[00:01:25] <Simetrical>	I don't think that's supported, actually.
[00:01:33] <Simetrical>	For some reason.
[00:01:38] <Simetrical>	I could be wrong, though.
[00:02:44] <^demon>	Yeah, there's something odd about it.
[00:02:55] <^demon>	(That and the whole anon-logging issue)
[00:03:14] <alxndr>	anon-logging issue?
[00:03:32] <Simetrical>	I don't see anything in SpecialUpload.php that prohibits it, but that's trunk.
[00:03:47] <Simetrical>	alxndr, currently I don't think our logging table supports logged events by anonymous users.
[00:03:55] <alxndr>	ah
[00:04:37] <alxndr>	Thanks, I gotta run, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something totally obvious. I'll probably be back to bug you all tomorrow.
[00:44:23] <^demon>	atglenn: Do you know who can check on wikibugs? It's been dead all afternoon.
[00:44:43] <atglenn>	hmm
[00:45:39] <atglenn>	well possibly me (but only if you tell me what the host is :-D)
[00:46:43] <^demon>	atglenn: Ah, docs here: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Wikibugs
[00:47:18] <atglenn>	let me see if I know anything about it and/or could easily poke it
[00:48:13] <^demon>	Thanks :)
[00:50:29] <atglenn>	weirdly the host it should be running on shows it running
[00:51:07] <atglenn>	this is out of my expertise
[00:53:18] <atglenn>	you will have to check with werdna or someone else later.. I am sorry
[00:59:16] <^demon>	atglenn: Thanks for checking. Will ping somebody when I see them (werdna, you around?)
[00:59:42] <atglenn>	sorry.. I don't even see what script start it, or I'd just try a restart and see
[00:59:45] <atglenn>	good luck 
[01:18:40] <CIA-56>	03tparscal * r53346 10/trunk/extensions/FundraiserPortal/ (38 files in 3 dirs): 
[01:18:40] <CIA-56>	Added templates for portals, and brough some of the styles in which were decided
[01:18:40] <CIA-56>	on over on meta
[01:18:40] <CIA-56>	(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2009/Donation_buttons_upgrade).
[01:18:40] <CIA-56>	Still a small bug in Ruby when scaling text up - and I have not tested these in
[01:18:43] <CIA-56>	many browsers yet...
[01:27:25] <Triplestop>	hi, how can I get APC on windows?
[02:13:21] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, did Tim die? :(
[02:19:18] <Simetrical>	Emufarmers, the funeral was this morning, where were you?
[02:19:55] <Emufarmers>	There's something seriously wrong with this channel when Simetrical is the one making the jokes o:
[02:20:19] <Simetrical>	Why do people always think I'm humorless?  Other than because I am, that's not a fair reason.
[02:20:20] <Splarka>	Simetrical: please stay on topic, this are serious channel
[02:20:31] *Splarka 	tries to keep a straight face
[02:20:38] *Simetrical 	bends Splarka's face
[02:20:55] <Emufarmers>	Simetrical: didn't you describe yourself as a robot the other day? :D
[02:21:09] <Emufarmers>	Also, I was at my new internship that I got through a Wikipedia meetup!  So don't let anybody tell you that Wikipedia is a waste of time.
[02:21:19] <Simetrical>	Emufarmers, . . . maybe.  But you can't prove it.  At least without cheating and resorting to channel logs, or other forms of proof.
[02:21:37] *Simetrical 	tends to be sillier when he's tired.
[02:22:38] <Splarka>	oh btw, you silently broke mwsuggest by removing is_khtml (as it calls for it in a try{} with silent return failure)
[02:22:50] <Splarka>	but mdale fixed it by accidentally overwriting everything on branch merge
[02:22:58] <^demon>	btw I want someone to fix wikibugs :-\
[02:24:49] <thedj>	as in the bot i guess....
[02:25:09] <Simetrical>	Splarka, is_khtml is a spectacularly broken sniffing feature.  It was originally designed to match KHTML five years ago, and now matches every version of KHTML *and* WebKit released since.
[02:25:27] <Simetrical>	Removing it is a positive thing, it means people will notice where their scripts were broken.
[02:25:50] <Simetrical>	Oh, it was re-added, I thought that was fixed.
[02:25:51] <Splarka>	sure, but ya shoulda grepped /phase3 and /extensions for usages
[02:26:01] <Simetrical>	I thought I did.
[02:26:01] <Splarka>	it was /accidentally/ readded
[02:26:09] <Simetrical>	Yes, but I thought it was removed.
[02:26:15] <Splarka>	oh, dunno
[02:26:23] <Splarka>	should probably be reverted, trunk is super broken
[02:26:49] <^demon>	Splarka: Which is why I'm holding off on my merge. I'm waiting for trunk to be semi-stable again.
[02:27:24] <Simetrical>	Moral: don't use branches.
[02:27:53] <Splarka>	hmm, 3 matches in phase3: wikibits, prefs, mwsuggest
[02:28:01] <Simetrical>	I don't see it in prefs.
[02:28:05] <^demon>	Simetrical: Which is why I'm merging what I've got now, rather than finishing it and then merging.
[02:28:36] <Splarka>	Sim: werdna removed it on trunk
[02:28:41] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=53189
[02:29:11] <Splarka>	but it is still in mwsuggest.js
[02:29:35] <Simetrical>	It looks like that should be checking whether the box actually overflows, instead of doing UA detection.
[02:30:01] <Simetrical>	I'm not clear on why it needs overflow-x instead of just overflow.
[02:30:12] <Splarka>	yah, it is usually generally a lot better to check for conditions rather than UA, but not always possible
[02:30:23] <Splarka>	dunno, pokle rainman ^_^
[02:30:51] <^demon>	Whoo, patch for maintenance-work is 14000+ lines
[02:31:41] <Simetrical>	What the heck?  Why is this absolutely positioned using a pixel value . . . ?
[02:33:23] <Simetrical>	I see, it needs overflow-y: auto for the scroll bar.
[02:34:13] <Splarka>	ahh, and there isn't a good way to hard-hard-superhard-force-wrap non-breaking text in FF
[02:34:38] <Simetrical>	Splarka, would it be possible in JS to directly tell whether overflow-x is supported?
[02:34:41] <Splarka>	though they could perhaps insert zero width breaking spaces between each letter in JS
[02:34:50] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:35:05] <Splarka>	I don't think so:/
[02:35:26] <Simetrical>	You can't apply the rule and then try retrieving a list of applied rules or something?
[02:35:37] <Splarka>	you can assign any arbitrary properties to the .style object AFAIK
[02:35:52] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:36:20] *Splarka 	tests
[02:36:22] <Emufarmers>	apergos/atglenn: I know this isn't your thing, but in light of Tim's untimely demise, could you check on the SVN whatevermajig that Special:ExtensionDistributor relies on?
[02:37:48] <apergos>	hello... er, what?
[02:38:00] <Splarka>	  var foo = document.getElementById('foo');foo.style.overflowFoo = 'auto';alert(foo.style.overflowFoo);
[02:38:01] <apergos>	let me check my mail and stuff first, ok?  I just got in. then, if you 
[02:38:11] <apergos>	tell me what I am looking for, I can see
[02:38:12] <Splarka>	Simetrical: that echoes back as is, so not much good
[02:38:16] <apergos>	(but it may be out ofmy area)
[02:39:33] <Emufarmers>	apergos: er, sorry; no rush.  Just http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor which is running http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ExtensionDistributor  It's been saying that it's "Unable to contact remote subversion client." for the last day+
[02:39:55] <Simetrical>	Splarka, does this work?  typeof el.style.overflowX == 'string';
[02:40:39] <Splarka>	returns 'true'
[02:40:48] <Simetrical>	Even when it's not supported?
[02:40:58] <Splarka>	yes
[02:41:08] <Splarka>	for .style.overflow, .style.overflowX, and .style.overflowFoobar
[02:41:19] <Splarka>	totally arbitrary
[02:41:32] *Splarka 	wonders if there is another method
[02:41:34] <Simetrical>	http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2009/05/a_note_on_testi.html
[02:42:23] <GreenReaper>	Nobody uses meta keywords nowadays, right? ;-)
[02:44:02] <Splarka>	dear brother Green, I afear that thine noble quest to purge our humble village of witches hath gone a bit too far
[02:44:26] <Splarka>	for ift all our daughters be put to the flame, we have naught for to give us grandchildren
[02:44:49] <GreenReaper>	Not looking to submit it to Mediawiki's bugzille just yet. But I'm not seeing a hugely compelling reason for it to be there.
[02:45:17] <Emufarmers>	Whassat?
[02:45:24] <Simetrical>	Splarka, if there's a 'foo' element on the page, this returns "undefined", "string" for me.  var foo = document.getElementById('foo'); alert(typeof foo.style.overflowFoo); alert(typeof foo.style.overflowX);
[02:45:52] <Splarka>	oh, I thought you meant define it first
[02:45:52] <GreenReaper>	Google say they don't use them. Yahoo might, but given that the current keywords are all in the title or the content *anyway* . . .
[02:45:53] *Splarka 	tries that
[02:47:04] <Splarka>	  alert(typeof foo.style.overflowFoo); alert(typeof foo.style.overflowX); alert(typeof foo.style.overflow);
[02:47:09] <Splarka>	gives undefined/undefined/string
[02:47:13] <Splarka>	(earlier tests were per <Simetrical> You can't apply the rule and then try retrieving)
[02:47:13] <Simetrical>	What browser?
[02:47:18] <Splarka>	Mozilla
[02:47:28] <Simetrical>	What version?  One that actually supports overflow-x, or not?
[02:47:35] <Splarka>	0.6
[02:47:40] <Simetrical>	Um, so that's no?
[02:47:59] <Splarka>	it does not support overflow-x
[02:48:13] <Splarka>	so that test works for mozilla/firefox I guess
[02:48:18] <Simetrical>	Is there some easy way to get a random element to check with?  I'd expect document.body.style.overflowX to be what I want, but it seems it's not.
[02:48:20] <Splarka>	as long as it hasn't been asigned already
[02:48:28] *Simetrical 	needs to actually learn JavaScript someday :P
[02:48:30] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:48:38] *Splarka 	too
[02:48:53] <Splarka>	lemme try something
[02:49:12] <Splarka>	  var foo = document.createElement('div'); alert(typeof foo.style.overflowFoo); alert(typeof foo.style.overflowX); alert(typeof foo.style.overflow);
[02:49:19] <Splarka>	that works for me, undefined/undefined/string
[02:49:43] <Splarka>	you could just do that and then discard the element (or more appropriately, use it as the output box)
[02:50:37] <Simetrical>	Oh, document.body works.  I just didn't have a <body> in my test page.  :D
[02:50:55] <Splarka>	well, better to test what you're going to apply it to
[02:51:07] <Simetrical>	It's a helper function, no easy access to that.
[02:51:11] <Simetrical>	Hopefully it will make no difference.
[02:51:45] <Splarka>	well, it doesn't have to be a helper function
[02:52:15] <apergos>	wtf I can't even see a web process running over there
[02:52:21] <apergos>	must be missing something obvious
[02:52:54] <Splarka>	hmm, well maybe it does, but I guess you could pass the element as a parameter
[02:53:20] <Simetrical>	Shouldn't matter, right?
[02:53:38] <Splarka>	dunno, maybe some wacky browser supports overflow-x on body but not elsewhere ^_^
[02:54:01] <Splarka>	just seems asking for trouble to be checking something unrelated (same problem with using is_khtml)
[02:54:18] <Simetrical>	I'd assume it's about as reliable as checking on the element itself.
[02:54:19] <Emufarmers>	apergos: well, there not being a web process running would explain why it's not finding anything to connect to :D
[02:54:46] <Simetrical>	If this works at all, it will be because browsers that support overflow-x have an overflowX JavaScript property on all HTML elements.
[02:55:10] <apergos>	no, I mean I can't find what's serving pages over there
[02:55:11] <Splarka>	mmm, well before you commit it, you should have some various opera users test it
[02:55:15] <apergos>	but clearly it is
[02:55:24] <apergos>	this might be a sign that I should pack it in for the evening :-P
[02:55:43] <Emufarmers>	apergos: oh well.  Thanks for taking a look. :)
[02:55:58] <apergos>	sorry to be of no use whatsoever :-D
[02:57:23] <Simetrical>	Splarka, nah, they can do that after I commit it.
[02:57:38] <Splarka>	eeevil
[02:58:20] <Simetrical>	Heck, it's just some padding heuristic.
[02:58:26] <Simetrical>	What will happen, a bit of text will overflow somewhere?
[02:58:33] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r53347 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/mwsuggest.js: (log message trimmed)
[02:58:33] <CIA-56>	Use capability testing instead of UA sniffing
[02:58:33] <CIA-56>	This should theoretically work fine, but I'm admittedly not *totally*
[02:58:33] <CIA-56>	sure what this is supposed to do, so I haven't actually tested it. The
[02:58:33] <CIA-56>	old behavior was almost certainly wrong, though: is_khtml was returning
[02:58:36] <CIA-56>	true for all WebKit, and non-ancient WebKit definitely supports
[02:58:38] <CIA-56>	overflow-x. Robert Stojnic/rainman should take a look at this to make
[02:58:45] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r53348 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js: (log message trimmed)
[02:58:45] <CIA-56>	Remove is_khtml again
[02:58:46] <CIA-56>	This variable is completely misnamed, since it matches WebKit as well.
[02:58:48] <CIA-56>	It's also almost certainly completely useless, since the probability of
[02:58:52] <CIA-56>	some bug existing in all versions of KHTML/WebKit past, present, and
[02:58:54] <CIA-56>	future is approximately zero. Use capability testing if at all
[02:58:56] <CIA-56>	possible; and if it's not possible, then at least check "browser X
[03:00:49] <Simetrical>	Splarka, it's much easier to tell people "check out trunk and try it" than "check out trunk, try applying this patch, resolve any conflicts, and try it".
[03:00:50] <Simetrical>	:)
[03:01:37] <apergos>	lvs4?  
[03:01:40] *apergos 	shakes head
[03:01:47] <apergos>	nope, can't figure it out, giving up. 
[03:01:56] <apergos>	off to fight vandalism, what a day
[03:02:55] <Splarka>	Simetrical: but you can set up a test page and go to #wikipedia and say "OMG mwsuggst broken, I need opera fans!"
[03:03:02] <Splarka>	(too late)
[03:03:18] <Simetrical>	Splarka, that's a great idea.  How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/?
[03:03:28] <Simetrical>	BTW, the change affects WebKit too.
[03:04:04] <Splarka>	Simetrical: you're one of those "test it against a billion people a day" types aren't you
[03:04:53] <Splarka>	Simetrical: why did you re-patch wikibits.js? that should be the responsibility of mdale to re-merge correctly
[03:04:58] <Simetrical>	Hey, give me paid testers who have to test what I tell them and I'll take that.  Otherwise, heck if I'm going to waste my time begging people to volunteer when I can just test it out on trunk.
[03:05:07] <Splarka>	since he basically reverted it to the pre-branch state
[03:05:12] <Simetrical>	He did re-merge it correctly, I think, or someone did.
[03:05:16] <Simetrical>	Just not the is_khtml thing.
[03:05:31] <Splarka>	then it wasn't correctly, was it
[03:05:41] <Simetrical>	r53285
[03:08:24] <Splarka>	hmm
[03:08:53] <Splarka>	looks like he last svn:merge'd his wikibits.js 6 days, 4 hours ago
[03:09:34] <Splarka>	so probably these were the only changes he meant to introduce: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?r1=52886&r2=53282
[03:09:37] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r53349 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js: 
[03:09:37] <CIA-56>	Whitespace fixes
[03:09:37] <CIA-56>	Remember to pass -w to svn blame! (Or -x -wu, or whatever svn blame
[03:09:37] <CIA-56>	wants.)
[03:10:00] *MrZ-man 	goes looking for some fun bugs
[03:10:05] <Simetrical>	Okay, past 11 PM, beddy-bye time for me.  Good night, stab me for breaking everything in the morning.
[03:10:05] <Splarka>	his actual changes were: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?r1=53143&r2=53282
[03:10:17] <Splarka>	and, /including/ the followup fix, his actual changes were: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js?r1=53143&r2=53285
[03:10:34] <Splarka>	so he also seems to have regressed the is_opera_95 bit too
[03:11:28] <Splarka>	Simetrical? am I reading that right?
[03:11:41] *Splarka 	tsks
[03:20:22] <MrZ-man>	hmm, someone screwed up logs
[03:22:06] <MrZ-man>	# (show/hide) 20:54, 10 June 2009 Mr.Z-man (Talk | contribs | block) moved <a href="/w/index.php?title=Test&amp;redirect=no" class="mw-redirect" title="Test">Test</a> to <a href="/wiki/Test2" title="Test2">Test2</a> ‎ (revert) 
[03:32:52] <Ryan_Lane>	is svn down, or am I just having issues?
