[00:00:59] I'm looking for a way to add new user accounts to a particular group by default [00:01:15] it's going to be a temporary thing, so hack jobs are fine [00:03:54] p838snake: bot has nothing to do with bounces [00:04:24] I know I can probably use $wgAutoPromote, I just don't know what incantation to use with it [00:05:15] Why don't you just assign the relevant rights directly to the users group? [00:05:55] whatever [00:05:57] me sleep [00:06:02] *domas no fight with mailman [00:06:24] AryehGregor: We've got a wiki with lots of different groups and are enrolling at different times [00:06:39] that would work if we only had one users group, but we're going to have about three dozen [00:07:02] I don't fully understand your requirements. But I don't really know how autopromotion works anyway. [00:07:15] it may work eventually [00:08:27] AryehGregor: Sorry, I'm probably not explaining very well. I want every user account created in the next week to be added to group X. And every account created the following week added to group Y, etc [00:08:43] I don't think autopromote supports that cleanly. [00:08:48] It's a fairly odd requirement. [00:08:58] Why do you want to do this? [00:08:59] It is that's why I'm looking for hack solutions :) [00:09:17] Note that MediaWiki isn't designed for large numbers of usergroups, you might run into some UI problems if you have 100 or whatever. [00:09:25] It's a school thing with different classes. Each class has their own read/edit permissions on different namespaces [00:09:26] (and possibly some performance problems) [00:09:40] yeah, I'm prepared for some problems [00:09:43] per-namespace read? [00:09:49] !worstcase [00:09:49] --mwbot-- Generally, the worst that can happen is that someone compromises your site, steals your data, deletes it and replaces it with kiddy porn. Then they start a spam service on your server advertizing the kiddy porn to twenty million email addresses, daily. Then your home gets raided, you get fired and your wife leaves you. [00:10:04] So it's like people sign up for a week, then the class starts with everyone who signed up that week, and registration for the next class begins? [00:10:14] splarka: yes, I know it's not ideal. But some of our classes have very young children and there's going to be personal information, so people want the option to restrict reads [00:10:22] or, at least make reading a little more difficult [00:10:32] AryehGregor: exactly [00:10:43] *Splarka would suggest a separate wiki for each class, and one shared [00:10:49] Hmm. You could just run a script to promote them. [00:11:03] so can ayone help me ? (Question was: How do i include file in the LocalSettings.php, with it own settings?) [00:11:30] AryehGregor: yeah, I was thinking about that too [00:11:39] Okay, I'll play around. Thanks for the help! [00:12:15] WaterRatj, just use PHP's include functions. Like require_once( 'name_of_my_file.php' ); [00:12:42] yeah but do i have in the new php file a ending ?> or not and stating You need a starting ?> is always unnecessary. [00:13:04] (unless you want to echo a bunch of HTML) [00:13:17] k tnx [00:14:01] Wateraj: I see what you're asking - give me a sec to cut and paste some stuff. [00:15:19] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20455 <-"If they click it, a link leading to the current page is an utter waste of users' time. " [00:15:31] except on a wiki, which is chock full of dynamic content >_< [00:16:07] are these guidelines from 1996? [00:16:21] I use that link all the time. [00:16:30] And so do web spiders/bots. [00:17:06] wow, if GreenReaper is in favor of keeping a feature rather than removing it for 1 byte gzip savings, it must be good! [00:17:39] It could of course be optimized. [00:18:24] but hey, accesskey-r is better than ctrl-r, reloads just the html rather than must-revalidate hits on all the css/js [00:18:46] er, HEAD hits [00:28:41] gnight [00:33:24] <^demon> If you've got a title, what function returns the full "Namespace:Page" name? [00:34:22] Splarka: jdanni bug? [00:34:42] <^demon> Ooh ooh where? [00:35:01] ^demon, getPrefixedText() is probably what you want. [00:35:29] getText() returns name without