[00:00:48] <Simetrical>	The problem with mapping to keys like backspace is if you get used to it . . .
[00:01:01] <cirwin>	true :D
[00:01:04] <Simetrical>	And start randomly popping up context menus or something when you use another computer.  :)
[00:01:33] *Splarka 	hates euro-keyboards with alt-gr
[00:01:48] <Splarka>	can alt-arrow nav history with one hand
[00:02:15] <CIA-69>	03ariel * r53844 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: linkTrail fix for el noted
[00:02:38] <atglenn>	no, but I use the scroll lock led for the indicator, which is nice ( cirwin )
[00:03:02] <Simetrical>	Which indicator?
[00:03:13] <atglenn>	that Im in the other layout
[00:03:36] <atglenn>	I can't seem to train myself to notice anything on the gnome panel (keyboard switcher) but I can notice the led being lit
[00:05:17] <atglenn>	that's a problem on the mac keyboards with no led 
[00:05:33] <chkno>	Hi.  I'm trying to download an extension at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor .  I'm getting the "working copy locked -- run 'svn cleanup'" error for the path /mnt/upload5/private/ExtensionDistributor/mw-snapshot/branches/REL1_15/extensions .
[00:06:14] <^demon>	chkno: Still? When did you try last?
[00:06:42] <chkno>	^demon: three seconds ago?
[00:07:13] <^demon>	Hmmm, I just tried and it works for me. Maybe try flushing your browser cache?
[00:07:16] <CIA-69>	03simetrical * r53845 10/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php: Comment on limitations of wfExpandUrl
[00:09:09] *Soxred93 	thinks that this whole renameuser fiasco would be a lot easier if the revision table didn't use rev_user_text :/
[00:09:16] <CIA-69>	03tparscal * r53846 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Made search icon flip in RTL.
[00:10:38] <chkno>	^demon: Tried flushing browser cache.  I still get svn error.  Specifically, I'm trying to dowload http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor/ParserFunctions
[00:11:00] <CIA-69>	03tparscal * r53847 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/SimpleSearch/SimpleSearch.js: Fixed RTL problem that made the search label apear on the wrong side.
[00:11:29] <^demon>	chkno: Gotcha. Seems like only trunk was fixed :)
[00:11:38] <Simetrical>	Soxred93, and all the other tables, too.
[00:11:46] <^demon>	brion: Were there other SVN repos that needed cleanup for the distributor?
[00:11:47] <Simetrical>	There are like a zillion _user_text fields.
[00:12:28] <Soxred93>	Simetrical: I thought it was the huge revision table that was the main problem
[00:12:45] <Soxred93>	I also thought most tables relied on user_ids, the better way to do it
[00:12:58] <Simetrical>	Some other tables with user_text are fairly huge.
[00:13:16] <Simetrical>	User id's are the better way to do it, but they're slower in some cases.  You have to join to the user table.
[00:15:19] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Downloading from mediawiki.org via Special:ExtensionDistributor is broken due to a SVN lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19889  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[00:21:32] <brion>	^demon: i don't think so, i chmod'd the entire checkout i think
[00:21:55] <brion>	maybe i forgot branches :P
[00:22:04] <brion>	pah
[00:25:29] <CIA-69>	03tparscal * r53848 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/NavigableTOC/NavigableTOC.js: Added dummy jQuery extensions where good code needs to live.
[00:26:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Don't put the search button for the new searchfield in the input field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19950  +comment (10tparscal)
[00:27:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) set up a procedure about activating the "ENotif on changes at own talk pages" feature at WikiMedia foundation wiki's in [[Special:Preferences]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3976  +comment (10federicoleva)
[00:27:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Downloading from mediawiki.org via Special:ExtensionDistributor is broken due to a SVN lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19889  (10brion)
[00:28:01] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Favicon, apple-touch-icon links matching the defaults should not be sent - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19392  (10greenreaper)
[00:28:26] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Supporting thumbnails from the enhanced toolbar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19755  +comment (10tparscal)
[00:31:20] <Simetrical>	GreenReaper, have you asked for commit access yet?  We do seem to have a very large queue . . .
[00:31:34] <GreenReaper>	I have not asked for commit access.
[00:32:00] <Simetrical>	brion, TimStarling, any plans on someone working on the commit access request queue?  It's now over three months old.  Only 19 people to look at . . . http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests
[00:32:18] <Simetrical>	GreenReaper, you should, if you've gotten a few patches accepted already.  You seem highly sane.  :)
[00:33:12] <Skizzerz>	Simetrical: I thought insanity was a requirement for mediawiki development
[00:33:16] <brion>	Simetrical: when i get home and get some food in me
[00:33:20] <brion>	unless tim beats me to it
[00:33:37] <p858snake_>	lies, just trying to get us to forget about it
[00:34:07] <p858snake_>	you could just quick deny jidanni now >.>
[00:34:23] <Skizzerz>	Simetrical: we should probably update the image on the requests page if that isn't the case: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests
[00:34:48] <lanshark>	MrZ-man thanks much
[00:35:05] <p858snake_>	Skizzerz: no because it goes with two of the captions for it
[00:35:14] <p858snake_>	|0="You don't have to be crazy to work here, but it helps."
[00:35:14] <p858snake_>	|1="Seeking developers who are ''committed'' to MediaWiki."
[00:35:21] <Skizzerz>	yeah, I know :P
[00:35:29] <Skizzerz>	it be called joke
[00:35:56] <Simetrical>	p858snake_, is this reply a model of diplomacy or what?  \o/  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests#Jidanni
[00:36:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Downloading from mediawiki.org via Special:ExtensionDistributor is broken due to a SVN lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19889  (10brion)
[00:36:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Upload-by-url fails with JS2 enabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19754  +comment (10dale)
[00:36:10] <p858snake_>	i just started reading that
[00:36:10] *Simetrical 	looks up "joke" in the dictionary
[00:36:35] *Simetrical 	looks up "laughter" and "amusement"
[00:36:51] <^demon>	Simetrical: He means well, it's just better with having a filter between him and svn.
[00:36:53] *Simetrical 	looks up "entertain" and "please"
[00:36:54] <p858snake_>	Simetrical: i would of just gone with [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] or whatever that essay is >.>
[00:37:16] <Simetrical>	Bah, circular definitions!  >:(
[00:37:18] <MrZ-man>	we could always reformat the page like RFA on enwiki :P
[00:37:38] <Simetrical>	I've been considering filing a third RFA.
[00:37:39] <^demon>	With !votes and everything?
[00:37:43] <Simetrical>	It would come in handy once in a while.
[00:38:03] <MrZ-man>	maybe some clerks to, just for the hell of it
[00:38:05] <MrZ-man>	*too
[00:38:12] <Nathan_R_Cda>	Hi, sorry to cut in. Just wondering if the ExtensionDistributor is supposed to be working now or not? I don't see it mentioned in the MotD anymore and the svn error http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor gives has changed.
[00:38:21] <^demon>	MrZ-man: We'll be needing a MW.org ArbCom shortly thereafter
[00:38:29] <p858snake_>	Nathan_R_Cda: its getting there
[00:38:39] <p858snake_>	just try it and see if it works for what you want
[00:38:44] <Simetrical>	Nathan_R_Cda, it's always *supposed* to be working.  :D
[00:38:51] <^demon>	It works for trunk, some branches are broken at the moment :)
[00:38:58] <Simetrical>	Has anyone figured out how to stop it from breaking all the time?
[00:39:03] <Simetrical>	It's kind of stupid.
[00:39:18] <Nathan_R_Cda>	Ahh. Me and my MW 1.12 will have to wait, maybe I'll check out some books on patience xD
[00:39:24] <p858snake_>	Simetrical: hit the people that brake the svn then >.>
[00:39:41] <Simetrical>	Yes, but how does it break in the first place?
[00:39:49] <Simetrical>	Nathan_R_Cda, you can just get it directly from SVN if you want.
[00:40:33] <Nathan_R_Cda>	Yeah, I guess so. Maybe I'll poke around a bit, that would probably be good for me anyway.
[00:41:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Subpages, logo, and default skin for Strategy Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19962 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (eekim)
[00:42:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Subpages, logo, and default skin for Strategy Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19962   +shell (10innocentkiller)
[00:43:23] <Nathan_R_Cda>	Oh dang. I can browse the SVN in firefox? I thought I'd have to shake the rust off my console svn skills, it's kind of embarassing how easy it is :)
[00:43:28] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Tool icon for indentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19757  +comment (10pvora)
[00:44:37] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Email address not returned in user options - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17626  (10greenreaper)
[00:45:38] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) RSS/Atom feeds use fully-qualified URIs rather than relative ones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16357  (10greenreaper)
[00:45:52] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Wasteful tabs, var statements in global variables script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19382  (10greenreaper)
[00:45:59] <Nathan_R_Cda>	Okay p858snake_, Simetrical, ^demon, thanks for the help!
[00:46:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Subpages, logo, and default skin for Strategy Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19962  +comment (10brion)
[00:46:07] <Led_Zeppelin>	are there any good Plotting extensions with mediawiki? with the exception of GNUplot? 
[00:47:39] <brion>	----------   1 extdist  extdist        0 Oct 30  1991 lock
[00:47:40] <brion>	wtf
[00:48:12] <MrZ-man>	ExtensionDistrbutor can travel back in time?
[00:48:49] *brion 	stab stab stab
[00:49:22] <p858snake_>	http://serverfault.com/questions/46617/setting-up-a-wiki-from-raw-files if anyone is intrested in commenting
[00:49:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Downloading from mediawiki.org via Special:ExtensionDistributor is broken due to a SVN lock - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19889  (10brion)
[00:49:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Subpages, logo, and default skin for Strategy Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19962  (10eekim)
[00:51:56] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) is_khtml can be triggered by Chrome with <!DOCTYPE html> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19557  +comment (10greenreaper)
[00:52:33] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) X-Vary-Options header should be configurable, not sent to users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19849  (10greenreaper)
[00:54:22] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Remove the name attribute from header <a> tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19576  +comment (10greenreaper)
[00:56:16] <mooncup>	hey
[00:56:30] <mooncup>	Is there an easy way to get the ip of a user?
[00:57:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) is_khtml can be triggered by Chrome with <!DOCTYPE html> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19557  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:58:15] <Simetrical>	mooncup, what level of access do you have?  You can read it from recentchanges in the database, or install the CheckUser extension, if they've edited recently.
[00:59:02] <mooncup>	I've not got access to the database, but I have full admin privs. on the wiki
[00:59:11] <mooncup>	I presumed there would be a simple way to check, obviously not
[01:06:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) HTTP (gzip) compression not enabled on wikipedia.org front page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15944  +comment (10greenreaper)
[01:06:37] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) HTTP (gzip) compression not enabled on wikipedia.org front page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15944  (10greenreaper)
[01:14:24] <Simetrical>	GreenReaper, you don't have to do CLOSED, we don't really use it.  We just use RESOLVED.
[01:16:26] <GreenReaper>	OK. Was just trying to tidy up after myself. I was taught that the submitter (and only them) has to close the bug if it's resolved. <g>
[01:25:07] <CIA-69>	03dale * r53849 10/trunk/extensions/WikiAtHome/ (5 files): more wiki@home stubs
[01:28:13] <CIA-69>	03dale * r53850 10/trunk/extensions/WikiAtHome/WikiAtHome.sql: initial db schema
[01:53:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Subpages, logo, and default skin for Strategy Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19962  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[02:14:05] <Triplestop>	i have a question, when does the interwiki link map update?
[02:24:34] <carl-m>	Triplestop: I do not think it is automatic
[02:24:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hide globally hidden user names on Special:Log/globalauth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18183  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[02:24:50] <carl-m>	but you can use maintenance/wikipedia-interwiki.sql to update it
[02:27:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please log IPs for accounts created by an account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19963 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (mike.lifeguard)
[02:30:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please log IPs for accounts created by an account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19963  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[02:31:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please provide user links in Get edits from IP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19964 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (mike.lifeguard)
[02:32:13] <Triplestop>	who can do it? its been several months
[02:33:16] <p858snake_>	just file a bugzilla report requesting it be run with a good reason attached to it
[02:33:47] <carl-m>	Triplestop: if you do, put "shell" as a keyword
[02:34:07] <Triplestop>	ok
[02:34:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please log IPs for accounts created by an account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19963  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[02:54:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Method to more easily update the translations at SPI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18975  +comment (10tstarling)
[02:56:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" doesn't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19913  (10i.am.putnik)
[02:58:18] <Simetrical>	Why is $wgMainCacheType = CACHE_NONE by default instead of CACHE_ANYTHING?
[03:01:11] <TimStarling>	because by default, CACHE_ANYTHING loads things out of the database one item at a time
[03:01:32] <TimStarling>	which is no faster than a cache miss for the typical applications of $wgMemc
[03:02:01] <Simetrical>	Then why not CACHE_ANYTHING_BUT_DATABASE or something?
[03:02:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please log IPs for accounts created by an account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19963  (10mrzmanwiki)
[03:02:30] <TimStarling>	yeah...
[03:04:01] <TimStarling>	what would the point be exactly?
[03:05:16] <Simetrical>	To automatically use APC or such wherever possible, if available.
[03:05:35] <TimStarling>	because mediawiki doesn't segfault enough?
[03:05:52] <TimStarling>	it's an option in the installer if people want their wikis to crash more often
[03:05:53] <Simetrical>	So is it a bad idea to set that to CACHE_ANYTHING if you have APC or whatever installed?
[03:07:14] <TimStarling>	it depends on what your priorities are
[03:07:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Censored data may be available through RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19965 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (triplestop123)
[03:07:53] <TimStarling>	if you need performance more than stability, then using APC like that would be a good idea
[03:08:10] <Triplestop>	^^^ pretty big bug up there
[03:08:32] <Simetrical>	Wikipedia uses CACHE_ANYTHING with memcached, or what?
[03:10:10] <TimStarling>	no, Wikipedia uses CACHE_MEMCACHED
[03:11:16] <Simetrical>	Er, right.
[03:13:56] <CIA-69>	03brion * r53851 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/Export.php: Merge r53271 from trunk -- <redirect/> for export XML
[03:19:09] <CIA-69>	03simetrical * r53852 10/trunk/phase3/docs/distributors.txt: 
[03:19:09] <CIA-69>	Add tips to Linux distributors to docs/
[03:19:09] <CIA-69>	After some discussion with Fedora's mediawiki maintainer, I thought this
[03:19:09] <CIA-69>	would be helpful. Probably it could use improvement in a variety of
[03:19:09] <CIA-69>	ways, but it's a start.
[03:19:10] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, you'd probably have some useful feedback on that.
[03:24:17] *Simetrical 	looks at brion and [[Commit access requests]], and wonders if brion has gotten home and fed himself yet
[03:26:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please log IPs for accounts created by an account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19963  (10mike.lifeguard)
[03:26:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please log IPs for accounts created by an account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19963  (10mike.lifeguard)
[03:26:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Censored data may be available through RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19965  (10mike.lifeguard)
[03:26:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Censored data may be available through RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19965  (10triplestop123)
[03:31:17] <CIA-69>	03dale * r53853 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_stream.js: fixed load order
[03:31:59] <CIA-69>	03brion * r53854 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/specials/SpecialUndelete.php: Merge r53715 (bug 19905) Clean up revdelete/restore interaction
[03:35:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	mmm, hot :D
[03:41:37] <CIA-69>	03brion * r53855 10/branches/wmf-deployment/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Commit mysterious live hacks, apparently courtesy of Domas?
[03:42:16] <CIA-69>	03brion * r53856 10/branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/deleteSelfExternals.php: commit live hack from Domas
[03:43:40] <p858snake_>	Simetrical: uaslly helps if brion is in the channel when you say that >.>
[03:57:42] <Ryan_Lane>	I'm looking to make an extension that modifies article text on page save, but I only want to do it on pages that have an extension tag, what is the best way to do this without parsing every page as it is saved?
