that due to restrictions on what you can put in an ID)
[03:41:18] <Splarka>	hmm, GreenReaper: IE 5-7 and Opera have some oddness about it
[03:41:42] <Splarka>	in rare cases, where a name="" of one object matches an id="" of another
[03:42:14] <RDove>	is there a way to disable the table of contents for one page that has a bunch of = headings =?  I am trying to format a news page with = DATA = but i don't want the navigation 
[03:42:21] <RDove>	i mean table of contents
[03:42:31] <Splarka>	__NOTOC__
[03:43:13] <RDove>	ty
[03:43:54] <GreenReaper>	Splarka: Can you see that being a factor in favour of not removing it? I mean, we shouldn't have a name matching ids in document the anyway, because then they would match a current name in the document too (the one currently being emitted for compatability)
[03:44:22] <Splarka>	not sure, since name="" attributes can be shared... 
[03:44:37] <Splarka>	(in some circumstances anyway, and getElementsByName is an array)
[03:44:47] *GreenReaper 	makes a ==top== just to cause trouble.
[03:45:55] <Splarka>	try something like <div name="foo"> and <div id="foo">, and see which one getElementById('foo') returns in IE5-8 and Opera before 9.5
[03:46:13] <Splarka>	though, I wonder what it would do with <div name="foo"> and <div name="foo" id="foo">
[03:48:10] <RDove>	was wikipedia the first site to use mediawiki ever?  is that what developers were using first to show off the work they did?
[03:48:41] <GreenReaper>	The software was developed for Wikipedia, yes.
[03:48:53] <Splarka>	but Wikipedia predated it
[03:49:13] <GreenReaper>	Yeah, this is just phase 3 (you don't want to see phase 1 and 2 :-).
[03:49:15] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UseModWiki
[03:50:21] <Splarka>	well, those were all retroactively named MediaWiki
[03:50:24] <Splarka>	sorta
[03:50:58] <Tim-away>	if you say so
[03:51:17] *Splarka 	snickers
[03:51:37] <Splarka>	(if people don't misinform the public, Tim gets too idle)
[03:54:36] <Tim-away>	the fact that mediawiki is used on wikipedia contributed to mediawiki's popularity
[03:54:47] <Tim-away>	but that wasn't the point, we just wanted to build an encyclopedia
[03:54:56] <RDove>	cool 
[03:55:04] <Tim-away>	and if other people wanted to use the same software, that was fine
[03:55:56] <Splarka>	even when they come in and yell at you for not giving them support for CMS style features?
[03:55:58] <GreenReaper>	Then we started complaining about it.
[04:03:56] <RDove>	you guys are talented for making the software, i enjoy playing with it
[04:20:43] <CIA-58>	03dale * r52883 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed inline play links for recent changes
[04:21:36] <CIA-58>	03dale * r52884 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libEmbedVideo/ (embedVideo.js javaEmbed.js nativeEmbed.js): added oncanplaythrough play request for native
[04:38:13] <CIA-58>	03simetrical * r52885 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: Fix weird calling convention for Skin::makeGlobalVariablesScript
[04:52:35] <CIA-58>	03mrzman * r52886 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/DefaultSettings.php skins/common/wikibits.js): 
[04:52:35] <CIA-58>	Make importScriptURI() use a <link> in all cases.
[04:52:35] <CIA-58>	Previously it used document.createStyleSheet for IE (which appears to be the only browser that supports it) or @import for everything else
[04:53:34] <MrZ-man>	Splarka: ^ I forgot to mention you, noted it on codereview
[04:54:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove the name attribute from header <a> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19576 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (greenreaper)
[04:58:13] <Splarka>	MrZ-man: you also said "Script" instead of "Style", like I did... >_<
[04:58:21] <Splarka>	er, Stylesheet
[04:58:32] <MrZ-man>	:P
[04:58:42] <Splarka>	did you test it tho? I didn't ^_^
[04:58:52] <MrZ-man>	yes, briefly
[04:59:21] <Annemarie>	If it breaks, surely someone will complain.
[04:59:23] <Splarka>	oop brb
[04:59:29] <GreenReaper>	Hmm. Actually, I'm not entirely sure why the id isn't just on the h in this case. But I don't know whether other browser have issues with linking to IDs on <hX> elements.
[05:00:42] <MrZ-man>	its pretty much the same exact thing we use for importScriptURI, except with a <link> instead of a <script>
[05:00:49] <Splarka>	right
[05:00:57] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: ping
[05:01:01] <GreenReaper>	Pong
[05:01:21] <Splarka>	damn, now I can't remember
[05:01:24] <Annemarie>	<GreenReaper> Hmm. Actually, I'm not entirely sure why the id isn't just on the h in this case. But I don't know whether other browser have issues with linking to IDs on <hX> elements.
[05:01:27] <Splarka>	were you using protocol-relative URIs?
[05:01:34] <GreenReaper>	Yes.
[05:01:41] <GreenReaper>	for various things, including the interwikis.
[05:01:44] <Splarka>	and importStylesheet was screwing them up?
[05:01:49] <GreenReaper>	broke MediaWiki several times.
[05:01:51] <GreenReaper>	Umm.
[05:02:12] *Splarka 	didn't expect MrZ to go fix it without some fun bureaucracy first X_X, heh
[05:03:11] <GreenReaper>	I think it was more that Firefox sucked but I could be wrong.
[05:03:26] <GreenReaper>	i.e. it didn't accept a protocol-relative URI for a stylesheet.
[05:04:41] <Splarka>	hmm, I thought that was just for <style> @import?
[05:05:09] <GreenReaper>	It's possible.
[05:05:34] <GreenReaper>	I didn't get around to testing the various possibilities because I was tired and grouchy and preparing for a convention.
[05:07:54] <Splarka>	hmm
[05:08:05] *Splarka 	tests
[05:09:26] <Splarka>	all seems to work in Mozilla...
[05:10:40] <Splarka>	but it worked before too, heh
[05:11:20] <Splarka>	<base href="http://en.wikipedia.org"> <script type="text/javascript"> importStylesheetURI('//en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/monobook/main.css'); </script>
[05:12:32] <GreenReaper>	This was for FFx 2 so
[05:12:52] <GreenReaper>	would need oldMozilla. <g>
[05:13:33] <Splarka>	http://hoaxblog.s3.amazonaws.com/jackodolia.jpg
[05:15:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove the name attribute from header <a> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19576  (10greenreaper)
[05:36:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove the name attribute from header <a> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19576  (10greenreaper)
[07:31:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Save Button grey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19577 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (markus.albert)
[07:52:21] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r52887 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[07:52:21] <CIA-58>	* Change 'delaydef_desc' to 'delaydef-desc' for consistency
[07:52:21] <CIA-58>	* Add extension to translatewiki
[08:12:49] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r52888 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[08:12:49] <CIA-58>	Implemented the PoolCounter feature and did some general refactoring in the areas that it touched.
[08:12:49] <CIA-58>	* Renamed Article::outputFromWikitext() to Article::getOutputFromWikitext()
[08:12:49] <CIA-58>	* Factored out cascade protection updates
[08:12:50] <CIA-58>	* Removed recently-added Article::tryParserCache(): misnamed, can be done in one line of code in the caller. Deprecated OutputPage::tryParserCache().
[08:12:53] <CIA-58>	* Made some functions public instead of protected when they could be useful from hooks.
[08:12:55] <CIA-58>	* In ParserCache, removed PHP 4-style ampersands
[08:15:42] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r52889 10/trunk/extensions/PoolCounter/ (4 files): Client-side code for Domas's pool counter daemon (in python).
[08:16:40] <TimStarling>	domas: I thought maybe we could put the server-side code there as well, along with any packaging stuff
[08:22:09] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52890 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[08:22:09] <CIA-58>	Follow-up to r52888:
[08:22:09] <CIA-58>	* add new message to messages.inc
[08:22:09] <CIA-58>	* rewording and trailing whitespace trim for 'view-pool-error'
[08:30:02] <domas>	TimStarling: probably :)
[08:30:11] <domas>	TimStarling: I wonder where master repo should be ;-)
[08:30:54] <domas>	with distributed VC it is somewhat more lax :)
[08:38:57] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52891 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[08:38:57] <CIA-58>	* PoolCounter update: extension credits, stylize.php, trailing whitespace removed, messages file header
[08:38:57] <CIA-58>	* add support for PoolCounterClient to Translate
[08:39:20] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52892 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (4 files in 3 dirs): analyzer test interface
[08:39:32] <siebrand>	TimStarling: PHP Strict Standards:  Non-static method PoolCounter::factory() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in /var/www/w/includes/Article.php on line 898
[08:42:26] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r52893 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PoolCounter.php: Added missing static keyword
[08:42:58] <TimStarling>	domas: the client has a proposed "wait" command
[08:43:12] <domas>	TimStarling: I noticed, wanted to ask what it means
[08:43:26] <domas>	(and how to avoid race conditions there)
[08:43:30] <domas>	does it have to wait on stuff it has acquired?
[08:43:51] <domas>	does it wait for pool to shrink below a threshold, or does it wait for clean release?
[08:44:05] <siebrand>	TimStarling: thanks
[08:44:26] <TimStarling>	it waits for the pool to shrink below a threshold, and also it has a server-side timeout
[08:45:40] <domas>	there's a problem there
[08:46:02] <domas>	more waiters = bigger pool
[08:46:21] <domas>	and if pool shrinks, should all waiters be signaled or just one
[08:46:38] <domas>	damn, I need to read a book about locking :)
[08:47:01] <TimStarling>	mmm
[08:47:13] <domas>	I thought about release options
[08:47:17] <cybunk>	somebody know a great tutotrial for installation Extension:FlaggedRevs
[08:47:21] <domas>	'broadcast' and 'signal' 
[08:48:01] <domas>	this is why I somehow dropped this on monday and was looking for some inspiration afterwards :)
[08:49:17] <TimStarling>	well, you can answer the problem of waiters being in the pool by just not having them be in it
[08:49:42] <domas>	right
[08:49:45] <TimStarling>	as for signalling multiple waiters, I guess one will have to be signalled, then the process repeated after a timeout
[08:50:35] <Splarka>	same problems as a poolside cafe
[08:50:44] <TimStarling>	no, no need for timeout
[08:50:47] <domas>	timstarling: the problem here is that if someone succeeded
[08:50:52] <domas>	the job may be not needed at all
[08:50:57] <domas>	so it may be useful to signal all 
[08:50:59] <TimStarling>	as long as the wait function acquires, then it's no problem
[08:51:41] <TimStarling>	well, the way I've factored out Article.php currently, there's no way to recheck the parser cache
[08:52:00] <TimStarling>	I guess I should fix that
[08:53:30] <TimStarling>	say if the maximum is 5, and you have 5 in the pool, and some waiters
[08:54:08] <TimStarling>	then when one of the clients in the pool releases, you can respond with a success value for one of the waiters, and simultaneously put it in the pool
[08:54:16] <TimStarling>	so the pool count stays at 5
[08:55:08] <domas>	well, and then... what to do if it was a failure
[08:55:23] <domas>	yeah, but waiters might have best result if they would be told that there was a success
[08:55:35] <domas>	which could cause stampede, if it wasn't
[08:56:05] <TimStarling>	they could recheck the parser cache once the wait completes, then release their pool membership after a few milliseconds
[08:56:26] <TimStarling>	not quite as fast as waking all of them
[08:56:31] <domas>	which would serialize 
[08:56:31] <domas>	yes
[08:56:45] <domas>	could work, though
[08:58:05] <domas>	well, I can give release option
[08:58:08] <domas>	"broadcast"
[08:58:14] <domas>	and allow the client to determine
[08:58:50] <domas>	the other thing then
[08:59:02] <domas>	should "acquire" put into "wait" , in case of certain threshold?
