[00:00:37] *Reedy wonders what the best way to proceed is [00:04:02] <^demon> Simetrical: Border seems ok still in HTML4. No mention at all in HTML5. So it went from ok to not ok with no point of being deprecated? [00:04:47] ^demon, well, HTML 5 avoids the idea of deprecation. Deprecation is pointless, authors will just use deprecated features forever. Instead, it just specifies some features that user agents must support, but authors must not use. [00:05:05] Anyway, its removal is in line with the general principle of separation of style and content. [00:05:09] It's removed in XHTML 2.0 too. [00:05:13] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?&pathrev=53282&r1=53281&r2=53282 -- now that looks a bit funky [00:05:22] <^demon> Simetrical: Seems removed in XHTML 1 and 2 afaict. [00:05:35] ^demon, it's in XHTML 1. [00:05:53] ashley: did not mean to remove your html5 thingy... [00:06:03] <^demon> Simetrical: I couldn't find it. [00:06:09] ^demon, look in the DTD. [00:06:13] It's in both Transitional and Strict. [00:06:20] I'm coming up with quotes for him, anyway. [00:07:08] Isn't this an awesome accessibility guideline? http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#seizure [00:07:17] Does Special:Collection limit how many pages you can output? [00:07:51] <^demon> Simetrical: Gotcha. [00:07:52] mdale: heh, not mine, but still shouldn't have been removed :) [00:08:00] yea.. merge messed up,... [00:08:17] wtf? [00:08:34] Yeah, fix that please. :P [00:08:36] ...fixing... [00:09:26] ...svn server is acting a bit slow... [00:10:02] 03(WONTFIX) Add border="1" to tables, not just their stylesheets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18829 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:10:04] Wow, WCAG is remarkably unreadable even for a W3C standard. [00:11:26] <^demon> Simetrical: "I'm coming up with quotes for him" -> you're going to reply to the bug? [00:11:38] ^demon, scroll up. [00:12:04] <^demon> Somehow I missed that. [00:13:04] x:-moz-any-link [00:13:09] What the heck is that supposed to do? [00:13:36] *Simetrical thinks vector/main-ltr.css looks pretty dodgy. [00:13:47] Now, you can say what you like about Gabriel Wicke, but he sure knew CSS. [00:14:24] <^demon> Simetrical: Why not just main.css + rtl.css like we usually do? [00:14:44] Well, this way makes more sense, kind of. You're only serving one CSS file. [00:14:51] The -rtl one is apparently generated by a script. [00:14:51] 03(mod) Optional special page listing boilerplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19433 +comment (10alfred.maghi) [00:15:01] Which hopefully is more workable than it sounds. :) [00:15:39] <^demon> Who knows. [00:17:43] 03(NEW) Create strategy.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19724 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (eekim) [00:18:51] 03(mod) Create strategy.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19724 +shell; +comment (10innocentkiller) [00:18:52] Okay, r53282 is 87,212 lines changed. [00:19:00] I really wish that was a mistake in my use of wc -l. [00:19:47] Okay, a lot of that seems to be jQuery. [00:19:54] yea and jquery ui [00:20:08] a few libraries for doing image and video special effects in javascript... [00:20:23] ^demon: Umm, +shell is for reasonable shell requests... [00:20:37] Are you sure that's an authorized wiki? [00:20:50] mdale, do you not have autoprops set? It seems like some of your files don't have eol-style:native. [00:20:58] hmm [00:21:05] I don't think I do... [00:21:13] <^demon> Annemarie: +shell is for all requests that require shell :p [00:21:33] <^demon> And I'm pretty sure it is. That's the newly hired strategy guy [00:21:39] There's also lots of trailing whitespace. [00:21:42] Ah, k. [00:21:53] git helpfully highlights that bright red in diffs if you have diff coloring enabled. :D [00:21:58] 03(mod) Optional special page listing boilerplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19433 +comment (10alfred.maghi) [00:22:07] Is the trunk for test.wiki being updated today to allow the new upload api? [00:22:28] Duduman.. not likely ... [00:22:43] this week? month? [00:22:50] You also have some BOMs. [00:23:15] Like in, uh, js2/mwEmbed/jquery/jquery.ui-1.7.1/AUTHORS.txt. That has a BOM. Although that's a .txt, I guess it's okay. [00:23:48] BOMs in .php files are bad. [00:24:29] yay, now get weird messages running the update script [00:25:23] *^demon stabs FiveUpgrade and TableCleanup [00:26:31] the warning about increasing memory to a very large number and "attacker 'REMOTE_ADDR not set" a known problem? Didn't used to get it. [00:28:00] <^demon> OverlordQ: REMOTE_ADDR might be my fault. I'll check that out. [00:28:14] ALERT - script tried to increase memory_limit to 4294967295 bytes which is above the allowed value (attacker 'REMOTE_ADDR not set', file '/var/www/somesite.com/wiki/maintenance/commandLine.inc', line 241) is the full line [00:33:24] meh, prolly config issue rather I think [00:35:10] <^demon> mdale: You just made grepping all of phase3 much longer :p [00:35:17] brion, you can only embed MathML/SVG in XHTML 1 if you're willing to serve it with an XML doctype. Which we probably aren't, since a minor bug would make pages refuse to load. [00:36:19] brion, also, "we already do normalization of input HTML fragments" -- I'm talking about things like , cellpadding, whatever. All invalid in HTML 5. Automatically translating all of those to style could be very tricky in a lot of cases. [00:36:25] heh [00:36:39] ^demon: Yea, it's config issue, it's the suoshin patch [00:36:55] *suhosin [00:37:01] [translation of deprecated elements/attribs] not super tricky i think, but yeah. that's been in the "consider for future" since early days [00:37:13] would have been needed for xhtml 2 or 1.1 strict as well :) [00:37:47] Well, some are actually pretty tricky. [00:38:01] Things like cellspacing are a pain to translate automatically. [00:38:41] And a lot of it has weird special behavior. Click here -> red link. Click here -> blue link. [00:38:53] Since it wasn't originally defined in terms of CSS. [00:39:35] <^demon> OverlordQ: Alrighty [00:43:21] mdale, are you working on fixing the merge errors right now? [00:43:38] default settings should be updated.. [00:43:44] mdale: if you enable the JS2 system the 'please install firefogg' dialog pushes (a file on your computer) down to right above the remote upload field instead of at the end of the local file upload line [00:43:49] hrm that doesn't sound right [00:43:52] mdale, there were a whole bunch of other errors. [00:43:57] I noted some on CodeReview. [00:44:19] There are probably more. [00:44:24] yea... [00:44:29] It looks like every file you touched that had recent changes got affected. [00:45:07] Simetrical: i get a blue link for both of those [00:45:13] which matches my expectation [00:45:14] brion, really? Hmm. [00:45:15] [tested in FF 3.5] [00:46:02] Yeah, me too. [00:46:17] Okay, but some of the stuff like table attributes are still a pain. [00:46:23] 04(REOPENED) Add 'confirmed' group to enwiki & commonswiki providing the 'autoconfirmed' permissions, which can be manually assigned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19611 +comment (10xenowiki) [00:46:31] They require style to be copied to all table cells, etc. [00:46:39] :) yeah [00:46:42] :P [00:46:47] eff you html you sock [00:47:01] ok i'm gonna pack up and head home for now [00:47:15] 03(mod) Add 'confirmed' group to enwiki & commonswiki providing the 'autoconfirmed' permissions, which can be manually assigned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19611 (10rjd0060.wiki) [00:49:08] You know, I appreciate all the security issues, etc. with using SSIDs for ID. But I have to say, they've got one thing going for them: I actually remember mine. [00:49:16] awww, pretty new remote uploads dont work :( [00:49:38] *Simetrical is probably going to have to end up memorizing his eight-digit NYU ID. [00:56:14] 03ashley * r53284 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [00:56:14] follow-up to r53282: [00:56:14] *coding style tweaks [00:56:14] *added __METHOD__ to some wfDebug calls [00:56:14] *removed php ending tag from mwScriptLoader.php [00:56:14] *some doxygen docs added [01:00:34] *^demon hates patches that involve space changes [01:01:23] blame -w, diff -w [01:01:50] Wait, does svn blame have -w? [01:01:53] Yes, yes it does. [01:02:15] Hmm, I think it's svn blame -x -w or something. [01:02:27] 03dale * r53285 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 5 dirs): some merge fixes per comments on r53282 [01:02:27] Or blame -x -uw. [01:09:22] 03(mod) extension to list pages with the most revisors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19632 +comment (10alfred.maghi) [01:29:59] How can I make it so people need to login to read any pages? [01:33:45] !prevacc | foo [01:33:45] --mwbot-- foo: For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [01:34:55] thanks mwbot [01:35:00] for helping Simetrical [01:35:01] :) [01:43:58] hi *, just installed mediawiki at work for my company's engineering team. [01:44:22] I'm running into a problem when people try saving their preferences. [01:44:35] in the logs it reports that it cannot find Mail.php [01:45:02] is this an add-on to php, or is this supposed to come from MediaWiki? [01:45:08] 03(mod) add revision suppression UI on deleted revision page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18725 +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [01:46:40] <^demon> greeneg_: Mail.php is part of PEAR's Mail package. Check to see if you have that installed in Pear. [01:47:00] Thanks ^demon [01:47:03] greeneg_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Configuration_settings#Email_settings [01:47:15] <^demon> np. [01:48:05] greeneg_: also http://chris.brandlehner.at/Brandlehner/cab_blog.nsf/d6plinks/DOMO-6KJH4T [01:55:13] 03(NEW) Suppressed edits still appear in Special:DeletedContributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19725 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (mike.lifeguard) [01:55:14] 03(mod) RevDelete/HideUser (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18840 (10mike.lifeguard) [01:55:21] 03(mod) add revision suppression UI on deleted revision page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18725 (10mike.lifeguard) [01:55:26] 03(mod) RevDelete/HideUser (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18840 (10mike.lifeguard) [01:58:02] 03(NEW) Missing schema updates prevent file uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19726 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (overlordq) [01:58:04] 03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384 (10overlordq) [02:03:36] 03demon * r53286 10/trunk/phase3/ (11 files in 8 dirs): (bug 16497) Paginate Special:AllMessages [02:04:15] Finally! [02:04:21] *chuck bows down [02:04:27] Its about time [02:04:39] 03(FIXED) Paginate Special:AllMessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16497 +comment (10innocentkiller) [02:04:40] *Radon throws chuck out windows [02:10:03] 03(NEW) FileDeleteForm calling OutputPage::addReturnTo incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19727 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (overlordq) [02:21:09] 03(NEW) UploadBase outputting debugging to page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19728 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (overlordq) [02:22:48] *OverlordQ wonders how much more wikibugs spam he can generate [02:34:18] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/ConfirmEdit [02:34:25] Can anyone confirm that that times out? [02:34:48] i'm specifically trying the 1.14 version, but none seem to work [02:35:52] someone should just rename that extension to ExtensionDistributorNazi ... "No TagSoup for you!" [02:36:10] fails that often? [02:37:36] it sure gets mentioned a lot here and in -tech as not being optimal [02:37:51] I have been working on bug 16165 for quite awhile. Recently, it's been expanded again to include a show/hide button. MikeLifeguard noted that I will need oversight permissionon a wiki to test it. Can anyone here arrange this? [02:38:03] weee!, another one [02:38:09] Jinx: problems were reported earlier today [02:38:23] superm401: wouldn't it be easier to just run your own installation of mw? [02:38:52] No. I have done so in the past, but it's clearly not easier for me. [02:39:15] And hopefully togging my oversight bit (e.g. on testwiki) isn't too hard for someone else. [02:39:28] Prodego: should i wait it out? or try to find a 1.14 compatible revision on the svn? [02:39:37] I don't know if they can give you that without identifying to the foundation superm401 [02:40:04] Jinx: I do not know, whatever you think [02:40:05] I'm a admin on en Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Superm401) and my name is public. [02:40:07] superm401: no, you can't have oversight on Wikimedia servers to test the bug [02:40:26] however, there are other test wikis [02:40:30] perhaps one of those [02:40:40] I still think it would be easier for you to run your own installation [02:40:57] Not even test.wikipedia.org ? [02:40:59] it'd be very easy [02:41:20] you could maybe have /sysop/ on testwiki to test it - ask a 'crat there [02:41:29] you don't need oversight, just sysop [02:41:40] although... let's see if testwiki is setup right... [02:41:54] Mike, you said in your email I would need oversight. Also, I have sysop on en, but don't see it. [02:41:56] but it is better to test it on your own install, where there aren't 8 zillion other extentions [02:41:56] yes, it is [02:42:07] oh bull, I was a steward twice without identifying to the foundation, it's easier than ya think [02:42:09] and you can tweak all the config paramaters [02:42:09] nah, it's trivial [02:42:11] *Splarka snickers [02:42:17] he doesn't need to tweak anything [02:42:31] Mike_lifeguard: you might want to to test things [02:42:50] Can someone at least explain what rights I would actually need, on test.wikipedia.org or otherwise, to test this? [02:42:50] superm401: not sure I recall exactly what I said, but on *testwiki* you only need sysop (on the other wikis you'd need oversight) [02:43:01] 03(NEW) Article::showPatrolFooter fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19729 major; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (overlordq) [02:43:08] superm401: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights [02:43:14] they're setup differently - revision deletion isn't available to sysops on our main wikis (brion only knows why) [02:43:22] * Delete and undelete specific revisions of pages (deleterevision) [02:43:23] Okay, so can I get sysop on testwiki? [02:43:56] compare to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights where it isn't enabled for sissies [02:44:12] Splarka: or anywhere else, for non-sissies :| [02:44:30] same for file moves, maybe brion can enable both [02:44:40] superm401: I don't see why not, just need to ask a 'crat ... they have a request page on testwiki [02:44:42] they in fact had the same bug concerning missing physical files [02:44:46] (IIRC) [02:45:00] superm401: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests [02:45:06] Thanks, Mike. I'll try that. [02:45:29] Splarka: hopefully... but I haven't heard that brion's going to turn on revision deletion for sysops & I /have/ heard he's going to turn on file moving [02:45:58] kinda silly [02:46:13] deleted revs have been around since like 1.10 or something crazy [02:46:32] with the intent of easing burden on oversighters for more trivial suppression [02:47:00] exactly [02:47:17] but I usually avoid using the word "silly" to brion's face :D [02:49:44] *Splarka walks up and writes it on his face with a sharpie [02:49:46] btw, this guy should be blocked if you see them using other accounts... serial vandal, troll etc: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=75750&oldid=74544 [02:50:04] they sometimes come in irc too [02:50:34] as? [02:50:59] http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=%3Dp.s.a.