[00:00:35] <CIA-70>	03warx * r53632 10/trunk/tools/planet/pl/config.ini: adding wikiexpedition blog to pl.planet
[00:03:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) '''Bold Text''' when both the new toolbar and wikEd are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19776  (10hartman)
[00:46:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) '''Bold Text''' when both the new toolbar and wikEd are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19776  +comment (10oq9pscb02)
[00:51:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Several problems with styles for thumbnails (thumb) in PageCSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16272  -easy ; +comment (10chinchi29)
[00:52:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Several problems with styles for thumbnails (thumb) in PageCSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16272  normal->trivial (10chinchi29)
[00:52:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) White border around thumb in Standard skin outside main namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8814  (10chinchi29)
[00:52:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10chinchi29)
[01:26:49] <Emufarmers>	brion: could I bribe/cajole you to look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16084#c8 ?
[01:35:55] <brion>	Emufarmers: yum!
[01:36:08] <brion>	did i seriously never check in a change like that? meant to for ages :P :)
[01:36:36] <brion>	i'll poke it after dinner... never commit last thing before you leave to go home ;)
[01:37:03] <brion>	looks good offhand :D
[01:39:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Invisible revision in "Deleted user contributions" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19864  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:40:44] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Try using git-svn for CodeReview on MediaWiki.org to make viewing diffs faster - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19671  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[01:40:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) '''Bold Text''' when both the new toolbar and wikEd are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19776  (10oq9pscb02)
[02:24:52] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r53633 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/CodeRepository.php: Made pre-caching actually work
[02:28:56] <Emachman>	werdna: is this normal? Unrecognised keyword rlike at character 1.
[02:29:37] <Emachman>	Whoops, nebermind
[03:11:39] <CIA-70>	03mrzman * r53634 10/trunk/extensions/IndexFunction/ (3 files): 
[03:11:39] <CIA-70>	*Refactor the backend to be a little less horrible to work with and eliminate some code duplication
[03:11:39] <CIA-70>	*Fix bug 19723 by hooking on pagemoves as well
[03:11:39] <CIA-70>	*Remove unused messages
[03:12:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Update index table when pages are deleted. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19723  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[03:17:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) '''Bold Text''' when both the new toolbar and wikEd are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19776  (10oq9pscb02)
[03:34:11] <shortcircuit>	Amusing.
[03:34:26] <shortcircuit>	My recent changes feed served up this URL: http://rosettacode.org/mw/index.php?title=User:Conradwt&diff=0&oldid=prev
[03:35:25] <CIA-70>	03purodha * r53635 10/trunk/extensions/Contributionseditcount/Contributionseditcount.php: Bugfix: continue hook processing, instead of aborting with an error message, even if no, wrong, or nonexisting user name given.
[03:35:40] <Emufarmers>	shortcircuit: check Bugzilla?
[03:36:12] <shortcircuit>	Emufarmers: It'll have to wait until this weekend.
[03:36:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SUL not always checked on account creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19869 critical; Normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (William.Allen.Simpson)
[03:36:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) '''Bold Text''' when both the new toolbar and wikEd are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19776  (10oq9pscb02)
[03:42:33] <shortcircuit>	What's a quick way to set up file caching for pages?  The docs for the FileCache builtin indicate that it's buggy where templates are concerned, and my site makes extensive use of them.  I don't want to have to touch LocalSettings.php every time one of my user changes one of the templates present on 80% of the pages...
[03:50:11] <AaronSchulz>	templates are fine as long as they are not transcluded based on time/random variables
[03:51:06] <shortcircuit>	Not sure if ParserFunctions is being used to select which templates to transclude.
[03:51:15] <shortcircuit>	It's a distinct possibility, though.
[03:51:56] <shortcircuit>	About two hundred templates are updated every four hours via bot.
[03:52:17] <shortcircuit>	Erm...Actually, make that about eight hundred.
[03:53:49] <shortcircuit>	Main_Page includes a template with a couple special variables in it.  Two PAGESINCAT queries.
[03:55:02] <shortcircuit>	Splarka: 'lo again. :)
[03:55:21] <Splarka>	rar
[03:55:33] <shortcircuit>	Splarka: Prefer 7zip, myself. :-P
[03:56:02] <Splarka>	doesn't roll off the tongue like a good subvocal "rar"
[03:58:58] <Emufarmers>	AaronSchulz: are the cases mentioned on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File_cache#Invalidation still valid?
[03:59:24] *Splarka 	grunts something about int: abuse on commons being another nasty one, heh heh
[03:59:53] <CIA-70>	03mrzman * r53636 10/trunk/extensions/IndexFunction/SpecialIndex.php: Do real title normalization rather than just replacing spaces with underscores
[03:59:54] <Emufarmers>	Or more importantly, I suppose, are any of them valid that aren't also true of Squid?
[04:00:28] <AaronSchulz>	not sure about the first three
[04:00:31] <AaronSchulz>	others are true
[04:01:03] <Emufarmers>	Well, pretty sure those things are also true of Squid?
[04:01:21] <Emufarmers>	Also, what about the thing about pagination?
[04:01:54] <AaronSchulz>	actually DPL works
[04:02:04] <AaronSchulz>	I just disable filecache for those pages
[04:02:14] <AaronSchulz>	*disabled
[04:03:13] *AaronSchulz 	updates the docs
[04:03:59] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r53637 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/LocalisationCache.php maintenance/parserTests.inc): (bug 19574) LocalisationCache gets confused when external code deletes its store after it does its cache freshness check. Fix by reinitialising the cache after the DB setup.
[04:04:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) parserTests.php fails when l10n_cache is populated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19574  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:10:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Database update for l10n_cache fails on non-EN installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19447  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:18:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) $wgOut->setPageTitle() html entity escaping bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14773  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[04:48:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) '''Bold Text''' when both the new toolbar and wikEd are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19776  (10oq9pscb02)
[04:54:12] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r53638 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Fixed php 5.3 reference error
[04:54:43] <Annemarie>	MrZ-man: Around?
[04:54:52] <MrZ-man>	maybe
[04:55:19] <Annemarie>	I think I've got a bug. Wanna double-check me?
[04:55:26] <MrZ-man>	sure
[04:56:44] <Annemarie>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rctype=new&rcdir=newer&rcshow=!patrolled|!redirect&rcprop=title|timestamp&rcnamespace=0&format=xmlfm&rclimit=1 versus http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&dir=prev&limit=1&hideredirs=1&hidepatrolled=1&namespace=0
[05:00:09] <Tim-away>	who is sam@reedyboy.net?
[05:01:20] <p858snake>	bah wish wikibugs would use the name showen in bugzilla not the users email address but i don't think it's possible
[05:01:52] <p858snake>	oh wait, it's possible if theres a comment attached by the looks
[05:03:23] <Splarka>	isn't that Reedy?
[05:03:31] <Annemarie>	Yes.
[05:03:46] *Splarka 	finds verification: Reedy <sam@reedyboy.net>
[05:03:48] <Tim-away>	he submits a lot of unfunny quotes from #mediawiki to bugzilla quips
[05:03:49] <Annemarie>	"Reedy" on IRC and Wikimedia projects. Developer of AutoWikiBrowser.
