[05:17:06] Splarka: i just want a way to do it for certain lists, not all the lists [05:17:11] then do the last example [05:17:19] it will work with wikicode lists, btw [05:17:52] oh ok - so its a bit triky but it can be done [05:18:02] why do we use roman letters but not roman numbers? [05:18:09] damn engrish [05:18:14] Barbarians [05:18:29] It's hard to do math with Roman numerals. [05:18:49] Ooh, GreenReaper would like it if we switched to Roman numerals: "X" saves you a byte over "10"! [05:18:51] and it's hard to spell with Roman ligatures [05:18:58] we should use arabic or something [05:19:14] Emufarmers: diminishing returns [05:19:20] no, all text should be in lowercase. [05:19:21] Isn't every letter a ligature in Arabic? [05:19:24] compresses better [05:19:33] MCMLXLVIII [05:19:59] Splarka: fine, it could check and only use Roman numerals when it would be shorter :D [05:20:31] o: [05:21:08] Hello, amidaniel. [05:21:43] hmm, I believe it was the Incans (or some other so-called "barbarian" South American tribe, who coincidentally were decreed thusly by Spanish moneygrubbers who desired their gold, HMMMMMMMMMM) who had no written numbering system, and would ship huge piles of strings with knots in them around for accounting purposes [05:22:08] ((even though they could melt platinum, something the white-man couldn't do until just 200 years ago) [05:22:18] Hi Emufarmers [05:22:21] I don't think the Spanish called people barbarians; "savages" was more their style, wasn't it? [05:22:33] amidaniel: did you get my email? [05:22:51] I believe so. [05:23:00] And yes, I know the server's having issues. [05:23:11] I'm rather lacking in free time to repair it though :) [05:23:37] Have you thought about importing it into WM SVN, then? [05:24:06] Yeah, that would be fine. [05:24:17] I have to fetch it from my svn first though :) [05:25:07] Will you GPL it? I don't rememeber seeing a license on it when I checked [05:25:57] It should be GPL [05:26:06] Unless I say otherwise, everything I write is GPL [05:26:17] Kay, cool. [05:27:28] Does the bot run live off SVN, or do you sync it? [05:27:52] wat, is ya gab about mwbot? [05:28:05] It's been a while, but I think I sync it [05:28:10] Multi-maintainer tool on the TS or something. [05:28:22] If you're on the toolserver, you can take a look at the JAR. I may have included source [05:28:30] can you merge the logs from OverlordQ and anyone else who might have run a bot during its missing times? [05:28:43] I *could* :) [05:29:05] also, can you, um... rather than hold a folder for each user and log for each day, have a single privmsg log? as is those logs are useless for finding specific changes [05:29:19] Splarka, stop stealing all my ideas ^__^ [05:29:30] Again, I *could* :) [05:29:41] fine fine, WILL you? under threat of waterboarding? [05:29:46] and I dunno if we need a central privmsg log; just a central bot message changes log [05:29:48] Hmm ... these may be good tasks for my programming class to do in lab next week :D [05:29:50] *Splarka hands Annemarie the black hood [05:30:14] and retroactively combine the scattered privmsg logs into dailies? heh [05:30:23] And a pony. [05:30:25] Didn't someone build an index of the logs at some point? [05:30:32] and then MZM can grep them and we can find all the freaks that sit there and talk to mwbot for no reason [05:30:34] Don't think so. [05:30:37] *Emufarmers points amidaniel to the topic. [05:30:46] *amidaniel reads [05:30:59] What am I reading? [05:31:10] Search the logs: http://is.gd/1BE0S [05:31:17] Which I assumed was what you were referring to [05:31:21] Ah, yes, that's just using grep though isn't it? [05:31:27] Yes. [05:31:31] A proper search would be nice. [05:31:31] I thought someone was actually properly indexing them [05:31:41] s/someone/you!/ [05:31:44] yes, you were [05:31:45] :D [05:31:52] *Annemarie hugs amidaniel. [05:32:09] Splarka: You're the bad cop. [05:32:33] *Splarka hugs amidaniel, inappropriately [05:32:51] hi Splarka rar [05:34:19] *Splarka hugs Nikerabbit inappropriately [05:37:24] why he got a comma, but I didn't [05:38:15] no hesitation [05:38:39] slightly difference in the intention, but basically the meaning [05:39:00] is the same [05:40:24] o.O [05:42:21] question, i dont have a mediawiki account.. and i want to make a proposal. will my ip address be shown publicaly [05:42:41] Yes. [05:47:39] besides registering is their a way around that? Annemarie [05:48:00] Proxy your connection. [05:48:25] Or proxy your edits. [05:48:41] so... use a proxy site? [05:48:51] If you're really that worried about it, yeah, I guess. [05:49:00] Depending on the wiki, the proxies could be blocked, though. [05:49:05] *Annemarie shrugs. [05:49:12] hum [05:49:13] It usually takes like two seconds to register. [05:49:21] Username, password, password, done. [05:49:39] ill just register [05:49:47] when im registered my ip is not shown correct? [05:50:28] depends [05:50:39] on? [05:50:45] if you start vandalizing and sockpuppeting, the wiki may decide a checkuser and IP/range ban is warranted [05:51:01] hu? [05:51:06] which may inadvertantly expose your IP [05:51:24] No muddying the waters. [05:52:21] i mean.. if im just making an proposal i should be ok right? [05:52:32] needhelp1: you've really never registered on a WMF project? [05:52:53] nope [05:53:10] ive never registered [05:53:41] why do you ask Emufarmers? [05:53:47] Just surprised [05:53:52] You registered on freenode, after all :D [05:54:12] the only reason i register is to mask my identity ... [05:54:30] ive been hoping freenode would mask ip addresses from public view for years [05:54:38] As good a reason on wikis as it is on IRC [05:54:38] you registered as needhelp1? hahaha [05:54:54] TimStarling: oops, sorry for the delay. I have a question about some code you committed. In Parser::__destruct(), is there any reason to call $this->mLinkHolders->__destruct() instead of just unsetting it and let PHP handle the rest? [05:54:54] You've never edited Wikipedia, then? [05:56:00] ive just had so many nicks.. its hard to keep up.. really to be honest i strongly dislike registering for anything anymore because i have like 200 accounts.. with all those Username and pwds is hard to keep up. and well.. im not 100 percent sold on the security of OpenID.. but i do hope to use it someday [05:56:26] Emufarmers: not from my personal computing locations.. from public locations i have "that way im using their ip address" [05:56:49] Ooh, mysterious [05:57:01] im sure you can all relate to having to many Usernames and pwds [05:57:10] or maybe im just weird [05:57:42] Nope: I use this username just about everywhere (not necessarily the same password, of course) [05:57:53] interesting ... [05:58:23] i guess i use so many diff usernames for.. anonymity reasons. I strongly believe in anonymity [05:59:07] do you have blogs dissing New York models? [05:59:13] heh [05:59:22] Splarka: i dont follow [05:59:31] juliano: I don't know, it was a while ago [05:59:59] needhelp1: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=google+blogger+identity+skank [06:00:01] but no i dont have blogs dissing new york models [06:00:28] blogger calls model a skank, model sues google for identity of blogger, model wins [06:00:48] juliano: if PHP could handle it, there would be no point in having that __destruct function [06:00:55] crazy.. [06:00:57] since PHP unsets all the variables automatically [06:01:21] win = model is now in the top 10 searches for "skank", so, fail [06:01:22] i mean.. most large employers now research a new hires online identitys now.. id hate to post something that henders my ability in the future to get a job [06:01:31] so it looks to me like the __destruct() calls are the only useful thing that function does [06:01:43] Hi, Can someone point me to a good resource on mediawiki skins/themes [06:01:56] TimStarling: This causes some problems if you clone $wgParser to preserve its state... both copies share the same LinkHolders object... when the copy gets deleted, it blanks the LinkHolders object that was shared with the original [06:02:06] yeah, you beat me to it [06:02:07] they search your myspace/facebook ect ect... google your email address.. find your blogs and accounts on other forums [06:02:10] !skins | Rk [06:02:10] --mwbot-- Rk: Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: [06:02:12] read your posts ect ect [06:02:27] I was just starting to type "if the problem is that you're cloning the parser halfway through a parse, then you should stop it" [06:02:37] at least call clearState() on it [06:02:47] needhelp1: so...they'd learn you like MediaWiki? [06:03:03] mwbot: Thanks!! [06:03:06] You're all about anonymity and you don't proxy? [06:03:08] Weird. [06:03:21] TimStarling: Yup! I spend 2 hours smashing my head agains the keyboard in order to understand why it was failing... until I reached this code [06:03:24] i dont go that far.. i have used like TOR and onion routing in the past [06:03:24] Aww, even mwbot gets more thank-yous than I do, Splarka. :( [06:03:40] *Splarka remembers Essjay bragging about how anonymous he was, heh [06:03:49] why were you cloning it in the first place? is there some documentation I need to fix? [06:04:03] TimStarling: I was wondering if it really had some meaning hidden somewhere in that code, or if it was really a bug [06:04:23] so much for freedom of speech "in reference to the skank thing" [06:04:46] it's not just __destruct(), there are lots of bugs if you clone the parser without clearing its state [06:04:49] TimStarling: Special page transclusion... I need to parse a few wikitexts... and wfMsgWikiHtml() (among others) reset the parser state [06:04:50] you just haven't seen them yet [06:05:26] try recursiveTagParse() [06:05:33] Frankly, tying my real life identity to my online identity is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned. I've already gotten an email from a recruiter. Sure, my future employers will be able to see that I played Neopets at one point, but in the future, everybody will have so much dirt available on them that it won't matter anymore. [06:06:03] if you come back in through Parser::parse() it should work, have you tried that? [06:06:18] as long as $clearState=true [06:06:36] TimStarling: the problem with wfMsgWikiHtml() is that there is no choice [06:06:49] it calls $wgOut->parse, which has $clearState=true [06:07:03] then the page is broken, lots of UNIQ--- strings and so [06:07:08] well, fix that then [06:07:21] it should unlink the references when clearState() is called [06:07:24] so to re-clarify as long as i register my account on MW my ip will be hidden/masked .. as long as i dont cause problems and spam ? [06:07:49] in fact it does [06:07:51] but unlinking the references is the problem [06:07:58] $this->mLinkHolders = new LinkHolderArray( $this ); [06:07:59] needhelp1: yes, and you can use the same account for all WMF wikis [06:08:48] oh right, you're talking about a different bug now then [06:09:07] you're talking about re-entering the parser with no cloning involved [06:09:11] that's not allowed either [06:09:15] Special page transclusion... "wikitext {{Special:something}} more wikitext" [06:09:27] just don't use wfMsgWikiHtml() or anything similar [06:09:37] if I clear state in the special page, the first part of the wikitext gets broken [06:10:50] There are few options... wfMsgExt(... 'parse'...) also clears parser state [06:10:54] if the special page can't deal with avoiding calling certain methods on $wgParser, it should disallow inclusion [06:11:27] Heh... but that is the purpose of the special page... :-P [06:11:51] it is intended to be included, but also needs to transform wikitext to html [06:11:51] quick question that may turn into more questions: is it possible to have / embed a youtube video on a wiki page? [06:11:58] Yes. [06:12:07] thanks :) [06:12:25] (through the inflexible wfMsg functions that always clear parser state) [06:12:39] first use wfMsgNoTrans() to get the message text [06:12:57] then if you're in including mode, use $wgParser->recursiveTagParse() to convert to HTML [06:13:03] otherwise, use $wgParser->parse() [06:13:54] wfMsgWikiHtml() might be inflexible, but it's like two lines of code [06:14:07] and one of them is right and one wrong [06:14:12] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16129 [06:14:12] TimStarling: hmm... ok [06:14:56] ^ is the best solution to that to make Newpages untranscludable? (intranscludable?) [06:15:29] non-transcludable [06:17:16] that's boring [06:17:59] no, the best solution is to do what I just said [06:18:14] the second best is to disabled transclusion [06:18:28] the third best is to hack around with the parser for a week and get totally frustrated and quit [06:18:42] i think the third one is what juliano was trying [06:19:28] is it possible to put ads on a wiki? like adsense ads? [06:19:36] Luminette: yes. [06:19:50] no. no one has ever figured out how to put adverts on a wiki. [06:19:51] would it be possible to make it so /those/ can't be edited out but the rest of the page is still open to being edited? [06:19:55] i think Knuth is working on it. [06:20:10] Luminette: yes. [06:20:47] cool :) thanks [06:21:17] do you live on an emu farm? [06:21:29] Nope [06:22:27] without having shell access.. can a admin update a MW site? [06:22:35] Yes [06:22:49] needhelp1: copy the files and rerun the installer [06:22:51] how? the upgrade instructions all point to running scripts from shell [06:22:57] it's documented in the manual, somewhere [06:23:21] It's on Manual:Upgrade right below the proper way [06:23:33] Anyone with pywikipediabot willing to run a mirror bot for me ? Not getting an answer in #pywikipediabot is all [06:24:14] Just by the time I get it installed / configured / test to make sure bot works and some dry runs on a few pages... Someone here could do it for me :) [06:24:26] What're you mirroring? [06:24:33] Public Domain Help Pages [06:24:43] Just import them [06:24:56] Following this advice: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:PD_help [06:25:03] as it picks up templates associated etc. [06:25:18] Hm [06:25:21] the last time i install MW.. it timed out on the install script where it makes the admin user.. is their a way i can .. not have this happen again [06:25:23] if i reinstall [06:25:30] We really need bundling :-( [06:25:35] needhelp1: it won't create a new user during an upgrade [06:25:44] fresh install [06:26:02] sense i dont have command line access.. i cant run the script to create the admin user [06:26:29] Daworm: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:PD_help/Copying [06:27:23] needhelp1: you can do it in phpMyAdmin: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#Initial_user_was_not_created_by_installer [06:34:21] 03tstarling * r55745 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DjVuImage.php: Revert r52158 per CR: was attempting to convert text to UTF-8 that was already UTF-8, this would have resulted in mojibake. [06:35:43] 03(mod) Variable "accountname" (on account creation) does not work if account is automatically created (CentralAuth/SUL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20272 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [06:46:51] Ta muchly Emufarmers [06:48:03] TimStarling: Thanks! Your instructions helped a lot. I'm now set for some refactoring. [06:55:51] I tried using the youtube embed syntax for a w/iki, this exact line "{video:youtube|tpR_6y-OoRc}" and it doesn't work \= anyone know why? [06:56:08] there is no youtube embed syntax for mediawiki [06:56:16] unless you use an extension taht provides it [06:56:27] ahh [06:56:30] have a recommendation? [06:56:45] no, it's not something i've ever needed [06:57:13] http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amediawiki.org+youtube [07:00:59] Luminette: get "Widgets" Extension [07:01:18] allows more than just youtube [07:01:31] Allows all other vid sites + other features. IE: twitter feeds etc. [07:02:13] yes, because overkill is good, everyone needs DPL too >_< [07:03:21] http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Extension:ParserFunctions&diff=274002&oldid=268399 [07:09:06] Splarka: I dun get it. [07:11:35] that link was unrelated, just a WTF for the peanut gallery [07:12:22] mmkay [07:12:34] also how is widgets overkill? Is it DPL reliant ? [07:12:39] *Daworm hasn't looked at it indepth, just what it offers [07:13:21] DPL has sort of become the poster child for "everything and the kitchen sink," I believe [07:13:40] The forked version, that is [07:14:00] If widgets needs DPL - then I'll not get it installed and look for an alternative solution [07:14:49] It doesn't; he was saying "well, Widgets is such overkill you might as well throw in DPL