%3D [02:52:26] Okay, I've requested sysop at test wikipedia (http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests/Permissions/Superm401). If anyone can nudge this along, I'd appreciate it. [02:55:52] Splarka: no, the account there was Sunwell5 [03:10:38] 03(mod) Deleted page still need to patrol - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19389 (10xu.jimmy.wrk) [03:20:14] I dont suppose anybody know anything about ebugging suhosin problems? [03:20:23] *debugging [03:43:06] Jinx: it seems to be working now [03:47:31] 14(INVALID) Cite button doesn't escape embedded []s - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19518 +comment (10mrzmanwiki) [03:54:21] Prodego: still now? [03:54:25] it isn't working for me right now [03:54:33] "Unable to contact remote subversion client." [03:55:05] hmm, it worked for me once, but I am getting that now too [04:03:18] 03(mod) Categorymembers namespace filter broken in miser mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640 (10b-jorsch) [04:09:07] 03(NEW) Feature request: List Page Watchers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19730 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (JKBrooks85) [04:18:31] 03rememberthedot * r53287 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImageGallery.php: Applied image attribute improvements from r52726 to galleries as well [04:19:53] 03rememberthedot * r53288 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/citeParserTests.txt: Updated parser test for r52726 and r53287 [04:22:22] Is there a setting for the default edit box width? [04:23:24] probably [04:26:28] probably have to do it through $wgDefaultUserOptions [04:28:35] Ok, found it there, thanks :) [04:38:57] 14(DUP) Feature request: List Page Watchers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19730 +comment (10herd) [04:38:59] 03(mod) Special page to show who is watching an article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4524 +comment (10herd) [04:40:56] lol [04:40:58] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640 [04:57:28] Tim-away: ExtensionDistributor doesn't seem to be working [04:58:39] *Emufarmers tries to decide whether this should be filed under Wikimedia or extensions->ExtensionDistributor [04:58:51] domas: who is in charge of ExtensionDistributor? [04:59:00] people have been complaining all day [04:59:09] definitely not me! [04:59:13] Prodego: Tim is. That's why I'm bugging him. :) [04:59:22] So it is Tim :) [05:07:50] Emufarmers: i just normally file it under the extenstion [05:08:15] p858snake: eh, I was going with Wikimedia: it's not the extension that's broken, after all. :) [05:09:25] well i've had one in each so either should word [05:09:27] *work [05:10:54] 03rememberthedot * r53289 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/common/shared.css): [05:10:54] Added popular colored watchlist numbers, which make probable deletion vandalism [05:10:54] stand out more, to MediaWiki itself for all to enjoy. The idea originated from [05:10:54] Mets501 of the English Wikipedia in December 2006, and has since spread to the [05:10:54] Japanese, French, Polish, Russian, and Portuguese Wikipedias. Most likely it has [05:10:57] been copied to some smaller projects also which I have not checked, but in any [05:10:59] case it is a feature worth having by default. [05:11:59] you can probably just reopen Bug #17646 if you want [05:13:39] p858snake: but it's actually a different error [05:17:52] Though Tim has already been pinged on here for it anyway; he seems to have been gone for a while :( [05:25:07] 03(NEW) Drafts created before saving the article are not listed in Edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19731 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [05:33:46] 03(NEW) Page summary is displayed in page edit window - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19732 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [05:40:54] avar: can you beat some sense into them? [05:45:21] 03(NEW) ExtensionDistributor is "Unable to contact remote subversion client." - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19733 major; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (Emufarmers) [05:48:20] 03(NEW) Previous drafts are not listed when a page is restored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19734 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [05:50:28] lol [05:54:30] 03(mod) Previous drafts are not listed when a page is restored - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19734 (10janesh) [05:55:07] ugga [06:13:26] demon!!! [06:13:29] aww crap [06:18:13] 03(NEW) Drafts' saved time is not displayed when a draft is saved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19735 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [06:20:16] 03(NEW) JS2 remote upload links to wrong location - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19736 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (overlordq) [06:27:05] 03nikerabbit * r53290 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialAllmessages.php: Add hidden title, would otherwise go to the main page with ugly urls for some reason [06:30:48] I have this error on my own wiki, what can I do? (SQL query hidden) from within function "". MySQL returned error "1104: The SELECT would examine more than MAX_JOIN_SIZE rows; check your WHERE and use SET SQL_BIG_SELECTS=1 or SET SQL_MAX_JOIN_SIZE=# if the SELECT is okay (localhost)". [06:30:54] Nikerabbit: &curid used to do that too, it required &title= but absolutely ignored anything put there [06:31:18] well [06:31:28] 03raymond * r53291 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (6 files): Revert part of r53282 due to merge out of sync [06:31:37] and I believe oldid used to long ago (like maybe 1.5?) [06:31:39] the action in the form is escapeLocalUrl() [06:31:57] for some reason the title is dropped out from that? maybe browser specific [06:32:08] ahh, huh [06:32:24] maybe it happens switching between short and ugly URLs [06:32:30] this looks like a patch from someone else than demon... he usually writes better code [06:32:37] /Special:Allmessages vs index.php?title=Special:Allmessages [06:32:41] Splarka: I was not using short urls in my test wiki [06:32:46] 03(mod) Categorymembers namespace filter broken in miser mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640 +comment (10domas.mituzas) [06:32:56] even weirder then [06:33:04] ooh [06:33:10] *Splarka gets popcorn, goes to look at that [06:34:17] aww, domas, you were too polite [06:36:39] 03raymond * r53292 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Follow-up r53282: Add new message keys to maintenance script [06:43:56] 03nikerabbit * r53293 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (OutputPage.php SkinTemplate.php): Couple of issues in r53270: use accessor method and keep the function signature bc [06:48:25] OverlordQ: does that fix your bug too? [06:50:27] hi Duesentrieb [06:50:34] moin [06:51:21] trunk seems very unstable at the moment [06:52:37] 03(NEW) A draft is saved when there is no content in the article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19737 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [06:53:16] hey, what is wrong with empty draft [06:55:10] good that we a good tester for drafts.. no if only someone would also fix those bugs [06:59:47] Nikerabbit: lemme look [07:02:41] appears to [07:06:04] 03ashley * r53294 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (7 files in 5 dirs): coding style cleanup for new files in js2 folder [07:06:44] 03(NEW) Draft created once when 'Preview', 'Show Changes' are clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19738 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [07:08:29] 03raymond * r53295 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaMessages.i18n.php: [07:08:29] * Add new group 'confirmed' per bug 19611 [07:08:29] * Sort this section by alphabet [07:13:27] 03(FIXED) FileDeleteForm calling OutputPage::addReturnTo incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19727 +comment (10overlordq) [07:27:12] 03(NEW) Dedicated textarea for ... block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19739 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (bugs) [07:27:27] 03(mod) Dedicated textarea for ... block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19739 (10bugs) [07:27:30] 03(mod) Greater flexibility with references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997 (10bugs) [07:38:32] 03nikerabbit * r53296 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (HttpFunctions.php specials/SpecialUpload.php): Only whitespace changes [07:57:47] 03(NEW) 'Save Draft' button is not enabled when external editor is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19740 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [08:08:08] 03raymond * r53297 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [08:08:08] * Tweak message keys to be consistent [08:08:08] * Add extension to translatewiki.net [08:27:18] lot to fix in that patch [08:27:22] allo [08:27:24] *Nikerabbit kicks wikibugs [08:28:33] anyone got a link for a full reference of wiki markup off the top of their head? [08:29:25] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain [08:29:37] ty [08:29:41] heh [08:29:51] another happy customer :) [08:30:05] well, the point is, it is way too easy to extend markup [08:30:28] especially by registering parser functions and parser tag extensions, and/or creating templates [08:30:41] or arbitrary text replacement rules [08:30:55] not to mention the vast amount of whitelisted HTML-ish tags [08:31:47] silentNinja: here are the very very basics: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting [08:32:02] i was thinking more of the Help:Editting / help:formatting stuff :p [08:32:05] thanks though [08:32:30] good to check through the parser though to get an understanding of how it works [08:32:35] after that: templates, wikitables, parser functions, parser tags [08:33:21] core magic words, html tags, css/js, various linking tricks like images/interwiki/category [08:35:09] just want a sorta basic ref to send out [08:35:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet [08:35:11] :p [09:38:21] 03catrope * r53298 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (postgres/tables.sql updaters.inc): (bug 19726) Missing schema updates break file uploads for Postgres. Patch by OverlordQ [09:38:30] Hi [09:38:34] 03(FIXED) Missing schema updates prevent file uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19726 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [09:39:52] 03ialex * r53299 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SpecialPage.php specials/SpecialUpload.php): [09:39:52] * remove wfSpecialUpload() since UploadForm now extends SpecialPage [09:39:52] * fix E_STRICT declaration of UploadForm::execute() should be compatible with SpecialPage::execute() [09:39:56] Does anyone know the name of the plugin which add the keyboard of local characters to the editor? [09:40:19] 03catrope * r53300 10/trunk/phase3/includes/upload/UploadBase.php: (bug 19728) Use wfDebug() instead of print for debugging in UploadBase.php . Patch by OverlordQ [09:40:32] 03(FIXED) UploadBase outputting debugging to page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19728 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [09:40:45] RoanKattouw: be sure to comment on codereview too what is fixed [09:40:59] I didn't see any CR comments about these [09:41:23] If you did, could you give me the rev numbers? [09:41:23] RoanKattouw: at least about the E_STRICT I commented [09:41:44] RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53282#code-comments [09:41:48] 03purodha * r53301 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Message grammar fixed + detail added. [09:41:49] Raymond_: I didn't fix any E_STRCIT, ialex did [09:41:51] there is the debug issue at least [09:42:22] RoanKattouw: oh sorry. right *hides* [09:42:44] Does anyone know the name of the plugin which add the keyboard of local characters to the editor? [09:43:07] like śćźż? :) [09:44:03] !charinsert | Elektryk91 [09:44:03] --mwbot-- Elektryk91: CharInsert is an extension that enables the creation of JavaScript links which, when clicked, insert predefined text into the text box. These links are usually used in the "MediaWiki:Edittools" interface message. For more information, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert >; for example usage, see < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools >. [09:44:40] thanks :) [09:48:39] 03catrope * r53302 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: (bug 19729) Fix fatal in Article::showPatrolFooter() [09:48:46] 