[00:01:43] *Simetrical 	wonders when the HTML WG will respond to his application to be an Invited Expert
[00:02:20] <svip>	HTML WG?
[00:02:29] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[00:02:34] <svip>	Going?
[00:02:41] <Simetrical>	What?
[00:02:54] <svip>	Yeah.
[00:03:02] <Simetrical>	. . .
[00:03:06] <svip>	You won't be an Invited Expert.
[00:03:18] <svip>	Sorry.
[00:03:20] <svip>	But!
[00:03:23] <svip>	I have good news.
[00:03:27] <svip>	"expert" is not a protected title.
[00:03:33] <svip>	You can call it yourself regardless.
[00:03:42] <Simetrical>	. . . I just want to be able to post to the public-html list.
[00:03:46] <Simetrical>	And subscribe to it.
[00:03:48] <svip>	So, on news, you can still be "Simetrical - Expert" in the lowerthirds.
[00:11:44] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) createAndPromote error on bad password - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19157  +comment (10brion)
[00:17:40] <Evet>	nite
[00:26:19] <Subfader>	why do parsed images have no title by default? it seems to be reserved for caption= and link= ??
[00:26:49] <Subfader>	but when those ar enot given the default title should be the file name imo so you can see it in the tooltip
[00:27:31] <Subfader>	esp. in galleries
[00:29:23] <Emufarmers>	I believe that used to be behavior; presumably they changed it (because it's really stupid behavior)
[00:30:23] <Subfader>	i think it's useful.
[00:31:07] <Subfader>	there's no reason to keep the title tag empty imo
[00:31:24] <svip>	attribute?
[00:32:13] <Simetrical>	There's no reason to put useless content in the title attribute.
[00:32:17] <Simetrical>	What would you propose putting in it?
[00:32:29] <Simetrical>	Formerly it tended to duplicate other stuff; that's not useful.
[00:32:46] <Subfader>	see the image title as tooltip?
[00:34:09] <Subfader>	or is it a problem accessibility-wise? can't remember if screen readers use to read the title tag as well. would make sense to keep it empty then :/
[00:34:27] <Subfader>	although i think screen readers should get smarter instead
[00:34:51] <Simetrical>	What's the point of having the image title as a tooltip?  It duplicates the end of the URL.
[00:36:14] <Subfader>	what's the point of not seeing it in a gallery with shortened titles in the caption or an articles?
[00:37:42] <Simetrical>	If we had to add everything that we couldn't think of a reason *not* to add, the typical page's HTML would be about 50 MB.
[00:37:52] <Simetrical>	You have to come up with a good reason to *have* it.
[00:39:53] <Subfader>	agreed. it's a totally minor issue ;)
[00:49:57] <brion>	another hour in dulles... sigh
[01:08:47] <OverlordQ>	you could always play oregon trail, see if you can get to dulles before your flight leaves :)
[01:09:35] <OverlordQ>	oh wait, that's dalles
[01:11:07] <saper>	Dulles? IAD?
[01:11:10] <saper>	or Dallas
[01:15:30] <OverlordQ>	oh and he left too, gg me for having backscrolled and forget to scroll forward all the way lol
[01:17:20] <MrZ-man>	lol
[01:17:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error with latest PHP using xampp/lampp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20371  (10Rgoodermote)
[01:26:24] <TheWoozle>	Is there a known bug with search-indexing of File: pages? Or is there something wacky with my installation? F'rinstance...
[01:27:06] <TheWoozle>	...a page with the name "File:Mmmm corn.JPG" doesn't come up in a search for the word "corn", though another page which contains "corn" in the text does come up (and yes, I have the File: namespace included in the search).
[01:27:31] <TheWoozle>	I took a look at the searchindex table, and the only title I find which begins with "mmmm" is this: "mmmm cornu82ejpgu800"
[01:27:52] <TheWoozle>	Other file-namespace page titles are similarly mangled.