[08:59:41] <TimStarling>	not with the current client, because when acquire fails it checks the dirty cache
[09:00:27] <TimStarling>	in theory we could broadcast some arbitrary data from release to all the waiters
[09:00:28] <domas>	right
[09:00:33] <TimStarling>	like, say, the entire parser cache entry
[09:00:46] <domas>	well, I'm not worried about stampede hitting memcached
[09:01:02] <domas>	I'm worried about stampede consuming apaches
[09:01:13] <TimStarling>	ok
[09:01:47] <domas>	memcached is cheaper than poolcounter too ;-)
[09:02:16] <TimStarling>	we're going to need a limit on the number of waiters
[09:02:45] <TimStarling>	it should start serving error messages if it gets too high, otherwise we'll DoS something
[09:03:40] <TimStarling>	if there's 100 waiters, that's fine, if there's 10000, things will break
[09:03:47] <domas>	right
[09:06:40] <TimStarling>	maybe instead of an error we should serve a refresh header, and a little animated GIF progress bar saying "please wait while the article is being rendered"
[09:07:12] <TimStarling>	that would be kind of cute
[09:12:10] <TimStarling>	http://www.ajaxload.info/cache/FF/FF/FF/59/61/92/8-0.gif
[09:15:22] <domas>	hehe :)
[09:38:18] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52894 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryAllmessages.php: follow-up r52858: remove unused "global $wgMessageCache;"
[09:39:44] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52895 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/ (7 files in 3 dirs): basic ResourceType detection for it, pt
[10:30:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Vector could use more screen space - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19578 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (maxsem.wiki)
[10:49:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database update for l10n_cache fails on non-EN installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19447  (10tstarling)
[10:55:43] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[11:17:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "jump to" accessibility links jump to right place but with wrong names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  (10jidanni)
[11:22:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "jump to" accessibility links jump to right place but with wrong names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  +comment (10jidanni)
[11:24:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "jump to" accessibility links jump to right place but with wrong names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  (10jidanni)
[11:29:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "jump to" accessibility links jump to right place but with wrong names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  (10jidanni)
[11:34:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) multi-thousand byte 1x1 pixel images. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19579 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (jidanni)
[11:36:28] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) vector skin hooks not documented in hooks.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19522  +comment (10jidanni)
[11:41:48] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[11:42:04] <Nikerabbit>	hey simpson, it wasn't use who put the link there
[11:46:26] <domas>	lol
[11:47:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Vector skin missing CSS for when background images are not displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19538  +comment (10jidanni)
[11:48:46] <Nikerabbit>	us*
[11:50:24] <p858snake>	so b#19579 is referring to spacer image files or something else?
[11:52:18] <siebrand>	PHP Strict Standards:  Declaration of SkinStandard::getHeadScripts() should be compatible with that of Skin::getHeadScripts() in /var/www/w/includes/Skin.php on line 141
[11:54:50] <Splarka>	p858snake: probably jidanni wonders why http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/images/head-base.png?view=markup is 3569 bytes, and 1x1 transparent
[11:55:00] <Splarka>	when http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/images/foot-base.png?view=markup is the same, and 124 bytes
[11:55:34] <siebrand>	Splarka: or he just likes to have his name appear as often as possible in the #mediawiki log...
[11:55:47] <Splarka>	but without ever being here?
[11:56:02] <siebrand>	Splarka: do you want to see your own spam? :)
[11:56:17] <domas>	I somehow would prefer single image to be used as spacer in multiple locations
[11:56:25] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52896 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.class.php: 
[11:56:25] <CIA-58>	* Remove global declarations that weren't used by anything
[11:56:25] <CIA-58>	* Guard array access with isset() so the code doesn't spew errors under E_STRICT
[11:56:25] <CIA-58>	* Remove boilerplate accessors that weren't used
[11:56:27] <Splarka>	yeah
[11:56:30] <Splarka>	that's make sense
[11:56:33] <siebrand>	isn't that what we have skins/common/ for?
[11:56:35] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r52897 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/ComplexMessages.php: Fix E_NOTICE
[11:56:35] <Splarka>	and png sucks for that
[11:56:45] <Splarka>	you can get a 1x1 transparent .gif at 35 bytes
[11:56:49] <Splarka>	much smaller than a png can ever be
[11:57:13] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52898 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.hooks.php: * Minor changes to make the code not spew errors under E_STRICT
[11:57:22] <Splarka>	possibly though there are planned replacements for these images
[11:57:29] <Splarka>	maybe they're just placeholders for future designs
[11:57:54] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52864
[11:58:00] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52899 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.worldwind.php: * Remove global declarations that weren't used by anything
[11:59:17] <Splarka>	oop, 43 bytes to be transparent, 35 if not, heh
[12:00:21] <CIA-58>	03thomasv * r52900 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: minor fixes
[12:01:49] <p858snake>	why are we even still using spacer gif/png files?
[12:02:08] <Splarka>	p858snake: because it is 1997 apparently
[12:02:23] *Splarka 	still guesses they are background placeholders to be replaced later... maybe? maybe not
[12:02:59] <werdna>	They're not spacers I think
[12:04:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check for empty section before printing title, else visible in text browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19185  15enhancement->trivial; normal->lowest; +comment (10jidanni)
[12:06:03] <Splarka>	background-image: url(images/head-base.png); background-repeat: repeat-x;
[12:06:17] <Splarka>	same for foot base
[12:06:23] <Splarka>	so they do something, but it is transparent...
[12:06:44] <Splarka>	and that seems computationally wasteful to make the client repeat-x them for every pixel horizontally
[12:08:00] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[12:08:07] <Splarka>	hmm, there is already a transparent placeholder gif in /common/images/: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/images/Arr_.png?view=log
[12:08:19] <Splarka>	though it is 12x12 (for the little ajax nav arrows)
[12:10:29] <Splarka>	hmm, here is someone who reduced a .gif to 26 bytes for one color, 36 for transparent: http://cowburn.info/2009/03/15/tiny-little-gifs/
[12:11:29] <Splarka>	and you can, in theory, make it any dimensions up to 16 bit, and stay at 36 bytes
[12:11:56] <Splarka>	I bet that is the kind of thing that excites GreenReaper (except for the fact that using spacer images is totally retro and wastes requests)
[12:12:46] <Splarka>	domas: wanna upload this thing to /skins/common/images ?  http://cowburn.info/files/1px-trans.gif
[12:13:06] *Splarka 	grins smarmily
[12:18:20] <Splarka>	data:image/gif,GIF89a%01%00%01%00%00%00%00!%F9%04%01%00%00%00%00%2C%00%00%00%00%01%00%01%00%00%01%01%01%00%3B
[12:18:24] <thedj>	MrZ-man: ?
[12:18:47] <thedj>	MrZ-man: i thought this was broken on old IE ? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52886
[12:21:18] <Splarka>	thedj: it workes in IE5 (which is moot since IE5 totally breaks on most of wikibits.js anyway and would never be able to use it)
[12:21:22] <thedj>	MrZ-man: oh no, that was with <style> elements.
[12:22:26] <thedj>	MrZ-man: looking at our old Common.js discussions to make sure this will work.
[12:22:54] <Splarka>	thedj: see #mediawiki-scripts scrollback (I was trying to start a dialog! but he jumped the gun, heh, we love our Z man)
[12:22:58] <Nikerabbit>	is he talking alone?
[12:23:36] <Duesentrieb__>	man, downloading dump to amaranth is nice. 20M/sec :)
[12:24:02] <Nikerabbit>	slow
[12:25:00] <thedj>	Splarka: i like the new addPortletLink.
[12:25:52] <Splarka>	thedj: thoughts on futureproofing it?
[12:26:22] <Splarka>	could/should addMenuLink be a subfunction or superfunction, or possibly recursive? (dual fallback)
[12:27:01] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52901 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (25 files in 7 dirs): better template parameter matching for sensors
[12:27:35] <thedj>	Splarka: there is a tad too much dupe code there i guess.
[12:28:02] <Splarka>	yah, but no easy way to combine it, without twice the if()
[12:29:09] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52902 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/OpenLayers/: Directory for OpenLayers
[12:30:00] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52903 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/OpenLayers/config/ (. slippymap.cfg): Adding a copy of http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/rails_port/config/openlayers.cfg
[12:31:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Vector could use more screen space - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19578  +comment (10hartman)
[12:33:10] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52904 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/OpenLayers/config/slippymap.cfg: Added two OL classes our code is using. There's still a lot of stuff there we're *not* using however
[12:36:47] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52905 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.class.php: Oops, typo in previous commit which completely broke things: s/lat/lon/
[12:38:01] <avar>	Nikerabbit: How do I get the ISO code for the locale MediaWiki is curretly using? I'm going to pass it to OpenLayers so it can be localized too
[12:38:46] <Nikerabbit>	avar: $wgLang->getCode() ?
[12:38:53] <avar>	probably:)
[12:38:59] <Nikerabbit>	it's not strictly iso, but pretty close
[12:39:17] <Nikerabbit>	more like ietf language tags, but not exactly that either
[12:39:50] <avar>	OpenLayers only has like 10 translations (all of them ISO) so I guess we can deal with that when the time comes
[12:40:01] <avar>	they just look up the code in a hash and use english if it's not there
[12:40:03] <Nikerabbit>	avar: isn't open layers at translatewiki.net?
[12:40:08] <avar>	Yeah, it is
[12:40:30] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:OpenLayers
[12:40:42] <avar>	I know, I translated it to Icelandic there :)
[12:40:46] <Nikerabbit>	looks a lot more than 10 :)
[12:41:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database update for l10n_cache fails on non-EN installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19447  (10thomasV1)
[12:41:27] <Nikerabbit>	are they not committed?
[12:41:46] <avar>	I have no idea how translatewiki <-> OL SVN interaction works
[12:41:50] <avar>	s dunno:)
[12:42:20] <Nikerabbit>	roberthl: ?
[12:42:26] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52906 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/test/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed test cases, regressions
[12:42:51] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52907 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/analyzer/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed test cases, regressions
[12:43:22] <Nikerabbit>	avar: I started recently myself to contribute to osm too
[12:44:46] <avar>	Nikerabbit: nice:)
[12:46:37] <cybunk>	hello I try to install the FlaggedRevs extension in the last MediaWIKI core but when i run the script to install, the reply "This script must be run from the command line" on this pages :
[12:46:39] <cybunk>	maintenance/archives/populateSha1.php
[12:46:45] <cybunk>	maintenance/update.php
[12:46:53] <cybunk>	FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateAutoPromote.php
[12:47:43] <Duesentrieb>	cybunk: so... run it from the comand line.
