[00:03:47] *Emufarmers 	pokes Ryan_Lane
[00:05:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Atomic updates for sync scripts (scap etc) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20085  +comment (10tfinc)
[00:07:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Atomic updates for sync scripts (scap etc) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20085 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion)
[00:08:01] <^demon>	Wikibugs got it backwards.
[00:09:01] *Mike_lifeguard 	raps wikibugs' knuckles
[00:10:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set up site service status/uptime/downtime dashboard similar to Google Apps status page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20083  (10tfinc)
[00:16:20] <OverlordQ>	^demon: is there a way for the maintnence scripts to spit out the --help doc by default if you're missing required parameters?
[00:21:06] <CIA-32>	03nad * r54500 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.i18n.php RecordAdmin.php): allow addition of record type info below title with $wgRecordAdminAddTitleInfo
[00:22:18] <^demon>	OverlordQ: I was thinking of doing that. I just hadn't gotten around to it.
[00:32:52] <^demon>	OverlordQ: Done.
[00:33:05] <CIA-32>	03demon * r54501 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/Maintenance.php: Clean up missing param error, show help on die. -params are still kind of wonky. Could use a second set of eyes.
[00:36:25] <Subfader>	Is there a way to combine two parser functions? I need two checks for a false. If foo && bar are true do nothing, else OK. So in the following I'd need to set OK twice which is very long code. {{#ifeq:foo|{{#if:bar||OK}}|OK}}  I could use OK in a template but I wonder if there's an easier way.
[00:37:38] <Subfader>	 {{#ifeq:foo|bla|{{#if:bar||OK}}|OK}}
[00:37:52] <cirwin>	you can check for {{#ifeq:{{{foo|+}}}{{{bar|-}}}|{{{foo|-}}}{{{bar|+}}}| <true> | <false> }}
[00:38:19] <Subfader>	i forgot the ifeq comparing string here
[00:38:57] <cirwin>	not sure exactly what you want though
[00:44:55] <Subfader>	I have very long code which should NOT be executed if foo=bla and bar=true. So I'd set up {{#ifeq:foo|bla|{{#if:bar|FALSE|TRUE}}}} Now to execute TRUE also if foo is not bar I need to repeat the whole code which is very long. {{#ifeq:foo|bla|{{#if:bar||OK}}|OK}}
[00:45:05] <Subfader>	I want to avoid adding that twice
[00:47:32] <cirwin>	{{#ifeq:{{{foo}}}-{{{bar}}}|bla-true ?
[00:48:02] <cirwin>	or {{#ifeq:{{{foo}}}-{{{bar|+}}}|bla-{{{bar|-}}}| ?
[00:53:32] <Subfader>	what's that + - about?
[00:53:33] <Subfader>	t's not math. **confused**
[00:54:09] <cirwin>	well, if bar is not set, then the {{#ifeq:}} fails
[00:54:32] <cirwin>	because {{#ifeq:+|-||FALSE}}
[00:54:42] <cirwin>	you can use anything there, as long as they are different
[00:57:15] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, the ants are still all over the sour cream, even though they've turned it into a powder now
[00:57:32] <Emufarmers>	More on this breaking news as it develops
[00:57:40] <OverlordQ>	that makes me want to go play simant now
[00:57:46] <Emufarmers>	Yeah :(
[00:58:12] *OverlordQ 	fires up zsnes
[00:58:14] <Emufarmers>	I don't think I was ever very good at that game.  Of course, I was probably 6 or 7 at the time, so...
[01:01:06] <Budsy>	Wow, look at you all!
[01:01:29] <Subfader>	the thing is if case1=bla, check for case2 (ifexpr actually). if all that is true, do nothing, else go on. but also go on if case1 is not bla. without repeating the code to continue.
[01:01:44] <Budsy>	I just installed Media Wiki. How do I modify the Navigation menu? I can't find it as a page.
[01:01:48] *GreenReaper 	hides behind a stack of unreviewed bugs.
[01:01:57] <Emufarmers>	!sidebar | Budsy
[01:01:57] --mwbot--	Budsy: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[01:01:58] <GreenReaper>	I think you want MediaWiki:Sidebar
[01:02:08] <Budsy>	There is no sidebar page or access.
[01:02:34] <Budsy>	No reference to sidebar appears anywhere.
[01:02:42] <GreenReaper>	Right. You go to that page, and click edit.
[01:02:55] <GreenReaper>	Then it exists.
[01:02:57] <Budsy>	Can't go to that page.
[01:03:00] <GreenReaper>	Sure you can.
[01:03:05] <GreenReaper>	Just type it in, or link to it.
[01:04:00] <Budsy>	I'm still mystified. Let's say I want to respell the 'Help' link in the siderbar...
[01:04:35] <cirwin>	Budsy: have you read the help page?
[01:04:36] <Budsy>	I want to 'open' the existing sidebar that ships with MWiki, but there is no access that I can see.
[01:04:50] <Budsy>	Yes. It talks about MediaWiki:sidebar 
[01:04:50] <Subfader>	no worries. off to sleep. thanks anyway cirwin
[01:05:03] <GreenReaper>	And what happens if you go to the page MediaWiki:Sidebar and click edit? :-)
[01:05:10] <cirwin>	click "create"
[01:05:22] <Budsy>	Gan't go there because it is not visible from any page in any form.
[01:05:33] <GreenReaper>	[21:02.59] (GreenReaper): Just type it in, or link to it.
[01:05:34] <cirwin>	Budsy: you have a search box, and you can easily create a link
[01:05:49] <Budsy>	Yes, I see the search box.
[01:05:49] <GreenReaper>	I mean, the URL bar is right there. :-)
[01:05:52] <cirwin>	or replace Main_page by MediaWiki:Sidebar inthe address bar
[01:06:09] <Budsy>	hmm.
[01:07:15] <Budsy>	Well, I did get an empy page when I put that in the address bar.
[01:07:59] <cirwin>	what is the link to your main page?
[01:08:01] <GreenReaper>	Most of the user interface is controlled by pages within the MediaWiki namespace. You can get a list of most of them if you go to the page Special:AllMessages, which is also accessible via the "Special pages" link in the toolbox.
[01:10:28] <Budsy>	That gave me quite a full page of info. I'll gaze at it.
[01:12:26] <Budsy>	Well, I tried editing 'help' That was fine. But obviously it is not the 'Help' page that is built into the nav menu. That link just goes to nowhere.
[01:12:40] <cirwin>	MediaWiki:help
[01:13:35] <Budsy>	Yes, I got to the MediaWiki:help. And it says 'help', which I just typed in and saved. But the hotlink in the nav menu does nothing but go to a browser crash page.
[01:13:51] <Budsy>	Same with the community portal.
[01:13:54] <cirwin>	then something is set up very wrong
[01:13:59] <Budsy>	Uh oh.
[01:14:05] <Budsy>	Everything works except that.
[01:14:10] <GreenReaper>	The text that is displayed in the sidebar is editable at MediaWiki:Help. The name of the page that it *goes* to is editable at MediaWiki:helppage.
[01:14:13] <cirwin>	what error message do you get?
[01:14:25] <GreenReaper>	Normally it will be something like Help:Contents
[01:14:46] <Budsy>	It's just the standard IExplorer 'no page' sort of error display. Not a server crash or anything. The link just isn't live.
[01:15:46] <Budsy>	I've made a couple of installs of the latest MediaWiki on two server. They are exactly the same in behavior. I thought this was a 'feature' ;-)
[01:16:18] <cirwin>	you should normally see the mediawiki page not found rather than a browser error, but it's not that important
[01:16:18] <Budsy>	Try one of them at http://www.cosmo2.net/mwiki if anybody wants
[01:17:08] <Emufarmers>	Works for me
[01:17:15] <cirwin>	that error message comes from your server
[01:17:21] <Budsy>	You tried the help menu, and it works??!!!!
[01:17:35] <GreenReaper>	I got a 404
[01:17:41] <GreenReaper>	which is odd
[01:17:43] <Emufarmers>	Oh, that: IIS goofiness
[01:17:46] <Emufarmers>	one moment
[01:17:50] <Budsy>	You're right. It's a 404. Page not found.
[01:18:26] <Emufarmers>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18270#c19
[01:18:50] <cirwin>	Budsy: I've created the Help:Contents page for you with "test"
[01:18:55] <cirwin>	so you can now view and edit it
[01:19:03] <cirwin>	(or delete it ;)
[01:19:28] <cirwin>	to do that I just added &action=edit at the end of the address of the page with a 404
[01:19:42] <Budsy>	Ah.
[01:19:46] <Budsy>	Interesting.
[01:20:24] <GreenReaper>	But yeah, you might want to follow what Emufarmers's link suggests, 'cause that's one odd error.
[01:20:58] <Budsy>	I'll investigate.
[01:21:19] <Led_Zeppelin>	hello, I was wondering if there is a way to restrict access to a page? I only want certain authenticated users to view the page/attachment
[01:21:28] <Emufarmers>	Nothing odd about it: new versions of MW send out 404s for nonexistent pages.  IIS intercepts 404 if it's misconfigured (which is probably the default).
[01:22:00] <cirwin>	!access | Led_Zeppelin
[01:22:00] --mwbot--	Led_Zeppelin: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[01:22:48] <GreenReaper>	Oh, they finally do that?
[01:23:06] <GreenReaper>	When did that one change?
[01:23:14] <Emufarmers>	Probably 1.14ish
[01:24:22] <Emufarmers>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585
[01:25:37] <Budsy>	Ok, I have successfully created pages for the dead menu links. Thanks for the tip. So, now I need to figure out how to edit the navigation menu itself... let's say, to add a new link.
[01:25:59] <cirwin>	MediaWiki:Sidebar
[01:26:19] <Budsy>	That's what I'm about to try. BRB
[01:28:02] <Budsy>	Ok, I get it now.
[01:28:16] <Budsy>	Slightly non-standard, but it does work.
[01:28:19] <Piki>	ok, so, i need help logging in to my wiki. it doesn't give an error, just returns me to the previous page i was on
[01:31:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Blank articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20084 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (wwing225)
[01:37:11] <Piki>	anybody on who can help with logging in to my wiki?
[01:43:37] <Emufarmers>	Check the permissions on tmp?  Uh, you already tried rebooting the server; are logins for other PHP apps on it working okay?
[01:45:02] <Piki>	yes, my phpBB logins work just fine
[01:46:33] <Piki>	hm, even with global read/write permissions on tmp, i still can't log in
[01:48:49] <Annemarie>	What's the error?
[01:49:21] <Piki>	there isn't any error, logging in just redirects to the last page i was on without actually logging me in
[01:57:04] <Piki>	it seems that checking off the option to remember my login works
[01:57:10] <Piki>	but i shouldn't have to do that
[01:58:07] <Annemarie>	Have you tried different browsers?
[01:58:34] <Piki>	no, only firefox
[02:03:54] <CIA-32>	03conrad * r54502 10/trunk/extensions/Transliterator/Transliterator.php: Use lowercase as first fallback with an option to maintain case-sensitivity
[02:04:33] <Piki>	seems to work just fine in konqueror, but not in firefox. i did clear my cache in firefox before coming on here, though
[02:15:05] <Schroeder>	DEATH BY WAMPUM!
[02:18:05] <dadau>	Hi, Hopefully a simple question; I have 2 forms, the first is a list of people and their phone numbers, the second is a list of documents and their authors.  How can I make an #ask query that shows the list of people and phone numbers as well as red links for all the authors.(authors property has default form same as people property) - --let me know if this should be in #semanticmediawiki.
[02:18:34] <Annemarie>	Hey Schroeder.