03(mod) Optional special page listing boilerplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19433 (10niklas.laxstrom) [09:48:47] 03(FIXED) Article::showPatrolFooter fatal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19729 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [09:49:07] shame on you wikibugs [09:50:01] 03ialex * r53303 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: fixed encoding issues from r53285 [09:50:12] why loading the download page takes so much time? [09:50:35] Elektryk91: download it directly from svn if you can [09:51:38] what is SVN? [09:51:56] subversion [09:52:30] oh f....k [09:52:39] ok, i see, thanks [09:53:10] trunk is in horrible state, extension distributor still unfixed, what a wonderful day to have a headache [09:55:44] hi yannf [09:56:01] hi Nikerabbit [09:56:49] fyi: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/14/1813200/YouTube-Phasing-Out-Support-For-IE6?art_pos=12 [10:00:53] Yeah, couple of big changes in the last 24h [10:07:25] 03catrope * r53304 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryCategoryMembers.php: (bug 19640) API: Unbreak cmnamespace in miser mode by filtering on the PHP side. This is a dirty, temporary hack that'll have to do until we can do this properly on the database side. [10:08:31] Does anyone have on disk CharInsert plugin for v1.14? [10:08:44] 03(mod) Categorymembers namespace filter broken in miser mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [10:09:11] heh [10:09:20] bad roan [10:09:32] bad Splarka [10:09:37] Elektryk91: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/tags/REL1_14_1/extensions/CharInsert/ [10:09:53] I keep forgetting mentioning patch authors in the commit summary [10:10:00] This is the second one today [10:10:44] RoanKattouw: do a second commit and put into release notes to the patch authors section [10:10:54] They're already in there [10:10:59] hmm [10:11:00] too bad [10:11:09] What I meant was "Patch by Brad Jorsch" in the actual summary [10:15:44] thanks, it works! :) [10:19:20] baaad roan [10:23:09] 03catrope * r53305 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SkinTemplate.php: Fix encoding issue in r53270 [10:33:25] 03(mod) parserTests.php fails when l10n_cache is populated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19574 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [10:35:39] 03ialex * r53306 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: fix for r53282: split() -> explode() the former is part of POSIX regex and is deprecated since PHP 5.3 [10:37:19] RoanKattouw: were my changes to that feature ok? [10:37:32] I think so [10:37:59] *RoanKattouw looks [10:38:12] Yeah r53293 looks sane [10:41:24] 03(NEW) Large files being distributed with MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19741 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (jidanni) [10:55:22] 03(NEW) Draft is not created as caption is changed to 'Saved' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19742 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [11:05:35] 03(NEW) Count shall be refreshed when a draft is Saved in Preview window - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19743 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [11:17:50] 03(NEW) 'Save Draft' button is not enabled when text is droped to Edit area - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19744 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [11:23:41] 03shinjiman * r53307 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese [11:29:28] 03catrope * r53308 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt: (log message trimmed) [11:29:28] Fix parser tests for r52213. [11:29:28] 6 previously failing test(s) now PASSING! :) [11:29:28] * Section headings with TOC [Fixed between 15-Jul-2009 10:33:29, 1.16alpha(r53297) and now] [11:29:28] * Handling of sections up to level 6 and beyond [Fixed between 15-Jul-2009 10:33:29, 1.16alpha(r53297) and now] [11:29:32] * TOC regression (bug 9764) [Fixed between 15-Jul-2009 10:33:29, 1.16alpha(r53297) and now] [11:29:34] * TOC regression (bug 12077) [Fixed between 15-Jul-2009 10:33:29, 1.16alpha(r53297) and now] [11:43:07] 03(NEW) Default set Minor edit is always checked for unchecked too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19745 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [11:48:29] 03demon * r53309 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialAllmessages.php: Followup to r53286: Fix trailing whitespace. [12:21:46] I have a problem with a returning 404 on a custom namespace [12:22:10] is there a command to bypass this 404, although no article exists in DB [12:23:24] Recomend any spam prevention plugins?, I just got owned.. Normaly I can handle it. [12:25:01] aww, bumby ride [12:25:47] PHP_Adam: there are many, try to pick one that suits you [12:26:07] any tips.. http://zend.codephp.co.uk/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges .. seems to be the same spammer all the time. [12:26:59] slow server... [12:27:25] 1&1 shared hosting mate. Unfortuantly had to downgrade from vps. [12:27:25] Boudewijn: What problem is the 404 causing? [12:27:27] you could try username blacklist and captcha for registration [12:28:15] captcha for registration sounds the key!.. Thanks for advice [12:28:18] PHP_Adam: Install ConfirmEdit for CAPTCHA on registration [12:28:25] !e ConfirmEdit [12:28:25] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit [12:29:00] *PHP_Adam logs into ftp.. ty! [12:31:12] Roan, I see the error within Yslow [12:31:27] What's Yslow? [12:31:35] the fact is that I am creating custom userarea in custom namespace [12:31:44] no articles are created for this purpose... [12:31:55] That shouldn't matter; whenever to go to a page that doesn't exist, you get a 404 [12:32:18] within OutputPageBeforeHTML I call this custom userara. [12:32:33] so page is displayed...but Yslow gives 404... [12:32:48] Yslow is a extension by Yahoo for Firefox [12:32:50] So basically you're faking these pages? [12:32:53] yes [12:33:25] Boudewijn: In that OutputPage hook, do $out->setStatusCode(200); [12:34:17] works! [12:34:20] thanx! [12:35:05] (hope this will help me continue in my optimization quest) [12:39:01] is wgEnableMWSuggest broken? [12:47:51] how in earth can one debug such [12:48:16] Firebug? LiveHTTPHeaders? [12:48:22] Depends on how it's broken [12:49:15] 03(FIXED) LiquidThreads showing the viewer ip instead of the author one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19504 +comment (10agarrett) [12:50:46] RoanKattouw: I see the requests in the log, but the dropdown does not appear [12:51:01] Hmm [12:51:08] I'll try to reproduce that in a moment [12:51:12] and no javascript errors in firefox log [12:51:25] but it works on sandwiki, which is running on trunk and ugly urls [12:51:53] what is different there from regular translatewiki ? [12:52:08] I just said that [12:52:35] 'ugly urls' and 'trunk', but no other differences at all? [12:52:39] so what version is translatewiki on? [12:53:17] r53262 [12:53:49] well, some extensions and some configuration [12:55:15] hmm [12:56:11] RoanKattouw, I tried ConfrimEdit but on download receave error "Unable to contact remote subversion client." from mediawiki.org ... Any ideas? [12:56:29] 03werdna * r53310 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/pages/TalkpageView.php: Fix bug 19717, was not a sorting bug but a mislabelled comment. [12:56:46] PHP_Adam: Yeah, that download thingy is broekn [12:56:58] it makes it to the "os_updateIfRelevant" call [12:57:12] PHP_Adam: Download from http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ [12:57:18] bah [12:57:22] ahh. ty! [12:57:36] why doesn't any mw.org admin put it into sitenotice that extension distributor is not distributing anything [12:57:36] it makes it to os_updateResults [12:58:06] aren't you a mw.org admin? [12:58:14] not that I am aware of [12:58:23] Splarka: it doesn't work for you either? [12:58:31] Nikerabbit: no, it doesn't, am debugging [12:58:38] thanks [12:58:45] <^demon> Heh, fun feedback e-mail on mobile-l: [12:58:46] <^demon> Hiiiii GREAT WIKI GODS! :-) WOW! THANK YOU SOOOOOOO MUCH FOR YOUR PERFECT, "new" SITE! I LOVE IT (and ALL of you) SOOOOOOOO MUCH! YOU'RE GREAT AND WONDERFUL! YOU RUUUUULE! [12:58:50] werdna: can you +sysop Nikerabbit on mediawiki.org ? [12:58:56] works with Opera 10.00 alpha but not with 3.0.6 [12:58:58] I guess so :P [12:59:00] ff 3.0.6 [12:59:26] ^demon: A++++ WOULD VANDALIZE AGAIN [12:59:37] <^demon> Heh [13:00:06] 03(mod) Special:Preferences: Option 'stubthreshold' is not saved if chosen from menu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19641 +easy; +comment (10hartman) [13:00:20] ^demon, link? [13:00:32] 03(FIXED) Sorting order "Last modified" bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19717 +comment (10agarrett) [13:00:32] <^demon> werdna: There was a report on the enwiki tech village pump about saving pref issues. Wondering if all of these are related? [13:01:00] Nikerabbit: it is hitting the catch(e) in function os_updateResults(r, query, text, cacheKey){ [13:01:03] ^demon: yeah, I can see that bug, will get to it [13:01:28] ahh [13:01:41] > ReferenceError: is_khtml is not defined [13:01:48] yes, it is broke [13:01:51] someone went and removed that [13:01:56] yeah, somebody removed that and it's been breaking scripts left right and center [13:01:59] thanks, whoever that was. [13:02:03] <^demon> luminoso: Hasn't appeared in mailman. [13:02:06] so mwsuggest.js needs a fix [13:02:19] hi [13:02:26] I have a silly question regarding a new installation of mediawiki [13:02:34] how do I move the installation to a different URL? [13:02:38] <^demon> luminoso: It hasn't appeared in mailman :-\ [13:02:47] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53189 [13:02:48] if I just move the files, they always try to force to use the old URL [13:02:59] <^demon> maroy: Move all the directories, update $wgScriptPath and $wgArticlePath as needed. [13:03:56] where would I need to update these? they arte not ferenced in my LocalSettings.php [13:04:26] werd: Simetrical did it in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?r1=52886&r2=53141 [13:04:32] probably thinking it was only used there [13:05:28] maroy: They should be in your LocalSettings.php ; check again [13:06:15] indeed, I'm sorry for overlooking them [13:06:49] Nikerabbit: haha [13:07:08] it works on your sandbox due to mdale's upload branch merge which overwrote Simetrical's removal [13:10:01] *^demon wonders what other things might've snuck in on the merge [13:10:32] looks like a right mess [13:10:39] is_khtml was removed ? [13:10:41] <^demon> Yes [13:10:48] and accidentally re-added [13:10:51] *thedj checks the en.wp scripts [13:11:05] will be re-removed when mdale fixes his merge (or is reverted) [13:11:16] and probably re-readded when someone pokles Simetrical [13:11:57] You do the Hokey-Pokey,: And you turn yourself around. That's what it's all about! [13:12:18] hmm [13:12:44] Splarka: ugga [13:12:49] indeed [13:12:57] do we have a list of syntax that is supported in the mediawiki search field ? [13:14:04] r53310 (latest trunk): Notice: Undefined property: SkinMonoBook::$pagecss in /skins/MonoBook.php on line 51 [13:16:33] str4nd: reported on code review [13:16:43] str4nd: you should not be using trunk at this time anyway, lots of things are broken [13:16:46] <^demon> Splarka: We need a new commit song. I vote you use Hokey Pokey this time. [13:16:52] 03(NEW) Conceal information about page existence if user is not allowed to view the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19746 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (church.of.emacs.ml) [13:17:15] just found that, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53282#c3190 [13:17:20] going to downgrade [13:18:50] bah [13:18:52] ^demon: sounds repetitive [13:19:04] 19764 is close to wontfix [13:19:30] hmm [13:20:09] <^demon> Nikerabbit: http://pastebin.com/d31b5386f - indentation fixes if you want to go ahead and commit that (at work now, can't commit, blah) [13:20:24] Nikerabbit, Bug #19764 does not exist. [13:20:39] 19746 [13:20:44] numbers are tricky [13:20:50] but I said "close to" [13:20:55] :D [13:21:21] ^demon: it aint in no hurry [13:22:46] > You put your rights patch in, he takes your rights patch out, you fix your right patch then he will slap you with a trout. You ask him for the okay then you cry when he will shout. And so we do without. [13:23:04] Splarka: :o [13:23:10] You put your LEFT JOIN in... [13:23:11] I didn't know you were artistic [13:23:11] etc [13:23:30] that's not art [13:23:52] <^demon> Nikerabbit: Yes, it is :D [13:24:36] <^demon> Splarka: Last time he did it to "I Kissed a Girl" by Katy Perry. [13:24:43] ^demon: nah.. compared to other changes that break many things, yours just case me headache [13:24:53] <^demon> Blah, Nikerabbit, Splarka did it. Of course Splarka remembers what he did it to. [13:25:18] did I? [13:25:34] <^demon> Yes. [13:27:08] And before that he did it to "Greensleeves" [13:27:20] I still have those buried in a file on my other computer somewhere [13:28:59] 03jojo * r53311 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: fix: user collection_jQuery here, too [13:30:38] All the times we're dumb. Here our brains are numb. Shellers don't fear the revert, nor do the branchers going insane. We can be like they are. Come on baby, don't fear the revert, baby take my hand, don't fear the revert, we'll fix and retry, don't fear the revert, we've just began. [13:31:15] <^demon> Good one. [13:33:19] *RoanKattouw doesn't recognize that one [13:33:26] <^demon> Don't Fear the Reaper by Blue Öyster Cult [13:33:51] *RoanKattouw makes a collection of these songs on mediawikiwiki [13:33:56] lol [13:34:04] Put them as bugzilla quotes too :) [13:34:06] <^demon> RoanKattouw: 2 steps ahead of you [13:34:18] Damn [13:34:34] <^demon> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:^demon/Songs [13:34:48] Mine is prettier http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Catrope/Splarka%27s_Songs&action=edit [13:34:55] Ah http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Catrope/Splarka%27s_Songs [13:35:23] <^demon> Is this worth merging to mainspace? [13:35:24] sheesh [13:35:29] Doo eeet [13:35:31] rainman-sr: why are there two title fields for the search field ? [13:35:55] ^demon: Sure [13:36:03] Lemme get the other two from my other PC [13:36:17] no idea [13:36:47] rainman-sr: i thought you redid that thing ? [13:37:17] <^demon> Now at [[Songs]] [13:37:40] well i don't remember putting in any duplicate fields [13:38:00] ^demon: We should do pretty line breaks [13:38:11] rainman-sr: so shall i file a bugreport for this ? [13:38:26] <^demon> RoanKattouw: be bold. [13:38:38] yeah sure [13:38:53] ^demon: I can do hokey pokey and Greensleeves but I don't know the other two songs [13:39:02] So I can't put breaks in logical places [13:39:25] I wish google's filetype:txt actually checked mime type (or wasn't so easy to fool) [13:39:35] I've resorted to getting lyrics with view-source [13:41:00] <^demon> Splarka: Major props if you could manage Baba O'Reilly [13:41:30] *sigh* [13:41:32] 03werdna * r53312 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (i18n/Lqt.i18n.php pages/TalkpageView.php): Fix bug 19718 (sort order lost when clicking paging links) by changing the sort order form to GET instead of POST, which it should have been anyway. [13:43:27] well, lesse, for mediawiki development... the theme of "teenage wasteland" would be a bit too personal, heh (as would "All The Young Devs") [13:43:39] does anybody get follow up mails from code review? [13:43:58] 03werdna * r53313 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/pages/NewUserMessagesView.php: Fix inline replies on Special:NewMessages [13:44:03] tee-nage... P--HP... PHP wasteland? [13:44:27] 03(FIXED) Sorting order changes to "Last Modified" if one changes the thread page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19718 +comment (10agarrett) [13:44:32] <^demon> Nikerabbit: Slight delay, but yeah [13:44:40] per http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Splarka/PHP I don't think any dev likes php much [13:45:09] why I don't? [13:45:26] I cited every quote, heh [13:45:35] <^demon> Haha. [13:45:57] [22:59:14] "{$" procudes parse error [13:46:16] Splarka: yes? [13:46:42] oh, thought you asked why you don't like php, sorry [13:46:56] oh [13:47:01] Splarka: because it is so sad [13:47:11] but I was asking why I still don't get any follow-up emails from code review [13:47:16] *werdna lols [13:47:34] <^demon> Nikerabbit: You're linked, right? [13:47:43] yes yes and email is confirmed [13:50:29] <^demon> RoanKattouw: Added songs you don't know real titles for? [13:50:58] Out here in the fields, I fight with my equals, I got to hack to get it working. I don't need a light, to stay up all night. And PHP is not forgiving. Don't sigh, don't even try, it's only PHP wasteland. [13:51:35] <^demon> \o/ [13:52:26] ^demon: Only one [13:53:08] <^demon> This is quite possibly the best page on mediawiki.org now [13:53:35] 03(NEW) double title field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19747 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (hartman) [13:54:22] Barely feel my hands, legs are rubber bands, eyes are on fire, and aches are in my shoulder... [13:54:31] damn, would help if I knew any PHP syntax, ahh well [13:54:38] someone else can finish it [13:55:03] Which song is that? [13:55:17] Baba O'Reilly [13:55:31] *RoanKattouw suggests Splarka just add this stuff to [[mw:Songs]] directly [13:55:54] there was one in -tech ... hmm [13:56:47] Splarka: Do you mean the Greensleeves or I Like Big Butts one? [13:56:48] My commits bring all the devs to their guard and they're like "It's better than yours", damn right, it's better than yours, I could scap you but I'd have to merge. [13:56:58] lmfao [13:57:13] Nikerabbit: I get them [13:57:33] arg, stop distracting me [13:57:40] *^demon is working on one for "Somebody's Watching Me" [13:58:33] I feel it in my fingers, I feel it in my co-ode... [13:59:24] reedy: Nice. Now be brave and do some more lines :P [13:59:49] RoanKattouw, ill have to find the rest of the lyrics first ;) [14:00:05] Your love is all around me, and so the feeling grows [14:00:18] That's all I know [14:02:20] I'm just an autoconfirmed man, with an absent life... [14:02:21] <^demon> When I'm done with a patch / I'm afraid to commit my change / 'Cause I might open my eyes / And find E_PARSE standing there / People say I'm lazy / Just a little rushed / But maybe committing reminds me / Of reversion too much / That's why (I always feel like) / (Brion's watching me) / And I have no privacy / Whooooa, oh-oh / (I always feel like) / (Tim's watching me) / Who's revertin' code on me [14:03:24] *Splarka decides to sleep before it gets addicting [14:05:29] *RoanKattouw took a shot at completing "Greensleeves" [14:05:58] *RoanKattouw encourages ^demon to add to [[Songs]] [14:07:48] does anyone know of a MediaWiki extension to retrieve the top 10-20 words used in the wiki ranked by frequency? [14:08:27] you need to write it [14:09:39] <^demon> RoanKattouw: Switching out for 
's so I can do linebreaks.
[14:09:48] 	Nikerabbit - I am not familiar with the MW API but I wonder if this data could be easily extracted in real time or it needs some kind of preprocessing
[14:10:05] 	how big wiki?
[14:10:08] 	(I guess it would hardly scale up for large wikis)
[14:10:26] 	it's actually for a plugin that should be used for wikis of any size
[14:10:39] 	yeah, no hope of real time then
[14:11:09] 	can MW extensions store preprocessed data in the DB?
[14:11:32] 	whatever they want
[14:11:44] 	ok thx 
[14:13:06] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: 
'd all the ones I knew.
[14:13:14] *RoanKattouw 	looks
[14:13:47] 	who not  :o
[14:14:17] 	I just did Greensleeves
[14:14:24] 	why*
[14:14:35] 	took me a while to realise what was wrong in that
[14:27:20] 	how do i add my own custom css file that will be added last after the built in ones ? or should i simlpy modify the existing one that is used ?
[14:28:28] 	You would normally add CSS modifications to existing skins to MediaWiki:Common.css (for all skins) or MediaWiki:Monobook.css (or another file or anther skin)
[14:29:20] 	You can do it at a lower level, too, by modifying the existing skin or adding a new link to an existing skin's PHP file (and I'm pretty sure you can add arbitrary CSS files if you write an extension).
[14:29:34] 	or just edit username/skinname.css ?
[14:29:55] 	Well, if you're a user, but presumably this is for a whole site if they have the option to modify the one used.
[14:32:09] 	yea for the whole site
[14:32:15] 	well i just wanted to keep it separate and clean
[14:34:24] 	is there a way to add your own markup ?
[14:34:30] 	i mean wiki code
[14:34:59] 	!extensions | meth
[14:34:59] --mwbot--	meth: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See  for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See  for an overview of known extensions.
[14:37:03] 	there doesn't seem to be many formating options though
[14:37:41] 	i've used other wiki's and they had ways to format various types of fields like an error, alert, warning, borders for code (not a pre) etc...
[14:38:16] 	rainman-sr: i changed the way the searchEngine selector is added to Special:Search page. hope you like it (it's only there on advanced view now).  
[14:40:28] 	meth: That's usually done with templates
[14:40:31] 	!template | meth
[14:40:31] --mwbot--	meth: For more information about templates, see . The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions  and enabling HTML Tidy 
[14:40:44] 	thedj, people might complain, i never used that selector, but i imagine some people do and putting it far-right and only on advanced might not be a good idea
[14:41:16] 	never hurts to experiment :D
[14:41:17] 	thedj, also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Searching#other_search_engines
[14:41:33] 	apparently the current way doesn't work on some old browsers
[14:41:42] 	rainman-sr: yeah that was due to double title field.
[14:47:44] 	03(mod) Self-link feature: additional behaviour for greater flexibility; add CSS id="firstmention" by analysis of text for uniqueness. See from Comment #11, halfway through, onward. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  summary (10harryalffa)
[14:48:59] 	03(mod) Self-link feature: additional behaviour for greater flexibility; add CSS id="firstmention" by analysis of text for uniqueness. See from Comment #11, halfway through, onward. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  (10harryalffa)
[14:49:11] 	03(mod) Self-link feature: additional behaviour for greater flexibility; add CSS id="firstmention" by analysis of text for uniqueness. See from Comment #11, halfway through, onward. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:49:52] 	ahaha "Anti-accessability coup"
[14:50:06] 	03(mod) Self-link feature: additional behaviour for greater flexibility; add CSS id="firstmention" by analysis of text for uniqueness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213  summary; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:52:06] 	Is there a specific code file for the maxlag stuffs?
[14:53:55] 	reedy: not really
[14:54:09] 	funs
[14:56:49] <^demon>	Wondering...since we want to move away from direct file read/write. What if we have a FileSystem class that handles things like read/write/move/rename/etc and that can sit on top of whatever FileSystem (or DB?) you want to use.
[14:57:31] 	searching is not very powerfull 
[14:57:36] 	if i search for maint i wont find maintenance
[14:58:43] 	^demon: for images or generally?
[14:59:11] 	I'm seeing a #switch on my help pages trying to select the language, am I missing some extesion?
[14:59:30] 	!parserfunctions | mgrant_
[14:59:30] --mwbot--	mgrant_: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see .
[14:59:35] *reedy 	contemplates avglag
[14:59:51] 	thanks!
[15:00:41] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Generally.
[15:01:21] 	are you talking to me about the parser ?
[15:01:29] 	is there a way to improve the searching ?
[15:04:07] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: My thought is that if you abstract it all to that, you can theoretically have anything sitting behind the "FileSystem", be it a DB, an actual local filesystem, whatever.
[15:04:28] 	^demon: or mix of those?
[15:05:04] <^demon>	This is all just speculation :) Don't have time to write it right now.
[15:05:59] *Nikerabbit 	sells some time to ^demon
[15:07:26] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: I don't have the money to buy your time.
[15:08:36] 	03catrope * r53314 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (6 files): OptIn: Add feedback survey
[15:10:25] 	:D
[15:11:30] 	I'm getting a timeout downloading the ParserFunctions extension from the mediawiki.org server, problem there?
[15:11:40] 	lol
[15:11:44] 	mgrant_: Did you use ExtensionDistributor or SVN?
[15:11:52] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/ParserFunctions
[15:12:16] 	Yeah thought so
[15:12:17] <^demon>	I just saw an anon post a bug about the distributor earlier.
[15:12:24] <^demon>	Something about not being able to connect to SVN
[15:12:27] 	ED is broken, I've notified TimStarling
[15:12:32] 	Meanwhile, download the ext from SVN
[15:12:34] 	I posted one a while back, but it sorted itself out and i closed it
[15:12:43] 	ok, thanks.
[15:12:47] 	mgrant_: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/
[15:12:58] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Extensions&curid=11283&diff=265180&oldid=260213
[15:13:20] 	Or if you have SVN installed: svn co http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions
[15:14:05] 	Cool, that worked!
[15:14:24] *werdna 	eyes Shanel 
[15:14:46] *Shanel 	lasers werdna.
[15:17:39] 	Ok, next roadblock...  I copied over the help files, all went well except the Tools.svg file reports "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again."  Maybe I have some old version of svg installed?
[15:18:02] 	Tool.svg looks fine in firefox locally.
[15:20:06] 	Uncreated pages appear as blue links in my wiki. They become red only after clicking them. how to correct this ?
[15:20:51] 	Vinodh: Blue where exactly? In an article or in the sidebar or where?
[15:21:19] 	in the article and in the speacial pages. Usually they should appear as Red right ?
[15:21:26] 	see this: Wanted Pages: http://buddhism.tamilcc.org/wiki2/index.php?title=%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B1%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%81:WantedPages
[15:21:40] 	All pages appear as blue links
[15:22:38] 	Vinodh: Works for me on 1.16alpha, I guess that bug was fixed in the meantime
[15:23:08] 	They appear as red at your end ?
[15:23:23] 	Yes, but I'm running the latest development version
[15:23:42] 	They appear as blue on your wiki (for me as well), but red on my wiki
[15:23:44] 	That's what I meant
[15:23:52] 	oh ok 
[15:24:35] 	can anything be done ? I run mediawiki 1.15
[15:25:47] 	Wait until 1.16 is released
[15:26:09] 	:)
[15:26:17] 	So is it a bug on 1.15 ?
[15:26:27] 	o_o
[15:26:29] 	Is it?
[15:26:38] 	The bug is not present on ours.
[15:26:41] 	And we use 1.15.0
[15:26:51] 	ah
[15:27:24] 	Well, we still have that "invalid title in result set;" quirk.
[15:27:57] 	is there any settings in locasettings.php that can be tweaked ?
[15:28:22] 	o_o Oh wait.
[15:28:24] 	I am sorry.
[15:28:26] 	>_<
[15:28:29] 	We run 1.14.0
[15:28:35] 	I totally thought I upgraded.
[15:28:41] *svip 	slaps self.
[15:28:44] 	:)
[15:28:58] 	<_< Guess there are reasons to wait for upgrading.
[15:29:02] 	svip: Invaild titles are caused by DB corruption
[15:29:11] 	ha ha @svip
[15:29:24] 	Well.
[15:30:17] 	I am opening my wiki to the public only in Jan. until then I have blocked indexing by search engines. I guess 1.16 will be released b4 that :-/
[15:30:42] 	I'd expect so.
[15:31:43] 	oh ok.
[15:31:56] 	Guys another question. Does too much of extnesions slow down the wiki ?
[15:32:04] <^demon>	Yes.
[15:32:23] 	:(
[15:32:28] 	Probably why Wikipedia is so slow.
[15:32:30] 	Yes, though it depends on the extensions.
[15:32:47] <^demon>	Things that use $wgExtensionFunctions when not needed annoy me.
[15:33:04] 	I am thinking of rewriting all the modifications I have made into our wiki into an extension. >_< I am tired of having to upgrade this manually.
[15:33:30] 	svip: Do you currently have them as patch files? It can be quite quick if you just run down the list of them.
[15:33:39] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Speaking of, why do we still use back-compat code rather than moving all things to ParserFirstCallInit?
