[00:03:23] <CIA-58>	03simetrical * r53151 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: 
[00:03:23] <CIA-58>	Remove redundant RELEASE-NOTES line
[00:03:23] <CIA-58>	It's already stated that the <a> element has been removed entirely, so
[00:03:23] <CIA-58>	there's no need to say that its name attribute has been removed.
[00:06:00] <Heoooo>	How is data stored in MediaWiki? In plain text or on a file system?
[00:06:32] <Heoooo>	I mean if you have MediaWiki site, how is data stored then?
[00:06:42] <Heoooo>	can you determine which option to useL
[00:06:45] <Heoooo>	?
[00:06:49] <atglenn>	mysql db
[00:07:06] <atglenn>	you can use other db backends
[00:08:42] <Heoooo>	did I understand right that mysql offers you a certain file system,  but you are free to use other file systems offered by other db backends?
[00:09:18] <Simetrical>	Heoooo, databases are not filesystems.
[00:09:41] <Heoooo>	yes, but they have file systems, do they?
[00:09:44] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki supports several relational databases.  It primarily supports MySQL, but also has good PostgreSQL and SQLite support, and some Oracle/MSSQL support.
[00:09:45] <Simetrical>	No.
[00:10:12] <Simetrical>	Databases are usually stored in the form of files in a filesystem, but not always.  That's an implementation detail.
[00:10:32] <Simetrical>	They expose an abstraction entirely distinct from what a filesystem exposes.
[00:13:13] <Heoooo>	I am very interested in this "implementation detail". How can you differentiate file systems from the data bases? If you have a look at the MediaWiki directory, how can you draw a line where a file system stops and and db starts. They are all text.
[00:13:30] <Heoooo>	*one question mark missing
[00:13:41] <Simetrical>	No, they aren't all text.
[00:13:50] <Simetrical>	If you look in the MediaWiki directory, you will not find the database.
[00:13:52] <Heoooo>	?
[00:14:17] <Simetrical>	On a normal MediaWiki installation with MySQL on Linux, the database files will be stored in /var/lib/mysql/wikidb or some such directory.
[00:14:43] <Simetrical>	They'll be binary files.  If you try looking at them in a file editor they'll be mostly gibberish, and if you try editing them directly you'll cause the database to break.
[00:15:10] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki does not write to the files using direct filesystem access.  Instead, it uses SQL.
[00:15:28] <Simetrical>	In most cases this will be sent to a background process that waits to receive SQL commands, such as mysqld.
[00:15:47] <Simetrical>	In the case of SQLite it's a library that will directly edit the database file.
[00:16:21] <Simetrical>	As I said, databases don't necessarily use files at all.  InnoDB can be given a raw filesystem partition, for instance (although mostly people don't do that).
[00:16:39] <Simetrical>	They can also store their databases entirely in-memory, as with the MySQL MEMORY table type.
[00:22:00] <Heoooo>	Simetrical: what is your definitions of a text and a file? If I understood correct, you mean by a file system a thing a user can access directly, without converting binaries. Then again, you mean by a db a thing where user needs certain tools. and they obey certain rules to access it. 
[00:22:22] <Heoooo>	, instead of .
[00:23:35] <Heoooo>	the sentence " databases don't necessarily use files at all" excludes binary files
[00:23:41] <Heoooo>	I suppose
[00:24:23] <Simetrical>	A filesystem is a way of structuring data that obeys certain conventional rules.  It's normally hierarchal, consisting of a tree of directories that may contain other directories and/or non-directory files.  Files that contain data usually contain some metadata plus a stream of arbitrary bytes.  Files can be of nearly any size.  Programs interact with the filesystem through a collection of conventional tools such as open, close, read, and w
[00:24:23] <Simetrical>	rite.
[00:26:00] <Heoooo>	a good point: "They can also store their databases entirely in-memory, as with the MySQL MEMORY table type.". So a db may actually work only with in-memory, not needing files.
[00:26:54] <Simetrical>	A relational database is a different way of structuring data.  Data is not organized hierarchally.  Instead, there are a number of tables.  Each table has a number of rows, each of which must contain some data for a set of columns specific to that table.  Columns have data types such as integer or string.  Each table is expected to represent a specific sort of information, and the tables are related to one another by means of foreign keys. 
[00:26:55] <Simetrical>	 Programs normally access relational databases through SQL, a complex, high-level, declarative language.
[00:27:07] <Simetrical>	In short, filesystems and relational databases are completely and totally different things.
[00:27:32] <Simetrical>	Conventionally, since filesystems are simpler, operating systems expose filesystems to programs as the lowest-level manner in which they can access permanent media.
[00:27:41] <Simetrical>	Therefore it's convenient for databases to reside in filesystems.
[00:27:52] <Simetrical>	But this isn't necessarily the case, it just often happens to be so.
[00:31:11] <Heoooo>	I somehow feel this talk could be clarified by the mention of "side effects". So if a db uses only inside-memory, it does not need to store data to some medium (other than inside memory). Is it then functional? No side-effects?
[00:31:36] <Simetrical>	Obviously, if it doesn't write the data to permanent storage, the data will be lost if the system is shut down.
[00:32:04] <Simetrical>	But some databases can also, as I said, write their data directly to disk partitions, with no filesystem involved.
[00:32:17] <Simetrical>	So filesystems really aren't relevant in principle.
[00:34:00] <Heoooo>	also in plain text? Is it a db if it stores things in plain text and it has only some conventional tools such as read, write and execute to access it?
[00:34:12] <Heoooo>	sorry
[00:34:26] <Heoooo>	I meant permissions to the tools you mentioned above
[00:34:28] <Simetrical>	I'm not aware of any relational databases that use plaintext storage.
[00:34:37] <Simetrical>	It's possible in principle.
[00:34:57] <Simetrical>	The distinguishing characteristics of a relational database relate to how its data is logically organized and how it's accessed, not how it's stored.
[00:35:01] <Simetrical>	That's an implementation detail.
[00:35:42] <Simetrical>	It could be stored via a bunch of sweat shop workers writing down everything in shorthand, in principle.  In the same way you can use TCP/IP over pigeons.
[00:35:51] <Heoooo>	interesting. Is it the logic that differentiate a fs from a db?
[00:36:13] <Simetrical>	It's the way the data is logically organized and how it's accessed.
[00:36:16] <Simetrical>	Mainly.
[00:36:28] <Simetrical>	I'm talking only about relational databases here, mind you.
[00:36:38] <Simetrical>	In a more general sense, filesystems are a type of database too, just not a relational database.
[00:37:40] <Heoooo>	Simetrical: can you clarify the meaning of "a type of database"?
[00:37:54] <Simetrical>	Why don't you go read the Wikipedia article and everything it links to?
[00:45:17] <Heoooo>	I feel we may have a consensus due to my initial sentence "[dbs] have file systems" and your sentence "filesystems are a type of database". The initial blunt "No." confused me.
[00:45:29] <Heoooo>	Thank you for your great answers.
[00:52:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) I am unable to login or use the search on certain pages, but search works fine on other pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19492  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:52:31] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Can not search on the left side bar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19670  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:58:52] <Bilge>	Why might it be taking a very long time to change page content or move pages
[00:59:02] <Bilge>	CPU usage is 0% and other web applications on the apache load immediately 
[00:59:19] <Bilge>	However, whilst it is taking a long time to update, any pages requested from the MediaWiki application will also stall until it finally clears
[01:00:03] <Bilge>	It can take up to 5 minutes before MediaWiki becomes responsive again
[01:00:16] <Bilge>	I first thought it might be database connectivity, but its located on the local host
[01:01:10] <Bilge>	Sometimes these actions (edit/move/delete) complete instantly, as they should, though
[01:01:47] <GreenReaper>	!r 53150
[01:01:47] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53150
[01:02:33] <^demon>	Hehe, the university's hospital patient system uses PHP3
[01:05:25] <Emufarmers>	^demon: Another victory for the American healthcare system
[01:05:36] <Emufarmers>	that'll show those commies who's in charge
[01:05:48] <^demon>	The PHP5 commies?
[01:06:29] <Emufarmers>	Well, I meant the rest of the industrialized world, with their public healthcare and their PHP5 and their what-have-you.
[01:06:54] <^demon>	Haha.
[01:08:05] <Emufarmers>	But the next time somebody claims that socializing our healthcare system in any way will make it bloated and inefficient, I'll be sure to reply with your anecdote. :)
[01:08:08] <Alphos>	lappy = laptop + happy ?
[01:09:46] *Emufarmers 	decides that now would not be the best time to bug bri-ohn for extension-writing help.
[01:12:32] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Probably not :) What's the question though?
[01:13:37] <Emufarmers>	Don't mind the copypasta: [09:39] <Emufarmers> Is there a way to override the messages set in another extension?  I'm writing a ConfirmEdit plugin and I want to change captchahelp-text
[01:13:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[01:17:37] <^demon>	Emufarmers: I'm not really sure :-\ Someone more familiar with the language code in general might know (Nikerabbit/Siebrand?)
[01:27:12] <FF|Skyrider>	Howdy
[01:31:16] <FF|Skyrider>	If I may ask
[01:31:21] <FF|Skyrider>	how exactly do I remove usergroups?
[01:31:46] <Emufarmers>	FF|Skyrider: a built-in usergroup, or one that you added?
[01:31:55] <FF|Skyrider>	built in
[01:32:16] <FF|Skyrider>	In this case: Bureaucrats
[01:34:09] <Emufarmers>	I don't know of any supported mechanism for doing that, sorry.
[01:34:31] <Emufarmers>	Eh, actually
[01:34:51] <Emufarmers>	I wonder if the group will disappear if you set all its rights to false?
[01:34:58] <Emufarmers>	Probably not, but you never know
[01:35:00] <^demon>	No, it wouldn't.
[01:35:16] <^demon>	As long as at least one $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat'][] exists.
[01:35:34] <FF|Skyrider>	I can't find that groupP code in the main localsettings file
[01:35:46] <Emufarmers>	It's in DefaultSettings.php, but you're not supposed to edit that.
[01:36:58] <Emufarmers>	I guess you could reset the permissions with $wgGroupPermissions = array() and then rebuild all of them except bureaucrat, but that seems :-\
[01:37:14] <^demon>	You could just unset the 'bureaucrat' array in $wgGroupPermissions.
[01:37:52] <FF|Skyrider>	What exactly does $wgRemoveGroups['grouphere'] = true; do if I may ask?
[01:38:16] <^demon>	It has to do with which groups users can remove from others on Special:UserRights.
[01:39:12] <FF|Skyrider>	ah, thanks.
[01:40:49] <FF|Skyrider>	* // Bureaucrats can only remove bots and sysops <--
[01:40:59] <FF|Skyrider>	the only bureau I can find it defaultsettings
[01:41:14] <Emufarmers>	FF|Skyrider: try adding unset( $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat'] ); in LocalSettings.php
[01:41:26] <Emufarmers>	(^demon will beat me if that's wrong :D)
[01:41:40] <FF|Skyrider>	As long it won't break stuff
[01:41:41] <FF|Skyrider>	sure :P
[01:43:07] <^demon>	Meh, it'll set $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat'] = null, so it's not strictly correct. Dunno how it'll react (probably in some fairly sane way)
[01:44:46] <FF|Skyrider>	So
[01:45:03] <FF|Skyrider>	How come there isn't a "proper" way to remove default groups? >_>
[01:45:54] <Emufarmers>	Most people don't really care (you can always rename them on-wiki)
[01:45:57] <Emufarmers>	Did it work, by the way?
[01:46:18] <^demon>	No real reason to remove them :)
[01:46:32] <FF|Skyrider>	For example, I personally don't like the name :p
[01:46:38] <FF|Skyrider>	If there aint a proper way to remove it
[01:46:41] <FF|Skyrider>	can I at least rename it?
[01:46:44] <^demon>	You can certainly rename it.
[01:46:49] <Emufarmers>	[21:46] <Emufarmers> Most people don't really care (you can always rename them on-wiki) >_>
[01:46:57] <^demon>	I can't remember which MW message it is though.
[01:47:19] <Emufarmers>	group-bureaucrat
[01:47:24] <Emufarmers>	group-bureaucrat-member
[01:47:37] <Emufarmers>	That is, the page MediaWiki:group-bureaucrat
[01:48:46] <FF|Skyrider>	what about it? :s
[01:49:12] <Emufarmers>	If you change those pages on the wiki, you'll change the name for bureaucrats
[01:49:16] <Emufarmers>	well, the name that gets shown on the wiki
[01:50:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) add an explicit action=view_source to view a page's markup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19681 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (info)
[01:51:06] <FF|Skyrider>	in xxxx/MediaWiki:Group-bureaucrat
[01:51:06] <FF|Skyrider>	?
[01:51:44] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:System_message it's one of those
[01:52:10] <Emufarmers>	so if xxxx means your domain, then yes :)
[01:53:32] <FF|Skyrider>	how exactly do I rename it though?
[01:53:36] <FF|Skyrider>	Not seeing any rename options
[01:53:43] <Emufarmers>	You just edit that page
[01:53:55] <FF|Skyrider>	* Message* Discussion* Create*
[01:53:59] <FF|Skyrider>	No edit :p
[01:54:00] <FF|Skyrider>	just create
[01:54:01] <Emufarmers>	Create
[01:54:09] <FF|Skyrider>	Ahh
[01:54:17] <Emufarmers>	And then replace "Bureaucrats" with whatever name you'd like
[01:54:29] <FF|Skyrider>	Thanks :)
[01:54:32] <Emufarmers>	And then do the same for group-bureaucrat-member (only singular)
[01:54:36] <FF|Skyrider>	I wonder what happens if I "delete" it
[01:54:48] <Emufarmers>	You mean blank it?
[01:55:06] <FF|Skyrider>	delete the whole page, which I assume it'll blank it :p
[01:55:25] <Emufarmers>	Nothing: you can't delete it because it doesn't exist yet
[01:55:48] <FF|Skyrider>	Does now
[01:55:51] <FF|Skyrider>	as I just created it
[01:56:04] <Emufarmers>	MediaWiki: pages don't actually exist as articles until you "create" them; their messages just get loaded from the database unless you customize them on-wiki
[01:56:11] <Emufarmers>	If you delete it now, it'll just go back to the default
[01:56:24] <FF|Skyrider>	ah, oke :)
[01:56:53] <^demon>	I'm not sure if those will disable when using a hyphen like some others or not.
[01:56:56] <^demon>	Might be worth trying.
[01:57:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wikimedia techblog favicon missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19682 trivial; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (public)
[01:57:30] <FF|Skyrider>	mmmm
[01:57:41] <FF|Skyrider>	Is there a way to set pages on private for specific groups only?
