[00:15:35] <hapablap>	Just in case somebody is interested... I think I found the problem of the error about matchStartToEnd()
[00:16:04] <hapablap>	I updated MW applying the patch, and I don't know how, some files got corrupted
[00:16:17] <hapablap>	So some code is missing, some duplicated... a total mess
[00:17:34] <OverlordQ>	which file did you use?
[00:21:05] <hapablap>	OverlordQ, this one: http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.15/mediawiki-1.15.0rc1.tar.gz
[00:21:15] <hapablap>	(I was upgrading to the rc first)
[00:21:51] <hapablap>	But I think it was TortoiseMerge's fault, next time I'll use simply 'patch' :)
[00:23:05] <hapablap>	Anyway, it's working great now :)
[00:25:04] <OverlordQ>	so you installed rc1 first then ran the patch?
[00:25:35] <hapablap>	no, I had 1.14.0, and ran the patch to 1.15.0rc1
[00:25:55] <hapablap>	I have little modifications here and there and had to use the patch instead replacing all the files
[00:26:07] <hapablap>	*instead of
[00:26:12] <OverlordQ>	yea, that's not that file.
[00:26:27] <Ryan_Lane>	I'm having kind of a strange issue... I have my wiki behind an OpenSSO web agent, and my wiki text isn't being parsed correctly anymore...
[00:26:27] <OverlordQ>	http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.15/mediawiki-1.15.0rc1.patch.gz
[00:27:31] <hapablap>	isn't the same I said before?
[00:27:43] <OverlordQ>	no, you l inked to the full version
[00:27:44] <Ryan_Lane>	stuff like == test ==<line break>== test 2 == is turning into == test ==== test2 ==
[00:27:48] <^demon>	Hey all.
[00:27:58] <hapablap>	oh, sorry, I pasted the wrong link
[00:28:10] <hapablap>	but indeed I got the right patch, thanks :)
[00:28:31] <hapablap>	I shouldn't do these things at 2.30am..
[00:29:22] <Ryan_Lane>	If I edit and save a page, it looks like it strips end of line characters, but only after equal signs. Any idea what could cause this kind of issue? encoding problems?
[00:29:28] <flyingparchment>	why would you upgrade to 1.5.0rc1 today?
[00:30:05] <hapablap>	(i assume you mean 1.15.0rc1) so I can upgrade to 1.15.0 and then to 1.15.1
[00:30:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use of undefined constant - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19877  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:30:38] <flyingparchment>	why don't you just upgrade to 1.15.1?
[00:31:04] <OverlordQ>	local edits
[00:31:16] <hapablap>	exactly
[00:31:52] <CIA-70>	03demon * r53664 10/trunk/phase3/ (10 files in 5 dirs): 
[00:31:52] <CIA-70>	* (bug 14201) Set $wgDBadminuser/$wgDBadminpassword during setup
[00:31:52] <CIA-70>	* (bug 18768) Remove AdminSettings requirements. Maintenance environment will still load it if it exists, but it's not required for anything
[00:32:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create AdminSettings.php during wiki installation, in the same way as LocalSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14201  (10innocentkiller)
[00:32:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Remove AdminSettings.php from MediaWiki core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18768  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:32:13] <Simetrical>	How would a progressive upgrade interact with local edits any worse than a direct upgrade?
[00:32:41] <hapablap>	if I use the patches I can see if there is a conflict with my edits
[00:32:55] <hapablap>	if I just replace the files I lose my edits
[00:33:11] <hapablap>	this way I just had to edit manually 4 or 5 files
[00:33:31] <hapablap>	well, if everything hadn't went horribly wrong :))
[00:34:44] <RichardJ87>	What would be the best way to setup so that you transclude only the first 5 points/lines from a page with a numbered bullet list, but can go to that page to see the full list?
[00:35:07] <Emufarmers>	You could just download the new files, diff them, replace the old files with them, and then apply the diff as a patch?
[00:36:14] <hapablap>	oh, that's a good idea
[00:36:59] <Emufarmers>	Well, let me know if it actually works; we could suggest it as an alternative to manual patching
[00:37:08] <Emufarmers>	I thought Tim had stopped including the patches for a while, actually...
[00:37:21] <hapablap>	anyway, it'll have to wait to 1.15.2 or something :))
[00:40:57] <Simetrical>	Ah, I see, you're applying the patches instead of just uploading the files.
[00:41:10] <Simetrical>	You could also download just your current version and the latest and create the patch files manually.
[00:41:21] <Simetrical>	But really, a version control system is essential if you want to maintain local changes.
[00:41:30] <hapablap>	but i'm lazy :(
[00:42:22] <Simetrical>	Using git or something would simplify this greatly.  Just do a git svn checkout of the latest revision, and when a release happens, pull the latest tag and rebase to it.
[00:42:41] <Emufarmers>	What's the holdup on git?
[00:42:41] <Simetrical>	(you'd want to avoid checking out the history, though, possibly, since git svn is really really slow)
[00:42:46] <Simetrical>	Emufarmers, in what sense?
[00:43:03] <Simetrical>	Switching to it?
[00:43:05] <Emufarmers>	Well, everybody is all "omg git rules," so why haven't we switched yet?
[00:43:16] <Simetrical>	Brion and Tim have not yet been converted from the Dark Side of centralized version systems, as far as I can tell.
[00:43:22] <roberthl>	Also, time.
[00:43:43] <OverlordQ>	you'd have to convert the repo which would take a while
[00:43:53] <Simetrical>	Shouldn't be a problem, we did it for CVS -> SVN.
[00:44:01] <OverlordQ>	cleanup all the things that get munged in it, etc
[00:45:45] <Simetrical>	Like what?
[00:46:04] <OverlordQ>	*shrug*
[00:46:06] <Simetrical>	It would be nice if we converted people's commit names to the standard git format.
[00:46:20] <Simetrical>	When Mozilla switched to hg they apparently just chucked out the old repo entirely.
[00:46:25] <Simetrical>	But that's kind of obnoxious.
[00:46:49] <roberthl>	We already have a lot of the information anyway.
[00:49:51] <OverlordQ>	you'd still need some sort of public repo to push changes too anyways
[00:50:10] <Simetrical>	First of all, not necessarily.  We could switch to a pull-only system like the Linux kernel.
[00:50:37] <Simetrical>	Second of all, so?  That has very little to do with it.
[00:50:57] <Ryan_Lane>	Can you pull from git using subversion without any extra tools installed on the client?
[00:51:26] <Ryan_Lane>	I'd be fairly locked out at work if not
[00:52:00] <Ryan_Lane>	can it be used like subversion via a web server?
[00:53:32] <OverlordQ>	how does pull-only work?
[00:55:20] <Simetrical>	Ryan_Lane, I'm not aware of any git-to-Subversion tools.  You can't install any software at work?
[00:55:37] <Ryan_Lane>	yes/no
[00:56:09] <Ryan_Lane>	I work for the government. it is a massive CF to get most things installed (and I have root)
[00:56:38] <Ryan_Lane>	Also, depending on the ports it uses, it could be a non-starter
[00:56:44] <Simetrical>	OverlordQ, everyone has a personal repository that they publish.  One repository may be a de facto official repository that most people pull from (e.g., Linus' tree in Linux's case).  In that case, the owner of the official tree will just pull from anyone he trusts.
[00:57:02] <Simetrical>	Ryan_Lane, wow.  That's pretty crazy.
[00:57:08] <Ryan_Lane>	svn uses http/https/ssh; those are normally allowed through most corporate firewalls
[00:57:22] <Simetrical>	You can set up git to use HTTP if you want, but it's considerably less efficient.
[00:57:41] <Simetrical>	You can also set up SVN to use svn:, and that's probably more efficient, but we don't.  :P
[00:57:59] <Simetrical>	(well, committers use svn+ssh)
[00:58:07] <OverlordQ>	yes but then how do patches get back to the 'main' repo, mailing patches?
[00:58:13] <Ryan_Lane>	I'm really making it sound worse than it is. The real issue is that it doesn't come with RHEL, so I'd have to do paperwork, and wait a little while (and I have paperwork and waiting)
[00:58:39] <Ryan_Lane>	err hate
[00:58:51] <Simetrical>	OverlordQ, you get someone reasonably well-known to include the patch in their tree, who has people closer to the "official" guy pulling from them.  Then it percolates up.
[00:59:17] <OverlordQ>	that just seems like a cluster though especially with mediawiki :)
[00:59:27] <Simetrical>	It's kind of cool because there's no formal distinction between people with and without commit access.
[00:59:35] <Simetrical>	On any level.
[00:59:54] <Simetrical>	The author and the committer can be totally separate people, which is nice.
[01:00:17] <Simetrical>	"That patch by Bob Smith that Simetrical committed broke the tree" instead of "Simetrical broke the tree".
[01:00:57] <Simetrical>	However, it requires a central person to dependably be around to pull stuff, and increases the chance of merge conflicts.
[01:00:59] <OverlordQ>	well I'm sure there'd be brion/tim at the top then you get the fun task of figuring out whose below then then so on and so forth
[01:01:01] <Emufarmers>	So there would be a central brion tree, and his tree would automatically pull in changes from "committers"?
[01:01:13] <Simetrical>	No, *not* automatically.  That's the point.
[01:01:36] <Simetrical>	People would ask him to pull, or he'd do so periodically by hand.  But only after briefly reviewing the patches.
[01:01:36] <^demon>	Simetrical: We'd never get things to trunk. Brion's way too busy to have to accept all those merges.
[01:01:42] <Emufarmers>	Is that really preferable to just reviewing revs before having them go live?
[01:01:47] <^demon>	Although, it's kinda a forced code review, which is good.
[01:01:53] <Simetrical>	^demon, I never said it would be brion.
[01:02:03] <^demon>	Tim, whoever.
[01:02:15] <Simetrical>	It's no harder than reviewing the patches.
[01:02:25] <Simetrical>	Except instead of reverting, you just don't pull the ones you have problems with.
[01:02:44] *^demon 	hasn't converted to the dark side either
[01:02:49] <OverlordQ>	yea but then you'd have to trickle back down the tree a reason why it didn't get accepted
[01:02:56] <Simetrical>	No, just tell the author directly.
[01:03:04] <Simetrical>	Or the one who's submitting it to you.
[01:03:32] <Simetrical>	Then when they next pull from the central tree, their patches will be rebased and they can move them off to a branch to fix them up or such.
[01:04:02] <Simetrical>	I'd say we could have a stable branch, which Brion and Tim would have the rights to pull into, and which would be contain only reviewed code.
[01:04:56] <Simetrical>	Then we'd probably have to have a development branch, which a bunch of people would have the right to push into, but with a lower bar than commit access currently has.
[01:05:06] <OverlordQ>	still be more work imo to get everything convered and everybody up to speed on then the benefit
[01:05:12] <OverlordQ>	*converted
[01:05:18] <Simetrical>	Because you've never used the system.
[01:05:22] <roberthl>	What would happen to all the non-phase3/extensions stuff?
[01:05:28] <Simetrical>	roberthl, meh, details.
[01:05:29] <roberthl>	Do Tim/Brion review absolutley everything that goes through Wikimedia svn at the moment?
[01:05:38] <Simetrical>	Put everything in its own repo.
[01:05:44] <roberthl>	That would be ideal, yes.
[01:05:48] <Simetrical>	We don't need one ginormous repo for everything Wikimedia-related, that's stupid.
[01:05:51] <roberthl>	++
[01:05:58] <OverlordQ>	Simetrical: yes i've never used it much, but I doubt anybody else has either
[01:06:04] <OverlordQ>	so everybody would have to learn
[01:06:18] <roberthl>	You'd be surprised.
[01:06:31] <Simetrical>	OverlordQ, a few devs have experience with DVCSes.  Me, werdna, avar, domas.
[01:06:31] <Ryan_Lane>	learning a new source control system isn't usually that bad
[01:06:39] <roberthl>	Learning git => svn takes about half an hour.
[01:06:52] <Simetrical>	Well, the basics.
[01:06:55] <^demon>	Simetrical: At the moment, you're eliminating a good number of windows users. msysgit sucks, and the only alternative is using cygwin.
[01:06:56] <roberthl>	sure
[01:07:02] <Ryan_Lane>	git has about a million commands though doesn't it?
[01:07:06] <Simetrical>	^demon, is that really still such a problem?
[01:07:20] <Simetrical>	Ryan_Lane, git is unreasonably complicated, yes.  It still seems to be preferred overall to Mercurial and Bazaar.
[01:07:30] <Simetrical>	Possibly because Linus Torvalds wrote it.  ;)
[01:07:34] <Ryan_Lane>	heh
[01:07:35] <^demon>	Simetrical: I commit mainly from Windows.
[01:07:43] <Simetrical>	^demon, I mean, is git support on Windows really so bad?
[01:07:58] <Simetrical>	I realize a lot of <del>heathens</del> <ins>our committers</ins> mostly use Windows.
[01:08:21] <Simetrical>	Last I checked, Windows git was significantly worse than Subversion, but it seemed passably usable.
[01:08:27] <Simetrical>	I'd hope it would have improved by now.
[01:08:48] <^demon>	Yes. Msysgit is terrible. It breaks all sort of ways when auth'ing with SSH.
[01:09:53] <Simetrical>	Hmm, really?  Most people seem to be saying it's not terrible, according to a 60-second Google.
[01:10:39] <^demon>	My experience has been wholly negative, the two times I attempted to get it working.
[01:10:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CLI setup script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10542  +comment (10robert)
[01:13:53] <Simetrical>	How long ago was that?
[01:15:44] <^demon>	A few months?
[01:23:38] <CIA-70>	03demon * r53665 10/trunk/extensions/OpenID/SpecialOpenIDServer.body.php: (bug 19457) $openid seems to be an array. Cleanup this code a bit, we don't need $openid because it's not used again, so just check its return directly.