[03:33:00] <GreenReaper>	Splarka: OK, I lied: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19761
[03:33:13] <GreenReaper>	(and yes, I messed the first paragraph up, doh)
[03:33:23] <Splarka>	MrZ-man: I think http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53173 did it? maybe?
[03:33:30] <MrZ-man>	yes, I found that
[03:33:33] <Splarka>	k
[03:33:52] <Splarka>	Ryan_Lane: does seem down
[03:33:58] <Ryan_Lane>	doh :(
[03:34:32] <Splarka>	nagios-wm going a bit spammy in -tech, never a good sign
[03:35:40] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: probably should be optional, for some wikis that might want it or something
[03:35:59] <Splarka>	(per your secondtolast paragraph)
[03:36:09] <MrZ-man>	ssh: connect to host svn.wikimedia.org port 22: Network is unreachable :(
[03:36:09] <GreenReaper>	I'd be fine with optional. For all I know, some have internal search engines that index it and actually find that useful.
[03:36:44] <GreenReaper>	but major WWW search engines? I highly doubt it, and for our impelmentation, it's worse than useless since the keywords we use are already there.
[04:45:20] *MrZ-man 	waits for SVN to come back up
[05:05:34] <Nikerabbit>	MrZ-man: me too :<
[05:37:47] <Nikerabbit>	ashley: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User_talk:Nike&diff=1305357&oldid=1285321&curid=1046
[05:38:02] <Nikerabbit>	ashley: you probably know better than I
[05:39:24] <Nikerabbit>	lovely, wmf has problems, wikibugs is down, svn is down, ed is down... :o
[06:12:49] <rigid>	ahoy
[06:13:48] <rigid>	i've a really strange problem with BreadCrumbs and MW1.15.1 (fresh install) http://boogiepalace.hopto.org/stuff/1247724772934323208.png
[06:14:14] <rigid>	those "/<internalfile>" are mixed in and I can't debug why
[06:14:30] <Nikerabbit>	hehe
[06:15:13] <rigid>	is this a known bug? it's happening even with BreadCrumbs.php versions that were working previously in another MW install
[06:15:51] <rigid>	i'm almost thinking it might be a mySQL/php bug... :-/
[06:16:08] <Nikerabbit>	nah
[06:16:14] <Nikerabbit>	the extension is just broken
[06:16:24] <rigid>	really?
[06:16:43] <rigid>	Nikerabbit: i thought it's the "quasi-standard-breadcrumb" extension?
[06:16:52] <Nikerabbit>	it looks like it hasn't been updated for a while... maybe you should contact the author
[06:17:08] <Nikerabbit>	since svn is down I can't check it right now
[06:17:22] <rigid>	yep... it was up 12 hrs ago
[06:18:34] <Nikerabbit>	rigid: you are not using pretty urls are you?
[06:19:16] <rigid>	Nikerabbit: why? not that i know of :)
[06:29:02] <yoyo[RKN]>	moin
[07:19:02] <Splarka>	Hmm, [[#foo|bar]] creates <a href="#foo">bar</a>, I thought it used to had had a title=""... (and if not,it should anyway)
[07:22:28] <Annemarie>	Wouldn't that disrupt the other anchor if it's referring to a header?
[07:42:40] <Splarka>	wat?
[07:42:40] <Splarka>	in MediaWiki, I quite like that every link (almost) has a title="", some sites only title external links, and some only title internal (where is the logic in either of those?), but MW does both... except in some odd cases like this (self link)
[07:42:40] <Splarka>	very handy for lazy mouseover, when in Fll mode
[07:42:40] <Annemarie>	I'm thinking of id, I think.
[07:42:40] *Annemarie 	sleeps.
[07:42:40] <CIA-56>	03jojo * r53350 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.hooks.php Collection.php): use SkinTemplateToolboxEnd hook instead of MonoBookToolboxEnd
[07:54:20] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r53351 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Localization update for he, and whitespace fixes + matching fileappenderror to the other messages in en.
[08:05:36] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r53352 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: Fixing the check for Configure extension, so that it considers wgConfigureExtDir if defined, rather than crashing.
[08:05:36] <CIA-56>	03catrope * r53353 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiMain.php): Revert r52190 ("Return HTTP 503 on API maxlag error"): announcement prompted many complaints, and the change never went live.
[08:39:50] <CIA-56>	03catrope * r53354 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.i18n.php: (bug 19756) Remove {{Reflist}} from toolbar help; wikis can re-add it if they want to by customizing MediaWiki:edittoolbar-help-content-showreferences-syntax
[08:55:26] <TimRedburn>	Hello
[08:55:32] <TimRedburn>	I was looking for some help with file uploads
[08:57:16] <TimRedburn>	Is there a way to link directly to an upload rather than going through the page for it?
[08:57:29] <Nikerabbit>	[[media:foo.ogg]] ?
[08:58:16] <Nikerabbit>	aww but that still goes to the page
[08:58:35] <RoanKattouw>	[[Special:Filepath/foo.ogg]]?
[08:58:48] <RoanKattouw>	That should HTTP redirect to the file itself
[08:59:07] <Nikerabbit>	isn't there also {{#filepath:}} ?
[08:59:31] <Splarka>	heh
[08:59:39] <Splarka>	all do slightly different things
[08:59:55] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah but that'd create an external link
[08:59:57] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/16474
[09:00:17] <svip>	Test Wikipedia is crazy.
[09:01:48] <Nikerabbit>	let's do the hampster dance
[09:02:02] <svip>	Sure.
[09:02:51] <svip>	Let's all do the same thing.
[09:02:51] <Splarka>	oh, RoanKattouw/svip: 
[09:03:25] <Splarka>	[15:27:24] <svip>	Well, we still have that "invalid title in result set;" quirk.
[09:03:25] <Splarka>	[15:29:02] <RoanKattouw>	svip: Invaild titles are caused by DB corruption
[09:03:25] <Splarka>	see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16965
[09:03:25] <svip>	Yes yes.
[09:03:25] <RoanKattouw>	Ah yes
[09:03:26] <Splarka>	this should be fixed in 1.15.1
[09:03:26] <Splarka>	svip: repeating for roan
[09:03:26] <svip>	I read roan as moan there fore a second.
[09:03:26] <svip>	Oddly enough, the sentence still made sense.
[09:03:29] <svip>	for*
[09:03:32] <Splarka>	roan will moan when thrown a bone
[09:07:59] *RoanKattouw 	points out that his name actually doesn't rhyme to those words
[09:07:59] <Splarka>	more like english Rowan?
[09:08:00] <RoanKattouw>	But then the folks at the office did pronounce them that way, and I allowed them
[09:08:00] *Splarka 	can't pronounce hollandaise
[09:08:00] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah a bit more like that
[09:08:00] <RoanKattouw>	heh, you should've heard Trevor try, that was hilarious
[09:08:00] <Splarka>	"Ruin" ?
[09:08:00] <RoanKattouw>	Even more so considering the fact that he read stuff from Google Translate, whose results are sufficiently hilarious when not butchered by someone who doesn't have a clue about Germanic languages
[09:08:00] <TimRedburn>	Thanks guys, that really helped
[09:08:01] <TimRedburn>	I was totally unable to find it by Googling though :S
[09:10:41] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: No. I guess it would've helped if I knew IPA :)
[09:10:42] <svip>	Blame Google.
[09:10:42] <svip>	There is a Wikipedia about it, I think.
[09:10:42] <svip>	article
[09:12:54] <svip>	Man, what is a notable wiki?
[09:12:58] <svip>	I bet it's one about furries.
[09:14:16] <Splarka>	is that rhetorical or interogatory?
[09:14:31] <svip>	Both.
[09:14:48] <Splarka>	http://s23.org/wikistats/
[09:15:04] <svip>	So there are only 20 notable wikis.
[09:15:05] <svip>	Ah.
[09:15:07] <Splarka>	"Of what measure is a wiki"
[09:15:44] <Splarka>	you might find some odd divisions there
[09:26:14] <svip>	Divisions?
[09:26:14] <Splarka>	as in, that first list: all wikipedias, all mediawikis not grouped otherwise, all wiktionaries, all wikia wikis, all wikisources, etc
[09:29:56] <svip>	Oh yes.
[09:29:56] <svip>	I can't compete with that.
[09:29:56] <svip>	We're just a lousy niche wiki.
[09:29:56] <Splarka>	very odd that wikifur is split from 'mediawikis', maybe there is like a 9 wiki threshhold
[09:29:56] <svip>	Can't compete with the Private MediaWikis either!
[09:29:56] <svip>	We only have 1378 good articles.
[09:29:57] <svip>	I think.
[09:29:57] <Splarka>	did you opt in to s23?
[09:29:57] <svip>	I did not.
[09:29:57] <svip>	I am a bit surprised about the fact that Futurama gets so little interest.
[09:29:57] <svip>	I had expected more.
[09:29:57] <svip>	I mean, many memes have developed out of Futurama.
[09:29:57] <svip>	I mean;
[09:29:58] <svip>	!morbo
[09:29:58] --mwbot--	http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/330/morbomediawikiaf9.jpg
[09:29:58] <svip>	Work damnit.
[09:29:58] <svip>	:(
[09:29:58] <svip>	Splarka: What happened to that bot?
[09:30:00] <Splarka>	ran out of alcohol
[09:30:00] <svip>	Damn robots.
[09:30:00] *Splarka 	orders it an ethanol and tonic
[09:33:24] <svip>	Heh.
[09:33:24] <Splarka>	the logs only go up to [09:15:44] <Splarka>	you might find some odd divisions there
[09:33:24] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: mwbot-clone on standby, maybe
[09:33:24] <svip>	O_O DUN
[09:33:24] *Splarka 	casts Summon Flexo
[09:33:24] <Splarka>	huh, it just got another line
[09:33:25] <Splarka>	so maybe it is just lagging
[09:33:25] *Nikerabbit 	casts Splarka 
[09:33:25] <Splarka>	eeeeeee I'm flying!
[09:33:25] <svip>	Do you ever visit our wiki, Splarka?
[09:33:25] <Nikerabbit>	he visits it every hour of the day
[09:34:02] <svip>	O_O
[09:34:02] <Splarka>	haha
[09:34:02] <Splarka>	svip: generally I don't visit wikis except on WMF (and tvtropes)
[09:34:02] <Splarka>	[mwbot PING reply]: 6mins 42secs
[09:34:02] <ialex>	ouch
[09:34:11] <Splarka>	see the logs: http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20090716.txt
[09:34:21] <Splarka>	notice at 09:15 to 09:26
[09:37:19] <Splarka>	IRC or toolserver lag?
[09:37:19] <Nikerabbit>	:D
[09:37:20] <svip>	:( I hate being ill.
[09:42:51] <bauklotz>	hi
[09:46:28] <Nikerabbit>	uga
[09:46:28] <bauklotz>	i'd like to authenticate to mediawiki with username and password in the URL as POST (or GET for debugging)
[09:46:29] <bauklotz>	how can I do that?
[09:49:36] <RoanKattouw>	!api | bauklotz 
[09:49:36] --mwbot--	bauklotz: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[09:49:36] <svip>	o_o Uhm.
[09:50:14] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait, mwbot is slow as hell
[09:50:14] <RoanKattouw>	bauklotz: Use the API login module
[09:50:56] <bauklotz>	mhh
[09:50:56] <bauklotz>	I already read sth about that
[09:50:57] <bauklotz>	is the api module already "installed" in a standard installation?
[09:50:57] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[09:50:57] <bauklotz>	nice
[09:50:57] <RoanKattouw>	Provided you're not running a stone-age MediaWiki version
[09:50:57] <bauklotz>	no :)
[09:50:58] <Hyphenex>	Quick question, how do I edit the shortcut links on the side of my wiki?
[09:50:58] <RoanKattouw>	Hyphenex: Edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
[09:50:58] *RoanKattouw 	misses mwbot
[09:53:31] <Hyphenex>	another little question, how come something like this does not put 'Google' in the top bar?
[09:58:56] <Hyphenex>	http://sardstudios.com/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar
[09:58:56] <Splarka>	omit [[]] []
[09:58:56] <Splarka>	use ** http://www.google.com.au|Google if you must, but better to refer to a message
[09:58:56] <Splarka>	like google-url|google and create MediaWiki:Google-url with the link in it
[09:58:56] <Hyphenex>	Splarka: I'm not following what you want me to do now, that way I'd not have an auto-redirect would I?
[09:59:30] <svip>	Splarka: I hear TvTropes makes you stupid.
[10:00:46] <Splarka>	indeed it do
[10:01:10] <Splarka>	Hyphenex: if you wanna know why sidebar does all it does: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[10:01:32] <Splarka>	first thing it does is get the 'sidebar' page, and split it by newline
[10:01:41] <Splarka>	then it discards any lines that don't start with an asterisk
[10:02:04] <Splarka>	then it cuts each line into two parts delimited by a pipe, any lines without pipe are discarded (as per your google link)
[10:02:25] <Splarka>	it also discards links that are '-'
[10:02:38] <Splarka>	then it attempts to get a page named by each of the two parts
[10:02:47] <Splarka>	* recentchanges-url|recentchanges
[10:02:51] <Splarka>	er **
[10:03:10] <Splarka>	will get the text of MediaWiki:Recentchanges-url for the link, usually Special:RecentChanges
[10:03:18] <Splarka>	er, for the LINK of the link
[10:03:26] <Splarka>	and MediaWiki:Recentchanges for the text, something like "recent changes"
[10:03:32] <Splarka>	if the message does not exist, it goes into literal mode
[10:03:57] <Hyphenex>	oh cool.. I think for all I need it to do though, literal mode should be more then ample :).
[10:04:03] <Splarka>	this does two things for the first part, first it checks if the link starts with wfUrlProtocols(), if so it makes an external link
[10:04:04] <Hyphenex>	Thanks Splarka, I'm loving MediaWiki! :D
[10:04:06] <Splarka>	if not, it makes a local link
[10:04:32] <Splarka>	** http://google.com|go see google
[10:04:43] <Splarka>	or:   ** google-url|google
[10:04:54] <Splarka>	where MediaWiki:Google-url contains "http://google.com"
[10:04:57] <svip>	o_o I know where google is.
[10:06:11] <Elektryk91>	hi, where i can fin a list of mediawiki plugins?
[10:06:28] <str4nd>	You mean extensions
[10:06:32] <Elektryk91>	yes
[10:06:41] <str4nd>	Elektryk91, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions
[10:06:55] <RoanKattouw>	Elektryk91: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[10:07:09] <str4nd>	or that, or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:All_extensions
[10:07:16] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Shh, you don't know PHP, remember?
[10:07:17] <svip>	And coming soon, MediaWiki_Extensions on Twitter.
[10:07:38] <Elektryk91>	thanks a lot ;)
[10:07:48] <Splarka>	crap
[10:07:54] <Splarka>	oh RoanKattouw
[10:08:11] <Splarka>	is "Query based special pages for API"  going to give us Special:Log ?
[10:15:19] <RoanKattouw>	No
[10:15:19] <RoanKattouw>	That's not a QueryPage-based special page
[10:15:19] <Splarka>	is there a good way to get non-recentchangestable versions of logs in the API for a specific page?
[10:15:19] <RoanKattouw>	And we've already got list=logevents
[10:15:19] <Splarka>	hmm
[10:15:19] <RoanKattouw>	Use letitle?
[10:15:19] <Splarka>	I thought that was the recent changes table? 
[10:15:19] *Splarka 	looks
[10:15:19] <Splarka>	guess not, dur
[10:15:19] <Splarka>	ta
[10:15:19] *Splarka 	had brain fart
[10:15:19] <Splarka>	svip ^ see? tv tropes
[10:15:19] <Splarka>	that or the Brains are shooting rays at me, I wish I was my own grandpa
[10:15:19] <svip>	Splarka: Stop with the amount of Futurama references in one sentence!  It's crazy!
[10:15:29] <svip>	I'd prefer it if it was even *more* obscure references.
[10:17:18] <svip>	I dunno, Splarka, I suppose transcripts aren't really encyclopaedic.
[10:17:24] <svip>	But we still have transcripts of commentaries.
[10:17:38] <svip>	Splarka: http://theinfosphere.org/Transcript:Commentary:Space_Pilot_3000 O_O
[10:18:27] <Splarka>	it would actually be more efficient to write all that down by moving stars
[10:18:57] <svip>	Is thi some sort of joke?
[10:19:11] <svip>	this*
[10:20:26] <Splarka>	wasn't it an obscure reference? or was it so unobscure you're searching for deeper meaning? heh
[10:20:43] <svip>	I suppose.
[10:20:50] <Splarka>	(also, audio transcripts need time indexes, then it could be used as a subtitle track!)
[10:21:04] <svip>	But you'd need some kind of doomsday device.
[10:22:01] <svip>	Splarka: Well, I have been thinking about that actually.
[10:22:14] <svip>	I did provide time indexes for two of the episode transcripts.
[10:36:56] <silentNinja>	hmm....\
[10:37:03] <silentNinja>	the sandbox utility..