prefix. getDbKey() and getPrefixedDbKey() are the same, except with spaces converted to underscores. [00:35:54] <^demon> Ah ok. getPrefixedText() is what I want. Thanks. [00:35:57] oh its not =( but its linked to one [00:36:31] hello, I forgot a question :) [00:37:27] is it possible to have a revision di of a page at choice, like say {{REVISIONID:page}} ? or similar' like we do with {{NAMESPACE:page}} [00:37:38] I don't think so [00:37:39] . [00:37:50] uhm, :/ [00:38:03] how can I know the revid of a certain page? [00:38:25] By looking at the URLs generated in the history page? [00:39:25] AryehGregor thx for reply, I mean in a template [00:39:33] I doubt you can, as I said. [00:39:40] Not sure what was unclear about my initial response. [00:39:43] ok thx then :) [00:40:11] well maybe my question seemed too strict on the how, I was open to suggestions :) [00:40:22] many thx anyway :) [00:40:34] <^demon> AryehGregor: I'm taking a stab at the "Sidebar not checked for existence" bug. [00:40:59] gotta sleep, thx again gnight [00:49:55] <^demon> AryehGregor: Anytime I try to clean up Monobook I spend about 5 minutes trying and I give up. [00:50:25] ^demon, I have a grand plot that five years from now, when we don't have to worry about IE6 anymore, I'll swoop in and rewrite all skins to use a unified system with only one HTML output and everything done via CSS. [00:50:36] For the meantime, it would be nice if Monobook were less horrible, though. [00:51:05] <^demon> Is eliminating SkinTemplate part of this plan? [00:51:13] Purging it with fire. [00:51:24] <^demon> \o/ [00:51:51] I doubt I'll actually end up doing it, though. [00:51:56] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm - 14% of people still using IE6 :\ [00:52:01] Heaven only knows what I'll be doing when IE6 can finally be ignored. [00:53:02] <^demon> I wonder if we can find a shorter-term goal that's completely tangible to shoot for :) [00:54:01] Just kill SkinTemplate and unify as much of Monobook, Modern, and Vector as possible. [00:54:13] <^demon> And the others? [00:54:22] Harder problem. [00:54:35] I know for a fact that Modern can easily use Monobook's HTML, because I did it myself and got it just about pixel-perfect, in like an hour. [00:54:45] I just didn't do the IE hacks. [00:54:48] So I couldn't commit it. [00:55:20] Vector probably only needs minor adjustments. [00:55:45] Non-Monobook skins really do output a lot of stuff totally differently, so they're much harder to port to the same HTML. [00:55:46] <^demon> Making the files readable would be nice. [00:55:54] Yes, that would definitely be great. [00:56:04] I think I did it before I had commit access. [00:56:07] <^demon> It messes with my syntax highlighting :P [00:56:09] Of course, no one was willing to commit it. :P [00:56:17] What editor do you use? [00:56:22] It highlights just fine in vim. [00:56:38] <^demon> For quick editing, there's this lightweight thing I use called Intype. [00:57:06] vim is lightweight! [00:57:27] *^demon is on his work laptop :) [00:57:38] That's no excuse. [00:57:52] If my local computer doesn't have suitable vim installed, I just SSH to my home computer. [00:58:03] Unless I'm on Windows with no SSH client. But some things you can't help. [00:58:08] *^demon uses vi extensively on his Unix boxes at work [00:58:26] AryehGregor: PuTTY is a good SSH client for windows [00:58:39] Yes, I used to use it before I saw the light and moved to a real operating system. :P [00:58:46] *^demon uses PuTTY. Cap1 standard is FSecure, but I don't like it. [00:58:46] I downloaded my wiki and saved as a local html offline copy, is there a way to automatize the process of converint all that to plain text and uploading to wikia? [00:59:06] <^demon> Probably not, no. [00:59:14] <^demon> You should ask Wikia support :) [00:59:31] eww wikia [00:59:53] needs more YUI [00:59:56] ha [01:00:06] <^demon> AryehGregor: See, this is what pisses me off. The only difference between the Toolbox in Modern and Monobook is like 2 comments and one real line. [01:00:08] could be worse, they used to use scriptalicious [01:00:14] actually, no... nothing needs more YUI [01:00:20] ^demon, exactly. [01:00:48] With a macro