[05:04:11] <Splarka>	unfunny, why does that make my ears burn
[05:05:14] <MrZ-man>	Annemarie: that's odd
[05:05:42] <Annemarie>	MrZ-man: Wanna take a guess at the cause? See if our conclusions match? :-)
[05:09:26] <Prodego>	Anyone who developed autowikibrowser must not have a sense of humor
[05:11:04] <MrZ-man>	pagemove over a redirect?
[05:12:26] <MrZ-man>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16877
[05:12:50] <p858snake>	over the last few days of ED being broken i have only ever seen twp people in here asking about it
[05:14:10] <MrZ-man>	"If a page is deleted, its removed from the RC table, the same should be true for a page moved over a redirect, as the original redirect is essentially deleted before the move (the redirect revision is actually completely inaccessible"
[05:15:08] <Annemarie>	MrZ-man: Oh, you already knew about this.
[05:15:19] <Annemarie>	You should fix it. :-)
[05:15:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Newfiles perishes when using OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19870 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: OggHandler; (mohamed.m.k)
[05:15:55] <Annemarie>	"The fact that some people use rctype=new to mimick Special:Newpages behavior doesn't mean that rctype=new should behave like Special:Newpages."
[05:16:07] <Annemarie>	Well, query-based pages aren't available from the API.
[05:16:14] <Annemarie>	So that's not a very nice argument.
[05:16:15] <MrZ-man>	I think I was spending something like $8/hr for wifi in an airport when I made that last comment on the bug, so I didn't have much time to investigate
[05:17:45] *p858snake 	should point to Splarka sometime soon that i have pm's being rejected after the first line atm
[05:18:03] <Splarka>	sounds like a personal problem
[05:19:08] <p858snake>	no i enabled it awhile ago because someone was spamming me on another network and i havn't turned it off yet
[05:19:14] <Splarka>	fail?
[05:19:19] <Splarka>	well, here then: http://p.defau.lt/?ntdpypJEQtRloYS1JsG8MQ
[05:20:31] <Prodego>	Splarka: what is that supposed to be
[05:20:45] <Splarka>	<p858snake> over the last few days of ED being broken i have only ever seen twp people in here asking about it
[05:20:46] <Splarka>	<MrZ-man> "If a page is deleted,
[05:20:53] <Splarka>	er, minus the MZM bit
[05:21:10] <Splarka>	he's seen two, I've seen twelve
[05:21:11] <MrZ-man>	Annemarie: I had mostly forgotten about it, maybe I'll look at it tomorrow or something
[05:21:21] <Annemarie>	MrZ-man: Yay. :-)
[05:21:23] <Splarka>	er MrZ bit
[05:21:44] <Splarka>	Prodego: why dya ask?
[05:22:00] <Prodego>	because I am in it :)
[05:22:07] <Splarka>	complainer!
[05:26:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Moving a page over a redirect causes a revision to vanish - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19871 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mrzmanwiki)
[05:27:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Moving a page over a redirect should remove entries from the RC table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16877  (10mrzmanwiki)
[05:27:56] <Nebusoku>	i am having an issue with installation, its authing the database on initial build out but its throwing cannot not open /maintance/tables.sql even though I have tried changing all files on the account to 777 and I have re-uploaded all of the files
[05:28:02] <MrZ-man>	"In the interests of not having edits completely disappear ..."
[05:29:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow full range of characters in page titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19872 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (rememberthedot)
[05:30:34] <shortcircuit>	Ow, paginated categories are broken if they have more than 200 pages?
[05:31:45] <Annemarie>	Splarka: Would you like 19872?
[05:32:11] <shortcircuit>	With that being the case, I'd opt to disable that entire namespace from caching.
[05:32:49] <shortcircuit>	I have 11 categories with more than 200 members.
[05:33:15] <Splarka>	*facepalm*
[05:34:22] <Splarka>	"rampant abuses offered by disabling $wgRestrictDisplayTitle"
[05:34:38] <Splarka>	hah, how about the rampant abuses still possible by NOT disabling it
[05:35:06] <Annemarie>	"While editors would have to be educated about percent-encoding ..."
[05:35:13] <Splarka>	wait, isn't he a committer?
[05:35:16] <Annemarie>	Riiiight.
[05:35:23] <Annemarie>	Yes, he is.
[05:46:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow full range of characters in page titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19872  +comment (10catlow)
[05:56:05] <RichardJ87>	I've been trying to trying to transclude a page i've created ("MainPage:Welcome") into another page, but if I put {{MainPage:Welcome}} on another page it forcibly puts "Template" on the front to make "Template:MainPage:Welcome" which doesn't exist
[05:56:33] <RichardJ87>	According to this page a page doesn't have to be under the Template namespace to be transcluded - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion
[05:56:41] <RichardJ87>	anyone know what's going on there?
[05:56:44] <Annemarie>	{{:MainPage:Welcome}}
[05:56:49] <Annemarie>	{{ assumes Template:
[05:56:55] <Annemarie>	For other namespaces, specify the name.
[05:56:55] <RichardJ87>	thanks :)
[05:56:59] <Annemarie>	For the (Main) namespace.. yeah.
[06:02:24] <RichardJ87>	Does MediaWiki not allow you to make a link on MainPage:Welcome to itself. If I put [[MainPage:Welcome|MainPage:Welcome]] on that page it just creates bold text
[06:02:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Safari native browser support for media doesn't have pause/scrubbing controls - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19873 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (suicup)
[06:04:47] <Splarka>	RichardJ87: check the source, you
[06:04:53] <Annemarie>	RichardJ87: Right.
[06:04:54] <Splarka>	'll notice class="selflink" or such
[06:05:02] <Annemarie>	're a fan of apostrophes?
[06:05:06] <Splarka>	you can fake it though, [[MainPage:Welcome#|MainPage:Welcome]]
[06:05:25] <Splarka>	but generally it is a notification that "hey, dumbass, you're ON that page"
[06:05:52] <Annemarie>	Is "dumbass" i18n compatible? 
[06:06:13] <Splarka>	no, hence "selflink"
[06:07:04] <Splarka>	http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dumbass#p-lang
[06:07:05] <Splarka>	heh
[06:28:59] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r53639 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/ReaderFeedback.php: Make update.php do initial table creation
[07:39:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add configuration option to mask file extensions for image description pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19874 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (rohde)
[07:53:27] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r53640 10/trunk/extensions/CooperationStatistics/CooperationStatistics.i18n.php: Fix syntax error for plural
[07:53:29] <Duesentrieb>	http://destraynor.com/cufon/
[07:54:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Autoreview right not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19875 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (gtisza)
[08:01:41] <Nikerabbit>	MrZ-man: isn't Title::makeTitleSafe better?