[10:38:29] <silentNinja>	is it a standard utility distributed with mediawiki?
[10:39:01] <Duesentrieb>	what utility?
[10:43:48] <silentNinja>	MediaWiki:Sandbox
[10:44:16] <svip>	O_O
[10:44:22] <svip>	There is a MediaWiki:Sandbox.
[10:44:33] <svip>	?
[10:44:34] <silentNinja>	i found it 
[10:44:35] <silentNinja>	yeah..
[10:44:43] <silentNinja>	i thought it would be under MyWikiName:Sandbox
[10:44:55] <silentNinja>	didnt realise it stayed under the MediaWiki namespace
[10:45:25] <RoanKattouw>	silentNinja: There is no such thing as a sandbox utility
[10:45:35] <RoanKattouw>	And there is also no MediaWiki:Sandbox
[10:45:53] <RoanKattouw>	A sandbox is just a page saying "Hey! It's OK to edit me all you want!", nothing magical
[10:54:05] <p858snake>	hmm bugzilla just started sending from a diff email address
[10:55:18] <Splarka>	splains wikibugs
[10:55:57] <silentNinja>	ok, see that RoanKattouw
[10:56:04] <werdna>	p858snake: yes.
[10:56:08] <werdna>	Splarka: yes
[10:56:18] <werdna>	silentNinja: I already told RoanKattouw elsewhere :)
[10:56:35] <silentNinja>	thought there might be some internals that flushed it
[10:56:38] <silentNinja>	thanks werdna
[10:56:39] <silentNinja>	:p
[11:00:21] <CIA-56>	03purodha * r53355 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/OldReviewedPages_body.php: message contains html markup
[11:06:28] <ashley>	Nikerabbit: hi, I've replied to the user who asked about Wikia on your translatewiki.net talk page
[11:15:48] <RoanKattouw>	Does anyone here have an account at experts-exchange.com ?
[11:16:04] <silentNinja>	looking at meta.wikimedia.org's copyright, content that infringes on copyrights will be deleted.... deleting a page keeps it in history?
[11:16:15] <silentNinja>	RoanKattouw: do you want to see a response? or post a question?
[11:16:23] <RoanKattouw>	I wanna read a response that's locked
[11:16:31] <silentNinja>	send me the url...
[11:16:35] <silentNinja>	want to check something....
[11:16:47] <RoanKattouw>	silentNinja: Deleting a page keeps it in history, yes, but only visible to sysops
[11:16:51] <RoanKattouw>	silentNinja: http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Languages/Scripting/JavaScript/Q_23486893.html
[11:17:07] <Reedy>	Usually visiting via google, and scrolling down works really well ;)
[11:17:40] *Splarka 	mentally removes the dash from their name when seeing the url
[11:17:53] <Splarka>	(or I transpose it to the left one character)
[11:18:00] <TehKittyCat>	:o 
[11:18:07] <werdna>	Splarka: very funny :P
[11:18:10] <Splarka>	heh, big red finger
[11:18:12] <werdna>	(I've heard it before)
[11:18:28] <Splarka>	so have they
[11:18:28] <Reedy>	It was even on QI
[11:18:32] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: You're right, it's at the bottom of the page in Google Cache :O
[11:18:40] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, Its a great trick
[11:18:46] <Reedy>	There has to be a way for google to index... ;)
[11:19:30] <silentNinja>	im scrolling down now....
[11:19:44] <Reedy>	Often dont even need the cache
[11:19:52] <Reedy>	Just the google referrer seems to work
[11:19:58] <silentNinja>	yeah, normally u get the hidden answers..
[11:20:01] <silentNinja>	then a looooong list of ads
[11:20:06] <silentNinja>	and then teh solutions at the bottom
[11:20:11] <Reedy>	yaa :D
[11:20:24] <silentNinja>	always works when clicking from google results :p
[11:20:33] <silentNinja>	didnt realise it didnt work using a direct link though
[11:20:46] <Reedy>	Heh
[11:21:29] <Splarka>	http://www.funtasticus.com/20081006/unfortunate-domain-names/ (a few of them are even true, like experts... well you know the rest)
[11:23:30] <werdna>	pen island
[11:24:18] <OverlordQ>	one of my friends visited that at work
[11:24:26] <OverlordQ>	got in trouble since they just saw the domain and didn't visit
[11:34:16] <Duesentrieb>	pen island is intentional though, i seems. 
[11:36:48] <bauklotz>	hi again
[11:36:58] <bauklotz>	login with API works by now, thanks a lot
[11:39:17] <bauklotz>	but next question: after login I get the success-result displayed in XML; is there some kind of redirect-option for the api.php?action=login after successful login??
[11:39:37] <RoanKattouw>	bauklotz: No. What could you possibly want to redirect to?
[11:39:45] <bauklotz>	to the wiki main-page?!
[11:39:53] <RoanKattouw>	The API is intended for use by bots
[11:39:57] <bauklotz>	hmm
[11:40:17] <bauklotz>	I use the api-login from another site where i included the wiki...
[11:40:26] <RoanKattouw>	You can try the hackish way that will redirect though
[11:40:32] <bauklotz>	yes?
[11:40:55] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, wasn't it Sparkla (or Simetrical) that said at one point people will just start using the Api for manual edting?
[11:41:00] <Splarka>	you could send a POST to the UI too
[11:41:04] <RoanKattouw>	Exactly
[11:41:18] <Splarka>	Reedy: needs more GET <3
[11:41:22] <RoanKattouw>	POST title=Special:Userlogin&wpName1=username&wpPassword1=password&returnto=Main_Page to index.php
[11:41:30] <Reedy>	lol
[11:41:41] <Splarka>	hard to manually POST (not impossible tho)
[11:41:59] <bauklotz>	nono, I think I can POST that...
[11:42:02] <Reedy>	:D
[11:42:14] <bauklotz>	whats so "hackish" about htat?
[11:42:25] <Splarka>	bauklotz: my "hard to manually POST" wasn't for you, that was for reedy
[11:42:32] <Splarka>	that ^ roan suggestion is easy to post
[11:42:41] <bauklotz>	Splarka: k,sry
[11:42:51] <Splarka>	Reedy: I might migrate to the API if vector becomes default skin, heh
[11:42:57] <Reedy>	lmao
[11:43:02] <Reedy>	I quite like it
[11:43:08] <bauklotz>	k, thx so far
[11:46:59] <TehKittyCat>	vector takes getting use to, but its nice so far
[11:49:42] <Splarka>	I want a skin I can enable javascript on, and not worry about not being able to DO anything, like copy a link without it being replaced by a javascript href, or triggering an onclick
[11:50:19] <Splarka>	but everyone seems to equate 'usability' with 'web 2.0 flashy animation'
[11:53:26] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: We try to use JS in Vector as little as possible
[11:53:35] <RoanKattouw>	In fact, there *is* no JS in Vector itself
[11:53:38] <RoanKattouw>	Only in the toolbar
[11:54:02] <Splarka>	the edit toolbar?
[11:54:07] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[11:54:16] <Splarka>	disableable? (in such a way that you don't load jquery unless enabled in prefs?)
[11:54:16] <adambro>	I still can't download checkuser, anyone else having problems downloading extensions? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/CheckUser doesn't work
[11:54:20] <RoanKattouw>	It needs JS to inject stuff in the textarea when you click a button
[11:54:26] <Splarka>	(bit moot since mdale is adding jquery to core for uploads, IIRC)
[11:54:33] <bauklotz>	RoanKattouw: do I need <action=submitlogon&type=login>  in my POST, too?
[11:54:34] <RoanKattouw>	And it's disableable in your prefs
[11:54:42] <bauklotz>	myabe??
[11:54:49] <RoanKattouw>	bauklotz: Possbily; I have no idea
[11:54:54] <bauklotz>	:)
[11:54:57] <Splarka>	adambro: ED is broked a bit
[11:55:04] <bauklotz>	cause the above doesn't work
[11:55:09] <Reedy>	adambro, use the svn
[11:55:10] <Splarka>	I thought Nikerabbit set a sitenotice
[11:55:20] <Reedy>	adambro, and yeah, quite a lot of people have been reporting it
[11:56:11] *RoanKattouw 	puts it in the server admin log, hopes that'll attract attention
[11:56:31] <Reedy>	I suppose though, with the image problems recently, its been lower priority ;)
[11:56:48] <adambro>	Reedy: okay, thanks, I've been trying to use svn but I'm not very experienced with it, I'm trying "svn checkout http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser ." but it comes with " PROPFIND request failed". 
[11:57:37] <RoanKattouw>	adambro: Replace viewvc with svnroot in that URL
[11:57:44] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[11:57:53] <RoanKattouw>	But the image problems are supposed to be fixed now IIRC
[11:57:58] <Reedy>	Yeah
[11:58:01] <adambro>	RoanKattouw: thanks, I'll give that a go.
[11:58:29] <adambro>	yep, that worked, thanks all
[12:05:54] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: I'm not a sysop!
[12:06:05] *Splarka 	grins
[12:06:10] <Splarka>	ya sure?
[12:06:24] <Nikerabbit>	no
[12:06:39] <Nikerabbit>	have you silently sneaked me into sysop
[12:07:47] <svip>	Nikerabbit: That would be most unwise.
[12:09:10] <Alphos>	that would be who ?
[12:09:26] <p858snake>	adambro: our distrubator might still be broken
[12:09:50] <adambro>	seems like it
[12:15:44] <Nikerabbit>	wtf
[12:15:55] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: since when has nowiki been nowiki?
[12:16:08] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: what does this output: <nowiki>&nbsp; and &#32;</nowiki>
[12:18:26] <Nikerabbit>	or  &<nowiki>nbsp; and &#32</nowiki>;
[12:18:27] <Nikerabbit>	GRR
[12:20:18] <Splarka>	entities are weird
[12:21:03] <svip>	Your mum is weird.
[12:21:22] <Splarka>	-<nowiki>&amp;</nowiki>-  puts out <p>-&amp;-</p>
[12:21:36] <Splarka>	to escape entities you have to &amp; them, &amp;amp;
[12:21:45] <svip>	Ah.
[12:21:48] <svip>	Just like in XML.
[12:21:55] <svip>	Oh wait, that was hitting.
[12:21:58] <Splarka>	yes, they are nowiki'd, but they are not escaped
[12:22:11] <Splarka>	so the HTML is free to parse them
[12:22:17] <Splarka>	^Nikerabbit
[12:22:32] <svip>	>_< Wait what.
[12:22:35] <Splarka>	that is one reason it is /very/ weird to ever have them not escaped in a MediaWiki message
[12:22:41] <svip>	Doesn't MediaWiki turn &amp; into &amp;amp;?
[12:22:51] <svip>	Wouldn't it turn &amp;amp; into &amp;amp;amp; ?
[12:23:23] <Splarka>	the parser passes them literal
[12:23:30] <svip>	Oh.
[12:23:36] <svip>	>_< Dang, your example was so obvious.
[12:23:40] <Splarka>	if they are valid
[12:23:40] <svip>	I just confused.
[12:23:50] <Splarka>	I guess tidy or the sanitizer knows
[12:23:51] <svip>	I thought you have written <p>-&-</p> if it had worked.
[12:24:04] <Splarka>	&zibble; <nowiki>&amp;</nowiki>  ->   <p>&amp;zibble; &amp;</p>
[12:24:20] <svip>	:( No zibble entity?
[12:24:24] <Splarka>	displays as: &zibble; &
[12:24:46] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: not escaped?
[12:25:29] <Nikerabbit>	&#32; and &nbsp; are very useful
[12:28:50] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: they are not escaped, unless something is changed in trunk
[12:29:34] <Splarka>	or unless you're using a wfMsg call that escapes them (many do.. WHY? what possible reason?)
[12:29:38] <Splarka>	or if they're invalid
[12:29:56] <bauklotz>	RoanKattouw: FYI: with POST the wpPassword doesn't work somehow. So I needed GET together with &action=submitlogin&type=login
[12:30:08] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: wtf
[12:30:10] <bauklotz>	although this is really "hackish" & unsecure
[12:30:17] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?text=%26%2332%3B+%26nbsp%3B+%26lt%3B+%26gt%3B+%26%2364+%26foo%3B&title=Foo&action=parse&format=jsonfm&uselang=en
[12:30:22] <Splarka>	<p>&#160; &lt; &gt; &amp;#64 &amp;foo;<\/p>
[12:30:37] <Splarka>	see the last two, bad ones that are escaped
[12:30:39] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: wfMsg converts those two entities to plain text
[12:30:45] <Nikerabbit>	everything else is up to the caller
[12:31:02] <Splarka>	oh. hmm
[12:31:17] <Splarka>	okay, it converts 32 to space, I see
[12:31:24] <Splarka>	but nbsp is kept as &#160;
[12:31:29] <Nikerabbit>	and that hack was added because callers suck :)
[12:31:31] <Splarka>	those are probably tidy
[12:31:46] <Splarka>	what does that ^ do on your wiki, Nikerabbit?
[12:32:18] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: one newline less
[12:32:27] *OverlordQ 	got something different :D
[12:32:41] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/w/api.php?text=%26%2332%3B+%26nbsp%3B+%26lt%3B+%26gt%3B+%26%2364+%26foo%3B&title=Foo&action=parse&format=jsonfm&uselang=en
[12:33:01] <OverlordQ>	<p>&#32; &nbsp; &lt; &gt; &amp;#64 &amp;foo;\n<\/p>
[12:33:45] <Splarka>	OverlordQ/Nike: tidy?
[12:34:00] <Splarka>	it is a naughty bastard around whitespace
[12:34:03] <OverlordQ>	no
[12:34:31] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?text=%3Cdiv+style%3D%22white-space%3Apre%3B%22%3Efoo+foo++foo+++foo++++foo%3C%2Fdiv%3E&title=Foo&action=parse&format=jsonfm&uselang=en
[12:34:36] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: whatcha get? ^
[12:35:31] <OverlordQ>	<div style=\"white-space:pre;\">foo foo  foo   foo    foo<\/div>
[12:35:38] <Nikerabbit>	I don't
[12:35:45] <Splarka>	right, that is Tidy
[12:36:01] <OverlordQ>	poor tidy, eating your whitespace :P
[12:36:03] <Splarka>	so I suspect it is doing the &#32; too
[12:36:58] <OverlordQ>	http://www.thedarkcitadel.com/wiki/api.php if you want to play with it
[12:38:26] <svip>	Reedy sounds like a play on needy and read.
[12:38:34] <svip>	But it probably isn't.
[12:38:43] <Reedy>	lol
[12:38:51] <Reedy>	my surname + y
[12:38:57] <svip>	Ah.
[12:39:10] <svip>	+ y is the cutefier.
[12:39:19] <Reedy>	lol
[12:39:23] <Reedy>	mebbe
[12:39:29] <svip>	Well, isn't it?
[12:39:30] <Splarka>	you should add the hiphopifier
[12:39:47] <Splarka>	g prefix, but you probably don't wanna be too...er... greedy
[12:40:16] <svip>	The technologifier is e-[], but the hiptechnologifier is i[].
[12:40:27] <Reedy>	Reede and Reedi look weird
[12:40:36] <svip>	Nah.
[12:40:41] <svip>	e-Reed and iReed
[12:40:47] <Reedy>	oh
[12:40:48] <Reedy>	lol
[12:40:50] <svip>	The [] was a failed attempt to represent the word.
[12:41:34] <Reedy>	\w+
[12:42:09] <svip>	Oh yes.
[12:42:15] <svip>	I thought that was whitespace!
[12:42:27] <Reedy>	\s is whitespace
[12:42:35] <svip>	<_< Sure.
[12:43:08] <svip>	Hm.
[12:45:26] <nomatter001>	hi
[12:45:33] <svip>	o_o
[12:45:34] <svip>	hi
[12:45:42] <Nikerabbit>	uga
[12:45:57] <nomatter001>	is there a simple possability to display articles only to users which are logged in?
[12:46:10] <svip>	Yes.
[12:46:19] <svip>	Make your wiki unreadable for not logged in people.
[12:46:28] <nomatter001>	svip: is that a extension?
[12:46:31] <Reedy>	nope
[12:46:32] <svip>	Nope.
[12:46:33] <Reedy>	!permissions
[12:46:33] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[12:46:38] <svip>	That is standard permissions.
[12:46:48] <svip>	Set group '*''s 'read' to false.
[12:46:51] <nomatter001>	ok maybe thats the reason why i didn't find anything
[12:47:00] <dAnjou>	hi, i searched already, but i can't find how to change the skin/theme. do you have a collection of skins/themes somewhere?
[12:47:18] <Reedy>	dAnjou, Special:Preferences
[12:47:26] <Reedy>	shows the default ones
[12:47:29] <Reedy>	!themes
[12:47:29] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "themes".
[12:47:42] <dAnjou>	are there more?
