[00:04:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add findhooks.php check for undocumented hooks to commit-time testing for CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20345 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (brion)
[00:45:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User edit counts (user.user_editcount field) is often wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19311  +comment (10apper)
[00:46:27] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) dberrortext always says MySQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19590  +comment (10brion)
[00:46:28] <CIA-70>	03mrzman * r55461 10/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in w/includes/UserMailer.php on line 480
[01:24:20] <CIA-70>	03brion * r55462 10/trunk/phase3/ (11 files in 4 dirs): 
[01:24:20] <CIA-70>	Pet peeve time: reduce clutter from common $wgContLang->isRTL() ? 'x' : 'y' pattern. :)
[01:24:20] <CIA-70>	Introduced helpers:
[01:24:20] <CIA-70>	$lang->getDir() returns 'ltr' or 'rtl' for HTML 'dir' attrib
[01:24:20] <CIA-70>	$lang->alignStart() returns 'left' or 'right' for HTML 'align' attrib or CSS 'text-align' property
[01:24:23] <CIA-70>	$lang->alignEnd() returns 'right' or 'left'
[01:24:25] <CIA-70>	And cleaned up a couple arrays of icons to just reverse the order of items rather than repeating the items twice for each possibility.
[01:37:00] <chuck>	Emufarmers: how big is fan history's slice? 2GB memory?
[01:37:53] *GreenReaper 	slaps twiceler for requesting bad URLs
[01:38:19] <GreenReaper>	If any of you want to save some CPU, you could do worse by starting with that user-agent.
[01:46:03] <Splarka>	Green: starting with = filtering?
[01:46:32] <GreenReaper>	Yeah, or robots.txt which I *think* it now follows.
[01:46:40] <GreenReaper>	They can't handle //whatever.com
[01:47:34] <GreenReaper>	Or rather: They *still* can't handle it. Told them months ago. Oh well. Maybe they'll take notice when MediaWiki starts doing it generally. :-)
[01:50:21] <Splarka>	evil
[01:55:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bad link causing the whole page failed to parse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20346 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (xu.jimmy.wrk)
[01:56:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bad link causing the whole page failed to parse - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20346  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[02:22:49] <Emufarmers>	chuck: arr
[02:24:40] *Emufarmers 	snuggles ^demon in absentia for r55459.
[02:25:26] <JT|work>	how can I fix my wiki so it shows the correct page modified time at the bottom?
[02:25:33] <JT|work>	searching for "This page was last modified" is pretty tough
[02:25:40] <JT|work>	I added $wgLocaltimezone = "America/Los_Angeles"; in my LocalSettings.php
[02:30:33] *Emufarmers 	also snuggles ^demon and siebrand for their deletion/de-catting spree. ^__^
[03:34:10] <CIA-70>	03philip * r55463 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/i18n/ (Lqt.alias.php Lqt.i18n.php): Localisation updates for zh-hans of LiquidThreads extension.
[03:58:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Flood flag for Stragetic Planning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20347 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (gopher65)
[04:01:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flood flag for Stragetic Planning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20347  (10gopher65)
[04:01:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flood flag for Stragetic Planning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20347  15enhancement->normal (10pbeaudette)
[04:17:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fonts in books - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20348 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Collection; (vinhtantran)
[04:48:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) strategywiki, usabilitywiki domains not in auto-login list for SUL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20251  (10liangent)
[05:24:35] <CIA-70>	03dale * r55464 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php: re-added $partname for warning checks 53361#c3664
[05:42:00] <Juandev>	hi
[05:50:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) wikieditor.css .ui-widget !important conflicts? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20349 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (dale)
[05:57:14] <CIA-70>	03dale * r55465 10/trunk/phase3/js2/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[05:57:14] <CIA-70>	* Fixed some AMW regressions.
[05:57:14] <CIA-70>	* Fixed upload destination check
[05:57:14] <CIA-70>	* Localized more of AMW
[06:36:34] <CIA-70>	03dale * r55466 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiUpload.php: hard coded requested imageinfo prop in api upload result (to avoid static call to non-static: ApiQueryImageInfo::getAllowedParams();
[06:48:45] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55467 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Follow-up r55459: Add new message keys to maintenance script
[06:50:00] <CIA-70>	03dale * r55468 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * Fixed some AMW issues
[07:04:05] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55469 10/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php: Follow-up r55459: Fix for PHP Notice: Undefined variable: deleted in /var/www/w/includes/UserMailer.php on line 379
[07:55:59] <CIA-70>	03rotem * r55470 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[09:45:03] <Xenum>	Greetings. ow can I allow all users ( guests and members ) to see a specific article in the mediawiki using LocalSettings.php please ?
[09:45:10] <Xenum>	*How
[09:45:21] *chalcedony 	waves to Xenum :)
[09:45:29] <Xenum>	lol. Hugs dear :)
[09:46:06] <MaxSem>	!access | Xenum
[09:46:06] --mwbot--	Xenum: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[09:46:40] <Splarka>	to "see"?  if your wiki is read restrictred you can use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgWhitelistRead
[09:47:23] <Xenum>	that sounds more resonable. Ty Splarka
[09:47:33] <Xenum>	yes, the entire wiki is restricted
[09:48:06] <CIA-70>	03shinjiman * r55471 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[09:48:59] <cysioland>	how to add new button to edit toolbar?
[09:49:24] <cysioland>	???
[09:49:31] <cysioland>	in version 1.14.0
[09:49:46] <MaxSem>	!editbuttons
[09:49:46] --mwbot--	See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_add_more_buttons_on_the_edit_page.3F>, also have a look at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert>
[09:53:33] <cysioland>	thanks
[09:53:44] <Marco27>	MaxSem: Also with beta toolbar? (curiosity ;) )
[09:54:04] <MaxSem>	dunno, probably not
[09:54:40] <Marco27>	ok, as I thought
[09:54:44] <Marco27>	thanks
[09:55:46] <cysioland>	where is template for toolbar buttons(background?
[09:55:50] <cysioland>	??????
[09:57:04] <cysioland>	where is bakground for toolbar buttons?
[09:57:30] <Splarka>	probably a copy somewhere on commons
[09:57:45] *Splarka 	looks
[09:58:03] <p858snake>	thers a copy in one of the template folders isn't there?
[09:58:21] <Splarka>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Button_base.png
[09:58:35] <p858snake>	mw\skins\common\images\buttom_template.png
[09:58:41] <Splarka>	om?