[08:16:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoreview right not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19875  (10JSchulz_4587)
[08:26:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) zh-tw still calling NS_FILE 'image' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19876 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (jidanni)
[08:34:14] <Splarka>	"hi weird non-english languages, to use mediawiki you have to invent 10 words that are distinct, but mean the same thing as 'delete', as well as 5 for 'image'"
[08:34:14] <Splarka>	imagine if Inuit was the first programming language, we'd have to invent 100 words for shades of snow 
[08:43:55] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: bah
[08:44:37] *Nikerabbit 	pokes Splarka for trolling
[08:50:24] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: but it must be trueeee
[08:50:45] <Splarka>	what does cherokee have for delete/oversight/archive/hide/suprpess ?
[08:50:51] <Splarka>	(etc)
[09:05:00] <Usama>	I want the number of contributions for every user on my wiki ar.linux.yourwiki.net how to get it?
[09:09:47] <domas>	select user_editcount,user_name from user;
[09:09:47] <domas>	:)
[09:14:20] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: the cherokee localisation is not that far yet
[09:17:51] <ialex>	Usama: http://ar.linux.yourwiki.net/w/api.php?action=query&list=allusers&auprop=editcount&aulimit=50
[09:40:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoreview right not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19875  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[09:40:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Invisible revision in "Deleted user contributions" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19864  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[09:40:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use of undefined constant - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19877 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (j-a-n)
[09:40:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoreview right not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19875  (10gtisza)
[09:43:17] <Usama>	thanks
[09:51:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoreview right not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19875  (10gtisza)
[09:54:13] <Usama>	is there a way to get the top 100
[09:59:07] <Duesentrieb>	Usama: select user_editcount,user_name from user order by user_editcount desc limit 100;
[10:04:46] <Usama>	I don't know how
[10:10:03] <p858snake>	its a mysql query
[10:13:12] <Usama>	aha but can someone give me the link becasue I don't know sql
[10:13:25] <Reedy>	There is no link
[10:13:47] <Reedy>	You need to  use PHPMyAdmin or a command line SQL client to execute the query against your database server
[10:13:54] <Reedy>	You've already been given the query
[10:14:12] <Usama>	mmm
[10:25:00] <ff567>	Hi, any ETA on the ExtensionDistributor recovery? I'd like to download the Imagemap Extension.
[10:25:36] <Reedy>	You can still get it via svn
[10:25:49] <ff567>	Oh ok
[10:26:06] <Reedy>	You just cant have it done for you nicely packaged ;)
[10:26:10] <Splarka>	p858snake: ++
[10:27:16] <ff567>	Thank you, i'll try to get it via svn. :)
[10:34:28] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r53641 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/deleteRevision.php): 
[10:34:28] <CIA-70>	* (bug 19857) maintenance/deleteRevision.php on last revision no longer breaks target page
[10:34:28] <CIA-70>	* also copy ar_page_id, ar_len and ar_deleted fields when deleting a revision
[10:35:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) maintenance/deleteRevision.php on last revision breaks targeted page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19857  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[10:48:47] <CIA-70>	03nikerabbit * r53642 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
[10:48:47] <CIA-70>	* Typoe in FreeCol.yml
[10:48:47] <CIA-70>	* Bugfixes in message collection, ffs
[10:48:47] <CIA-70>	* FC fixes in TranslateTasks and export
[10:55:18] <__neo__>	rt
[11:44:07] <freakolowsky>	goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Vietnam
[11:45:55] <Nikerabbit>	huh
[11:46:41] <freakolowsky>	overabundant endorphins
[12:08:40] <yangxiao>	Does any one know when will ExtensionDistributor be OK?
[12:16:27] <CrGrBMP>	hello.  i found on wiki interestin template. and want to use it in my wiki, but when i click on template link to see code i linked to temlate documetation, but no template code only calls examples. How can i get a temlate code?
[12:21:04] <thedj>	CrGrBMP: link ?
[12:22:03] <CrGrBMP>	i used ru. version of wiki cuz its my native w8 a sec i found some examples on en. version
[12:48:46] <k4jcw>	Good morning.  Is there a tool that will walk all the pages and report any broken internal links?  Like [[foo]], where the page foo doesn't exist?
[12:49:28] <Splarka>	Special:Wantedpages
[12:49:51] <k4jcw>	Ah.  Thankee
[12:53:39] <CrGrBMP>	is there some calls wich allow me to use wiki templates on my wiki?
[12:58:09] <k4jcw>	Will moveBatch.php safely move a file?  Or is there some other less painful way than save/delete/re-upload to rename a file, such as foo.pdf?
[13:01:56] <Splarka>	there is the 'movefile' right, been around a while, but disabled by default
[13:02:20] <Splarka>	was enabled on wikimedia for a while, had some probs, was disabled, was fixed, hasn't been reenabled yet
[13:02:45] <Splarka>	it should be okay (enabled on test.wikipedia.org )
[13:03:18] <k4jcw>	Does the File namespace also include the Image namespace?
[13:03:54] <k4jcw>	n/m
[13:05:40] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowImageMoving
[13:05:48] <Splarka>	and give 'movefile' right to someone
[13:05:49] <k4jcw>	Yah, found that.
[13:06:00] <k4jcw>	I didn't realize it created a tab for the purpose.
[13:06:10] <k4jcw>	It talks about the 'File' name space on one page.
[13:06:43] <k4jcw>	"movefile	allows renaming pages in the "File" namespace (requires the move right and $wgAllowImageMoving to be true)."
[13:08:58] <Splarka>	'Image' was renamed 'File' recently
[13:09:13] <k4jcw>	So I moved a file, it created a redirect.  I deleted the redirect (because I'm doing reorganizing on a site that isn't hot yet), and while the referencing page now has a broken link (as expected), that broken link isn't showing up in the Special:WantedPages list.
[13:12:19] <Splarka>	that isn't a wanted 'page'
[13:13:43] <k4jcw>	What constitudes a wanted page, then?  I'm looking for a utility that finds internal inconsistencies, so when I move a file and forget to update the referencing page, I can fix it.
[13:13:46] <Splarka>	Special:WantedFiles
[13:14:23] <Splarka>	there aer also wanted templates, and wanted categories
[13:14:25] <Splarka>	^are
[13:14:46] <Splarka>	{{template}} [[Category:]] [[File:]] [[Everything else (mostly)]]
[13:15:02] <Splarka>	see Special:Specialpages
[13:15:27] <k4jcw>	I am.  I don't see WantedTemplates.
[13:15:37] <k4jcw>	I do see WantedCategories.
[13:15:53] <Splarka>	what version are you using?
[13:15:59] <k4jcw>	But if I move a file, and a page references it, shouldn't that File: or Image: be considered a wanted item?
[13:16:08] <k4jcw>	1.13.3
[13:16:16] <Splarka>	yes, but not a wanted 'page', it would be a wanted File (or Image)
[13:16:47] <Splarka>	[[File:Foo]] doesn't make a regular link, it makes an imagelink
[13:17:55] <Duesentrieb>	if the file is actually an image :)
[13:17:59] <k4jcw>	OK.  I don't really care if I have to check 4 different links (wantedpages, wantedcategories, etc), but all I've got is WantedCategories and WantedPages for wanted options.
