and remove [01:24:26] Is it spending a lot of times computing where it should start requesting revisions or is the time spent actually getting each rev? [01:24:34] But I guarantee you that it will take drastically less time for you to get the tar.gz from me than to git svn clone. [01:24:59] I'm actually not sure. I haven't profiled it or anything. I'll look at network/disk/CPU activity next time I fetch if I remember. [01:25:18] ETA to finish upload: 1:46:29, sigh. [01:25:38] But "days" is not an exaggeration. It took me like three days to clone this. [01:38:15] avar, I'm currently uploading it to http://aryeh.name/tmp-mw-git.tar.gz. You might be able to start downloading it now, I don't know how lighttpd handles downloads of files that are changing in the middle. [01:38:39] You'll probably download faster than I can upload and end up with a truncated file, which you could theoretically patch up via Range requests. Or you could wait till it looks done. :) [01:39:38] avar, hmm, no, git branch -l and git tag -l don't work properly. I can do git checkout REL1_15 or whatever to use branches. [01:39:53] Seeing as my download speed from you is 8MB/s this is likely to be true :) [01:40:21] From my server, you mean? You have a pretty good connection. [01:40:31] If it's that fast, obviously you may as well wait. [01:40:49] pv says . . . still about an hour and 45 minutes left, but that's because I throttled it with pv -R. [01:40:51] oh it's just "git branch", -l is something else [01:40:54] *Simetrical <3 <3 pv [01:41:20] Also doesn't show anything but (no branch) and master (and I think master refers to REL1_13 for some reason). [01:41:40] I'm pretty sure I did --stdlayout or equivalent. [01:41:54] I think git-svn doesn't store SVN branches as git branches for some reason. [01:42:08] mm [02:01:16] 03(mod) Spacing issue when no results returned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18193 (10JSchulz_4587) [02:05:30] 03(mod) Embbed REVISIONID is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19499 summary; +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [02:06:03] What can I do that gets the same effect as ? [02:08:28] harej, in standard mw, not much [02:08:44] what about on Wikipedia? [02:08:50] nothing at all [02:09:02] is vaugely possible, I hear, by splitting the tags badly, sometimes, maybe [02:09:09] 03(mod) Embbed REVISIONID is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19499 (10JSchulz_4587) [02:09:13] Splarka, i think that stopped working years ago [02:09:44] zocky: I've seen people discuss it here more recently than "years" ago [02:10:20] I want to use a collapsible box on MfDs, except the collapsible box only shows on the main WP:MFD page, and not on the individual MFD itself. [02:11:10] 03(FIXED) using api to de-flag a revision not already flagged gives very cryptic error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19545 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [02:18:47] whats a good website with a huge list of all the text formatting that can be done in mediawiki? like a key of all the ways you can edit a page [02:20:13] zocky: [23:31:40] this worked [02:20:16] [23:31:42] [02:20:16] [23:31:42] clude>[[Category:DataItem]]clude> [02:20:16] [23:31:42] [02:20:22] just a year ago: http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20080723.txt [02:22:17] Splarka, was that before or after the new parser/preprocessor? [02:22:40] well, that conversation was after [02:22:51] but I can't find any mention of neurotope mentioning what version they had [02:23:06] harej, btw, you can do that without tag salad [02:23:20] how, zocky [02:23:47] {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|whatever you want|nothing|yourbox}} [02:23:58] i tried that and it didn't work [02:24:01] or you could use {{BASEPAGENAME}} if it's on subpages [02:24:06] hmmm, they seem to be using 1.15 [02:24:40] *Splarka gets clever/stalkery [02:26:44] ED is still on 1.13.3. For shame! [02:29:07] Hmm. What's a non-document.write() way to include a script? [02:29:35] there are no problems with it, right? [02:33:31] yeah [02:33:35] Because that's synchronous. [02:33:40] pretty much [02:33:47] but using it in an imported/src script is BAD [02:34:02] I often see it inserted into

[02:34:41] <Splarka>	harej: no matter the transclusion level, it should always show the page you are /viewing/
[02:34:48] <Splarka>	(unless it has been subst'd)
[02:35:33] <Splarka>	oop, where was I
[02:37:39] <GreenReaper>	No matter where you were, here you are.
[02:38:11] <harej>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion?action=purge << look above the purple box and below it. why is this happening?
[02:38:25] <avar>	Splarka: how's the upload going?
[02:38:40] <avar>	argh
[02:38:43] <Splarka>	even intelligent tab complete can fail
[02:38:45] <avar>	Simetrical: ^^
[02:39:02] <Simetrical>	avar, ETA 40 minutes.
[02:39:03] <avar>	There's nothing intelligent about my tab complete
[02:39:36] <Splarka>	avar: well, some people brag their clients up, for their ability to select the last active person for tab complete rather than alphabetically
[02:39:45] <Splarka>	isn't irssi one of them?
[02:40:27] <avar>	dunno
[02:40:37] <Simetrical>	XChat does that, if you configure it right.
[02:40:43] <Simetrical>	It's very handy.
[02:44:20] <Splarka>	harej/zocky: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/index.php?title=Template:MetaDataItem&action=history  here is a guy who got it "working" in 2008 on their wiki, and their wiki is now on 1.15, so presumably it wasn't on too old of a version a year ago... but note the current version of the template doesn't contain any such tricks
[02:46:17] <harej>	In any case, Splarka, the issue is that the template I want to be transcluded is being treated as text instead of a template summoning
[02:50:36] <Splarka>	harej[brb]: well the current problem is: {{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion|
[02:50:43] <Splarka>	that'll never be true, {{PAGENAME}} omits namespace
[02:51:16] <Splarka>	well, I guess it can be true for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion   heh
[02:53:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spacing issue when no results returned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18193  (10mike.lifeguard)
[02:59:56] <Simetrical>	avar, by the way, my md5sum is ffd9ff47ca633a9d6f21197d6274789ef6b49719db2c19dff9af939499fbf3f8.
[02:59:57] <Simetrical>	Er.
[02:59:59] <Simetrical>	sha256sum.
[03:00:06] <Simetrical>	That's obviously not an MD5.  :P
[03:00:29] <Simetrical>	If the file isn't quite right, poke me tomorrow morning and I can rsync it to you, it's still going to be faster than trying a fresh checkout.
[03:00:33] <Simetrical>	Clone, whatever.
[03:05:04] <Splarka>	wtfbbq... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion  every single one has <span id="coordinates">[[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Administrator instructions|Closing instructions]]</span>
[03:05:24] *Splarka 	inserts face (a) into palms (b) making sure the fit is secure
[03:06:42] <harej[brb]>	Splarka: I used FULLPAGENAME
[03:07:30] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Mfd_bottom&action=edit  right now, as of this moment:
[03:07:35] <Splarka>	{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion|{{collapse-bottom}}|}}
[03:09:01] <Splarka>	ahh
[03:09:05] <Splarka>	{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion|{{collapse top{{!}}Closed MfD debate}}|}}
[03:09:13] <Splarka>	okay, don't use {{!}} there
[03:09:23] <Splarka>	that is not needed and just breaks shit, as you are observing
[03:09:38] <Splarka>	{{collapse top|Closed MfD debate}} will work fine there
[03:10:00] <Splarka>	(as it is "covered" by the double braces)
[03:12:02] <zocky>	yes
[03:12:50] <zocky>	you use {{!}} to escape a pipe (a literal one, or one that's part of table syntax), not in a template call
[03:13:05] <Splarka>	zocky: I know that better than most, heh
[03:13:08] *zocky 	takes the opportunity to stab table syntax
[03:13:44] <Splarka>	mm, stabby
[03:14:20] <harej[brb]>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion << now it just swallows up the page
[03:14:26] <Splarka>	yes
[03:14:30] <Splarka>	well, here is the thing
[03:14:34] <Splarka>	you had both bottom and top broke
[03:14:36] <Splarka>	so everything was fine
[03:14:39] <Splarka>	now you fixed top
[03:14:45] <Splarka>	so what to do next? fix bottom!
[03:15:02] <Splarka>	you want the exact same #ifeq call, but with the collapse bottom template of course
[03:15:44] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52962 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateAutoPromote.inc: Fixed totally broken $p['uniqueContentPages'] handling
[03:16:33] <harej[brb]>	they were both broken for diff reasons
[03:16:35] <Splarka>	harej[brb]: also, those <span id="coordinates"> really need to go, or at least be <noinclue>
[03:16:40] <Splarka>	include, heh, clue, freudian
[03:17:10] <Splarka>	they're horribly invalidating the xhtml of the page, and making a big stack of "closing instructions" links in the corner
[03:18:10] <Simetrical>	avar, it's done, and the sha256sum is the same.  Try it out.
[03:20:03] <Cait>	Alright! I have a question. Not sure if it can be done. With a template, if I want to have Stats for an item (in a game) but all items have different stats, and I dont want colums for all item stats to show up for all items, only the colums that apply to that item.. Is there a way to hide those "empty" colums for a particular item? I can show you the template if I'm not clear enough ^^''
[03:20:19] <avar>	Simetrical: mm, eta 2m
[03:23:13] <Splarka>	Cait: this is done generally with the ParserFunctions extension on wikis like Wikipedia
[03:23:29] <Splarka>	!parserfunctions
[03:23:29] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[03:24:06] <Cait>	ahh oh geez, i dont think my server has it installed, and i cant install anything..
[03:24:45] <Cait>	yeah, onlything installed is "Cite"
[03:24:50] <Cait>	>_< anyway around this or no?
[03:24:55] <Splarka>	well
[03:25:04] <Splarka>	pre-parserfunctions there was a dirty dirty hack
[03:25:17] <Betacommand>	Cait: can you add files to the server?
[03:25:25] <Splarka>	|- style="display:none{{{parameter|}}};"
[03:25:31] <Cait>	Nope :| just regular user access
[03:25:34] <Splarka>	this would resolve as invalid css if the parameter was defined
[03:25:42] <Splarka>	and if not defined, it would be valid and hide the table row
[03:25:47] <Cait>	Ohh okay splark, ill try that
[03:25:55] <Splarka>	but is naaaaasty to accessability, heh
[03:25:59] <Cait>	lol
[03:26:10] <Splarka>	so bug the site guys to install that extension
[03:26:28] <Cait>	It's for an MMO, so I can talk to the GMs, but Im not sure if they would do anything.. :(
[03:30:52] <Cait>	Hmm, ok,  i duno what i did wrong, but it's actually printing "style="display:none;"" if the variable isnt defined...
[03:31:10] <harej>	thank you guys
[03:32:16] <Cait>	http://wiki.ntreev.net/trickster/index.php/Template:Equiptest  <- Template,   http://wiki.ntreev.net/trickster/index.php/User_talk:Thecait  <- Test
[03:32:20] <Cait>	im still somewhat of a wiki newb ^^''
[03:37:42] <Splarka>	oh, you don't have it in the style of the cell, but in the text of the cell
[03:37:48] <Splarka>	|bgcolor="#FAFAFA" align="center" width="15%"|style="display:none{{{sDX|}}};"
[03:37:49] <Splarka>	what you want is
[03:38:00] <Splarka>	|bgcolor="#FAFAFA" align="center" width="15%" style="display:none{{{sDX|}}};"| {{{sDX|}}}
[03:38:15] <Cait>	Ohhh XDD okay, ill try that, thanks =D
[03:38:17] <Splarka>	but also for the caption
[03:38:39] <Splarka>	|bgcolor="#EEEEEE" align="center" width="5%" style="display:none{{{sDX|}}};"|DX 
[03:38:41] <Splarka>	above it
[03:38:55] <Splarka>	though it is better to hide the whole row (not sure if this is possible on your layout)
[03:39:20] <Cait>	Yeah
[03:39:27] <Cait>	I'll mess with it and see =D
[03:39:28] <Splarka>	your layout there doesn't really work with dynamic content
[03:39:58] <Splarka>	probably better to have a second table there inside the <td> that is a sibling to the image <td>
[03:40:28] <Cait>	Yeah i was actually trying that, but it messed up big time, and i didnt know how to do it XD so i just did it with how it looked best..