[09:58:45] <p858snake>	*button_template.png
[09:59:13] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/button_template.png
[09:59:16] <Splarka>	huh, so there is
[09:59:23] <cysioland>	i have it
[09:59:31] <cysioland>	!thankyou splarka
[09:59:31] --mwbot--	You're welcome. :)
[09:59:42] <cysioland>	!thankyou
[09:59:42] --mwbot--	You're welcome. :)
[10:00:02] <Splarka>	heh, dumb bot
[10:00:09] *Splarka 	sprays mwbot in the face with WD40
[10:00:18] <CIA-70>	03shinjiman * r55472 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages
[10:10:03] <orogor>	hi here
[10:10:34] <orogor>	anyone have a suggestion on if i would want to converty a bunch of wortd documents to a wiki?
[10:10:59] <orogor>	with something like suggest an article then review then publish it
[10:15:55] <cysioland>	how to add multiple custom toolbar buttons
[10:15:59] <cysioland>	???
[10:17:08] <cysioland>	!toolbarbuttons
[10:17:08] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "toolbarbuttons".
[10:17:14] <cysioland>	!toolbar
[10:17:14] --mwbot--	See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_add_more_buttons_on_the_edit_page.3F>, also have a look at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert>
[10:18:42] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Custom_edit_buttons
[10:20:36] <Splarka>	so for example: http://p.defau.lt/?PTCcssx6RzXEX0_JT8weXg
[10:20:48] <Splarka>	in your MediaWiki:Common.js
[10:21:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) It's impossible to include <ref></ref> between two elements <ref> and </ref>. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20350 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (picsou-val31)
[10:22:43] <cysioland>	!thankyou Splarka
[10:22:43] --mwbot--	You're welcome. :)
[10:22:49] <cysioland>	!thankyou JS knowledge
[10:22:49] --mwbot--	You're welcome. :)
[10:23:05] <p858snake>	there is no need to use the bot for everything (eg: thanking people)
[10:27:09] <publunch>	!help
[10:27:09] --mwbot--		Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/botbrain.html >
[10:30:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Import - Bad interwiki link makes importing impossible from en.wikibooks. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20351 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (dferg-wiki)
[10:30:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable transwiki import and upload import to es.wikibooks. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18612  (10dferg-wiki)
[10:43:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) It's impossible to include <ref></ref> between two elements <ref> and </ref>. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20350  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[10:45:26] <CIA-70>	03shinjiman * r55473 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages
[11:01:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User interface HTML elements don't use lang attribute - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2865  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[11:36:28] <CIA-70>	03philip * r55474 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Update the Chinese conversion tables.
[11:53:56] <e-anima>	hi
[11:54:48] <e-anima>	i try to make a MAIN categroy flash and when i klick on Flash i want to show up a list ob the subcategories in the page. any ideas how. i tried CategoryTree but its not working cause of an error
[11:55:07] <e-anima>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Manual
[11:55:12] <e-anima>	something like this i want
[11:55:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Erroneous Special:WhatLinksHere result wrt a page using the #ask inline query - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20352 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (najevi)
[11:57:43] <e-anima>	any suggestions
[12:01:09] <e-anima>	there is nothing documented
[12:01:28] <svip>	http://theinfosphere.org/index.php?title=6ACV12&action=history << Why does that segfault?
[12:03:57] <str4nd>	See your error_log
[12:04:30] <svip>	str4nd: Where it says it segfaults.
[12:05:40] <str4nd>	I don't know. That server doesn't send any headers
[12:06:07] <svip>	Which would make sense, since the child process it created to handle the request (PHP) segfaulted.
[12:07:07] <Lycurgus>	is there a way to find out what version of the ImageMagick convert utility or ImageMagick in general is in use in the English wiki?
[12:08:40] <str4nd>	Are you trying to exploit that or just curious?
[12:09:42] <Lycurgus>	neither, and nevermind I've decided it's a silly/inappropriate query.
[12:10:28] <e-anima>	no ideas?
[12:10:37] <e-anima>	how to get a proper automated index?
[12:10:46] <e-anima>	of subkategories in a category
[12:10:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  (10barras-ps)
[12:11:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make a book/collection doesn't work on hr wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20056  +comment (10usuario.trece)
[12:12:58] <Lycurgus>	e-anima, fix the problem that is causing normal subcategorization to fail since it doesn't in the public wiki.
[12:13:00] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55475 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (14 files in 7 dirs): 
[12:13:00] <CIA-70>	* added missing message "mwe-no_text_tracks_found"
[12:13:00] <CIA-70>	* harmonise message prefix
[12:13:00] <CIA-70>	* fix typos in message keys
[12:13:00] <CIA-70>	* fix typos in messages
[12:13:01] <CIA-70>	* remove trailing whitespace
[12:13:03] <CIA-70>	Should be almost done now. Next step is to get a proper mwEmbed.i18n.php, verify and fix that, and give it to the translators.
[12:13:19] <e-anima>	Lycurgus i activated error 
[12:13:33] <Lycurgus>	well deactivate it
[12:13:37] <e-anima>	did that
[12:13:51] <e-anima>	and now i can not use it ^^
[12:13:52] <CIA-70>	03nikerabbit * r55476 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/ (TranslationEditPage.php TranslationHelpers.php): Fix double escapings, styles still broken for ajax edit
[12:14:00] <e-anima>	so im saerchin for another way
[12:14:04] <Lycurgus>	you're not a native speaker of English are you e-anima?
[12:14:12] <e-anima>	im not.
[12:14:40] <Lycurgus>	bbaib
[12:14:45] <Lycurgus>	*bbiab
[12:14:55] <e-anima>	what means that?
[12:15:04] <svip>	be back in a bit I think.