[13:19:24] <Duesentrieb>	k4jcw: well, i do see wantedtemplates, at least on 1.15
[13:19:25] <Splarka>	maybe 1.13 didn't have the other two *shrug*
[13:19:34] <Splarka>	so leave the redirects
[13:19:34] <Duesentrieb>	quite possible
[13:19:40] <Splarka>	they work, they aren't harmful
[13:20:00] <Splarka>	redirects are intended to be available as a permanent fixture
[13:20:15] <Splarka>	(not all wikis use them as such, but many do)
[13:21:49] <k4jcw>	I understand the purpose and intent of redirects, but I don't like unnecessary ones.  I'm the sole manager of the content.  If there's a popular page that gets renamed that someone potentially bookmarked, I'd leave it.  But a lot of my wiki is personal content, where I don't care if someone bookmarks it and can't find it.  And for that case, I'd rather not have redirects.  It's a personal thing :)
[13:22:28] <k4jcw>	However, since 1.15.1 is out, and I haven't upgraded in a while, I think I will.
[13:23:40] <k4jcw>	Do you know, offhand, if 1.13.3 to 1.15.1 requires a schema change?
[13:27:17] *Splarka 	doesn't, but guesses so
[13:31:18] <CIA-70>	03shinjiman * r53643 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesZh_tw.php: (bug 19876) remove the obsolete namespace names into aliases for zh-tw
[13:31:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) zh-tw still calling NS_FILE 'image' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19876  +comment (10shinjiman)
[13:39:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) '''Bold Text''' when both the new toolbar and wikEd are enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19776  (10oq9pscb02)
[13:47:59] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[13:53:09] <freakolowsky>	ehlo
[14:01:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) datetime fields' time components can end up in date fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19878 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (mail)
[14:01:47] <k4jcw>	HELO www.somewebsite.com
[14:02:41] <freakolowsky>	ERR 599 Name Too Weird
[14:02:43] <CrGrBMP>	{| class="infobox"  style="width:21em;"
[14:02:43] <CrGrBMP>	|colspan=2 style="text-align:center;" | {{{�����������}}}
[14:02:43] <CrGrBMP>	|-
[14:02:43] <CrGrBMP>	!colspan=2 style="text-align: center;" | ''{{{���}}}''
[14:02:43] --mwbot--	''{{{���}}}'': I don't know anything about "colspan=2".
[14:02:43] <CrGrBMP>	|-
[14:02:44] <CrGrBMP>	!colspan=2 style="font-size: larger; {{#switch:{{{��������������}}}
[14:02:44] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "colspan=2".
[14:02:46] <CrGrBMP>	  |Legion - Agility = background-color: green; color: gold; border: 1px solid gold;
[14:02:48] <CrGrBMP>	  |Legion - Intelligence = background-color: #8b00ff; color: gold; border: 1px solid gold;
[14:02:50] <CrGrBMP>	  |Legion - Strength = background-color: #adff2f; color: white; border: 1px solid white;
[14:02:52] <CrGrBMP>	  |HellBourne - Agility = background-color: red; color: white; border: 1px solid white;
[14:02:54] <CrGrBMP>	  |HellBourne - Intelligence = background-color: #4b0082; color: yellow; border: 1px solid yellow;
[14:02:56] <CrGrBMP>	  |HellBourne - Strength = background-color: #825200; color: purple; border: 1px solid gold;
[14:02:58] <CrGrBMP>	  |#default = 
[14:03:00] <CrGrBMP>	}}"
[14:03:02] <CrGrBMP>	|}
[14:03:04] <k4jcw>	kick him!  kick him!
[14:03:27] <freakolowsky>	Beat on the brat with a baseball bat!!!
[14:03:45] <k4jcw>	oooh, nice alliteration there.
[14:06:14] <CrGrBMP>	who knows what wrong with that template, so its dont displays #switch section?
[14:10:06] <k4jcw>	The first problem is you pasted it into a channel.  Besides Generally Being Bad(tm), what people see will depend on thier charset.  You should use a pastebin.
[14:10:38] <cadrian>	Hi all, please give me a hint how can I copy a part of my wiki on other wiki 
[14:11:13] <cadrian>	it has a lot of links and subcategories and  it is hard to doit by hand
[14:12:28] <k4jcw>	I'm guessing here (there are people with far more expertise than I in this channel), but I'm betting dumpBackup.php and importBackup.php may be what you're looking for.
[14:14:01] <k4jcw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:DumpBackup.php  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps
[14:15:25] <k4jcw>	See Special:Export and Special:Import, too
[14:26:41] <cadrian>	Special:Export only exports current page without the links in it , but is nice to know
[14:35:26] <k4jcw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#Upgrading talks about running the upgrade script, but they never call out the name of it.
[14:59:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) IRC RC Bot allows RC injection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19879 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: IRC; (gribeco)
[15:00:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC RC Bot allows RC injection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19879  +comment (10tstarling)
[15:06:30] <CIA-70>	03nikerabbit * r53644 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Groups.php MessageCollection.php groups/FreeCol/FreeCol.yml): * Bugfixes
[15:12:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) IRC RC Bot allows RC injection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19879  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[15:13:50] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) IRC RC Bot allows RC injection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19879  +comment (10tstarling)
[15:27:31] <CIA-70>	03nikerabbit * r53645 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (groups/FreeCol/README scripts/autoexport.php): 
[15:27:31] <CIA-70>	* README for FreeCol
[15:27:31] <CIA-70>	* Coding style fix in autoexport
[15:44:21] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53647 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMaps/ (19 files in 4 dirs): Version 0.1 of Semantic Maps, by Jeroen DeDauw et al.
[15:48:20] <CIA-70>	03j * r53648 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggPlayer.js: Safari 4.0.2 no longer crashes if <video controls> is dynamicaly injected into the dom, detect safari version and include controls for newer version of webkit.
[15:56:47] <duo>	anyone available to help with an install issue? 
[16:37:27] <CIA-70>	03nikerabbit * r53649 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (FFS.php Groups.php MessageCollection.php): 
[16:37:27] <CIA-70>	Bugfixes:
[16:37:27] <CIA-70>	* Don't bulk if group doesn't contain optional or ignored messages
[16:37:27] <CIA-70>	* Non-existing files is not an exceptional case
[16:37:27] <CIA-70>	* Return false if there is nothing to read
[16:38:27] <URIhelpdesk>	Good day everyone. Quick question, can't seem to figure this one out. On our mediawiki page that we maintain here for the university our "All Articles List" link does not list all the articles like it should. Rather it  lists two links that you can click that divides all the articles alphabetically into two seperate places.
[16:38:39] <URIhelpdesk>	how do i get it to simply show all the articles instead of divvying it up?
[16:41:16] <CIA-70>	03avar * r53650 10/trunk/tools/osm-tools/cgi-bin/export: Close off potential XSS exploit by not throwing GET data back at the user unescaped
[16:41:18] <Nikerabbit>	URIhelpdesk: delete some articles so that they all fit one page
[16:41:42] <URIhelpdesk>	lol...is that really the solution?