[01:58:50] <Emufarmers>	^demon: quick test indicates not
[01:59:40] <Emufarmers>	FF|Skyrider: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Restricting_access#Restrict_viewing_of_certain_specific_pages
[02:00:00] <Prodego>	FF|Skyrider: yes, it is possible, but highly discouraged as it isn't secure
[02:00:13] <FF|Skyrider>	>_>
[02:00:18] <FF|Skyrider>	Isn't that a bit, well, bad?
[02:00:26] <FF|Skyrider>	I mean, there are tons of people who rather have private pages O_o
[02:00:55] <p858snake>	hmm a tech blog complaint and it isn't from other main friend. >.>
[02:01:07] <Annemarie>	!cms | FF|Skyrider 
[02:01:07] --mwbot--	FF|Skyrider: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[02:01:34] <Annemarie>	p858snake: Hm?
[02:01:51] <Emufarmers>	There are also tons of people who like <insert fetish of your choice here>, but MediaWiki isn't designed to fulfil every debauched desire. :D
[02:01:53] <p858snake>	Annemarie: i've seen a few recently from jdanni
[02:02:18] <Annemarie>	^demon: There's an open bug about being able to properly disable MediaWiki messages. The whole blank == default thing is pretty retarded behavior.
[02:02:25] <Emufarmers>	p858snake: he seems plenty active on Bugzilla
[02:03:03] <p858snake>	i know he is Emufarmers
[02:04:53] <^demon>	Annemarie: There needs to be a standard way. I'm in favor of something like __DISABLEMSG__. It's pretty easy to check for in the message-getting code.
[02:05:16] <Annemarie>	^demon: The standard way would be to blank the message. There's no good reason for blank to be the default...
[02:05:49] <^demon>	I understand and like the delete-to-restore-default behavior :)
[02:06:01] <Annemarie>	Delete != blanking.
[02:06:17] <^demon>	p858snake: If you can get past how he chooses to phrase his bug reports, etc, he's actually fairly helpful.
[02:06:17] <Annemarie>	And simply because you understand doesn't mean it's intuitive for the thousands of other users. ;-)
[02:06:28] <^demon>	Other users are wrong :p
[02:07:05] <^demon>	Blanking would be nice, yes.
[02:07:06] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Wikimedia techblog favicon missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19682  +comment (10p858snake)
[02:07:14] <Annemarie>	"I want to disable this message. I tried blanking it." "No, no. That doesn't work." "Well, I'll try deleting it then." "No, that doesn't work either." 
[02:07:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Techblog: Favicon is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19614  +comment (10p858snake)
[02:07:31] <Annemarie>	Bah, duped?
[02:07:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Techblog: Favicon is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19614   +shell (10p858snake)
[02:07:54] <Annemarie>	Seems so. Searching is for noobs.
[02:07:58] <^demon>	p858snake: Might want to throw rob's e-mail on the cc.
[02:08:08] <p858snake>	no idea what it is
[02:08:36] <p858snake>	i could probably stick it in site requests instead actually...
[02:08:36] <Annemarie>	I got it.
[02:09:14] <^demon>	It's not a site request.
[02:16:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Config sync scripts fail to update machines with NFS-less /home configuration. Breaks mhr.wikipedia new addition - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19683 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion)
[02:19:57] <FF|Skyrider>	Thanks for the help, night all
[02:20:01] <GreenReaper>	Night.
[03:01:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mwdumper java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Invalid contributor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18328  +comment (10martin)
[03:07:12] <Hasbro>	Hi
[03:07:23] <Hasbro>	Has anyone in here done a custom wiki design?
[03:07:44] <Annemarie>	!skins
[03:07:44] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[03:08:35] <Hasbro>	Thanks for answering my question.
[03:08:36] <Hasbro>	Not.
[03:09:10] <Annemarie>	Oh snap.
[03:09:40] <Hasbro>	Was just curious if anyone in here has created their own skin
[03:09:44] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53152 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Splitting out ReaderFeedback stuff part IV: en message cleanup
[03:17:29] <Hasbro>	Hrm, how do I change the default theme?
[03:17:50] <Hasbro>	nevermind, lol
[03:37:51] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53153 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/StableVersions_body.php: fixed var typo
[03:47:04] <Hasbro>	hrmph
[03:47:43] <Hasbro>	How can I add meta keywords and such into my wiki?
[03:47:53] <Hasbro>	Is it in the template's files?
[03:48:31] <Hasbro>	lulz, got it
[03:48:32] <Hasbro>	my mistake
[03:49:31] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53154 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/StableVersions_body.php: Follow up to r53153: wasn't just a typo...also the wrong var...added the correct rev_timestamp again. This was broken from r49076.
[03:51:39] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53155 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (15 files in 3 dirs): Splitting out ReaderFeedback stuff part V: removed the code and en messages from FlaggedRevs.
[03:53:24] <Hasbro>	hrm, my method failed
[03:53:26] <Hasbro>	anyone know?
[03:53:51] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53156 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/README.txt: update docs
[03:56:46] <irregardless>	I think there's an extension to add them, but most search engines ignore them AFAIK
[03:57:15] <Hasbro>	o.o
[03:57:17] <Hasbro>	since when
[03:57:45] <irregardless>	2002?
[03:57:49] <irregardless>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_element#The_keywords_attribute
[03:58:04] <irregardless>	Yahoo might still use it
[03:58:25] <Hasbro>	hrm
[03:58:36] <Hasbro>	That's terrible :P
[03:58:56] <irregardless>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MetaKeywordsTag http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:YetAnotherKeywords http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MetaKeywords
[03:59:11] <irregardless>	there's still 3 extension to do it though 
[03:59:12] <AaronSchulz>	Hasbro: $wgOut->addMeta( $name, $val )
[03:59:40] <AaronSchulz>	for stuff like that, browse skin.php,skintemplate.php, and outpage.php for functions
[03:59:57] <Hasbro>	Thank you
[04:05:26] <chuck>	how does the list of memcache servers work for deciding which server to store a piece of data on?
[04:09:42] <GreenReaper>	Have a look at the code? My understanding is that the algorithm for distributing cache items is (item number) mod (number of servers), so you should swap them in and out rather than adding or subtracting to the list because otherwise you'll break the caching.
[04:11:39] <AaronSchulz>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Memcached
[04:11:45] <AaronSchulz>	you read that already right?
[05:35:57] <hippietrail>	there's no way using the API or special pages to list all javascript or css pages in a wiki is there?
[05:38:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Save Draft Button is enabled before doing any changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19684 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[05:38:10] <Annemarie>	A direct DB query can do it.
[05:38:27] <Annemarie>	page_title LIKE "%.js" or whatever.
[05:38:37] <hippietrail>	Annemarie: yes i'm about to do it that way on the toolserver
[05:38:52] <Splarka>	are you assuming ns 2 and 8 only?
[05:39:15] <hippietrail>	i want to be able to grep them for things such as global symbol renaming
[05:39:26] <Splarka>	they're the only namespaces with autoprotect feature, so are usually the ones, though /any/ page in any namespace with any legal name can be loaded
[05:39:38] <AaronSchulz>	like wikipedia: pages
[05:39:40] <hippietrail>	yes Wiktionary: and User:
[05:39:41] <AaronSchulz>	for WP:tools
[05:39:43] <Splarka>	importScript('Main Page')
[05:39:57] <AaronSchulz>	hippietrail: global symbol renaming?
[05:40:09] <hippietrail>	true but i will consider any such pages "unsupported"
[05:40:19] <Splarka>	I think en.wp has some in ns 4
[05:40:36] <hippietrail>	AaronSchulz: for instance on enwikt we have things such as getCookie and setCookie
[05:40:39] <Annemarie>	Just do a full page scan.
[05:40:48] <Annemarie>	page table scan. *
[05:40:58] <GreenReaper>	Hey, it works for us!
[05:41:04] <Annemarie>	if they're not ending in .js or .css, they're fucked anyway.
[05:41:04] <hippietrail>	if we feel it's appropriate to rename such a symbol we need to be able to see whch scripts would be affected
[05:41:23] <Splarka>	heh
[05:41:56] <hippietrail>	or just seeing how other users have done js or css stuff. or seeing which css features people are actually using and which can be deprecated
[05:42:11] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?pattern=%5C.js%24&lang=en&wiki=wiktionary&ns=2
[05:42:20] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?pattern=%5C.js%24&lang=en&wiki=wiktionary&ns=8
[05:42:35] <Annemarie>	All the other wikis are adorably small.
[05:42:43] <hippietrail>	would js or css ever live in MediaWiki: ?
[05:42:56] <Splarka>	yes, as gadgets mainly, and common/skinname
[05:43:05] <Splarka>	and subpages thereof
[05:43:06] <Splarka>	loads
[05:43:11] <Splarka>	see second URL above
[05:44:08] <hippietrail>	oh so there's stuff in MediaWiki: but not Wiktionary:
[05:44:53] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?pattern=%5C.js%24&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&ns=8   loads on en.wp
[05:45:19] <Splarka>	and they even use ns4 there: http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?pattern=%5C.js%24&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&ns=4
[05:45:30] <Splarka>	note this is to reduce message cache pollution so is probably a good idea
[05:45:37] <Splarka>	but best is to use user, IMHO
[05:46:00] *charitwo 	looks at Annemarie suspiciously
[05:46:29] <hippietrail>	it would be nice if google code search could search these (-:
[05:46:45] *Annemarie 	eat charitwo.
[05:46:48] <Annemarie>	Eats, even.
[05:46:57] <Splarka>	http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aen.wiktionary.org+intitle%3Auser+intitle%3Ajs
[05:47:23] <hippietrail>	awesom!
[05:47:25] <charitwo>	Annemarie: i don't wish to partake in your scams! http://p.defau.lt/?_A5CAKuMAwketKlKp1ItoQ
[05:47:45] <Annemarie>	That's my whore sister.
[05:48:32] <hippietrail>	oh but that's not code search
[05:50:51] <hippietrail>	hmm so google is using wiktionary data! http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en&sa=N&cd=3&ct=rc#pov84wZZt8Y/trunk/src/scripts/wikiwords.js&q=wiktionary%20lang:javascript
[05:52:01] <GreenReaper>	Nice way of finding sounds.
[05:52:20] <hippietrail>	hmm he could generate Code Search Sitemaps: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=75225
[05:52:32] <Splarka>	wth
[05:52:38] <Splarka>	disable JS and go to the URL
[05:52:45] <Splarka>	(the previous one)
[05:52:52] *Splarka 	thought google was about accessability
[05:53:02] <GreenReaper>	Denied!
[05:53:59] <hippietrail>	bug report!
[05:55:42] <hippietrail>	do we already have sitemaps? how can i see one?
[05:56:18] <Alphos>	Index
[05:56:30] <Alphos>	|+ absolutely all pages
[05:56:34] <Alphos>	API
[05:56:46] <Alphos>	|+ same things than on index
[05:56:53] <Alphos>	\o/
[05:58:48] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Pagetitle -> YOU ARE HERE
[05:59:44] <Alphos>	:D
[06:01:21] <hippietrail>	this says mediawiki has sitemap support in core. but is it enabled on wikimedia wikis? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Sitemap
[06:09:02] <QuestPC>	Hi! I use command-line PHP script to extract text from wikipages. I strip xml tags, process the content of Article with Parser using appropriate options, then strip html tags to get "clean" text. The problem is, some pages also return embedded javascript after parse. I've tried ParserOptions::setTidy(true) but no luck. Is there any simple way to suppress embedded JS generation?
[06:10:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User isn't directed to draft when draft link is clicked from Preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19685 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[06:10:37] <QuestPC>	the JS has call to showTocToggle();
[06:10:48] <Annemarie>	QuestPC: What's your entry point?
[06:10:51] <Annemarie>	API?
[06:11:00] <QuestPC>	no, maintenance script
[06:11:27] <QuestPC>	I am writing google video sitemap generator based on existing generateSitemap.php
[06:12:08] <irregardless>	why not just remove the <script> tags along with the other html tags?
[06:12:48] <QuestPC>	irregardless: they probable should be already removed. I'll check the debug.
[06:12:51] <Splarka>	 if (window.showTocToggle) { var tocShowText = "show"; var tocHideText = "hide"; showTocToggle(); } 
[06:12:55] <Splarka>	that one?
[06:13:00] <QuestPC>	yes,that one
[06:13:01] <Splarka>	that's just the table of contents
[06:13:13] <Splarka>	you could insert __NOTOC__ into each page before parse maybe
[06:13:24] <QuestPC>	Splarka: I hope it won't get into description field.
[06:13:41] <Splarka>	(unless you want the table of contents)
[06:13:55] <QuestPC>	Splarka: ok I'll try '__NOTOC__' . $linked_article->getContent()
[06:13:57] <Splarka>	description field?
[06:14:13] <QuestPC>	Splarka: yes description field in video sitemap.
[06:15:00] <Splarka>	it shouldn't affect anything in the output other than the generation of the TOC
[06:16:41] <QuestPC>	Splarka: a good idea to suppress it
[06:17:56] <QuestPC>	Splarka: it works, thank you.
[06:18:06] <QuestPC>	"__NOTOC__\n"
[06:18:41] <Alphos>	how does a page with both __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ render the ToC ?
[06:18:44] <Nikerabbit>	hilarious the Heoooo guy
[06:19:26] <QuestPC>	Alphos: I guess that the last one cancels the first?
[06:19:43] *Alphos 	formats Nikerabbit in MyInnoDB (hey, it's a DB type, means it also has to be a filesystem ! )
[06:19:45] *Alphos 	runs
[06:22:40] <Alphos>	QuestPC then you'd better use '__NOTOC__' . preg_replace( '#(__(?:FORCE|NO|)TOC__)#', '', $linked_article->getContent() )
[06:24:37] <Alphos>	(first remove every __FORCETOC__ and every __NOTOC__ and every __TOC__ magic word from the results, then add __NOTOC__, then parse them
[06:27:45] <Splarka>	or append it
[06:28:03] <Nikerabbit>	Alphos: and then all the localised variants
[06:28:23] <Alphos>	yah :/
[06:28:50] <Alphos>	on the other hand, i think it's something for his personal use
[06:28:54] <Splarka>	ahh well
[06:28:57] <Alphos>	so localised variants should be limited :/
[06:30:59] <Annemarie>	I don't understand for a moment why things like #REDIRECT were ever localised.
[06:31:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Drafts are not saved when multiple drafts are saved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19686 critical; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[06:35:08] <QuestPC>	Alphos: a good tip
[06:35:46] <Alphos>	y're welcome
[06:36:38] <QuestPC>	Alphos: it's for personal use because it uses non-standard extension to embed flv video. if there's a standard way to embed flv and other video onto the pages, it probably can be made a generalized video sitemap generator.