[03:41:15] <Cait>	I tried a table-with-a-table using the wiki-table's {|.. also tried regular html <table> but both didnt work >< lol
[03:42:07] <Cait>	My test sample looks good, so ill try it with the rest =D hopefully it will work
[03:51:04] <CIA-58>	03rememberthedot * r52963 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Linker.php maintenance/parserTests.txt): Removed redundant anchors from headings as suggested by Aryeh Gregor on wikitech-l. Even IE6 supports jumping to elements by ID using URLs, so there is no need to make this any more complicated than it has to be.
[03:51:07] <Daworm>	Question RE: some .js code.
[03:51:28] <Daworm>	I would like something (assuming .js code) that will allow for displaying a random background image on a site.
[03:51:44] <GreenReaper>	!r52963
[03:51:44] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "r52963".
[03:51:46] <GreenReaper>	!r 52963
[03:51:46] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52963
[03:52:03] *Splarka 	gives GreenReaper a paper bag to breathe into
[03:52:26] <GreenReaper>	Pfft, I suggested that. :-p
[03:52:32] <TimStarling>	you know you can private message it
[03:53:24] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: I know, but you also are probably excited and hyperventilating that it was done
[03:53:38] <GreenReaper>	No, I've already moved on to removing http: from all external and interwiki links.
[03:53:56] <GreenReaper>	which works surprisingly well.
[03:54:08] <GreenReaper>	Doesn't save a huge amount but still.
[03:54:20] <TimStarling>	protocol-relative URLs?
[03:54:27] <GreenReaper>	Yes.
[03:54:35] <TimStarling>	we had a discussion about them a while ago
[03:54:49] <TimStarling>	but that was about trying to make https://en.wikipedia.org/ work
[03:54:51] <GreenReaper>	I know you guys wanted to share with https. :-)
[03:54:56] <Cait>	Splarka - It works good ^__^ thanks so much
[03:55:02] <Splarka>	rar
[03:55:03] <GreenReaper>	Yeah. We don't have that issue.
[03:55:25] <Splarka>	mmm, protocol relatives
[03:55:27] <TimStarling>	have you thought about just buying a bigger bandwidth allowance?
[03:55:38] <Daworm>	Question RE: some .js code. -- I would like something (assuming .js code) that will allow for displaying a random background image on a site.
[03:55:43] <TimStarling>	this kind of optimisation seems kind of 1990s
[03:55:51] <GreenReaper>	We're not low on bandwidth. This is a matter of improving the user experience.
[03:56:01] <GreenReaper>	We still have users on modems and on wireless connections.
[03:56:23] <GreenReaper>	Wikipedia has been singled out as the top-ten site doing the least to improve its speed. I'm trying to rectify that. ;-p
[03:56:37] <TimStarling>	we're fast already
[03:56:42] <Cait>	yeah! I'm a compy nerd -and- on dialup *sad* XD
[03:57:07] <TimStarling>	the rest of them have to try harder because they're slow
[03:57:13] <Cait>	But yeah, no complaints about wikipedia's speed for me. one of the fastest sites there is <3
[03:57:28] <harej>	thank you guys
[03:57:54] <GreenReaper>	Wikipedia is moderately fast but it could be faster, especially for users on an empty cache. There is not a problem with server speed. It's the front-end stuff - loading multiple javascript and CSS files with a whole bunch of comments in them.
[03:58:04] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52964 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): 
[03:58:04] <CIA-58>	* Replaced hard-coded checks with $wgFlaggedRevsAutoreview to implement .de wiki proposal
[03:58:04] <CIA-58>	* Improved caching for promote check functions
[03:58:04] <CIA-58>	* Cleaned up some of the running edit tally code
[03:58:04] <CIA-58>	* Split off spacing check to editSpacingCheck()
[03:58:15] <GreenReaper>	Arguably it is fast enough for the users that it matters for - the regular editors.
[03:58:38] <GreenReaper>	But it's nice to give the occasional users a better impression too. <g>
[04:00:52] *Daworm 	wanders off to google again to _try_ find his answer
[04:01:21] <GreenReaper>	Google and Microsoft spend huge amount of time and money trying to squeeze every byte possible out of their sites, and reduce the number of requests their users have to make. It's not because they are low on bandwidth, it's because even a small delay results in a measurable drop in usage. Anything above 50ms counts. See their Velocity '09 presentations - they did one together, amazingly enough.
[04:02:15] <Prom_cat>	[13:24] <TimStarling> the rest of them have to try harder because they're slow
[04:02:17] <Prom_cat>	Argh yes
[04:02:24] <GreenReaper>	And yeah, yahoo is top-heavy.
[04:02:25] <Prom_cat>	but dont forget what wikipedia is all about
[04:02:39] <TimStarling>	optimisation?
[04:02:54] <Prom_cat>	No, providing free knowlege to those who need it most
[04:02:59] <TimStarling>	oh, right
[04:03:05] <GreenReaper>	We do that?
[04:03:07] <TimStarling>	I was confused for a second there
[04:03:21] *GreenReaper 	thought it was something to do with documenting lolcats.
[04:03:24] <GreenReaper>	or pokemon
[04:03:52] <Prom_cat>	GreenReaper: Obviously you are mis-informed, in more ways than 1
[04:05:24] *Daworm 	is failing at his googling
[04:05:41] <Prom_cat>	lmgtfy?
[04:05:43] <GreenReaper>	Anyway, sites like Google and Facebook have gone to the trouble of totally recoding the way they deliver content (separating the "chrome" from the data which they deliver via Javascript) solely to improve the user response time. I'm not saying we can or should go that far, but there's material things we can do. And every little helps, a bit. :-)
[04:06:30] <TimStarling>	Daworm: maybe you'd be better off googling for the two things separately
[04:06:39] <Splarka>	access > optimization by clarity (who needs 50 tab indention in html) > debugability > optimization by obfuscation (/SOME/ line returns and comments are good)
[04:06:42] <TimStarling>	random numbers, and setting backgrounds
[04:08:34] *Splarka 	scrolls back
[04:09:10] <Splarka>	TimStarling: how much am I allowed to help Daworm on this? ^_^
[04:09:52] <Daworm>	Splarka: Tis not SUPER urgent, just hoped someone might have a hint to look for. I'll do as TimStarling suggested and see what I can find.
[04:09:59] <TimStarling>	you could do it by private message
[04:10:17] <Splarka>	Daworm: #mediawiki-scripts
[04:10:21] <Daworm>	Also - if I'm not in the right channel for these Q's . Let me know
[04:10:23] <Daworm>	Ta!
[04:11:07] <TimStarling>	have you seen the featured article on wikipedia today?
[04:11:38] <Daworm>	What a name!
[04:12:57] <GreenReaper>	Interesting choice.
[04:12:58] <TimStarling>	maybe they've got too many April 1 articles lined up and they decided they needed to run them more often
[04:13:02] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52965 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: tiny cleanups
[04:13:28] <GreenReaper>	And a really short featured article.
[04:23:17] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52966 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): 
[04:23:17] <CIA-58>	* Fixed silly variable collision from r52964
[04:23:17] <CIA-58>	* Disable $wgFlaggedRevsAutoconfirm by default
[04:39:20] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52967 10/branches/REL1_15/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/updateAutoPromote.inc: backport r52962
[04:42:43] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52968 10/branches/REL1_15/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: backported Media: file usage fix
[04:43:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Remove the name attribute from header <a> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19576  +comment (10greenreaper)
[05:12:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External links should skip the scheme if it's the same as the site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18889  (10greenreaper)
[05:47:47] <CIA-58>	03siebrand * r52969 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.i18n.php: Message updates to r52954
[06:24:36] <Cait>	Alright, if anyones still here i have another question! How do i do a template, for example, for swords.. but I can put multiple swords using the SAME variable, only on a new line? (without just doing the template twice)
[06:25:11] <Cait>	I would do the template twice, but then the heading lines dont match up with the item rows..    http://wiki.ntreev.net/trickster/index.php/User_talk:Thecait   <- "From NPC"  is what I have so far (doing it using same template several times)
[06:25:37] <Cait>	*Using the SAME template (not variable)
[06:26:50] <Splarka>	{{sword template|sword<br/>sword<br/>sword<br/>sword}} ?
[06:27:51] <Cait>	http://dpaste.org/cZYK/  <- thats what i tried, but it doesnt work...
[06:28:02] <Cait>	It only shows up the first line of what i define for it...
[06:29:49] <Cait>	oops, if i put the right "|"s before the mine.. It still doesnt work, but only shows the 3rd sword, not the first 2.
[06:30:30] <Cait>	*before the line.. (ack its getting late)
[06:31:28] <Daworm>	I think you'd need to use something similar to what I have setup for reporting vandalism on a wiki.
[06:31:39] <Daworm>	Each "entry" will need to be a template call.
[06:32:02] <Cait>	s like, sword1, sword2, sword3?
[06:32:53] <Daworm>	kinda
[06:32:57] <Daworm>	but you'd need two templates
[06:33:05] <Daworm>	One for the "start" of whatever your doing
[06:33:18] <Daworm>	one that you would keep calling on each time you wanted a new "entry" assuming it is a table setup.
[06:33:30] <Daworm>	See : http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/AoCWiki:Vandalism/Table and http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Vandal
[06:33:52] <Daworm>	and Template:Vandal is the actual line entry
[06:34:23] <Daworm>	to use it do this : http://dpaste.org/ZhTd/
[06:34:33] <Daworm>	it's output is like this : http://aoc.wikia.com/wiki/AoCWiki:Vandalism
[06:35:10] <Daworm>	There could be a "neat"er way to do it, but it got the job done.
[06:35:41] <Cait>	alright, lemme see if it'll work for me =D
[06:38:24] <Daworm>	Cait
[06:38:29] <Daworm>	see this : http://dpaste.org/c4Ip/
[06:38:30] <Cait>	Hm
[06:38:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) how to display underscore in username. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19612 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mitulkoradia)
[06:39:45] <Daworm>	Build your table as you would like one row to display, then hack it up as appropriate.
[06:40:02] <Daworm>	You start with {| for your table then call on {[swordtable}} for styling it
[06:40:41] <Cait>	er, o_o' *confused*   *wiki noob* lemme mess with it and see what i get XD
[06:41:41] <Daworm>	After that you call on {{sword}} template which inside would have something like the following: http://dpaste.org/7qYj/
[06:42:20] <Daworm>	Doing so if you don't put an entry for |level=7 or |name=abc, it would in turn display a simple dash.
[06:42:37] <Daworm>	so it's {{sword|name=abc|level=2|.....}}
[06:43:01] <Splarka>	wtfbbq @ 19612, bugzilla isn't a support forum
[06:44:14] <Daworm>	addtionally - sorry if me and Cait are derailing this thread.
[06:44:30] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) how to display underscore in username. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19612  +comment (10herd)
[06:44:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users with underscores in their usernames are unable to log in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3516  +comment (10herd)
[06:54:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users with underscores in their usernames are unable to log in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3516  (10mitulkoradia)
[06:55:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) how to display underscore in username. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19612  (10mitulkoradia)
[07:31:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgFlaggedRevsPatrolNamespaces has no effect in watchlists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19241  (10gtisza)
[08:18:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) No e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19613 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (beau)
[08:29:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Save Button grey - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19577  +comment (10markus.albert)
[08:32:30] <Nikerabbit>	morning
[08:34:44] <str4nd>	mui Nikerabbit
[08:49:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions, show/hide, and visual/html diff should be links, not buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10matthew.flaschen)
[09:00:04] <Boudewijn>	guys, $wgMessageCache->addMessages() does not work anymore in 1.16
[09:00:18] <Boudewijn>	what is the new alternative?