[01:28:00] <TheWoozle>	So, whazzup widdat?
[01:28:34] <Simetrical>	Dunno.  u82e and u800 looks like it might be some kind of hexadecimal Unicode encoding or something.
[01:28:43] <Simetrical>	Oh, no.
[01:28:45] <Simetrical>	I think I remember.
[01:28:59] <Simetrical>	It's a way to get around MySQL's default list of ignored characters.
[01:29:12] <Simetrical>	The reason it's not showing up is probably because the word is being treated as "corn.jpg", not "corn".
[01:29:18] <Simetrical>	Try searching for "corn.jpg" instead.
[01:29:21] <TheWoozle>	ok...
[01:29:38] <Simetrical>	Our MySQL-based search is pretty terrible.  The Lucene search extension is way better.
[01:29:42] <CIA-70>	03shinjiman * r55542 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[01:29:45] <TheWoozle>	Ah, yeah. That works. Oy.
[01:29:57] <TheWoozle>	So, the recommendation is to install Lucene?
[01:29:58] <Simetrical>	Partly because Lucene is better than MySQL fulltext search, partly because Lucene is what's used on Wikipedia so it gets all the love.
[01:30:28] <Simetrical>	Well, if you can spare the effort, it will give you better results.  It probably would take some work.  I've never done it myself.
[01:30:34] <GreenReaper>	TheWoozle: Either that or hack together what you can with the MySQL engine.
[01:30:38] <Simetrical>	It's a nonstarter if you don't have at least shell access, I suspect.
[01:30:51] <TheWoozle>	This is on our home server, so We Haz Root.
[01:31:00] <GreenReaper>	That's good, 'cause you need that too.
[01:32:38] <TheWoozle>	(Heh... I wore a green hooded jacket last year when I was answering the door for Halloween, and introduced myself as The Green Reaper... surprisingly few people seemed to get the joke.)
[01:32:53] <GreenReaper>	That's where the name comes from!
[01:33:35] <TheWoozle>	From me wearing a green jacket last halloween, or just the joke in general? ;-)
[01:33:49] <GreenReaper>	General.
[01:33:52] *TheWoozle 	nods
[01:33:54] *GreenReaper 	has had it for over a decade now.
[01:49:17] <CIA-70>	03shinjiman * r55543 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates Cantonese and Chinese for extension messages
[02:15:06] <CIA-70>	03demon * r55544 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (5 files): Rewrite various TableCleanup scripts to subclass Maintenance instead of FiveUpgrade
[02:24:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RevisionDelete and rollback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20372 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Deleting; (jayvdb)
[02:30:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete and rollback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20372  (10Emufarmers)
[02:43:05] <Emufarmers>	http://strategy.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Hire_Nikerabbit_and_Siebrand&diff=7237&oldid=6307 Haha, <3
[02:44:19] <MrZ-man>	lol
[02:50:12] <Emufarmers>	Why is the "you might lose what you're writing thing" displayed to all anons?  Why don't we do browser or capability sniffing?
[02:50:16] *Emufarmers 	hides from AryehGregor
[02:52:53] <MrZ-man>	Emufarmers: because developers are lazy?
[04:10:32] <neil_d>	hi, installing mediawiki 1.15.1 on postgresql 8.3.7 but the install script says that I have version 7.3 or earlier :( what is wrong?
[04:32:10] <neil_d>	why do I get the message "Attempting to connect to database "mediawikidb" as "mediawikiuser"... error: No database connection" when I can use the command "psql --host localhost --user mediawikiuser mediawikidb" and log in OK?
[04:34:06] <hotchip>	hi
[04:34:19] <neil_d>	hotchip: hi
[04:34:52] <hotchip>	question - i have a test function, func() in Common.js, and all ti does is call alert('test'); and i have some forms that say onclick=func(), but it doesnt work
[04:35:13] <hotchip>	but i have another function, func2() in Common.js, and when i click a link that calls javascript:func2() it works
[04:35:17] <hotchip>	sup w that
[04:37:27] <hotchip>	in a nutshell, my functions in Common.js can be called from links but not events
[04:37:35] <hotchip>	is that normal for mediawiki?