[01:24:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) $openid seems to be an array - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19457  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[01:31:04] <^demon>	Curious, what are these install.settings file I see in some extensions? Is that some legacy thing?
[01:32:02] <Emufarmers>	^demon: example?
[01:34:00] <^demon>	There's one for CategoryTree.
[01:34:56] <^demon>	I've seen them on a few others before.
[01:35:40] <^demon>	Ah, it's from maintenance/installExtension.
[01:35:48] <^demon>	I'm pretty sure that doesn't actually work.
[01:36:42] <Emufarmers>	Yeah; I assume that's another thing effectively blocked by the need for an installer revamp? :\
[01:36:55] <^demon>	To make it make some bit of sense, yes.
[01:37:09] <Emufarmers>	Well, there are a few extension installer extensions right now, but...
[01:37:37] <Emufarmers>	I wonder how Kim's installer thing is coming along
[01:37:38] <^demon>	I think it'd be best supported in Configure.
[01:38:26] <OverlordQ>	Emufarmers: isn't it written in python?
[01:38:51] <Emufarmers>	OverlordQ: yes
[01:39:09] <^demon>	Python installer for PHP app. Wheee....
[01:42:53] <OverlordQ>	Yea, requring python to install a PHP app seems silly imo
[01:43:24] <Emufarmers>	Like anybody who would use it doesn't have Python?
[01:43:54] <OverlordQ>	I dont
[01:44:12] <Emufarmers>	:|
[01:44:30] <^demon>	I don't on this machine.
[01:45:07] <OverlordQ>	having to install something else to install a first thing probably wont fly with many PHB's
[01:45:48] <Emufarmers>	OverlordQ: depends how corporate the environment is, I guess
[01:46:29] <OverlordQ>	I worked at a small 6 person place and still had to get everything cleared even though I was the tech guy
[01:46:42] <Emufarmers>	It being separate is the bigger problem than the language barrier
[01:46:49] <Emufarmers>	I said corporateness, not size :D
[01:46:59] <OverlordQ>	:P
[01:47:10] <OverlordQ>	I'd call the pretty corporate though :P
[01:47:55] <Emufarmers>	If you're setting something up for yourself or for a client, you can use whatever you want to do it
[01:48:19] <Emufarmers>	anyway, I think Kim's script was more for having an easy way to set up environments for extension testing and stuff
[01:48:23] *^demon 	writes a ksh script to install MW
[01:48:27] <Emufarmers>	rather than actual serious wiki farming
[01:49:11] <^demon>	Sane install/upgrade procedures would make farming much easier and less ad-hoc.
[01:49:26] *GreenReaper 	is more of a wiki gardener.
[01:49:35] <Emufarmers>	When the MW guy at the place I'm interning mentioned that he was using a script he (or somebody before him) had cobbled together, I pointed him to Kim's script; dunno whether he's actually going to use it
[01:50:06] <Emufarmers>	'course, when he was trying to get CentralAuth to work, I also pointed him to shared DB tables and $wgCookieDomain :D
[01:52:27] <OverlordQ>	ug, dont remind me, still need to look at getting sharedb working 
[01:52:40] <Emufarmers>	Eh, it's easy
[01:52:52] <OverlordQ>	not if you dotn use MySQL ;)
[01:52:55] <OverlordQ>	*dont
[01:52:56] <Emufarmers>	:v
[01:53:11] <Emufarmers>	Or if you already have users with edits on multiple wikis, I suppose
[01:53:21] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) wikibits includes nonexistent stylesheet, KHTMLfixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14717  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:10:10] <CIA-70>	03dale * r53666 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (9 files in 6 dirs): 
[02:10:10] <CIA-70>	* Sequencer render updates
[02:10:10] <CIA-70>	** created class/file mvFirefoggRender.js
[02:30:54] <RichardJ87>	which Dynamic Page List extension is stable and working for media wiki version 1.13 because I keep getting internal server errors with what i've tried so far??
[02:34:17] <Reedy>	why not upgrade to 1.15.1?
[02:37:14] <dadau>	hello, having a problem with skins here
[02:37:26] <Ryan_Lane>	OverlordQ: You could use SAML or Crowd Auth, or some other form of web SSO instead of CentralAuth. Then if you add other software you are covered there too.
[02:39:29] <dadau>	I am using 'kindofblue' skin and now there is no sort ability on the results tables from an #ask query.
[02:39:55] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: what CSS class is the table using?
[02:41:49] <dadau>	Where would I find that?  It is the normal result from a query such as {{#ask: [[Category:Test plan V1]]  | mainlabel=Test Plan ID | ?Test Title = Title | ?Test plan date = Date | ?Customer | ?Spectra | ?platform }}.  I am using semantic mediaWiki BTW, dont know if this is correct forum.
[02:42:00] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: in the html source
[02:42:27] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: i'm familiar with it; #semanticmediawiki is the right channel, but there usually aren't many active people in there
[02:44:09] <dadau>	maybe - table class="smwtable" id="querytable1">
[02:45:03] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: gimme a sec, looking at my SMW site
[02:45:36] <dadau>	Thanks Ryan.  Should I post this to IRC #SMW also?
[02:45:56] <Ryan_Lane>	possibly
[02:48:07] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: is your site public?
[02:48:07] <Nihiltres>	API question: if I want to unprotect a page, and I'm using action=protect, what value should I use for null? edit=<???>
[02:48:32] <dadau>	unfortunately not
[02:48:45] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: do you have web developer toolbar installed?
[02:48:57] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: if you are using firefox that is
[02:48:59] <dadau>	I have firebug
[02:49:15] <dadau>	i can get the toolbar, is it an extension?
[02:49:23] <Ryan_Lane>	make sure extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/skins/SMW_sorttable.js is loading
[02:49:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Refactor upload code to split backend and interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14925  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:49:55] <Ryan_Lane>	yeah, it's an extension, you don't *really* need it, but it makes things easier
[02:50:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Keeping selected options following an edit conflict - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19886 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (FT2.wiki)
[02:51:12] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Mod of Uploading Interface to encourage copyright compliance - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12452  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:51:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow per-wiki customizable fields on upload form (e.g., for source) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4647  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:51:34] <Ryan_Lane>	why SMW doesn't use the built in table sorting, I'll never understand
[02:52:22] <Nihiltres>	Ryan_Lane: is the SMW table sorting in JS?
[02:52:26] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Hook to alter upload form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8867  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:52:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhancement of Special:Upload for Hook Points to add custom content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7161  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:52:41] <Ryan_Lane>	Is there another way to do table sorting?
[02:55:48] <dadau>	Ryan: Is how would I check that it is loaded using firebug?  I could get the developer extension but it is 4gb.
[02:56:07] <dadau>	(the sorttable.js)
[02:56:12] <Ryan_Lane>	4GB? huh?
[02:56:20] <Ryan_Lane>	no way its that big
[02:57:02] <Ryan_Lane>	I don't have firebug installed :)
[02:59:25] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: if yout url is http://localhost/wiki/index.php/, you need to go to http://localhost/wiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/skins/SMW_sorttable.js
[02:59:48] <Ryan_Lane>	make sure you are getting the javascript
[03:00:05] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Enhancing the editing of references on Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12538  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:00:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Greater flexibility with references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:00:19] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Dedicated textarea for <references>...</references> block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19739  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:00:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Have References text edit window on Edit pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2745  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:00:34] <Ryan_Lane>	web developer toolbar is nice because it'll let you see all the javascript loaded; which lets you see if you are getting 404's, 403's, etc
[03:03:04] <dadau>	Ryan - When I go to that ling I get the source of the js.
[03:03:36] <hippietrail>	any further information on when this dump error will go away? "Some files from download.wikimedia.org are temporarily offline while we perform some maintenance. Sorry for the inconvenience! "
[03:04:30] <dadau>	I have web dev now, will have to restart FF to get it, Would that help?
[03:05:32] <p858snake>	hippietrail: when its fixed and the dumps are recreated
[03:06:08] <p858snake>	aka within about 1-2 weeks
[03:06:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bundle anti-spam extensions in distribution packages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9034  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[03:06:50] <hippietrail>	p858snake: ah. so is it the entire dump system?
[03:07:05] <p858snake>	the raid array that powered it broke and they didn't have bakcups
[03:07:09] <p858snake>	*backups
[03:07:58] <Emufarmers>	^demon: how is that an extension request?  Aren�t bundling requests more an installer issue?
[03:08:28] <hippietrail>	thanks for the headsup p858snake 
[03:09:58] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Meh.
[03:12:54] <Emufarmers>	Ooh, Yaron�s GSoC student actually did something: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2009-July/031577.html  Jealous, Simetrical?
[03:13:37] <Simetrical>	Emufarmers, mine is doing something, it's just something I'm completely uninterested in and which is probably worthless (but exactly conforms to his GSoC proposal).
[03:14:06] <Emufarmers>	I thought you said he�d only made 9 commits and hadn�t contacted you at all?
[03:14:43] <Emufarmers>	...when did my client start using smart quotes?
[03:14:46] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: are you getting any javascript errors?
[03:15:08] <Simetrical>	Emufarmers, well, that was a while ago.
[03:15:13] <Anandawardhana>	hi :)
[03:15:15] <dadau>	Ryan - I have toolbar working and the js seems to have been loaded. Any more ideas?  My 'kindofblue; skin is in the /wiki/skins directory but the js files are in the /wiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/skins directory
[03:15:18] <Simetrical>	Now he's made . . . slightly more commits, and has exchanged a couple of e-mails.
[03:15:24] <Emufarmers>	Yay. :)
[03:15:25] <Simetrical>	But he seems to be on schedule regardless.
[03:15:27] <Emufarmers>	What�s his project?
[03:15:31] <Simetrical>	Image resizing daemon.
[03:16:00] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: that shouldn't be an issue as long as the javascript is being output by the extension
[03:16:16] <Anandawardhana>	i need to make some spelling corrections to the interface of (a localized version - Sinhala) of my wiki. where can I find those templates?
[03:16:17] <Emufarmers>	Is it something Wikimedia would use?
[03:16:34] <dadau>	How can i check for JS errors?
[03:17:01] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: tools->error console
[03:17:08] <Emufarmers>	Anandawardhana: Special:AllMessages
[03:18:26] <Anandawardhana>	Emufarmers, ah cool :) thanks!
[03:19:31] <dadau>	Ryan - Yes - errors in wikibits.js
[03:19:36] <Emufarmers>	Anandawardhana: if there�s a mistake in a translation, though, you should mention it on translatewiki.net so it can be fixed for everybody
[03:21:14] <Anandawardhana>	Emufarmers, aha i didn't know about it. sure, will do. I am making a couple of corrections.
[03:21:35] <dadau>	wgBreakFrames not defined
[03:21:50] <Splarka>	your skin is missing js header globals
[03:22:02] <Emufarmers>	Simetrical: would Wikimedia use his daemon?
[03:22:16] <Simetrical>	Emufarmers, I very much doubt it, since nobody told me what our actual requirements are.
[03:22:44] <Emufarmers>	Well, it *sounds* like it could be useful, since image servers are clearly a point of failure
[03:22:47] <p858snake>	image resizing as in the main file or the thumbnails?
[03:22:56] *Splarka 	wistfully muses that it would be nice if wikibits.js didn't rely on (would gracefully fallback from the lack of) any js header globals to define all the functions
[03:23:47] <Splarka>	and it'd be easy, a few:  if (wgBreakFrames) {   ->  if (window.wgBreakFrames && wgBreakFrames) {
[03:23:51] <MrZ-man>	Splarka: it would be equally nice if all skins were consistent and included them
[03:24:01] <p858snake>	bah ambluance and police again >.< people really need to stop trying to race up and down that mountain on their bikes
[03:24:17] <Splarka>	MrZ-man: untrue
[03:24:26] <Splarka>	because there are cases one might want wikibits.js without the skin
[03:24:28] <Splarka>	such as action=render
[03:25:31] <Splarka>	so it would be /more/ nice to have wikibits.js work without a trunk/proper/updated skin, than to try to get all skins to work right
[03:25:48] <dadau>	ok, so where do I put header globals?
[03:26:41] <Splarka>	mmm...
[03:26:52] *Splarka 	just helped Angela do this with her blog skin, should remember
[03:28:13] <Splarka>	makeGlobalVariablesScript()
[03:29:09] <Splarka>	dadau: what version of MW are you on?
[03:29:52] <dadau>	MediaWiki  	1.15.0
[03:30:08] <dadau>	Semantic MediaWiki (Version 1.4.2)
[03:31:19] <Splarka>	hmm
[03:31:37] <Splarka>	gah, they keep changing things
[03:31:49] <Splarka>	somewhere in your skin: <?php print Skin::makeGlobalVariablesScript( $this->data ); ?>
[03:31:55] <Splarka>	at least, that was the 1.15 way
[03:31:59] <Splarka>	changed in 1.16 of course
[03:32:26] <Splarka>	oh, you need that above the wikibits.js call
[03:32:27] <Ryan_Lane>	which is why I never change mediawiki skins...
[03:32:37] <Splarka>	indeed
[03:32:48] <Splarka>	Simetrical promised to fix it all with rainbows and pixie dust, someday
[03:32:53] <Ryan_Lane>	lol
[03:33:13] <Simetrical>	\o/
[03:33:22] <Simetrical>	As soon as I don't have to worry about, let's say, IE 6 or 7.
[03:33:29] *Simetrical 	sets stopwatch for ten years
[03:33:32] <Splarka>	IE5 baby!
[03:33:44] <Splarka>	hmmm
[03:33:49] <Splarka>	so you
[03:33:51] <Ryan_Lane>	IE 6 is under 10% now isnt it?
[03:34:10] <dadau>	is that in KindOfBlue.php? or KindOfBlue.deps.php?
[03:34:11] <Splarka>	'd want to make a skin template system that works with all existing skins, and has gracefull fallback for all future conditions
[03:34:26] <Splarka>	like, if an old-ass skin isn't loading makeGlobalVariablesScript, just add it anyway
[03:34:48] <Splarka>	dadu: which of those has the <head> in it?