[06:37:46] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53157 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php: bump version
[06:37:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Existing draft list shall be refreshed when a draft is created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19687 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[06:37:58] <QuestPC>	Alphos: but it would be so nice if there was parser option to disable toc generation.
[06:42:41] <Nikerabbit>	Annemarie: why not?
[06:51:20] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: cool, your doctype page crashed my firefox
[06:59:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Save Draft button is not disabled when undo the changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19688 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[07:05:13] <Annemarie>	Nikerabbit: Because it makes things like parsing text a million times harder. And the concept of translating code elements just seems absurd.
[07:05:26] <Annemarie>	You would never suggest translating <b> or <html> would you?
[07:06:14] <flyingparchment>	i think Tim was working on that at one point - why not?
[07:06:48] <Annemarie>	What purpose is served? It's a programming language, not a linguistics language.
[07:07:16] <flyingparchment>	no it's not, it's the primary interface used by users, many of whom don't speak english, to edit wikipedia articles
[07:07:40] <flyingparchment>	why force them to use english in articles when everything else is translated?
[07:07:51] <Annemarie>	Because it's code. 
[07:07:57] <Annemarie>	It's not article text.
[07:07:58] <flyingparchment>	so?  that's not an argument
[07:08:05] <flyingparchment>	why not translate the code in the article text?
[07:08:35] <Annemarie>	Well, it makes things like parsing a lot more difficult.
[07:08:44] <flyingparchment>	don't see why
[07:08:46] <Annemarie>	But beyond that, it seems fundamentally wrong to treat it as a language.
[07:09:25] <Annemarie>	You use <b> because it comes from bold, but it's a code element, it's not a piece of language that needs to be translated to whatever first letter Spanish would use.
[07:09:34] <flyingparchment>	why not?
[07:09:55] <flyingparchment>	wouldn't you find it harder to edit articles if you had to use <x> and <o> and <xpd> and <rejkl> tags?
[07:10:03] <flyingparchment>	(or even tags in a completely different alphabet)
[07:10:18] <Annemarie>	Harder? Maybe. But it would at least be consistent between languages.
[07:10:27] <Annemarie>	Think of HTML as a universal language.
[07:10:28] <flyingparchment>	why does it need to be consistent?
[07:10:32] <flyingparchment>	this isn't HTML, it's wikitext
[07:10:37] <flyingparchment>	it just looks a bit like html
[07:10:52] <Annemarie>	Well, ''''foo'''' isn't language-dependent.
[07:11:15] <flyingparchment>	not everything can be expressed in punctuation
[07:11:18] <Nikerabbit>	Annemarie: it's not code, it's markup
[07:11:42] <irregardless>	<粗体>
[07:11:44] <Annemarie>	Would you go further and suggest translating things like ParserFunctions?
[07:11:47] <flyingparchment>	maybe i wasn't clear: <b> in article text is not HTML, it just looks like it.
[07:11:51] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: sure, why not?
[07:11:55] <Nikerabbit>	Annemarie: those already are
[07:11:57] <irregardless>	Annemarie: I think we do
[07:12:10] <Annemarie>	Things like #ifexpr:?
[07:12:16] <Annemarie>	That just seems like madness.
[07:12:22] <flyingparchment>	why?  
[07:12:29] <irregardless>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.i18n.magic.php?view=markup
[07:12:46] <Annemarie>	It creates far more confusion and far more possibilities when doing things like parsing.
[07:12:52] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: your native language is English, right?  imagine all the tags in en.wikipedia articles were in Japanese.  see the point now?
[07:13:02] <Annemarie>	Instead of one possibility (say, #REDIRECT) you now have dozens of possibilities.
[07:13:29] <Nikerabbit>	Annemarie: that only means you have to do the parser-right... all the data is there and easy to extract
[07:13:34] <Splarka>	<kly stil="bakgrund-f�rg:r�d;storlek:1,50%;texten-anpassas:v�nster;">Bork!</kly>
[07:13:48] <Annemarie>	Do Japanese keyboards have apostrophes on them?
[07:14:02] <Nikerabbit>	I hope they do
[07:14:12] <Nikerabbit>	but they are constantly switching between layouts anyway
[07:14:41] <Annemarie>	I view HTML and wikimarkup as universal languages. They may be derived from English, but they're independent and shouldn't be translated.
[07:14:47] <Alphos>	Splarka >_>
[07:15:03] <Annemarie>	If the Japanese had invented wikimarkup, English speakers would adjust to that.
[07:15:13] <Nikerabbit>	yeah right
[07:15:19] <Nikerabbit>	they would not
[07:15:20] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: so you'd be fine if all the markup tags were written in katakana or Cyrillic?  no problems typing that?  or remembering what they mean?
[07:15:24] <Annemarie>	Well, they wouldn't. But they should. ;-)
[07:15:48] <Alphos>	if the japanese had invented wikimarkup, they would've invented/translated it in english
[07:15:56] <Nikerabbit>	now you are being selfish
[07:16:06] <Alphos>	and english speakers would adjust to japanese english
[07:16:22] <Splarka>	<span style="text-transform:uppercase;">learn english!</span>
[07:16:23] <flyingparchment>	<automatic flushing div>
[07:16:34] <Annemarie>	The markup tags wouldn't necessarily be in Cyrillic, but they might be derived from that.
[07:16:42] <Annemarie>	And if that's what's used, that's what's used.
[07:16:59] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: yes they would - to a Russian, the Latin alphabet is like Cyrillic is to you
[07:17:19] <flyingparchment>	(except russians tend to speak english more than Americans speak other languages)
[07:17:25] <Alphos>	to me, the russian cyrillic alphabet is just like the french latin alphabet
[07:17:29] <Alphos>	sorry :p
[07:18:14] <Alphos>	(at least for reading, not for typing...)
[07:18:14] <Annemarie>	There's beauty to a universal language, even if it isn't derived from your native language.
[07:18:31] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: no, there isn't.  you just think that because it happens to be your native language.
[07:18:39] <Splarka>	next you'll wanna put column one across the top and give pages horizontal scrolling, for ttb languages
[07:18:44] <Nikerabbit>	Annemarie: nobody would edit english wikipedia if the markup was in any other script than latin
[07:19:01] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: in reality, having all this stuff in english sucks for everyone who doesn't speak english.
[07:19:32] <Nikerabbit>	which brings me, does api output magic words?
[07:19:36] <flyingparchment>	it's less noticable in, say, HTML or C++, because among people who do that, there's a much higher percentage of english speakers
[07:19:45] <flyingparchment>	but wikipedia is meant to be editable by normal people
[07:20:06] <Alphos>	do you mean english speakers aren't normal people ? :D
[07:20:08] <irregardless>	Nikerabbit: I think so
[07:20:10] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=magicwords
[07:20:39] <Annemarie>	And most of the markup is apostrophes and underscores. But the ones that aren't, like #REDIRECT, I don't see a problem keeping them consistent across the languages.
[07:20:40] <flyingparchment>	Alphos: no, there's a higher percentage of english speakers among people who do technical stuff (like HTML or C++) and the average person
[07:20:40] <Nikerabbit>	yeah, problem solved
[07:20:55] <Alphos>	 ^^
[07:20:56] <Annemarie>	Maybe that's just my English bias.
[07:20:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User shall be able to distinguish a draft from available list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19690 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[07:21:00] <Nikerabbit>	Annemarie: I don't see any problem not keeping them consistent
[07:21:06] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: but you have no actual argument for this other than "everyone should understand english tags"
[07:21:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Drafts are discarded without any user confirmation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19689 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[07:21:19] <Annemarie>	My argument is that you should treat it like you would C++ or HTML.
[07:21:19] <Nikerabbit>	why is wikipedia so ugly slow again?
[07:21:23] <Annemarie>	As code.
[07:21:28] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: again: would you seriously think it was okay for all the markup on the english wikipedia to be japanese?  you don't think there would be any problems with that?
[07:21:36] <Annemarie>	#REDIRECT[[foo]] is a word.
[07:21:39] <Annemarie>	Isn't.
[07:22:05] <Annemarie>	Of course there would be.
[07:22:24] <flyingparchment>	okay, so now turn it around: don't you think that for people who speak $not_english, having all the markup in english is a problem?
[07:22:51] <Annemarie>	Doesn't everyone just click the buttons above the edit form? :-)
[07:22:55] <Annemarie>	But if it started in Japanese, the tools and edit buttons would adjust.
[07:23:03] <flyingparchment>	huh?
[07:23:20] <Nikerabbit>	any api people here?
[07:23:28] <Nikerabbit>	what is the point of having foo=""?
[07:23:29] <flyingparchment>	okay, so you could insert the markup (do people actually use those buttons?), you just couldn't understand what you'd inserted
[07:23:33] <flyingparchment>	doesn't seem much better
[07:23:46] <Nikerabbit>	why not foo="yes"
[07:24:01] <Annemarie>	You'd understand that the code "#REDIRECT[[]]" makes a redirect. Just like the code <b> makes things bold.
[07:24:06] <flyingparchment>	not to mention editing existing text
[07:24:10] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: why would you understand that?
[07:24:27] <Annemarie>	Because you'd see it working live?
[07:24:34] <Annemarie>	How do English speakers understand it?
[07:24:41] <flyingparchment>	because they know what "redirect" means
[07:25:02] <irregardless>	Annemarie: how long would it take you to get used to #تحويل making a redirect?
[07:25:44] <Annemarie>	If that were the only way, I can bet I'd adapt. With editing buttons or whatever. People adapt.
[07:25:55] <flyingparchment>	sorry - you're being an idiot
[07:26:00] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[07:26:03] <Nikerabbit>	this is pointless anyway
[07:26:03] <Annemarie>	Heeh.
[07:26:13] <Annemarie>	Well, obviously others disagree and have implemented it.
[07:26:54] <flyingparchment>	(but it's a very American view to suggest that it should be easy for Americans, and everyone else has to adapt...)
[07:27:12] <Annemarie>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words/ja doesn't seem to use translated variables. 
[07:27:33] <Annemarie>	Hmm, none of them seem to...
[07:27:50] <Splarka>	so when does one stop?
[07:28:17] <Splarka>	at some point there will be ambiguous conflicts
[07:28:42] <Annemarie>	Are variables like __NOTOC__ translated, Nikerabbit?
[07:28:59] <Splarka>	all interwiki prefixes are in latin, and appear in edit windows, what if they were localized?
[07:29:19] <Splarka>	3(NEW) Whitelisted HTML element names and attributes, as well as all whitelisted CSS, should be localisable (aliased) in Mediawiki markup 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19690 4Critical; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (wikibugs)
[07:29:30] <Annemarie>	Missing bold.
[07:29:34] <irregardless>	Annemarie: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=magicwords
[07:30:24] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: there is already conflicts between iw links and namespaces
[07:30:40] <Annemarie>	Hmm.
[07:31:02] <Nikerabbit>	Annemarie: they are magic words too
[07:31:23] <Annemarie>	Interesting. So I wonder why MW.org doesn't have them translated...
[07:31:33] <Splarka>	so, if you both agree there is a line over which localization becomes insane, you just have to agree to disagree on where that line is? heh
[07:31:52] *Nikerabbit 	hits Annemarie for linking to WMF when WMF is dead-slow
[07:32:52] <p858snake>	secure is apprently working better than the rest so try that
[07:33:20] <Splarka>	until more than 3 people try to use it
[07:41:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Time stamp of the draft do not match with host machine's time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19691 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[07:49:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Time stamp of the draft do not match with host machine's time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19691  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:05:55] <Xteven>	hi
[08:06:04] <Xteven>	does mediawiki allow subcategories to be created ?
[08:06:31] <Annemarie>	Yes.
[08:06:40] <Annemarie>	Put [[Category:Foo]] in a Category page.
[08:06:52] <Xteven>	ok
[08:06:57] <Xteven>	thx :)
[08:07:12] <Xteven>	but I was wondering more like this: suppose I have a category banana, and one called apple
[08:07:18] <Xteven>	both are fruit
[08:07:25] <Xteven>	when I go to :Category:Fruit
[08:07:39] <Annemarie>	Edit Category:Fruit. Add [[Category:Banana]]\n[[Category:Apple]]
[08:07:41] <Xteven>	would it be possible to see all pages that are also in category apple and banana ?
[08:07:50] <Splarka>	ehm
[08:07:51] <Annemarie>	Ah, you mean category intersection?
[08:07:58] <Splarka>	Annemarie: wrong way round
[08:08:01] <Xteven>	more like aggregation
[08:08:06] <Annemarie>	I hate categories.
[08:08:12] <Splarka>	they love you
[08:08:17] <Annemarie>	They don't.
[08:08:28] <Splarka>	they do, behind Safeway, with a hooded mask
[08:08:42] <Annemarie>	Hooded mask?
[08:08:54] <Splarka>	dord
[08:09:42] <Annemarie>	That's what she said.
[08:09:51] <Splarka>	http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:GDOBR0bqE-TNeM:http://www.prettygreatfun.com/ebay/images/SkullPurple.jpg
[08:09:56] <Splarka>	er http://www.prettygreatfun.com/ebay/images/SkullPurple.jpg
[08:10:02] <Splarka>	see? love
[08:10:29] <Annemarie>	http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/She
[08:11:03] <Annemarie>	Nobody's ever done it? Is Wikiquote that lame?
[08:12:53] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: around?
[08:13:00] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: yes
[08:35:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Time stamp of the draft do not match with host machine's time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19691  (10janesh)
[08:35:36] <Bilge>	Why do I not always get the option to suppress redirect when moving a page?
[08:36:02] <Nikerabbit>	on the same or different wikies?
[08:45:49] <Bilge>	On a single given wiki
[08:52:22] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[08:52:26] <Nikerabbit>	svn down too?
[09:14:05] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r53158 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-ext.txt): Changed Uniwiki extensions names to have "Uniwiki" rather than "UW"
[09:16:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Save Draft button is enabled as Saving is in progress - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19692 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[09:22:13] <Nikerabbit>	I wonder why php is so sad code
[09:22:18] <Nikerabbit>	many lines end in );
[09:29:18] <Alphos>	Nikerabbit :D
[09:32:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User name Special:BlockIP is not HTML escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19693 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (Amalthea.wikimedia)
[09:35:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Save Draft Button is enabled after Error and Successful save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19694 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[09:35:52] <Splarka>	brrr, is there a draft in here or is it just me
[09:36:50] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: you know the drift
[09:37:37] <MrSCQ>	hi! I need some help with a i18n problem in a mediawiki instalation... anybody have any ideas about how to deal this issues?? (basically, I did the installation in one lang, then I change it to a different lang, and most tags remains in the lang I installed the mediawiki) now, the fun part is that as far as I modify the localsettings.php, many tags remains in english, and i want another lang! :P
[09:38:19] <Splarka>	hah, 19693 is awesome
[09:38:21] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Block?wpBlockAddress=%3Cscript%3Edocument.location%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fgoogle.com%22%3C%2Fscript%3E
[09:39:00] <OverlordQ>	lol
[09:39:35] <Splarka>	if the servers wern't yo-yoing that might be worth a live hack and even some backports
[09:40:23] *ialex 	fixes
[09:40:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User name Special:BlockIP is not HTML escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19693  minor->04CRIT; normal->highest; +comment (10river)
[09:41:01] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: doesn't work for me :o
[09:41:03] <Splarka>	not blocker?