[12:15:07] <Lycurgus>	y
[12:15:09] <e-anima>	ok
[12:21:48] <CIA-70>	03nikerabbit * r55477 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/MessageTable.php: And style path fixed too
[12:22:42] <e-anima>	puh...i am searching for a documentation of the tags...like add category
[12:33:28] <e-anima>	is wikimedia able to make subcategories. search was not successful
[12:37:06] <p858snake>	yes, on the subcategory, edit its description and add the main category
[12:37:42] <p858snake>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Australia shows examples of subcategories
[12:38:05] <e-anima>	so i do /subcatname and creat and gibe it the category main category
[12:38:22] <e-anima>	jea thats cool
[12:38:29] <e-anima>	i want it like this. ill try
[12:39:19] <e-anima>	ok no
[12:39:31] <e-anima>	dumb question, but how do i create a subcategory
[12:40:15] <flyingparchment>	edit the category page, like [[Category:My sub cat]], and add a category tag
[12:40:58] <e-anima>	hm ok but if you habe main categories like php, mysq, c  and each should have a subcat scripts
[12:41:13] <e-anima>	i created my categorie by typing /categoryname
[12:41:16] <e-anima>	in the url
[12:41:22] <flyingparchment>	no you don't
[12:41:27] <flyingparchment>	that's not a category, it's a subpage
[12:41:30] <e-anima>	ok then i do something wrong
[12:41:46] <flyingparchment>	a category is when you edit a page and write [[Category:Whatever]] at the bottom of it
[12:41:51] <flyingparchment>	then that page appears in the Whatever category
[12:42:20] <e-anima>	and where is the "create page" link/button
[12:42:40] <flyingparchment>	same as it always was.. category pages are no different
[12:42:59] <e-anima>	hmm
[12:45:48] <e-anima>	via search...
[12:46:04] <e-anima>	i hate that. i created via url /name
[12:46:15] <e-anima>	the he says, does not exist...and i can edit it
[12:46:31] <e-anima>	but there is no "post new article" button
[12:48:15] <e-anima>	the docs are very bad
[12:51:12] <e-anima>	forget it it
[12:51:41] <e-anima>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=create+category&go=Go
[12:51:47] <e-anima>	good results....
[12:51:55] <e-anima>	useless
[12:53:28] <e-anima>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page
[12:53:37] <e-anima>	ITS SAYS: You can use the wiki's URL for creating a new page
[12:53:52] <e-anima>	[14:37] <flyingparchment> no you don't
[12:53:59] <e-anima>	what now ^^
[12:54:25] <flyingparchment>	i didn't say you don't use urls for creating a page, i said you don't create a category by putting a / in the page name
[12:55:25] <e-anima>	ok if ich do /Category and add the category to another it is its subcategory, right?
[12:56:00] <e-anima>	then its only possible to have the subcategories name once. but every coding language has scripty category
[12:56:46] <e-anima>	anyone understands what i mean?
[13:00:03] <e-anima>	you do not even know?
[13:08:16] <e-anima>	poor community
[13:08:17] <e-anima>	bye
[13:12:58] <svip>	Poor us.
[13:13:58] <svip>	flyingparchment: What was he talking about?
[13:36:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Patch: wfShellExec() malfunctioning on NT Build 7100 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20353 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (xu.jimmy.wrk)
[13:38:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch: wfShellExec() malfunctioning on NT Build 7100 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20353  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[13:44:11] <^demon>	Chuch_of_emacs: Good morning :)
[13:44:16] <^demon>	*Church, even
[13:44:27] <Church_of_emacs>	hi ^demon :)
[13:44:34] <Church_of_emacs>	I just arrived in Buenos Aires
[13:44:51] <^demon>	Ah, how's it down there?
[13:45:02] <Church_of_emacs>	uh... nice this far :)
[13:45:20] *^demon 	swears he will save enough money to make it to Wikimania one day
[13:45:45] <Church_of_emacs>	(/me actually got a Scholarship...)
[13:45:57] <p858snake>	^demon: just hide in brion's laugage
[13:48:24] <Church_of_emacs>	^demon, where do you live?
[13:49:25] <^demon>	East coast US.
[13:49:29] <^demon>	About two hours south of DC.
[13:50:33] <GerardM->	what is the temperature like ?
[13:50:34] <Church_of_emacs>	I'm sure Wikimania will come to the US someday :)
[13:50:37] <svip>	Virginia?
[13:50:51] <GerardM->	Wikimania HAS been to the USA
[13:50:57] <svip>	O_O
[13:51:08] <^demon>	GerardM-: Very humid summers. It got up to about 37C yesterday
[13:51:32] <svip>	{{globalize/USA}}
[13:51:38] <GerardM->	it is winter in Argentina
[13:51:46] <^demon>	svip: Eh, about 99F?
[13:51:46] <Church_of_emacs>	GerardM-, assuming there will be an infinite number of Wikimanias, it ought to be in the USA someday again... ;)
[13:51:54] <GerardM->	indeed
[13:51:59] <svip>	^demon: What is F?
[13:52:14] <^demon>	Yeah. I wasn't really involved in Wikimedia til after the US Wikimania :)
[13:52:19] <GerardM->	I hope to be there when it happens
[13:52:22] <^demon>	svip: Fahrenheit
[13:52:44] <GerardM->	the one thing I still remember is how white everyone was
[13:52:49] <Church_of_emacs>	^demon, dito. Wikimania in Frankfurt was <100km away from my home. But at that time, I wasn't into wikimedia yet
[13:53:03] <GerardM->	there were two black people ... from Africa
[13:53:08] <svip>	^demon: I don't trust temperature measurements created by imbeciles.
[13:53:22] <^demon>	Nor do I.
[13:53:48] <^demon>	32 is freezing, boiling is 212. It's absurd.
[13:54:33] <GerardM->	everybody knows that 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling
[13:54:52] <^demon>	GerardM-: Tell that to the 99% of the US who is used to Fahrenheit :)
[13:54:52] <werdna>	freezing is 273, boiling is 373
[13:55:01] <svip>	werdna knows it.
[13:55:04] <GerardM->	<grin> a country that does not understand that does not deserve Wikimania
[13:55:23] <^demon>	GerardM-: I for one agree with Celsius and the Metric system.
[13:55:39] <GerardM->	^demon ... I do not want to be lynched
[13:55:46] <Church_of_emacs>	visiting buenos aires now... cu guys
[13:55:50] <^demon>	Have fun
[13:55:57] <Church_of_emacs>	thanks :)
[13:55:58] <p858snake>	s/system/overlords/
[13:55:59] <GerardM->	I will be there on Monday
[13:56:10] <GerardM->	flying tomorrow
[13:56:13] <^demon>	GerardM-: In some places, they might label you "Anti-American" for things like that :P
[13:56:18] <CrGrBMP>	Hi. who knows how can i upload big number of files to my wiki, with no uploading file by file?
