[00:13:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log events occasionally not logged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12129  normal->major; +comment (10mattbisanz)
[00:14:22] <purodha>	Help! Revision 53499 maintenance/update.php yields: Function: LCStore_DB::get - Error: 1146 Table 'wiki.tst_l10n_cache' doesn't exist (localhost)
[00:14:46] <Simetrical>	purodha, run update.php.
[00:15:00] <Simetrical>	brion, is there any reason we provide both Atom and RSS?  Isn't that considered bad practice?
[00:15:22] <OverlordQ>	disable your extenions
[00:15:29] <purodha>	Simetrical: the error is from updata.php
[00:15:31] <brion>	we provide them both so folks preferring one or the other can get them
[00:15:39] <brion>	the poor practice is making end-users choose between them :)
[00:15:41] <brion>	end-users shouldn't care
[00:15:51] <brion>	machines which do auto-discovery should care, iff they have a preference
[00:16:04] <Simetrical>	brion, isn't that what everything does, though?  "Do you want this feed in Atom, or the exact same feed in RSS?"
[00:16:05] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53500 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/patches/ (LocalSettings.txt OmegaWiki.diff README.txt): 
[00:16:05] <CIA-56>	OmegaWiki patches:
[00:16:05] <CIA-56>	* Now working on trunk!
[00:16:05] <CIA-56>	* Rename README.txt to LocalSettings.txt and remove old comment.
[00:16:11] <brion>	since rss2 is better supported, it probably makes most sense if we only expose the rss to end-users
[00:16:29] <Simetrical>	brion, so remove the Atom <link>s, but keep generating it?
[00:16:34] <brion>	ideally we'd have a way to expose the atom feed to autodiscovery as well without forcing it to display
[00:16:36] <Simetrical>	We'd want to keep generating it anyway to not break existing feeds . . .
[00:16:37] <brion>	could do
[00:16:43] <Simetrical>	Well, does anyone really prefer one to the other?
[00:16:51] <brion>	religious zealots sure
[00:16:53] <Simetrical>	They're basically identical in features and trivially interchangeable, right?
[00:17:02] <brion>	for most purposes
[00:17:03] <cirwin>	Simetrical: since when did that stop people
[00:17:04] <roberthl>	purodha: manually execute maintenance/archives/patch-l10n_cache.sql on your database, then update.
[00:17:19] <Simetrical>	Oh, Tim's patch broke update.php?  Nice.
[00:17:22] <roberthl>	purodha: (just dealt with this error fwiw)
[00:17:32] <roberthl>	Simetrical: indeed
[00:20:46] <CIA-56>	03brion * r53501 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (parserTests.inc parserTests.txt): Add support for running test cases on the Linker::formatComment() mini-parser, so we can protect against behavior regressions there.
[00:22:41] <OverlordQ>	Simetrical: Kinda
[00:22:53] <OverlordQ>	it works stock, but breaks again if you have extensions loaded :)
[00:23:12] <purodha>	roberthl: it said CREATE TABLE /*_*/l10n_cache ( ... , no error msg, but did not create the table, neither with nor without prefix.
[00:23:21] <OverlordQ>	and it only breaks on upgrades
[00:23:39] <roberthl>	purodha: will depend on your setup
[00:23:42] <OverlordQ>	purodha: disable your extensions then run update then re-enable extensions
[00:24:09] <purodha>	OverlordQ: will do.
[00:24:21] <roberthl>	i just did `mysql -u root devel < archives/patch-l10n_cache.sql' - but it will depend on how you run your wikis; OverlordQ's plan is probably better for you though.
[00:25:08] <Subfader>	is this a bug?: [http://www.google.com|user foo] returns foo
[00:25:19] <Subfader>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox
[00:25:24] <roberthl>	No, that's what it should do.
[00:25:34] <roberthl>	External links are not piped.
[00:25:34] <Subfader>	why that
[00:25:43] <cirwin>	because people use |s in links
[00:25:45] <roberthl>	And external URLs can contain a pipe.
[00:25:54] <Subfader>	[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_styles|user CSS] hrr
[00:26:10] <roberthl>	That should render "CSS".
[00:26:14] <Subfader>	yep
[00:26:30] <cirwin>	if I want to get an extension into SVN, who should I talk to?
[00:26:43] <roberthl>	 [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_styles user CSS] would give you "user CSS"
[00:27:08] <roberthl>	cirwin: If you want to be able to maintain it, submit the code somewhere and apply on Commit access requests on MediaWiki.org - otherwise find someone with the time to upload it for you./
[00:27:10] <Subfader>	or <nowiki>. but ok np if it's wanted this way :)
[00:27:28] <Subfader>	ah me dumb!!!!!!!!!!
[00:27:35] <Subfader>	too much PC today
[00:27:38] <roberthl>	<nowiki> would be just a hack. :)
[00:28:15] <Subfader>	me leaves in shame.
[00:33:32] *Simetrical 	likes how git tells him the number of lines added/removed
[00:33:35] <Simetrical>	-31 lines net!
[00:33:36] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r53502 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Use member variable defaults for SkinTemplate
[00:34:02] <Simetrical>	I used to have to do svn diff | grep ^+ | grep -v ^+++ | wc -l or such.
[00:36:54] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r53503 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore2.php: Added setting of $wgTitle in data refresh, to allow External Data to work
[00:37:22] <purodha>	OverlordQ: roberth: Simetrical: w/o extensions, patch+upd worked, and pages render. With extensions enabled, now some pages don't render - not a big problem, since it is a private test wiki.
[00:38:04] <purodha>	Tx 4 ur help.
[00:42:46] <cirwin>	Simetrical: is it really that useful a thing to know?
[00:42:59] <Simetrical>	cirwin, of course not.
[00:43:03] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53504 10/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php: reverted r53502: FATAL from untested code
[00:44:55] <CIA-56>	03purodha * r53505 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: add GENDER support to revision-info
[00:45:10] <Simetrical>	Hmm?  What fatal?
[00:45:16] <Simetrical>	I viewed the wiki and it seemed to work.
[00:45:27] <Simetrical>	Oh, I didn't use action=purge.
[00:45:28] <Simetrical>	Drat.
[00:46:24] <Simetrical>	Apparently var $foo = $bar = 'x' doesn't work for member variables?
[00:52:27] <CIA-56>	03simetrical * r53506 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (Modern.php MonoBook.php MySkin.php Simple.php Vector.php): 
[00:52:27] <CIA-56>	Fix fatal from r53504
[00:52:27] <CIA-56>	Apparently a) var $foo = $bar = 'baz' doesn't work in PHP, and b) I
[00:52:27] <CIA-56>	should try viewing pages with action=purge to make sure there aren't
[00:52:27] <CIA-56>	actually any fatals.
[00:52:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SpecialActiveusers.php counts wrong (adds one edit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19616  (10accnospamtom)
[00:54:22] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53507 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Minor performance & formatting tweaks
[01:35:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IE copies blue background from "ns-0 ltr" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5088  (10brion)
[01:41:00] <CIA-56>	03brion * r53508 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.inc: Finally add a damn string->array parser for parser test case options, so it's easier to add more.
[01:42:38] <CIA-56>	03greg * r53509 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/postgres/tables.sql: 
[01:42:38] <CIA-56>	For oldimage table, do ON UPDATE CASCADE. Per bug #19445.
[01:42:38] <CIA-56>	Note: still needs adjustments to updaters.inc
[01:54:37] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) PostgreSQL FK constraint oldimage_oi_name_fkey_cascade needs "ON UPDATE CASCADE" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19445  (10greg)
[01:54:48] <CIA-56>	03greg * r53510 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (postgres/tables.sql updaters.inc): Full support for modified oldimage FK constraint to do ON UPDATE CASCASE as well as ON DELETE CASCADE. Thanks to Robert Fleming for reporting and supplying a patch in bug #19445.
[01:56:17] <CIA-56>	03greg * r53511 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Note fixing of 19445.
[01:56:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PostgreSQL FK constraint oldimage_oi_name_fkey_cascade needs "ON UPDATE CASCADE" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19445  +comment (10greg)
[02:00:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) updateSearchIndex has MySQLisms - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19372  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:01:25] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53512 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/Subversion.php: minor command format cleanup
[02:01:42] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) "Last 10 editors" function fails on PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18078  (10greg)
[02:03:15] <^demon>	brion: Any chance I could merge my branch? It's stable at this point.
[02:05:07] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53513 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Extra quotes are breaking wfShellExecute() for me...need to look into this more to see what changed (PHP or cmd?)
[02:06:18] <brion>	AaronSchulz: breaking how?
[02:06:23] <brion>	do you have safe mode on?
[02:06:56] <AaronSchulz>	it doesn't interpret, so svnImport gives a cryptic svn syntax error
[02:07:06] <AaronSchulz>	and doesn't run
[02:07:22] <AaronSchulz>	well, svn.exe is what gives the error
[02:08:16] <CIA-56>	03brion * r53514 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[02:08:16] <CIA-56>	* (bug 14080) Short notation links to subpages didn't work in edit summaries
[02:08:16] <CIA-56>	Moved Parser::maybeDoSubpage guts to Linker to call from both locations.
[02:08:16] <CIA-56>	Added some parser test cases.
[02:08:16] <CIA-56>	Note that this might not behave exactly like the main parser in cases where the link text would get altered, but the links are functional. Yay!
[02:08:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Short notation links to subpages don't work in edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14080  +comment (10brion)
[02:08:33] <brion>	oh, on windows? bah
[02:08:44] <brion>	windows is pissier about command lines
[02:08:49] <brion>	no real standard for quoting :)
[02:10:23] <janjouna>	Greetings, I have a question about importing the xml dumps for history. Is it possible to ask in here?
[02:11:10] <Emufarmers>	brion: does the fix for 14080 also make section links work in edit summaries?
[02:11:42] <brion>	Emufarmers: shouldn't be any difference there. section links have worked for years afaik; if not, then no change in behavior from this
[02:13:21] <Emufarmers>	brion: I don't think they ever have, at least not on rc: http://test.emufarmers.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
[02:13:26] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Broken formating in Safari 4 on Page-Diff - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17803  +comment (10brion)
[02:13:29] <^demon>	brion: The merge should be pretty clean. I've tested it more extensively this time. ;-)
[02:13:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Empty diffs appear as long columns of text when viewed in Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13875  +comment (10brion)
[02:15:07] <brion>	lemme peek
[02:15:08] <CIA-56>	03purodha * r53515 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Preferences.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): Allow date/time separation in the data following MediaWiki:prefs-registration
[02:15:27] <Annemarie>	I thought 13875 got fixed... Maybe that was just for RevDelete diffs?
