[00:00:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) After using revision deletion on a file, no change is shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19912  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:01:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) After using revision deletion on a file, no change is shown - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19912  (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:02:15] <^demon>	mwdumper is misbehaving :(
[00:29:33] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r55794 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: Removed old comment and depreciated <tt> tags
[00:40:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SyntaxHighlight setup may initialize a different parser object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20490  15enhancement->minor (10bugs)
[00:41:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ImageMap setup may initialize a different parser object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20491  15enhancement->minor (10bugs)
[00:43:31] <^demon>	Ewww, no no no.
[00:43:48] <^demon>	We don't need this absurd pre-1.12 compat with extensions anymore. This is why we branch them.
[00:44:06] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r55795 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/ (Preprocessor_DOM.php Preprocessor_Hash.php): Applied patch by Juliano F. Ravasi for bug 20431: constructor for PPCustomFrame_* failed to initialise the object properly.
[00:47:11] <juliano>	^demon: I agree. I did the patches like that just to not break anything, since I don't know how is the policy regarding to legacy support
[00:47:43] <juliano>	Since I found the compatibility code sitting on trunk, I kept it.
[00:50:38] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PPCustomFrame_DOM not properly constructed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20431  +comment (10tstarling)
[00:52:48] <TimStarling>	same juliano?
[00:53:04] <juliano>	yes, it is me :-)
[00:55:39] <TimStarling>	I may as well do 20490/20491 as well
[00:55:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PPCustomFrame_DOM not properly constructed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20431  (10bugs)
[00:56:03] <TimStarling>	if we want to drop 1.12 compatibility that can be done in a separate commit
[00:57:10] <TimStarling>	right, well to save spamming brion and wikibugs-l, I'll answer that here
[00:58:08] <TimStarling>	that's the best way to do it, custom frames were introduced to allow extensions to do things like this in a fairly elegant way
[00:58:33] <juliano>	good! :-)
[00:59:11] <TimStarling>	if you want to be sure the feature will be maintained, you should cook up some really cool application for them that everyone will want to use
[01:01:03] <TimStarling>	did you test those two ParserFirstCallInit patches?
[01:01:41] <juliano>	Well... There are a few users really excited with my extension, Wikilog... even though it isn't version 1.0 yet and lacks a lot of documentation, people still wants to use it.
[01:02:06] <juliano>	Yes, they are running live right now at my site (juliano.info)
[01:03:52] <juliano>	But... I tested them only in 1.15.1 and 1.16svn... Anyways, everyone is saying that pre-1.12 compatibility is to be dropped from trunk...
[01:05:18] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r55796 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Patches for bugs 20490 and 20491 by Juliano F. Ravasi (improper use of the ParserFirstCallInit hook). If we want to drop support for 1.11, that can be done in a subsequent commit.
[01:07:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) SyntaxHighlight setup may initialize a different parser object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20490  +comment (10tstarling)
[01:07:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) ImageMap setup may initialize a different parser object - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20491  +comment (10tstarling)
[01:10:39] <juliano>	Thanks!
[01:23:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error: 1146 Table 'testwiki.l10n_cache' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20471  (10tstarling)
[01:24:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	MediaWiki's search looks inside html comments right... it's looking at the raw wikitext?
[01:25:06] <cirwin>	Mike_lifeguard: yes, I filed a bug about it, it should index html
[01:25:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	oh
[01:25:27] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'd consider searching in html comments a feature :\
[01:25:34] <cirwin>	heh
[01:25:46] <cirwin>	it was not indexing template expansion that is the main problem
[01:26:00] <cirwin>	because all those inflection tables on wikt are not searchable
[01:26:11] <Mike_lifeguard>	and seeing as html changes without the wikitext being edited... :\
[01:26:21] <cirwin>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18861
[01:33:50] <rainman-sr>	that is with default myseql backend, no?
[01:34:11] <rainman-sr>	ah he left
[01:49:47] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r55797 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added $wgShowDBErrorBacktrace, to allow users to easily gather backtraces for database connection and query errors. We've had a few LocalisationCache bugs that required backtraces to track down.
[01:54:42] *AaronSchulz 	facebooks
[01:54:48] <AaronSchulz>	"We&#039;re Related" :s
[02:03:37] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r55798 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/update.php: (bug 20471) In update.php, disable the LocalisationCache storage backend before Setup.php is run, to avoid having extensions die when they try to access the l10n_cache table from $wgExtensionSetupFunctions.
[02:05:55] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Error: 1146 Table 'testwiki.l10n_cache' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20471  +comment (10tstarling)
[02:16:13] <jdpond>	Sounds like a total noob question - but where is the official 1.16 readme?
[02:16:32] <jdpond>	SVN
[02:20:03] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) php error in LinkHolderArray - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20036  +comment (10tstarling)
[02:21:25] <chuck>	If an internal namespace number is changed, is there a maintenance script that I can run to fix the namespace numbers references in the page table?
[02:28:46] <Emufarmers>	chuck: I thought you knew SQL? :D
[02:29:29] <chuck>	oh, duh.
[02:29:34] *chuck 	goes to hide in his corner
[02:29:49] <Emufarmers>	!hurr | chuck
[02:29:49] --mwbot--	chuck: Durr.
[02:41:06] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r55799 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LocalisationCache.php: Fixed a bug whereby if a recache is triggered via getSubitem(), the subitem requested will be saved into the process cache as missing.
[02:44:20] <CIA-70>	03jdpond * r55800 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[02:44:20] <CIA-70>	bug 19646 Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements
[02:44:20] <CIA-70>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646
[02:44:20] <CIA-70>	1. Localize img_auth.php using core messages
[02:44:20] <CIA-70>	2. Reorder checks to make sense (and eliminate redundancy)n
[02:44:22] <CIA-70>	3. Add hook 'ImgAuthBeforeStream' to allow custom checking
[02:44:24] <CIA-70>	4. Add globals wgImgAuthDetails,
[02:48:39] <chuck>	!class DatabaseBase
[02:48:39] --mwbot--	See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classDatabaseBase.html
[02:51:07] <chuck>	Should I do a selectDB( $wgSharedDB ); even if a field is in $wgSharedTables if the table i'm trying to access will never be outside of my shared DB?
[02:53:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  (10jack.pond)
[03:02:38] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) API loads unneeded things from LocalisationCache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20340  +comment (10tstarling)
[03:06:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) php error in LinkHolderArray - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20036  +comment (10bugs)
[03:09:44] <chuck>	Is there a name for the design pattern used by classes like Title (where there's a static method to create a new instance based on the name of the title as well as ways to build an instance based on parameters and stuff)
[03:09:50] <chuck>	29
[03:10:11] <Emufarmers>	Factory?
[03:10:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (oq9pscb02)
[03:10:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18590  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:12:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498  (10oq9pscb02)
[03:14:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18590  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:14:31] <chuck>	Emufarmers: okay
[03:15:17] <chuck>	Emufarmers: So would I name one o the static functions "newFromNameAndLanguage" if the parameters are $wiki_name and $language?
[03:15:22] <chuck>	that seems kind of wordy to me
[03:16:19] <Emufarmers>	How are you making it from both?
[03:17:00] <chuck>	Emufarmers: it's just how our tables are setup to work
[03:17:13] <chuck>	$language might have a default of 'en'
[03:17:24] <chuck>	or no, it'll be the default language of the wiki
[03:17:32] <chuck>	but yeah that's just how the tables work :P
[03:18:15] <Emufarmers>	Why would you need to pass in the language, then?  You can just use $wgContentLanguage or whatever
[03:18:39] <chuck>	This is for grabbing details about other wikis on yourwiki, not necessarily the current one
[03:19:07] <Emufarmers>	Sounds needlessly complicated. ^__^
[03:20:02] <chuck>	it's not
[03:20:14] <chuck>	but now that you mention it, I could make this even more complicated
[03:20:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18590  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:21:12] <Emufarmers>	Isn't this what $wgConf is for?
[03:21:25] <chuck>	no, $wgConf doesn't handle wiki farming
[03:21:42] <Emufarmers>	Have you looked at Extension:WikiFactory?
[03:23:26] <TimStarling>	newFromParams( array( 'wiki' => $wiki_name, 'language' => $language ) )
[03:23:46] <chuck>	seems like a wikia specific of Extension:Configure
[03:23:49] <chuck>	*version of
[03:25:47] <chuck>	TimStarling: is this the best way to check for the presence of required parameters if I'm using an argument style like that, or is there a better php-ninja way? http://gist.github.com/180712
[03:27:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Ukrainian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18590  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:29:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Russian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18594  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:29:56] <jdpond>	TimStarling: What do you think?  Configure illegal file characters - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20489
[03:30:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Russian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18594  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:30:59] <chuck>	Emufarmers: I'm going to be writing a special page to let wiki owners manage their wikis, but it's not going to be something like Extension:Configure
[03:31:59] <chuck>	it's kind of ridiculous that Wikia even put that extension on mediawiki.org, anyone that would even consider using that would be crazy :P
[03:32:58] <GreenReaper>	Yeah . . . I guess an editor would have to be crazy to want to be a wiki farmer . . .
[03:34:02] <p858snake>	just kidnap brion and force him to write the new db backend for the config >.>
[03:34:07] <TimStarling>	chuck: yes, it's acceptable
[03:34:21] <TimStarling>	jdpond: makes sense
[03:34:53] <jdpond>	TimStarling: anyone I should get onboard before committing?
[03:37:35] <TimStarling>	no
[03:39:14] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Configure illegal file characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20489  (10jack.pond)
[03:41:38] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r55801 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LocalisationCache.php: 
[03:41:38] <CIA-70>	Fix disabling of APC cache when loading message files: apc.enabled has been
[03:41:38] <CIA-70>	PHP_INI_SYSTEM since 3.0.13 but apc.cache_by_default works. This reduces the
[03:41:38] <CIA-70>	required APC cache space by about half on my test wiki, from 20MB to 10MB.
[03:44:27] <CIA-70>	03jdpond * r55802 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php GlobalFunctions.php): 
[03:44:27] <CIA-70>	Bug 20489 Configure illegal file characters https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20489
[03:44:27] <CIA-70>	$wgIllegalFileChars configurable to add chars for filename automatically converted to "-".
[03:45:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Configure illegal file characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20489  (10jack.pond)
[03:47:43] <GreenReaper>	TimStarling: Good call w.r.t. cache files - didn't realize you could do that on the fly. We had them manually excluded in APC config. (Bonus points if you can share them between languages on the same server - we set them all to use our shared media pool prefix but that won't work for everyone. :-)
[03:53:49] <CIA-70>	03jdpond * r55803 10/trunk/extensions/NSFileRepo/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
[03:53:49] <CIA-70>	Version 1.0 will run without patches on 1.16.
[03:53:49] <CIA-70>	Also includes simplified (and MUCH more efficient) img_auth.php for versions 1.13-1.15
[03:59:16] <Emufarmers>	jpond, you sure like getting consensus.  Shouldn't you be editing Wikipedia or something? :)
[03:59:58] <p858snake>	ssh don't temp him Emufarmers
[04:01:18] <jdpond>	Emufarmers: I'm going to add that statement to my quotes file - I'm not sure my staff would agree with it.  I believe in getting consensus from those who are much smarter than I.
[04:02:33] <Splarka>	getting consensus = shifting blame
[04:04:20] <jdpond>	Emufarmers:  This may sound very sappy, but I stand in awe of how so few could produce a product that processes 1BB hits/day with 1MM updates.  I've managed staffs of thousands who did little more than produce paper.  It's an honor to work with such an effective group of people.  I am far less a consensus builder wit those who cannot produce so effectively.
