[00:08:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please enable Extention:NewUserMessage on en.Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20508 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (wiki)
[00:26:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Try Beta" is ambiguous - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20123  (10cbrown1023)
[00:57:26] <Emufarmers>	AaronSchulz: would FlaggedProtection accomplish what http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:FlaggedRevs#Enable_FlaggedRevs_only_on_specific_pages.3F is asking for?
[01:09:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) missing content of subject fileld in email method for Send me copies of e-mails I send to other users option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20509 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Email; (gangleri)
[01:10:22] <tempname>	Having trouble installing postgresql 8.3 on mediawiki 1.11.1  (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki#Postgres) directions appear not to work. Anyone familiar with    	 	 	 	 	 	   "ERROR:  relation “pg_ts_cfg” does not exist "  error in relation to installing tsearch2 on the " sql -d wikidb -c "update pg_ts_cfg set locale = current_setting('lc_collate') where ts_name = 'default' and prs_name='default';"  " com
[01:11:05] <Emufarmers>	Don't install 1.11.1
[01:11:37] <tempname>	i need to copy one from another server that runs on 1.11.1
[01:12:02] <tempname>	is it still possible if i use an updated edition of mediawiki?
[01:12:17] <tempname>	the directions hinted that i should use the same version
[01:12:37] <Emufarmers>	The directions suck ^__^
[01:12:52] <Emufarmers>	You can use the new version and then run the update script
[01:13:03] <tempname>	ah thank you, i will try that
[01:16:47] <OverlordQ>	yea those steps suck
[01:16:58] <Splarka>	take the escalator!
[01:21:19] <webchatuser>	found out why the xml was failng to auto create 900+ pages, the xml was missing <revision></revision> tags
[01:23:02] <OverlordQ>	if you're reading any steps that mention having to do anything or import anything to get tsearch to work, it's likely wrong.
[01:23:59] <webchatuser>	tsearch?
[01:24:17] <OverlordQ>	that wasn't directed to you
[01:26:20] <tempname>	well version 1.15.1 installed, now are the directions for copying over another wiki correct? 
[01:28:21] <Emufarmers>	Some parts of it are
[01:28:24] <Emufarmers>	Back up the database
[01:28:46] <Emufarmers>	Back up LocalSettings.php and the images and extensions directories
[01:28:49] <herrkanin>	Hi there, anyone knows how to use sematic result formats to export to icalendar format?
[01:29:03] <Emufarmers>	Import and fix LocalSettings.php
[01:29:38] <herrkanin>	or having a working example of how to use it (the example page seems broken)
[01:30:25] <tempname>	Will try that out.
[01:53:40] <Brodie_>	can some one please tell me how to create a link using a picture on mediawiki
[01:54:13] <Emufarmers>	[[File:Example.jpg|link=http://www.example.com/]]
[01:54:30] <Splarka>	note you need 1.14+ for that
[01:54:36] <Splarka>	and you can't use it with thumb or frame parameters
[01:54:46] <Splarka>	and you need local file uploads enabled
[01:55:10] <Brodie_>	thanks
[01:55:17] <Splarka>	and you need 3 live ducks
[01:55:17] <Emufarmers>	And you need to make a check payable to Splarka Enterprises
[01:56:11] <Brodie_>	and the next question how do you place spaces bettween images
[01:58:20] <zocky>	you need 5 live ducks for that
[01:58:49] <Brodie_>	ducks?
[01:59:11] <Brodie_>	i want to a gap between the images im trying to uplaod
[02:01:47] <Splarka>	but you want them linked, too?
[02:01:56] <Brodie_>	yes
[02:02:00] <Splarka>	but all in a line?
[02:02:03] <Brodie_>	i have got the linking to work
[02:02:06] <Brodie_>	yes please
[02:02:25] <Brodie_>	sorry im a newbee
[02:02:41] <Splarka>	[[Image:Wiki.png|20px|link=http://google.com]] [[Image:Wiki.png|20px|link=http://google.com]] [[Image:Wiki.png|20px|link=http://google.com]]
[02:02:43] <Splarka>	not enough gap?