[02:19:05] <CIA-32>	03shinjiman * r54503 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[02:20:09] <Schroeder>	hi
[02:30:05] <Piki>	i guess i'd like to return to my original question, which is why can't i upload a picture? it seems to upload just fine without any errors, but when i try to view the picture, i don't see any picture at all but instead a message that the page doesn't exist and offering to let me create the page
[02:31:12] <Emufarmers>	It'd help if you could provide a link
[02:32:56] <Piki>	http://wiki.arklinux.org/File:ArkWikiHeader.png <-- if you look here, it says that the file is uploaded, but if you click where the picture should be (which there isn't any picture), you get a page offering to create a page that doesn't exist
[02:33:23] <Emufarmers>	You've got a bad rewrite rule
[02:33:52] <Emufarmers>	(yes, links make it much easier to diagnose :))
[02:34:34] <Ryan_Lane>	Emufarmers: ?
[02:34:59] <Emufarmers>	Ryan_Lane: oh, somebody was asking something about LDAP auth
[02:35:06] <Ryan_Lane>	ah
[02:35:24] <Piki>	Emufarmers: rewrite rule, as in chmod, or i need to edit some file somewhere?
[02:36:12] <Ryan_Lane>	looks like that person isn't here anymore. oh well
[02:38:20] <Emufarmers>	Piki: .htaccess, probably
[02:38:32] <Emufarmers>	I assume you tried something from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL ?
[02:38:39] <Emufarmers>	(or one of its subpages)
[02:40:41] <Piki>	Emufarmers: no, couldn't find anything there related to my problem. as for .htaccess, not familiar with how to use/edit it, and AFAIK my web host doesn't use it
[02:44:15] <Emufarmers>	Well, some combination of .htaccess rules, $wgArticlePath, and $wgScriptPath is messed up; I'd suggest you restore them to their defaults
[02:46:21] <Piki>	Emufarmers: i don't know the defaults
[02:47:21] <Emufarmers>	Well, what do you have in LocalSettings.php?
[02:49:25] <Piki>	$wgArticlePath = "/$1"; $wgScriptPath       = "";
[02:50:26] <Emufarmers>	Try $wgScriptPath = '/wiki';
[02:51:05] <Emufarmers>	and $wgArticlePath = {$wgScript}?title=$1; or $wgArticlePath = {$wgScript}/$1;
[02:54:18] <Piki>	wtf? my LocalSettings.php just disappeared
[02:55:42] <Piki>	is that /supposed/ to happen?
[02:56:07] <Emufarmers>	No
[02:56:10] <Emufarmers>	I didn't eat it, I swear
[02:57:02] <Piki>	does anyone have a generic LocalSettings.php that i can edit to point to my database, or does mediawiki come with one automatically?
[02:57:17] <Annemarie>	You lost it?
[02:57:41] <Piki>	it disappeared right when i was about to make Emufarmers's edit to it
[02:57:51] <Piki>	not that i blame Emufarmers
[02:58:01] <Annemarie>	Run config/index.php to make a new one.
[02:58:04] <Piki>	but i don't think that's supposed to happen
[03:03:40] <Piki>	after regenerating the LocalSettings.php, i get the error:
[03:03:43] <Piki>	Error, Setup.php must be included from the file scope, after DefaultSettings.php
[03:05:11] <Emufarmers>	All I see is "To complete the installation, move config/LocalSettings.php to the parent directory."
[03:05:47] <Piki>	i'm getting that AFTER moving the LocalSettings.php
[03:06:59] <Piki>	and no wander, the LocalSettings.php that it generated is empty
[03:10:41] <Piki>	wtf? it doesn't want to generate an actual LocalSettings.php, it keeps making an empty file
[03:16:40] <uberfuzzy>	is there any way (eithe with core base stuff or with an extension, but NOT dpl) to get a random page from a category? Functionally, I'd want it to work like Special:random (with a redirect, and linkable), but be limited to a category. I only know of per namespace
[03:26:46] <Piki>	does anybody at all have a generic LocalSettings.php? the install script keeps generating a blank one
[03:28:24] <Emufarmers>	You should probably re-download MediaWiki; 1.15 instead of trunk would be a good idea
[03:34:50] <Piki>	An error occured while writing the config/LocalSettings.php file. Check user rights and disk space then try again.
[03:35:07] <Piki>	i know the disk space is there
[03:36:15] <Piki>	that's with 1.15.1
[03:39:47] <Piki>	then when i try again, it generates a blank file
[03:48:01] <dadau>	can anyoune help with this: I have 2 forms, the first is a list of people and their phone numbers, the second is a list of documents and their authors.  How can I make an #ask query that shows the list of people and phone numbers as well as red links for all the authors.(authors property has default form same as people property)
[03:50:34] <Emufarmers>	Piki: it's supposed to detect permissions problems, but are you sure?  Try chmod 777 config
[03:51:01] <Emufarmers>	Also, are you SURE there's enough space?  Try df
[03:51:45] <Emufarmers>	dadau: did you try #semanticmediawiki?
[03:52:05] <dadau>	hey emu.  Yes I did, but noone is home
[03:53:05] <Piki>	Emufarmers: i did do a df, there's a bunch of space free, and i did do the chmod already
[03:53:38] <Emufarmers>	dadau: well, it's late at night or early in the morning right now, so perhaps the SMW people are asleep; you might try later, or their mailing list
[03:54:13] <dadau>	ok..thanks
[04:05:24] <Piki>	any other suggestions?
[04:06:50] <CIA-32>	03aaron * r54504 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/rebuildFileCache.php: fix more breakage from r54255
[04:12:56] <Piki>	finally, got it to work somehow
[04:14:05] <Piki>	how do i enable uploads in the wiki when i know that they're enabled in php.ini?
[04:14:36] <Piki>	i'm assuming it's something obvious in LocalSettings.php
[04:15:44] <Piki>	found it in the manual :-)
[04:17:49] <Piki>	and my file uploads are fixed
[04:18:03] <Piki>	thanks for all the suggestions and help
[04:18:31] <CIA-32>	03shinjiman * r54505 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesZh_hans.php MessagesZh_hant.php): 
[04:18:31] <CIA-32>	Fix up the gender support for the Chinese languages.
[04:18:31] <CIA-32>	Thanks Liangent to point them out.
[04:18:31] <CIA-32>	Follow up of r51027 (bug 18847) and r54473.
[04:53:30] <CIA-32>	03philip * r54506 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesZh_hans.php: Localization updates for zh-hans.
[05:02:48] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Allow blocking email for IPs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17787  +comment (10nakonwiki)
[05:02:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Emailuser doesn't check whether user's IP is blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18860  (10nakonwiki)
[05:03:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cmnamespace in API categorymembers does not work on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20072  +comment (10herd)
[05:15:25] <charitwo>	!rar
[05:15:25] --mwbot--	rar
[05:15:51] <Splarka>	that's what she said
[05:24:32] <charitwo>	is it possible to change the default color in image captions without setting each one manually page by page
[05:25:42] <p858snake_>	they are most likely applied a css class
[05:25:55] <charitwo>	yes, that's why i'm here
[05:26:41] <p858snake_>	then you can with [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] or [[Mediawiki:<Skinname>.css]] (eg: [[Mediawiki:Monobook.css]])
[05:27:10] <charitwo>	p858snake_: yes, i know
[05:27:13] <charitwo>	I want to know the CLASS
[05:27:15] <charitwo>	not HOW
[05:27:58] <charitwo>	anyone that is actually helpful ?
[05:28:01] <charitwo>	Splarka ?
[05:28:12] <Emufarmers>	thumbinner?
[05:28:51] *p858snake_ 	brings up firebug
[05:29:40] <p858snake_>	<div class="thumbcaption">
[05:29:50] <Splarka>	charitwo: view-source you lazy git
[05:31:07] <charitwo>	lazy is right ^_^
[05:31:36] <p858snake_>	http://pastie.org/573602 <thats a whole image w/ caption
[05:32:13] <p858snake_>	oh i didn't expand the whole thing
[05:34:08] <p858snake_>	http://pastie.org/573603 <whole image w/ caption
[05:35:26] <charitwo>	p858snake_: i already changed the class 6 minutes ago, i just needed the name
[06:01:49] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: why not?
[06:10:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhanced editing toolbar displacement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19998  (10tparscal)
[06:11:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Override this function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20081  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:11:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blank articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20084  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:11:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enhanced editing toolbar displacement - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19998  (10tparscal)
[06:14:04] <dadau>	Hi..Is it possible to filter and show only the "red link" results in an #ask query?
[06:18:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Return to" item doesn't retain contextual parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13  (10tparscal)
[06:20:32] <p858snake_>	is there a hook on the stats page so extenstions can their own data to the page?
[06:22:50] *Splarka 	shakes the magic grep ball
[06:22:53] <Emufarmers>	Doesn't seem like it
[06:22:58] <Splarka>	p858snake_: outlook not good
[06:23:17] <Splarka>	http://google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package:svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk+file:phase3/includes/specials/+wfrunhooks
[06:23:25] <Splarka>	not a lot of hooks there anyhow
[06:27:59] <Fir>	brb
[06:33:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add a hook on Special:Statistics for Extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20086 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (p858snake)
[07:25:00] <CIA-32>	03jojo * r54507 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.hooks.php: fix: renamed
[07:26:04] <mibbim>	is there some nice way to get article children (ie. suppose i have pages A, A/B and A/C. such a query on A would return B and C) without having to actually access the db?
[07:26:16] <mibbim>	i mean to access the db via SQL :)
[07:29:39] <CIA-32>	03jojo * r54508 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: use wfMsgForContent() for book mode article
[07:32:34] <p858snake_>	you could transulculde the prefix index i think
[07:32:37] <p858snake_>	let me test
[07:33:31] <Annemarie>	There's the API.
[07:33:42] <nightblind>	Boun Giorno, We got problems with the Collection - Extension: How do we activate the "book"-modul in the side-bar?
[07:33:59] <mibbim>	i'm just looking at ApiQueryAllpages
[07:34:20] <p858snake_>	mibbim: if you want it displayed within the article you can use {{Special:PrefixIndex/<ARTICLENAME>}} but you need to have subpages turned on in that ns
[07:35:02] <mibbim>	p858snake_: alright. i'm trying to write a little extension to generate a list containing links to sibling pages (currently i use horrible template hack for this :) )
[07:36:28] <p858snake_>	the way i showed also has a special page [[Special:PrefixIndex]] so you can use its interface as well
[07:37:14] <mibbim>	yeah. thanks for the tip :)
[07:37:23] <mibbim>	i will give that a go
[07:50:48] <CIA-32>	03jojo * r54509 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/js/bookmode.js: remove debug code
[07:51:03] <mibbim>	thanks for the help guys :)
[08:18:20] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Override this function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20081  +comment (10od_mishehu)
[08:40:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Override this function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20081  (10od_mishehu)
[08:47:26] <nickzxcv>	so, i have this wiki setup at http://book.xen.prgmr.com
[08:47:41] <nickzxcv>	and the page http://book.xen.prgmr.com/mediawiki/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions mentions dns
[08:48:13] <nickzxcv>	but searching for dns doesn't give that page
[08:48:36] <nickzxcv>	maybe this is faq 7.4 ?
[08:49:01] <OverlordQ>	by default mysql doesn't search for words shorter then 4 letters
[08:49:16] <werdna>	What MediaWiki version?
[08:49:24] <werdna>	MediaWiki fixes it up
[08:50:06] <OverlordQ>	orly?
[08:50:11] <werdna>	ya rly
[08:50:27] <OverlordQ>	damn you out of date metawiki docs
[08:50:27] <nickzxcv>	1.7.1 i think
[08:50:35] <nickzxcv>	http://book.xen.prgmr.com/mediawiki/index.php/Special:Version
[08:51:55] <nickzxcv>	so how does the indexing work with postgresql?
[08:52:11] <nickzxcv>	i think this is using mysql right now
[08:52:32] <nickzxcv>	is it hard to move from mysql->postgresql ?