script I was able to rename all html pages to the pagenames that I want [01:00:49] Splarka: yet they still use EasyTemplate [01:00:54] I made my objections to its forkiness known vociferously to flyingparchment when he made it, but he declined to fix it. [01:01:03] when a templating system is already present in core [01:01:14] problem is to remove all extra html from the pages, leaving just the text [01:01:24] Skizzerz, what templating system? [01:01:54] webchatuser: instead of downloading the HTML, get an XML dump of it via a maintenance script or Special:Export. This will let you import it into Wikia much more easily [01:02:01] AryehGregor: QuickTemplate [01:02:11] QuickTemplate also needs to be burned with fire. [01:02:21] yet it is in core [01:02:23] xml dump [01:02:27] and wikia's wikia-specific one isn't [01:02:58] It shouldn't be in core, it should be consigned to the depths of purgatory. [01:03:01] *Splarka wonders if Simetrical is pondering a career in a crematorium [01:03:39] No, cremation is against Jewish law. It's considered disrespectful to the dead. I'm not sure if it would be permissible to be involved in the cremation even of non-Jews. [01:04:26] <^demon> AryehGregor: QuickTemplate needs to go away, agreed. [01:04:39] unfortunately the wiki farm offers just plain text backup [01:04:44] s/needs to go away/needs to be replaced with something better/ [01:04:54] ^demon: {{sofixit}} [01:07:25] <^demon> CIA and wikibugs would be nice. [01:08:15] *MrZ-man kicks CIA-70 [01:08:15] ow [01:08:56] My grandfather wanted to be cremated. So that's what he got. I think the rabbi was displeased and everybody in our family was confused. [01:09:38] It's totally prohibited by Judaism AFAIK. [01:09:59] *^demon wouldn't know [01:10:00] Well, so are tattoos. [01:10:04] Yes, definitely. [01:10:18] And any piercing that's not in the ear, I think [01:10:26] ehm, so my objection to organized religion is taking something on faith with no proof in general, and this can apply to science [01:10:33] <^demon> Emufarmers: Does the tragus count? [01:10:38] No, that's not a problem that I know of. It's probably frowned upon, though. [01:10:40] Just socially. [01:10:53] Splarka, prove that murder is wrong. [01:10:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremation#Judaism [01:10:59] "pork is bad" "why?" "because everyone who eats it dies of triganosis" "fair enough, pork is bad!" [01:11:04] 5000 years later... [01:11:11] trichinosis? [01:11:11] "pork is bad" "why?" "it is written thus" "er, okay" [01:11:17] whatever [01:11:26] *^demon grabs some popcorn [01:11:35] It's really unlikely that the Jewish dietary laws were ever grounded in practical concerns, even if you think the whole thing is hogwash. [01:11:36] http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5917/grammartimegi7.jpg [01:11:47] I don't think it is hogwash [01:11:56] though washing hogs would make them less unsanitary [01:12:03] It's not just pigs, though. [01:12:12] It's any animal that either doesn't have split hooves, or doesn't chew its cud. [01:12:19] <^demon> Or shellfish. [01:12:19] also I was referring to muslim dietary law [01:12:22] Including camels and rabbits, for instance. [01:12:23] unless there are any here [01:12:29] in which case I am referring to 7th day adventist [01:12:39] so there ^_^ [01:13:06] <^demon> AryehGregor: What about venison? [01:13:21] ^demon: no comments allowed from peanut gallery [01:13:27] *Splarka confiscates ^demon's popcorn [01:13:30] ^demon, I was referring only to animals, like mammal-y sorts of things. There are separate standards for birds (enumerated list), fish (must have fins and scales), and insects (only certain types of grasshoppers). Everything else is prohibited (except plants, those are always okay). [01:13:31] *^demon thought this was a comedy club [01:13:45] locust mmm [01:13:48] ^demon, deer chew their cud and have split hooves, so they're fine. They have to be slaughtered, though, not shot or anything. [01:13:52] except nobody knows what species [01:13:57] <^demon> Hmm I see. [01:14:03] Splarka, some Sephardic Jews do. [01:14:14] <^demon> AryehGregor: What about fungi? [01:14:15] A Yemenite Jew in my