[09:41:13] <flyingparchment>	what's it blocking?
[09:41:20] <Splarka>	blocking blocking!
[09:41:25] <Splarka>	heh
[09:41:39] <OverlordQ>	yea, all it does for me is put >script blah blah into the address field
[09:41:45] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: dunno, are you sysop there? js enabled? any console errors?
[09:41:49] <Nikerabbit>	NoScript sanitised suspicious request
[09:41:53] <Splarka>	ahh
[09:41:57] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: it does a lot more than that
[09:42:16] <Nikerabbit>	on my local wiki, I'm not sysop at mw.org I gues
[09:42:17] <OverlordQ>	Ah oops, yea, NoScript :)
[09:42:20] <Splarka>	notice the convenience list
[09:42:31] <Splarka>	<p class="mw-ipb-conveniencelinks"><a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/%3Cscript%3Edocument.location%3D%22http://google.com%22%3C/script%3E" title="Special:Contributions/&lt;script&gt;document.location=&quot;http://google.com&quot;&lt;/script&gt;">Contributions for <script>document.location="http://google.com"</script></a>
[09:42:50] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r53159 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialBlockip.php: (bug 19693) escape user link in contribution link
[09:42:59] <ialex>	*user name
[09:43:02] <ialex>	hmm
[09:43:09] <Splarka>	flyingparchment: feel like scapping it? >_<
[09:43:17] <flyingparchment>	no, ask tim
[09:43:24] *Splarka 	thinks tim is busy
[09:43:39] <Nikerabbit>	this was bound to happen
[09:43:49] <Splarka>	it does, constantly
[09:43:55] <MrSCQ>	anybody could give me a clue, please? :D
[09:43:55] <Nikerabbit>	who wants to audit all uses of wfMsgHtml ?
[09:44:00] <Splarka>	check the /branches for XSS
[09:44:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) User name Special:BlockIP is not HTML escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19693  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[09:44:31] <Nikerabbit>	MrSCQ: what is a "tag"
[09:44:31] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: generally people who are busy still have time to fix critical security issues
[09:45:21] <Splarka>	well, it isn't quite that critical I think... you can't make a username with <>
[09:45:23] <MrSCQ>	Nikerabbit: I mean the whole linguistic menus, translations and every linguistic tag
[09:45:36] <ialex>	TimStarling: want to sync r53159 ? (see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19693)
[09:45:37] <Splarka>	have to be a sysop clicking a malformed link
[09:45:38] <Nikerabbit>	what is linguistic menu and linguistics tag?
[09:45:41] <OverlordQ>	Splarka: People could still create a malicious link to do it
[09:45:43] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: you can execute arbitrary JS by tricking a sysop into visiting a tinyurl
[09:45:47] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: even worse
[09:46:11] *Splarka 	goes to trick Jimbo into +stewarding him
[09:46:18] <Nikerabbit>	MrSCQ: usually I just tell to clear all caches
[09:46:54] <MrSCQ>	Nikerabbit: my trouble is that I installed the mediawiki in a language, but then changing it to a different language in localsettings, it keeps many parts of the soft the language ive made de installation
[09:47:33] <MrSCQ>	Nikerabbit: so in theory, the best thing to solve this issue, is to clear the caches?
[09:47:46] <MrSCQ>	(i guess i have a dumb question... oops! ;-)
[09:47:46] <TimStarling>	ialex: is that actually security sensitive? usernames are pretty restricted
[09:48:09] <ialex>	TimStarling: passed raw to the output
[09:48:21] <ialex>	TimStarling: no username check for it
[09:48:30] <ialex>	TimStarling: see Splarka link above
[09:48:37] <TimStarling>	right
[09:48:37] <Splarka>	hmm, 1.14 was branched after r41852, but was this possible in wfMsgHtml() then?
[09:48:49] <Splarka>	if so, probably should backport to 1.14 and 1.15
[09:49:29] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: has always been
[09:49:40] <Splarka>	ouch <3
[09:49:49] <Splarka>	audit time! I nominate Nikerabbit
[09:50:11] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: if you pay me better than my current job
[09:50:48] <TimStarling>	why do you replace one wfMsg variant that nobody understands with another equally dense one?
[09:51:03] <TimStarling>	htmlspecialchars(wfMsg()) would have worked just fine
[09:52:01] <Splarka>	<a href="/wiki/Special:Contributions/%3Cscript%3Edocument.location%3D%22http://google.com%22%3C/script%3E" title="Special:Contributions/&lt;script&gt;document.location=&quot;http://google.com&quot;&lt;/script&gt;">Contributions for &lt;script&gt;document.location="http://google.com"&lt;/script&gt;</a> 
[09:52:11] <Splarka>	yay (or boo)
[09:52:16] <ialex>	hehe :)
[09:53:03] <Bryan>	I saw some SQL errors early tomorrow in ApiPageSet::initFromTitles
[09:53:09] <Bryan>	can't reproduce it now though
[09:53:14] <Bryan>	did anybody else see them?
[09:53:17] <TimStarling>	r41852 didn't introduce it
[09:54:09] <Bryan>	DatabaseBase->reportQueryError('You have an err...', 1064, 'SELECT  page_na...', 'ApiPageSet::ini...', false)
[09:55:45] <ialex>	TimStarling: wfMsgExt() with escape is the same as htmlspecialchar( wfMsg() )
[09:56:14] <TimStarling>	I know, except that the second one can be understood by mere mortals
[09:56:22] <TimStarling>	whereas the first one is non-obvious
[09:57:56] <TimStarling>	it was introduced in r41831
[09:58:46] <Nikerabbit>	$result = wfMsgHtml( 'editsection-brackets', $result ); $result comes from a hook call
[09:59:17] <CIA-58>	03ialex * r53160 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: RELEASE-NOTES entry for r53159
[09:59:25] <p858snake>	any progress on the file renaming feature?
[09:59:52] <Nikerabbit>	$rv = wfMsgHtml( $wgLogActions[$key], $params ) . $details;
[09:59:55] <Nikerabbit>	that looks scary too
[10:01:32] <Nikerabbit>	return wfMsgForContent( 'patrol-log-line', wfMsgHtml('patrol-log-diff',$cur), "[[$text]]", '' );
[10:01:35] <Splarka>	TimStarling: oops, helps to read the diffs I guess, heh
[10:03:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User shall be able to sort Drfats by page , saved time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19695 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[10:05:09] <Nikerabbit>	return wfMsgHtml( 'xml-error-string',
[10:05:13] <Nikerabbit>	I wonnder if that is safe
[10:08:05] <gluck>	hello
[10:08:40] <gluck>	could someone say me wich script could help me to delete old deleted revisions of pages?
[10:09:33] <Duesentrieb>	isn't there a script called deleteOldRevisions in the maintenance dir?
[10:11:28] <gluck>	Duesentrieb: yes but it will delete all old revisions and i just want to delete old deleted revisions
[10:12:12] <Splarka>	DeleteArchivedRevisions maybe?
[10:12:25] <Splarka>	though that would probably also delete non-old deleted revisions
[10:12:54] <Nikerabbit>	shit shit shit
[10:12:57] <Duesentrieb>	hm... no idea
[10:12:58] <Nikerabbit>	I think I found another one
[10:13:01] <Duesentrieb>	revision deletion is pretty new
[10:13:09] <Duesentrieb>	and there are at least two types of "deleted revisions".
[10:13:11] <Duesentrieb>	so... dunno.-
[10:13:14] <Splarka>	three
[10:13:26] <Splarka>	if you count the meaning of 'delete' in maintenance
[10:13:34] <Splarka>	which actually is "to delete"
[10:14:45] <gluck>	thank you Splarka, i'll get a eye on this solution
[10:15:52] <Splarka>	gluck: IIRC in maintenance, "archived" there means "delete" on-wiki (but not suppressed or "deleted revision" deleted)
[10:24:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User name Special:BlockIP is not HTML escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19693  (10Amalthea.wikimedia)
[10:26:10] <Splarka>	heh
[10:26:38] <Splarka>	should I (or someone) mention the vector there?
[10:29:54] <Splarka>	flyingparchment? the fix is live, but 1.14 and 1.15 wikis are still vulnerable, but it was already mentioned here and easy to guess
[10:34:46] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r53161 10/trunk/phase3/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Some escaping fixes and related readability changes
[10:35:39] <Nikerabbit>	I noticed yes
[10:36:57] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r53162 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialListUserRestrictions.php: Didn't mean to commit this, but the lovely svn automatically added it for me
[10:40:42] <CIA-58>	03btongminh * r53163 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[10:40:42] <CIA-58>	* Added ancientpages, deadendpages and disambiguations to ApiQueryQuerypage
[10:40:42] <CIA-58>	* Added information about disabledness and cache to result
[10:41:04] <MrSCQ>	hi! anybody knows how to truncate object_cache? my trouble is that i have the mediawiki in a diferent language than the one id like to have, and I was told by nikerabbit that this is the way to solve it; i read somewhere that this might be done by running "rebuildMessages.php"... but frankly, as far as i try to document it first (most of my problems where solve by just googling) but this time... im very lost!!!
[10:43:42] <Duesentrieb>	MrSCQ: you can just run truncate object_cache in mysql.
[10:43:51] <Duesentrieb>	touching LocalSettings.php should also expire all caches.
[10:48:28] <MrSCQ>	i did modify the lang in the localsettings
[10:48:38] <MrSCQ>	 that was the very first thing i did
[10:48:48] <MrSCQ>	but many parts of the mediawiki
[10:48:59] <MrSCQ>	remains in the instalation lang
[10:49:14] <JackieJac>	How does the round operator work in expressions? It always says "unexpected"
[10:50:12] <JackieJac>	Nevermind... I think I get it... too used to java :s
[10:50:13] <Splarka>	{{#expr: 1.23 round 0}} {{#expr: 1.23 round 1}} -> 1 1.2
[10:51:14] <JackieJac>	Yeah. I was trying to do it round(423.423)
[10:51:22] <JackieJac>	So it failed
[10:51:36] <JackieJac>	#expr doesn't work in an #if?
[10:52:25] <MrSCQ>	i guess i should use "rebuildMessages.php", but i never use that script... anybody knows where is a howto or could give me some clues? :D
[10:52:52] <JackieJac>	Hmmm. forgot the colon.
[10:53:19] <JackieJac>	Honestly, I used to think Wikis were just boring and not impressive, but now with parser functions you can do some cool stuff :)
[10:55:33] <Splarka>	heh
[10:55:41] <Splarka>	#ifexpr is handy btw
[10:56:07] <werdna>	JackieJac: parser functions suck
[10:56:08] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r53164 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/scripts/dump-tm.php: Uncommitted fix, don't export notranslations
[10:56:38] <werdna>	MrSCQ: delete from object_cache
[10:59:47] <werdna>	MrSCQ: I'll answer you here, rather than in private -- run it as a query in phpmyadmin
[11:03:30] <JackieJac>	@werdna: Why is that?
[11:03:56] <MrSCQ>	how should i write that query? (im kinda rookie, and i do not want to mess with the db... and as far as you do backups all the time... when you dont know how to do that... i preffer to ask! ;-)
[11:04:24] <JackieJac>	@Splarka: I've only used #ifexpr twice and that was in the same template
[11:06:01] <MrSCQ>	i guess that  " TRUNCATE TABLE object_cache " would do the dirty job, right?
[11:06:13] <Duesentrieb>	sure
[11:06:41] <MrSCQ>	for some reason, when its time to touch a db, i have FEAR! :p
[11:06:58] <MrSCQ>	and even more when i dont know how it works the whole deal! :P
[11:07:00] <Duesentrieb>	backup first
[11:07:02] <Duesentrieb>	walways
[11:07:03] <Duesentrieb>	!backup
[11:07:03] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[11:08:40] <MrSCQ>	ok, i will dare now to start doing this... wish me luck! :D 
[11:16:11] <werdna>	JackieJac: because they make wikitext both unreadable and terribly slow
[11:17:31] <JackieJac>	Can templates not reference themselves?
[11:17:57] <werdna>	there's a maximum recursion depth
[11:18:47] <JackieJac>	How much is that? My set up is page calls template A, A calls template B, B calls itself X times.
[11:19:35] <JackieJac>	B doesn't call itself, unless I do {{Template:B|...}} instead of just {{B|...}} and even then, only once
[11:22:09] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LoopFunctions  and/or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Loops
[11:22:29] <Splarka>	loops are intentionally disabled in core and in extensions like ParserFunctions extension
[11:23:01] <Splarka>	"why" "turing incompleteness" "why" "because wikicode should not be a programming language, if you want mortals to edit it"
[11:23:56] <JackieJac>	Loops don't seem to be usable without var extensions and the server guy hasn't installed that yet. I'm too impatient
[11:26:27] <Splarka>	there are ways
[11:26:36] <Splarka>	just call {{B}} X-times
[11:27:05] <Splarka>	{{#ifexpr:{{{num|1}}} > 1|{{B}}}}<!--
[11:27:11] <Splarka>	-->{{#ifexpr:{{{num|1}}} > 2|{{B}}}}<!--
[11:27:14] <Splarka>	repeat
[11:27:25] <Splarka>	works up to about 150
[11:31:06] <JackieJac>	What does the num template do?
[11:31:08] <domas>	:-(
[11:31:36] <Splarka>	it is a parameter
[11:31:58] <Splarka>	domas: nobody cares about performance off WMF ^_^
[11:32:14] <Splarka>	well, besides Green
[11:32:36] <JackieJac>	Isn't num a template you are passing 1 to? Does it just count down to 1?
[11:33:20] <Splarka>	{{A|num=5}}
[11:33:37] <Splarka>	read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates
[11:34:38] <svip>	Ooo templates.
[11:35:39] <svip>	By the way, Splarka, will {{a|foo=1|2|bar=3|4}} will {{{1}}} and {{{2}}} be 2 and 4 respectively in this example?
[11:35:50] <svip>	Uhm, replace the first "will" with "in".
[11:36:14] <Splarka>	yah
[11:36:18] <svip>	;)
[11:37:54] <JackieJac>	Splarka, I'm still confused... this is not as intuitive as c++, at least I know where I'm at with that.