[02:18:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance script cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19133  (10innocentkiller)
[02:18:18] <^demon>	brion: Patch against trunk ^^
[02:18:30] <CIA-56>	03demon * r53516 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updateSearchIndex.inc: Followup to r52477. Call unlock/lock in correct order :)
[02:19:46] <brion>	ok we really have to fix this l10n cache bug, it's pissing me off. :)
[02:19:59] <^demon>	brion: Yeah I don't have a fix in my branch for that :-\
[02:20:44] <CIA-56>	03greg * r53517 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/ (Database.php DatabaseMysql.php): Add standardSelectDistinct() function to help fork queries based on whether the order by items must appear in the select distinct list. See bug 18078.
[02:21:37] <Annemarie>	!r 49688
[02:21:37] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49688
[02:21:40] <Annemarie>	Hmmm.
[02:24:09] <brion>	Emufarmers: ok think i got it
[02:26:53] <CIA-56>	03brion * r53518 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Linker.php maintenance/parserTests.txt): Also treat [[#section]] links as expected with the 'local' param for diff view vs RC/history view.
[02:27:03] <brion>	^demon: remind me what the branch does and where i can quickly peek at the changes? :D
[02:27:51] <CIA-56>	03purodha * r53519 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/check-blacklist.php: complement r53515
[02:28:12] <^demon>	brion: It's a major start at cleaning up the maintenance scripts. Introduces new abstract Maintenance class to coordinate a lot of things.
[02:28:15] <Emufarmers>	brion: yay :)
[02:28:33] <brion>	^demon: ooooh
[02:28:35] <^demon>	Can be seen in maintenance-work branch or patch on bug 19133 (against trunk)
[02:28:40] <apergos>	what l10n bug?
[02:28:51] <apergos>	( brion ) 
[02:29:04] <brion>	apergos: to start, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19574
[02:29:14] <^demon>	brion: It doesn't _finish_ the job of converting all the scripts over, but a good number of them are (and like 6 bugs will be fixed at once)
[02:29:26] <^demon>	commandLine.inc remains intact for b/c.
[02:29:30] <brion>	then, when i do the workaround (setting up $wgCacheDirectory for filesystem caching), the web view and command-line stuff refuse to accept each other's cache output
[02:29:35] <brion>	so i have to clear the cache dir between runs
[02:29:36] <brion>	nice eh
[02:29:38] <Chapso1>	Can someone please walk me through how to get extensions for mediawiki, what with the extension distribution special page out of service?  I am using debian.
[02:29:45] <apergos>	wtf?  
[02:29:57] <brion>	apergos: Tim-away made a big fancy redo of the localization cache
[02:29:59] <apergos>	ok, I'll add it to my list of things to stare at a bit...
[02:30:00] <brion>	still needs a little shakedown :D
[02:30:04] <apergos>	I see
[02:30:11] <apergos>	perhaps he would see it quicker then :-P
[02:30:17] <^demon>	brion: I haven't touched the update stuff either. Would like to eventually, but I didn't want to conflict there.
[02:30:35] <apergos>	oh this was hist late june update... ok then
[02:31:31] <OverlordQ>	anybody know if there's an open bug about move log entries showing HTML ?
[02:31:46] <^demon>	OverlordQ: Dunno about a bug, but it's known though.
[02:31:54] <Emufarmers>	Chapso1: SVN
[02:32:05] <Mike_lifeguard>	Chapso1: download from SVN
[02:32:13] <brion>	^demon: quick note -- the php 5 check is likely to fail if any code requires php 5's _parser_ :) since it'll die out before you get there
[02:32:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	Chapso1: it's so easy a lifeguard can do it
[02:32:28] <Chapso1>	haha
[02:32:36] <Chapso1>	I'll see if I'm that smart.
[02:33:16] <brion>	^demon: i'd also tend to recommend against maintaining a list in getCoreScripts()
[02:33:17] <^demon>	brion: Heh, I'll move that outside the class.
[02:33:24] <brion>	everything's easier when we don't have to say everything twiec :D
[02:34:26] <brion>	also, ideally we shouldn't have a hack section like loadWikimediaSettings
[02:34:49] <^demon>	Yeah, ideally. I want to change that to a hook and move all WMF stuff to an extension eventually, but I didn't go that far yet.
[02:35:11] <brion>	shouldn't even be a need for a hook, just a couple lines in our config file
[02:35:30] <^demon>	Whatever works best. I dunno your environment :)
[02:35:31] <brion>	you might want to check up w/ tim for some feedback also
[02:36:10] <^demon>	Can do.
[02:37:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) special:export exports two copies of pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17374  (10brion)
[02:40:26] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53520 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (5 files): bug 18480 Status change feed for CodeReview
[02:41:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Status change feed for CodeReview, low hanging fruit is low - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18480  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:43:10] <Emufarmers>	Tim-away: what's the status of the new-installer branch?
[02:44:33] <anomie>	Interesting side effect of the new wmf-deployment branch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#What_revision_are_we_on.3F
[02:48:03] <CIA-56>	03brion * r53521 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialExport.php): 
[02:48:03] <CIA-56>	* (bug 17374) Special:Export no longer exports multiple copies of pages
[02:48:03] <CIA-56>	Proper normalization now! Only keeps one copy of each normalized page title; also now discarding interwikis explicitly.
[02:48:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) special:export exports two copies of pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17374  +comment (10brion)
[02:48:47] <^demon>	brion: Really old fixme for that too: 48938
[02:50:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export output missing XML encoding - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15914  +comment (10brion)
[02:51:06] <brion-dinner>	catch y'all latah
[02:51:33] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53522 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionView.php: (bug 19105) Localize status changes
[02:51:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) status in Status & tagging log are not shown in userlanguage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19105  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:52:05] *AaronSchulz 	waves
[02:53:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance script cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19133  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:53:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance script cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19133   +patch (10innocentkiller)
[02:58:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Empty diffs appear as long columns of text when viewed in Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13875  (10titoxd.wikimedia)
[02:59:14] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53523 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRevisionView.php: (bug 19770) Preview remembers status field now
[02:59:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Status field change forgotten when previewing CR comment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19770  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:20:50] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) English stopwords are nontrivial in other languages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352  +comment (10brion)
[03:21:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't let MySQL's stopword list prevent indexing of those words, as we want to search them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352  summary (10brion)
[03:27:02] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Search results incorrect for <4-letter words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17733  +comment (10brion)
[03:29:31] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) "jump to" accessibility links jump to right place but with wrong names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  (10brion)
[03:31:00] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Special:Booksources parsing differs from normal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17541  +comment (10brion)
[03:34:06] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Special:Block is garbled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17743  (10brion)
[03:36:28] <Splarka>	brion is playing ostrich! 
[03:36:51] <Splarka>	"if I can't see the bugs then there is no bug *squish squish* head in sand!" <3
[03:38:25] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Impossible to modify rights on mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18038  +comment (10brion)
[03:39:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot use "upload by URL" feature with javascript disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18264  (10brion)
[03:40:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser Cache's {{SERVER}} becomes "localhost" with maintenance scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18274  (10brion)
[03:40:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve hostname autodetection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61  (10brion)
[03:42:35] <OverlordQ>	ok thats weird :(
[03:43:12] <OverlordQ>	oh wait nm, stupid merge :(
[03:43:22] <SCM|Lappy>	hello, i get this problem when running the update script on my wiki, "Adding ipb_by_text field to table ipblocks...Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[03:44:05] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Output a canonical form to RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18303  +comment (10brion)
[03:45:46] <OverlordQ>	so what's the dodgy use of wfMsgHtml commented about in r53173? that's the rev that broke those log entries
[03:46:15] <SCM|Lappy>	nvm, found extension which was causing segfault
[03:46:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Monobook <strong> for accessibility to selected items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18465  (10brion)
[03:47:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) File upload error messages don't properly take $wgFileBlacklist into account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18372  (10brion)
[03:47:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When rendering math, TeX output is sent to stderr which ends up in Apache's error log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18647  (10brion)
[03:48:25] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Output a canonical form to RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18303  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[03:48:26] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: probably some followup to r53159
[03:49:18] <Splarka>	dodgy being somewhere between "Immediate repair-scap-releasesecurityfix" and "fine"
[03:50:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) In Search Text box - on pressing Esc key - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18458  +comment (10brion)
[03:51:17] <Sonja>	is there a way to list the pages of a category but not just their title but the title followed by a short description?
[03:52:28] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Output a canonical form to RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18303  +comment (10brion)
[03:52:37] <Splarka>	Sonja: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=categorymembers&gcmtitle=Category:Physics&prop=revisions&rvprop=content
[03:52:50] <Splarka>	is probably the only in-built method
[03:53:14] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) 'edit watchlist' sorting issue, plus bonus complaint - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18599  +comment (10brion)
[03:53:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  +comment (10brion)
[03:54:44] <MrZ-man>	woo, deprecated hooks all cleaned up in online docs
[03:54:57] *MrZ-man 	starts on undocumented ones
[03:54:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RSS/Atom feeds contains escaped &#32; in title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18907  +comment (10brion)
[03:56:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special ListFiles has the sorting arrow switched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18962  +comment (10brion)
[03:56:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Re-enable previewing with GET requests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3693  (10herd)
[03:58:49] <Splarka>	Simetrical: hah (re FF@/.)
[03:59:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List redirects option has no effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19075  +comment (10brion)
[04:02:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Textarea jumps when editing articles unless IE8 compatibility mode is on - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19334  +comment (10brion)
[04:03:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload-by-url fails with JS2 enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19754  (10brion)
[04:03:20] *AaronSchulz 	reads about c&c4
[04:04:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check for empty section before printing title, else visible in text browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19185  (10brion)
[04:06:43] <AaronSchulz>	brion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax7PoQd0euk - Will I ever get sick of this?