[13:56:37] <GerardM->	I am not anti American ... just anti some Americans
[13:56:56] *Emufarmers 	burns GerardM- at the stake
[13:57:19] <GerardM->	My sister told me today that she is more comfortable in Iran then in the USA
[13:57:35] <^demon>	CrGrBMP: Try the importImages maintenance script
[13:57:58] <GerardM->	.. she has not been to the USA yet
[13:57:58] <p858snake>	i'm only against the ones that think ellen and ophra are their gods
[13:58:12] <GerardM->	who is Ellen ?
[13:58:23] <piksi>	bleached oprah
[13:58:26] <werdna>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
[13:58:42] <GerardM->	<grin> how do you call a blonde with painted hair ?
[13:58:50] <GerardM->	artificial intelligence  
[13:58:50] <^demon>	Ugly?
[13:58:55] <^demon>	Haha
[13:58:56] <p858snake>	GerardM-: [[w:Ellen DeGeneres]]
[13:59:56] <svip>	>:| I need to put up a survey.  I am wondering more and more if I should create a Danish version of our Futurama wiki.  Even if only to improve the content available in the language.
[14:00:09] <GerardM->	she is the key person in a funny series right ?
[14:00:45] <GerardM->	I prefer Jon Steward ... he is funny and has a point
[14:00:45] <^demon>	A commercial just began with "Hannah Montana is the #1 DVD in America."
[14:00:51] <^demon>	I think I'm going to go kill myself now.
[14:01:21] <GerardM->	^demon ... the best sold DVD in the UK ... Mamma Mia
[14:01:28] <^demon>	GerardM-: Jon Steward has been funny since the day he went on the air :) Love watching him.
[14:02:02] <svip>	GerardM-: Stewart!  He is not the steward of Gondor... eh
[14:02:03] <^demon>	*Stewart, even
[14:03:00] <GerardM->	I watch his show regularly  ... one of the things he did is cut Steven Colbert loose
[14:03:22] <GerardM->	I think it is telling that people believe that his persona is for real
[14:04:19] <^demon>	I've never been a fan of Colbert. I find Stewart a lot more funny. I like his dry style much better than Colbert's over-the-top approach.
[14:04:57] <svip>	I like both approaches.
[14:06:51] <p858snake>	^demon: its beacause the army brought all the copies of the dvd for the in house enterainment at gitmo
[14:08:28] <GerardM->	you do know how they got Manuel Noriega right ?
[14:08:28] <^demon>	Heh
[14:12:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch: wfShellExec() malfunctioning on NT Build 7100 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20353  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[14:57:03] <Nikerabbit>	svip: yes
[15:02:53] <DeSian>	i will deactivate HTML using in wiki, the user should just use the mediawiki tags 
[15:03:03] <svip>	Nikerabbit: Yes?
[15:03:05] <DeSian>	*info mediawiki 1.15.1
[15:03:41] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Hey
[15:04:10] <svip>	^demon: Can you tell me what he was saying "yes" to?
[15:04:51] <^demon>	No clue, I didn't see it in scrollback.
[15:10:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flood flag for Stragetic Planning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20347   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[15:11:21] *werdna 	prods Nikerabbit too
[15:16:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	Can someone give me the relative url of the place where the user css for tables and stuff like that's stored?
[15:21:27] <CIA-70>	03demon * r55478 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/SecurePoll.php: Remove svn keywords in $wgExtensionCredits
[15:25:03] <CIA-70>	03demon * r55479 10/trunk/extensions/SecurePoll/SecurePoll.i18n.php: (bug 20235) "Need to be an admin" message is ambiguous
[15:25:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Admin not admitted, where admin right required? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20235  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[15:25:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Admin not admitted, where admin right required? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20235  (10innocentkiller)
[15:32:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patch: wfShellExec() malfunctioning on NT Build 7100 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20353  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[16:26:20] <^xnor>	hi
[16:26:27] <^xnor>	I get an internal error here: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Code/MediaWiki/55475&action=purge
[16:29:42] <NBH>	Anyone able to help me with this? Was trying to enable image uploads - http://pastebin.com/m44c58567
[16:41:59] <NBH>	Edit: Nevermind. Did a load of digging and got my problem fixed.
[16:50:17] <CIA-70>	03demon * r55480 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (. GlobalFunctions.php): Merge r53381 from wmf-deployment. Throw more informational error on creation failure.
[17:05:07] <anne_b>	hello, what purpose does the "id" parameter in the createBox/inputBox serve?
[17:06:49] <DeSian>	what's about my question!? team are busy :)
[17:20:21] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528  +comment (10brion)
[17:49:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use LiquidThreads to implement comments for CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20354 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (brion)
[17:52:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use LiquidThreads to implement comments for CodeReview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20354  (10brion)
[17:52:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wiki page edit tools above and below edit field wanted in Special:Code - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18378  +comment (10brion)
[17:53:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Typing tags should auto-suggest current ones - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18002  +comment (10brion)
[18:03:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XSLT parameter to API queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19528  (10gtisza)
[18:05:22] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55481 10/trunk/extensions/TrustedXFF/trusted-hosts.txt: Merge r55331 from wmf-deployment (which was merged from a live hack)
[18:07:05] <Nikerabbit>	svip: the gender thingie
[18:07:22] *Nikerabbit 	prods werdna back
[18:08:59] *Nikerabbit 	read the whole scrollback
[18:22:15] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55482 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/addwiki.php: 
[18:22:15] <CIA-70>	Merge r55331 from wmf-deployment (which was merged from a live hack)
[18:22:15] <CIA-70>	Note: Not per SVN merge because syntax differs:
[18:22:15] <CIA-70>	dbsource( ..., $dbw );
[18:22:15] <CIA-70>	vs.
[18:22:15] <CIA-70>	$dbw->sourceFile( ... );
[18:25:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) capitalization not working in the Search box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7084  +comment (10kipmaster)
[18:30:30] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55483 10/trunk/extensions/HoneypotIntegration/HoneypotIntegration.class.php: 
[18:30:30] <CIA-70>	Merge r55331 from wmf-deployment (which was merged from a live hack)
[18:30:30] <CIA-70>	possibly unnecessary global line in HoneypotIntegration?