[03:59:18] <Splarka>	sounds impossible, unless it bases the directive to pre-save-transform based on the previous extension-tag state 
[04:00:03] <Splarka>	(er, impossible to not have it do any PST except when an extension tag exists that is... *shrug*)
[04:00:18] <Ryan_Lane>	damn. i was hoping to make this fairly non-expensive. looks like I can't avoid that
[04:02:30] <Ryan_Lane>	I was thinking I could add a flag to the parser when the tag hook is called, then check for the flag's existance when the ArticleSave hook is called, but the flag is missing in the ArticleSave hook
[04:03:54] <Ryan_Lane>	i'm assuming something strange happens to the parser somewhere in between. (it is kind of a dirty hack anyway)
[04:11:23] <Ryan_Lane>	Gah. ArticleSave gets run before the tag does...
[04:12:25] <Splarka>	yah, which is why I thought it would probably be hard to do that
[04:12:55] <Ryan_Lane>	How does that possibly make any sense?
[04:13:14] <Splarka>	PST is only run on save, parsing can be done without saving
[04:13:45] <Ryan_Lane>	I'm going to have to add a new hook for this aren't I?
[04:13:54] <Splarka>	I don't think that will help
[04:14:03] <Splarka>	you're wanting to alter the text in the middle of saving?
[04:14:09] <Splarka>	or in the middle of parsing?
[04:14:41] <Ryan_Lane>	ah, crap. i see what you mean now
[04:15:30] <Ryan_Lane>	yeah, this is likely impossible
[04:16:02] <Splarka>	suggest you make a magic word like __FOOBAR__ that does nothing
[04:16:05] <Splarka>	and then regex for it in PST
[04:16:17] <Splarka>	shouldn't be too expensive
[04:16:29] <Splarka>	__ICANHASPSTPLZ__
[04:16:37] <Ryan_Lane>	heh. that'll work
[04:16:44] <Ryan_Lane>	thanks for the help
[04:16:47] <Splarka>	but also register it as a magic word to simply remove it from output
[04:17:02] <Ryan_Lane>	well, I'll just make a real magic word and use that instead of a tag
[04:17:12] <Ryan_Lane>	i don't *really* need the tag
[04:17:56] <Ryan_Lane>	semantic forms is going to insert the tag/magic word anyway. end-users should ideally never see it
[04:24:51] <Soxred93>	!hesaidsemantic | Soxred93 
[04:24:51] --mwbot--	Soxred93: http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[04:29:31] <Ryan_Lane>	Soxred93: ;)
[04:31:56] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) create a new list for dispute resolution issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19414  +comment (10cbass)
[05:23:16] <Usama>	hello, after I exprted some pages the "<>" removed from "<br/>", any idea?
[05:28:52] <Usama>	is there some way to search and replace a text in all wiki pages?
[05:34:28] <domas>	usama: search functionality + bot :)
[05:43:31] <CIA-69>	03tstarling * r53857 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/ (cli/dump.php includes/Election.php includes/Entity.php): 
[05:43:31] <CIA-69>	* Don't include GPG keys in a jump dump
[05:43:31] <CIA-69>	* Fixed dump.php usage message
[05:50:31] <TimStarling>	Usama: that's a known bug, it comes from using bad linux distros
[06:05:22] <CIA-69>	03tstarling * r53858 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/SecurePoll/ (34 files in 4 dirs): Merging SecurePoll changes from trunk, r52089 to r52858. For Board election.
[06:11:38] <fotoflo>	hey
[06:12:03] <fotoflo>	AaronSchulz: im having another problem with RequestAccount
[06:12:26] <fotoflo>	1267: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_bin,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' (localhost)”
[06:12:33] <fotoflo>	“efCheckIfAccountNameIsPending”
[06:12:51] <CIA-69>	03tstarling * r53859 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/cli/wm-scripts/ (6 files): Committing Wikimedia-specific scripts for the 2009 Board election.
[06:14:06] <fotoflo>	when entering Chinese user names\
[06:30:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate RevisionDelete for sysops on dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19697  (10wiki)
[06:37:57] <najevi>	I just read about http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NamespacePermissions and am wondering if the functionality of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Import can be enabled for regular (i.e. not sysop) users for one custom namespace but not for any of the 16 or so default namespaces?  The relevant permission appears to be the *import* permission. 
[06:39:03] <najevi>	The target wiki is a wikia hosted site so they may impose some additional limitations however, here I simply want to learn if it is possible for MediaWiki based sites.
[06:49:08] <Nikerabbit>	$this->do_close_session_update = ( isset( $opt['do_close_session_update'] ) ) ? true : false;
[06:53:41] <Nikerabbit>	hmm I didn't know isset can take multiple variables
[06:54:21] <CIA-69>	03nikerabbit * r53860 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HttpFunctions.php: 
[06:54:21] <CIA-69>	* formatSize is not static
[06:54:21] <CIA-69>	* isset returns bool
[07:04:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MediaWiki:License used for two different purposes: should use two different messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19966 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (lupo.bugzilla)
[07:04:29] <CIA-69>	03nikerabbit * r53861 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEl.php: Add u to regex modifiers since we are dealing with unicode. Followup to r53842
[07:07:45] <CIA-69>	03nikerabbit * r53862 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Followup to r53844, move to correct section and use common style
[07:15:03] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: you're skewed towards mailing lists
[07:15:15] <Nikerabbit>	I do follow both, but I rarely post anything to the lists
[07:49:56] <silentNinja>	morning
[07:50:21] <silentNinja>	how do i create a link to a category page in an article instead of categorizing that article?
[07:52:49] <OverlordQ>	prefix it with a colon
[07:55:19] <silentNinja>	ta
[08:47:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add link to CodeReview to mediawiki-cvs e-mails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19953  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[08:59:59] <Nikerabbit>	backlinks:0021c24f98847dafca062514df1a4288:templatelinks:500
[09:00:00] <Nikerabbit>	wth
[09:10:43] <zomaho>	[global-notice] you all probably gay. for test join #wikipedia-ru and ask vvv or AlexSm
[09:11:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colours in the mediawiki Allmessages page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7006  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[09:16:14] <Nikerabbit>	head'splode
[09:17:17] *Splarka 	scoops up Nikerabbit's brainfluff and puts it in a jar
[09:19:04] <Nikerabbit>	and what tis what Splarka today fixed want?
[09:19:37] *Splarka 	puts in a spelling and grammar checker in the base of the jar
[09:20:15] <Splarka>	hmm, and maybe an autoconversion en-yoda -> en-gb
[09:21:31] <CIA-69>	03nikerabbit * r53863 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: Use plural
[09:22:01] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: ja mitä haluaisit korjata tänään?
[09:25:34] <Splarka>	Tee PHP ei imevät
[09:27:22] <str4nd>	Machine translation :D
[09:28:25] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: invalid worksforme
[09:29:18] <Splarka>	reopened <ref>http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Splarka/PHP</ref>
[09:29:27] <Splarka>	unless it "works" for you
[09:29:29] <Splarka>	heh heh
[09:29:31] <Splarka>	brb
[09:35:04] <CIA-69>	03daniel * r53864 10/trunk/WikiWord/ (6 files in 4 dirs): testing & fixing: commons, interwiki, etc
[09:39:32] <Nikerabbit>	$hugearray[$key] = array( $hugearray[$key], &$id );
[09:39:43] <Nikerabbit>	creates some nice recursion
[09:39:50] <Nikerabbit>	rainman-sr: can you please fix the notice?
[09:40:26] <rainman-sr>	hum?
[09:41:01] <Nikerabbit>	[11:49:18] -rakkaus:#mediawiki-i18n- [28-Jul-2009 08:49:19] PHP Notice:  Undefined offset:  0 in /var/www/w/includes/SearchEngine.php on line 895
[09:41:44] <rainman-sr>	oh... i should be working right now, will do it in the evening
[09:43:53] <najevi>	Does anyone here understand permissions? Specifically, the *import* permission.
[09:57:34] <Brownout>	did someone notice that trying to edit a large watchlist with FF3.5 will hang the browser?
[10:01:28] <alnokta>	which message to edit to change the title of this page? http://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B4_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85:Alnokta&action=edit&section=new  
[10:03:35] <jd_>	hi
[10:05:27] <CIA-69>	03aaron * r53865 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesFeed.php: Skip feed items with deleted content entirely, fixes bug 19965
[10:05:41] <jd_>	I'd like to contribute to a MW I used to edit, but I encounter an error: http://bepo.fr/wiki/MediaWiki:MonoBook.css -- the domain name changed from clavier-dvorak.org to bepo.fr, do you know if this could have mess it up? I don't have access to the server but I may report any advice to the staff :)
[10:05:45] <jd_>	thanks
[10:06:10] <Splarka>	alnokta:  MediaWiki:editingcomment I think?
[10:07:04] <Splarka>	should change <h1> and <title>
[10:08:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Censored data may be available through RSS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19965  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[10:08:23] <CIA-69>	03tstarling * r53866 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/cli/wm-scripts/dumpMetaTranslations.php: Configuration changes
[10:10:11] <alnokta>	Splarka: then why http://tinyurl.com/l3paoz isn't working?
[10:10:39] <Nikerabbit>	yay what a lovely datastructure
[10:11:03] <Nikerabbit>	array of keys => array of references
[10:12:46] <CIA-69>	03tstarling * r53867 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/SecurePoll/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Merging changes to r53866.
[10:15:04] <Splarka>	alnokta: hmm...
[10:15:12] <alnokta>	Splarka: http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2043/titleerr.png
[10:15:56] <Splarka>	I see the rlm in the <h1>
[10:16:17] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: i cannot login completely to betawiki
[10:16:53] <Splarka>	though I don't know why it doesn't work (or know what it should be doing)
[10:17:39] <Splarka>	oh, the <title>
[10:18:50] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: what's up?
[10:19:56] <Splarka>	alnokta: dunno, but it appears there in the <title> *shrug*, sounds like a browser or encoding prob
[10:20:56] <alnokta>	Splarka: take a look now, the braces are good now but the other part is misplaced
[10:21:14] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?59H1Od8M1z2AF9SCvtkSCg  (decoded before you changed)
[10:21:49] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: it detects my language and uses my skin but i cannot edit
[10:23:24] <Splarka>	alnokta: dunno from RTL really, probably have to just keep popping in unicode until it looks good
[10:24:03] <Splarka>	but your edits /are/ affecting the title, so, mission accomplished (sorta)
[10:26:06] <alnokta>	Splarka: yes thx .
[10:26:50] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: are there any RTL-native mw developers? 
[10:35:41] <najevi>	Does any one here have experience using Special:Import ?
[10:39:24] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: dunno
[10:42:28] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: i can edit now
[10:44:46] <Brownout>	Simetrical: about the watchlist RSS feed, I've tried it on a local installation, but I get a wlnotloggein error in a rss reader, works fine in the browser.
[10:48:34] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: can you be more specific than "I cannot edit" ?
[10:50:05] <CIA-69>	03nikerabbit * r53868 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Fix cache invalidation bug
[10:50:30] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: you didn't do anything? so it was fixed spontaneously :)
[10:50:47] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: what was it exactly?
[10:52:13] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: why?
[10:52:59] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: cuz
[10:53:25] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: there is lrm in page titles?
[10:53:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colours in the mediawiki Allmessages page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7006  (10rene.kijewski)
[10:53:39] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: i type my username & password, i get redirected to mainpage with the modern skin and login link still visible... tried another time, it changed to monobook (my skin), so i tried to edit the message i needed, it shows "view source" and i cannot  edit even if i try to login again... now it's fixed
[10:54:31] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: mm dunno
[10:55:10] <Simetrical>	Brownout, what URL are you using, exactly?  Have you set a token in preferences?
[10:55:45] <Brownout>	http://hostname/ws/api.php?action=feedwatchlist&list=watchlist&wluser=Brownout&wltoken=tokenivesetup
[10:56:14] <Simetrical>	Brownout, you need to do wlowner now, on trunk.  Roan pointed out I was misusing wluser.
[10:56:38] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, well, I think things posted to the mailing list are more likely to be read than things posted to Bugzilla, but I could be off.  I used to follow Bugzilla and often felt like I was the only one, plus the traffic is vastly higher.
[10:56:47] <Simetrical>	If you disagree, change my wording.  :)
[10:56:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Profile information for thumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19960  (10hartman)
[10:57:04] <^demon>	G'morning all.
[10:57:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colours in the mediawiki Allmessages page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7006  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:57:20] <AaronSchulz>	yo
[10:57:32] <alnokta>	morning ^demon 
[10:58:22] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: Splarka was referring to this error http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2043/titleerr.png 
[10:58:28] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: I could've sworn they were yellow & green
[10:58:30] <^demon>	FWIW.
[10:58:33] <^demon>	IMHO
[10:58:50] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: is that a bug in mediawiki I should look into?
[10:59:14] <Brownout>	Simetrical: wow, it works. You know what would be great? diff links
[10:59:37] <Simetrical>	Brownout, talk to Roan about that, the API doesn't provide diff links for feeds for some reason.
[10:59:44] <Brownout>	:(
[11:00:13] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: well, if you can, you should but that's just my opinion
[11:00:30] <^demon>	Simetrical: Because they tend to make the server cry.
[11:00:49] <Simetrical>	^demon, I thought diffs were fairly cheap these days.
[11:00:53] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: is that a yes?
[11:01:15] <^demon>	Simetrical: That was the understanding I always had why they didn't exist in the API.
[11:01:33] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: yes.
[11:02:07] <Simetrical>	domas, how expensive are diffs these days?
[11:02:10] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: on which page(s)?
[11:02:32] <domas>	simetrical: *shrug*, probably higher cost is fetching revisions than calculating the diffs
[11:02:49] <Simetrical>	Mm.
[11:03:22] <Brownout>	just diff links, not necessarily the contents
[11:03:28] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: all "new sections" on talk pages of latin usernames 
[11:03:55] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: oop, yah, that, I don't think it is a bug, the message seems verbatim in both <title> and <h1>, possibly a browser fudgyness
[11:04:05] <Woosh>	hi
[11:04:33] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) "Move" tab should always be visible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17274  (10innocentkiller)
[11:04:44] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: browsers don't add them for fun
[11:05:08] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: alnokta added it, as &rlm; in the message
[11:05:31] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: wasn't it lrm?
[11:05:34] <Splarka>	and it correctly shows as a U+200F in both title and h1 for me
[11:05:36] <Splarka>	was it?
[11:05:41] <alnokta>	http://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B4_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85:Alnokta&action=edit&section=new  &  http://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E4%DE%C7%D4_%C7%E1%E3%D3%CA%CE%CF%E3:%CA%CC%D1%C8%C9&action=edit&section=new
[11:05:50] <Woosh>	how can i deny all pages in my mediawiki for anonymous visitors but one page... i want to allow reading for this page for all users
[11:05:58] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Make magic word {{CURRENTYEAR}} functional in redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17183  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[11:06:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14323  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[11:06:17] <werdna>	!wg WhitelistRead Woosh 
[11:06:17] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgWhitelistRead
[11:06:26] <Nikerabbit>	does this say anything else than that unicode bidi algorithm sucks arse
[11:06:40] <CIA-69>	03daniel * r53869 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/src/ (12 files in 4 dirs): custom qualifier fields
[11:06:43] <Woosh>	werdna and mwbot thx :)
[11:07:13] <Nikerabbit>	the bot gets more compliments than I do... :(
[11:07:15] <^demon>	!thanks
[11:07:15] --mwbot--	You're welcome. :)
[11:07:47] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: it was a http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200F/index.htm %E2%80%8F &#x200f;	
[11:08:11] <Splarka>	maybe you saw it in rtl, as ;mlr&
[11:08:54] <Nikerabbit>	can someone put 'a { unicode-bidi: embed; }' in some rtl wiki for a while and see if anything break?
[11:09:44] <alnokta>	also while editing sections (arabic usernames good while latin no, look at title):  http://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B4_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85:%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF_%D8%A3%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF_%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%AD&action=edit&section=9             &  http://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%86%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B4_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%AF
[11:10:30] <Nikerabbit>	what is wrong with that?