[12:48:03] <Duesentrieb>	it can not be installed from the browser
[12:48:05] <Duesentrieb>	!shell
[12:48:05] --mwbot--	Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[12:48:07] <cybunk>	yes but i can't it's a mutualised server
[12:48:19] <Duesentrieb>	then you are out of luck.
[12:48:32] <Duesentrieb>	note that many shared hosting environments do give you shell acces
[12:49:03] <Duesentrieb>	if you want to do more than run a trivial web site, you'll have to have a decent hosting plan.
[12:49:18] <Duesentrieb>	"decent" being "more than 4 bugs a month".
[12:49:29] <cybunk>	thank you for teh advice I will find a ssh or change host
[12:50:33] <thedj>	anyone have Opera 8 ?
[12:51:12] <thedj>	it seems that you can't login to en.wp anymore with O8.
[12:52:20] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52909 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.hooks.php: Link to our new and shiny OL
[12:52:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make threads collapsible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19580 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[12:54:31] <Nikerabbit>	thedj: how comes, if it works with links
[12:54:56] <thedj>	i have no idea... My Opera 8 is saying jack about this...
[12:56:03] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52910 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.js: Instead of linking to boston.openguides to get a marker icon just use the default OL one
[12:58:31] <Splarka>	thedj: with/without js disabled? in other skins?
[13:00:01] <Splarka>	tried on secure?
[13:00:04] <thedj>	Splarka: got it. it's mw_suggest that is giving an error.
[13:00:44] *Splarka 	casts "Summon rainman-sr"
[13:01:15] <rainman-sr>	what's broken now? :)
[13:01:47] <thedj>	http://pastebin.ca/1488131
[13:01:48] <werdna>	your face
[13:01:50] <thedj>	that's the error.
[13:01:50] *werdna 	wins
[13:03:25] <Splarka>	afaiks: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/mwsuggest.js?r1=44162&r2=50210  that is what changed in the scap 2 weeks ago
[13:03:34] <Splarka>	er, afaics, I guess
[13:04:05] <Splarka>	though easier to blame jquery
[13:04:47] <rainman-sr>	yeah, i didn't really test it in opera8, although it did work in other major browsers i thinks
[13:04:54] <Splarka>	thedj: save a copy of Special:Userlogin to a local file, add a <base href="http://en.wikipedia.org" />, and remove <script> until it doesn't break?
[13:05:12] <Splarka>	I am thinking removing mwsuggest, but also then try removing central notice, the jquery, etc
[13:09:34] <thedj>	Splarka: doesn't work well with O 8.
[13:10:03] <Splarka>	what does it do? start shooting sparks from your disk drives?
[13:10:12] *Splarka 	giggles
[13:10:56] <rainman-sr>	thedj, can you test it locally with mwsuggest stuffs off?
[13:11:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Calling <slippymap> in a way that it doesn't expect will result in invalid JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19581 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[13:11:48] <thedj>	rainman-sr: yeah i'm trying, but Opera8 doesn't like editing or storing.
[13:11:54] <thedj>	that's more a O9 feature :D
[13:14:09] <Splarka>	thedj: even with file:// ?
[13:14:18] <thedj>	Splarka: yup.
[13:14:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Old style <slippymap>x=y</slippymap> parameters should be optional and turned on with a config option, <slippymap x=y/> is the default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19582 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[13:17:13] <Splarka>	heh: http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/base/results
[13:17:56] <Splarka>	Opera has supported <base> at least since 3.62, probably from the very beginning
[13:19:10] <thedj>	Splarka: i guess it's being stupid then for me.
[13:19:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Shrink the SlippyMap Openlayers to include just the portions we need - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19583 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[13:19:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Old style <slippymap>x=y</slippymap> parameters should be optional and turned on with a config option, <slippymap x=y/> is the default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19582  (10N/A)
[13:21:00] <thedj>	wait a minute...
[13:21:02] *thedj 	has idea
[13:22:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use Antarctic Polar Stereographic for southern/polar latitudes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19584 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[13:23:37] <thedj>	Splarka: confirmed. it's jQuery.
[13:25:29] <Splarka>	>_<
[13:26:07] <Nikerabbit>	avar: did your recent changes fix the warnings in slippymap?
[13:26:11] <thedj>	i'll open a bugreport
[13:26:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make SlippyMap OpenLayers locale equivalent to the wiki locale - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19585 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[13:27:02] <avar>	Nikerabbit: The warnings under E_STRICT? Yes
[13:27:15] <JackieJac>	Is there a way to put an explanation on a templates page that is only visible when on the templates page?
[13:27:20] <Nikerabbit>	avar: uh, now it is broken?
[13:27:55] <avar>	It'll generate invalid JS in some cases though, I need to fix the param parsing (see teh bugs)
[13:27:56] <Nikerabbit>	avar: slippymap extensions is enabled but <slippymap> is not registered
[13:28:20] <avar>	Nikerabbit: require 'extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.php';
[13:28:23] <avar>	works for me.. 
[13:28:32] <Nikerabbit>	include_once( "$IP/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.php"); # Added by Raymond 2008-11-13
[13:28:37] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Version
[13:28:43] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User:Nike
[13:29:00] <avar>	Ah yes, it's only added if the wikitext contains the string "slippymap"
[13:29:15] <avar>	It's some evil hack to avoid adding OL to every page, and probably something that's ultimately broken
[13:29:16] <Nikerabbit>	what is added?
[13:29:36] <Nikerabbit>	It displays "<slippymap h=400 w=600 z=10 lat=60.27609154803423 lon=25.02753660578319 layer=mapnik marker=1 />" verbatim
[13:29:38] <Raymond_>	avar: is the syntax in http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User:Raymond&action=edit wrong?
[13:29:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) jQuery is breaking mwsuggest preventing users of Opera 8 to log into en.wp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19586 critical; Normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (hartman)
[13:30:05] <avar>	Nikerabbit: It does if ( isset( $wgArticle ) && strstr($wgArticle->getRawText(), SlippyMapHooks::$WIKITEXT_PATTERN ) ) { /* set all the hooks & stuff */ }
[13:30:07] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: try my userpage. it shows an empty frame but not the verbatim code
[13:30:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Save Button grey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19577  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:31:07] <avar>	Nikerabbit: Did you svn up to HEAD? That page says "OpenLayers is not defined" hrm
[13:31:28] <Nikerabbit>	not for me
[13:31:29] <avar>	yeah it's including this: <script type='text/javascript' src='/w/extensions/SlippyMap/openlayers/lib/OpenLayers.js?229bw-3'></script>
[13:31:38] <Nikerabbit>	not it displays something from russian
[13:31:40] <Nikerabbit>	now*
[13:31:59] <avar>	that file never existed in SVN, but it's at /extensions/SlippyMap/OpenLayers/public/OpenLayers.js now
[13:32:46] <Nikerabbit>	still broken
[13:33:06] <Nikerabbit>	action=purge doesn't regenerate it
[13:33:19] <Nikerabbit>	doesn't like my user page for some reason
[13:33:19] <avar>	no it works now for me: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User:Raymond&action=purge
[13:33:24] <p858snake>	JackieJac: using the noinculde tags
[13:33:46] <Nikerabbit>	avar: wrong zoom and no pen pointing the location?
[13:34:14] <avar>	It's correctly zoomed on Köln and when I click on it it shows a slippymap
[13:34:36] <avar>	This is the image it links to : http://tile.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/export?bbox=6.82737694076,50.8798630884,7.07262305924,51.0000592334&scale=216672.008166&format=png
[13:35:24] <Nikerabbit>	ok
[13:35:30] <Nikerabbit>	still no pointer
[13:35:36] <Nikerabbit>	and not working for my user page
[13:36:00] <avar>	what browser are you viewing this in?
[13:36:08] <Nikerabbit>	firefox
[13:36:18] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Nike?action=purge
[13:38:16] <avar>	when I clear everything out from your page execpt the slippymap call it works, so it would appear this magic getArticleText hack isn't working so well
[13:39:00] <avar>	Can you do:
[13:39:00] <avar>	$wgDebugLogGroups = array(
[13:39:00] <avar>	    'slippymap' => $IP . '/logs/slippymap.log'
[13:39:00] <avar>	);
[13:39:20] <Nikerabbit>	can't it just use normal wfDebug?
[13:39:52] <avar>	and apply something like this: http://nopaste.snit.ch/17148
[13:40:04] <avar>	oh sure, live hack it however you want to:)
[13:40:30] <avar>	hrm, doesn't getRawText get stuff without templates expanded
[13:40:32] <Nikerabbit>	would help if everything was not so slow
[13:40:44] <avar>	What stuff is slow?
[13:41:21] <werdna>	avar: getRawText bypasses read restrictions
[13:41:22] <Nikerabbit>	my test wiki
[13:41:26] <Nikerabbit>	MessageCache::loadFromDB(de) Nike
[13:41:32] <Nikerabbit>	it has to be the babel thing
[13:41:54] <Nikerabbit>	loading one set of messages takes 30s, and when there is six languages...
[13:42:02] <avar>	werdna: In this case it's only used internally so it doesn't matter for *that*. But it's still a horrid hack though
[13:42:39] <avar>	What it should be doing is adding the hook / a tiny bit of JS that can delay-load OL to every page. But that's on the TODO
[13:43:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) secure.wikimedia.org speed and status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19587 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Usage Statistics; (William.Allen.Simpson)
[13:43:24] <JackieJac>	I have an #if parser function that in one of the clauses has a <nowiki>bla</nowiki> section, but it is just parsed as text.
[13:43:46] <JackieJac>	So the nowiki still receives wiki treatment
[13:44:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Centering image next to a floating table doesn't displays right in IE and Webkit browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17277  +comment (10hartman)
[13:47:08] <Nikerabbit>	avar: it's in there
[13:47:23] <^demon>	Morning all
[13:47:59] <Nikerabbit>	avar: Note: If you only want to determine if a particular needle  occurs within haystack , use the faster and less memory intensive function strpos() instead. 
[13:49:00] <avar>	What I actually want to do is get rid of this horrid hack and not bikeshed the in_str() function :)
[13:49:35] <Nikerabbit>	string(95) "slippymap h=400 w=600 z=10 lat=60.27609154803423 lon=25.02753660578319 layer=mapnik marker=1 />"
[13:51:36] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r52911 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[13:51:57] <Nikerabbit>	avar: the if is actually true
[13:52:02] <Nikerabbit>	but it does not work
[13:52:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) secure.wikimedia.org Proxy Errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19588 major; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (William.Allen.Simpson)
[13:52:49] <Nikerabbit>	avar: maybe you should set the hook always, and js only with the check?
[13:59:20] <Nikerabbit>	avar: maybe related to tim's parser cache, if I change anything, it works, but that text just does not work
[14:01:18] <avar>	Yeah I'm noticing the same thing
[14:02:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Flood flag option on cs.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19589 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (dusan.koudela)
[14:02:27] <avar>	But I still get the same thing if I save the text under a new page (locally)
[14:02:54] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: are you reading? parser cache seems to be stuck, with no way to bypass it excepting changing the page text (does not seem to work even with copying the text to an another page)
[14:03:07] <Nikerabbit>	avar: same thing as I?