[08:53:09] <OverlordQ>	likely more trouble then it's worth unless there's another pressing reason
[08:54:45] <nickzxcv>	not with this setup i think
[08:55:16] <nickzxcv>	but i'm curious how the search is handled when postgresql is used?
[08:55:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add comments field to watchlist items - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4354  +comment (10af)
[08:55:33] <OverlordQ>	it uses postgres's fulltext search afaik
[08:57:08] <nickzxcv>	does it have length issues too?
[09:01:25] <OverlordQ>	doesn't seem to
[09:01:33] <nickzxcv>	cool
[09:10:50] <tyw7>	Is the correct channel for wikipedia software help?
[09:10:58] <Reedy>	mediawiki
[09:11:03] <Reedy>	but yes
[09:11:20] <Reedy>	unless its an actual problem on wikipedia, it might be #wikimedia-tech you want.. All depends
[09:11:48] <tyw7>	I can't check differences I keep on getting Override this function.
[09:11:48] <p858snake_>	werdna: i'm hopeing your putting up good competetion in the shot game
[09:12:05] <tyw7>	What's wrong?
[09:12:12] <p858snake_>	thats on the wikipedia end
[09:12:15] <Reedy>	action=purge
[09:12:55] <tyw7>	what's the full link to purge?
[09:13:31] <tyw7>	& can somebody unban me from #wikipedia-tech?
[09:14:22] *Splarka 	does a nelson muntz laughpoint
[09:14:27] <Splarka>	HA ha
[09:14:33] <p858snake_>	ask one of the operators from the channel
[09:14:36] *Reedy 	purges Splarka
[09:14:42] <OverlordQ>	I figured werdna banned you for a good reason
[09:15:34] <tyw7>	that was b/c of the previous wikipedia offline and I kept on asking the same question
[09:15:37] *Reedy 	wonders if for teh lulz is a good reason
[09:15:41] <tyw7>	OverlordQ: so can you unban me?
[09:16:13] <Splarka>	the full link to purge is to append action=purge as a query string parameter and value, and that depends on the existing link you're on... if the link contains ? it is achieved by appending &action=purge ... if not, then you append ?action=purge
[09:16:17] <p858snake_>	Reedy: its a very good reason
[09:16:22] <Reedy>	awesome
[09:16:54] <Splarka>	/cs access #wikimedia-tech list
[09:17:08] <tyw7>	so can you unban me there?
[09:18:11] <p858snake_>	normally its good consideration to request it from the person that banned you
[09:18:29] <tyw7>	than who's the banner?
[09:19:02] <Reedy>	someone said it was werdna
[09:19:10] <p858snake_>	[[File:Face palm.jpg]]
[09:19:37] <domas>	hehehehe
[09:19:42] <domas>	I was in wikimedia channel operators meeting!
[09:19:55] <tyw7>	is here or she online?
[09:19:57] <Reedy>	contraversial!
[09:20:07] <domas>	there was one guy telling wikimedia-tech was poorly run
[09:20:13] <Reedy>	awesome
[09:20:14] <domas>	needless to say, he got immediate kick
[09:20:15] <domas>	;-)
[09:20:19] <Reedy>	he spoke 30 mins ago
[09:20:32] <Reedy>	"dont talk shit about <s>total</s> wikimedia-tech"
[09:21:08] <tyw7>	sometimes wikipedia behaves funny
[09:21:29] *Reedy 	blames the users
[09:21:40] *p858snake_ 	blames meta templates
[09:21:46] <tyw7>	funny mean on mobile phones
[09:21:58] *Reedy 	blames p858snake_ 
[09:22:04] <tyw7>	and sometimes it take VERY long to load up pages and history of the article
[09:22:04] <OverlordQ>	Hah, just reading through the chan log regarding the -tech ban
[09:22:11] <OverlordQ>	it is a highly entertaining reason
[09:22:27] <p858snake_>	Reedy: just because we were getting drunk in the datacenters.....
[09:22:40] <Reedy>	lol, fast pr0ns
[09:22:56] <tyw7>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20022
[09:24:55] <tyw7>	anybody handeling the bug?
[09:25:10] <Reedy>	itll get dealt with
[09:25:21] <tyw7>	when?
[09:25:23] <Reedy>	there are many more outstanding that will be higher priority
[09:25:25] <Reedy>	later
[09:25:49] *tyw7 	bakes overlordq a cake
[09:25:56] <p858snake_>	bugs are dealt by who ever they want and when ever they want
[09:25:58] <Reedy>	it could be a mw error, or it could actually be a site problem
[09:26:10] <Reedy>	or when brion makes them ;)
[09:26:35] <p858snake_>	you just reassign it to the new guy then
[09:26:42] <Reedy>	guys
[09:26:44] *tyw7 	smashes overloardq with a cake
[09:26:49] <Reedy>	wasnt there 4 or 5 new commiters?
[09:26:57] <tyw7>	can somebody unban me for #wikipedia-tech
[09:27:07] <p858snake_>	you don't need to be a comitter to fix something
[09:28:30] <p858snake_>	Reedy: many, brion cleared out the list execpt for a few people
[09:45:26] <p858snake_>	could we perhaps "accidently" ban tyw7, he never actually has any issues with mediawiki but rather wp and the toolserver and doesn't listen when we redirect him over to those channels
[09:45:52] <CIA-32>	03nikerabbit * r54510 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php: 
[09:45:52] <CIA-32>	* <b>Notice</b>: Undefined variable: val2 in <b>/var/www/sandwiki/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php</b> on line <b>741</b>
[09:45:52] <CIA-32>	* Fixed regression from r54428
[09:46:46] <dcrochet>	in [[MediaWiki:Recordadmin-typeinfo]] what is $1 ? the number of record ?
[09:46:51] <Splarka>	p858snake_: he did listen, and got banned at those other channels
[09:48:44] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[09:48:48] <Splarka>		global $wgRecordAdminCurrentType;
[09:48:48] <Splarka>		$text = '<div class="recordadmin-typeinfo">' . wfMsg( 'recordadmin-typeinfo', $wgRecordAdminCurrentType ) . "</div>\n" . $text;
[09:48:49] <Nikerabbit>	is upload from url broken?
[09:49:36] <Splarka>	and.... $wgRecordAdminCurrentType = $row->tl_title;
[09:49:48] <Splarka>	whatever that means
[09:51:58] <dcrochet>	therefore, prima facie, this is not a number, but text?
[09:52:21] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/
[09:53:00] <Splarka>	someone who knows php/sql/rylethian will have to decipher it
[09:53:55] <dcrochet>	Hum, nobody I18n this message
[09:54:27] <dcrochet>	 /qqq will be a good help for its
[09:56:03] <Nikerabbit>	ROAAWRWAR
[09:56:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide script to run tests on commit and upload results to CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20070  (10Gerard.meijssen)
[09:57:35] *Splarka 	slips some melatonin into Nikerabbit's tea
[10:00:23] <OverlordQ>	Wharrgarbl?
[10:01:23] <CIA-32>	03jan * r54511 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[10:01:23] <CIA-32>	Add interface for adding own statistics with $wgStatsOther:
[10:01:23] <CIA-32>	* Enable/Disable this with $wgAllowStatsOther
[10:01:23] <CIA-32>	* Use $wgStatsOther['<name of statistic>'] = <value (number)> for adding the statistic
[10:04:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add a hook on Special:Statistics for Extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20086  +comment (10jan)
[10:05:51] <svip>	Splarka: Yo.
[10:06:00] <svip>	Splarka: You hear Maurice LaMarche is coming back?
[10:06:12] <svip>	Your favourite Canadian.
[10:06:22] <Splarka>	svip: I simply never doubted it
[10:06:28] *Nikerabbit 	pokes wikibugs
[10:06:36] <Splarka>	it'd be futile to try futurama without him and Billy
[10:06:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Upload by url is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20087 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (niklas.laxstrom)
[10:06:48] <svip>	Splarka: o_o Oh indeed
[10:07:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload by url is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20087  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:07:55] <pkmn>	The clock on wikipedia when I selected London is wrong
[10:08:01] <Nikerabbit>	demon!
[10:08:34] <pkmn>	Nikerabbit: Huh?
[10:08:37] <Splarka>	* tyw7 (i=5adaa5f1@gateway/web/freenode/x-yrtlrnxvxzywlwoj)
[10:08:40] <Splarka>	gee, same IP
[10:09:02] <tyw7>	happy?
[10:09:16] <Nikerabbit>	tyw7: I'm cursing!
[10:09:21] <str4nd>	hi Nikerabbit 
[10:09:26] <svip>	o_o
[10:09:31] <tyw7>	The clock on wikipedia is wrong
[10:09:40] <svip>	Splarka: Why don't we just tell him that Wikipedia is broken and no one can fix it?
[10:09:42] <OverlordQ>	what clock?
[10:09:42] <tyw7>	I selected London and it shows 10:09 A.M.
[10:09:55] <tyw7>	Look under date and time
[10:10:00] <svip>	You can select "London"?
[10:10:06] <tyw7>	I did!
[10:10:11] <tyw7>	And it shows 10:10
[10:10:17] <tyw7>	A.M.
[10:10:24] <Nikerabbit>	is london gmt+1 or gmt+0 now?
[10:10:27] <tyw7>	But the REAL time is 11:10 P.M.
[10:10:31] <svip>	Says 11:10 here.
[10:10:37] <svip>	Nikerabbit: GMT+1
[10:10:40] <svip>	It's BSD.
[10:10:46] <svip>	Or is BDS?
[10:10:47] <svip>	Whatever.
[10:10:50] <OverlordQ>	yea, says 11:10 here too
[10:10:50] <tyw7>	IDK
[10:10:51] <svip>	British Summer Time.
[10:10:53] <svip>	BST
[10:10:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload by url is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20087  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[10:11:07] <svip>	Well, my clock is right.
[10:11:10] <tyw7>	than why it shows 10:10 A.M.?
[10:11:10] <svip>	It says 11:10.
[10:11:14] <svip>	For Europe/London
[10:11:23] <svip>	Because... I dunno, maybe your computer sucks?
[10:11:27] <OverlordQ>	what exactly shows 10:10 am?
[10:11:40] <tyw7>	the clock won't change
[10:11:42] <svip>	OverlordQ: "Local time" when you select Time zone.
[10:11:46] <tyw7>	I DID!
[10:11:57] <tyw7>	How to force update the wiki clock?
[10:12:08] <svip>	You are not confusing the server time with local time?
[10:12:11] <OverlordQ>	So under timezone, you've selected Europe/London
[10:12:17] <OverlordQ>	hit save, and local time says 10:10 am?
[10:12:21] <tyw7>	Yes
[10:12:29] <Nikerabbit>	tyw7: screenshot please
[10:12:41] <tyw7>	how?
[10:12:49] <svip>	Yeah.
[10:12:52] <svip>	I don't believe him.
[10:13:06] <svip>	Pics or it didn't happen.
[10:13:39] <tyw7>	And then what?
[10:13:47] <tyw7>	upload it to wiki?
[10:14:07] <tyw7>	Nikerabbit: 
[10:14:14] <svip>	Upload it to tinypic.com
[10:14:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Invisible revision in "Deleted user contributions" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19864  (10danny.leinad)
[10:15:31] <Nikerabbit>	hi rainman-sr 
[10:15:45] <rainman-sr>	hello
[10:16:22] <tyw7>	http://tinypic.com/r/2nbadeb/3
[10:16:42] <CIA-32>	03alexsh * r54512 10/USERINFO/alexsh: add more info
[10:16:43] <tyw7>	Nikerabbit: http://tinypic.com/r/2nbadeb/3
[10:16:50] <tyw7>	that is the screen shot
[10:17:18] <OverlordQ>	so you lied? it's not where it says local time? you're talking about the time in the top right corder?