[03:35:15] <Splarka>	Ryan: 10% of IE users, or of all browsers?
[03:36:02] <dadau>	.php
[03:36:04] <Ryan_Lane>	IE users i thought. lemme go re-read those stats
[03:36:31] <Splarka>	dadu: stick that somewhere in after <head> but before the thing loading /common/wikibits.js
[03:37:20] <Ryan_Lane>	Splarka: W3C has it at about 15%
[03:38:35] <dadau>	Ahh, THANKS sparkla, thanks Ryan
[03:38:45] <dadau>	Put that line in and the sort is back.
[03:39:37] <Ryan_Lane>	dadau: no prob. thankfully Splarka was here, I probably wouldn't have found that ;). I don't generally mess with skin stuff
[03:40:10] <Splarka>	15%... *stab
[03:40:25] <dadau>	I learnt my lesson, I probly wont do that again either :), But i learnt something today.
[03:41:33] *Splarka 	tests whats broked in wikibits without skin
[03:44:41] <Splarka>	damn, sorttables use stylepath uncheckified
[03:57:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Changing tag filter doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19887 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (mike.lifeguard)
[04:07:41] <Dragonfly6-7>	would anyone like to provide an explanatory caption for an image of deliberately bad code?
[04:10:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Categories at the time of edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19455  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[04:30:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) allow wikibits.js to load without any required globals - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19888 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (herd)
[04:30:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2114  (10herd)
[04:44:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow wikibits.js to load without any required globals - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19888  (10herd)
[04:47:52] *Splarka 	is not sure whether to +patch that as he'd rather have discussion than have MrZ-man come along and simply apply it
[05:27:19] <shashi>	I have installed MediaWiki . If i try to create a article, in the editing page, i am not seeing buttons like Line break, insert a table, etc.. . 
[05:27:48] <shashi>	Do i need to install any plug-ins to get these buttons ?
[05:29:48] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Custom_edit_buttons
[05:30:15] <Splarka>	if you mean the ones at the top, and if you have a few already, but want more non-standard ones like other wikis have
[05:31:05] <shashi>	yes, yes, you are correct. I need the custom edit buttons like how original wikipedia.org will have
[05:32:01] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[05:32:11] <Splarka>	which loads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js
[05:33:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits includes nonexistent stylesheet, KHTMLfixes.css - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14717  (10buzz)
[05:47:37] <shashi>	I am not understanding, how/where/which file i need to open to insert the code which is are specified in the given URLs to add custom edit buttons
[05:48:49] <shashi>	it said to edit or MediaWiki:Common.js , i am not understanding which file is this
[05:48:55] <Splarka>	it is no file
[05:49:23] <Splarka>	it is a page, on the wiki, in the protected interface namespace, that gets called on every page load as text/javascript in a <script> file
[05:49:38] <Splarka>	eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[06:12:37] <yangxiao>	what mediawiki extensions should be installed to create a mirror site of wikipedia?
[06:13:47] <yangxiao>	I have imported the datadump into the database, but I get "<ref name="GR1">Template:Cite web</ref> |2=<ref name="GR2">Template:Cite web</ref>" on some wiki pages.
[06:23:28] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
[06:24:28] <Splarka>	that one is Cite, but you'll also need most of the Parser Hooks
[06:25:04] <domas>	:-(
[06:25:32] <Splarka>	parser hooks are depressing for site ops
[06:25:43] *Splarka 	gives domas a candybar
[06:28:12] <shashi>	According to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Custom_edit_buttons, i have download the icon imaged. According to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js, i have edited common.js with the given code. Now i want to replace "ImageFile" http URLs with local files. What is the right syntax for it ?
[06:29:41] <Splarka>	you edited your local MediaWiki:Common.js ?
[06:30:36] <Splarka>	and you can put any URI scheme into imageFile that is accessable to the browser... relative, server-relative, protocol-relative, absolute... http(s)/file/, etc
[06:30:54] <yangxiao>	How can I add the Parser Hooks?
[06:31:46] <Splarka>	yangxiao: I mean the extensions listed under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version "Parser hooks"
[06:31:55] <Splarka>	like CategoryTree, CharInsert, Cite
[06:32:14] <Splarka>	mostly you'll need Cite and ParserFunctions
[06:32:33] <yangxiao>	Thx, Splarka
[06:33:20] <Splarka>	shashi: is this a private local install on your own machine? if not, the icon image has to be on the web somewhere... you can stick it in your /skins/common/images or anywhere really, and then put the URL to it in that imageFile parameter
[06:34:24] <shashi>	yes, i have edited  MediaWiki:Common.js.  So, lf i downloaded those icon images on the web server in a directory /tmp, then in the MediaWiki:Common.js, shall i say like this ""imageFile": "file://tmp/image.png"
[06:40:14] <Splarka>	depends on OS and browser... but yah, something like that
[06:40:41] <Splarka>	but file:// will only work for you, remember
[06:41:11] <Splarka>	if you want them web-accessable find the public URL to them and use that
[06:41:27] <shashi>	OK
[06:41:28] <Splarka>	as they are referenced externally
[07:03:27] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r53668 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 
[07:03:27] <CIA-70>	* Added command-line script for XML import. Can do message updates per bug 18975 and bug 18976, as well as initial election configuration.
[07:03:27] <CIA-70>	* Extended dump.php and the XML generation backend to allow configuration of jump wikis, dumps of message text (per bug 18976) and transfer of election configuration.
[07:11:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Method to distribute the "jump text" from SPI to the various wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18976  +comment (10tstarling)
[07:19:29] <CIA-70>	03avar * r53669 10/trunk/tools/osm-tools/cgi-bin/ (export export-config.yml): Add caching header / Etag support, patch by Kai Krueger
[07:23:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Greater flexibility with references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997  (10bill.mitchell)
[07:24:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Method to more easily update the translations at SPI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18975  (10tstarling)
[07:25:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Greater flexibility with references - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5997  (10bill.mitchell)
[07:28:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Downloading from mediawiki.org via Special:ExtensionDistributor is broken due to a SVN lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19889 blocker; Normal; Wikimedia: Subversion; (avarab)
[07:34:51] <Splarka>	avar: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19733 perchance?
[07:36:06] <OverlordQ>	if not the same error message it's likely the same problem. "ED is broken at the moment"
[07:36:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Invalid HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19890 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (liangent)
[07:37:30] <RichardJ87>	A lot of the extensions i'm trying (DPL, ArticleCreate, etc.) either don't work at all or are buggy. I'm on version 1.13.4. Would upgrading to a newer version fix a lot of these issues do you think, and if so which version?
[07:38:40] <avar>	Splarka: Those sound like seperate but closely related bugs :)
[07:38:55] <avar>	one is not being able to contact it, the other about crap being in svn once it can contact it:)
[07:39:33] <Splarka>	fine, nitpick, but you might consider linking them, or assigning them to the same person
[07:40:54] <avar>	Ah
[07:41:56] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Invalid HTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19890  +comment (10herd)
[07:41:56] <avar>	I don't really care though, the only reason I filed it is because the project manager of iPod software at apple mailed me directly because he was trying to download renameuser & failed because of that error
[07:41:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section heading anchors shouldn't begin with invalid characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9530  +comment (10herd)
[07:42:03] *Splarka 	dupes someone else instead, still glares at avar
[07:42:04] <avar>	I told him just to use the svn server directly
[07:42:28] <Splarka>	heh
[07:43:08] <Splarka>	well according to p858snake upwards of two people have complained, so I thin they know ^_^
[07:43:13] <Splarka>	^think
[07:43:26] <OverlordQ>	it's in the topic too :)
[07:44:26] <Nikerabbit>	morning Splarka 
[07:44:31] <Splarka>	rar
[07:45:14] <OverlordQ>	mix it up, moo once in a while
[07:45:19] <RichardJ87>	can you guys even see my post??
[07:45:45] <OverlordQ>	RichardJ87: try installing the versions specified for the version of Mw you're running
[07:45:52] <OverlordQ>	if that doesn't work, sure, try upgrading
[07:46:19] *Splarka 	was gonna suggest http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_13/extensions/ but those two extensions aren't even there
[07:46:20] <p858snake>	Splarka: no i said i had only SEEN two people ask about whilst I was around
[07:46:32] *Splarka 	snickers
[07:52:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow for fallback languages in i18n map rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19891 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[07:57:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Support bilingual names in our rendering (ala Google Maps) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19892 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Maps; (avarab)
[07:57:27] <avar>	mediazilla is such a bitch, I can't make up keywords
[07:59:20] <Nikerabbit>	hi avar
[07:59:51] <avar>	hi
[08:00:13] <avar>	Maybe bug 9530 should be attached to the html 5 tracking bug, I think it's more promiscuous about id=""
[08:00:39] <Nikerabbit>	avar: yeah, in finland in some parts all the names are in finnish and swedish... and what comes first (name:) depends on the majority and the second one uses name:fi or name:sv
[08:01:33] <avar>	Exciting, this'll be just like people bitching at Google maps but it'll all be funneled at me this time, yay!
[08:01:34] <Nikerabbit>	ihmo it makes sense to show the default name and the name user is requesting in, if it differs
[08:01:36] <avar>	:)
[08:02:03] <Nikerabbit>	the big cities of course have dozens of names
[08:02:19] <Nikerabbit>	or capitals should I say
[08:02:24] <Splarka>	goat borg
[08:02:34] <avar>	Oh sure, my plan goes something like this:
[08:02:39] <avar>	 1. deploy it
[08:02:59] <avar>	 2. have thousands of users from hundreds of wikis bitch about how it's rendered/how it looks/that it doesn't have their towns/whatever
[08:03:03] <avar>	 3. Tell them to patch it
[08:03:05] <avar>	 4. Get patches
[08:03:09] <avar>	 4. PROFIT
[08:03:40] <OverlordQ>	business plan failure
[08:03:44] <OverlordQ>	you have two step 4's
[08:03:45] <OverlordQ>	:P
[08:03:57] <Splarka>	4. Get patches /for/ profit
[08:04:07] <Splarka>	he was typing l33t
[08:05:15] <avar>	Raymond_: sweet
[08:05:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow for fallback languages in i18n map rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19891  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:05:50] <Raymond_>	:)
[08:09:00] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[08:09:03] <Nikerabbit>	no need to grep
[08:09:09] <Nikerabbit>	just loop trough languages with localisation cache
[08:09:23] <Nikerabbit>	through(?)
[08:10:31] <avar>	too late: egrep -r '^\$fallback\s*=' languages/messages/*php | perl -pE 's/.*?Messages(.*?)\.php:.*?=\s+.(.*?).;/\l$1 = $2/g'
[08:14:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow for fallback languages in i18n map rendering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19891  (10avarab)
[08:33:28] <ekimus>	hi, I have to print out some documentation. the stylesheet adds a "retrieved from: ...." line, is there an easy way not to have that (setting, or do I have to touch the source?)
[08:34:12] <Annemarie>	What version of MW?
[08:34:51] <ekimus>	1.15.1 with postgres
[08:35:00] <Annemarie>	[[MediaWiki:Print.css]].
[08:35:03] <Annemarie>	You need to add...
[08:36:05] <Annemarie>	div.printfooter { display: none; } 
[08:36:12] <Annemarie>	Be sure to bypass your cache.
[08:56:29] <augustl>	mediawiki lets you send messages to ips (or, edit an ips talk page) just like you can send messages to users, right?
[08:56:40] <augustl>	does mediawiki do anything to handle multiple computers behind the same IP etc?
[08:58:17] <OverlordQ>	not unless they send XFF headers
[09:00:25] <augustl>	OverlordQ: mediawiki will use XFF headers?
[09:00:26] <augustl>	neat
[09:00:52] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TrustedXFF
[09:01:15] <ialex>	yes
[09:02:09] *Splarka 	thinks http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSquidServersNoPurge might do that too
[09:02:15] <ialex>	yes
[09:02:50] *Splarka 	wonders why that isn't mentioned on [[Extension:TrustedXFF]]
[09:04:09] <Alexfill>	hi everybody, can anybody help me with a problem width the ajaxsuggestion box?
[09:05:09] <Splarka>	1. Title Key extension, 2. is_khtml not defined, 3.enable it, 4.disable it in user prefs
[09:05:18] *Splarka 	guessing
[09:05:37] <Alexfill>	my suggestionbox will show at the bottom of my page, so i think i miss a little css code block, anybody around who can help me?
[09:06:11] <Splarka>	are you using Monobook skin? is it modified?
[09:06:59] <Alexfill>	yeah, i copied the monobook skin to my own, a year ago
[09:07:21] <Alexfill>	so i think a css code block is missing in my main.css
[09:08:30] <Splarka>	might be time to re-sync it, what version of MediaWiki are you using?
[09:09:03] <Alexfill>	1.5
[09:09:16] <Alexfill>	so the best way would be to recopy the skin?
[09:09:26] <Annemarie>	1.5 or 1.15?
[09:09:54] <Alexfill>	sorry 1.15.0
[09:09:54] <Annemarie>	If you're running 1.5, you really should update.
[09:10:22] <Splarka>	and what version did you fork your skin from?
[09:12:08] <Alexfill>	puh, i dont know exactly, but i think it was 1.8.2
[09:12:34] <Splarka>	ouch
[09:12:59] <Alexfill>	;)
[09:13:14] <Splarka>	well, skim /skins/monobook/main.css for stuff like div#searchTarget
[09:15:31] <Alexfill>	ok i will try it, otherwise i recopy the skin
[09:15:37] <Alexfill>	thanks for your help!
[09:37:23] <deuerlein>	i have a big problem with my mediawiki, where can i ask for help?
[09:38:18] <str4nd>	here.