[11:38:05] <svip>	lol C++
[11:38:19] <HeimdallAustria>	I've set a parser hook which inserts an Applet (with <MyApplet>). Because I want to put this Applet on each of my Wikipages I wrote <MyApplet> to :Sitenotice and it works so far. Now I'd like to hand over the page's name as an additional parameter to this Applet. (e.g. <Myapplet param="Horse">. Any Idea how to manage this ?
[11:38:32] <svip>	Templates in C++ makes Baby Jesus cry.
[11:39:09] <svip>	HeimdallAustria: Why can't you just use the magic word "{{PAGENAME}}"?
[11:39:22] <Splarka>	that won't work in sitenotice
[11:39:28] <Splarka>	well, not as you might expect
[11:39:30] <svip>	I guess not.
[11:39:42] <Alphos>	ajax perhaps ?
[11:39:49] <Splarka>	maybe if you disable /all/ caches
[11:39:53] <JackieJac>	In Template:A I now have: {{#ifexpr: {{{NUMBER|1}}} > 1 | {{Template:B|...}} }}
[11:40:08] <Alphos>	or sth JS or DOM oriented, that would get the page title
[11:40:09] <JackieJac>	Am I supposed to add a line for every time I may want it to appear?
[11:40:15] <Splarka>	JackieJac: yes
[11:40:20] <JackieJac>	:(
[11:40:26] <Splarka>	but NUMBER is an ugly parameter name, heh
[11:40:37] <JackieJac>	It's not ;)
[11:40:45] <Splarka>	Alphos: wgPageName
[11:40:48] <svip>	JackieJac: No need to write {{Template:B|}}, Template: is assumed for {{}}.
[11:40:54] <svip>	{{B|}} is enough.
[11:40:54] <JackieJac>	What I meant to say is, that's not my param name
[11:41:02] <Splarka>	fair enough
[11:41:08] <JackieJac>	It was just for clarification purposes
[11:41:20] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Str_sub&action=edit
[11:41:25] <Splarka>	here is an esoteric example
[11:41:30] <svip>	You could just call it {{{1|1}}}, I still think we'll get it.
[11:41:37] <HeimdallAustria>	I tried to change the parameter in the DOM with a javascript on common.js but it seems to change it after the applet has been called 
[11:41:47] <CIA-58>	03minuteelectron * r53165 10/trunk/extensions/freenodeChat/ (5 files): * Add freenodeChat extension by Marco 27 (fork of Mibbit extension).
[11:42:01] <svip>	HeimdallAustria: Obviously.  JavaScript is last.
[11:42:35] <Splarka>	you'd have to have javascript generate the applet itself
[11:42:39] <Splarka>	(probably)
[11:42:47] <JackieJac>	svip: It's more for myself.
[11:42:49] <svip>	Yeah, that's probably it.
[11:43:17] <svip>	JackieJac: Woop woop.  Well, I am just curious what you are trying to do.
[11:43:21] <JackieJac>	I do the same thing when I begin writing new apps. Eveything is written extremely obvious and long at first
[11:43:47] <JackieJac>	Thanks for the help
[11:43:59] <svip>	Hm.
[11:44:03] <svip>	That's a good routine though.
[11:44:16] <svip>	I always just use the first word I think of.
[11:44:30] <svip>	So usually my code can easily turn into a Futurama quote.
[11:45:00] <Splarka>	function BiteMyShinyMetalAss()
[11:45:13] <Alphos>	[13:41:14] <Splarka> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Str_sub&action=edit /// WTF ?! >_>
[11:45:21] <svip>	Splarka: Exactly.
[11:45:30] <svip>	Although, I prefer more obscure Futurama quotes.
[11:45:40] <Splarka>	var $nowthatisirony
[11:46:00] <svip>	function NowRememberKifTheQuickestWayToAGirlsBedIsThroughHerParents($haveSexWithThem, $andYoureIn);
[11:46:08] <JackieJac>	For unimportant internal variable I tend to use names to make a story.
[11:46:10] <Alphos>	someone might get killed. fry, leela, bender ?
[11:46:34] <svip>	Alphos: Oh, the professor does not add a question mark, he commands them!
[11:46:38] <Splarka>	if($wehaveallseenZappswebsite)
[11:46:50] <svip>	This "virgin".
[11:46:53] <Alphos>	on the second time he does, svip .�
[11:46:55] <Alphos>	.�
[11:46:57] <Alphos>	;)
[11:47:17] <JackieJac>	I think it's something Univeristy instilled in me.
[11:47:27] <svip>	Ah, not really, he goes "someone's sured to get killed!  Fry, Leela, Bender" with Bender interrupting him; "damn you old man!"
[11:47:30] <JackieJac>	We get marked down for pointless var names :(
[11:47:34] <svip>	:(
[11:47:47] <JackieJac>	Well, non-descriptive
[11:48:02] <svip>	var awesomeVar = toTheMax;
[11:48:31] <svip>	Next time I'll write in C, I'll be sure to use enough #defines to allow usage of Futurama quotes as keywords.
[11:49:17] <svip>	I remember one who changed all the keywords in C using #define to Danish keywords. O_O
[11:52:51] <Duesentrieb>	svip: beend there, done that :)
[11:57:41] <svip>	:P
[11:58:03] <werdna>	JackieJac: don't use wikitext as a programming language if you value anybody's sanity
[11:58:33] <svip>	However, if you have no respect left for the human race, you may use wikitext as a programming language.
[11:59:08] <svip>	In general, however, this is not the first inmoral thing you are going to do when you reach that conclusion.
[11:59:17] <werdna>	won't somebody think of the editors, users, system administrators, developers and donors?
[12:00:01] <svip>	That's what I'm talking about!  MediaWiki people never think of the children.
[12:01:01] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:PEDO
[12:01:18] <Splarka>	or think about them too much >_<
[12:01:25] <MrSCQ>	hi, im still waiting the admin to give me the ftp & phpmyadmin login data... meanwhile, just for asking... when i truncate the data of objects_cache... the things in english would appear in my language later?? or should i populate that table somehow??
[12:01:27] <svip>	Which is why, after the family first crowd have given up on video games and social networks, they will move onto MediaWiki.
[12:02:36] <svip>	Eh.
[12:03:11] <svip>	Splarka: Hehe.
[12:04:05] <Nikerabbit>	any native english speakers
[12:04:10] <Nikerabbit>	"Adds <tt><nowiki><fundraising></nowiki></tt> tag as an image" does not make sense to me
[12:04:46] <Splarka>	context?
[12:05:01] <Splarka>	is it describing a parser tag extension?
[12:05:12] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[12:05:21] <Splarka>	hmm "Adds <imagemap> tag as a usemap image"
[12:05:21] <Nikerabbit>	fixedimage-desc
[12:05:34] <Splarka>	or "adds <inputbox> as a form"
[12:05:39] <Splarka>	it is a bit badly phrased
[12:05:46] <Nikerabbit>	most the description messages are
[12:05:58] <Splarka>	heh
[12:09:18] <Nikerabbit>	ARGH
[12:09:47] <Nikerabbit>	how it is possible that I confused yiddish for hebrew (or hebrew for yiddish??)
[12:10:42] <CIA-58>	03nikerabbit * r53166 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Dig up urls from Configure extension, and if possible add the links to the group descriptions
[12:19:51] <Alphos>	semitic chars Nikerabbit :/
[12:21:50] <p858snake>	hmm looking a user's user right log and they gain a right but apprently lost it and it doesn't show it
[12:22:06] <Platonides>	p858snake look at meta for the losing
[12:23:10] <p858snake>	nope meta shows nothing, neither does the global rights log
[12:23:52] <p858snake>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ABetacommand&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= <i could be loosing my mind. but that doesn't show the person using adminship
[12:24:42] <JackieJac>	@werdna: Not using it as a programming language, just need to use the features to decrease redundancy.
[12:25:03] <Platonides>	p858snake, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ABetacommand@enwiki&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=
[12:26:08] <Nikerabbit>	JackieJac: that's what they all say...
[12:37:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add usability: to interwiki tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19672  summary (10roan.kattouw)
[12:40:33] <CIA-58>	03catrope * r53167 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
[12:40:33] <CIA-58>	Revert r53147, r53149 and r53163 ("Add API module for QueryPage-based special
[12:40:33] <CIA-58>	pages"): this has already been worked on more extensively and cleanly in the
[12:40:33] <CIA-58>	querypage-work branch, if you wanna work on this please finalize the
[12:40:33] <CIA-58>	implementation there rather than reinventing the wheel.
[12:45:08] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, nooooo, my bug :P
[12:45:14] <RoanKattouw>	Sorry dude
[12:45:17] <Reedy>	:)
[12:45:29] <RoanKattouw>	But the stuff in the querypage-work branch is much better
[12:45:40] <RoanKattouw>	I like the fact that Bryan has been fixing API bugs this weekend
[12:46:03] <RoanKattouw>	And I hope he'll have the time to finalize that branch now that I don't
[12:46:28] <Splarka>	oh, roan, pokled rainman-sr about mwsuggest.js, he said.. um... what did he say... something about pineapples...
[12:46:49] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: cant you just merge the branch as is?
[12:46:50] <Splarka>	oh, I think he agreed that there wasn't much to trim
[12:47:27] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: I would if I had the time
[12:47:49] <RoanKattouw>	It's a pretty big set of changes that requires careful review and possibly hand-merging
[12:47:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Access QueryPage-based special pages via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14869  (10roan.kattouw)
[12:48:58] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: in parts?
[12:49:09] <RoanKattouw>	Even then, it takes time that I don't have
[12:49:13] <RoanKattouw>	I have a job, you know :)
[12:49:28] <RoanKattouw>	Granted, I'm not working right now, but I'm being jetlagged instead
[12:51:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API: support for "tags" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19004  (10roan.kattouw)
[12:55:32] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Logo not loading on enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19678  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:03:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cannot add comments to techblog.wikimedia.org from certain IP ranges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19540   +shell (10jidanni)
[13:04:11] <^demon>	Love it when servers go down for well-advertised scheduled downtime and people still file incident tickets going "zomg server offline!!"
[13:05:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cannot add comments to techblog.wikimedia.org from certain IP ranges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19540  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:12:18] <str4nd>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53159 should be updated to 1.15
[13:12:40] <str4nd>	err, merged
[13:14:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Uploaded image present blank 8192 byte sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19696 critical; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (Platonides)
[13:17:12] <str4nd>	Anyone who dares to touch branches?
[13:17:47] <^demon>	str4nd: What branch and what for?
[13:17:59] <str4nd>	^demon, see my message 5 minutes ago
[13:18:14] <^demon>	Duh
[13:18:15] *^demon 	reads
[13:18:34] <str4nd>	and see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19693
[13:18:40] <Splarka>	and 1.14 yes
[13:18:45] <str4nd>	ye
[13:18:51] <Splarka>	<Splarka> if so, probably should backport to 1.14 and 1.15
[13:20:03] <^demon>	Worth backporting yes. Can't commit from work though :-\
[13:20:23] *Splarka 	bribes Nikerabbit with pickled herring
[13:20:35] <Guest397>	How do I get wikias 404 message on my own MediaWiki?
[13:23:35] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: what?
[13:25:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mechanism to fork threads. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19482  (10agarrett)
[13:26:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spanish wikipedia XML dump problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18694  +comment (10enrique)
[13:30:36] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: str4nd also suggested backport of the XSS thing
[13:31:15] <werdna>	It isn't XSS
[13:31:23] <werdna>	You can't put < or > in a username
[13:31:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spanish wikipedia XML dump problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18694  (10Platonides)
[13:31:55] <Splarka>	<flyingparchment> Splarka: you can execute arbitrary JS by tricking a sysop into visiting a tinyurl
[13:32:10] <Splarka>	WFM
[13:32:45] <Splarka>	you can put it in a URI parameter that happens to also accept usernames, and one use of the parameter on blockip was exposing it as literal HTML
[13:33:08] <Splarka>	^ werd
[13:35:12] <werdna>	ah, it is perhaps not being verified as a valid username
[13:35:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add an explicit action=view_source to view a page's markup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19681  +comment (10jidanni)
[13:36:05] <werdna>	I doubt it though, because IIRC it removes User: namespace prefix.
[13:36:11] <werdna>	I'd like to see a proof-of-concept
[13:36:22] <Splarka>	..
[13:36:23] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: oh come on
[13:36:27] <Nikerabbit>	I already saw it
[13:36:32] <Splarka>	like the one I posted before tim fixed it?
[13:36:32] <TimStarling>	it looked like XSS to me
[13:36:35] <Nikerabbit>	it's not that hard to read the code to see it
[13:36:36] <TimStarling>	I'm going to do a release
[13:36:54] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Block?wpBlockAddress=%3Cscript%3Edocument.location%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fgoogle.com%22%3C%2Fscript%3E
[13:37:00] <Splarka>	(won't work now)
[13:37:44] <werdna>	ah, that works on my installation
[13:38:01] <werdna>	Obviously I don't remember the Blockip code too well :)
[13:38:18] <Splarka>	old behavior: <p class="mw-ipb-conveniencelinks"><a ...>Contributions for <script>document.location="http://google.com"</script></a>   ... new:  <a ...>Contributions for &lt;script&gt;document.location="http://google.com"&lt;/script&gt;</a> 
[13:39:11] <TimStarling>	I think I will revert most of the changes on the branches before I do this
[13:39:23] <TimStarling>	I believe some people have been committing unreviewed bugfixes
[13:41:49] <Splarka>	there was one more odd one, but not much in the way of use
[13:44:58] <str4nd>	Only 3 changes after 10 June (1.15): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/path?path=%2Fbranches%2FREL1_15%2Fphase3
[13:46:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add an explicit action=view_source to view a page's markup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19681  +comment (10Platonides)
[13:46:10] <str4nd>	1.14 has 13 :/
[13:53:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593  (10jidanni)
[13:55:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spanish wikipedia XML dump problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18694  (10enrique)
[13:57:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593  (10innocentkiller)
[14:03:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Activate RevisionDelete for sysops on dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19697 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (church.of.emacs.ml)
[14:13:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple rows created in pagelinks table for a redirect page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7304  (10yishaig)
[14:18:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User:Connel MacKenzie/clock.js causes errors for non logged-in users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19634  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:20:27] <jdpond>	Hey Duesentrieb, just finished a lockdown for files/images that extends Extension:Lockdown by writing a new local file repo class, http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:NSFileRepo.  Tested on 1.15.0, will test on 1.13, 1.14 tonight.
[14:23:42] <str4nd>	What is this madness: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Log?offset=20090713093654&limit=19
[14:24:28] <OverlordQ>	spambots?
[14:24:44] <str4nd>	Yep.
