[00:00:26] <CIA-58>	03dale * r53088 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (6 files in 6 dirs): IE fixes for add-media-wiz
[00:06:40] <alxndr>	Is there a version of importImages that'll work on php4?
[00:10:59] <flyingparchment>	why are you still using php4?
[00:11:17] <alxndr>	Just cause.
[00:13:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spanish wikipedia XML dump problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18694  (10Platonides)
[00:15:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Categorymembers namespace filter broken in miser mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640  (10Platonides)
[00:19:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgFlaggedRevsPatrolNamespaces has no effect in watchlists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19241  (10gtisza)
[00:24:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patrol marks in non-reviewable pages outside $wgFlaggedRevsPatrolNamespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19241  summary; +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:25:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make the CAPTCHA display on the initial edit page when possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19648 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: ConfirmEdit; (Emufarmers)
[00:28:23] <Splarka>	why not just load the captcha via ajax if someone is adding external links? >_>
[00:29:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Categorymembers namespace filter broken in miser mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[00:39:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Categorymembers namespace filter broken in miser mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640  (10herd)
[00:40:37] <Emufarmers>	Splarka: you could do that too, but I figured it would be best to start with the low-hanging fruit. :D
[00:41:02] *Splarka 	was being sargasmic
[00:41:51] <Emufarmers>	I'm crushed :(
[00:54:44] <p858snake>	"Hello Mister Vibber," <lol, sounds like a spam email >.> <.<
[01:26:47] <Annemarie>	:-/
[01:43:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Abuse filter in Persian wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19642  (10ladsgroup)
[01:45:46] <Subfader>	got a question about the non-working redirs in the new search. is it a known bug and therefor the checkbox is hidden under "Advanced" on wp etc?
[01:46:53] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53089 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/OpenLayers/ (config/slippymap.cfg public/OpenLayers.js): Add WorldWind to the OL config
[01:54:46] <Emufarmers>	Subfader: I kind of remember noticing a nonfunctional "show redirects" checkbox when I set up Lucene recently; I meant to ask rainman-sr about it, but then I forgot.
[01:55:19] <Emufarmers>	I think the revamped Special:Search page that's on mw.org now might be from Vector
[01:57:19] <Subfader>	yep the ckeckbox doesn't work (untick it and the page loads with it being ticked again) redirects are always listed, no matter what you click, even if you use redirs=0 manually http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=rpl&fulltext=Search&ns2=1&redirs=0
[01:58:03] <Subfader>	just dunno if there's an existing bug report
[01:58:10] <Emufarmers>	I imagine it's an oversight or a regression; rainman-sr is probably the guy to talk to
[01:58:48] <Subfader>	kk
[02:03:18] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53090 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
[02:03:18] <CIA-58>	Massive backwards compatability breaking changes in this revision, and neat new stuff:
[02:03:18] <CIA-58>	* Now doing parameter validation (with parsertests!)
[02:03:18] <CIA-58>	* Replaced h parameter with height, w with width, z with zoom, marker
[02:03:18] <CIA-58>	is currently unsupported (I'd like to have it in the static
[02:03:21] <CIA-58>	rendering too if it's there at all)
[02:03:23] <CIA-58>	* OpenLayers & other stuff this extension needs is now always added to
[02:06:00] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53091 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/slippyMapParserTests.txt: We now set zoom= to a default value if it isn't set
[02:07:21] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53092 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/ (SlippyMap.hook.php SlippyMap.hooks.php SlippyMap.php): Hooks -> Hook
[02:28:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  +comment (10brion)
[02:43:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) namespace param on linksearch UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19649 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jayvdb)
[02:45:35] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) namespace param on linksearch UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19649  +comment (10brion)
[02:45:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Namespace filter in Special:Linksearch on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10593  +comment (10brion)
[02:48:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show LATER and possibly WONTFIX bugs in default Bugzilla search? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19650 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (brion)
[02:53:03] <Splarka>	brion: DUP
[02:53:29] <Splarka>	also, 8pm on friday!
[02:53:59] <brion>	almost 11pm! im still in boston until tomorrow night :)
[02:54:17] <Splarka>	oh, that's okay then, carry on working
[02:54:34] <Splarka>	brion: the problem is, the most eloquently worded bugs are mostly the dupes
[02:54:43] <Splarka>	so DUPes should be shown as well
[02:55:14] <Splarka>	(possible to only show DUPes where the target is open/wontfix/later?)
[02:56:22] <brion>	heh
[02:56:48] <brion>	if the original's wording sucks pretty bad i'll go and make it nicer when i make the dupe, sometimes
[02:57:13] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:57:27] <Splarka>	seems spammy, but I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do
[02:58:04] <brion>	bugzilla's pretty spammy in the dupe case since it sends you notes on both bugs... and then any change to the original has to be another change :P
[02:58:47] <Splarka>	be nice if you could "Dupe from" yah
[02:58:52] <Splarka>	in the same way you can add dependencies either way
[02:59:45] <brion>	just realized my hotel room actually does have a desk i can sit at w/ the computer. my neck will thank me :)
[03:00:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New user-specific variable (magic word, parser function) giving {{USERNAME}} ({{CURRENTUSER}} {{USER}}) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4196  summary; +comment (10herd)
[03:00:49] *Splarka 	spams that dupe
[03:00:57] <Splarka>	like so?
[03:01:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search box to gain initial focus on main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6165  (10herd)
[03:01:39] *Splarka 	changes component on an unrelated dupe bug he happened to click
[03:04:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page with javascript .focus() method - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  summary (10herd)
[03:04:08] <Splarka>	over a dozen dupes there! wow, spammy
[03:04:18] <Splarka>	23 users emailed
[03:04:40] <ekimmargni>	I used to worry about doing things on bugzilla that'd email people needlessly
[03:04:53] <OverlordQ>	I just worry about spamming IRC :)
[03:05:33] <Splarka>	brion: I still want a "top 10 most duped bugs" list in  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi
[03:05:50] <Splarka>	or possibly an editable bit of text below it, heh
[03:06:19] <brion>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/duplicates.cgi
[03:06:26] <Splarka>	"no, we won't make javascript focus on the search box" "we MIGHT add per-page viewing rights but LATER" "there is an extension for {{USERNAME}}"
[03:06:26] <brion>	that link finally works now :)
[03:06:39] <brion>	but nobody reads header text on a form so theyll never click it ;)
[03:07:01] <Splarka>	yes, they won't
[03:07:11] <Splarka>	can you embed that into enter_bug.cgi ?
[03:07:14] <Splarka>	<3
[03:07:38] <brion>	i suspect it could be done :)
[03:07:48] <brion>	istr mozilla has something like that
[03:07:55] *Splarka 	bribes with stroopwafelen
[03:08:55] <brion>	nom nom
[03:10:48] *brion 	gonna track down photos of everyone who was at the meeting today so i remember who the hell they are
[03:11:41] *Splarka 	wonders if laptops are yet considered "hoax devices, with the intent to panic the public" in Boston
[03:13:48] <Morbus>	anyone know the name of the 5 star rating extension on wikia? i'm not seeing it in the Special:Version.
[03:13:55] *p858snake 	wonders if brion has had a chance to look at that image eating bug yet
[03:14:14] <brion>	ooh image eating? sounds fun
[03:14:45] <p858snake>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16553
[03:14:54] <p858snake>	i remember bringing it up once before
[03:15:21] <Annemarie>	A maintenance script was written related to that, right?
[03:15:22] <Annemarie>	And run?
[03:17:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Categorymembers namespace filter broken in miser mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640  (10b-jorsch)
[03:24:17] <brion>	the old one? dunno, not sure about anything current
[03:26:26] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53093 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/ (14 files in 5 dirs): Spitting out ReaderFeedback stuff part I
[03:27:28] <Splarka>	!wikiacode | Morbus
[03:27:28] --mwbot--	Morbus: Wikia's customized mediawiki code is mostly available via <https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/>. Wikia-specific extensions can usually be found in <https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/>.
[03:27:39] <p858snake>	are the actual image files list or just moved around somewhere?
[03:27:46] <p858snake>	s/list/lost/
[03:28:23] <Morbus>	Splarka: thanks. no initial match for star, rate, or rating. gonna be fun <g>
[03:28:33] *Morbus 	is looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CommunityVoice too
[03:31:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) externallinks have links to self (not that external) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19637  +comment (10Emufarmers)
[03:32:17] <Morbus>	looks like https://svn.wikia-code.com/wikia/trunk/extensions/wikia/Vote/
[03:32:21] <Morbus>	thanks for the pointer.
[03:32:32] <Splarka>	np
[03:37:22] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53094 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/ (3 files): 
[03:37:22] <CIA-58>	* Improved the horrid argument parser replacing it with something even
[03:37:22] <CIA-58>	more horrid. But now it can parse values and supply defaults at the
[03:37:22] <CIA-58>	same time. This is required because to validate a some parameters
[03:37:22] <CIA-58>	other parameters need to have already been validated.
[03:37:23] <CIA-58>	* marker= works again
[03:37:27] <CIA-58>	* Changed field names to something that's more comfortable to type
[03:39:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Calling <slippymap> in a way that it doesn't expect will result in invalid JS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19581  (10avarab)
[03:40:06] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53095 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/ (25 files in 2 dirs): Spitting out ReaderFeedback stuff part II: Removed excess classes/file name fixes/language cleanup
[03:40:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use $wgHooks['MakeGlobalVariablesScript'][] to set our SlippyMap JavaScript variables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19624  (10N/A)
[03:41:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parameter validation is completely broken in SlippyMap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19603  (10avarab)
[03:42:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Shrink the SlippyMap Openlayers to include just the portions we need - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19583  (10avarab)
[03:45:44] <brion>	w00t
[03:46:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Write a script to generate a unique installation of OL for every supported user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19651 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[03:46:34] <avar>	brion: It's getting better:)
[03:50:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Write parsertests that use {{#tag:slippymap}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19652 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[03:51:56] <Emufarmers>	brion, who was the Tim who was taking the photos?