[04:04:44] <chuck>	What does the "m" mean before variables in most of the classes?
[04:04:55] <Emufarmers>	member
[04:05:11] <chuck>	hmm
[04:05:24] <Emufarmers>	I think that's deprecated, though
[04:05:37] <Emufarmers>	Correct, Tim?
[04:06:06] <p858snake>	theres a page on the wiki that explains all the naming conventions and such
[04:06:36] <chuck>	I'll just go with it, it seems like a universal thing in MediaWiki-related code
[04:08:26] <jdpond>	Emufarmers: BTW, consensus building is not altruistic - it produces results.  I've been able to lower my budget by $5MM/year (40%) by using collaborative approaches - you're the next generation of technolgy.  http://wiki.montcopa.org/MediaWiki
[04:09:04] <p858snake>	!m Naming_conventions
[04:09:04] --mwbot--	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Naming_conventions
[04:09:34] <Emufarmers>	jdpond: I imagine a few of your people did most of the work; the same is true of MediaWiki, but since it's a self-selecting community, we don't have the same worthless leeches companies end up with.
[04:09:47] <Emufarmers>	Well, not as many worthless leeches, anyway; they let me in here, after all.
[04:09:49] <jdpond>	BINGO!!!!
[04:14:53] <jdpond>	Emufarmers: I'll deny I ever said this, but the first think I do with a resume that has CPM (certified project manager) on it is see how close to the trash can it will fly.
[04:14:54] <Emufarmers>	Well, it's good that you're giving some of that back.  Most corporations take MW in, modify it for their own needs, and never share that with everybody else; that's not the worst thing in the world, but it leads to a lot of duplicated effort.
[04:15:10] <Emufarmers>	:-)
[04:15:44] <jdpond>	When I retire, my ambition is to become a full time open source developer - I hate management!!
[04:16:00] <jdpond>	But it does pay the bills.
[04:19:34] <jdpond>	BTW, NASA has also done some great stuff with usability that I've leveraged, so has NSA, not just MediaWiki, but also Bugzilla . . .  See https://svn.montcopa.org/publicviewvc, , https://bugzilla.montcopa.org/  not all gov entities are the evil empire!
[04:30:06] <jdpond>	If you want to see something REALLY cool, check here. http://it.usaspending.gov/?q=content/dashboard.  The more I can expose information, the better (and more efficient) gov will be.  "That government is best which governs least" - Henry David Thoreau, from Civil Disobedience (1817 – 1862)
[04:31:03] <Emufarmers>	Delicious pie chart
[04:31:09] <Emufarmers>	Check your PMs
[04:35:13] <jdpond>	Although I was able to work with Dr. Halamka to promote the Stanford Grant, it's  a weird proposition that I can attribute ~$2MM/year savings to MediaWiki and other collaborative technologies, I am not allowed to fund a grant of even $100K.   Yet the same set of rules has no compunction about a direct payout of over $1.5/yr for MS licensing.  Jaberwokky!
[04:35:59] <jdpond>	That was $1.5MM
[04:36:13] <jdpond>	and Jabberwokky
[04:36:55] <Splarka>	"Do not feed the open source community"
[04:37:01] <Emufarmers>	Corporations/governments will always prefer to throw money at something they know rather than branching out
[04:37:32] <jdpond>	If I was a conspiracy theorist . . . I'd definitely be seeing some UFO's here.
[04:40:01] <jdpond>	I gave a presentation to some top execs (including the PM for Azure) about collaborative devl approaches.  There was a Stanford Post-Doc at the table who was silent the entire time.  After battling the "establishiment" for almost 4 hours, I asked the post-doc what he thought.  One of the most eloquent responses I've ever heard.  "DUH".
[04:47:34] <jdpond>	Don't rank on the geriatric crowd.  Most of us passed our "peter principle" years ago.  The reaction you noted ('do not feed the open source community') is not based on fear, but on a simple fact of ignorance.  In 5, at most 10 years, that era will have passed.  In the mean time, the innovators will be blowing past us.
[04:54:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error: 1146 Table 'testwiki.l10n_cache' doesn't exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20471  (10g.m.hagedorn)
[04:54:58] <Splarka>	jdpond: to them it is just turning the world upside down, eh? http://www.mapcenter.com/addon_pics/hema_wor_up_01.jpg
[05:02:53] <jdpond>	Splarka:   Many years ago I worked with a Dr. Jill Green at Honeywell - an Aussie.  We  reprogrammed her screen saver ( a 3270 terminal) so that it showed a continuous digital clock - upside down.
[05:04:16] <Splarka>	was it at least set to Sydney time?
[05:05:01] <jdpond>	I think we just did it 12 hours from Phoenix (AZ) time.  She appreciated the gesture!
[05:05:23] <Splarka>	>_<
[05:06:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mediawiki rev. 55803: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /usr/share/mediawikistaging/extensions/SmoothGallery/SmoothGalleryClass.php on line 23 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in ... extensions/SmoothGallery... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20499 blocker; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: ScanSet; (g.m.hagedorn)
[05:06:29] <jdpond>	Splarka: Are you in Sydney?
[05:07:52] <Splarka>	jdpond: no
[05:07:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mediawiki rev. 55803 + SmoothGallery: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20499  summary (10g.m.hagedorn)
[05:48:19] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[05:49:15] <GreenReaper>	Hey hey.
[05:50:14] <Emufarmers>	rar
[05:58:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SmoothGallery: PHP warning with MW trunk - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20499  04BLOCKER->normal; summary (10tstarling)
[06:12:27] <mibbim>	how do i check if the user is editing a talk page? (php extension issue)
[06:13:18] <Splarka>	which hook(s)?
[06:13:29] <Splarka>	(or is that your question, heh)
[06:14:09] <mibbim>	well. the hook doesn't matter really. i just need to know where to peek at (title?)
[06:14:25] <mibbim>	basically i have a simple form extension running. i want to disable it on the talk page
[06:15:12] <Splarka>	$title->getNamespace() ?
[06:16:04] <mibbim>	oh. got it! Title::isTalkPage :)
[06:16:08] <mibbim>	great
[06:19:19] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55804 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[06:19:19] <CIA-70>	Follow-up to r55800
[06:19:19] <CIA-70>	* update messages.inc to correctly create subgroup img_auth
[06:19:19] <CIA-70>	* rebuild messages files
[06:42:29] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55805 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Remove title case in 'img-auth-accessdenied'
[06:44:19] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55806 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Use consistent quotes in new messages (r55800)
[06:51:51] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r55807 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (Maintenance.php doMaintenance.php): Fix potential arbitrary script execution vulnerability. Doesn't seem to be exploitable with a default install of PHP, but it might be possible with third-party extensions enabled.
[06:55:33] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55808 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove unused message 'img-auth-desc' (r55800)
[06:59:58] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55809 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweak 'img-auth-nologinnWL' (r55800)
[07:01:42] <needhelp1>	is their a guide on how to create a project on mediawiki 
[07:02:01] <needhelp1>	opps i ment portal
[07:02:01] <Annemarie>	What do you mean by "project"?
[07:02:10] <Annemarie>	You mean adding a namespace?
[07:03:31] <needhelp1>	<<-- looking up namespace now
[07:04:14] <Splarka>	step 1. attract users, step 3. profit
[07:05:49] <needhelp1>	Annemarie: so the wikipedia "portals" is just a namespace correct?
[07:06:00] <Annemarie>	Yep.
[07:06:03] <Annemarie>	!extranamespace | needhelp1
[07:06:03] --mwbot--	needhelp1: To add a namespace, modify your LocalSettings.php file, and add namespaces via $wgExtraNamespaces. A comprehensive set of instructions for adding a namespace can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces>. $wgExtraNamespaces can also be used to rename the default namespaces.
[07:06:27] <Annemarie>	On the English Wikipedia, Portal: and Portal_talk: are just namespaces 100 and 101.
[07:06:51] <needhelp1>	ahh interesting.. and to add a category is just adding the page "Category:Namehere " correct?
[07:07:22] <Annemarie>	[[Category:Foo]] in the page text.
[07:07:40] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, can you actually rename the default namespaces with $wgExtraNamespaces?
[07:07:59] <p858snake>	its perferred to use the aliases command iirc
[07:08:05] <Annemarie>	Emufarmers: Yup.
[07:08:16] <Annemarie>	I think I may have added that?
[07:08:29] <Emufarmers>	All the more reason for me to be suspicious of it. :D
[07:08:37] <Annemarie>	p858snake: Aliases don't set a different default.
[07:10:36] <needhelp1>	Annemarie: by any chance can you link me to a guide on how to add templates
[07:10:46] <needhelp1>	{{templatename}}
[07:11:09] <Emufarmers>	needhelp1: there's this awesome website called mediawiki.org.  It has a search field and everything.
[07:11:20] <mibbim>	omg. a search field
[07:11:32] <Splarka>	Emufarmers: [citation needed]
[07:12:02] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:Magic_words&diff=274335&oldid=274049
[07:12:04] <Splarka>	wat
[07:12:15] <Splarka>	was rob church making schema changes in 1.15?
[07:13:17] <Emufarmers>	From now on we should just blame everything on Rob Church
[07:13:46] <Emufarmers>	What's he gonna do?
[07:13:51] *Emufarmers 	checks the locks on his door
[07:14:13] <Splarka>	he might rob a church?
[07:14:44] <AaronSchulz>	:/
[08:02:16] <CIA-70>	03tstarling * r55810 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (5 files): 
[08:02:16] <CIA-70>	* Rewrote commandLine.inc to be a simple wrapper around Maintenance.php
[08:02:16] <CIA-70>	* Don't show help if the first argument is "help", only show it if there is a "--help" option. That makes more sense for the scripts that accept filenames as parameters and is the backwards-compatible behaviour.
[08:02:16] <CIA-70>	* Renamed spawnChild() to runChild(), spawn implies creating a new process to run simultaneously with the old one
[08:02:18] <CIA-70>	* Removed error_reporting override, that's a matter for local policy
[08:02:20] <CIA-70>	* s/private/protected
[08:55:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) 'Has default form' could work in regular pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19954  +comment (10mail)
[09:01:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 'Edit with form' tab in Category:... pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20500 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (mail)
[09:05:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export ignores parameters limit, dir and offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18180  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[10:23:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Links in nowiki tags should not bypass the spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20501 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (lastword)
[10:36:52] <CIA-70>	03nikerabbit * r55811 10/trunk/extensions/WikimediaMessages/WikimediaGrammarForms.php: New grammar forms for a new project, patch by str4nd
[10:37:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create a wiki for the Finnish chapter Wikimedia Suomi - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20502 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (str4nd)
[11:03:10] <konnertz>	Class LanguageDe not found; skipped loading
[11:03:23] <konnertz>	in my debug log - is this a problem? 
[11:04:00] <konnertz>	Because pages with umlauts in title are show as fresh pages after my server migration
[11:04:32] <svip>	konnertz: Sounds like an encoding screw up during migration.
[11:04:46] <konnertz>	yep.
[11:05:26] <konnertz>	i can tell another symptom:  site should be in utf8 according to meta tag
[11:05:45] <svip>	konnertz: What does your webserver deliver?
[11:05:46] <konnertz>	navigation etc., everything except for content , ist
[11:06:30] <konnertz>	content is in iso8859-15 , i set firefox encoding manually.
[11:06:36] <zai>	hey all :-) Question: does the mediawiki software somehow prohibit {{subst:article in main namespace}} ? it doesn't seem to work for me...