[16:41:54] <URIhelpdesk>	theres no way to just simply display all articles.....
[16:43:19] <Nikerabbit>	edit includes/specials/SpecialAllpages.php line 12
[16:50:40] <URIhelpdesk>	Nikerabbit: what exactly am I looking for in specialpages.php
[16:53:35] <Nikerabbit>	     12         protected $maxPerPage = 345;
[16:56:52] <URIhelpdesk>	nikerabbit: thank you very much, that did the trick
[17:01:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Russian language pages freeze up - inaccessible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19880 critical; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (tinatalia)
[17:06:50] <CIA-70>	03avar * r53651 10/trunk/tools/osm-tools/osm2pgsql-style/create-renderd-conf.pl: A script to emit a /etc/renderd.conf
[17:15:43] <Nikerabbit>	jiesus
[17:15:45] <Nikerabbit>	not even url
[17:15:50] <Nikerabbit>	not anything but russian and ie
[17:15:54] <k4jcw>	Curious.  After this upgrade to 1.15.1, all the files in category:pdf files (for example) are all listed still under 'I' instead of 'F' (they now are prefixed by 'File:' instead of 'Image:'
[17:17:20] <Emufarmers_>	k4jcw: purge it
[17:17:34] <CIA-70>	03avar * r53652 10/trunk/tools/osm-tools/osm2pgsql-style/create-renderd-conf.pl: renderd doesn't like ini comments
[17:17:36] <k4jcw>	How?
[17:17:42] <Emufarmers_>	!purge
[17:17:42] --mwbot--	To purge a cached page, such as when making changes to the navigation bar, add &action=purge to the end of the page url, or ?action=purge if using Simple URLs. E.g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge
[17:17:58] <Emufarmers_>	Actually, you might need to make null edits
[17:18:07] <Emufarmers_>	MediaWiki is silly sometimes :)
[17:19:04] <k4jcw>	Argh... Is there a way to do that in bulk?
[17:23:17] <Emufarmers_>	Not sure if $wgCacheEpoch helps here
[17:24:54] <k4jcw>	A null edit works.  It doesn't seem to be a cache problem, since the category page reflects the change after null editing one of the items in it.
[17:25:54] <Emufarmers_>	Yeah, I don't have a way to mass null edit offhand, sorry
[17:26:00] <Emufarmers_>	well, other than a bot, obviously
[17:28:00] <CIA-70>	03roberthl * r53653 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:28:00] <CIA-70>	Translate:
[17:28:00] <CIA-70>	* Implement new FFS system for OpenLayers.
[17:36:05] <k4jcw>	I wish I knew enough about the internals to write something to null-edit every article.
[17:36:30] <Nikerabbit>	php maintenance/refreshSomething.php ?
[17:37:05] <k4jcw>	There is a refreshLinks, but it talks about deletions.  I'm a little too paranoid to go running that willy-nilly.
[17:37:27] <Emufarmers_>	Uh, where does it say anything about deletions?
[17:37:50] <k4jcw>	    --dfn-only            : Delete links from nonexistent articles only
[17:37:51] <k4jcw>	    --batch-size <number> : The delete batch size when removing links from
[17:37:51] <k4jcw>	                            nonexistent articles (defaults to 100)
[17:38:02] <Emufarmers_>	o nose
[17:39:33] <k4jcw>	But whaddaknow, that does the trick.
[17:40:11] <k4jcw>	Now and then, I'm smart, and don't run scripts that I don't really understand what they do.  Especially when they involve the words 'delete'
[18:03:10] <hashar>	hello )
[18:12:52] <Nikerabbit>	what
[18:12:55] <Nikerabbit>	do I see hashar
[18:13:05] <hashar>	himself :)
[18:13:33] <hashar>	I wish I can chat here more often, but I have a girlfriend to take care of and a busy work : ///
[18:13:51] <hashar>	are you still working on i18n ? 
[18:14:06] <Emufarmers_>	If only you were lonely and unemployed like the lucky people in here
[18:14:20] <hashar>	:-)
[18:14:39] <Nikerabbit>	hashar: of course
[18:14:55] <Nikerabbit>	must be a demanding girl friend if you can't chat in a year
[18:15:00] *hashar 	looks at translatewiki.net
[18:16:01] <hashar>	you should use it to translate other projects as well
[18:19:02] <hashar>	Nikerabbit: do you still maintain translation statistics ?
[18:19:36] <hashar>	got them http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics ;)
[18:25:55] <Nikerabbit>	hashar: like we don't do already?
[18:27:46] <hashar>	FreeCol and Mantis !!
[18:29:06] <Nikerabbit>	hashar: you haven't checked list of projects?
[18:29:32] <hashar>	just did
[18:30:09] <Nikerabbit>	hashar: and?
[18:30:11] <Nikerabbit>	hi mdale 
[18:30:15] <mdale>	hi
[18:30:29] <Nikerabbit>	mdale: when can we start using jquery in the core?
[18:31:13] <mdale>	I use it with a fallback... to non-jquery land...
[18:31:25] <Nikerabbit>	well
[18:31:25] <mdale>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Example.jpg
[18:31:30] <mdale>	$wgEnableJS2system
[18:31:38] <mdale>	sorry did not mean to paste in that link
[18:31:43] <Nikerabbit>	either it is javascript or no javascript... am I wrong?
[18:31:45] <mdale>	so I think you can turn on that variable
[18:31:51] <mdale>	and then start using jquery in the core
[18:32:22] <mdale>	I think we have to rewrite things mostly from scratch.. there is a js2 folder in the root folder you can put your jquery rewrites in there. 
[18:32:46] <roadfish>	is there a HTML attribute RENAME so that <a href="http://...abc" RENAME="xyz"> will save to xyz instead of abc?
[18:32:49] <Nikerabbit>	well, someone else can do it
[18:33:04] <shortcircuit>	Is there an established mechanism to log the requests going to api.php?  Every now and then, it looks like someone is making a query that takes long enough that fcgid times out, leading to an HTTP 500 error.  I'd like to know what queries are resulting in that much resource consumption.
[18:33:18] <Nikerabbit>	roadfish: read api documentation
[18:33:42] <Nikerabbit>	shortcircuit: server logs?
[18:33:58] <Nikerabbit>	mysql can also log long queries
[18:35:35] <Nikerabbit>	hashar: uga
[18:35:53] <Nikerabbit>	mdale: doesn't the old stuff work without rewrite?
[18:36:26] <mdale>	sure
[18:36:46] <shortcircuit>	Nikerabbit: the api.php requests are coming in as HTTP POST, which doesn't show arguments or details in the access logs.
[18:37:11] <hashar>	Nikerabbit: it is great to see that your work is being used elsewhere. That is even more rewarding.
[18:37:23] <shortcircuit>	Logging the MySQL queries would help if I understood exactly what would lead to those queries being called.
[18:37:26] <Nikerabbit>	hashar: the truth is... we lack manpower
[18:37:28] <mdale>	but when you turn on $wgEnableJS2system we start replacing old stuff with jquery stuff
[18:37:43] <mdale>	(if no replacement exists then we use the old js code)
[18:37:45] <hashar>	Nikerabbit: do you mean translators ? 