[11:12:03] <CIA-69>	03aaron * r53870 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PageHistory.php: code formatting
[11:12:29] <alnokta>	the same glitch with the round brackets
[11:12:49] <Steve-Crossin>	Ohai
[11:13:02] <Nikerabbit>	I don't see
[11:13:28] <Splarka>	!cms | Steve-Crossin
[11:13:28] --mwbot--	Steve-Crossin: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[11:13:32] <Splarka>	(etc, heh)
[11:13:51] <werdna>	!worstcase | Steve-Crossin 
[11:13:51] --mwbot--	Steve-Crossin: Generally, the worst that can happen is that someone compromises your site, steals your data, deletes it and replaces it with kiddy porn. Then they start a spam service on your server advertizing the kiddy porn to twenty million email addresses, daily. Then your home gets raided, you get fired and your wife leaves you.
[11:13:52] <Steve-Crossin>	!access
[11:13:52] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[11:14:02] <Nikerabbit>	aww my headache :o
[11:14:02] <Steve-Crossin>	wtf
[11:15:30] <Steve-Crossin>	aw man
[11:15:40] <Steve-Crossin>	!secrets
[11:15:40] --mwbot--	MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. See also !lockdown
[11:15:52] <Steve-Crossin>	!lockdown
[11:15:52] --mwbot--	Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[11:18:19] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: may be this helps  http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6305/editsection.png
[11:22:46] <^demon>	RoanKattouw: How is bug 19937 not a dupe of 17027?
[11:23:17] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, you're right
[11:23:39] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, why does watchlistfeed not provide diffs?
[11:24:00] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: No idea, I must admit I've never even touched that module
[11:24:13] <RoanKattouw>	Does the RC feed provide diffs
[11:24:15] <RoanKattouw>	?
[11:24:30] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[11:24:44] <Duesentrieb>	for the api, this should be an option though
[11:24:48] <Duesentrieb>	hm...
[11:24:56] <RoanKattouw>	Kills caching
[11:25:16] <Duesentrieb>	actually, for the api you would want machine readable diffs, right?
[11:25:21] <Duesentrieb>	unified or some such
[11:25:24] <alnokta>	what do you think of adding a feature that autopages when it reaches a certain size limit? say beyond 60KB, it addes next, previous links.
[11:25:42] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: Yes, and those are pretty much impossible to get efficiently without killing the diff cache
[11:25:49] <thedj>	Duesentrieb: or two modes perhaps unified and html or something ?
[11:26:02] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah that might work
[11:26:20] <thedj>	o right, the diff functionality was removed due to performance issues...
[11:26:28] <RoanKattouw>	But wikidiff's HTML diffs are still unified diffs in disguise
[11:26:45] <RoanKattouw>	Just strip the HTML and you've got something that looks a lot like unified, not sure it's an exact match though
[11:26:45] <Duesentrieb>	are they really?
[11:26:59] <RoanKattouw>	I think @@ ... @@ might not be present
[11:27:09] <Duesentrieb>	stripping that is pretty iffy.
[11:27:13] <Duesentrieb>	been there, done that...
[11:27:23] *thedj 	trying to find more imagemagick wizards...
[11:27:33] <Duesentrieb>	it uses tables for formatting and all that
[11:27:44] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, but that shouldn
[11:27:49] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait
[11:27:51] <RoanKattouw>	It does matter
[11:28:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sysop undeletion removes revision deletion restrictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19905  (10JSchulz_4587)
[11:29:08] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Configuration settings not available via the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19937  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:29:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Output LocalSettings.php Variables via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17027  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:29:25] <^demon>	mid-air collision :p
[11:29:32] <RoanKattouw>	Hehe
[11:30:06] *alnokta 	returns to g translator toolkit
[11:34:18] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Standalone markup-to-HTML translator? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15118  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[11:34:50] <Woosh>	how could i install a form on the start page of my mediawiki to create a new page? i want to input the title of the new page into a text field
[11:35:36] <^demon>	!inputbox
[11:35:36] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Inputbox
[11:35:46] <Woosh>	i mean a html-form with a <input type="text aso.
[11:35:55] <Woosh>	ah cool :) thx
[11:38:05] <^demon>	We should keep a "customers served" count in the topic. Like how McDonalds does on their signs.
[11:38:28] <alnokta>	:)
[11:38:40] <^demon>	Over 1 billion wikis fixed.
[11:39:33] <buzz_>	:)
[11:40:50] <Nikerabbit>	mm I'm hungry
[11:41:07] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=\(|thank\|cheers\|great\|wonderful\)
[11:41:37] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Me too, it's time for breakfast :)
[11:42:08] <Nikerabbit>	lunch+dinner
[11:42:17] <werdna>	splarka's role in #mediawiki: Searching logs and making up songs
[11:44:05] <Splarka>	werdna: http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=\(\(thank\|thx\).*\(Splar\|splar\)\|\(Splar\|splar\).*\(thank\|thx\)\) vs http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=\(\(thank\|thx\).*\(Werd\|werd\)\|\(Werd\|werd\).*\(thank\|thx\)\)
[11:44:29] <buzz_>	i missed breakfast, so its a full english for lunch instead
[11:44:30] <buzz_>	yum
[11:44:39] <Splarka>	leave the money on the dresser
[11:50:47] <werdna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/author/splarka
[11:51:19] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: He doesn't have commit access
[11:51:21] <RoanKattouw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/author/fdsfdasfds
[11:51:43] <werdna>	yes, I know.
[11:57:06] <Splarka>	werdna, "role in #mediawiki"
[11:57:20] <Splarka>	to use your words (unless they are CC-NC)
[11:57:43] <werdna>	Yes, "Splarka's", so we weren't talking about me, either :)
[11:58:00] <Nikerabbit>	CC-ND?
[11:58:36] <^demon>	Time to get ready for work. Later.
[11:59:02] <Splarka>	werdna: but we wern't not talking about ya either
[11:59:24] <werdna>	Then we weren't not talking about oh no I've gone crosseyed
[12:00:52] <avar>	I wonder if brion plans to attend to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests this century :)
[12:01:45] <domas>	heh
[12:02:09] <Splarka>	just stick someone at the bottom of the list who he wants to give commit access to
[12:02:32] <Splarka>	then he can go all diplomatic on the rest with "When hell freezes over"
[12:17:17] <AaronSchulz>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests#Jidanni
[12:24:56] <alnokta>	Betacommand: hi, ltns
[12:25:56] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[12:26:37] <Betacommand>	alnokta: ltns ?
[12:27:18] <Nikerabbit>	long term new stuff
[12:27:44] <alnokta>	long time no see :)
[12:28:08] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: you are "ugh ing" about what ?
[12:28:34] <Nikerabbit>	my headache... still waiting my food to cook in the oven
[12:28:36] <Betacommand>	alnokta: Im always lurking
[12:29:15] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: just eat some sugar 
[12:30:07] <Nikerabbit>	just few minutes still
[12:31:04] <alnokta>	that reminds me, i need tea
[12:35:37] <Nikerabbit>	yummyy
[12:37:16] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Make magic word {{CURRENTYEAR}} functional in redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17183  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[13:02:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Alphabetical ordering in Turkmen language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19967 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (hanberke7)
[13:06:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make magic word {{CURRENTYEAR}} functional in redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17183  (10innocentkiller)
[13:12:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Alphabetical ordering in Turkmen language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19967  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:12:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:12:43] <Nikerabbit>	is this a joke, #164 is "an enhancement" ?
[13:16:01] <^demon>	Arguably, it is an enhancement.
[13:18:42] <Nikerabbit>	arguably that interpretes that we don't give a damn about i18n?
[13:18:59] <flyingparchment>	#164 is a fairly serious bug
[13:19:10] <flyingparchment>	it's just very difficult to fix, so it's easier to call it an RFE and forget about it
[13:20:22] <Nikerabbit>	should be easier than, say, stand-alone parser
[13:23:21] <flyingparchment>	i bet if 'z' and 'j' were sorted before 'a' in English, no one would be called it an enhancement
[13:24:30] <Nikerabbit>	flyingparchment: good idea, should we implement that?
[13:25:21] <flyingparchment>	there are some fun ones though, like 'ch' in welsh
[13:27:03] <flyingparchment>	(sort order a, b, c, ch, d, except that some words start with the separate letters 'c' 'h')
[13:27:21] <RoanKattouw>	That's pretty much impossible to get right computationally
[13:27:28] <flyingparchment>	yes
[13:27:56] <flyingparchment>	most people ignore it and just sort 'c' 'h' wrongly, since it's quite uncommon
[13:28:01] <flyingparchment>	(only seen in loan words)
[13:28:21] <Nikerabbit>	bah
[13:28:36] <Nikerabbit>	if computers can inflect finnish they can sort few words
[13:28:50] <flyingparchment>	the only way to do this is with a word list, and it's never going to be complete
[13:29:03] <werdna>	rainman-sr: are you still around?
[13:29:06] <RoanKattouw>	Those kinds of things tend to disappear in my experience, though. Dutch used to sort 'ij' as 'y', but gave up after 1990 or so
[13:29:57] <rainman-sr>	werdna, almost
[13:30:02] <Nikerabbit>	flyingparchment: wikipedia is never complete... should we not do it?
[13:30:58] <werdna>	rainman-sr: when you get a chance, I'm getting myself this error: 258  [main] FATAL org.wikimedia.lsearch.importer.Importer  - Cannot store link analytics: laptop_dev_wiki (No such file or directory)
[13:37:05] <Evet>	how can I 
[13:37:24] <Evet>	how can I save my wiki from editing abuse
[13:37:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make magic word {{CURRENTYEAR}} functional in redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17183  (10b-jorsch)
[13:38:36] <werdna>	rainman-sr: never mind, figured it out -- the dump file was broken
[13:38:37] <Duesentrieb>	!spam | Evet
[13:38:37] --mwbot--	Evet: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features>.
[13:39:02] <Evet>	Thanks Duesentrieb 
[13:42:14] <Evet>	But I'm not talking about spams, but desenformation
[13:46:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Maltese Wikipedia and Wiktionary namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19968 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (djchris_portelli)
[13:47:50] <alnokta>	!flaggedrevs | Evet
[13:47:50] --mwbot--	Evet: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[13:49:49] <Evet>	Simply, is there a way to held modifications of a page for moderation?
[13:49:59] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: the wiki way to protect a wiki is an active community.
[13:50:13] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: if you don't want people to frely modify pages, perhaps you don't want a wiki
[13:50:18] <Duesentrieb>	!cms
[13:50:18] --mwbot--	Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[13:50:59] <Duesentrieb>	now, the flagged revision extension can be used to provide something like moderation. but it's also quite useless without anactive community.
[13:51:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maltese Wikipedia and Wiktionary namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19968  +comment (10p858snake)
[13:53:36] <p858snake|sleep>	bah at people adding random cc's to bug reports, that one had me on it already
[13:55:39] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[13:55:46] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb 
[13:56:54] <Evet>	I want my wiki to let visitors put subjective information about their friends. Wikipedia style openness will suffer multiplicity of ideas. So I have to moderate my wiki to save freedom of opinions. Isnt it more independent?
[14:00:47] <werdna>	Evet: this is more of a software channel
[14:01:19] <Duesentrieb>	werdna: well, he is looking for a software solution for that problem :)
[14:01:37] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: no, it's not independent. it depends on you.
[14:01:37] <ialex>	Simetrical: ping
[14:04:57] <Evet>	It is more independence than depends on majority of supporters of an idea.
[14:05:14] <Evet>	I obligate to exist minority ideas.
[14:10:06] <Duesentrieb>	then see if you find a software that suits your needs. flaggedrevs is probaly overly complex for this.
[14:10:21] <Duesentrieb>	"wiki" and "moderated" don't really mix well.
[14:13:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:WantedCategories contents does not get updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19969 minor; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (malafaya)
[14:13:21] <Evet>	In fact, i dont want anyone to moderate anything. I just want to combat major ideas to moderate minor ideas.
[14:18:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special page for statistics about specific articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=547   +patch (10alex.emsenhuber)
[14:21:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GRAMMAR should build on wiki familiy names, not SITENAMEs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19893  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:23:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) GRAMMAR should build on wiki family names, not SITENAMEs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19893  (10N/A)
[14:24:39] <Evet>	Am I wrong, Duesentrieb
[14:26:08] <Duesentrieb>	"wrong"? no idea. you have to know what you want to do.
[14:26:18] <Duesentrieb>	i just doubt mediawiki is a very good tool for what you described.
[14:27:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove North Korean calendar in MessagesKo.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19809  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:27:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload branch code merged in r53282 breaks php session handling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19932  (10b-jorsch)
[14:28:46] <Evet>	Then, how can I combat 20 people who want to delete 2 people's ideas. on wiki?
[14:30:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Cache Flush Instructions for Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19380  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:34:58] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Add Cache Flush Instructions for Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19380  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:35:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hakka Wikipedia (hak:wp) doesn't recognize its own block durations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18400  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:35:38] <Nikerabbit>	that was FIXED, not mod
[14:37:48] <Jet>	Quick one, is there any way of seetting up and refering to variables in Wiki pages. I want to future proof documentation pages for an upcoming name change on out Project. eg "to delete files in ${name} simply...etc" ?
[14:37:59] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: you can't. if you want to do that, you don't wnat a wiki.
[14:38:23] <Jet>	wow, dam quick :) ok Thats all i needed to know, thanks
[14:38:36] <Duesentrieb>	Jet: that wasn't for you :)
[14:38:50] <Jet>	lol, explains it ;) *Waits quietly*
[14:38:52] <AaronSchulz>	http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/03/call_of_dutys_v.php
[14:38:55] <AaronSchulz>	lol
[14:39:09] <Evet>	So, What is wiki for? Only for most widely accepted informations?
[14:39:18] <Duesentrieb>	Jet: the answer to your question is: depends. probably you can just use a template that contains your variable value.
[14:39:30] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: for *collaboration*
[14:40:02] <TC-nbigelow>	Does anyone know how much the export tool recurses down for when you click "Include Templates"?
[14:40:06] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: people working *together*
[14:40:23] <Jet>	Duesentrieb: templates, ok that a great area to look. Thank you.
[14:40:33] <Duesentrieb>	!templates | Jet
[14:40:33] --mwbot--	Jet: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>
[14:40:46] <werdna>	TC-nbigelow: um, it looks for templates in the pages you've entered, adds them to the list, keeps going until it finds no more
[14:40:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maltese Wikipedia and Wiktionary namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19968  (10djchris_portelli)
[14:40:58] <Jet>	mwbot: thanks, reading :)
[14:41:08] <Duesentrieb>	TC-nbigelow: i suspect it uses the templatelinks tagble - so it goes all the way, but only for templates actually used when rendering the page.
[14:41:13] <Evet>	So, collaboration of "bad" people can make wiki a pool of wrong informations
[14:41:14] <^demon>	!mwbot | Jet
[14:41:14] --mwbot--	Jet: Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn
[14:41:22] <^demon>	Blah, I meant to do !thanks
[14:41:23] <^demon>	!thanks
[14:41:23] --mwbot--	You're welcome. :)
[14:41:26] <Duesentrieb>	TC-nbigelow: i.e. if you have conditionals, it will miss the branches currenlty not used.
[14:41:45] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: that's why you block bad people.
[14:41:57] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: So you just sit around looking this crap up all day :D
[14:42:05] *Jet 	embaressed he just spoke to a bot without realising, feels like a bumpkin in the city, thanks guys..bye
[14:42:20] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: the wiki solution ot most things is "many people doing good things. more and faster than bad people can do bad things"
[14:42:23] <AaronSchulz>	no, I was looking up CoD5 and it came up
[14:42:28] <^demon>	Jet: Don't be embarassed :)
[14:42:35] <^demon>	AaronSchulz: Yeah ok.
[14:42:38] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: if that's not what you want, don't use a wiki.
[14:42:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) the word "public" is missing in many translations of 'all-logs-page' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18457  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:42:46] *AaronSchulz 	is on the pvt. miller part 2
[14:42:47] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: there's plenty of other optiuons.