[04:09:30] <Splarka>	I ain't doing reviews today. I can't close my files and make it go away. How long, how long must we scroll along. How long, how long... Tonight, we can DUP to #1 to night. Broken servers on the -tech end tweets, and 'robots scraping UI undiscreet. But I can't read your ranty scrawl, you better backup, before I huff them all. Sunday Buggy Sunday.... Sunday Buggy Sundaaaaaaay...
[04:09:36] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Special:Preferences pretty unreadable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18649  +comment (10brion)
[04:10:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) AbuseFilter cannot check rollback operations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19835 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (liangent)
[04:11:07] <AaronSchulz>	haha
[04:12:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <dc:creator> has wrong value - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15915  (10brion)
[04:13:04] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Editing pages with multiple headers of the same name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15847  +comment (10brion)
[04:13:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Return to page after edit of section (where section name occurs multiple times) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111  +comment (10brion)
[04:14:09] <elysianfields>	What is the significance of "page_latest" in the "page" table of the database schema?
[04:15:20] <OverlordQ>	the latest revision
[04:16:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Too simplistic link parsing in edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15745   +need-parsertest; +comment (10brion)
[04:16:02] <elysianfields>	OverlordQ: thanks. And where is the text for the latest version of the page stored?
[04:16:11] <OverlordQ>	in the revision table
[04:16:25] <elysianfields>	so rev_id = page_latest?
[04:16:33] <OverlordQ>	no i lied
[04:16:56] <OverlordQ>	it's in the text table
[04:17:24] <elysianfields>	that's what I thought, but it doesn't seem right.
[04:18:02] <elysianfields>	I checked old_text for an old_id = page_latest and it didn't correspond to the same page I was checking.
[04:19:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Log entries displayed in the wrong language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19836 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Recent changes; (mike.lifeguard)
[04:20:25] <OverlordQ>	get the page id, use page_latest for that page_id to get the row in revision table, use rev_text_id from that row to get the page text
[04:20:41] <elysianfields>	thanks!
[04:21:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add � oldid � to the autocomment (edit summaries in history, recentchanges, watchlist) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12078  (10brion)
[04:24:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries displayed in the wrong language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19836  (10brion)
[04:37:54] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53524 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Fix activeusers grouping
[04:41:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account created even when email bounces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12767  +comment (10brion)
[04:41:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JS2 remote upload links to wrong location - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19736  (10brion)
[04:43:36] <CIA-56>	03mrzman * r53525 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/findhooks.php: 
[04:43:36] <CIA-56>	Replace the call to action=raw with a couple API calls for the main
[04:43:36] <CIA-56>	hook category and the removed hook category (that I just created)
[04:43:36] <CIA-56>	for better results and proper filtering of removed hooks for the
[04:43:36] <CIA-56>	online doc check
[04:44:20] <MrZ-man>	damn, ^demon left, I may have just broke his patch :P
[04:44:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Missing hook docs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19564  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[04:44:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RealName Userlinks instead of UserName - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8086  normal->15enhancement (10brion)
[04:47:41] <OverlordQ>	does the same procedure for 'really' deleting old pages work for images too?
[04:49:21] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) List misalignment in Monobook and Chick skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4829  +comment (10brion)
[04:49:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Indents and lists don't align - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12262  +comment (10brion)
[04:50:09] <Splarka>	you mean the last one at "current -> old -> deleted (archived) == hidden -> suppressed == oversighted -> really deleted with maintenance script"  ?
[04:51:37] <OverlordQ>	I mean the same image has been uploaded over itself like 3 times and so is taking up 3x the space when it doesn't need to be :)
[04:52:55] *Emufarmers 	wonders whether OverlordQ is GreenReaper's secret twin :)
[04:53:04] <GreenReaper>	What do you mean "secret"?
[04:53:33] <OverlordQ>	I'm not that anal aboout space :)
[04:53:40] <GreenReaper>	"Separated at birth for parallel breastfeeding."
[04:53:50] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53526 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialActiveusers.php: 
[04:53:50] <CIA-56>	* Query fixes
[04:53:50] <CIA-56>	* Don't count account creations (bug 19616)
[04:53:55] <Splarka>	AAAA! extra 'o' in aboot, space waste
[04:54:29] <OverlordQ>	but yea, I was wondering the 'really deleted with mainenence script' route
[04:54:32] *GreenReaper 	viciously takes away IE5/5.5 compatability to save 16-18 bytes/page.
[04:55:09] <GreenReaper>	To be fair, though, that's also about how many users a month we get with those browsers.
[04:55:28] <MrZ-man>	we'll lose IE5 when we start including jQuery in core
[04:55:56] <Emufarmers>	OverlordQ: I doubt deleteArchivedRevisions handles the actual file removal
[04:56:11] <Splarka>	MrZ-man: nope, IE5 was lost long long ago
[04:56:19] <Splarka>	wikibits.js produces continual errors
[04:56:31] <Splarka>	jQuery won't make one bit of difference
[04:56:36] <Splarka>	though Opera 8 will barf
[04:57:37] <Emufarmers>	I feel like we're reaching the point where older browsers will be less of an issue, because modern browsers tend not to even give you a choice about upgrading
[04:58:00] <Emufarmers>	I guess maybe that's less true on the IE side of things, but doesn't FF tell you that it upgraded after the fact?
[04:58:36] <GreenReaper>	It asks here, it tells you it's downloaded it.
[04:58:54] <Emufarmers>	I thought it just asks you whether you want to restart now or later?
[04:58:57] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: I thought deleted files were stored by SHA hash name, so dupes don't take up space?
[04:59:16] <GreenReaper>	Splarka: Well, true, but JS is not required and IE by default doesn't actually *break* on script errors.
[04:59:41] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: JS is not required FULL STOP
[04:59:47] <Splarka>	except to see the sitenotice
[05:00:08] <Splarka>	but Opera 8 breaks, you can't actually log in, with jQuery (or, the last time it was tried)
[05:00:45] <Emufarmers>	Both of the people using Opera 8 will be outraged
[05:00:46] *GreenReaper 	wants to see Splarka in a JS Abuse PSA: "JavaScript abuse must stop. Full stop."
[05:01:17] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: deleteArchivedFiles.php ?
[05:01:47] <Splarka>	GreenReaper: you typed a full stop and typed out "Full stop" /with/ a full stop
[05:01:53] <Splarka>	stop wasting bytes, we'll run out ^_^
[05:02:14] <GreenReaper>	It's OK, it was gzip encoded anyway.
[05:02:22] <Emufarmers>	Whoa, there actually is a deleteArchivedFiles.php
[05:02:24] <GreenReaper>	If I hadn't used it, it would actually have taken more.
[05:02:43] *GreenReaper 	found that with the analytics javascript, taking the ; off the end grew it by two bytes. Measure!
[05:03:11] <Splarka>	jesus furry christ
[05:03:16] *Splarka 	removes GreenReaper's semicolon
[05:03:44] <Splarka>	Emufarmers: when "a {display:block;}" went into effect for IE5 on WMF, only one person complained
[05:04:16] <GreenReaper>	Splarka: http://furryjesus.ytmnd.com/ or http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/cc/Furry_Jesus.jpg ?
[05:05:08] <OverlordQ>	Splarka: doesn't work :(
[05:05:09] <Emufarmers>	GreenReaper: bandwidth aside, wouldn't it be faster to host your analytics script on your server?
[05:05:13] <GreenReaper>	HollyAnn's art is always so . . . purple.
[05:05:26] <GreenReaper>	No, because it's cached and shared by other sites.
[05:06:03] <Emufarmers>	If furries need to visit any other sites, you're not doing your job!
[05:06:24] <GreenReaper>	Well, we presume they visit Wikipedia now and then.
[05:06:25] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: pokle ^demon
[05:06:40] <GreenReaper>	If only because we point them there with interwikis about a billion and one times.
[05:06:50] <OverlordQ>	didn't think his maint patch was applied yet
[05:07:05] <Splarka>	probably not, but the branch is available
[05:07:22] <Emufarmers>	Wikipedia only uses Analytics when rouge admins on wacky language sites add it
[05:07:30] <Splarka>	and if that script was broken by, say, any type of deleted file storage/schema change, he should fix it
[05:07:47] <GreenReaper>	Yeah, was just a general other site.
[05:07:53] <OverlordQ>	no, it was broken by a file it tries to include plain not existing
[05:08:38] <Emufarmers>	I remember sites sometimes not loading and seeing "waiting for google-analytics.com" in my browser, but I guess those days are probably past
[05:08:42] <OverlordQ>	but yea, demon did break it :)
[05:09:06] <OverlordQ>	i think
[05:09:12] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: ahh, hmm, missing files should be more gracefully handled, vvv rewrote file moves and delete/undelete handling of them, but probably that script was overlooked
[05:09:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deletion log entries in watchlist for recreated pages appear as redlinks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19673  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:09:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) secure.wikimedia.org speed and status - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19587  (10William.Allen.Simpson)
[05:09:51] <OverlordQ>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/51279
[05:09:59] <OverlordQ>	was lost in the great fsrepo rewrite
[05:10:43] <Splarka>	well, you asked for commit access, fixit ^_^
[05:10:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Indents and lists don't align - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12262  +comment (10brion)
[05:11:18] <OverlordQ>	But I am le tired
[05:11:43] <Emufarmers>	OverlordQ's not a developer?  I thought he already was one!�
[05:14:49] <CIA-56>	03mrzman * r53527 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): (bug 19818) - Allow users to patrol edits to user CSS/JS subpages even if they can't edit them
[05:15:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) User CSS/JS cannot be marked as patrolled by users without editusercssjs right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19818  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[05:15:15] <MrZ-man>	yay for one line fixes
[05:15:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) SpecialActiveusers.php counts wrong (adds one edit) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19616  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:15:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "jump to" accessibility links jump to right place but different name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  normal->15enhancement; normal->lowest; summary (10jidanni)
[05:15:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ajaxwatch.js applies ID to wrong element, only processes one; tooltip doesn't update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12513  +comment (10brion)
[05:16:55] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53528 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/deleteArchivedFiles.inc: Update deleteArchivedFiles.inc to use FileRepo (FileStore was removed)
[05:17:21] <Splarka>	hey MrZ-man that reminds me of another odd action/right: files can be reverted to previous revisions if the user simply has permission to edit the desc page, do you think it would make more sense if they had to have reupload (for not their own image) and/or reupload-self (for their own)?