[10:17:23] <OverlordQ>	*corner
[10:17:27] <Nikerabbit>	hilarious :D
[10:17:35] <tyw7>	yes
[10:17:43] <OverlordQ>	that time is UTC always, regardless of your preference
[10:17:44] <tyw7>	Nikerabbit: 
[10:18:04] <tyw7>	OverlordQ: I DIDN'T LIED!
[10:18:20] <svip>	OverlordQ: He didn't.
[10:18:23] <OverlordQ>	call it a failure to communicate then :)
[10:18:24] <svip>	He just doesn't understand shit.
[10:18:31] <tyw7>	Nikerabbit: So the clock in the top right coner is UTC time?
[10:18:37] <svip>	Yes.
[10:18:39] <tyw7>	svip: ****F
[10:18:39] <Nikerabbit>	tyw7: please read the description
[10:18:46] <Nikerabbit>	 Add a clock in the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC (which also provides a link to purge the current page).
[10:18:50] <svip>	tyw7: It says "utc" on the right.
[10:18:50] <Nikerabbit>	you see the UTC in that?
[10:19:01] <tyw7>	F***** to you too!
[10:19:11] <Nikerabbit>	UTC means UNIVERSAL STANDARD TIME
[10:19:16] <Nikerabbit>	(for now)
[10:19:29] <tyw7>	Than how to change to local time?
[10:19:32] <tyw7>	*Then
[10:19:36] <svip>	You don't.
[10:19:56] <tyw7>	!op
[10:19:56] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "op". You might try: !bestcase !cms !cookies !copytemplates !documentation !hosting !html !install !moderation !mwhelp !mysql !openid !repeat !semantic !templates !threads !tooquiet !welcome !wptemplates !xampp 
[10:20:03] <tyw7>	!cookies
[10:20:03] --mwbot--	To enable cookies for popular browsers, see http://www.google.com/cookies.html
[10:20:08] <Annemarie>	Stop that.
[10:20:15] <tyw7>	stop what?
[10:20:17] <werdna>	tyw7: don't, please.
[10:20:19] <tyw7>	AND NO SCOLDING!
[10:20:22] <Splarka>	what would be the point? don't you have a clock on your desktop, or the option to activate one?
[10:20:22] <Splarka>	the point of the UTC clock is to compare it to timestamps in signatures and such
[10:20:24] <svip>	o_o
[10:20:39] <Nikerabbit>	oh crap
[10:20:47] <Nikerabbit>	now he went into spam everything mode
[10:21:01] <tyw7>	LOL!
[10:21:09] <OverlordQ>	eh, he pm'ed me earlier about getting unbanned from -tech. I told him to bake me a cake
[10:21:11] <tyw7>	Shit is that a good word?
[10:21:25] <tyw7>	shit
[10:21:26] <tyw7>	shit
[10:21:29] <svip>	...
[10:21:35] <Nikerabbit>	tyw7: please behave
[10:21:37] <Annemarie>	Splarka.
[10:21:39] <svip>	He is just learning his vocabulary.
[10:21:41] <tyw7>	svip: that's what you said
[10:22:03] <svip>	Not unlikely.
[10:22:06] <svip>	Anyway.
[10:22:08] <OverlordQ>	tyw7: just calm down unless you have another question
[10:22:09] <svip>	I am off to lunch.
[10:22:13] <tyw7>	Nikerabbit: svip He just doesn't understand shit.
[10:22:24] <tyw7>	see
[10:22:37] <tyw7>	t
[10:22:39] <Nikerabbit>	tyw7: ECD
[10:22:43] <tyw7>	Huh?
[10:22:49] <Splarka>	shush
[10:23:05] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: there is no +q?
[10:23:13] <Splarka>	no, there is no +q, it is a ban
[10:27:01] <Splarka>	so apparently he wanted svip banned for using a dirty word
[10:27:09] <Splarka>	and now was typing SPAM to me in caps in privmsg
[10:27:25] <roberthl>	He is a serial troll, been banned from a number of Wikimedia channels.
[10:27:28] *Splarka 	goes back to watching a bit of Fry and Laurie
[10:30:06] <OverlordQ>	yay now he's pm'ing me
[10:31:39] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: are you enjoying his pms?
[10:32:23] <OverlordQ>	I'm laughing yess
[10:38:44] <svip>	Splarka: O_O Maybe you ought to ban me for using the most offensive word.
[10:38:52] <svip>	DUN DUN DUNNN
[10:42:00] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=belgium
[10:42:29] *OverlordQ 	gives Splarka an award
[10:43:23] <svip>	o_o That made no sense.
[10:43:30] <svip>	I don't care about Belgium!
[10:45:20] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium_(disambiguation)
[10:46:11] <Simetrical>	Hmm, how do gateway/web/freenode hostmasks work?  Can he change the 5adaa5f1 thing easily?
[10:46:30] <Splarka>	5adaa5f1 is the originating IP in hex
[10:46:43] <Simetrical>	Oh, so it's not like there's any anonymity, then.
[10:46:48] <Splarka>	5a.da.a5.f1 -> 90.218.165.241 -> 5adaa5f1.bb.sky.com
[10:47:05] <Splarka>	oddly enough his ISP also encodes the IP in hex (as does AOL for example) as part of the name
[10:47:26] <OverlordQ>	ah, thought it was the hex encoded long form, no wonder I could never figure it out
[10:47:31] <Simetrical>	Maybe to save bytes on reverse DNS lookups!
[10:47:55] <Splarka>	heh
[10:48:27] <Splarka>	well, before "real name" bans, using a web based proxy/gateway thingy, there was nowhere to put the information classically in a way that allowed granular banning, except as the nick or userID
[10:48:41] <OverlordQ>	huh, it does end up being the same
[10:48:45] <Splarka>	and since clasically that is limited to 8 characters, they hex encoded it
[10:48:55] <Splarka>	though with IPv6 I wonder what they do
[10:50:32] <OverlordQ>	put it in the name instead of ident?
[10:51:13] <Splarka>	could work, I suppose, would limit the nick possibilities though
[10:51:47] <Annemarie>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium_%28disambiguation%29
[10:53:12] <OverlordQ>	eh? hwo would it limit nicks?
[10:53:18] <OverlordQ>	*how
[10:54:15] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: you mean "real name" field? or nickname?
[10:54:19] <OverlordQ>	real name
[10:54:27] <Splarka>	ahh, well freenode is a big special
[10:54:45] <Splarka>	bit
[10:55:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) improve message 'optin-improvements' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20088 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (umherirrender_de.wp)
[10:55:32] <Splarka>	I wonder how /other/ networks ban IPv6 over gateways without real name bans
[11:02:02] <OverlordQ>	well unreal supports it, dont think hybrid does, dunno about bahamut, dunno about ircu
[11:02:55] <OverlordQ>	nm, looks like bahamut does: /* sban on the gcos field */
[11:07:35] <Simetrical>	Splarka, you could always just hash it into Base64 or something and hope there are no collisions.
[11:07:46] <Simetrical>	Why can't they use the host part instead of the name part?
[11:09:01] <Splarka>	well, "classically" I mean, the host is the host making the connection, which the irc server doesn't generally know (or care) is a proxy
[11:09:32] <Splarka>	you can set up a cgi-irc to connect anywhere if you want, the cgi-irc is what enforces the Ip-as-userid field
[11:09:58] <Splarka>	(to avoid a full ban on the service)
[11:11:05] <Splarka>	so while it isn't (or won't be, if/when it comes up) a problem for freenode... given the options they have, to put the IPv6 address in the real name or host field, I wonder what cgi-irc in general will be doing
[11:13:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page shows what appears to be a function error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20089 major; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (jesse)
[11:18:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page shows what appears to be a function error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20089  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[11:18:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Override this function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20081  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[11:18:10] <Splarka>	rar rainman-sr
[11:18:39] <Nikerabbit>	dupes keep coming
[11:19:24] <Splarka>	Nikerabbit: did you see 20081 was reopened because "it is still happening"  heh
[11:19:35] *OverlordQ 	waits for the suggestion of 'why dont you just clear all the caches'
[11:19:53] <Splarka>	>_< "yes, the error was fixed, any remenants are cached and just need to be purged"
[11:19:59] <Reedy>	OverlordQ, why dont you clear the caches?
[11:20:02] <Reedy>	;P
[11:20:11] <OverlordQ>	Reedy: the supply of server kitties are low
[11:20:13] *Splarka 	hands domas a cricket bat
[11:20:21] <CIA-32>	03shinjiman * r54513 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[11:20:43] <p858snake_>	why not just stick it in the site notice
[11:20:51] <Splarka>	rainman-sr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Case_sensitivity_in_search  (in case I forget why I was pinging ya)
[11:20:53] <p858snake_>	say that they just need to refresh a few times
[11:21:00] <Reedy>	"lol, its broken"
[11:21:25] <Splarka>	bit obnoxious for ten thousand visits a second, when a tiny tiny fraction will have a prob
[11:21:38] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: I don't care, I just dupe everything
[11:21:42] <Splarka>	also, it'd have to be a central notice, then have to be translated
[11:21:46] *Splarka 	dupes Nikerabbit
[11:21:53] <domas>	I prefer syncing files one by one! :)
[11:21:55] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: not that kind of dupe
[11:22:40] *Splarka 	marks Nikerabbit as a duplicate of siebrand ?
[11:22:49] <Nikerabbit>	nooo!
[11:23:30] *Splarka 	makes some duplicates of Nikerabbit, 3 or 4 anyway
[11:24:00] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special:Statistics shows -1 active users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20017  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[11:24:35] <Reedy>	-1 mean the wiki is editing itself?
[11:25:26] <Splarka>	the logic for incrementing and decrementing edits isn't always perfect
[11:26:00] <Splarka>	oh, 'active users', huh, I wonder how those are calc'd
[11:28:23] <svip>	Splarka: The description says "users who've made an edit in the last x days".
[11:28:30] <svip>	Dunno what happens if no one edits.
[11:29:06] <Splarka>	right
[11:29:20] <Splarka>	but I wonder if it increments/decrements from the RC table, or does some other voodoo
[11:29:39] <Splarka>	("how" as I said, not "what")
[11:31:00] <OverlordQ>	counts distinct logged in users from recent changes
[11:32:34] <Splarka>	sounds expensive
[11:33:07] <p858snake_>	lets kill it with fire!
[11:33:11] <Nikerabbit>	select distinct count(rc_user_text) from recentchanges;
[11:33:17] <Splarka>	so how does it do it efficiently? periodically?
[11:34:02] <Nikerabbit>	dunno
[11:34:06] <Nikerabbit>	read the source, luke
[11:34:30] <OverlordQ>	 $dbr->selectField( 'recentchanges', 'COUNT( DISTINCT rc_user_text )', array( 'rc_user != 0', 'rc_bot' => 0, "rc_log_type != 'newusers' OR rc_log_type IS NULL" ),
[11:34:30] <Splarka>	I would except it is writ in php/sql
[11:34:58] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: run on every page view of Special:Statistics?
[11:35:04] <OverlordQ>	no
[11:35:25] <Splarka>	so how could it end up -1...
[11:36:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Override this function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20081  +comment (10david.doherty)
[11:37:12] <OverlordQ>	not a clue
[11:40:20] <OverlordQ>	ask ^demon, he recently redid that stuff
[11:43:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) BCP 47 issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20090 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (shinjiman)
[11:43:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007  (10shinjiman)
[11:47:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirects from sr.wikimedia.org needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20061  (10millosh)
[12:17:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[12:25:24] <kevindanko>	hello
[12:26:20] <kevindanko>	Does anyone happen to know where i need to edit to realign the "Save Page, Show Preview" buttons on the edit page?
