foo

[00:02:02] 03tparscal * r53385 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: Solves double escaping issue for moveThisPage function (used by CologneBlue and Standard skins) - seen when on pages with titles that contain diacritical marks. [00:12:55] 03(mod) new extension: cooperation statstics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19665 +comment (10alfred.maghi) [00:20:06] 03brion * r53386 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): throw in a quick hack to disable image deletion/restore if $wgUploadMaintenance is set [00:23:22] 03mrzman * r53387 10/trunk/extensions/IndexFunction/ (IndexFunction.php SpecialIndex.php): Tweak special page group, but make it unlisted for now [00:24:11] 03mrzman * r53388 10/trunk/extensions/IndexFunction/SpecialIndex.php: remove old, commented-out code [00:38:49] Is it possible to add a purge link via a user's custom sidebar page? [00:39:12] I tried to do it but it's not working so well...maybe a cache is messing it up :( [01:09:24] 14(DUP) Increase the memory limit that the installer sets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19775 +comment (10innocentkiller) [01:09:26] 03(mod) Default memory limit should be increased - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16084 +comment (10innocentkiller) [02:53:58] 03(mod) Default memory limit should be increased - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16084 (10Emufarmers) [03:04:47] yay. [03:09:29] the names of the tabs in vector don't make any sense, and i'm not sure if it's just wikipedia's messages or not [03:09:38] but it's "Read", "Source", "History" [03:09:57] the first should be "Page" or something to keep in the trend of using nouns [03:10:15] kind of an odd leap from that to "don't make any sense" [03:10:30] Doesn't make any sense. I'm already reading! [03:22:36] is the Gadgets extension broken in svn? [03:22:48] I'm getting the following error trying to enable it: [03:22:50] Fatal error: Call to undefined method OutputPage::getTitle() in /var/www/w/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php on line 165 [03:23:25] using mediawiki 1.15 [03:24:26] ` [03:39:33] discussion page to the rescue. used a branched version and it worked fine. [03:55:31] I am having trouble adding extensions to my personal wiki [03:55:44] help [03:56:41] you're going to need to be a little more specific! [03:58:40] I added CreateArticle.php file to the extensions folder . But when I add *add require_once( "$IP/extensions/CreateBox/CreateBox.php");* I get errors . :: [04:00:41] you don't have those asterisks in there do you [04:01:47] charitwo : Ah no [04:02:36] also, you mentioned CreateArticle.php but this is CreateBox.php [04:04:07] Ah sorry what I added in the localsettings.php was CreateArticle.php though [04:04:26] if you're adding this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CreateBox [04:04:35] it needs to be [04:04:36] require_once( "$IP/extensions/CreateBox/CreateBox.php"); [04:07:00] Here are the errors : http://pastebin.com/m6d12945a [04:07:59] Twittery: you didn't paste code into CreateArticle correctly [04:08:19] Then what went worng [04:08:22] *wrong [04:08:26] you probably left a blank space before the start tag ( let me see [04:09:14] also, you didn't put all of that stuff in the pastebin into CreateArticle, did you? just the actual PHP code? [04:09:48] No that was the errors I got [04:12:04] chuck ; I cannot find any blank space there [04:12:18] mmm, blockers: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19706 [04:12:26] what's the first line in CreateArticle? [04:13:13] 03(mod) Show changes dispaly text from other sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19765 trivial->15enhancement (10herd) [04:13:48] chuck : Ah sorry my time is up . Can't be late today . But I'd be back this evening to solve the problem. [04:23:38] 03straussd * r53389 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/modules/civicrm/ (179 files in 57 dirs): Wikimedia-CiviCRM 2.2.7 [04:50:14] 03straussd * r53390 10/civicrm/trunk/ (102 files in 43 dirs): Drupal 6.13 [05:00:06] 03(NEW) Set sitename of Turkmen wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19777 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (hanberke7) [05:10:08] 03(mod) Set sitename of Turkmen wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19777 (10p858snake) [05:39:28] [11:54:56] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en-wp/index.php?title=-&action=raw&smaxage=0&gen=js&useskin=vector?urid=232_0 [05:39:40] so did anyone point out to him there is no skin "vector?urid=232_0" ? heh [05:42:33] ahh, r53376 [05:42:46] guess he figured it out [05:43:43] the best problems are the ones that fix themselves [05:51:19] good (in my timezone) morning! [05:53:57] i have a question about shared files: i have file A in the pool, and in wiki 1 i would like have a redirect from file B to file A in wiki 2 from file C to file A ... posibile to understand? (so i can use localized names for the files) [05:54:23] *Splarka wonders if that works [05:55:20] that is the point Splarka ... it does not work [05:55:47] hanmac: you asked that several hours ago, didn't you [05:57:41] yes .... i did .. but there noone gives an answer or a comment (and then i have no time because i must sleep) [05:58:32] I saw it then, and didn't know then either :) [05:58:39] what version of MediaWiki are you using? [[Special:Version]] [05:59:09] 1.15.1 [05:59:34] ugga [06:00:23] hmm [06:03:48] 03(mod) Out of memory in diff - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9410 (10N/A) [06:05:29] 03(mod) Apache dies with "allowed memory size exhausted" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19663 (10niklas.laxstrom) [06:05:32] 03(mod) Default memory limit should be increased - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16084 (10niklas.laxstrom) [06:14:40] hanmac: looks like the only way to do it is to have the redirects on your shared repo [06:15:04] jup, that is the same that i think [06:15:32] but at least that way you don't have to upload a copy to each wiki [06:15:48] is this related to the recent font discussion, Simetrical http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2009/07/fuck-foundries.html [06:16:44] that is why i use the shared wiki (also for sharing templates, and for star-form-like interwiki) [06:17:37] so i must go, but i will come back with new qestions :P [06:19:48] Why is it that parser functions and wikicode don't mix well? :S [06:19:57] somebody chose a poor blog title: Live from the NIH Wikipedia academy [06:21:20] Aleena: wikitables? >_< [06:21:39] Splarka, yep, driving me up the metaphorical wall. [06:21:46] that's what is for [06:22:07] Tim-away, it is the rows that are doing this to me. [06:22:22] you use for them [06:22:47] Tim-away, I am considering just redoing the whole blasted thing in html. [06:23:45] should be able to mix them (I believe that is one of the differences (even with NewPP) with using tidy) [06:24:13] Splarka, I prefer to do one or the other, but not both. [06:24:28] 03(NEW) Headings defined using HTML tags are not considered as sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19778 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [06:24:44] *Lady_Aleena giggles. [06:24:45] tidy is also a bit rude auto-converting and removing

extra      spaces     here

[06:26:05] And this little project was supposed to be a quickie. [06:26:12] *Lady_Aleena blurbles. [06:26:36] what do you mean by "mixing them"? [06:26:47]

and are valid wikitext, just like {| and |- [06:26:53] Tim-away, I either use HTML or Wikicode, but not together. [06:27:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?text=%7B%7C+border%3D1%0D%0A%7C%7C+foo%0D%0A%3Ctr%3E%3Ctd%3Ebar%3C%2Ftd%3E%3C%2Ftr%3E%0D%0A%7C%7D&title=Foo&action=parse&format=jsonfm&uselang=en [06:27:36] ^ that won't work without tidy IIRC, even with newPP [06:27:57] oop, that is {| border=1\n|| foo\n\n|} [06:28:06] Splarka, what was that? [06:28:21] that was mixing them [06:28:49] it's not mixing [06:29:15] it's just one sort of wikitext, followed by another sort of wikitext [06:29:19] both are converted to HTML [06:29:29] *Splarka shrugs [06:29:39] it is mixing wikitables with htmlwikitables then, mister Semantics [06:29:48] if I had known people would be so superstitious about things that look like HTML, I would have made the angle brackets into square brackets or something, like in bbcode [06:29:59] can you give that a try without Tidy? [06:30:45] I have some work to get on with [06:30:50] *Lady_Aleena is grousing. [06:31:08] hi [06:31:18] well, then I will: http://www.wikia.com/api.php?text=%7B%7C+border%3D1%0D%0A%7C%7C+foo%0D%0A%3Ctr%3E%3Ctd%3Ebar%3C%2Ftd%3E%3C%2Ftr%3E%0D%0A%7C%7D&title=Foo&action=parse&format=jsonfm&uselang=en [06:31:45] i have a problem downloading an extension the ImportUsers extension from the ExtensionDistributor [06:31:51] Tim-away: if your goal was to make parsing exactly the same in NewPP