[09:38:37] <deuerlein>	Thanks ;-)
[09:38:56] <deuerlein>	tonight i had a spam attack by an bot
[09:39:15] <deuerlein>	it moved and renamed many pages
[09:39:48] <deuerlein>	is there a way to automatically reset all pages to a version bevore tonight?
[09:40:26] <deuerlein>	the bot did this with many different user-accounts
[10:12:51] <roberthl>	Is there a correct way of accessing the cdb reader/writer classes?
[10:13:09] <domas>	by using methods?
[10:13:43] <roberthl>	I mean, there is CdbWriter_DBA and CdbWriter_PHP - should I just use function_exists( 'dba_open' ); to pick which one to use, or is there a standard way?
[10:14:52] <domas>	there should be wrapper
[10:15:43] <roberthl>	hmm, the abstract class seems to have such detection
[10:15:51] <deuerlein>	no help? no Idea?
[10:18:37] <domas>	roberthl: there is Cdb.php, ye
[10:20:09] <roberthl>	This cdb stuff is great, just consolidated a bunch of code in to a couple of lines.
[10:21:11] <domas>	:-)
[10:21:34] <domas>	yup
[10:21:42] <domas>	we used to do occasional livehacked cdb use here and there
[10:21:48] <domas>	but this makes it much more available to overall codebase
[10:49:41] <CIA-70>	03roberthl * r53670 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/ (6 files): 
[10:49:41] <CIA-70>	Babel:
[10:49:41] <CIA-70>	* Consolidate language code handling with CDB.
[10:58:11] <CIA-70>	03roberthl * r53671 10/trunk/extensions/Babel/ (Babel.php BabelLanguageCodes.class.php): 
[10:58:11] <CIA-70>	Babel:
[10:58:11] <CIA-70>	* Minor update to comments.
[11:03:07] <Wiki365>	hi all
[11:03:09] <Wiki365>	anyone here?
[11:03:38] <roberthl>	yes
[11:04:33] <Wiki365>	whats the best way to mass upload files?
[11:04:56] <ialex>	maintenance/importImages.php
[11:05:02] <ialex>	from the command line
[11:05:25] <Wiki365>	excuse my ignore here
[11:05:31] <Wiki365>	ignorence
[11:05:53] <Wiki365>	do i have do that via mysql?
[11:08:33] <roberthl>	no
[11:08:42] <CIA-70>	03roberthl * r53672 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: * Add release note for r53618.
[11:10:40] <Wiki365>	brb guys
[11:15:24] <Nietzy>	alright guys did i miss anything there?
[11:15:33] <ialex>	nope
[11:16:52] <Wiki365>	could someone copy paste what was said to me up there ^^^^^ about mass uploading files plz?
[11:18:54] <ialex>	run maintenance/importImages.php from the command line
[11:20:17] <Wiki365>	what command line?
[11:20:31] <ialex>	on your server
[11:20:56] <Wiki365>	via ssl?]
[11:21:15] <ialex>	!ssh
[11:21:15] --mwbot--	Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[11:21:21] <ialex>	mwbot: you lag ;)
[11:21:50] <Wiki365>	ugh fuck, i hate running ssh
[11:22:32] <Wiki365>	what will that let me do then?
[11:23:09] <Duesentrieb>	anything. that's the point :)
[11:23:27] <Wiki365>	im no good with commands
[11:25:36] <Wiki365>	lol whats teh command for run?
[11:25:54] <ialex>	upload files through ftp in a file on your server
[11:25:58] <ialex>	ssh ...
[11:26:09] <ialex>	cd /path/to/mediawiki
[11:26:32] <ialex>	php maintenance/importImages.php /the/dir/where/you/put/the/images
[11:26:42] <Wiki365>	lol thanks
[11:27:15] <ialex>	in a file -> in a dir
[11:33:06] <Wiki365>	Invalid arguement support for each () in /maintenance/importImages.php on line 52
[11:33:47] <Wiki365>	Found: 1
[11:35:27] <Wiki365>	Line 52 of that file says:		foreach( $files as $file ) {
[11:35:54] <Xteven>	hi
[11:36:15] <Xteven>	is it possible to include part of a wiki page in another wiki page without extension or copy/pasting ?
[11:37:26] <ialex>	you can try interwiki transclusion
[11:37:49] <Wiki365>	ialex? do u know what that error i am getting means?
[11:38:17] <Xteven>	hmmm that appears to be a wiki setting
[11:38:23] <Xteven>	I don't have access to that
[11:38:23] <ialex>	Wiki365: can you tell me your MediaWiki version
[11:38:33] <Wiki365>	1.13
[11:39:01] <Wiki365>	1.13.4
[11:39:17] <ialex>	Wiki365: will see, iirc we had a bug in importImages on some MediaWiki versions
[11:40:19] <Wiki365>	i havent upgraded yet because i am afraid
[11:46:16] <Wiki365>	*waits
[11:47:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) GRAMMAR should build on wiki familiy names, not SITENAMEs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19893 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[11:50:38] <ialex>	Wiki365: seems it's caused because the dir you specified is either inexistant or not readable
[11:53:19] <Wiki365>	ive just moved it to the first folder on the server
[11:53:52] <Wiki365>	so the dir should be /sitename/Image uploads
[11:56:27] <ialex>	full path on the filesystem
[11:56:35] <ialex>	sorry, need to go
[12:49:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Abuse Filter form disabled for users not in the abuse-filter group - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19894 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (holek.n)
[12:55:45] <CIA-70>	03roberthl * r53673 10/trunk/extensions/freenodeChat/ (freenodeChat.php freenodeChat_body.php): 
[12:55:45] <CIA-70>	freenodeChat:
[12:55:45] <CIA-70>	* Various updates and cleanup.
[12:59:42] <PC_Nerd101>	Hi, is there any facility in media wiki to have custom links, which can use the internal linking format  "[[page_name|text]]", which can use the same but use a mod_rewrite style rule to another site/system?  eg [[^remote_name|text to display]]  where the ^ symbol is a defined rewrite ?
[13:01:52] <Nikerabbit>	wat
[13:02:03] <^demon>	Hi Nikerabbit 
[13:02:18] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: suggest the interwiki extension to him
[13:03:40] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: To whom?
[13:03:42] <^demon>	For what?
[13:03:45] <^demon>	(I just joined :)
[13:05:39] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: to PC_Nerd101 
[13:06:04] <^demon>	Is he trying to view or view & edit?
[13:07:56] <Nikerabbit>	[15:59:42]  PC_Nerd101> Hi, is there any facility in media wiki to have custom links, which can use the internal linking format  "[[page_name|text]]", which can use the same but use a mod_rewrite style rule to another site/system?  eg [[^remote_name|text to display]]  where the ^ symbol is a defined rewrite ?
[13:10:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fold identical messages, or state that they should or could be different. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19895 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[13:13:22] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Can you commit http://pastey.net/118010? It fixes a mismatched <tbody> issue, and adds <thead> around the header rows. getStartBody() was implemented but lacked the <thead> and opening <tbody> in the parent.
[13:17:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add Extension:Fundraiserportal to Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19896 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[13:25:22] <libregeek>	I have set up a private wiki(authenticated via LDAP) which has the username of the format "firstname.lastname@domain.tld". Now I need to promote some of the users to a different group, but when I do so from special:userrights page, i got the folllowing message:
[13:26:00] <libregeek>	*You do not have permission to edit user rights on other wikis.*
[13:26:32] <libregeek>	It seems the wiki is considering anything after @ as different wiki. is there any workaround to override this?
[13:43:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fundraiserportal messages should use SITENAME - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19897 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[13:45:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Extension:Fundraiserportal to Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19896  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[14:03:19] <AlexSm>	werdna: I looked at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19266 but it looks like textareas are now readonly but still disabled
[14:19:20] <CIA-70>	03purodha * r53674 10/trunk/extensions/freenodeChat/freenodeChat.i18n.php: some i18n messages corrected, some translated.
[14:25:03] <CIA-70>	03jojo * r53675 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: fix: Http::userAgent() not available for older MediaWikis
[14:26:38] <CIA-70>	03jojo * r53676 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: fix
[14:44:03] <^demon>	brion: G'morning
[14:54:27] <brion>	mornin
[14:54:36] <brion>	will pop out to head down to oscon again soon
[14:54:38] <apergos>	morning
[14:54:45] <brion>	anything exciting on the home front? :)
[14:55:40] <apergos>	dunno, just crawled out of the bed :-) 
[14:55:44] *GreenReaper 	is getting stuff finalized the NY Wiki-Conference. That'll be exciting.
[14:56:15] <brion>	whee
[14:57:09] <^demon>	I wish I could've made that :-\
[14:57:26] <Emufarmers>	^demon: it's not too late :D
[14:57:37] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Not enough $$
[14:57:43] <Emufarmers>	:(
[14:58:12] <^demon>	Rent, man. 
[14:58:29] <Emufarmers>	This is why we need a MediaWiki Foundation. :v
[14:58:32] <GreenReaper>	I went to see that before they cancelled that last year.
[14:59:08] <^demon>	brion: Is there any way I could get BZ admin access? There's a couple of easy BZ bugs lying around that I wouldn't mind poking at.\
[14:59:32] <brion>	i believe we could arrange that
[14:59:51] <^demon>	Yay
[15:00:07] <brion>	^demon: your bz login is.... the innocentkiller address?
[15:00:18] <^demon>	Yessir.
[15:02:56] <brion>	^demon: ok gave you a bunch of permission bits, let's see if that does it :D
[15:03:32] <^demon>	Seems like it, got a whole bunch of buttons on the left bar now.
[15:05:27] <brion>	yay
[15:08:28] <OverlordQ>	Grrrrrr, silly API was giving me pagedeleted error because I forgot to put a Z at the end of the timestamp
[15:08:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add Extension:Fundraiserportal to Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19896  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:08:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fold identical messages, or state that they should or could be different. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19895  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:08:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fundraiserportal messages should use SITENAME - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19897  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:10:36] <Subfader>	max filesize restrictions are overrun on URL upload. is this a known bug ?
[15:10:53] <Annemarie>	Sounds like a feature.
[15:11:00] <dp>	is there a way to prevent users from going beyond the wiki "home" page without being logged in?
[15:11:08] <Annemarie>	!access
[15:11:08] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[15:11:08] <Subfader>	feature? no way
[15:11:36] <Annemarie>	Subfader: Check the bug tracker; if there's no bug already, file one please. :-)
[15:11:42] <lin4h>	!API
[15:11:42] --mwbot--	The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[15:11:52] <dp>	Annemarie: thanks
[15:12:26] <Subfader>	kk. i prefer asking here before using the bugzilla search since i can't handle the advanced search
[15:12:42] <OverlordQ>	like how big is it letting you upload?
[15:13:20] <Subfader>	unlimited i guess. i have max 2MB which works fine on local machine uploads. by accident i uploaded a 13 MB png via URL
[15:13:29] <Annemarie>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=maxupload
[15:13:31] <Annemarie>	Looks like one of those prolly applies.
[15:13:53] <OverlordQ>	the config options for local vs by url are different
[15:13:56] <OverlordQ>	by default by url is 100MB
[15:13:59] <brion>	Subfader: the MediaWIki setting or the php/apache setting?
[15:14:15] <Subfader>	php. php_admin_value upload_max_filesize 2M
[15:15:00] <lin4h>	for default is 2MByte...
[15:16:52] <mj41>	Hi. Anybody would like to assist me, while I am trying to find why file Uploading stops to work after r52088 to r53410 upgrade? Excuse my English. I am inside special/SpcialUpload.php and seems like $this->processUpload(); isn't called beacuse condition $this->Upload fails.
[15:17:34] <OverlordQ>	afaik upload_max_filesize only affects local file uploads, for by-url you need to change $wgMaxUploadSize
[15:18:10] <Subfader>	yeah testing this now
[15:21:25] <Subfader>	$wgUploadSizeWarning & $wgMaxUploadSize with 1024 * 1024 * 2 gives me "Unknown upload error" on URL upload but that's ok
[15:31:16] <Ryan_Lane>	My wiki is having strange encoding issues when deployed behind an OpenSSO web agent. It looks like I only have this issue when php-xml is installed. Any clues on why this may occur?
[15:33:17] <Lycurgus>	why would anybody use opensso if they weren't java centric and what does it have to do with mw?
[15:33:45] <ricky>	Simetrical: Ugh, sorry for getting you into this pointless discussion with that bug.  I'm talking to some FESCo people about escalating the patch decision to them :-(
[15:33:54] <Lycurgus>	(the first part of that is not rhetorical)
[15:34:17] <Ryan_Lane>	Lycurgus: because it provides a single sign on service via agents as well?
[15:34:30] <Ryan_Lane>	Lycurgus: it isn't just a java thing
[15:34:43] <Lycurgus>	yeah but there are a number of such packages
[15:35:11] <Ryan_Lane>	Lycurgus: it has to do with mediawiki because my content is getting screwed up when i'm using it, and have php-xml installed. it is only affecting mediawiki...
[15:35:26] <Ryan_Lane>	Lycurgus: yeah, there are lots of proprietary ones, and home grown ones.
[15:38:49] <Ryan_Lane>	do I need php-xml for mediawiki to function properly? will I lose any functionality?
[15:39:14] <Ryan_Lane>	err will i lose any functionality if I uninstall it?
[15:39:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create strategy.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19724  +comment (10rhalsell)
[15:40:09] <mj41>	hmm. I found error, but it was already fixed in r53416. Seems like I should switch to wmf-deployment branch.
[15:40:33] <roberthl>	no, you shouldn't
[15:41:06] <mj41>	I would like use same revision like en.wikipedia.org, I have auto-upgrade script.
[15:41:24] <roberthl>	sure, but you have no idea what wmf specifc hacks the wmf branch has
[15:42:11] <mj41>	Ungrading to trunk HEAD is also bad option.
[15:42:33] <roberthl>	so stay a few revisions behind and manually track head
[15:44:12] <mj41>	It was easier to parser en...special:version and upgrade to it :-(.