[14:03:13] <Nikerabbit>	or same thing as the another page?
[14:04:41] <avar>	Nikerabbit: hrm, did you just remove the extension?
[14:05:08] <Nikerabbit>	avar: no
[14:05:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flood flag option on cs.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19589  (10p858snake)
[14:05:56] <avar>	Nikerabbit: I'm now getting "
[14:05:59] <avar>	Invalid tag extension name: slippymap"
[14:06:02] <avar>	on translatewiki
[14:06:35] <Nikerabbit>	avar: I didn't touch it
[14:06:55] <avar>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:%C3%86var_Arnfj%C3%B6r%C3%B0_Bjarmason/blahtest
[14:07:12] <Nikerabbit>	shit
[14:07:16] <Nikerabbit>	avar: guess what it is showing for me
[14:07:19] <Nikerabbit>	MY USER PAGE
[14:07:28] <Nikerabbit>	avar: oh, that was your intention!
[14:07:34] <avar>	yes because I copy/pasted the wiki text:)
[14:07:35] <Nikerabbit>	avar: I see a map
[14:08:02] <avar>	oh yeah, works on action=purge no
[14:08:06] <avar>	quantum parsercache!
[14:09:02] <Nikerabbit>	I'm lost
[14:09:06] <Nikerabbit>	I do not know what is going on
[14:11:48] <CIA-58>	03jan * r52912 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Release 1.1: more security and bugfixes
[14:18:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) dberrortext always says MySQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19590 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (innocentkiller)
[14:19:34] *domas 	giggles at 19590
[14:19:38] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: that's not i18n
[14:19:45] <domas>	$5 ;-)))
[14:20:49] <Nikerabbit>	I always wonder about those bug reports which tell what we should do, not what the problem is
[14:22:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) dberrortext always says MySQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19590  (10N/A)
[14:22:04] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: i said what the problem is and suggested a route to fix. and it's more i18n than anything else.
[14:22:21] <Nikerabbit>	I disagree :)
[14:22:49] <Nikerabbit>	it has nothing to making it possible to make the text understandable for everyone, it is about the text :)
[14:22:57] <Splarka>	well, adding parameters to messages causes annoyances in i18n >_<
[14:22:58] <^demon>	it's not an issue with the database. :p
[14:23:11] <Nikerabbit>	it is an issue with the database code
[14:23:30] <Splarka>	is it better to keep translations in /messages/ that don't reference the new parameters, or to delete them and start over so that people /see/ all the parameters even if in the wrong language?
[14:23:57] <Splarka>	and for tens of thousands of individual wikis, that might have localised them erm.. locally... you can't even make the choice for them
[14:24:03] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: that's a decision for every change
[14:24:10] <^demon>	how? dberrortext sucks, not the db code (which it may, but that's not what we're discussing here :p)
[14:24:13] <Nikerabbit>	in this case, we can use existing translations
[14:24:44] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: and the only overall solution is to rename the message... in the case of where the parameter is important enough that local translations on individual wikis must be overridden, eh?
[14:25:11] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: I don't care local overrides when we don't have proper system for them
[14:25:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions should be a link, not a button (JavaScript) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[14:25:14] <Splarka>	^demon: "user interface"?
[14:25:51] <^demon>	it's not so life threatening to add a $5 for the human-readable name of your database, rather than hardcoding mysql
[14:25:52] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: look at this way, it is for someone with knowledge of the database code (adding a param or whatever) to fix, not for us i18n guys
[14:26:02] <^demon>	Splarka: good point :p
[14:26:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions and show/hide should be links, not buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  summary; +comment (10FT2.wiki)
[14:27:09] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: and if you still want to assign it to us, I will put it on a low priority :)
[14:30:10] *^demon 	kicks wikibugs
[14:30:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Two default wordings need changing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19592 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (FT2.wiki)
[14:31:10] <Nikerabbit>	jesus
[14:32:14] <^demon>	wikibugs skipped 19591 :\
[14:32:33] <^demon>	easy commit w/ patch is someone is feeling so kind.
[14:32:39] <^demon>	*if
[14:36:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Two default wording of some revision deletion messages needs changing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19592  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:43:51] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[14:43:56] <Nikerabbit>	I thought it was The
[14:46:41] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52913 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.php: 
[14:46:41] <CIA-58>	Updated the parser hook description
[14:46:41] <CIA-58>	* Now links no mediawiki.org not the wiki.openstreetmap.org page
[14:46:41] <CIA-58>	* Indicates that it doesn't /just/ embed OSM
[14:47:49] <Splarka>	why not {{plural}} >_<
[14:49:54] *Duesentrieb 	wonders if there are languages that use 0 with the signular form
[14:51:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions, show/hide, and visual/html diff should be links, not buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  summary; +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[14:51:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	damn, there /is/ a patch on that :)
[14:52:13] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: did you ever look at Matthew's patch? I recall you tore mine apart (as was proper), but I don't remember if his ever got reviewed by anyone
[14:52:44] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: because it is just some unknown amount
[14:53:36] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: was being sarcastic/smarmy/snerky, sorta
[14:53:48] <Splarka>	mike: did I?
[14:54:08] <Splarka>	oh, i did, didnti
[14:54:38] <Mike_lifeguard>	I didn't notice his patch till after that comment :\
[14:54:58] <Splarka>	someone should try his patch, heh
[14:55:03] <Splarka>	with visual diffs, that is
[14:55:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (sergey.chernyshev)
[14:57:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593  +comment (10sergey.chernyshev)
[14:57:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting $smwgNamespace automatically breaks on command-line scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19077  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[14:58:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'll check if my local installation still works...
[14:58:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting $smwgNamespace automatically breaks on command-line scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19077  +comment (10sergey.chernyshev)
[15:07:36] <yangebul>	Hi all.
[15:07:47] <Nikerabbit>	hi
[15:07:52] <yangebul>	I'm trying to enable odt uploads on my mediawiki install. I followed the advices here : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/mediawiki/127833
[15:08:11] <yangebul>	So in my conf, $wgEnableUploads is set to true, $wgFileBlacklist does not contain odt or xml (odt is in $wgFileExtensions). But it doesn't work.
[15:08:30] <yangebul>	If i disable $wgVerifyMimeType it works, but I'd really like to have it enabled. Is there a way to achieve this ?
[15:09:44] <Nikerabbit>	yangebul: no, odt files are zip files and thus as dangerous as allowing uploading zip files
[15:12:03] <yangebul>	:/
[15:12:28] <yangebul>	Is it that risky ? What can happen if someone uploads a .zip ?
[15:12:31] <Splarka>	otd zip bomb? heh
[15:12:35] <Splarka>	er odt
[15:13:14] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_bomb
[15:13:28] <yangebul>	Thank you.
[15:13:40] <Splarka>	> One example of a Zip bomb was the file "42.zip" which was 42 kilobytes of compressed data, containing six layers of nested zip files in sets of 16, each bottom layer archive containing a 4.2 gigabyte file for a total of 4.5 petabytes of uncompressed data.
[15:14:10] <Splarka>	(woe to the antivirus software that automatically unzips that)
[15:15:38] <McLoaf>	Splarka: 4.5 _petabytes_?!
[15:16:38] <Splarka>	si
[15:16:57] <Splarka>	4500 terabytes
[15:17:07] <Splarka>	0.0045 exabytes
[15:18:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	do we recommend using mysql binary or utf-8?
[15:18:47] <Nikerabbit>	Mike_lifeguard: binary
[15:18:54] <Nikerabbit>	mysql doesn't support utf-8 properly
[15:19:01] <Mike_lifeguard>	thanks
[15:19:04] <Nikerabbit>	(in most cases it doesn't matter)
[15:19:05] <yangebul>	So I really don't know what I can do. I can't allow this uplaod nor can I tell my users to upload anything else (pdf is not editable, others aren't suitable for us). I'm stuck... :/
[15:19:14] *Mike_lifeguard 	clicks "Install MediaWiki!"
[15:19:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	yay, I messed up somewhere :)
[15:21:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Move setBigSelects() to DatabaseMysql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19591  (10innocentkiller)
[15:21:14] <CIA-58>	03aude * r52914 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.class.php: cleanup mapcode html, add comments
[15:21:37] <GreenReaper>	We're trying to implement AbuseFilter but we're running into a problem, it seems to require equivset.php for certain filter expressions. equivset.php is not included with AbuseFilter.
[15:21:56] <GreenReaper>	Where can it be obtained, and would it make sense to add it to the extension directory?
[15:22:06] <Nikerabbit>	ask werdna :o
[15:22:14] *GreenReaper 	prods werdna with a carrot.
[15:22:35] <GreenReaper>	We ran into this with action=="move" & lcase(norm(moved_to_prefixedtext)) contains_any(???,????????,?????)
[15:24:15] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: that's a part of AntiSpoof IIRC
[15:24:27] <GreenReaper>	I don't get it when I SVN update.
[15:24:33] <siebrand>	GreenReaper: /var/www/mewiki/extensions/AntiSpoof/equivset.php
[15:24:50] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/AntiSpoof/
[15:25:05] <GreenReaper>	Which is why it's so confusing.
[15:25:29] *Splarka 	pokles werdna
[15:25:46] <siebrand>	not really nice to not note the dep. anywhere, though.
[15:25:46] <Nikerabbit>	pokle?
[15:25:47] <Splarka>	huh, no contentless ping
[15:26:01] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: as in <ping /> ?
[15:26:04] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52915 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: storeAbout
[15:26:07] *siebrand 	grins.
[15:26:09] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: <ping />
[15:26:23] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: his listener used to say "you have sent me a contentless ping, this is a contentless reply, and you suck" or something
[15:26:26] <GreenReaper>	Oh, wait, that's AntiSpoof. Yes.
[15:26:31] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52916 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/wikis/WikiConfiguration_eswiki.java: commons templates in eswiki
[15:26:37] <GreenReaper>	AntiSpoof != AbuseFilter. <g>
[15:26:47] <Splarka>	indeed, it doesn't
[15:26:52] <Splarka>	except maybe in PHP, ==
[15:26:58] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52917 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder4LifeScience/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/lifescience/wikis/WikiConfiguration_enwiki.java: fixed life science property extraction
[15:27:24] <Nikerabbit>	not even in PHP
[15:28:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) m.wikipedia.org is not validati - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19594 normal; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (jddcef)
[15:29:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) m.wikipedia.org is not validating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19594  summary (10jddcef)
[15:37:00] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52918 10/trunk/extensions/examples/Content_action.php: Fixed a 4 year old typo that jidanni pointed out
[15:46:40] <thedj>	lol, no one figured it would be smart to run the validator before launching en.m.wp ?
[15:47:25] <Splarka>	boring!
[15:47:55] <Splarka>	validators just whine anyway... "omg, two objects with identical id attributes, shut down your site and duck behind a desk!"
[15:52:46] <werdna>	wazzap
[15:53:39] <Splarka>	werd: green blue due to abuse filter falter at equivset dependency
[15:59:15] <srz>	I'm having trouble running the python wikibot on my wiki
[15:59:18] <srz>	Password for user pybot on sciwi:en: 
[15:59:18] <srz>	Logging in to sciwi:en as pybot
[15:59:18] <srz>	Login failed. Wrong password or CAPTCHA answer?