[11:12:16] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55812 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: 
[11:12:16] <CIA-70>	PovWatch not longer used on WMF projects:
[11:12:16] <CIA-70>	http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/index.php?title=Server_admin_log&diff=22085&oldid=22084
[11:20:06] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55813 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/MediaWikiExtensions.php: 
[11:20:06] <CIA-70>	Update comments only: PDHhandler enabled WMF wide a few days ago.
[11:20:06] <CIA-70>	ContributionReporting/Tracking enabled permantly on WMF wiki
[11:38:17] <zai>	I think, the problem might be that it looks in the template namespace by default, unless otherwise specified... and since the main namespace is lacking a prefix, it can't be used for that namespace. or does anyone know of a workaround? to repro, try {{subst:Questionable_Content}} somewhere in the English wikipedia
[11:39:58] <zai>	tried {{subst::Name}} and {{subst:{{ns:0}}:Name}} without luck
[11:43:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Handling of tel: URIs in SMW is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20503 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (richard)
[11:43:42] <zai>	oh... nvm. {{subst::Name}} works. *d'oh* ^^ 
[11:44:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Handling of tel: URIs in SMW is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20503  (10richard)
[11:54:31] <tyw7>	!help bug with commonshelper
[11:54:31] --mwbot--	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/botbrain.html >
[11:54:49] <tyw7>	UNKNOWN TAG : 'FONT'! Please note this error, the project, language, and filename to the author so it can be fixed!
[11:54:58] <tyw7>	avar: 
[11:54:59] <tyw7>	ane
[11:55:08] <tyw7>	Annemarie: 
[11:56:14] <tyw7>	anyone here?
[12:02:16] <tyw7>	JeroenDeDauw: bug with commons helper: UNKNOWN TAG : 'FONT'! Please note this error, the project, language, and filename to the author so it can be fixed!
[12:02:49] <mindrones>	hi, I'm trying to put html comments in the html code resulting from my wiki pages but how can I say wiki not to strip away comments? I saw this page but it isn't working http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec/BNF/Noparse-block#Html
[12:03:34] <mindrones>	I need that to filter the html resulting from my wiki
[12:03:57] <tyw7>	mindrones: bugs with common helper please comfirm
[12:04:00] <tyw7>	* confirm
[12:06:08] <mindrones>	tyw7 how?
[12:06:50] <tyw7>	try moving images?
[12:07:02] <p858snake>	tyw7: you will have to contact the person that runs the said script on the tool server
[12:07:24] <tyw7>	he is not here?
[12:08:23] <p858snake>	"Note: There is an unknown issue with CommonsHelper at the moment. If it doesn't work for you, please try its successor."
[12:08:51] <tyw7>	both is broken
[12:08:52] <p858snake>	tyw7: try using http://toolserver.org/~commonshelper2/ instead
[12:09:03] <tyw7>	broken as well
[12:09:16] <tyw7>	UNKNOWN TAG : 'FONT'! Please note this error, the project, language, and filename to the author so it can be fixed!
[12:09:17] <p858snake>	report it onto jira then https://jira.ts.wikimedia.org/browse/MAGNUS
[12:09:41] <tyw7>	done i think
[12:10:13] <p858snake>	*https://jira.toolserver.org//browse/MAGNUS
[12:11:15] <tyw7>	can you check, I'm pretty sure i;ve uploaded
[12:21:14] <CIA-70>	03purodha * r55814 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: 
[12:21:14] <CIA-70>	Errors in message text corrected according to suggestions by Purodha at
[12:21:14] <CIA-70>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Support&oldid=1472122#Mwe-read_before_embed
[12:21:14] <CIA-70>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Support&oldid=1472122#mwe-no_import_by_url
[12:33:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Links in nowiki tags should not bypass the spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20501  (10innocentkiller)
[12:35:42] <mindrones>	<tyw7> mindrones: bugs with common helper please comfirm --> didnt understand that :)
[12:36:51] <^demon>	TimStarling: I saw your cleanup to /maintenance. Thanks.
[12:40:29] <p858snake>	mindrones: don't worry about him
[12:40:52] <^demon>	p858snake: He's still around?
[12:41:00] <p858snake>	hes gone now
[12:41:38] <p858snake>	he should be banned for being disruptive.... he asked everyone that moved a inch whilst he was in here
[12:42:09] *^demon 	is reminded of the crap during the last downtime.
[12:43:14] <flyingparchment>	^demon: same guy, isn't it?
[12:43:20] <p858snake>	yes
[12:43:30] <p858snake>	hes be banned from here before
[12:43:38] <p858snake>	and almost all of the other wikimedia channels
[12:43:38] <mindrones>	anyone knows how to let wiki slip a html comment in resulting html?
[12:44:00] <mindrones>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec/BNF/Noparse-block#Html doen't seem to help
[12:44:05] <ozoone>	can the xml dump be incomplete, lacking some lines, and be imported without errors?
[12:44:26] *^demon 	will keep that in mind next time he comes around.
[12:44:42] <^demon>	ozoone: If it's not well-formed XML then no.
[12:46:06] <mindrones>	in other words can I escape a <!-- comment --> so that it goes right away in html code?
[12:46:19] <ozoone>	can it lack id, pagerevision, timestamp and contributor?
[12:46:55] <khannz>	Hi guys, who can help me with LDAP authorisation setup? Using MediaWiki 1.15
[12:47:51] <theocrite>	Hi !
[12:48:22] <ozoone>	I did many search and replace runs to generate htmls that contain the article's  text and html tags but everything else that wasn't inside the article's div
[12:48:27] <theocrite>	How can I reset the password of a user that didn't fill her email address in her profile ?
[12:48:40] <flyingparchment>	theocrite: set the user.user_password field in the database
[12:48:45] <^demon>	oozProbably a bad idea.
[12:49:06] <theocrite>	I trid to set the email in the dtabase (UPDATE user SET user_password=mypassword) but it didn't work :/
[12:49:07] <flyingparchment>	theocrite: sorry, i mean the user_email field
[12:49:15] <flyingparchment>	theocrite: _dont_ set password.. just set the email so they can reset it themselves
[12:49:43] <theocrite>	I also tried the user_email, but the login still tells me "no email for this user" :|
[12:49:43] <^demon>	Or optionally use the changePassword.php maintenance script, if you have command line access.
[12:50:00] <theocrite>	^demon: thanks I'll try this
[12:52:43] <khannz>	Guys'n'girls, please help me setup LDAPauthorization?
[12:52:58] <khannz>	what extension should i use?
[12:53:16] <ozoone>	quick test, exported a page, deleted timestamp, contributor and id, successfully imported back
[12:54:09] <CIA-70>	03emiller * r55815 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/ (SpecialGoogleMapsKML.php export/GoogleMapsImgExporter.php): 
[12:54:09] <CIA-70>	* Support v2 of Static Maps API (v1 is deprecated)
[12:54:09] <CIA-70>	* Fix links generated by Special:GoogleMapsKML
[12:55:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:GoogleMapsKML typos its own name, leading to inaccessible page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20457  +comment (10emmiller)
[12:55:50] <CIA-70>	03demon * r55816 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/checkUsernames.php: doMaintenance.php -> DO_MAINTENANCE
[12:57:50] <theocrite>	the changePassword.php doesn't work either :(
[12:58:25] <theocrite>	I tryied to se a dumb password, with only ascii letters so there can't be any mistakes... But it fails :/
[12:59:11] <flyingparchment>	just set the email
[13:00:00] <^demon>	theocrite: Elaborate on "fails." Does the script fail--and if so, is there an error? Or do you mean the script completes, but you can't login with that password?
[13:00:31] <theocrite>	flyingparchment: I tried already. I checked thousand times. I don't understand. I'm about to get crazy. I probably forgot something dumb, but I can't figure what.
[13:00:59] <theocrite>	^demon: actually the script doesn't return anything, but I still can't connect.
[13:02:28] <dbecker>	Hello! I don't know if I'm asking in the right place. The special page export is the better way to get a good backup of my wiki. MySQL backup/restore doesn't work when updating mediawiki (at least for me). But with the "export" special page generates an xml that doesn't include the stats for every page. So I loose the stats in every mediawiki ugrade.
[13:02:48] <flyingparchment>	dbecker: it does work when updating mediawiki.  you should work out the problem you have with that instead of using a different method.
[13:03:00] <flyingparchment>	dbecker: remember you have to either run the database updated or the installer when upgrading, to get schema changes applied
[13:03:11] <dbecker>	My wish is that the xml generated with export page includes the stats for every page
[13:03:24] <^demon>	dbecker: It doesn't do that.
[13:03:39] <^demon>	theocrite: Weird.
[13:03:48] <dbecker>	flyingpgparchment: let me tell you what happened to me
[13:06:21] <dbecker>	flyingpgparchment: when I updated from 1.13 (or one before) to 1.14, one table was added. Then I couldn't use the .sql file from MySQL because of that new table. There was a problem related with table indexes, some pages turned inaccesibles from some links inside the wiki.
[13:06:50] <flyingparchment>	dbecker: you should import the sql first
[13:06:56] <flyingparchment>	the installer will apply the necessary changes
[13:08:20] <dbecker>	flyingpgparchment: well, it seems that it doesn't work that way in a Fedora update. It is automatic and I realised the wiki was broken when I needed to open one wiki page I usually don't use too much.
[13:08:43] <dbecker>	flyingpgparchment: the point is that there is a solution
[13:08:57] <CIA-70>	03thomasv * r55817 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DjVuImage.php: follow-up to r55768
[13:09:29] <dbecker>	flyingpgparchment: and it is to use Export and list all the pages I want to backup, update (with packagekit) and later import that xml
[13:10:17] <dbecker>	flyingpgparchment: the only problem is that I loose the statistics for every page. Maybe a new tag for the stat for every page may be included in that xml !  That's my wish.
[13:11:27] *^demon 	stabs the fedora update
[13:11:35] <^demon>	s/update/package
[13:12:29] <dbecker>	flyingpgparchment: If wikimedia team would consider adding that stat to the xml file, would you please consider adding a Special:ExportEverything page that would export all the local mediawiki pages to the xml file too.
[13:13:14] <theocrite>	Ok I found what was wrong. There was a memcahed on the server. I just had to restart it. -_-
[13:13:24] <^demon>	theocrite: Yay. Working now?
[13:13:43] <theocrite>	Yes.
[13:13:48] <theocrite>	Thank you for the help :)
[13:13:55] <^demon>	np
[13:14:10] <CIA-70>	03demon * r55818 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/changePassword.php: Actually return something useful on success
[13:15:02] <zai>	heyas!  I read a recent NY Times article about flagged revs and it implies that it's just added for "living people" on the english wikipedia so far. ( http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/technology/internet/25wikipedia.html ) did you somehow manage to restrict the revision to that subset of articles? I'm working on another Wiki at the moment and we'd like to have this revision control only for certain articles. however, the "accidental" revew
[13:15:03] <zai>	s of other articles are spreading and we can't easily take these off the revision cycle. so is there a way to restrict that? 
[13:15:44] <zai>	gwern over at #Wikipedia said it might be connected to certain categories. does anyone know?
[13:15:49] <MaxSem>	why aren't third-party packages discouraged in the docs, if they cause that many problems and are pretty often out of date?
[13:16:37] <^demon>	MaxSem: docs/distributors.txt exists so they can hopefully make their packages sane.
[13:17:25] <^demon>	I tried the Ubuntu package awhile back and it installed pretty sanely out of the box. So they're not inherently bad. Package maintainers just have this habit of moving our directory structure around, which tends to break things.
[13:28:24] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: still have that suggestion code you wrote?