[05:18:45] <MrZ-man>	maybe?
[05:19:52] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53529 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ (LocalFile.php OldLocalFile.php): Removed filestore references from comments
[05:20:30] <Splarka>	OverlordQ, ya saw that^ ?
[05:21:51] <infinisoft>	Is the wgAfterContentAndJS variable in standard MediaWiki?
[05:23:21] <Emufarmers>	infinisoft: that would be a rather odd name for a global variable
[05:23:38] <OverlordQ>	yea, the rows are still in the table though
[05:25:29] <OverlordQ>	weird, oh well
[05:31:54] <infinisoft>	Emufarmers: Yeah, I was asking, it's something in Wikia.
[05:32:21] <infinisoft>	And I'm having issues with installing a script with addOnloadHook so I'm trying to figure out what the deal is >_>
[05:33:35] <OverlordQ>	Hurm, it's leaving rows in filearchive.
[05:36:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Associated Drafts are not moved when an article is published - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19837 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[05:38:41] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53530 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (LogEventsList.php LogPage.php): (bug 19596) Fix more fucked up garbage from when $types was made into an array in various places. Log headers were missing.
[05:39:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Headers are missing on Special:Log pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19596  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:40:36] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53531 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/deleteArchivedFiles.inc: Make sure this commits too
[05:41:47] <AaronSchulz>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19391
[05:41:48] <AaronSchulz>	lol
[05:44:34] <OverlordQ>	since you're alredy working on it, it kinda ignores the $delete parameter :)
[05:53:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) localize word "references" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19115  (10mahitgar)
[05:54:19] <CIA-56>	03aaron * r53532 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/deleteArchivedFiles.inc: Make --delete confirmation actually work
[06:00:49] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Log page headers not shown: LogEventList::showHeader() broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19345  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:00:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Headers are missing on Special:Log pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19596  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:08:49] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r53533 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/ (messageTypes.inc messages.inc): Follow-up r53515: register 'prefs-registration-date-time' and mark it optional.
[06:30:00] <CIA-56>	03mrzman * r53534 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 15745) Make the edit summary link parser detect links more like the real parser, added a parser test for it
[06:31:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Too simplistic link parsing in edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15745  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[06:31:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Too simplistic link parsing in edit summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15745  -need-parsertest +parsertest (10mrzmanwiki)
[08:10:28] <hippietrail>	hi splarka. can you suggest a way to find the element under the mouse in javascript?
[08:10:49] <Splarka>	ehm
[08:10:57] <Splarka>	oh, onmouseover the whole document
[08:11:51] <Splarka>	addHandler(document,'mousemove',whereTheHellIsMyMouse);
[08:11:56] <Splarka>	er mousemove, yah
[08:12:11] <Splarka>	function whereTheHellIsMyMouse(e) {
[08:12:18] <Splarka>	  var e = window.event || e;
[08:12:23] <Splarka>	  var target = e.target || e.srcElement;
[08:12:27] <Splarka>	target is your object, generally
[08:12:42] <Splarka>	(z-index can mess with ya in some browsers IIRC)
[08:12:59] <Splarka>	but note any mouse movement will trigger that, so keep it minimal, heh
[08:13:08] <hippietrail>	its just for a tool anyway not for users
[08:13:30] <Splarka>	are you doing a delayed hover-popup thing?
[08:13:38] <hippietrail>	i want to find the first ancestor of an element that has an id
[08:13:38] <Splarka>	or are you doing a keystroke/click detector?
[08:13:50] <Splarka>	ahh
[08:14:00] <hippietrail>	nah im doing advanced screenscraping i guess
[08:14:01] <Splarka>	a while() with a foo = foo.parentNode
[08:14:28] <hippietrail>	yeah thats the easy part
[08:14:54] <Splarka>	well, anyway, ya gotta be careful with onmousemove
[08:15:28] <Splarka>	onmouseover/onmouseout is a bit safer, probably could just set a global var and have it just assign the target to that global var 
[08:16:01] <hippietrail>	what about without events?
[08:16:26] <hippietrail>	say if im in firebug and put the mouse in position and then run some literal code in the js console?
[08:17:59] <Splarka>	ehm, dunno actually
[08:18:16] <Splarka>	can't you click it or something? ^_^
[08:18:37] <hippietrail>	like is there a way just to get the mouse x,y postion; and a way to get an element from an x,y position?
[08:18:52] <Splarka>	that sounds complicated
[08:18:53] <hippietrail>	i could but if it's a link the click will do something i don't want
[08:18:59] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?Cx57gATFjtPgx2gIq9KzYA
[08:19:03] <Splarka>	I'd just do this
[08:19:35] <Splarka>	mmm, you could also...
[08:23:05] <hippietrail>	bah firefox js console won't stay open
[08:23:26] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?4rjuaspU2VnEalxAsajheg
[08:24:04] <Splarka>	anything with an ID would be red, anything a first child of such would be magenta, anything else green
[08:24:08] <hippietrail>	css?
[08:24:49] <Splarka>	yah
[08:25:13] <Splarka>	appendCSS('body * {border:1px solid #00ff00 !important;padding:1px !important;} body *[id] > * {border:1px solid #ff00ff !important;} body *[id] {border:1px solid #ff0000 !important;}');
[08:25:16] <Splarka>	and now it's JS!
[08:25:35] <Splarka>	oh, error console
[08:25:44] <Splarka>	try this in a new tab: chrome://global/content/console.xul
[08:36:24] <hippietrail>	ReferenceError: addHandler is not defined
[08:45:41] <Splarka>	WFM
[08:45:52] <Splarka>	unless you're doing this outside of mediawiki
[08:50:14] <hippietrail>	yeah not in mediawiki sorry
[08:50:28] <hippietrail>	in mediawiki itself i dont need to screenscrape
[08:58:38] <Splarka>	hippietrail: then copy the functions from wikibits.js
[09:03:43] <CIA-56>	03shinjiman * r53535 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[09:07:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Missing interwiki prefixes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19838 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (beau)
[09:23:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Incorrect parsing log items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19839 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (danny.leinad)
[09:28:37] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53536 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (App.php patches/OmegaWiki.diff): 
[09:28:37] <CIA-56>	* Migration away from namspace manager code in OmegaWiki (forgot to commit this earlier).
[09:28:37] <CIA-56>	* Use improved variable name for handler classes.
[09:40:28] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53537 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[09:40:28] <CIA-56>	* Re-add localisation code accidentally removed (with temporary hack).
[09:40:28] <CIA-56>	* Exception => MwException.
[09:40:28] <CIA-56>	* Couple of FIXMEs.
[09:41:02] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r53538 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php specials/SpecialActiveusers.php): 
[09:41:02] <CIA-56>	* refactor Special:ActiveUser's SQL query to use options on $query rather than hardcoding it in $query['tables']
[09:41:02] <CIA-56>	* fix case: use Activeusers to match aliases in localisation
[09:42:56] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53539 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/patches/LocalSettings.txt: * Update variable names.
[09:53:17] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r53540 10/trunk/extensions/MostRevisors/MostRevisors.i18n.php: Capitalise message key
[09:55:10] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53541 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (108 files in 13 dirs): * Run stylize.php on Wikidata extension.
[10:06:19] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r53542 10/trunk/extensions/CooperationStatistics/ (2 files): Document messages and remove 2 hard coded spaces
[10:14:21] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r53543 10/trunk/extensions/MostRevisors/MostRevisors.i18n.php: Disable 'mostrevisors-text'. It could be the developer meant this to be -summary instead of -text. Currently unused.
[10:25:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CentralNotice on zhwiki cannot display correct variant - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19840 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralNotice; (liangent)
[10:49:07] <freakolowsky>	heloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo there
[10:51:21] <ialex>	hi!
[10:52:48] <freakolowsky>	anything worth mentioning happened in the last month ... have to go trough 800 ML mails :D
[10:53:44] <Splarka>	repeated server outages, one XSS, and a partridge in a pear tree
[10:54:55] <freakolowsky>	so business as usual
[10:55:32] <freakolowsky>	brb ... pre-mail-reading coffee&smoke intro
[11:08:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Draft extension does not support PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19841 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Drafts; (janesh)
[11:13:45] <domas>	huh
[11:13:54] <domas>	EXTENSIONS MUST SUPPORTĄ
[11:13:55] <domas>	!
[11:14:00] <Fire>	hi domas
[11:14:04] <domas>	HI FIRE
[11:14:10] *domas 	giggles at #19841
[11:14:19] <Fire>	How're you?
[11:17:20] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r53544 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/integrator/data/ (7 files): rewriting integrator data model. intermediate commit, DOES NOT COMPILE
[11:17:56] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[11:22:59] <Nikerabbit>	ÄWRE
[11:23:32] <hippietrail>	there's a yahoo webbug in en.wiktionary somehow
[11:23:33] <Nikerabbit>	any api guys here?
[11:25:27] <Nikerabbit>	there is crippled Spyc being loaded for the api... that's not nice for people who want to use the real spyc
[11:29:01] <CIA-56>	03purodha * r53545 10/trunk/extensions/MostRevisors/ (MostRevisors.i18n.php MostRevisors_body.php): I18n: make 'editors' a translatable string.
[11:35:27] <CIA-56>	03purodha * r53546 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: followup to r53545: mostrevisors-users made mandatory.
[11:44:41] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r53547 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/integrator/data/ (13 files in 2 dirs): rewriting integrator data model: fixing filters. intermediate commit, DOES NOT COMPILE
[11:52:07] <CIA-56>	03tstarling * r53548 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/ (29 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[11:58:51] <CIA-56>	Committing work in progress.
[11:58:51] <CIA-56>	* Added the basic preferential ballot
[11:58:51] <CIA-56>	* Added a first cut attempt at Schulze tallying, not ready for serious testing yet
[11:58:51] <CIA-56>	* Added command-line scripts for dumping and tallying
[11:58:51] <CIA-56>	* Changed the dump output format to XML. The new dump format includes configuration. Input side not done yet.