[14:43:34] <Evet>	Maybe wiki is not so good for idea sharing :)
[14:43:58] <Duesentrieb>	lots of wikis work pretty good for that. look around...
[14:44:52] <Evet>	Is there a wiki which contains nazist and semitist ideas both?
[14:45:28] <Duesentrieb>	and presents them in a neutral fashion?
[14:45:32] <Duesentrieb>	sure, wikipedia :)
[14:46:24] <Duesentrieb>	but if you want to present conflicting controversial views side by side, a wiki is probably not the best option.
[14:46:29] <Evet>	Who can save semitist ideas to be deleted by a nazist in wikipedia?
[14:46:35] <Duesentrieb>	at least not without a dedicated team of admins
[14:46:48] <Evet>	hmm
[14:46:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Profile information for thumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19960  (10kaldari)
[14:47:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create more complex fallback language rules. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17608  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:47:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow users to specify individual fallback languages in Spezial:Preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17612  (10N/A)
[14:47:23] <Duesentrieb>	Evet: on wikipedia, people will complain about it. they will complain about it being htere, it not being there, or it being presented in the wrong way. all in all, there's a kind of balance. ideally.
[14:47:26] <Duesentrieb>	it mostly works.
[14:47:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maltese Wikipedia and Wiktionary namespaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19968  (10djchris_portelli)
[14:47:50] <Duesentrieb>	but not easily or without trouble.
[14:48:19] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[14:48:34] <Nikerabbit>	somebody sould clean up changeslist
[14:49:01] <Evet>	I will think about on it
[14:49:33] <Evet>	In fact, if I disable deleting the old information. It can be solved. right?
[14:49:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 1movedto2 and 1movedto2_redir used inconsistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17583  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[14:49:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Profile information for thumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19960  (10hartman)
[14:51:30] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: What particular piece of it happens to cause you frustration today?
[14:52:14] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17583
[14:52:44] <^demon>	ew.
[14:53:08] <^demon>	Is 19966 an issue with MW, or how a wiki has customized Special:Upload?
[14:58:19] <sieg_>	Hi! I was wondering if there was anything to be done in the general config to be able to display images in a page? Whatever tags I try [[image:filename.png]] [[file:filename.png]], with or without other arguments, all that I see in the page ils a linke with File:Filename.png that links to the properties page of that file. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks
[15:01:17] <GreenReaper>	Sounds like the image server is out of synch.
[15:01:32] <Duesentrieb>	may have several reasons
[15:01:40] <Duesentrieb>	sieg_: can we look at your wiki?
[15:01:53] <sieg_>	it's in a intranet, unfortunately
[15:02:12] <Duesentrieb>	sieg_: one reason may be that your wiki doesn't know "file:" - until recently, you *had* to use "image:".
[15:02:27] <sieg_>	tried it, but didn't change anything
[15:02:42] <Duesentrieb>	sieg_: the second reason may be that the image isn't known to be an image. are these actual png or jpg images? what is the mime type shown on the image description page?
[15:02:52] <Duesentrieb>	is the image shown on the descrioption page?
[15:03:04] <Duesentrieb>	sieg_: also, have you checked the html code that gets generated?
[15:03:09] <sieg_>	even when I use [[image:]], what appears on the actual page is still File:filename.ext
[15:03:11] <Duesentrieb>	is an <img> tag generated?
[15:03:55] <Duesentrieb>	either your mime types are bad, or you are getting <img> tags but no rendered images. so the links is shown.
[15:03:59] <sieg_>	nope, just a sec
[15:04:08] <sieg_>	yeah, mime types are really weird
[15:04:24] <Duesentrieb>	what do they say?
[15:04:28] <sieg_>	the file displays fine on it's own in any browser, image viewer, etc
[15:04:36] <Duesentrieb>	that's not the point
[15:04:48] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki will refuse to display anything not known to be an image
[15:04:57] <Duesentrieb>	so, what *is* the mime type?
[15:05:16] <Duesentrieb>	actually, if that is odd, it should refuse the upload. unless you disabled that check.
[15:05:30] <sieg_>	<a href="/wiki/index.php/File:Radialpoint-logo.gif" title="File:Radialpoint-logo.gif">File:Radialpoint-logo.gif</a>
[15:05:34] <sieg_>	that's the resultant
[15:05:39] <sieg_>	in html
[15:05:48] <Duesentrieb>	ok. so... what *is* the mime type?
[15:06:16] <sieg_>	(file size: 926 B, MIME type: image/gif�����������������������������)
[15:06:25] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[15:06:28] <Duesentrieb>	ick.
[15:06:37] <sieg_>	any uploaded files has those ����������������������������� after the upload
[15:06:40] <Duesentrieb>	that looks like the mime types got broken by a database screwup
[15:06:46] <Duesentrieb>	padded wuth }o or something
[15:06:51] <Duesentrieb>	err, \0
[15:07:24] <Duesentrieb>	������������������ just in the mime type or also elsewhere?
[15:07:36] <sieg_>	any idea what could cause that? I just see it in mime type
[15:07:41] <Duesentrieb>	to me it sounds like your image table is scrwed up. either corrupted, or the definition is wrong.
[15:08:04] <sieg_>	even when I uploaded a png, a jpeg
[15:08:07] <sieg_>	same result
[15:08:08] <Duesentrieb>	database upgrades simetimes do that
[15:08:14] <Duesentrieb>	going from mysql 4 to 5, for example
[15:08:17] <sieg_>	new install
[15:08:25] <Duesentrieb>	i would try to drop the taböe and re-create it
[15:08:29] <Duesentrieb>	you lose all images, of course
[15:08:36] <Duesentrieb>	odd. very odd.
[15:08:44] <sieg_>	ON MYSQL 5.0.68
[15:08:48] <sieg_>	oops, caps lock
[15:08:56] <Duesentrieb>	you can also try change the mime detection.
[15:08:59] <Duesentrieb>	!mime
[15:08:59] --mwbot--	For assistance in configuring mime type detection on MediaWiki, please consult < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection >
[15:09:09] <Duesentrieb>	but it me it sounds rather like a db problem
[15:09:16] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[15:09:23] <Duesentrieb>	anyway - solving that should fix the problem of images not showing.
[15:09:55] <sieg_>	ok, thanks, I'll try to recreate the table
[15:10:08] <sieg_>	nothing to lose anyways, these were the first uploads I tried
[15:11:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Member of group(s)" in Special:Preferences causes language difficulties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14454  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[15:13:17] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: is there way to set default values for options per language?
[15:13:28] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: yes
[15:13:40] <werdna>	actually, maybe.
[15:13:42] <werdna>	I don't know
[15:13:45] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: if I implement https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16697
[15:13:54] <werdna>	look at User::getDefaultOptions
[15:14:11] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[15:14:51] <Nikerabbit>	getDefaultUserOptionOverrides
[15:20:11] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: does it matter if the values are stored as ints/strings?
[15:20:21] <werdna>	no
[15:20:31] *alnokta 	remembers malcolm in tm
[15:24:15] <sieg_>	Duesentrieb: thanks a lot! repair table didn't work, but dropping and recreating did solve the issue
[15:24:49] <Duesentrieb>	sieg_: happy it worked :)
[15:25:12] <sieg_>	mime types did look much better too ;)
[15:26:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Internal Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17005  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:26:59] <^demon>	(That should be WFM)
[15:27:07] <^demon>	wikibugs missing status changes now?
[15:27:27] <RoanKattouw>	Did you change RESOLVED/something to RESOLVED/WFM ?
[15:28:23] <RoanKattouw>	^demon: You didn't actually close it
[15:28:56] <^demon>	Stupid bug.
[15:28:57] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Internal Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17005  (10innocentkiller)
[15:31:31] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[15:32:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaZilla uses invalid markup or wrong doctype - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1463   +testme; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:32:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upgrade Bugzilla to 3.4 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16777  (10innocentkiller)
[15:32:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide updated distributions of the custom templates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9025  (10innocentkiller)
[15:34:28] <Nikerabbit>	there
[15:34:37] <Nikerabbit>	took like 15 minutes or so
[15:39:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unicode combining characters are difficult to edit in some browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16697  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[15:48:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) action=upload needs better documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19970 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (b-jorsch)
[15:51:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=upload needs better documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19970  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:51:56] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Hebrew is an RTL language, right?
[15:52:04] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[15:52:10] <RoanKattouw>	Ok, thanks
[15:52:10] <Nikerabbit>	among many other languages
[15:52:21] <RoanKattouw>	I know; I was only sure about Arabic
[15:52:33] <Nikerabbit>	hebrew, yiddish, arabic...
[15:52:47] <RoanKattouw>	Yiddish is RTL? :O
[15:52:58] <RoanKattouw>	I had expected Yiddish to be closer to German in that respect
[15:53:16] <Nikerabbit>	it uses hebrew script
[15:53:39] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[15:53:42] <Nikerabbit>	farsi (persian), pashto...
[15:53:48] <Nikerabbit>	languages/messages/MessagesUg_latn.php
[15:53:48] <Nikerabbit>	15:$rtl = true;
[15:53:51] <Nikerabbit>	this one is weird
[15:53:57] <Nikerabbit>	latin script is rtl?
[15:54:03] <RoanKattouw>	heh that looks wrong
[15:54:16] <Nikerabbit>	http://ug.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_Bet
[15:58:08] <^demon|lunch>	Does enrtl not work?
[15:58:42] <Nikerabbit>	^demon|lunch: it works as intented, no?
[15:59:34] <^demon|lunch>	It doesn't force en into an RTL environment, if that's what you mean?
[16:00:12] <Nikerabbit>	yes because our skins suck
[16:00:17] <Nikerabbit>	it needs to be the content language
[16:00:28] <RoanKattouw>	Does it work properly on Vector?
[16:00:31] <^demon|lunch>	Nope.
[16:00:31] *RoanKattouw 	hides
[16:00:40] <^demon|lunch>	It isn't listed in prefs and doesn't respond to uselang afaict.
[16:00:40] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: not with any skin
[16:00:52] <RoanKattouw>	Ah I get it now
[16:00:54] <werdna>	you should stab trevor
[16:00:58] <^demon|lunch>	Time to actually grab my lunch, back in a second.
[16:01:05] <Nikerabbit>	ltr and rtl styles need to be merged, and html tagged appropriately
[16:01:10] <RoanKattouw>	ltr/rtl status is grabbed from $wgContLang rather than $wgLang then?
[16:01:22] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[16:01:37] <RoanKattouw>	That sounds like a bug
[16:01:53] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: if you fix the skins, I can fix that bug
[16:01:55] <RoanKattouw>	That'd also mean that uselang=en on arwiki still produces an RTL layout
[16:02:03] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: Fix the skins how?
[16:02:20] <Nikerabbit>	it is bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6100
[16:02:32] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: allow mixed rtl/ltr stuff in pages
[16:02:48] <Nikerabbit>	content should always be in content direction, and ui in ui direction
[16:03:13] <RoanKattouw>	Oh yeah of course *grmbl*
[16:03:54] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: I donate you a pizza and a hug if you fix that :)
[16:04:07] <RoanKattouw>	Heh
[16:04:40] <RoanKattouw>	I'm afraid I won't really have time to until April or so
[16:04:50] <Nikerabbit>	hi hcatlin
[16:05:19] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: well, isn't it almost related to the usability thingie... :O
[16:05:30] <hcatlin>	yo
[16:05:47] <RoanKattouw>	Just not related enough, I'm afraid
[16:06:21] <RoanKattouw>	And Trevor might start killing people if he has to spend another full week on RTL issues
[16:06:28] <^demon|lunch>	!b 6100
[16:06:28] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6100
[16:08:04] <^demon>	hcatlin: Good news btw. Early testing with a Pre shows the mobile site rendering fine \o/
[16:08:35] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: it's major  usability issue for rtl people in enwiki :)
[16:08:36] <hcatlin>	^demon: I've done extensive tests. Pre is one of the ones the site is built for
[16:09:07] <^demon>	hcatlin: Ah, didn't know :) I know the docs for wikimedia-mobile only mention Android && iPhone
[16:10:39] <Nikerabbit>	hi Dantman
[16:11:46] <Dantman>	?
[16:12:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) add components to MediaWiki extensions in Bugzilla - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19903  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:14:24] <Dantman>	Nikerabbit, I don't like greet pings on irc entry... for that... I spam you with a self promotional link... http://monkeyscript.org
[16:14:43] <Nikerabbit>	now I am not allowed to greet people?
[16:17:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Profile information for thumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19960  (10kaldari)
[16:18:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inject into renderd rendering queue when we emit a static map - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19867  (10avarab)
[16:18:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Redirecting in Opera on Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19971 enhancement; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (malrase)
[16:19:14] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Redirecting in Opera on Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19971  +comment (10hcatlin)
[16:19:50] <roberthl>	Why can't it be closed as LATER?
[16:20:15] <werdna>	we don't really use LATER
[16:20:30] <roberthl>	fair enough
[16:21:40] <roberthl>	concerning that one of the most popular mobile browsers is unsupported though
[16:21:42] <hcatlin>	roberthl: as an "enhancement" it might work
[16:21:59] <roberthl>	probably would be ebst under a general "support opera" bug then i guess
[16:22:01] <hcatlin>	roberthl: if you'd like to test and run that format as its sponsor, then you are more than welcome
[16:22:19] <hcatlin>	but, running 4 formats is enough for the moment
[16:22:35] <hcatlin>	at least for me as the sole sponsor of those 4
[16:22:46] <Nikerabbit>	piizzaaa
[16:22:51] <roberthl>	yeah, of course
[16:23:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Garbled text in Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19972 normal; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (malrase)
[16:23:32] <Nikerabbit>	and there is the rtl killer guy
[16:29:12] <^demon>	Noob git question: If I've locally cloned a git repo from github, how do I delete it from github?
[16:29:59] *Nikerabbit 	trolls
[16:31:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Easier language switching for Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19973 enhancement; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (malrase)
[16:32:44] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: back under your bridge!
[16:32:59] *Nikerabbit 	mours
[16:33:27] <avar>	^demon: ask in a github forum?
[16:34:53] <^demon>	avar: Yeah I could...I just knew there's a bunch of git junkies hanging around ;-)
[16:40:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Easier language switching for Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19973  +comment (10malrase)
[16:44:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colours in the mediawiki Allmessages page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7006  +comment (10Annabel)
[16:49:07] <hcatlin>	^demon: you do that through the web interface
[16:52:06] <^demon>	hcatlin: I really haven't found where. Please point me to the blatently obvious?
[16:52:27] <hcatlin>	Go to "Edit" or "Admin" for the project
[16:52:30] <hcatlin>	and click down at the bottom
[16:52:33] <hcatlin>	"Delete Repository"
[16:52:58] <^demon>	Ah, there it is.
[16:54:24] <NeKit>	http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1566/sonicscanfinfo124860733.png
[16:56:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colours in the mediawiki Allmessages page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7006  (10innocentkiller)
[16:56:54] <Nikerabbit>	isn't that cute
[16:57:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) clean the code in the InitialiseSetting.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19908  +comment (10jeluf)
[16:58:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Profile information for thumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19960  (10kaldari)
[17:04:18] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: did you fix the glitch i showed you earlier or no way ?
[17:05:26] <Nikerabbit>	I didn't see any glitch other than unicode bidi algorithm doing its atrocities
[17:10:15] *alnokta 	kicks UBA
[17:17:29] <mrt2k9>	Hello, I've got a beginner's question (I think) about importing wp dumps. Using mwdumper to import page-articles...bz2 works fine, but what do I have to do to get rid of all those "{{ .... }}" blocks in the resulting html output? Do I have to import additional dumps, or start a specific maintencance script?