[12:28:00] <werdna>	EditPage.php or edit.css/js
[12:28:22] <kevindanko>	Thanks
[12:28:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Override this function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20081  +comment (10Platonides)
[12:29:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) chapter: interwiki from sr.wikipedia point to missing sr.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20061  summary (10Platonides)
[12:33:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  +comment (10rainman)
[12:35:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update localization strings. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20091 major; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[12:37:25] <ch>	why would an api call with action=delete, token=..., pageid=321 fail with invalidparammix/The parameters title, pageid can not be used together?
[12:38:09] <Wyk3d>	if i want to store additional information about the user, in my case an external id, and retrieve it / set it from within an extension, is there some mediawiki function/extension which can already do that easily or should i just add my own table ?
[12:47:25] <CIA-32>	03demon * r54514 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/http_session_download.php: Fix regression.
[12:59:51] <kevindanko>	Anyone happen to know where Edit.css is?!
[13:00:01] <kevindanko>	I've been looking for it cannot seem to find it.
[13:03:36] <capone>	ok, so my install of mediawiki stopped displaying pages, but if i go to 'edit' its all there, what do i do now !?
[13:06:14] <svip>	Hm.
[13:06:26] <svip>	Sounds like a PHP error that has been hidden.
[13:06:27] <p858snake_>	well what changed with your installation?
[13:06:59] <p858snake_>	you wouldn't see anything then, he clearly has the interface still
[13:08:06] <capone>	nothing changed, apache/php got updated, other then that thats it
[13:08:44] <capone>	what i see on my mediawiki install is that {{SITENAME}} variable doesnt get resolved to my sitename
[13:08:48] <capone>	is it connected ?
[13:09:27] <p858snake_>	something did get changed, you upgraded php and apache
[13:10:46] <capone>	yeah, well, any idea what ?
[13:10:55] <capone>	do i really have to downgrade now ? :P
[13:11:20] <p858snake|sleep>	i have no idea, just wait for one of the smarter cookies to be around in here
[13:11:55] <cps0>	hi, does anyone know a mediawiki extension that allow text highlighting like that done with yellow marker pen in a document?
[13:16:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Atomic updates for sync scripts (scap etc) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20085  +comment (10domas.mituzas)
[13:16:24] <mgrabovsky>	cps0: You can use a template, as it's on Wikipedia
[13:17:25] <cps0>	do you know an example I could check?
[13:17:40] <mgrabovsky>	cps0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Highlight
[13:17:52] <cps0>	thanks
[13:18:12] <mgrabovsky>	cps0: You're welcome
[13:18:53] <capone>	i put old php back there, and it wont work :/
[13:18:54] <cps0>	sorry for my ignorance, but to use this template should I use {{{My text}}}?
[13:20:08] <mgrabovsky>	cps0: Copy the template to your wiki and then use it like this: {{highlight|My Text}}
[13:20:39] <capone>	i put back old apache aswell, mediawiki still displays empty pages :(
[13:20:45] <capone>	any ideas /!?!?!
[13:20:58] <cps0>	<mgrabovsky>: i had never used it before. thanks
[13:21:11] <mgrabovsky>	cps0: no problem
[13:25:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Upload by url is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20087  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[13:30:28] <CIA-32>	03shinjiman * r54515 10/trunk/extensions/DynamicPageList/ (6 files): 
[13:30:28] <CIA-32>	Update the DPL codebase to 1.8.7.
[13:30:28] <CIA-32>	code based on Gero aka Algorithmix
[13:34:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Timeline error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20092 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: EasyTimeline; (shizhao)
[13:34:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Timeline error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20092  +comment (10shizhao)
[13:40:26] <CIA-32>	03jan * r54516 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/specials/SpecialStatistics.php): (r54511) Replace global array with hook
[13:42:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a hook on Special:Statistics for Extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20086  (10jan)
[13:43:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) target user name is wrapped by <nowiki></nowiki> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20093 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (liangent)
[13:47:13] <CIA-32>	03jan * r54517 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: (fix for r54516) Update RELEASE-NOTES
[13:48:54] <kora>	heya, i installed a fresh media wikiand did the setup. it wrote installation successful. now, whenever i click on an edit field i only get a blank page. i'm logged in as admin. maybe any1 has an idea?
[13:52:36] <CIA-32>	03rotem * r54518 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[13:53:43] <CIA-32>	03jojo * r54519 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.hooks.php Collection.php README.txt): introduced $wgCollectionPortletFormats to control "Download as..." links
[13:55:49] <CIA-32>	03jojo * r54520 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.php: fix
[13:57:29] <CIA-32>	03jojo * r54521 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.hooks.php: always show "Show book" link
[14:19:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please activate $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit in cawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19400  (10rhalsell)
[14:24:30] <kevindanko>	Hey  does anyone happen to know how I can search only a specific namespace without displaying that Im searching that namespace?
[14:24:53] <kevindanko>	Like I want the search form to show results from a specific namespace only  however not show that namespace anywhere.
[14:26:30] <nightblind>	quit
[14:29:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blank lines at the end of global robots.txt cause syntax problems when MediaWiki:robots.txt is appended - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15663  summary; +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[14:41:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Favicon for Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15529  (10shinjiman)
[14:59:01] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Regression should be fixed. plz test :)
[15:02:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  +comment (10catlow)
[15:02:36] <svip>	I swear.
[15:02:47] <svip>	The whole case insensitivity search thing is a mystery to me.
[15:02:49] <svip>	Sometimes it works.
[15:02:52] <svip>	Sometimes it doesnø t.
[15:02:55] <svip>	doesn't*
[15:17:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) please create 'Auteur' namespace at fr.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20094 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (thomasV1)
[15:28:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) please create 'Auteur' namespace at fr.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20094   +shell (10sam)
[15:29:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) LiquidThreads needs to update its ID/Username storage when users are renamed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20095 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[15:42:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) please create 'Auteur' namespace at fr.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20094  +comment (10Platonides)
[15:42:44] <CIA-32>	03shinjiman * r54522 10/trunk/tools/planet/ (13 files in 13 dirs): update favicon for planet
[16:03:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cmnamespace in API categorymembers does not work on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20072  +comment (10b-jorsch)
[16:08:23] <linkdd>	hi
[16:08:50] <linkdd>	i just installed mediawiki on my website, but I can't upload any files
[16:09:05] <linkdd>	it says to me that the file is empty, maybe an error in the filename
[16:09:38] <saper>	access rights to the upload directory? is anything there?
[16:09:39] <Platonides>	linkdd, check the php.ini maximum size options
[16:10:02] <linkdd>	Platonides: I can't access to the php.ini, I'm on a web hosting
[16:10:16] <linkdd>	saper: the folder /images have 777 access rights
[16:10:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) cmnamespace in API categorymembers does not work on Wikimedia wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20072  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:10:38] <saper>	linkdd: put <?php phpinfo(); ?> somewhere on a special page and see what it says
[16:11:03] <CIA-32>	03tparscal * r54523 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/images/wikiEditor/toolbar/magnify-clip.png: add magnify-clip.png for use in help example of image embedding - is already referenced and for some reason is missing.
[16:11:27] <CIA-32>	03werdna * r54524 10/trunk/phase3/includes/StubObject.php: If an object has already been unstubbed (i.e. we have a copy of the StubObject, which has since been unstubbed but the copy not updated), then return the already-unstubbed object instead of unstubbing it again
[16:12:13] <svip>	How often are Wikimedia code reviews?
[16:12:58] <linkdd>	saper: http://wikinux.olympe-network.com/test.php
[16:13:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey=false on Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19315  (10brion)
[16:14:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Grant noratelimit right to the editor group in the Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14716  (10brion)
[16:14:43] <saper>	upload_max_filesize is 2M
[16:15:39] <linkdd>	saper: yes, but the file i want to upload is 1.4M
[16:16:01] <saper>	tried with smaller ones?
[16:16:31] <linkdd>	yes
[16:16:41] <linkdd>	i try to send my .vimrc (5,8K)
[16:16:54] <linkdd>	same error
[16:16:56] <saper>	what about non-dot file name
[16:17:13] <saper>	I don't know whether suhosin likes those
[16:17:26] <linkdd>	it's the same
[16:17:48] <saper>	linkdd: what about rights to /www/tmp/ directory?
[16:18:46] <linkdd>	saper: i don't know, it's not my server
[16:19:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  (10b-jorsch)
[16:23:36] <CIA-32>	03werdna * r54525 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Move ID-Name cache to a static variable, so it can be added to externally.
[16:23:49] <CIA-32>	03brion * r54526 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge r54523 -- missing magnify-clip.png
[16:26:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  (10rainman)
[16:26:20] <CIA-32>	03werdna * r54527 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[16:26:20] <CIA-32>	* Fail fast on trying to find create restrictions for pages that exist.
[16:26:20] <CIA-32>	* Break out loadRestrictionsFromRow into a new function loadRestrictionsFromRows
[16:26:20] <CIA-32>	(which actually accepts an array of rows, unlike the original), and
[16:26:20] <CIA-32>	loadRestrictionsFromResultWrapper, which has the semantics of the old function
[16:26:23] <CIA-32>	(and wraps around loadRestrictionsFromRows).
[16:27:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  (10brion)
[16:27:50] <CIA-32>	03werdna * r54528 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Threads.php: Normalise out common wikitext subject characters which are invalid in titles when trying to generate a thread title.
[16:28:01] *werdna 	commits his performance work from the last two days.
[16:30:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  +comment (10brion)
[16:31:25] <CIA-32>	03werdna * r54529 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/View.php: Only discard information in the Article object if it's not the correct Article_LQT_Compat class. Give a warning that useful information is being discarded.
[16:35:33] <svip>	There should be a mod to irssi that turns the "rNUM" into a link.
[16:35:54] <CIA-32>	03dale * r54530 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (OggHandler.i18n.php OggHandler_body.php): 
[16:35:54] <CIA-32>	adds support for start and end time of the ogg file if ( $wgEnableTemporalOggUrls ) is enabled.
[16:35:54] <CIA-32>	* this results in an oggz_chop temporal url used for the source of the file
[16:35:54] <CIA-32>	* will only work with oggz_chop installed and $wgEnableTemporalOggUrls turned on.
[16:40:05] <CIA-32>	03werdna * r54531 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/classes/Thread.php: (log message trimmed)
[16:40:05] <CIA-32>	LiquidThreads performance (query consolidation) updates.
[16:40:05] <CIA-32>	* Cache article objects by ID in bulkLoad, to prevent a million queries from loading them individually.
[16:40:05] <CIA-32>	* Make sure all created article objects have the LQT compatibility layer, so that the data isn't thrown away to add the compat layer later.
[16:40:07] <CIA-32>	* Fix reply preloading in bulkLoad (previously had no negative caching).
[16:40:09] <CIA-32>	* Link-batch the user and user talk pages in bulkLoad, they will be required to display the threads (signature portion).
[16:40:12] <CIA-32>	* Precache page restriction data in bulkLoad.
[16:40:44] <svip>	Every time I see werdna's nick, I think of "Edna" from Futurama.
[16:42:01] *werdna 	eyes svip 
[16:42:09] <svip>	:)
[16:44:34] <CIA-32>	03werdna * r54532 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/import/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
[16:44:35] <CIA-32>	Some utility scripts for parsing and importing a discussion in Wikitext into LiquidThreads.
[16:44:35] <CIA-32>	Warning: Seriously ugly, written mostly in perl
[17:17:44] <svip>	No one ever cared about my patrol bugreports.
[17:20:17] *DGNeree 	gives svip a cookie
[17:24:19] <svip>	:( Thank you
[17:24:25] *svip 	munches.
[17:27:12] <DGNeree>	yw. and remember: geniuses are always scorned in the beginning :)
[17:28:04] <DGNeree>	i came to ask something, but the problem is solved.
[17:28:31] <DGNeree>	we're working on GreenReapers makefly tips
[17:29:42] <svip>	DGNeree: And "we" are?