[02:03:46] <Brodie_>	it shrunk the images lol
[02:04:07] <Emufarmers>	Honey I Shrunk the Image
[02:04:15] <Brodie_>	lol yes like that 
[02:05:12] <Brodie_>	im stumped
[02:06:26] <Emufarmers>	http://xkcd.com/41/
[02:06:55] <Brodie_>	whats that
[02:07:35] <Emufarmers>	Being Splarka is fun ^__^
[02:07:57] <Brodie_>	ok
[02:08:23] <Emufarmers>	If you want the images to be a different size, change the 20px to something else
[02:09:02] <Brodie_>	yes but i want the spacing between the images as the images link to other areas in the site family
[02:17:30] <Brodie_>	go to thehub.ath.cx/wiki/ and you will see what i mean by i want to put spaces between the image
[02:26:40] <Splarka>	{| cellspacing=10
[02:26:41] <Splarka>	|| [[Image:Wiki.png|20px|link=http://google.com]] || [[Image:Wiki.png|20px|link=http://google.com]] || [[Image:Wiki.png|20px|link=http://google.com]]
[02:26:45] <Splarka>	^ Brodie_
[02:28:42] <Brodie_>	ok i will give it a go
[02:31:37] <Brodie_>	thats what i wanted thanks
[02:39:19] <Splarka>	Emufarmers: if you were me you'd be helpful (once in a while)
[02:39:52] <LauraHale>	Emufarmers is very helpful.
[02:40:03] *LauraHale 	loves emufarmers in a non-sexual sense.
[02:44:27] <Emufarmers>	:\
[04:48:22] <herrkanin>	hi there, someone who uses semantic mediawiki and can tell me why the numbers appear in front of the date? http://gbg.piratpartiet.se/wiki/Sandbox
[04:49:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevDelete on revisions related to page moves should show checkboxes to also act upon relevant log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20447  (10JSchulz_4587)
[04:49:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Export ignores parameters limit, dir and offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18180  (10azliq7)
[04:50:07] <p858snake>	!semantic | herrkanin
[04:50:07] --mwbot--	herrkanin: Not many people here use Semantic Mediawiki. You might try #semanticmediawiki (also see !hesaidsemantic ).
[04:50:29] <herrkanin>	ah, thanks
[04:50:40] <herrkanin>	#semanticmediawiki
[04:50:43] <herrkanin>	wops
[04:50:51] <herrkanin>	forgot one part...
[05:14:53] <needhelp1>	how can i hide a users ip address from showing up on a page they edited
[05:15:31] <Splarka>	always, or just in one case?
[05:15:36] <needhelp1>	just in one case
[05:15:47] <Splarka>	delete the page and undelete all revisions except that one
[05:15:54] <Splarka>	or use deleted revisions to suppress it
[05:16:20] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/RevisionDelete
[05:16:21] <needhelp1>	well.. the user created the page 
[05:16:40] <needhelp1>	delete it and recreate it?
[05:17:22] <Splarka>	yah, if that's the only revision
[05:17:38] <needhelp1>	kk, thanks
[05:17:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mark edits as vandalism edits using Undo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20510 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Recent changes; (nolan.j.white)
[05:24:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337  (10evula)
[05:34:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Edit minor flag and edit summary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20511 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (nolan.j.white)
[05:35:26] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Mark edits as vandalism edits using Undo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20510  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[05:42:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make the minor edit flag editable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20511  summary; +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[05:42:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve hiding of usernames by looking for reverts with edit summaries containing the username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18526  summary; +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[06:42:54] *Annemarie 	loves Emufarmers in a sexual sense.
[06:45:52] <CIA-70>	03thomasv * r55843 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DjVuImage.php: use UtfNormal::cleanUp() (r55768)
[06:48:23] <Zylogue>	I'm using media wiki for a community site where I need the users to fill out a form for the information they add.  I have a recipe template, on paper, but I do not understand how to create the form and tie it to adding new pages in a specific section of the site.  Can anyone assist?
[06:51:01] *Splarka 	preemptively:
[06:51:02] <Splarka>	!hesaidsemantic | Splarka
[06:51:02] --mwbot--	Splarka: http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[06:51:24] <Splarka>	wat, he left already?