[18:31:56] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55484 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/maintenance/mergeJavascriptMsg.php: 
[18:31:56] <CIA-70>	* update comment writing (add space to second and third line)
[18:31:56] <CIA-70>	* stylize.php and indentation updated
[18:32:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Propose a "Common.js/css" for all skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20355 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (xu.jimmy.wrk)
[18:32:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Propose a "Common.js/css" for all skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20355  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[18:40:09] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Propose a "Common.js/css" for all skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20355  +comment (10Platonides)
[18:40:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add personal Common.css & Common.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10183  +comment (10Platonides)
[18:41:18] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55485 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: 
[18:41:18] <CIA-70>	Update mwEmbed.i18n.php
[18:41:18] <CIA-70>	For some reasons libEmbedVideo/embedVideo.js is not imported (could not get any json vars from:/libEmbedVideo/embedVideo.js). Looking into that.
[18:44:02] <svip>	Nikerabbit: What gender thingie?
[18:45:44] <Nikerabbit>	svip: you asked if it is possible to see the gender of user
[18:46:00] <svip>	Oh.
[18:46:03] <svip>	That was days ago.
[18:46:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add personal Common.css & Common.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10183  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[18:46:09] <Nikerabbit>	so what?
[18:49:38] <Platonides>	there's {{gender: }}
[18:52:00] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:UserOptionStats/gender
[18:52:30] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: is the difference of reporting the "default" value in new and old prefs intentional?
[18:54:48] <Nikerabbit>	mui-hi brion-netbook
[19:05:09] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55486 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Random fixes for messages and message formatting
[19:09:18] <Alphos>	does any of you know if the use of svg with xlinks is supported and renders as an imagemapped png ?
[19:10:00] <Alphos>	(<a xlink:href="http://something.com">text</a>)
[19:10:30] <brion>	Alphos: Alphos afaik that won't be stripped from the svg, but no at this time it won't do anything helpful in the rasterized output
[19:10:44] <Alphos>	ok
[19:10:49] <Alphos>	could be useful though :(
[19:11:00] <brion>	could be :)
[19:11:22] <Alphos>	^^'
[19:11:23] <brion>	i'd probably rather have support for specifying on-wiki links than externals, though
[19:11:35] <Alphos>	yes, of course
[19:11:38] <brion>	that way your links would still work when content is copied to another sitee
[19:11:57] <Alphos>	both could be great
[19:12:11] <Alphos>	after all, internal links are just... links ^^'
[19:12:29] <brion>	:)
[19:12:36] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55487 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (27 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-08-22 19:00 UTC)
[19:12:39] <Alphos>	but that would need to use the parser on images ^^'
[19:12:54] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55488 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/remoteSearchDriver.js: Update messages and formatting
[19:13:09] <Alphos>	(counterintuitive much :D )
[19:14:15] <brion>	there are many things that could be done if we dig into svgs a little more; localization, graphing based on data, all kinds of fun :D
[19:14:19] <brion>	links are just the beginning!
[19:15:57] *Alphos 	cools brion's head... we won't conquer earth tonight :p
[19:16:42] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55489 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/remoteSearchDriver.js: Hope this is the last formatting issue fixed.
[19:17:24] *Nikerabbit 	gives brion a cookie with hidden link to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/53710#code-comments
[19:18:12] <Alphos>	although for graphing based on data, it would be a nice replacement for (e.g) timelines...
[19:18:27] <Alphos>	Nikerabbit could you tell me where you get your fortune cookies ? :D
[19:19:43] <Nikerabbit>	Alphos: a local baker near here :o
[19:20:02] <Alphos>	works for WMF ? :x
[19:20:17] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55490 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: Update with mergeJavascriptMsg.php js2php
[19:20:25] <Alphos>	i don't see any other explanation to the cookies with hidden links to MW site :p
[19:20:34] <brion>	nommy nom nom
[19:21:07] <brion>	Nikerabbit: yeah i imagine that's fine :)
[19:21:26] <Nikerabbit>	brion: oky, I'll look if I can solve the problematic part
[19:21:29] <brion>	\o/
[19:30:32] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55491 10/trunk/extensions/ (88 files in 79 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-08-22 19:10 UTC)
[19:32:53] <CIA-70>	03brion * r55492 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/images/ (search-ltr.png search-rtl.png): Cut search icons by ~100 bytes each; optipng default settings.
[19:42:27] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55493 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/maintenance/mergeJavascriptMsg.php: 
[19:42:27] <CIA-70>	* change trim() for $postFile to ltrim(). Want the trailing newline
[19:42:27] <CIA-70>	* update comments
[19:51:02] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55494 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libEmbedVideo/embedVideo.js: Fix formatting error that caused mergeJavascriptMsg.php to bork on js2php
[19:53:36] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55495 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: Update with messages from embedVideo.js (follow-up to r55494)
[19:55:41] <CIA-70>	03brion * r55496 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: 
[19:55:41] <CIA-70>	Reduce output size of Skin::makeVariablesScript() for the head variables.
[19:55:41] <CIA-70>	Drops a lot of unnecessary whitespace (but keeps newlines for legibility) and puts multiple defs into a single 'var' statement.
[19:55:41] <CIA-70>	Reduces the head vars script from 1485 bytes to 1201 (nearly 20% savings), though this is of course reduced with gzipping (27 bytes, 4%). Cutting those bytes out of *every dang request* doesn't hurt though. :)
[19:57:43] <shellyell>	yo
[19:58:00] <shellyell>	I need help. You see, when I try to upload an image on my wiki I get this error message: Could not rename file "/tmp/phpHAW6Kq" to "public/b/bc/Blathers.jpg". 
[19:58:16] <siebrand>	!upload | shellyell
[19:58:16] --mwbot--	shellyell: File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true to enable it. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files.
[19:58:34] <shellyell>	I've had this wiki for a while, I think I have done that already.
[19:58:40] <shellyell>	But thanks, I'll check again :D
[20:00:32] <shellyell>	I was able to upload images before.
[20:00:54] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55497 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php: use tabs for identation, not spaces
[20:01:23] <shellyell>	huh
[20:01:36] <shellyell>	$wgEnableUpload is set to ture.
[20:01:38] <shellyell>	*true
[20:01:52] <shellyell>	Anyone know what's going on?
[20:03:51] <avar>	shellyell: that error suggest a permission error, not a configuration problem with mw
[20:04:02] <Platonides>	shellyell, is the image folder writable?
[20:04:05] <shellyell>	Yes
[20:04:07] <shellyell>	777
[20:04:17] <Platonides>	and images/b/bc ?