[03:52:27] <brion>	i forget, there were two tims ;)
[03:52:36] <Emufarmers>	It was Tim the Younger
[03:52:38] <brion>	and i didnt get either of their last names or usernames down :D
[03:52:50] <Emufarmers>	The elder one is Paul August on Wikipedia
[03:52:56] <brion>	then it wasnt him ;)
[03:54:04] <p858snake>	just poke everyone in the offices with shar pencils till they tell you >.>
[03:54:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make the layers in SlippyMap.js configurable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19653 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[03:57:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Save statically generated maps on the server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19654 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[03:57:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Save statically generated maps on the server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19654  (10N/A)
[03:59:01] <avar>	Does {{#tag:}} work around extensions that want to take template parameters having to implement <ext>foo={{bar}}</ext> as well as <ext foo=bar/> ?
[04:00:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add support for ojw's StaticMap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19655 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[04:04:03] <Splarka>	avar: in theory the former shouldn't be needed anymore yah
[04:04:44] <Splarka>	(but #tag doesn't play well with all parser extension tags, like for example there was no way to create <references />, only <references></references>)
[04:05:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add logging of attribute syntax errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19656 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[04:06:20] <avar>	Splarka: Right, I saw that someone had changed Cite to that effect:)
[04:06:35] <avar>	But that's pretty trivial
[04:06:46] <Splarka>	and things can be interesting with #pre
[04:06:51] <Splarka>	er #tag:pre
[04:09:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Remove caption="" support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19657 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[04:11:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Old style <slippymap>x=y</slippymap> parameters should be optional and turned on with a config option, <slippymap x=y/> is the default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19582  (10avarab)
[04:11:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Exif data to generated static maps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19608  (10N/A)
[04:11:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Save statically generated maps on the server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19654  (10N/A)
[04:13:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make wikicode / reset button translatable. Right now they're PNG files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19658 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[04:24:44] <avar>	This would be useful for commons: http://toolserver.org/~kolossos/zoom-image/zoom-ol.html
[04:27:14] <brion>	totally
[04:27:28] <brion>	avar: somebody was showing that off at the berlin meeting, i forget who
[04:27:47] <avar>	Kolossos
[04:28:03] <brion>	whee
[04:28:50] <brion>	ok i think its bedtime
[04:28:51] <Splarka>	> Judge allows Twitter-using DA to 'tweet' upcoming muder trial over defense objections. Prosecution's argument? DA only has 10 or so followers so "it's just not that big a deal." That'll probably change now
[04:28:52] <brion>	see yall later
[04:30:08] <ramiro>	hi. I'm running mediawiki 1.13. I uploaded a .png file and all of a sudden I get only internal server errors (500), and apache logs say "Premature end of script headers". I tried activating php error logging but that did not work by any means.
[04:30:24] <AaronSchulz>	bye
[04:30:56] <ramiro>	any idea why this happened or how to fix it or any blog post where someone had the same problem and actually fixed it?
[04:33:32] <OverlordQ>	So you uploaded a file using the upload form and afterwards you get a 500 error?
[04:33:53] <ramiro>	yep
[04:34:13] <ramiro>	now the wiki is inaccessible
[04:34:39] <OverlordQ>	it's not telling you which file is causing it?
[04:34:49] <ramiro>	yes, index.php
[04:35:35] <Emufarmers>	!?>
[04:35:35] --mwbot--	The PHP closing tag "?>" is never required at the end of a pure-code php file, and mediawiki developers actively remove it, as it often causes problems related to trailing whitespace, and "headers already sent" errors. See also http://news.php.net/php.general/280796 and !bom as well as https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17642
[04:35:52] <Emufarmers>	Check LocalSettings.php
[04:36:53] <ramiro>	Emufarmers: I haven't edited any files...
[04:37:17] <CIA-58>	03mrzman * r53096 10/trunk/extensions/Index/ (6 files): Add extension I've been working on to SVN
[04:37:18] <ramiro>	and the page hangs for a while before reporting the 500 error
[04:38:02] <Emufarmers>	ramiro: so what's the last line of LocalSettings.php?
[04:38:18] <OverlordQ>	I'd check that anyways, uploading a file shouldn't do that, and if it does, something is really really wrong.
[04:39:42] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53097 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Splitting out ReaderFeedback stuff part III: more c/p cleanup. Make things actually work now.
[04:40:07] <ramiro>	Emufarmers: the last line of LocalSettings.php has been the same one for many months since my last edit: "$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;". after that there's an empty line.
[04:40:35] <Emufarmers>	ramiro: do you have any extensions?
[04:42:01] <AaronSchulz>	siebrand?
[04:42:18] <ramiro>	Emufarmers: I don't remember adding any extensions.
[04:42:32] <Emufarmers>	ramiro: check your extensions directory
[04:42:53] <OverlordQ>	might as well check index.php as well
[04:45:20] <ramiro>	I upgraded to 1.15 and things automagically restarted working...
[04:45:34] <ramiro>	there were no extensions and index.php was identical to the original
[04:46:16] <ramiro>	I hate it when I don't understand what fixed it =(. anyways I'm happy it somehow fixed itself.
[04:46:23] <ramiro>	thanks guys, and sorry for the noise.
[04:47:25] <CIA-58>	03rememberthedot * r53098 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Updated parser tests for r52726. Also fixed some corner cases and updated the parser test for PMID links.
[04:47:56] <CIA-58>	03mrzman * r53099 10/trunk/extensions/ (Index/ IndexFunction/): Change name for consistency
[04:54:56] <domas>	=)
[04:58:01] <Splarka>	domas: can you scap MrZ-man's updates to your live api cmnamespace disablementarianism?
[04:58:28] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53100 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/ (6 files in 2 dirs): special page & CSS cleanup
[04:58:32] <domas>	why me
[04:58:34] <domas>	:)
[04:58:46] <AaronSchulz>	classic domas, heh
[04:58:58] <domas>	hey Aaron ;-)
[04:59:29] <domas>	I find so many people know how to develop mediawiki
[04:59:36] <domas>	and how every feature has to be there
[04:59:37] <domas>	:)
[04:59:46] <domas>	it is awesome
[05:00:26] <Splarka>	<MrZ-man>	it would probably be better if the query just failed, rather than ignoring the parameter
[05:00:29] <Splarka>	<domas>	feel free to change that
[05:00:30] <Splarka>	and he did
[05:00:31] <CIA-58>	03rememberthedot * r53101 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Updated RELEASE-NOTES for r52963 and r53033
[05:00:36] <Splarka>	so can you make it live? ^_^
[05:00:40] <domas>	maybe ;-)
[05:00:48] <domas>	1) I didn't have my morning coffee yet
[05:00:50] <Splarka>	quantum developing
[05:00:56] <domas>	2) 
[05:01:02] <domas>	3) 
[05:01:04] <domas>	4) 
[05:01:13] <domas>	5) I got so much more to do
[05:02:08] <domas>	oh damn
[05:02:09] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_July_11#Template:Topic_by_country
[05:02:25] <domas>	forgot to bump up lock wait timeout when loading data
[05:02:26] <Splarka>	that one was funny: 540.964233 380393 - PPFrame_DOM::expand
[05:02:45] <CIA-58>	03mrzman * r53102 10/trunk/extensions/IndexFunction/ (IndexFunction.i18n.php SpecialIndex.php): Fix database error
[05:04:08] <OverlordQ>	I wonder if they'd accept a "Kill it with fire" delete !vote
[05:11:41] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53103 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[05:11:41] <CIA-58>	* Standardized CSS names
[05:11:41] <CIA-58>	* Fixed pre-existing error with partial ratings
[06:18:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528  (10vasilvv)
[06:50:03] <Eric__>	good morning
[06:50:51] <Eric__>	i got a problem in upgrading from mediawiki 1.13.4 to 1.15 - when I want to run the maintenance/update.php it says: 
[06:51:05] <Eric__>	PHP Warning:  realpath(): SAFE MODE Restriction in effect.
[06:51:28] <Eric__>	but i switched safemode on in php.ini and for the respective vhost
[06:52:00] <Emufarmers>	Eric__: you probably want to switch safe mode _off_ (if that's not what you meant to say)
[06:52:33] <Eric__>	let me check
[06:53:24] <Alphos>	try and activate safe mode *after* upgrading to php 5.3 =)
[06:53:27] *Alphos 	runs
[07:01:48] <Eric__>	I get: PHP Warning:  realpath(): SAFE MODE Restriction in effect.  The script whose uid is 500 is not allowed to access /srv/www/vhosts/hpgr.de/httpdocs/wiki owned by uid 10002 in /srv/www/vhosts/hpgr.de/httpdocs/wiki/maintenance/commandLine.inc on line 45
[07:10:38] <Emufarmers_>	Eric__: sounds like safe mode is still on, then.  Turn it off.
[07:10:38] <Emufarmers_>	er
[07:10:38] <Eric__>	i have it turned off in php.ini and restarted the server 
[07:10:38] <Eric__>	and i got that
[07:10:38] <Emufarmers>	Well, clearly it's not really off :)
[07:10:38] <Emufarmers>	It could also be that there are some parts of it that can work even if safe mode itself is off
[07:10:38] <Emufarmers>	like open_basedir, as I recall
[07:14:27] <Eric__>	hmm shit
[07:14:28] <Eric__>	ok
[07:14:55] <Eric__>	you are kinda right - i ran php info directly from the shell
[07:15:06] <Eric__>	and there it says safe_mode on
[07:18:13] <Eric__>	so another test
[07:21:49] <Eric__>	Emufarmers, thanks you saved my day ;) 
[07:21:57] <Eric__>	it worked now
[07:22:21] <Eric__>	there was a different php.ini for the CLI
[07:24:07] <Emufarmers>	Happens all the time
[07:24:19] <Emufarmers>	But you're welcome :D
[07:28:47] <Eric__>	ah for the semiamateur like me the error "safe_mode restriction in effect was a little ambiguos - does it not work because it is on oder off
[07:33:45] <Alphos>	safe mode applies supposed safety restrictions to your php config, thus deactivating some functions that are needed for update.php to work ;)
[07:34:16] <Alphos>	it's useful for shared servers, but really boring otherwise ^^'
[07:34:45] <Alphos>	*bothering
[08:04:35] <domas>	\o/
[08:04:45] <CIA-58>	03midom * r53104 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix Bug#19637 - self-referencing externals will be by default filtered out
[08:10:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) externallinks have links to self (not that external) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19637  +comment (10domas.mituzas)
[08:15:50] <CIA-58>	03midom * r53105 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/ParserOutput.php: good catch, $wgServer definitely needs trailing slash added =)
[08:17:02] <Emufarmers>	domas: what are you going to do when people complain about those links not showing up in LinkSearch? o:
[08:17:18] <domas>	say, "they should not"
[08:17:28] <domas>	emufarmers: what is your email address?