with and without tidy, there are still a few differences I think:/ [06:32:06] nomatter0011: what operating system are you on? [06:32:16] it gives me the error: svn: Working copy '/mnt/upload5/private/ExtensionDistributor/mw-snapshot/trunk/extensions' locked [06:32:29] Tim-away: debian gnu/linux [06:32:35] svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) [06:32:40] Splarka: if that was my goal then tidy wouldn't have been necessary [06:32:48] but i think it has nothing to do with my os [06:32:48] nomatter0011: just use svn export then [06:32:51] okay, so why can't I call that "mixing" ? [06:33:09] ok i'll try thx [06:33:12] since it is two incompatible types of wikicode [06:33:13] if you said windows I would have said "maybe svn export is a bit too hard" [06:33:35] ExtensionDistributor is a bit broken at the moment due to hardware issues [06:34:32] I guess a simpler example would be: '''foo [06:34:40] ok ic [06:34:44] svn export worked thx [06:36:46] NewPP + tidy: foo, NewPP only: foo</b> [06:44:38] *Splarka leaves the examples here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseTidy#All_versions (and {{sofixit}} if it is inaccurate) [06:49:59] 03(NEW) IE 8 : Shortcut key for saving draft is not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19779 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [07:09:47] Okay, all fixed, now I am bored. [07:10:17] Lady_Aleena: for bracket matching, have you tried Special:ExpandTemplates? [07:10:44] Splarka, no. Didn't know it existed. [07:12:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?contexttitle=&input=%7B%7B%7B%7Bfoo%7D%7D%7D%7D%0D%0A%0D%0A%7B%7B%7B%7Bfoo%7D%7D+%7D%7D&removecomments=1&generate_xml=1 [07:12:06] Now what should I get into behind the scenes? [07:12:09] the XML output is quite handy for seeing wtf it is doing [07:12:32] in the first one you can see: {foo} [07:12:40] it is parsing the inner matching {{{ and }}} as a template argument [07:12:55] while in the second it parses them in pairs {{ {{ and }} }}, as two template calls [07:13:48] Well, I got rid of most of the brackets when I redid it in HTML. :S [07:14:13] ahh, but for the future [07:14:25] Splarka, I will try to keep it in mind. :) [07:15:38] I am trying to keep my mind off the fact that I was banned from a channel here (non-Wikimedia) that I really liked chatting in. [07:27:09] *grumble* [07:27:15] uga [07:27:53] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19778 has nothing to do with drafts, has it? [07:34:12] 03(mod) Headings defined using HTML tags are not considered as sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19778 +comment (10tstarling) [07:34:30] 06(LATER) Headings defined using HTML tags are not considered as sections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19778 (10tstarling) [07:35:03] er [07:35:27] oh, 'negotiable' [07:35:38] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Migration_to_the_new_preprocessor#Expected_differences [07:35:40] #1, heh [07:36:13] the problem is, if they /do/ become editable sections, as they were in the old parser for a while, (but not in 1.5), how do you add non-editable sections? [07:36:44] *Splarka has seen this behavior switch at least twice already [07:40:04] Hm. [07:40:18] Is it possible to transclude pages via interwiki? [07:41:43] I'm starting on a corpus of how to programmatically interact with my wiki, since the documentation is so widely spread around, and not arranged and organized particularly well. [07:43:00] It would be nice if I could include content sourced and cited from mediawiki.org, and remain up to date when the source page changes. [08:13:33] 03(NEW) Drafts are not created when Java Script is disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19780 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [09:01:35] 03(NEW) Submit count of templates and files needing rewiew. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19781 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [09:22:36] Hi [09:23:17] I've a problem with the mediawiki and lighttpd the style does not load :( [09:24:20] 03(NEW) Existing drafts are not listed when a draft is saved with JS disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19782 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh) [09:29:33] hallo kann hier jemand zuf�llig Deutsch? [09:31:25] ja^^ [09:31:46] kennen sie sich auch mit Mediawiki zuf�llig aus;-) [09:32:29] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:DU [09:32:33] um was gehts? [09:33:27] wir haben in einer Praxis Mediawiki laufen [09:34:09] jetzt wollten wir wissen ob wir einzelne Bereiche nach au�en freigeben k�nnen [09:34:23] und andere Bereiche d�rfen aber auf keinen Fall sichtbar werden [09:34:27] ist so etwas m�glich [09:35:57] dann hätte ich den quark ja auch in deutsch fragen können -.