[20:04:34] <shellyell>	Er....
[20:04:42] <shellyell>	That's odd, bc isn't a folder
[20:04:44] <shellyell>	It's a file.
[20:05:08] <shellyell>	And it looks like it has randomly generated characters in it.....
[20:05:23] <Platonides>	that's bad
[20:05:26] <shellyell>	Û[$4µÏ
[20:05:32] <shellyell>	what does this mean?
[20:05:39] <shellyell>	how is it bad?
[20:05:39] <Platonides>	it should have been a folder
[20:05:47] <shellyell>	so can I fix it manually?
[20:05:53] <Platonides>	delete it and try uploading again
[20:05:55] <ialex>	delete it
[20:06:03] <ialex>	:)
[20:06:19] <shellyell>	Ah, thanks
[20:06:21] <shellyell>	It works fine now
[20:06:23] <shellyell>	:)
[20:07:52] <CIA-70>	03brion * r55498 10/trunk/extensions/Drafts/Drafts.hooks.php: (log message trimmed)
[20:07:52] <CIA-70>	Remove extra inline <script> exposing $wgDraftsStyleVersion to JS; the JS doesn't use it.
[20:07:52] <CIA-70>	Note -- if it's necessary later, it would be cleaner to add it to the global JS vars with another hook, so we don't have to build another <script> around it:
[20:07:52] <CIA-70>	// Add $wgDraftsStyleVersion to page JS vars
[20:07:54] <CIA-70>	$wgHooks['MakeGlobalVariablesScript'][] = 'DraftHooks::addStyleVersion';
[20:07:56] <CIA-70>	...
[20:07:58] <CIA-70>	/**
[20:12:30] <CIA-70>	03brion * r55499 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/CentralNotice.php: More inline <script> cleanup: move wgNotice / wgNoticeLocal initializations to global JS vars definition to drop another unnecessary <script>let
[20:15:38] <CIA-70>	03brion * r55500 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (OutputPage.php Skin.php): Clean up some of the unnecessary tabs splattered throughout our output. They tend to combine confusingly and just inflate both source and output without actually improving readability much.
[20:17:41] <CIA-70>	03mrzman * r55501 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Mostly revert r53358 and r53365 per comments on code review. Change message to just say "Database" and remove the getDBtypeForMsg function (since I can't think of any other use for it)
[20:26:17] <Nikerabbit>	hi rainman-sr 
[20:27:19] <rainman-sr>	hello
[20:27:43] <rainman-sr>	you going to BsAs?
[20:34:04] <hotchip>	why would {{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} give the same value over and over?
[20:35:21] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55502 10/trunk/extensions/OnlineStatus/OnlineStatus.php: use ScriptLoader in OnlineStatus
[20:35:56] <ialex>	hotchip: can happen if the page is saved in parser cache
[20:36:28] <ialex>	in this case, use ?action=purge in the url
[20:37:03] <hotchip>	hmm i'll give it a try
[20:37:16] <hotchip>	would disabling the caching itself be abad idea?
[20:38:28] <ialex>	can increase a bit the load
[20:38:48] <ialex>	depends on the pages size
[20:39:19] <ialex>	number of used templates, ...
[20:40:37] <hotchip>	i'm using forms to create pages in a custom namespace, and the page names are just the value returned by {{CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} but it keeps reusing the same value and overwriting the pages
[20:40:42] <hotchip>	or messing them up somehow
[20:40:45] <hotchip>	not sure whats gonig on
[20:41:16] <ialex>	is your wiki public?
[20:41:22] <hotchip>	no, sorry
[20:41:44] <hotchip>	i'm designing it for a client, and am not allowed to make it public
[20:53:01] <hotchip>	is there a way to make sure individual pages are reparsed each time
[20:53:39] <hotchip>	b/c i cant guarantee that every link to this page in the whole wiki will pass the purge action, but it definitely needs to be reparsed each load
[20:56:35] <siebrand>	werdna: ping?
[20:56:35] <werdna>	siebrand: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[20:57:23] <siebrand>	werdna: I think you broked Live Preview recently. See http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Support#Problems_with_preview. For behaviour, please use preview function there.
[20:57:32] <Alphos>	is '1' a bit of information ? :x
[20:59:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) spinner.gif progress indicator looks kinda weird - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20356 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (brion)
[21:00:12] *Emufarmers 	nominates the spinning Jimbo
[21:00:19] <brion>	heheheh
[21:00:49] <brion>	siebrand: werdna's last updates to it require js2 to be enabled, i believe
[21:01:02] <siebrand>	brion: prequiresite is met.
[21:01:15] <brion>	then you and werdna may enter the ultimate fighting circle
[21:01:18] <brion>	TWO DEVS ENTER
[21:01:20] <brion>	ONE DEV LEAVES
[21:01:29] <apergos>	wait no
[21:01:30] <siebrand>	omg.
[21:01:34] <apergos>	we need more devs, not less!
[21:01:51] <siebrand>	hmm, just more brions atm.
[21:02:27] <siebrand>	and now that guy has to go to Argentinia for a whole week...
[21:02:43] <siebrand>	even less time for code reviews.
[21:03:48] <brion>	what do you think i'm going to be doing all week there ;)
[21:05:05] <siebrand>	brion: it may be the same thing mdale fixed this week. We're using Google ads, and live preview comes back with an empty page with a <script> 1google_protectAndRun("ads_core.google_render_ad", google_handleError, google_render_ad); and nothing more.
[21:05:31] <brion>	heh
[21:05:40] <siebrand>	hmm, I can check by disabling google ads. hadn't thought of that...
[21:07:00] <siebrand>	grr, sidebar caches and stuff.
[21:08:23] <ialex>	brion: for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/55457 it was $dbw->selectField( 'page', 'page_id', array( 'page_latest' => $revID ), __METHOD__ ); that's unindexed?
[21:08:32] <Church_of_emacs>	btw, when are you arriving in argentinia? (/me is already there. WiFi is confirmed to be working)
[21:08:45] <brion>	ialex: right
[21:08:52] <brion>	afaik there's no page_latest index
[21:09:08] <brion>	yep indeed, none there
[21:09:18] <hotchip>	hey do any of you guys know if theres a way to force a certain page to be reparsed each time its loaded, as opposed to being pulled from the cache
[21:09:27] <ialex>	brion: $dbw->selectField( 'revision', 'rev_id', array( 'rev_page' => $pageID ), __METHOD__, array( 'ORDER BY' => 'rev_timestamp DESC' ) ) is ok?