synagogue ate grasshoppers growing up. [01:14:22] ^demon, they're considered plants. [01:14:28] <^demon> Ah fair enough [01:14:32] they're closer to animals, genetically [01:14:38] Tell it to the rabbis. [01:14:54] [01:14:55] A more interesting question is microorganisms. It's generally accepted that you can ignore them if they're not visible to the naked eye, but what exactly qualifies? [01:14:55] tell it to the OJ jury [01:15:27] Well, so single-celled organisms are probably all fine. But some of the smaller bugs can be troublesome. [01:15:38] Does it count if they're only visible to the naked eye under high contrast? [01:15:44] <^demon> r55705 demon (/trunk/phase3/skins/Modern.php) Minor spacing tweaks, etc to make it even more like Monobook. Further proving that there is Entirely Too Much Duplication Here! [01:16:00] What if you can only see them as a speck, and the only way you can tell they're even alive is that they move? [01:16:06] you can see single cells of some organisms, like onions (though they aren't sco themselves) [01:16:08] I tend to think Judaism opts for doing what is reasonable in those cases; Jewish laws have never been about doing ridiculous things to fulfil the letter of the law. [01:16:15] though the SCO is run by scos [01:16:44] Emufarmers, a lot of Orthodox Jews tend to err on the side of stringency if it's at all sane. [01:17:05] Sure, but if it's going to involve carrying an electron microscope around with you, that's not sane [01:17:10] For instance, like all the religious Jews in New York now use particle filters for their tap water. [01:17:11] Especially if it's the sabbath! [01:17:27] *^demon uses Brita [01:17:31] Because of some bugs that were found somewhere and might or might not qualify as kosher and/or be present in your water. [01:17:44] Emufarmers, no, of course, you rely on presumptions all the time. You don't have to directly verify anything. [01:17:45] ^demon: it just has missed 55704 and 55705, it has been a very slow commit day otherwise [01:17:54] [22:57:51] 03nephele * r55703 10/trunk/extensions/Icon/Icon.php: Updating extension setup for Icon so it doesn't trigger l10n_cache errors on MW update [01:18:06] <^demon> Splarka: Yeah I noticed. [01:18:16] If you buy some meat from the kosher butcher, you haven't directly checked that it's kosher. [01:18:24] You can't, at that point, it's impossible. [01:18:50] <^demon> Unless you're prepared to grow/raise your own food, it's not realisticly possible, right. [01:18:50] Well, I was thinking also in terms of prizing human life above laws. [01:18:57] how do I remove the /index.php/ from the URL ? I have indexes set to index.php already, do I have to use mod_rewrite, or is there an option I can enable to hide the index.php ? [01:19:06] !shorturl | Samus [01:19:06] --mwbot-- Samus: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [01:19:08] mmm, can I ask a possibly slightly personal question, Simetrical? [01:19:32] Emufarmers, well, that's just another law. Human life ranks above everything except murder, idolatry, and certain sexual sins. And maybe resisting oppressors. [01:19:42] Skizzerz: would converting html to xml help? [01:19:42] Splarka, you can *ask*. I may or may not answer. [01:19:51] webchatuser: no [01:19:57] in fact, it would make things worse [01:20:19] Is that explicitly stated as a law? I always assumed it was more of an assumed principle. [01:20:58] why do you, personally that is, follow what, to most outsiders, seems a slightly odd set of superstitious beliefs, some of which make some sense, some of which make sense to a much earlier timeperiod in the history of civilization but had some adaption decay, and some that make none? [01:21:13] Emufarmers, no, definitely an explicit law. It's derived from the phrase "וחי בהם", "and live by them [the commandments]" -- live by them, don't die for them. [01:22:24] Splarka, do you want to know the external circumstances that, practically speaking, resulted in my believing these things, as a matter of cause and effect? Or do you want some kind of explanation that would make sense to you, like a train of logic? [01:23:34] well, that question sort of answers my question, actually [01:23:41] just follow the rule of treating others how you want to be treated, and all's well. the problem is life is designed to be greedy and power-hungry, for survival's sake [01:23:43] Really? How? [01:23:46] Well, I guess I see how. [01:24:42] but some slightly related observation, is that I've noticed fandoms and sciences turning into what highly resemble some religions (especially Christianity) [01:25:02] To some extent. I'd be wary of overstating the similarities. [01:25:03] like "Kirk > Picard" "why?" "because everyone thinks so" [01:25:17] Well, that's just dogma-based reasoning. Religion is more than that. [01:25:20] and of course, Scientology that was a Hubbard fandom [01:25:26] Environmentalism, for instance, that bears more hallmarks of real religion. [01:25:36] ugh [01:25:44] "Windmills are clean!" "but they kill birds!" [01:25:47] It has the moralizing character, the idea of a sort of sin that's wrong per se with no further justification needed. [01:25:51] *Splarka stabs greenpeace [01:26:06] A definite ideological good-and-evil worldview. [01:26:17] And a lot of emphasis on symbolic stuff that doesn't actually do anything. [01:26:18] To continue along the lines of Splarka's question, I wouldn't have thought you'd be content to let your beliefs be dictated by external circumstances (to the extent that rational examination can be distinguished from existing conditions). [01:26:21] heh, Space Whale Aesop [01:26:45] Emufarmers, everyone's beliefs are determined by external circumstances. Would your beliefs be remotely similar to what they are if you were brought up in 16th century Persia as a slave boy, say? [01:27:13] That's what my parenthetical note was referring to. :) [01:27:19] <^demon> Of course not. A good part of your personality is based on the environment in which you live in. [01:27:23] Emufarmers: the thing is, I know spiritual people who are very intelligent, and I've heard their rationalizations, and I do believe they believe and that it benefits them personally [01:27:39] Splarka, have you also heard the rationalizations of secular humanists for their beliefs? [01:27:41] AryehGregor: that page is a nice example of utterly confusing and unhelpful documentation. :/ [01:27:55] I was more curious if it was more a respect for tradition or family custom, lip-service so to speak, that type of religious devotion depresses me [01:27:57] Samus, okay. What web server are you using, and do you have root access? [01:28:23] Splarka, I don't do lip service. I don't have any reason for it that I think would be convincing to anyone else, though. [01:28:29] *Splarka nods [01:28:38] was trying to ask that without being too tactless [01:28:47] <^demon> Splarka: I pay lip service when I visit my grandmother. [01:28:59] AryehGregor: Apache and yes. I see the mod_rewrite code, but it's along with text saying the world will end if I use it ... [01:29:13] Samus, if you have root access, use the alias method, which is what Wikimedia uses. [01:29:18] I think that's prominently featured somewhere? [01:29:34] ^demon: christian? [01:29:41] oh btw: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceWhaleAesop [01:29:46] Samus, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Recommended_how-to_guide_.28setup_used_on_Wikipedia.29 [01:29:46] <^demon> Splarka: Southern Baptist, to be specific. [01:29:58] don't kill humpback whales or a giant floating tinker toy will kill all life on earth in 400 years [01:30:26] AryehGregor: I have sub.domain.com and want to remove both the /wiki/ and index.php from the URL. I removed the /wiki/ by moving the files up a directory and chanding the LocalSettings.php [01:30:36] ^demon|afk: I do the same thing to my grandmother when she talks about a TV show she likes [01:30:43] nod and say "yes yes, I watch it sometimes" [01:30:44] Samus, removing /wiki/ is not recommended. [01:31:03] If you want to do it, I don't know how offhand, since I haven't. [01:31:18] AryehGregor: wiki.domain.com/wiki/ is ugly and stupid... [01:31:46] AryehGregor: but as I said, I removed the wiki fine, I just want to remove the index.php [01:31:48] You can do domain.com/wiki/, it's just as short. [01:31:57] Well, I