[04:48:01] <Prodego>	I'm going with no
[04:48:22] <hotchip>	yeah i'm really struggling to figure this out
[04:48:43] <hotchip>	any ideas?
[04:52:39] <hotchip>	bah
[04:52:47] <hotchip>	this channel is about as helpful as a sharp stick in the eye
[04:53:17] <apergos>	darn, I was gonna poke him in the eye... shoot :-P
[04:53:43] <apergos>	(I was off adding content elsewhere... traitor that I am)
[22:06:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[22:07:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add ace, ckb, mwl, pnb to interwiki table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20214  (10cbrown1023)
[22:16:01] <TehShrike2>	Hello, smart people.  I come here today to ask of you this question: "What is the 'correct' way to create a user group?"
[22:19:37] <Duesentrieb>	TehShrike2: by using it. that is, by assigning privileges to it.
[22:19:46] <Duesentrieb>	!rights
[22:19:46] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[22:21:13] <TehShrike2>	Thank you!
[22:47:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  +comment (10public)
[22:51:45] <Diamant001>	hallo ?
[22:51:59] <Annemarie>	Hello.
[22:52:56] <Diamant001>	verteht mich einer ?
[23:10:24] <vvv>	Does bugzilla has closed products/components?
[23:12:28] <Annemarie>	It does. A few odd bugs are closed. 
[23:12:36] <Quentinv57>	Hello. I have problems with the command categorymembers of the API. Can somebody help me ?
[23:12:55] <AryehGregor>	!ask | Quentinv57 
[23:12:55] --mwbot--	Quentinv57: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[23:13:16] <Quentinv57>	!gethelp
[23:13:16] --mwbot--	Please read http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[23:13:27] <Annemarie>	AryehGregor: You nick changer you. 
[23:13:41] <AryehGregor>	Annemarie, people I knew from W3C lists were getting confused by my IRC nick.
[23:13:50] <AryehGregor>	I wish I could have aryeh, but it's taken.  :(
[23:14:04] <AryehGregor>	Also, pot . . . kettle . . . black.  :P
[23:14:05] <Emufarmers>	What's wrong with Simetrical? :(
[23:14:07] <Annemarie>	Last seen  : Jul 08 02:57:18 2009 (6 weeks, 5 days, 20:16:36 ago)
[23:14:14] <Annemarie>	You can usurp after 8 weeks, I think?
[23:14:28] <Quentinv57>	Hello. I have a problem concerning the property cmnamespace in the command categorymember of the API.
[23:14:29] <Annemarie>	Are the W3C people really that thick? >_>
[23:14:47] <Quentinv57>	http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmprop=title&cmnamespace=1&cmtitle=Cat%C3%A9gorie:Physique&cmlimit=20 -> it will not return the categories on namespace 1, but all categories
[23:16:02] <Vyznev>	Quentinv57: someone disabled the cmnamespace parameter
[23:16:13] <Vyznev>	lemme dig up the bug number for you...
[23:17:03] <freneticgirl-rj>	good night, im having troubles trying to install pagesecurity extension could someone help or say some forum about this?
[23:17:09] <Quentinv57>	Vyznev: The problem is if I don't have this parameter, I must check all the category and select manually the namespace I want
[23:17:20] <Quentinv57>	It will be bad for the server
[23:17:38] *Vyznev 	nods
[23:17:52] <vvv>	What about introducing a closed bugzilla product for security concerns?
[23:17:53] <Quentinv57>	Vyznev: It's not possible to activate it or to do the request by an other way ?
[23:18:02] <Vyznev>	OTOH, apparently with the current DB schema it's bad anyway
[23:18:05] <Emufarmers>	vvv: you mean private?