[15:59:53] <srz>	I have done as on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pywikipedia_bot_on_non-Wikimedia_projects
[16:01:48] <AlexSm>	I wonder who removed MediaWiki:alllogstext, MediaWiki:blocklogtext etc. from Special:Log pages 
[16:01:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Move setBigSelects() to DatabaseMysql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19591 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (innocentkiller)
[16:03:39] <srz>	if I run login.py -v it doesn't really give me any more helpful information
[16:04:09] <Nikerabbit>	srz: this isn't a good place for python bot support
[16:04:13] <Annemarie>	You want #pywikipediabot
[16:04:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	yay, HEAD is broken :D
[16:04:30] <Nikerabbit>	Mike_lifeguard: how?
[16:04:32] <srz>	ah, I see
[16:04:37] <Mike_lifeguard>	can't save pages
[16:04:49] <Nikerabbit>	wfm
[16:04:50] <Splarka>	that's a feature, saves resources
[16:04:52] <Annemarie>	Is this more log_user_text drama?
[16:04:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	yeah, I think so
[16:05:14] <Annemarie>	Nikerabbit: Is log_user_text supposed to be in tables.sql?
[16:05:20] <erincart>	I'm relatively certain this is not a good place to ask my question, but would anyone mind pointing me in the right direction if I do ask?
[16:05:23] <Annemarie>	'cause I don't think it is.
[16:05:27] <Nikerabbit>	Annemarie: I don't know
[16:05:43] <Nikerabbit>	erincart: just ask
[16:05:52] <Annemarie>	Why would a page save be touching the logging table. That's the real question.
[16:05:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	nobody knows
[16:06:03] *Mike_lifeguard 	makes spooky ufo sounds
[16:06:08] <Nikerabbit>	like I said, works for me :o
[16:06:23] <Annemarie>	You probably have log_user_text. :O
[16:06:27] <Nikerabbit>	just "doesn't work" isn't very helpful
[16:07:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	I didn't notice anybody but you use those words.
[16:07:11] *Mike_lifeguard 	/grep doesn't work
[16:07:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgAutoLoadMaps = true is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19595 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[16:07:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	nope, just you
[16:07:29] <Nikerabbit>	| log_user_text | varchar(255)        | NO   |     |                |                |
[16:07:42] <Nikerabbit>	and we have been running since 1.10 or what
[16:07:51] <Nikerabbit>	is this is a new install?
[16:08:09] <Mike_lifeguard>	mine is, yes
[16:08:48] <Nikerabbit>	as in this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19570
[16:09:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	yep
[16:10:08] <Nikerabbit>	ialex changed something in r52000
[16:10:27] <Nikerabbit>	it was added to updares by aaron in r51997
[16:11:00] <Nikerabbit>	updaters
[16:11:56] <erincart>	A user in my computer lab unknowingly uploaded a sensitive file to our students' wiki, http://wiki.med.unc.edu.  The student who maintains it is away for break.  Is there any kind of universal flag for deletion that you think would work on their wiki?
[16:12:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	erincart: no, nothing universal
[16:12:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	most wikis implement a {{delete|reason}} template which categorizes the page so sysops can find them and delete them if appropriate
[16:12:51] <Mike_lifeguard>	however that's not built-in
[16:12:54] <GreenReaper>	https://wiki.med.unc.edu/mediawiki/index.php/Special:Listusers should be able to give you an idea of what people to contact.
[16:14:00] <erincart>	Awesome!  Someone in my department is a Sysop.  Oh, you're the best!
[16:14:11] <GreenReaper>	Cool.
[16:14:30] <erincart>	Thank you very, very much.
[16:15:33] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52919 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.class.php: Convert 8 spaces in r52914 to \t
[16:18:56] <Nikerabbit>	avar: just run stylize.php once and for all? :o
[16:19:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	if you checkout trunk, then you have an empty /extensions dir. If you try to checkout extensions into /extensions, svn complains that that dir already belongs to a different URL (ie trunk). Is there a way to force it to ignore /extensions for the trunk URL and instead use the extensions URL?
[16:20:00] <Nikerabbit>	Mike_lifeguard: rm extensions/ and then checkout
[16:20:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	k, thanks
[16:20:20] <Nikerabbit>	it will then automatically update those too
[16:21:07] <Mike_lifeguard>	hm, exciting
[16:21:10] <CIA-58>	03aude * r52920 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.class.php: fix php errors
[16:21:29] <avar>	Nikerabbit: C-x h M-x indent-region RET !
[16:21:34] <Mike_lifeguard>	if I nuke the extensions dirs for the ones I don't use, will it just ignore those in the future, or re-add them when svn up-ing?
[16:21:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Headers are missing on Special:Log pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19596 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (AlexSm)
[16:22:33] <Nikerabbit>	re-add
[16:22:33] <avar>	One thing I find annoying about the MW coding style is using global $x, $y, $z instead of global $x;\nglobal $y;\nglobal $z;. Makes annotate less useful
[16:22:53] <avar>	just like doing char x = 5, y = 6; in C 
[16:22:56] <Nikerabbit>	avar: we should just get rid of the globals
[16:23:16] <werdna>	I would prefer that globals didn't have to be declared, and that locals did instead
[16:23:50] <Nikerabbit>	use javascript then
[16:24:17] <Nikerabbit>	but I don't think that is a good idea
[16:24:25] <TC-jmhobbs>	In an extension, what is the best way to sanitize user input?
[16:24:51] <werdna>	sanitize for what?
[16:24:52] <avar>	werdna: as long as you had to explicitly declare globals and there was such a thing as a file scope as in every sane language :)
[16:25:19] <TC-jmhobbs>	I've tried Sanitizer::removeHTMLtags but it doesn't clean up stuff like forms, just escapes them into text instead of elements.
[16:25:32] <TC-jmhobbs>	Am I missing a class?
[16:25:39] <werdna>	"sanitize" has no meaning unless you specify what you want to sanitize.
[16:25:44] <werdna>	What are you trying to do?
[16:25:52] <werdna>	What do you want the input to be safe for?
[16:25:57] <TC-jmhobbs>	Scrape out nasty HTML tags, like <script>
[16:26:10] <Nikerabbit>	no
[16:26:15] <Nikerabbit>	what are you trying to do
[16:26:16] <TC-jmhobbs>	Like when you edit a page, it cleans out the gunk
[16:26:39] <werdna>	I don't think I really understand, can you be more general about what you're trying to accomplish?
[16:26:44] <Nikerabbit>	in wikitext it usually just escapes everything it doesn't like
[16:26:49] <werdna>	Rather than what step you think will help you accomplish it?
[16:27:29] <Nikerabbit>	sometimes support is like detective work :)
[16:27:56] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Temp group for arbcom of fiwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19561  (10fvassard)
[16:28:08] <TC-jmhobbs>	Ok, I have an input box where users input "reviews".  These are tacked onto the page with the hook "BeforePageDisplay".  I just want them to be able to use wiki text but not bad HTML.  I'd prefer that the bad HTML just disappear instead of get escaped.
[16:28:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Temp group for arbcom of fiwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19561  (10fvassard)
[16:29:23] <TC-jmhobbs>	Does that exist or do I just live with escaped HTML?
[16:33:18] <Subfader>	why do they input html?
[16:33:40] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52921 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/CentralNotice.db.php: 
[16:33:40] <CIA-58>	* spaces -> tabs for identation
[16:33:40] <CIA-58>	* removed trailing whitespaces
[16:33:51] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52922 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/ (SlippyMap.hooks.php SlippyMap.js): (log message trimmed)
[16:33:51] <CIA-58>	Pass $wgLang->getCode() to OpenLayers.Lang.setCode()
[16:33:51] <CIA-58>	Hopefully we'll always have a 1-1 mapping between MediaWiki language
[16:33:51] <CIA-58>	codes and the OpenLayers ones, they're using RFC 3066 to pick names
[16:33:53] <CIA-58>	for their codes:
[16:33:55] <CIA-58>	It's also fine to pass our language code to OpenLayers without any
[16:33:57] <CIA-58>	checking as to whether OL actually supports it, it'll fall back on
[16:34:05] <TC-jmhobbs>	It's just a textarea, they can type in whatever they want.  Hopefully no one will :-)
[16:34:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make SlippyMap OpenLayers locale equivalent to the wiki locale - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19585  (10avarab)
[16:35:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Temp group for arbcom of fiwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19561  +comment (10fvassard)
[16:35:22] <avar>	why did the bot show "(mod)" when I just marked it as fixed?
[16:36:12] <TC-jmhobbs>	I think I'll just let the parser escape it. Thx anyways.
[16:36:17] <ialex>	avar: sometimes it doesn't work correctly
[16:36:22] <ialex>	avar: dunno why
[16:37:27] <Nikerabbit>	avar: if it is localised on twn, they probably use same codes :)
[16:37:36] <avar>	Nikerabbit: ah:)
[16:38:10] <Nikerabbit>	avar: except there is few code mappings set
[16:38:19] <avar>	It might be nice if I set up a script to allow our stable version of OL to use fresh translations from translatewiki
[16:38:26] <Nikerabbit>	for legacy I guess
[16:38:38] <avar>	How do you go about exporting the JS that gets commited into OL svn from translatewiki?
[16:38:38] <Nikerabbit>	avar: see extensions/Translate/groups/OpenLayers.php
[16:38:53] <Nikerabbit>	avar: you have to ask roberthl, ircc
[16:39:26] <Nikerabbit>	avar: or were you asking how to do the export?
[16:40:00] <avar>	Just how to export, so that we could build a version of OL with new translations without waiting for an OL release
[16:40:35] <Nikerabbit>	it's very simple
[16:40:42] <Nikerabbit>	but you have to make sure they are compatible
[16:40:46] <TimStarling>	<Nikerabbit> TimStarling: are you reading? parser cache seems to be stuck, with no way to bypass it excepting changing the page text (does not seem to work even with copying the text to an another page)
[16:41:02] <TimStarling>	have you got a test procedure for that?
[16:41:21] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: not really, I'm now totally lost what is/was happening there
[16:41:44] <Nikerabbit>	avar: did you figure out anything about thta?
[16:42:07] <avar>	No, no idea:)
[16:42:23] <Nikerabbit>	yeah, that doesn't really help :/
[16:43:16] <TimStarling>	I tested Article::view() basically line by line but I didn't really test ParserCache, except for the new features I added
[16:43:40] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: on another topic, can we just move existing $aliases definitions from aliases files to the i18n files?
[16:43:49] <TimStarling>	yes
[16:43:53] <Nikerabbit>	or do they too need to be merged with english fallbacks?
[16:44:30] <TimStarling>	it's the same, if there's any merging needed then it's a bug
[16:45:13] <TimStarling>	i.e. in the new code $aliases in the alias files does exactly the same thing as $specialPageAliases in the i18n file
[16:45:20] <TimStarling>	if one is broken then they both will be
[16:46:32] <Nikerabbit>	uh, so which variables are merged by the code and which are not?
[16:46:52] <ialex>	hmm, $specialPageAliases is merged
[16:46:55] <Nikerabbit>	it it the same as in core?