[15:33:49] 	though it's gonna be painful moving to 1.16, many things have changed.
[15:33:52] 	GreenReaper: I do not.  That only hit my mind after I did it.
[15:34:11] 	Well, that's still fine, you can checkout the existing version and do a diff -u
[15:34:12] 	Oh well, GreenReaper.  There are not *that* many changes to our wiki hardcoded in.
[15:34:15] 	But there are some.
[15:34:49] 	You can even check it out over a current copy with the option to assume that changed files are intended to be viewed as changes, and then do a svn diff
[15:35:05] 	GreenReaper: http://theinfosphere.org/Special:Version << In fact, it is only the "affiliates" section on the left that is the modification.
[15:35:59] 	Oh, well that's really no problem at all, you just need to diff that modified skin file. Though an extension that added a toolbox item would work too.
[15:36:13] 	We actually have something very similar on http://fr.wikifur.com/
[15:36:43] 	Uhm.  Isn't that just possible with the current Sidebar format?
[15:37:04] 	My problem was that there was no effective way to get in the images like that with the current Sidebar format and CSS.
[15:37:14] 	Not in all of the wikis that we have, for all the formats of that section that we wanted.
[15:37:31] 	http://cs.wikifur.com/ shows that better
[15:37:31] 	^demon: because of bc?
[15:37:48] 	Ah.
[15:38:06] 	o_o Oh my goodness.
[15:38:08] 	You're right though, and I should consider doing it like that.
[15:38:09] 	This is a Furry wiki.
[15:38:21] 	lol, furriers
[15:38:48] 	Of course. Thousands of fans. Hundreds of fursuiters. And more comics than you can shake a stick at. Your trip begins at wikifur.com.
[15:39:01] 	Woop.
[15:39:04] 	How many daily visitors?
[15:39:17] 	For en we're just over 9000.
[15:39:22] 	And, it looks like mediawiki.org is still broken for downloading extensions.  Any mirrors handy or something?
[15:39:22] 	Dang.
[15:39:23] 	haha
[15:39:30] 	Mercury, svn
[15:39:31] 	Futurama is apparently not as popular as Furry, reedy.
[15:40:26] *svip 	shudders.
[15:40:38] 	I'd rather woop and eat garbage than dress up in fur.
[15:40:49] 	Well, we're like full-sized lovey bears. :-)
[15:40:55] 	Hm.
[15:41:00] 	I see the connection.
[15:41:03] *svip 	strokes chin.
[15:41:39] 	We only have about 800-900 visitors a day.
[15:41:43] 	On regular days.
[15:41:57] 	But when Futurama is in the news cycle, woop!  Through the roof, which is like 1500.
[15:42:07] 	Furries frolic and play for in the fur forests, until their fifth birthday. Then we take the cutest, stuipidest ones and skin them to make fursuits.
[15:42:19] 	So cute...
[15:42:47] 	And before you ask, GreenReaper.
[15:42:57] 	We do have an article on Lovey Bears:  http://theinfosphere.org/Lovey_Bears
[15:43:08] 	Yeah, I saw. :-)
[15:43:12] 	:P
[15:43:13] 	We get occasional jumps when something mentions the site. (cracked.com doubled traffic for a day)
[15:43:21] 	Actually I've even been there before.
[15:43:22] 	Hah.
[15:43:32] 	O_O Uh.
[15:43:41] 	03(mod) Better Malayalam translation for Namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15829  (10vssun9)
[15:43:41] 	Well, we do consider ourselves the best Futurama wiki.
[15:43:45] 	Was telling someone about lovey bears.
[15:44:12] 	reedy: Any hints for figuring out which revision is necessary for a given release of mediawiki?
[15:44:30] 	not that i know of...
[15:44:42] 	I swear, all the best advertising is people bashing us. We got a huge jump when it was menioned on somethingawful.com as the Awful Site of the Day three weeks in.
[15:44:43] 	See whats tagged etc
[15:45:00] 	lol
[15:47:49] 	reedy: Ah, thank you.
[16:10:51] 	ugga
[16:16:18] 	03yaron * r53315 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_List.php: Added support for 'columns' parameter, by turning lists into groups of floating divs if there's more than one column; changed mechanism of looping through rows, to make this easier to implement.
[16:24:15] 	flood is evil...
[16:31:19] 	Hi. I have a simple template that adds a divcontainer with a title {{{1}}} and a text {{{2}}} but when I add a external link [http.//.......] to one of those it does not get rendered. Any help?
[16:33:21] 	Ahhh it happens only when the url contains get vars ?a=b, etc.
[16:36:17] 	03werdna * r53316 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HTMLForm.php: Force select-or-other type fields to string values, fixing problem where stub threshold was not being properly loaded into preferences window once saved differently to the default
[16:38:59] 	Hmmm seems to be a problem with the equals symbol =
[16:39:21] 	dergringo: Obviously.
[16:39:35] 	Parameters for templates use the syntax stuff=stuff
[16:39:44] 	e.g. {{a|foo=bar}}
[16:40:00] 	ahhh =)
[16:40:05] 	what's the solution?
[16:40:15] 	Use a parameter name for the url.
[16:40:19] 	e.g. {{a| url= stuff }
[16:40:22] 	}}*
[16:40:35] 	Since it only separates by the first equal sign.
[16:41:54] 	Well, I have to leave. O_O  bye.
[16:41:56] 	Hmm it's just a common box. No need to add an url on each use. Is there no other solution? Like escaping oder so?
[16:41:58] 	bye
[17:24:28] 	;-;
[17:24:37] 	What happened to all the MediaWiki developers?
[17:25:30] 	svip: swine flu?
[17:25:40] 	could be worse
[17:25:43] 	brion: No, sorry, that is just the title of my new novel.
[17:25:46] 	all the inkscape developers got spline flu!
[17:25:46] 	It's science-fiction.
[17:25:51] *brion 	ba-dum pssssshhhh
[17:25:59] 	boooooo
[17:26:06] 	brion: Oh, it's scary though.
[17:26:07] *werdna 	slaps brion 
[17:26:13] 	thanks werdna
[17:26:23] 	ow
[17:26:28] 	In the future... MediaWiki has become a self-developing being.
[17:26:36] 	Which have devoured all its developers.
[17:26:49] <^demon>	You mean it hasn't already? I though we were all extensions by now.
[17:27:05] 	And since society in the future is so depended on Wikipedia, it gains control of all of humanity.
[17:27:09] 	no, that's emacs
[17:27:11] 	It's my story, don't anyone steal it!
[17:27:14] 	>:|
[17:27:22] *^demon 	kicks wikibugs
[17:27:38] 	I am going to be rich and famous.
[17:27:52] 	The more I think about it.  The cooler that story sounds.
[17:28:00] 	Despite being so stupid.
[17:28:47] 	Oi, I can only wait till it is made into a film.
[17:28:51] *^demon 	kicks wikibugs...harder
[17:29:04] 	The opening scene:  An empty #mediawiki channel.
[17:29:14] 	My god, I should be a director.
[17:29:23] 	^demon: any progress on that feature request?
[17:29:23] 	What have Hollywood done without me?
[17:30:10] <^demon>	Betacommand: I haven't touched it yet. I'm still poking my branch.
[17:30:48] 	^demon: careful branches are known to poke back
[17:31:09] 	brion: We need your drum kit again.
[17:32:06] 	Betacommand: why don't you do any development anyway?
[17:32:09] 	You seem the type.
[17:32:55] 	werdna: when I get time to learn php I will
[17:33:20] <^demon>	Can anyone make sense of bug 19598?
[17:33:47] 	werdna: I need to understand php to program in it :)
[17:34:13] <^demon>	Betacommand: Rewrite MW in Python then :p
[17:34:18] 	Betacommand: PHP is easy.  Just get into its philosphy: "ugly code and no naming schemes".
[17:34:20] 	werdna: its on my todo list
[17:34:26] 	:P
[17:34:31] 	^demon: I'm on it.
[17:34:32] 	Hi
[17:34:39] <^demon>	mdale: Ping\
[17:34:41] *Betacommand 	shudders
[17:34:41] 	hi
[17:34:43] 	hi
[17:34:44] 	I assume I can get support here? ^_^
[17:34:50] 	If you are lucky.
[17:34:54] 	Which most people are.
[17:34:57] 	In here.
[17:35:04] 	Unless they got swine/spline flu.
[17:35:07] 	Too soon?
[17:35:08] 	^_^
[17:35:10] <^demon>	mdale: Bug 19741 is about some of the big ogg files you added in trunk. Care to drop a comment?
[17:35:11] 	I'm curious..
[17:35:16] 	Can I put people in a usergroup that has a space in it?
[17:35:19] 	sure ... 
[17:35:25] 	EG: Force Pit
[17:35:30] 	Currently, mediawiki doesn't allow it
[17:35:31] 	they are just sample files.. can remove and point to web locations... 
[17:35:33] 	FF|Skyrider: Why do you have a space in a usergroup?
[17:35:42] 	svip: I require readable code
[17:35:45] 	I usually have it tidy
[17:35:48] 	"Beta Tester"
[17:35:49] 	somebody know how to unview "modify this section" link in pages ?
[17:35:50] 	"Force Pit"
[17:35:53] 	Betacommand: Then PHP is not for you.
[17:35:54] <^demon>	You can't put in the the localsettings group name, but you could change the groupname mw pages to have a space :)
[17:36:08] 	FF|Skyrider: Use underscore, then use messages to present the names with spaces.
[17:36:08] 	Space breaks it? :P
[17:36:20] 	Ah, oke.
[17:36:25] 	So space doesn't really "work" :p
[17:36:31] 	Yes.
[17:36:31] 	Betacommand: PHP isn't that unreadable
[17:36:33] 	svip: thats part of the reason I dont know it yet
[17:36:38] 	Betacommand: it depends on who writes it though
[17:36:45] <^demon>	Crappy PHP is unreadable.
[17:36:54] 	^demon: Any Perl is unreadable.
[17:36:59] 	Alrighty, thanks.
[17:37:09] 	Maybe you guys can also help me getting Friendly URL to work on a subdomain
[17:37:09] 	werdna: quite right. Ive seen unreadable code in any language
[17:37:14] <^demon>	svip: My team lead at work has an obsession with using Perl to automate everything.
[17:37:18] 	Wait, rewrite MW into unreadable Perl or Brainfuck.
[17:37:29] 	^demon: perl's fun.
[17:37:39] 	svip: teach him python, things get easy
[17:37:45] 	You can write unreadable perl, and you can write elegant, well-set-out perl
[17:37:46] 	hey guys.. quick question, i want to add those boxes on my main page, just like the one on mediawiki.org
[17:37:47] 	Man, I can't wait to figure out how to make thumbnail resizing in Brainfuck.
[17:37:55] <^demon>	I don't doubt Perl being good. I doubt his obsession with it.
[17:37:59] 	how do i build those boxes? that one for include
[17:38:09] 	Oh..
[17:38:14] 	I renamed the Force Pit & Beta Tester
[17:38:17] 	briMestone: divs.
[17:38:18] 	It created the new ones
[17:38:22] 	but the old ones are still there..
[17:38:24] 	how do I remove those?
[17:38:25] 	ohhh...
[17:38:26] 	svip: write Math in brainfuck, it'll be more readable than the ocaml we use now
[17:38:32] <^demon>	!songs is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Songs
[17:38:32] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: songs
[17:38:38] 	is there a sample formatting out there
[17:38:38] 	werdna: Okay, I like a challenge.
[17:38:47] 	17:37 < ^demon> I don't doubt Perl being good. I doubt his obsession with it.
[17:38:52] 	You doubt his obsession?
[17:38:57] 	You don't think he's obsessed?
[17:39:11] 	werdna: No, he finds his lack of faith disturbing.
[17:39:14] 	Wait, other way around.
[17:39:15] <^demon>	werdna: Well, he is obsessed.
[17:39:18] 	03brion * r53317 10/branches/wmf-deployment/math/GNUmakefile: Add live hack: override makefile to avoid our accidentally running wrong make on texvc
[17:39:22] 	^demon: so you don't doubt his obsession?
[17:39:35] 	^demon: werdna is annoying you with grammar.
[17:39:40] <^demon>	It's more "I question why he would be so obsessive"
[17:39:57] 	anyone?
[17:40:01] 	^demon: well, if you're most comfortable with a language...
[17:40:13] 	FF|Skyrider: Mmmm...
[17:40:25] 	FF|Skyrider: It's hard to say, but aren't usergroups created in LocalSettings?
[17:40:48] 	FF|Skyrider: Wait, you'll have to rid the current users who are in those groups from them.
[17:40:52] 	Or something.
[17:41:05] 	I never wrote any part of MediaWiki, only gabbed at its code like a moron.
[17:41:08] *svip 	gabes.
[17:41:22] 	Thing is..
[17:41:29] 	I couldnt put people in the usergroup
[17:41:33] 	so.. thats kinda hard
[17:41:43] 	I renamed all "Beta Testers" to "BetaTesters" atm
[17:41:48] 	in localsettings
[17:42:02] 	Odd, its gone now
[17:42:06] 	svip: can you point me to a sample divs code?