[11:58:51] <CIA-56>	* Moved web-accessible files like CSS and JS to a resources directory
[12:06:41] <freakolowsky>	ok ... 300 mails scanned, 500 mails to go
[12:07:21] <CIA-56>	03ialex * r53549 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/LogPage.php): (bug 19839) fix for r53173: Comments in log items are no more double escaped
[12:09:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Incorrect parsing log items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19839  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[12:11:23] <freakolowsky>	LOOOOOOOOOOL ... readin mailing list ... "and the Almighty Tim, Patron Saint of
[12:11:23] <freakolowsky>	Master Databases, arrived on the scene to heroically run the
[12:11:36] <freakolowsky>	master-database switch script
[12:11:40] <freakolowsky>	"
[12:40:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Empty diffs appear as long columns of text when viewed in Safari - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13875  (10wiki.pierroman)
[12:48:04] <TimStarling>	thanks for that ialex
[12:48:24] <ialex>	no problem :)
[12:58:47] <Sonja>	is there a way to list the pages of a category but not just their title but the title followed by a short description?
[13:15:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Missing interwiki prefixes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19838  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:16:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SimpleSecurity - broken with trunk version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19842 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (alfred.maghi)
[13:25:32] <CIA-56>	03nikerabbit * r53550 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPt_br.php: A bit more readable
[13:33:17] <^demon>	Mmm, breakfast.
[13:34:28] <freakolowsky>	lol ... my GF just wrote on skype "dinner time" :D
[13:35:06] <freakolowsky>	and i had lunch an hour ago :D
[13:35:25] <freakolowsky>	now we just need somone having a midnight snac :D
[13:35:42] <Sonja>	how do i blank out MediaWiki:Category_header ?
[13:35:53] <Sonja>	i don't need it to repeat the category header again as a subtitle
[13:39:42] <CIA-56>	03shinjiman * r53551 10/trunk/extensions/FundraiserPortal/FundraiserPortal.i18n.php: Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages
[13:49:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enhanced editing toolbar does not clear floats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19843 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (mormegil)
[13:55:57] <freakolowsky>	ok ... read/scanned all mailing list mails for the last month ... nice for first after-vacational work-day :D
[13:56:01] <freakolowsky>	l8r
[13:56:21] <Merlissimo>	on dewiki i am unable to finde some tags set by abusefilter. Can you help? http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Missbrauchsfilter/12 has tagged 1h last time according to log, but http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Letzte_%C3%84nderungen&tagfilter=bot-interwikilinks+in+vorlagen is empty
[13:56:55] <phyro>	hey
[13:57:14] <phyro>	im using mediawiki 1.6.12 installed on rhel 4.7
[13:58:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Incorrect language of log enteries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19844 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (danny.leinad)
[13:58:17] <phyro>	i've configured DefaultSettings.php to include doc and xls files but when i try to upload them it says  it is not allowed, how can i solve this anyone?
[14:01:24] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Incorrect language of log enteries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19844  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:01:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries displayed in the wrong language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19836  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:06:51] <Duesentrieb>	mimetype | phyro
[14:06:57] <Duesentrieb>	hrm
[14:07:03] <Duesentrieb>	!mimetype | phyro
[14:07:03] --mwbot--	phyro: I don't know anything about "mimetype".
[14:07:13] <Duesentrieb>	aw man :)
[14:07:16] <Duesentrieb>	!mime
[14:07:16] --mwbot--	For assistance in configuring mime type detection on MediaWiki, please consult < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection >
[14:07:19] <Duesentrieb>	there we go
[14:09:38] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Incorrect language of log enteries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19844  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[14:09:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhanced editing toolbar does not clear floats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19843  +comment (10hartman)
[14:12:18] <phyro>	:)
[14:13:52] <^demon>	phyro: Just out of curiosity: upgrading to php5 not an option?
[14:15:38] <phyro>	sorry no, i dont know what the effedct on the overall system will be 
[14:16:10] <phyro>	i installed and older version of media wiki so i twill be compatible with all th3e components so i think its working ok only im missing some configs
[14:16:42] <thedj>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19801#c1
[14:16:54] <thedj>	sigh jidanni. how is that comment remotely useful ....
[14:17:55] <^demon>	thedj: I've come to realize you just have to filter all of his input. Buried deep inside are good intentions and (mostly) valid issues.
[14:29:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralNotice on zhwiki cannot display correct variant - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19840  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[14:30:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Incorrect language of log enteries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19844  (10danny.leinad)
[14:35:53] <Nikerabbit>	[20-Jul-2009 14:35:12] PHP Fatal error:  Allowed memory size of 125829120 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 53071698 bytes) in Unknown on line 0
[14:35:56] <Nikerabbit>	php is nice
[14:36:58] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: MW is memory hungry :p
[14:38:26] <TC-nbigelow>	is there an easy way to use the api to simply retrieve the wikitext on a page?
[14:47:15] <craig1709>	Firefox tries to download index.php when accessed externally (http://wiki.craig1709.homedns.org) but works fine locally (http://wiki.lan) - why is mediawiki doing this?
[14:48:51] <^demon>	Haha, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10289669-37.html
[14:49:32] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r53552 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/integrator/data/ (10 files): rewriting integrator data model: nostly done. intermediate commit, DOES NOT COMPILE
[14:49:57] <MrZ-man>	^demon: fyi, I made some changes to findHooks on trunk, may have broke your maintenance patch
[14:52:12] <^demon>	MrZ-man: Yeah I saw, I've already merged Aaron's changes, but I haven't gotten yours in yet.
[14:58:18] <phyro>	!mymetype
[14:58:18] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "mymetype".
[14:59:04] <phyro>	!mime
[14:59:04] --mwbot--	For assistance in configuring mime type detection on MediaWiki, please consult < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection >
[15:13:00] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[15:13:36] <roberthl>	hi
[15:13:59] <roberthl>	what's up?
[15:20:03] <jc>	Morning (again).  On this page here, http://www.tinymicros.com/wiki/Rotating_Sprocket_Wheel_Generator  Down in the 'Schematic' section, I want the schematic heading to be under the image to the left.  How do I force text to stop flowing around an image?
[15:20:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralNotice on zhwiki cannot display correct variant - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19840  (10liangent)
[15:20:20] <__neo__>	hi guys
[15:20:55] <jc>	Basically, trying to emulate the text layout from this page, http://tinymicros.com/rswg/ as much as possible.
[15:21:50] <__neo__>	I'm using the wikipediabot(nightly build) and it gives me this error:
[15:21:51] <__neo__>	http://mhn.pastebin.com/m1ee45fdb
[15:22:04] <__neo__>	any ideas how to solve it?
[15:22:21] <^demon>	__neo__: Try #pywikipedia.
[15:24:35] <elysianfields44>	When does an Edit Conflict occur? (I tried editing a page and it gives me: "Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it.")
[15:26:11] <charitwo>	when two people edit a page at or around the same time
[15:28:47] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r53553 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Replace \n with wiki syntax for consistency. Most replacements for other languages already done in translatewiki.net
[15:30:02] <elysianfields44>	charitwo: Does it have to do with the revision timestamp by any chance? (I am doing this on a local mediawiki installation so I'm certain I'm the only person editing, but I just used a script I wrote to import a large number of pages, and I'm pretty sure that's causing it.)
[15:31:39] <charitwo>	it can only happen yourself if you tried to save the same page too fast and end up saving twice (e.g. the first edit went through but the 2nd attempt conflicted the first)
[15:32:37] <elysianfields44>	Nevermind, it was the timestamp as I suspected. (The script I wrote wasn't giving a timestamp for the imported pages, now that I inserted a timestamp it's letting me edit them).
[15:33:18] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r53554 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/integrator/ (28 files in 3 dirs): rewriting integrator data model: mostly. intermediate commit, DOES NOT COMPILE
[15:36:18] <Sirisian|Work>	for a postgresql database I noticed that my old coworkers have it as latin1. Is there a reason for this or could I change it to UTF8?
[15:37:08] <Sirisian|Work>	I mean for the wiki database.
[15:43:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) r53534 brakes something (no idea, what) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19845 major; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (accnospamtom)
[15:44:09] <jc>	So no suggestions on how to stop text from flowing next to an image, and force a break?
[15:45:16] <^demon|lunch>	Wtf?
[15:47:26] <jc>	WTF to what?
[15:48:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) r53534 brakes something (no idea, what) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19845  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:48:28] <^demon|lunch>	jc: Retarded bug summary
[15:48:38] <jc>	I was hoping you meant that, and not my question :)
[15:48:57] <^demon|lunch>	The bug description is nearly as bad. Meh
[15:50:45] <^demon|lunch>	MrZ-man: Bug 19845 blames your r53534 for a broken update.php.
[15:51:08] <^demon|lunch>	MrZ-man: I doubt that's really the case, but just fyi.
[15:58:15] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) CentralNotice on zhwiki cannot display correct variant - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19840  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[15:59:44] <TC-nbigelow>	What variable defines where the help page points to
[15:59:54] <TC-nbigelow>	Similar to wgUploadNaviagtionUrl
[16:07:30] <jc>	Do you mean in PHP or in the content?
[16:13:28] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r53555 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/src/test/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/integrator/ (6 files in 2 dirs): test cases for data model. intermediate commit, DOES NOT COMPILE
[16:25:27] <TC-nbigelow>	in PHP
[16:26:41] <jc>	No idea.
[16:28:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) r53534 brakes something (no idea, what) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19845  (10accnospamtom)
[16:28:52] <Sonja>	is there a way to list the pages of a category but not just their title but the title followed by a short description?
[16:31:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) {{int:Conversionname}} cannot be always rendered correctly in Sitenotice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19846 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (liangent)
[16:32:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CentralNotice on zhwiki cannot display correct variant - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19840  (10liangent)
[16:55:58] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r53556 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.i18n.php: Follow-up r53553: fix errors. Thanks to Siebrand.
[17:01:14] <Morbus>	g'day. i'm using the RenameUser plugin. i'm having the same issue as reported by someone else here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Renameuser#sql_error_message_on_1.14 and i'd like to track it down and attempt to fix it. has this table been renamed or changed?
[17:02:13] <^demon>	Morbus: Latest renameuser seems to make use of log_user_text, which doesn't exist in 1.14. You'll have to upgrade to 1.15.1 or use an older version of Renameuser.
[17:02:27] <Morbus>	^demon: i am upgraded, however.