[09:04:49] <Boudewijn>	just use the languagefiles?
[09:13:54] <werdna>	yes, that's what you're supposed to do
[09:36:31] <Boudewijn>	it works..
[09:36:51] <Boudewijn>	is it possible to included languagefiles in extensionsmaps?
[09:37:02] <Boudewijn>	so it does not get overwritten by an update
[09:51:11] <Nikerabbit>	what is extensionsmaps?
[09:55:53] <Nikerabbit>	Boudewijn
[09:59:55] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: did you know that ini.set( 'apc.enabled', 0 ) does nothing work with recent apcs
[10:03:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Techblog: Favicon is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19614 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[10:03:38] <Nikerabbit>	hi rainman-sr
[10:04:04] <rainman-sr>	morning nike
[10:05:52] <domas>	... amazing
[10:06:27] <Nikerabbit>	what?
[10:19:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) class="selected" in link of current variant is duplicated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19615 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (liangent)
[10:45:28] <my007ms>	hello everyone 
[10:46:07] <my007ms>	i follow instruction in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access and it work fine with me but only in page that have only one word 
[10:46:53] <my007ms>	for example http://www.mywebsite.net/wiki/Main work but http://www.mywebsite.net/wiki/Main_Page not work 
[10:48:45] <my007ms>	hello can someone help :)
[10:49:16] <Platonides>	let me see what regex use that page
[10:50:01] <my007ms>	you mean my .htaccess 
[10:50:23] <Platonides>	which of the options are you using?
[10:50:30] <my007ms>	RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*)$ /w/index.php?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA]
[10:50:30] <my007ms>	RewriteRule ^wiki/*$ /w/index.php [L,QSA]
[10:50:40] <my007ms>	this is the only 2 line i have them there 
[10:51:09] <Platonides>	an underscore should make no difference :s
[10:52:47] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) class="selected" in link of current variant is duplicated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19615  +comment (10hartman)
[10:52:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) portlets have 2x class= when selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19573  +comment (10hartman)
[10:52:50] <my007ms>	for example mysite/wiki/Page or while mysite/wiki/Page_something did not
[10:53:11] <Platonides>	I understand your problem
[10:53:26] <Platonides>	what I don't understand is why they have different behaviors
[10:55:04] <stephan48>	my007ms try replacing the _ with a -
[10:55:30] <my007ms>	stephan48 it work
[10:55:36] <stephan48>	ok
[10:56:01] <my007ms>	yes but this not solve my problem as i ready have many page created 
[10:56:33] <my007ms>	or you mean i will have to remove all page and start from zero 
[10:57:22] <stephan48>	idk
[10:58:24] <TimStarling>	<Nikerabbit> TimStarling: did you know that ini.set( 'apc.enabled', 0 ) does nothing work with recent apcs
[10:58:27] <TimStarling>	no
[11:01:16] <my007ms>	Platonides have you any idea ?
[11:02:24] <Platonides>	nope
[11:02:58] <Platonides>	my007ms, what happens if you place an space?
[11:03:39] <my007ms>	Platonides it's auto replace it with _ and give me error 404
[11:04:16] <Platonides>	the autoreplacement is done by mediawiki, so it reaches the wiki
[11:04:19] <Platonides>	why 404?
[11:04:26] <Platonides>	what is the resultant url?
[11:04:55] <my007ms>	mywebsite/wiki/Main_Page
[11:05:29] <Platonides>	ah, the 'it doesn't work' is a 404
[11:05:43] <my007ms>	yes
[11:07:01] <Splarka>	Page%5Fsomething ?
[11:09:09] <Nikerabbit>	s/nothing work/nothing/
[11:09:11] <Nikerabbit>	bah
[11:10:52] <my007ms>	how i can make wiki replace every _ or - 
[11:11:09] <my007ms>	s/_ with - 
[11:11:30] <my007ms>	as i have problem in _ i need all _ to be replace with -
[11:13:54] <Nikerabbit>	replace where?
[11:14:36] <Platonides>	my007ms, you should try other rewrites
[11:14:55] <my007ms>	and where i can change this 
[11:15:41] <my007ms>	Nikerabbit when i create page for example "test foo" wiki out convert this to "test_foo" in URL
[11:16:30] <Platonides>	and his rewrite handler doesn't support underscores
[11:16:46] <werdna>	that's going to be really tricky
[11:17:04] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[11:17:37] <my007ms>	can not understand what is rewrite problem with underscore 
[11:18:11] <Nikerabbit>	I wonder why he is using PT flag
[11:18:37] <Platonides>	it is designed so other modules (like mod_alias) still work with that url
[11:18:49] <Platonides>	probably unneeded for his setup
[11:18:55] <Nikerabbit>	The PT flag implies the L flag: rewriting will be stopped in order to pass the request to the next phase of processing.
[11:19:18] <werdna>	What *is* PT?
[11:19:26] <my007ms>	Platonides i copy and past from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access 
[11:19:27] <Platonides>	but he doesn't want more rules
[11:19:37] <Platonides>	werdna, see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_rewrite.html
[11:20:00] <Nikerabbit>	as far as I know PT is not used in our examples
[11:20:09] <Nikerabbit>	oh, it is
[11:20:12] <Nikerabbit>	what the heck
[11:20:32] <Nikerabbit>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[11:21:17] <my007ms>	i remove PT and still 404 error for any _ in url
[11:21:55] <Nikerabbit>	it is probably something else what is breaking it
[11:25:26] <Boudewijn>	nikerabbit
[11:25:54] <Platonides>	my007ms, do you have 'RewriteEngine On' ?
[11:26:04] <my007ms>	so to work around this can i make wiki avoid you _ and use -
[11:26:09] <my007ms>	Platonides yes sure
[11:26:29] <Boudewijn>	is there answer on how to put language files in extensions directories?
[11:26:33] <Boudewijn>	with 1.16
[11:26:38] <my007ms>	i have wordpress in the web root 
[11:26:49] <my007ms>	this is maybe have any thing to do with my problem ?
[11:27:19] <Nikerabbit>	Boudewijn: the system has been there since 1.12 or so and there is some documentation
[11:27:36] <Nikerabbit>	my007ms: might be
[11:27:59] <Boudewijn>	 $wgMessageCache->addMessages() does not work anymore
[11:28:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uploads sometimes are incomplete: file is there, but image page is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15430  (10lupo.bugzilla)
[11:28:23] <my007ms>	Nikerabbit i remove wordpress and nothing change 
[11:28:37] <Nikerabbit>	Boudewijn: I know
[11:28:45] <Boudewijn>	but where is the alternative then?
[11:29:04] <Nikerabbit>	Boudewijn: look for example  extensions/examples/FourFileTemplate
[11:29:46] <Nikerabbit>	or almost any other of the hundreds or so extensions supported by translatewiki.net
[11:29:55] <Boudewijn>	ok thanx
[11:30:11] <Nikerabbit>	it is very simple
[11:30:24] <Boudewijn>	I have the example now, thats what I needed
[11:31:11] <Boudewijn>	Nikerabbit, are these file also used in localisationcache?
[11:31:15] <ialex>	PHP is *finally* switching to svn \o/
[11:31:48] <my007ms>	can't i avoid you _ and use - 
[11:32:06] <my007ms>	this is configurable or not 
[11:32:19] <Nikerabbit>	my007ms: your efforts are better spend fixing the real cause instead of doing workarounds
[11:32:34] <Nikerabbit>	Boudewijn: extensions was the main reason why localisation cache was done
[11:32:38] <Nikerabbit>	were
[11:32:53] <Boudewijn>	explain.
[11:33:04] <Nikerabbit>	why?
[11:33:07] <Nikerabbit>	it was slow
[11:33:22] <Nikerabbit>	and a mess
[11:33:25] <Boudewijn>	are the extensions cached in database now?
[11:33:48] <Nikerabbit>	they are cached, but where is up to your configuration
[11:34:05] <Boudewijn>	I still use the old config file of 1.13
[11:34:17] <Boudewijn>	how do I switch to the fasten config?
[11:34:23] <Boudewijn>	fastest
[11:34:38] <Nikerabbit>	why are you using trunk if you don't read release notes?
[11:35:03] <Nikerabbit>	I can't know what is the fastest configuration for you
[11:35:06] <Boudewijn>	because I get better answers here
[11:35:57] <Nikerabbit>	yeah, and no new cool features while I'm occupied helping you :o
[11:36:36] <Boudewijn>	releasenotes are not exactly manuals
[11:38:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SpecialActiveusers.php counts wrong (adds one edit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19616 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (accnospamtom)
[11:39:26] <Nikerabbit>	Boudewijn: but they contain a lot of useful information and pointers
[11:40:14] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r52970 10/trunk/extensions/UserOptionStats/SpecialUserOptionStats.php: call setHeaders() and outputHeader() to set page's title
[11:43:37] <Boudewijn>	Nikerabbit: should is it necessary to use $wgCacheDirectory and setup /cache
[11:43:52] <Boudewijn>	-should
[11:49:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parserTests.php fails when l10n_cache is populated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19574  (10N/A)
[11:49:43] <Nikerabbit>	Boudewijn: if you don't want to use database cache
[11:52:46] <Boudewijn>	thanx!
[11:59:53] <avar>	Nikerabbit: Does translatewiki do bidirectional syncing between mw svn and translatewiki
[12:01:17] <Nikerabbit>	avar: yes, manually
[12:01:52] <Nikerabbit>	avar: what do you have in your mind?
[12:01:53] <avar>	Ah, so it's easier of course if you just decree that everything must be done on the wiki & then you dump the php source :)
[12:02:19] <Nikerabbit>	declare?
[12:02:22] <avar>	I'm just writing a ML post to the OSM mailing list where people are complaining about manually editing files to translate, suggesting to use the wiki
[12:02:28] <Nikerabbit>	we did that before
[12:03:09] <Nikerabbit>	avar: which files?
[12:05:08] <avar>	Nikerabbit: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/rails_port/config/locales/
[12:05:43] <Nikerabbit>	avar: yeah, talk to atglenn, he is working on yaml format support
[12:05:43] <avar>	Nikerabbit: It's trivial to write a dumper/loader for that format: http://code.google.com/p/spyc/
[12:05:50] <avar>	ah:)
[12:06:16] <avar>	Does translatewiki offer DB dumps, and are there any restrictions on what licenses the translations can be under (like launchpad requiring BSD)
[12:06:38] <Nikerabbit>	well, it's a bit on the air
[12:06:58] <Nikerabbit>	we just require that people accept that translations are licenced suitable for the target project
[12:09:59] <werdna>	hey yannf 
[12:10:05] <Platonides>	translations should be GPL-compatible 
[12:10:06] <Platonides>	but people should be able to change the mediawiki: namespace with the wiki license
[12:10:29] <Platonides>	plus people also include trasnlations that were previously on wmf wikis
[12:14:24] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r52971 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): Take out maxRevertedEdits for $wgFlaggedRevsAutoconfirm
[12:17:24] <Nikerabbit>	Platonides: I claim single translation is not worth of copyright
[12:17:47] <avar>	Nikerabbit: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-July/016127.html
[12:17:53] <Nikerabbit>	it is in our best interest that translations don't have any restrictions
[12:17:58] <Nikerabbit>	for use in translation memories etc
[12:18:36] <Nikerabbit>	avar: nice words
[12:18:54] <Nikerabbit>	indeed our target audience are not computer nerds, but normal people and collaboration
[12:31:47] <Albert>	hallo
[12:32:17] <Albert>	I want to change something in the commons.js and at the skin monobook.js
[12:32:29] <Albert>	But what is the URL for it, that I can find this sites?
[12:34:11] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Monobook.js
[12:34:32] <Splarka>	link to it, like [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js]], or pop the name in the search box
[12:34:35] <Splarka>	it is shipped empty
[12:34:55] <Nikerabbit>	with a comment
[12:35:21] <Albert>	ah! thank you
[12:35:28] <Albert>	and what was the other?