while you're at it!" [07:14:56] *Emufarmers speaks Splarkese [07:14:59] ah ok [07:15:05] damn you Splarka. Confuslling me! [07:15:33] penguin shell [07:19:52] 03tstarling * r55746 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Setup.php Skin.php StubObject.php): Fixes for r51204: removed useless $wgVariant and StubUserVariant. In Skin::makeGlobalVariablesScript(), use $wgContLang->getPreferredVariant() instead, which is the variant used in the relevant server-side code. [07:35:10] diff that sucks: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Project:News&diff=1468427&oldid=1468115&curid=102491 [07:40:36] Nikerabbit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff ? [07:41:02] 03siebrand * r55747 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [07:41:02] * follow-up to r55739: remove the messages added to OptInLink.i18n.php from OptIn.i18n.php [07:41:02] * add new messages file to Translate and meta message groups for usability initiative and WMF extensions [07:41:02] * svn:eol-style where missing [07:48:09] 03tstarling * r55748 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/shared.css: Use transparent instead of inherit, for compatibility with IE, as suggested by Simetrical on CR r52669. [07:49:27] Emufarmers: gadget isn't a proper fix for core bug [07:50:11] No, of course not, but it helps _you_ :) [07:53:06] Emufarmers: no it doesn't, we don't have that gadget :o [07:53:17] Well, you could add it o: [07:53:38] Also, it's just a script, I think, not a gadget [07:53:59] isn't that all gadgets are? [07:55:28] so, some gadgets are CSS [07:55:42] the answer then would be: no ^_^ [07:57:58] i am getting a lot more spammers signing up on my wiki in recent times. i wonder if the captcha has been cracked [07:58:17] http://decaptcher.com/ [07:59:01] ah ok service based .. hw lovely [07:59:30] CAPTCHAs are dead. Long live CAPTCHAs. [08:06:02] 03tstarling * r55749 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiFormatXml.php: Fix for r53194: according to the XSLT 1.0 spec, the MIME type should be text/xml or application/xml. In XSLT 2.0, it is application/xslt+xml. Either way, text/xsl is wrong. [08:51:34] Hello. [08:51:55] Is there some sort of admin panel, where I can see users, activity and so on of my mediawiki installation? [08:53:25] There is not "admin panel"... There is Special:Statistics and Special:RecentChanges, but MW wasn't designed for much more [08:58:12] PupenoG: [[Special:Listusers]], [[Special:Statistics]] and more can be found at [[Special:SpecialPages]] [09:35:04] 03(mod) Error: 1146 Table 'testwiki.l10n_cache' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20471 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [10:07:47] 03(NEW) AbuseFilter: disable "add at cursor" selection box when user can't edit filters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20472 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (matthew.britton) [10:17:23] TimStarling ? [10:17:50] concerning djvutxt and utf8, the problem is that the output of djvutxt contains some non-ascii characters that are not accepted by the xml parser. [10:18:00] I do not know what would be the correct way to fix it. [10:18:19] are those characters in utf8? [10:18:44] they are supposed to [10:19:17] I do not know if \234 in a string is valid utf8 [10:19:41] not alone [10:19:50] yes, tha's what I thought [10:19:52] but it can appear if followed by the proper bytes [10:19:59] but in our case it is alone [10:21:17] on which file does it happen? [10:22:09] Platonides: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/52158#code-comments [10:22:25] it is text output by djvutxt [10:22:50] 03(mod) Error: 1146 Table 'testwiki.l10n_cache' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20471 (10g.m.hagedorn) [10:23:06] so it should be utf8, according to the man page cited by brion [10:23:34] btw, bugzilla is very slow [10:33:11] maybe it's an interaction between ob_get_contents and utf8 [10:44:01] what is this? Pagenames with acents link like this: Página -> P%C3%A1gina [10:44:09] URL encoding [10:44:32] what is %C3% ? [10:44:48] the UTF-8 encoding for á is 0xC3A1 [10:44:55] %C3%A1 is how that is encoded in a URL [10:45:07] your browser may be smart [10:45:09] and show utf8 chars [10:45:12] instead of hex values [10:45:12] ;-) [10:46:12] 03jojo * r55750 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (4 files in 2 dirs): use fancy buttons on start book mode page [10:46:32] 03jojo * r55751 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: addInlineStyle() not available in older MediaWikis [10:46:39] 03jojo * r55752 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (5 files in 2 dirs): improve buttons: make them more scalable with less HTML elements [10:46:52] 03jojo * r55753 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: enlarge clickable area for buttons [10:47:57] haha, xkcd, alt text === true [10:48:40] <\n> Hey guys, a quick but possibly strange question; is there any character that cannot be the first character in a MW page? (Or cannot be in a page at all?) [10:49:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(technical_restrictions) [10:49:25] or do you mean page contents? [10:49:32] <\n> Splarka: Page contents [10:49:51] a linefeed will get eaten by mozilla-derived browsers each time the form is generated and subsequently saved [10:50:09] that is because they treat

foo and <textarea>\nfoo as equivalent
[10:50:18] <webchatuser>	Found a text replacer that replaces based on a simpel rule "text begins at" "text ends at", easier than hard to read regex
[10:50:43] <\n>	Splarka: Anything that would be removed by mediawiki itself before added the new text to the database?
[10:50:46] <Nikerabbit>	hi Splarka rar
[10:50:54] <Splarka>	and any illegal UTF-8 character (if you have that as your encoding), maybe?
[10:51:31] <\n>	Hmm
[10:51:52] <webchatuser>	now I need to add xml markups to all formatted htmls
[10:52:00] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Description
[10:52:47] <SpecialExport>	im having troube with Special:Export
[10:53:56] <\n>	Splarka: See I have a C++ function that returns a page's contents (as served by the API). Because of the absolute awesomeness of C++, I seem to be limited to returning a string, so when the page does not exist, I return "NOPAGE". The problem is that I realised that anyone could put NOPAGE in the page text and the program could not disambiguate, so I want to place a character in the "NOPAGE" return that cannot be served my MW.
[10:54:09] <\n>	*by
[10:54:16] <flyingparchment>	\n: use boost::optional<std::string> or throw an exception
[10:54:27] <RoanKattouw>	\n: Or return NULL ^^
[10:54:38] <flyingparchment>	no, NULL would require a bad design choice (returning a pointer)
[10:54:55] <flyingparchment>	although you could return a shared_ptr<string> and make it NULL on failure, but that would be a somewhat strange interface
[10:55:13] <\n>	flyingparchment: I don't use boost :(
[10:55:17] <RoanKattouw>	Ah yes, C++ has actual strings
[10:55:20] <flyingparchment>	\n: why not?
[10:55:27] <flyingparchment>	\n: there's a reason nearly all C++ projects use it
[10:55:48] <\n>	flyingparchment: I'm using wxWidgets framework for a GUI program, so technically I'm returning a wxString.
[10:55:49] <Splarka>	~~~~
[10:56:03] <flyingparchment>	a GUI framework with its own string type... there's your first problem
[10:56:04] <\n>	(Mosting the same thing)
[10:56:08] <Splarka>	very hard to save to the very beginning of a page (but possible... BEANS)
[10:56:16] <flyingparchment>	anyway, use boost::optional<wxString> if you like
[10:57:03] <Splarka>	also, what about when a page itself exists but is blank? (like if someone blanks a page or creates it with {{subst:ns:0}}
[10:57:03] <\n>	Splarka: Hard enough that it would be near impossible, would you say?
[10:57:24] <Splarka>	nope, two methods: import the page from a modified generated (or manually created) XML file
[10:57:36] <Splarka>	or change your sig to ~~~~ and type in ~~~ ^_^
[10:58:02] <Splarka>	but still not many will do that, or know how to, or know it would screw you up
[10:58:21] <flyingparchment>	that would be a pretty hilarious bug, especially considering how easy it is to fix
[10:58:22] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: How about ~~{{subst:ns:0}}~~
[10:58:31] <\n>	Splarka: {{subst:SITENAME}}. Impossible?