[13:28:57] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, it's *somewhere* in a pastebin; I PMed you the link, check your chat logs
[13:29:14] <RoanKattouw>	Actually that means no, I don't have it ^^
[13:29:32] <werdna>	http://dpaste.org/LRQT/
[13:29:33] <werdna>	got it
[13:29:59] <werdna>	what's the .suggestions()?
[13:30:16] <CIA-70>	03jeroendedauw * r55819 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Added $wgHooks['ParserFirstCallInit']
[13:30:55] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: That one actually activates the suggestions
[13:31:07] <RoanKattouw>	(common style for jQuery UI plugins, thought I'd mimick it)
[13:31:22] <RoanKattouw>	The plugin itself is in jquery.suggestions.js in the UsabilityInitiative extension
[13:32:25] <werdna>	ah
[13:32:29] <werdna>	so it needs a particular plugin
[13:32:29] <werdna>	I don't know much about jQuewry plugins
[13:32:39] <RoanKattouw>	Basically the calling convention is suggestions( 'property' ); gets a property, suggestions( 'property', 'value' ); sets one, suggestions( { 'prop1': 'val1', 'prop2': 'val2', ... } ); sets a bunch of them, suggestions(); does the actual work
[13:32:46] <RoanKattouw>	There's not much to know about them
[13:32:53] <RoanKattouw>	You just need to include that .js file
[13:33:28] <RoanKattouw>	They're in http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/js/plugins/
[13:40:04] <werdna>	how does one include a JS file properly? Do I need to use the script loader in some way?
[13:40:15] <werdna>	4
[13:40:17] <werdna>	4dfafdafdas
[13:41:23] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Use $wgOut->addScriptFile() from PHP if possible
[13:41:41] <RoanKattouw>	Or add a <script> tag
[13:41:50] <RoanKattouw>	I have no idea how the script loader works, ask Michael
[13:44:14] <werdna>	pesky server is broken
[13:44:58] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: There's a missing single quote in that snippet of mine BTW
[13:45:36] <werdna>	yeah, I noticed
[13:46:21] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: does it need to be loaded before or after jQuery itself?
[13:47:02] <RoanKattouw>	After
[13:48:45] <peder>	hmmm... {{#if:...}} broke when i upgraded...
[13:48:52] <RoanKattouw>	peder: Broke how?
[13:49:16] <peder>	just prints {{#if: and }
[13:49:33] <peder>	and does the stuff in between
[13:49:35] <RoanKattouw>	Did you upgrade ParserFunctions as well?
[13:49:44] <peder>	probably not
[13:49:53] <MaxSem>	you should
[13:50:52] <sven^>	Is there any dev-guide explaining the database scheme? Like how do I get all the revision ids of the current revisions of a given category?
[13:51:11] <peder>	guess so :)
[13:51:15] <RoanKattouw>	!man Database_layout | sven^
[13:51:15] --mwbot--	sven^: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[13:51:28] <RoanKattouw>	sven^: That one's a little outdated though
[13:51:39] <sven^>	yeah, I realized that.
[13:51:59] <RoanKattouw>	The full schema is at http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/tables.sql?view=markup , there's some comments explaining what stuff is
[13:52:21] <sven^>	I am having trouble to determine which rev is the current. Is that stored anywhere?
[13:52:23] <sven^>	thanks
[13:52:29] <RoanKattouw>	sven^: page.page_latest
[13:53:29] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: also, recommendations for a way to prompt for an edit summary?
[13:53:50] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: For the category add thing? Just generate one?
[13:54:13] <werdna>	jQuery dialog and such?
[13:54:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inclusion of special pages with parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2447  (10gangleri)
[13:56:24] <RoanKattouw>	I guess you *could* use jQuery dialog in theory, but why would you even bother? Current category add/remove tools also autogenerate their summaries
[13:57:19] <werdna>	well, I think it's also important to have a confirmation screen.
[13:57:26] <werdna>	enwiki would never go for it without one
[13:58:12] <RoanKattouw>	Hm
[13:58:37] <RoanKattouw>	In that case you might as well go the extra mile and allow people to add/remove multiple cats at once in that dialog
[13:58:41] <ozoone>	paragraph breaks in xml is just a space?
[13:58:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	How is "(added|removed) [[:Category:thing]]" not good enough? O____o
[13:59:30] <RoanKattouw>	ozoone: What do you mean "paragraph breaks"? There's no such thing in XML
[13:59:47] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: yeah, but it might make sense to allow people to explain why
[14:00:16] <ozoone>	A text with 3 paragraphs, what happens to the paragraphs in the xml dump?
[14:00:29] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Well if you're only asking for a summary, you could just use prompt()
[14:00:44] <werdna>	that's awful
[14:00:45] <RoanKattouw>	ozoone: The XML dump contains wikitext right?
[14:00:49] <ozoone>	yes
[14:01:08] <RoanKattouw>	Well in wikitext, paragraph breaks are newlines
[14:01:21] <flyingparchment>	two newlines
[14:01:23] <RoanKattouw>	So I'd expect them to be newlines in the XML dumps as wel
[14:01:26] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah two
[14:01:45] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: this is not 1999 :)
[14:01:56] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: OK, lemme quickly look something up, IIRC there is a way to easily to that with jQuery dialog
[14:02:30] <ozoone>	<text xml:space="preserve">     </text> the whole text looks like on paragraph in the xml
[14:02:48] <ozoone>	*one
[14:03:53] <werdna>	it's not XML marked up
[14:04:29] <Duesentrieb>	ozoone: the xml is just a wrapper around wikitext
[14:04:38] <Duesentrieb>	there is no xml markup for wikitext.
[14:05:15] <RoanKattouw>	Hm surprisingly Dialog doesn't have a usage mode à la prompt()
[14:05:46] <ozoone>	aaa.... in browser the whole text is "condensed"
[14:06:01] <ozoone>	but in notepad++ the line breaks are there
[14:06:24] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: yeah
[14:06:33] <werdna>	I guess I'll do it the hard way :)
[14:06:40] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah just write a dialog
[14:06:57] <werdna>	sigh 20 lines of code :P
[14:07:12] <CIA-70>	03alexsh * r55820 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update CentralNotice, Collection, CollectionCore zh-hant translation. code generate by translatewiki.
[14:07:29] <RoanKattouw>	hehe
[14:08:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) LIKE is completely broken for SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20275  +comment (10maxsem.wiki)
[14:08:18] <RoanKattouw>	You basically create a <div> somewhere in your document with the form in it (without buttons), then do $('#idOfMyDiv').dialog();
[14:08:42] <RoanKattouw>	Well with options of course, .dialog( objectWithOptions );
[14:09:11] <werdna>	yeah
[14:09:13] <RoanKattouw>	What really sucks is that the button captions are keys in the buttons object
[14:09:22] <RoanKattouw>	So localizing them is not trivial
[14:11:54] <mindrones>	I had some problems with my line, did someone read the question about comments in html code? sorry to ask again
[14:12:32] <RoanKattouw>	mindrones: Did you ask that question recently? I don't see it\
[14:13:12] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw ah thx, I'll repost, my line is going on and off buit xchat doesn't notify me soon so I could write to no one actually :)
[14:13:28] <mindrones>	<mindrones> how can I say wiki don't strip html comments and put them in resulting html code?
[14:13:29] <mindrones>	<mindrones> actually I had to put <html><!--comment--></html> but this required $wgRawHtml which is not that ok on a public and hightraffic wiki...
[14:13:29] <mindrones>	<mindrones> I need this to tag some part of the page :/
[14:13:58] <RoanKattouw>	Use a different way of tagging?
[14:14:04] <mindrones>	like?
[14:14:06] <RoanKattouw>	Like <div id="thisIsMyTag"></div>
[14:14:26] <mindrones>	ouch cool, I didn't think about that I'm dumb :)
[14:14:36] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw thx a lot, I must be tired :/
[14:15:58] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw by the way, I'd need to put an indentation in a index to show hierarchy please see this http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=Template:Subpages&action=edit
[14:16:34] <RoanKattouw>	Eh what?
[14:17:23] <mindrones>	now I use awful &nbsp; but I tried to use <div style="width:50px"></div> but no way to create indentation like that
[14:17:49] <RoanKattouw>	Use <ul> and <li> ?
[14:17:59] <RoanKattouw>	Or <dd> and <dt>
[14:18:11] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw look at the the  bottom here http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:Manual/Materials
[14:24:56] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw thx! :)
[14:26:25] <mindrones>	RoanKattouw I think I'll go with nested lists thx
[14:30:46] <werdna>	mornin' brion
[14:30:53] <brion>	what up
[14:30:53] <werdna>	brion: almost got that AJAX categories stuff done
[14:30:56] <werdna>	\o/
[14:30:56] <brion-breakfast>	whee
[14:31:05] <werdna>	fun distraction for a day or two :P
[14:31:13] *brion-breakfast 	spent all last night moving files between computers
[14:31:27] <werdna>	sounds great :P
[14:31:29] <brion-breakfast>	my wife's laptop hard drive went bad, and i'm switching computers to my shiny new macbook air :D
[14:31:47] <brion-breakfast>	reinstalling windows is just as annoying as i remember it
[14:31:57] <jlhenry>	How may I mass delete all images? I have empty /images dir, then truncated "image" and "oldimage" tables but there is still informations about images (namespace?!).
[14:32:07] <werdna>	you can't talk her into mac-ing it up?
[14:32:16] <brion-breakfast>	thankfully i had an ubuntu netbook remix usb stick to recover files from the bad drive ;)
[14:32:17] <brion-breakfast>	hehe
[14:32:21] <brion-breakfast>	only if she can play her games ;)
[14:32:22] <CIA-70>	03raymond * r55821 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[14:32:22] <CIA-70>	Make revdel input form more consistent with other forms:
[14:32:22] <CIA-70>	* Use CSS classes for input and label elements for default form design
[14:32:22] <CIA-70>	** Makes it RTL friendly too
[14:32:22] <CIA-70>	* Add a "Edit delete reasons" link
[14:32:23] <jlhenry>	I am doing this because I want to use only our share database
[14:32:25] <werdna>	jlhenry: you'll need to delete the image description pages
[14:32:31] <werdna>	brion-breakfast: WINE works well enough for me :D
[14:32:40] <werdna>	well, DARWINE
[14:32:43] <jlhenry>	werdna, one by one?
[14:32:53] <werdna>	jlhenry: well, II'd do it with this in eval.php
[14:33:07] <brion-breakfast>	jlhenry: deleteBatch.php may be your friend here
[14:33:32] <jlhenry>	brion-breakfast, thanks, and enjoy your breakfast :)
[14:33:37] <brion-breakfast>	nom nom nom
[14:34:13] <werdna>	$wgUser = User::newFromName( 'YourUserName' ); $dbr = wfGetDB( DB_SLAVE ); $res = $dbr->select( 'page', '*', array( 'page_namespace' => NS_FILE ) ); foreach( $res as $row ) { $page = Article::newFromRow( $row ); $page->doDeleteArticle( 'My reason', false, $page->getId() ) ; }
[14:34:17] <werdna>	:D
[14:35:53] <brion-breakfast>	would be nice if eval.php let you type in multiple lines
[14:35:57] <brion-breakfast>	maybe integrate a text editor ;))
[14:37:07] <apergos>	hahaha
[14:37:35] <apergos>	(I've written entire long stanzas... all on one line, for eval.php. readline is your friend!)