[18:38:16] <Nikerabbit>	hashar: no, staff (upkeep, marketing, contacts, etc.) and programmers
[18:38:45] <Nikerabbit>	(there is never enough translators)
[18:39:11] <Nikerabbit>	mdale: what prevents it being on by default?
[18:39:21] <mdale>	just testing... 
[18:43:40] <OverlordQ>	to specify a default template param it's {{{1|Beans}}} right?
[18:43:55] <Nikerabbit>	I guess so
[18:44:28] <ialex>	yes
[19:02:10] <wikibugs>	03(VERIFIED) IRC RC Bot allows RC injection - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19879  +comment (10gribeco)
[19:02:41] <Nikerabbit>	ohai brion kthx
[19:06:55] <Danny_B>	brion-oscon: should the tracking bugs be asigned as well?
[19:07:08] <shortcircuit>	RC injection?
[19:07:21] <shortcircuit>	Shouldn't such a bot just listen in on MediaWiki's UDP output?
[19:07:43] <brion-oscon>	Danny_B: not quite sure what to do with them :D
[19:07:56] <Danny_B>	i have an idea
[19:08:39] <Nikerabbit>	what
[19:08:43] <Nikerabbit>	do I see Danny_B
[19:09:24] <Danny_B>	Nikerabbit: yes you do... :-) need any help?
[19:09:37] <Nikerabbit>	Danny_B: always
[19:09:45] <Danny_B>	as usual... ;-)
[19:23:49] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r53654 10/trunk/extensions/ (269 files in 53 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[19:27:32] <CIA-70>	03purodha * r53655 10/trunk/extensions/MostRevisors/MostRevisors.i18n.php: comment suggesting PLURAL added.
[19:28:03] <CIA-70>	03alexsh * r53656 10/USERINFO/ (collinj gerardm leonsp rarohde rfong roberthl shizhao): eol-style
[19:32:16] <Fjalar>	hey
[19:32:52] <Fjalar>	I have a question, hopefully this is the right irc for this
[19:33:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changing the text when a wiki does not exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11125  +comment (10cmckenna)
[19:33:44] <Fjalar>	I am using an extension for multiple languages in one wiki so that I don't have to have a wikifamily for different language versions for articles
[19:34:05] <Fjalar>	conveniently put them in a nav menu on the left right under the navigation panel
[19:34:12] <Fjalar>	it looks like on wikipedia now
[19:34:26] <Fjalar>	where you have the languages in their native forms on the left to pick from
[19:34:44] <Fjalar>	but I have to define these in the php, of course
[19:34:49] <Fjalar>	and when I input something like
[19:34:53] <Fjalar>	français
[19:35:12] <Fjalar>	it comes out on the wiki as franQUESTIONMARKais
[19:36:00] <Fjalar>	now, I have found a workaround, of course: français will make it appear as français, as it should be
[19:36:24] <CIA-70>	03dale * r53657 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: javascript message mappings have moved to /js2/mwEmbed/languages (so mwEmbed is more self contained)
[19:36:24] <Fjalar>	but I don't have these weird ansi combinations for most other special characters like á, ŝ, ß etc.
[19:36:42] <Fjalar>	anyone here who could help?
[19:42:15] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r53658 10/trunk/phase3/includes/upload/ (UploadBase.php UploadFromUrl.php): 
[19:42:15] <CIA-70>	* no need to pass "$asyncdownload = false", this is not python :)
[19:42:15] <CIA-70>	* added new line at the end of wfDebug() call
[19:42:15] <CIA-70>	* change ereg(i) to preg_match, the former is deprecated since PHP 5.3
[19:49:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Database update for l10n_cache fails on non-EN installs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19447  (10kwi)
[19:52:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support local names in our PostGIS schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19668  (10avarab)
[19:54:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add CJK font support to our mapnik stylesheets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19881 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[19:57:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (xenowiki)
[20:09:36] <CIA-70>	03mrzman * r53659 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): (bug 16877) When moving a page over a redirect, delete the creation entry for the redirect from the recentchanges table
[20:10:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Moving a page over a redirect should remove entries from the RC table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16877  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[20:10:09] <MrZ-man>	Annemarie: ^
[20:10:24] <Annemarie>	:O
[20:10:26] <Annemarie>	<3
[20:12:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload-by-url fails with JS2 enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19754  +comment (10dale)
[20:13:56] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: that's readability
[20:14:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Save statically generated maps on the server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19654  (10avarab)
[20:23:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Errors dumping into PostgreSQL database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19883 normal; Normal; mwdumper: general; (wikipedia)
[20:24:31] <cregu>	Hi! I am using MediaWiki with an SQLite database. When using search I do have to enter the complete pagename in order to get an hit. Is this a drawback using SQLite?
[20:25:21] <rainman-sr>	you probably need to switch to mysql or postgres to actually have search
[20:26:07] <cregu>	rainman-sr: Even for searching for Page Titles? I could live without full-text-search...
[20:26:47] <rainman-sr>	yeah for any kind of search
[20:27:58] <cregu>	rainman-sr: d'oh :) With 500MHz and 256MB RAM this could be a bit of a problem :(
[20:29:49] <Nikerabbit>	hey
[20:30:02] <Nikerabbit>	that's more than 334 MHz and 128M of RAM
[20:30:11] <CIA-70>	03avar * r53660 10/trunk/tools/osm-tools/osm2pgsql-style/create-mapnik-stylesheets.pl: OSM uses osm-template-fontset.xml, not osm-template.xml. The former depends on ttf-unifont but has all sort of i18n-supporting goodies, like CJK support
[20:31:24] <cregu>	Nikerabbit: That's right :-p I played around with the my.cnf but did not get to a reasonable perfomance. Especially logging in needs more than 60 seconds. Do you have any hints on that?
[20:32:43] <Emufarmers_>	Well, there're Lucene and Sphinx; don't know how small you can make them
[20:33:09] <Nikerabbit>	java not small
[20:33:28] <cregu>	Emufarmers_: hu? :D Lucene? Sphinx?
[20:33:51] <Emufarmers_>	cregu: dedicated fulltext search engines
[20:34:11] <OverlordQ>	postgres's fulltext isn't bad :D
[20:34:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  15enhancement->normal; normal->high (10xenowiki)
[20:35:27] <Emufarmers_>	Bug 19882 seems to WFM; am I missing something?
[20:35:27] <Duesentrieb>	has leafnode been around lately?
[20:35:58] <cregu>	OverlordQ: Would you consider Postgres to run faster on a small system than MySQL?
[20:36:41] <OverlordQ>	*shrug* I use it
[20:38:04] <cregu>	Emufarmers_:  Will lucene or sphinx work with SQLite at all?
[20:39:12] <Emufarmers_>	cregu: rainman-sr is the guy to talk to about that, but they work with XML dumps, so probably.  Takes some effort to set up, though, and in the end I'm not sure it'd be lighter than just switching to MySQL (or PG)
[20:39:57] <cregu>	Emufarmers_: alright, thank you.