[17:17:58] <brion>	mrt2k9: those'll be either templates or parser function invocations
[17:18:06] <brion>	make sure you have ParserFunctions extension installed on your wiki
[17:18:25] <mrt2k9>	brion: f.e., if see #ifexist, #switch etc. statements
[17:20:22] <mrt2k9>	are those extensions available for mediawiki 1.12? (I'm using debian lenny)
[17:20:56] <brion>	mrt2k9: yeah that'll all be ParserFunctions
[17:21:02] <Sonja>	is there any way to make a spoiler-hiding type text in a mediawiki page
[17:21:04] <brion>	you really want to run a current release of mediawiki
[17:21:07] <Sonja>	you have to click to show the hidden text
[17:21:13] <brion>	dump your ancient package and install from source
[17:21:19] <mrt2k9>	brion: ok, thank you
[17:21:19] <brion>	it's not hard, you just drop it in a directory :)
[17:21:24] <Sonja>	hi brion <3
[17:21:29] <brion>	howdy all
[17:21:37] <Sonja>	our multilingual overlord
[17:21:47] <mrt2k9>	brion: jeah, of course, but apt-get install was so comfty for just starting ;)
[17:23:35] *^demon 	wonders if/when we can get FlaggedRevs on mw.org...
[17:29:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) include text (chars A to B) from random page but not from category X - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19974 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (M8R-t3ukmq)
[17:30:08] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: /wiki/Special:Preferences: Exception: Global default '' is invalid for field editfont
[17:30:13] <Nikerabbit>	some cache is not cleared?
[17:30:28] <werdna>	you haven't set a default for that preference
[17:30:49] <Nikerabbit>	I did: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53874
[17:31:05] <Nikerabbit>	oh yeah I didn't
[17:31:07] <Nikerabbit>	fuck you svn
[17:33:44] <alnokta>	swearing at  revision control systems now :P
[17:33:48] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: thanks
[17:34:03] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta: they can't swear back
[17:34:22] <alnokta>	g point 
[17:35:06] <alnokta>	"Author:	This author has no link with a wiki account" how to link it?
[17:36:12] <Nikerabbit>	ask someone who can link to link it
[17:36:38] <Nikerabbit>	alnokta to Alknokta?
[17:36:53] <Shinjiman>	werdna: any idea for this? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53316#c3281
[17:37:19] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: alnokta to alnokta
[17:37:37] <werdna>	Shinjiman: I hadn't seen it yet, will look at it tomorrow
[17:37:46] <^demon>	alnokta: Done.
[17:37:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Profile information for thumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19960  (10kaldari)
[17:38:15] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: damn you were faster!
[17:38:17] <Shinjiman>	okay, seems this would make the timezone selection list to show the top-most entries only.
[17:38:19] <Nikerabbit>	I hjad the page open
[17:38:30] <alnokta>	^demon: thx :)
[17:38:34] <^demon>	np.
[17:38:35] <Shinjiman>	:)
[17:38:40] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit: better luck nxt time
[17:39:26] <^demon>	werdna: But it looked nicer with the formatting...
[17:40:22] <werdna>	^demon: what did?
[17:40:25] <werdna>	context, please.
[17:43:07] <najevi>	Can the permissions for just one namespace  be altered to allow users from the *autoconfirmed* group to have *import* permission for just one custom namespace?  (I got this idea after reading http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NamespacePermissions )
[17:43:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Upload branch code merged in r53282 breaks php session handling - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19932  +comment (10dale)
[17:43:42] <^demon>	werdna: The even/odd formatting in LQT
[17:47:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fix paging for LiquidThreads discussion pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19975 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[17:47:44] <werdna>	^demon|meeting: well, you can add it to your css if you like
[17:52:25] <^demon|meeting>	werdna: Yeah...I just thought it looked nice by default ;-)
[17:52:31] <^demon|meeting>	I hate stupid meetings :-\
[17:53:25] <Nikerabbit>	make them not stupid?
[17:54:08] <^demon|meeting>	Heh, it's one of those required department meetings that mid-level management love, but the rest of us just struggle through. Hence taking my laptop.
[17:54:40] <Nikerabbit>	 irch through it!
[17:55:45] <^demon|meeting>	They've got this big department-wide push to standardize & document our jobs so anyone can step in for anyone else (ie: make us all replaceable)
[17:55:53] <^demon|meeting>	This is some meeting in RE: to that.
[17:56:46] <faceface>	hihi
[17:56:56] <Sonja>	how do i change the tab named "discussion" to "talk" or "draft" or similar
[17:57:20] <Nikerabbit>	if using monobook, edit mediawiki:nstab-talk ?
[17:57:21] <faceface>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_SVN - To download from the latest 1.15 release (recommended), ... Alternately, you can download the latest bleeding-edge development version ... To get the latest skins directory ...
[17:57:35] <faceface>	Can I download a branch, but still co the vector skin?
[17:57:42] <Nikerabbit>	faceface: not really
[17:57:48] <faceface>	what will happen when I next co... Nikerabbit OK
[17:57:50] <faceface>	nm
[17:58:14] <Sonja>	index.php?title=MediaWiki:Talk&action=edit&redlink=1
[17:58:15] <faceface>	curse these infernal languages!
[17:58:15] <Sonja>	ohhh
[17:58:30] <Sonja>	thanks Nikerabbit
[17:58:41] <Nikerabbit>	my first thanks today \o/
[17:58:50] *alnokta 	always wondered why 'stab' is placed in mediawiki:nstab-talk and other messages
[17:58:53] <^demon|meeting>	!thanks | Nikerabbit
[17:58:53] --mwbot--	Nikerabbit: You're welcome. :)
[17:58:55] <faceface>	Checked out revision 53886.
[17:58:58] <faceface>	Nikerabbit: thank you!
[17:59:02] <Nikerabbit>	oh my
[17:59:08] <Nikerabbit>	now I am overloaded
[17:59:15] <^demon|meeting>	alnokta: NS tab, 
[17:59:15] <Sonja>	thanks have to be logged? :)
[17:59:20] <Nikerabbit>	yaippee uga buga ungalaga gachankga uggaagaga gaagagagug
[17:59:34] <Nikerabbit>	^demon|meeting: or No Stab
[17:59:41] <faceface>	!welm | Nickerrabbit
[17:59:41] --mwbot--	Nickerrabbit: I don't know anything about "welm".
[17:59:59] <alnokta>	ah
[18:01:13] <Sonja>	Nikerabbit does it take a while for the tab to update with the new name?
[18:02:58] <alnokta>	AP: MediaWiki is deprecated and work has started on phase 8, all devs to upgrade or risk being disbanded. 
[18:04:15] <Nikerabbit>	Sonja: shouldn't, did you edit the correct message?
[18:05:52] <Sonja>	i edited MediaWiki:nstab-talk
[18:05:56] <Sonja>	should it be MediaWiki:Nstab-talk ?
[18:07:50] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Subpages, logo, and default skin for Strategy Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19962  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:08:11] <RoanKattouw>	Sonja: Doesn't matter
[18:08:34] <Sonja>	i use case-sensitive names
[18:08:41] <Sonja>	cuz some of my pages need to start with lowercase
[18:08:44] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[18:08:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) action=upload needs better documentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19970  +comment (10dale)
[18:09:35] <Sonja>	does google gears integrate with mediawiki? so i can edit a certain wiki on my laptop in the bus?
[18:10:16] <Nikerabbit>	Sonja: upper case then
[18:10:30] <Nikerabbit>	Sonja: not that I am aware of
[18:11:07] <^demon|meeting>	No it doesn't.
[18:11:14] <Sonja>	ah i fixed it
[18:11:15] <Sonja>	it was MediaWiki:Talk
[18:11:24] <Sonja>	not mediawiki:nstab-talk
[18:12:22] <Sonja>	i woneder if my installation of mediawiki deviates from Nikerabbit's suggestion
[18:13:56] <Nikerabbit>	Sonja: like?
[18:14:02] <Nikerabbit>	let me double check
[18:14:43] <Sonja>	well the file i needed to edit was MediaWiki:Talk
[18:14:46] <Sonja>	that worked
[18:16:16] <gpled>	i dont think {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} is correct
[18:16:46] <gpled>	is their some kind of maintenance program i should run, to update this?
[18:17:13] <RoanKattouw>	gpled: Why do you think it's wrong?
[18:17:24] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[18:17:29] <Nikerabbit>	Sonja: you may be right after all
[18:17:38] <RoanKattouw>	gpled: Keep in mind that it only counts articles in the main namespace that are not redirects and contain [[
[18:17:43] <gpled>	RoanKattouw: i have been adding articles, but the count has not been going up
[18:18:02] <RoanKattouw>	Are you sure the articles you've been adding were in the main namespace, not redirects and contained a link?
[18:18:17] <thedj>	wow, good stuff on bug 19960
[18:18:31] <gpled>	RoanKattouw: no.  how would i tell?
[18:19:41] <RoanKattouw>	gpled: By looking at them. It's easy enough to see if an article contains links or not; if you don't know what redirects are you haven't created any; a page is in the main namespace if its name doesn't have a prefix like Talk: or Project:
[18:19:47] <thedj>	http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14312
[18:20:25] <Evet>	Can I use integrate wordpress mu users as wiki users?
[18:20:44] <RoanKattouw>	Whoa, upstream developers being cooperative beyond our wildest dreams
[18:20:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Profile information for thumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19960   +upstream (10mrzmanwiki)
[18:23:22] <thedj>	RoanKattouw: quite so 
[18:24:00] <faceface>	Evet: yes
[18:25:05] <Evet>	faceface, Is there any tool to do that? or I must do manually?
[18:25:24] <faceface>	sorry, just looking... I think its this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ExternalAuth
[18:25:53] <faceface>	or rather Extension:AuthPlugin
[18:25:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow wikitext bracket tags to link to Wikipedia articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19976 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (stvrtg)
[18:26:28] <^demon|meeting>	AuthPlugin isn't an extension, fwiw.
[18:26:57] <faceface>	its worth nothing!
[18:27:40] <^demon|meeting>	\o/ [[Commit access requests]]
[18:28:00] <faceface>	Evet: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:User_identity_extensions ??
[18:28:25] <faceface>	^demon|meeting: you broke him
[18:28:41] <Evet>	Thank you, faceface
[18:29:29] <^demon|meeting>	faceface: Continual nagging pays off :D
[18:29:55] <faceface>	I hope so!
[18:30:14] <Sonja>	is there a way to make a category page omit the letters that precede the category items?
[18:30:20] <RoanKattouw>	^demon|meeting: Next project: weekly scaps ;)
[18:30:37] <Sonja>	and omit the text like "The following 2 pages are in this category, out of 2 total. " ?
[18:30:41] <faceface>	Sonja: not last time I checked... can you php?
[18:30:50] <faceface>	its a one line edit to bork them
[18:30:51] <Sonja>	no, but i know somebody who can. i'll get their help
[18:30:55] <RoanKattouw>	Empty the MediaWiki: message?
[18:31:11] <Sonja>	i just want a simple list
[18:31:17] <Sonja>	oki'll talk to my php person
[18:31:25] <^demon|meeting>	RoanKattouw: HAHAHAHA, yeah, right.
[18:35:48] <Sparragus>	Hello everyone
[18:36:27] <gpled>	is their a variable that represents all the articles found in: special page:  All pages?
[18:42:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Garbled text in Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19972  +comment (10hartman)
[18:43:24] <faceface>	gpled: yeah...
[18:45:14] <faceface>	gpled: I use it here: http://pdbwiki.org/index.php/Statistics
[18:45:38] <faceface>	how do I tar cf but exclude a certain directory (images)
[18:46:09] <capdog>	hi all. is this a good place to ask a support question?
[18:46:27] <faceface>	capdog: try?
[18:46:30] <faceface>	;-)
[18:48:05] <capdog>	right! :) I have a mediawiki installation for my personal usage on Media Temple hosting. I opened it up yesterday only to find that there's no content in it. Or at least, it won't display anything. Just the message "There is currently no text in this page"
[18:48:17] <capdog>	there is still data in the DB.
[18:48:57] <capdog>	i haven't touched the code or DB myself. If I set the $wgDebugLogFile variable and have a look at the log, it *seems* to be connecting
[18:49:27] <capdog>	in fact, there are messages stating that it is connecting to the DB
[18:50:01] <capdog>	also, I can create a user on the wiki, but it is instantly logged off and "forgotten", and i can't log back on with that user
[18:50:07] <capdog>	it's like mediawiki has lost the DB
[18:50:22] <capdog>	and I'm pretty sure it's something that has changed on the global level
[18:50:27] <faceface>	capdog: sounds like a paths problem ...
[18:50:31] <faceface>	can you point us at the pages?
[18:50:45] <capdog>	umm, the problem is that it's a personal wiki. ;)
[18:50:49] <capdog>	so it's on the net
[18:50:55] <faceface>	ok
[18:50:58] <capdog>	but it's private content (like passwords, etc)
[18:51:13] <faceface>	sorry... didn't read that write
[18:51:20] <faceface>	'so its not on the web'
[18:51:33] <capdog>	so where can i look for debug info that would tell me why it can't find anything
[18:53:09] <faceface>	check the url's and paths carefully, and look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[18:54:47] <capdog>	faceface: thanks. my URL in the browser is /index.php?title=Main_Page
[18:55:09] <capdog>	and from that, i get the regular looking wiki, the only thing that's missing is the content
[18:55:18] <Sonja>	Can I put a ===subheader===  inside a table cell?
[18:55:26] <faceface>	Sonja: no
[18:55:33] <faceface>	I don't think so anyway
[18:55:41] <Sonja>	i'm basically doing a two-column layout of a text and its translation
[18:55:49] <Sonja>	maybe there's an extension to do the format i want
[18:56:06] <faceface>	Sonja: check the tables syntax manual
[18:56:20] <Sonja>	technically it shouldnt be a table, but divs with css
[18:56:54] <capdog>	faceface: hmm... if I go to any URL it seems to not work... /index.php?title=Help:Contents for example, also has no content
[18:57:10] <capdog>	just "There is currently no text in this page"
[18:58:39] <Sparragus>	Hey everyone. I have a question. Is there anyway to check is an article was protected in a certain revision using the api?
[18:58:46] <Splarka>	Sonja: http://p.defau.lt/?jSXBPPvwn_g6MFVTDUnuCg
[18:58:57] <Sparragus>	When I try this, it gives me information of the latest revision, not the one I want: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&inprop=protection&revids=300868712&format=xml
[18:59:23] <Sonja>	Splarka isnt that just a regular table?
[18:59:49] <gpled>	to make a user admin, i need to do it in mysql from console?
[19:00:13] <Splarka>	Sonja: yes, but you can put headers in it, and you can put headers in css divs
[19:00:17] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Add support for more languages to mobile Wikipedia gateway - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16693  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:00:21] <RoanKattouw>	Sparragus: No, that data is not kept
[19:00:59] <capdog>	argh giving up
[19:01:01] <capdog>	thanks anyway
[19:01:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add support for more languages to mobile Wikipedia gateway - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16693  (10innocentkiller)
[19:02:06] <Sparragus>	thanks RoanKattouw.
[19:02:15] <Splarka>	Sparragus: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvlimit=max&titles=Pepsi&list=logevents&letype=protect&lelimit=max&letitle=Pepsi
[19:02:21] <Sonja>	cool tahnks Splarka
[19:02:22] <Splarka>	you could derive it
[19:02:38] <Sparragus>	Using the comments?
[19:03:12] <Sonja>	is there a way to add numbers to my ===subheaders=== or do i number them myself ===1. First topic===  and ===2. Something else to discuss=== +
[19:03:37] <Splarka>	well, using the timestamps, and "action"
[19:03:51] <RoanKattouw>	Sonja: People can enable numbering in their preferences
[19:03:55] <Splarka>	though you would need to parse the comment for full data, yah
[19:03:58] <RoanKattouw>	And you can enable it by default if you want
[19:04:25] <faceface>	how to tar up the wiki but --exclude the images directory?
[19:04:34] <faceface>	--exclude "mediawiki-1.14.0/images/" isn't working!
[19:04:57] <Sonja>	RoanKattouw cool. can i enable it just for certain subheaders on certain pages, and not others?