[17:02:45] <Morbus>	i'm on 1.15.
[17:02:56] <Morbus>	http://www.disobey.com/wiki/Special:Version
[17:03:08] <Morbus>	and i've just grabbed the latest svn checkout of Renameuser
[17:03:27] <Morbus>	oh, you know, i'm not on 1.15.1. just 1.15.
[17:03:30] <Morbus>	is that it?
[17:03:52] <^demon>	No, log_user_text should be in 1.15.0 too.
[17:03:53] <Morbus>	no mention of that col or db change in the changelog.
[17:04:32] <Morbus>	what table is that in? i'll check if i have it.
[17:05:16] <^demon>	It's in the log table.
[17:05:41] <Morbus>	i have logging.log_user only.
[17:06:38] <Morbus>	log_user seems like the righter name, at least based on a grep in includes.
[17:06:46] <Morbus>	the only log_user_text is in Import.php
[17:06:53] <Tim-away>	just rename it
[17:07:01] <Morbus>	in the code, or in the db?
[17:07:10] <Morbus>	*RU code
[17:07:26] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53557 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (AddPrefs.php App.php SpecialLanguages.i18n.php): * Update OmegaWiki preferences code to use the new preferences interface, may need further work.
[17:08:05] <Tim-away>	both, make all instances in the code log_user_text, and the database log_user
[17:08:19] <Tim-away>	sorry, it's late, things seem funnier than they are sometimes
[17:08:23] <Morbus>	you lost me.
[17:08:28] <Morbus>	[13:08]  <Tim-away> both, make all instances in the code log_user_text, and the database log_user
[17:08:33] <Morbus>	^^ that's exactly what it currently is.
[17:08:39] <Morbus>	the code says log_user_text, the database says log_user
[17:08:57] <Tim-away>	some of the code
[17:09:08] <Tim-away>	some of it says log_user_text
[17:09:12] <^demon>	Tim-away: I thought log_user was the userid and log_user_text was the string name? Would changing those be ok?
[17:09:25] <Tim-away>	so the code that says log_user, change that to log_user_text
[17:09:31] <Tim-away>	and vice versa
[17:09:34] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r53558 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Optional for 'prefs-omegawiki'
[17:09:41] <Morbus>	the only code that says "log_user" is the code inside core /includes.
[17:09:46] <Morbus>	the code in RU says log_user_text.
[17:09:53] <Morbus>	i only have logging.log_user in the db.
[17:10:01] <Tim-away>	actually maybe you should just listen to ^demon
[17:10:42] <Morbus>	is the logging table supposed to have *both* log_user *and* log_user_text?
[17:11:09] <^demon>	Tim-away: Are you really that tired that you suggest listening to me? ;-)
[17:12:33] <Morbus>	or did it have both at one time or another?
[17:12:37] <Morbus>	                        $this->tablesJob['logging'] = array('log_user_text','log_user','log_timestamp');
[17:12:41] <Morbus>	are the lines inside RU...
[17:12:55] <Tim-away>	^demon: you realise I'm amusing myself by telling him the most bizarre and wrong things possible, right?
[17:13:03] *Morbus 	sniffs.
[17:13:18] <^demon>	Tim-away: Either that or extreme fatigue :p
[17:13:24] <^demon>	Tim-away: You got my e-mail btw, right?
[17:13:28] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53559 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/WikiDataAPI.php: * Replace non-existant methods with hardcoded numbers, needs reimplementing but this is better than a fatal.
[17:13:41] <Tim-away>	probably, I get lots of emails
[17:13:56] <Morbus>	Tim-away: just cos you're bored, or I've done something to annoy you in the past?
[17:14:30] <Tim-away>	more like the former
[17:14:37] <Tim-away>	really you just have to upgrade the database
[17:14:37] <Morbus>	ah, ok, phew.
[17:14:42] <Morbus>	upgrade the database?
[17:14:46] <Morbus>	this is a fresh install of 1.15.
[17:14:53] <Morbus>	and my tables match what is in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Logging_table
[17:15:28] <^demon>	Tim-away: It was asking for some feedback on the maintenance-work branch, if/when you get a bit of time.
[17:15:33] <Morbus>	and, on the wikis that /were/ upgrades of 1.13, i don't have log_user_text in the database table there, either, which is as it should be, based on the previous versions on the wiki page above ;)
[17:16:28] <^demon>	Morbus: Update.php _should_ add that column to your database. If it doesn't then that's a bug.
[17:16:52] <Morbus>	add what column? if it's supposed to add log_user_text to the database, why isn't that column in the http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Logging_table?
[17:17:08] <^demon>	Because mw.org docs are ridiculously out of date on some things.
[17:17:17] <Tim-away>	it's marked as 1.16
[17:17:35] <Tim-away>	it's in updaters.inc but it's missing from tables.sql
[17:17:37] <Morbus>	ok, so RU currently only works on 1.16 then?
[17:17:54] <Tim-away>	have you tried downloading the 1.15 branch of Renameuser?
[17:18:11] <Morbus>	there's a branch for it? i'm using the svn checkout linked from the page.
[17:18:16] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[17:18:29] <^demon>	woof woof.
[17:19:34] <Morbus>	ah ha. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19359
[17:19:42] <Tim-away>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/Renameuser
[17:20:22] <siebrand>	PHP Notice:  Undefined variable: thelink in /var/www/w/includes/Linker.php on line 1090 on http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Log&dir=prev&user=Siebrand . It was suggested this is due to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53518
[17:20:24] <Morbus>	Tim-away: weird, i've never even seen this page before.
[17:20:43] <Morbus>	ah ha. 
[17:20:50] <Morbus>	i've always used the svn checkouts to ease my updating.
[17:20:55] <Morbus>	and not the download snapshot thingy thing.
[17:21:06] <Morbus>	gotcha.
[17:21:58] <Marco27>	Simetrical: Hi! Do you know where I can find mwbot code? Because the link in [[Mwbot]] seems to not work...
[17:22:38] <Tim-away>	you can get it from svn, it's in /branches/REL1_15/extensions/Renameuser
[17:24:38] <Morbus>	Tim-away, ^demon: thanks for your patience.
[17:24:42] <Morbus>	tis working now.
[17:24:51] <^demon>	No problem.
[17:55:32] <^demon>	Ok bug 19845's summary is annoying me. Time to find a better one.
[18:00:09] <jc>	Surely someone must know the magic words to cause text to stop flowing around an image and restart in the left margin.  I'm really surprised == doesn't do that, since few (if any) people would want a header block on the right side of an image...
[18:00:44] <^demon>	jc: I don't think there's any magic wikitext to do that. You might have to resort to some CSS.
[18:00:51] <jc>	BLEH
[18:01:02] <jc>	<-- does not like having to figure out CSS each time :(
[18:01:13] <^demon>	(I could be wrong though, I'm no wikitext expert)
[18:01:21] <jc>	I learn just enough to do what I need, and then don't use it for a year, and I've forgotten it all.
[18:01:28] <jc>	I only have 640K of RAM.  Why would nayone else need more?
[18:02:28] <Skizzerz>	jc: <br style="clear: both" />
[18:02:35] <Skizzerz>	insert that after the image
[18:02:39] <jc>	I will try this.
[18:03:07] <jc>	You, sir, are a genius.
[18:03:11] <jc>	Thank you.
[18:03:54] <Skizzerz>	clear:all works too
[18:04:03] <Skizzerz>	see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:- and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:--
[18:04:28] <Skizzerz>	er, not the second
[18:05:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot view Special:Contributions (possible regression from r53534) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19845  summary; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:05:22] <jc>	It seems to me the <br style="clear: both" /> should be mentioned in the images documentation.  While not typically, it's not all THAT unusual to want to do this.  And I'd have NEVER throught to look in the template docs.  'cause, you know, like, I'm not doing templates?
[18:05:39] *^demon 	sighs
[18:05:42] <Skizzerz>	so add it in :)
[18:05:42] <^demon>	Much better summary.
[18:07:24] <charitwo>	nobody in #pywikipedia bot answering, how do you get the bot to stop sleeping for X.X seconds ?
[18:10:37] <MrZ-man>	By using something other than pywikipedia? :P
[18:11:09] <^demon>	MrZ-man: Can you take a poke @ bug 19845?
[18:11:35] <charitwo>	MrZ-man: not helpful
[18:14:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ganglia link to wikitech - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19829  (10William.Allen.Simpson)
[18:16:33] <Annemarie>	avar: Ack. You should keep all TS-related documentation at the TS wiki.
[18:16:55] <flyingparchment>	impossible, it's too craptascit
[18:17:39] <Annemarie>	Isn't that a reason to fix whatever the slowness is?
[18:18:17] <Annemarie>	A subpage of extension documentation is not a place to put server setup notes.
[18:18:26] <Annemarie>	At all.
[18:18:35] <jc>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images#Stopping_text_flow  Abuse welcome.
[18:18:41] <avar>	Annemarie: I'll move it in a few days, don't panic
[18:19:05] <Annemarie>	I just don't want a new Meta mess. :P  I'm still cleaning up the pages there.
[18:20:34] <MrZ-man>	^demon: looked, but no idea, all my tests worked fine, and it passes all the parser tests for the summary parser
[18:20:34] <flyingparchment>	Annemarie: i will get one of our numerous contractors on it right away
[18:21:10] *Annemarie 	gives flyingparchment a hug.
[18:22:05] <Annemarie>	Everyone appreciates the work you do; regardless of whether they're assholes when things break.
[18:28:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot view Special:Contributions (possible regression from r53534) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19845  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[18:29:45] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[18:29:56] <MrZ-man>	without knowing what the edit summary or the error is, there isn't a whole lot I can do...
[18:33:35] <^demon>	MrZ-man: I really don't know either. That rev seems completely unrelated to the problems he's describing. Meh.
[18:34:03] <Nikerabbit>	hi ^demon 
[18:34:52] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Heya
[18:35:14] <^demon|afk>	Back in a moment kids.
[18:35:23] <Annemarie>	^demon: I think brion did some work with making # and / links work in page histories.
[18:35:26] <Annemarie>	I bet it's related.