[20:40:19] <domas>	PG IS ALWAYS FASTER
[20:40:25] <domas>	AND SQLITE IS ALWAYS MUCH FASTER EVEN MORE
[20:41:03] <OverlordQ>	PG tends to not do stupd things to your data by default compared to MySQL
[20:41:37] <domas>	depends on default!
[20:41:38] <domas>	:))))
[20:41:47] <GreenReaper>	Not a problem for most wikis, which are stupid to begin with.
[20:42:16] <OverlordQ>	MySQL tends to go "Hey, that's invalid input, but I guess you mean this instead" and blindly insert crap instead of throwing a "Hey, you're a moron" error
[20:42:35] <domas>	well, not with default windows install ;-D
[20:42:48] <cregu>	Actually I am just not confident with the time my (small) server needs for loading the log-in. What is involved in that? Is this activity that CPU intensive?
[20:42:57] <OverlordQ>	newer version yes, but it did that for a *long* time
[20:43:08] <domas>	that 'newer version' was released when, 4 years ago?
[20:43:17] <cregu>	If I could fix that I would stick to SQLite
[20:43:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add CJK font support to our mapnik stylesheets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19881  (10avarab)
[20:43:50] <OverlordQ>	no, I know the TS does it
[20:44:11] <cregu>	Is it somehow possible to load the wiki completly into the RAM?
[20:46:19] <ialex|ghost>	cregu: put it into a RAMDisk?
[20:46:23] <ialex|ghost>	argh
[20:46:42] <OverlordQ>	http://oq.pastebin.com/m6dba72a2 while yes it does say 4 warnings, it still inserts crap.
[20:48:27] <cregu>	ialex: hmmm. Didn't think about that yet... I just thought: "Hey after a page was load once, it load much faster the second time". So if I could cache the complete wiki in advance everything would be faster... maybe :)
[20:49:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Gadget Definition style in user prefs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19627  (10subfader)
[20:50:08] <cregu>	OverlordQ: I guess this behaviour is configurable in MySQL. 
[20:55:25] <Emufarmers_>	cregu: APC/eAccelerator might help
[20:55:59] <Emufarmers_>	or even memcached too, I suppose, though on a machine your size it might not be worth it
[20:56:23] <GreenReaper>	If you have one machine, I feel you really only need APC. You can put data in it just as you can with memcached.
[20:56:45] <GreenReaper>	and APC can be faster because it's internal to the process as opposed to having to go out via a socket..
[20:56:53] <GreenReaper>	(YMMV)
[20:58:34] <cregu>	Emufarmers_: The wiki is very small (just for personal use) - could memcache make more sense then?
[20:59:37] <Emufarmers_>	No, APC or eAccelerator is probably more important
[21:00:03] <cregu>	GreenReaper: I am running APC on that machine already.
[21:00:21] <Emufarmers_>	cregu: have you configured MediaWiki to use it, though?
[21:00:42] <cregu>	Emufarmers_: I think so, let me double-check that
[21:03:52] <infinisoft>	ExtensionDistributor is still borked? >_>
[21:03:53] <error404notfound>	i have http://pastebin.com/m4b16a1fc in my LocalSettings.php, when a user tries to reset password, the page becomes blank after submission and mail.log shows no activity....
[21:04:08] <cregu>	Emufarmers_: The following line is in LocalSettings.php: $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_ACCEL;
[21:04:21] <cregu>	Emufarmers_: So I suppose it is enabled...
[21:04:45] <cregu>	GreenReaper: Could I tweak APC to cache the whole wiki?
[21:05:47] <cregu>	OverlordQ: Seems like my guess was wrong. At least Google doesn't show me anything on how i could change the MySQL behaviour when inserting values which are out of bounds...
[21:06:26] <Emufarmers_>	I don't see it making much difference: logging in is going to require database writes
[21:07:15] <error404notfound>	anyone?
[21:07:42] <Emufarmers_>	If you're willing to give MySQL a try, you can probably tune it way downward if you're only ever going to have one user on it at a time
[21:08:08] <Emufarmers_>	error404notfound: what does PHP's error log say?
[21:08:16] <Emufarmers_>	Or at least Apache's error log
[21:08:32] <cregu>	Emufarmers_: I spent a lot of time with that already... SQLite is still much faster :/
[21:09:01] <cregu>	So it seems like the Hardware is the problem... Thanks to everybody who helped me!
[21:10:22] <error404notfound>	Emufarmers_, http://pastebin.com/m76cc6fde
[21:12:08] <Emufarmers_>	error404notfound: sounds like you don't have whichever module is required for mail (or maybe for SMTP in particular)
[21:12:41] <Emufarmers_>	PEAR's Mail package, it seems
[21:12:49] <ialex>	Mail.php is part of PEAR, not MediaWiki
[21:12:55] <error404notfound>	hmmm... 
[21:21:00] <Grimstone>	hey, i went to download cite from mediawiki.org, and i got a message stating the flle was un-available
[21:21:11] <Grimstone>	any ideas ? or someone i should e-mail ?
[21:22:19] <Emufarmers_>	Grimstone: what version of MediaWiki are you running?
[21:23:13] <Grimstone>	 1.15.1
[21:23:19] <Emufarmers_>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_15/extensions/Cite/
[21:23:49] <Emufarmers_>	You should only need the first three files
[21:24:27] <Grimstone>	just the cite.php / citebody.php / Cite.i18n.php ?
[21:24:37] <Emufarmers_>	Right
[21:24:44] <Grimstone>	k
[21:24:45] <Grimstone>	thanks
[21:25:35] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[21:27:09] <Emufarmers_>	ugga O:
[21:28:23] <cregu>	ialex: Do you have any hints on how to run mediawiki in a ramdisk?
[21:29:01] <domas>	mediawiki in a ramdisk is great concept
[21:29:07] <domas>	you can turn off the power when you're sick of it
[21:29:09] <domas>	\o/
[21:29:42] <domas>	cregu: by now you've read this: http://mituzas.lt/2007/01/26/mediawiki-performance-tuning/ right?
[21:30:07] <cregu>	domas: :D well... what remains when you turn on power again depends on how often you are synched the RAMDisk to your Harddisk ;)
[21:30:36] <domas>	cregu: thats the whole concept of ramdisk - you don't sync it
[21:30:46] <domas>	on the other hand
[21:30:56] <domas>	most of systems out there operate in-memory mostly
[21:31:18] <cregu>	domas: Yes, I did all of the steps described there...
[21:31:38] <domas>	good!
[21:32:48] <cregu>	domas: I have seen a "synching RAMDisk concept" on firewall distributions which run on a Compact Flash for example.
[21:33:01] <domas>	cregu: they do it because of other reasons
[21:33:10] <cregu>	domas: But I admit this is kind of abuse...
[21:33:10] <domas>	write leveling mostly
[21:33:26] <domas>	you don't want to treat cheap flash as regular block device
[21:33:28] <cregu>	domas: yes it should prolong the life of your CF card there ;)
[22:17:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add namespace alias on de.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19884 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (enomil)
[22:25:57] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r53661 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: Remove trailing spaces in messages.