[12:47:44] <Reedy>	!skin | dAnjou 
[12:47:44] --mwbot--	dAnjou: Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[12:47:49] <dAnjou>	ah
[12:47:51] <dAnjou>	thanks
[12:49:13] <Nikerabbit>	I hate php documentation
[12:49:15] <Nikerabbit>	http://fi.php.net/file_get_contents
[12:49:27] <Nikerabbit>	so what is the default value for flags in php6?
[12:50:37] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: Don't rely on the default value? ;)
[12:54:03] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: :O
[12:54:26] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[12:54:38] <^David>	is $wgUser->updateUser called every time a user logs in?
[12:54:43] *RoanKattouw 	remembers Splarka's "I hate/love PHP" compilation from last night
[12:55:00] <Splarka>	but mostly hate
[12:55:02] <RoanKattouw>	^David: That function doesn't exist
[12:55:12] <^David>	$wgAuth, my bad
[12:55:42] <RoanKattouw>	I think so, see docs @ http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classAuthPlugin.html#7c4d985b898bd19a50038fc0c7828e42
[12:56:47] <^David>	hmm, $user->setOption("rememberpassword", 1); doesn't seem to work when using updateUser
[12:56:54] <^David>	i might have to look into a login hook?
[12:57:04] <RoanKattouw>	^David: Call $wgUser->saveSettings(); after
[12:57:28] <RoanKattouw>	Or $user->saveSettings(); even
[13:01:12] <CIA-56>	03catrope * r53356 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/NavigableTOC/ (NavigableTOC.js NavigableTOC.php): NavigableTOC: Optimize IE code for NavigableTOC, the previous version got horrendously slow when the cursor was towards the end of a largish page
[13:03:30] <dAnjou>	my LocalSettings.php belongs to www-data and i'm not in that group, is there a tool with that i can edit this settings without change the rights all the time?
[13:04:00] <RoanKattouw>	No
[13:04:05] <dAnjou>	dman
[13:04:07] <dAnjou>	damn
[13:12:09] <Reedy>	Couldnt he be the owner, but leave the group as www-data?
[13:12:17] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[13:12:27] <RoanKattouw>	Provided he can chown it
[13:12:50] <Reedy>	ya
[13:19:05] <Splarka>	svip: ping
[13:22:52] <dAnjou>	no root access
[13:24:17] <CIA-56>	03catrope * r53357 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (4 files in 2 dirs): UsabilityInitiative: Break out textarea scrolling code to a separate plugin
[13:25:07] <svip>	Splarka: pong
[13:25:27] <Splarka>	svip: I was bored and made something for ya
[13:25:33] <svip>	Woo
[13:26:15] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?pxZvbA4pc8L2NiGs6N1Juw
[13:26:38] <Splarka>	it creates some Brains near the logo that chase your mouse cursor
[13:26:42] <Splarka>	brb
[13:28:17] <Splarka>	svip: stick that like in http://theinfosphere.org/User:Svip/brains.js
[13:28:19] <svip>	Man.
[13:28:26] <Splarka>	then in http://theinfosphere.org/User:Svip/monobook.js :
[13:28:57] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName == 'Main_Page') importScript('User:Svip/monobook.js')
[13:29:38] <svip>	o_o awesome
[13:30:33] <werdna>	Splarka:     img.src = 'file:///c:/goldrush/js/wiki/brain-r.png';
[13:30:43] <Splarka>	crap
[13:30:45] <svip>	>_<
[13:30:53] <svip>	Now we know you use Windows.
[13:30:59] <Splarka>	small typo ^_^
[13:31:00] <svip>	Oh wait.
[13:31:08] <svip>	That's not Windows at all!
[13:32:14] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?4EePymnmZNOJ8D7fLTUu5w
[13:32:15] <Splarka>	fixed
[13:32:28] <Splarka>	the other will work, just not immediately, heh
[13:32:57] <svip>	:P
[13:33:12] *Splarka 	bites werdna
[13:33:22] <svip>	I am so gonna regret this in the future.
[13:33:48] <Splarka>	also, you don't need to put it in addOnloadHook in your monobook
[13:33:57] <Splarka>	it is already in one in the script
[13:33:59] <svip>	>:| Well, I did it anyway!
[13:34:02] <Splarka>	(well, in theory anyway)
[13:34:03] <Splarka>	heh
[13:34:17] <Splarka>	'sit work?
[13:34:21] <svip>	Yes.
[13:34:33] <Splarka>	eeeevil
[13:34:42] <svip>	Now do it for yourself on Wikipedia.
[13:34:44] <Splarka>	I used a random z-index so some are above and some are below the logo
[13:34:51] <svip>	if(wgPageName == 'Futurama')
[13:34:55] <Splarka>	heh
[13:35:11] <svip>	Wait.
[13:35:15] <svip>	Why isn't that standard on Wikipedia?
[13:35:25] <Splarka>	brains chasing you? no idea
[13:35:48] <Splarka>	I think it is actually, but less literally
[13:35:54] <Splarka>	they mostly RFAr and RFC you, and revert you, ban you, etc
[13:35:59] <svip>	Alternatively, you should do that konami code to get it up.
[13:36:11] <svip>	On Wikipedia.
[13:36:13] <svip>	<_< >_>
[13:36:27] <Splarka>	ududlrlr something?
[13:37:07] <svip>	It's up up down down left right left right b a
[13:38:01] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: It looks like that code constantly pulls new versions of the images ^^
[13:38:24] <Splarka>	yah, I should have it check it first
[13:38:26] *Splarka 	was lazy
[13:39:09] <RoanKattouw>	Apart from that, very cool
[13:40:05] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandal_test?action=edit
[13:40:08] <Splarka>	javascript:void(importScript('User:Splarka/vandalspooker.js'));
[13:40:19] *^demon 	goes ahead and buries wikibugs, he's dead :\
[13:40:39] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: I think it's caused by the wikibugs-l breakage
[13:40:52] <^demon>	I didn't know wikibugs-l was borked.
[13:40:53] <RoanKattouw>	Someone changed the bugzilla source address but didn't update the mailing list config
[13:41:19] <RoanKattouw>	wikibugs-l hasn't sent out any messages for 21 hrs now
[13:41:29] <Splarka>	sucks donut
[13:43:02] <^demon>	Heh, I think [[User:Ricardojose20027]] is putting up a personals ad.
[13:43:45] <heinrich_>	hello ?
[13:44:06] <heinrich_>	works
[13:44:08] <heinrich_>	nice
[13:44:13] <Guest69401>	hello everyone
[13:44:27] <Mike_lifeguard>	^demon: any links?
[13:44:35] *RoanKattouw 	cracks up after seeing Splarka's vandal spooker
[13:44:43] <Guest69401>	if got a support question for mediawiki....
[13:44:46] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: It was on mw.org. Just deleted.
[13:45:14] *Splarka 	glues Roan back together again
[13:45:47] <Guest69401>	i have a user that is blockd, for he would have logged in to often in a while, and should return later. But this is now, tha case for some hours. I run the phpBB-auth mod, to get my useraccoutns from the board.
[13:45:58] <Guest69401>	any idea, how to unlock the account again ?
[13:46:07] <svip>	Splarka: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200907/errord/wtf_domain_queen.jpg
[13:46:50] <^demon>	svip: Ha!
[13:47:08] <Guest69401>	svip: nice.
[13:47:15] <dAnjou>	hey, can you help me setting up this skin? i set $wgAllowUserCss = true; already, but now i don't know how to go on
[13:47:41] <dAnjou>	http://stephan.sugarmotor.org/wikipedia-skin/
[13:48:01] <RoanKattouw>	dAnjou: You don't really need that setting to set up a skin
[13:48:05] <RoanKattouw>	But it won't hurt
[13:48:27] <dAnjou>	I want that skin to be default
[13:48:28] <Splarka>	svip: all cases must be accounted for, heh
[13:49:13] <dAnjou>	so when anyone comes to my wiki, this is how it should look like
[13:49:23] <Guest69401>	i have database access and all, by the way... It is my wiki after all.
[13:49:42] <Guest69401>	so, any ideas, anyone, please...?
[13:50:14] <RoanKattouw>	dAnjou: Oh, you're using MySkin
[13:50:31] <RoanKattouw>	dAnjou: You want that to be shown for everyone, not just you, right?
[13:50:38] <dAnjou>	yes
[13:51:10] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, why is it markbot, not bot on action=rollback?
[13:51:31] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: Because it marks the *reverted* revisions as bot edits
[13:51:38] <RoanKattouw>	i.e. revs that *already happened*
[13:52:00] <Reedy>	Oooh, gotcha :)
[13:52:01] <RoanKattouw>	dAnjou: Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Stephanwehner/myskin.css&action=edit , copypaste the code there and put that in [[MediaWiki:myskin.css]] on your wiki
[13:52:30] <RoanKattouw>	dAnjou: Then set $wgDefaultSkin or whatever that var's name is to 'myskin'
[13:56:56] <dAnjou>	RoanKattouw: doesn't work http://projekte.f4.fhtw-berlin.de/~s0521788/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
[13:58:15] <dAnjou>	MySkin (default) (Preview) (Custom CSS) is set in the preferences
[13:59:08] <heinrich_k>	Anyone any idea, about my problem ?
[13:59:23] <dAnjou>	http://projekte.f4.fhtw-berlin.de/~s0521788/mediawiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Myskin.css and the code is in there
[14:04:33] <Splarka>	svip: per roan's suggestion this is less blinky by checking the image first, and also speed adjust by screen width: http://p.defau.lt/?6libWhbih3Jc4r87NYmKbA
[14:05:09] <dAnjou>	forgot to reload, works, thak you RoanKattouw 
[14:05:25] <Splarka>	oops
[14:05:51] *Splarka 	notices some department of redundancy
[14:06:16] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?O4PRI1PQEzRQMkMVS0i_cg  there, 5a
[14:07:52] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: where is that? :o
[14:09:52] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: http://theinfosphere.org/Main_Page  -> javascript:void(importScript('User:Svip/brains.js'));
[14:10:29] <Splarka>	er
[14:10:36] <Splarka>	sorry not RoanKattouw X_X
[14:10:39] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: ^ that js
[14:10:48] *Splarka 	is way too tired apparently
[14:11:01] <RoanKattouw>	Dude it's 7 AM
[14:11:11] <Splarka>	heh
[14:12:09] <heinrich_k>	hello again. Still have that problem with logging into my own wiki. Any ideas how to fix that ?
[14:13:33] <^demon>	Yay, student loan approved :)
[14:16:42] <svip>	Splarka: A friend of mine have a shirt that reads "Fuck Google, ask me".
[14:16:52] <roberthl>	Are there any plans to put forward an application for a developer room at FOSDEM '10?
[14:16:55] <svip>	So I was thinking about a counter shirt:  "Fuck me, ask Wikipedia".
[14:17:36] <Splarka>	heh
[14:17:52] <RoanKattouw>	roberthl: Probably. We tried in '09 and it was denied, so someone'll probably reapply I guess
[14:17:57] <Splarka>	wrap that in <span title="please">
[14:18:51] <roberthl>	RoanKattouw: Ah, well hopefully we'll have more success this year.
[14:20:28] <Reedy>	^demon, woot, monies
[14:20:44] <svip>	There is monies in MediaWiki?
[14:20:46] <^demon>	Reedy: w00t indeed. Can't take classes without it :)
[14:21:05] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: We really need a dev meetup somewhere nearer to me :)
[14:21:11] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[14:21:27] <RoanKattouw>	I'm afraid dev meetups in the US will pretty much always be in the Bay Area
[14:21:42] <Reedy>	^demon, get WMF to pay for you to go ;D
[14:21:50] <OverlordQ>	heinrich_k: what's the problem? 'that problem' doesn't narrow it down much
[14:21:56] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: Poor east-coast people like me :(
[14:22:31] <Splarka>	serves them right after Boston and Tampa
[14:22:52] <GreenReaper>	and what about the midwest?
[14:23:11] <GreenReaper>	svip: Sure, I just cashed a check for MediaWiki services.
[14:23:32] <OverlordQ>	lucky you
[14:23:43] *OverlordQ 	wishes he could leverage MW into $
[14:24:18] <GreenReaper>	Of course, it was a Canadian check, so it was practically worthless, but still . . . 
[14:24:36] *Splarka 	throws soggy brains at brion
[14:25:02] <brion>	braaaaaaains
[14:25:05] <OverlordQ>	hey now Splarka, there are starving zombies in the world that could use those brains
[14:25:51] <heinrich_k>	OverlordQ: i stated the problem earlier. Just found someone on #mediawiki-tech who might help me, but thanks for realising...
[14:26:07] <flower>	is it possible to convert a mediawiki page to pdf?
[14:26:09] <Splarka>	ack, GreenReaper! isn't that illegal?
[14:26:23] <Splarka>	I mean Mediawiki is practically a munition-grade encryption system
[14:26:23] <heinrich_k>	it is basically that i cant log in anymore. It states, i should wait a few minutes, but that didn't change for several hours now...
[14:26:32] <GreenReaper>	No, but you have to tell them about it beforehand otherwise they take part of the money away again.
[14:26:35] <Splarka>	after all, it decodes Wikicode...
[14:26:42] <svip>	GreenReaper: Canadian cheques are close to the same as an American one, if not more!
[14:26:54] <GreenReaper>	Besides, it's Canadia. What are they going to do, start an edit war? Phuleeeze.
[14:27:10] <svip>	They could buy the US.
[14:27:15] <svip>	I hear it is cheap.
[14:27:19] <GreenReaper>	svip: They're certainly *bigger*, but it's not size that matters.
[14:27:38] <RoanKattouw>	Heck, they're the second biggest country in the world IIRC
[14:28:06] <werdna>	14:27 < GreenReaper> svip: They're certainly *bigger*, but it's not size that matters.
[14:28:09] *werdna 	takes out of context
[14:28:21] <RoanKattouw>	hehe
[14:28:41] <GreenReaper>	Of course, when it comes to MediaWiki pages, size does indeed matter.
[14:28:51] <svip>	Wait.
[14:28:59] *GreenReaper 	idly pimps https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19761
[14:29:01] <svip>	Is the Canada article bigger than the United States article?
[14:29:20] <OverlordQ>	doubt it
[14:29:41] <RoanKattouw>	No, US is longer
[14:29:42] <RoanKattouw>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&titles=Canada|United_States&redirects
[14:29:52] <GreenReaper>	It does have more ", eh.", but they're easily compressible.
[14:30:02] <GreenReaper>	However, Canada is featured.
[14:30:03] <heinrich_k>	afk
[14:30:30] <svip>	Wait.  The article on United States has never been featured?
[14:30:32] <OverlordQ>	and George W Bush is even larger
[14:30:35] <svip>	Woosh.
[14:30:40] *^demon 	puts wikibugs dead and decaying body in front of brion. Can you bring him back to life?
[14:30:42] <GreenReaper>	It was never promoted.
[14:30:53] <GreenReaper>	It has been a candidate five times.
[14:30:54] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: aZaFred is going to
[14:31:09] <flower>	is it possible to convert a mediawiki page to pdf or odt?
[14:31:10] <GreenReaper>	Including most recently this June 27th
[14:31:14] <svip>	GreenReaper: Of course not, everyone is scared of being too American centric.
[14:31:16] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: \o/
[14:31:21] <RoanKattouw>	!e Collection | flower 
[14:31:21] --mwbot--	flower: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection
[14:31:23] <svip>	OH NOES, CANNOT HAVE AN AMERICAN ARTICLE UPFRONT.
[14:31:28] <svip>	We want to appear INTERNATIONAL.
[14:31:33] <svip>	>:| Damn foreigners!
[14:31:43] <^demon>	svip: OHNOS! Enwiki has US bias!
[14:31:48] <GreenReaper>	I think it's more that it's a hard topic and we have a lot of people who think it could be better.
[14:31:58] <svip>	^demon: Exactly.
[14:32:05] <svip>	For the record.
[14:32:09] <GreenReaper>	Obscure topics are easier because there are fewer people who feel they're qualified to think it sucks. ;-)
[14:32:12] <svip>	dawiki has HUGE Denmark bias.
[14:32:14] <GreenReaper>	Like Canada.
[14:32:24] <svip>	You hate Canada, eh?
[14:32:42] <GreenReaper>	I have family there. :-)
[14:32:44] *OverlordQ 	goes to nominate Montana as FA since nobody lives up there to dispute it
[14:32:49] <RoanKattouw>	svip: Yeah, but Danish is only an official language in Denmark. English is spoken in many more countries
[14:33:01] <svip>	RoanKattouw: Well, you know the solution then.
[14:35:04] <RoanKattouw>	What, learn Danish?
[14:35:10] <svip>	Well.
[14:35:13] <^demon>	GreenReaper: I'm perfectly willing to fix 19761, as long as there's consensus to remove it.
[14:35:22] <svip>	Make Danish the official language in more countries, RoanKattouw.
[14:35:34] <^demon>	OverlordQ: Irony, my dad actually has some cousins in Montana. I can't remember their names though.