[12:35:41] <Albert>	common.js and something other an the ending
[12:35:44] <Albert>	.??
[12:35:51] <Albert>	*at
[12:36:51] <Splarka>	?
[12:37:41] <Albert>	the css file was it ;)
[12:38:34] <Splarka>	same, replace .js with .css
[12:38:41] <Albert>	okay thank you. Now I remember 
[12:38:45] <Splarka>	[[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]]
[12:39:09] <Albert>	right! That is what I'm looking for. Thank you very much. :)
[12:59:22] <BlackWolf>	Hi guys! it seems like I got some problems with the PHP after installation of MediaWiki on my server. does someone have a clue to how to solve this, so that other subdomains/domains won't keep popping out the .php files for download??
[13:00:29] <werdna>	I would help you if you actually explained what your problems were.
[13:00:37] <werdna>	You just said you had problems.
[13:00:42] <werdna>	That isn't very useful
[13:01:15] <BlackWolf>	read: http://www.urog.org/files/text/mail.txt and http://www.urog.org/files/text/webmail.txt . these are the lines that causes the problems
[13:01:42] <BlackWolf>	but I don't find them anywhere
[13:02:12] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[13:02:17] <Nikerabbit>	how about you read it?
[13:02:18] <Nikerabbit>	* If you are reading this in your web browser, your server is probably
[13:02:18] <Nikerabbit>	* not configured correctly to run PHP applications!
[13:02:56] <BlackWolf>	Nikerabbit: the server is *nix based and PHP is a *nix based serverside language, right?
[13:03:16] <Nikerabbit>	you need to configure your server so that docroot for other domains is different
[13:03:35] <BlackWolf>	huh?
[13:04:15] <Nikerabbit>	if you have managed to set the main site different so that it works, you should be able to change the docroot for other domainss too
[13:05:15] <BlackWolf>	each domain and subdomain got the samekind of settings, some are a bit different sure, but otherwise everything is the same with safe_mode off etc
[13:10:27] <BlackWolf>	the serverside management (technicians) naggs all the time that I need to re-install the entire server, but most of you know how long time it will take to configure the mediawiki so this is kinda out of question atm for me, because otherwise I have to pay 22 euro for a backup while re-installing the server. there are like 5GB used space of 50GB and that takes time to copy every single file, line, variable, database et
[13:20:08] <Nikerabbit>	wtf
[13:20:22] <BlackWolf>	?
[13:20:30] <Nikerabbit>	I can set up mediawiki in 15 minutes
[13:21:42] <BlackWolf>	sure, you got the experience but I don't ^^ first time installation for me...
[13:22:16] <Nikerabbit>	true
[13:22:16] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: my record was about 10.
[13:22:21] <^demon>	maybe less-ish
[13:22:46] <BlackWolf>	^demon even with all the templates, categories etc included?
[13:23:02] <^demon>	setup != populate with content
[13:26:23] <BlackWolf>	so, no one has a clue what lines these mail.txt and webmail.txt are talking about?
[13:26:39] <^demon>	whats mail and webmail.txt?
[13:27:36] <BlackWolf>	http://www.urog.org/files/text/mail.txt and /webmail.txt
[13:27:51] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52972 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (9 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[13:27:51] <CIA-58>	* Add thread-splitting mechanism (TODO write merging functionality)
[13:27:51] <CIA-58>	* When bulk-loading a thread, also bulk-load all subthreads.
[13:27:51] <CIA-58>	* When renaming a thread, poke the subject in subthreads too (includes lazy update to fix corruption).
[13:27:51] <CIA-58>	* When moving a thread, make sure the article info is fixed for all subthreads too (includes lazy update to fix corruption).
[13:27:55] <CIA-58>	* Fix hasDistinctSubject, is useless and seems to have several bugs. Now just a wrapper for isTopmost()
[13:27:57] <CIA-58>	* Refactor MoveThread to be a subclass of a new special-page type, ThreadActionPage (TODO convert DeleteThread).
[13:30:05] <^demon>	it looks like the entry point as a txt file....?
[13:33:51] <BlackWolf>	it's a dump from the serverside technicians who said that these lines are making conflicts on the other subdomains and domains on the server and I "have to re-install" the entire server, which is unlikely because the possibility of loosing all files, databases, email, domains, subdomains etc and making a backup would cost me 22 euro for each 15 minute.. the conflict is that when attempting to go to e.g. http://mail.ur
[13:35:48] <avar>	werdna: When will you be able to use php 5.3 in mw ?:)
[13:37:35] <werdna>	avar: soon, I hope :PP
[13:38:55] <BlackWolf>	^demon: any solution?
[13:39:51] <^demon>	BlackWolf: i have no clue what your techs are saying, it doesnt make sense.
[13:41:31] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52973 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/includes/DT_GlobalFunctions.php: "Has XML grouping" now gets initialized as a special SMW property
[13:42:13] <BlackWolf>	^demon: if you want, you can chat with them yourself ^^
[13:42:30] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52974 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/includes/DT_Settings.php: Added initialization of content language
[13:44:43] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52975 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/specials/DT_ViewXML.php: Added support for SMW 1.4.2 and higher, removed support for previous versions of SMW
[13:45:08] <CIA-58>	03philip * r52976 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[13:49:09] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52977 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/specials/ (DT_ImportCSV.php DT_ImportXML.php): Removed initialization of content language - now done elsewhere
[13:53:27] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52978 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/INSTALL: New version: 0.3.2
[13:57:26] <CIA-58>	03jan * r52979 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (Poll.i18n.php Poll_body.php): Bugfixes for Poll extension
[13:57:58] <BlackWolf>	prkl
[14:03:08] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r52980 10/tags/extensions/DataTransfer/REL_0_3_2/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Tag for version 0.3.2
[14:05:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19613  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[14:10:51] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52981 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtNewMessages.php: Always set newtalk for new thread notifications, not just for user talk pages.
[14:11:53] <^demon>	Gmail's out of beta?
[14:13:17] <BlackWolf>	is it possible to export the database for MediaWiki and then import it again so that everything works properly after making an re-installation of the server??
[14:14:47] <^demon>	Yes.
[14:16:03] <my007ms>	can i make mediewiki none case sensitive in URL
[14:22:09] <BlackWolf>	^demon: does the database include all the templates and categories or are these files?
[14:23:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19613  (10danny.leinad)
[14:26:33] <^demon>	BlackWolf: yes, all of them. images are stored in the images/ directory obviously.
[14:26:33] <thierry_>	hi, I'm trying to create a php script to automatically generate some pages on our wikimedia, at this point it works perfectly on my localhost without any login but it fails on our server with a lack of permission error, what do I do wrong?
[14:27:14] <thierry_>	by the way I use the mediawiki API
[14:33:04] <GreenReaper|work>	thierry_: You need to give your user the necessary permission? Usually bot will be sufficient, but not always. Perhaps you also need to enable the write API.
[14:33:14] <GreenReaper|work>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableWriteAPI
[14:34:25] <thierry_>	GreenReaper|work : yes I knew for the enable the write API, how can I change the permission for the user?
[14:36:46] <^demon>	thierry_: are you logging in to the api before attempting to use it?
[14:38:01] <thierry_>	^demon : well at first on my localhost I wasn't but when I saw it failing on the server I added a login first yes... I was also wondering if I had to pass some information receive from the login result to the other action after?
[14:38:24] <thierry_>	received*
[14:39:35] *werdna 	breaks 51 test cases
[14:40:30] <GreenReaper|work>	You may have to set cookies based on the result if you are not doing that already.
[14:40:49] <GreenReaper|work>	Otherwise it will not know you are the person who logged in.
[14:42:13] <thierry_>	GreenReaper|work : yeah I tought of the cookie thing but I have no idea how to make it work, is there any doc on that anywhere?
[14:45:04] <^demon>	werdna: whoo :)
[14:45:38] <^demon>	thierry_: i believe you do, but dont quote me :)
[14:45:39] <GreenReaper>	What are you using to connect, Snoopy?
[14:46:42] <GreenReaper>	If so it's just something like snoopy->setcookies(); after you've confirmed that $results['login']['result'] == 'Success'
[14:47:11] <GreenReaper>	where $results = unserialize(snoopy->results);
[14:47:21] <thierry_>	well I'm using curl right now
[14:47:24] <GreenReaper>	(snoopy being either $snoopy or whatever)
[14:47:25] <GreenReaper>	OK.
[14:47:51] <thierry_>	is snoopy simpler?
[14:48:43] *^demon 	is considering killing ss_admins, since he's already working on site_stats
[14:49:04] <GreenReaper>	It's a PHP class that's used for integrated web access.
[14:49:52] <GreenReaper>	I think if you're using curl commands you can use -c cookies.txt to write cookies gained in an access to a file, and then -b cookies.txt to read from it.
[14:50:12] <GreenReaper>	You can use both in the same call if you may be both getting and setting cookies.
[14:50:20] <GreenReaper>	But I have no experience with curl.
[14:50:53] <CIA-58>	03thomasv * r52982 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: do not trim ordinary whitespaces
[14:51:44] <thierry_>	GreenReaper : alright I look at that, thanks for your help :)
[14:52:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgFlaggedRevsPatrolNamespaces has no effect in watchlists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19241  (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:55:51] *werdna 	wins
[14:55:51] <werdna>	Passed 211 of 557 tests (37.88%)... 346 tests failed!
[14:59:51] <^demon>	werdna: you broke it :p
[15:00:03] <werdna>	yeah a little bit
[15:00:59] <^demon>	i've really got to fix this svn issue at work. Not being able to co or commit is getting old real quick.
[15:01:00] <werdna>	I'm temporarily decoding > to > so I can use it as a prefix for block quoting (like *, #, ;, :)
[15:01:09] <werdna>	only problem is that there are existing >s
[15:01:18] <werdna>	from links and real HTML tags.
[15:01:49] <werdna>	so I thought I'd temporarily armour the existing >s by converting them to something, the obvious candidate is > since it's obviously not going to be used by anything :)
[15:02:01] <^demon>	hmm.
[15:02:04] <werdna>	for some reason that ain't working though
[15:02:23] <werdna>	I'm using this line for both encoding and decoding
[15:02:24] <werdna>	$oLine = strtr( $oLine, array( '>' => '>', '>' => '>' ) );
[15:03:45] <werdna>	It's in Parser::doBlockLevels, my patch (before I noticed colliding >s) is at http://werdn.us/~andrew/patches/leading-gt-blockquote.txt
[15:04:50] *^demon 	looks
[15:04:50] <werdna>	Other ideas: decode > to something other than >, some random unicode char.
[15:05:56] <^demon>	That could maybe work...i dunno.
[15:06:19] <^demon>	i'm not familiar with the parser at all, really.
[15:06:38] <werdna>	neither am I, but I understand doBlockLevels now
[15:13:50] <werdna>	^FOUND THE BUG
[15:14:00] <werdna>	^demon: found the bug :P
[15:16:12] <werdna>	\o/
[15:16:25] <TC-nbigelow>	is there such thing as wiki sessions?
[15:16:55] <TC-nbigelow>	because I'm trying to use $_SESSION[] for files but it isn't working with my Special page.
[15:18:03] <werdna>	yes, sessions exist
[15:18:10] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52983 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/parser/Parser.php maintenance/parserTests.txt): * Allow leading-> as syntax for quoting.
[15:18:19] <werdna>	argh, release-notes
[15:19:19] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r52984 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Release notes updates for r52983
[15:23:08] <TC-nbigelow>	well how would i use them if i'm trying to pass a file that I got from $wgRequest->getFileTempName('file')
[15:23:47] <werdna>	I don't really know, try reading the code
[15:23:59] <werdna>	you may need to do wfSetupSession() first :)
[15:24:09] <werdna>	(we don't always init a session)
[15:24:29] <^demon>	\o/
[15:24:34] <BlackWolf>	I found my problem ^demon, one of the Aliases are f*cking up the entire server...