- [09:36:08] Hm... [09:36:18] PraxisMM: Das ist zwar mit Erweiterungen möglich, aber nicht empfehlenswert [09:36:56] Dabei entstehen immer Löcher, die man nicht verhindern kann, durch die man doch auf die Seiten zugreifen könnte, wenn man sucht und Ahnung davon hat [09:37:01] wieso installiert ihr nicht 2 und verwehrt beim 2. einfach den zutritt? [09:37:14] Eigentlich sähren zwei installierte Systeme ideal [09:37:19] *währen [09:38:28] ok ich verstehe also das ganze w�re zwar m�glich aber nicht ganz sicher [09:38:58] MediaWIki wurde dafür nicht gebaut [09:39:13] hello * [09:39:35] für einen gesicherten bereich würde ich ein wbb empfehlen (woltlab.com) das rechtesysem ist perfekt ;) [09:39:49] Wenns dich interessiert: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Page_specific_user_rights_extensions [09:40:24] Rothen: Da gibts noch tausende Alternativen... [09:40:27] joa [09:40:40] auch kostenlos [09:40:54] naja die lite version ist kostenlos und er will ja auch kein forum ;) [09:41:54] hm kann man eigentlich das seo komplett abschalten? [09:42:05] o-o german [09:42:45] lol [09:45:39] wenn das doofe mod_rewrie im lighttpd schon nicht richtig funktioniert sollte wenigstens das wiki gehen(die links zeichen schließlcih alle auf /wiki/Category:blubber) [09:48:53] ach scheiße nehm ich eben ne andere software -.- [09:56:41] 03(NEW) The names of CSS classes should have underscores instead of spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19783 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (Ruslik00) [09:57:38] Hyphens, no? [09:57:45] mdashes! [09:58:13] Minus signs. [09:59:12] Isn't that intentional? [09:59:38] Hm? [09:59:46] 19783 [10:00:08] possibly it wasn't intended that tag names would have spaces, or something [10:00:32] oh, definitely unintentional then [10:00:46] It's broken behavior. [10:00:47] should use Sanitizer::escapeClass() or something [10:00:58] This is why tags shouldn't be words. [10:01:07] word to your mother [10:01:17] Or at least they should have been much stricter with input. [10:01:42] if it isn't escaped, is it an XSS vector? heh [10:02:09] ugggh the LiquidThreads history code is so bizarre and insane [10:02:17] " onload="alert('hi!') [10:02:22] Splarka: it's not an XSS vector [10:02:37] you said that about the last one [10:02:39] Who came up with the name Vector? [10:02:39] pwned ^_^ [10:02:41] they're escaped as attribute values. [10:03:00] ahh k [10:03:07] can you escapeClass() the class bit? [10:03:13] Actually maybe they're not [10:03:43] $classes[] = Sanitizer::escapeClass( "mw-tag-$tag" ); [10:03:49] um, they're escaped [10:04:03] so what is bug 19783 about? older version? [10:04:29] hmmm, or does escapeClass not actually remove spaces [10:05:00] um, I don't get it... [10:05:02] array('/(^[0-9\\-])|[\\x00-\\x20!"#$%&\'()*+,.\\/:;<=>?@[\\]^`{|}~]|\\xC2\\xA0/','/_+/'), [10:05:07]

[10:05:10] it works just fine for me [10:05:21] are you on (or closer to) trunk? [10:05:34] No, that's on the link he gave me [10:05:36] [10:05:44] It's referenced twice. [10:05:48] The span is the probem. [10:05:53] Problem. [10:05:57] Typing: It's so hard. :-( [10:05:58] oh it's the later bit [10:06:18] dord (department of redundancy department) [10:07:14] I sort of assumed people would use single words for tag names [10:07:17] Anyway, as I was saying, I understand why it's "mw-tag-references_removed", but it still looks stupid. [10:07:18] instead of sentences [10:07:27] 14(WFM) The names of CSS classes should have underscores instead of spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19783 +comment (10agarrett) [10:07:27] 03werdna * r53391 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangeTags.php: Fix some unsanitized classes [10:07:48] *cough* [10:08:05] Annemarie: well, same as body.page- [10:08:20] Consistency? In my MediaWiki? [10:08:23] *Splarka doesn't think you can claim WFM while fixing it, heh [10:08:26] 03(mod) The names of CSS classes should have underscores instead of spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19783 +comment (10agarrett) [10:08:39] ahh [10:09:05] ta ^_^ [10:09:12] fast turnaround is what we like to see! [10:09:51] also works (sometimes): .foo.bar {color:red;} -> foobar [10:09:52] if you fix it straight away they'll all expect it :( [10:10:16] don't fret [10:10:24] the scap lag will keep expectations low [10:10:54] 03ialex * r53392 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/DeletionController.php: fix hooks so that they work correctly on namesapce != NS_LQT_THREAD [10:11:11] oopsies :) [10:13:29] Splarka: ping me, testing push notification of IRC pings [10:14:13] werdna [10:14:27] Or did you want the other kind? [10:14:56] that kind's good [10:15:02] but no notification :( [10:15:04] *Splarka does werdna both ways, just in case [10:15:09] o-o [10:15:13] i like being done both ways [10:15:21] o-o [10:15:45] werdna: this is a contentless ping as you sent me a contentless solicitation to ping you [10:16:05] *Splarka wonders how long this joke can stretch [10:17:28] 03(mod) Exception after save attempt (blocked user) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19762 +comment (10johannes.beigel) [10:17:32] yeah, yeah [10:18:55] hmm, it's working, but it's temperamental [10:19:28] whatcha sending them to? phone? [10:19:37] yeah [10:28:03] to your phone... ? [10:28:08] oh this is gonna be fun :D [10:28:17] http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/07/17/0527203/Australian-Police-Plan-Wardriving-Mission lol [10:34:16] 03ialex * r53393 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: Fix notice: Use of UploadForm::userCanReUpload is deprecated. [Called from ImagePage::uploadLinksBox in includes/ImagePage.php at line 554] [10:35:52] ialex is the code fairy [10:36:03] he finds all our little mistakes and fixes them [10:36:32] by that logic we should give jidanni commit access [10:37:56] :D [10:39:22] hi, is there an easy way to create a new admin user form the command line (bash) [10:39:45] createandpromote.php [10:39:52] in maintenance scripts [10:41:23] sagattarii: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CreateAndPromote.php [10:41:55] thanks, that is exactly what I need :) [10:42:00] you're welcome [11:00:05] 10:36 < charitwo> by that logic we should give jidanni commit access [11:00:07] ?? [11:00:11] By what logic? [11:00:22] I didn't deduce anything, I just made an observation [11:00:25] his rationalization is "minor fixes" [11:00:54] and i was being sarcastic [11:01:23] well, the good news is the Commit Access Requests list is big enough to ignore [11:01:49] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests [11:02:22] whats this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests#Splarka [11:02:45] I have no id [11:03:00] but do you have a class? [11:03:32] some would say I have no class [11:30:21] werdna: we could just ship jadanni over to live with charitwo so he can bug him every time he finds something [11:30:32] then we can bug reports that we understand [11:32:06] no u [11:33:51] could be a reality show [11:34:29] "What would it be like, if a chronic bug reporter, burned out wiki founder, and Wikimedia developer had to live in one apartment? lets find out" [11:34:39] Splarka: sorry but big brother got cancelled here [11:44:09] 14(INVALID) Default source field for 'self-created' images should mention user name, - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19773 +comment (10innocentkiller) [11:59:39] 03mfarag * r53394 10/trunk/tools/planet/ar/config.ini: update file [12:21:55] 03(mod) Better Malayalam translation for Namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15829 +comment (10me.praveen) [12:30:14] 03(mod) '''Bold Text''' when both the new toolbar and wikEd are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19776 (10roan.kattouw) [12:32:18] 03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page with javascript .focus() method - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864 +comment (10rainman) [12:45:28] Hello all , I have a problem [12:45:43] I wanted to use AuthPlugin [12:45:56] but after I made my script [12:46:14] the main page of the wiki is blank [12:46:22] what's the problem ? [12:47:17] anybody here? [12:48:05] !blankpage | mohammedsafwat [12:48:05] --mwbot-- mohammedsafwat: A blank page usually indicates a fatal PHP error. See !error [12:48:10] !error | mohammedsafwat [12:48:10] --mwbot-- mohammedsafwat: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see . [12:49:08] Thanks alot [12:49:27] but is there any other way to make external authentication rather than AuthPlugin ? [12:50:13] That's the recommend way [12:51:04] Wuzur : Ok , I'll try with it [12:51:17] Wuzur : Thanks alot [13:07:34] 03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page with javascript .focus() method - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864 (10herd) [13:07:38] rainman-sr: I is gonna hate myself for that one [13:07:52] *Splarka can't resist a JS challenge tho [13:08:35] nice thing about onkeydown is you can return true and it redirects the effect to the element you changed focus to (the document) [13:09:13] hello! :) [13:10:18] is there a way to encodeURIComponent with wikisyntax ?? [13:10:26] {{urlencode:}] [13:10:28] } [13:10:31] bingo. thx [13:10:46] there are one or two differences IIRC [13:10:49] How can I make an icon beside the URL? [13:10:55] <^demon> G'morning everyone [13:11:30] rainman-sr: oops, forgot to check if empty, heh [13:11:54] http://www.simtropolis.com/ - like the "ST-icon" on this side [13:12:01] Work this for wiki, too? [13:13:34] rainman-sr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/softfocus.js [13:13:36] Splarka, heh version [0.0.0] :) well thanks! :) [13:13:42] 0.0.1 now [13:14:24] logic could use some work, sleep time for me [13:14:32] <^demon> Splarka: Testing in Chrome 2 [13:16:45] <^demon> rainman-sr: Doesn't seem to work in Chrome :-\ [13:16:54] Ok guys , now AuthPlugin is working correctly , but blocking users does not work .. [13:17:27] Block list already contains the blocked accounts [13:17:40] Hurrah, my name is now acknowledged in the HTML 5 spec for pointing out a minor error in a non-normative section. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/acknowledgements.html#acknowledgements [13:17:40] but they are not really blocked and can access the wiki freely [13:17:59] any suggestions? [13:18:17] <^demon> Simetrical: Yay. What section? [13:19:03] ^demon, http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-July/021187.html [13:19:16] I've been submitting some other comments too, this is just the first he's responded to. [13:19:25] ^demon, yeah lots of stuffs doesn't work in chrome.. well does what it claims in ff, but i would also like it to recapture the focus after the arrow keys are pressed [13:20:35] <^demon> rainmain-sr: Yeah, that sounds good. I've got no clue how though. [13:20:38] <^demon> Simetrical: Cool stuff. [13:21:09] any suggestions for that guys? [13:21:53] Because of the way this algorithm causes elements to change parents, it has been dubbed the "adoption agency algorithm" (in contrast with other possibly algorithms for dealing with misnested content, which included the "incest algorithm", the "secret affair algorithm", and the "Heisenberg algorithm"). [13:24:03] werdna, the HTML 5 spec is great. There's also a place where it says something like "Conformance checkers should also verify that when scripts execute, no invalid state occurs in the document except transiently. (This is a 'should' instead of a 'must' because it's provably impossible. [HALTINGPROBLEM]) [13:24:05] " [13:24:49] *werdna offers Simetrical some laxative [13:24:56] *Simetrical declines [13:25:17] Simetrical: you enjoy your anal retention? :) [13:26:30] What are some reference sites to compare us to? dictionary.com, tfd.com, britannica.com, what else? [13:26:45] <^demon> google knol? [13:27:42] no, knol isn't general reference [13:28:05] Sure it is, broadly. [13:28:15] I'm just trying to see what others do about the auto-focus search thing. [13:28:29] It seems like most do, but not all. Especially notable is that Knol doesn't. [13:30:12] <^demon> What would be cool would be if as soon as someone started typing (and it wasn't in a textbox) we focused. [13:30:52] ^demon, i don't think that would help much, because people will still think it won't work since they don't see cursor blinking in search box [13:30:55] ^demon, what constitutes "typing"? What about "find as I type"? [13:31:06] What about things that scroll the page? [13:31:13] What if it scrolls the page in your browser but not in most browsers? [13:31:23] <^demon> Hmm. [13:31:51] Where's tparscal when you need him? :) [13:32:01] make it a user option :) [13:32:03] RoanKattouw, does the usability team have any opinion on auto-focusing search? [13:32:05] actually, it could be a gadget [13:32:08] Duesentrieb, it already is, on enwiki. [13:32:14] But that's obviously a bad solution. [13:32:15] orly? [13:32:18] yarly [13:32:29] i don't think they do [13:32:34] Simetrical: It probably does, but I don't; ask Trevor or Parul [13:32:40] Parul? [13:32:40] well, i wouldn't say it'S "bad", but it's not pretty :) [13:32:53] Simetrical: parutron in #wikipedia_usability [13:32:58] 03(FIXED) Cannot choose Language zh-tw anymore on zh.