[14:37:24] <PC_Nerd101>	Hi,  I've just started a fresh install of mediawiki 1.15.1 and the config/index.php installation page offers only SQLite as the database type - however I was of the understanding ( and have organised) a MySQL database to use.   how can I enable mysql as an option?
[14:37:29] <OverlordQ>	yea my grandpa lives up there
[14:37:54] <OverlordQ>	PC_Nerd101: make sure the mysql extension is loaded/enabled
[14:38:04] <PC_Nerd101>	as in from php?
[14:38:09] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[14:38:31] <PC_Nerd101>	it is definately enabled, I'm running multiple other joomla sites on the same server that are using mysql5/php5
[14:38:41] <^demon>	OverlordQ: zomg what if we're related (albeit indirectly)?
[14:38:52] <^demon>	I figure there's about 4 people in Montana, so they must be related.
[14:39:15] <OverlordQ>	be scary but doubt it, he moved up there away from family :)
[14:41:42] <^demon>	I can haz code review? http://anyonecanedit.org/misc/maintenance-work.patch :p
[14:42:05] <^demon>	All 452k of it :)
[14:42:55] <OverlordQ>	O_o that's ratherlarge
[14:43:08] <^demon>	14100-ish lines.
[14:44:16] <^demon>	I'm just waiting for trunk to be sane again, really.
[14:47:21] <werdna>	hmm, this is really strange
[14:47:33] <werdna>	$wgUser is being unstubbed quite a few times.
[14:49:28] <^demon>	Odd, indeed.
[14:49:47] <PC_Nerd101>	any suggestions on enabling MySQL?
[14:54:42] <werdna>	PC_Nerd101: what OS?
[14:55:07] <PC_Nerd101>	ubuntu 8.04, custom php/apache/mysql compile
[14:55:25] <werdna>	make absolutely sure you compiled with mysql support
[14:55:40] <werdna>	add a PHP script die( var_dump( function_exists( 'mysql_connect' ) ) );
[14:55:40] <PC_Nerd101>	as in compiled php with mysql(i) support?
[14:55:43] <werdna>	and tell us what the output is
[14:55:46] <werdna>	yes
[14:56:00] <Duesentrieb>	mysql, *not* mysqli
[14:56:07] <PC_Nerd101>	ok... just a moment
[14:56:27] <leche_>	hey, im using mediawiki 1.13 and want to connect via the perl api bindings. when i connect to the api.php site, im getting the following error message:
[14:57:29] <leche_>	Unable to decode content returned by https://some-wiki-installation.bla/api.php - Unknown content encoding?
[14:57:34] <PC_Nerd101>	mysql: bool(false),    mysqli: bool(true)
[14:57:52] <PC_Nerd101>	does media wiki not support mysqli?
[14:58:43] <RoanKattouw>	leche_: Can you give us the real api.php URL?
[15:00:35] <wikibugs_>	03(WONTFIX) render wikipedia:language:page as a direct link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12319  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:00:35] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) render wikipedia:language:page as a direct link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12319  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:00:45] <^demon>	Haha, better than not at all :p
[15:00:52] <leche_>	RoanKattouw: https://intranet.num.math.uni-goettingen.de/api.php
[15:02:07] <RoanKattouw>	leche_: Do you have read restrictions for anonymous users on that wiki?
[15:03:19] <leche_>	RoanKattouw: yes
[15:03:27] <leche_>	RoanKattouw: ill check again
[15:03:45] <RoanKattouw>	That might confuse the Perl library
[15:04:16] <OverlordQ>	which Perl module are you using?
[15:05:01] <wikibugs_>	03(mod) Links in enotif change notification email should clear wl_notificationtimestamp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18689  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:05:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Links in enotif change notification email should clear wl_notificationtimestamp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18689  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:05:13] <^demon>	Can an op kick one of those two?
[15:05:24] <leche_>	im using Mediawiki::API http://search.cpan/MediaWiki-API-0.27.tar.gz
[15:05:37] <leche_>	eh, without that search,cpan
[15:05:57] <RoanKattouw>	leche_: Is that the most recent version?
[15:06:09] <leche_>	yes
[15:06:27] <leche_>	as far as i can say it
[15:06:54] <^demon>	charitwo: Thanks.
[15:07:04] <charitwo>	np
[15:07:20] <charitwo>	it looks like Annemarie has brainwashed majorly too
[15:07:24] <leche_>	yepp, seems to be the most actual version
[15:07:47] <leche_>	and i had to use a newer json version for this
[15:08:50] <PC_Nerd101>	The only mysqli related issues with installing mediawiki come from 2007 with 1.5 I beleive it was....  but nothing recently.
[15:09:36] <RoanKattouw>	leche_: Make sure you login before running any queries
[15:09:49] <RoanKattouw>	In 1.13 action=query is totally inaccessible for users without read rights
[15:10:02] <OverlordQ>	well test script can read the reply just fine, but with no rights, can't tell you much besides that
[15:10:30] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, if someone puts a parameter AFTER the token during a api page save, will that be ignored?
[15:10:43] <RoanKattouw>	No, why would it be?
[15:10:58] <Reedy>	I just thought the token HAD to be left
[15:11:00] <Reedy>	*Last
[15:11:03] <Reedy>	or is just after text?
[15:11:08] <RoanKattouw>	Doesn't have to be, but it's safest
[15:11:24] <RoanKattouw>	If somehow stuff gets cut off, you're sure the token will be cut off too and your save will fail
[15:12:24] <leche_>	RoanKattouw: ok, ill recheck this.
[15:12:34] <leche_>	thank you
[15:19:11] <CIA-56>	03mrzman * r53358 10/trunk/phase3/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 
[15:19:11] <CIA-56>	(bug 19590) Database error messages are no longer hardcoded to use "MySQL".
[15:19:11] <CIA-56>	Added a new function DatabaseBase::getDBtype() to get the DB type for messages, updated all subclasses.
[15:19:11] <CIA-56>	Message change needs propagating.
[15:20:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) dberrortext always says MySQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19590  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[15:20:30] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r53359 10/trunk/ (21 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[15:20:30] <CIA-56>	LiquidThreads updates:
[15:20:30] <CIA-56>	* Overhaul deletion system. Totally remove deletion special page, deletion will
[15:20:30] <CIA-56>	now be handled through the standard MediaWiki deletion system. When a thread's
[15:20:31] <CIA-56>	"root" is deleted, the thread itself is marked as deleted. When the page is
[15:20:33] <CIA-56>	re-undeleted, the thread will be marked as restored.
[15:20:35] <CIA-56>	* Move some class files from Lqt* to simply *.
[15:20:37] <robertson>	How can I specify a "word" i want mediawiki to catalog for search? i.e. my wiki can't find pages containing "svn" (I have a page named Subversion)
[15:20:44] <werdna>	oopsies
[15:21:31] <RoanKattouw>	robertson: Older versions of MediaWiki can't search for 3-letter words or shorter
[15:23:28] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: oopsies @ what?
[15:23:46] <robertson>	RoanKattouw: at what version can you search for 3 letter words?
[15:23:48] <werdna>	committed half a rev of TorBlock
[15:24:43] <RoanKattouw>	robertson: Dunno exactly, but if you're gonna upgrade you might as well upgrade straight to 1.15.1
[15:24:49] *RoanKattouw 	looks for the version
[15:25:27] <robertson>	RoanKattouw: right, I'm just curious
[15:25:57] <CIA-56>	03werdna * r53360 10/trunk/extensions/TorBlock/TorBlock.php: Revert accidental commit to TorBlock.php from r53359
[15:26:14] <RoanKattouw>	robertson: Looks like it was fixed between 1.14 and 1.15
[15:27:08] <leche>	RoanKattouw: ok, i get the message even when im trying to login
[15:27:09] <TC-nbigelow>	in the pywikipedia bot documentation, they talk about "copy[ing] the master help page correctly." Is there a clean and easy way doing this that I'm unaware of?
[15:27:33] <RoanKattouw>	What do they mean by "master help page"?
[15:28:22] <CIA-56>	03dale * r53361 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php: fixed unset partname
[15:28:37] <TC-nbigelow>	I'm not exactly sure, here's the direct text: "This is the value displayed when you enter {{SCRIPTPATH}} on a wiki page (often displayed at [[Help:Variables]] if the wiki has copied the master help page correctly)."
[15:29:09] <TC-nbigelow>	I never heard of a "correct" way of copying over the help pages.
[15:29:20] <RoanKattouw>	Never mind
[15:29:21] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r53362 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/ (5 files in 3 dirs): sorting out target resource vs. target concept. ugh, what a mess.
[15:29:42] <RoanKattouw>	Just enter {{SCRIPTPATH}} somewhere on a wiki page (e.g. a sandbox), save, and see what it say
[15:29:43] <RoanKattouw>	s
[15:30:45] <TC-nbigelow>	Oh, yeah I understand much, I figured out how to the script path stuff, Just wondering about the concept of copying over the master help that they mention is all.
[15:31:20] <RoanKattouw>	I think they mean copying the literal wikitext or something
[15:31:30] <RoanKattouw>	Of [[m:Help:Variables]] or whichever wiki that page is at
[15:32:02] <TC-nbigelow>	Oh all right. Thanks!
[15:55:47] <^demon>	MrZ-man: getDBtype() is kinda vague (I would expect it to return $wgDBtype, based on the method name). Maybe call it getName()?
[16:02:05] <MrZ-man|not_here>	^demon: I considered various things, there already is a getDBname(), and everything else I thought of was unnecessarily long
[16:02:30] <MrZ-man|not_here>	.nick MrZ-man
[16:02:48] <OverlordQ>	getDBclass?
[16:04:55] <MrZ-man>	I did document the purpose at least
[16:05:00] <^demon>	MrZ-man: getDBname() gets the actual database name. getDBtype() rubs me the wrong way.
[16:06:25] <^demon>	MrZ-man: Also, could probably make the DatabaseBase method abstract. All children need to implement a human-readable name.
[16:07:03] <MrZ-man>	that's what I mean - getDBname() returns the datbase name, getName() returns the server type? That seems like it would be more confusing
[16:07:23] <^demon>	I guess.
[16:07:32] <^demon>	Anyway......
[16:11:39] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r53363 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/ (6 files in 4 dirs): support {{catmore}}
[16:21:46] <limon>	hi how can edit mediawiki pages from vim(cygwin) ?
[16:22:42] <RoanKattouw>	Enable "Use external editor" in your preferences; what to do after that I don't know
[16:24:13] <CIA-56>	03shinjiman * r53364 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[16:24:31] <werdna>	excuse the spam, I'm about to reassign priorities on about 30 bugs or so :)
[16:32:23] <PC_Nerd101>	Hi,  is there any method to get media wiki to integrate with an apache htpasswd style file, while maintaining the additional user information in the database ( for example, if the user is in the database, then look them up in the htaccess file) ?
[16:32:35] <PC_Nerd101>	*htpasswd
[16:33:07] <^demon|lunch>	werdna: Couldn't you do that when wikibugs was dead? ;-)
[16:33:12] <werdna>	heh
[16:35:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Optional special page listing boilerplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19433  (10alfred.maghi)
[16:39:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Replace wholesale quoting with optional selective quoting (maybe with JS) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19340  (10agarrett)
[16:39:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Rewrite thread deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19483  (10agarrett)
[16:40:09] <almaghi>	Could someone explain me how the constructor should be improved? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6343&action=diff
[16:40:35] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) wrap message 'tag-filter' into a label-tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19568  +comment (10agarrett)
[16:40:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add an unique CSS class or ID to the tagfilter table row at RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18704  +comment (10agarrett)
[16:41:41] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Edits caught by multiple filters, none set to disallow, prevents edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19680  +comment (10agarrett)
[16:41:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) log entries of non-blocked edits which were never submitted? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19605  +comment (10agarrett)
[16:43:37] <^demon>	almaghi: IncludableSpecialPage::SpecialPage() can become parent::__construct()
[16:44:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) log entries of non-blocked edits which were never submitted? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19605  +comment (10Prodego)
[16:45:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Optional special page listing boilerplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19433  +comment (10alfred.maghi)
[16:47:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CategoryTree degrades poorly on IE/Mac - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7862  normal->lowest; +comment (10agarrett)
[16:47:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:GlobalBlockList should use the User@meta.wikimedia format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16285  normal->lowest; +comment (10agarrett)
[16:48:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AbuseFilter warning page should display original page text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17822  normal->lowest; +comment (10agarrett)
[16:48:13] <Prodego>	werdna: am I good to close 19605 as invalid
[16:48:16] <werdna>	I've just set priorities on like 30 bugs :)
[16:48:26] <bahaa2008>	i want to choose the users that don't haver userpage 
[16:48:28] <werdna>	Prodego: There are some other issues I'd like to look at with that bug
[16:48:30] <Prodego>	I just tested it, everything seems to work as normal
[16:48:31] <bahaa2008>	how can i do that
[16:48:32] <werdna>	want to make sure there are no anomalies
[16:48:50] <bahaa2008>	i want to choose the users that don't have userpage 
[16:48:53] <bahaa2008>	how can i do that
[16:48:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) In log, link to diff of edit/log entry for action when edit/action succeeded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18374  normal->lowest; +comment (10agarrett)
[16:49:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow notes on public filters to be edited by anyone. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18641  normal->lowest; +comment (10agarrett)
[16:49:07] <Prodego>	werdna: ok. If it helps: http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Special:AbuseLog
[16:49:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Abuse filter log: 'details' and 'examine' redundant - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18655  normal->lowest; +comment (10agarrett)
[16:49:19] <Prodego>	seemed to work normally
[16:49:24] <CIA-56>	03mrzman * r53365 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/ (7 files): 
[16:49:24] <CIA-56>	Followup to r53358 - Tweak the function name to be a little clearer as to what it does
[16:49:24] <CIA-56>	Also make it abstract in DatabaseBase so all subclasses have to implement some human readable name
[16:49:24] <CIA-56>	(also make getSoftwareLink abstract for the same reason) Every current Database class already implements both.
[16:49:48] <bahaa2008>	i want to choose the users that don't have userpage 
[16:49:49] <bahaa2008>	how can i do that
[16:51:02] <^demon>	bahaa2008: You can't remove the pages from existing, but you can prevent people from editing them.
[16:51:42] <bahaa2008>	i'm asking how to do so in mysql
[16:51:51] <bahaa2008>	i tried this query
[16:51:53] <MrZ-man>	^demon: changed to getDBtypeForMsg()
[16:52:12] <bahaa2008>	SELECT user.user_name ,page.page_title FROM user,page WHERE page.page_title!=user.user_name AND page.page_namespace=2;
[16:52:30] <bahaa2008>	but it don't give me what i want 
[16:52:36] <RoanKattouw>	SELECT user_name FROM user LEFT JOIN page ON (page_namespace=2 AND page_title=user_name) WHERE page_id IS NULL
[16:52:43] <Lukas9950>	why is the Special:ExtensionDistributor so laggy? <_<
[16:52:53] <^demon>	Lukas9950: It's broke
[16:53:05] <Lukas9950>	ah k
[16:53:05] <RoanKattouw>	I've been trying to get Tim to look at it for some time now
[16:53:11] <Sirisian|Work>	When you have a wiki on a server can you just copy the files and database from /var/www to another server and have it work?
[16:53:30] <RoanKattouw>	Sirisian|Work: If the URLs change, you'll need to change LocalSettings.php
[16:53:36] <^demon>	MrZ-man: Hot, love it :)
[16:53:48] <Sirisian|Work>	nah same IP. I'm remaking a server. Cool then.
[16:53:55] <Sirisian|Work>	thanks
[16:54:11] <bahaa2008>	RoanKattouw, thanks
[16:54:17] <bahaa2008>	it works great
[16:54:38] <bahaa2008>	^demon, thanks RoanKattouw solved my problem
[16:54:48] <^demon>	np.
[16:55:44] <^demon>	bahaa2008: Wow, I completely misread your original question. I thought you were wanting to _prevent_ users from having a userpage. Wow, it is not my day today.
[16:56:10] <bahaa2008>	:D
[16:56:14] <bahaa2008>	it's ok man 
[16:56:18] <bahaa2008>	np
[16:57:49] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: You'd save us all a lot of spam if you just ignored the priority field like everyone else does
[17:04:46] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: My bug list is unusable at the moment, trying to make it so.
[17:07:55] <^demon>	I am determined that this week the total number of bugs is going to go down instead of up.
[17:08:13] <Brownout>	I'm running on trunk and certain types of log entries are broken: targets contain html instead of wikilinks.
[17:08:41] <Brownout>	is it a stupid issue I may overlooked?
[17:08:48] <^demon>	Brownout: There's some double-escaping going on, I think it's been mentioned elsewhere (not fixed though).
[17:08:55] <Brownout>	ah, I see
[17:09:02] <Brownout>	thanks
[17:11:11] <MrZ-man>	^demon: probably shouldn't have picked a week when a branch was merged to trunk :P
[17:11:28] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: That would be quite historic
[17:11:54] <^demon>	Yeah, probably. That being said I've closed like 15-20 bugs in the last 2 days.