[14:37:49] <werdna>	<3 eval.php
[14:37:49] <werdna>	srsly
[14:37:54] <apergos>	yeah, no joke
[14:38:02] <RoanKattouw>	We could at least do something like bash and MySQL where it sees from the syntax that the statement's not finished yet and lets you continue
[14:38:51] <apergos>	just put \ after the ; in the terminal
[14:38:56] <apergos>	won't that get you? 
[14:39:31] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: that sounds hard
[14:39:32] <apergos>	(haven't tried it, I do like everyone else, one huge several-line "line")
[14:39:47] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah it probably is
[14:44:59] <dD0T>	Hello all, does anyone got a clue where I can find people willing to create a mediawiki skin for an open source software project?
[14:50:22] <CIA-70>	03dale * r55822 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:50:22] <CIA-70>	* added some file checks
[14:50:22] <CIA-70>	* removed depreciated cortado_iframe.php
[14:50:22] <CIA-70>	* added init values for wgJSAutoloadClasses and wgJSAutoloadLocalClasses
[14:51:40] <werdna>	mdale: poke
[14:51:44] <mdale>	yo
[14:51:56] <werdna>	got a few questions about JS2
[14:52:00] <mdale>	oky
[14:52:57] <werdna>	mdale: I'm doing this, and it seems to only use the fallback
[14:53:02] <werdna>	loadGM( {'ajax-add-category':'Add Category', 'ajax-add-category-submit':'Add'} );
[14:53:11] <werdna>		addLink.text( gM( 'ajax-add-category' ) );
[14:53:11] <mdale>	is it running through the script server? 
[14:53:20] <werdna>	what do you mean
[14:54:06] <mdale>	is $wgEnableScriptLoader = true 
[14:54:15] <mdale>	in localSettings.php
[14:57:32] <werdna>	I have JS2 on, haven't set that on though
[14:58:21] <werdna>	mdale: is on now, still hitting the fallback
[14:58:36] <mdale>	hmm
[14:59:34] <mdale>	ajax-add-category is a actual msg and everything ? what is it set to in php... what is the request url and output of the mwScriptLoader.php ?
[15:00:02] <werdna>	'ajax-add-category'			   => '[Add Category]',
[15:00:07] <werdna>	in MessagesEn.php
[15:00:34] <werdna>	No XHRs
[15:01:06] <Kfir>	what should i use to run my sql query? (to get tables prefixes, escaping etc)
[15:01:42] <mdale>	No XHRs?
[15:02:02] <werdna>	There are no XHRs happening
[15:02:04] <werdna>	according to firebug
[15:02:28] <Kfir>	never mind that, found what i was looking for :)
[15:02:45] <mdale>	werdna: right... it should all be packaged in your single js include
[15:02:55] <mdale>	have to view src
[15:03:10] <werdna>	oh I see
[15:03:12] <mdale>	are you using $wgOut->addClass() to add your javascript? 
[15:03:17] <werdna>	http://localhost/wiki/mwScriptLoader.php?class=window.jQuery,mv_embed,wikibits&urid=239_0
[15:03:23] <werdna>	no
[15:03:25] <mdale>	and your js
[15:03:27] <mdale>	ah...
[15:03:49] <mdale>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ScriptLoader#How_to_use_the_ScriptLoader_in_your_Extension
[15:04:49] <werdna>	ah, handy
[15:08:03] <werdna>	mdale: where should I add to the JSAutoloadClasses array for a core module?
[15:08:49] <mdale>	yea
[15:09:03] <mdale>	see the AutoLoader javascript section ;)
[15:09:10] <fr00d>	Hello!
[15:10:11] <CIA-70>	03purodha * r55823 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: 
[15:10:11] <CIA-70>	"QuickTime" spelling corrected according to request of EugeneZelenko at
[15:10:11] <CIA-70>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Support&oldid=1472179#Mwe-ogg-player-quicktime-mozilla
[15:10:13] <fr00d>	Is there a possibility to check the speed of my databaseserver with mediawikisoftware? I think my mediawiki reacts that slow because of that server.
[15:11:11] <fr00d>	If this is possible I need some reference values to check if this is really the problem.
[15:11:16] <werdna>	Error With ScriptLoader.php ::Could not parse JSON language msg in File:
[15:11:17] <werdna>	skins/common/ajaxcategories.js
[15:11:18] <werdna>	:(
[15:12:15] <werdna>	mdale: :?
[15:12:35] <mdale>	you have to use json
[15:12:52] <mdale>	so "keys" for both keys and "values"
[15:13:01] <mdale>	double quotes I mean
[15:13:20] <werdna>	loadGM( {'ajax-add-category':'Add Category', 'ajax-add-category-submit':'Add'} );
[15:13:23] <werdna>	ah, double quotes
[15:13:47] <werdna>	that's odd
[15:13:57] <mdale>	its just php's json parser 
[15:14:50] <mdale>	json_decode
[15:22:10] <mdale>	werdna: did it work? 
[15:22:56] <jlhenry>	werdna, unable to make your eval.php code work.
[15:23:47] <jlhenry>	Fatal error: Call to undefined method Article::newfromrow() in /srv/www/files/fr.ekopedia.org/w/maintenance/eval.php(60) : eval()'d code on line 1
[15:28:48] <Kfir>	how can i add a limit to a select query generated from Database::select ? I looked at Database::makeSelectOptions which is the function the should handle the required limit and I noticed that the lines that add the limit part are commented
[15:29:22] <werdna>	jlhenry: well then I've made a mistake :P
[15:29:26] <werdna>	mdale: seems to work-ish
[15:29:33] <mdale>	hehe oky ;)
[15:30:07] <mdale>	not parsing the wikitext? 
[15:30:18] <mdale>	or what work-ish about it? 
[15:30:36] <werdna>	mdale: just feels a bit weird, but i guess it works :P
[15:31:01] <mdale>	avoids a round trip for msgs
[15:31:04] <CIA-70>	03dale * r55824 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/jsScriptLoader.php: * escaped a few more values
[15:33:45] <jlhenry>	werdna, have you got any idea how to mass delete files? Brion idea (deleteBatch.php) is not working as we are using shared images and it's trying to write access our shared repo.
[15:34:22] <jlhenry>	here is what I've used:
[15:34:23] <jlhenry>	$wgUser = User::newFromName( 'HertzZ' ); $dbr = wfGetDB( DB_SLAVE ); $res = $dbr->select( 'page', '*', array( 'page_namespace' => NS_FILE ) ); foreach( $res as $row ) { $page = Article::newFromRow( $row ); $page->doDeleteArticle( 'moved to Base', false, $page->getId() ) ; }
[15:35:07] <CIA-70>	03yaron * r55825 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/RELEASE-NOTES: Added more changes for SMW 1.4.3
[15:38:22] <werdna>	jlhenry: try Article::newFromId( $row->page_id ) instead
[15:40:45] <jlhenry>	werdna, I was so scared while it was running!!!!
[15:41:01] <jlhenry>	werdna, thanks a lot it's perfect :D
[15:48:43] <TeGek>	Ello
[15:49:48] <TeGek>	We've recently downloaded mediawiki for a joke project of ours and are looking for some extensions, Does anyone know a bot, Or something else that can automagicly sign everything on the talk page
[15:49:49] <LauraHale>	Hi
[15:50:02] <LauraHale>	I don't think so. :/
[15:50:11] <TeGek>	You're kidding me,right?
[15:50:44] <TeGek>	There is no script to add the -- ~~~ 
[15:50:46] <TeGek>	?
[15:51:19] <jdpond>	TeGek: DiscussionThreading
[15:51:44] <TeGek>	jdpond: thanks, I'll take a look at it.
[15:52:43] <TeGek>	This look great,Exactly what we wanted.
[15:54:14] <TeGek>	Now I'll think I have to code this myself but I'll try my luck: Is there any extension that reads the pages one by one and compares them to the index, And if words are found which are found in the index to automagicly make it the page link
[15:54:36] <theocrite>	~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/win 1
[15:54:40] <TeGek>	so for example: France would be changed to [[France]]
[15:54:41] <TeGek>	?
[16:00:34] <zrh>	I'm still try to solve a problem with generateSitemap.php … it seems that generateSitemap.php ignores the server option.
[16:00:36] <zrh>	Source: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/maintenance/generateSitemap.php?revision=55204&view=markup
[16:17:53] <dD0T>	Anyone got a clue where I can find people willing to create a mediawiki skin for an open source software project?
[16:21:06] <zrh>	Elance and similar Web sites?
[16:22:00] <jdpond>	Need help with documentation.  Releases last night introduced three configuration parameters.  $wgIllegalFileChars,$wgImgAuthDetails,$wgImgAuthPublicTest.  Will add a Manual: page for each, but; a) Is [[Manual:Configuration settings]] generated by bots, or should I also edit that page b) Should I document in release_notes? c) where else should I document to be thorough?
[16:22:27] <zrh>	Bye all!
[16:22:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SmoothGallery: PHP warning with MW trunk - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20499  (10brion)
[16:22:46] <RoanKattouw>	jdpond: There's no bots generating stuff on mw.org apart from the extension matrix AFAIK
[16:23:09] <RoanKattouw>	jdpond: You don't really need to document it anywhere else except in a comment above the default setting in DefaultSettings.php
[16:24:16] <jdpond>	d) or should I just blame it on Rob Church and leave it in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1
[16:28:46] <ialex>	RoanKattouw: mw.org is a plus ;)
[16:30:25] <jdpond>	I'm guessing should edit trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES directly then commit also?
[16:30:34] <juliano>	RoanKattouw: I don't think that the extension matrix bot is alive
[16:31:02] <juliano>	it has been dead for a few months already
[16:32:38] <jdpond>	Good to know about extension bot - guess I should manually edit that stuff too for NSFileRepo
[16:43:33] <CIA-70>	03werdna * r55826 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/images/ajax-loader.gif: Add a new AJAX spinner that doesn't suck. Generated at http://www.ajaxload.info/, which allows its generated loaders to be used freely for any purpose.
[16:46:20] <CIA-70>	03purodha * r55827 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesKsh.php: minor ksh localization update
[16:47:43] <werdna>	brion: hooray, something to replace the hideous thing we've used up until now
[16:49:11] <werdna>	mdale: Can I use newlines in my loadGM, or can I not break lines?
[16:49:50] <mdale>	werdna: I think inside of quotes you can't use literal newlines 
[16:50:01] <werdna>	I mean between items?
[16:50:05] <mdale>	sure 
[16:50:14] <mdale>	yea it makes things much easier to read ;)
[16:50:48] <mdale>	in fact you should match the layout of the other files... we have scripts to go from js -> php and php -> js
[16:51:32] <mdale>	although the scripts are setup to work with files in the js2 folder... which is where should put your script if it uses js2 stuff I think.. 
[16:51:38] <werdna>	can you give me an example?
[16:52:02] <mdale>	sure...
[16:52:28] <mdale>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libEmbedVideo/embedVideo.js?revision=55321&pathrev=55321
[16:52:43] <werdna>	cheers
[16:53:18] <mdale>	the scripts are here; http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/maintenance/mergeJavascriptMsg.php?view=markup
[16:53:43] <mdale>	might need some tweaking to work for you.. and probably not needed if you only have a few msgs ( rather than hundreds) 
[16:54:04] <werdna>	thanks very much
[16:54:10] <mdale>	no problem ;)
[16:55:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) return the number of items in a list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20504 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (catlow)
[16:56:49] <marty86>	hello. first time ever on mediawiki chat. programming extension for multiple uploads
[17:00:49] <werdna>	marty86: Generally if you don't ask your question, we can't answer it :)
[17:01:18] <marty86>	problem: in the editor, i click on my upload button, the local explorer opens up and i choolse, let's say, 5 files to upload. above the editor window, two bars appear: total progress and single file progress. if any error occured during the upload,
[17:02:30] <marty86>	i am unable to receive the error type
[17:03:01] <marty86>	i fill Special:Upload through Ajax
[17:03:59] <werdna>	mdale: also, do I have to do something special to make jQuery plugins load after jQuery itself?