[16:47:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	How does one "run" whatever.sql?
[16:48:00] <werdna>	php maintenance/sql.php /path/to/sql/file./sql
[16:48:11] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[16:48:20] <Mike_lifeguard>	thanks
[16:48:33] <Nikerabbit>	This would be easier if ConfEditor supported editing i18n files :o
[16:48:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	Anyone know why syntax highlighting doesn't have pre styling any more?
[16:48:50] <TimStarling>	yes it's merged
[16:49:01] <Nikerabbit>	Mike_lifeguard: yes
[16:49:06] <TimStarling>	for a list of merged variabes look at the static variables in LocalisationCache.php
[16:49:24] <TimStarling>	it's just copied from the old list that was in Language.php, with a few changes
[16:49:36] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: ok, so it is the same as in core, magic words not, special pages yes and so on
[16:50:04] <TimStarling>	the big difference with the new code is that extension files have their own fallback sequence
[16:50:14] <Nikerabbit>	Mike_lifeguard: the styles were breaking some highlights
[16:50:18] <TimStarling>	I need a whiteboard to explain this I think
[16:50:38] <TimStarling>	say if your language was fr
[16:50:54] <TimStarling>	then it used to go ext fr -> core fr -> core en
[16:51:06] <TimStarling>	and now it goes ext fr -> ext en -> core fr -> core en
[16:51:36] <TimStarling>	so it's no longer necessary to simulate fallbacks in i18n files using things like $messages['en-gn'] = $messages['en']
[16:51:57] <Nikerabbit>	I thought the requirement for those was removed earlier already
[16:52:34] <Splarka>	Mike_lifeguard: long story, I filed a bug on it long ago in anticipation
[16:52:42] <TimStarling>	yeah, I'm simplifying
[16:52:50] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: would it make sense to use ConfEditor to handle i18n files safely, and would it be hard to extend it to support editing i18n files?
[16:53:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SlippyMap.js contains untranslatable strings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19597 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[16:53:20] <TimStarling>	with messages, there was an explicit fallback from ext user lang to ext en
[16:53:31] <TimStarling>	but not from ext user lang to the fallback of the user lang if it wasn't en
[16:53:39] <TimStarling>	e.g. ab -> ru
[16:54:11] <TimStarling>	so before it would have been ext ab -> ext en -> core ab -> core ru -> core en
[16:54:40] <TimStarling>	anyway, it's all nice and consistent and simple now
[16:54:52] <Nikerabbit>	good
[16:58:11] <werdna>	Hmm, I need to figure out a good workflow for merging threads in LQT
[16:58:23] <werdna>	splitting is easy, "Move to new thread" in the actions menu
[16:59:19] <werdna>	merging I'd add "Merge" to the actions at the top of each thread, but I need a good way to select the thread to merge into
[16:59:31] <Annemarie>	And un-merge?
[16:59:42] <Annemarie>	Well, I suppose that's splitting.
[16:59:48] <werdna>	right.
[16:59:56] <werdna>	I've added split, I need to add un-split :)
[17:00:06] <Annemarie>	Will LQT support rollback? ;-)
[17:00:13] <werdna>	what do you mean?
[17:00:20] <avar>	werdna: un-un-un-split
[17:00:28] <Annemarie>	If some vandal goes around and merges a bunch of threads.
[17:00:36] <Annemarie>	Will it be easy enough to undo?
[17:00:53] <werdna>	bah, my finger started bleeding and now my keyboard is bloody
[17:01:22] <flyingparchment>	i hate it when my finger randomly starts bleeding for no reason
[17:01:26] <flyingparchment>	maybe you have finger cancer
[17:01:38] <Nikerabbit>	finger??
[17:01:47] <Nikerabbit>	I've heard of nose, but finger
[17:01:48] <Annemarie>	http://enwp.org/Finger
[17:07:52] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52923 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Preferences.php: Fix missing global declaration
[17:08:42] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52924 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (33 files in 2 dirs): Agressive optimization of images, as well as merging of images which are identical.
[17:09:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) multi-thousand byte 1x1 pixel images. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19579  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[17:09:56] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52925 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Standard.php: fix for r52864: PHP Strict Standards: Declaration of SkinStandard::getHeadScripts() should be compatible with that of Skin::getHeadScripts() in includes/Skin.php on line 141
[17:11:52] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52926 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (7 files in 2 dirs): UsabilityInitiative: Merge all jQuery JS files into one. Kept the old files around to make regeneration of jquery.combined.js easier, but only that file is actually served.
[17:12:34] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Vector/Usability fixes ----^^
[17:12:54] <domas>	\o/
[17:13:04] <domas>	did you fix images too?!!? :)
[17:13:29] <chuck>	when is the fix to remove bullets from TOC's going to get deployed? :P that's bugging me
[17:13:36] <kim>	helo!
[17:13:41] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Read up a few lines to trevor's rev
[17:13:44] <Nikerabbit>	hi kim kim kim
[17:13:50] <kim>	Hi Nike Nike Nike
[17:13:54] <kim>	what's up?
[17:13:56] <RoanKattouw>	Afternoon kim
[17:14:04] <Nikerabbit>	kim: code
[17:14:05] <kim>	Heya RoanKattouw , are you in sf today, I heard?
[17:14:11] <kim>	Nikerabbit, code ftw? :-)
[17:14:12] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, all week
[17:14:29] <kim>	well, at least you don't have to stay up 'till 2 this week then? ;-)
[17:14:31] *kim 	ducks
[17:14:33] <domas>	roankattouw: ah, missed that one, looked just up to ialex ;-)
[17:14:38] *kim 	has been hearing stories ;-)
[17:14:48] *kim 	waves to chuck too
[17:16:27] <roberthl>	Nikerabbit: Commited, I'm waiting for our contact to merge to trunk.
[17:16:38] <chuck>	hi kim 
[17:22:12] <Nikerabbit>	roberthl: yeah, maybe you and avar could exchange some details
[17:23:40] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52927 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: typo
[17:23:57] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52928 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/images/ (20 files): Aggressive image optimization
[17:24:00] <Subfader>	I'm trying the new search header in 1.16 alpha. I defined $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedHelp so the ns to be searched are set. But there seems to be  abug with using the old $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault. The NS selector pops up when click "Content pages".
[17:24:50] <Annemarie>	B-e a-g-g-r-e-s-s-i-v-e aggressive, be-e aggressive, woo!
[17:24:50] <Subfader>	the ns from  $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault are ticked which equal the ones on "Advanced". How to define the ns for "Content pages"?
[17:24:59] <flyingparchment>	$wgContentNamespaces
[17:25:24] <Subfader>	have that. $wgContentNamespaces = array (0, 1, 14);
[17:26:07] <Subfader>	with $wgContentNamespaces you can't use $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault
[17:26:41] <Subfader>	so i use $wgContentNamespaces = array (0, 1, 14); without $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault. then under Advanced only Main is ticked
[17:28:35] <thedj>	chuck: i can fix those toc bullets on en.wp if you want
[17:29:06] <chuck>	i think RoanKattouw already fixed it
[17:29:30] <Subfader>	also with $wgContentNamespaces = array (0, 1, 14); only ns0 is searched
[17:30:50] *kim 	pokes Annemarie ...
[17:30:54] <kim>	do you actually code?
[17:31:00] <Annemarie>	Not in PHP.
[17:31:07] <Annemarie>	I play with Python.
[17:31:26] <kim>	pywikipedia?
[17:31:32] <kim>	I DO like python ;-)
[17:31:37] <Annemarie>	pywikipedia is gross. :O
[17:31:41] <Annemarie>	wikitools.
[17:31:47] <Annemarie>	Or twisted (for IRC bots).
[17:31:57] <kim>	pywikipedia IS gross, fair enough
[17:32:52] <thedj>	RoanKattouw: it's fixed in source, but i can fix it in en.wp
[17:33:19] <RoanKattouw>	thedj: Don't bother. We'll push stuff live later today
[17:36:54] <thedj>	RoanKattouw: btw. you used !important for that. Is better to use: div#content .toc ul
[17:39:11] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52929 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): 
[17:39:11] <CIA-58>	* Improved config settings order
[17:39:11] <CIA-58>	* Removed useless email check
[17:40:05] <lambchops>	is there a way to do something with permissions that gives the ability to edit and article to only one user and sysops? Does anyone know?
[17:40:06] <brion>	what uppppp
[17:40:22] <Subfader>	ok looks like $wgContentNamespaces is simply not working for the new search header. it's always only ns0=1 for me
[17:40:24] <brion>	lambchops: you can set up a one-off group for that one user
[17:40:31] <thedj>	brion: the severs i'm hoping....
[17:40:32] <brion>	and then give edit perms just to those two groups (that guy & sysops)
[17:40:41] <lambchops>	brion: nice
[17:40:59] <lambchops>	but to confirm, the permissions are based on user group, yeah?
[17:41:34] <lambchops>	and not on users themselves. At least not without an extension
[17:42:32] <brion>	yeah
[17:46:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) articles on the place of templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19598 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (enrique)
[17:47:30] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52930 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[17:47:30] <CIA-58>	UsabilityInitiative:
[17:47:30] <CIA-58>	* Use a better way to enable/disable jQuery
[17:47:30] <CIA-58>	* Only enable EditWarning on edit pages
[17:47:30] <CIA-58>	* Remove a duplicate occurence of jquery.js from jquery.combined.js
[17:47:57] <RoanKattouw>	thedj: I only had half a clue of what I was doing, please talk to Trevor about this ;) he's the CSS guy
[17:49:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) avoid using !important for toc bullets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19599 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (hartman)
[17:49:51] <TrevorParscal>	thedj: Um, using a more specific selector works too, however the behavior is less clear to people reading it in my opinion
[17:50:18] <Nikerabbit>	how comes some css issues get so much attention
[17:50:35] <rainman-sr>	Subfader, it's not that variable, but the default search one
[17:50:37] <TrevorParscal>	everyone is a designer in their own mind Nikerabbit  :)
[17:50:53] <kim>	Hello TrevorParscal 
[17:50:55] <thedj>	!important is dirty :D
[17:50:55] --mwbot--	You don't have permission to do that.
[17:51:34] <charitwo>	Do I have permission to make a sandwich?
[17:51:48] <rainman-sr>	Subfader, $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault <- this one
[17:51:56] <kim>	Hey, Henry Ford was a great designer too. You could get the T-Ford in any tasteful colour you liked , as long it was black!
[17:52:26] <Subfader>	yes tested it. as said with $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault set, the NS selector appears under "Content pages" which is not the intended behaviour
[17:53:02] <rainman-sr>	ah yes, indeed
[17:55:14] <rainman-sr>	must be some nasty php comparison somewhere
[17:56:10] <Subfader>	doesn't happen on mediawiki.org though
[17:57:02] <Subfader>	guess i got it. $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault should not contain ns you've set in $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedHelp
[17:57:05] <rainman-sr>	$this->namespaces === SearchEngine::defaultNamespaces() <- this probably the wrong way to compare them, no?