[17:11:57] <^demon>	So I'm doing my part.
[17:12:01] <RoanKattouw>	Last week Trevor and I closed 50 bugs together, and even then the bug count rose
[17:12:26] <TrevorParscal>	it's officially an infestation!
[17:12:47] <MrZ-man>	I think I've closed 2 and opened 2, so I'm just breaking even
[17:13:48] <CIA-56>	03tparscal * r53366 10/trunk/extensions/FundraiserPortal/ (33 files in 3 dirs): Added Tourmaline template.
[17:28:02] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[17:28:43] *OverlordQ 	pokes werdna
[17:28:49] <werdna>	wazzap
[17:29:09] <OverlordQ>	was just going to mention "if you're done spamming wikibugs might want to -b" :P
[17:29:18] <leche>	i still cant manage to login via MediaWiki::API
[17:29:19] <leche>	-.-
[17:30:26] <RoanKattouw>	leche: Error message?
[17:30:39] <^demon>	werdna: Do you think bug 1189 is fixed, since we can now tag individual revs?
[17:31:13] <werdna>	link me?
[17:31:42] <leche>	RoanKattouw: still the one with the encoding  Unable to decode content returned by https://intranet.num.math.uni-goettingen.de/api.php - Unknown content encoding?
[17:32:09] <RoanKattouw>	!b 1189 | werdna 
[17:32:09] --mwbot--	werdna: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1189
[17:32:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Mark edits suspicious, for review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1189  (10agarrett)
[17:33:04] <RoanKattouw>	leche: You sure you've got the latest version of your client libs?
[17:33:28] <Brownout>	I found some hardcoded paths in an extension, is it usual?
[17:33:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) individual revision tagging categorizing and sorting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4288  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:33:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mark edits suspicious, for review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1189  (10innocentkiller)
[17:33:52] <leche>	RoanKattouw: which would that imply? Just MediaWiki::API
[17:34:08] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[17:34:14] <OverlordQ>	libwww-perl as well
[17:34:15] <RoanKattouw>	And anything that might use in turn
[17:34:20] <OverlordQ>	MW:A doesn't actually do the decoding
[17:38:58] <RoanKattouw>	OverlordQ: What does?
[17:40:17] <OverlordQ>	at the very bottom? HTTP::Message
[17:42:05] <leche>	ill try to get all the latest libs via cpan
[17:42:15] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Mark edits suspicious, for review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1189  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[17:42:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451  (10buzz)
[17:43:13] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Contribution list for multiple users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16402  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:43:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide a 'user-watchlist' that lists all recent contributions of a set of users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:44:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page with javascript .focus() method - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864  (10trythirdtime)
[17:46:23] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[17:47:13] <Emufarmers_>	Nikerabbit: was that uga for me? :o
[17:51:35] <CIA-56>	03rotem * r53367 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[18:05:40] <CIA-56>	03tparscal * r53368 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Improved the apearance, behavior and consistency accross browsers of simple search.
[18:07:39] <CIA-56>	03tstarling * r53369 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[18:07:39] <CIA-56>	* Added FSRepo configuration properties thumbUrl and thumbDir, to allow the
[18:07:39] <CIA-56>	thumbnails to be stored in a separate location to the source images. Did this by
[18:07:39] <CIA-56>	making thumbnails a separate zone instead of a subdirectory of the public zone.
[18:07:39] <CIA-56>	Tested normal transform, thumb.php.
[18:07:42] <CIA-56>	* Removed getThumbRel(), doesn't make sense in conjunction with above options. Not used by core or hosted extensions.
[18:11:08] <svip>	O_O
[18:11:14] <svip>	Wait a minute, is rotem who I think it is?
[18:11:21] <svip>	19:51 < CIA-56> rotem * r53367 /trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[18:11:24] <svip>	Damn.
[18:11:34] <svip>	That dirt-crossing Israeli.
[18:12:04] <CIA-56>	03tparscal * r53370 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Improved simple search apearance in IE5 and IE6.
[18:12:11] <Prodego>	err....
[18:12:24] <svip>	What?
[18:12:28] <svip>	Too soon?
[18:15:06] <Simetrical>	svip, huh?
[18:15:21] <svip>	Huh huh?
[18:16:02] <Emufarmers_>	svip: explain yourself before the Jewish cabal destroys you.
[18:16:08] <Simetrical>	"<svip> Wait a minute, is rotem who I think it is? <svip> Damn. <svip> That dirt-crossing Israeli."
[18:16:24] <svip>	Emufarmers_: Well, I know that guy.
[18:16:26] <svip>	He can take it.
[18:16:29] <Simetrical>	Oh?
[18:16:34] <svip>	Yeah.
[18:16:46] <svip>	He has done plenty of useless translations into Hebrew for me.
[18:16:57] <Simetrical>	Useless because they aren't any good, or what?
[18:17:07] <Simetrical>	I haven't ever heard a complaint about his translation quality.
[18:17:08] <svip>	No, because the sentences are stupid.
[18:17:14] <Simetrical>	. . . ?
[18:17:26] <svip>	Something about a pig in a evergreen field with some choices I think.
[18:17:37] <svip>	It was strange.
[18:17:46] <svip>	His quality is good though.
[18:18:19] <svip>	Well, I wouldn't actually know.
[18:18:20] <flyingparchment>	Emufarmers_: hm.. is two enough for a zionist conspiracy?
[18:18:24] <svip>	Since... I don't speak Hebrew.
[18:18:29] <svip>	flyingparchment: No.
[18:18:34] <svip>	A conspiracy requires 3.
[18:18:39] <svip>	Two's a company, three's a conspiracy.
[18:18:56] <svip>	Dinner!
[18:18:58] <Emufarmers_>	flyingparchment: are you Jewish?
[18:19:05] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r53371 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js: 
[18:19:05] <CIA-56>	Escape . in regex
[18:19:05] <CIA-56>	This was previously done in r53143, and inadvertently undone in r53282.
[18:19:05] <CIA-56>	Thanks to Splarka for pointing it out, although I doubt it does
[18:19:05] <CIA-56>	anything.
[18:19:05] <flyingparchment>	Emufarmers_: no, but rotem and simetrical are
[18:19:14] <Emufarmers_>	So am I, so full conspiracy
[18:19:23] <flyingparchment>	(well, simetrical is, and someone said rotem is, so..)
[18:19:37] <charitwo>	river is actually an alien
[18:20:14] <Emufarmers_>	That actually makes *more* sense than the alternative
[18:21:30] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) User Will Not stayed logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17790  +comment (10cwilliams)
[18:22:49] <^demon>	I really don't know what else to say to bug 17790.
[18:23:29] <CIA-56>	03tparscal * r53372 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added authors to headings.
[18:24:55] <Emufarmers_>	Well, does it really only happen in 1.14+?
[18:26:12] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: I can't confirm. I installed 1.13.x and 1.14.x back in March to test, and I can't replicate. AFAICT, it's something with their provider.
[18:27:17] <CIA-56>	03tparscal * r53373 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditWarning/EditWarning.js: Minor comment adjustments.
[18:27:18] <Simetrical>	That doesn't mean we shouldn't provide a workaround if it's feasible, but we can't do that if it's not reproducible.
[18:27:21] <Simetrical>	For us, I mean.
[18:28:29] <^demon>	Simetrical: I'm in total agreement. I've yet to track down exactly what causes the break. If we can figure that, a workaround might be do-able, yes.
[18:28:38] <Simetrical>	This is what WORKSFORME is for.
[18:29:20] <Simetrical>	The responses weren't really correct, though.  They made it sound like we just don't care because it's someone else's fault.
[18:30:13] <^demon>	I never said I don't care :) I just said their provider has known issues with sessions & cookies and there's not (afaict) that we could do.
[18:30:41] <^demon>	I suggested WFM, Beta closed it as WONTFIX though, which was not correct yes.
[18:31:03] <Simetrical>	I notice mention of Zend Optimizer in what he posted.  Doesn't that cause problems sometimes?
[18:31:08] <Simetrical>	Maybe he should try disabling it?
[18:31:12] <Multichil>	Hi guys, anyone have some time to help me with the api? I want to play around with import, but what is the field to specify the destination page? Just "title" or something else? Doesn't seem to be in the api docs
[18:31:55] <^demon>	Simetrical: I was pretty sure we handle that issue sanely already (that and I would expect more bug reports about it if we didn't).
[18:32:30] <Emufarmers_>	I think Zend Optimizer is a problem mainly if you also try to run eAccelerator or the like
[18:32:40] <^demon>	*sigh*
[18:32:45] *^demon 	checks out 1.13 and 1.14 again
[18:33:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User Will Not stayed logged in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17790  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:34:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451  (10rohde)
[18:35:04] <^demon>	Simetrical: I'm going to get a list of everything changed between the two branches, minus lang files.
[18:35:18] <Simetrical>	That will be a lot.
[18:36:07] <^demon>	Yeah well :)
[18:36:14] <^demon>	Slow day at work :p
[18:38:43] <AzaToth>	when did sender of mails from bugzilla changed, and why?
[18:39:07] <Emufarmers_>	AzaToth: brion sent a mail about it on wikitech-l
[18:39:19] <Emufarmers_>	Just an hour ago, I think
[18:39:22] <OverlordQ>	today, and "to (hopefully) play nicer with spam 
[18:39:22] <OverlordQ>	filters and such.
[18:39:25] <OverlordQ>	oops, newline
[18:39:29] <AzaToth>	Emufarmers_: suddenly my inbox was spammed
[18:39:45] <Emufarmers_>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-July/044100.html
[18:40:32] <AzaToth>	Emufarmers_: brion was a bit late though
[18:40:46] <brion>	sowwy :)
[18:40:56] <AzaToth>	:-P
[18:42:09] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r53374 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/Calendar/ (SRF_Calendar.php skins/SRFC_main.css): Changed display of events with a 'color' setting to use a colored side border, instead of changing the text color
[18:42:13] <OverlordQ>	write a script to change it randomly >:D
[18:42:32] <^demon>	Simetrical: between skins and includes, there's 281 files that don't match between 1.13 and 1.14 branches
[18:43:49] <CIA-56>	03brion * r53375 10/branches/wmf-deployment/ (23 files in 17 dirs): 
[18:43:49] <CIA-56>	Merge Tim's addition of configurable thumbnail dir to FSRepo (trunk r53369)
[18:43:50] <CIA-56>	Also apparently some local merge metadata tweak in my working dir o_O
[18:54:45] <TrevorParscal>	ok - what's going on with this generated javascript thing?
[18:54:56] <TrevorParscal>	http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en-wp/index.php?title=-&action=raw&smaxage=0&gen=js&useskin=vector?urid=232_0
[18:55:17] <TrevorParscal>	the first part of this generated output sets the skin to monobook - wtf?
[19:14:34] <Emufarmers_>	Hmm, MW.org is the guinea pig for the new branch?
[19:14:57] <charitwo>	yes, and meta
[19:15:04] <^demon>	And test.
[19:15:10] <charitwo>	well thats a given
[19:15:17] <Simetrical>	Which new branch?
[19:15:31] <Emufarmers_>	The SVN one, I assume?  The sitenotice doesn't actually say
[19:15:37] <^demon>	Yeah, wmf-deployment
[19:15:50] <Simetrical>	Ah, so not really anything different, then.
[19:16:45] <Emufarmers_>	Probably wouldn't hurt to toss in a link to the list announcement so people aren't trying to figure out what's different
[19:17:25] <brion>	wmf-deployment branch yes
[19:17:33] <brion>	ideally the only thing different will be the version # on Special:Version
[19:18:38] <Emufarmers_>	Have you not done it yet?  Still seems to be the same number
[19:18:54] <Brownout>	it doesn't have this commits, am I wrong? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53173
[19:19:09] <Brownout>	since the logs look fine
[19:19:38] <brion>	Emufarmers_: sound better? http://www.mediawiki.org
[19:19:47] <brion>	(updated the sitenotice)
[19:19:55] <Emufarmers_>	brion: :)
[19:20:06] <brion>	Emufarmers_: you'll see the new branch ver number on special:version: MediaWiki  	1.16alpha-wmf (r53375)
[19:20:32] <brion>	Brownout: since that's a change on trunk, no it's not in the wmf-deployment branch
[19:20:41] <Brownout>	ok
[19:20:48] <^demon>	brion: While you're poking the wmf-deployment branch, can you see if r52762 could be merged (it's a regression fix)?
[19:20:54] <brion>	nothing else should be visibly different
[19:21:01] <brion>	yet :)
[19:23:03] <Emufarmers_>	brion: not to throw everything onto your plate, but could you take a look at the ExtensionDistributor thing?  Ot
[19:23:20] <Emufarmers_>	*it's been on the fritz for two days now
[19:23:35] <brion>	Emufarmers_: i believe tim looked at it just recently
[19:24:10] <brion>	basically, it's hideously inefficient and needs data on the image fileserver, which has been very slow at times
[19:24:20] <brion>	so.... when that's resolved for good it'll be fine
[19:24:33] <Emufarmers_>	Oh, so it's just the image server trouble bringing it down?
[19:24:38] <brion>	yops :(
[19:25:57] *^demon 	wonders when trunk is going to be sane again
[19:26:36] <Simetrical>	Then you'll blow everything up again by landing the maintenance branch, right?
[19:26:51] <^demon>	Pretty much yeah
[19:27:21] <CIA-56>	03tparscal * r53376 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: 
[19:27:21] <CIA-56>	Fixed bug that caused the last parameter of the generated users scripts (see
[19:27:21] <CIA-56>	Skin:generateUserJs) to become corrupted from a ? being always used to append an
[19:27:21] <CIA-56>	additional parameter (which if there are already paramters breaks stuff).
[19:35:37] <Multichil>	Hi guys, i'm still having problems with using import it the api. I can get an importtoken so the user is allowed to import (logged out i get "Action 'import' is not allowed for the current user").
[19:36:01] <RoanKattouw>	What goes wrong?
[19:36:08] <Multichil>	But when i try to import the actual file i get "You don't have permission to import pages"
[19:36:33] <xiong>	Simetrical, i found another file of mine i'd edited and needed to copy: Math.php; i'm using a weird latex solution
[19:36:52] <xiong>	btw, when will MW get full LaTeX parsing built-in??
[19:37:16] <Multichil>	When i take a look at http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiImport.php?revision=48091&view=markup it looks like it should only give this message when if(!$wgUser->isAllowed('import')) is true
[19:37:20] <Simetrical>	What does "full LaTeX parsing" mean?  Running arbitrary LaTeX code, including function calls and loops that could be used for a trivial DoS attack?
[19:37:23] <Simetrical>	In that case, never.
[19:37:25] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Ah, nice to have you here :-)
[19:38:22] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: Or if(!$wgUser->isAllowed('importupload')) perhaps
[19:38:23] <Simetrical>	Certainly not by default.
[19:38:35] <RoanKattouw>	Could you pastebin the output of meta=userinfo&uiprop=rights ?
[19:38:35] <Multichil>	Trying to expand the copy to Commons bot. It should import the original history before moving the file over to Commons
[19:39:01] <^demon>	If antything, the Math support needs removing to an extension.
[19:39:05] <RoanKattouw>	You're doing transwiki, right, not upload-import?
[19:39:15] <Multichil>	Yes, i want to do transwiki
[19:39:27] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[19:39:28] <Emufarmers_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/List_of_extensions_to_be_merged_to_the_core#Things_to_split_out_from_core_into_extensions <--
[19:39:47] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: What's the query you're using and what's your uiprop=rights output (pastebin)?
[19:40:06] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Just dumped some data into http://pywiki.pastey.net/117586
[19:40:55] <RoanKattouw>	{'title': u'Kenley Station.JPG', 'namespace': '6' is wrong
[19:41:05] <RoanKattouw>	Use title=File:Kenley Station.JPG and drop the namespace param
[19:41:26] <RoanKattouw>	In fact, drop the title param too
[19:42:13] <RoanKattouw>	Although you're right that that doesn't explain anything
[19:43:15] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : What if i want to import it under a different name?
[19:43:21] <Multichil>	Dropping it for now
[19:43:35] <RoanKattouw>	Can't do that
[19:43:39] <RoanKattouw>	Import & move
[19:43:42] <RoanKattouw>	Same for the UI
[19:44:09] <Multichil>	O right
[19:48:46] <jcw>	Howdy.  Is there a way to upload a file from the command to MW, bypassing the upload limits and such (as adminstrator)?  I've got a couple large files that I don't mind being downloaded, but I don't want to bork around with upload limits.
[19:49:29] <^demon>	jcw: You can upload them manually and then run the importImages.php maintenance script
[19:49:46] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Bot has import right according to the api
[19:49:56] <jcw>	Ah, cool.  URL on how to do that?  I've not down any manual uploads.