[10:58:32] <flyingparchment>	(another way is to pass the return in as a reference and return bool)
[10:59:02] <Splarka>	Roan: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fooz
[10:59:05] <Splarka>	works as expected
[10:59:17] <Splarka>	(expands to sig)
[10:59:38] <Splarka>	\n: that can also be done via the import bug, but not the sig bug, so more reliable yes
[11:00:16] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Creating empty works http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fooz2
[11:00:35] <Splarka>	yes, but you can't create with ~~~~ with ~~{{subst:ns:0}}~~
[11:00:43] <RoanKattouw>	True
[11:01:01] <\n>	Splarka: I think I'll go with that then. It's for an antivandalism tool, so the targeted audience will not have import rights I would say :).
[11:01:07] <\n>	Thank you everyone for your help.
[11:01:07] <RoanKattouw>	But you can probably create {{subst:SITENAME}} with {{subst:SIT{{subst:ns:0}}ENAME}} or something
[11:01:11] <flyingparchment>	\n: do you not see how you can fix this with a trivial change to your program?
[11:01:29] <flyingparchment>	\n: instead of a bizarre and hacky solution that's much harder and probably will break one day
[11:02:21] <\n>	flyingparchment: Pfft, if I wanted normal code, I would have chosen python. ;) So my options are boost?
[11:02:30] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fooz&action=edit
[11:02:44] <flyingparchment>	\n: i gave you three suggestions: a) boost::optional b) throw an exception c) pass the return string in by reference and return a bool
[11:02:51] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: How'd you do that?
[11:02:56] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: sig trick ^_^
[11:03:00] <Splarka>	as said
[11:03:00] <RoanKattouw>	Ah :P
[11:03:07] <flyingparchment>	\n: btw, the problem here is not C++.
[11:03:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error: 1146 Table 'testwiki.l10n_cache' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20471  (10roan.kattouw)
[11:04:00] <\n>	flyingparchment: Yes, the problem is me, but why change a winning formula? :)
[11:04:05] <Platonides>	\n, return a string containing just the \0 character
[11:04:34] <\n>	Platonides: Would the API return anything that could be interpreted as that?
[11:04:39] <flyingparchment>	in wxString, i believe that's the same as the empty string
[11:04:44] <flyingparchment>	as wxString is a shitty hack
[11:04:53] <Platonides>	isn't wxString binary-safe?
[11:05:00] <Platonides>	I think it is
[11:05:17] <Platonides>	you can have \1 instead of \0 if you prefer
[11:05:18] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:05:23] <RoanKattouw>	There's no reason an article couldn't contain \0 AFAIK
[11:05:24] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&rvlimit=10&titles=Fooz
[11:05:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  (10barras-ps)
[11:05:30] <Splarka>	          <rev xml:space="preserve">~~~~</rev>
[11:05:30] <Splarka>	          <rev xml:space="preserve" />
[11:05:38] <Platonides>	RoanKattouw, I think they are filtered
[11:05:43] <Splarka>	a blank page returns a self-closing <rev> tag in format=xml
[11:05:51] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[11:06:02] <Splarka>	but "" in json, heh
[11:06:05] <flyingparchment>	ah, looks like they fixed wxstring in the latest version
[11:07:13] <\n>	Splarka: Fortunately I use format=xml :)
[11:15:43] <\n>	flyingparchment: I have seen the light of reason and adopted exceptions :)
[11:15:59] <Splarka>	Roan: can't seem to get it to accept \0, seems to crop the input at that character actually
[11:16:18] <Splarka>	if appendtext starts with it, shows up as a null edit
[11:18:50] <Splarka>	(%00 rather, not the string "\0", heh)
[11:19:10] <\n>	Splarka: I was going to say, I found it worked fine; http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&rvlimit=10&titles=Fooz2 :)
[11:20:31] *Splarka 	saw that
[11:22:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PDF version link does not have a title attribute. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20219  +comment (10johannes.beigel)
[11:22:10] <flyingparchment>	\n: exception might not be the best solution here unless you're expecting the page to exist
[11:22:21] <flyingparchment>	\n: if it's normal that the page doesn't exist, don't use exceptions (it's not an exceptional condition)
[11:22:38] <\n>	flyingparchment: It should exist
[12:21:52] <CIA-70>	03jojo * r55754 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.templates.php: fix
[12:32:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885  (10gtisza)
[12:49:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Setting to only disable password reminder - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20473 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Email; (moreira)
[13:02:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting to only disable password reminder - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20473  +comment (10hauser)
[13:06:02] <LauraHale>	Anyone in the Chicago area?
[13:06:19] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[13:06:36] <LauraHale>	:(
[13:17:06] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55755 10/trunk/extensions/WikiArticleFeeds/WikiArticleFeeds.php: Use ParserFirstCallInit hook if available
[13:31:42] <^demon>	Heh, SpecialExport
[13:33:01] <p858snake>	how about we just cheat and assign those fixme's to werd without letting him know?
[13:35:32] <^demon>	You can't assign fixmes in codereview
[13:47:34] <CIA-70>	03demon * r55756 10/trunk/extensions/wikiforum/: Remove ancient extension. Doesn't work in 1.5 or above. E-mailed the author about 3 weeks ago and got no reply.
[14:36:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting to only disable password reminder - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20473  +comment (10Platonides)
[14:49:55] <Jeni>	Are Editnotices enabled on mediawiki by default, or do I need to install an extension?
[14:50:12] <jMyles_>	This seems like it'd be obvious, but can somebody point me to a guide to changing the name of the main page (I don't want a move-and-redirect, I want "home" to actually point to a different page than "main page")
[14:50:42] <MaxSem>	[[MediaWiki:Mainpage]]
[14:55:36] <riot>	is it possible to define default values for undeclared paramters in templates?
[14:56:08] <ialex>	{{{1|default value}}}
[14:56:26] <riot>	thanksalot
[14:57:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting to only disable password reminder - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20473  (10hauser)
[14:58:57] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) New 'wikilists-l' list for discussion of mailing list issues, blocks, etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20209  (10cbass)
[15:02:18] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[15:14:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting to only disable password reminder - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20473  (10hauser)
[15:16:46] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[15:17:06] <[KrusheR]>	has the maintenance script model changed?
[15:17:20] <[KrusheR]>	i see a new Maintenance.php file for creating new scripts...
[15:28:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Searching for a term with # in it is not handled gracefully - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11872  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[15:32:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10monkbel)
[15:37:37] <jdpond>	I have a user that wants to use a button instead of a link - something like [[a wiki page|anchor|button]] would produce html <form><input type="button" value="anchor" onclick="window.location.href='/wiki/index.php?title=a_wik_page'></form>"  Any ideas?
[15:39:07] <Platonides>	you wouldn't need the <form>
[15:56:58] <zocky>	jdpond, you could write a link hook for that
[15:57:26] <zocky>	it can be done with html and css without using a real button too
[15:57:50] <zocky>	but then he'd have to have a classed span around it
[15:59:04] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55757 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialUserrights.php): * (bug 20446) When changing user rights with User@remotewiki and remotewiki is the local wiki, the user is now treated as the local user
[15:59:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Consolidate the userrights log for User@metawiki and User - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20446  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[15:59:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Try beta" lacks tooltip, and localization support. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20474 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[16:00:09] <zocky>	that could be fixed by renaming it "Try alpha" 
[16:00:31] <jdpond>	zocky: I was thinking of doing it, can't do it with html, because those tags are filtered - already tried that.
[16:01:19] <jdpond>	zocky: Doing it with hook LinkEnd doesn't look that hard.
[16:01:33] <zocky>	jdpond, you don't need to have a real button. you can have a link that looks like a button
[16:01:36] <zocky>	all in css
[16:01:53] <jdpond>	would use syntax [a wiki page|anchor|type=button]]
[16:02:15] <zocky>	or [[button:page|anchor]]
[16:02:21] <jdpond>	Still have to do the span class - not very user frindly.