[21:09:30] <hotchip>	aside from action=purge
[21:09:35] <hotchip>	which i cant control for the entire site
[21:09:35] <brion>	i believe you've already got access to rev_page while you're working with the rev so you should just look it up with that
[21:09:52] <brion>	yeah that should be fine
[21:09:56] <Articles>	brion: 1) Beer 2) Code review 3) ??? 4) Profit!
[21:10:06] <brion>	hotchip: checked the faqs?
[21:10:18] <hotchip>	been searching a lot, cant find anything
[21:10:24] <ialex>	brion: will redo it with selecting rev_page and then page_latest with that page_id
[21:10:30] <brion>	MrZ-man: i believe step 3 is "more beer"
[21:10:34] <brion>	\o/
[21:11:15] <ialex>	:D
[21:11:36] <brion>	https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions#How_do_I_disable_caching_for_pages_using_my_extension.3F ?
[21:11:49] <brion>	or anything else on https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=disable+caching&go=Go results?
[21:12:02] <Nikerabbit>	rainman-sr: me? not
[21:13:08] <CIA-70>	03rotem * r55503 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[21:22:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Need default values for accesskey-n-mainpage-description and tooltip-n-mainpage-description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20317  (10rockmfr)
[21:23:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Need default values for accesskey-n-mainpage-description and tooltip-n-mainpage-description - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20317   +need-review (10rockmfr)
[21:24:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Commons forbids uploading due to lack of licence, etc, in situations where anything typed in will be meaningless. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20357 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (cuerden)
[21:27:26] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55504 10/trunk/extensions/OnlineStatus/OnlineStatus.php: bump version per r55502
[21:36:39] <GerardM->	Brion what is this a whole week of code review and beer ?
[21:37:20] <Emufarmers>	And discussing the future of code review and beer
[21:37:30] <GerardM->	In order to qualify for some beer I will do some coding as well then
[21:37:49] <GerardM->	Testing is a subject dear to my heart ... 
[21:38:55] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55505 10/trunk/extensions/OnlineStatus/OnlineStatus.php: Fix for r55016: readd the MagicWordwgVariableIDs hook, it is required to declare variables
[21:39:21] <brion>	:D
[21:41:02] <GerardM->	<grin> as my coding will be either bash or pythong ... I may just upload it to SVN without anyone looking :)
[21:45:17] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55506 10/trunk/extensions/AssertEdit/AssertEdit.php: Follow-up r55449: update efAssertEditHook() accordingly
[21:48:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) accesskey-ca-unprotect and tooltip-ca-unprotect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20358 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (rockmfr)
[21:49:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Commons forbids uploading due to lack of licence, etc, in situations where anything typed in will be meaningless. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20357  (10cuerden)
[21:52:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add personal Common.css & Common.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10183  (10azatoth)
[21:54:10] <CIA-70>	03brion * r55507 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LocalisationCache.php: Change r52690 per suggestions on CodeReview: rearrange from boolean OR mysteriously changed to binary OR to a nice plain if statement.
[22:10:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Subst: prefix does not work in image captions inside <gallery></gallery> tags. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20359 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (jamydlan)
[22:12:31] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Subst: prefix does not work in image captions inside <gallery></gallery> tags. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20359  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[22:12:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pre-save transform skips extensions using wikitext (gallery, references, footnotes, Cite, pipe trick, subst, signatures) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2700  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[22:12:57] <ialex>	bug 2700 has a lot of dupes
[22:13:27] <ialex>	2700: 21
[22:15:04] <brion>	:(
[22:26:45] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55508 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Skin.php SkinTemplate.php): Per Brion's comment on r52683: use $wgOut->isPrintable() rather than $wgRequest->getBool( 'printable' )
[22:27:36] <shortcircuit>	Chatted with a friend this morning, and he gave me a plausible reason for the categry column in the category-page bridge table being VARCHAR(255).
[22:28:15] <shortcircuit>	In the majority of cases, you typically want to know which categories a page is in, rather than which pages are in a category.
[22:28:58] <shortcircuit>	Having the category column in the bridge table as VARCHAR, with the category name as the field value, avoid joining the category table in the query when trying to find out which categories a page is in.
[22:29:50] <shortcircuit>	My problem is that the majority of my bot's work involves going from the category column to the page column, and the bridge table is optimized for speed in the opposite direction.
[22:30:27] <shortcircuit>	There are two ways I can go about speeding up my query without modifying the schema.
[22:31:06] <shortcircuit>	So I'm probably in good shape. :)
[22:31:29] <Emufarmers>	Cool story, bro
[22:37:24] <shortcircuit>	It's a tricky task keeping a wiki with 2500-3000 pageviews per day, 60-80 human edits per day, and up to 2000 bot edits per day operating smoothly in 256MB of RAM, but I seem to be getting by. :)
[22:41:17] <GreenReaper>	Damn humans.
[22:41:33] <GreenReaper>	That's the size of our APC cache. <g>
[22:41:40] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55509 10/trunk/extensions/ (Autoincrement/Autoincrement.php PSINoTocNum/PSINoTocNum.php): 
[22:41:40] <CIA-70>	More fixes for r55016:
[22:41:40] <CIA-70>	* Autoincrement: readd the MagicWordwgVariableIDs hook, same as r55505
[22:41:40] <CIA-70>	* PSINoTocNum: fix "Use of undefined constant MAG_NOTOCNUM - assumed 'MAG_NOTOCNUM'" due to the removal of the MagicWordMagicWords hook
[22:41:48] <GreenReaper>	Though it could probably be trimmed by about 40Mb.
[22:41:58] <GreenReaper>	and of our Squid cache, coincidentally.
[22:44:59] <CIA-70>	03brion * r55510 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
[22:44:59] <CIA-70>	Add a Makefile and a copy of the cssjanus script so folks can update the RTL variant stylesheet more easily.
[22:44:59] <CIA-70>	cssjanus from r28 on the Google Code project: http://code.google.com/p/cssjanus/source/browse/#svn/trunk
[22:44:59] <CIA-70>	Plus a patch for the broken options: http://code.google.com/p/cssjanus/issues/detail?id=11
[22:45:00] <CIA-70>	cssjanus is under Apache license.