[17:42:11] 	Neat ,thanks
[17:42:31] 	Now I need to get Friendly URL to work :)
[17:42:42] 	briMestone: Wikipedia Main Page.
[17:42:50] 	Try "view source" on the top.
[17:43:00] 	Alternatively, read up on the HTML element, 
.
[17:43:08] <^demon>	werdna: Is wikibugs stuck?
[17:43:13] 	nice.. thanks 
[17:44:09] 	last time I tried to get Friendly URL to work, didn't worked..
[17:44:15] 	^demon: It can't get "stuck"
[17:44:26] 	03brion * r53318 10/branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Commit some maintenance scripts from live site per Tim's recommendation
[17:44:52] 	FF|Skyrider: Oi.
[17:44:58] 	Did you read some of the guides?
[17:45:11] 	Yes, I have.
[17:45:18] 	I used multiple, they all didn't really worked for me
[17:45:25] <^demon>	werdna: Or whatever the term is. It's not doing it's job :p
[17:45:38] 	03brion * r53319 10/branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/lag.php: fix PHP notice err (not actually sure the -r option works atm though)
[17:45:39] 	Would be great if you guys can use my FF|Skyrider nickname
[17:45:41] 	so I get notified :)
[17:46:00] 	FF|Skyrider: You cannot have pipes in MediaWiki titles.
[17:46:03] 	It's the law.
[17:46:38] 	pipes?
[17:46:44] 	|
[17:46:44] 	This is a pipe: |
[17:47:29] 	With "Title", you mean the nickname here on IRC or..
[17:47:49] 	On MediaWiki.
[17:48:01] 	Damn.  I like the nick zocky already.
[17:49:09] 	Where do I have | though? O_o
[17:49:33] 	Between your second F and your S.
[17:49:47] 	It's the third character in your nick.
[17:49:47] 	Right. so you are talking about my nickname here in this channel.
[17:49:50] 	What's wrong about it though.
[17:49:51] 	Yes.
[17:49:52] <^demon>	brion: lag.php seems to be very similar to getLagTimes.php?
[17:49:58] 	And I said you cannot have that nick on MediaWiki, FF|Skyrider.
[17:50:08] 	And why not? O_o
[17:50:16] 	^demon: perhaps :)
[17:50:17] <^demon>	Because pipes are forbidden characters.
[17:50:18] 	Because you cannot have pipes in MediaWiki titles.
[17:50:32] 	FF|Skyrider: This is character-racism.
[17:50:44] 	There are certain minorities of characters that cannot be in URLs.
[17:50:48] 	Pipes are one of them.
[17:51:09] 	*shrugs*, where are the rules exactly of this channel? :s
[17:52:02] 	FF|Skyrider: You must be at least this crazy to enter: [-----------------] NB: Not to scale.
[17:52:40] 	:-\ I'm really confused.
[17:58:59] *werdna 	heading off
[18:00:19] 	*shrugs*
[18:00:23] 	I really wish Friendly URL would work
[18:00:55] 	can i use a MS word formatted document into mediawiki? and can it keep the formatting as well?
[18:02:01] <^demon>	briMestone: No.
[18:02:16] <^demon>	Hehe. $text = $log->getContentWithoutUsingSoManyDamnGlobals();
[18:02:52] 	so i literally need to rewrite everything huh
[18:04:15] 	briMestone: google around
[18:04:21] 	you'll see some translators
[18:04:29] 	or load it in OpenOffice and export it to mediawiki format :)
[18:06:37] 	God
[18:06:42] 	Can't get Friendly URL to work! >_>
[18:07:02] 	Openoffice has a mediawiki format?
[18:08:28] 	Possible someone can help me with this?
[18:13:22] 	briMestone: yes, at least for export
[18:15:54] 	03dale * r53320 10/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php: added some isset() calls to avoid Notice: Undefined property errors
[18:18:37] 	03tparscal * r53321 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.hooks.php OptIn.patch.ois_type.sql): Added database schema patch for ois_type field.
[18:34:16] 	Where are SEARCH TOOLBOX and LANGUAGES defined in the core ?
[18:35:26] 	03tparscal * r53322 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Improved the consistency of preferences tabs between browsers.
[18:47:34] *^demon 	stabs wikibugs
[18:47:53] <^demon>	Anyone around who can give wikibugs a reboot? It seems dead.
[18:48:39] 	i think brion is around
[18:50:10] <^demon>	brion: I think wikibugs is dead :)
[18:50:39] 	anyone have the answer to my question? :P
[18:50:45] 	for the sidebar
[18:51:33] <^demon>	charitwo: I believe it's somewhere in Skin and/or SkinTemplate. Best place to start checking, at least.
[18:53:08] 	03dale * r53323 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php): updated RELEASE-NOTES configuration vars and removed duplicate $wgPhpCliPath in DefaultSettings.php
[18:53:28] 	charitwo: they are special words handled in skins (see skins/MonoBook.php, skins/Vector.php, ...)
[18:54:16] 	alright, thanks
[18:54:17] <^demon>	ialex: I thought the code for them was in Skin/SkinTemplate? Or does each skin implement that?
[18:54:34] 	^demon: each skin implement that :(
[18:54:44] 	*lot* of code duplication :(
[18:54:46] <^demon>	*facepalm*
[18:55:03] 	How is edit count for autoconfirmed checked?
[18:55:09] 	since every skin has its special goodies :P
[18:55:09] 	user.user_editcount?
[18:55:11] 	(Or where is the relevant code so I can look myself?)
[18:55:18] 	Annemarie: yes
[18:55:25] <^demon>	Annemarie: Afaik. The code you'll want is in includes/Autopromote.php
[18:55:31] 	All right. :-)
[18:55:32] 	Thanks.
[18:55:39] 	and User.php 
[18:58:22] 	mdale: $wgPhpCli should be set to $wgPhpCliPath for b/c
[18:58:32] 	(either by ref or in Setup.php)
[18:59:05] 	hmm
[18:59:46] 	the path seems to be more reliable since when issuing shell exec command
[19:00:30] 	ialex: does anything use $wgPhpCli 
[19:00:44] <^demon>	Whoo, $wgPhpCliPath is undocumented \o/
[19:01:13] 	mdale: try SiteStats, FlaggedRevs and  ConfirmAccount 
[19:01:18] 	oky
[19:01:47] 	(the first one is in includes/SiteStats.php)
[19:02:26] 	^demon: so document it!
[19:02:27] 	:)
[19:02:36] <^demon>	ialex: Where in SiteStats? I'm not seeing it.
[19:02:52] <^demon>	Only global I see there is $wgMemc.
[19:03:23] 	ah no, it includes initStats.php
[19:03:36] *ialex 	thought it was shelling out to it
[19:03:57] <^demon>	No, it wrapped ob_() crap around the CLI script that it included.
[19:04:10] <^demon>	(Which is fixed in maintenance-work, btw)
[19:04:30] 	^demon: I saw that :)
[19:05:09] <^demon>	I was going to rewrite the Update crap too, but I think I'll do that sometime later, rather than bundling that in this merge.
[19:05:46] 	update.php using a class for each database backend?
[19:05:50] 	\o/
[19:05:58] <^demon>	Yes :)
[19:06:02] 	(with common code of course)
[19:06:46] 	*shrugs*, I still need help with Friendly URL.
[19:07:24] 	mdale: extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ValidationStatistics_body.php
[19:07:36] 	oky
[19:08:55] 	hmm... so maybe I should just switch over to $wgPhpCli 
[19:09:41] 	mdale: I think so
[19:09:54] <^demon>	ialex: I think I might try a merge soon.
[19:10:33] 	oky.. i will have  $wgPhpCli  have the full path though.. since that seems to be slightly more compatible
[19:10:54] 	$ext = !empty($wgPhpCli) ? $wgPhpCli : 'php'; $commandLine = "$ext $path --wiki=$wiki > $devNull &";
[19:12:06] 	yea /usr/bin/php {pathToPhpFile} should work slightly more than php {pathToFile} 
[19:12:35] 	(where /usr/bin/php is configured during setup of course) 
[19:12:35] 	mdale: really, you need to check the files
[19:13:10] 	I can give you some examples if you need...
[19:13:47] 	also don't use ereg, split, and related POSIX function
[19:14:57] 	+s
[19:15:50] 	 -$lnk = $sk->linkKnown( +$lnk = $sk->makeKnownLinkObj( $file->getTitle(), '', 'redirect=no' );
[19:15:58] 	 -if( $this->mDesiredDestName != '' ) { +if( $this->mDesiredDestName ) {
[19:16:05] 	 -$pageText = '== ' . wfMsgForContent ( 'filedesc' ) . " ==\n" . $comment . "\n" . +$pageText = '== ' . wfMsg ( 'filedesc' ) . " ==\n" . $comment . "\n" .
[19:18:04] 	At work we use MediaWiki and CVS/CVSNT. CVS stores diffs of each revision of a file in a Unix Diff format. I want to create an extension that uses MW's history page and CVSNT, is it possible for the history page to use Unix diffs?
[19:18:26] 	03ashley * r53324 10/trunk/phase3/includes/upload/ (4 files): coding style cleanup for upload stuff
[19:24:07] 	and so he disappeared :)
[19:24:17] 	He was fun.
[19:34:20] 	so, i'm continuing with the restore of my wiki -- yesterday i downloaded 1.12.4 and copied all files to /w -- this fixed the corrupt unicode -- now i've diff'd my backup /w with the download and am trying to restore files i have changed -- i gather that the important localsettings file isn't included in the distribution so no worries -- is any file included in the distro which i should now delete outright?
[19:38:07] 	xiong, no, nothing needs to be deleted.
[19:38:24] 	E.g., config/ is useless now, but it will refuse to do anything if it detects that LocalSettings.php already exists, so you don't have to worry about it.
[19:38:56] 	Simetrical, config is exactly the sort of thing i thought i should delete
[19:39:03] 	It's not necessary.
[19:39:24] 	well, useless eats storage and mine is not unlimited
[19:39:53] 	things present in former /w are, of course, not overwritten
[19:40:12] 	so all that's left is to copy files i've edited
[19:41:45] 	03mrzman * r53325 10/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php: 
[19:41:45] 	Partial revert of r53320:
[19:41:45] 	isset() will return true even if its set to an empty array or false, so this broke more than it fixed,
[19:41:45] 	putting user contribs/logs links on articles, empty language sidebars, etc.
[19:41:45] 	I believe $pagecss was the only thing causing notices
[19:42:43] 	i'm seeing far more files-that-differ than i ever edited, though -- not sure what i should do with these
[19:43:20] 	no offense, Simetrical, but i think using 1.12.4 has caused me extra work
[19:43:38] 	Well, if you don't want security fixes you could reupload 1.12.0.
[19:43:42] 	But it's not a good idea.
[19:44:00] <^demon>	Is upgrading to 1.15.x not an option?
[19:44:09] 	If you want to check for differences more easily, download a separate copy of 1.12.0 to your local machine and compare against that instead.
[19:44:21] 	Remember that your files were corrupted, so of course some will differ that you didn't edit.
[19:44:30] 	If they didn't, you wouldn't have had this problem in the first place.  :)
[19:44:51] 	If all the UTF-8 got scrambled, then that should be everything in languages/messages/ at the very least, and probably a lot of other random files.
[19:44:59] 	There are plenty of files with UTF-8 in them.
[19:45:16] 	For the future, I would strongly recommend using a version control system of some kind so this isn't a problem.
[19:45:27] 	It makes a lot of things much easier, and is simple to do.
[19:45:38] 	Simetrical, i did the diff to 1.12.0
[19:45:50] 	Well, then you're probably seeing the file corruption.
[19:45:58] 	Just skim through it, and exclude the messages files.
[19:46:17] 	why diff? doesn't it make more sense to go through my old /w and just look for file mod dates?
[19:46:30] 	If those are still preserved, that might work as well.
[19:47:03] 	If you ever copied it, then it won't, unless your server allows you to do cp -a over FTP.  :)
[19:47:12] 	(or whatever means you're using for copying)
[19:47:44] 	hm
[19:48:03] 	this wiki is still on the same server where it was created
[19:49:24] 	for example, COPYING date is 2008-07-08; error_log date is 2008-08-30 -- i guess no error ever was raised since then
[19:50:41] 	all the distributed skins have the same date; my own skin, 'scenic', has a date four days later
[19:51:09] 	So then probably it would work, go ahead and try.
[19:51:45] 	the difficulty being that nautilus doesn't propagate file mod dates up through the folder tree -- folder mod dates don't change when files are changed
[19:52:30] 	even weirder, it looks like all the top folder mod dates are just plain wrong
[19:52:31] 	It's not nautilus, it's Unix.
[19:52:43] 	The ctime and mtime change in precisely-defined ways when you alter the file.
[19:52:49] 	nautilus is my window into my filesystem
[19:53:12] 	And it's just a wrapper around the kernel system calls, which are what handle stuff like changing modification dates.
[19:53:23] 	So it's not nautilus' decision.
[19:54:23] 	03dale * r53326 10/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php: more isset fixes
[19:54:24] 	well, that's not really key here -- tho i'm sure you're right -- what's key is drilling down to the actual later-date files -- i think i have to flip back and forth from diff to file browser to find likely prospects
[19:54:41] 	You could use something like find -mtime.