[17:30:48] <DGNeree>	the people on http://oncyclopedia.net
[17:31:25] <DGNeree>	we have sudden overloads of server-cpu-use, because of increase of apache requests
[17:31:39] <DGNeree>	shuts the server down
[17:31:56] *svip 	performs a request just to annoy.
[17:32:18] <svip>	Dutch!
[17:32:26] *charitwo 	performs an Annemarie
[17:33:20] <OverlordQ>	optimize, disable extra cruft, add caching, etc
[17:33:22] <DGNeree>	dutch it is
[17:33:30] <Annemarie>	Rawr.
[17:34:06] <DGNeree>	dag Annemarie :)
[17:34:26] <svip>	The name "Annemarie" could be any Northern European language.
[17:34:28] <Annemarie>	I wanna know why the channel topic includes the channel name.
[17:34:34] <Annemarie>	Is that in case you forget?
[17:34:52] <DGNeree>	svip, not with ie at the end
[17:34:55] <svip>	Hell even Central European languages.
[17:35:01] <svip>	DGNeree: Sure?
[17:35:08] <svip>	Annemarie could very well be a Danish name.
[17:35:08] <DGNeree>	almost :)
[17:35:15] <svip>	Just sayin'.
[17:35:25] <Annemarie>	People usually assume it's French.
[17:35:32] <DGNeree>	true
[17:35:51] <DGNeree>	but then it is two words: Anne-Marie
[17:35:59] *Annemarie 	nods.
[17:36:06] <Annemarie>	So maybe a bastardization of French.
[17:36:31] <DGNeree>	they all are ;)
[17:36:53] <CIA-32>	03brion * r54533 10/trunk/extensions/TitleKey/TitleKey.php: 
[17:36:53] <CIA-32>	Delay hook setup to avoid compatibility problems with ordering
[17:36:53] <CIA-32>	when coexisting with MWSearch... we want MWSearch to be able to
[17:36:53] <CIA-32>	take over the PrefixSearchBackend hook without disabling the
[17:36:53] <CIA-32>	SearchGetNearMatch hook point.
[17:38:38] <CIA-32>	03brion * r54534 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/TitleKey/ (. TitleKey.i18n.php TitleKey.php): 
[17:38:38] <CIA-32>	Merge TitleKey updates from trunk through r54533:
[17:38:38] <CIA-32>	* i18n updates to about info
[17:38:38] <CIA-32>	* hook setup ordering fix for compat w/ MWSearch
[17:41:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  (10brion)
[17:54:07] <DGNeree>	hope there aren't any french around, but if so: excusez moi, it was a joke.
[18:03:25] <kevindanko>	hello
[18:06:49] <kevindanko>	how can i hide some text that i want searched with inputbox?
[18:07:02] <kevindanko>	Like if I want to hide the name of the namespace i want the page to be created in
[18:14:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search doesn't work on strategy.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20096 critical; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (eekim)
[18:15:58] <CIA-32>	03brion * r54535 10/branches/wmf-deployment/ (19 files in 12 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[18:15:58] <CIA-32>	Merge trunk fixes to support returnto query params, needed for OptIn smoothness
[18:15:58] <CIA-32>	* r53270 Add returntoquery= parameter to Special:Userlogin which adds a query
[18:15:58] <CIA-32>	string to the "Return to" link. Also using this parameter in the Log in and Log
[18:15:59] <CIA-32>	out links on top of the screen, so that people who click Log in from e.g. an
[18:16:01] <CIA-32>	edit page will be taken back to the edit page rather than to the page view.
[18:16:03] <CIA-32>	* r53293 Couple of issues in r53270: use accessor method and keep the function signature bc
[18:16:23] <svip>	O:
[18:16:28] <svip>	!r 54535
[18:16:28] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/54535
[18:16:30] <svip>	Get me diff
[18:18:26] <svip>	Uhm.
[18:19:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "Return to" item doesn't retain contextual parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13  +comment (10tparscal)
[18:19:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Grant noratelimit right to the editor group in the Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14716  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:22:56] <CIA-32>	03philip * r54536 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Localisation updates for zh-hans and zh-hant. From translatewiki.net.
[18:25:39] <kevindanko>	Hello?
[18:25:43] <kevindanko>	Can anyone help me
[18:25:50] <charitwo>	!ask | kevindanko 
[18:25:50] --mwbot--	kevindanko: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[18:26:13] <kevindanko>	righto
[18:30:03] <svip>	What SVG image converter does Wikipedia and Wiki Commons use?
[18:30:06] <OverlordQ>	rsvg
[18:30:07] <svip>	ImageMagick does not seem to understand sophisticated filters, defs and whatnot in SVG.
[18:30:12] <svip>	Ah.
[18:33:50] <kevindanko>	How can i prefix something to use only a certain namespace?
[18:37:36] <brion>	yeah imagemagick is pretty godawful at svg
[18:37:42] <brion>	it's better than it used to be but still not very good
[18:37:54] <brion>	rsvg is usually pretty good but has some really shitty bugs :)
[18:37:58] <kevindanko>	I would like to edit Inputbox to only create pages in a certain namespace
[18:39:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable AbuseFilter in Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19109  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:42:19] <svip>	brion: Hm.  :( Tell me about it.  Now it won't convert svgs at all.
[18:42:24] <svip>	It says there was an error while saving.
[18:42:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set $wgCategoryPrefixedDefaultSortkey=false on Hungarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19315  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:42:46] <svip>	I should use rsvg-convert rather than just rsvg, right?
[18:44:14] <OverlordQ>	point to rsvg, it'll figure out the rest
[18:44:44] <OverlordQ>	I think *goes to look*
[18:45:08] <OverlordQ>	yea, that's all I did: $wgSVGConverter = 'rsvg';
[18:45:13] <TC-nbigelow>	when i import over .svg from wikimedia, some files give this error when i go to the description page "Error creating thumbnail: Warning: Could not load "/usr/lib/graphviz/libgvplugin_gd.so.5" - file not found" any ideas?
[18:45:25] <Reedy>	!thumbnail
[18:45:25] --mwbot--	For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[18:46:40] <svip>	OverlordQ: Neat.
[18:46:42] <svip>	Works now.
[18:46:56] <TC-nbigelow>	It's weird though because it works for most of the images, but out of like 250 .svg files i imported only like 5 of them give me this error
[18:47:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:47:57] <kevindanko>	Is there a way to call a particular namespace?
[18:48:02] <kevindanko>	like{{pagename}}
[18:48:08] <kevindanko>	or {{namespace}}
[18:48:20] <kevindanko>	if i wanted to call the Talk name space like that is it possible?
[18:50:05] <svip>	OverlordQ: Now, how do I force it to rerender all former scalings of SVG images?
[18:53:09] <OverlordQ>	eh?
[18:53:52] <DGNeree>	I'm off for an early sleep. Bye svip en dag Annemarie, tot een volgende keer :)
[18:54:10] <svip>	OverlordQ: ImageMagick had handled most of the SVG images until now.
[18:54:27] <svip>	So in /images/ are still a bunch of images rendered by ImageMagick - which are terrible.
[18:56:25] <OverlordQ>	dunno short of cleaning out the thumb dir or purging the cache of every image page
[18:56:32] <OverlordQ>	sure there's a better way
[18:56:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  (10brion)
[18:57:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Search doesn't work on strategy.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20096  +comment (10rainman)
[19:23:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set project namespace of Portuguese Wikibooks to "Wikilivros" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19364  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:26:40] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) cannot add comments to techblog.wikimedia.org from certain IP ranges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19540  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:31:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885  (10gondnok345)
[19:40:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs Patrolling Configuration on Arabic Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19332  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:44:46] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Logo change for pih.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20045  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:46:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo change for li.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20066  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:52:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885  (10gtisza)
[19:53:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Hungarian Wikinews Licence Change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19941  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:56:15] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:58:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable e-mail notification for watchlist and minor edits on portuguese Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16410  +comment (10heldergeovane)
[19:58:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change autoconfirmed settings on plwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19993  +comment (10rhalsell)
[19:58:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) TitleKey should drop special characters, like diacritics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20097 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: [other]; (Platonides)
[19:58:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Case insensitivity in the search box does not function for Titles with Mixed Case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19882  (10Platonides)
[20:03:24] <chasep_work>	I have a php script that creates output in wiki format, all you have to do is copy/paste it into the edit page. Problem is, I have about 200 pages I want to CREATE. Copying/pasting for each one of those could take a while, any recomendations on the best way to automate it?
[20:03:58] <ch>	!api
[20:03:58] --mwbot--	The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>. For client libraries in various languages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Client_Code>.
[20:05:44] <Dieterbe>	Hi all, i'm editing a page  and would like to use the 'article summary text' template.  i found it's definition @ http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Template:Article_summary_text, but I don't understand why i cannot put links in it? both html links and wiki formatted links seem to break the entire section and will put a literal '{{1}}' on the page
[20:07:17] <chasep_work>	ch: thanks, thats pretty much what I had decided on, but figrued I'd check there wasn't any other recommendations first
[20:09:09] <CIA-32>	03ialex * r54537 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/jsScriptLoader.php: 
[20:09:09] <CIA-32>	* changed egreg_replace to preg_replace, the former is deprecated since PHP 5.3
[20:09:09] <CIA-32>	* fixed E_NOTICE: undefined variable $subdir
[20:17:27] <CIA-32>	03robh * r54538 10/trunk/tools/planet/ (ar/config.ini de/config.ini en/config.ini gmq/config.ini): Added additional blogs per user requests.
[20:22:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Timeline: Cannot replace main label in Timeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20098 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (dvr)
[20:24:13] <Piki>	when i go to edit a page on my wiki, the edit box is very small, here's a snapshot of it --> http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2807/editingwiki.png
[20:24:57] <Piki>	any ideas what happened when the box was the normal size?
[20:25:14] <GreenReaper>	Tsk. Not switched to CC-BY-SA? ;-)
[20:25:26] <Piki>	?
[20:25:43] <GreenReaper>	There was the option to change the license from the GFDL until August 1
[20:27:39] <GreenReaper>	Hmm. You just updated to a new revision?
[20:28:12] <Piki>	yes, a revision of the 1.15 svn
[20:28:19] <GreenReaper>	At a guess, the Konquerer KHTML CSS hacks that were removed were needed after all.
[20:28:33] <Piki>	that happens in firefox too
[20:28:36] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Timeline: Cannot replace main label in Timeline - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20098  +comment (10dvr)
[20:28:42] <GreenReaper>	It does not happen here in Firefox
[20:29:05] <Piki>	i can get you a snapshot of the same exact thing happening in firefox
[20:29:09] <GreenReaper>	I am on Windows though, and Firefox 3.5
[20:29:22] <Piki>	i'm on linux with firefox 3.5.1
[20:29:46] <Piki>	though it shouldn't make a difference what the OS since the firefox engine is the same on both platforms
[20:29:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit for gdwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19636  +comment (10rhalsell)
[20:29:53] *GreenReaper 	is out of immediate ideas, but others may have some.
[20:30:08] <GreenReaper>	It looks fine here. Try IE in Wine?
[20:30:33] <GreenReaper>	Perhaps you have a javascript gadget turned on that resizes the entry box automatically?
[20:30:45] <GreenReaper>	There might be one in preferences, or in your own Javascript.
[20:31:01] <Piki>	i'm not about to be installing IExploiter on my box, it's a BIG security risk
[20:31:36] <GreenReaper>	Was not an entirely serious suggestion. :-)
[20:35:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885  (10gondnok345)
[20:48:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885  (10gtisza)
[20:49:18] <CIA-32>	03daniel * r54539 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ReverseStringKeyAnalyzer for PatriciaTrie
[20:50:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) TitleKey should drop special characters, like diacritics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20097  +comment (10brion)
[20:52:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Modify text of Wikimedia UK error 404 page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19566  +comment (10brion)
[20:55:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Modify text of Wikimedia UK error 404 page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19566  +comment (10brion)
[20:55:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New 404 error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17316  (10brion)
[20:56:06] <Piki>	anybody have an idea for my small edit box problem?