[08:17:28] <Emufarmers>	That's probably true
[08:17:35] <domas>	I can send you the copy of commonswiki.externallinks there
[08:17:37] <Emufarmers>	but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:LinkSearch mentions a 
[08:17:51] <domas>	well
[08:17:55] <Emufarmers>	eh, I think gmail only gives me 10 gbs or something of storage, so :)
[08:18:02] <domas>	emufarmers: not enough
[08:18:07] <Emufarmers>	Exactly :D
[08:18:19] <domas>	and 99% is externallinks inflated by templates
[08:18:26] <domas>	not actual externals
[08:18:33] <Emufarmers>	You didn't like the idea I proposed on the bug?
[08:18:39] <domas>	it doesn't make sense
[08:18:58] <Emufarmers>	No?  It'd hide "purge this page" links and such, which I assume are the problem
[08:19:10] <domas>	no
[08:19:13] <domas>	you're getting the problem wrong
[08:19:20] <domas>	hold on
[08:19:44] <domas>	here
[08:19:44] <domas>	http://p.defau.lt/?Lztd6oKfjaESPeWatVdImw
[08:19:48] <domas>	I even formatted it for you
[08:19:51] <domas>	to get the idiocy 
[08:19:53] <Annemarie>	[[Special:Action/edit/PageName]]
[08:19:57] <Annemarie>	You need something like that.
[08:20:22] <Annemarie>	People use {{fullurl:}} because it's the only thing that was ever implemented...
[08:20:39] <domas>	good
[08:20:45] <domas>	so?
[08:20:59] <domas>	those links exist, just not recorded in EL tables
[08:21:02] <domas>	what is the problem?
[08:21:04] <Annemarie>	So you should add a generic syntax that avoids external link syntax.
[08:21:07] <Annemarie>	:P
[08:21:08] <Emufarmers>	Well, you could also remove it if it includes &uselang
[08:21:16] <domas>	and if also includes what?
[08:21:27] <Emufarmers>	huh?
[08:21:31] <domas>	what other tokens
[08:21:50] <Emufarmers>	Are there other ones that are adding huge numbers of links?
[08:21:57] <domas>	dunno, there probably will be
[08:22:09] <domas>	you can't expect what new hack editors will think off
[08:22:19] <domas>	I already saw the potential of this
[08:22:22] <domas>	not going to risk more
[08:22:42] <Emufarmers>	Heh, you could have a config variable of tokens not to include
[08:22:43] *Emufarmers 	hides
[08:22:56] <domas>	*shrug*
[08:23:00] <domas>	easier just to ditch them all
[08:23:36] <Emufarmers>	What about secure server links, like Splarka said?
[08:23:48] <domas>	haha, I can add an array of other stuff to check for ;-))
[08:24:01] <domas>	can add creativecommons and secure there ;-)
[08:24:08] <domas>	will see if it is an issue
[08:24:09] <Emufarmers>	That's what I suggested in the bug
[08:24:13] <Emufarmers>	>_>
[08:24:16] <domas>	how does {{fullurl: work when people come in via secure?
[08:24:23] <domas>	thanks for suggesting the obvious, captn
[08:25:37] <Splarka>	I believe {{fullurl:}} will work for both cases, won't register an external link for either when saving/purging/whatever
[08:25:43] <Splarka>	but not everyone uses fullurl, many don't
[08:25:55] <Splarka>	like on talk pages
[08:26:10] <Splarka>	:Yes, I did edit it correctly, see [http:... diff link], ~~~~
[08:26:22] <domas>	well
[08:26:28] <domas>	we can get to exclusions later
[08:27:32] <Splarka>	fair
[08:30:01] <domas>	\o/ svn merge -r53103:53105 
[08:30:21] <domas>	why is test blankpage ? :)
[08:32:01] <Splarka>	cuz is test
[08:34:47] <Annemarie>	mediawiki/ cloaks should be available next week, I hear.
[08:34:58] <Emufarmers>	{{cite}}?
[08:35:20] <domas>	hahahaha
[08:35:21] <domas>		<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Wikipedia RSS Feed" href="http://www.example.org/feedstuff.rss" />
[08:35:29] <p858snake>	{{fact}} or {{cn}} is what your looking for
[08:35:43] <p858snake>	cite is the formatting one iirc
[08:35:47] <Emufarmers>	:(
[08:35:47] <Annemarie>	I have no reason to lie.
[08:48:29] <Emufarmers>	Goodnight
[09:03:11] <cimon>	Annemarie: And we have no reason to believe.
[09:04:13] <cimon>	Every blade cuts into two parts.
[09:05:46] <cimon>	You want the other and discard the other. Fine. I'll take what you rejected.
[09:13:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528  (10gtisza)
[09:17:07] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r53106 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[09:28:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) externallinks have links to self (not that external) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19637  (10domas.mituzas)
[09:38:30] <Play-Boy>	Sorry, can I get help here about configuration of media wiki engine?
[09:41:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Account creation not being "AntiSpoofed" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19659 major; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (bluegoblin)
[09:55:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Authorize sending pages per Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19660 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (otourly)
[09:59:11] <cirwin>	would it be possible to get $1 set to the user's search in the search-nonefound message?
[09:59:31] *Splarka 	pokles rainman-sr ^
[10:07:28] <rainman-sr>	cirwin, we don't show that message any more... for failed searches you want searchmenu-new i think
[10:07:59] <cirwin>	urm, it worked abuot a week ago?
[10:08:38] <Emufarmers>	Sleep failure :(
[10:08:41] <cirwin>	http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=asdfuujuw4hr&go=Go
[10:08:51] <cirwin>	"There were no results matching the query"
[10:10:04] <rainman-sr>	oh that message ... too many similarly-named messages
[10:10:21] <rainman-sr>	ok, let me fix that
[10:10:23] <cirwin>	indeed, and all changed from what we'd just got use to :p
[10:10:37] <cirwin>	thanks
[10:11:01] <cirwin>	you were also copied in on a bug I filed about indexing html rather than wikitext, is that at all feasible?
[10:11:32] <rainman-sr>	no that's not going to happen soon
[10:11:42] <Splarka>	imagine the search results for "citation needed", haha
[10:11:49] <cirwin>	ah well
[10:14:06] <rainman-sr>	cirwin, as far as i see $1 was never passed to search-nonefound
[10:14:23] <cirwin>	no
[10:14:25] <cirwin>	I don't think it was
[10:14:48] <cirwin>	when i said "it worked about a week ago" I meant that the message displayed
[10:18:26] <rainman-sr>	well a week ago the message shown was nonefound, now it's search-nonefound
[10:21:55] <rainman-sr>	is wfEscapeWikiText actually needed for addWikiMsg?
[10:22:14] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, our PD help pagets require that you import svg icons into your wiki, but svgs aren't allowed on the default MW setup. :-|
[10:22:43] <Splarka>	so remove them, or replace with png?
[10:22:50] <Emufarmers>	Yeah, I guess I will
[10:23:06] <Emufarmers>	Should I resize them down to the size they actually get used at or not bother?
[10:28:38] <CIA-58>	03rainman * r53107 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php: Add search term to search-nonefound since wiktionaries want it.
[10:31:11] <werdna>	rainman-sr: you heading to london for the meetup tomorrow?
[10:31:55] <rainman-sr>	not sure, i have loads of works to finish, so what is the final word on the cambridge meetup?
[10:32:07] <Nikerabbit>	rainman-sr: yes and no
[10:32:35] <Nikerabbit>	because the parser sucks tiltes like foo''bar broken in things like [[$1]] or $1
[10:32:47] <Nikerabbit>	titles, are
[10:33:38] <rainman-sr>	Nikerabbit, well, i've put it there anyway :)
[10:38:57] <Emufarmers>	Splarka: actually, now that I look at it, it's kind of silly: the "WHEN YOU EDIT THIS PAGE YOU'RE PUTTING IT INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN!!!!" message still appears at the top of the exported pages; could you use some PF magic to hide that when it's not on mw.org?
[10:40:54] <Splarka>	hmm
[10:41:13] <Emufarmers>	I really feel sorry for anybody who actually tries to export our help pages at this point :/
[10:42:06] <Splarka>	well, that won't show unless they export http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Editnotice-12 too
[10:42:55] <Emufarmers>	huh
[10:43:08] <Splarka>	oh, you mean on the article page view, hmm
[10:43:12] <Splarka>	well, that isn't on every help page
[10:43:13] <Emufarmers>	Yeah
[10:43:19] <Splarka>	and actually probably doesn't even need to be there, with the edit notice
[10:43:23] <Emufarmers>	Was there a reason we didn't end up removing the thing from the top, given that it's on an edit notice now?
[10:43:29] <Emufarmers>	yeah, I know we talked about it before
[10:43:30] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Bots  doesn't have it
[10:43:33] *Emufarmers 	checks logz
[10:43:57] <Emufarmers>	That's because Al Maghi created that page 3 weeks ago
[10:44:05] <Splarka>	ahh
[10:44:13] <Emufarmers>	And it's waaaay outside what the PD help pages are supposed to be for anyway
[10:44:15] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Editnotice_load&action=edit
[10:44:16] <Splarka>	ew
[10:44:27] *Splarka 	picked it at random as a small example
[10:44:52] <Splarka>	why does it need editnotice load?
[10:44:55] <Emufarmers>	If your point is that our PD help pages are a mess, then yes, you're preaching to the choir. :p
[10:45:36] *Splarka 	removes it
[10:47:10] <Splarka>	ugh
[10:47:20] <Splarka>	he put them in /every/ namespace
[10:47:21] <Splarka>	WHY
[10:47:30] <Splarka>	why does he need to run #ifexist on every page load?