[06:51:58] <Splarka>	he didn't even wait 3 minutes
[06:53:57] <Annemarie>	You're semantic.
[06:54:51] <OuKB>	semantic questions need no answer
[06:57:35] <Splarka>	Zylogue: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms maybe
[06:57:53] <Zylogue>	Splarka, thanks,  I'm looking into that, now.
[07:06:54] <saper>	aren't "a community site" and "to fill out a form" contradictory?
[07:07:09] <saper>	reminds me of the strategic wiki
[07:07:30] <Splarka>	saper: he means, create a new prototype article by filling out forms of data
[07:07:41] <Splarka>	in many cases, pages are so uniform that this actually is a time-saving utility
[07:07:42] <Zylogue>	perhaps, but I'm trying to make it possible to search and filter through these recipes.  much easier to do, if they have a common format
[07:08:02] <saper>	I'm just trolling
[07:08:09] <Splarka>	3/10
[07:08:14] <saper>	Zylogue: I presume that wiki is not a right solution for you
[07:08:23] <saper>	s/a //
[07:09:03] <Zylogue>	saper, perhaps, but with other 'parts' of the site, wiki is the correct choice.  IMHO, anyway.
[07:09:32] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Sidebar&diff=311954230&oldid=311942309 heh
[07:09:36] <Zylogue>	so, rather than trying to mash together multiple solutions, I'm just trying to find a way to 'bastardize' one tool to work the way I need.
[07:09:45] <Zylogue>	bad part is I'm not a coder
[07:23:34] <p858snake>	what about a template and preload it into the edit feild?
[07:24:12] <Zylogue>	p858snake, OK, sure.  that would work. show me how, becuase I have not gotten me head wrapped around templates, yet
[07:24:33] <p858snake>	i don't know the black magic behind it
[07:25:06] <Splarka>	easiest method: you create some links in MediaWiki:Newarticletext that link to something like {{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit&preload=Template:Sometemplate}}
[07:25:54] <Splarka>	in the Template:Sometemplate you have a bunch of wikitext (that is stuck directly into the new edit page when they click that link), you can have different templates for different situations
[07:26:18] <Splarka>	* [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit&preload=Template:Preloads/walrus}} Create new walrus page]
[07:26:39] <Zylogue>	OK, so differnet recipe sections, like meats, or soups could have their own template?
[07:26:45] <Splarka>	yah
[07:26:56] <Splarka>	and the template could have sections, categories, blank fields for them to fill in
[07:26:58] <Zylogue>	OK, and how do I create that template page itself?
[07:27:01] <Annemarie>	Splarka: Nice link :D
[07:27:12] <Zylogue>	that would better than trying to add forms, I think
[07:27:21] <Splarka>	well, you just create, like, [[Template:RecipeForms/Meat]]
[07:27:40] <Splarka>	and on it, stick in wikitext, sections and categories and such
[07:28:02] <Splarka>	basically, how you want the edit box to look when people click it
[07:28:20] <Splarka>	the only parsing done with preload= is, it strips <includeonly>
[07:28:30] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[07:28:49] <Splarka>	rarbbit
[07:29:20] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: any ideas for solutions for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20451 ?
[07:30:23] <Zylogue>	OK, i will look into that.  Thanks!  BTW, does anyone know of an 'offline' mediawiki friendly editor that saves output in an easy txt file (or similar) that is easy to either import or copy and paste?  I have a long plane trip soon.
[07:30:30] <apergos>	oh wow, it's reproduceable on demand now? interesting...
[07:33:23] <Splarka>	Zylogue: annoyingly the only way to parse mediawiki wikitext reliably is with mediawiki (and specifically, an exact copy of the configuration and database of the wiki you plan to save the edits to...)
[07:33:41] <Splarka>	since potentially every link, template and parserfunction will interact with other pages 
[07:34:15] <Splarka>	though since you're designing a new one, you could just install mediawiki on your laptop to play around with, and then copy the templates and pages you create when you arrive
[07:38:06] <CIA-70>	03rotem * r55844 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[07:41:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable $wgAllowCopyUploads (upload by URL) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20512 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (federicoleva)
[07:47:53] *Splarka 	thinks that's a dupe for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18563
[07:56:09] <Zylogue>	good idea, thanks!