[14:25:30] <Duesentrieb>	jdpond: nice
[14:25:37] <Duesentrieb>	jdpond: saw your post on the ml
[14:30:57] <jdpond>	The file repo class system is brilliant - kudos to TimStarling.  I would have never thought of that architecture, but stand in awe after seeing it in practice.
[14:31:58] <^demon>	jdpond: It works great, even for terribly hacky solutions like the ForeignApiRepo :)
[14:33:06] <^demon>	str4nd: If they start spamming, we'll delete and block as needed.
[14:36:09] <jdpond>	^demon: That's the genius of FileRepo - the ability to make "hacky" solutions work, without extensive branching and customizations.  It also appears to be very performance effective.  Took me several days to wrap my (admittedly puny) brain around it, but once the lightbulbs went off, implementation was very straightforward.
[14:36:42] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Convert the WT:PREFS javascript to a PHP MediaWiki extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11997  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:54:51] <CIA-58>	03mrzman * r53168 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryCategoryMembers.php: Followup to r53087 / r53052 - Change dieUsage to setWarning per CodeReview
[15:05:35] <CIA-58>	03raymond * r53169 10/trunk/debs/squid/debian/errors/error.html: Add Wikimedia Austria and Wikimedia Switzerland for the error message in German.
[15:16:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593  (10sergey.chernyshev)
[15:20:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgServer can't be set properly with --server attribute in command line tools - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19593  (10innocentkiller)
[15:22:23] <werdna>	hmm, how do I get a user object given an ID/name tuple?
[15:22:39] <werdna>	needs to correctly handle anonymous users
[15:22:56] <RoanKattouw>	Just use newFromName()
[15:24:21] <werdna>	hmm, seems to handle it correctly
[15:26:26] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r53170 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (classes/LqtThread.php migrateDatabase.php): 
[15:26:26] <CIA-58>	General LiquidThreads fixes:
[15:26:26] <CIA-58>	* Fix loading of anonymous users in Thread::author(), was giving the current IP for all IP users.
[15:26:26] <CIA-58>	* Fix update script, missing parameter (has now been tested. Apart from some weird database corruption I can't do anything about because it's in a previous version, now seems to work).
[15:29:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Should be able to modify $wgServerName in LocalSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8866  +comment (10jidanni)
[15:32:48] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r53171 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtThread.php: Mark threads as read by all users when they're deleted
[15:35:13] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r53172 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/ (LqtDispatch.php LqtView.php): Only write scripts and styles to the page once
[15:36:54] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r53173 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fix dodgy uses of wfMsgHtml() and related HTML escaping
[15:38:28] <CIA-58>	03jan * r53174 10/trunk/extensions/Poll/ (Poll.i18n.php Poll_body.php): Bugfixes: Disable change function for unregisted users
[15:43:22] <GreenReaper>	From crucially at Wikia, why load time matters - two seconds can lose you 7.5% of your audience: http://www.flickr.com/photos/crucially/3716344792/
[15:45:11] <Nikerabbit>	uhhuh
[15:45:32] <Nikerabbit>	Xml::checkLabel doesn't escape??
[15:46:28] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: it looks like it is doing double escaping now (and before too)
[15:46:58] <TimStarling>	better double than not at all
[15:47:35] *werdna 	found an XSS bug marked up as "TODO" in LiquidThreads
[15:47:44] <werdna>	Oh, I'll get around to escaping this sometime
[15:47:48] *werdna 	rolleyes
[15:50:43] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r53175 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtDispatch.php: 
[15:50:43] <CIA-58>	Some miscellaneous TODO marked in LiquidThreads:
[15:50:43] <CIA-58>	* Fix another cross-site scripting vulnerability, which was marked as "TODO" (!!).
[15:50:43] <CIA-58>	* Replace some inline HTML with properly generated and parsed HTML.
[15:59:41] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r53176 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtDispatch.php: Properly fix XSS, previous fix only applied to posts >230 chars
[16:06:26] <werdna>	hey again brion
[16:06:33] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r53177 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix a fatal by not validating usernames when grabbing a thread author. This seems to reject things like IPv6 addresses.
[16:10:01] <brion>	what up
[16:16:57] <werdna>	not much
[16:25:39] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r53178 10/branches/REL1_14/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[16:25:39] <CIA-58>	* Updates for release of 1.14.0
[16:25:39] <CIA-58>	* Reverted formatting changes from r48646
[16:25:39] <CIA-58>	* Added release notes for r48123 and r48646
[16:39:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Config sync scripts fail to update machines with NFS-less /home configuration. Breaks mhr.wikipedia new addition - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19683  15enhancement->04CRIT (10brion)
[16:41:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New logo for oc wikibook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19675  (10brion)
[16:41:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Request for Unblock-zh-l - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19560  +comment (10cbass)
[16:42:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uploaded image present blank 8192 byte sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19696  +comment (10brion)
[16:44:03] <Prom_cat>	Request: Update extension:crowdauthenticator from 1.11 to 1.16 - If anyone wants to do it would be greatly appreciated :)
[16:45:32] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Authorize sending pages per Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19660  +comment (10brion)
[16:45:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "mail this article to someone" feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227  +comment (10brion)
[16:47:32] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r53179 10/branches/REL1_15/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php): 
[16:47:32] <CIA-58>	* Updates for 1.15.1
[16:47:32] <CIA-58>	* Added release notes for r52009 and r52371
[16:47:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create wikimediaCO-l list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19610  +comment (10cbass)
[16:47:48] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Abuse filter in Persian wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19642  (10brion)
[16:48:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create public mailing list for Wikimedia Finland - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19617  +comment (10cbass)
[16:48:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikipedia project page error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19661  +comment (10brion)
[16:48:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add sources to enable transwiki importing on vec.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19639  (10brion)
[16:49:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit for gdwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19636  (10brion)
[16:52:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cite error wrongly shows up (multiple <references/> tags in templates) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19631  15enhancement->minor; normal->low; summary (10brion)
[16:53:01] <swtcandychik5>	hey 
[16:53:19] <swtcandychik5>	is there anyone that can try to help me 
[16:53:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mobile-l feedback system issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19623  (10brion)
[16:53:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Adding logo to Tamil Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19619  (10brion)
[16:55:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $aliases['en']['AbuseFilter'] = array( 'EditFilter', 'AbuseFilter' ) for enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19618  +comment (10brion)
[16:55:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Techblog: Favicon is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19614  (10brion)
[16:56:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flood flag option on cs.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19589  +comment (10brion)
[16:58:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) secure.wikimedia.org speed and status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19587  +comment (10brion)
[16:59:01] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) secure.wikimedia.org Proxy Errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19588  +comment (10brion)
[16:59:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) secure.wikimedia.org speed and status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19587  (10brion)
[16:59:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The namespace "Portal:" is not enabled on Urdu Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19569  (10brion)
[17:00:08] <charitwo>	something smells like bug monday
[17:09:57] <^demon>	charitwo: Bug Monday would be cool again :)
[17:12:30] <werdna>	hey tomaszf 
[17:13:40] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r53180 10/branches/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backported r53159 to 1.14 and 1.15
[17:15:36] <TimStarling>	any objections to an immediate release?
[17:15:57] <TimStarling>	e.g. from brion?
[17:20:45] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r53181 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (classes/LqtThread.php pages/TalkpageView.php): 
[17:20:45] <CIA-58>	Fix for bulk thread loading:
[17:20:45] <CIA-58>	* Something funky was going on with array_merge(), now fixed.
[17:20:45] <CIA-58>	* Prevent duplicate entries confusing it by keying with the reply's id.
[17:20:50] <werdna>	whee
[17:21:05] <werdna>	Have successfully ported an old wiki to the new system with an upgrade script
[17:21:43] <brion>	TimStarling: whenever you're ready :)
[17:21:53] <brion>	werdna: yay!
[17:23:27] <^demon>	Marco27: Whatever you /msg'd me about, might want to try again. IRC app acted up and I couldn't switch to read it.
[17:24:30] <Marco27>	^demon: Ok ;) ... However I resolved problem :) ... Thanks!
[17:25:10] <werdna>	brion: if we want wikieducator to test for us, I guess I should make it compatible with at least 1.15, right?
[17:26:09] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r53182 10/tags/REL1_14_1/: Tagging release 1.14.1
[17:26:46] <CIA-58>	03tstarling * r53183 10/tags/REL1_15_1/: Tagging release 1.15.1
[17:26:57] <brion>	perhaps :)
[17:27:12] <CIA-58>	03aaron * r53184 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: optimized onUserCan() a bit
[17:27:13] <brion>	werdna: do you have a tech contact there to coordinate with?
[17:27:32] <werdna>	Erik introduced me to Jim and Wayne
[17:28:12] <werdna>	I'm thinking I'll try to iron out any compat issues with 1.15, and email them
[17:28:30] <^demon>	Marco27: Alrighty. Glad it worked out :)
[17:29:03] <Marco27>	:)
[17:29:10] <brion>	werdna: perfect :D
[17:30:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $aliases['en']['AbuseFilter'] = array( 'EditFilter', 'AbuseFilter' ) for enwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19618  (10happy-melon)
[17:32:46] <werdna>	brion: LQT isn't "there" yet, but I think they'd rather run a work in progress than a horribly buggy old version with 3 cross-site scripting vulnerabilities ;)
[17:33:16] <brion>	:D
[17:33:30] <brion>	werdna: also note the above bug suggesting rename of AbuseFilter to EditFilter. thoughts?
[17:34:32] <werdna>	I don't think it's worth changing the name of the extension itself, it's far more trouble than it's worth.
[17:34:38] <cdavis>	Is there a trick to getting Fckeditor to allow me to upload a file directly from the image icon?
[17:34:48] <werdna>	But changing some of the user-facing stuff seems simple enough
[17:35:46] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Modify text of Wikimedia UK error 404 page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19566  +comment (10brion)
[17:37:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Extension:Collection in he.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19537  +comment (10brion)
[17:37:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problematic book export to PDF/ODF for bidi documents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17766  (10brion)
[17:37:45] <werdna>	brion: I think it would be confusing to sysadmins to rename the extension itself, but changing the user-facing stuff seems like a polite thing to do.
[17:38:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cannot add comments to techblog.wikimedia.org from certain IP ranges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19540  +comment (10brion)
[17:39:13] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Add "Uploader" to the list of rights admins can assign/revoke and expand to include "edit semi-protected pages" (en.wiki) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19535  +comment (10brion)
[17:39:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'confirmed' group to enwiki & commonswiki providing the 'autoconfirmed' permissions, which can be manually assigned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19611  +comment (10brion)
[17:39:54] <werdna>	brion: also, am I gonna get mail of cron job outputs if I run a cron job on hume (it's for submitting abuse data to project honeypot folks)
[17:40:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'confirmed' group to enwiki & commonswiki providing the 'autoconfirmed' permissions, which can be manually assigned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19611  +comment (10brion)
[17:40:15] <werdna>	Submission seems to work okay if I do it manually, but not in cron :(
[17:41:10] <werdna>	cron job is definitely running, because the file I maintain pointing to the last line that was sent seems to be being updated.
[17:42:26] <werdna>	which brion is which :)
[17:43:16] <werdna>	o-o
[17:43:23] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, um?  Details?
[17:45:10] <brion-netbook>	werdna: better?
[17:45:37] <werdna>	brion-netbook: I'm not sure which brion I'm supposed to talk to :)
[17:46:00] <werdna>	did you see what I said above about cron jobs on hume?
[17:48:05] <brion>	werdna: if it's under your account, then hopefully :)
[17:48:14] <brion>	assuming you have a sensible mail forward anyway
[17:48:36] <werdna>	I put agarrett@wikimedia.org in .forward -- maybe it's confused because that too is a forward :)
[17:48:37] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: what?
[17:48:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) follow options for paragraphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19530  +comment (10brion)
[17:48:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section level watch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738  +comment (10brion)
[17:48:52] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, oh, wait, I got confused.
[17:49:04] <Simetrical>	I thought you said "your doctype crashed my firefox", not "your doctype page crashed my firefox".
[17:49:13] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) secure.wikimedia.org speed and status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19587  +comment (10fvassard)
[17:49:15] <Simetrical>	So no bug that needs to be addressed by us, then.
[17:49:46] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[17:52:15] <Simetrical>	Okay, great.
[17:58:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Special:Log/centralauth as an alias for Special:Log/globalauth and Special:GlobalAuth as an alias for Special:CentralAuth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18837  (10innocentkiller)
[17:59:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Twinkle not working - wrong response from server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19461  +comment (10brion)
[18:00:13] <^demon>	Simetrical: I wonder what to do with bug 13381 (Improve the XHTML strictness) with the move to HTML5.
[18:00:36] <Simetrical>	^demon, if it's finalized, obviously all old XHTML-specific bugs should be closed, or repurposed to equivalent HTML 5.
[18:00:56] <^demon>	True.
[18:01:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create wikimediaCO-l list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19610  +comment (10jidanni)
[18:03:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create wikimediaCO-l list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19610  (10innocentkiller)
[18:03:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create public mailing list for Wikimedia Finland - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19617  +comment (10jidanni)
[18:04:26] *^demon 	wonders how many of those are going to get spammed about not being in English.
[18:04:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add-on: statistics per namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19621  (10alfred.maghi)
[18:04:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create wikimediaCO-l list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19610  (10brion)
[18:07:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add-on: statistics per namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19621  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:07:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cannot add comments to techblog.wikimedia.org from certain IP ranges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19540  (10jidanni)
[18:08:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Running maintenance/orphans.php --fix causes lock error on redirect table (w/patch) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11867  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:08:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance script cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19133  (10innocentkiller)
[18:12:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Twinkle not working - wrong response from server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19461  +comment (10brion)
[18:16:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable the flood flag on the English Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19521  (10brion)
[18:21:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Inverse selection for Special:Contributes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19698 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[18:22:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) zh.wikipedia.org unusable for text browser users due to massive vocabulary lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19453  (10brion)
[18:23:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow blocked users to edit own talk page on es.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19444  (10brion)
[18:24:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot choose Language zh-tw anymore on zh.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19452  +comment (10brion)
[18:25:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) centralnotice.js should be served compressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19437  +comment (10brion)
[18:26:55] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) On fr.wikipedia, all administrators become importers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19432  +comment (10brion)
[18:28:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set custom upload URL for Bengali Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19418  summary (10brion)
[18:30:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) addition of [[mediawikiwiki: prefix on mediawiki.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19405  (10brion)
[18:30:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) please rename WikiSaurus namespace on de.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19401  (10brion)
[18:32:45] <elysianfields44>	Does having a slash in an article title make a difference when obtaining article content (via getContent and getSection) ? For some odd reason it's not returning anything when the title has slashes in it.