[10:47:48] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Editnotices/
[10:47:54] <Splarka>	exactly two of which result in something
[10:48:39] <vvv>	God
[10:48:45] <vvv>	Who broke parser
[10:49:05] <Splarka>	Hallowed be thy name
[10:49:13] <Splarka>	Thy Kingdom DOM
[10:49:45] <Splarka>	Thy style be !important, Give us our daily job queue
[10:52:24] <Emufarmers>	Oh, ialex thought the "This page is one of the Public Domain Help Pages..." part should stay
[10:53:15] <Splarka>	well.. what one could do is...
[10:53:46] <Splarka>	wait, where does it say that?
[10:54:08] <Splarka>	> '''Important note:''' When you edit this page, you agree to release your contribution into the [[:en:Public domain|public domain]]. If you don't want this or can't do this because of license restrictions, please don't edit. This page is one of the [[Project:PD help|Public Domain Help Pages]], which can be freely copied into fresh wiki installations and/or distributed with MediaWiki software; see [[Help:Contents]] for an overview of all pages. See [[Pr
[10:54:21] <Emufarmers>	yeah, that
[10:54:23] <Emufarmers>	o,o
[10:55:24] <Splarka>	well
[10:55:27] <Splarka>	if you wanted to ditch it
[10:55:52] <Splarka>	{{#switch:{{SERVER}}|http://www.mediawiki.org|https://secure.wikimedia.org=|#default=}}
[10:55:58] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r53108 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/ (9 files): update script with names which suits for the MW language fallback
[10:56:09] <Splarka>	and that makes sense
[10:56:16] <Splarka>	since off the wiki, there is no enforcement
[10:56:26] <Emufarmers>	Well, it definitely shouldn't show off-wiki
[11:00:22] *Splarka 	testywesty
[11:02:41] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:02:45] <Splarka>	damn tables
[11:03:56] <Splarka>	and damn translations
[11:04:11] <Emufarmers>	What are you doing?
[11:04:48] <Splarka>	something like this: http://p.defau.lt/?v0zLQoSVUg8o_PXR3cGl_w
[11:04:55] <Splarka>	but it won't work on the translations
[11:05:03] <Splarka>	without every translation using #switch
[11:05:10] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:05:12] <Splarka>	okay, idea
[11:05:51] <Emufarmers>	Eh, I don't think the off-wiki version needs _any_ message
[11:06:22] <Splarka>	courtesy? ^_^
[11:06:55] <Splarka>	well, humm
[11:07:14] <Splarka>	here is my revised idea: http://p.defau.lt/?8M1C1O1OY_jP4_PLm2bq9A
[11:07:44] <Splarka>	other option is to stick the switch outside the table
[11:07:49] <Splarka>	but then you get into {{!}}
[11:07:58] <Emufarmers>	What does the revised one do?
[11:08:37] <Splarka>	it lets each message define |exportedtext=
[11:08:47] <Splarka>	so for example
[11:09:00] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:PD_Help_Page/de&action=edit
[11:09:38] <Splarka>	{{PD Help Page|exportedtext=Das ist nicht licensed!}}
[11:09:49] <Splarka>	er -}} + |text=...
[11:10:26] <Emufarmers>	I'll take your word for it
[11:10:51] <Splarka>	well, exportedtext=Dies ist eine Kopie eines [[wikipedia:Public domain|public domain]] urspr�nglich von der Hilfe-Seite [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/{{FULLPAGENAMEE}} mediawiki.org].
[11:11:16] *Splarka 	shrugs
[11:11:38] <Splarka>	there is the magic, if ya wannit
[11:14:29] <Emufarmers>	Eh, don't fully get it, but sure, doo eet
[11:14:45] <Emufarmers>	I'm going through about 4000 recent changes, since I haven't done rc in a couple weeks
[11:24:18] <Emufarmers>	I think I'm almost up to where I was when I stopped
[11:32:58] <Splarka>	Emu: just loading a few thousand with a bit limit=?
[11:33:22] <Emufarmers>	and days=18
[11:33:48] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/ajaxrecentchanges.js
[11:34:04] <Emufarmers>	\o/
[11:34:23] <Emufarmers>	Is it mw.org-ready?
[11:34:41] <Splarka>	should be, give it a test-try
[11:35:00] <Splarka>	go to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage?blankspecial=ajaxrc
[11:35:32] <Splarka>	type in URL bar: javascript:void(importScriptURI('http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/ajaxrecentchanges.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript'));
[11:36:08] <Emufarmers>	Why is that necessary?
[11:36:21] <Splarka>	it isn't
[11:36:31] <Splarka>	but you can test it without editing your monobook.js to see if it works for you
[11:36:43] <Splarka>	in some browsers anyway (mozilla/ff)
[11:36:59] <Emufarmers>	Seems okay
[11:37:36] <Splarka>	you can stick this in your monobook.js then:  importScriptURI('http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Splarka/ajaxrecentchanges.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
[11:37:40] <Emufarmers>	Oh, wait, can I importScript cross-wiki?
[11:37:49] <Emufarmers>	kay
[11:37:55] <Splarka>	heh, with the ugly form, yah
[11:38:23] <Splarka>	some people want interwiki importscript ability, but that can't be core, until the interwiki table supports both 'pretty' and 'ugly' URLs
[11:38:36] <Splarka>	since you can't action=raw through /wiki/
[11:39:06] <Emufarmers>	Could add an exception for it
[11:39:12] <Emufarmers>	aren't there some of those already?
[11:39:18] <Splarka>	so there is local: importScript('page name');, very simple, and remote: importScriptURI('protocol://server/resource?parameters'); which is very ugly
[11:39:24] <Splarka>	well, yes
[11:39:28] <Splarka>	but these two functions are core js
[11:39:33] <Splarka>	all exceptions are project specific
[11:39:49] <Splarka>	would be silly to have exceptions in core for wmf wikis
[11:40:17] <Emufarmers>	Is it in an extension?
[11:40:32] <Splarka>	doubtful, just stuck in site js all over
[11:41:07] <Emufarmers>	:v
[11:41:21] <Splarka>	but, all you have to know,  is javascript:void(importScriptURI()); will work on any mediawiki install since 1.13
[11:42:32] <Emufarmers>	Doesn't seem to be showing up...
[11:42:37] <Emufarmers>	can you check that I did it right?
[11:42:52] <Emufarmers>	Also, you should make it a gadget o:
[11:43:53] *Splarka 	lookie
[11:44:08] <Splarka>	looks fine, where is it not showing up? do you have an error console?
[11:44:44] <Emufarmers>	Er, is it supposed to replace Special:Recentpages?
[11:45:11] <Splarka>	no
[11:45:20] <Splarka>	it adds a link to your toolbox
[11:45:24] <Emufarmers>	oh
[11:45:25] <Splarka>	I hate usurping Special: pages
[11:45:26] <Emufarmers>	I see
[11:45:34] <Splarka>	so I usurp Special:BlankPage
[11:45:36] <Splarka>	to annoy domas
[11:46:26] <Splarka>	wow
[11:46:46] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Foo?action=edit  3 message boxes, heh, and some text between em
[11:49:15] <Splarka>	okay, gadgetified
[11:51:56] <MorbusIff>	g'day. i'm setting up a third wiki in a wiki family. I've moved my LocalSettings.php out of the way. When I head to example.com/wiki/config/ to setup this new wiki's database tbles and initial conifg, etc., I keep receivign the "Please setup the wiki" page
[11:52:21] <MorbusIff>	(1.15.0)
[11:52:48] <Emufarmers>	MorbusIff: what family setup do you have?
[11:53:07] <MorbusIff>	Drupal-style, which uses a custom LocalSettings.php to pull in site-specific LocalSettings.php
[11:53:21] <MorbusIff>	which is why I moved the LocalSettings.php outta the way - in hopes that MW would start over.
[11:54:07] <Emufarmers>	Sounds like it could be your short URLs
[11:54:34] <MorbusIff>	go on?
[11:54:45] <Emufarmers>	Do you have a link to your wiki?
[11:55:07] <MorbusIff>	well, the LocalSettings.php is back in place, so you can see two of 'em at gamegrene.com/wiki and videounderbelly.com/wiki (nsfw)
[11:55:15] <MorbusIff>	the third wiki will be at disobey.com/wiki/
[11:55:21] <MorbusIff>	and i can remove the LS again so you can see what happens.
[11:55:27] <MorbusIff>	lemme know when
[11:55:44] <MorbusIff>	ohhhhh
[11:55:46] <MorbusIff>	you know, yeah.
[11:55:47] <Emufarmers>	Looks like I was right: you need http://www.disobey.com/w/config/index.php
[11:56:00] <MorbusIff>	 /wiki is my alias.
[11:56:01] <MorbusIff>	yeah
[11:56:01] <MorbusIff>	heh. whoops.
[11:56:11] <MorbusIff>	stupid stupid.
[11:56:53] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, I wonder if the installer should handle this better
[12:02:24] <MorbusIff>	Emufarmers: thanks for the sanity check
[12:03:52] <Emufarmers>	I'm always a check on people's sanity (best pun I can manage at this hour)
[12:04:59] <MorbusIff>	heh, no kidding.
[12:05:14] <MorbusIff>	i've been up for two hours, and i've got two nibblets running around being terrors.
[12:05:16] <Splarka>	well, he's more of a "wow, talking to him makes me question my own sanity"
[12:05:29] <MorbusIff>	(EST)
[12:06:00] <Emufarmers>	Splarka: that's what I was getting at, yeah
[12:06:05] <Play-Boy>	Guys, is it possible to limit registration only to users with e-mail, hosted on specific server
[12:06:14] <Play-Boy>	actually *@domain.net
[12:12:23] <hippietrail>	is rob church still involved with mediawiki?
[12:13:37] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Robchurch
[12:13:40] <Emufarmers>	I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no
[12:13:57] <hippietrail>	thats too bad. i rated him up there with brion and tim
[12:15:42] <Splarka>	in usefulness, or rogueness?