suppose the same general techniques would work. [01:32:00] As I say, I haven't tried it. [01:32:13] AryehGregor: I'm not going to change how this organisation does their numerous web sites to please a backward piece of software... [01:32:22] "backward piece of software" heh [01:32:39] forcing users to have a sub-directory makes no sense when it's the only app on a domain [01:32:40] if you use a null article path and null script path, you won't get support every time you have a conflict [01:32:45] Well, you can be polite to its developers if you're asking for help. [01:32:54] It's perfectly possible to do, as I said. [01:33:11] unless you turn off capital links [01:33:19] I just don't know how to do it. It's not how Wikipedia does it, so it's not as well understood by the people in this room as the method I gave. [01:33:32] Splarka: I'm not sure what a null article path or null script path are [01:33:33] Splarka, README! [01:33:52] tl;dr [01:34:47] Splarka: is your keyboard alright ? [01:34:56] http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r17/cutlass421/tldr.jpg [01:35:24] well [01:35:30] at least I have all the filenames [01:35:32] Splarka: thanks for the help [01:35:46] Samus: on en.wp for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BlankPage [01:35:55] In MW 1.13 - outside a default install, is there some built-in blacklist pages I can use to block URLs ? Or do I need to turn on server-side variables? [01:36:00] <^demon> Splarka: Capital links has less to do with it. Main issues are with conflicts on other files in the top level (arguably a minor/non-issue for 99% of the world) and any place we're not doing paths the way we should. Ideally, it should be fine in the root. [01:36:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BlankPage [01:36:18] /wiki/ is the article path, and /w/ is the scriptpath [01:36:43] ^demon: with capital links off, though, you get actual unresolvable conflicts [01:36:45] ^demon, with capital links on, conflicts with lowercase file names are impossible. [01:36:53] eg, you can't have an article named [[index.php]] [01:36:59] If they're off, you just have to remove README and such. [01:37:02] you can solve that with clever rewrites with captial links on [01:37:13] <^demon> AryehGregor: Which is my point....0.1% of people won't have articles named that. [01:37:20] <^demon> 0.1% will. 99.9% wont [01:37:25] Named what? [01:37:30] <^demon> [[index.php]] [01:37:30] but the worst problem is 99% of users won't get it right the first time [01:37:31] index.php and robots.txt? [01:37:37] they'll come in "I can't access my api" "exempt it" [01:37:40] And w? [01:37:40] ^demon: that's a common spambot article [01:37:42] Or skins or whatever? [01:37:50] And who knows what else we add? [01:37:55] they'll come in "I can't access my favicon, robots.txt. I have an extension loading a file from /extensions/" "exempt it". [01:37:57] *^demon is just pointing out that it's not impossible [01:38:03] MediaWiki isn't prepared to deal with that. [01:38:11] and this is why most developers don't offers support for double-null [01:38:15] It will create the links and let you create the pages and then they'll spaz out on you. [01:38:29] except AryehGregor ^_^ [01:38:54] We could support a variable to ban certain page names, so that it would behave more gracefully and just reject the name as a valid title. [01:38:56] But nobody cares. :) [01:39:45] *^demon doesn't understand why r51204 added the $wgVariant global. Why not just handle it in the current user object. Plus it uses StubObject, which Tim points out is outdated. [01:40:01] the problem is, your rewrite rules have to be able to support potential paths [01:40:13] like if someone adds more files to /skins/common/images/ and you upgrade... [01:40:37] <- HATE [01:40:46] <^demon> Splarka: Have it ignore all the directories in rewrite. [01:40:49] Splarka: I just wrote myself a mod_rewrite and include the condition that the requested URL is not a real file or directory. none of the articles match any of the filenames (articles are multiple words with first letter capitalised) [01:41:11] <^demon> !