[16:02:21] <zocky>	but pseudonamespaces suck
[16:02:53] <zocky>	maybe use display= or kind= or something instead of type=
[16:03:09] <jdpond>	Good point zocky
[16:03:09] <zocky>	less likely to clash with another extension you may want to use later
[16:04:01] <jdpond>	[[a wiki page|anchor|displayas=button]]
[16:04:26] <jdpond>	or maybe just [[a wiki page|anchor|button]]
[16:04:58] <zocky>	jdpond, another thing that you might want to look into, for more general stuff, is having a parser function that allows any html inside it, but works only if saved in mediawiki namespace, or alternatively on a protected page
[16:05:00] <jdpond>	or [[a wiki page|anchor|link]] (default)
[16:05:22] <zocky>	so you can make html-rich templates for your users, without allowing any user to use any html
[16:06:04] <zocky>	i'm not a big fan of unnamed arguments, but they're probably easiest to type for a thing like a link
[16:06:33] *ashley 	waves to RoanKattouw
[16:06:41] *RoanKattouw 	waves back
[16:06:52] <zocky>	you could of course get them to use {{button|page|anchor}}, so it wouldn't matter to users how it's actually implemented
[16:07:17] <ashley>	Roan: are you by any chance the author of AjaxLoginJQ.js? ;-) you know, the cooler version of ajaxlogin which is enabled on http://prototype.wikimedia.org/sandbox/
[16:07:36] <RoanKattouw>	ashley: No
[16:07:45] <ashley>	ah, who is, then?
[16:07:52] <RoanKattouw>	ashley: Some Wikia person
[16:08:12] <jdpond>	re: unlimited html - These are mostly gov developers/editors - not as worried about malicious as incompetence, but really don't want to go there.
[16:08:56] <zocky>	jdpond, the idea is to allow only admins to write unlimited html, and users can only transclude it
[16:09:21] <jdpond>	hmmm - you greatly overestimate the capabilities of my admin pool.
[16:09:55] <zocky>	meh, you just need to assume that they're capable of understanding that they shouldn't touch things they don't understand ;)
[16:10:41] <jdpond>	zocky: Uhmm - this is gov - ever read a newspaper?
[16:11:20] <zocky>	:)
[16:12:31] <Nikerabbit>	hi ashley and RoanKattouw_away 
[16:12:42] <ashley>	heya Nikerabbit
[16:46:55] <riot>	GAH!.. why is an image link ignoring half of my parameters? [[Bild:foobar.svg|frame|link=http://foobar.net|caption=foobar|50px]] << link and width get ignored :/
[16:51:52] <riot>	HNF.
[16:52:07] <RoanKattouw>	!imagelink | riot
[16:52:07] --mwbot--	riot: In MW1.14+: you can use the new 'link' parameter [[Image:Foo.png|link=Bar]] | Before that, image linking was intentionally not supported in MediaWiki, so access to the image's description page was always available. If you need image links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Linked_images> for methods and information.
[16:52:18] <RoanKattouw>	riot: Note the MW 1.14+ part
[16:52:57] <riot>	i'm running 1.14
[16:53:08] <RoanKattouw>	Hm
[16:53:28] <riot>	and the size is ignored, too. That works if i omit the "frame" parameter
[16:53:52] <RoanKattouw>	What happens when you put frame at the end?
[16:54:36] <riot>	size is ignored then
[16:54:52] <riot>	and the link
[16:55:11] <riot>	as soon as i try to frame it, link and size are thrown overboard. WIthout the link, there is no caption(which makes some sense)
[16:55:56] <MaxSem>	can confirm it on trunk
[16:56:05] <riot>	so, its a bug?! Uh oh.
[16:56:51] <MaxSem>	or a lack of documentation
[16:58:30] <riot>	thumb works quite well but ignores the link *bg*
[16:59:22] <riot>	aah, but i can at least embed the link in its caption
[16:59:30] <riot>	so, a good workaround.
[16:59:59] <riot>	yep, thats nice
[17:02:15] <MaxSem>	no, it's documented: 'Note that link cannot be used in conjunction with thumb as thumb is always meant to link to the larger version of the image. In addition, link cannot be used with frame.'
[17:02:20] <MaxSem>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images
[17:07:35] <riot>	MaxSem: ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up :)
[17:12:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wiki should have a "stability" indication/graph feature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4684  (10martinoc)
[17:19:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting to only disable password reminder - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20473  (10Platonides)
[17:26:33] <CIA-70>	03nimishg * r55758 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Fixed JS global variable string escaping, added Special:ClickTracking page
[17:58:59] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Install Extension:NewUserMessage on strategy wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20253  +comment (10pbeaudette)
[18:13:14] <SpecialExport>	can someone help me with Special:Export? please...?
[18:13:37] <SpecialExport>	hi
[18:14:46] <SpecialExport>	is there someone with PHP knowledge here?
[18:15:03] <Reedy>	!ask | SpecialExport 
[18:15:03] --mwbot--	SpecialExport: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[18:15:46] <SpecialExport>	i need to use special parameters in Special:Export and i dont know how...
[18:15:53] <Reedy>	What special parameter?
[18:16:31] <SpecialExport>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parameters_to_Special:Export
[18:16:56] <SpecialExport>	like "offset" and "limit"
[18:17:18] <Reedy>	"The dir, offset and limit parameter only work for POST requests"
[18:17:38] <SpecialExport>	i requested using POST requests, but it gives me the entire history
[18:17:57] <SpecialExport>	instead of the limited history
[18:18:29] <SpecialExport>	the source code is here: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/specials/SpecialExport.php?revision=53198&view=markup&pathrev=53198
[18:19:03] <Reedy>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parameters_to_Special:Export#Stopping_the_export_of_your_mediawiki
[18:19:07] <Reedy>	hmm
[18:19:10] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[18:19:17] <Reedy>	Note: User:Stefan.petrea writes: All the curl and Python and ruby examples are broken. They retrieve the whole history instead of what they're supposed to. Please fix them , thank you.
[18:19:25] <Reedy>	I presume its never been reported as a bug
[18:20:11] <SpecialExport>	it has been reported before... https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18180
[18:20:51] <Reedy>	And then closed as resolved/invalid by the user
[18:20:57] <SpecialExport>	i looked through the code.. but i cant see the bug
[18:22:41] <Reedy>	SpecialExport, best thing is to log a bug/feature request on bugzilla, asking for a way to override the setting if its set to allow export of the whole history, to only get the current revision
[18:23:36] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55759 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add support for aliases for ClickTracking (r55758)
[18:23:38] <SpecialExport>	but i want to export the last 5 revisions
[18:23:47] <Reedy>	Well, put that as a request then
[18:24:12] <Reedy>	presumably someone would add an export revision count
[18:24:28] <SpecialExport>	but it is already in the codes.. i just don't know how to get it to work
[18:24:42] <Reedy>	Just because it is in the code, doesnt mean it works
[18:24:43] <RoanKattouw>	SpecialExport: Try not passing the &history parameter ?
[18:24:52] <SpecialExport>	it used to work... 
[18:25:05] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah it says that on the bug too
[18:25:05] <SpecialExport>	i tried that, roan
[18:25:09] <RoanKattouw>	Hm
[18:25:39] <SpecialExport>	something happened during an upgrade.. and i cant figure it out.
[18:25:50] <Reedy>	Mentions a "history parameter"
[18:26:39] <SpecialExport>	is "elseif" different from "else if"? that's the only thing i noticed
[18:26:42] <Reedy>	what link are you trying?
[18:26:50] <RoanKattouw>	No, they're not different
[18:26:56] <SpecialExport>	hmm...
[18:27:04] <Reedy>	are you specifying a limit?
[18:27:10] <SpecialExport>	yea
[18:28:16] <SpecialExport>	any page i try to export, the entire history is exported. the thing just skips the "limit" part in the code.