[15:25:00] <^demon>	BlackWolf: aliases will do that :)
[15:25:30] <BlackWolf>	^demon: any idea how to make the mediawiki to work properly w/o aliases?
[15:26:26] <^demon>	rewrite rules in htaccess is what most people use
[15:26:34] <TC-nbigelow>	werdna, i can't find any documentation about it though :/
[15:27:21] <BlackWolf>	^demon: how do I make such .htaccess file then, that works properly?
[15:28:37] <^demon>	BlackWolf: you'l have to read up on how rewrite rules work.
[15:28:50] <^demon>	!shorturl | BlackWolf
[15:28:50] --mwbot--	BlackWolf: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[15:29:00] <^demon>	^ some suggestions there ^
[15:33:55] <BlackWolf>	hmm.. I don't get any smarter of this :/
[15:38:06] <BlackWolf>	^demon: which part is for http://domain.tld/wiki/ of these .htaccess settings you're talking about? *lost*
[15:39:14] <^demon>	it'll be in your root, because wiki/ shouldnt exist in reality (assuming you've installed to w/)
[15:41:32] <BlackWolf>	^demon: I have it in /w and I want it to show up as /wiki... so which shall I use? I'm running a Virtual Root Server (VRS) with Debian Etch, if that helps out a bit!?
[15:42:15] <Duesentrieb>	BlackWolf: use the standard non-root setup. i.e. the one using the rewrite module
[15:43:08] <Duesentrieb>	BlackWolf: this one: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[15:43:33] <BlackWolf>	Duesentrieb: you mean: Page_title_--_no_root_access so I get /w/index.php?title=Page loaded instead?
[15:43:56] <Duesentrieb>	"loaded instead"? instead of what?
[15:44:07] <BlackWolf>	instead of /wiki/Page
[15:44:17] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[15:44:30] <Duesentrieb>	/wiki/Page will refer to /w/index.php?title=Page
[15:44:33] <Duesentrieb>	that'S what rewriting is for
[15:45:00] <BlackWolf>	so when I check a page I get /wiki/Page by the RW ?
[15:47:47] <BlackWolf>	thanks, it works :D
[16:09:31] <pgib>	will you guys help with url rewriting? I have it almost working, except some requests come back with: Raw pages must be accessed through the primary script entry point.
[16:11:46] <pgib>	The pages seem to work, these requests are subsequent requests from the article page which actually does work.  mediawiki is installed in htdocs/mediawiki and my rewriting url is htdocs/wiki.  Here is my httpd and LocalSettings: http://pastebin.com/d1b35f2ba
[16:11:54] <pgib>	Thanks alot guys. Your wiki software is terrific
[16:14:50] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems | pgib
[16:14:50] --mwbot--	pgib: 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[16:16:01] <Duesentrieb>	pgib: looks like your wgSCriptPath is wrong. it must point to the phisical path. /mediawiki in your case, i guess
[16:16:19] <Duesentrieb>	also, you are using some rather od sceme... use the default/failsafe
[16:20:06] <pgib>	well, that was despirate attempts to get it to work. I reverted my changes and followed the instructions on link 1. (replaced /w with /mediawiki) now all the dependents are fine
[16:20:40] <pgib>	however, I still have one rather odd issue.  The article-page itself has status code 404, although the page's body is returned and the page displays properly
[16:20:44] *AaronSchulz 	gave up with php 5.3
[16:21:11] <ialex>	what's the problem ?
[16:21:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create public mailing list for Wikimedia Finland - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19617 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (str4nd)
[16:21:51] <AaronSchulz>	it crashes apache 2.2.11
[16:21:52] <chuck>	who was doing the image compression yesterday?
[16:21:55] <AaronSchulz>	on start
[16:22:08] *AaronSchulz 	sticks with 5.2.9-2
[16:22:22] <chuck>	RoanKattouw: http://www.smush.it/
[16:23:21] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: chuck suggests http://www.smush.it/ for image compression
[16:24:28] <chuck>	No, I'm not suggesting it, I just heard someone tweet about it and thought it might be able to help streamline or better compress things ;-)
[16:24:52] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[16:25:00] <chuck>	:P
[16:25:20] <pgib>	well I'm just going to ignore this 404 since the response actually contains the expected HTML. Hopefully it doesn't confuse any browsers
[16:27:42] <leche>	hey, can anybody name me a posibility of having a external static cgi-script inside mediawiki?
[16:28:46] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52985 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.css: Fixed IE compatibility problem with button rendering.
[16:30:07] <zocky>	!transparenttag
[16:30:07] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "transparenttag".
[16:30:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Creation of Meadow Mari Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19515  +comment (10tstarling)
[16:31:43] <AaronSchulz>	ialex: ugh, maybe php 6 will actually run
[16:31:54] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=45293&edit=1
[16:32:29] <ialex>	AaronSchulz: I have problem with PHP 6
[16:32:42] <ialex>	tried to compile 10 minutes ago
[16:32:52] <ialex>	but lot of undefined symbols
[16:33:20] *AaronSchulz 	loves stuff that doesn't compile
[16:33:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Set $aliases['en']['AbuseFilter'] = array( 'EditFilter', 'AbuseFilter' ) for enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19618 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (happy-melon)
[16:38:16] <AaronSchulz>	MessageCache::get: Invalid message key of type NULL
[16:38:27] <AaronSchulz>	grrr...those exceptions are getting annoying
[17:08:44] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52986 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Fixed IE bug that caused some rendering problems with floated content because of the assumed width of bodyContent.
[17:15:44] <Nikerabbit>	hi my007ms
[17:15:59] <my007ms>	:) Nikerabbit hi
[17:16:17] <Nikerabbit>	did you figure out anything?
[17:16:56] <my007ms>	Nikerabbit yes it work but i don't know what is my problem was 
[17:17:25] <my007ms>	this is how my htaccess look like now
[17:17:26] <my007ms>	RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*)$ /w/index.php?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA]
[17:17:26] <my007ms>	RewriteRule ^wiki/*$ /w/index.php [L,QSA]
[17:17:33] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52987 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/SpecialOptIn.php: OptIn: Add a class to the intro message
[17:19:00] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52988 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.css: Added CSS rules to styleize the introduction.
[17:19:04] <my007ms>	Nikerabbit backward compatibility not working is this look right for you " RewriteRule ^wiki/index\.php\?title\=(.*)$ /wiki/$1 [R,L]"
[17:20:04] <Nikerabbit>	I'm not an expert, but make sure it comes before other rules, and it is not the final rule?
[17:22:01] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52989 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.css: Added CSS to control the background color of the special page in cases where it's being set to something other than white, such as on en.wikipedia.org.
[17:22:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Adding logo to Tamil Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19619 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (sundarbecse)
[17:23:22] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52990 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.i18n.php: Removed unwanted information.
[17:31:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Adding logo to Tamil Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19619  +comment (10sundarbecse)
[17:37:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) zh.wikipedia.org unusable for text browser users due to massive vocabulary lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19453  normal->major; normal->high; +comment (10jidanni)
[17:41:03] <thedj>	TrevorParscal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Vector.css#Logo
[17:41:18] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52991 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/SpecialOptIn.php: Refactored a bit to allow use of certain functions from other hooks, and also to limit access to others.
[17:48:49] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52992 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/SpecialOptIn.php: Reduced the amount of aesthetic changes to make a merge easier.
[17:51:30] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52993 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.i18n.php SpecialOptIn.php): OptIn: Commit WIP
[17:51:41] <Jinx>	if i set $wgEmailConfirmToEdit = true; ... and then do $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['emailconfirmed']         = true; ... shouldn't that allow sysops to edit?
[17:51:59] <Jinx>	regardless of whether or not they have confirmed
[17:52:06] <RoanKattouw>	Jinx: No
[17:52:23] <RoanKattouw>	People who have confirmed their e-mail automatically get 'emailconfirmed', but it doesn't work vice versa
[17:53:10] <Jinx>	oh, it looks like it actually ended support for that in 1.13
[17:53:17] <Jinx>	that's kind of silly
[17:54:00] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52994 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/SpecialOptIn.php: OptIn: Fix stupid mistake
[17:54:14] <Jinx>	the page should really highlight that item as no longer in use
[17:54:27] <Jinx>	that is, www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights
[17:54:51] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52995 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.hooks.php OptIn.php SpecialOptIn.php): Refactored a bit to allow use of certain functions from other hooks, and also to limit access to others.
[17:55:24] <GreenReaper>	Should be user privileges. Rights makes it sound like they can't be taken away ;-p
[17:55:47] <Nikerabbit>	and priviledges cannot?
[17:55:53] <Jinx>	heh, well now you're just getting in semantics :)
[17:56:16] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: r52987 looks like perfect fit for wrapWikiMsg
[17:56:18] <Jinx>	i take it then that there is no way to enable EmailConfirmToEdit for normal users but not special groups?
[17:57:05] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: What does that function do?
[17:57:30] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: addWikiMsg with a wrap
[17:57:49] <RoanKattouw>	Example usage? I'm sorry, I suck at these i18n things
[17:57:52] <Nikerabbit>	wrapWikiMsg( '<div class="foo">$1</div>, 'foo-optin' );
[17:58:19] <Nikerabbit>	be sure to add \n$1\n though, if there is change that there is wiki markup that needs to be at line start
[17:58:50] <RoanKattouw>	There probably is
[17:59:09] <RoanKattouw>	There's a couple of other places where I did the same thing, I'll fix that later
[17:59:46] <my007ms>	is there method allow me to edit page title without changing it's name ?
[18:01:32] <Jinx>	well, if i understand correctly, as of 1.14, 'emailconfirmed' is no longer an attribute/privelege, but only a groupname... if that's the case: is there a way to use $wgAutopromote to automatically include sysops in the emailconfirmed group?
[18:04:55] <Nikerabbit>	wrong :o
[18:05:02] <Nikerabbit>	see Special:ListGroupRights
[18:06:52] <Jinx>	? i see nothing there about emailconfirmed
[18:07:50] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52996 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.i18n.php SpecialOptIn.php): OptIn: Switch title based on opted in/out status
[18:08:11] <elysianfields44>	I was wondering, if I need to use sajax_do_call (the MW AJAX call function) to send a request to a standalone script (i.e. not to a function within the same file), is that possible?
[18:09:03] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52997 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.hooks.php OptIn.i18n.php): Added user-tools link to opt-out whenever opted in.
[18:09:10] <Jinx>	Nikerabbit: ok, on my wiki i see "emailconfirmed (emailconfirmed)"
[18:09:18] <Jinx>	but it doesn't function
[18:09:47] <Jinx>	i see no group titled 'emailconfirmed' ... is it a group or an attribute?
[18:10:01] <Jinx>	either way... can i give the group/attribute to sysops automatically?
[18:10:52] <Nikerabbit>	Jinx: as far as I can see emailconfirmed is not a right that is used anywhere in the core
[18:11:31] <Jinx>	then what is $wgEmailConfirmToEdit ?
[18:12:33] <Nikerabbit>	it is just a global
[18:12:39] <Subfader>	reuires users to confirm their e-mail address  in order to edit
[18:12:43] <Subfader>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit']              = false;
[18:12:49] <Subfader>	$wgGroupPermissions['emailconfirmed']['edit'] = true;
[18:13:26] <Jinx>	heh, i know what it does
[18:13:27] <charitwo>	$wgGroupPermissions['annemarie']['edit'] = false;
[18:13:29] <Nikerabbit>	but there is no such group by default
[18:13:46] <Jinx>	but what does it actually chec?