[20:57:58] <Archibald>	I have an addon that protects pages from anyone that isnt an Editor.  Does anyone know if there is an addon, or any way to make it so registered users can edit one page, namely, their own?
[21:00:25] <Bryan>	I believe Roan wrote something like that in the past
[21:01:01] <Archibald>	Oh?  Any idea where I might be able to snag it?
[21:01:40] <Bryan>	hmm it was jimbojw and looks like not exactly what you want <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself>
[21:01:59] <Bryan>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditOnlyYourOwnPage
[21:02:15] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) SVGs fail to render silently if they contain an <image /> element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3537  +comment (10ariel)
[21:02:28] <Archibald>	That sounds perfect, the edit only your own page
[21:02:58] <Archibald>	I'll just have to manually make accounts I guess :)
[21:06:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVGs fail to render silently if they contain an <image /> element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3537  +comment (10brion)
[21:06:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Validate SVG content - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7645  (10brion)
[21:30:13] <Archibald>	What setting do I change to disable account creation other than manually adding them all in?
[21:32:21] <svip>	O_O Ugh, the name of this file is *so* NPOV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cutest_Koala.jpg
[21:33:08] <Duesentrieb>	there'ss no npov policy for files on commons. although i'm not sure about file names.
[21:33:48] <svip>	Cutest Koala?
[21:33:56] <svip>	:[ Oh man, I cannot defy that claim.
[21:45:51] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) New 404 error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17316  +comment (10tparscal)
[21:47:49] <wknight8111>	I am writing a new special page and would like to have a form that posts data back to the server. How do I handle a POST on the special page?
[21:48:03] <wknight8111>	I couldn't find anything in the manual about it, and no obvious extensions to copy
[21:49:43] <wknight8111>	better question is whether such a thing is possible first
[21:50:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New 404 error page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17316  (10brion)
[21:52:04] <MusashiX90>	Got a hook going for ArticleDeleteComplete, when I try to grab the user, it works fine, but when I grab the article title along with the user, it shows a fatal error, Call to a member function isLoggedIn() on a non-object in Title.php
[21:53:20] <Bryan>	wknight8111: see SpecialEmailuser for example
[21:53:35] <wknight8111>	Bryan: Thanks!
[21:54:59] <MusashiX90>	And here is the code, http://gpaste.com/r/ff485
[21:55:44] <MusashiX90>	Oops, think that $user was &$user, I just removed it to see if it'd change anything
[21:57:21] <MusashiX90>	Aha, fixed it.  It didn't like me recycling the $user variable
[21:57:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CSRF possible with Special:UsabilityInitiativeOptIn - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20099 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (nakonwiki)
[22:08:56] <CIA-32>	03dale * r54540 10/trunk/phase3/includes/upload/UploadFromChunks.php: * added check to chunk uploads to make sure we have not append beyond $wgMaxUploadSize size
[22:09:00] <diddy>	Would it be possible to use mediawiki as a content management system? I want to set up a web page but I don't want to put a lot of work into web design and rather bring content online.
[22:09:15] <Emufarmers>	!cms
[22:09:15] --mwbot--	Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[22:10:22] <cirwin>	diddy: it is possible but likely to be more effort in the long run
[22:11:42] <GreenReaper>	If you want a content management system, use a content management system, like WordPress.
[22:12:40] <cirwin>	use wordpress only if you like security holes
[22:12:45] <diddy>	But I read that a lot of these content management systems have severe security bugs like Joomla which I used a few years ago.
[22:13:06] <Emufarmers>	Gee, it's hard to believe that software that tries to do everything could have security holes.
[22:13:17] <cirwin>	diddy: you `can` use mediawiki as a CMS, I do, but it's a lot of effort to get it right, and no-one will help you
[22:13:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Scrolling issues with Wikipedia Mobile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20100 normal; Normal; Wikipedia Mobile: server; (malrase)
[22:14:00] <diddy>	cirwin, is it online yet so we can have a look?
[22:14:15] <cirwin>	http://talland.net
[22:14:44] <Emufarmers>	There's always Drupal
[22:17:13] <chasep_work>	how can I "override" a pages title? I am doing pages for database table schemas, a table named "foo_bar" is showing in the category listing as "Foo bar" and the heading on the page says "Foo bar" also. I am fine with it adjusting the titles like that for some pages, but I'd like it to keep the all lowercase/underscore notation for these pages
[22:17:34] <Emufarmers>	!displaytitle
[22:17:34] --mwbot--	See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowDisplayTitle>.
[22:19:18] <chasep_work>	thank you. I honestly look for this stuff before asking, but don't do very well at finding it :-)
[22:20:27] <Emufarmers>	What did you look for?
[22:21:02] <chasep_work>	Emufarmers: worked great on the page itself, category pages still shows Foo bar though...   page title; page header; page heading... 
[22:21:51] <Emufarmers>	Not sure you can change the titles that appear on a category
[22:22:43] <chasep_work>	Emufarmers: hmm, okay. not the end of the world... its not like we have a table called "Foo bar" and one called foo_bar thats going to cause confusion, it was more of a preference thing
[22:23:30] <chasep_work>	Emufarmers: there is probably a hook for the category pages though right? I could always control it that way
[22:23:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSRF possible with Special:UsabilityInitiativeOptIn - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20099  +comment (10brion)
[22:24:25] <Emufarmers>	CategoryPageView, I guess?
[22:26:00] <CIA-32>	03dale * r54541 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 6 dirs): * made wgMaxUploadSize check work with js2/firefogg uploading interface.
[22:27:50] <CIA-32>	03tparscal * r54542 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/SpecialOptIn.php: Added token checking to optin and optout procedures to avoid any possible abuse of opting in and out via embedding the url of the optin page in a wiki as an image source. Resolves bug #20099.
[22:27:53] <Emufarmers>	^demon: doesn't r54511 need to be reverted?
[22:28:21] <chasep_work>	okay, heres something I haven't figured out how to find yet, on the page for that hook, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/CategoryPageView  how do I find out the specs on the $categoryArticle variable?
[22:29:33] <^demon>	Emufarmers: That's fine.
[22:30:01] <Emufarmers>	^demon: um, it's fine as it is, or reverting it would be fine? :p
[22:30:19] <Piki-School>	http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2807/editingwiki.png <-- the edit box on my wiki is showing up small, any ideas?
[22:30:33] <Emufarmers>	chasep_work: it says it's a CategoryPage instance, so look up the docs for the CategoryPage class: http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classCategoryPage.html
[22:31:20] <^demon>	Emufarmers: It was reverted by 54516, technically.
[22:32:03] <Emufarmers>	^demon: I don't think so?  The stuff in DefaultSettings.php is still in trunk...
[22:32:59] <brion>	Piki-School: check if you accidentally zeroed out the size in your prefs
[22:33:20] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Blah, he only reverted the Stats part.
[22:34:47] <CIA-32>	03daniel * r54544 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/builder/util/ByteArrayKeyAnalyzer.java: partial fix for ByteArrayKeyAnalyzer. needs more work
[22:35:16] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Done.
[22:35:33] <CIA-32>	03demon * r54545 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php specials/SpecialStatistics.php): Followup r54516, remove globals entirely.
[22:35:47] <Piki-School>	brion: which file?
[22:35:59] <brion>	no file Piki-School 
[22:36:03] <brion>	your user preferences
[22:36:09] <Piki-School>	ah
[22:36:16] <Piki-School>	*checks
[22:36:16] <Piki-School>	*
[22:36:59] <Emufarmers>	brion: do you know what the t in the fopen rt mode is for?  It seems to be undocumented
[22:37:31] <werdna>	Emufarmers: you're probably seeing a +, not a t
[22:37:42] <Emufarmers>	werdna: no, I thought about that, but it's definitely a t
[22:37:46] <werdna>	ah
[22:37:46] <^demon>	Emufarmers: "Windows offers a text-mode translation flag ('t') which will transparently translate \n to \r\n when working with the file. "
[22:37:47] <werdna>	Windows offers a text-mode translation flag ('t') which will transparently translate \n to \r\n when working with the file. In contrast, you can also use 'b' to force binary mode, which will not translate your data. To use these flags, specify either 'b' or 't' as the last character of the mode  parameter. 
[22:38:13] <brion>	Emufarmers: text?
[22:39:02] <Emufarmers>	Oh, they hide it in a note box :\
[22:39:40] *brion 	slaps Emufarmers around with Borland C for DOS circa 1989
[22:39:47] <Emufarmers>	o;
[22:39:49] <brion>	turbo c++ man
[22:39:50] <^demon>	brion: I was 1.
[22:39:51] <brion>	those were the days
[22:39:55] <Emufarmers>	I was -1
[22:39:58] <brion>	(turbo c++ SUCKED. turbo pascal RULED)
[22:40:02] <Simetrical>	I was 1.
[22:40:04] <brion>	and you guys are too young. i hate you all
[22:40:11] *Emufarmers 	gets off brion's lawn
[22:40:18] *brion 	shakes his cane retroactively
[22:40:27] *werdna 	was -2
[22:40:38] <Piki-School>	brion: my settings seem fine to me
[22:41:01] <atglenn>	you had C for dos? you were lucky
[22:41:02] <Simetrical>	brion, so, will we be getting a scap anytime in the foreseeable future?
[22:41:13] <atglenn>	waaaay back in my day ... 
[22:41:19] *atglenn 	gets out their cane and their geritol
[22:41:40] *tomaszf 	wonders who will tell us of the pdp-11 days
[22:41:45] <atglenn>	me
[22:41:47] <atglenn>	:-P
[22:41:55] <atglenn>	pdp 11-45
[22:41:58] <atglenn>	running rsts
[22:42:02] <brion>	Simetrical: if you mean updating deployment to current trunk? i've got that planned for tuesday :)
[22:42:09] <Simetrical>	Hurrah.
[22:42:09] <brion>	otherwise have been pulling bits and pieces :)
[22:42:09] <^demon>	\o/
[22:42:18] <Simetrical>	I used DOS!
[22:42:20] <Simetrical>	And OS/2.
[22:42:26] <^demon>	We haven't see brion-codereview in a long time :P
[22:42:26] <Simetrical>	And Windows 3.1.
[22:42:31] <brion>	aww
[22:42:32] <Simetrical>	We triple-booted.
[22:42:40] <Emufarmers>	I used DOS too.  I don't know what that says about my family
[22:42:45] <Simetrical>	There was this one game I always played in OS/2.
[22:42:49] <Simetrical>	Some kind of puzzle/adventure game.
[22:42:53] <brion>	Emufarmers: it means you really should have upgraded more often
[22:42:56] <Simetrical>	I vaguely remember a couple of the puzzles.
[22:43:13] <^demon>	My first online experience was my neighbor logging on to AOL 1.0
[22:43:14] <Simetrical>	I remember using Norton Commander.
[22:43:22] <Emufarmers>	brion: well, my father's an early adopter, but he's also cheap, so...
[22:43:24] <Simetrical>	I used AOL too!  That's where I got this nick.
[22:43:33] <brion>	haha
[22:43:36] <Simetrical>	I couldn't spell so well at the age of ~8, you see.
[22:43:43] <^demon>	My first nick was MrChuckles991
[22:43:46] <Simetrical>	But I thought symmetry was cool.
[22:43:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update localization strings. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20091   +shell; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:44:02] <^demon>	wikibugs: Stop lagging
[22:44:15] <Emufarmers>	Simetrical: that's the best nick story I've heard in a long time
[22:44:30] <Simetrical>	Well, if I had spelled it correctly I probably wouldn't have gotten it.
[22:44:35] <Simetrical>	It would probably have already been taken.