[19:05:00] <Sparragus>	oh! nice! I didnt know about the protect/unprotect action
[19:05:05] <Sparragus>	Thanks Splarka 
[19:05:13] <Sonja>	RoanKattouw maybe there's a code i can use for that
[19:05:13] <faceface>	seeing "mediawiki-1.14.0/images/1/19/1xma.1.jpg" in the tar
[19:05:14] <RoanKattouw>	Sonja: No, it's per-user, not per-page
[19:05:23] <Sonja>	ohh it's a display preference type thing
[19:05:26] <Sonja>	it's not per-content ok 
[19:05:27] <Sonja>	thanks
[19:05:33] <^demon|meeting>	hcatlin: Sent you a very minor pull request, when you get to it.
[19:05:34] <Splarka>	Sparragus: also be aware of the expiry dates
[19:06:36] <faceface>	faceface: use a * somewhere in your pattern!
[19:09:15] <Sparragus>	Splarka: Yeah. I wish I could get that info as well. Thanks anyways.
[19:09:54] <Sparragus>	Splarka: well, its available for some. I think i could be only for the most recent one.
[19:10:28] <Splarka>	Sparragus: it is available in the comment wherever it is used
[19:10:49] <Splarka>	if an expiry is missing it either wasn't used, or wasn't available to be used
[19:10:59] <Splarka>	(meaning infinite/indefinite)
[19:11:22] <Sparragus>	Hmmm, I see.
[19:12:00] <Splarka>	so, checking action="", [edit=~,move=~], and (expires ~), you can, in theory, make a correct timeline of protection
[19:14:51] <Sparragus>	nice. Thanks Splarka 
[19:15:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make the URL bar hidden in Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19977 enhancement; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (malrase)
[19:16:38] <faceface>	awesome ... update successfull!
[19:17:24] <faceface>	thanks for help
[19:41:06] <Alphos>	just checking, about the API, tokens are needed only to edit right ?
[19:41:51] <Alphos>	so, a bot that doesn't send his token when requesting a list or something still will have his limits 10 times higher than the usual ?*
[19:42:31] <ialex>	Alphos: yes
[19:42:36] <Alphos>	ok :)
[19:42:39] <Splarka>	well
[19:42:43] <MrZ-man>	you only need a token to edit, but you do have to pass the cookies to get the higher limit
[19:42:45] <Splarka>	tokens are needed for most actions
[19:42:54] <Alphos>	yeah, this i know MrZ-man
[19:42:57] <ialex>	for write requests
[19:42:58] <Splarka>	session cookies are needed for restricted actions, and for higher limits
[19:43:17] <Alphos>	that's what i figured :)
[19:43:31] <Splarka>	you do not need session cookies for all actions, like anonymous editing
[19:43:52] <Alphos>	is possible to anonymously edit through the API on WMF wikis ? :o
[19:43:55] <Splarka>	(action = write action)
[19:43:58] <Splarka>	sure
[19:43:59] <Alphos>	*it's
[19:44:02] <Alphos>	:o
[19:44:08] <Splarka>	the edit token is "+/" or something
[19:44:21] <RoanKattouw>	+\
[19:44:26] <Alphos>	i thought edit rights were limited to registered users there :x
[19:44:44] <Alphos>	i didn't mean on mediawiki, but on WMF wikis
[19:45:04] <Alphos>	(anyway, i'll just create an account for my bot, why bother ? :p )
[19:45:08] <Splarka>	ahh, might be restricted there yah
[19:45:56] *Alphos 	crrrraaaaaaaves for a smoke >_>
[19:46:11] <Splarka>	but you can easily give it to anonfaces: 
[19:46:12] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['writeapi']         = true;
[19:46:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) LiquidThreads should update with update.php like everything else. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19978 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[19:47:05] <Alphos>	yeah, i knew that
[19:47:17] <Alphos>	but it doesn't apply for WMF wikis ^^'
[19:47:22] <Nikerabbit>	who is parul? :o
[19:47:32] <Splarka>	hmm, actually I don't see why it shouldn't
[19:47:35] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: parutron in #wikipedia_usability
[19:47:37] <werdna>	Parul Vora is our user interface lady
[19:48:06] <Nach>	Is there a way to generate a static version of an entire wiki to put on a site which lacks PHP?
[19:48:17] <Nikerabbit>	html dumps
[19:48:31] <Nach>	how do I create an HTML dump?
[19:48:49] <GreenReaper>	A tool like http://www.httrack.com/
[19:49:32] <GreenReaper>	I suggest configuring the dump carefully so that you do not get more pages than you intend, particularly the dynamically-created editing ones. 
[19:50:03] <MrZ-man>	!e dumpHTML
[19:50:03] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:dumpHTML
[19:50:04] <GreenReaper>	For sites which have a "short name" like /wiki/Article then it's fairly easy, you just exclude /w/ URLs.
[19:50:44] <GreenReaper>	That should work, too. Though "release status unknown" worries me. :-)
[19:52:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Subpages, logo, and default skin for Strategy Wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19962  +comment (10eekim)
[19:53:53] <Alphos>	oh, while i'm at it, how long are the cookies kept ?
[19:54:10] <Alphos>	i guess it's indefinitely if they are used frequently enough ?
[19:54:11] <Nach>	Thanks
[19:54:54] <Alphos>	good appetite bri.on ;)
[19:55:20] <brion-lunch>	nom nom nom
[19:55:25] <Alphos>	^^
[20:02:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailinglist for the no.wp bureaucrats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18665  (10cbrown1023)
[20:33:47] <Prodego>	ohai christel 
[20:33:53] <christel>	hiya
[20:34:08] <Prodego>	quite a lot of staff you added, so many new names to learn
[20:34:11] <Prodego>	:)
[20:34:57] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: You about?
[20:36:34] *Splarka 	twitch?
[20:37:43] <Splarka>	rar RoanKattouw
[20:37:50] *shortcircuit 	shakes his head sadly.
[20:38:16] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Would it be considered a big compat breaker if the JSON format of list=search changed from [ .. ] to { .. } ?
[20:38:37] <shortcircuit>	Yahoo Slurp is not paying attention to my robots.txt file.
[20:38:59] <shortcircuit>	At first it was ignoring the Craw-delay directive, now it's "only" ignoring the Disallows.
[20:39:17] *Splarka 	checks what list=search outputs
[20:39:56] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=foobar&format=jsonfm
[20:40:09] <Splarka>	what are you planning?
[20:40:31] <RoanKattouw>	To change <search> data here </search> to <search count="123"> data here </search>
[20:40:47] <Splarka>	ahh, hmm
[20:40:53] <RoanKattouw>	Which in JSON means changing "search": [ ... ] to  "search": { "count": 123, "0": data ... }
[20:41:06] <RoanKattouw>	Which is probably the most ugly output ever invented by man
[20:41:18] <Splarka>	there is some weird mapping between xml and json, heh
[20:41:32] <RoanKattouw>	Cleaner would be to do "search": { "count": 123, "results": [ ... ] } but that breaks compat in all formats for sure
[20:41:36] <Splarka>	well, lesse...
[20:41:50] <Splarka>	depends how they iterate I guess
[20:42:25] <Splarka>	right now foo.query.search is an array of objects... foo.query.search[0] is an object with foo.query.search[0].ns and foo.query.search[0].title ..
[20:42:53] <RoanKattouw>	The latter wouldn't change
[20:42:56] <RoanKattouw>	The former would
[20:42:57] <Splarka>	and would still be if you used "search": { "count": 123, 0: data ... }  I think..
[20:43:05] <RoanKattouw>	Exactly
[20:43:11] <Splarka>	but I don't think "0" would be back compat, no
[20:43:24] <Splarka>	also a for() using .length would probably screw up
[20:43:24] <RoanKattouw>	s/"0"/0 , my mistake
[20:43:36] <Splarka>	lemme test it real quick
[20:43:43] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah it'd probably index one too far
[20:44:15] <RoanKattouw>	But for ( index in object ) works even if object is really an array, right?
[20:44:43] <Splarka>	well
[20:45:01] <Splarka>	you /only/ want to use for(in) for an object, not for an array
[20:45:09] <Splarka>	bad things happen if you use it on an array
[20:45:32] <Splarka>	jquery and scriptalicious sometimes add dummy properties to arrays which massively break in some browsers
[20:45:49] <Splarka>	so if you must use for(in) you need lots of typeof and redundant if() checking
[20:46:05] <RoanKattouw>	What could go wrong?
[20:46:18] <Splarka>	script stops, with error, heh
[20:46:24] <RoanKattouw>	Why?
[20:47:01] <Splarka>	var foo = ['bar','baz']... and then for(var i in foo) vs for(var i=0;i<foo.length;i++)
[20:47:24] <Splarka>	in some browsers, the former will find extra shit
[20:47:31] <Splarka>	as will almost all browsers if scriptalicious is around
[20:47:40] <Splarka>	so if you assume foo[i] is a string, shit breaks
[20:48:00] <Splarka>	because it won't always be
[20:48:06] <Splarka>	anyway, this is a sidetrack
[20:48:13] <RoanKattouw>	OK
[20:48:34] <RoanKattouw>	Back to my original question: are people gonna yell at me if I make the change I suggested?
[20:48:37] <Splarka>	the correct method for {} is for(in), and [] is for(var;<;++)
[20:48:46] <Splarka>	hang on, lemme test ^_^
[20:49:00] *Splarka 	pokles roan for distracty questions
[20:50:00] <Alphos>	still about the API...
[20:50:14] <Alphos>	what format is displayed by ?action=login ^^
[20:50:16] <RoanKattouw>	Alphos: Ask ahead, I'm the API maintainer
[20:50:36] <Alphos>	is it xmlfm by default, just like other pages ?
[20:50:44] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[20:50:49] <Alphos>	or is it something "useful" ?
[20:50:50] <Alphos>	ok
[20:50:51] <RoanKattouw>	Whatever you specify in &format=
[20:51:05] <Alphos>	just what i was about to ask ^^
[20:51:08] <Alphos>	thanks :)
[20:53:07] <Splarka>	hmm
[20:54:12] <Splarka>	roan: http://p.defau.lt/?IFnjgVlFFTS4Tb3r5_33qA  ignoring bad formatting, is this a correct (new) result?
[20:54:25] <Splarka>	well, count=3
[20:54:31] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[20:54:40] <Splarka>	k, simple iteration will break
[20:54:40] <RoanKattouw>	Not necessarily count=3 if you set srlimit=3
[20:54:52] *^demon 	uses format=phpfm because he's that hardcore ;)
[20:55:07] <Splarka>	foo.query.search.length will be undefined for that object
[20:55:12] *Splarka 	tests for(in)
[20:55:53] <Splarka>	for(in) works but of course you have to special case "count"
[20:56:16] <RoanKattouw>	Does it blow up if you don't
[20:56:16] <Splarka>	typeof, if(...[i].title) , etc
[20:56:20] <Splarka>	yeah
[20:56:23] <Splarka>	well, sorta
[20:56:24] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[20:56:30] <RoanKattouw>	So it's a breaking change for JSON at leats
[20:56:33] *Splarka 	checks if he uses list=search anywhere
[20:56:51] <Splarka>	hmm, I don't...
[20:57:21] <Splarka>	Roan: I guess a non-breaking change would be very very ugly eh?
[20:57:29] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[20:57:34] <RoanKattouw>	It'd be this:
[20:57:51] <RoanKattouw>	'query': { 'search': [ ... ], 'searchinfo': { 'count': 123, other data... } }
[20:57:54] <Splarka>	"searchresults": 123, "search": []
[20:57:57] <Splarka>	heh
[20:57:58] <Splarka>	yah
[20:58:14] <RoanKattouw>	Which relies on the fact that nobody ever creates a module called 'searchinfo'
[20:58:16] <RoanKattouw>	Ugly
[20:58:24] <Splarka>	hmm
[20:58:52] <Splarka>	and I guess people are too lazy to count <search> children
[20:59:02] *Splarka 	does a quick search on en.wp
[20:59:12] <RoanKattouw>	No, they're not
[20:59:19] <RoanKattouw>	It's the *total* number of results
[20:59:41] <Alphos>	btw, RoanKattouw, i was suggesting something earlier, the possibility to use pageid instead of title when sending an edit request
[20:59:41] <Splarka>	oh, right
[21:00:01] <RoanKattouw>	Alphos: Good one; please file a bug on Bugzilla for that
[21:00:06] <Alphos>	ok :)
[21:00:08] <Splarka>	Alphos: delete and move already suppor that, but mostly because if you have a bad title you can't reference it by title
[21:00:12] <Splarka>	er support
[21:00:19] <Splarka>	there is no reason to edit something with a bad title tho, is there?
[21:00:33] <Splarka>	unless you want obfuscation, heh
[21:00:33] <Alphos>	charset ?
[21:01:07] <Alphos>	honestly, i'm not entirely sure my utf-8 bots are safe with vietnamese pagetitles
[21:01:10] <Splarka>	well, like say you turn wgCapitalLinks on, create a lowercase page, and turn it off, you have a page then you can't access, but will show up in things like LonelyPages
[21:01:17] <Splarka>	ahh, well
[21:01:28] <Splarka>	urlencode should be fine, but pageid might be good to reduce bandwidth
[21:01:37] <Splarka>	oh crap, what am I, channeling GreenReaper
[21:01:40] <Alphos>	yeah, that too...
[21:01:41] *Splarka 	dunks head in vinegar
[21:01:45] <Alphos>	XD
[21:02:18] <Splarka>	Roan: I guess just make the change, I can't think of any good way to be back-compat tho
[21:02:20] <Alphos>	besides, i'm getting a bot to work on RCs right now
[21:02:36] <Alphos>	and store page title is much less easier than storing pageid
[21:02:38] <Splarka>	but script writers can do a "typeof foo.query.search" for forward compat
[21:03:05] <Splarka>	thedj: please take note, list=search typeof change, does popups use it?
[21:03:15] <Alphos>	(i guess i'll finish the bot before i file anything on bugzilla though, i'd rather do that right now)
[21:03:31] <Splarka>	Alphos: hmm.. well you can always get the pageid with the edit token
[21:03:49] <Alphos>	you can get it without edit token
[21:03:53] <Splarka>	so if you store the id, before every edi do a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&intoken=edit&titles=Foobar
[21:04:06] <Splarka>	Alphos: no, I mean, when you get the token, you get the ID/name
[21:04:12] <Alphos>	ah
[21:04:16] <Splarka>	and you really should get the token before every edit
[21:04:21] <Alphos>	but i get the token once and for all actually
[21:04:23] <Splarka>	or at least write the bot with the cabability to
[21:04:25] <Splarka>	heh
[21:04:31] <Splarka>	well, tokens are not guaranteed to be static
[21:04:32] <Alphos>	(at least if this possibility didn't change)
[21:04:33] <Splarka>	even though they are
[21:04:39] <Alphos>	�_�
[21:04:46] <Splarka>	it's a fact!
[21:04:50] <Alphos>	aren't they kept similarly to cookies  ?
[21:05:14] <RoanKattouw>	They are static, yes, but we don't advertise it very openly
[21:05:24] <Splarka>	well, currently yes, but that may change in the future if they get abused somehow, or if a dev wants to be a dick, or if per-edit sessions become a fun feature, or some shit
[21:05:27] <RoanKattouw>	It might possibly change some day in the distant future
[21:05:33] <RoanKattouw>	i.e. probably never
[21:05:38] <Alphos>	well, it's in plain sight on [[mw:API]] :s
[21:05:38] <Splarka>	also things like rollbacks, preferences, userrights use unique tokens
[21:05:52] <Alphos>	yeah, that i know
[21:06:23] <Alphos>	but my bot won't request BU status, won't change his preferences, and won't per se invoke rollback :p
[21:06:30] <Alphos>	so, i don't really care :p
[21:06:33] *Alphos 	flees :p
[21:06:41] <Splarka>	well
[21:06:59] <Splarka>	you should at least write a fallback, like if the token fails, fetch one, or if the token fails, abort and wait for master
[21:07:04] <Splarka>	heh
[21:07:07] <Alphos>	already did :p
[21:07:23] <Splarka>	I wonder if the staticisity of a token could be exposed somehow
[21:07:49] <Alphos>	it'll be fun, getting two daemons and one seldomly included php script to work together :D
[21:07:52] <Splarka>	~token="+\" ~tokenunique=""
[21:08:43] <Alphos>	of all that, i'm afraid the only thing i've learned to do well are probably includes :p
[21:08:54] <Alphos>	it'll reaaaally be fun :D
[21:09:23] <Alphos>	(don't worry, i've added loads of security to avoid excessive activity ^^' )
[21:15:15] *brion 	nudges CIA-69 
[21:15:41] *^demon 	kicks CIA-69
[21:15:42] <CIA-69>	ow
[21:15:52] *werdna 	stabs CIA-69 
[21:15:57] *werdna 	eats CIA-69 
[21:15:58] *CIA-69 	tastes crunchy
[21:16:35] <Splarka>	yknow, when the number = 69 that one should eat you back
[21:16:54] <werdna>	o_O
[21:17:46] *MrZ-man 	rubs CIA-69's tummy
[21:17:46] <CIA-69>	*purr*
[21:19:47] *^demon 	throws a rock at CIA-69
[21:20:57] <Alphos>	is a pageid altered if the page is moved ? my guess would be "no", but...