[19:50:01] <robertson>	I'm trying to upgrade from 1.12 to 1.15.1 but update.php errors with: Deleting old default messages (this may take a long time!)...PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function addGroup() on a non-object in /storage/web/roms/wiki/maintenance/deleteDefaultMessages.php on line 22"
[19:51:04] <Emufarmers_>	jcw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:ImportImages.php
[19:51:06] <jcw>	Ah, by upload manually you mean just put them on the local server somewhere the importImage script can get to it?
[19:51:35] <Simetrical>	robertson, are you sure you copied all the files correctly?  Try re-copying them.
[19:51:55] <^demon>	jcw: Yeah. You'd put it on the server then run importImages to add it to mediawiki (rather than using Special:Upload)
[19:52:02] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: Sure you're still logged in when doing action=import? Sure it's the same wiki
[19:52:06] <jcw>	Cool.
[19:54:02] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Pretty sure, see http://pywiki.pastey.net/117588
[19:54:24] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r53377 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/SpecialReplaceText.php: Fixed overcounting by one on number of pages
[19:54:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Successful Edit Call to wrong page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19774 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (grant.callaghan)
[19:54:55] <^demon>	Wow, the importImages example is needlessly confusing.
[19:56:09] <Emufarmers_>	#Invocation, or the stuff below?
[19:56:18] <^demon>	Invocation is fine and simple.
[19:56:28] <^demon>	The crap below it is useless and confusing.
[19:57:26] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r53378 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ (README ReplaceText.php): New version: 0.6.6
[19:57:43] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: Nuked it.
[19:57:52] <robertson>	Simetrical: I recopied the maintenence directory and it still says the same thing
[19:58:30] <robertson>	crap I have to go
[19:58:45] <RoanKattouw>	I don't think the problem is there
[19:58:50] <CIA-56>	03btongminh * r53379 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionListView.php: Add explicit title attribute to Path link in revision view, so that I can see the full path by hovering over a truncated path.
[19:59:15] <iwkse>	hi all, i installed mediawiki but when i request for email confirmation i don't get the email. there's a way to test if it's working or not?
[19:59:21] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: was it supposed to be explaining how to have it import recursively?
[20:00:11] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Successful Edit Call to wrong page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19774  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:00:21] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Any thoughts on what's going wrong?
[20:00:43] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: No idea; I can't read Python so that code snippet isn't very helpful
[20:01:02] <RoanKattouw>	Can you try doing intoken=import first, then uiprop=rights, then action=import ?
[20:01:11] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: Meh. The script should work recursively anyway :p The example was needlessly confusing.
[20:01:23] <RoanKattouw>	iwkse: Your server is probably not configured correctly
[20:01:34] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: actually, I'm pretty sure it doesn't.  Not sure the example did either, though
[20:01:38] <RoanKattouw>	Unless you wanna spend a lot of time configuring it, use $wgSMTP
[20:01:38] <iwkse>	RoanKattouw: shouldn't mediawiki use php to send emails?
[20:01:40] <RoanKattouw>	!wg SMTP | iwkse 
[20:01:40] --mwbot--	iwkse: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSMTP
[20:01:54] <RoanKattouw>	iwkse: Yes, and PHP uses sendmail unless told differently
[20:02:02] <Emufarmers_>	because I remember needing to write a script to call it for every subdirectory once
[20:02:03] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: Should as in "somebody should fix it so it does"
[20:02:08] <Emufarmers_>	:D
[20:02:46] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : I'm now getting rights, getting token, trying to import (fail!), gettin rights.
[20:03:01] <iwkse>	RoanKattouw: with other software i didn't have this problem anyway i'll check the link, thank you
[20:03:17] <Simetrical>	Love of . . . why does git svn fetch apparently check out the entire history of the repository again for every new branch that's created?
[20:03:19] *Simetrical 	stabs
[20:04:10] <Bryan>	can somebody look at http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionCommitter.php?view=markup, the line if ( !$redirTitle ) {
[20:04:23] <Bryan>	is it only me, or is that line totally pointless?
[20:04:45] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: if I try to fix it when I get home, I assume I should work off your branch?
[20:05:33] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: Isn't $redirtitle undefined at that point?
[20:06:27] <RoanKattouw>	I think there may be some name confusion between $redirTitle and $redirTarget
[20:06:31] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: I haven't done anything with importImages yet, so you're safe against trunk. Plus I've got my branch to a clean & stable merge point, which I don't want to botch :)
[20:06:55] <Bryan>	I thought so two, but look at the second last code line of the function
[20:06:58] <Bryan>	too
[20:07:27] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Ok. Now did, rights (ok), token, rights (ok), import (fail), rights (ok)
[20:07:32] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r53380 10/tags/extensions/ReplaceText/REL_0_6_6/ (7 files): Tag for version 0.6.6
[20:07:43] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: That's very weird
[20:08:06] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[20:09:39] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: What wiki is this you're connecting to?
[20:09:57] <jlerner>	is there anyway to transclude wikitext, automatically excluding <ref> tags?
[20:10:20] <Multichil>	Commons
[20:11:31] <RoanKattouw>	jlerner: No
[20:11:38] <Subfader>	in $wgOut->redirect(...) how would I add &action=purge ?
[20:11:50] <hanmac>	hello @ all
[20:12:08] <jlerner>	RoanKattouw: ok
[20:12:12] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : I had wireshark running: "MediaWiki-API-Error: cantimport"
[20:13:50] <Bryan>	don't do that, do the purge yourself before the redirect call
[20:14:10] <Multichil>	Bryan : Jij wellicht een idee wat er fout gaat?
[20:14:17] <Bryan>	wie waar wat
[20:14:31] <Bryan>	Subfader: that is, Article::doPurge
[20:14:36] <RoanKattouw>	A very mysterious error in ApiImport
[20:14:48] <Multichil>	Bryan : Trying to get pywikipedia to work with the api import'
[20:14:52] <RoanKattouw>	Lemme check the rev commons is running, we're all looking at HEAD code
[20:15:07] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Right, that's a good one!
[20:15:28] <Bryan>	sounds like loss of session data?
[20:15:34] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait, most recent rev to ApiImport is way older than the last scap
[20:15:43] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, except that in queries after the import, stuff works again
[20:16:05] <Multichil>	Bryan : When i ask which groups i'm in i get my username and that i have the import right
[20:16:10] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: Can you track down which headers your client is sending with the action=import request and pastebin them?
[20:16:22] <RoanKattouw>	Same for the uiprop=rights one for good measure
[20:16:26] <hanmac>	can i ask a little mediawiki question of should i post it on the wiki?
[20:16:35] <Subfader>	Bryan, it already uses $wgOut->redirect($wgServer.$wgScriptPath.'/index.php/'.$title->getPrefixedText());
[20:16:45] <RoanKattouw>	hanmac: Ask here, if anyone knows they'll answer
[20:16:56] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: Use $title->getFullUrl() instead
[20:17:29] <Subfader>	kk. it's an old extension i customize
[20:17:34] <Bryan>	Subfader: but what's the point of doing action=purge if you can just add a line $a=new Article($title); $a->doPurge()
[20:17:43] <Bryan>	before it
[20:18:08] <jcw>	^demon,  you the man.  That worked perfectly, thanks.
[20:18:17] <hanmac>	ok, in wikipedia, i have seen many templates in many languages ... but i can not seen, where the templates get the user information (or the uselang thing)
[20:18:31] <Subfader>	**tryi8ng
[20:19:17] <RoanKattouw>	hanmac: Link to an example of such a template?
[20:20:19] <hanmac>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-2.5
[20:20:20] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Sure. http://pywiki.pastey.net/117592
[20:20:47] <Multichil>	hanmac : Thats a little hack. It pulls it from {{int:Lang}}
[20:21:25] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: And the uiprop=rights request?
[20:21:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Feature Request : Dynamic Fonts in the Tamil Wikipedia (http://ta.wikipedia.org) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2361  +comment (10amir.aharoni)
[20:22:30] <hanmac>	yes, but {{int:lang}} is the same as {{CONTENTLANGUAGE}} or?
[20:22:40] <RoanKattouw>	No
[20:22:57] <RoanKattouw>	The latter get's the wiki's content language, the former gets the contents of the 'lang' message in the user language
[20:25:22] <RoanKattouw>	*gets
[20:26:20] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : http://pywiki.pastey.net/117593 . The response is gziped so doesn't look that nice ;-)
[20:26:30] <hanmac>	but {{int:lang}} is only en, there did it get the information?
[20:26:57] <RoanKattouw>	Cookie: commonswiki_session=<removed>; centralauth_User=BotMultichill; centralauth_Token=<removed>; centralauth_Session=<removed>; commonswikiUserID=211386; commonswikiUserName=BotMultichill  
[20:27:07] <Multichil>	hanmac : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Lang/
[20:27:08] <RoanKattouw>	The action=import request isn't sending that one
[20:29:14] <hanmac>	oh .. now i understand ... (so i only must copy all this pages?)
[20:29:27] <RoanKattouw>	No, you don't need them
[20:29:47] <RoanKattouw>	Or wait, you do
[20:29:55] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : You do, that's the hack
[20:30:19] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : So someone stole my cookie. Maybe because it's a post request?
[20:30:47] <RoanKattouw>	Multichil: Possibly. For some reason, your client lib isn't setting the cookie
[20:31:10] <swat16a>	aqui es soporte mediwiki?
[20:31:42] <RoanKattouw>	Si; no hablos Español
[20:31:56] <swat16a>	ok
[20:32:00] <RoanKattouw>	That's about all the Spanish I can manage :)
[20:32:04] <swat16a>	y speak english xD
[20:32:07] <swat16a>	I
[20:32:09] <swat16a>	*
[20:32:19] <swat16a>	i have a problem
[20:32:41] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Thanks. Looks i have to blame some json module :-(
[20:32:51] <RoanKattouw>	^^
[20:32:59] <swat16a>	i can´t install mediwiki T.T
[20:33:00] <RoanKattouw>	Shouldn't that be on the decoding end?
[20:33:38] <Emufarmers_>	swat16a: what happens when you try?  What error do you get?
[20:33:39] <swat16a>	for install, i upload files to ftp?
[20:34:23] <swat16a>	wait pleas
[20:34:25] <swat16a>	e
[20:34:43] <roberthl>	http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00150.html May be of interest to anyone running FCKeditor here.
[20:35:18] <Subfader>	ok i could only get $wgOut->redirect($title->getFullUrl('action purge')); to work. ok for me :)
[20:36:06] <RoanKattouw>	Subfader: Not very nice for anons, if applicable
[20:36:30] <Subfader>	i need it esp for anons
[20:36:55] <Subfader>	cos for logged in users it works withoput purging
[20:36:57] <RoanKattouw>	They'll get a confirmation thingy with an OK button first (try)
[20:37:07] <Subfader>	kk
[20:37:10] <swat16a>	I ´m uploading a image error
[20:37:13] <swat16a>	: D
[20:37:22] <Multichil>	RoanKattouw : Yeah, found the lost cookies :-D
[20:37:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support dynamic fonts (CSS 3 @font-face, ttf/otf/eot, web fonts) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2361  summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:38:02] <Multichil>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File%3AKenley+Station.JPG
[20:38:07] <hanmac>	little thing 2#: what must i do, to leave the file: or localised namespace in a <gallery> tag? 
[20:38:12] <RoanKattouw>	Whee
[20:38:23] <RoanKattouw>	hanmac: Doesn't matter
[20:38:30] <RoanKattouw>	File: works on every wiki regardless of language
[20:38:45] <swat16a>	RoanKattouw       http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1674/aee.png
[20:38:48] <swat16a>	image error
[20:39:10] <swat16a>	o Emufarmers xD
[20:39:43] <Bryan>	use a table prefix
[20:39:48] <swat16a>	?
[20:40:01] <RoanKattouw>	When the installer asks for a table prefix, enter something like wiki_
[20:40:15] <swat16a>	ok wait pplease : D
[20:40:16] <hanmac>	@bryan: did you mean me?
[20:40:39] <Bryan>	no swat16a 
[20:40:42] <swat16a>	?
[20:40:51] <Subfader>	hmh no confirm popup.
[20:41:10] <swat16a>	T.T what i write?
[20:41:43] <hanmac>	jes, but i mean:
[20:41:45] <hanmac>	<gallery>
[20:41:47] <hanmac>	file1.png
[20:41:47] <swat16a>	Bryan what i write?
[20:41:49] <hanmac>	file2.png
[20:41:51] <hanmac>	</gallery>
[20:41:52] <hanmac>	instat of
[20:41:54] <hanmac>	<gallery>
[20:41:56] <hanmac>	File:file1.png
[20:41:58] <hanmac>	File:file2.png
[20:41:59] <hanmac>	</gallery>
[20:42:01] <hanmac>	if you have many images, you can short the code ...
[20:42:14] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: Doesn't really matter, something like wiki_
[20:42:35] <swat16a>	? 
[20:42:59] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: hanmac asked Bryan if he meant him and Bryan said "no, I meant swat16a"
[20:43:27] <swat16a>	aaaa
[20:43:33] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: You need to go back to the installer form and fill it out the exact same way except enter wiki_ in the field for "table prefix"
[20:44:00] <scoobyrico>	 $wgOut is which php file?
[20:44:03] <swat16a>	Creating tables...Query "CREATE UNIQUE INDEX user_name ON `wiki_user` (user_name) " failed with error code "Access denied for user 'admin235415'@'localhost' to database 'db_eventhaunter_webspacemania_com' (localhost)". 
[20:44:18] <scoobyrico>	or what kind of object is it
[20:44:23] <Subfader>	sicen you guys talk about it.any chance to finally use imgaename sin gallery tags without the ns prefix as announced in MW 1.14? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17685
[20:44:25] <swat16a>	aaaa
[20:44:36] <swat16a>	I don´t use localhost
[20:44:48] <swat16a>	xDD yes i use xD
[20:44:59] <Emufarmers_>	scoobyrico: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgOut
[20:45:18] <Bryan>	swat16a: during the installation, it asks for a table prefix, fill in something there
[20:45:24] <scoobyrico>	snap, thanks, I was looking for the wrong thing
[20:45:35] <Bryan>	something like wikidb_
[20:45:36] <swat16a>	yes
[20:45:43] <swat16a>	Database table prefix
[20:45:47] <swat16a>	i write wiki_
[20:45:54] <Bryan>	yes that should be fine
[20:46:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support dynamic fonts (CSS 3 @font-face, ttf/otf/eot, web fonts) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2361  (10brion)
[20:46:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable TTF file uploads on Wikimedia projects (font uploading) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18692  (10brion)
[20:47:37] <swat16a>	Creating tables...Query "CREATE UNIQUE INDEX user_name ON `wikidb_user` (user_name) " failed with error code "Access denied for user 'admin235415'@'localhost' to database 'db_eventhaunter_webspacemania_com' (localhost)". 
[20:47:39] <swat16a>	T.T
[20:48:10] <Lady_Aleena>	Does anyone here have a bracket matcher? I lost mine, and I have a lot of extra brackets coming from somewhere.
[20:48:19] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: Make sure that the DB user has sufficient permissions
[20:49:08] <swat16a>	how  I put permissions?
[20:51:00] <Duesentrieb>	swat16a: grant all privileges on db_eventhaunter_webspacemania_com.* to 'admin235415'@'localhost';
[20:51:30] <swat16a>	how?
[20:51:45] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: Run the query Duesentrieb gave you in MySQL
[20:52:07] <Duesentrieb>	swat16a: that's an actual sql command.
[20:52:14] <swat16a>	ok
[20:52:56] <swat16a>	how?
[20:52:57] <swat16a>	xD
[20:53:24] <Emufarmers_>	swat16a: do you have phpMyAdmin?
[20:53:38] <swat16a>	yes
[20:53:49] <scoobyrico>	so if you have the page title you and you want it to display that page?  isn't $wgOut the correct object?
[20:53:56] <Emufarmers_>	You can enter queries in it
[20:54:06] <hanmac>	@RoanKattouw: idea what i must do to remove the file: thing from the galleries? (but so that a file: not corupt the thing)
[20:54:07] <Emufarmers_>	though you may end up needing to ask your host
[20:54:38] <Duesentrieb>	well, it sounds like it can create tables, but not indexes
[20:54:44] <swat16a>	better explain that I do not understand much 
[20:54:48] <Duesentrieb>	which in turn means the host has fucked up :=)
[20:55:50] <Emufarmers_>	Duesentrieb: that's not surprising; looks like a free host. :/
[20:55:55] <RoanKattouw>	hanmac: Which version of MediaWiki are you running? Also, does what you want work on Wikipedia?
[20:56:05] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki on a free host -> fail.