[12:16:37] <Emufarmers>	He seemed very productive; I don't know what happened
[12:17:10] <hippietrail>	i never experienced his rogueness
[12:17:28] <Splarka>	Play-Boy: not that I know of, though I remember Wikia tried to write an extension to do that (don't think it ever worked)
[12:17:46] <Splarka>	did he ever stab you? he sure stabbed me
[12:17:53] <hippietrail>	i used his extensions as basises for my own and he seemed to know his stuff
[12:18:51] <Emufarmers>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3Crobchurch%3E*stabs :\
[12:18:53] <Splarka>	Play-Boy: you could use (or write) an external authorization extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin and/or manually create accounts: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[12:19:11] <hippietrail>	well i always used to look at the code of those three guys to decide what i should do
[12:19:34] <Splarka>	possibly adapt that one to auto-create on a regex using the email addy, or somefin
[12:20:00] <Splarka>	Emufarmers: http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=robchurch.*stabs
[12:20:04] <Splarka>	but mostly in -tech
[12:20:25] <hippietrail>	who are the devs to watch these days besides brion tim roan and of course splarka for js stuff
[12:20:47] <Splarka>	ew
[12:20:52] *Splarka 	not dev
[12:21:15] <hippietrail>	jsdev
[12:21:23] <hippietrail>	you always have the answers i need
[12:21:32] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers
[12:21:33] <Emufarmers>	Splarka is more of a witch doctor than a dev
[12:21:45] <hippietrail>	hehe more than good enough for me
[12:21:55] <Splarka>	we/rdna, tomasz, tparscal
[12:22:15] <hippietrail>	what about simmetrical?
[12:22:26] <Splarka>	mdale, um... vvv...
[12:22:32] <hippietrail>	hehe even im on that list (-:
[12:23:03] <Splarka>	depends on what you mean by "watch" I guess
[12:23:04] <Emufarmers>	I think things are a lot more compartmentalized than they used to be, so it depends on what you're interested in, but I would keep an eye on Werdna, ^demon, Simetrical, and Aaron, among others
[12:23:13] <Splarka>	the ones making big changes of late are aforementioned
[12:23:20] <Splarka>	though Simetrical is planning to redo the skins
[12:23:21] <Emufarmers>	though this is a very weird conversation to be having when they're all in the room >_>
[12:23:37] <Splarka>	oh yes, ^demon is redoing maintenance
[12:24:04] <Play-Boy>	Splarka, thanks, I'll try out :)
[12:24:16] <hippietrail>	the ones who are really key. who grok pretty the big picture. the ones whose coding practices we should emulate
[12:24:39] <Splarka>	the newer devs are the fun ones
[12:24:49] <Splarka>	like Rememberthedot and his displaytitle changes: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Remember_the_dot
[12:25:02] <hippietrail>	they can join in or accept kudos (-:
[12:25:16] <Splarka>	fun == insane
[12:25:52] <hippietrail>	anyone besides brion and tim have a blog?
[12:26:06] <Emufarmers>	There's the tech blog
[12:26:37] <Emufarmers>	Other people post there too
[12:26:52] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet_Wikimedia
[12:27:00] <Emufarmers>	and yeah, that
[12:27:01] <hippietrail>	yeah i got that one
[12:27:04] <Emufarmers>	http://blog.werdn.us/
[12:27:59] <hippietrail>	thanks
[12:29:30] <Emufarmers>	I feel the same way about Rob, by the way: I'm constantly coming across extensions or code he created
[12:31:38] <Emufarmers>	ooh, ^demonblog: http://anyonecanedit.org/blog/
[12:31:40] *Emufarmers 	stalks
[12:32:43] <Emufarmers>	o: brion wedding pix
[12:33:42] <Splarka>	so where is a stalk-aggregator, that will stalk every public thing someone does... blogs, tweets, myspacefacetubes, wiki contributions, public irc/msn/aim/skype, forum posts, public archive mailing lists...
[12:34:06] <Emufarmers>	Splarka: sounds like something you should cobble together out of js and pixie dust
[12:34:31] <hippietrail>	isn't pixiedust patented by disney?
[12:34:59] <Splarka>	that expired, but they still hold a trademark on the brand name
[12:35:10] <Splarka>	so you can use generic, without calling it "Pixie Dust"
[12:36:03] <hippietrail>	nymph dirt?
[12:37:18] <Alphos>	fairy powder
[12:37:26] <Alphos>	just avoid angel dust :/
[12:37:29] <hippietrail>	elf fluff
[12:38:54] <Splarka>	wisp mud
[12:43:47] <cybunk>	hello
[12:45:31] <hippietrail>	http://mituzas.lt/
[12:47:06] <cybunk>	do you know if we can install flaggedRevs on mediawiki 1.5 ?
[12:47:55] <Splarka>	<Splarka> the very earliest tests with it were for 1.10
[12:47:56] <Splarka>	<Splarka> and it doesn't appear in the branches until 1.12: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/extensions/FlaggedRevs/
[12:48:01] <Splarka>	(per -scripts)
[12:49:40] <Emufarmers>	dammit.lt wasn't classy enough?
[13:03:49] <CIA-58>	03vasilievvv * r53109 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/parser/Parser.php): Add function-like tag hooks. They are tags, which content is not preprocessed. Those hooks has access to PPFrame and are parsed on preprocessing stage. They might be useful for built-in programming languages.
[13:07:41] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, I'm up to June 28 :/
[13:08:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[13:10:48] <wonder>	hi guys
[13:11:01] <wonder>	i have a problem with a newly installed mediawiki
[13:11:16] <wonder>	mediawiki 1.15.0 and xcache
[13:11:34] <wonder>	Warning: xcache_set() [function.xcache-set]: xcache.var_size is either 0 or too small to enable var data caching in /home/wiki/wiki.archlinux.ro/includes/BagOStuff.php on line 654
[13:11:51] <wonder>	i've set up xcache var size up to 128M and still get the warning
[13:12:16] <Emufarmers>	Are you sure you adjusted the right configuration file for it?
[13:12:33] <wonder>	in LocalSettings.php?
[13:12:48] <Emufarmers>	No, I mean xcache.var_size
[13:12:51] <wonder>	yes
[13:13:09] <wonder>	now is set up to 16M
[13:13:16] <wonder>	http://wiki.archlinux.ro/test.php
[13:13:31] <wonder>	what's the optim value?
[13:13:52] <wonder>	xcache.var_size  =            64M
[13:13:57] <wonder>	xcache.size  =                64M
[13:18:26] <Emufarmers>	Heh, I checked the annotated source so I could tell you who to bother for xcache issues; turns out xcache support was added by Rob Church
[13:18:41] <hippietrail>	doh
[13:18:58] <wonder>	is a new feature?
[13:19:15] <Emufarmers>	No, that was the joke; Rob left a couple years ago
[13:19:24] <wonder>	oh ok
[13:20:17] <Emufarmers>	Anyway, I don't know how well-tested the xcache support is; I think the attitude is usually just "do whatever you do with APC and it'll probably be fine"; you may want to check bugzilla and file something if there isn't already a bug on this
[13:21:44] <Emufarmers>	http://tinyurl.com/mdxazz yeah, doesn't look like there's been a lot of work one way or the other on the xcache front :D
[13:22:29] <wonder>	i'm thinking to disable it :)
[13:24:01] <Emufarmers>	Well, it'd be nice if you could file a bug; if there's an issue here, you're probably not the only one having it
[13:24:14] <Emufarmers>	though I certainly wouldn't blame you if you switched to APC or eAccelerator :)
[13:25:24] <wonder>	i'm thinking that is a configuration problem to xcache.ini
[13:25:48] <Emufarmers>	Hmm
[13:26:13] <Emufarmers>	http://www.google.com/search?q=%22xcache.var_size+is+either+0+or+too+small+to+enable+var+data%22 yes, does look like more of an xcache issue than an MW one
[13:26:43] <jdpond>	I contacted Rob after he disappeared.  He said it was for personal reasons, but he didn't foresee being a part of the MediaWiki community any time in the foreseeable future (that was 2 years ago).  I haven't had a chance to visit Merry old England since then, but when I do, I intended to personally think him with choclates and tea.  He was a huge asset to the community.
[13:27:23] <jdpond>	Never did find out what happened.
[13:29:15] <due>	<3333 robchurch
[13:29:24] <Emufarmers>	o,o
[13:29:39] <hippietrail>	thanks jdpond 
[13:34:53] <Emufarmers>	wonder: are you absolutely sure there isn't an .htaccess file or something in your wiki directory that's overriding the settings or something?  If it's not that, all I can imagine is that either the xcache settings need tuning or perhaps there isn't enough memory available.
[13:37:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page with javascript .focus() method - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  (10trythirdtime)
[13:37:28] <avar>	Whatever you do, don't emulate me:)
[13:37:50] <avar>	Splarka: So you know JS eh?:)
[13:38:16] <wonder>	Emufarmers, i'm sure that i don't have .htaccess
[13:38:20] <wonder>	is a newly installed wiki
[13:38:23] <Splarka>	no!
[13:38:23] *Splarka 	hisses
[13:38:40] <wonder>	here is my current ini http://wiki.archlinux.ro/xcache.ini
[13:38:41] <Splarka>	avar: I write gadgets with the api, I don't touch insane stuff like slippy maps or popups ^_^
[13:39:00] *Splarka 	handcuffs thedj to avar
[13:40:18] <wonder>	and memory i have half used
[13:40:23] <wonder>	448/768
[13:41:03] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864#c46  "You clowns have spent easily a hundred times more effort trying to get out of this simple bug fix than doing it."
[13:41:06] <Emufarmers>	wonder: dunno, then.  Guess you'll have to ask the xcache people
[13:41:12] <wonder>	ok
[13:41:56] <avar>	Splarka: mm, I just have to implement delay loading:)
[13:42:24] <Splarka>	setTimeout is your friend?
[13:42:32] <avar>	I wonder what's that's usually called, because I can't find examples on the gewgle using those keywords
[13:42:55] <dilip>	u know wat.. shit man.. iv forgooting how to use irc commands.. its been a while...lol
[13:42:58] <Splarka>	you mean how it sorta loads the slightly off-screen stuff for a few squares and then stops, until you move closer to them?
[13:43:13] <dilip>	later ppl..