^images, etc. [01:41:11] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "^images,". [01:41:33] Samua: so what happens if someone loads a [07:14:15] GreenReaper, that must burn your biscuits, needing to define that to keep wikibits from erroring, haha [07:14:21] Yeah, pretty much. [07:14:30] sofixit [07:14:35] nou [07:14:55] I might, but it's not a priority. [07:14:55] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19888 [07:16:43] Hmm. That says: [07:16:43] +if (typeof stylepath != 'undefined') var stylepath = ""; [07:16:50] shoudn't it be == ? [07:17:29] if you are checking to see if it hasn't been set [07:17:51] 03(mod) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [07:18:02] eh probably [07:18:06] I stopped caring about it [07:18:20] {{sofixit}} [07:18:27] DTTR. [07:18:34] noob. [07:18:34] could just be [07:18:46] var stylepath = stylepath || ""; [07:18:59] but too much abstraction makes code uneditable [07:19:19] Well, you could add a comment [07:19:25] and then it could be stripped out by minify. [07:19:36] Then everyone is happy. [07:19:40] only in your fantasy world [07:19:58] GreenReaper: I see the debug output in the page's source, but it doesn't appear to contain any error messages. [07:20:05] Hey, it's not my fault furries score higher for fantasy: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/News:Anthrocon_2009_psychological_survey_team_releases_preliminary_results [07:20:22] "minificution!" [07:20:27] It seems like my $wgHooks['UserLoadFromSession'][] hook is not being called [07:20:37] aeturnus: OK. You say the hooked functions aren't being called. Where are you setting that? [07:20:59] Is it outside of any function definitions? [07:21:38] no, that line is in a funciton that is called from my LocalSettings.php [07:22:38] i do a global $wgHooks before using it in that function though. [07:22:58] When are you expecting it to be called? [07:24:13] Honestly, I'm not really sure, I was just copy-pasting it from that page I linked [07:26:11] At a complete guess it will only do that if you are not logged in. [07:26:14] aw, crap. I can't find the sysop password. do I have to reset it throught the mysql cli? [07:26:17] *GreenReaper is unfortunately not familiar with session loading. [07:26:34] gamla_kossan: You can make a new sysop . . . [07:26:40] GreenReaper: yeah? [07:26:51] There's a maintenance script to make one [07:26:55] with the maintentance scripts? [07:26:55] ah [07:27:37] !passwordsql [07:27:37] --mwbot-- UPDATE user SET user_password=CONCAT(':A:', MD5('password')) WHERE user_name='John Smith'; This will reset the password for the user with user_name 'John Smith' to 'password'. [07:27:47] er, that might be out of date, meh [07:27:55] There's also a maintenance script to change a user's password. [07:27:59] hehe [07:28:00] and an extension [07:28:09] Emufarmers: oh, there is? [07:28:18] uh oh, hold on [07:28:23] I'm using the ldap extension [07:28:33] :-| [07:28:36] crap. that'll make things hairier, right? [07:28:36] GreenReaper: that sounds right, this code should be logging me in automatically based on my SSL certificate [07:28:38] well don't complain to us then [07:28:42] Splarka: =) [07:28:50] so my user isn't logged in, shouldn't it be firing? [07:29:08] Splarka: what do you mean, isn't this #mediawiki-whining? [07:29:11] =) [07:29:22] Splarka already registered that channel, I imagine [07:29:27] hehehe [07:29:37] He's the recognized group contact for the whiners organization [07:29:38] *Splarka starts blocking people on test.wikipedia who create vanity pages [07:29:52] It is odd. If you are calling SSLAuthSetup() and it is working then . . . hmm. [07:30:46] if I throw a print statement in SSLAuthSetup, it displays it, but i get nothing if i do the same in SSLAuthUserLoadFromSession [07:31:40] Might want to have these on temporarily as well, just to see if some call is failling: ini_set('display_errors', 1); and error_reporting(E_ALL); [07:32:21] My thought is but it shouldn't be if you're calling from within localsettings [07:32:29] *is that it's already figured out the hooks [07:32:41] You might try moving the SSL setup up a bit in that file.. [07:32:49] It *shouldn't * make a difference . . . [07:33:28] just to make sure: I can