[20:56:36] <Emufarmers_>	Apache/2.0.52 (Unix) PHP/4.4.2 Server at www.webspacemania.com Port 80  <-- Also not a good sign :p
[20:56:53] <RoanKattouw>	Whoops
[20:57:00] <RoanKattouw>	Which version of MediaWiki are you running there? :P
[20:57:02] <hanmac>	1. newest version  (1.15.1)
[20:57:04] <hanmac>	2. no i have no todo with wikipedia
[20:57:20] <swat16a>	aaa
[20:57:28] <RoanKattouw>	hanmac: I know; but if it works on Wikipedia, that coud indicate it's been fixed since the 1.15.1 release
[20:57:31] <RoanKattouw>	*could
[20:57:55] <swat16a>	then what i do?
[20:58:07] <swat16a>	MediaWiki 1.15.0 Installation
[20:58:14] <prefrontal>	mwclient is getting '<b>Notice</b>:  Undefined variable: secure in <b>/var/www/mediawiki/code/api.php</b> on line <b>62</b><br />' 
[20:58:19] <prefrontal>	this shows up in the mediawiki api json output
[20:58:32] <RoanKattouw>	Emufarmers_: Whose server did you get that PHP/4.4.2 message on?
[20:58:41] <RoanKattouw>	*sigh*
[20:58:48] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: <prefrontal>	mwclient is getting '<b>Notice</b>:  Undefined variable: secure in <b>/var/www/mediawiki/code/api.php</b> on line <b>62</b><br />' 
[20:59:03] <RoanKattouw>	prefrontal: Is this on Wikipedia?
[20:59:04] <Emufarmers_>	RoanKattuw: I just went to webspacemania.com/sdfjdkslfjdsfklj
[20:59:11] <werdna>	bah
[20:59:22] <Emufarmers_>	scoobyrico: you might want to look at the Title class
[20:59:25] <RoanKattouw>	Emufarmers_: OK, but is that swat16a's or hanmac's site?
[20:59:31] <prefrontal>	RoanKattouw, no its on my own wiki. here is a paste http://pastebin.ca/1497503
[20:59:37] <Emufarmers_>	RoanKattouw: oh, swat16a's
[20:59:41] <prefrontal>	although, its probably on wikipedia since i am using the deployment branch
[20:59:43] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[20:59:50] <scoobyrico>	Emufarmers: thanks so much
[21:00:03] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: You have PHP 4 and therefore can't run MW 1.15. 1.6 is the highest version that's compatible with PHP 4
[21:00:14] <swat16a>	wait xD
[21:00:23] <ialex>	1.15 > 1.6
[21:00:23] <Emufarmers_>	Well, it's not impossible that they also offer PHP5, but I wouldn't count on it :(
[21:00:51] <hanmac>	without file: does it not work , maybe it is also a hack?
[21:00:56] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: Try to replace .php with .php5 in the installer URL and see if that works
[21:01:07] <CIA-56>	03brion * r53381 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: hack in a more detailed warning when wfMkdirParents() fails, to work around PHP's warning in the error log not including the actual path.
[21:01:09] <swat16a>	explaind please xD
[21:01:29] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: MW 1.7 and higher require PHP 5, which you don't have. You've got PHP 4. so the best you can do is MW 1.6
[21:01:29] <swat16a>	http://eventhaunter.webspacemania.com/wiki/config/index.php?
[21:01:39] <swat16a>	aaaa
[21:01:50] <swat16a>	i have to install MW 1.6?
[21:01:52] <RoanKattouw>	http://eventhaunter.webspacemania.com/wiki/config/index.php5 doesn't work, so you really don't have PHP 5 :(
[21:01:56] <Duesentrieb>	php4? ick.
[21:02:07] <RoanKattouw>	I'm amazed that the installer doesn't check for that
[21:02:12] <swat16a>	then
[21:02:16] <swat16a>	i install php 5?
[21:02:18] <Emufarmers_>	Eh, no, it says "PHP 5.2.5 installed"
[21:02:23] <Duesentrieb>	swat16a: you shoud *really* consider to invest the six bucks/month it takes to get decent hosting...
[21:02:45] <swat16a>	T.T
[21:02:55] <swat16a>	i have a blog
[21:02:56] <Emufarmers_>	It probably isn't configured to recognize the .php5 extension, though
[21:03:02] <ialex>	register_globals + safe_mode + 16M max : ouch
[21:03:02] <swat16a>	but
[21:03:33] <swat16a>	I want to expand information
[21:03:37] <RoanKattouw>	Oh the installer says PHP 5.2.5 
[21:03:41] <swat16a>	mor information xD
[21:03:41] <prefrontal>	RoanKattouw, do you think i can suppress this Notice? otherwise i am trying to hack this json library to ignore errors like that
[21:03:43] <ialex>	16M will not be sufficient for MW
[21:03:47] <RoanKattouw>	I'm sorry swat16a, forget all I said about PHP 4 and 5, I was wrong
[21:04:08] <swat16a>	aaa ok
[21:04:09] <ialex>	or only for little pages
[21:04:12] <swat16a>	theN?
[21:04:13] <RoanKattouw>	prefrontal: ini_set('display_errors', 0); in LocalSettings.php
[21:04:20] <prefrontal>	thanks!:)
[21:04:38] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: Then you should still ask your host to give you permission to run CREATE INDEX on your database
[21:04:57] <swat16a>	aaaa
[21:04:59] <swat16a>	ok
[21:05:02] <swat16a>	uff
[21:05:06] <swat16a>	is free host xD
[21:05:23] <swat16a>	i go to dinner
[21:06:27] <ialex>	swat16a: change it asap :P
[21:08:53] <prefrontal>	RoanKattouw, that did indeed fix it btw, thanks
[21:17:34] <swat16a>	hi
[21:18:43] <swat16a>	what i do?
[21:20:53] <Merlissimo>	why is xml:space="preserve" added to so much xml tags of Api modules altough it does not make in most cases?
[21:21:04] <swat16a>	asap?
[21:21:25] <Bryan>	Merlissimo: because it doesn't hurt and determining which ones do need it is too much work
[21:21:25] <RoanKattouw>	Merlissimo: It's added to all tags that contain text
[21:21:35] <swat16a>	http://www.hosting-asap.com/ ?
[21:21:57] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: Talk to your host, ask them to give you permission to do CREATE INDEX queries, or switch to a different hos
[21:21:58] <RoanKattouw>	t
[21:22:08] <swat16a>	ok
[21:22:40] <poke`>	hey
[21:22:45] <swat16a>	but i can´t do these?
[21:23:08] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: Right now you're not allowed to do CREATE INDEX queries, your host can give you permission to
[21:23:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hewiktionary pages-articles.xml dump corrupted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18651  (10iorsh)
[21:23:27] <swat16a>	aaaaaa
[21:23:29] <swat16a>	ok
[21:24:01] <poke`>	I'm getting this stupid "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of nnn bytes exhausted (tried to allocate nnn bytes)" error when editing _red links_ on a fresh installed MW on a fresh installed server; I tried to increase the memory limit to 64M but it didn't help anything. What other reasons could that error have?
[21:24:05] <Merlissimo>	RoanKattouw is it to much work to add it only if there are inner (text-)nodes?
[21:24:22] <RoanKattouw>	Merlissimo: That's what we're doing right now AFAIK
[21:24:38] <Emufarmers_>	poke`: did the error change?
[21:24:46] <RoanKattouw>	The numbers in the error that is?
[21:24:51] <poke`>	no, same byte numbers as before
[21:25:02] <poke`>	"size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 30720 bytes)"
[21:25:02] <OverlordQ>	did you restart apache? edit the right config?
[21:25:04] <Emufarmers_>	Then you didn't set the memory limit in the right place
[21:25:19] <poke`>	yes, phpinfo() is showing the new settings correctly
[21:25:27] <OverlordQ>	check LocalSettings
[21:25:39] <OverlordQ>	look for the ini_set line wrt memory and comment it out
[21:26:20] <poke`>	oh. Didn't know there was such a line in there - thanks :)
[21:26:35] <poke`>	Seems to work, but why was the problem only there with red links?
[21:26:45] <swat16a>	and you know some host free for mediawiki?
[21:26:47] <OverlordQ>	just the way the cookie crumbled
[21:26:56] <RoanKattouw>	For some reason those seem to require just slightly more memory
[21:27:48] <poke`>	hmm, okay - thanks anyway, evening saved :D
[21:28:10] <swat16a>	T.T
[21:29:30] <swat16a>	and hoe made this site?  http://www.pokemon-light.co.cc/
[21:29:32] <swat16a>	I want something similar  xD
[21:29:32] <OverlordQ>	if you originally installed when PHP was configured with < 20 megs the installer boosts it to 20 and puts it in the config
[21:29:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Config sync scripts fail to update machines with NFS-less /home configuration. Breaks mhr.wikipedia new addition - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19683  +comment (10brion)
[21:30:06] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: That's not a wiki, FWIW
[21:30:12] <swat16a>	xD ok
[21:30:38] <swat16a>	how i increase the php memory=
[21:30:39] <swat16a>	?
[21:31:14] <poke`>	that was not directed at you swat16a :)
[21:31:15] <RoanKattouw>	swat16a: 
[21:31:19] <RoanKattouw>	Oops
[21:31:32] <gpled>	was reading the INSTALL file from source.  it said i could rename mediawiki-1.15.1 to just wiki.   
[21:31:33] <Emufarmers_>	OverlordQ: it should probably go higher
[21:31:33] <swat16a>	aaa ok
[21:31:54] <Emufarmers_>	32 or 40 would probably be a good default
[21:31:55] <poke`>	You might want to look for some free Content Management System instead, swat16a
[21:31:58] <gpled>	but here:  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki it says i should not do that
[21:32:01] <swat16a>	I'm confused  T.T
[21:32:13] <gpled>	"Do not use /wiki/ if you want to use it as a Short URL."
[21:32:19] <RoanKattouw>	gpled: If you want pretty URLs that use /wiki/Pagename , you should use /w instead
[21:32:29] <RoanKattouw>	Or anything else that isn't /wiki
[21:33:51] <gpled>	is /var/www/html/w  a good home for wiki?
[21:34:06] <swat16a>	then remove wiki and put w ?
[21:39:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) hewiktionary pages-articles.xml dump corrupted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18651  (10iorsh)
[21:42:22] <RoanKattouw>	(what I meant by use /w is put your files such as index.php in /w )
[21:48:57] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r53382 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/ (5 files in 4 dirs): fix alias extraction
[21:50:23] <Emufarmers_>	OverlordQ: where does it actually put it in the config?  All I see is ini_set for the installer
[21:53:26] <Simetrical>	Who decided on ? and & being different characters for URL query strings anyway?  Why couldn't they have just used ? as a param separator?  That would make life so much easier.
[21:55:25] <Emufarmers_>	OverlordQ: nevermind, I see it
[21:59:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Increase the memory limit that the installer sets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19775 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (Emufarmers)
[22:04:40] <elysianfields>	Does anyone know: where can I get a snapshot of wikipedia, and how can I import it (or any articles, for that matter) into my local mediawiki? Thanks.
[22:05:19] <elysianfields>	(actually it doesn't even have to be wikipedia, just any large-scale wiki.)
[22:17:04] <Danny_B>	ns mediawiki is protected and  editable with right editinterface, is it possible to create eg. right edithelp and have the help ns protected and editable only by users with this right?
[22:17:56] <poke`>	Is "Special:ExtensionDistributor" down for anybody else? :/
[22:21:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) log entries of non-blocked edits which were never submitted? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19605  (10email_metawiki_138)
[22:31:36] <stwalkerster>	I'm getting a database error from within extension:codereview, when trying to view the revisions which have a specific tag
[22:31:59] <stwalkerster>	..." within function "IndexPager::reallyDoQuery (SvnRevTagTablePager)". MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'cr_repo_id' in 'on clause' (localhost)"."
[22:32:25] <stwalkerster>	I've checked the schema - seems to be up-to-date
[22:32:54] <stwalkerster>	and the code is from the wmf-deployment branch
[22:33:03] <thedj>	who do i CC for commits by user ialex ?
[22:33:20] <ialex>	thedj: hmm?
[22:33:25] <Chapso>	I'm having an issue with downloading mediawiki extentions.  Is this something that people are aware of?
[22:33:41] <thedj>	ialex: ah, well this will work as well i guess :D
[22:33:43] <thedj>	#19759
[22:33:44] <Chapso>	error message:Download MediaWiki extension 		 			From MediaWiki.org 			 									Subversion encountered an error: svn: Working copy '/mnt/upload5/private/ExtensionDistributor/mw-snapshot/trunk/extensions' locked svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) 
[22:33:53] <ialex>	!b 19759
[22:33:53] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19759
[22:33:54] <Prodego>	Chapso: yea
[22:33:56] <hanmac>	i have a question about shared files:
[22:33:57] <hanmac>	i have file A in the pool, and in wiki 1 i would like have a redirect from file B to file A in wiki 2 from file C to file A ... posibile to understand?
[22:34:34] <Chapso>	Prodego: Any idea where I could find a mirror?
[22:34:51] <Prodego>	you can still get the extentions directly from svn
[22:34:59] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) successbox misaligned in classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19759  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[22:35:24] <Chapso>	okay.  what is the issue with the distributer?
[22:35:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) successbox misaligned in classic skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19759  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[22:35:43] <ialex>	there we go :)
[22:36:00] <thedj>	good.
[22:36:06] <thedj>	thank you.
[22:36:15] <ialex>	but no time to do this now
[22:36:39] <thedj>	that's no problem, i just like it when people of revs are aware.
[22:37:10] <thedj>	just so you don't run into "but no one told me !!!" issues :D 
[22:37:18] <ialex>	also, you can comment in Special:Code and it will email me
[22:37:27] <ialex>	with e.g. a link to the bug
[22:37:32] <Prodego>	Chapso: it hasn't been working well, Tim-away is the one in charge of it
[22:37:39] <ialex>	(or directly report the bug there)
[22:37:46] <Prodego>	I don't know what the exact issue is
[22:37:47] <Chapso>	I see.  Thanks
[22:39:02] <thedj>	ialex: I never really used Special:Code before...
[22:46:30] <brion>	omfg we could integrate a Bespin editor and you could code and commit from inside the wiki! ;)
[22:46:35] <brion>	ok that would ROCK
[22:47:07] <mohammedsafwat>	Hello all , I want to authenticate users from external form , and I read about "AuthPlugin" , but still do not know how to start .. 
[22:47:16] <mohammedsafwat>	any tips ?
[22:48:02] *thedj 	takes brion off the Nitrious Oxide....
[22:49:35] <CIA-56>	03tparscal * r53383 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Fixed loading order problems which caused UsabilityInitiativeHooks::addJs to be called too late. Added SimpleSearch which enhances the simplified search for Vector.
[22:50:53] <thedj>	TrevorParscal: I think this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)&diff=next&oldid=302467229 is caused by the new toolbar. But i'm not sure why yet. 
[22:51:27] <TrevorParscal>	how would the new toolbar do that?
[22:51:35] <TrevorParscal>	misuse of any toolbar could do that...
[22:51:51] <thedj>	Well i experienced the same after i recently enabled the toolbar.
[22:52:12] <TrevorParscal>	hmm
[22:52:22] <thedj>	i'm trying to pinpoint it to a browser or something, but it's something with hitting eneter under certain conditions.
[22:52:27] <thedj>	enter
[22:52:44] <thedj>	it might be a Safari, or perhaps Mac only issue.
[22:53:11] <MrZ-man>	Jarry says he's using Chrome - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mr.Z-man#WP:VPR
[22:53:12] <thedj>	if i can find something substantial, i'll open a bugreport.
[22:53:30] <thedj>	i'm using Safari, so that is a connection.
[22:55:40] <CIA-56>	03tparscal * r53384 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Vector.php: Prevent wrapping by using &nbsp; instead of spaces in labels on drop down menus. Not ideal, but for cross browser support down to IE5.5, this is what we end up with.
[22:56:04] <TrevorParscal>	thedj: thanks!
[23:00:24] <thedj>	TrevorParscal: GOT it.
[23:01:44] <thedj>	TrevorParscal: it is a new toolbar + WikEd issue. The combination is the cause for this behaviour.
[23:01:58] <TrevorParscal>	ic
[23:02:13] <thedj>	I will inform the WikEd maintainer first.
[23:04:26] <thedj>	TrevorParscal: i think it might be a conflicting ID or something.
[23:04:42] <TrevorParscal>	perhaps
[23:04:45] <TrevorParscal>	I will look into it
[23:04:51] <TrevorParscal>	never tried using both of those together
[23:10:37] <thedj>	TrevorParscal: filed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cacycle/wikEd#Bold_text
[23:10:57] <TrevorParscal>	do you know how to use bugzilla?
[23:11:05] <thedj>	yes
[23:13:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) render wikipedia:language:page as a direct link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12319  (10jidanni)
[23:17:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) '''Bold Text''' when both the new toolbar and wikEd are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19776 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (hartman)
[23:18:42] <TrevorParscal>	thedj: sweet!
[23:21:04] <thedj>	TrevorParscal: np.
[23:34:45] <mohammedsafwat>	I do not know how to start with AuthPlugin for authenticating users from external form 
[23:34:54] <mohammedsafwat>	anyone has a suggestion ?