[15:46:08] <mj41>	By "manully track" you mean follow "svn log" and try to find where is good point to upgrade? MyEnglsih --
[15:46:15] <roberthl>	yes
[15:51:05] <mj41>	hmm, I prefer more automatic solutions. Continuous deployment script ... but is there reverse for  maintenance/update.php ?
[15:51:20] <roberthl>	no...
[15:52:17] <CIA-70>	03river * r53677 10/trunk/tools/slayerd/: moved to toolserver svn
[15:52:52] <mj41>	and something like automatic tests on live wiki? 
[15:53:28] <^demon>	There is no automatic regression testing.
[15:54:03] <Subfader>	is there some parser function to shorten strings? eg {{#strip:{{{1}}}|25|...}}
[15:54:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Saving searches resulting in errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17514   +upstream (10innocentkiller)
[15:55:12] <mj41>	I mean base user features ( like create users, edit page, upload file, ... ) test.
[15:56:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Consistency with "Priority" field - please remove completely or restore to "new bug" form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17895  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:56:55] <mj41>	You probably known Timothy Fitz Continuous Deployment at IMVU: Doing the impossible fifty times a day. http://timothyfitz.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/continuous-deployment-at-imvu-doing-the-impossible-fifty-times-a-day/ :-)
[16:02:04] <^demon>	mj41: In theory, the WMF/MediaWiki operates on a continuous deployment schedule. However, it doesn't work like that in practice.
[16:02:50] <^demon>	Right now the review/deploy policy is more like "deploy when we catch up, a bit behind HEAD, but well ahead of the latest stable"
[16:03:09] <flyingparchment>	i think we officiall gave up CI with the wmf-deployment branch
[16:03:12] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: I would say that stopped being true even in theory a while ago
[16:03:49] <flyingparchment>	wmf doesn't have enough staff to make it work
[16:04:10] <Emufarmers_>	Yet :D
[16:05:38] <^demon>	What we need is either a Brion/Tim clone, or hire a dedicated code reviewer :)
[16:05:40] <OverlordQ>	that continuous deployment thing is interesting, would be viable for mediawiki except for the whole automated test part :P
[16:12:07] *^demon 	longs for the day that WMF runs a rev only a few behind HEAD.
[16:12:11] <^demon>	I remember those days :)
[16:12:48] <ialex>	^demon: +1
[16:15:22] <^demon>	ialex: And sort-of-weekly CR+scap ;-)
[16:16:07] *ialex 	recalls the Code Review Tuesdays :)
[16:17:00] <roberthl>	if you only do it once a week there really is too much stuff to catch up with in one day though
[16:17:39] <Majorly>	what's the no. of transcluded templates limit
[16:18:09] <OverlordQ>	dont think there's a limit on the number, but there are other limits on size/complexity
[16:18:44] <OverlordQ>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_limits
[16:19:07] <Majorly>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Majorly/Archives/All ...
[16:20:21] <OverlordQ>	chug chug chugington, that's a very large page
[16:20:38] <Emufarmers_>	Majorly: you probably need to cut back on the drama, then :D
[16:21:14] <Emufarmers_>	It does load, though
[16:21:20] <Majorly>	that's over 3 years woeth of talk page messages
[16:21:27] <Majorly>	check the bottom
[16:21:29] <ialex>	Majorly: Post-expand include size: 2040980/2048000 bytes
[16:21:45] <OverlordQ>	yea, that page is way too big
[16:21:50] <GreenReaper>	So it hit the limit.
[16:21:53] <Emufarmers_>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Emufarmers <-- Also over three years worth of talk page messages
[16:21:55] <Majorly>	aw
[16:22:12] <Majorly>	i was useful for finding old discussions
[16:22:14] <Majorly>	it*
[16:22:23] <OverlordQ>	use one of the archive indexer bots
[16:22:26] <Majorly>	i could subst them all, you think?
[16:22:45] <Majorly>	OverlordQ: i did, but it stopped working on my page
[16:22:55] <ialex>	Majorly: as long as you don't hit max page size
[16:23:02] <ialex>	(2 MB wikitext)
[16:23:15] *OverlordQ 	guesses it would hit it
[16:23:49] <Majorly>	feck
[16:25:45] <CIA-70>	03alexsh * r53678 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): +Add BrokenRedirects and DoubleRedirects API script for bot development.
[16:39:22] <jlhenry>	ExtensionDistributor error (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor) : svn: Working copy '/mnt/upload5/private/ExtensionDistributor/mw-snapshot/branches/REL1_15/extensions' locked
[16:39:22] <jlhenry>	svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details)
[16:40:39] <jlhenry>	I am just trying to download extensions for Mediawiki 1.15.x
[16:40:58] <jlhenry>	any help?
[16:41:03] <ialex>	jlhenry: see the topic ;)
[16:41:42] <jlhenry>	ialex, oups ... :)
[16:41:48] <Ryan_Lane>	anyone know if php-xml is a requirement for mediawiki?
[16:41:59] <jlhenry>	Ryan_Lane, don't think so.
[16:42:01] <ialex>	not a requirement
[16:42:08] <Ryan_Lane>	great :)
[16:48:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change logo on eu.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19898 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (lifeisunfair)
[16:52:02] <OverlordQ>	isn't BrokenRedirects an expensive query?
[17:19:41] <tekmosis>	How do I disable signup/registration? http://neowiki.neoseeker.com/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&action=submitlogin&type=signup I don't get it, I have set : $wgGroupPermissions['*'          ]['createaccount']   = false;
[17:26:28] <Emufarmers_>	You do not have permission to create this user account, for the following reason:
[17:26:28] <Emufarmers_>	The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Administrators.
[17:26:28] <marble8977>	thanks for the answer
[17:26:28] <Emufarmers_>	Seems to be working
[17:26:28] <tekmosis>	hmm, I'm getting db error reports that people are trying to access that page though
[17:26:28] <Skizzerz>	tekmosis: probably people accessing the page manually by typing in the URL
[17:26:28] <Skizzerz>	note that Special:UserLogin is both for logging in and signing up though
[17:26:28] <Skizzerz>	so signups are disabled, but logging in isn't
[17:26:28] <tekmosis>	logging in is fine but I just don't want registration through MW. We're using an external auth system
[17:26:28] <Skizzerz>	yes
[17:26:28] <Skizzerz>	well, registration through mw is disabled, so nothing to worry about :)
[17:26:28] <Emufarmers_>	tekmosis: that's probably because "register" is in your skin on the top-right
[17:26:28] <Skizzerz>	Emufarmers_: the register link leads to the external auth registration
[17:26:28] <Emufarmers_>	Oh
[17:26:28] <Emufarmers_>	Well, there are still links to the normal registration in a few places
[17:26:28] <Emufarmers_>	For instance, on http://neowiki.neoseeker.com/wiki/User_talk:75.144.133.73
[17:26:29] <tekmosis>	oh darn D: that sucks. I'll have to change those
[17:26:29] <tekmosis>	Thanks for pointing that out, Emufarmers
[17:26:29] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Disabled fields in filter detail view difficult to read - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19266  +comment (10AlexSm)
[17:26:29] <Emufarmers_>	Actually, it seems to just be http://neowiki.neoseeker.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Nosuchuser and http://neowiki.neoseeker.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext
[17:29:03] <marble8977>	will this update by the installer also work with extensions
[17:29:58] <marble8977>	or for installing extensions
[17:35:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add Extension:Simple Security to Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18239  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[17:36:12] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53680 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormField.inc: Replaced 'float' and 'int' with just 'number', reflecting SMW change from a while ago
[17:37:14] <marble8977>	can someone give me some advise about installing extensions without commandline
[17:37:18] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53681 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_LanguageEn.php: Added new value for 'Creates pages with form'
[17:38:24] <marble8977>	I think the option with the installer doesn't work because the installer doesn't know about the extension
[17:38:43] <Emufarmers_>	What extension?
[17:39:24] <marble8977>	ConfirmAccount
[17:39:47] <marble8977>	probably there is just some db adaptation needed?
[17:40:04] <marble8977>	my oncle asked me 
[17:40:31] <Emufarmers_>	Run the queries in ConfirmAccount.sql with phpMyAdmin
[17:40:42] <marble8977>	uhu 
[17:40:44] <marble8977>	ok 
[17:41:45] <marble8977>	thx
[17:41:47] <AlexSm>	Nikerabbit: isn't the fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19294 "Sp-contributions-footer-anon on IPs without edits" supposed to be live already?
[17:43:11] <Emufarmers_>	AlexSm: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52174 doesn't appear to have been reviewed yet
[17:44:23] <AlexSm>	but the current version on enwiki is 53410; I never knew revisions can be skipped like that
[17:44:37] <ialex>	AlexSm: this changed
[17:45:00] <AlexSm>	ah, thank you then
[17:45:00] <flyingparchment>	with wmf-deployment, the revision number on special:version can no longer be compared to trunk
[17:45:12] <flyingparchment>	all it represents is the version of wmf-deployment being used
[17:45:29] <faceface>	hi, i'm using mw 1.14, but with latest svn version of ParserFunctions, however {{#sub: ... appears literally in a page
[17:45:47] <faceface>	do I need to update the mw version?
[17:45:49] <^demon>	flyingparchment: What would be cool would be if the WMF version number had something like (branched from rXXX), so we at least know where from trunk we're talking about.
[17:46:01] <faceface>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions
[17:46:21] <ialex>	^demon: link is already correct on Special:Version
[17:46:26] <faceface>	I figure {{#sub: should work independantly of the mw version (within reason).
[17:46:51] <^demon>	ialex: 1.16alpha-wmf (r53410).
[17:47:27] <ialex>	^demon: the link on r53410 points to /branches/wmf-deplyement
[17:48:20] <^demon>	ialex: Yes, but I'm saying to put the rev at which wmf-deployment was branched from trunk (ie: last reviewed) so we can better say "Yes we're on r53410, which is r51088 from trunk"
[17:49:22] <ialex>	^demon: the only thing I see is to extract it from svn:mergeinfo
[17:49:37] <^demon>	ialex: That, or just update the WMF's $wgVersion when a merge happens :)
[17:50:00] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53682 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Language.php: Added 'Creates pages with form' value
[17:51:43] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53683 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormUtils.inc: Removed 'integer' validation (no longer needed), fixed FCKeditor handling to allow for "disable" link
[17:52:10] <^demon>	ialex: Mind committing a 2 line patch for me?
[17:52:14] <faceface>	r53683 <3
[17:53:38] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53684 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_Utils.inc: Added handling for new 'Creates pages with form' special property; added 'SMW_sorttable' JS file to form headers
[17:53:52] <ialex>	^demon: where is it?
[17:53:54] <^demon>	ialex: http://pastey.net/118029 - fixes mismatched <tbody> issue from when child did not implement TablePager's getStartBody() with a trailing <tbody> Also adds <thead> around header rows, like parent does.
[17:54:02] <faceface>	given that I installed mw 14 from tar.gz, can I now use svn to sync up to 15?
[17:54:28] <ialex>	no
[17:54:30] <^demon>	faceface: No. You're better off just downloading 1.15 and updating like normal.
[17:54:39] <faceface>	I find svn so much easier for extension, I figure I should be using it for mw iteself
[17:54:41] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53685 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Added handling for new 'Creates pages with form' special property
[17:54:46] <faceface>	^demon: why?
[17:55:24] <faceface>	OK, different question, how do I grab 1.15 from svn?
[17:55:33] <^demon>	You'd need to checkout the REL1_15 branch
[17:55:45] <faceface>	^demon: how do I do that?
[17:56:01] <faceface>	I mean.. I know svn co and svn update... but nothing else
[17:56:07] <^demon>	the path would be:
[17:56:20] *ialex 	never tried the new Special:Allmessages :)
[17:56:27] <^demon>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_15/phase3 for core MW.
[17:56:41] <^demon>	And /extensions for all the 1.15 branched extensions.
[17:56:48] <^demon>	ialex: It's sexy && faster and doesn't use JS :)
[17:56:53] <faceface>	all ... extensions... omg
[17:57:19] <faceface>	^demon: ok, I understand what you mean now
[17:57:21] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53686 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_AutocompleteAPI.php: Added Patrick Nagel's fix of SQL for binary-storage databases
[17:57:25] <^demon|afk>	Back in a minute.
[17:57:33] <faceface>	so far I havent had a problem using trunc for extensions
[17:58:08] <almaghi>	faceface: trunk/extensions is empty.
[17:58:31] <almaghi>	sorry: trunk/phase3/extensions is empty...
[17:58:41] <faceface>	almaghi: I use, for example, svn checkout http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SemanticResultFormats/
[17:58:54] <faceface>	what is this phase3 thing?
[17:59:04] <Emufarmers_>	the software
[17:59:04] <almaghi>	trunk/extensions is full. Extensions is NOT part of MediaWiki product
[17:59:18] <almaghi>	it is the 3rd phase of MediaWiki product
[17:59:26] <faceface>	what? I dont' want to use any software!
[17:59:48] <almaghi>	...........  bye so .......
[17:59:51] <faceface>	ok, thanks for info
[18:00:04] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53687 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/README: Added contributor, and clarification of Floatbox license
[18:00:06] <faceface>	for a moment I really thought I got booted!
[18:00:45] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r53688 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialAllmessages.php: Apply ^demon's patch. Reason was: fixes mismatched <tbody> issue from when child did not implement TablePager's getStartBody() with a trailing <tbody> Also adds <thead> around header rows, like parent does.