[18:13:48] <Jinx>	check*
[18:13:51] <Jinx>	a group or an attribute
[18:14:01] <Jinx>	i'm looking into the code right now i think
[18:14:32] <Jinx>	if ($wgEmailConfirmToEdit && !$wgUser->isEmailConfirmed())
[18:15:54] <Jinx>	the question still remains... where does isEmailConfirmed retreive its value... from an attribute or from belonging to a group
[18:17:03] <Nikerabbit>	Jinx: it checks whether the email is confirmed
[18:17:09] <Jinx>	lol
[18:17:15] <Jinx>	where?
[18:17:17] <Jinx>	in the database?
[18:17:18] <Subfader>	in teh user table f emailconfirmed = 1
[18:17:48] <Jinx>	ok, so either i have to edit that code to allow other conditions
[18:18:18] <Jinx>	or i have to figure out where the db item emailconfirmed is set, and get it to autoset whenever someone is made sysop
[18:18:44] <Jinx>	fun
[18:19:34] <Subfader>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit']              = false;
[18:19:41] <Subfader>	$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['edit'] = true;
[18:19:59] <Jinx>	that will override $wgEmailConfirmToEdit?
[18:20:27] <Subfader>	no idea, try it.
[18:21:04] <Subfader>	but why do you use $wgEmailConfirmToEdit at all if you don*t need it
[18:22:04] <Jinx>	i need it for standard accounts, but not special groups
[18:23:59] <Subfader>	well try * false, emailconfirmed true, sysop true
[18:25:13] <Jinx>	emailconfirmed doesn't seem to be a group afaict
[18:25:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New character conversion tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19620 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (xu.jimmy.wrk)
[18:25:27] <Jinx>	but i'm trying sysop true
[18:25:35] <Jinx>	based on the code i pasted above, though, i don't think it'll work
[18:26:07] <Jinx>	nope
[18:26:36] <Prodego>	Jinx: what are you trying to do?
[18:27:17] <Jinx>	$wgEmailConfirmedToEdit = true;  *except* special groups
[18:27:43] <Jinx>	that is, treat 'emailconfirmed' apparently like it used to be: an attribute instead of a group/db setting
[18:28:33] <Prodego>	emailconfirmed isn't a group
[18:28:36] <Jinx>	erm, i mean: a grouop attribute instead of a group  OR  db setting (can't figure out if it actually is a group)
[18:28:42] <Prodego>	so you can't assign it rights
[18:28:42] <Jinx>	k
[18:28:52] <Jinx>	apparently
[18:29:03] <Prodego>	so what do you want to do?
[18:29:05] <Jinx>	and apparently it's not actually a "right" itself anymore either
[18:29:11] <Jinx>	$wgEmailConfirmedToEdit = true;  *except* special groups
[18:29:20] <Prodego>	ah
[18:29:27] <Jinx>	probably going to require a code edit
[18:29:52] <charitwo>	Jinx, its an implicit group, like autoconfirmed or user
[18:29:57] <Prodego>	out of curiosity, why not just require those groups
[18:30:03] <Prodego>	have email too
[18:30:07] <Prodego>	charitwo: I don't believe it is
[18:30:23] <Jinx>	i noticed something about it being a "hidden" group...
[18:30:49] <Jinx>	and possibly as a group too it seems
[19:39:31] <Jinx>	or at least, $wgEmailConfirmedToEdit doesn't care about the group status
[19:39:32] <charitwo>	Prodego: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgGroupPermissions#Default_values
[19:39:33] <charitwo>	// Implicit group for accounts with confirmed email addresses
[19:39:34] <Prodego>	"// This group has been removed by default in 1.13.0"
[19:39:34] <Jinx>	Prodego: mostly anonymity... 
[19:39:35] <Jinx>	we had no problems until this recent "334 buy x" set of spammers
[19:39:35] <Jinx>	i do plan to add a captcha as well, but i now want normal users to confirm their email
[19:39:35] <Prodego>	Generally if you require everyone else to have email addresses set it is a good practice to require sysops to as well
[19:39:36] <Jinx>	generally i would agree
[19:39:36] <Jinx>	specifically, in thise case, not :)
[19:39:36] <Prodego>	I assume you tried $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['emailconfirmed'] = true;
[19:39:37] <Prodego>	and that is what you were talking about when I joined
[19:39:37] <Jinx>	i did
[19:39:37] <Jinx>	yes
[19:39:37] <Jinx>	i looked at the code change...
[19:39:37] <Jinx>	if ($wgEmailConfirmToEdit && !$wgUser->isEmailConfirmed())
[19:39:37] <Prodego>	Simetrical: you don't happen to know how emailconfirmed works, do you?
[19:39:37] <Jinx>	that's the line i believe
[19:39:37] <Simetrical>	Prodego, sure, it uses autopromotion.
[19:39:37] <Simetrical>	Off by default.
[19:39:37] <Jinx>	and others here have stated that isEmailConfirmed() is from the db
[19:39:37] <Prodego>	it seems to not be working that way
[19:39:37] <Prodego>	that is what I would have expected
[19:39:37] <Jinx>	so either i have to modify the code in that if... or modify what sets the db item
[19:39:37] <Prodego>	Simetrical: Jinx wants to exempt a group from needing to confirm their email to edit
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	yeah that's another option i was thinking might work: can i get certain groups to autopromote to having email confirmed?
[19:39:38] <Simetrical>	Just give that group edit rights in addition to the emailconfirmed edit rights.
[19:39:38] <Simetrical>	$wgGroupPermissions['mygroup']['edit'] = true;
[19:39:38] <Simetrical>	Well, I'm assuming you're using $wgGroupPermissions.
[19:39:38] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r52998 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/SpecialOptIn.php: 
[19:39:38] <CIA-58>	OptIn:
[19:39:38] <CIA-58>	* Put a class on the form
[19:39:38] <CIA-58>	* Move the Opt Out button into the table
[19:39:38] <CIA-58>	* Update static calls
[19:39:38] <Simetrical>	I don't know how $wgEmailConfirmToEdit works.
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	if ($wgEmailConfirmToEdit && !$wgUser->isEmailConfirmed())
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	like that ^
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	:)
[19:39:38] <Prodego>	if emailconfrimed was an implicit group, like autoconfirmed, wouldn't $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['emailconfirmed'] = true; work?
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	i would think so
[19:39:38] <Prodego>	Jinx: try what Simetrical said, $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['edit'] = true; I don't think it will work, but meh
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	(but i know you weren't asking me)
[19:39:38] <Prodego>	confirmed* 
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	no it doesn't work, i tried it :)
[19:39:38] <Prodego>	Simetrical: it seems emailconfirmed is some sort of special thing, which isn't very logical at all
[19:39:38] <Simetrical>	Well, you *can* do things using autopromotion and implicit groups.  Then what I said will work.
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	apparently the emailconfirmed is only retreived from the db now
[19:39:38] <Simetrical>	$wgEmailConfirmToEdit is probably some crufty legacy thing.  It definitely predates autopromotion.
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	and group membership or attributes aren't regarded
[19:39:38] <Nikerabbit>	but nobody has "updated" it yet
[19:39:38] <Prodego>	Simetrical: how would you do it using autopromotion
[19:39:38] <Simetrical>	Prodego, I don't remember, check the docs.  :)
[19:39:38] <Simetrical>	I don't know if it has all the features that $wgEmailConfirmToEdit does, that may have hackish special cases.
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	how about $wgAutoPromote['sysop'] = $wgUser->isEmailConfirmed() ?
[19:39:38] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r52999 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.css SpecialOptIn.php): Added survey form CSS
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	lol
[19:39:38] <Prodego>	Jinx: mkay, I think I see a way to do this
[19:39:38] <Nikerabbit>	that would cause database queries
[19:39:38] <Prodego>	the thing is it would allow the creation of accounts without confirming email
[19:39:38] <Prodego>	hopefully that is ok
[19:39:38] <Prodego>	those accounts wouldn't be able to edit
[19:39:38] <Jinx>	well, they already can create acounts
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	i haven't seen a way yet to disable creation of accounts
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#Examples
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	take a look at that second example
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	set EmailConfirmToEdit off
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	and then add that example
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	you would also want to add $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['edit'] = true;
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	interesting
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	that does look like it could work
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	i'll give it a shot :)
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	by the way...
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	is there a way to make it so they can't create accounts? the other day i was told the only way to do that is to install a CAPTCHA extension
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	it'd be nice if they had to confirm the email *before* the account was created
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	(though i'll probably want to install that CAPTCHA either way)
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	yes, but mediawiki doesn't like to do it
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	hackish solution?
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	it was programmed to be open, and you need an account to confirm an account's email address
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	so far as I know, this is the only way to do it: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	it is probably a bit more than you want
[19:39:39] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53000 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.css SpecialOptIn.php): Fixed some survey form CSS to look better.
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	hm
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	that sounds just like disabling 'createaccount' for all but sysops/bureaucrats
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	(we did that on our other, private wiki)
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	ah
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	i guess that allows the account to be "requested" first
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	whereas ours requires external communication for a request
[19:39:39] <burnninator>	question, is there a way to change the title of an error page on mediawiki?
[19:39:39] <CIA-58>	03dale * r53001 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: removed space in language file
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	noob question here: for group permissions is the * a wildcard or literal? that is... if i do ['group']['edit']=true;  then  ['*']['edit']=false;  ... will it reset 'group' 's permission to false?
[19:39:39] <burnninator>	I have it set so that a login is required to view the wiki. If you go to the main page without logging in, the page title is "Error." I would like to change it if possible.
[19:39:39] <picillo>	Is there a way to bold text that is part of pre statement?
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	burnninator: wouldn't we all... heh... i don't know of any way besides editing the code itself
[19:39:39] <picillo>	Unless there is some other way to add an frame to my examples.
[19:39:39] <RoanKattouw>	Jinx: * is not a wildcard, but a group that all people are in
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	RoanKattouw: ah, so the order of placement in the settings file shouldn't matter
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	thanks :)
[19:39:39] <picillo>	Well I guess it's not as simple as I thought. 
[19:39:39] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r53002 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.i18n.php SpecialOptIn.php): OptIn: Show different titles when a user has just opted in/out
[19:39:39] <_Brun0_2>	Does mediawiki have an admin page?
[19:39:39] <RoanKattouw>	The admin interface is scattered over all special pages, go to [[Special:Specialpages]] for a list
[19:39:39] <_Brun0_2>	RoanKattouw, thank you!
[19:39:39] <burnninator>	So i'm guessing that I am not the first to inquire about this around here, huh?
[19:39:39] <RoanKattouw>	burnninator: Do you want the main page to be viewable or just not say error?
[19:39:39] <burnninator>	just not say the error
[19:39:39] <burnninator>	or just go to the regular login page if they are not logged in, not an error page
[19:39:39] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) No e-mail notifications - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19613  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[19:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgEnotifWatchlist disabled, but option available on preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19468  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[19:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Creation of Meadow Mari Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19515  (10millosh)
[19:39:39] <ialex>	Fatal error: Out of memory (allocated 3932160) at /Users/alexandre/dev/PHP_6/Zend/zend.c:529 (tried to allocate 3031741622 bytes) in /Library/WebServer/Documents/phase3/includes/db/Database.php on line 870
[19:39:39] <ialex>	ouch
[19:39:39] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53003 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.hooks.php: Add a hack to make parsertests work
[19:39:39] <burnninator>	RoanKattouw: I would like it to forward to the standard login page if possible, or just not say "Error" as the page title.
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	Prodego: your suggestion worked :) ... the error message for non-email confirmed users is less easy to follow for not-so-bright users, but it accomplishes what needs doing. thank you :)
[19:39:39] <Prodego>	Jinx: no problem, hopefully someone will make emailconfirmed a bit more normal in the future :)
[19:39:39] <Burnninator_>	got disconnected, did I miss a reply to my question?
[19:39:39] <Nikerabbit>	3 031 741 622
[19:39:39] <Nikerabbit>	what did you do
[19:39:39] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: nothing, just trying PHP 6
[19:39:39] <yang>	I am wondering where can I define the timeout for the users to be logged out of mediawiki ?