[21:21:39] <^demon>	Yayay, work over \o/
[21:22:03] <OverlordQ>	Alphos: yes
[21:22:07] <OverlordQ>	err no
[21:22:15] <Alphos>	>_>
[21:22:19] <OverlordQ>	Yes it survives moves, no it doesn't change
[21:22:26] <Alphos>	ok ^^
[21:22:31] <Alphos>	thanks again :)
[21:25:09] <Splarka>	Alphos: although that can be a "yes" if you mean the title/id association, as the new redirect created is a new pageid
[21:25:27] <Splarka>	(and don't even ask about deletion/undeletion, ha)
[21:25:44] <Alphos>	the id stays the same, yet the title is modified
[21:25:57] <Alphos>	and a new page with a new id and the old title are created, right ?
[21:26:18] <Alphos>	(the content of the new page being #REDIRECT[[new title]] )
[21:27:13] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, that's exactly what happens when moving pages
[21:27:59] <Alphos>	\o/ KITTEH UNDERSTOODZ MEDIAWIKI
[21:28:01] <Alphos>	:p
[21:28:56] <Alphos>	kitteh killedz Roan :x
[21:29:59] <Matt____>	hello room
[21:30:54] <Spedia>	quick question regarding SEO
[21:32:57] <Spedia>	I've heard search engines don't like the transfer of articles via the export/import function, because it repeats the same content/data 
[21:33:12] <Spedia>	Would love to know what's your opinion on this?
[21:42:46] <Spedia>	ZZZzzzzzzz
[21:51:24] <werdna>	rainman-sr: hey you around? How accessible is Cambridge station to the place the meetup's being held?
[21:51:46] <cirwin>	which cambridge is this?
[21:52:29] <werdna>	UK
[21:52:46] <cirwin>	where's the meetup being held, I can probably tell you
[21:53:27] <werdna>	CB2 internet cafe
[21:53:31] <werdna>	Norfolk St
[21:54:24] <cirwin>	15-20 minutes walk
[21:54:31] <werdna>	okay, easy enough
[21:54:36] <werdna>	I'm gonna take a train up from London
[21:54:48] <cirwin>	kings cross, they go every halfhour ish
[21:55:29] <werdna>	I'm showing every 15 minutes :)
[21:55:50] <cirwin>	perfect then
[21:56:25] <werdna>	indeed
[21:56:40] <werdna>	13.20 with my fancy railcard
[21:56:49] <werdna>	I love European trains, they Just Work
[21:56:55] <flyingparchment>	ahahah
[21:56:56] <cirwin>	heh
[21:56:59] <RoanKattouw>	I second that
[21:57:07] <flyingparchment>	s/european/non-uk
[22:01:51] <werdna>	flyingparchment: dude, British trains are a godsend compared to Australian train services (intercity, at least)
[22:02:16] <werdna>	NOBODY uses our intercity trains.
[22:03:31] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: I can imagine that if they're comparable to Amtrak
[22:03:41] <werdna>	Every time I've used National Rail, it's worked great. I go to the station with a ticket bought in advance, I get on a train, which operates with decent frequency, and it takes me where I want to go.
[22:03:43] <Splarka>	maybe they wouldn't suck if people did use them
[22:03:46] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: Similar I think.
[22:03:51] <werdna>	Splarka: yeah :)
[22:03:54] <RoanKattouw>	Ah yes
[22:04:01] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, that's pretty much how our train system works
[22:04:05] <Splarka>	the problem is parking, too much parking available in the US and AU
[22:04:11] <RoanKattouw>	Except that I don't buy a ticket because students get free train travel
[22:05:04] <werdna>	although the First Capital Connect site seems to suck
[22:05:14] <RoanKattouw>	What's that?
[22:05:23] <werdna>	one of the train operators
[22:08:05] *XalD 	will close the door
[22:09:33] <werdna>	o-o
[22:10:26] <roberthl>	the first capital connect site works well if you book well in advanced
[22:10:37] <roberthl>	but if otherwise it's just a waste of time
[22:11:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) SimpleSecurity - broken with trunk version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19842  (10aran)
[22:24:05] <FF|Skyrider>	hi
[22:25:34] <Simetrical>	werdna, who's parul?
[22:26:00] <FF|Skyrider>	Is there anyway I can remove $wgLogo
[22:26:00] <FF|Skyrider>	?
[22:26:10] <Simetrical>	FF|Skyrider, what do you mean?  Remove it how?
[22:26:37] <FF|Skyrider>	Remove it from the theme
[22:26:39] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: parul is Parul Vora, the Usability Initiative's interface designer (user interaction designer officially, I believe), parutron in #wikipedia_usability
[22:26:39] <FF|Skyrider>	so I don't have a logo
[22:26:46] <Simetrical>	Ah.
[22:26:48] *RoanKattouw 	kicks CIA-69
[22:26:49] <CIA-69>	ow
[22:27:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'Has default form' could work in regular pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19954  +comment (10mgcsinc)
[22:27:21] <werdna>	Simetrical: Parul Vora is our interface lady
[22:27:39] <FF|Skyrider>	I've checked up some of the template files
[22:27:41] <FF|Skyrider>	but I can't find it atm
[22:27:44] <werdna>	you can find her in #wikipedia_usability as parutron
[22:27:55] <werdna>	oh shit, RoanKattouw already said exactly the same thing
[22:28:17] <Splarka>	FF|Skyrider: it is added with inline CSS, you can just remove it with CSS
[22:28:25] <Splarka>	shouldn't break accessability, if you turn it into just a link
[22:28:34] <^demon>	My key doesn't seem to be working :-\ meh
[22:29:15] <FF|Skyrider>	What kind of code should I look exactly?
[22:29:25] <Splarka>	which skin?
[22:29:37] <FF|Skyrider>	gumaxv, if you know it.,
[22:29:50] <Splarka>	well, here is monobook's: <div class="portlet" id="p-logo"><a style="background-image: url(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Wiki.png);" href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Visit the main page [z]" accesskey="z"></a>
[22:30:02] <Splarka>	can you paste the relevant bit from gumavx? the html around the logo that is
[22:30:16] <FF|Skyrider>	and in which file?
[22:30:30] <Splarka>	I mean go to Special:Blankpage and view-source
[22:30:30] <Simetrical>	FF|Skyrider, if you just want to make it not appear, try #p-logo { display: none; } in MediaWiki:Common.css.  You might need to adjust the margin on the thing below it.
[22:30:49] <Simetrical>	Oh, this is some custom skin?  Who knows, then.
[22:30:54] <Splarka>	Simetrical: non-monobook skin, waiting for more info before bad advice^_^
[22:31:11] <Splarka>	FF|Skyrider: can you link to your wiki?
[22:31:19] <Splarka>	if not, pastebin view-source of Special:Blankpage
[22:31:33] <Splarka>	or just the logo html
[22:31:56] <Splarka>	looking
[22:32:04] <Splarka>	heh
[22:32:15] <Splarka>	<div id="gumax-p-logo"><div id="p-logo"><a style="background-image: ....
[22:32:22] <Splarka>	okay, so department of redundancy department
[22:32:36] <Splarka>	do you want a link in its place, or just hide the whole thing?
[22:32:43] <FF|Skyrider>	hide :)
[22:32:50] <Splarka>	then what Simetrical said
[22:33:01] *Splarka 	will test the margins, sec
[22:33:22] <Simetrical>	Absolute positioning is a PITA because it doesn't allow things to Just Work when you do things like remove something.
[22:33:24] <FF|Skyrider>	Thats the thing..
[22:33:28] <FF|Skyrider>	I added #p-logo { display: none; }
[22:33:30] <FF|Skyrider>	nothing is happening
[22:33:31] *Simetrical 	wishes for grid-based layout or whatnot
[22:33:42] <Simetrical>	FF|Skyrider, I'm guessing syntax error or something.
[22:33:49] <Splarka>	or browser cache
[22:33:49] <Simetrical>	Or you put it in the wrong place.
[22:33:52] <Splarka>	or higher specificity
[22:34:01] <Splarka>	or your skin doesn't load Common.css
[22:34:09] <Splarka>	which it doesn't, heh
[22:34:12] <FF|Skyrider>	heh.
[22:34:16] <Splarka>	which means your skin is pre-1.14 I guess
[22:34:25] <FF|Skyrider>	*shrugs*
[22:34:26] <Splarka>	and Special:Verison barfs
[22:34:43] <FF|Skyrider>	is there any website for some nifty skins which are quite new to the latest mediawiki version?
[22:35:22] <Splarka>	you could edit /w/skins/gumaxv/gumax_main.css I guess, since nobody cares about non-core skins
[22:35:32] <Splarka>	or see if Paul Gu has updated the skin
[22:36:15] <FF|Skyrider>	I tried..
[22:36:20] <FF|Skyrider>	I can't find the specific code you found
[22:36:25] <FF|Skyrider>	not in any of the css files
[22:36:35] <Spedia>	hey everyone, is there a way to get email address of all my wiki users? Digging into the mysql database?
[22:36:46] <FF|Skyrider>	Thanks for the reminder Spedia.
[22:36:50] <Splarka>	FF|Skyrider: the code isn't in CSS, it is inline in the html
[22:36:58] <RoanKattouw>	Spedia: SELECT user_email FROM user; if I recall correctly
[22:37:00] <Splarka>	but you must override it in the CSS to change it
[22:37:07] <FF|Skyrider>	ah
[22:37:17] <FF|Skyrider>	Mind sharing the whole code for me to use? I'm not really good at this :s
[22:37:18] <Splarka>	so for example in skins/gumaxv/gumax_main.css add #p-logo { display: none; }
[22:37:20] <Spedia>	thanks roan, will try that
[22:37:27] <FF|Skyrider>	Thanks
[22:37:30] <Splarka>	but AFTER the @import's
[22:37:36] <Splarka>	mmm, plural apostrophe
[22:37:44] <Splarka>	but AFTER the "@import"s
[22:38:38] <FF|Skyrider>	weird.. added #p-logo { display: none; } in the main, but no change.
[22:38:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow limits on number of instances of multiple-instance template forms. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19979 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (mgcsinc)
[22:39:13] <FF|Skyrider>	mmm, now it seems to work.
[22:39:25] <FF|Skyrider>	Anyway to remove it though?
[22:39:36] <FF|Skyrider>	It takes up some space ^^
[22:41:45] <FF|Skyrider>	Can someone also link me to the SMTP settings for me to add in local?
[22:41:55] *Splarka 	re-experiments with the CSS
[22:42:07] <FF|Skyrider>	And does anyone knows a good extension that has a "per page side menu"?
[22:42:11] <FF|Skyrider>	Each page, its own sidemenu.
[22:42:27] <Reedy>	!SMTP
[22:42:27] --mwbot--	See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSMTP> for information about configuring MediaWiki to use SMTP for sending mails, instead of using the sendmail interface.
[22:42:33] <Spedia>	RoanKattouw: argh!! emails don't display :( I get a BLOB line :( 
[22:43:42] *brion 	starts processing http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests
[22:43:44] <Splarka>	FF|Skyrider: #gumax-header {display:none;}
[22:44:00] <werdna>	brion: whee
[22:44:23] <Splarka>	more committers == more code review
[22:44:32] <Splarka>	more code review == more time between scaps
[22:44:38] <Splarka>	more time between scaps == less time for beer and stroopwafels
[22:44:53] <FF|Skyrider>	These SMTP goes in to localsettings?
[22:44:57] <Splarka>	well, okay, not really equal (except in PHP)
[22:44:58] <Simetrical>	Also known as "review by one person doesn't scale".
[22:45:01] <Simetrical>	Or two people.
[22:45:10] <Simetrical>	Not that I have any good alternatives.
[22:45:14] <Splarka>	need more paid reviewers
[22:45:25] <RoanKattouw>	In GerardM-'s words: many of WMF's problems can be reduced to "Brion does not scale"
[22:45:26] <Simetrical>	Yeah, but someone can't be made into a good reviewer just by paying them.
[22:45:33] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, an excellent summary.
[22:45:38] <Splarka>	volunteer code reviewers too easy get distracted when their lack of code review doesn't manifest in lack of food and shelter
[22:46:00] <Simetrical>	Well, the problem is that we don't necessarily have anyone experienced enough to do code review as good as Tim or Brion.
[22:46:02] <FF|Skyrider>	Thanks Splarka.
[22:46:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow limits on number of instances of multiple-instance template forms. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19979  (10yaron57)
[22:46:07] <RoanKattouw>	It's only ever Brion and Tim who review code, but I doubt anyone else is qualified
[22:46:09] <Splarka>	FF: NP
[22:46:15] <RoanKattouw>	Ah Simetrical said the same already
[22:46:24] <Evet>	Do you suggest a hosting firm to purchase dedicated or vps, located in Germany?
[22:46:54] <Simetrical>	I guess the better thing to do would be to make Brion and Tim do more stuff that only they can do, and dump non-essential stuff.
[22:47:04] *Simetrical 	strongly suspects that brion doesn't need to be going to so many meetings.
[22:47:13] <Spedia>	Larry and Sergey are busy to review code this week
[22:47:23] <Simetrical>	At least Tomasz or someone fixes the printer instead of Brion now, though, right?  :)
[22:47:24] <FF|Skyrider>	can I use the SMTP with google mail?
[22:47:33] <Splarka>	1) must be committed to the project, 2) must understand the nuances and interactions between PHP, MySQL, Apache, Squid; users, sysops, sysadmins; and each WMF project, 3) a WMF-paid or contracted employee probably has to have final oversight for the responsibility 4) tl;dr
[22:48:22] <FF|Skyrider>	found it
[22:48:26] <Reedy>	Evet, http://www.hetzner.de/en/
[22:48:36] <werdna>	22:47  * Simetrical strongly suspects that brion doesn't need to be going to so many meetings.
[22:48:41] <werdna>	That's what being CTO involves :)
[22:48:50] <Splarka>	make werdna CTO
[22:48:53] <werdna>	There are probably some people qualified enough to do code review if they had a bit of training
[22:48:57] <werdna>	Splarka: dear god no
[22:49:06] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah and who's gonna train them? :P
[22:49:19] <Simetrical>	Code review is really app-specific.  You can't do good code review if you don't know the application really thoroughly as *well* as being a good programmer.
[22:49:35] <Simetrical>	Didn't Brion once say that he'd be okay just being lead developer and not CTO?  I think I remember that.  Maybe he changed his mind, though.
[22:49:36] <Splarka>	oh and 5) must hate PHP, hate it with a burning passion, hate it enough to not fall for any of its tricks and be misled into thinking some shortcuts will work
[22:49:50] <FF|Skyrider>	Spedia, do you know by any chance how to do a test email?
[22:49:51] <werdna>	Simetrical, for one, could be pretty good at code reviewing MediaWiki code
[22:50:00] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) New favicon for Wikibooks projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17049  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[22:50:06] <Splarka>	Simetrical: do you hate PHP?
[22:50:08] <Simetrical>	Possibly, but not as good as Tim or Brion.  And I'm not for hire.