[17:04:18] <mdale>	with js2 jquery should be loaded all the time
[17:04:32] <werdna>	yes, but plugins need to load after it, no?
[17:05:54] <mdale>	yea.. you can use mvJsLoader.doLoad 
[17:06:06] <mdale>	example:
[17:06:44] <mdale>	mvJsLoader.doLoad([
[17:06:44] <mdale>	   'mvFirefogg',
[17:06:44] <mdale>	   'mvFirefoggRender'
[17:06:44] <mdale>	],function(){
[17:06:44] <mdale>	//stuff to do now that mvFirefogg and mvFirefoggRender are ready
[17:06:45] <mdale>	}
[17:07:01] <werdna>	huh, handy
[17:07:03] <marty86>	i am able to POST several data and Submit the Special:Upload Page but not to reach the error type.
[17:08:26] <mdale>	you can see the list of jquery plugins class names in mv_embed.js lcPaths({ line 141 
[17:09:04] <mdale>	that JSON is copied over to the scriptLoader so its only maintained in one place...
[17:10:23] <werdna>	interesting
[17:11:46] <runlevel-work>	hi
[17:13:06] <werdna>	mdale: and where's the standard place to put jQuery plugins?
[17:13:37] <mdale>	/js2/mWEmbed/jquery/plugins/
[17:14:28] <mdale>	 /js2/mwEmbed/jquery/jquery.ui holds the ui plugins
[17:14:40] <mdale>	which could be updated and cleaned up a bit...
[17:14:51] <mdale>	(I think jquery.ui has done  a release recently... 
[17:16:54] <werdna>	aha, I'm trying to get UI Core
[17:17:26] <werdna>	it seems to be there, but not in Autoload.php
[17:17:34] <werdna>	maybe some other random file that you mentioned earlier...
[17:17:37] <mdale>	doLoad(['$j.ui'], function(){ //do whatever } ); 
[17:18:11] <mdale>	right ... all the javascript paths are defined in mv_embed.js that way without the script loader they work.. the scriptloader reads that JSON array to define the paths for all the js
[17:18:16] <werdna>	can I mark it as a dependency so it gets loaded with everything else?
[17:18:28] <werdna>	instead of another round trip?
[17:18:39] <werdna>	addScriptClass('$j.ui') when I add my class?
[17:18:56] <mdale>	nah.. this is at runtime we are talking about now...
[17:19:12] <werdna>	so I can't load it with the other scripts in the script loader?
[17:19:15] <mdale>	you could
[17:19:18] <mdale>	if you wanted to
[17:19:30] <werdna>	well that's preferable, it avoids another round trip
[17:19:48] <mdale>	hmm... well except that the new round trip is after the page is displayed
[17:19:54] <mdale>	and is only invoked if needed
[17:20:15] <mdale>	just depends how you want to distribute the load time. 
[17:20:41] <werdna>	hmm, maybe I could find some way of loading at runtime if somebody invokes my stuff
[17:20:48] <werdna>	might be a bit complicated and annoying though
[17:20:49] <mdale>	what is your thing?
[17:20:51] <mdale>	your working on?
[17:20:56] <werdna>	AJAX category editing
[17:21:35] <mdale>	I don't see a problem with throwing in a spinner and loading it once they click on "edit categories" 
[17:22:40] <werdna>	well, that's not quite what it would be, but yes, same principle
[17:22:40] <mdale>	do you have to do an ajax call when they click on edit categories or is it seeded from the page content? 
[17:22:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Request for "portal" namespace on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20505 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (serhat.er.95)
[17:23:13] <werdna>	it's seeded from page content
[17:23:23] <werdna>	and there's no [Edit Categories] button, although maybe that would be a good idea
[17:23:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request for "portal" namespace on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20505   +shell (10public)
[17:23:34] <werdna>	It just shows Add and Remove buttons from the get-go.
[17:24:02] <mdale>	is it in a demoable state.. can I check the code ?
[17:24:06] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55828 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (115 files): 
[17:24:06] <CIA-70>	* follow-up to r55821 (duplication of 'filedelete-edit-reasonlist' to 'revdelete-edit-reasonlist'): duplicate message in other languages
[17:24:06] <CIA-70>	* follow-up to r55808 (removal of 'img-auth-desc'): remove from other languages where present
[17:24:38] <mdale>	why do you need jquery.ui ? for that
[17:24:46] <werdna>	hmm, doLoad is not defined.
[17:24:52] <werdna>	Because I want to pop up a confirmation dialog.
[17:24:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global transclusion/userpage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16575  +comment (10richard)
[17:25:08] <mdale>	sorry mvJsLoader.doLoad
[17:25:44] <mdale>	maybe should shorten up that function name or add a shortcut ... something like mwLoad({
[17:25:47] <mdale>	?
[17:26:57] <werdna>	maybe
[17:27:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Render self-referring interwiki links as bold - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5126  (10richard)
[17:28:46] <mdale>	oky added ;)
[17:28:47] <CIA-70>	03dale * r55829 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/mv_embed.js: * added mwLoad shortcut to mvJsLoader.doLoad
[17:29:52] <brion>	hrm
[17:30:04] <brion>	is it just me or does maintenance/changePassword.php not do anything but spew a help message?
[17:30:51] <werdna>	it looks like it should work
[17:31:01] <werdna>	slap ^demon if it doesn't
[17:31:10] <brion>	aha it won't take input from stdin
[17:31:18] <brion>	you have to put the pass on the command line? that's godawful
[17:31:33] <mdale>	werdna: yea I would just load it after the page is ready .. and don't add your button bindings for remove / add until its ready... if you have a separate "edit categories" button where you can load everything you need that might be even better...  
[17:31:34] *werdna 	slaps jQuery Dialog about a bit.
[17:31:43] <brion>			$this->addOption( "password", "The password to use", true, true );
[17:31:48] <c3l>	how do I align all text in a table to center. not to center the full table, bu that all content is centered in each "box"
[17:31:49] <brion>	ugh two boolean parameters? what do they mean? :)
[17:31:51] <werdna>	mdale: I've found a clean way to do it
[17:32:01] <mdale>	what is that? 
[17:32:27] <werdna>	mdale: not working properly, I'll get to the bottom of it
[17:32:32] <werdna>	don't need hand-holding just yet :D
[17:32:37] <mdale>	oky ;)
[17:32:56] *brion 	gonna do some maintenenance script surgery on general principle :D
[17:35:37] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) return the number of items in a list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20504  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[17:35:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option on API lists to only have count of links/categories/whatever returned, rather than a full resultset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17993  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[17:38:24] <brion>	hrm, how do i get readline to not echo output
[17:39:52] <brion>	bah i'll leave it then :(
[17:41:03] <CIA-70>	03brion * r55830 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/changePassword.php: newline on that output so your terminal don't look funny :)
[17:42:07] *RoanKattouw 	slaps werdna back on behalf of jQuery Dialog
[17:42:33] <jlhenry>	No more images in /image folder, "image" and "oldimage" tables empty, and no more pages into NS_FILE but statistics still shows images. Any idea why?
[17:43:31] <RoanKattouw>	jlhenry: Look in the sitestats table
[17:44:33] <jlhenry>	RoanKattouw, I have done it, and table contain "425" in ss_images
[17:44:45] <RoanKattouw>	jlhenry: So set that field to 0
[17:44:55] <jlhenry>	:)
[17:45:09] <jlhenry>	How is this updated?
[17:45:16] <jlhenry>	How is this number updated?
[17:45:44] <RoanKattouw>	I suppose it's incremented/decremented every time you add/remove an image
[17:46:21] <^demon>	supposedly :0
[17:48:34] <^demon>	brion: I can say refrained from adding the newline after much deliberation. Over whether it was worth the 5 or so extra keystrokes for me to type it :p
[17:49:22] <brion>	Password set for WikiSysopAstralite:trunk brion$ 
[17:49:31] <brion>	^ no newline at program end is not cool :D
[17:50:12] <CIA-70>	03tparscal * r55831 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Another tiny change in response to recent changes in how we handle text size. This one adjusts the position of the simple search box.
[17:50:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Lua extension on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19298  +comment (10richard)
[17:50:57] <^demon>	brion: well seeing as you have fixed my laziness everyone can be happy. You get your newline and I still avoided the keystrokes :D
[17:51:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable StringFunctions on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455  +comment (10richard)
[17:51:26] *RoanKattouw 	wonders whether it's a good idea to add a unique index on a 700k-row table through the web interface
[17:51:43] <werdna>	^demon: you are so dead :p
[17:52:23] <brion>	:P
[17:53:27] <werdna>	hmm, jQuery dialogs seem to have a fixed width
[17:53:28] *^demon 	goes back to removing MW_SUPPORTS_PARSERFIRSTCALLINIT
[17:53:52] <werdna>	which is annoying when you want to add a big ass-textbox into them
[17:54:13] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: You can change the width in the settings
[17:54:28] <RoanKattouw>	$('#myDialog').dialog( { all kinds of crap here, 'width': 600 } );
[17:55:02] <RoanKattouw>	But you're right, I've been meaning to poke Trevor to get them to autoresize
[17:55:39] <werdna>	yeah, I did that
[17:55:44] <werdna>	except 450, not 600
[17:57:52] <werdna>	brb
[18:04:50] <dD0T>	Last try :-) Can anyone recommend me a place where could find someone willing to create a mediawiki skin for an open source software project ( http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ ). I have no clue how to find an helpfull mw community (google doesn't tell me what kind or how big the community is). Thanks.
[18:18:14] <jdpond>	dD0T: It's really not that hard to do - anyone with a little experience in PHP and css who's halfway competent could probably help you.  As far as specific recommendations for consultants with MediaWiki specific experience, I'd be interested to see the answer to that question too.
[18:18:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hide a person's edits from Recent changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15595  +comment (10federicoleva)
[18:19:09] <MrZ-man>	the trick is making a skin that won't require you to recode it every time you upgrade
[18:31:46] <CIA-70>	03dale * r55832 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/UsabilityInitiative.hooks.php: moved jquery.ui include to core scripts
[18:32:35] <CIA-70>	03alexsh * r55833 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesZh_hant.php: fix zh-hant string syntax
[18:33:01] <RoanKattouw>	mdale: Did you do that because JS2 doesn't have jQuery UI?
[18:33:59] <RoanKattouw>	mdale: (that = r55832)
[18:34:19] <mdale>	...yea.. but does not use the mwLoad(['$j.ui','$j.ui.tabs' etc], function(){//code to run now jquery ui is ready}
[18:34:43] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[18:43:28] <CIA-70>	03magnusmanske * r55834 10/trunk/wiki2xml/php/wiki2xml.php: template bug fix
[18:45:28] <dD0T>	jdpond: It's not a matter of skill in the programming area, I'm pretty sure all of our devs would be able to figure that out :-) More of time and feeling for style. Also since the project is OSS and we don't make any money out of it paying a consultant is out of our league. As I said I'm absolutely not familiar with the web development community so i find it hard to figure out the right place for this request.
[18:48:38] <maspsu>	hi, is there anybody here who can help me answer some basic questions on mediawiki?