[13:44:13] <avar>	The SlippyMap plugin requires ~220k of JS if you click on a static map because it needs to bring in the OpenLayers library at that point.
[13:44:31] <Splarka>	oh, delayed /script/ loading
[13:44:42] <avar>	ah, yes, right:)
[13:44:49] <Splarka>	thought ya meant images
[13:44:54] <Splarka>	I guess "on demand"
[13:45:23] <Splarka>	http://www.google.com/search?q=ajax+map+on+demand+script+loading
[13:45:28] <avar>	basically: click object -> load js url -> make this as quick as possible so that people don't notice a delay if they've loaded the object before
[13:45:34] <Splarka>	oh, "lazy load" seems to be google's term
[13:45:39] <avar>	whee
[13:47:03] <avar>	http://wonko.com/docs/lazyload/files/lazyload-js.html
[13:48:29] <stephan48>	does anyone have an idea why mediawiki.org needs so long to load?
[13:49:01] <Emufarmers>	Gremlins
[13:49:08] <Emufarmers>	Does seem slow at the moment
[13:49:09] <Splarka>	seems a bit heavy, I'd just create a <script> object, or ajax and eval() it, heh
[13:51:23] <avar>	Splarka: ah, yes http://ajaxpatterns.org/On-Demand_Javascript
[13:51:56] <Splarka>	stephan48: a bunch of people just came into #wikimedia-tech say the same thing about commons/dewp/etc
[13:52:01] <avar>	"    *  Inserting script element into the DOM means that if the file is cached in the browser then the cache is used. This is not possible with XMLHttpRequest. "
[13:52:53] <Splarka>	well, it is possible-ish...
[13:53:07] <CIA-58>	03vasilievvv * r53110 10/trunk/extensions/InlineScripts/ (6 files in 2 dirs): InlineScripts: added exception handling, break/continue, isset/unset, testing suite, and some other things
[13:53:09] <Splarka>	just not on different pages
[13:53:36] <Splarka>	also, a downside to <script> is, you can't repeat actions, so a callback in a <script> works once, and a duplicate call to the same URL does nothing
[13:53:49] <Splarka>	(not a problem for defining functions and loading libraries)
[13:53:51] <vvv>	InlineScripts is almost ready :)
[13:54:07] <Splarka>	anyway, wikibits.js has importScriptURI() already, that we added
[13:54:12] <wonder>	Emufarmers, now is working 
[13:54:16] <Splarka>	a simple dom method of rudely inserting <script>
[13:54:26] <wonder>	how can i know that xcache is working?
[13:55:08] <avar>	Splarka: the limitations of <script> are not a problem, all I want to do is just replace <script>, i.e. load a couple of libraries
[13:55:27] <Splarka>	importScriptURI(stylepath + '/common/flibble.js')
[13:55:39] <Splarka>	works in any mediawiki 1.13 and up
[13:55:55] <Splarka>	you can even var it...
[13:56:01] <Splarka>	var foo = importScriptURI(stylepath + '/common/flibble.js')
[13:56:13] <Splarka>	and later.. foo.src = '...somethingelse.js' 
[13:56:20] <Emufarmers>	wonder: your wiki will be faster (you set $wgMainCacheType and friends, right?)
[13:56:34] <wonder>	yep
[13:56:44] <Emufarmers>	APC has a readout that lets you see stats on it; I don't know whether xcache has such a thing
[13:57:04] <Splarka>	avar: haha, ajaxpatterns.org is on 1.5.1
[13:57:11] <wonder>	thx for helping
[13:57:23] <Emufarmers>	np
[13:58:23] <Emufarmers>	Heh, avar's name wasn't even on Special:Version back then
[13:59:34] <avar>	nice:)
[14:00:05] *Emufarmers 	gives sleep another try
[14:00:16] <LauraHale>	Sleep is good. :)
[14:00:23] *LauraHale 	tucks Emufarmers into bed. :D
[14:02:27] <avar>	Splarka: Is the importScriptURI() call guarenteed to be blocking? So I can do in my onclick handler: if(!some_js_symbol_that's_defined_on_load) { display_spinning_wait_ball(); importScriptURI(); } main_code() ?
[14:03:17] <Splarka>	hmmmm
[14:03:29] <Splarka>	yknow, I never actually tried it thusly
[14:03:54] <Splarka>	it /might/ if your onclick has a "return importScriptURI();"
[14:04:27] <Splarka>	but actually, I think that will just return the script element node, and not the success of the src loading thereof, just false if it fails to insert the dom
[14:04:52] <Splarka>	which is, of course, annoying for your needs
[14:05:41] <Splarka>	so, yah, you need something in the loaded js to activate when it loads
[14:05:58] <Splarka>	or possibly an .onload on the script object (legal? works for images anyway)
[14:13:51] <jdpond>	TimStarling: I'm posting NSFileRepo extension which extends Duesentrieb lockdown protection to image/file by creating a new local repo class and putting the functionality there.  Your repo work is sheer genius and was a delight to work from.
[14:16:08] <jdpond>	Only patch needed is to wfStripIllegalFilenameChars because the format is:  File:[ns]:filename.txt, and that strips ":", which wouldn't allow namespace designation.
[14:17:18] <jdpond>	Also patching img_auth.php, (see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646), but can always just have that as a separate different name if not approved.
[14:17:32] <Plisk>	Creating a company to develop, maintain and support well-known open-source projects - http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-779681.html
[14:25:12] *Reedy 	refrains from asking where the money is coming from
[14:26:21] <jdpond>	TimStarling: http://dpaste.org/QIZx/ shows an alternative to patching GlobalFunctions going forward which allows file/title name restrictions to be a Repo function - and configurable by repo.  However, could have performance issues.  Your thoughts? 
[14:26:47] <Reedy>	jdpond, he's a bit busy atm, theres some server issues
[14:27:17] <jdpond>	Sorry.  This isn't urgent or important. Thanks for the head's up.
[14:29:46] <Plisk>	Reedy: and you are right about that
[14:30:04] <Reedy>	Plisk, i was just flicking through the posts
[14:30:14] <Plisk>	aha
[14:30:19] <Reedy>	If you gave people some idea, you wouldnt get such a bad reception. As its a good idea
[14:31:23] <Plisk>	i don't care about reception. lets talk about business - what open source projects you are personally work on and would like to be paid off ?
[14:32:12] <Reedy>	http://sourceforge.net/projects/autowikibrowser/ and http://en.wikipedia/wiki/WP:AWB
[14:32:45] <Reedy>	Is the main OS project i co-develop
[14:37:00] <Reedy>	Plisk, what sort of scale are you wanting to take this?
[14:42:00] <Plisk>	Reedy: i'll look into that project, thank you. Scale - global, world scale
[14:47:38] <Plisk>	Reedy: could you tell me your contacts, so i'll write to you when i'll look into that project ? now its quite a lot of going here
[14:55:42] <CIA-58>	03thomasv * r53111 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/SpecialProofreadPages.php: minor fix
[15:31:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account creation not being "AntiSpoofed" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19659  -shell  (10chenzhengwei2002)
[15:44:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page with javascript .focus() method - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  (10sindre.froyn)
[16:01:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Logged in as another user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19158  (10pharosofalexandria)
[16:02:13] <Danwe>	hi
[16:03:25] <Danwe>	is it possible to enhance the log Spcialpage to add another logbook?
[16:07:58] <pvtpetey>	hi
[16:08:01] <pvtpetey>	�=
[16:08:07] <pvtpetey>	:)
[16:11:07] <pvtpetey>	I'm a sysop on karikuy.org/perupedia and I'm trying to reverse engineer wikipedias featured picture... err feature. Perhaps someone could help me ? I'm pretty stuck around the template:potd/day
[16:14:11] <Danwe>	wikipedia has dofferent options in its special:log. How can I add some in my extension?
[16:33:50] <Prodego>	Danwe: Special:Version has the list of installed extentions
[16:57:40] <petey>	back
[16:57:50] <petey>	!history
[16:57:50] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "history". You might try: !lazy 
[16:57:59] <petey>	!lazy
[16:57:59] --mwbot--	Don't rely on the bot answers too much, I am not always the best answer to every question. And don't immediately reach for the bot to answer a question, without at least checking the recent channel history to see if someone already botted them. Also, if someone says "can anyone help me", check that they haven't already stated the question and been told not to repeat themselves (reducing them to ask "can anyone help me?").
[16:58:10] <petey>	!help
[16:58:10] --mwbot--		Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/botbrain.html >
[16:59:27] <Annemarie>	petey: Please test in private message or in #mwbot
[16:59:57] <petey>	appologies
[17:00:02] <petey>	sry
[17:00:06] <MrZ-man>	don't we have a bot message for that?
[17:00:43] <Danwe>	Prodego: I know. Thats not what I meant. I'D like to develope a extension which enhances Special:Log.
[17:00:47] <Prodego>	!botnoob right
[17:00:47] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "botnoob".
[17:00:51] <Prodego>	maybe with 0
[17:00:52] <petey>	just wanted to get the channel history in case someone answered my question on POTD
[17:00:54] <Prodego>	don't know
[17:01:29] <Platonides>	petey, it's all built over templates
[17:01:44] <petey>	i.e. how to implement it
[17:02:33] <Platonides>	how it works for you
[17:03:28] <Platonides>	it's usually at templates like {{POTD/11-7-2009}}
[17:03:51] <Platonides>	and so the current one can be called by {{POTD/{{CURRENTDAY}}-{{CURRENTMONTH}}-{{CURRENTYEAR}}}}
[17:04:16] <petey>	mm yeah.. but do you have to create that or is it auto created?
[17:04:48] <Platonides>	you need to create the {{POTD/11-7-2009}} template
[17:05:07] <Platonides>	there may be a base template for the format
[17:05:22] <Platonides>	or perhaps the filename is at one template and the description at a second one...
[17:05:26] <petey>	yeah I copied one over from wikipedia
[17:05:34] <petey>	but it had a lot of freaky code in it
[17:05:46] <petey>	let me see if I can find it
[17:06:07] <Platonides>	try to make it in a way you understand it
[17:06:27] <petey>	http://www.karikuy.org/perupedia/index.php?title=Template:POTD/DAY
[17:06:49] <petey>	basic is best.. you're right :)
[17:11:24] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r53112 10/trunk/debs/squid/debian/errors/error.html: updating Chinese error messages, adding Cantonese error message.