just put those error reporting functions in LocalSettings.php, right? [07:33:53] Is it getting to $wgAuth = new SSLAuthPlugin(); [07:33:54] ? [07:33:55] Yes [07:34:34] yes, it appears to [07:35:07] all that code was actually very near the top of my LocalSettings.php -- i moved it further down and got error messages [07:35:20] Interesting. [07:35:24] Perhaps there are errors. :-p [07:35:32] lol [07:35:39] *GreenReaper has had that happen. [07:35:45] Flaky trust plugin. [07:35:52] It messed up the hooks [07:35:59] failed to open SpecialUserlogin.php ? [07:36:06] That's a fun one. [07:37:08] Hmm, I think you might be able to do SSL cert auth with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication [07:37:13] I hate to leave you hanging, but I don't have any great ideas, and I really need sleep (it's 03:30 here). :-) [07:37:35] no worries, thanks again for the help! [07:37:51] Personally I would use a newer MediaWiki if possible. [07:37:55] Emufarmers: i'll check it out! thanks [07:38:03] It says 1.13.0 but you could probably be newer. [07:38:06] I just apt-get installed it [07:38:19] Silly Ubuntu, always behind [07:38:23] Then someone's repository is way out of date. [07:39:08] works :) [07:39:13] thanks again :) [07:39:33] Wohoo. [07:39:41] The LDAP auth extension works, or upgrading works? [07:39:44] *GreenSleeper hides under blankets until the morning invades. [07:39:45] just commenting out that require SpecialUserLogin.php seems to work :P [07:39:47] *Splarka goes passive agressive: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Magic_words#Invoking_tag_without_anonymous_parameter [07:40:30] the comment was: "magic that Shibboleth does" -- thought it was worth a try ignoring that, and it worked :) [07:40:37] thanks again! [07:43:15] uh. [07:43:45] can't I just temporarily disable the ldap auth, fix the sysop password, do my shit, and then enable the ldap auth again? [07:43:51] why yes, yes I can. [07:44:10] so - just a quick question: which maintenance script is it that I want? [07:52:42] changePassword.php [07:53:01] but that'll only work if the user data is actually stored in the MW database. [08:04:20] morning guys and pals [08:05:28] Hello, Nikerabbit. [08:07:00] *Splarka flips on the news, sees "Disney buys Marvel", flips off the news [08:07:19] *Splarka starts hollowing out a volcano and getting Giant Death Beam parts [08:08:33] Emufarmers: yeah, it worked [08:08:42] Splarka: =) [08:11:51] bah why must people post off topic comments in bugzilla threads >.< [08:12:30] ? [08:13:29] Either we are *heavily understaffed* or the bug fixing process is *totally [08:13:30] broken* (for a long time now already). [08:13:30] Sorry, I do not want to tread on anyone's toes; it's just the reality/truth! [08:13:45] in ref to getting shell requests done [08:18:23] 03(mod) Rename Wikipedia namespace in mhr wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20442 +shell (10raimond.spekking) [08:19:12] From the perspective of a person who feels like his request is being ignored, it probably doesn't seem off-topic. [08:20:41] 03(NEW) Grant "abusefilter-log-detail" to autoconfirmed user group on dewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20462 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (raimond.spekking) [08:33:03] did I fix the bot [08:33:05] or did someone else? [08:33:14] hi, i'm trying to clone wiktionary on some servers in offline schools [08:33:31] one challenge is to match the MediaWiki configuration so that it appears properly.. [08:34:25] the wiktionary.org wiki seems to render wikitext "" as pure unmodified HTML, but my default mediawiki install renders the 3rd tag as </span> [08:34:26] http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ [08:34:38] seems to be doing some kind of html validation [08:34:38] that's probably tidy [08:34:43] !tidy [08:34:43] --mwbot-- HTML Tidy is an external application that cleans up HTML for XHTML compliance (such as bad user input like

). Prior to the new preprocessor in 1.12 it was also needed for distributed, transcluded, or conditional HTML, or mixed HTML and wikitables, but newer versions allow it without Tidy. See [08:34:52] tidy is off [08:34:57]