[23:18:10] <vvv>	Yep
[23:19:22] <Quentinv57>	Vyznev: please
[23:19:37] <Vyznev>	Quentinv57: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640
[23:20:00] <AryehGregor>	Diplomacy at work!  http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Commit_access_requests&diff=0&oldid=270672
[23:20:11] <Emufarmers>	freneticgirl-rj: what's the problem?
[23:20:25] <AryehGregor>	Emufarmers, Annemarie: I use Aryeh Gregor on all the mailing lists, so they don't recognize "Simetrical".
[23:20:43] <AryehGregor>	I could change my mailing list name to "Aryeh Gregor (Simetrical)", I guess, but that's kind of weird.
[23:20:44] <Emufarmers>	Never thought I'd see a Jidanni diff in the same sentence as "diplomacy"
[23:20:48] <Annemarie>	Isn't the e-mail address Simetrical+wc3@gmail or something, though?
[23:20:49] <Quentinv57>	Vyznev: Status:  	RESOLVED -> sure ?
[23:20:53] <Emufarmers>	Isn't your email add
[23:20:56] <Emufarmers>	yeah, that
[23:21:09] <AryehGregor>	Yes, but who remembers weird e-mail addresses?
[23:21:38] <freneticgirl-rj>	i'm having one bug with my extension, pagesecurity, after configure all the things and the paths, when i run the mediawiki i got some problems with hooks
[23:21:57] *Annemarie 	shrugs. I assume all nicks on IRC are dogs.
[23:22:46] *vvv 	always signes his mails as --vvv, so everyone should probably recognize him
[23:22:52] <Emufarmers>	freneticgirl-rj: is there a reason you can't use a better-supported extension like Lockdown?
[23:23:16] <Emufarmers>	I only sometimes get weird looks when I tell people my email address
[23:23:18] <freneticgirl-rj>	hum.., i didnt saw that one
[23:23:32] <Emufarmers>	Usually I just have to repeat the s at the end
[23:23:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  (10majorly.wiki)
[23:24:24] <Annemarie>	Umm....
[23:24:52] <Quentinv57>	And do anybody know how to select only new users contributions for recent changes (with the API) ? Thank you :)
[23:24:57] <Vyznev>	Quentinv57: well, unless someone reverted r53304 without noting it in the commit, it _is_ resolved in trunk, _kind of_...
[23:26:14] <Quentinv57>	Vyznev: ok, thanks
[23:26:35] <Vyznev>	Quentinv57: anyway, is this your own wiki or a Wikimedia project?
[23:26:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  (10cbrown1023)
[23:27:09] <Vyznev>	because if it's your own, you _should_ be able to fix it by turning miser mode off, I think
[23:27:34] <Quentinv57>	Vyznev: it's fr.wikipedia.org
[23:30:15] <Vyznev>	anyway, depending on what you're doing, you might want to consider getting a toolserver account
[23:30:37] <Vyznev>	both of your requests are things that could be done with an SQL query on the toolserver
[23:35:57] <saper>	[[tswiki:Query service]]
[23:36:51] <saper>	Quentinv57: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Query_service
[23:39:29] <Quentinv57>	saper: you think I can ask for getting all categories classed ?
[23:41:26] <saper>	"classed" means?
[23:41:49] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Categorymembers namespace filtering is inefficient, uses ugly hack in miser mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19640  summary; +comment (10nospam)
[23:56:43] <TeamColtra>	Hey my mediawiki infobox template isn't showing up on my custom site. I even copied the css from wikipedia
[23:57:35] <TeamColtra>	I know there are a billion forum posts on it
[23:57:44] <TeamColtra>	but none of them seem to be working for me >.< 
[23:57:59] <saper>	copied all dependent templates?
[23:58:32] <TeamColtra>	Yes
[23:59:23] <AryehGregor>	Installed ParserFunctions?