[18:48:48] <maspsu>	i'm not sure if i'm at the right place
[18:48:52] <RoanKattouw>	There's lots of people here, just ask your questions
[18:50:07] <tommy_the-dragon>	i was wondering if someone could help me
[18:50:10] <maspsu>	ok, thanks. for background, i am a software developer, but have very little experience in the web world. i just setup my first wiki using mediawiki on a fedora 11 box using mysql and apache. when i connect to the wiki, it looks really crude.
[18:50:14] <tommy_the-dragon>	i have 2 questions to ask
[18:50:22] <tommy_the-dragon>	1. is there any way to change the type of license my wiki uses AFTER the installation?
[18:50:32] <maspsu>	like i don't see the nice "wikipedia" look, i'm not sure how that is done, it looks like old school html.
[18:50:36] <tommy_the-dragon>	 and 2. is it possible to import the mediawiki help:contents and all related pages automatically into my wiki.
[18:51:28] <RoanKattouw>	maspsu: There's probably something wrong with your style path causing the CSS files to be pulled from the wrong place. Can you link to your wiki?
[18:51:41] <tommy_the-dragon>	that would be my guess :p
[18:52:06] <tommy_the-dragon>	or its not linking them at all
[18:52:16] <RoanKattouw>	tommy_the-dragon: You can change your wiki license in LocalSettings.php , don't remember which var off the top of my head
[18:52:17] <maspsu>	unfortunately not as the wiki is on a private network. where are the css paths configured, perhaps i can debug them myself?
[18:52:25] <RoanKattouw>	maspsu: $wgStylePath
[18:52:26] <tommy_the-dragon>	ok ill have a look
[18:52:43] <tommy_the-dragon>	any advice on question 2 or do i have to do it manually (sigh)
[18:52:48] <RoanKattouw>	tommy_the-dragon: And you can use www.medawiki.org/wiki/Special:Export to export documentation and import it into your wiki
[18:52:58] <tommy_the-dragon>	aah thanks :)
[18:53:06] <tommy_the-dragon>	should make things a lot easier
[18:54:20] <maspsu>	roankattouw: that value is not set in my localsettings.php file....shouldn't mediawiki have set that during install?
[18:54:51] <RoanKattouw>	maspsu: If it's not set, it's set to the default, which should usually be good
[18:55:23] <RoanKattouw>	See what happens when you go to www.example.com/path/where/index.php/is/skins/monobook/monobook.css
[18:55:41] <tommy_the-dragon>	i assume i have to export every single page rather than just the contents page?
[18:55:49] <RoanKattouw>	tommy_the-dragon: Yes
[18:55:55] <RoanKattouw>	But you can export categories too
[18:56:30] <tommy_the-dragon>	aah i see, thanks :)P
[19:03:42] <maspsu>	when i look at my /var/www/html/wiki directory (where index.php is located), there is no skins folder
[19:03:58] <maspsu>	it seems all the mediawiki code is located at /usr/share/mediawiki
[19:04:18] <maspsu>	along with the skins folder
[19:04:45] <RoanKattouw>	Aah, you installed MediaWiki from a package, that explains a LOT
[19:04:56] <maspsu>	oh was that a bad move? 
[19:05:01] <RoanKattouw>	Those packages are old and scatter files all over the place, you should not use them
[19:05:31] <RoanKattouw>	If you want the folks in this channel to be able to help you, you should download the latest version (1.15.1) from mediawiki.org and use that
[19:05:34] <maspsu>	ah ok, i figured if i used the version of mediawiki with the distro, it would be "more stable"
[19:05:57] <RoanKattouw>	"more stable" means "older, more security flaws, less support" in this case
[19:06:34] <maspsu>	ok, not a problem, i'll remove everything and grab the tarball from mediawiki.org...thanks again for all your help
[19:06:34] <sartan>	Hi :) Is there a concept of subcategorization in mediawiki?  i.e. "Configuration Examples\VPN" 
[19:07:14] <RoanKattouw>	sartan: There are subpages and subcategories, yes
[19:08:11] <sartan>	how would i refer to that? {{Configuration:VPN}} {{Configuration\VPN}} etc?
[19:08:13] <RoanKattouw>	You probably want to put "[[Category:Examples]]" in the [[Category:VPN examples]] description page
[19:08:21] <sartan>	oh, i'd template it, but gotcha
[19:08:44] <sartan>	so there's no automatic crosslinking or sublinking? Those would make two different categories?
[19:09:20] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, only the category description pages would link to each other
[19:11:00] <sartan>	actually, this might work out just fine.
[19:15:11] <FriedPope>	anyone have a quick solution for this?   www.heatsynclabs.org/wiki
[19:16:16] <FriedPope>	anyone have a quick solution for this?   www.heatsynclabs.org/wiki
[19:16:21] <sartan>	Crosslinking my articles serves my need, thank you RoanKattouw 
[19:16:32] <sartan>	mod_rewrite not enabled?
[19:16:54] <FriedPope>	oh perhaps
[19:17:52] <chuck>	which trunk version of SemanticForms should be stable?
[19:17:59] <chuck>	I'm getting fatal errors on this latest version
[19:22:27] <werdna_>	bah
[19:22:30] <werdna_>	&lt;mwe-error_load_lib&gt;$j.suggestions
[19:22:34] <werdna_>	handy
[19:23:04] <jMyles>	I
[19:23:50] <jMyles>	I'm looking for a way to allow users to only edit talk pages, or from among the other default namespaces.  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceProtection  seems to describe creating a new namespace, but not defining permissions for the existing namespaces.
[19:24:21] <Duesentrieb>	jMyles: it works exactly the same way.
[19:24:32] <Duesentrieb>	use set the protection for an existing namespace
[19:24:40] <jMyles>	but what is the array called?
[19:25:01] <jMyles>	Do I arbitrarily name a new array?
[19:25:02] <jMyles>	ie $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_VESSEL]      = array( 'keel-haul' );
[19:25:19] <Duesentrieb>	silly example
[19:25:38] <Duesentrieb>	$wgNamespaceProtection[NS_MAIN]      = array( 'edit-main' );
[19:25:51] <Duesentrieb>	this restricts editing on the main namespace to people with the edit-main permission
[19:27:38] <werdna_>	he might be making a pirate wiki
[19:27:44] <Duesentrieb>	added that as an aexample to the manual
[19:30:13] <Duesentrieb>	didn't someone introduce whitelist read for namespaces? i mean besides Lockdown
[19:31:13] <jMyles>	Ahh, I get it.  I'm not making a pirate wiki, I was just using the example from the manual.  :-)
[19:31:17] <jMyles>	Thanks.
[19:43:57] <Cenobit>	hello guys. I have question regarding the address rewrite for the uploaded files
[19:44:18] <Cenobit>	they rewrite to the absolute path in my file system after the site addrfess
[19:44:33] <Cenobit>	and not relative towards the installation directory
[19:44:53] <Cenobit>	can you change this behavior using some configuration options without affecting apache rewrite rules ??
[19:55:29] <Krzysiek>	Witajcie!
[19:55:35] <Krzysiek>	mowi ktos po polsku?
[19:55:53] <Krzysiek>	hej1
[19:55:58] <Krzysiek>	mowi ktos po polsku?
[19:56:36] <Krzysiek>	Koledzy?
[19:58:23] <Duesentrieb>	you will probably have more luck with english
[19:58:40] <Krzysiek>	in polish, please
[19:58:52] <jdpond>	Cenobit: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Uploads
[19:59:44] <Krzysiek>	what is this?
[20:10:35] <tommy_the-dragon>	i tried to add a formula to a page on my media wiki, this is the formula <math>n*(n-1)/2</math> 
[20:10:49] <tommy_the-dragon>	however it displays as <math>n*(n-1)/2</math> in text
[20:10:56] <tommy_the-dragon>	am i doing something wrong?
[20:11:06] <Duesentrieb>	!math
[20:11:06] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Math
[20:11:15] <tommy_the-dragon>	okily dokily :)
[20:11:37] <Duesentrieb>	tommy_the-dragon: <math> iiisn't supported by default, it has to be enabled. wich isn't quite trivial, because of silly dependancies.
[20:12:49] <tommy_the-dragon>	ok
[20:12:52] <tommy_the-dragon>	i see
[20:13:01] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55835 10/trunk/phase3/includes/upload/UploadFromChunks.php: use wfScript() so that it uses $wgScriptExtension to get the path to api.php(5)
[20:13:13] <tommy_the-dragon>	aaargh i dont have shell access here :p
[20:13:20] <tommy_the-dragon>	it will have to wait till monday
[20:13:52] <Duesentrieb>	there are precompiled binaries somewhere. if thesy fit your environment, uploading it should be sufficient
[20:14:05] <Duesentrieb>	(and if you trust them)
[20:16:29] <Ian13>	is there a way to generate a <gallery> of a category's images for inclusion in an article?
[20:25:09] <tommy_the-dragon>	i think ill just get it sorted out on monday
[20:25:19] <tommy_the-dragon>	thanks though :)
[20:25:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  (10cbass)
[20:29:34] <jdpond>	Whew!!! just finished all the documentation (except for release_notes, which is next) - took longer than writing the code I think.  You know, half the work could have been automated in the documentation process if MediaWiki.org used Semantic MediaWiki
[20:29:40] *jdpond 	ducks and runs for cover
[20:31:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  (10barras-ps)
[20:37:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  (10cbass)
[20:41:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  (10barras-ps)
[20:44:01] <CIA-70>	03jdpond * r55836 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Added documentation for img_auth upgrade and $wgIllegalFileChars
[20:51:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configure illegal file characters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20489  (10raimond.spekking)
[20:59:17] <Cenobit>	jdpond thanks :)
[21:17:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable StringFunctions on WMF wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455  (10happy-melon)
[21:22:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for Commons bureaucrats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20486  (10cbass)
[21:27:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for Commons bureaucrats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20486  (10lar)
[21:55:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Mailing list for Commons bureaucrats - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20486  +comment (10cbass)
[21:58:13] <CIA-70>	03jdpond * r55837 10/trunk/extensions/NSFileRepo/ (NSFileRepo.php README REL1_13_0/phase3/img_auth.i18n.php): Updated README, added check to make sure extension Lockdown was already loaded.
[22:02:46] <laurus>	Can anyone explain what the @override in Monobook.css does?
[22:02:56] <laurus>	Er, MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[22:04:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow namespace and category designation for Images/files - and subsequent namespace/category-based functionality enhancement with images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9887  +comment (10jack.pond)
[22:11:52] <jdpond>	^demon: Thanks for the help on img_auth.php.  committed last night and so far, everyone seems happy.
[22:12:48] <yao_ziyuan>	two suggestions:
[22:13:20] <yao_ziyuan>	1. each section/sub-section in a wiki page has three icons: [view] [edit] [discuss]
[22:14:01] <yao_ziyuan>	[view] is the section itself
[22:14:18] <yao_ziyuan>	[edit] is to edit the section
[22:14:23] <yao_ziyuan>	[discuss] is to discuss the section
[22:14:34] <yao_ziyuan>	it's like a tab
[22:14:46] <^demon>	jdpond: Yay
[22:14:47] <Mike_lifeguard>	Why?
[22:15:11] <yao_ziyuan>	because it lets you discuss a section
[22:15:24] <Mike_lifeguard>	yao_ziyuan: Why can't you discuss a section now?
[22:15:29] <yao_ziyuan>	it's a better form of talk page
[22:15:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	no it isn't
[22:15:45] <^demon>	Mike_lifeguard++
[22:15:48] <yao_ziyuan>	...