[22:48:23] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55511 10/trunk/extensions/PSINoTocNum/PSINoTocNum.php: hmm, this was supposed to be part of r55509
[22:48:52] <brion>	shortcircuit: categorylinks table predates the categories table by several years
[22:49:01] <shortcircuit>	brion: So I've heard.
[22:49:05] <brion>	as with pagelinks table, the primary identifying target is the text
[22:49:27] <brion>	it's probably possible to change categorylinks these days to use the category id, but i'm not sure what annoying troubles it would introduce in keeping things normalized :)
[22:49:57] <shortcircuit>	As opposed to keeping category names normalized in two different tables? :)
[22:50:24] <shortcircuit>	I understand there's currently no way to rename categories, either.
[22:50:37] <shortcircuit>	I can easily see that normalization issue as being a roadblock for doing it reliably.
[22:51:37] <brion>	keep in mind that the link tables reflect the text that's actually in the articles; if you were to rename a category page it would not change the links -- the category membership would remain the same
[22:52:16] <shortcircuit>	But what of #REDIRECT?  Last I checked, that wasn't supported, either.
[22:52:17] <Platonides>	shortcircuit, why do you have so many bot edits?
[22:52:54] <Platonides>	I guess you could probably take out bot action and make instead a special page or an extension tag...
[22:53:01] <shortcircuit>	Platonides: Because at the time the functionality was needed, I knew just about squat about generating the reports on the fly.
[22:53:48] <shortcircuit>	Even now, performing the query that would generate the report takes 400ms.  That would be suicide if I got heavy traffic on a page.
[22:54:14] <Platonides>	You could perform the query as often as you havwe your bot edit
[22:54:28] <shortcircuit>	The bot's edits are strictly creating the reports.
[22:54:42] <shortcircuit>	The bot doesn't change content pages; It only generates reports.
[22:54:53] <Platonides>	are they all page creations?
[22:55:22] <shortcircuit>	http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Unimplemented_tasks_by_language
[22:55:25] <shortcircuit>	Yeah.
[22:55:41] <shortcircuit>	Three (or four) page creations/replacements per entry in that category.
[22:55:43] <Platonides>	I thought you would be writing on one page thousands of revisions
[22:55:56] <shortcircuit>	I would, if MediaWiki supported pages with that much data.
[22:56:05] <shortcircuit>	Believe me, that was the first approach I tried.
[22:56:51] <shortcircuit>	Unfortunately, with the content currently on the wiki, that would result in a table with over 50k cells.
[22:57:46] <shortcircuit>	51,832, at the moment.
[22:58:16] <vvv>	Wow. I recieved to emails from mw.org, one links to secure server, one links to usual one
[22:58:47] <Platonides>	shortcircuit, I think you should remove '* ' from Template:Unimpl_task_link
[22:59:03] <Platonides>	since it is used as "* {{Unmimpl_task_link"
[22:59:08] <shortcircuit>	Platonides: Actually, I'm removing it from the bot's posted page.  That was a bug I introduced earlier today.
[22:59:10] <Platonides>	thus leading to double items
[22:59:11] <shortcircuit>	Er.
[22:59:14] <shortcircuit>	Earlier this week.
[22:59:39] <shortcircuit>	Finally have time to deal with it today.  This wiki is my unpaid job. :)
[23:00:05] <Platonides>	I suspect that mediawiki is not the right tool for that
[23:00:47] <shortcircuit>	I have two options.  Either I can bend MediaWiki to my needs, or I can switch to some other system without nearly as much outside-supported active development.
[23:02:18] <shortcircuit>	I've got several things in mind to allow me to speed things up and make them more efficient, it just takes time to implement them.
[23:03:04] <shortcircuit>	I need to learn how to write an extension to handle a namespace, for example.  And how to use MediaWiki's built-in work queue.
[23:06:29] <shortcircuit>	MediaWiki is extraordinarily flexible, once you learn how to hook into its various parts.  Right now I'm doing some things in horribly inefficient ways, and I plan to rectify those.
[23:14:26] <DeSian>	i will disable HTML code in my wiki. is that possible?
[23:20:32] <shortcircuit>	DeSian: It would require a parser extension
[23:20:43] <shortcircuit>	DeSian: There may be one on mediawiki.org already.
[23:20:55] <shortcircuit>	Er.
[23:21:04] <shortcircuit>	Wait.  MediaWiki already disallows some HTML.
[23:21:05] <shortcircuit>	Hm.
[23:24:21] <DeSian>	thnx, i need Exte...
[23:27:26] <shortcircuit>	DeSian: Look around on this page: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[23:27:56] <DeSian>	thnx again
[23:28:49] *Alphos 	hugs wikia's staff for deleting two wikias runned by a newbie who didn't like the CC BY SA licence on fr.wp, turned semi-paranoid, and vandalized the two wikias to get everyone to think a fr.WP admin had vandalized them ^^
[23:30:23] <svip>	Bah.
[23:30:36] <svip>	Wikia's wikis are horrible to look at anyway.
[23:30:54] <Alphos>	(i know they probably won't be there, but that's as close a chan i have in common with them as i have currently :D )
[23:31:43] <svip>	Another question:  Why was the preferences for users moved into its own table?
[23:44:39] <shortcircuit>	Hm.
[23:45:26] <Emufarmers>	svip: ask werdna
[23:45:40] *shortcircuit 	ponders a once-a-minute cron job that checks the current load average and flushes the job queue if it's low enough.
[23:46:42] <shortcircuit>	Does runjobs support an argument indicating how many jobs to run?  I could adjust the number of jobs flushed per minute, rather than flushing all-or-none.
[23:47:22] <CIA-70>	03rainman * r55512 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Put in some test cases for synonyms and split handling of uk/us synonyms.
[23:50:01] <Emufarmers>	shortcircuit: maxjobs : Maximum number of jobs to run
[23:50:19] <shortcircuit>	Good to know. Thanks.
[23:58:11] <Emufarmers>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-08-17/Technology_report Man, what a lame BRION report. :-(
[23:58:33] <brion>	hey, i didn't write it :)
[23:58:39] <brion>	besides all the fun stuff's coming next week ;)
[23:58:55] <Emufarmers>	My fix made it in there, somehow, even though it doesn't have anything to do with Wikimedia
[23:59:12] <Emufarmers>	well, I guess it'd be handy if you were importing a dump _from_ a Wikimedia project