[08:04:19] <Zylogue>	Splarka, the MediaWiki:Newarticletext item you mention above.  is that supposed to be an empty page that I add the template to? with the line that starts with {{fullurl: line?
[08:06:25] <Splarka>	it is an interface message that defines what appears above the <textarea> when editing a new page (creating)
[08:07:13] <Splarka>	it should have some default content like '"You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet....'
[08:07:31] <Splarka>	so you can just append the links to that message
[08:19:07] <Zylogue>	Splarka,  may I PM you?  I'm having difficulty and not sure where I went wrong.
[08:19:56] <Splarka>	k
[08:36:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change namespace names on lmowiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20506  summary (10roan.kattouw)
[08:50:50] <CIA-70>	03shinjiman * r55845 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[09:15:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option on API lists to only have count of links/categories/whatever returned, rather than a full resultset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17993  (10catlow)
[09:24:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option on API lists to only have count of links/categories/whatever returned, rather than a full resultset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17993  (10roan.kattouw)
[09:30:10] <Zylogue>	To fight wikispam, I have set my site so that a visitor must be logged in with an account before they can post to the site.  The error message showing Permission Denied is something I would like to change, and inlcude a link to a registration page.  where can I find isntructions on how to do this?
[09:30:35] <hanska>	hello people
[09:30:43] <OverlordQ>	one of the system messages, dunno off hand
[09:30:50] <hanska>	is it possible to list all the members of a Category:Something into another page?
[09:31:17] <Splarka>	Zylogue: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain  go here and ctrl-f for the text you wanna change, or go to Special:Allmessages on your wiki (very slow and big)
[09:31:31] <Splarka>	hanska: you'd need DPL or other extension
[09:31:42] <Splarka>	DPL is quite intensive, there is a cut down version available
[09:31:53] <hanska>	Splarka: ok, no way to do that without any 3rd party extension?
[09:32:11] <Splarka>	you can use first-party extensions
[09:32:26] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Intersection
[09:32:47] <Splarka>	this is in the Wikimedia SVN, is used on Wikimedia wikis, and maintained by (or at least code reviewed by) Wikimedia developers
[09:33:42] <Splarka>	hanska: doublethink needed, many common features are in officially supported extensions, like ParserFunctions, because the core devs like to keep the core software slim, heh
[09:34:03] <hanska>	ok, great, thank you
[09:34:10] <Splarka>	anyway, that version of DPL will do what you want without too much overhead
[09:34:32] <Splarka>	there is a massive version available that will let you list pages based on any criteria you can think of
[09:34:54] <Splarka>	"Show me pages edited by users named Edgar who have 3 cats and where the title of the page references a euphemism that could pertain to the male anatomy"
[09:35:02] <Splarka>	(well not quite... heh)
[09:39:25] <Zylogue>	Splarka, a a co-worker just said:  "You da MAN!"  thanks!
[09:39:55] <Splarka>	mew
[09:40:08] <OverlordQ>	Thank you Emufa^H^H^HSPlarka
[09:40:35] *Splarka 	bites OverQ
[09:40:49] <OverlordQ>	:D
[10:03:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable �E-mail me when a page on my watchlist is changed� on Strategy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20513 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (federicoleva)
[10:04:41] <CIA-70>	03werdna * r55846 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (lqt.css lqt.js): 
[10:04:41] <CIA-70>	Fix LiquidThreads quoting.
[10:04:41] <CIA-70>	TODO: Replace the icon with something that a) Fits; and b) Looks half-way decent.