[18:00:59] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53689 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_LinkUtils.inc: Added createLinkedPage(), called by red-link hooks
[18:01:51] <faceface>	hmm... I found a difference between the 1.15.1 I downloaded and the REL1_15 branch
[18:02:20] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53690 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormInputs.inc: Changed 'float' type description to 'number', added HTML-escaping for textareas
[18:02:55] <faceface>	nm, trivial
[18:05:41] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53691 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: 'float' changed to 'number'; fix to always reset time values for date fields; "free text" placeholder changed to work with new HTML-escaping of textarea values
[18:06:45] <faceface>	^demon|afk: sorry for dumb questions but... if I svn update in the location co'ed, will I still be verison REL1_15? I guess so, but I'm not svn savvy
[18:10:27] <almaghi>	faceface:  http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_15_0/   is not http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_15_1/
[18:11:12] <faceface>	almaghi: is that the start of a joke?
[18:11:14] <faceface>	only kidding
[18:11:24] <faceface>	I did http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_15/phase3 
[18:11:31] <faceface>	is that http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_15_0/ ?
[18:11:51] <faceface>	I mean, I did "svn checkout http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_15/phase3"
[18:12:03] <Skizzerz>	yes, that's correct
[18:12:06] <Skizzerz>	don't check out from tags
[18:12:22] <faceface>	Skizzerz: what is almaghi on about?
[18:12:22] <Skizzerz>	unless you want to keep it at a specific version
[18:12:45] <Skizzerz>	tags/REL1_15_0 is 1.15.0, tags/REL1_15_1 is 1.15.1
[18:12:59] <faceface>	Skizzerz: I do, I don't want to be bleeding edge, but I do want to be able to update to a specific version using SVN (because I find it very convenient).
[18:13:02] <Skizzerz>	and branches/REL1_15 is 1.15.x, where x is the latest version to be released
[18:13:06] <almaghi>	a "tag" is a frozen version, a branch is the living one.
[18:13:18] <Skizzerz>	then you don't want to use a tag, since those will NEVER update
[18:13:27] <Skizzerz>	check out from branches/REL1_15/phase3
[18:13:37] <Skizzerz>	that will ensure that you stay up-to-date on the latest stable version
[18:13:37] <faceface>	almaghi: right
[18:13:55] <faceface>	Skizzerz: OK, thanks for clarifying that for me
[18:13:56] <^demon>	ialex: Thanks.
[18:14:03] <Skizzerz>	except then you need to switch from REL1_15 to REL1_16 when 1.16.0 comes out :)
[18:14:17] <Skizzerz>	hmm
[18:14:28] <faceface>	Skizzerz: right, would that be done via svn or via cp?
[18:14:37] <Skizzerz>	svn switch iirc
[18:15:14] <faceface>	I'm about to go from .tar.gz of 1.12.? to the branches/REL1_15/phase3 version... I'm just going to copy the files on top... is that right?
[18:15:28] <faceface>	Skizzerz: cool... I should read up about tags and branches
[18:15:47] <Skizzerz>	copy the files on top, and run the update.php script from the command line
[18:15:51] <Skizzerz>	!update
[18:15:51] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[18:15:54] <faceface>	right
[18:18:25] <faceface>	cp: cannot create regular file `../mediawiki/bin/.svn/text-base/ulimit4.sh.svn-base': Permission denied
[18:18:47] <faceface>	there seems to have already been a .svn file in that location
[18:19:24] <almaghi>	May someone review and close that patched bug report: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19817 I don't know which attachement is better. 6363 or 6364. I guess 6364
[18:21:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate abuse filter on itwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19772  (10webmelos)
[18:22:21] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53692 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.8
[18:22:35] <faceface>	diff -r ../mediawiki/ phase3/ -> "Only in phase3/: .svn" # should I copy that over? did cp -r but...
[18:23:06] *faceface 	guesses he should
[18:23:51] <Skizzerz>	uh, what? why are you using cp?
[18:24:01] <Skizzerz>	if you're taking anything from svn, use svn checkout
[18:24:03] <faceface>	Skizzerz: because I was on a tar.gz
[18:24:33] *Skizzerz 	is confused
[18:24:39] <faceface>	so if I understand this correctly, if some bugs get fixed and you release 1.15.2, all I need to do is go into the dir and 'svn update'
[18:24:45] <Skizzerz>	yes
[18:24:54] <faceface>	Skizzerz: previously I have always used tar.gz for installing and updating MW
[18:24:54] <Skizzerz>	and run update.php if there were any db changes
[18:25:01] <Skizzerz>	yeah, ignore those files
[18:25:08] <faceface>	however, I use svn to install and update extensions 
[18:25:10] <Skizzerz>	move them elsewhere or something
[18:25:18] <faceface>	Skizzerz: right, update.php ... I almost forgot again!
[18:25:52] <faceface>	Skizzerz: OK, so what happens when 1.16 is released?
[18:26:15] <Skizzerz>	you need to use svn switch in order to change your copy to use branches/REL1_16
[18:26:26] <faceface>	remember I checked out branches/REL1_15/phase3 ...
[18:26:38] <faceface>	'svn switch' right thanks dude
[18:26:42] <faceface>	I need to read :-)
[18:26:49] <Emufarmers_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN
[18:27:26] <faceface>	thanks Emufarmers_ 
[18:28:34] <almaghi>	Skizzerz: "move them elsewhere or something"  : moving /extensions (as you've co /extensions ) to update from svn is not user friendly. Is there not a better way to deal with ?
[18:28:52] <Skizzerz>	ah, true... wasn't thinking about that
[18:29:00] <Skizzerz>	it's just the easiest way to avoid filename collisions :)
[18:29:21] <almaghi>	ok ;) To bad for users
[18:29:30] <Emufarmers_>	Stupid users, hate them so much
[18:29:36] <Skizzerz>	yeah, who needs them?
[18:29:56] <faceface>	idiots, all of them
[18:29:56] <almaghi>	Probably other users ;)
[18:30:09] <Skizzerz>	I mean, all they do is complain that the docs are confusing
[18:30:30] <Emufarmers_>	That's what you get for writing docs
[18:30:35] <faceface>	hey, I just thought of a cool g-shirt ... "users are for loosers"
[18:30:57] <Skizzerz>	How hard is it to understand that you need to reverse the polarity of the positron generator in order to set the burbab crystals into a chain reaction that will ultimately lead to installing a LAMP stack?
[18:31:23] <faceface>	you'd think you needed to spell it out!
[18:32:49] <faceface>	anyway, seems its fine to have extensions/blah under separate version control 
[18:33:08] <Emufarmers_>	I don't see how it's separate
[18:33:10] <almaghi>	Skizzerz: what "understand" mean? Please write http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Understand
[18:33:16] <bram0098>	Hello can i change the registerform (add extra options?)
[18:33:21] <bram0098>	and how?
[18:33:25] <faceface>	 braches/REL1_15/phase3 ignores anything under extensions, and anything under extensions isn't going to look outside the box
[18:33:38] <faceface>	bram0098: what form?
[18:33:52] <faceface>	Emufarmers_: its dependent, but so far stable...
[18:33:56] <Skizzerz>	almaghi: so it's just that word "understand" that's keeping people from following directions? I thought the solution would be harder
[18:34:05] <Emufarmers_>	faceface: right?  That's why you check out the extensions and svn up each of them too when hte time comes
[18:34:09] <bram0098>	the one u have to fill in to register as user
[18:34:27] <faceface>	Emufarmers_: I svn up the extensions every 10 mins ;-)
[18:34:48] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) SpecialVersion upset by anonymous functions in $wgHooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15476  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:35:33] <almaghi>	Maybe you should try that easy solution? :]
[18:35:48] <faceface>	Gah! why wont {{#sub: work?
[18:36:04] <faceface>	Its aparently part of parserfunctions (latest svn)
[18:36:09] <faceface>	running mw 1.15.1
[18:36:33] <faceface>	I just see a literal '{{#sub|what|2}}'
[18:36:48] <faceface>	I mean :{{#sub:what|2}}
[18:37:23] <^demon>	faceface: The stringfunctions in parserfunctions have to be explicitly enabled. Set $wgPFEnableStringFunctions to true in your LocalSettings.
[18:37:36] <faceface>	^demon: ++++++
[18:38:47] <faceface>	beautiful
[18:39:15] <faceface>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=%24wgPFEnableStringFunctions&fulltext=Search ??
[18:39:21] <faceface>	There were no results matching the query
[18:39:41] <largos>	are wiki page titles compared with some mix of case-sensitivity when checking for equality? 
[18:39:53] *faceface 	resists the urge to say "that's what you get for writing docs" ... dam!
[18:40:05] <^demon>	faceface: It should be mentioned on [[Extension:ParserFunctions]], but it's not :)
[18:40:12] <largos>	(I'm processing the wikipedia data set, and I'm having some trouble following REDIRECT links to the resulting pages)
[18:40:29] <faceface>	thanks ^demon, I'll put a note in StringFunctions too
[18:40:33] <Skizzerz>	largos: wiki page names are case-sensitive (except for the very first letter, which is always uppercase)
[18:40:55] <Skizzerz>	so [[Foo bar]] and [[Foo Bar]] are two different pages
[18:41:04] <^demon>	Speaking of, I need to finalize that $wgCapitalLinks patch.
[18:41:29] <largos>	Skizzerz: ok, thanks! -- I was suspecting something like that, but wanted verification :)
[18:42:01] <largos>	hm.. so, is the title stored separately for display?
[18:42:03] <largos>	eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FilePro
[18:42:37] <largos>	(that page displays a title of "filePro"
[18:42:48] <OverlordQ>	no, that's just using a parserfunction to alter the display
[18:42:57] <Skizzerz>	brion: I just had a strange idea... should we make a branch that has the latest stable code? (like branches/stable). This would allow people that use svn to check out stable revisions to update major versions without having to svn switch
[18:43:09] <faceface>	is there a template for linking to "Manual:$wgSomeSuch" ?
[18:43:37] <^demon>	join #wikimedia
[18:43:52] <^demon>	Stupid /
[18:43:52] <brion-oscon>	Skizzerz: imo that'd be pretty annoying. i dont like surprise upgrades ;)
[18:43:56] <brion-oscon>	svn switch aint rocket science :)
[18:44:00] <brion-oscon>	thats how i upgrad emy wordpress, its easy as pie
[18:44:00] <largos>	OverlordQ: ah... I didn't know that was possible! (looking at the FilePro wiki text now.. very cool :)
[18:44:19] <^demon>	Skizzerz: So then we get trunk, stable and wmf-deployment? Whee.....
[18:44:35] <Skizzerz>	it was just an idea -_-
[18:45:12] <faceface>	Skizzerz: I liked it ;-)
[18:45:25] <Emufarmers_>	faceface: [[Manual:$wgVariable|]]
[18:45:50] <faceface>	Emufarmers_: you don't say?
[18:46:10] <faceface>	I'm looking for {{param|wgVariable}} or similar...
[18:46:16] <Emufarmers_>	Um, why?
[18:46:24] <brion-oscon>	Skizzerz: awwwww thas ok
[18:46:29] <^demon>	Extension config vars don't go at Manual:$wgVar.
[18:46:29] <faceface>	Emufarmers_: no reason, sorry for being rude when you were trying to help
[18:46:34] <^demon>	FYI ^^^^
[18:46:43] <faceface>	oh
[18:46:44] <faceface>	ty
[18:47:01] <^demon>	Mention them on the extension page :)
[18:47:14] <Emufarmers_>	brion-oscon: memory limit patch still needs lovin' o:
[18:47:21] <faceface>	er... http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension%3AStringFunctions&diff=267286&oldid=262927
[18:47:35] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: Bug #?
[18:48:00] <faceface>	oh joy.. parserfunctions documentation 
[18:48:17] <Emufarmers_>	!bug 16084
[18:48:17] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16084
[18:49:19] <faceface>	thanks all for help
[18:50:11] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: Seems pretty easy. Just remove the useless stuff from installation and do it at Setup.php instead :)
[18:50:31] <OverlordQ>	^demon: that's what the patch does :P
[18:50:45] <^demon>	Yep :) I'll commit this evening if no one beats me to it.
[18:51:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Default memory limit should be increased - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16084   +patch +reviewed; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[18:52:18] <^demon>	Yay, 2 bugs with +reviewed lol
[18:52:34] <brion-oscon>	whee
[18:53:32] <brion-oscon>	Emufarmers_: might want to make the default min limit configurable
[18:53:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) missing permission error page for abuse log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19899 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[18:53:39] <^demon>	brion: Bug 19102 wants to add a component for the MW extension testing that Gerard + Kim are doing. Any objections?
[18:54:09] <Emufarmers_>	brion-oscon: okay, I'll make it so tonight
[18:54:57] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: I'll wait for that before committing, obviously.
[18:55:06] *Emufarmers_ 	snuggles
[18:55:30] <brion-oscon>	and make sure were using the same default min limit in the isntaller :)
[18:55:59] <brion-oscon>	^demon: hmm, component in mw extensions or product?
[18:56:26] <^demon>	brion-oscon: product makes more sense IMHO.
[18:56:33] <brion-oscon>	prolly
[18:56:50] <brion-oscon>	however check on proper current naming w gerard or kim bruning  :)
[18:56:58] <Emufarmers_>	brion-oscon: originally I was going to do that, but then I figured nobody's ever actually run out of memory on the installer, and keeping the limit low might make sure it works on funny setups
[18:57:00] <brion-oscon>	iirc theres been some issues w/ wikiation funder
[18:57:19] <Emufarmers_>	then again, if there's a problem, it should happen during the installer, not later, so yah
[18:57:31] <^demon>	brion-oscon: Will do.
[19:01:03] <^demon>	Stupid close tab button.
[19:01:36] <brion-oscon>	hehe
[19:03:47] <^demon>	Anyone ever used Maven?
[19:05:37] <^demon>	Whoo, we've got 18 names queued up on [[Commit access requests]] that could use some lovin'
[19:05:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) wrap listgrouprights-key into a div - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19900 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[19:09:38] *Emufarmers_ 	bets the last one on the list will get it first
[19:20:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create a new mailing list for a research group using Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19901 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (helenchavez)
[19:23:09] <Emufarmers_>	Mailing lists: a service that only Wikimedia can provide
[19:24:06] <Emufarmers_>	Assuming she actually means Wikimedia and not MediaWiki...