[19:55:24] 	find -mtime 365 to print all files changed in the last year, say.
[19:55:40] 	Figure out the install date and pick a number one day later than that.
[19:58:50] 	So, can anyone help me still with Friendly URL?
[19:59:04] 	FF|Skyrider, what?
[19:59:23] 	Simetrical, that's very useful looking
[19:59:41] 	hang on a sec :)
[19:59:43] 	i wish i could find a linux tutorial somewhere between 'idiot' and 'expert'
[20:00:33] 	xiong, I don't know, I mostly just picked it up.  A good tactic is to figure out what you want to do, and then figure out what command might do it.
[20:00:50] 	"apropos" can help sometimes.  Or even just trying "man random-relevant-name", a lot are named intuitively.
[20:01:05] 	"Hmm, I want to find something . . . man find; man locate; man search"
[20:01:19] 	Simetrical, I'm trying to get Friendly URL to work with mediawiki
[20:01:22] 	but I'm getting "Internal Server Error"
[20:01:27] 	FF|Skyrider, what is "Friendly URL"?
[20:02:40] 	Friendly URL.. how should I say it.. Make the URL's more friendly.
[20:02:46] 	ugga
[20:02:51] 	don't seem to be able to download the CheckUser extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/CheckUser: No such extension "CheckUser" The configured working copy directory has no distributable extensions! 
[20:02:53] 	Instead of.. www.wiki.com/index.php=Pagenamehere
[20:02:59] 	It'll be www.wiki.com/Pagenamehere
[20:03:07] 	Short URLs is what they're usually called.
[20:03:08] 	!shorturl
[20:03:08] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[20:03:18] 	Friendly URL, Short URL, should be all the same :)
[20:03:24] 	What instructions did you follow?  Apparently they're wrong.
[20:03:28] 	Try following some other instructions.
[20:03:31] 	I got multiple :-\
[20:03:33] 	There are lots to choose from.
[20:03:44] 	I wish to enable it for a Subdomain
[20:03:57] 	EG: http://wiki.xxxx.com/index.php=xxxxx
[20:04:06] 	etc
[20:04:07] 	:p
[20:04:15] 	That's not recommended.  Read the page I linked to for instructions.
[20:04:26] 	"not recommended"?
[20:04:31] 	Well, it will work.
[20:04:35] 	Mostly.
[20:04:38] 	but?
[20:04:40] 	But it has some potential pitfalls.
[20:04:49] 	How so and why :s
[20:04:49] 	Because it might conflict with the names of files that actually exist.
[20:05:02] 	So the root really means two things.
[20:05:13] 	what do my eyes see, Simetrical recommending against too short urls
[20:05:15] 	The recommended way is http://xxxx.com/wiki/Pagename
[20:05:21] 	Nikerabbit, I'm not saying he shouldn't do it.
[20:05:30] 	I'm saying it has some issues and it would be simpler not to.
[20:05:34] 	I never said otherwise.
[20:05:41] 	ie. not recommending
[20:05:59] 	Mind giving a detailed example?
[20:06:00] 	But not saying that anyone who does it is an idiot or even that they chose poorly.
[20:06:04] 	FF|Skyrider, of what?
[20:06:04] 	What exactly could go wrong?
[20:06:43] 	FF|Skyrider, you need to have the real files there too.  E.g., skin links will have to be at http://wiki.xxxx.com/skins/ or something.  So you can't have an article named "skins".
[20:06:51] 	Hmm, unless you put those on a different domain?
[20:06:58] 	That might work . . . it could get messy, though.
[20:07:01] 	. . . anyway.
[20:07:08] 	Do whatever you want, there are loads of tutorials, probably some of them work.
[20:07:23] 	I get the idea..
[20:07:29] 	The page name conflicts with the actual folder.
[20:07:37] 	and or file?
[20:07:54] 	Yes, it's possible.
[20:08:12] 	Things like README are more likely, unless you have $wgCapitalLinks = false.
[20:08:16] 	Which you probably don't.
[20:09:11] 	Though, how come it works then if it is in a sub folder?
[20:09:15] 	isn't that a bit the same?
[20:09:35] 	Simetrical, i'm not sure all this work is useful... my wiki works *almost* perfectly now; i think i confined (correctly) my hacking almost entirely to creating a new skin and editing localsettings, and also installing various extensions
[20:10:11] 	FF|Skyrider, no, because then you do http://xxxx.com/w/ for the actual files, and http://xxxx.com/wiki/ for the page titles, and you make sure wiki/ doesn't actually exist.
[20:10:24] 	Thus there can be no conflicts, unless someone creates the wiki/ dir.
[20:10:52] 	Possible I can put the files in a sub-directory, and use the main for the titles?
[20:11:29] 	As long as you know that subdirectory will never be an article's name, sure.
[20:11:51] 	It should be safe if you start the subdirectory's name with a lowercase letter and don't touch $wgCapitalLinks.
[20:11:52] 	Simetrical, the only issue i can see so far is this: http://beyondeuclid.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup -- perhaps you can tell me which file i hacked in order to get that html to render -- that may be all the repair i need to do, everything else looks good
[20:12:06] 	Hm.
[20:12:11] 	It will only have the possibility of messing up URLs that are manually typed or otherwise not generated by the software.
[20:12:33] 	xiong, probably includes/SpecialUserlogin.php.
[20:12:38] 	ah, ty
[20:12:39] 	I'd think it would be unnecessary, though.
[20:12:41] 	that's logical
[20:12:54] 	Can I move all the files without any conflicts?
[20:12:55] 	You should be able to have wikitext there by default, I'd have assumed.  Maybe not.
[20:13:00] 	well, see that page -- i have strong opinions about acceptable usernames
[20:13:09] 	Also, can I blacklist a wiki page name?
[20:13:18] 	FF|Skyrider, not any way I know of.
[20:13:34] 	xiong, you can use UsernameBlacklist to enforce that.  Possibly it even gives helpful error messages, I don't remember.
[20:14:36] 	i might do that -- my purpose is to display a rather pretty set of instructions to the user about to create an account -- validating is another issue
[20:14:46] 	It's fascinating what kinds of wikis we get in here.
[20:15:03] 	A wiki devoted to Euclidean geometry, who'd have thought?
[20:16:09] 	for some, a passion
[20:16:22] 	if only i had the time to work on it
[20:16:44] 	Most people have moved on to Cartesian geometry by now.  :P
[20:16:55] 	perfect!
[20:17:04] 	I moved all the files & folders to /w/
[20:17:09] 	put a index.php in the main root with a forward to /w/
[20:17:12] 	and enabled short url
[20:17:19] 	Seems to work just fine
[20:18:12] 	:D Thakns
[20:18:13] 	*Thanks
[20:18:51] 	Small "w" can't be created either.
[20:18:58] 	Forwards to the main site as it seems
[20:19:50] 	Simetrical, now that it's fixed, i think you'll see my intent --> http://beyondeuclid.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup
[20:20:06] 	and it *is* fixed, ty -- not sure i need do anything else
[20:21:30] 	xiong, at least note down in a file somewhere what you've changed.  Make a file called HACKS or something you can find the next time this comes up.
[20:22:21] 	oh, i have that -- a complete and detailed change log for the whole wiki, blow by blow, very careful i am
[20:23:25] 	only trouble is, i maintained that change log on my old machine, which is now powered down and in storage -- my old mac os9 box -- i'm chatting to you now from my new supercool ubuntu laptop
[20:23:47] 	go ahead, tell me i should have maintained the change log online somewhere --
[20:24:36] 	the change log is not the only file i need to scavenge from the old machine -- disaster this is
[20:24:53] 	Just keep it in the same directory as the wiki files.
[20:25:13] 	Then as long as you have the files you've changed, you know what you changed.
[20:25:14] 	trouble is, i can't  just copy all files from one to the other -- the most important work is in incompatible file formats
[20:25:17] 	If you don't have the files anymore, who cares?
[20:25:49] 	Hmm, Mac has a lot of weird file formats?  Most of them should be standard-ish, surely.
[20:25:52] 	the files are there; the box itself is stored -- i just have to get it set up again and spend some time scavenging from it
[20:26:10] 	well, i have done a great amount of work in macromedia freehand
[20:26:39] 	in fact, i don't see that i'll ever be able to replace that application with inkscape -- a revived mac box is in my future, i fear
[20:27:11] 	i'm seriously committed to the penguin life -- but i have a very large mac ball and chain on my leg
[20:27:31] 	decades of advanced graphics work...
[20:28:11] 	anyway, Simetrical, ty for your help in getting my wiki back on track -- i may not have much time for it these days but i don't want it to suck meanwhile
[20:28:19] 	03dale * r53327 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiUpload.php: fixed httpstatus boolean & updated error to use dieUsageMsg
[20:30:43] 	this now displays properly! -- http://beyondeuclid.com/wiki/Image:Tipped-can-isometric.jpg -- all hail Simetrical!
[20:30:59] 	mdale: got my message?
[20:31:13] 	03purodha * r53328 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/OldReviewedPages.i18n.php: Add forgotten GENDER to message.
[20:31:19] 	which one?
[20:31:43] 	latest? about reviewing the files
[20:35:36] 	hey, idea!? -- can create email accounts on the wiki domain automatically for each logged-in user?
[20:35:43] 	03raymond * r53329 10/trunk/extensions/freenodeChat/ (freenodeChat.i18n.php freenodeChat_body.php): 
[20:35:43] 	Follow-up r53297: fix special page name and encoding in 'it' messages
[20:35:43] 	Per chat with Marco27
[20:39:16] 	night
[20:40:12] 	Hi, I remember there was a page that detailed the specifications for writing php code for mediawiki, where can I find this?
[20:40:30] 	nvm
[20:40:32] 	found it sorry.
[20:42:54] <^demon>	Nikegrabbit: G'nite
[20:45:46] 	Mmmmm
[20:45:55] 	shame mediawiki has no per-page permission feature.
[20:45:57] 	inbuild.
[20:46:08] 	Protect it ;)
[20:46:24] 	I have multiple groups
[20:46:32] 	I wish to protect it and make it readable to a few groups only
[20:46:33] 	not al
[20:46:34] 	*all
[20:46:45] 	Namespaces?
[20:46:55] 	Then permissions on those namespaces
[20:47:21] 	hey all
[20:48:07] 	hi#
[20:49:23] 	i'm trying to do an upgrade of my mediawiki, but i'm getting the error: Can't contact the database server: mysqlnd cannot connect to mysql 4.1+ using old authentication (*server*))
[20:49:27] 	anyone else seeing that?
[20:50:08] 	Nope, what version of mysql you using? Is it running?
[20:50:14] 	4.1.22
[20:50:22] 	03dale * r53330 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HttpFunctions.php: restored bc for Http::request per comments on r53282
[20:50:27] 	What mw version?
[20:50:36] 	just loaded 1.15.1
[20:50:58] 	trying to run the update command but it fails, so i was trying other commands "refreshlist.php" gives me the above error
[20:51:39] 	whats the update fail with?
[20:52:42] 	"A connection to the database could not be established. Check the vaules of $wgDBadminuser and $wgDBadminpassword
[20:53:07] 	Have you got AdminSettings.php set?
[20:53:12] 	yup
[20:54:28] 	is PHP 5.3.0 supported by media wiki?
[20:55:43] 	Pass, though i'd suspect so... Might need to try pokign a dev is any are about..
[20:57:01] 	Theres a couple of bugs marked as PHP 5.3 bugs, but they're fixed... So i'd suspect so
[20:57:20] 	RoanKattouw, does MW support PHP 5.3? (Presumably it does)
[20:57:27] 	What file can I edit the text that shows up on the "Create account" page?
[20:57:48] 	Reedy: Yes; you might get a notice or warning here and there, but people have been running MW on PHP 5.3
[20:57:55] 	Otlichno, ^
[20:57:58] 	tpocra: It's a message you can edit on the wiki
[20:58:07] 	Go to Special:Allmessages to find out which one
[21:01:03] 	tpocra, i have a special interest in your question
[21:01:47] 	werdna, are you going to do the enwiki Main Page thing?
[21:02:15] 	in fact, i was just working on that very thing -- see my http://beyondeuclid.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup&returnto=Main_Page
[21:03:20] 	RoanKattouw: I want to add the message straight above the Username field
[21:03:48] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: I don't thing {} for string indexes have been changed to [] yet.
[21:04:39] 	tpocra: I think you wanna edit [[MediaWiki:Gotaccount]]
[21:11:08] 	03catrope * r53331 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HttpFunctions.php: Fix fatal in r53282
[21:12:45] 	03daniel * r53332 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (22 files in 10 dirs): prep: category processing, commons as pseudo-language
[21:13:33] 	RoanKattouw: Can I not have bold text here?
[21:13:49] 	I tried both  and '''but they just show up a raw text in the create account page
[21:13:51] 	quite lame
[21:14:02] 	03dale * r53333 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php: SpecialUpload page fixes related to notes on r53282 (xml function usage)
[21:15:10] 	03catrope * r53334 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HttpFunctions.php: Fix another fatal in r53282
[21:15:20] 	mdale: Please test your fixes before you commit them and don't leave obvious fatals in them, thanks ;)
[21:17:58] 	yea it appears I just put in the non-curl code without running things with curl disabled 
[21:18:36] 	(the fatals are not because of the fixes) 
[21:19:26] 	~ just fatals from before ~
[21:21:23] 	Right
[21:23:34] 	RoanKattouw: Can I style the text in these Special messages at all?