[18:33:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please activate $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit in cawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19400  (10brion)
[18:33:14] <elysianfields44>	(It might be just my code, but I wanted to check)
[18:33:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow the blocked users to edit their own talk pages in gl.wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19398  (10brion)
[18:35:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Deploy LiquidThreads extension when ready - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19699 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (brion)
[18:37:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Alert the user if he receive a reply anywhere in the discussion pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19388  +comment (10brion)
[18:37:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deploy LiquidThreads extension when ready - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19699  (10brion)
[18:37:53] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53185 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Reduced the level of detail in comments as per Tim Starling's request.
[18:38:43] <RoanKattouw>	elysianfields44: You may be urlencoding the slashes, which confuses Apache
[18:40:13] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Make Links to Page Sections Display Only the Section Text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12285  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:40:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [[#foo|]], [[/bar|]] should be equivalent to [[#foo|foo]], [[/bar|bar]] (new use of "pipe trick") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:40:25] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Can't Enter a New Editor Assistance Request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19378  +comment (10brion)
[18:40:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) InterWiki links using characters specific to Romanian language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=645  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:40:51] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Pipe trick parsing fails for wikilinks with both a prefix and anchor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14734  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:40:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on Arabic Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19332  (10brion)
[18:41:16] <elysianfields44>	RoanKattouw: Thanks, I was urlencoding them.
[18:41:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pipe trick parsing fails for wikilinks with both a prefix and anchor - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14734  (10innocentkiller)
[18:41:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) [[#foo|]], [[/bar|]] should be equivalent to [[#foo|foo]], [[/bar|bar]] (new use of "pipe trick") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:41:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable LocalisationUpdate extension on Incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19312  +comment (10brion)
[18:41:52] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53186 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Changed comment style as per Tim Starling's request.
[18:43:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User edit counts (user.user_editcount field) is often wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19311  (10brion)
[18:43:19] <CIA-58>	03rotem * r53187 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/DefaultSettings.php skins/monobook/rtl.css): Fixing a syntax error in rtl.css.
[18:43:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database table cleanup (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16660  (10brion)
[18:45:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) zh.wikipedia.org unusable for text browser users due to massive vocabulary lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19453  (10jidanni)
[18:45:47] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Grant right "abusefilter-log-details" to autoconfirmed users @ zhwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19212  +comment (10brion)
[18:46:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) zh.wikipedia.org unusable for text browser users due to massive vocabulary lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19453  (10jidanni)
[18:47:57] <SEJeff_away>	How can you link a url that includes brackets?
[18:47:58] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) zh.wikipedia.org unusable for text browser users due to massive vocabulary lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19453  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[18:50:47] <Bryan>	SEJeff_away: urlencode the brackets
[18:50:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please activate $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit in cawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19400   +shell; +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[18:51:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Disable 'missingsummary' feature on dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19208  +comment (10brion)
[18:51:09] <SEJeff_away>	Bryan, uggg I was hoping there was a better way. Ok thanks
[18:52:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The search function on Wikipedia won't select (Modern + webkit browsers) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19194  summary (10brion)
[18:52:25] <Holos>	Anyone know if there is an issus with older versions of media wiki, usernames with underscores and User::addToDatabase?
[18:53:35] <brion>	Holos: usernames can't contain underscores
[18:53:45] <brion>	from input they'll be converted to spaces
[18:53:52] <brion>	(same as page titles)
[18:53:55] <brion>	(more or less)
[18:54:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable forceeditsummary for dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17453  (10brion)
[18:54:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs on de.wikiquote (sighted+quality versions) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19179  (10brion)
[18:54:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable flood flag on Simple English Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19152  (10brion)
[18:54:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable AbuseFilter in Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19109  (10brion)
[18:54:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Render file links in the dupe files list like links from wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14148  (10innocentkiller)
[18:55:10] <Holos>	brion: Ah.. thanks, that explains it..
[18:58:03] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Add LAMP credit near the "Powered by MediaWiki" logo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19099  +comment (10brion)
[19:00:14] <CIA-58>	03dale * r53188 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/ (15 files in 4 dirs): 
[19:00:14] <CIA-58>	* moved upload folder location
[19:00:14] <CIA-58>	* renamed uploadFromUpload to uploadFromFile for clarity.
[19:00:14] <CIA-58>	* minor js2 fixes (remoteMwEmbed check to avoid double js2)
[19:00:44] <Bryan>	mdale: how much more work is there to do? :)
[19:01:37] <mdale>	"its been working" for quite some time waiting in the code review queue while not merged to the trunk seems to be not a effective way to get things merged... 
[19:02:12] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Automated command-line installation of MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14203  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:02:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CLI setup script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10542  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:02:34] <mdale>	maybe I should just merge to trunk? .. I did some work this week to make sure you can turn off all the other stuff ( script server, js2 javascript libraries etc) 
[19:02:40] <mdale>	(or last week I mean) 
[19:03:25] <^demon>	reviewing branches for merge is tough :)
[19:03:46] <Bryan>	perhaps ask brion first
[19:03:48] <Bryan>	brion
[19:04:04] <Bryan>	(you're in the same office as he, right?)
[19:04:29] <Simetrical>	mdale, ^demon: this is why I never use branches.
[19:04:32] <Simetrical>	I just develop on trunk.
[19:04:42] <Simetrical>	With config switches if necessary to disable things that aren't stable yet.
[19:04:46] <mdale>	(well know i know ;)
[19:04:53] <^demon>	Says the git branch lover :)
[19:04:56] <brion>	mdale: yes let's do this thang ;)
[19:05:08] <mdale>	oky :)
[19:05:10] <brion>	we just gotta push it on thorugh for once
[19:05:12] <brion>	gonna be fun :D
[19:05:38] <^demon>	brion: My branch is pretty stable too and shouldn't break things (now) :)
[19:05:42] <mdale>	yea... its Monday... (good day to try i think)
[19:06:02] <MrZ-man>	is there a reason we use spaces for usernames and underscores for titles, or it was just always done that way?
[19:06:48] <Shakata|IBM>	Anyway to get the Curid of a page, inside that page itself?  IE from a magic word or something?
[19:07:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create public mailing list for Wikimedia Finland - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19617  (10str4nd)
[19:07:54] <brion>	MrZ-man: horrible historical oddity
[19:08:15] <Holos>	MrZ-man: Not sure, but it's going to break my auth-ldap and auto-user in a big way.. We were purchased by a company who insists on first_last..
[19:08:44] <brion>	Holos: if you don't allow spaces you acn probably live with it
[19:08:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User name Special:BlockIP is not HTML escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19693  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:08:56] <brion>	just have it convert to spaces internally, they can even type the underscores :)
[19:10:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hewiktionary pages-articles.xml dump corrupted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18651  +comment (10brion)
[19:11:12] <Marco27>	Hi! To upgrade from 1.15.0 to 1.15.1, is sufficient upgrade files? Don't I need to upgrade also database?
[19:11:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Duplicate names $wgAddGroups et al should be removed not to confuse Special:ListGroupRights display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18648  (10brion)
[19:11:27] <Bryan>	no
[19:11:40] <^demon>	Files should be enough for 1.15.0 -> 1.15.1. There weren't any DB changes.
[19:12:15] <Bryan>	generally there should never be DB changes between such updates
[19:12:28] <Simetrical>	There might be sometimes.  But not usually.
[19:13:38] <Holos>	brion: Looks like changing the entry in the user table to replace the "User_Name" to "User Name" allows him to login with AuthLDAP fine. Thanks for that
[19:13:49] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Create "game" namespace on Hebrew Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18675  +comment (10brion)
[19:14:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Alert the user if he receive a reply anywhere in the discussion pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19388  (10agarrett)
[19:15:02] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Hard redirects to Special pages do not work, at least in English Wikipedia. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18701  (10brion)
[19:15:04] <brion>	Holos: woohoo :)
[19:15:32] <^demon>	Holos: Careful with that. I tried changing '_' to ' ' in the user table before and it broke some stuff.
[19:15:48] <^demon>	(granted, I was testing unrelated stuff, but just fyi. YMMV)
[19:16:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search in yi: should ignore diacritics and identify ligatures - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18764  +comment (10brion)
[19:18:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) latex and spanish projects (sine function wrongly displayed) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18912  (10brion)
[19:18:18] <werdna>	brion: yeah notification of in-thread replies has been working for ages :)
[19:18:58] <werdna>	Actually I'm wondering what you think about the summary feature
[19:19:03] <werdna>	tbh, I'd like to ditch it.
[19:20:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) CGI:IRC web interface for Freenode's Wikimedia chat rooms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18791  +comment (10brion)
[19:20:40] <werdna>	Parul thinks so too, but I'm wondering what you (and Erik, I guess) think about it
[19:20:46] <Marco27>	Bryan: No what ;) ?
[19:21:07] <Bryan>	no need to upgrade the database
[19:21:30] <Marco27>	Bryan: Ahn, I've understand... Thanks!
[19:21:45] <werdna>	brion: ah you're lunching, will bug you after :D
[19:22:22] <brion>	:D
[19:23:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Have a permalink type URL as a user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18796  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:23:16] <FoeNyx>	brion-lunch> bon appétit
[19:27:21] <Annemarie>	^demon: I think the standard convention for things like this is to include the permanent URL in the footer.
[19:27:30] <Annemarie>	At least I think that's how most other reference works do it.
[19:27:45] <Annemarie>	A permalink stripped of ?title= in the footer wouldn't be too bad...
[19:28:12] *Annemarie 	goes to peek at how JSTOR does it...
[19:28:46] <Annemarie>	Hmm, I guess that isn't really related to the current bug...
[19:35:06] <^demon>	AnneMarie: Yeah, a userpref for the idea sucks though.
[19:41:03] <chuck>	brion-lunch: what are the new changes that will be merged in from the upload branch?
[19:41:06] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Interwiki with double ' char (wrong parsing) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3749  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:41:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Order of title recognition and bold / italic rendering should be reversed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4598  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:45:12] <Zbiczek>	hi. Is it possible to add a dropdown list or combobox to the sidebar? (it would run a javascript)
[19:49:25] <Duesentrieb>	not easily.
[19:50:32] <Simetrical>	Using MediaWiki:Common.js, sure.
[19:53:17] <str4nd>	Sysop needed: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Brion_VIBBER#Templates.2Fpages_to_change_on_release
[19:56:25] <^demon>	str4nd: For what?
[19:56:48] <^demon>	It was already reverted.
[19:57:12] <str4nd>	^demon, Ehm, I mean that 1.14.1 and 1.15.1 has been released
[19:57:51] <^demon>	Ah, I'll look at those.
[19:58:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Have a permalink type URL as a user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18796  (10Gerard.meijssen)
[19:58:33] <xiong>	pls see http://beyondeuclid.com/wiki/Image:Tipped-can-isometric.jpg -- note that in the File History, the character between 609 and 361, which should be 'times', is corrupt -- i've edited several system messages to the appropriate named entities -- see the line directly below the image -- but the entities don't display! -- what now??
[19:59:14] <Bryan>	we could sysop str4nd if he is willing to do those dirty jobs for us :)
[20:00:10] <str4nd>	Ok
[20:00:42] <str4nd>	demon updated already :)
[20:02:00] <^demon>	str4nd: They should be done now.
[20:02:34] <str4nd>	Looks like it
[20:04:06] <str4nd>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MediaWiki_News and http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2009-July/000087.html
[20:07:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Have a permalink type URL as a user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18796  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[20:08:36] <^demon>	str4nd: Done.
[20:08:43] <str4nd>	Great, thanks
[20:09:54] <TrevorParscal>	werdna: you around?
[20:10:01] <^demon>	TrevorParscal: Need a box to hide in?
[20:10:03] <werdna>	mebbe
[20:10:29] <TrevorParscal>	in head, the preferences are rendering differently
[20:10:39] <xiong>	any help displaying entities in system messages?
[20:14:33] <xiong>	this page itself displays correctly but when the message is *used* on an image page, it's wrong --> http://beyondeuclid.com/wiki/MediaWiki:File-info-size
[20:16:20] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r53189 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/prefs.js: Remove is_khtml condition from prefs.js -- KHTMLFixes.css has been deleted
[20:18:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Have a permalink type URL as a user preference - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18796  (10Gerard.meijssen)
[20:22:54] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53190 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/images/ (tab-current-fade.png tab-normal-fade.png): Fixed display issue when raising font size really high, tabs would show background color, which is needed for displaying without images.
[20:26:15] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53191 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.css: Made text area match up to right side of toolbar.
[20:27:46] <CIA-58>	03robin * r53192 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRandompage.php: fix syntax error
[20:28:47] <xiong>	any help displaying entities in system messages?
[20:29:49] <brion>	chuck: support for fancier uploading ui (add media wizard and such), cleaner upload internals, and javascript merging to reduce hits for js features and make localization easier
[20:30:04] <chuck>	ooh, nice
[20:30:09] <brion>	xiong: double-check the message files are encoded correctly?
[20:31:10] <xiong>	brion, system messages are corrupt -- i replaced the hi-ascii or unicode whatevers with proper named entities -- these render properly on their own pages but not when in use
[20:31:49] <brion>	xiong: many messages are meant to be plain text and are escaped on output
[20:32:04] <brion>	thus you want to use the original char, not an HTML char reference
[20:32:38] <xiong>	um, well, not to quibble but you and i have different interpretations of the phrase 'plain text' -- to me, this means strictly ascii 0-127, never anything else
[20:33:11] <xiong>	i strongly and seriously dislike any sort of editing using chars outside this range
[20:33:30] <SEJeff_away>	mediawiki thinks that any image I upload is text/plain and refuses to display it
[20:33:48] <SEJeff_away>	Yet when you go to the image and click on it the image is fully formed and works fine
[20:33:55] <xiong>	i agree that &name; entities are being escaped when used; how can i change this behavior?
[20:34:21] <ialex>	xiong: unless you hack the code, you can't
[20:34:35] <Simetrical>	Unicode is plaintext.
[20:34:49] <xiong>	ialex, a one-line hack or a multiline rewrite?
[20:34:51] <Danny_B>	why do i see <editpage-tos-summary> on live wiki? (or should i rather ask on wmtech?)
[20:35:08] <xiong>	Simetrical, no offense but this is a political question... i'm on the other side
[20:35:19] <Bryan>	try purging MediaWiki:editpage-tos-summary
[20:35:22] <xiong>	from a technical point of view, i'm only asking how to make it work
[20:35:37] <ialex>	xiong: depends how may XSS how want :)
[20:35:42] <ialex>	*many
[20:36:22] <Simetrical>	I'm pretty sure that any definition of "plaintext" I've heard of includes Unicode.  Plaintext doesn't refer to a specific character encoding.  I'm fairly sure the term predates the existence of ASCII.  And "text/plain" is definitely the correct MIME type for Unicode files with no special markup.