[17:14:08] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r53113 10/trunk/debs/squid/debian/errors/error.html: minor fix for link on r53112
[17:31:13] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r53114 10/trunk/debs/squid/debian/errors/error.html: Adding Hungarian translation per bug 13502
[17:33:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add Hungarian localization for the servers unavailable error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13502  +comment (10shinjiman)
[17:43:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) wikipedia project page error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19661 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (jayantanth)
[17:48:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add Bulgarian translation of the server error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14738  +comment (10shinjiman)
[17:48:07] <CIA-58>	03shinjiman * r53115 10/trunk/debs/squid/debian/errors/error.html: Adding Bulgarian translation per bug 14738
[17:53:42] <Danwe>	in which php file can I find the LogPager class?
[17:53:55] <Danwe>	any ideas
[17:54:11] <TimStarling>	try LogEventsList.php
[17:54:16] <Annemarie>	http://google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=package%3Asvn.wikimedia.org%2Fsvnroot%2Fmediawiki%2Ftrunk+file%3Aphase3%2F+LogPager
[17:54:55] <Danwe>	thank you
[17:59:18] <Danwe>	is there any help for creating own log types?
[18:00:22] <Annemarie>	Steal code from extensions that do it already?
[18:01:49] <Danwe>	cant find very much
[18:01:51] <Danwe>	I found Extension:Newuserlog
[18:01:52] <werdna>	that's what I did to learn it
[18:01:56] <Danwe>	but cant get the source
[18:01:57] <werdna>	that's an old extension
[18:02:08] <werdna>	look into $wgLog*
[18:02:20] <Annemarie>	Renameuser does logging.
[18:02:21] <werdna>	look at e.g. AbuseFilter, GlobalBlocking
[18:02:30] <Annemarie>	Or listen to werdna. :-)
[18:02:45] <Danwe>	thanks, I will try some of these
[18:05:11] <Danwe>	found something: http://www.organicdesign.co.nz/Extension:UserLoginLog.php
[18:07:00] <werdna>	that's a bit freaky
[18:07:06] <Danwe>	why?
[18:07:13] <werdna>	User login log?
[18:07:15] <werdna>	seriously
[18:07:34] <Danwe>	hehe, its not exactly what I want to log but It's a start ;-)
[18:07:56] <Annemarie>	Try an extension in SVN.
[18:08:03] <Annemarie>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/
[18:08:10] <Annemarie>	That code is probably more recent and stable.
[18:09:19] <Danwe>	Thank you. Just recorgnized that the extension doesn't work so good with the newest wiki
[18:09:43] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r53116 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (SpecialListUserRestrictions.php SpecialRestrictUser.php): renamed NAMESPACE constant to NAMESPACE_RESTRICTION (and PAGE to PAGE_RESTRICTION for consistency) to avoid E_PARSE on PHP 5.3+
[18:11:51] <werdna>	oh good, another bolt-on restrictions table
[18:12:21] <ialex>	dunno why those files are still there
[18:12:43] <ialex>	(feature was reverted, but files not deleted)
[18:13:01] <werdna>	reverted again?
[18:13:07] <werdna>	vvv recommitted it, I think
[18:13:12] <ialex>	yes
[18:13:26] <ialex>	but they were not deleted on first revert
[18:13:45] <ialex>	should I delete them?
[18:15:26] *werdna 	shrugs
[18:15:33] <werdna>	comment on the revert revision
[18:15:57] <petey>	question : Is there an indexed list of mediawiki {{}} tags somewhere on the interweb ? I tried searching google for some time but couldn't turn up anything
[18:16:34] <ialex>	werdna: this would be r41405
[18:18:50] <Nikerabbit>	petey: {{ can mean many things
[18:19:50] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: really?
[18:20:03] <Nikerabbit>	does php fuck up with class constants and reserwed keywords?
[18:20:33] <Rjd0060>	petey: Maybe http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words ?  If not, one of the links at the top of the page?
[18:20:57] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: class constants, function names and class names
[18:21:03] <ialex>	maybe some more
[18:21:10] <ialex>	(at least not variables)
[18:21:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show LATER and possibly WONTFIX bugs in default Bugzilla search? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19650  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:27:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikipedia project page error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19661   +shell; +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[18:27:42] <petey>	looking.. :)
[18:28:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528  (10roan.kattouw)
[18:28:42] <Danwe>	If I understood my source code examples here right, I can create LogPage Objects which create a DB entry in the logging table for everything I want?
[18:29:27] <Danwe>	And I don't need a new DB Table to logg something completly new what nobody else would log ;-)
[18:29:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[18:32:34] <petey>	seems gd thnx
[18:34:22] <anene>	hello 
[18:34:29] <anene>	ineed help
[18:35:15] <anene>	serious issues with my ubuntu
[18:35:50] <anene>	i can't any sound on my ubuntu
[18:37:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593  (10innocentkiller)
[18:37:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Abuse filter in Persian wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19642  (10agarrett)
[18:37:53] <Rjd0060>	anene: #ubuntu might be better
[18:38:22] <anene>	i don't get how?
[18:38:44] <Rjd0060>	/join #ubuntu
[18:39:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[18:43:19] <anene>	#ubuntu
[18:59:00] <GuidodB>	Hi, I have a question about the watchlist. On some wiki's, I can see back to the beginning, on others there is a hard limit of 7 or 30 days. Changing preferences or editing the query manually has no effect. What determines this, and how can it be customized?
[19:02:03] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r53117 10/trunk/extensions/RandomInCategory/ (SpecialRandomincategory.body.php SpecialRandomincategory.php): (bug 19626) fix RandomInCategory's case to match alias definition (was Randomincategory)
[19:02:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RandomInCategory gives "No such special page" post r48811 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19626  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:02:43] <Danwe>	someone knows what attribute "log_params" in table "logging" is good for??
[19:04:42] <vvv>	werdna: RestrictUser isn't in trunk
[19:04:45] <werdna>	ah
[19:05:06] <ialex>	GuidodB: it's limited by $wgRCMaxAge
[19:05:07] <vvv>	werdna: brion just forgot to revert it completely
[19:05:15] <werdna>	ah
[19:05:15] <vvv>	So those files are useless
[19:05:29] *ialex 	deletes them
[19:06:24] <GuidodB>	Thanks Ialex
[19:07:00] *GuidodB 	is now waiting for ten minutes for that page to load
[19:08:07] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r53118 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/ (SpecialListUserRestrictions.php SpecialRestrictUser.php): follow-up r53116: let's just delete the files since the feature was reverted in r41405 but these files were not deleted
[19:10:09] <GuidodB>	Why does the watchlist depend on the recent changes buffer? It could just as easily check the page histories, which are complete
[19:12:54] <ialex>	GuidodB: would be very slow
[19:13:09] <ialex>	and would miss log items
[19:14:44] <CIA-58>	03vrandezo * r53119 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/SMW_setup.php: counter.php has been removed, changed to wfCountDown (or a replacement as long as MW1.16 is not released)
[19:14:46] <GuidodB>	Hmm. The log times are also in the tables, I think
[19:15:38] <ialex>	GuidodB: yes, but not the same table
[19:17:17] <GuidodB>	Time should not be an issue, compared to page history checking - which people will do extra when the watchlist is of no help, btw
[19:24:45] <dergringo>	Hi is there a promblem with downloading extensions?
[19:24:59] <Annemarie>	Which extension?
[19:25:04] <Annemarie>	Which version?
[19:25:11] <dergringo>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit
[19:25:27] <dergringo>	ohh nevermind. It kust worked after a downtime :)
[19:47:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Redirects in search not properly handled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19662 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (subfader)
[19:54:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[20:14:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting "{{#ask: ... |link=none}}" works, but "{{#ask: ... |link= none}}" does not. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18910  (10dan.bolser)
[20:15:57] <CIA-58>	03vrandezo * r53120 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/ (. SMW_conceptCache.php SMW_refreshData.php): counter.php has been removed, changed to wfCountDown (or a replacement as long as MW1.16 is not released)
[20:21:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528  +comment (10Platonides)
[20:59:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Apache dies with "allowed memory size exhausted" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19663 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (admin)
[21:03:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Apache dies with "allowed memory size exhausted" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19663  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:04:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Apache dies with "allowed memory size exhausted" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19663  (10N/A)
[21:14:48] <domas>	HIIII
[21:19:01] <werdna>	hey domas
[21:20:17] <cimon>	domas: in deep or into the shallow water, I am running for the board sea.
[21:20:20] <cimon>	*seat
[21:21:25] <domas>	haha
[21:21:29] <domas>	not your first time, is it?
[21:22:01] <svip>	Oi oi.
[21:26:16] <svip>	Is Pika really that fun?
[21:29:15] <cimon>	domas: no, but I feel I have to do it, if for no other reason than to prove that ẃhen I am going to whip every candidates ass with serious questions, I am not doing it because I am afraid of grasping the nettle myself.
[21:29:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API list=allusers should implement account creation cutoff dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19664 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (jidanni)
[21:29:39] <svip>	cimon: Ooo will their be live debates?
[21:29:53] <svip>	there*
[21:30:19] <cimon>	domas: my personal view is we should have a two tiered elections process, that would get the trolls out of the way before the final debate.
[21:30:46] <svip>	Like in France?
[21:30:54] <cimon>	I have no idea.
[21:31:01] <cimon>	what france does.
[21:31:16] <cimon>	though I would so plug Segolene up the ass.