[19:39:39] <_Brun0_2>	I made a custom authentication plugin and I think all users are being logged as normal users (not admins). How can I tell mediawiki that a certain user is admin?
[19:39:39] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53004 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.js: * (bug 19595) make autoInitMaps work again
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	Prodego: heh, yeah. it'd be nice if it could be set as an attribute like it apparently used to be... and not just a user db item. anyway, thanks again :) now tonight i'll have to add the captcha heh
[19:39:39] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53005 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.i18n.php: Changed messages around to use the Acai Beta naming scheme.
[19:39:39] <Jinx>	see ya :)
[19:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgAutoLoadMaps = true is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19595  (10avarab)
[19:39:39] <Maxpower57>	Quick Q: Is there a way to change the outgoing link Icon for links going just for URLs that are going to a specific server?
[19:39:39] <picillo>	Does anyone know how to BOLD out some text that are in <pre> tags?
[19:39:39] <Betacommand>	Maxpower57: yes via css
[19:39:39] <picillo>	Or is there something else that I can use besides <pre> tags to put a frame around my text?
[19:39:39] <Maxpower57>	Betacommand: could you elaborate a bit?
[19:39:39] <Maxpower57>	picillo: use a table or a div, edit the css
[19:39:39] <Betacommand>	Maxpower57: I just saw a thread about this....
[19:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: support for "tags" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19004  (10matthew.britton)
[19:39:39] <CIA-58>	03dale * r53006 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/mvAdvFirefogg.js: moved input box to fixed width (250px) should not wrap ... (eventually should do a table layout so that the input box can predictably use 100% without warping)
[19:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: support for "tags" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19004  high->normal;  +need-review +patch (10matthew.britton)
[19:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgFlaggedRevsPatrolNamespaces has no effect in watchlists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19241  (10gtisza)
[19:39:39] <Betacommand>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-July/043848.html
[19:39:39] <Betacommand>	Maxpower57: thats the start of the thread you need to read
[19:39:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Compare selected versions, show/hide, and visual/html diff should be links, not buttons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16165  (10mike.lifeguard)
[19:39:39] <Nikerabbit>	compare selected versions should be consensus, not buttons
[19:39:39] <yang>	I am wondering where can I define the timeout for the users to be logged out of mediawiki ?
[19:39:39] <yang>	I seem to be logged out every 5 hours from the SSL connection
[19:39:39] <GreenReaper>	I think session cache timeout is a php.ini setting, not a MediaWiki setting. Check for the setting ini.session.cache-expire. But I don't know if that applies differently to SSL.
[19:39:39] <GreenReaper>	could also be session.cache_expire in the ini file itself.
[19:39:39] <_Brun0_2>	How can I add custom side menus to mediawiki?
[19:39:39] <saper>	!sidebar ?
[19:39:39] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[19:39:39] <GreenReaper>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[19:39:39] <yang>	GreenReaper: actually there are only values for mysql cache in that ini
[19:43:32] <alex____>	roan
[19:43:32] <henkdevries>	HELLO
[19:43:37] <henkdevries>	ROANNNNNNNNN
[19:43:38] <alex____>	ben je hier?
[19:45:47] <picillo>	Does anyone know how to BOLD out some text that are in <pre> tags?
[19:46:02] <Nikerabbit>	onks tääl kettää?!
[19:47:00] <_Brun0_2>	Thanks GreenReaper and saper.
[19:48:01] <henkdevries>	ROAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:48:27] <Nikerabbit>	oh the youngs... where are manners today
[19:49:12] <henkdevries>	ROAN HELP ME I HAVE A BUGGGGGGGG 
[19:49:24] <Subfader>	LOLLLLLLL
[19:49:26] <henkdevries>	IN MY COMPUTERRRRRRRRR
[19:49:28] <henkdevries>	SOFTWAREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[19:49:44] <Nikerabbit>	yeah
[19:49:46] <henkdevries>	WHATTTTTTTTT IS GOINGGGGGG ONNNNNNNNNN
[19:49:51] <henkdevries>	NNNNNNNAKED LADIES EVVVVVVVERYWHERE
[19:49:56] <Nikerabbit>	pineapple in your face
[19:49:57] <alex____>	HOLY SHIT ITS MALWARE
[19:50:00] <_Brun0_2>	plz behave.
[19:50:04] <henkdevries>	hahahahahahahahaha
[19:50:07] <henkdevries>	bruno
[19:50:08] <henkdevries>	oh, behave.
[19:50:12] <_Brun0_2>	goto #OmfgIStillUseWIndowsInRetarded
[19:50:17] <henkdevries>	OK
[19:50:20] <alex____>	OK
[19:50:24] <henkdevries>	HOW
[19:50:26] <henkdevries>	DO DO
[19:50:30] <henkdevries>	HOW DO
[19:50:50] <_Brun0_2>	That's not malware, thats weed. You gotta stop it.
[19:50:55] <henkdevries>	WHY
[19:50:59] <henkdevries>	I ALWAYS SMOKE WITH ROAN
[19:51:07] <Subfader>	GOGGLE SUM LOL KITTINZ
[19:51:43] <henkdevries>	ROAN AND I SMOKED 5GR OF PURPLE HAZE THIS AFTERNOON
[19:51:47] <henkdevries>	ROOOOAANNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:51:51] <_Brun0_2>	i see
[19:51:59] <Subfader>	roan is out for lunch as his user status says
[19:52:06] <henkdevries>	roan is my hero
[19:52:10] <SPQRobin>	die hollanders toch :p
[19:52:10] <alex____>	mine too
[19:52:18] <alex____>	hallo robin
[19:52:20] <Nikerabbit>	any staff around?
[19:52:21] <alex____>	zit je ook op de rug
[19:52:24] <henkdevries>	ROAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:52:28] <SPQRobin>	hello
[19:52:30] <Subfader>	you fo_Ol uZ?
[19:52:44] <ROAN-FAN>	ROAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:52:53] <Subfader>	i doubt a mate of roan would post like that in this chanä
[19:52:59] <ROAN-FAN>	wat
[19:53:05] <alex____>	doesnt this have something like pm
[19:53:09] <ROAN-FAN>	i want to pm
[19:53:10] <alex____>	i just want roan to do a beer with us
[19:53:12] <ROAN-FAN>	muchacho
[19:53:28] <_Brun0_2>	Staff?
[19:53:30] <Subfader>	why not sms him. oh dear, these modern times...
[19:53:31] <ROAN-FAN>	muchacho
[19:53:40] <alex____>	dont have his phonenumber, nor msn adress
[19:53:43] <ROAN-FAN>	sms isnt sufficient to roans needs
[19:53:48] <ROAN-FAN>	does anyoone here have roan msn
[19:53:53] <ROAN-FAN>	\o/
[19:54:03] <werdna>	hi
[19:54:27] <werdna>	oops
[19:54:30] <Subfader>	lol
[19:55:56] <Subfader>	werdna, can you have a look at #19607 ?
[19:56:05] <werdna>	what is it?
[19:56:15] <Subfader>	User Prefs not accessable if $wgDefaultUserOptions is used in 1.16a
[19:56:31] <Skizzerz>	!b 19607
[19:56:31] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19607
[19:56:39] <Skizzerz>	laziness ftw
[19:56:57] <Subfader>	k thought # is for chans, tz
[19:57:22] <werdna>	Subfader: you've misused $wgDefaultUserOptions
[19:57:23] <Skizzerz>	Subfader: it is
[19:57:29] <werdna>	You have to add to it, not replace it
[19:57:32] <Subfader>	yes. -thought.
[19:57:57] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) User Prefs not accessable if $wgDefaultUserOptions is used. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19607  +comment (10agarrett)
[19:58:33] <Subfader>	why misused?
[19:59:29] <werdna>	Subfader: I bet you've done $wgDefaultuserOptions = array( 'my' => 'options' );
[19:59:39] <werdna>	You need to do $wgDefaultUserOptions['my'] = 'options';
[19:59:43] <Subfader>	as in manual
[19:59:53] <werdna>	or $wgDefaultUserOptions += array( 'my' => 'options' )
[19:59:56] <werdna>	then the manual is wrong
[20:00:16] <Simetrical>	Subfader, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions#Example
[20:00:20] <Subfader>	oh, I have used them this way since 1.8.2 i guess
[20:00:26] <Subfader>	"... as set in MediaWiki 1.8.0"
[20:00:36] <Simetrical>	It didn't say you should copy that.
[20:00:41] <Simetrical>	It's just for reference.
[20:00:44] <Simetrical>	I'll delete it, it's confusing.
[20:01:01] <Simetrical>	Ah, wait.
[20:01:04] <Subfader>	yep delete it. never had an error though :)
[20:01:11] <Simetrical>	Until we added a new preference.
[20:01:15] <Simetrical>	Then everything broke, as predicted.
[20:08:05] <HeXiLeD>	hi guys 
[20:08:19] <HeXiLeD>	* You have been kicked from #mediawiki by werdna (you should know better) * werdna sets ban on *!*@unaffiliated/hexiled 
[20:08:26] <charitwo>	HeXiLeD: that was a mistake the ban was removed almost immediately
[20:08:37] <HeXiLeD>	oh 
[20:08:44] <HeXiLeD>	mistaken by ?
[20:08:52] <Prodego>	werdna presumably
[20:08:54] <charitwo>	a mis-alias i suspect
[20:09:03] <HeXiLeD>	yes. but with what assumption ?
[20:09:40] <charitwo>	you'll have to ask werdna 
[20:09:58] <HeXiLeD>	if there is any problem let me know. cuz i have no idea why would i be banned here
[20:16:38] <RoanKattouw>	HeXiLeD: I think he tried to ban someone else and banned you instead by accident
[20:28:25] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Invalid HTML on Main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19507  +comment (10jidanni)
[20:28:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) m.wikipedia.org is not validating - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19594  +comment (10jidanni)
[20:29:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add-on: statistics per namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19621 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (alfred.maghi)
[20:30:07] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53007 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.hooks.php OptIn.i18n.php): Added opt-in link to header.
[20:40:30] <picillo>	Does anyone know how to BOLD out some text that are in <pre> tags?
[20:42:01] <RoanKattouw>	picillo: You can't
[20:42:17] <RoanKattouw>	<pre> is for markup-less stuff
[20:42:29] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: it is actually possible
[20:42:36] <RoanKattouw>	It is?
[20:42:37] <Nikerabbit>	just can't remember how exactly
[20:43:20] <picillo>	RoanKattouw:How would I got about setting up a text frame/box (like <pre> where I can edit the text in the frame?
[20:43:29] <Alphos>	apart from creating a div that would match all of <pre>'s css attributes, i don't see how
[20:43:35] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: at least it works fine with " " pre
[20:43:40] <picillo>	Nikerabbit: Yeah, if you know how. Please let me know.
[20:43:49] <Nikerabbit>	not with the <pre> tags probably
[20:44:21] <zeefreak1>	can someone help me figure out an issue? at some point in the near past my wiki simply stopped working. browing to the main page i get a page, but there is no code being sent, its just blank. i see no think being logged in the apache logs [which is the only place i know that i might find logs.]
[20:44:39] <zeefreak1>	i have no idea why the wiki suddenly went down.
[20:44:42] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53008 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.hooks.php OptIn.php): Added global configs to set if the personal tools link for opting in and out should be always or never visible.
[20:48:21] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53009 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.hooks.php: Used better way of building local url.
[20:49:27] <Subfader>	zeefreak1: this can have lots of reasons
[20:50:06] <zeefreak1>	hehe yeah i assumed that, but with no logs its hard to narrow down.
[20:50:25] <Subfader>	installed an extension recently? upgraded? changed core code?
[20:50:46] <Subfader>	i'd start with localsettings 
[20:51:17] <Subfader>	and esp why do just realize it now ("after months")
[20:51:55] <zeefreak1>	Subfader: i removed localsettings and i'm unable to reconfig. it says checking php, and then eof
[20:52:21] <Subfader>	you removed localsettings.php?