[19:24:51] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: I didn't know we hosted lists for outside projects like that :)
[19:25:14] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: I don't think we do; I was being a tad bit sarcastic
[19:26:54] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: I know. So am I :p
[19:27:01] <^demon>	Like I said at work today, "The trick is figuring out when I'm being serious and not being sarcastic."
[19:27:26] <Emufarmers_>	Sarcasm?  In _my_ #mediawiki?
[19:27:46] <ialex>	_your_ o_O
[19:28:21] <Emufarmers_>	ialex: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/X%3F_In_My_Y%3F
[19:29:52] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Create a new mailing list for a research group using Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19901  +comment (10public)
[19:30:22] <^demon>	Well that was quick.
[19:30:56] <^demon>	Now we can spend two weeks opening and closing and arguing over the WONTFIX.
[19:31:16] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: you're a BZ admin now, though, so :D
[19:32:04] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: Doesn't mean I can set some majic WONTFIX-and-you-cant-reopen flag :)
[19:32:19] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: well, that would be a nice feature to have
[19:33:38] <Skizzerz>	^demon: you can't lock bugs?
[19:33:43] <Skizzerz>	that's dumb
[19:33:47] <^demon>	Skizzerz: Not afaict.
[19:33:58] <^demon>	+upstream :)
[19:35:16] <^demon>	Ha, this is cool:
[19:35:17] <^demon>	bz_sudoers: Can perform actions as other users
[19:35:46] <Skizzerz>	epic pointless
[19:36:27] <Skizzerz>	^demon: you could disable the users that keep reopening it :P
[19:36:32] <^demon>	Eh, moderately. Would be helpful if you had a role account of QA and you wanted your QA people to handle their actions under that one account.
[19:37:17] <Skizzerz>	it emails the person you impersonate
[19:37:40] <^demon>	Oh, lame.
[19:38:41] <^demon>	Hmm, I remember us adding the browser field, I wonder why it was disabled.
[19:39:50] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r53693 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialListgrouprights.php): * (bug 19900) The "listgrouprights-key" message is now wrapped in a div with class "mw-listgrouprights-key"
[19:40:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) wrap listgrouprights-key into a div - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19900  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:42:37] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19189
[19:43:41] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: And there's my answer, thanks.
[19:44:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) firefox doesn't have scroll bars for long pre tagged areas, they go off page nastilly. style sheet fixes? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414  +comment (10steve.buzonas)
[19:46:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Supporting thumbnails from the enhanced toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19755  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[19:47:44] <^demon>	Raymond_: Special:AllMessages validates now \o/ Only errors are HTML5 ones for various table elements.
[19:48:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot view Special:Contributions (possible regression from r53534) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19845  +comment (10accnospamtom)
[19:48:29] <Raymond_>	^demon: yes :) I tested it too and made a CodeReview comment :)
[19:49:03] <^demon>	Raymond_: I got your comment, just felt like replying here hehe
[19:50:46] <Wikiacc>	hello all
[19:50:51] <^demon>	Raymond_: Allmessages is about 10 trillion times better now.
[19:51:04] <Wikiacc>	I encountered an error with the extensiondistributor at mediawiki.org
[19:51:14] <Raymond_>	^demon: absolutly :)
[19:51:23] <Wikiacc>	svn: Working copy '/mnt/upload5/private/ExtensionDistributor/mw-snapshot/branches/REL1_13/extensions' locked
[19:51:27] <Wikiacc>	svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details)
[19:51:42] <Nikerabbit>	read the topic please
[19:52:15] <Wikiacc>	ah, I see
[19:52:17] <Wikiacc>	thanks
[19:52:45] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Read the topic? My god man, you ask the impossible!
[19:53:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a new mailing list for a research group using Wikimedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19901  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[19:54:05] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: really, I'm f*king pissed of that nobody seems to fixing it
[19:54:20] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Bug Tim-away then.
[19:55:47] *Emufarmers_ 	hands Nikerabbit a torch and pitchfork
[19:55:53] <NeKit>	I have a strange problem with MediaWiki
[19:55:54] <NeKit>	http://img.yiffa.net/i6225.jpg
[19:56:57] <NeKit>	The glitch appear suddenly and dissapear after update page in browser with Ctrl+Shift+R or commanding ?action=purge
[19:57:40] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: is special:allmessages using the nice whitespace-preserving thing?
[19:58:05] <Nikerabbit>	looks like not
[19:58:44] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: maybe you could borrow TranslateUtils::convertWhiteSpaceToHTML ^^
[20:00:17] *^demon 	will look later
[20:02:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PHP warning on opening 'my preferences' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19669  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:03:28] <mdale>	anyone see any problems with me naming an extension Wiki@home  (it will manage distributed client side transcoding, sequence rendering, and maybe other client distributed cpu intensive tasks ... )
[20:03:33] <mdale>	specifically will the @ in an extension name break anything?
[20:06:17] <mdale>	... yea does not work :)
[20:06:33] <Nikerabbit>	@ is valid in titles, isn't it?
[20:06:43] <mdale>	it gets replaced with %40
[20:06:57] <mdale>	but maybe would show up fine other places...
[20:07:05] <Nikerabbit>	that's just your browser
[20:07:07] <Nikerabbit>	firefox doesn't
[20:07:17] <mdale>	right but for the SVN...
[20:07:27] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[20:07:31] <mdale>	WikiAtHome
[20:07:33] <mdale>	works oky
[20:07:57] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: Firefox urldecodes urls for display in the nav bar
[20:08:35] <mdale>	will call it wikiAtHome in the svn and wiki@home "in print" ;)
[20:08:54] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Extra title param tacked onto page limits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16009  normal->major; +comment (10happy-melon)
[20:08:57] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: fortunately
[20:09:47] <Nikerabbit>	wtf
[20:09:55] <Nikerabbit>	didn't I already fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16009
[20:10:11] <CIA-70>	03dale * r53694 10/trunk/extensions/WikiAtHome/: created new extension Wiki@Home (it will initially manage distributed client side transcoding and sequence rendering. In the future it may handle other client distributed cpu or network intensive tasks.
[20:11:02] <almaghi>	quote:" in gileki wikipedia, font of pages is very small and people can not read it"
[20:11:06] <almaghi>	"if anbody can change it, please do that. the larges of font of farsi wikipedia is good for our gileki wikipedia. i try to do that but can not do that"
[20:11:32] <almaghi>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Contents#enlarging_the_font_of_gileki_wikipedia
[20:12:06] <almaghi>	font size of  http://www.glk.wikipedia.org/   VS  http://fa.wikipedia.org/
[20:12:25] <Nikerabbit>	works for me
[20:12:27] <Nikerabbit>	about the same
[20:12:59] <Nikerabbit>	and you can drop the www
[20:13:03] <almaghi>	how to enlarge size font on wmf wikis?
[20:13:45] <Nikerabbit>	it's even bigger in glk than fa
[20:13:57] <Nikerabbit>	almaghi: mediawiki:common.css
[20:14:13] <almaghi>	ok thks, i was checking on http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C:Common.css
[20:14:21] <almaghi>	I'll fix it for him
[20:14:35] <Nikerabbit>	looks like somebody already fucked it up
[20:14:36] <Nikerabbit>	body {
[20:14:36] <Nikerabbit>	font-size: 80%;
[20:14:40] <Nikerabbit>	in http://glk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C:Monobook.css
[20:15:26] <Nikerabbit>	I don't get it
[20:15:35] <Nikerabbit>	the same user who complains added those styles in the first place?
[20:15:40] <Nikerabbit>	or is it you?
[20:15:54] <almaghi>	no it is not.
[20:15:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make settings of abusefilter available to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19902 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (raimond.spekking)
[20:16:11] <almaghi>	http://glk.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C%3AMonobook.css&diff=9550&oldid=7807
[20:16:17] <almaghi>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:AminSanaei
[20:16:30] <almaghi>	ok he has found how tro deal with this
[20:17:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make settings of abusefilter available to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19902  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[20:17:07] <Nikerabbit>	first he copies some random css, and then doesn't know how to make font bigger?
[20:17:26] <almaghi>	I am not sure about the timeline
[20:17:53] <^demon>	Wow, I'm only on 316 open bugs. Feels like it should be so much more.
[20:18:47] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r53695 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Pager.php): * (bug 16009) Limit selection forms based on Pager now links to the correct page when using long urls
[20:18:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Extra title param tacked onto page limits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16009  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:19:09] <almaghi>	^demon: Wow.... How many on MediaWiki product?
[20:19:15] <almaghi>	Wow.... How many on MediaWiki extensions product?
[20:19:45] <^demon>	238 of those are on MW core, the others are scattered between extensions, WMF stuff, etc.
[20:20:16] <almaghi>	First fix those ! :D
[20:20:34] <^demon>	Emufarmers_: Try /msg'ing again, freenode webchat is stupid and won't open it.
[20:20:47] <Emufarmers_>	v:
[20:21:28] <^demon>	Dammit. Still won't open. Feel free to say in-channel if it's not private or shoot me an e-mail if it is.
[20:21:44] <Emufarmers_>	:v
[20:21:49] <Emufarmers_>	Why are you using webchat?
[20:21:55] <^demon>	Work proxy.
[20:22:12] <Emufarmers_>	You can't do that with a client?
[20:22:29] <^demon>	Proxy only allows port 80 traffic.
[20:22:48] <^demon>	Which means I'd have to setup an outside box to forward me, not worth my time.
[20:22:53] <Emufarmers_>	:(
[20:23:10] <^demon>	ialex: Is bug 18827 related to the fix you just did?
[20:23:25] <ialex>	!b 18827
[20:23:25] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18827
[20:24:06] <ialex>	^demon: maybe
[20:24:13] <^demon>	Maybe, probably not :)
[20:24:14] *ialex 	checks
[20:24:57] <almaghi>	     2440 bugs found.          on CORE,      858 bugs found on extensions.         When you release a MediaWiki is there still that much opened bug?
[20:25:10] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r53696 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/ReaderFeedback.sql: Fix syntax error
[20:25:11] <^demon>	Yeah, that number never goes down.
[20:25:24] <^demon>	Each week, more bugs are opened than closed. It's kind of depressing, really.
[20:25:28] <NeKit>	I have a strange glitch with MediaWiki: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4083/sonicscanfinfo124837787.png
[20:25:28] <NeKit>	It appears suddenly and dissapear after update page in browser with Ctrl+Shift+R or commanding ?action=purge
[20:25:28] <almaghi>	ok. Thanks.
[20:25:48] <ialex>	^demon: yeah
[20:27:28] <ialex>	^demon: <form action="/phase3/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial:Versions_supprim%C3%A9es&amp;type=revision&amp;target=Accueil" method="post" id="mw-history-revdeleteform" style="visibility:hidden;float:right;">
[20:27:32] <ialex>	it's correct now
[20:27:36] <^demon>	Yay
[20:27:45] <ialex>	(method="post")
[20:28:24] <NeKit>	how should I ask?
[20:28:26] <almaghi>	And do you beleive there are many of those opened bug that are "invalid" or "wont fix". What percent ?
[20:28:49] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r53697 10/branches/REL1_15/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.sql: Backport r53696: fix fatal syntax error
[20:28:51] <^demon>	almaghi: Depends on who you ask. Some people (like myself) are much more liberal with WONTFIX than others.
[20:39:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PageHistory.php deleterevision <form> breaks on ugly URL wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18827  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:45:04] <Emufarmers_>	^demon: foundation-l :-|
[20:45:38] <NeKit>	I have a strange glitch with MediaWiki: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4083/sonicscanfinfo124837787.png
[20:45:38] <NeKit>	It appears suddenly and dissapear after update page in browser with Ctrl+Shift+R or commanding ?action=purge
[20:46:36] <Reedy>	http://blog.expandrive.com/2009/07/23/awesome-mediawiki-bug/
[20:47:00] <Reedy>	lol
[20:48:18] <Emufarmers_>	NeKit: install ParserFunctions; get the necessary templates; get a skin that works; remove broken extensions
[20:49:08] <Cain>	Hi, is there any mirror to get mediawiki (the link on mediawiki.org does not respond) ?
[20:49:30] <NeKit>	Emufarmers_: but it happens even on a clean install
[20:50:01] <Emufarmers_>	NeKit: doesn't look very clean to me
[20:50:17] <Emufarmers_>	Cain: what do you want to download?
[20:50:29] <NeKit>	Emufarmers_: try to update page
[20:50:33] <Cain>	http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.15/mediawiki-1.15.1.tar.gz
[20:50:38] <Cain>	this one
[20:50:44] <Emufarmers_>	Cain: seems to be working
[20:50:48] <Emufarmers_>	NeKit: what?
[20:50:51] <NeKit>	Emufarmers_: http://info.sonicscanf.ru/
[20:50:51] <Cain>	Le serveur � l'adresse download.wikimedia.org met trop de temps � r�pondre.
[20:50:57] <NeKit>	it works now
[20:51:15] <NeKit>	but suddenly bug appear again and again
[20:52:18] <Cain>	Emufarmers : can you upload it somewhere else ? so i can download it (the link worked 5 minutes ago but not anymore :/)
[20:53:35] <Emufarmers_>	Cain:	http://toolserver.org/~alexz/mediawiki-1.15.1.tar.gz
[20:54:03] <Emufarmers_>	NeKit: maybe you have the wrong version of ParserFunctions?  Maybe your skin just doesn't work properly?
[20:54:26] <NeKit>	http://info.sonicscanf.ru/wiki/index.php?title=%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0&action=purge
[20:54:42] <Cain>	Emufarmers : thx ^^
[20:54:55] <Emufarmers_>	Also, maybe you need Tidy
[20:55:09] <NeKit>	Emufarmers_: what is it?