[22:50:22] <Simetrical>	Splarka, yes.  I just spent some minutes today telling someone how much I hate PHP.
[22:50:27] <Simetrical>	And explaining why it's such a terrible language.
[22:50:35] <Simetrical>	When they asked me what languages I wrote in.
[22:50:38] <Spedia>	FF|Skyrider: test email to who? who do you want to email?
[22:50:41] <Splarka>	heh
[22:50:47] <Simetrical>	I can't tell anyone I write in PHP without explaining how terrible a language it is, you see, lest they get the wrong idea.
[22:50:50] <FF|Skyrider>	Spedia, I've set up the SMTP at the wiki
[22:50:54] <FF|Skyrider>	I wish to test to see if it works properly
[22:51:17] <werdna>	I know the codebase well, but I don't think I'm really rigorous enough to do code review, I'm prone to careless errors.
[22:51:19] <^demon>	There's a guy at work who's trying to learn PHP. I'm teaching, but explaining why it sucks every step along the way.
[22:51:21] <Simetrical>	I believe I didn't finish the sentence before adding appropriate derogatory remarks.
[22:51:32] *brion 	snuggles Simetrical 
[22:51:53] <^demon>	werdna: I have the same problem. I'll get the implementation right and miss some stupid typo.
[22:51:56] <werdna>	Simetrical: I know what you mean :P
[22:52:02] <Spedia>	FF|Skyrider: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Email_notification/test_cases
[22:52:05] <werdna>	^demon: I have a horrible habit of missing semicolons :D
[22:52:34] <roberthl>	Parse errors aren't so bad because they'll stand out on test,wikipedia.org.
[22:52:38] <werdna>	been writing in semicoloned languages since 2004, and I still miss them
[22:52:39] <Simetrical>	werdna, yes, but that doesn't mean we're on the same side.  None of this "enemy of the enemy is my friend" stuff for me.  You like Perl, and therefore cannot be trusted.
[22:52:42] *Simetrical 	eyes werdna warily
[22:52:45] <werdna>	Simetrical: ;)
[22:52:48] <brion>	pulled pork sandwich == win
[22:53:03] <FF|Skyrider>	Spedia.. that's quite confusing :s
[22:53:06] <^demon>	brion: I think my Thai crispy duck might
[22:53:07] <werdna>	no pork sandwiches for Simetrical 
[22:53:17] <werdna>	I go for toasted ham + cheese
[22:53:45] <Simetrical>	Today I've only eaten cookies.
[22:53:49] <werdna>	om nom nom
[22:53:53] <Simetrical>	I bought about four pounds of cookies at the supermarket.
[22:53:54] <brion>	werdna: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/11.php
[22:54:02] <Simetrical>	And ate a lot of them.
[22:54:11] <werdna>	Lauren keeps me on the straight and narrow, diet-wise
[22:54:14] <^demon>	That's a lot of cookies.
[22:54:32] <werdna>	brion: \o/
[22:55:09] <Simetrical>	It was $14.
[22:55:27] <Simetrical>	I had been buying them package by package at the local grocery store, you see, but it's much cheaper to buy lots at once at the supermarket.
[22:55:37] <Evet>	thanks Reedy
[22:55:55] <werdna>	:))
[22:56:03] <werdna>	bulk ftw
[22:56:09] <Simetrical>	I've been paying for most of my own food since the beginning of last week.  My parents are forcing me to spend some money on myself now that I'm actually making some (stipend for being a grad student).
[22:56:21] <werdna>	My second-closest grocery store is an ASDA -- it's a WAL-MART subsidiary
[22:56:36] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: What do you do then?
[22:56:39] *Splarka 	makes 10 pounds of oatmeal cookies sometimes, but then eats them all
[22:56:45] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, what?
[22:56:47] <werdna>	they sell everything from bread and milk to outdoor dining sets and netbooks and stuff
[22:56:55] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: As in, what kind of work do you do?
[22:57:05] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, I'm a graduate student, or about to become one.
[22:57:09] <Simetrical>	So, I take courses.
[22:57:13] <Simetrical>	And will eventually work on a thesis.
[22:57:23] <RoanKattouw>	And how does that make you money?
[22:57:25] <Simetrical>	Also I can grade/teach/etc. for some extra money, if I want, eventually.
[22:57:29] <Simetrical>	Because I have a fellowship.
[22:57:35] <werdna>	of the ring?
[22:57:45] <Simetrical>	No, a McCracken fellowship, I'm afraid.
[22:57:59] <Simetrical>	You don't normally get into Ph.D. programs in the sciences in America without a fellowship that pays your tuition plus enough money to live off of.
[22:58:12] <Simetrical>	It's about $24,000 for nine months in my case, plus whatever I can get from summer programs.
[22:58:21] <Simetrical>	Which is just fine since I'm still living at home.  :D
[22:58:21] <werdna>	what are you going to do when you run out of education?
[22:58:39] <Simetrical>	Hey, dude, I can always get Ph.D.s in physics and computer science.
[22:58:41] <Simetrical>	(just kidding)
[22:58:44] *^demon 	needs to finish his BS.
[22:58:51] <Simetrical>	I'm going to get a job.
[22:58:55] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: So you're working on a PhD right now? Or still on BSc/MSc?
[22:58:58] <Simetrical>	Well, most likely postdocs first.
[22:59:05] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[22:59:07] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, I'll start the Ph.D. program this fall.  In, like, a month.
[22:59:22] <Simetrical>	Anyway, if I can't get a professorship somewhere I'll probably become a programmer.  Whatever.
[22:59:34] *Spedia 	wants crepes
[22:59:40] <henna>	RoanKattouw: just remember US phd program is fairly different from the European ones I know
[22:59:45] <RoanKattouw>	I know
[22:59:47] <Simetrical>	I'd like to get a Ph.D. anyway, just so I can say "Oh, well, I have a Ph.D. in mathematics from NYU."
[22:59:47] <henna>	you need to take actual courses for them :)
[22:59:50] <RoanKattouw>	Especially in terms of funding
[22:59:53] <Splarka>	get a PhD in: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=709330&in_page_id=34
[23:00:10] <Simetrical>	You only have to take courses until you pass your oral examinations, as far as I can tell.
[23:00:26] <henna>	in .be you'd ussually be funded by teaching or a grant or a fellowship as well for a phd
[23:00:33] <FF|Skyrider>	And does anyone knows a good extension that has a "per page side menu"?
[23:00:42] <henna>	Simetrical: do you go straight from bachelor to phd or do you have to go via a masters degree?
[23:00:57] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) A {{strlen}} (core) function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18158  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:01:11] <Simetrical>	henna, either way.  Usually you'd go straight to a Ph.D., a master's is unnecessary.  But you can get a master's first if you want.
[23:01:27] <Simetrical>	Once I pass my written examinations, I believe I can drop out of the program with a master's if I like.
[23:01:32] <henna>	Simetrical: we have to go through a masters
[23:01:36] <Simetrical>	werdna, are you going to ever do the enwiki main page?  It seems like far too much effort for me to undergo RFA for it.
[23:01:50] <werdna>	you always tell me at like midnight
[23:01:52] <Simetrical>	henna, you usually get the master's at the same time as the Ph.D. here.
[23:01:58] <Simetrical>	werdna, well, you're always on at like midnight.
[23:02:08] <werdna>	Simetrical: I'm always on from like 8am to midnight
[23:02:17] <Simetrical>	Yes, but times when normal people aren't on don't count.
[23:02:19] <werdna>	fucking timezones :)
[23:02:22] <Simetrical>	(normal people being, of course, me)
[23:02:27] <werdna>	"normal people" = Americans?
[23:02:35] <Simetrical>	No, me specifically.
[23:02:46] <Simetrical>	If I happen to be in Israel, then UTC+2 is normal at that point.
[23:02:48] <^demon>	Simetrical: What needs doing to enwiki's main page?
[23:02:50] <Simetrical>	(or whatever it is)
[23:03:02] <Spedia>	what's everyone's country?
[23:03:05] <Simetrical>	^demon, HTML 5 conformance.
[23:03:07] <Spedia>	US
[23:03:21] <Simetrical>	^demon, I posted to the talk page but it got eaten by the archive bot now.
[23:03:26] *Simetrical 	afks
[23:03:30] <^demon>	Stupid archive bots.
[23:05:35] <FF|Skyrider>	Anyone knows what this means?
[23:05:42] <FF|Skyrider>	Warning: UserMailer::require_once(Mail.php) [function.UserMailer-require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /x/includes/UserMailer.php on line 119
[23:06:56] <FF|Skyrider>	anyone? :s
[23:07:39] <^demon>	FF|Skyrider: Sounds like you don't have PEAR Mail installed.
[23:08:11] <Saggo>	Hi, im trying to setup a wiki descriping 4 different games. The problem is that i need to make 4 different wikis on the same domain, so i get game.domain.com/topic, but how do i sync the users?
[23:08:56] <FF|Skyrider>	k, thanks
[23:09:33] <FF|Skyrider>	I still need a "per page sidemenu" though ^_^
[23:10:41] <^demon>	Might be an extension.
[23:10:44] <^demon>	It's definitely not in core.
[23:11:25] <Evet>	Amd Athlon64 X2 5600+ + 2gb DDR2 RAM + 800gb HDD = 49 euro monthly
[23:11:53] <Saggo>	Anyone know how to sync users etc between multiple wikis likie wikia.com
[23:12:04] <RoanKattouw>	!e CentralAuth | Saggo 
[23:12:04] --mwbot--	Saggo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth
[23:12:07] <Evet>	Intel Core i7-920 Quadcore + 8gb DDR3 RAM + 1500gb HDD = 49 euro monthly + 149 euro setup fee
[23:12:12] *^demon 	stabs RoanKattouw
[23:12:23] <RoanKattouw>	What for?
[23:12:23] <^demon>	There's easier ways than using CA...
[23:12:51] <Evet>	Which is better?
[23:12:53] <^demon>	$wgSharedTables or whatever it is.
[23:12:56] <Saggo>	Thanks
[23:13:15] <^demon>	Just share the user table, and you'll be fine.
[23:13:52] <Saggo>	Okay ill try that extension
[23:16:09] <Saggo>	Demon: So i can just set $wgSharedTables in the conf file. and thats it? no use of the extension?
[23:16:35] <^demon>	It's not an extension, it's a config var to allow you to make some tables shared across databases. Read up on the docs.
[23:17:00] <FF|Skyrider>	^demon
[23:17:03] <Saggo>	Ok ty
[23:17:07] <FF|Skyrider>	There is an extension for it.
[23:17:10] <FF|Skyrider>	Just. not working
[23:17:18] *^demon 	shrugs
[23:17:35] <^demon>	!centralauth
[23:17:35] --mwbot--	CentralAuth extension allows global/shared accounts between projects.  For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth>
[23:18:00] <FF|Skyrider>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CustomSidebar <-
[23:18:01] <FF|Skyrider>	I believe thats it
[23:18:02] <^demon>	!centralauth is CentralAuth extension allows global/shared accounts between projects, it's generally not needed for small-scall wiki farms.  For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth>
[23:18:02] --mwbot--	Keyword "centralauth" already exists. Use "!centralauth del" to remove it.
[23:18:08] <^demon>	!centralauth del
[23:18:08] --mwbot--	Successfully removed keyword: centralauth
[23:18:12] <^demon>	!centralauth is CentralAuth extension allows global/shared accounts between projects, it's generally not needed for small-scall wiki farms.  For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth>
[23:18:12] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: centralauth
[23:18:57] <^demon>	FF|Skyrider: I'll take a quick look. It's not in SVN so there's not much I can do :-\
[23:22:03] <FF|Skyrider>	^demon, nvm :)
[23:22:07] <^demon>	ok.
[23:22:15] <FF|Skyrider>	The one I linked you is an exact same version of another extension
[23:22:19] <FF|Skyrider>	but this one is newer, which works! :D
[23:22:24] <FF|Skyrider>	I never saw this one before.
[23:25:03] <^demon>	\o/ Less than 2400
[23:25:15] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Request: parameters in categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1775  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:35:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Zoom out pinch fault with Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19980 normal; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (malrase)
[23:41:33] <FF|Skyrider>	Hey ^demon
[23:41:37] <FF|Skyrider>	Have you helped me before with short URL?
[23:42:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support W3C geolocation API for in-browser geographic search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15957  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:42:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement geolocation into Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19920  (10innocentkiller)
[23:43:04] <^demon>	FF|Skyrider: Possibly.
[23:43:10] <FF|Skyrider>	I still am having issues with it
[23:43:52] <^demon>	:-\
[23:43:58] <FF|Skyrider>	short URL pages are working fine
[23:44:03] <FF|Skyrider>	just not any of the "action" parts, such as edits
[23:44:19] <FF|Skyrider>	Still brings me to "/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit"
[23:44:26] <^demon>	Can you pastebin your .htaccess, $wgArticlePath and $wgScriptPath somewhere?
[23:44:37] <FF|Skyrider>	sure
[23:44:40] <FF|Skyrider>	not through PM?
[23:44:51] <^demon>	FF|Skyrider: Wait you mean you want to do /wiki/Article?action=edit ?
[23:45:50] <FF|Skyrider>	I wish it to be something from subdomain.domain.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit to subdomain.domain.com/Main_Page&action=edit
[23:46:47] <^demon>	That's not a normal setup...most people display on /wiki/Page and do actions through /w/index.php?title=Page&action=edit
[23:47:15] <FF|Skyrider>	No way for me to hide the /w/ and index part?
[23:47:28] <FF|Skyrider>	if it works for the wiki pages, why not the actions?
[23:49:07] <brion>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access_requests/Archive_1#July_28.2C_2009
[23:49:09] <brion>	boo-yah
[23:52:19] <^demon>	brion: w00t \o/
[23:52:35] <FF|Skyrider>	:(
[23:52:38] <FF|Skyrider>	Any idea demn?
[23:52:40] <FF|Skyrider>	*Demon
[23:53:16] <^demon>	FF|Skyrider: Offhand no. I'm not sure $wgScriptPath and $wgArticlePath will behave like that.
[23:53:32] <Simetrical>	FF|Skyrider, hiding for the actions is usually not done.  If you don't hide it for the actions, you can conveniently block robots from anything other than page views.
[23:53:38] <Simetrical>	^demon, sure they will if you want.
[23:53:44] <Simetrical>	You can also use action paths.
[23:53:54] <Simetrical>	Those are used by the toolserver wiki and . . . no one else in the universe.
[23:54:33] <^demon>	FF|Skyrider: Listen to Simetrical. I'm tired and don't know what I'm talking about.
[23:54:43] <FF|Skyrider>	I'm actually quite confused myself :p
[23:54:59] <^demon>	brion: +13 committers. We are lucky :)
[23:55:15] <FF|Skyrider>	So what exactly should I do?
[23:55:24] *Simetrical 	looks at election candidates, sees four names he recognizes, immediately rejects one, makes a mental note to vote for the three incumbents
[23:55:28] <Simetrical>	Mmm, democracy at work.
[23:55:48] <FF|Skyrider>	$wgArticlePath = "/$1"; / $wgScriptPath = "/w"; <- is my info btw
[23:56:42] <Simetrical>	Bah, should I do an RFA or not?
[23:57:55] <FF|Skyrider>	I dunno what to do :s
[23:58:00] <^demon>	Simetrical: I'll !vote yes
[23:58:10] <Simetrical>	Meh, it's probably not worth it.
[23:58:16] <Simetrical>	^demon, are you an enwiki sysop?
[23:58:27] <FF|Skyrider>	Simetrical, can I at least hide /w/
[23:58:27] <FF|Skyrider>	?
[23:58:45] <Simetrical>	FF|Skyrider, I'm not sure what exactly you're asking at this point.
[23:59:09] <FF|Skyrider>	I wish to hide specific words/letters/numbers in the action urls
[23:59:23] <Simetrical>	More specific?
[23:59:24] <FF|Skyrider>	In this case: /w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit <- I wish to hide /w/
[23:59:35] <FF|Skyrider>	So it'll show: index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit
[23:59:47] <FF|Skyrider>	Better if I can hide the index as well ^_^