[20:52:25] <zeefreak1>	yarp
[20:52:44] <Subfader>	might be the solution. MAYBE :D
[20:54:11] <zeefreak1>	not floowing you. i can't even reconfig because the web installer isn't able to finish its checks.
[20:54:19] <zeefreak1>	i'm not sure what it does after checking php version.
[20:56:19] <Subfader>	i must pass at this point. wait for some of the more experienced users here help you out
[21:00:21] <ialex>	http://svn.php.net/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[21:02:24] <Alphos>	ialex : Git: 	Are you kidding me?
[21:02:25] <Alphos>	:D
[21:02:26] <atglenn>	wow
[21:02:34] <ialex>	Alphos: yeah :)
[21:02:55] <avar>	Interesting that people are actually still switching *to* svn
[21:03:57] <ialex>	but svn was up some hours ago
[21:04:13] <GreenReaper>	Well, if you've had a long-term project in a CVS repository and all your tools are setup to use it, people are probably not that eager to switch over for no compelling reason.
[21:08:21] <Alphos>	following that statement, "if you've had a long-term commitment in a MS Office environment, and all your computers are using Windows 98, maybe it's time to switch for something else, perhaps a little less old and expensive" would work fine... :/
[21:08:51] <GreenReaper>	Well, it's probably time to buy a new computer with Windows 7 preloaded.
[21:09:05] <Alphos>	or linux with open office :/
[21:09:12] <ialex>	:)
[21:09:13] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r53010 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.js OptIn.php OptIn.sql SpecialOptIn.php): 
[21:09:13] <CIA-58>	OptIn:
[21:09:13] <CIA-58>	* Add checkbox support to survey
[21:09:13] <CIA-58>	* SCHEMA CHANGE: Change optin_survey.ois_answer to a text field
[21:10:21] <Alphos>	of course, open office with a firewall would please christine albanel, but ...
[21:10:42] <GreenReaper>	Better yet, run OpenOffice *on* your firewall.
[21:11:01] *Alphos 	still has tears coming in his eyes when he thinks of that :�)
[21:12:17] <Alphos>	"seriously, did she just say what I think she just said ?"
[21:13:03] <ialex>	Alphos: not sure that everybody know what you're talking about ;)
[21:13:19] <Alphos>	at least you do :p
[21:13:25] <ialex>	hehe :)
[21:14:35] <avar>	http://wiki.php.net/rfc/phpvcs?rev=1226582820
[21:18:49] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53011 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.i18n.php: Improved the "What has been improved?" content.
[21:19:38] <avar>	Oh wow, the php team really isn't helping their retard reputation are they: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/phpvcs?rev=1226582820
[21:19:50] <avar>	hrm, somewhat of a double post
[21:20:00] <avar>	Anyway, those arguments against git are hillarity
[21:25:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SGML error: duplicate specification of attribute "class" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19622 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (egil)
[21:26:56] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) SGML error: duplicate specification of attribute "class" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19622  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:26:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) portlets have 2x class= when selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19573  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:27:07] <RoanKattouw>	*sigh* how hard is it to fire up bugzilla search?
[21:28:12] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53012 10/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/main.css: Added no-text-transform class for use with extra personal tools which should not be lowercase.
[21:28:50] <rainman-sr>	dame mas gasolina
[21:31:01] <Annemarie>	$wgEnableCharitwo = false;
[21:33:39] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53013 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.hooks.php: Made personal tools link use no-text-transform class, making it look right even in monobook.
[21:40:59] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53014 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Improved the apearance of the accept and deny buttons.
[21:42:59] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53015 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/images/ (10 files): Minor image color adjustments.
[21:48:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) mobile-l feedback system issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19623 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (matthew.britton)
[21:59:15] <thedj>	RoanKattouw: you do realize that bugzilla search only present OPEN bugs right ?
[21:59:32] <RoanKattouw>	thedj: Not if you ask it to show closed bugs
[21:59:34] <thedj>	i mean. you can't blame folks too much for that.
[22:00:12] <thedj>	RoanKattouw: how many folks are gonna hit Edit search and then understand what it says there though realisticly.
[22:04:37] <RoanKattouw>	You don't need that
[22:05:49] <RoanKattouw>	Just click "Search bugs" in the sidebar and you get a dropdown for Open/Closed/All
[22:20:44] <fn][>	is there a known way to make mediawiki crash to show the path its in on the webserver?
[22:22:12] <RoanKattouw>	fn][: If properly secured in php.ini, no
[22:22:33] <fn][>	what if php.ini is visible
[22:22:41] <RoanKattouw>	Doesn't matter
[22:22:44] <RoanKattouw>	But shouldn't be
[22:22:51] <RoanKattouw>	What I mean that php.ini has to have the right settings
[22:22:56] <RoanKattouw>	Or PHP will expose the path
[22:41:51] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53017 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/SpecialOptIn.php: Made the deny button only appear if a return page is given - and also deny button actually work.
[22:51:23] <chuck>	Trevor: what is the OptIn extension for?
[22:51:42] <RoanKattouw>	chuck: To provide a nice interface for opting into our stuff
[22:51:45] <RoanKattouw>	Vector and the toolbar
[22:51:57] <RoanKattouw>	You can do it in prefs right now, but this is easier and includes a survey when you opt out
[22:51:59] <chuck>	ah, okay, so they don't have to hunt through user preferences and all of that
[22:52:06] <RoanKattouw>	Exactly
[22:52:11] <RoanKattouw>	Especially when we add more stuff
[22:52:41] <chuck>	what's next?
[22:56:08] <RoanKattouw>	Nothing for a while
[22:56:26] <RoanKattouw>	When all this stuff's been deployed we're gonna go back and design+write some more stuff for a while
[22:57:53] <Trevor>	yeah, what he said!
[22:58:32] <CIA-58>	03dale * r53018 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[22:58:32] <CIA-58>	Firefogg fixes:
[22:58:32] <CIA-58>	Display 100% for 1 second so users gets sense of being "done"
[22:58:32] <CIA-58>	Close on complete does not ask you to cancel
[22:59:58] <chuck>	RoanKattouw: :o you're not on the Staff page on the wikimediafoundation.org site
[23:00:50] <RoanKattouw>	I'm not staff
[23:00:52] <RoanKattouw>	I'm a contractor
[23:01:05] <Reedy>	They're paying you now? :o
[23:01:11] <GreenReaper>	A Hired Gnu.
[23:01:44] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: Only for the usability work, but yeah
[23:01:48] <Reedy>	Cool :)
[23:01:50] <Trevor>	RoanKattouw == ninja
[23:01:52] <RoanKattouw>	I'm even at the office in San Francisco right now
[23:01:59] <Reedy>	Trevor, surely its === ? ;)
[23:02:16] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, ace
[23:02:20] <Reedy>	Stop neglecting API work ;)
[23:02:24] <Subfader>	means Vector is finished as is?
[23:02:37] *chuck 	thinks that rand montoya looks like steve carell
[23:04:27] <thedj>	So when is it all going online ?
[23:04:34] <Reedy>	Can use vector now
[23:04:52] <thedj>	i mean the fixes to vector.
[23:05:05] <Reedy>	poke brion ;)
[23:11:06] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53019 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.i18n.php: Improved the text of the survey intro.
[23:11:14] <Subfader>	considering teh search bar is not much wider it could have stayed in the sidebar :D
[23:11:58] <zrh>	Hi … MediaWiki creates sitemaps with relatives URLs which result in the Google error message 'We've detected that a Sitemap you've listed doesn't include the full URL.' … are there any plans for a switch to absolute URLs or maybe a configuration option?
[23:13:03] <zrh>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9675 hasn't been touched for some time.
[23:13:04] <Subfader>	the sitemaps also have produce another google "priority" error for years now. no development on this side
[23:13:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) sitemap-index doesn't include full location path - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9675  +comment (10bugzilla_mediawiki_org)
[23:18:52] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r53020 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.i18n.php OptIn.js OptIn.php SpecialOptIn.php): OptIn: Beef up summary, add yesno question type, minor fixes
[23:19:17] <RoanKattouw>	thedj: Tomorrow at 9 AM PT, which is 18:00 Dutch time
[23:19:53] <thedj>	cool.
[23:19:54] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53021 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.i18n.php: Made other for os selection other operating system to be more clear.
[23:19:57] <thedj>	i'll be waiting :D
[23:40:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use $wgHooks['MakeGlobalVariablesScript'][] to set our SlippyMap JavaScript variables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19624 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[23:40:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use $wgHooks['MakeGlobalVariablesScript'][] to set our SlippyMap JavaScript variables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19624  (10N/A)
[23:41:50] <CIA-58>	03dale * r53022 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): added $wgEnableJS2system var flag that enables or disables all js2 loading / functionality
[23:46:21] <RoanKattouw>	mdale: No rush or anything, but how's merging the upload API module to trunk coming along?
[23:46:46] <mdale>	Have some variates... 
[23:47:06] <mdale>	1) we just commit everything with all the js2 stuff disabled ... 
[23:47:18] <mdale>	or 2) I separate out new-upload stuff... 
[23:47:33] <mdale>	the script-loader stuff is harder to separate out.. 
[23:47:53] <mdale>	and I want to merge it soon cuz it causes all sorts of trouble as other people start "fixing" skins 
[23:48:03] <^demon>	Haha.
[23:48:04] <mdale>	(it supports being disabled)
[23:48:18] <mdale>	so I would prefer to get the script server in at the same time... 
[23:48:19] <RoanKattouw>	So basically what you're saying is that keeping the upload API separate from the rest is not as easy as you though it would be?
[23:48:53] <mdale>	here I will make a patch just for upload api stuff too...
[23:49:04] <mdale>	but i would prefer if the whole thing got merged... so I won't have to deal with merging skins again
[23:49:40] <^demon>	mdale: Any opposition to moving the upload classes to a subdir of includes?
[23:49:54] <^demon>	(you said a loooonnnnnggggg time ago that we could do it "later")
[23:49:58] <mdale>	I almost did that at one point
[23:51:34] <mdale>	well... the whole thing is a 2.9Meg patch.. maybe not so useful ... and larger than the 1 meg limit of buzilla :(
[23:51:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Extend cascading protection to shared media repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19625 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page protection; (shubinator1)
[23:51:54] <RoanKattouw>	:O And I thought 60K patches were huge
[23:52:21] <^demon>	mdale: I never knew there was a 1mb limit.
[23:52:41] <mdale>	"Patches cannot be more than 1000 KB in size"
[23:54:44] <mdale>	well if I cut out the js2 folder its much smaller... 
[23:55:48] <RoanKattouw>	If you can split it up into multiple <1000 KB patches...
[23:55:49] <thedj>	does anyone know if it's possible to do Special:AllMessages for another language ?
[23:55:59] <RoanKattouw>	It'll still be pretty much impossible to review though
[23:56:05] <RoanKattouw>	Keep Brion busy for a week :)
[23:56:31] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: My maintenance-work branch is getting the same way :-\
[23:56:49] <RoanKattouw>	Heh
[23:57:03] <demon|afkforabit>	Haha, win.
[23:57:23] <fn][>	I need to get my home ip, I created my wiki and uploaded it, is there any record in the wiki database?
[23:58:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge new-upload branch (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18563  (10dale)
[23:58:07] <mdale>	well attached it to that bug
[23:58:09] <mdale>	(gziped it) 
[23:58:16] <demon|afkforabit>	creative.
[23:58:42] <RoanKattouw>	mdale: That would be helpful; if it's not too much trouble for you of course
[23:59:21] <mdale>	just don't apply the js2 folder
[23:59:24] <mdale>	thats the quick way
[23:59:30] <mdale>	that includes script-loader stuff
[23:59:34] <mdale>	but its all off by default