[10:06:40] <werdna>	anybody want to help me find a 22x22 freely licensed icon to mean "quote" in LiquidThreads? :)
[10:08:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change default search to include the Proposal and proposal talk namespaces on Strategy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20514 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (federicoleva)
[10:29:14] <CIA-70>	03rotem * r55847 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[11:08:20] <CIA-70>	03catrope * r55848 10/trunk/tools/daily-image-l/ (. dailyimagel.py): Add daily-image-l script by Brianna Laugher and Bryan Tongh Minh
[11:22:08] <c3l>	How would I go ahed if I want a frame below the searchbox (the frame is a shoutbox). Problem is that if I add the frame through MediaWiki:Sidebar it will have 10+ pixel padding to the left. which makes the shoutbox too slim. How do I remove that spacing? (no padding or so is specified)
[11:28:12] <Splarka>	c3l: that padding is on the .pBody div that surrounds the <ul> in each portlet
[11:28:15] <Splarka>	(most likely)
[11:29:43] <Splarka>	and also some margin on the <ul>
[11:29:58] <c3l>	Splarka: would you mind elaborate some more with that. I dont fully understand how to fix it
[11:30:07] <Splarka>	well
[11:30:08] <Splarka>	.portlet .pBody {padding:0;} .portlet .pBody ul {margin:0}
[11:30:23] <Splarka>	will remove all padding and margina nd let the links take up the full space of a portlet, though that does it for all portlets
[11:30:41] <c3l>	In what file should I edit this?
[11:31:09] <Splarka>	no file
[11:31:11] <Splarka>	!css
[11:31:11] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[11:31:24] <Splarka>	if you are using monobook: MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[11:31:56] <vvv>	Dropping "UNIQ" garbage to the output is a bad thing, right?
[11:32:10] <Splarka>	the relevant css is:
[11:32:11] <Splarka>	.pBody {
[11:32:14] <c3l>	ooh I had no idea it was that easy. thanks =)
[11:32:15] <Splarka>		padding: 0 .8em .3em .5em;
[11:32:16] <Splarka>	}
[11:32:22] <Splarka>	in /skins/monobook/main.css
[11:32:28] <yang>	From which directory should be run update.php ? - /usr/share/mediawiki/maintenance ?
[11:32:32] <Splarka>	you probably want to target a specific portlet tho, they each have an ID
[11:32:45] <yang>	So I simply write "php update.php" in that dir. ?
[11:32:48] <Splarka>	like #p-search .pBody {padding:0;}
[11:33:03] <RoanKattouw>	vvv: Yes, that usually indicates a bug
[11:33:05] <Splarka>	vvv: generally yah, strip markers, should be replaced, indicates something borked
[11:33:42] <RoanKattouw>	yang: Yes
[11:34:32] <c3l>	Splarka: MediaWiki:Monobook.css is empty, MediaWiki:Common.css too (besides the info about how to update)
[11:35:20] <yang>	RoanKattouw: http://pastebin.ca/1554846
[11:35:21] <Splarka>	yes, shipped empty, you add your local override css there
[11:35:37] <Splarka>	the styles are in /skins/ (actual files, but don't edit them, or you'll be crying when you upgrade)
[11:35:43] <Splarka>	eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/monobook/main.css
[11:36:02] <c3l>	Splarka: so how do I edit the file properly?
[11:36:13] <Splarka>	you don't, you edit the page
[11:36:37] <RoanKattouw>	!man AdminSettings.php | yang
[11:36:37] --mwbot--	yang: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:AdminSettings.php
[11:36:39] <Splarka>	that page gets loaded after the file, as CSS, and so has higher precedence
[11:36:57] <Splarka>	.foo {} in /skins/ gets overridden by .foo {} in MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[11:37:04] <Splarka>	"cascading" style sheet ^_^
[11:37:06] <RoanKattouw>	yang: Rename AdminSettings.sample to AdminSettings.php and fill out the right info
[11:37:28] <c3l>	Splarka: okay i thik i get it. but will this be a problem for me when updating?
[11:37:53] <Splarka>	shouldn't be
[11:37:55] <RoanKattouw>	c3l: No, upgrades leave it alone
[11:37:59] <Splarka>	though how did you insert the shoutbox?
[11:38:05] <c3l>	cool thanks
[11:38:10] <Splarka>	if you edited the skin files... then it will be, heh
[11:38:14] <yang>	RoanKattouw: I have /etc/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php only
[11:38:20] <Splarka>	best way is to make an extension, that uses hooks in the skins
[11:38:23] <yang>	is that a different file ?