[18:28:33] <Reedy>	Then, that would presumably be a bug
[18:28:50] <SpecialExport>	if ( $limit > 0 && $limit < $wgExportMaxHistory )
[18:31:46] <SpecialExport>	if the history parameter is set to false, i still get the entire history
[18:34:51] <jdpond>	Platonides:  I think this captures your ideas on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646 = Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements.  Used indices instead of messages, all msgs are now logged in english.  http://dpaste.org/n8x2/
[18:36:22] <jdpond>	I also eliminated 2nd error message printing - the only difference was that it didn't vary: cookie.  Don't think the message should have been cached in any case, so changed that too.
[18:37:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting to only disable password reminder - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20473  (10moreira)
[18:41:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  +comment (10jack.pond)
[18:42:03] <Platonides>	jdpond, wfForbidden is only called once, so you don't need the $fileloaded
[18:42:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  +comment (10jack.pond)
[18:42:55] <jdpond>	Platonides - Unless cached?
[18:44:17] <Platonides>	cached?
[18:44:55] <jdpond>	PHP cached - does it retain statics?  Otherwise, you're right - no need to have it in there.
[18:45:06] <Platonides>	I don't think so
[18:45:12] <Platonides>	you'd get a different result there
[18:45:35] <Platonides>	php accelerators may do some tricks doing caching
[18:45:36] <Ose>	why don't <thead> and <tbody> tags work in mediawiki?
[18:45:46] <Platonides>	but the net result shall be the same as without it
[18:45:53] <jdpond>	So delete the $fileload condition, always require_once?
[18:47:39] <Platonides>	yes
[18:49:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:50:38] <CIA-70>	03tparscal * r55760 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/OptIn/ (OptIn.hooks.php OptIn.i18n.php OptInLink.i18n.php): Added tooltips to the personal-tools links. Removed the rest of the unused messages from main i18n file.
[18:51:39] <jdpond>	Done and tested.
[18:51:42] <jdpond>	http://dpaste.org/JSWY/
[18:52:58] <Platonides>	now you don't need static $fileloaded = false;
[18:53:32] <jdpond>	Damn.  removing now.
[18:53:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "Try beta" lacks tooltip, and localization support. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20474  +comment (10tparscal)
[18:53:58] <ialex>	and please put the settings in DefaultSettings.php
[18:56:56] <jdpond>	ialex: was that for img_auth (DefaultSettings)?
[18:57:27] <ialex>	jdpond: yes
[18:58:47] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Missing revisions report an incorrect page name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18795  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:58:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Visiting deleted edits gives Main page deletion tab. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17669  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:59:53] <jdpond>	There's a bit of conundrum on this code.  It's not really core because it is only used by wikis using Image Authorization.   We've been debating whether the messages (i18n) should go into $messages or should only be loaded at time of error.  Right now we're loading the img_auth.i18n.php only at error time, the settings should probably be consistent.   Or am I off the wall on this one?
[19:00:20] <siebrand>	is trevor parscal here?
[19:00:29] <ialex>	jdpond: the new message should be in MessagesEn.php
[19:01:43] <sprax>	Running MW 1.16, Apache 2.0.56 on Win2k3. When using special pages (upload, user rights), and clicking the submit button (upload, save, whatever) the page refreshes but does not actually post the content. This happens with IE7 but not FF3 on the same PC, wiki, and server. Any ideas?
[19:01:44] <jdpond>	ialex: Messages:  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=6321
[19:02:59] <ialex>	sprax: don't use IE ? :)
[19:03:02] <Platonides>	siebrand, doesn't seem to
[19:03:36] <siebrand>	Platonides: yeah, he use TrevorParascal as nick, doesn't he?
[19:03:44] <siebrand>	Platonides: (without the typo)
[19:04:04] <sprax>	ialex corp policy, it has to be a WAMP and has to be IE
[19:04:31] <ialex>	sprax: that was more or less a joke ;)
[19:04:39] <Emufarmers>	Is corporate policy also that you have to use the unstable version?
[19:04:49] <ialex>	jdpond: putting them somewhere else would not ease translating them
[19:05:01] <sprax>	ialex I know, don't worry. I wish it wasn't....
[19:05:14] <sprax>	So I tried dumping the contents of Common.js but that didn't help
[19:05:29] <jdpond>	sprax: Got one worse on you - WIMP and have to support Vista.
[19:06:27] <Platonides>	siebrand, I thought he uses tparscal
[19:06:27] <jdpond>	OK Ialex - when i go to commit, will move all msgs into MessagesEn.php - will be able to simplify code too.
[19:06:32] <Platonides>	but perhaps it was only his email
[19:06:45] <sprax>	I was running on apache 2.2 and the event log was showing messages about being unable to map Special:Upload which didn't make sense. I found one unhelpful thread in the apache mailing list about it. I downgraded to 2.0 and the error is gone but the problem persists
[19:07:19] <sprax>	jdpond I'll see your wimp and raise you one IRC is firewalled and I'm on my off day VPNd in from home and using BX on my Debian box to chill in #mediawiki :)
[19:07:35] <sprax>	not that I mind
[19:07:48] <ialex>	sprax: does it happen with other software, or it is MediaWiki specific?
[19:08:10] <jdpond>	Ahhh - see you and raise you one - go IRC and most Web 2.0 by using a Broadband wireless card at work!
[19:09:16] <sprax>	ialex no issues with phpmyadmin. Also regular pages post fine, though sometimes the preview shows a blank page instead of rendered content
[19:09:39] <sprax>	jdpond I fold
[19:09:42] <Emufarmers>	sprax: as I was trying to suggest, have you considered not using 1.16?
[19:10:35] <siebrand>	jdpond: good to see you again. I thought I read on your mediawiki.org user page a while ago you'd left with other priorities.
[19:11:58] <sprax>	Emufarmers sorry I missed your post. Also it was a typo, I'm running 1.15
[19:12:09] <Emufarmers>	Oh
[19:12:49] <sprax>	MediaWiki 1.15.1  -- PHP 5.2.10 (apache2handler) -- MySQL  5.0.83-community-nt
[19:13:01] <Emufarmers>	Is it logging you out when it's not supposed to?
[19:13:34] <sprax>	Emufarmers not that I've noticied
[19:13:38] <jdpond>	siebrand:  Nah - that was Rob Church I think.  I've not been too active because things got really hectic at work.  Launched first Web 3.0 gov app based on Semantic MediaWiki today.  https://wiki.montcopa.org/BizOps
[19:14:18] <sprax>	Emufarmers The plan tonight is to disable all my extensions and see what happens. I have some custom parer hooks (which should not play on the mainpage), Lockdown, FCKEditor
[19:14:27] <sprax>	erm, play on special pages
[19:14:28] <sprax>	sorry
[19:15:02] <Emufarmers>	jpond: keep your Semantic hands off my medicare!
[19:15:03] <jdpond>	I did finish the NSFileRepo which allows for namespace protection of files as an extension to FileRepo, and as soon as I commit img_auth, will officially upgrade and start supporting it.
[19:15:13] <Emufarmers>	sprax: good plan
[19:15:29] <jdpond>	NSFileRepo uses Lockdown for files.
[19:16:25] <jdpond>	Going to update my user page now.
[19:17:27] <siebrand>	jdpond: do you have any plans of moving (part of) your Google code (?) MW extension collection into mediawiki's svn?
[19:17:32] <sprax>	also have to check that my extensions are compatible with 1.15. I moved from 1.12 to 1.15 a while back on my staging box, then move the whole thing to the prod box and thats when this started
[19:18:37] <siebrand>	jdpond: maybe I'm just comfusing you with another person with a similar name... Searching...
[19:19:11] <Emufarmers>	jldupont? ^__^
[19:19:13] <WaterRatj>	How do i clear the history?
[19:19:17] <siebrand>	jdpond: yeah, got it. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jldupont . Sorry for the confusion.
[19:19:43] <jdpond>	Ah - that explains it.