[17:58:43] <rainman-sr>	actually that whole setupPage() somehow looks kindof spooky
[17:59:20] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52931 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: Fix up hook docs for SkinTemplateNavigation
[17:59:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) vector skin hooks not documented in hooks.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19522  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:02:30] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52932 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Resolves bug #19599 using specific rules rather than !important
[18:02:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) avoid using !important for toc bullets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19599  +comment (10tparscal)
[18:02:52] <Subfader>	also redirects are always included. no matter what you tick
[18:03:53] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Vector could use more screen space - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19578  +comment (10tparscal)
[18:12:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) message 'searchmenu-new' not necessary for all results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19600 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[18:19:20] <CIA-58>	03thomasv * r52933 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): adding web request parameter for consistency
[18:22:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parserTests.php fails when l10n_cache is populated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19574  (10avarab)
[18:26:51] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r52934 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/ (8 files): 
[18:26:51] <CIA-58>	* Update to CLDR 1.7.1 using rebuild.php (Source: http://unicode.org/Public/cldr/1.7.1/core.zip)
[18:26:51] <CIA-58>	* Resolve for a further file if an alias is found in the xml.
[18:36:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10shinjiman)
[18:37:42] <ThomasV>	For some reason I am having problems commiting to hooks.txt :
[18:37:55] <ThomasV>	svn: MKACTIVITY de '/svnroot/mediawiki/!svn/act/535f009e-c9c3-4540-8ecd-5905abb7a8f0': 403 Forbidden (http://svn.wikimedia.org)
[18:37:55] <ThomasV>	any idea ?
[18:38:48] <ialex>	are you sure you're on svn+ssh
[18:38:55] <ialex>	and not the http version?
[18:39:14] <ThomasV>	ialex: yes; I just commited ti includes
[18:39:43] <ThomasV>	I also tried removig the docs dir, then svn up 
[18:40:32] <ThomasV>	and Google returns a mess of various explanations concerning this error :-(
[18:45:24] <kim>	so how could you get a 403 if you're on svn+ssh?
[18:45:24] <brion>	that's http:// for sure
[18:45:26] *kim 	scratches head
[18:45:29] <brion>	i think the http:// in the error message is a sign :)
[18:45:43] <kim>	maybe there's partial http:// and partial svn+ssh?
[18:46:06] <avar>	GAH HEISENBUG
[18:46:23] <avar>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19574
[18:46:26] <kim>	ThomasV, are you windows or linux?
[18:46:32] <avar>	Now I can't reproduce this even though it worked earlier
[18:46:38] <zachriel>	I would like to know where I can read more about how to have different 'language' versions of my wiki, using subdomains like Wikipedia does.
[18:46:50] <kim>	ThomasV, if linux at least,   check .svn/entries in your current directory (wherever you are running svn from)
[18:47:04] <GreenReaper>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family
[18:47:39] <zachriel>	Thanks
[18:47:55] <kim>	ThomasV, should be about the 5th and 6th line in the entries file
[18:48:00] <CIA-58>	03thomasv * r52935 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: documenting EditPage::importFormData
[18:48:03] <kim>	do they start with http:// or with svn+ssh// ?
[18:48:03] <ThomasV>	brion, ialex :  thanks
[18:48:12] <kim>	Hmmm, that looks suspicious
[18:48:16] <kim>	:-P
[18:48:18] <ThomasV>	it was httm :-(
[18:48:24] <ThomasV>	*http*
[18:48:34] <kim>	ThomasV, but it works now :-)
[18:48:48] <ThomasV>	stupid me
[18:49:09] <kim>	not so stupid you
[18:49:14] <kim>	svn is kinda getting old :-)
[18:49:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Proofread Page on oldwikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19534  +comment (10brion)
[18:50:56] <kim>	TrevorParscal, Roan-meeting : Nice talking!
[18:51:29] <ThomasV>	I'm really having trouble typing today
[18:51:43] <ThomasV>	I guess it's a sign that I should go
[18:51:55] <ThomasV>	good night everybody
[19:04:43] <CIA-58>	03brion * r52936 10/trunk/tools/bookmarklets/ (bookmarklets.html secure-switch.js): Add 'collab' to the special-case list (*.wikimedia.org sites which need to use 'wikipedia' sitename on secure)
[19:05:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Preference tabs display badly on small to medium screens - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19601 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (egil)
[19:07:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Preference tabs display badly on small to medium screens - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19601  +comment (10tparscal)
[19:08:12] <kim>	RoanKattouw, thanks for talking!
[19:08:20] <Nikerabbit>	that was fast
[19:08:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preference tabs display badly on small to medium screens - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19601  +comment (10tparscal)
[19:08:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Horizontal Scrollbar in Special:Preferences by small windows in IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19498  +comment (10tparscal)
[19:09:24] <kim>	very fast
[19:10:06] <Nikerabbit>	kim: what have you been doing
[19:10:21] <kim>	Nothing much!
[19:10:28] <Nikerabbit>	why not
[19:10:30] <RoanKattouw>	kim: Sure, I happened to be in town; I normally live in Harlingen, NL
[19:10:33] <kim>	We'll see :-)
[19:10:38] <kim>	RoanKattouw, dacht ik wel ;-)
[19:10:55] <kim>	Nikerabbit, I'll tell you when I finally know what I'm doing ;-)
[19:11:19] <Nikerabbit>	kim: and when is that?
[19:11:38] <kim>	Nikerabbit, we shall see.
[19:11:48] *kim 	makes it a policy not to tell stuff, until it is tellable
[19:11:57] <Nikerabbit>	`tell`
[19:12:26] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52937 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Vector.php: Resolves issue in #19185 where, in text only browsers, headings of personal tools were shown even if no personal tools were available. This was also the case with namespaces aparently.
[19:13:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Check for empty section before printing title, else visible in text browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19185  +comment (10tparscal)
[19:17:49] <brion>	http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Codeathon
[19:19:17] <chuck>	brion-lunch: aww, fun
[19:19:27] <kim>	chuck, you going?
[19:21:07] <chuck>	nope
[19:22:20] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r52938 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateTasks.php: 
[19:22:20] <CIA-58>	adding 'nodb' for version check to avoid the error listed:
[19:22:20] <CIA-58>	Error: DB connection error: Access denied for user 'user'@'host'
[19:24:24] <henna>	brion-lunch: nice
[19:26:28] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52939 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.inc: Make this error more understandable to someone who runs this script expecting that it has a working getopt implementation
[19:29:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) line number missing by action=parse&prop=sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19417  (10dr.trigon)
[19:37:44] <CIA-58>	03avar * r52940 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.class.php: Add a bit of whitespace to make all the html elements/comments we're outputting line up
[19:39:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) PubMed Magic links use outdated URL pattern - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19602 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (chuck)
[19:58:08] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r52941 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesZh_hans.php MessagesZh_hant.php MessagesZh_tw.php): * (bug 17712) fix the hardcoded link on 'newarticletext' for zh message series.
[19:58:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) uselang=en translation string vs. zh-tw - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17712  summary; +comment (10shinjiman)
[19:59:32] <Subfader>	I'm still testing the new Search header. I can't the "Help and Project pages" link active. It kees jumping on Advanced where my ns from $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedHelp are ticked
[20:00:33] <Subfader>	BOY
[20:00:43] *rainman-sr 	bets it's the setuppage from specialsearch.php
[20:01:08] <Subfader>	must be
[20:01:13] <Subfader>	$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedHelp = array( NS_PROJECT   => true, NS_HELP => true); NOT
[20:01:27] <Subfader>	$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedHelp = array( NS_HELP => true, NS_PROJECT   => true);
[20:01:39] <rainman-sr>	so fix it :)
[20:02:07] <Subfader>	nah it's the way it works. it takes the url parameters. needs to be the  correct order
[20:02:44] <Subfader>	but that you can f**k it up woth your global setting in LocalSettings is most likely going to confuse lots of ppl
[20:04:16] <rainman-sr>	yes, that's why that function needs rewriting
[20:04:30] <CIA-58>	03rotem * r52942 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[20:04:46] <brion>	om nom naan
[20:08:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Parameter validation is completely broken in SlippyMap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19603 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[20:08:44] <Subfader>	it's ok you just need to know it. updated http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedHelp
[20:11:51] <rainman-sr>	argh it's not ok :) oh well.. 
[20:30:32] <wikiblue>	d
[20:31:10] *avar 	hacks http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/maps-l/2009-July/000125.html
[20:37:47] <thedj>	avar: btw. when it comes to static maps. EXIF would be VERY nice if that's possible.
[20:38:10] <thedj>	for copyright statement, location info, rendertime etc...
[20:38:21] <thedj>	might not be easy to do, but really cool.
[20:38:32] <brion>	oooh
[20:38:40] <brion>	subscribe me to your newsletter. metadata ftw
[20:47:43] <thedj>	avar: good to see some real work on that. good luck
[20:48:50] <avar>	thedj: Oh totally, that would be cool
[20:48:54] <avar>	thedj: Add a bug for it:)
[20:49:33] <avar>	It's easy with an exif libary, and since the exporter will probably be written in C++ eventually that's going to be easy
[20:56:11] <CIA-58>	03daniel * r52943 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed storeAbout/storeConcept conflict
[21:00:12] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52944 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/SkinTemplate.php skins/Vector.php): Moved buildNavigationUrls into SkinTemplate from SkinVector which inherits SkinTemplate - as was originally intended.
[21:16:25] <CIA-58>	03dale * r52945 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (2 files in 2 dirs): updated width of mvAdvFirefogg input (save ogg file was wrapping)
[21:19:10] <wikiblue>	does anyone know what css section controls the spacing between modules in column?
[21:19:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ogg files lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5828  (10Platonides)
[21:19:53] <wikiblue>	sorry, wrong window
[21:24:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "count" is not working correctly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19604 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (email_metawiki_138)
[21:29:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) log entries of non-blocked edits which were never submitted? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19605 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (email_metawiki_138)
[21:36:32] <Subfader>	as soon as i try to access my user prefs I get this error about the new gender setting http://dpaste.org/VB42/
[21:36:39] <Subfader>	1.16alpha
[21:39:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) filter rule seem to have maximum length - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19606 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (email_metawiki_138)
[21:43:29] <Subfader>	seems that my $wgDefaultUserOptions causes it. http://dpaste.org/wPdI/
[21:47:07] <Subfader>	ok must be about the new $wgHiddenPrefs
[21:48:53] <Simetrical>	Subfader, blame werdna!
[21:49:50] <Subfader>	me likes $wgHiddenPrefs! no more source code changes in SpecialPreferences.php on upgrade --hip hip
[21:50:17] <Subfader>	i just wonder which value is taken as default if you hide a pref and can't use $wgDefaultUserOptions
[21:50:48] <Simetrical>	werdna rewrote preferences a while back, so any preference-related problems in trunk are his fault until proven otherwise.
[21:51:07] <Simetrical>	I think it was someone else who did $wgHiddenPrefs, admittedly.
[21:51:53] <Subfader>	my first alpha testing. should bugs be reported for alpha versions?
[21:52:08] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[21:52:22] <Simetrical>	Otherwise Wikipedia users couldn't report bugs.  :P
[21:52:36] <Subfader>	true
[21:53:04] <thedj>	there is a difference between reporting bugs and complainig about bugs.