[20:55:14] <Emufarmers_>	!tidy
[20:55:14] --mwbot--	HTML Tidy is an extermal application that cleans up HTML for XHTML compliance (such as bad user input like <table><tr></td></table>). Prior to the new preprocessor in 1.12 it was also needed for distributed, transcluded, or conditional HTML, or mixed HTML and wikitables, but newer versions allow it without Tidy. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>
[20:59:50] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r53698 10/tags/extensions/SemanticForms/REL_1_8/: Tag for version 1.8
[21:03:21] <mike_jh>	Anyone ever had trouble when using the API with it writing to a page called "Api.php" rather than the title= page?
[21:05:39] <NeKit>	Emufarmers_: http://info.sonicscanf.ru/
[21:05:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create wiki for Wikimedia Ukraine - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19533  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[21:06:00] <NeKit>	I turned Tidy on, but it don't work
[21:06:30] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r53699 10/trunk/extensions/CooperationStatistics/CooperationStatistics_body.php: (bug 19817) Make Special:CooperationStatistics includable, based on a patch by Alfred Maghi
[21:06:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) CooperationStatistics - includable charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19817  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:07:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CooperationStatistics - includable charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19817  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:09:04] <Emufarmers_>	NeKit: you haven't configured it properly and/or your system isn't properly configured.
[21:09:16] <Emufarmers_>	Or perhaps you don't have Tidy installed
[21:12:07] <NeKit>	Emufarmers_: it doesn't come with MW?
[21:13:55] <Emufarmers_>	No: read the page I linked you to
[21:29:07] <CIA-70>	03dale * r53700 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HttpFunctions.php: 
[21:29:07] <CIA-70>	fixes bug 19736
[21:29:07] <CIA-70>	If you did not have the wgServer var set manually the internal shell request for the download would result in localhost being used for the API result url.
[21:29:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) JS2 remote upload links to wrong location - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19736  +comment (10dale)
[21:31:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create wiki for Wikimedia Ukraine - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19533  (10Ahonc.ua)
[21:32:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries displayed in the wrong language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19836  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:36:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SimpleSecurity - broken with trunk version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19842  (10alfred.maghi)
[21:39:53] <ialex>	can someone explain me the issue in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19844 ?
[21:40:43] <mike_jh>	Yeah, basically what it is is that when you change the language in the config file, what comes out in the log files is still English
[21:41:43] <ialex>	in Special:Log
[21:41:45] <ialex>	?
[21:42:37] <mike_jh>	Well, that's a good question, it doesn't say
[21:42:52] <mike_jh>	Email Leinad and ask him
[21:43:06] <mike_jh>	I would guess so though, I can't think of anywhere else it logs to
[21:43:34] <mike_jh>	That said, there might be another log hiding somewhere, I'm not all that familiar with MediaWiki
[21:54:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CooperationStatistics - fewer functions, fewer lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19904 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (alfred.maghi)
[21:54:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) add components to MediaWiki extensions in Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19903 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (alfred.maghi)
[21:55:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Incorrect language of log enteries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19844  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[21:58:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CooperationStatistics - fewer functions, fewer lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19904  (10alfred.maghi)
[21:58:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits still appear in Special:DeletedContributions and Special:Undelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19725  summary; +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[22:02:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sysop undeletion removes revision deletion restrictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19905 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (mike.lifeguard)
[22:06:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create wiki for Wikimedia Ukraine - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19533  (10mike.lifeguard)
[22:16:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add components to MediaWiki extensions in Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19903  (10innocentkiller)
[22:19:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries displayed in the wrong language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19836  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[22:21:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppressed edits still appear in Special:DeletedContributions and Special:Undelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19725  (10wikipedia_emails-nachfrage)
[22:24:13] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) add components to MediaWiki extensions in Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19903  +comment (10alfred.maghi)
[22:24:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add a label for the MediaWiki Extension Environment - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19102  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:25:20] <Simetrical>	Okay, I bet I could get watchlist RSS feeds working within an hour.
[22:25:33] <Simetrical>	. . . too bad I don't have an hour.
[22:25:37] <Simetrical>	Let's try twenty minutes.
[22:26:34] <^demon>	almaghi: You don't need to resolve LATER, or do you not know the default assignees for those products?
[22:26:38] <^demon>	Simetrical: Go for it.
[22:27:17] *Simetrical 	carefully prods the API code with a stick
[22:28:27] <almaghi>	^demon: there are no assignee at all.  default assignee should be committers right?
[22:28:45] <Simetrical>	I just bet that if I add a link to this to the preferences screen, Domas will suddenly discover that it's a horrible performance problem and disable it.
[22:29:03] <^demon>	almaghi: Not necessarily, just whomever is maintaining the extension.
[22:29:05] <almaghi>	Do default assignees must be committers?
[22:29:08] <almaghi>	Ok
[22:29:14] <Simetrical>	Generally, though, yes . . .
[22:29:49] <^demon>	As long as it's going to someone who cares and will fix the bugs, that's all that matters IMO
[22:30:22] <MrZ-man>	presumably it shouldn't be much worse than the normal watchlist (HTML) output
[22:34:36] <Simetrical>	MrZ-man, you'd think so, huh?
[22:34:47] <Simetrical>	^demon, how can you fix bugs in things that are in SVN, if you don't have commit access?
[22:35:01] <^demon>	You submit a patch and bug someone with commit access
[22:35:58] <Simetrical>	'wllimit' => (50 > $wgFeedLimit) ? $wgFeedLimit : 50
[22:36:22] <Simetrical>	I hate this type of code.  I always have to spend 30 seconds figuring out if it means min(50, $wgFeedLimit) or max(50, $wgFeedLimit).
[22:36:37] <Simetrical>	In this case it's min(), I guess.
[22:36:55] <^demon>	Yeah
[22:37:38] <Annemarie>	So comment it. :P
[22:37:49] <Simetrical>	No, I should fix it to use max() or min().
[22:38:15] <^demon>	Why space on a comment when you can write shorter code that's more clear?
[22:38:22] <^demon>	*Why waste
[22:38:26] <GreenReaper>	*clearer
[22:38:39] <Annemarie>	It's less work.
[22:38:52] <^demon>	It's a 1 line change either way. Simetrical's right.
[22:39:05] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) add components to MediaWiki extensions in Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19903  +comment (10alfred.maghi)
[22:39:06] *GreenReaper 	likes tenaries but agrees that's a bit confusing.
[22:39:41] <^demon>	GreenReaper: They're great for a lot of cases, comparing integers to pick a max (or min) is stupid...when you can just use max/min :)
[22:40:27] *OverlordQ 	does a lot of $beans = defined($blah) ? $blah : $default_value
[22:40:30] <almaghi>	I'd like a dev to <s>car of</s> assign itself to UsageStatistics.  Isn't it a usefull component? :]
[22:41:05] <^demon>	almaghi: Who wrote it?
[22:41:20] <almaghi>	it is Robert something
[22:41:21] <almaghi>	2s
[22:41:40] <almaghi>	 * @author Paul Grinberg <gri6507@yahoo.com>
[22:41:40] <almaghi>	 * @copyright Copyright © 2007, Paul Grinberg
[22:43:12] <^demon>	almaghi: Well I'm not going to make him the assignee without his consent. Get him to comment on the bug or something. The other two I can go ahead and do.
[22:44:22] <almaghi>	Ok I'll mail him, we'll see.
[22:49:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add components to MediaWiki extensions in Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19903  (10innocentkiller)
[22:50:29] <Simetrical>	@param $errorCode string Error code
[22:50:36] *Simetrical 	glares at whoever documented that
[22:50:39] <Simetrical>	Or didn't, as the case may be.
[22:51:07] <Skizzerz>	aren't error codes usually integers?
[22:51:26] <Skizzerz>	er, why is that a param o.O
[22:51:41] <Simetrical>	It's dieUsage() in the API.
[22:51:42] <Skizzerz>	lack of context == confusing
[22:51:54] <Simetrical>	The problem is it doesn't say WTF the error code actually does or should look like.
[22:52:04] <Skizzerz>	ah
[22:52:09] <atglenn>	well, a string :-P
[22:52:10] <Skizzerz>	that's why we have our good friend grep
[22:52:24] <Skizzerz>	to find examples :D
[22:52:35] <Simetrical>	I can see examples, I still don't know what the strings mean.
[22:52:41] <Simetrical>	They maybe refer to messages?
[22:52:43] <Simetrical>	But I don't know.
[22:53:53] <Simetrical>	$this->dieUsage("Incorrect parameter - mutually exclusive values may not be supplied", 'show');
[22:53:55] <Simetrical>	???
[22:54:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) extension to list pages with the most revisors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19632  +comment (10alfred.maghi)
[22:54:33] <Emufarmers>	^demon, brion-oscon: any reason I shouldn't make $wgMemoryLimit be in megabytes?
[22:54:47] <Simetrical>	Emufarmers, to match PHP's memory_limit?
[22:54:53] <Simetrical>	Not that I have any idea what $wgMemoryLimit is.
[22:54:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new extension: cooperation statstics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19665  (10alfred.maghi)
[22:55:01] <Emufarmers>	Simetrical: wel, that would be a reason. :)
[22:55:16] <atglenn>			throw new UsageException($description, $this->encodeParamName($errorCode), $httpRespCode);
[22:55:22] <atglenn>	that's what it does
[22:55:44] <Emufarmers>	But it would be nice to be able to set something to 50 for once instead of having to go 50 * 1024 * 1024 :)
[22:55:59] <Simetrical>	atglenn, yeah, I figured that out.  And I looked at UsageException too.  And I'm still not sure what I should put there.
[22:56:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CooperationStatistics - fewer functions, fewer lines - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19904  (10alfred.maghi)
[22:56:09] <Simetrical>	Emufarmers, you could support '50M' syntax like PHP does.
[22:56:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CooperationStatistics - includable charts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19817  (10alfred.maghi)
[22:56:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) new extension: cooperation statstics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19665  (10alfred.maghi)
[22:56:49] <Emufarmers>	Simetrical: I *could* :\
[22:56:55] <brion-oscon>	PHP's memory limit is either in bytes
[22:57:04] <brion-oscon>	OR a number followed by a suffix
[22:57:09] <Emufarmers>	Yes
[22:57:10] <brion-oscon>	same as their other limits
[22:57:13] <Emufarmers>	So we should follow that?
[22:57:14] <brion-oscon>	basically, i hate php
[22:57:17] <Emufarmers>	:)
[22:58:47] <atglenn>	so put something in there (like 'token') and see what it does
[22:58:49] <Simetrical>	brion-oscon, are you or anyone else planning on looking at the 18 commit access requests dating back three months?
[22:58:57] <Simetrical>	Because that's a lot of coding that could have gotten done.
[22:59:06] <Simetrical>	atglenn, yeah, I'm going to do that and see what breaks.  :)
[22:59:12] <atglenn>	perfect :-) 
[22:59:16] <Emufarmers>	And a lot of code that would need to be reviewed
[22:59:17] *Emufarmers 	runs
[22:59:42] <^demon>	Simetrical: Some of them are obvious no's
[22:59:45] <Simetrical>	I think the second parameter is a message . . .
[22:59:49] <Simetrical>	^demon, well, yes.
[22:59:51] <Simetrical>	(cough, jidanni)
[22:59:56] <Emufarmers>	Doesn't mean they should have to sit in suspense
[23:00:26] <brion-oscon>	Simetrical: yep
[23:00:40] <brion-oscon>	more generally though i'm gonna start experimenting more with git :)
[23:00:43] <Simetrical>	brion-oscon, are you or anyone else planning on looking at them *soon*?
[23:00:45] <Simetrical>	brion-oscon, awesome!
[23:01:20] <roberthl>	Who is the mentor for the guy creating the Maps extension?
[23:01:26] <Emufarmers>	Yaron
[23:01:32] <roberthl>	ah
[23:01:33] <^demon>	brion-oscon: Would I be pushing it to wonder when the next complete code review (ie: all t he way to head) might get done?
[23:01:46] <roberthl>	Might be good to use svn externals for the OpenLayers stuff.
[23:01:56] <roberthl>	Unless there is a specific reason for why not.
[23:02:02] <^demon>	roberthl: externals are making extensions slow :-\\
[23:02:13] <roberthl>	^demon: how? :/
[23:02:31] <^demon>	On svn update, I mean.
[23:02:36] <roberthl>	oh ok
[23:02:42] <roberthl>	better than out of date code though
[23:02:55] <roberthl>	there are two complete copied of openlayers in svn at the moment
[23:03:00] *Emufarmers 	wonders where in DefaultSettings.php to actually add the new setting
[23:03:07] <roberthl>	Emufarmers: the end
[23:03:14] <Emufarmers>	Kay
[23:03:19] <roberthl>	a "proper" version in Maps/ and a compacted version in slippymaps/
[23:03:37] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Or near something else relevant.
[23:03:41] <^demon>	Doesn't have to be at the bottom.
[23:03:54] <brion-oscon>	Simetrical: yes, i've just been stuck at meetings or conferences all week and ain't got all the way down the list yet this week :)
[23:06:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sysop undeletion removes revision deletion restrictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19905  (10wikipedia_emails-nachfrage)
[23:17:16] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Cannot use "upload by URL" feature with javascript disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18264  +comment (10dale)
[23:27:32] <CIA-70>	03ashley * r53701 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/UserProfile/SpecialRemoveAvatar.php: fix RemoveAvatar page if wiki isn't using short urls
[23:43:27] <Simetrical>	Okay, it looks like the error code is just an arbitrary unique string.
[23:43:59] <^demon>	You're still trying to document that?
[23:44:49] <Simetrical>	No, I was AFK for most of the time, don't worry.  :P
[23:46:38] <^demon>	Heh ok
[23:50:17] <CIA-70>	03simetrical * r53702 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiBase.php: 
[23:50:17] <CIA-70>	Better documentation for dieUsage()
[23:50:17] <CIA-70>	If I got it wrong, please improve.