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19452 +comment (10agarrett) [13:33:59] 03(mod) Option to focus cursor in search box on main page with javascript .focus() method - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1864 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [13:34:26] for Safari, it only scrolls if the ".focus()" element is not in view. So this behaviour would be far less annoying in the new Vector skin. [13:34:31] http://www.simtropolis.com/ - like the "ST-icon" on this side [13:34:32] Work this for wiki, too? So that I can make an icon? [13:34:35] since the searchfield is at the top. [13:35:20] but safari doesn't capture pageup/down etc when the cursor is in a textfield. only does this for textarea's. [13:35:46] so it doesn't even need the softfocus hack. [13:36:09] It must capture arrow presses, for auto-suggest? [13:36:38] Simetrical: yes, it does capture those. [13:36:59] Tolsome: what do you mean? the icon in the address bar of the browsers ? [13:37:11] sure ^^ [13:37:24] Tolsome: that's called a favicon. you can google for that. [13:37:39] <^demon> !wg Favicon | Tolsome [13:37:39] --mwbot-- Tolsome: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFavicon [13:37:40] it's just a file in the root of the webserver. [13:37:41] But how can I make this for the wiki? [13:37:58] ah! [13:38:01] thanks :D [13:38:10] Simetrical, even if 5% scroll it is till bad, we need to have both scrolling and typing functional... i don't think there is a good way of making a choice between them [13:38:21] <^demon> Tolsome: No problem. [13:38:38] Simetrical: i think this can work in Vector. I would support it at least. [13:38:39] rainman-sr, but then you're in some weird hackish state that users won't expect or understand. The visual cues will be wrong, one way or another. [13:38:58] If there's a cursor in the text box, users expect the text box to capture their input. If not, not. [13:39:13] *^demon already expects "Make autofocus work in text browsers" [13:39:38] I must say, you all are the best FAQ Team ever, no one answer a question so far and has so much patience! [13:39:39] ^demon, thankfully those don't support JavaScript, so it's impossible. HTML 5 has an autofocus attribute, though, which they could theoretically support. :) [13:39:39] *RoanKattouw encourages everyone in this discussion to look at the new search bar design @ http://prototype.wikimedia.org/en-wp/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=vector [13:39:39] Simetrical, Well yes, but in most cases users don't really see the cursor is in the search box until he looks at the search box, and expect navigation to work [13:39:55] rainman-sr, this is why it's good to have usability studies! [13:40:13] The usability team is going to vanish in a month or two, I guess? Or are we going to get more money from somewhere? [13:40:15] RoanKattouw: yikes. [13:40:25] Simetrical: The grant expires April 16, 2010 [13:40:25] RoanKattouw, why is it so small? [13:40:33] rainman-sr: Ask Trevor? :d [13:40:35] Oh, still months left. [13:40:38] I thought it was like August. [13:41:00] RoanKattouw, it used to be of normal size, but now it's just too small [13:41:00] rainman-sr: it's the same size as earlier, but missing the go/search buttons now. [13:41:37] so no search any more? [13:41:46] RoanKattouw: i like it in general, but would love it in a tad wider version. [13:41:58] I find the positioning a little odd. But I hope there's data backing it up. [13:42:03] rainman-sr: It uses some magic to detect what you want; lemme find Trevor's e-mail and forward it to you [13:42:08] I'd have expected it to be wider, and center or left. [13:42:27] Simetrical, yeah, that's what I keep saying to usability people [13:42:40] Do they have data on this? [13:42:48] I'm not clear how many of their changes are based on actual studying. [13:42:49] but apparently there are studies that confirm that people expect it top-right [13:42:55] Well, okay, then. [13:43:03] No point in having usability studies and then ignoring them. :) [13:43:17] http://www.surl.org/usabilitynews/81/webobjects.asp <- [13:43:41] although i'm a bit suspicious about it.. because it depends on what to focus of site is ... [13:43:42] Simetrical: In about three hours you [13:43:55]

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