[20:36:26] <Simetrical>	However.
[20:36:31] <ialex>	and s/how/you
[20:36:39] <xiong>	ialex, sorry for my limitations but i'm not sure i understand what you said...
[20:36:44] <Simetrical>	If you would like to disable Unicode, then that might be possible.
[20:36:46] <Simetrical>	But probably not.
[20:36:51] <Simetrical>	Without a huge amount of pain.
[20:36:54] <Danny_B>	Bryan: it's actually inexisting thus empty
[20:37:15] <Simetrical>	Anyway.
[20:37:21] <ialex>	xiong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting
[20:37:43] <Simetrical>	If your only problem is that you want to add entities in messages, you can hack wfMsg() to always pass through ampersands literally.
[20:37:51] <Simetrical>	This will not create XSS; you can't do XSS with ampersands.
[20:38:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Coordinate config and message updates for GFDL -> CC-BY-SA license migration - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18990  +comment (10brion)
[20:38:16] <xiong>	ah! Simetrical; that is what i seek
[20:38:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install ParserFunctions at the SPI vote server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18993  +comment (10brion)
[20:38:30] <Simetrical>	You want to look in includes/GlobalFunctions.php and fix up wfMsgExt() so that 'escapenoentities' is always used.
[20:38:44] <Simetrical>	Then copy that logic to wfMsgHtml(), wfMsg(), and any other relevant function, if necessary.
[20:38:53] <Simetrical>	If you're lucky, this won't break anything.
[20:39:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Broken interwiki search results on Swedish Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19020  +comment (10brion)
[20:39:59] <xiong>	ialex, iiuc, your objection is that somebody might figure out a way to subvert my wiki by editing system messages -- i'm not worried about this but thanks for your concern
[20:42:22] <xiong>	Simetrical, i have just enough understanding that i can see what you are driving at; but not enough expertise actually to do such a thing
[20:42:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable variant ShortURLs for Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19019  +comment (10brion)
[20:42:55] <Simetrical>	xiong, well, I don't think there's any easier way to get it to work.
[20:43:01] <xiong>	if there isn't a fairly obvious switch for me to throw or line to paste in or replace somehow, then this is a dead end for me
[20:43:06] <Simetrical>	There's not.
[20:44:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) update localised messages as soon as possible (LocalisationUpdate ext) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18604  summary; +comment (10brion)
[20:44:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable LocalisationUpdate extension on Incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19312  (10brion)
[20:44:37] <xiong>	well then, i'm going to suggest that such an option be made available -- but for now, what other strategy can i employ to get my system messages back on track? -- this undoubtedly means to use the hated characters themselves, which i'll have to live with -- but i don't see how to restore them from whatever corruption attacked them in the first place
[20:44:39] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: i just returned from vacations and see your proposal for html 5. i don't have time to read the full thread, i'd just need the one answer,please: does that proposal suppose the xml serialization? thx
[20:45:05] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, the proposal has us continuing to serve well-formed XML under a text/html MIME type at the present time.
[20:45:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) OTRS doesn't send reminders anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18575  +comment (10brion)
[20:45:22] <Simetrical>	I've suggested we also consider switching away from XML, but that's a discussion for the future, not now.
[20:45:59] <Simetrical>	First let's make sure the new doctype deploys on the site properly at all.
[20:46:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix bz interface so it says 'change vote for this bug' if you have already voted for it - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18509   +upstream; +comment (10brion)
[20:48:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IE7 warnings with non-secure logos on secure - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18496  +comment (10brion)
[20:48:09] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: ok, thx. i'm ok with any xml application, i wouldn't like to switch to non xml, since i consider it as ten steps back
[20:48:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide SSL/HTTPS interface to upload.wikimedia.org and use it for SSL-served pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16822  (10brion)
[20:48:21] <Simetrical>	I'm unsurprised.  We can discuss that later.
[20:49:26] <CIA-58>	03werdna * r53193 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/LqtView.php: Fatal
[20:50:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User name Special:BlockIP is not HTML escaped - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19693  (10Amalthea.wikimedia)
[20:51:03] <Dantman|Work>	Nikerabbit, btw... ;) mediawiki-hosting.com is down to $30 from that $45
[20:53:48] *Annemarie 	yays for having brion around during the day. :-)
[20:54:27] <brion>	\o/
[20:55:11] <Duesentrieb>	:O
[20:55:19] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) OTRS doesn't send reminders anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18575  +comment (10fvassard)
[20:56:50] <^demon>	Annemarie: You killed Brion.
[20:56:59] <Annemarie>	Kidnapped. >_>
[20:59:20] <^demon>	And thus ends another exciting day at work. Later folks.
[21:14:53] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Modify text of Wikimedia UK error 404 page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19566  +comment (10mediawiki)
[21:22:28] <Forrester>	hi
[21:22:31] <Forrester>	little question
[21:22:51] <Forrester>	is it possible to use MediaWiki:Licenses like this:
[21:23:27] <Forrester>	Foo}}{{Bar|klick here to select the two licences foo and bar
[21:25:24] <Bryan>	does anybody have an opinion on whether the parameter to add an xml style sheet to the api out should be called xsl or xslt ?
[21:27:59] <reedy>	roan might ;)
[21:32:49] <Forrester>	Anyone of you here runs a wiki of his own??
[21:38:04] <CIA-58>	03btongminh * r53194 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiFormatXml.php): (bug 19528) Added XSLT parameter to API queries in format=xml
[21:38:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:38:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Categorymembers namespace filter broken in miser mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:40:10] <CIA-58>	03btongminh * r53195 10/trunk/phase3/includes/RawPage.php: Add the 403 fix from r49833 to RawPage as well.
[21:46:07] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Extend cascading protection to shared media repositories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19625  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:47:24] <Annemarie>	Wiki sovereignty? 
[21:47:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Headers are missing on Special:Log pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19596  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:56:37] <CIA-58>	03btongminh * r53196 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/db/DatabaseSqlite.php): (bug 19571) Override buildConcat for SQLite.
[21:57:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Unsupported CONCAT() used for Sqlite database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19571  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[22:00:46] *Emufarmers 	pokes brion
[22:00:55] <brion>	?
[22:01:10] <Emufarmers>	Did you see the wikitech-l thread about FlaggedRevs for MW.org?
[22:01:22] <brion>	might have seen one recently. haven't caught up on list yet
[22:01:23] <Kfir>	Is there an alternative to this extension? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryCloud 
[22:01:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) is_khtml can be triggered by Chrome with <!DOCTYPE html> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19557  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[22:01:35] <Kfir>	I can't get it to work so i'm looking for something else
[22:04:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) prop=info&inprop=watched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19523  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[22:06:02] <Kfir>	any ideas?
[22:09:24] <Simetrical>	werdna, would you be willing to help out here?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Requested_adjustments_to_Main_Page_HTML
[22:09:32] <infinisoft>	Is there a way to remove the default edit buttons via a user script/CSS?
[22:09:41] <Simetrical>	Test in a few browsers and roll out if it looks pixel-perfect?
[22:09:47] <Simetrical>	infinisoft, what default edit buttons?
[22:10:17] <infinisoft>	A user wants to be able to add these, but remove the existing ones too: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Custom_edit_buttons
[22:10:18] <reedy>	!maxlag
[22:10:18] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Maxlag_parameter
[22:11:14] <infinisoft>	Simetrical: the bold, italicise, underlink, etc. buttons when editing.
[22:11:30] <Simetrical>	Oh, I know nothing about those.
[22:11:36] <Simetrical>	Should be possible in theory, I guess.
[22:14:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) is_khtml can be triggered by Chrome with <!DOCTYPE html> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19557  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:14:56] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53197 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/SkinTemplate.php skins/Vector.php): Moved buildNavigationUrls back into Vector to make deployment more sane for now - this action will likely be reversed in the future when head is deployable.
[22:17:40] <CIA-58>	03brion * r53198 10/branches/wmf-deployment/: Going ahead and making a deployment branch so we have some shared idea of wtf we're working with live. Branching from trunk at r52088.
[22:18:41] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53199 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Resolved some link coloring issues in the navigation tabs. Regenerated the RTL stylesheet using cssjanus. Made comments more logical for this type of operation.
[22:21:02] <CIA-58>	03brion * r53200 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/: dropping default empty extensions, to fill in with all the goodies :D
[22:21:15] <CIA-58>	03brion * r53201 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/: Going ahead and making a deployment branch so we have some shared idea of wtf we're working with live. Branching extensions from trunk at r52088.
[22:21:50] <infinisoft>	Figured it out I think, I did addOnloadHook(function() { mwEditButtons = new Array(); });
[22:36:11] <reedy>	Is there any more information on maxlag than whats on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Maxlag_parameter /
[22:38:42] <CIA-58>	03yaron * r53202 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_Category.php: Added "clear: both" to bottom of category display
[22:42:47] <brion>	ok, running a script to double-check the version number on all the checked-out files in our current deployment...
[22:49:00] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53203 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Vector.php: Fixed bug caused in r52944 - where the inclusion of csshover.htc was lost in the move towards $wgOut->headElement(). Also, simplified the LTR/RTL inclusion - bringing the logic into the output page object.
[22:49:01] <werdna>	brion: Now all you need is an equivalent of git cherry-pick for svn.
[22:49:04] <werdna>	Or... to use git :DD
[22:49:11] <brion>	:D
[22:49:21] <werdna>	or hg or whatever
[22:49:39] <werdna>	Simetrical: 22:09 #mediawiki: < Simetrical> werdna, would you be willing to help out here?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Requested_adjustments_to_Main_Page_HTML
[22:49:43] <werdna>	are you not an enwiki admin?
[22:49:46] <brion>	yeah i'm thinkin of just going ahead and setting something up :)
[22:49:47] <Simetrical>	werdna, no.
[22:49:52] <werdna>	lame
[22:50:07] <Simetrical>	I'll probably apply again at some point.
[22:50:14] <Simetrical>	Every once in a while something like this comes up where it would be handy.
[22:50:15] <werdna>	brion: We'd have to figure out how to drive whatever you set up :P
[22:50:17] <werdna>	git confuses me
[22:50:24] <werdna>	Simetrical: good luck dude, seriously
[22:50:35] <werdna>	maybe we could quietly pretend that you've always been an admin ;)
[22:51:16] <brion>	i managed to pull a copy of laconica via git and make some patches
[22:51:32] <brion>	but when i copy-pasted the sample command line it got confused and told me i was working on a non-existent branch
[22:51:35] <brion>	and now refuses to pull updates
[22:51:40] *werdna 	INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user,ug_group) SELECT user_id,'sysop' FROM user where user_name='Simetrical'
[22:51:43] *werdna 	whistles
[22:51:44] <werdna>	brion: yay?
[22:51:45] <brion>	plus, the ubuntu package "git" doesn't actually install useful commands
[22:51:56] <brion>	you have to figure out that "git" is in "git-core"
[22:51:56] <werdna>	I can possibly help out, but perhaps not at 11:50pm :)
[22:52:04] <werdna>	yeah, that's lame
[22:52:17] <Simetrical>	I don't know why they do that.
[22:52:20] <Simetrical>	But yeah.
[22:52:27] <werdna>	Because they hate users?
[22:52:47] <Simetrical>	Maybe it's some weird historical thing.
[22:52:56] <Simetrical>	If you type "git" it will tell you which package you need, though.
[22:54:20] <werdna>	brion: if you want git for OS X, use macports
[22:54:25] <werdna>	I trust you have macports :)
[22:54:46] <brion>	:)
[22:55:02] <Simetrical>	werdna, so are you going to help out with the Main Page fixes?
[22:55:42] <werdna>	brion: so does a new branch mean that we'll either 1/ Be more liberal about live-merging code that's obviously okay; 2/ Do updates incrementally as code is reviewed, rather than in one big go that's prone to lots of errors?
[22:56:00] <werdna>	Simetrical: not at midnight
[22:56:04] <Simetrical>	werdna, slacker.
[22:56:11] <werdna>	Send me an email and I'll do it when I'm up tomorrow :D
[22:56:49] <werdna>	s/live-merging/deploying/
[22:57:18] <Simetrical>	werdna, sent to andrew@epstone.net.
[22:57:23] <brion>	werdna: probably go a little more incrementally
[22:57:30] <brion>	but mainly i just want to know what the fuck is in there NOW
[22:57:38] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53204 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Added more instructions to the comments to do with cssjanus.
[22:57:43] <werdna>	yeah, that's fair enough
[23:00:06] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53205 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.css: Fixed RTL alignment issues.
[23:06:19] *brion 	installs an updated subversion client dum de dum de dum
[23:15:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) E-mail notification (ENotif) user options are shown in preferences even when ENotif is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19700 major; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (mail)
[23:19:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) E-mail notification (ENotif) user options are shown in preferences even when ENotif is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19700  (10brion)
[23:23:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) E-mail notification (ENotif) user options are shown in preferences even when ENotif is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19700  (10mail)
[23:29:58] <brion>	glee!
[23:37:20] <brion>	:(
[23:37:20] <brion>	http://pastebin.com/m2ec15e73
[23:37:38] <brion>	svn merge is for some reason gettin confused i think about past renames that are unrelated to what i'm currently merging
[23:37:38] <brion>	wtf?
[23:37:40] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) E-mail notification (ENotif) user options are shown in preferences even when ENotif is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19700  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:37:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgEnotifWatchlist disabled, but option available on preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19468  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:38:33] *reedy 	hands brion a hammer
[23:38:40] <^demon>	brion: Any change we can get r52762 merged? It was a regression with the preferences rewrite, and I've already got 2 dupes.
[23:38:57] <brion>	^demon: ask me again when i'm done replicating the current state of deployment
[23:39:07] <^demon>	Will do.
[23:39:12] <CIA-58>	03tparscal * r53206 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/images/ (insert-signature.png png24/insert-signature.png): New signature icon.
[23:42:53] <CIA-58>	03brion * r53207 10/branches/wmf-deployment/ (109 files in 21 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:42:53] <CIA-58>	Merge things that have been 'svn up'ed in the live deployment.
[23:42:53] <CIA-58>	Roughly:
[23:42:53] <CIA-58>	svn merge svn+ssh://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs@52092
[23:42:53] <CIA-58>	svn merge svn+ssh://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Collection@52290
[23:42:56] <CIA-58>	svn merge svn+ssh://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/MWSearch/MWSearch_body.php@52665
[23:42:58] <CIA-58>	svn merge svn+ssh://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi@52346
[23:50:25] <CIA-58>	03brion * r53208 10/branches/wmf-deployment/ (34 files in 20 dirs): Apply live hacks, local merges, and removal of SVN externals -- all copied from live deployment installation today. Whee!
[23:58:20] *^demon 	wonders if brion replicated