[21:24:05] 	In some of them you can
[21:24:06] 	ialex: is there a good template somewhere for how to structure the mwEmbed.i18n.php file? 
[21:24:11] 	Depends on the message
[21:24:53] 	mdale: what do you want to do ?
[21:25:41] 	looking at comment http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53282#c3209   ... how can I keep my language msgs in mwEmbed with the new language msg system?
[21:26:17] 	mdale: I think you can't
[21:26:22] 	:( 
[21:27:03] 	but there are stand-alone applications that use the script-loader and simple localization .... there ~must be a way~ 
[21:27:33] 	the problem is that wfLoadExtensionMessages() is now an no-op
[21:27:54] 	how are extensions working now? 
[21:27:56] 	localisation cache is rebuilt when it's needed
[21:28:07] 	with all extensions inside
[21:29:02] 	i.e. only when a .i18n.php file changed
[21:29:34] 	hmm and we can't add that path as another "extension" file to check? 
[21:30:22] 	this is checked only when loading the localsation cache
[21:30:35] 	adding a file later will be ignored
[21:30:47] 	and this can happen in Setup.php
[21:36:20] 	ok I was worried that uping to php 5.3 broke it worse, but sounds like it didn't
[21:37:43] 	reedy still around?
[21:42:33] 	ialex: it appears to "work fine"
[21:43:35] 	is there some configure option for the new msg cache or something?
[21:47:21] 	mdale: depend which extensions you have
[21:47:28] 	mdale: it may or it may not work
[21:47:46] 	I have no extensions in the branch I am currently testing with...
[21:47:57] 	that's why it works
[21:48:01] 	for you
[21:48:04] 	ic...
[21:48:33] 	for me, localisation cache is created by a function in $wgExtensionFunctions
[21:49:01] 	and since you add your file after it, it will not work
[21:50:07] 	maybe we have a $wgLocalExtensionMessagesFiles and that gets merged with $wgExtensionMessagesFiles in setup .. and I define it before require_once('includes/WebStart.php'); ?
[21:50:31] 	you can't define anything before WebStart.php
[21:51:03] 	since it'll include DefaultSettings.php, etc.
[21:51:12] 	03daniel * r53335 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (3 files in 3 dirs): link extraction: test cases and regressions
[21:53:03] 	ialex: right... (we would this entry Point language msg pointer to merged only before webStart and not in  DefaultSettings.php )
[21:53:21] 	sorry not clear...
[21:53:41] 	somebody know if we can see flagged rev list with API ?
[21:54:12] 	It's possible, but I don't know how
[21:54:17] 	Someone else wrote that module
[21:55:01] 	" ialex: for me, localisation cache is created by a function in $wgExtensionFunctions"  ... what extension is doing that? 
[21:55:17] 	mdale: LanguageSelector
[21:56:08] 	followed by CentralAuth
[21:58:04] 	TrevorParscal: what do you think about the search engine selector on en.wikipedia ?
[21:58:38] 	I don't like it
[21:58:41] 	:)
[21:58:53] 	TrevorParscal: i moved it to Advanced only now.
[21:59:20] 	that's good
[21:59:29] 	TrevorParscal: people are already getting angry of course, but i think it's an improvement.
[21:59:31] 	better than how it was, which was the oposite
[21:59:42] 	please change MediaWiki search to Wikipedia 
[21:59:50] 	that's our most prominent complaint
[21:59:58] 	"English Wikipedia" now :D
[22:00:30] 	it was one of the first things i noticed when trying to look at that with a newbie mask on :D
[22:00:34] 	"wtf is mediawiki ??"
[22:01:42] 	yeah
[22:01:55] 	ialex: ... well my proposed hack is add $wgExtensionMessagesFiles['mwEmbed'] = "{PATH}" to setup.php if your entry point is the script-server somewhere right before foreach ( $wgExtensionFunctions as $func ) {
[22:02:32] 	mdale: or add it in DefaultSettings.php
[22:02:47] 	well we want to conditionally add it no? 
[22:02:53] 	ie if $wgEnableScriptLoader 
[22:03:04] 	and if entry point == mwScriptLoader.php
[22:03:24] 	or is it better to just cache the msg all the time
[22:03:51] 	just a question: why do you need a separate file
[22:03:52] 	?
[22:03:59] 	cuz its a stand alone application... 
[22:04:13] 	like http://www.firefogg.org/make/index.html
[22:04:15] 	for example
[22:05:11] 	can't you have a script to update MessagesEn.php?
[22:05:12] 	or if you want to add ... remote media searching to your blog cms or add video tag usage with fallback to java cortado etc. 
[22:05:36] 	... yea it could be a script I suppose ~ .. but then we have the msgs in two places. 
[22:05:51] 	they are already in two places :)
[22:06:00] 	well 3 places right..
[22:06:25] 	but two places in multiple languages and 3 places in English 
[22:06:26] 	then you can delete mwEmbed.i18n.php
[22:07:22] 	but then someone can't check out the svn ... and have localization ... unless we store it twice... releases could re-package stuff... 
[22:07:52] 	If one or two lines of code could avoid that.. I think its worth while... 
[22:08:05] 	(avoid storing it in multiple places) 
[22:18:06] 	RoanKattouw: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Main%20Page&rvlimit=5&rvprop=ids|flagged Where is the flagged part?
[22:18:43] 	Annemarie: I have no idea; I didn't write that stuff
[22:19:03] 	Same.
[22:19:07] 	;-)
[22:19:29] 	Seems like a bug.
[22:22:07] 	some body know why we can't see the flag revs on this url ?
[22:22:08] 	http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Niels_Bohr&rvlimit=5&rvprop=ids|timestamp|user|comment|flagged
[22:22:29] 	Annemarie asked the same question about a minute ago
[22:23:13] 	Right.
[22:23:18] 	someone know how to make the error "Can't contact the database server: mysqlnd cannont connect to MySQL 4.1+ using old authentication"
[22:24:00] 	RoanKattouw: sorry,  rigth
[22:26:15] 	err how to make the error go away?
[22:27:22] *Betacommand 	goes to learn php to start coding MW
[22:27:47] 	anyone have an idea?
[22:28:51] 	Hi guys
[22:28:59] 	How do I edit the "Users" group?
[22:29:03] 	hi
[22:29:42] 	FF|Skyrider: define edit
[22:29:53] 	I wish to edit one of the permissions
[22:30:24] 	which one ? wanting to add/remove ?
[22:30:25] 	FF|Skyrider: Exactly which permission do you wanna add/remove?
[22:30:37] 	The ability to create pages
[22:31:19] 	Users should have that permission by default
[22:31:27] 	Although anonymous users might not
[22:31:41] 	they do in defaultsettings
[22:32:02] 	You must've configured it that way with a $wgGroupPermissions line in LocalSettings.php; simply remove that line
[22:32:39] 	Nope
[22:32:50] 	RoanKattouw, how do i get the update.php process to connect to mysql4.1.22? 
[22:32:52] 	Users is a default/existing usergroup
[22:32:55] 	03catrope * r53336 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt: Fix up r53308: fix up another parser test that I'd forgotten about
[22:32:57] 	doesn't exist in localsettings
[22:33:06] 	Otlichno: Does the wiki itself succeed in connecting?
[22:33:17] 	FF|Skyrider: Try adding $wgGroupPermissions['user']['create'] = true;
[22:33:21] 	not since the php upgrade to 5.3.0
[22:33:33] 	"create"?
[22:33:52] 	RoanKattouw: do i need to downgrade php?
[22:34:11] 	Otlichno: Did the PHP upgrade break it then?
[22:34:38] 	FF|Skyrider: You wanted users to be able to create pages, right? That's what 'create' is for
[22:35:11] 	no :p
[22:35:11] 	Otlichno, i am now
[22:35:18] 	I wanted the users to disable their ability.
[22:35:20] 	to create pages
[22:35:27] 	OK, then replace true with false
[22:35:45] 	But the users group already exists though
[22:35:59] 	Reedy/RoanKattouw: When I put the original version of wiki back with the upgrade of php 5.3 it gives me a parsing error in the namespace.php at line 49
[22:36:15] 	Which MW version is that?
[22:36:36] 	1.15.1
[22:36:46] 	1.12
[22:37:01] 	was the previous before atempting to upgrade
[22:37:04] 	ohh
[22:37:23] 	I think 1.12 is too old to be PHP 5.3-compatible
[22:37:42] 	ok, so downgrade php, upgrade mw, then upgrade php?
[22:37:59] 	You shouldn't need to down+upgrade PHP, at least in theory
[22:38:08] 	lol i love theory
[22:38:19] 	Don't you work for MS? ;)
[22:38:19] 	You can at least try it without first
[22:38:30] 	ok so copy over the MW 1.15.0 over the top of 1.12?
[22:38:38] 	Reedy: shhh i don't know what makes you think that ;)
[22:38:39] 	1.15.1 is the most recent one
[22:38:43] 	!upgrade | Otlichno 
[22:38:43] --mwbot--	Otlichno: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[22:38:46] 	or rather 1.15.1
[22:38:58] 	Yeah, copy it on top, then run maintenance/update.php
[22:39:00] 	Otlichno, you must know about weird things that happen then ;)
[22:39:16] 	yea i know lots of weird things :)
[22:40:13] 	ok extracting
[22:41:01] 	how do i make it put up actions in IRC?
[22:41:09] 	actions?
[22:41:12] 	/me whatever?
[22:41:14] *Reedy 	does something
[22:41:35] *Otlichno 	trying update.php again
[22:42:10] 	03dale * r53337 10/trunk/phase3/ (12 files in 6 dirs): 
[22:42:10] 	* addressed r53282#c3209 moved conditional inclusion of $wgExtensionMessages in mwScriptLoader.php to Setup.php
[22:42:10] 	* put a @ in front of get_headers() should hopefully avoid errors where allow_url_fopen=0
[22:42:10] 	* combined $wgPhpCliPath into the similar used $wgPhpCli var
[22:42:10] 	* minor js & example file mwEmbed fixes
[22:42:22] 	same error on update, "A connection to the database could not be established. Check the vaule of $wgDBadminuser and $wgDBadminpassword
[22:43:30] 	mdale: btw, apparently that rev has been breaking setups without CURL
[22:43:41] 	yea...
[22:43:44] 	some fixes got added
[22:43:46] 	there are some basic bugs in HttpFunctions indicating that that part of the code has probably not been tested at all.
[22:44:03] 	(i did not test the non-curl path in a long time.. and refactoring broke it) 
[22:44:15] <^demon>	mdale: Maybe check for allow_url_fopen and fail gracefully instead of supressing errors?
[22:45:43] 	^demon: yea...could still "work" if they have curl on...
[22:45:58] 	but yea should do a curl version of get_headers
[22:47:00] 	first should get non-curl stuff working... since I piratically forgot about that piece of code.. 
[22:47:01] <^demon>	I'm wondering if there's any other sane fallbacks instead of just curl & file_get_contents.
[22:47:31] 	socket ?  shell ?
[22:47:34] 	there are other options
[22:48:01] 	but lots of options means lots of paths for failure ;) 
[22:48:01] <^demon>	Socket wouldn't be bad, potentially. But not something that needs doing *this minute* :)
[22:49:04] 	03demon * r53338 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialAllmessages.php: 2nd followup to r53286, indentation fixes.
[22:51:43] 	03demon * r53339 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: (bug 18821) Delete unused fetchAllRevisions(), which doesn't do what it says anyway.
[22:55:43] 	03simetrical * r53340 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: Remove some XML cruft from HTML 5
[22:56:41] 	Otlichno: So check the values of those vars in AdminSettings.php
[22:56:43] 	See also
[22:56:45] 	!upgrade
[22:56:45] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[22:59:15] 	verified its there and good, and looked there on the site, nothing says anything about the issue i am seeing
[23:00:46] 	03dale * r53341 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (specials/SpecialUpload.php upload/UploadFromUrl.php): Some Strict Standards fixes per r53282 c3194
[23:02:06] 	downgraded to php 5.2.1 and its working now
[23:02:23] 	the update did
[23:03:06] 	site is working now :)
[23:11:37] 	03dale * r53342 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiUpload.php: fixed error msg
[23:16:04] 	03dale * r53343 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiBase.php: other part of the r53342 commit
[23:18:17] 	wikibugs appears to be down
[23:18:31] <^demon>	Betacommand: I've been complaining all afternoon :-\
[23:18:53] 	^demon: who controls it?
[23:23:41] *^demon 	shrugs
[23:25:31] 	werdna: do you know who runs wikibugs IRC bot?
[23:36:30] 	03demon * r53344 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 6 dirs): (bug 18708) CSS plainlinks class now available to all skins
[23:59:50] 	Enabling uploads for anon users? I thought it would be as easy as $wgGroupPermissions['*']['upload'] = true; but that seems not to be the case...