[22:31:24] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: i think flushing the groupstats cache entry will hang the wiki...
[22:31:33] <siebrand>	ow, wls.
[22:36:21] <pvtpete>	hi
[22:39:04] <pvtpete>	anyone hot on mediawiki related queries here ?
[22:39:37] <Nikerabbit>	hot and horny
[22:40:03] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) SUL not always checked on account creation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19869  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:40:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) AntiSpoof should check against CentralAuth database - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15545  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:43:01] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Add configuration option to mask file extensions for image description pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19874  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:43:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image extension should not be part of the name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4421  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:43:06] <pvtpete>	I want to know how I can run a query for featured articles for example on a portal page to spool through subportals for featured content and draw a list
[22:43:29] <pvtpete>	and ive also got this buggering image that wont fit where its supposed to
[22:43:37] <pvtpete>	http://www.karikuy.org/perupedia/index.php?title=Graffiti_Peru/Featured
[22:46:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Exif data to generated static maps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19608  (10hartman)
[22:51:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885 major; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (gtisza)
[22:52:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Autoreview right not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19875  (10gtisza)
[22:55:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add MultiBoilerplate.page.php component - list boilerplates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19433  +comment (10alfred.maghi)
[23:05:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve SpecialUserStats_body.php - namespace selector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19621  (10alfred.maghi)
[23:11:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve SpecialUserStats.php - namespace selector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19621  summary (10alfred.maghi)
[23:17:03] <RichardJ87>	anyone used this extension successfully - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewsBulletins
[23:17:55] <RichardJ87>	It's been a bit buggy for me - doesn't update instantly and sometimes causes an internal server error page to come up
[23:18:37] <RichardJ87>	Probably because it's in beta release status
[23:18:45] <RichardJ87>	If anyone could recommend another extension or method of achieving bulletin board like functionality that is stable it'd be much appreciated :)
[23:21:16] <BBishop>	any way I could make available some pages only to users in a specific group ? and the rest of the pages be free for all ?
[23:23:28] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r53662 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (18 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-22 23:12 UTC)
[23:23:37] <BBishop>	!protect
[23:23:37] --mwbot--	You can protect pages to prevent them from being edited by certain user groups. When a page is deleted its' protection is retained. Also you can protect nonexistant pages since 1.12. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Administrators#Protections>
[23:26:16] *Splarka 	pings mdale
[23:26:48] <thedj>	hahah. a friend of mine just had a baby. 
[23:26:49] <thedj>	http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2152707&id=690479474&ref=nf
[23:28:25] <OverlordQ>	permission fail
[23:28:52] <thedj>	oh, then it's friends of friends only i guess...
[23:29:18] <thedj>	anyways. baby in pyjamas with "i'm still in beta"
[23:29:27] <OverlordQ>	lol
[23:34:36] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r53663 10/trunk/extensions/ (182 files in 148 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-07-22 23:12 UTC)
[23:34:37] <hapablap>	Hello
[23:35:15] <hapablap>	anybody has a clue about this error after upgrading from 1.14 to 1.15? "Call to a member function matchStartToEnd() on a non-object in (...)/includes/parser/Parser.php on line 2741"
[23:37:41] <OverlordQ>	try disabling extensions?
[23:37:45] <Emufarmers>	thedj: give a direct link to the image :D
[23:39:01] <hapablap>	yes OverlordQ, same result
[23:41:35] <hapablap>	I read it could be a problem of caching, but I have all caches disabled
[23:44:01] <BBishop>	I still find weird that there's no way pages can't be protected to only be shown to different groups .. or a per-page protection (viewing/editing) ..
[23:44:09] <BBishop>	by default I mean
[23:44:17] <hapablap>	Searching in Google for this error gets me several wikis that had this same exact error but now they have not...
[23:44:35] <Splarka>	!cms | BBishop
[23:44:35] --mwbot--	BBishop: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[23:44:45] <OverlordQ>	BBishop: becaues that's more of a cms . . . or what Splarka said
[23:45:03] <Splarka>	I still find it weird that people /expect/ mediawiki to do this
[23:45:14] <Splarka>	"oh, nice UI, it must DO WHAT I WANT! Arr!"
[23:46:24] <BBishop>	I like wiki's easy interface
[23:46:38] <BBishop>	I simply like it's design and robustness and speed .. and everything else
[23:46:49] <BBishop>	I just don't like the part I said earlyer ! :D
[23:47:03] <Emufarmers>	Aren't most of the complaints we get about its interface, design, robustness, and speed?
[23:47:19] <GreenReaper>	No, that's most of the bugs that get filed.
[23:47:21] <OverlordQ>	"WRaa! I want WYSIWYG!"
[23:47:24] <GreenReaper>	Different things. :-)
[23:47:43] <GreenReaper>	I wouldn't mind WYSIWYG if it worked perfectly.
[23:47:51] <OverlordQ>	"WRA! There's 2 extra bytes on this page!"
[23:48:01] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%09!cms
[23:48:04] <MorbusIff>	is there any way, with DPL or something core, that I can get a list of subpages of the current page?
[23:48:07] <GreenReaper>	I wouldn't *use* it. :-)
[23:48:13] <OverlordQ>	Special:PrefixIndex
[23:48:28] <Simetrical>	Good WYSIWYG is nice.  You can just copy and paste HTML and have it magically look correct.
[23:48:53] <Simetrical>	More readable, too.
[23:49:10] <Splarka>	{{Special:Prefixindex/{{FULLPAGENAME}}/}}
[23:49:26] <MorbusIff>	oooh. 
[23:49:33] <Splarka>	limited in scope inline, but usable
[23:50:06] <MorbusIff>	there's some Talk: on doing it in DPL too.
[23:50:25] <MorbusIff>	what would be supa supa perfect would be a sort based on a template within the page, but the PrefixIndex looks like it'd be good enough for the first version. thanks!
[23:51:12] <MorbusIff>	Splarka: how would that prefixindex sort by default?
[23:51:26] <MorbusIff>	i only have one or two current examples; nothing clear enough to make a logical determination.
[23:51:32] <Splarka>	alphabetically
[23:51:37] <Splarka>	in 3 columns
[23:51:47] <MorbusIff>	hrm. that's perfect actually, cos all my subs are YYYY-MM-DD
[23:51:57] <MorbusIff>	looks like i won't have to DPL at all.
[23:52:01] <Splarka>	but you get a limit, 345 I think
[23:52:13] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka#Sub_pages
[23:53:16] <MorbusIff>	thatd be 345 weeks, in this case, so i think that's acceptable
[23:53:17] <MorbusIff>	;)
[23:53:33] <MorbusIff>	this is great, thanks Splarka
[23:54:08] <Splarka>	rar
[23:54:14] <OverlordQ>	>_>
[23:54:44] *Splarka 	DPLs OverlordQ
[23:55:05] <OverlordQ>	hurm, maybe I'll go cleanup my user subpages now