[21:53:47] <thedj>	with non-stable only the first is respected, on stable both should be respected :D
[21:53:54] <thedj>	note should :D
[21:56:13] <MrZ-man>	bug reports in diff -u format are most appreciated
[21:56:30] <Simetrical>	All bug reports are encouraged.
[21:56:43] <Simetrical>	As long as they're clear, like yours was.
[22:01:30] <Subfader>	severity critical? unsure. wp and mediawiki.org don't use any $wgDefaultUserOptions?
[22:02:57] <Simetrical>	If it breaks major functionality for you, mark it major.
[22:03:03] <infinisoft>	Anyone know why pre boxes have a really small font in Chrome?
[22:03:19] <Simetrical>	infinisoft, its monotype font seems to be really small by default.  It annoys me too.
[22:03:20] <Subfader>	cos chrome is nice but not great
[22:03:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User Prefs not accessable if $wgDefaultUserOptions is used. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19607 critical; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (subfader)
[22:05:29] <Subfader>	just the way chrome marks text is an K.O. argument for me. bah
[22:07:33] <Simetrical>	On Linux, at least, Firefox is painfully slow and unresponsive compared to Chrome.
[22:07:43] <_Brun0_2>	Hi. I've made a custom authentication plugin for mediawiki to make mediawiki users login from my database and it worked. Now i'm trying to use the same plugin in another site and I have a weird problem: I can login from site and them wehn I enter the wiki the users are logged. But when I try to log from the wiki I can't, it says invalid user/pass but the strange thing is that the plugin's authenticate() function is not even c
[22:07:43] <_Brun0_2>	alled. When I type a wrong pass/user in the wiki it calls plugin's authentiate(). Is there anything I an do to debug what's happenning?
[22:07:47] <Simetrical>	For me.
[22:07:55] <Simetrical>	Maybe it's partly due to my extensions, although I don't have too many of those.
[22:07:57] <Subfader>	check FF 3.5 it's rocking.
[22:08:09] <Simetrical>	I've been using Firefox 3.5 for months.
[22:08:16] <Simetrical>	It's better than 3.0, but still miles behind Chromium.
[22:08:47] <Simetrical>	Chromium starts for me in (off-the-cuff estimate) three seconds.  Firefox takes more like ten, and takes so long to shut down that the OS asks me if I want to kill it every time.
[22:09:02] <Simetrical>	I now only use Firefox for Flash and multi-browser testing.
[22:09:22] <Subfader>	yes but the feel is not the same. chrome feels so not liquid
[22:10:19] <Subfader>	and as said, working with text in chrome is just impossible. like copying text or writing in text areas. not to mention the ads...
[22:10:24] <Annemarie>	critical?
[22:10:30] <Annemarie>	You filed it as a critical bug?
[22:10:46] <Subfader>	yes. excuse my n00bness
[22:11:04] *Annemarie 	shrugs.
[22:11:16] <Simetrical>	I'd say it's at least major.
[22:12:07] <Subfader>	if a user can't access Special:Preferences I'd say it's almost a blocker
[22:12:37] <Simetrical>	"Blocker" means "blocks development work", according to the bug descriptions.
[22:12:45] <Subfader>	kk
[22:12:54] <Simetrical>	Everyone ignores the severities anyway.
[22:12:58] <Annemarie>	Right.
[22:13:03] <Subfader>	good
[22:13:16] <Simetrical>	We should just disable them, or implement only a bug/feature dichotomy and maybe some way to flag things as blocking scap/release.
[22:13:31] <Annemarie>	scaptraps are noted in Special:Code.
[22:13:37] <Annemarie>	Tim's doing.
[22:14:35] <Simetrical>	Only if you know which commit it was.
[22:14:43] <Simetrical>	And random people can't nominate that, can they?
[22:14:51] <Simetrical>	Firefox has a neat system, with their "blocking" flags.
[22:14:55] <Annemarie>	Random people know what blocks scap?
[22:15:12] <Simetrical>	No, but they can propose it so someone who does takes a look before they scap.
[22:15:22] <Annemarie>	Hah.
[22:15:34] <Annemarie>	You're just re-creating priority. ;-)
[22:17:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) line number missing by action=parse&prop=sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19417  (10roan.kattouw)
[22:18:41] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Spacing issue when no results returned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18193  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[22:19:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spacing issue when no results returned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18193  (10mike.lifeguard)
[22:21:34] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52946 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (30 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-08 22:14 UTC)
[22:27:02] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52947 10/trunk/extensions/ (47 files in 39 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-08 22:14 UTC)
[22:38:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) uselang=en translation string vs. zh-tw - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17712  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[22:50:38] <_Brun0_2>	Why mediawiki calls my plugin->authenticate() when i tryto login with invalid username/pass but doesn't call it then I type correct username/pass? Any hint?
[22:51:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add Exif data to generated static maps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19608 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[22:51:09] <avar>	thedj: meh:)
[22:51:55] <thedj>	avar: thx. i was just gonna create the ticket.
[22:52:01] <thedj>	just got home.
[22:53:00] <CIA-58>	03dale * r52948 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (11 files in 9 dirs): 
[22:53:00] <CIA-58>	add language folder to mwEmbed that fits with mediaWiki php extension conventions for localization.
[22:53:00] <CIA-58>	set up script-loader to use this localization system in both stand alone and in mediaWiki mode.
[22:53:24] <avar>	thedj: Do you want to help hack on this maps stuff, incidentally?
[22:53:27] <_Brun0_2>	Can anyone help me. I'm stuck into this problem.
[22:53:48] <thedj>	avar: sorry, en.wp and vlc media player keep me busy enough atm :D
[22:54:01] <thedj>	avar: but i am really interested in the project.
[22:54:04] <avar>	hacking it or watching bad TV stuff from torrent ?:)
[22:54:20] <thedj>	i'm one of the devs.
[22:54:31] <avar>	Oh, congrats on 1.0 then:)
[22:54:37] <thedj>	thx.
[22:54:53] <thedj>	it was a busy few weeks to get that out the door.
[22:55:21] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52949 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/images/png24/generate.sh: EditToolbar: Add a quickie script for pngcrushing the PNG files. The compression rate doesn't come close to Photoshop's (which was used to generate the compressed files currently in there), but for now it's good enough.
[22:55:30] <RoanKattouw>	_Brun0_2: Someone might if you just explain what your problem is
[22:56:04] <thedj>	as a former OS X dev. i had to spent 5 weeks cleaning up the OS X build. even though i'd rather no longer concern myself with interface stuff anymore.
[22:56:13] <_Brun0_2>	I'll repeat: Why mediawiki calls my plugin->authenticate() when i tryto login with invalid username/pass but doesn't call it then I type correct username/pass? Any hint?
[22:56:31] <RoanKattouw>	Oh sorry _Brun0_2 
[22:56:52] <RoanKattouw>	_Brun0_2: Because AuthPlugins are supposed to *add* to the MediaWiki authentication, not *replace* it
[22:57:06] <_Brun0_2>	I've made a custom authentication plugin for mediawiki to make mediawiki users login from my database and it worked. Now i'm trying to use the same plugin in another site and I have a weird problem: I can login from site and them wehn I enter the wiki the users are logged. But when I try to log from the wiki I can't, it says invalid user/pass but the strange thing is that the plugin's authenticate() function is not even calle
[22:57:06] <_Brun0_2>	d. When I type a wrong pass/user in the wiki it calls plugin's authentiate(). Is there anything I an do to debug what's happenning?
[22:57:09] <RoanKattouw>	So it'll first check whether the user exists in MediaWiki, and only ask your plugin if MediaWiki doesn't know the user
[22:58:02] <_Brun0_2>	RoanKattouw, nice. can I dsaible it checking if the user exists in mediawiki?
[22:58:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Exif data to generated static maps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19608  +comment (10hartman)
[23:01:11] <RoanKattouw>	I have no idea
[23:05:16] <_Brun0_2>	RoanKattouw, thanks anyway
[23:10:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create Domain for Wikimedia Colombia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19609 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (chlewey)
[23:11:06] <mutante>	once started the page Extension:RSS with minimal code, in 2005, then several authors extended it heavily over time, it never had a license, besides the "CC-by-sa" because its a mediawiki.org page, now a Fedora maintainer asks me they want to package it with mediawiki and they need it to be a Free License.. can i just say its GPL 3 now?
[23:12:03] <flyingparchment>	mutante: only if you have the permission of all the copyright holders
[23:12:32] <mutante>	flyingparchment: that is all editors of all revisions?
[23:12:38] <thedj>	yes
[23:12:44] <mutante>	flyingparchment: but technically each revision could be a seperate work
[23:12:55] <mutante>	i could say it alone, but only for my own ancient revision
[23:13:07] <mutante>	and what about the following ones ..P
[23:13:09] <thedj>	that is, if all people claim their copyright
[23:13:11] <flyingparchment>	mutante: no, each revision is a derivate work of the preceeding one
[23:13:39] <thedj>	and you can't know if they will claim their copyright, unless you ask.
[23:13:48] <mutante>	hmm ok, but it is very likely not all users will answer
[23:13:54] <mutante>	if we just write on their talk pages
[23:13:57] <mutante>	and how long to wait
[23:14:12] <thedj>	that's kinda a problem, but you have to try first.
[23:14:23] <GreenReaper>	But isn't CC-BY-SA a free license?
[23:14:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create wikimediaCO-l list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19610 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (chlewey)
[23:15:05] <mutante>	GreenReaper: hmm, he links me to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses  .. checking again
[23:15:50] <mutante>	GreenReaper: not considered a license for code by them? shrug
[23:16:19] <flyingparchment>	it would be a stupid choice to license code under, but since it's already done, the code should be free, technically
[23:17:06] <GreenReaper>	It is under "Good Licenses" for Content Licenses
[23:17:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rebuildrecentchanges.php should preserve rc_patrolled column - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19466  +comment (10jidanni)
[23:17:24] <mutante>	can the authors say: "GPL 3 or CC-by-sa dual license - user can choose what he uses" ?
[23:17:40] <GreenReaper>	The authors can but they all have to.
[23:17:40] <flyingparchment>	yes, but it still only applies if they all do that
[23:18:57] <mutante>	thanks, so the easiest way would be i guess:
[23:19:16] <mutante>	Fedora just takes it as cc-by-sa, like Content
[23:22:27] <mutante>	hmm, and seriously another questions since i was about to just copy/paste that conversation on public talk page. what license is this channel under?  should i ask before quoting you in public / logging?
[23:24:07] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52950 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditWarning/EditWarning.js: Added support for allowing an existing onbeforeunload hook to be evaluated and returned if needed - thus superceding our own.
[23:47:03] <mdale>	hmm ... its sucks to merge things when people start to reactor things you re-factored... 
[23:47:08] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[23:47:27] <RoanKattouw>	I'm really grateful you're making an effort to merge your stuff on my request, though
[23:47:28] <mdale>	(in case anyone was wondering) 
[23:49:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add 'confirmed' group to enwiki & commonswiki providing the 'autoconfirmed' permissions, which can be manually assigned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19611 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (brion)
[23:49:42] <mdale>	yea.. almost got it there... a bit tricky cuz of some skin refactoring that took place... (not that thous files will be in the upload api patch .. but have to merge new-upload branch with trunk updates )