[22:44:51] <Simetrical>	I had to be creative to think up something that didn't have a number on the end.
[22:45:04] <TheOracle23>	D:
[22:45:37] <werdna>	I used to use 'andy115'
[22:45:38] <TheOracle23>	You people and your clever nicks D:
[22:45:46] <werdna>	but then I realised that nobody actually called my andy
[22:45:47] <werdna>	me*
[22:45:54] <werdna>	werdnum is a stupid latin joke
[22:46:18] <Simetrical>	werdnum, werdna, werdna, werdnorum
[22:46:32] <TheOracle23>	You said werdna twice.
[22:46:32] <Simetrical>	Hmm, no?
[22:46:54] <Simetrical>	Maybe it's werdnum, werdna, werdni, werdnum.
[22:47:00] <Simetrical>	I don't know my declensions.
[22:47:04] <werdna>	yeah, something like that
[22:47:06] <werdna>	I don't know
[22:47:27] <Simetrical>	werdno, werdnibus, werdnum, werdna, werdno, werdnibus, werdnum, werdna?
[22:47:34] <Simetrical>	I'm not even going to try the locative.
[22:47:49] <Simetrical>	I'm still missing one, though.
[22:47:55] <Emufarmers>	Vocative?
[22:48:05] <Simetrical>	Ah, no, I got that.
[22:48:08] <Simetrical>	That's the last, same as nominative.
[22:48:09] <Simetrical>	I think.
[22:48:13] <Simetrical>	At least in most declensions.
[22:48:14] *^demon 	forgot he joined #latin
[22:48:18] *Simetrical 	has never taken a Latin course in his life
[22:48:26] <Nikerabbit>	hi Simetrical
[22:48:35] <TheOracle23>	Me neither
[22:49:45] <Emufarmers>	It'd be werdnum, werdni, werdno, werdnum, werdno | werdna, werdnorum, werdnis, werdna, werdnis
[22:49:57] <werdna>	dude you guys need to go outside :P
[22:50:00] <Emufarmers>	no u
[22:50:15] <Simetrical>	Really?
[22:50:17] <Simetrical>	That looks wrong.
[22:50:21] <Simetrical>	It's first declension, right?
[22:50:31] <Emufarmers>	No, I was assuming it's second neuter
[22:50:38] <Simetrical>	Right, I meant that.
[22:50:41] <Emufarmers>	because werdnum would never appear in a first declension noun
[22:50:43] <Simetrical>	First would be werdna, werdnae, . . .
[22:50:48] <Emufarmers>	that's first declension
[22:50:51] <Emufarmers>	right
[22:51:13] <Emufarmers>	werdna: this is probably the only useful thing I'll be able to do as a classics major for a long time, so I've got to make it last.
[22:52:19] <Emufarmers>	Neuter declensions are a little goofy: the nominatives and the accusatives are always the same.  No exceptions.  And the plural nominative/accusatives end with -a, which, as you can see, can make them confusing with first declension nouns.
[22:53:14] <Piki-School>	any other suggestions on the tiny edit box?
[22:53:40] <siebrand>	PHP Notice:  unserialize() [<a href='function.unserialize'>function.unserialize</a>]: Error at offset 0 of 1 bytes in /var/www/w/includes/media/GIF.php on line 27
[22:53:43] <Emufarmers>	Piki-School: when you go to Special:Preferences ->  Editing, what are the sizes listed?
[22:55:19] <Piki-School>	4 rows 4 columns, i missed the dimensions part of my preferences
[22:55:27] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: don't bother, it's reported in code review
[22:55:36] <^demon>	siebrand: Have you see bug 20090 yet? It's a tracker for something we don't have any bugs filed for. It's an i18n issue, so I thought you could input :)
[22:55:38] <siebrand>	ok,.
[22:55:52] <werdna>	siebrand: that's me, just committed a fix
[22:55:56] <Piki-School>	what are the defaults for the dimensions?
[22:55:58] <CIA-32>	03werdna * r54546 10/trunk/phase3/includes/media/GIF.php: Error-handling for GIF getLongDesc
[22:56:07] <Emufarmers>	80 and 25, I think
[22:56:52] <Piki-School>	Emufarmers: thanks
[22:57:26] <Emufarmers>	brion: I think we probably got Windows 95 in '96 or '97, and then DSL a year later, as soon as they started offering it.  My dad is so cheap, but he indulges on certain tech things. /o
[22:57:44] <^demon>	It took forever for me to convince my parents to go broadband.
[22:58:06] <Emufarmers>	Oh, I think we got it because my mom wanted the phone free
[22:58:16] <Emufarmers>	er, to be free from interference by the computers, that is
[22:58:39] <Emufarmers>	##reminiscing
[22:59:35] <Emufarmers>	On an unrelated matter, could someone explain what if( $mode{0} == 'r' ) means?  PHP's curly bracket syntax confuses me. :(
[23:01:08] <CIA-32>	03siebrand * r54547 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/OptIn.i18n.php: Remove trailing spaces in messages
[23:01:58] *Emufarmers 	pokes ^demon
[23:02:07] <^demon>	Emufarmers: {} is how we used to do string indexes. It's wrong in PHP 5.3 and should be changed to square brackets.
[23:02:16] <Emufarmers>	Oh, okay
[23:02:34] <^demon>	I've been meaning to grep trunk for it.
[23:03:40] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, that doesn't explain why this isn't working, then
[23:03:48] <^demon>	Context?
[23:04:03] <Piki-School>	i know this probaly isn't the place to ask about extensions, but anybody familiar with OpenID? i somehow managed to remove the OpenID link from my wiki when fixing my image upload problem, though i don't know how i removed it
[23:04:58] <Emufarmers>	I'm adding 7zip support for importDump.php (which turns out to be a pain, because we're using our own stream wrapper for 7zip).
[23:05:53] <Emufarmers>	http://dpaste.org/1031/
[23:06:51] <Emufarmers>	Piki-School: you probably need to download the extension again/add the lines in LocalSettings.php
[23:07:01] <^demon>	Hmm.
[23:07:42] <Emufarmers>	If I change $file = fopen( $filename, 'rt' ); to $file = fopen( $filename, 'r' ); it works :\
[23:08:01] <CIA-32>	03siebrand * r54548 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: 
[23:08:01] <CIA-32>	* update recently added messages
[23:08:01] <CIA-32>	* remove trailing whitespace
[23:09:01] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: http://dpaste.org/Idd0/ ?
[23:11:28] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Wait....7zip isn't text. Why would you use t?
[23:12:26] <Piki-School>	Emufarmers: i forgot to add the line to my file
[23:12:34] <^demon>	I'm trying to think of a faster way to syntax check PHP files. I don't want to shell out to php -l for each file.
[23:12:41] <Emufarmers>	Er, it's the same thing as for gz.  Should I be handling them differently?
[23:12:49] <Emufarmers>	Handling 7z differently, that is
[23:13:04] <Emufarmers>	importFromFile() in importDump.php
[23:13:48] <Emufarmers>	I added http://dpaste.org/7tZK/ to it (also moved the 7zip wrapper class to its own file and included it)
[23:14:03] <^demon>	Hmm I dunno.
[23:14:48] <^demon>	Back shortly.
[23:17:09] <diddy>	cirwin, where is the wikimedia software on your site? http://talland.net
[23:17:38] <Emufarmers>	If you have to ask, he did a good job :)
[23:17:50] <Emufarmers>	http://talland.net/h/Special:Version
[23:18:49] <David0811>	hello
[23:18:52] <wknight8111>	hello
[23:18:57] <Nxon>	hi :)
[23:19:10] <siebrand>	werdna: still getting it.
[23:19:22] <David0811>	do you know who developed beta version?
[23:19:25] <siebrand>	werdna: running r54548
[23:19:39] <siebrand>	werdna: (no idea how to reproduce though)
[23:19:52] <wknight8111>	I'm trying to tap into the ParserAfterStrip hook, but my handler is getting called multiple times on page load. Any way to stop that?
[23:20:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update localization strings. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20091  +comment (10OsamaK.WFM)
[23:20:57] <wknight8111>	or, if ParserAfterStrip is not the right hook, I need to find a better ne to use to insert wikitext into the page
[23:21:42] *Nxon 	saluda a David0811
[23:21:49] <David0811>	hello wknight8111 
[23:21:54] <David0811>	hola Nxon 
[23:22:01] <Nxon>	de nuevo
[23:22:02] <wknight8111>	hello again
[23:23:26] <David0811>	somebod knows who developed beta version?
[23:24:11] <Emufarmers>	David0811: of MediaWiki?
[23:24:26] <diddy>	Emufarmers, I didn't know you could also change the design of the wiki.
[23:24:51] <David0811>	of wikipedia 
[23:24:51] <Piki-School>	alright, i'm off, thanks again for the help guys
[23:24:56] <diddy>	I would never have guess cirwin uses wikimedia software.
[23:24:56] <Emufarmers>	diddy: there are several skins built in, and people have made more (though a lot of them aren't very good):
[23:24:58] <Emufarmers>	!skins
[23:24:58] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[23:25:48] <Emufarmers>	David0811: you mean the usability thing? http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[23:26:02] <David0811>	oh yes, sorry :)
[23:26:19] <David0811>	#wikimedia-usability
[23:27:06] *^demon 	stabs PHP
[23:28:45] *atglenn 	cheers ^demon
[23:28:58] <synta10>	hello everyone; how can i redirect anonymous users directly to the Special:Userlogin without showing error page (login required)?
[23:30:30] <Emufarmers>	synta10: for what action?
[23:30:41] <synta10>	for viewing
[23:31:19] <synta10>	I want to restrict everything except for authorised users
[23:34:17] <synta10>	Emufarmers: do you think it is possible through MW settings or i should edit Main page to do the job?
[23:35:30] <CIA-32>	03dale * r54549 10/trunk/extensions/WikiAtHome/ (ApiWikiAtHome.php NonFreeVideoHandler.php WikiAtHome.php): 
[23:35:30] <CIA-32>	* derivative updates
[23:35:30] <CIA-32>	* minor refactoring to work better with oggHandler
[23:38:19] <CIA-32>	03dale * r54550 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (.project OggHandler_body.php): 
[23:38:19] <CIA-32>	* derivative updates
[23:38:19] <CIA-32>	* minor refactoring to work better with wikiAtHome derivative job queue engine
[23:38:19] <CIA-32>	( more work remains )
[23:41:42] <CIA-32>	03siebrand * r54551 10/trunk/extensions/WikiAtHome/WikiAtHome.i18n.php: Update formatting
[23:42:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Include permalink in printable version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16428  (10rene.kijewski)
[23:43:09] <siebrand>	mdale: .project should probably not be in r54550
[23:43:16] <mdale>	opps ;)
[23:43:57] <CIA-32>	03dale * r54552 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/mvFirefogg.js: updated firefogg to the "webstream" settings constancy with wikiAtHome
[23:44:04] <JeroenDeDauw>	woot @ usability stuffz!
[23:48:01] <synta10>	well, nevermind. good night (to Europe ;-) )
[23:54:16] <CIA-32>	03siebrand * r54553 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.i18n.php CollectionCore.i18n.php): Update formatting
[23:56:47] <CIA-32>	03dale * r54554 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/mvAdvFirefogg.js: integration of default transcode settings presets to stand alone firefogg encoder app
[23:57:04] <Emufarmers>	brion, can you help me with http://dpaste.org/Eq5Q/ ?
[23:57:50] <CIA-32>	03siebrand * r54555 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: Add link description for page links 'coll-book_mode_help' and 'coll-intro_text'
[23:59:10] <brion>	heh
[23:59:21] <brion>	Emufarmers: where's the fopen bit exactly?
[23:59:44] <brion>	just dropping the 't' is probably fine anyway, as xml will worry about the line ending issues for us :)