[18:35:38] <MrZ-man>	^demon: the only thing I can think of is that some odd corner case is causing the parse to fail, but I didn't change the logic all that much
[18:36:07] <MrZ-man>	and most of what I used was just copied from the parser :P
[18:39:08] <^demon>	Most likely. I can't reproduce his issue though, which makes fixing it hard :-\
[18:39:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Ganglia link to wikitech - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19829  +comment (10fvassard)
[18:43:55] <gribeco>	hi, is the code that sends out RCs over IRC part of the main mediawiki package? if so, which file(s)?
[18:45:17] <^demon>	gribeco: The code that sends it over UDP is, you have to get a bot to listen to the UDP port and broadcast it to IRC though.
[18:45:20] <^demon>	!irc
[18:45:20] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "irc". You might try: !gethelp !rcbot !repeat 
[18:45:26] <^demon>	!rcbot
[18:45:26] --mwbot--	To create an IRC bot to display recent changes to your Wiki, follow the directions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:IRC_RC_Bot>.
[18:45:40] <jc>	Old school.
[18:45:45] <jc>	Every twitters that crap now.
[18:46:13] <jc>	Everyone*
[18:46:31] <gribeco>	ok, thanks
[18:48:03] <Annemarie>	!irc is rcbot
[18:48:03] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: irc
[18:48:09] <Annemarie>	Ack, that's wrong.
[18:48:12] <Annemarie>	!irc del
[18:48:12] --mwbot--	Successfully removed keyword: irc
[18:48:15] <Annemarie>	!irc alias rcbot
[18:48:15] --mwbot--	Successfully added alias: irc
[18:48:19] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r53560 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ReplaceText.php: Fix for 'move pages' always set to true if there's an intermediate confirmation page; removed seemingly no-longer-necessary (?) escaping of slashes and single quotes in search string
[18:49:45] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r53561 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/SpecialReplaceText.php: Fix for 'move pages' always getting set to true if there's an intermediate confirmation page; removed seemingly no-longer-necessary (?) escaping of slashes and single quotes in search string
[18:52:10] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r53562 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/README: New version: 0.6.7
[18:53:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Blank toolbar. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19847 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (hartman)
[18:54:17] <thedj>	poor trevor...
[18:54:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blank toolbar. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19847  (10hartman)
[18:54:57] <Annemarie>	"Blank toolbar" <-- That's the summary you chose?
[18:55:12] <thedj>	yes. because it's accurate
[18:55:31] <^demon>	Annemarie: Certainly more descriptive than "r53534 brakes something (no idea, what)"
[18:55:32] <jc>	Is there a way to put a template in a category without having the template's category show up in the category list on a page that uses that template?
[18:55:39] <thedj>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6372
[18:55:43] <Annemarie>	^demon: Breaks. :P
[18:55:59] <^demon>	Annemarie: I didn't file the bug :p
[18:56:09] <Annemarie>	I think "Toolbar sporadically doesn't load" is more descriptive, but meh.
[18:56:14] <^demon>	And I've since retitled it, because the summary sucked That Much.
[18:59:46] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r53563 10/trunk/extensions/CooperationStatistics/ (2 files): Support PLURAL in messages properly.
[19:03:59] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r53564 10/trunk/extensions/CooperationStatistics/CooperationStatistics.i18n.php: Fix incorrect documentation in r53563
[19:08:24] <moe61>	Hello. How do I set up two wiki's from the same source? One for world use and owe for internal use?
[19:08:44] <picillo>	So besides lspc, how can I see what cards I have installed on a host from the CLI?
[19:09:06] <picillo>	I thought dsmesg did something like that. 
[19:09:07] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r53565 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (23 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-20 18:45 UTC)
[19:09:16] <flyingparchment>	picillo: i think you have the wrong channel, this is #mediawiki
[19:09:24] <picillo>	oh man.. 
[19:09:25] <picillo>	my bad.
[19:11:33] <Subfader>	i'd like to see a parser tag for random output. e.g. {{#random:1|2|3|4|5}} would randomly display one of the defined numbers. are there other ways to do it except via an extension?
[19:11:52] <Subfader>	i know there's a random image extension though
[19:13:26] <moe61>	anybody a idea how to set up two wiki's from same source?
[19:15:43] <Nikerabbit>	hi ialex 
[19:16:08] <ialex>	hello Nike
[19:16:10] <ialex>	rabbit
[19:16:12] <ialex>	:)
[19:16:38] <^demon>	Subfader: You could kinda half-ass it with time, mod, and ifeq?
[19:16:55] <Subfader>	testing http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RandomText atm
[19:18:31] <CIA-56>	03yaron * r53566 10/tags/extensions/ReplaceText/REL_0_6_7/ (7 files): Tag for version 0.6.7
[19:20:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add border="1" to tables, not just their stylesheets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18829  (10jidanni)
[19:36:25] <moe61>	anybody a hint for me to set up multiple wikis on the same source?
[19:36:35] <Emufarmers_>	!farm | moe61
[19:36:35] --mwbot--	moe61: To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family> and <http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/>.
[19:37:11] <Emufarmers_>	Hmm, not sure that second link is worth the noise
[19:37:46] <^demon>	!farm is To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family>
[19:37:46] --mwbot--	Keyword "farm" already exists. Use "!farm del" to remove it.
[19:37:50] <^demon>	!farm del
[19:37:50] --mwbot--	Successfully removed keyword: farm
[19:37:52] <^demon>	!farm is To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family>
[19:37:52] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: farm
[19:37:59] *Emufarmers_ 	snuggles ^demon
[19:38:08] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: That link 404's anyway
[19:38:36] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: WFM; maybe one of the angle brackets got into your address bar?
[19:39:11] <^demon>	Ha, that was it. It's terribly outdated though.
[19:39:43] <CIA-56>	03raymond * r53567 10/trunk/extensions/ (39 files in 33 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-20 19:25 UTC)
[19:40:40] <Emufarmers_>	Eh, guess I won't bother linking to it on the page, then
[19:45:32] <_neo_>	hi guys
[19:45:39] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[19:45:43] <Jacobross5>	hi
[19:45:47] <_neo_>	I've one question about structuring that's been nagging me
[19:46:06] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Has "ugga" just become your default response?
[19:46:16] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: ugga
[19:46:25] <_neo_>	I need to have two projects in my wiki
[19:47:12] <_neo_>	and each project should have a structure like: Project1/documentation/books and Project2/documentation/books
[19:47:40] <_neo_>	how should I create the categories documentation and books so they are unique
[19:47:55] <_neo_>	I mean what if I need to see all the books in just Project1?
[19:48:17] <Emufarmers_>	Special:Prefixindex?  Or use namespaces.  Or just use separate wikis.
[19:48:21] <_neo_>	how can I instruct mediawiki to show me that since I have the books category named the same for both projects?
[19:48:44] <_neo_>	prefindex? - what is that
[19:49:47] <_neo_>	I also saw that in Wikipedia they named the Mouse category just Mouse(for the animal) and "Mouse (computing)" (for the computing thing)
[19:50:18] <_neo_>	I was thinking to have something like: Project1/documentation of Project1/books from documentation of Project1 - but that's just very weird
[19:51:41] <_neo_>	sorry for the many words I wrote, but I needed to explain in more detail the sittuation
[20:04:32] <^demon>	Wow, it is pouring rain outside.
[20:04:41] <^demon>	I couldn't even hear the door prompt me to step in.
[20:04:55] <^demon>	(our automatic doors tell you to "Please, step into the door" after badge swiping)
[20:05:15] <Emufarmers_>	Where are you?
[20:05:33] <Emufarmers_>	Which state, I mean
[20:05:35] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: I work about 20 minutes from downtown Richmond, Va.
[20:06:07] <^demon>	(I live downtown though)
[20:06:28] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: yes, but it tends to change over time
[20:07:54] <CIA-56>	03siebrand * r53568 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/Babel.php: Add documentation on settings
[20:09:19] <_neo_>	any idea for my issue :)
[20:10:43] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: And I get to drive home in the rain today :p
[20:12:16] <sabunome>	is there a way to pre-populate category tags into new wiki pages?  I'd like to send users of our Web site to a wiki page if they'd like to discuss the content of a given page, but I want categories pre-assigned to the page they're linking to.    
[20:13:33] <Duesentrieb>	!preload
[20:13:33] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Creating_pages_with_preloaded_text
[20:13:40] <Duesentrieb>	sabunome: ^^
[20:15:42] <sabunome>	okay next I'm trying to find the broad side of this barn I keep hearing about...slinks away in shame at first IRC fail...Thanks!
[20:17:16] <^demon>	!broadsideofbarn
[20:17:16] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "broadsideofbarn".
[20:29:14] <OsamaK>	what is a "Preprocessor node"?
[20:30:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	OsamaK: It is something to do with parserfunctions
[20:31:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	I think it is how the preprocessor measures how complex a page is in terms of parserfunctions
[20:32:49] <OsamaK>	Mike_lifeguard: I see. Thanks.
[20:45:04] <^demon>	Yay, last work order closed for the day :)
[20:59:00] <GreenReaper>	One of our Chinese users has pointed out that categories, while displaying in the selected language variant, do not match if submitted in that variant (e.g. "[[Category:1988???]]" doesn't equal "[[Category:1988???]]"). Is there any way to enable this?
[20:59:27] <GreenReaper>	and for ??? imagine I have typed three chinese traditional characters the first time, and three simplified characters the second time.
[21:02:24] <GreenReaper>	see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3311#c14 for pretty much this issue
[21:04:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot view Special:Contributions (possible regression from r53534) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19845  (10accnospamtom)
[21:05:02] <GreenReaper>	It's also been mentioned to me that the problem doesn't seem to occur on Wikimedia wikis, and if they're using some other solution it'd be good to know what it is. <g>
[21:18:12] <GreenReaper>	An example is that http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E7%81%BD%E9%9B%A3 automatically converts to http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E7%81%BE%E9%9A%BE 
[21:30:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IE copies blue background from "ns-0 ltr" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5088  (10apper)
[21:31:06] <GreenReaper>	We're also having trouble with two word search terms not turning up for words of four characters - the equivalent of a search for Media not hitting on WikiMedia. I think this might have been fixed in 1.16, but I'm not sure - I'll be back later if not. ;-)
[21:46:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "jump to" accessibility links jump to right place but different name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  (10jidanni)
[22:00:25] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) vector skin "jump to" accessibility links jump to nowhere and elsewhere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17710  summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[22:04:10] <Annemarie>	!prefrant
[22:04:10] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "prefrant".