[21:31:31] <cimon>	;-)
[21:31:35] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53121 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/ (3 files): Allow whitespace input to <slippymap> so that {{#tag:slippymap}} works too
[21:36:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page with javascript .focus() method - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  (10bob)
[21:37:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Automatic category redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3311  (10ipatrol6010)
[21:48:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) new extension: cooperation statstics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19665 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (alfred.maghi)
[21:52:40] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53122 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.php: Documentation for the config variables
[21:54:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) extension to list pages with the most revisors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19632  (10alfred.maghi)
[22:01:18] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53123 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/ (SlippyMap.class.php SlippyMap.css slippyMapParserTests.txt): 
[22:01:18] <CIA-58>	* (bug 19657) Remove caption support: After some experimenting about
[22:01:18] <CIA-58>	with embedding the parser I determined that this is just the wrong
[22:01:18] <CIA-58>	approach. If someone wants a map caption they can trivially add one
[22:01:18] <CIA-58>	by combining the <slippymap/> tag with a HTML table. Supporting this
[22:01:22] <CIA-58>	in the extension is always going to be a limited hack that just adds
[22:01:24] <CIA-58>	complexity.
[22:01:28] <CIA-58>	03vrandezo * r53124 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/.project: deleted empty project file
[22:01:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove caption="" support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19657  (10avarab)
[22:03:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Write parsertests that use {{#tag:slippymap}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19652  (10avarab)
[22:06:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add alt=/title= attributes to slippymap extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19666 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[22:13:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Don't display OpenLayers control when printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19667 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[22:20:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Write a script to generate a unique installation of OpenLayers for every supported user language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19651  summary (10jidanni)
[22:23:12] <CIA-58>	03avar * r53125 10/trunk/extensions/SlippyMap/SlippyMap.css: 
[22:23:12] <CIA-58>	* (bug 19667) Don't display OL controls when printing.
[22:23:12] <CIA-58>	This gets rid of all the OL controls when under @media print *except*
[22:23:12] <CIA-58>	the pan/zoom controls. I tried to display: none several OL CSS classes
[22:23:12] <CIA-58>	with likely names with no results.
[22:23:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't display OpenLayers control when printing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19667  (10avarab)
[22:50:16] <Silly2>	Hello, on Wikipedai there is a PDF version link in the tools. Does anyone know what extension this is? Or if it is in the newer versions of MediaWiki?
[22:50:40] <domas>	'collection'
[22:50:45] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) API list=allusers should implement account creation cutoff dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19664  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[22:52:27] <Silly2>	Thanks Domas
[22:54:53] <CIA-58>	03jdpond * r53126 10/trunk/extensions/NSFileRepo/: 
[22:54:53] <CIA-58>	The NSFileRepo extension implements a way to restrict access to specific files
[22:54:53] <CIA-58>	and images to a given set of user groups using a new local file repository. This
[22:54:53] <CIA-58>	provides a more fine grained security model and allows access restriction to
[22:54:53] <CIA-58>	users in specified groups.
[23:01:01] <CIA-58>	03jdpond * r53127 10/trunk/extensions/NSFileRepo/ (24 files in 10 dirs): Release 0.0 of NSFileRepo Extension
[23:01:13] <domas>	0.0
[23:01:15] <domas>	\o/
[23:02:50] <Skizzerz>	because of that, I now want to write an extension that starts at version 1.0 and counts down
[23:03:19] <Skizzerz>	(e.g. version 0.0 would be the "full release" where everything that was planned got implemented, then future versions can be like -0.1, etc.)
[23:03:51] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Apache dies with "allowed memory size exhausted" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19663  +comment (10admin)
[23:04:01] *Skizzerz 	brbs
[23:07:14] <Nikerabbit>	Tim-away: is installer still setting only 20M as memory limit?
[23:09:59] <jdpond>	Domas: I've actually tested it, and it works perfectly.  But I want to make sure it works in 1.13.0 and 1.14.0 before giving it a real release version 1.0.  Also needed to show it because of some questions Brion asked about bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646 
[23:10:55] <domas>	=)
[23:12:15] <jdpond>	NSFileRepo Gives complete namespace protection for files/images - something some of us need for mixed usage wikis (I use it for development of RFPs, etc).  Also using it for some program planning activities around GreenPrint community proposals before opening up outside the commission.
[23:12:25] <TheWoozle>	Does anyone have any experience with a page title having "+" characters in it (by accident, don't know how it happened)?
[23:12:37] <TheWoozle>	There doesn't seem to be any way of referring to the page in order to delete or move it.
[23:12:54] <Skizzerz>	url-encode the +
[23:12:59] <TheWoozle>	doesn't work.
[23:13:04] <TheWoozle>	It just gets converted to a space.
[23:13:11] <TheWoozle>	Here, take a look...
[23:13:21] *jdpond 	Appropriately chastised.  Will change to 1.0
[23:13:25] <TheWoozle>	http://fr.issuepedia.org/Travail%2Bdu%2Bdimanche
[23:13:44] <TheWoozle>	I've tried the /index.php?title= syntax too.
[23:14:17] <TheWoozle>	Ok, I *thought* I had tried it.
[23:14:31] <TheWoozle>	It works with the %2B instead of + characters.
[23:14:43] <TheWoozle>	Thanks for letting me bounce this off a wall until it hit me in the right place...
[23:14:49] *TheWoozle 	goes to rename the page
[23:14:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Support local names in our PostGIS schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19668 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[23:15:16] <TheWoozle>	Hmm, still can't move the bloody thing...
[23:15:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support local names in our PostGIS schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19668  (10avarab)
[23:16:46] <TheWoozle>	(There... index.php?title= syntax for the move specialpage made it work.)
[23:17:00] <TheWoozle>	Still, that seems like a bit of a bug.
[23:17:18] <Skizzerz>	well, + is a space in query strings
[23:17:49] <Skizzerz>	there's a way to get around that issue, but I'm not sure how exactly off the top of my head
[23:18:38] <TheWoozle>	MW shouldn't let that character get into a title, though, since that's the case.
[23:19:00] <Skizzerz>	as I said, there is a way to get around it, and it works just fine on Wikipedia
[23:19:09] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[23:19:14] <TheWoozle>	It's probably a "short URLs"-only issue, I guess.
[23:19:19] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[23:19:24] <Skizzerz>	I think it depends on how you implement your short URLs
[23:19:29] <Nikerabbit>	isn't + by default not allowed in titles?
[23:19:36] <Skizzerz>	are you using mod_alias or mod_rewrite?
[23:19:45] <Skizzerz>	Nikerabbit: it's allowed iirc
[23:19:47] <TheWoozle>	rewrite, I think... *checks*...
[23:19:52] <Nikerabbit>	Skizzerz: nah
[23:20:25] <Nikerabbit>	doesn't work for us either, fortunately I don't care
[23:20:26] <Skizzerz>	$wgLegalTitleChars = " %!\"$&'()*,\\-.\\/0-9:;=?@A-Z\\\\^_`a-z~\\x80-\\xFF+";
[23:20:28] <TheWoozle>	Yeah, rewrite. Is alias better?
[23:20:37] <Skizzerz>	TheWoozle: depends on your setup
[23:20:43] *TheWoozle 	nods
[23:20:56] <Skizzerz>	where are your wiki files actually installed and what are you rewriting too?
[23:20:58] <Skizzerz>	*to?
[23:21:01] <TheWoozle>	When I first worked out my short URLs technique, I don't think there was a help page on short URLs yet...
[23:21:20] <TheWoozle>	...so I should probably just go read that at some point and see how everyone else is doing it.
[23:21:38] <TheWoozle>	It's just a domain-root installation, nothing fancy.
[23:21:54] <Skizzerz>	so your wiki files are in your web root?
[23:21:56] <OverlordQ>	isn't domain root considered "Not Good" ?
[23:22:08] <TheWoozle>	Yes, it's considered Not Good, but I prefer it ;-)
[23:22:13] <Nikerabbit>	OverlordQ: nah
[23:22:18] <TheWoozle>	Yes, the wiki is installed in the domain root.
[23:22:25] <Skizzerz>	then alias won't work
[23:22:27] <TheWoozle>	wiki files and URL
[23:22:31] <TheWoozle>	Ah.
[23:22:32] <Nikerabbit>	it's "do it if you want, but don't ask me for help"
[23:22:37] <Skizzerz>	!rewriteproblems
[23:22:37] --mwbot--	1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[23:22:43] <Skizzerz>	see 2 and 3
[23:22:57] <TheWoozle>	Yeah, I figured. Now I know that this problem is caused by that, I'll not ask for further help with it ;-)
[23:23:09] <Nikerabbit>	TheWoozle: do you really need pages with + in titles?
[23:23:17] <TheWoozle>	No, it was an accident.
[23:23:24] <TheWoozle>	I didn't create the page; someone else did.
[23:23:31] <TheWoozle>	I'm trying to find out how... >.>
[23:23:33] <Nikerabbit>	you could take + off the allowed title chars and get away with it
[23:23:54] <TheWoozle>	That's a thought. Would make sense to do that if they fight with my rewrite scheme.
[23:24:25] <Skizzerz>	TheWoozle: yes, as a temp fix put the following in LocalSettings.php: $wgLegalTitleChars = " %!\"$'()*,\\-.\\/0-9:;=@A-Z\\\\^_`a-z~\\x80-\\xFF";
[23:24:38] *TheWoozle 	copies/pastes
[23:24:40] <Skizzerz>	basically disallows +, &, and ?, all three of which are problematic in URLs
[23:26:16] <Skizzerz>	the issue I think stems from using the QSA rule in mod_rewrite as opposed to using Alias to map the virtual directory to the real one
[23:26:30] <TheWoozle>	Will that affect accented characters? I don't see them listed, but maybe they get translated into HTML entities or something?
[23:27:20] <Nikerabbit>	Skizzerz: I'm using QSA too... because I like appending ?uselang=foo :o
[23:28:09] <Skizzerz>	yeah, I agree that it's a useful feature
[23:29:09] <Skizzerz>	actually... QSA doesn't have anything to do with it now that I think about it, it's probably that mod_rewrite itself doesn't encode URI metacharacters like + when rewriting something into a query string
[23:29:22] <Skizzerz>	TheWoozle: accented characters are part of that list
[23:29:36] <Skizzerz>	that's what the \\x80-\\xFF covers (among other things)
[23:30:20] <TheWoozle>	Ahh, ok.
[23:32:39] <zocky>	only a few accented characters, though
[23:33:48] <TheWoozle>	I only need a few; the site is in French.
[23:37:42] <Nikerabbit>	woowiiwuuwoowaa
[23:46:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) PHP warning on opening 'my preferences' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19669 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (wwh)