[19:20:14] <sprax>	Before I sign off, can anyone tell me, is there any other way javascript can get injected into the page (other than Common.js and Monobook.js)? I'm leaning towards some MSIE non-standardishness since I get no issues with FireFox
[19:20:35] <Emufarmers>	Extensions
[19:20:43] <sprax>	so if I comment out my Common.js and disable all my extensions, is there anything else left?
[19:21:08] <WaterRatj>	Anyone?
[19:21:20] <Emufarmers>	Shouldn't be, unless gremlins have been sneaking things into wikibits while you're asleep
[19:22:29] <WaterRatj>	I founded a link somewhere with the answer but kinda lost it
[19:23:10] <sprax>	Emufarmers nope, just me, though I am kind of an extension whore. It's strange that it's so common on the Special pages. Even stranger, if I restart MSIE it'll work a few times and freak out. It's even money on FCKEdit or Lockdown. Anyway, thanks to everyone for your suggestions.
[19:24:08] <sprax>	The episode of top chef challenge on TV right now was filed around the corner from me. Yay!
[19:25:47] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: TrevorParscal is probably off to lunch, he should be back around 10 PM European time
[19:26:10] <jdpond>	siebrand: I am going to update jldupont's cshow and move it to SVN - not for protection, but because it's a nice way not to show stuff that people can't access anyway.  New version specifies access to multiple groups.   http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConditionalShow
[19:26:12] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: I left a CR comment.
[19:26:57] <siebrand>	jdpond: do take that awful mediator extension out if cshow uses it, please.
[19:27:15] <jdpond>	Hmm, will look.
[19:31:00] <jdpond>	siebrand: cshow doesn't us it - I think that's why I chose it over ConditionalContent which needs ParserPhase2 - too complicated for me to get running.  Had to make changes for cshow to work.
[19:31:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SpecialExport producing corrupt output. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20475 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Export/Import; (overlordq)
[19:31:32] <jdpond>	siebrand: cshow doesn't *use* it - I think that's why I chose it over ConditionalContent which needs ParserPhase2 - too complicated for me to get running.  Had to make changes for cshow to work.u
[19:31:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL/pgsql support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10overlordq)
[19:33:03] <siebrand>	jdpond: ah, I actually meant http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StubManager
[19:33:32] <WaterRatj>	Can anyone please help me with my problem?
[19:33:34] <siebrand>	jdpond: I think that's obsolete in the current MW version with a few minor changes to the extension's code.
[19:33:39] <siebrand>	!ask | WaterRatj
[19:33:39] --mwbot--	WaterRatj: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[19:34:02] <WaterRatj>	heyi asked it already twice
[19:34:12] <siebrand>	WaterRatj: MediaWiki cannot delete history.
[19:34:29] <WaterRatj>	There is, did it before with mediawiki
[19:34:35] <WaterRatj>	was one command
[19:34:53] <siebrand>	WaterRatj: extension Oversight or more recently core functionality Suppression can hide, though.
[19:35:00] <Emufarmers>	deleteOldRevisions.php?
[19:35:11] <siebrand>	ah, maintenance script.
[19:35:16] <OverlordQ>	deleteArchivedRevisions?
[19:35:28] <Emufarmers>	deleteArchivedRevisions is something different
[19:35:40] <OverlordQ>	yea, that'll removed deleted pages history
[19:35:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create new right/permisson to view hidden revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20476 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Revision deletion; (danny.leinad)
[19:49:39] <jdpond>	siebrand: Yes, about every 6 months, I try to get stuff that uses request stubmanager working - without success.  Then I remember why I don't use those extensions.  "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -- Albert Einstein(1879-1955)
[19:52:33] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, does the suppressionlog right let you view deleted suppresed revisions, or just see the log?
[19:54:11] <Rjd0060>	I'd imagine it's like checkuser and just see the log
[19:55:22] <Emufarmers>	grep seems to indicate as much; I'm just surprised there isn't already a viewsuppressedrevision right
[19:56:06] <Rjd0060>	although, there wouldn't be a new action with suppression as there would be to view CU results (as it would take a new check since the info isnt saved) so...not usre
[19:56:08] <Rjd0060>	*sure
[20:01:50] <nnc>	Hi all
[20:02:25] <nnc>	Can anyone tell me where can I find the code that converts wiki markup like [[Some Page]] into a URL like /Some_Page ?
[20:02:42] <Emufarmers>	includes/Parser.php?
[20:07:16] <nnc>	Emufarmers: Would you happen to know what function that is?
[20:07:28] <nnc>	urlFunction() ?
[20:09:43] <Emufarmers>	Nope
[20:13:31] <Ose>	is there an extension that easily converts table data to graphs/charts?
[20:14:38] <jdpond>	nnc: I think you want to look in Linker.php
[20:16:44] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55761 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LocalisationCache.php: 
[20:16:44] <CIA-70>	* (bug 20464) Force manual recaching to false in
[20:16:44] <CIA-70>	LocalisationCache::disableBackend() since otherwise an Exception with the
[20:16:44] <CIA-70>	message "No localisation cache found for English. Please run
[20:16:44] <CIA-70>	maintenance/rebuildLocalisationCache.php." is thrown each time update.php is
[20:16:45] <CIA-70>	executed.
[20:17:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) update.php fails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20464  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:30:39] <nnc>	jdpond: thanks for the tip, but I couldn't find it
[20:30:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a note on Special:Block if the account is already globally locked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20188  (10matthew.britton)
[20:30:55] <nnc>	I'll just try replacing spaces with underscores and see what happens
[20:31:42] <nnc>	these are links/titles form a Wikipedia dump, so they shouldn't have any invalid characters as those were removed/filtered out by Wikipedia on insert, right?
[20:43:35] <RoanKattouw>	nnc: Title::getFullURL() mostly
[20:44:15] <RoanKattouw>	nnc: What you want for this purpose is $title = Title::newFromText("Foo bar"); $withUnderscores = $title->getPrefixedDBkey(); // Foo_bar
[20:44:52] <nnc>	RoanKattouw: Thanks!
[20:47:50] <jdpond>	When adding messages, does one just add to MessageEn.php or should they be added to both MessageEn and MessageQqq?
[20:50:03] <jdpond>	I'm guessing that adding to just MessageEn is preferred.
[20:50:48] <Duesentrieb>	jdpond: no, adding both is preferred, but few people know about or use Qqq
[20:50:58] <Duesentrieb>	it's pretty new, and i don't know if it was ever officially announced#
[20:51:11] <Duesentrieb>	but having a description of the message in Qqq is a good thing.
[20:51:25] <Duesentrieb>	not required though
[20:52:33] <jdpond>	OK, I'll do both - thanks Duesentrieb
[20:55:18] <Ose>	why does wikitables generate so illogical XHTML?
[20:59:30] <anne_b>	can I view a changelog for 1.16alpha-wmf anywhere?
[21:00:52] <Emufarmers>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/wmf-deployment/RELEASE-NOTES?revision=55180&view=markup&pathrev=55629
[21:01:37] <anne_b>	thanks
[21:04:14] *OverlordQ 	wonders why people use that branch
[21:04:43] <Platonides>	because it's better than using trunk?
[21:04:53] <[KrusheR]>	is 1.16 spected soon?
[21:05:42] <OverlordQ>	must be a strage definition of better that I've never heard of before
[21:06:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error: 1146 Table 'testwiki.l10n_cache' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20471  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:06:43] <RoanKattouw>	OverlordQ: Mostly unstable crap that runs on the #5 web site > mostly unstable crap that doesn't run on any large website
[21:06:50] <RoanKattouw>	(except maybe translatewiki.net)
[21:07:15] <OverlordQ>	yes but wont that branch also at times contain WMF specific hacks?
[21:07:23] <RoanKattouw>	Sometimes
[21:09:01] <[KrusheR]>	will 1.16 be released in october?
[21:09:38] <Duesentrieb>	[KrusheR]: possibly.