[11:38:32] <RoanKattouw>	yang: Yes, that's a different file
[11:38:35] <yang>	ok
[11:39:00] <Splarka>	MediaWiki claims to be open source, but they get you to not modify their source with scary stories of "if you edit the source, the boogeyman will eat you! and you won't be able to upgrade! muahaha!"
[11:39:01] <RoanKattouw>	You seem to have installed MediaWiki from a Debian package, which means we might not be able to help you very much
[11:39:06] <RoanKattouw>	Debian does crazy things
[11:39:20] <c3l>	Splarka: In MediaWiki:Sidebar  I added <ifram ...></iframe>  below the search box, (with an asterix in front of <iframe>) worked just fine =)
[11:39:26] <yang>	RoanKattouw: :(
[11:39:28] <Splarka>	"If you use modified sources from packages, you're sleeping with everyone that source has ever been with!"
[11:39:51] <Splarka>	hmm, that *shouldn't* work
[11:40:15] <yang>	RoanKattouw: Does LocalSettings.php contain the wgDBuser and wgDBpassword ?
[11:40:25] <c3l>	Splarka: hehe, whats the proper way to do this?
[11:40:36] <RoanKattouw>	yang: Yes
[11:40:50] <vvv>	Bah
[11:41:02] <RoanKattouw>	c3l: By editing [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]]
[11:41:19] *vvv 	typed "{{formatnum:<ref>aa</ref>}}" and was delighted by result
[11:41:44] <Splarka>	RoanKattouw: he means, inserting an <iframe>
[11:42:02] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[11:42:11] <RoanKattouw>	Sorry c3l I was confused
[11:42:35] <c3l>	RoanKattouw: what do I type in MediaWiki:Moonbook.css then?
[11:42:39] <c3l>	oh..?
[11:42:46] <RoanKattouw>	Forget what I said
[11:43:07] <Splarka>	hmm, well it really should not work in MediaWiki:Sidebar
[11:43:19] <Splarka>	what evil voodoo are you doing!
[11:43:32] <Splarka>	well, if it works for ya...
[11:43:53] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinBuildSidebar
[11:43:59] <Splarka>	I think this would be the proper way
[11:44:08] <Splarka>	inject some HTML somewhere via one of those hooks
[11:44:19] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:SkinBuildSidebar_extensions  some other extensions that do
[11:44:28] <c3l>	Splarka: it might be that I added some extension or so to view iframes when I wanted to include an google calendar
[11:44:38] <Splarka>	ahh
[11:44:46] *Splarka 	holds up a cross and backs away slowly
[11:45:31] <c3l>	hahah is that a bad idea? ;D it was buggy in IE so I stopped using it
[11:46:58] <c3l>	Could you explain some more about the hooks, i dont fully get it from the wiki
[11:48:43] <Splarka>	you write an extension in php, in the extension you declare some hooks, and then you include that extension via mediawiki's LocalSettings.php
[11:49:06] <c3l>	...I write an extension...
[11:49:09] <Splarka>	the hooks are registered via that, in mediawiki, and your extension code is executed whenever the hooks are encountered
[11:49:22] <Splarka>	yah, I don't know php either, cuz it sucks
[11:49:23] <yang>	RoanKattouw: "php update.php" ended with this http://pastebin.ca/1554856 Does it mean I didn't put the correct wgDBadminuser and wgDBadminpassword ?
[11:50:00] <RoanKattouw>	yang: No, it means you don't have proper permissions for the database
[11:50:09] <RoanKattouw>	yang: Is this your own server or shared hosting?
[11:50:14] <c3l>	Splarka: then how do I add it to my sidebar?
[11:50:30] <yang>	RoanKattouw: Do I have to put the root/password of the mysqld interface?
[11:50:37] <yang>	RoanKattouw: own server
[11:50:40] <RoanKattouw>	yang: Yeah try that
[11:50:51] <Splarka>	c31: using a skin hook you insert it in the html, or something, dunno, check the examples... I can't walk any further down this dark path with you, sorry
[11:51:08] *Splarka 	pushes Roan forward as a good code monkey
[11:51:44] *RoanKattouw 	has a bad cold, producing more slime that code right now
[11:51:49] <RoanKattouw>	*than
[11:52:00] <RoanKattouw>	Slime that codes for me would be interesting
[11:53:15] <yang>	RoanKattouw: hm, now I get A connection to the database could not be established. Check the
[11:53:18] <yang>	values of $wgDBadminuser and $wgDBadminpassword.