[22:04:13] <Annemarie>	!rant
[22:04:13] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "rant". You might try: !prefsrant !toolserver 
[22:04:18] <Annemarie>	!prefsrant
[22:04:18] --mwbot--	The current preferences system sucks and needs a rewrite. For a list of deficits and rewrite recommendations, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Deficits_of_the_current_preferences_system>
[22:04:50] <roberthl>	I thought it already was rewritten by werdna.
[22:04:57] <Annemarie>	It was.
[22:05:17] <Annemarie>	It's probably largely outdated now. But I need the model to write an interface rant.
[22:07:19] <CIA-56>	03daniel * r53569 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): test cases for data model test cases, DOES NOT COMPILE
[22:26:15] <GreenReaper>	For the curious, it seems that setting $wgDefaultLanguageVariant will do what I was talking about above.
[22:42:59] <Samus_Aran>	hello.  is there some way to delete all pages created by a particular [spam] user ?
[22:44:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) not all editing icons always applicable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19848 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (jidanni)
[22:44:50] <Emufarmers>	!e Nuke
[22:44:50] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
[22:44:59] <Emufarmers>	@Samus_Aran
[22:46:20] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: finally, a Lightning Bolt reprint
[22:46:36] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, yeah, they like to shake things up.
[22:46:45] <Simetrical>	Not too much more surprising than Hypnotic Specter in Tenth, I have to say.
[22:46:46] <graft>	hi ho, anyone know how i can get it so i can preview SWFs on the appropriate Image:blah.swf article page?
[22:47:11] *Simetrical 	waits for Mana Drain to be reprinted.
[22:47:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Clean up the rendering of messages displayed at the top of the edit window (patch) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16175  +comment (10jidanni)
[22:47:51] *AaronSchulz 	grumbles about reserved lists
[22:48:29] <Emufarmers>	I thought they did a Lightning Bolt reprint a couple years ago?
[22:48:33] <Simetrical>	Yeah, well, they already relaxed the reserved list policy, didn't they?
[22:48:37] <Simetrical>	Emufarmers, not a Standard-legal one.
[22:49:07] <Simetrical>	Anyway, the reserved list is sort of silly.  The original intent was to stop cards from losing value, but the old cards would become *insanely* more valuable if reprinted standard-legal.
[22:49:23] <Simetrical>	At least the tournament-playable ones.
[22:49:26] <AaronSchulz>	http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=190562
[22:49:35] <AaronSchulz>	nice...why are these still cheap?
[22:49:37] <Simetrical>	So they admit it's kind of stupid but don't want to go back on their word.
[22:49:59] <Skizzerz>	:o mtg
[22:50:00] <Simetrical>	Heh, my power-level-assessment skills atrophied long ago.
[22:50:12] <Simetrical>	That looks sort of mediocre.
[22:50:20] <Simetrical>	I mean, not that bad.
[22:50:22] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53570 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[22:50:22] <CIA-56>	Wikidata:
[22:50:22] <CIA-56>	* Clean up include point.
[22:50:22] <CIA-56>	* Remove hack for OmegaWikiAttributes .
[22:50:23] <Simetrical>	I don't know.
[22:50:37] <Simetrical>	They've printed better dual lands somewhat recently, for sure.
[22:50:48] <Skizzerz>	also, wtf @ the switch from "comes into play" to "enters the battlefield"
[22:50:50] <AaronSchulz>	You should always have some islands/plains in a u/w deck...and old duals count too :)
[22:51:11] <AaronSchulz>	so it would rarely come into play tapped
[22:51:16] <Simetrical>	I see where they're coming from with the zone name changes.
[22:51:49] <Splarka>	rar Skizzerz: made any progress making restricted displaytitle not be such a slut? ^_^
[22:52:07] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, well, if you're running only Islands/Plains/those, maybe.  Unless you get two.  And if you get Island+Glacial Fortress+only white one-drops you lose the turn anyway.
[22:52:10] <Skizzerz>	not really, been doing paid stuff
[22:52:50] <Simetrical>	"Enters the battlefield" is kind of cooler-sounding than "comes into play", it's true.  It also used to be kind of confusing to have "play" vs. "comes into play", newbies would always get confused on that.
[22:53:17] <Simetrical>	"Does my [insert 'Whenever you play...' ability] trigger when I use Elvish Piper?"  "No."
[22:53:24] <Samus_Aran>	Emufarmers: I added the extension, but it doesn't show up.  do I have to restart something, Apache, etc. ?
[22:53:36] <Skizzerz>	also, wizards really needs to stop reprinting Platinum Angel in core sets
[22:54:09] <Emufarmers>	Skizzerz: for whom? o:
[22:54:16] <Simetrical>	Platinum Angel is a cool card.
[22:54:19] <Skizzerz>	Emufarmers: hmm?
[22:54:23] <Emufarmers>	Samus_Aran: go to Special:Nuke
[22:54:28] <Skizzerz>	Simetrical: yes, but it shouldn't be in core sets >_>
[22:54:34] <Samus_Aran>	Emufarmers: "No such special page"
[22:54:35] <Emufarmers>	Skizzerz: the paid stuff
[22:54:38] <Simetrical>	Meh, core sets should have cool cards.
[22:54:47] <Skizzerz>	Emufarmers: this one is from mwusers
[22:55:05] <Emufarmers>	Samus_Aran: link?
[22:55:13] <Simetrical>	Heh, looks like Microsoft is officially a Linux kernel contributor now.
[22:55:20] <Simetrical>	http://lwn.net/Articles/342305/rss
[22:56:04] <Samus_Aran>	Emufarmers: it's private, sorry.  I have added the Cite extension before without troubles, not sure what's wrong this time.  I added the require() in the local settings file and added the four files from svn to the Nuke folder in extensions, as per the instructions
[22:56:15] <Samus_Aran>	Emufarmers: oh, and set the web server permissions so it can access the files
[22:56:31] <Emufarmers>	Samus_Aran: use the version of the extension that matces your version of MediaWiki
[23:02:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove worse-than-useless <meta> keywords feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19761  +comment (10jidanni)
[23:06:26] <roberthl>	What would be the best way to extend the Article class?
[23:09:48] <CIA-56>	03nad * r53571 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): oops, remove debugging output
[23:12:59] <roberthl>	ArticleFromTitle in case anyone is interested.
[23:13:26] <shortcircuit>	Can someone tell me what a link like this does? http://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Main_Page?shortcir_rcmwdb_session=17e6f7b0a179cc9a2de262a6ac279250
[23:13:49] <shortcircuit>	At the time that link was placed on the Internet, the database name was shortcir_rcmwdb. (It's changed since then.)
[23:14:07] <shortcircuit>	I just happened across it thanks to a Google Search Alert.
[23:18:38] <Nikerabbit>	hey you
[23:20:10] <Splarka>	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ugga
[23:24:22] <Samus_Aran>	Emufarmers: that seems counterintuitive, to use an older extension that may have security issues.  what has changed in MediaWiki that would break extensions like this ?
[23:24:27] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: sleepy time
[23:29:26] <Samus_Aran>	what is MediaWiki 1.11 or newer ?  the versions come in three numbers, not 2.  1.9.2 for example
[23:30:20] <Samus_Aran>	that plugin says it requires "1.11+"
[23:30:24] <^demon>	Samus_Aran: Anything from 1.12.x or above is considered newer than 1.11.
[23:30:49] <^demon>	Sometimes releases (like 1.12) will have second releases like for extra bugfixes. Then we add a new number, like 1.12.1
[23:31:30] <Samus_Aran>	okay.  so then our MediaWiki is too old to run the plugin.  how painless/full is upgrading MediaWiki ?
[23:32:03] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53572 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (App.php includes/WikidataArticle.php patches/OmegaWiki.diff): 
[23:32:03] <CIA-56>	Wikidata:
[23:32:03] <CIA-56>	* Remove patch for Article.php in favor of overriding.
[23:32:03] <CIA-56>	* Remove two misc. unneeded patches.
[23:32:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Many Special pages need constant width date, else columns won't line up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19187  summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[23:34:08] <^demon>	Samus_Aran: It should be pretty painless. Download the latest, copy the files over your current install (save LocalSettings.php and make a backup of your DB first), then run update.php from the command line
[23:34:13] <^demon>	!upgrade
[23:34:13] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[23:34:20] <^demon>	Samus_Aran: More info there ^^^
[23:38:08] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Put CodeReview changes in recentchanges table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18481  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:39:05] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53573 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (App.php OmegaWiki/Wikidata.php): * Quick fix for previous commit, missed a few autoloads.
[23:40:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Put CodeReview changes in recentchanges table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18481  (10public)
[23:40:51] <Samus_Aran>	what's in MediaWiki that makes it so huge ?  10MB tarball for a wiki seems excessive
[23:41:12] <CIA-56>	03minuteelectron * r53574 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/Wikidata.php: * Remove bad fix that snuck in with previous commit.
[23:41:33] <Samus_Aran>	(not insulting MediaWiki, just curious)
[23:41:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Checkuser watchlist feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19796  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:42:25] <AaronSchulz>	domas: does the user_talk table have the last_timestamp field?
[23:42:29] <AaronSchulz>	on WMF
[23:42:50] <^demon>	Samus_Aran: The localization files, mostly.
[23:43:23] <Annemarie>	AaronSchulz: Why not use a bot flag for the recentchanges if you're worried about clutter? Putting Code Review things in there is the simplest solution...
[23:43:33] <Annemarie>	The IRC bridge is already established, people can see the activity (by showing bots...), etc.
[23:44:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Put CodeReview changes in recentchanges table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18481  +comment (10siebrand)
[23:54:28] <Samus_Aran>	^demon: even 1MB of compressed text is absolutely massive, though gzip doesn't compress all that well
[23:56:35] <OverlordQ>	well the skins folder is 8 megs, the js2 folder is a whopping 22 megs (jesus christ)
[23:56:54] <OverlordQ>	languages is 71
[23:57:28] <OverlordQ>	oh wait, that's counting the crappy .svn folders
[23:57:29] <OverlordQ>	god I hate svn
[23:57:51] <OverlordQ>	shits all over your folder structure :(