[21:11:00] <Emufarmers>	It _should_ be released in September; not sure how likely that is, though
[21:14:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Feature request - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20477 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (doviddebresser)
[21:15:42] <ialex>	nice summary :)
[21:16:27] <^demon>	(NEW) Bug
[21:16:34] <ialex>	:D
[21:16:49] <Platonides>	at least it doesn't have importance: critical alongside that summary
[21:16:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow filtering for non-articles in Special:Whatlinkshere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20477  summary (10roan.kattouw)
[21:16:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow filtering for non-articles in Special:Whatlinkshere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20477  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:17:08] <Emufarmers>	What does "non-articles" mean?
[21:17:17] <Reedy>	Emufarmers, in what sense?
[21:17:20] <Reedy>	Usually stuff not NS 0
[21:17:25] <Reedy>	ApiEdit - Presumably it'd let you save a blank page?
[21:17:30] <Reedy>	RoanKattouw, ^
[21:17:39] <RoanKattouw>	Reedy: No
[21:17:49] <Reedy>	Alright, cheers
[21:17:53] <RoanKattouw>	The software doesn't let you *create* a blank page
[21:18:03] <RoanKattouw>	Of course there's two ways around that
[21:18:09] <RoanKattouw>	1) create it with content, then blank it
[21:18:16] <RoanKattouw>	2) create it with {{subst:ns:0}}
[21:18:24] <Reedy>	heh
[21:18:28] <Emufarmers>	Reedy: well, there are other criteria: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Article 
[21:18:43] <Reedy>	I was more meaning, saving an already created page (in most cases)
[21:19:53] <TimStarling>	spyc seems a bit broken
[21:20:15] <TimStarling>	RoanKattouw, you've dealt with spyc haven't you?
[21:20:30] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Not actively, why do you ask?
[21:20:39] <RoanKattouw>	Oh SPYC seems broken; how?
[21:21:16] <TimStarling>	it doesn't put tags on scalars
[21:21:31] <TimStarling>	so strings containing things that look like integers, like "0x5c" will be converted to integers
[21:24:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Restore autoreview for confirmed usergroup on huwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19885  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:24:14] <TimStarling>	I'm looking at it because Nikerabbit has been complaining about my r42547, where I removed the spyc parsing code
[21:24:33] <TimStarling>	but I still called the class "spyc" which makes things difficult for extensions
[21:24:54] <TimStarling>	so I said I'd look at merging it into ApiFormatYaml
[21:31:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a note on Special:Block if the account is already globally locked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20188  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[21:31:28] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiFactory Neat
[21:31:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add a note to Special:Block when the IP is already globally blocked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20478 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: GlobalBlocking; (mike.lifeguard)
[21:32:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Stylesheet forces too much space below minor headings in Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20479 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (decoy)
[21:33:48] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard: Any compelling reason for making that two bugs? Presumably if someone fixed one they'd be fixing both.
[21:34:41] <MrZ-man>	I think global locking and global blocking are separate extensions
[21:35:00] <ialex>	^demon: they are two separate extensions
[21:35:10] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Hm. I haven't really messed with SPYC's internals, I just know that ApiFormatYaml (which Yuri wrote) uses it. If the current version of SPYC is broken in a way that ApiFormatYaml's is not, then let's use the older, non-broken one
[21:35:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Stylesheet forces too much space below minor headings in Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20479  +comment (10decoy)
[21:36:47] <Mike_lifeguard>	^demon: well they are different extensions
[21:37:02] <TimStarling>	I missed the is_numeric() in _needLiteral(), that seems to fix that case I mentioned
[21:37:09] *Mike_lifeguard 	hopes locking will disappear *forever* soon though... maybe it will be integrated into globalblocking extension :)
[21:39:18] <TimStarling>	it's really quite a nasty format
[21:39:22] <TimStarling>	reminds me of wikitext
[21:39:28] <atglenn>	:-D
[21:39:44] <TimStarling>	I don't know why someone would use it voluntarily
[21:41:28] <RoanKattouw>	I guess it's not very convenient for real-world usage but I use it every now and then for viewing; looks nice because it escapes very little
[21:42:00] <RoanKattouw>	Stuff like HTML generated by the parser looks really ugly in XML with <tag> and is a long string of \n - separated lines in JSON
[21:42:26] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Ah now that you name isLiteral(), I fixed that function up a bit once
[21:42:31] *RoanKattouw 	looks up the rev
[21:42:51] <TimStarling>	it has your name on it
[21:43:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PageHistory.php deleterevision <form> breaks on ugly URL wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18827  (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:43:31] <RoanKattouw>	hehe I *wrote* _isLiteral() :D
[21:44:08] <RoanKattouw>	But that only decides whether to use literal mode, which is different from what you're looking for
[21:44:38] <RoanKattouw>	For instance look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&titles=Canada|United_States&redirects&format=yamlfm
[21:45:05] <RoanKattouw>	Most fields are in 'plain' mode, but the timestamps are in 'literal' mode because they contain dashes
[21:46:35] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r55762 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: 
[21:46:35] <CIA-70>	* Fix for r55741 - selecting no revisions made PHP notices
[21:46:36] <CIA-70>	* Some unrelated cleanups to old code
[21:47:35] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait I guess it *is* what you're looking for, my apologies
[22:01:06] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r55763 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: clarify msg
[22:05:36] <Emufarmers>	rar
[22:05:46] <^demon>	gzip
[22:05:56] <Emufarmers>	bzip2 ^__^
[22:06:41] <Splarka>	lzh?
[22:16:42] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r55764 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 20372) Improve rollback-revisiondelete handling
[22:23:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete and rollback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20372  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[22:28:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show both subject & associated talk namespace on PrefixIndex/Allpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20165  summary; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[22:39:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Turn on Extension:Social_Bookmarking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20448  (10wiki)
[22:46:33] <CSD_G1>	who's good with parser functions? 
[22:47:19] <Daedalus969>	c.c
[22:50:36] <CSD_G1>	hmm, nevermind
[23:13:36] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r55765 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 18862) RevisionDelete dropdowns
[23:14:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RevisionDelete should have a MediaWiki -dropdown page, and dropdown menu for common revision deletion reasons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18862  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:15:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	yay
[23:21:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edits with user/IP suppression aren't obvious - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20470  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:28:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  +comment (10jack.pond)
[23:29:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevDeleted to link to the actual revision(s) involved for all users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18753  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:29:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  +comment (10jack.pond)
[23:31:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  (10jack.pond)
[23:33:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  +comment (10jack.pond)
[23:33:12] <^demon>	jdpond: Is there anyway you can do that as 1 unified diff to trunk? It's really hard to review different patches for each file.
[23:34:03] <jdpond>	Sorry ^demon, I should have thought of that - want me to go back and do it now?
[23:35:11] <jdpond>	I haven't done patch for DefaultSettings.php yet.
[23:36:04] <^demon>	Just put it all in one unified diff :) 
[23:36:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:36:43] <^demon>	jdpond: DefaultSettings, MessagesEn (don't forget to add any new messages to maintenance/language/messages.inc :), img_auth. All can go in one diff.
[23:39:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335  (10mike.lifeguard)
[23:41:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  +comment (10jack.pond)
[23:41:57] <jdpond>	Think i got it ^demon.  Hmm, let me look at messages.inc don't know how that works.
[23:45:18] <jdpond>	^demon: don't think I need to do anything for messages.inc.
[23:46:26] <^demon>	If you're adding new messages you have to add the keys to messages.inc
[23:46:51] <jdpond>	I have to run - my car is in a lot that closes in 15, otherwise I walk home (a very long walk).  I'll check the IRC logs when I get back on in about 45 mins. 
[23:47:15] <jdpond>	Agghh.  You're right - was looking at languages.inc.  Will do that as soon as I get home.
[23:49:09] <jdpond>	^demon - should go into miscellaneous 3 or upload-errors?
[23:49:22] *^demon 	shrugs
[23:50:05] <^demon>	Maybe miscellaneous.
[23:51:29] <jdpond>	Gotta run - will be back in 45.