[22:16:02] <yao_ziyuan>	2. subsections that you can show/hide
[22:16:15] <Mike_lifeguard>	that's implemented as client-side js... sortof
[22:16:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	wouldn't be hard to do
[22:17:35] <yao_ziyuan>	this kind of subsection is not in an article's main table of contents
[22:22:34] <CIA-70>	03demon * r55838 10/trunk/extensions/ (53 files in 45 dirs): 
[22:22:34] <CIA-70>	Nuking fallback code for MW < 1.12 in most extensions (there's like 5 or 6 left I haven't done). Couple of points:
[22:22:34] <CIA-70>	* 1.11 and below aren't supported anymore, so we don't need to be maintaining back-compat code for it anymore. This is why we branch extensions
[22:22:35] <CIA-70>	* The vast majority of these were using $wgParser. This defeats the purpose of
[22:22:37] <CIA-70>	ParserFirstCallInit...allowing you to use parsers other than $wgParser. All
[22:22:39] <CIA-70>	these extensions now work in any instance of the Parser, not just $wgParser
[22:25:08] <yao_ziyuan>	a subsection that is hidden by default
[22:40:05] <webchat>	http://pastebin.com/d6055908a I'm trying to auto create 900+ blank pages, with categories and titles, but it's failing
[22:50:29] <tty1>	Hi guys i just moved my main landing page for my project from a static html page to a wiki page.. the old page was ranked on the top page of google and i dont want to loose that ranking.. the content of the new page is the same (except some spelling and other minor changes). but obviously the title of the page and its metatags are no longer there... how do i get wiki pages to index properly?
[23:00:11] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Links in nowiki tags should not bypass the spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20501  +comment (10herd)
[23:00:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Antispam filter doesn't filter plaintext rendered URLs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14522  +comment (10herd)
[23:01:41] <tty1>	shouldnt it be called a "spam filter".. and "antispam filter" would e a counter measure to get around a "spam filteR"!
[23:01:47] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4462  <-- does there need to be a tracking bug for something that has a component under "MediaWiki extensions" product?
[23:02:11] *Splarka 	pokles brion
[23:02:22] <^demon>	Splarka: Not really, no. But not worth unlinking all that stuff and spamming everyone.
[23:02:59] <^demon>	Splarka: Tracking bugs should be cross-component, IMO.
[23:02:59] <Splarka>	fair
[23:03:17] <Splarka>	well, that is where they are most useful
[23:03:55] <tty1>	so can anyone help me with my problem?
[23:04:57] <Splarka>	meta tags like "keywords" are ignored by google, AFAIK
[23:05:24] <Splarka>	you can control the <title>, what do you want?
[23:05:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Maintenance script cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19133  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:08:03] *LauraHale 	huggles Emufarmers
[23:09:36] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55839 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (37 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-04 22:56 UTC)
[23:10:04] <Splarka>	tty1: are you asking for SEO?
[23:10:11] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55840 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/php/languages/mwEmbed.i18n.php: Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-04 22:56 UTC)
[23:11:47] <Splarka>	oh, tyw7 was back, lovely
[23:14:31] <tty1>	Splarka: whats SEO?
[23:14:44] <Emufarmers>	Splarka: try a username ban?  Maybe he won't be smart enough to get around it. :D
[23:14:53] <tty1>	Splarka: how do i change the title of a wikipage then?
[23:15:33] <^demon>	Ok, so person A files a bug. The bug is now fixed, but the solution is Javascript based (ie: works for 98% of the world). If I close the bug, person A will inevitably reopen it and say we're not being accessible enough. Is it worth closing the bug?
[23:15:52] <Annemarie>	SEO == search engine optimization.
[23:16:01] <Emufarmers>	^demon: just tell us which bug it is. ^__^
[23:16:04] <^demon>	== "Gaming google"
[23:16:13] *MrZ-man 	thinks he can guess who person A might be
[23:16:17] <^demon>	Emufarmers: That'll give away who "person A" is ;-)
[23:16:20] <Emufarmers>	Haha
[23:16:20] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55841 10/trunk/extensions/ (67 files in 58 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-04 22:56 UTC)
[23:16:27] <Annemarie>	jdiannaiiijinininin
[23:16:30] <Emufarmers>	o:
[23:16:32] <Emufarmers>	omg spoilers
[23:16:39] <Annemarie>	I don't know how to spell his name. :-(
[23:16:44] <^demon>	jidanni.
[23:16:48] <tty1>	Annemarie & Splarka in that case yea i guess i am asking about SEO, but specifically SEO as it applies to media wiki pages
[23:16:49] <Splarka>	tty1: do you mean <title>?
[23:16:51] <^demon>	And his e-mail is jidanni@jidanni.org
[23:16:56] <^demon>	!b 11036
[23:16:56] --mwbot--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11036
[23:17:09] <Annemarie>	J-eye-danny
[23:17:22] <tty1>	Splarka: yes, the title that appears in the title bar of your web browser.. this is done in the html head tags using the <title> tag IIRC
[23:17:33] <Splarka>	for your main page, edit MediaWiki:pagetitle-view-mainpage
[23:17:40] <Splarka>	for all other pages, edit MediaWiki:pagetitle
[23:17:45] <^demon>	The new search UI is enabled by default and the old one was removed. As far as I'm concerned the bug is fixed.
[23:17:46] <Emufarmers>	If those idiots at ICANN (or the IANA) have their way, it'll be jidanni@jidanni.jidanni soon. v:
[23:18:29] <^demon>	Emufarmers: There's a proposal in the strategic planning stuff for WMF to push ICANN for our own TLD.
[23:18:30] <CIA-70>	03nimishg * r55842 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Xml.php: Can now pass in element attributes other than just id to buildTable functions
[23:18:32] <tty1>	Splarka: wont that make it so all pages have the same title? Is there a way to change the title on a page-by-page basis?
[23:18:36] *Splarka 	wants his own tld: .rar
[23:18:45] *Splarka 	swats tty1
[23:18:54] <Splarka>	the $1 is the page title in MediaWiki:pagetitle
[23:18:56] <MrZ-man>	jidanni@jidan.ni
[23:19:12] <Splarka>	it will be different unless you omit that
[23:19:22] <Splarka>	<tty1> Hi guys i just moved my main landing page
[23:19:24] <Emufarmers>	^demon: that's nice.
[23:19:35] <Splarka>	you can control your main page separately
[23:19:40] <Splarka>	to omit 'Main page' for example
[23:19:52] <Emufarmers>	Or we can just use Splarka's TLD: wikipedia.rar has a nice ring to it
[23:20:08] *^demon 	laughs everytime he hears somone list "SEO" as their job title.
[23:20:09] <Emufarmers>	Your favorite encyclopedia, now compressed with your favorite archival format
[23:20:40] <Annemarie>	Yes, make him use camouflage.
[23:20:52] <Emufarmers>	You're assuming he's smart enough to do so
[23:21:05] <Annemarie>	AGF!
[23:21:12] <Splarka>	ADV
[23:21:16] <Splarka>	(assume dumb vandals)
[23:21:34] <Splarka>	((why else would everyone get 50 warnings on their talkpage before a ban?))
[23:21:46] *^demon 	thinks AGF has gotten really dumb
[23:21:59] <Splarka>	ADAGF?
[23:22:05] <^demon>	Person1: He vandalized 50 pages with "ZOMG I LOVE WIKIPEDIA"
[23:22:07] <tty1>	Splarka: ok im looking at those pages, and i see what your saying $1 is the name of the page followed by whatever text i want...  but say i have a page called "dANN" and a title i want to say "Syncleus, Inc. - dANN AI Library" ... but i want other pages to be "Syncleus, Inc. - $1" ?
[23:22:13] <^demon>	Person2: AGF! He was probably just trying to help!
[23:22:21] <tty1>	another words is there a way to set the title inside the wiki page itself rather than globally
[23:22:26] <Splarka>	tty1: then you don't want a wiki
[23:22:26] *Emufarmers 	files an RfAR on ^demon.
[23:22:27] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646  +comment (10brion)
[23:22:52] <^demon>	Emufarmers: I blocked a guy over a promo username on enwiki yesterday. Today he contested (turns out it was my mistake) and now he wants to recall my admin rights.
[23:23:06] <tty1>	Splarka: sure i want a wiki...
[23:23:09] <Emufarmers>	v:
[23:23:14] <Splarka>	then live with the features it has ^_^
[23:23:42] <tty1>	Splarka: ill make do with the features it has... i was just unclear what those features are.
[23:23:42] <Emufarmers>	If you can't be with the wiki you love, love the wiki you're with
[23:23:49] <MrZ-man>	^demon: but he loves Wikipedia! why would we block someone who loves Wikipedia?!
[23:24:02] <^demon>	Emufarmers: http://is.gd/2Twgt
[23:24:02] <Splarka>	someone will tell you about displaytitle or using parserfunctions in MediaWiki:Pagetitle, and they can deal with the inevitable questions you'll have about it
[23:24:08] *Splarka 	abstains
[23:24:56] <Emufarmers>	^demon: what are your recall criteria?
[23:25:01] <tty1>	Im just worried that the change in landing page and thus the title might effect my google ranking
[23:25:09] <^demon>	Emufarmers: I haven't established any. So I get to make them up now.
[23:25:22] <Emufarmers>	^_______^
[23:25:29] <Emufarmers>	Wikipedia is awesome, yes
[23:25:42] <Splarka>	tty1: as said, for the main page, you CAN completely customize the title, so what is this with other pages? that wasn't part of the deal! 
[23:26:05] <^demon>	Emufarmers: I'm still trying to decide how to reply :p
[23:26:11] <Emufarmers>	Why bother?
[23:26:45] <tty1>	Splarka: this isnt the main page of the wiki though, this is the main page for this particular software library but a subpage within the wiki as a whole (which has several different topics in it not just this library)
[23:26:45] <LauraHale>	What would you want to change the title to?
[23:26:53] <^demon>	Emufarmers: He's lucky I just happened to be still logged in and was looking @ enwiki for something. I can go days/weeks without even seeing that I have messages there.
[23:27:04] <Splarka>	tty1: well you crazy then, set that as your main page, heh
[23:27:17] <Emufarmers>	Just ignore him, or remove the message, or have someone else remove the messge for you.
[23:27:28] <^demon>	zomg cabal
[23:27:33] <MrZ-man>	"Sorry, one of my criteria is that I can't be recalled by users whose username starts with 'V'"
[23:27:46] <tty1>	Splarka: any chance there is some sort of plugin to solve my problem?
[23:28:02] <^demon>	"My criteria is that 90% of active developers have to agree that I am actively harmful to enwiki"
[23:28:15] <Emufarmers>	*are :O
[23:28:41] <MrZ-man>	MediaWiki developers or just all developers everywhere?
[23:28:52] <^demon>	Eh, let's make it interesting.
[23:29:32] <^demon>	90% of active developers who don't live in the US.
[23:29:44] <^demon>	And have contributed at least 5 patches to Apache.
[23:29:48] <Splarka>	but have visited the US
[23:29:53] <^demon>	At least twice.
[23:30:41] <^demon>	And you've got to find a steward fluent in Tagalog.
[23:36:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) namespace change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20506 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (guetzli)
[23:37:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) namespace change - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20506  (10innocentkiller)
[23:41:19] <Splarka>	gee ^demon-quitter, thanks for not updating the summary at the same time >_<
[23:47:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Yahoo 'temporarily' blocking lists.wikimedia.org emails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20507 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (Platonides)
[23:48:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Yahoo 'temporarily' blocking lists.wikimedia.org emails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20507  +comment (10brion)
[23:49:21] <gongoputch>	is there an easy way to include a java applet in a mediawiki page?