[11:53:55] <RoanKattouw>	Then double-check the values you entered there, and try logging in to MySQL with them
[11:54:23] <c3l>	Splarka: well thanks for the help anyway =)
[11:55:02] <Splarka>	rar
[11:55:48] <yang>	RoanKattouw: I am able to login there only with phpmyadmin, if i go with "mysql -h machine.machine.com -u root -p" it doesn't allow me to log in, I can do that only from localhost...
[11:56:13] <RoanKattouw>	A
[11:56:31] <RoanKattouw>	Then log into PMA as root, and grant the normal wiki user the right to ALTER tables in the wiki database
[11:56:39] <yang>	how?
[11:56:49] <yang>	ah ok
[11:57:46] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r55849 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: minor code style tweak :)
[11:57:53] <RoanKattouw>	In fact, you should probably give the wiki user all permissions on the wiki database while you're at it
[11:57:53] <vvv>	What's supposed output of {{formatnum}}? A raw number?
[11:58:08] <RoanKattouw>	vvv: A decimal-separated number, I think
[11:58:33] <RoanKattouw>	So {{formatnum:123456789.12}} would be something like 123,456,789.12 in English
[11:58:37] <Splarka>	depends on content language
[11:59:40] *vvv 	feels it needs an argument validation
[12:00:14] <yang>	RoanKattouw: yes, I am doing that
[12:02:41] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=formatnum
[12:02:46] <yang>	RoanKattouw: very well, it worked, thanks. I am now trying to integrate http://www.waltercedric.com/component/content/article/1482.html , will that work ?
[12:03:52] <RoanKattouw>	yang: That'll work, but you'll have to redo it every time you upgrade
[12:05:22] <yang>	ah, ok, I will note it down
[12:10:30] <CIA-70>	03churchofemacs * r55850 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HistoryPage.php: show move/deletion log on action=history if there is no history
[12:13:10] <yang>	RoanKattouw: I have changed those values, but I don't see that visible anywhere on the page...
[12:14:09] <RoanKattouw>	yang: View the HTML source and check whether the <script> tag you added is there
[12:14:12] <yang>	Now MediaWiki will add the marker in every page
[12:14:18] <yang>	...
[12:14:25] <yang>	What kind of marker
[12:14:43] <yang>	I did it similar to the manual
[12:16:05] <yang>	<script type="text/javascript">if (window.runOnloadHook) runOnloadHook();</script>
[12:16:08] <yang>	<!-- Served in 0.502 secs. --><script type="text/javascript">
[12:16:10] <yang>	its in page source
[12:16:49] <RoanKattouw>	yang: Can you link to your wiki please?
[12:18:06] <svip>	When is 1.16.0 gonna come?
[12:18:17] <RoanKattouw>	When it's ready
[12:18:22] <svip>	I know.
[12:18:40] <svip>	But I want to know when it is safe to do an svn update.
[12:19:02] <RoanKattouw>	yang: Works for me, it loads the Google Analytics script
[12:19:11] <yang>	mmmhm
[12:19:16] <RoanKattouw>	Which means that GA tracks the page view, but you don't see any visible marker on the page
[12:19:28] <yang>	probably doesn't work for me becouse i don't have java support in my browser
[12:19:40] <RoanKattouw>	Doesn't need Java
[12:19:46] <RoanKattouw>	And it does work for you, you just don't notice
[12:19:52] <yang>	on which side of the screen do you see it?
[12:20:04] <RoanKattouw>	It's not visible
[12:20:39] <yang>	ah, it will send information from the website to google analytics only ?
[12:20:45] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[12:20:47] <yang>	on the new visits
[12:20:49] <yang>	ah ok
[12:20:59] <yang>	thanks for looking
[12:29:08] <Duesentrieb_>	RoanKattouw: I had a quick glance at AtomPub last night. supporting a standard api for editing/uploading would really be cool. what do you think? 
[12:29:13] <Mike_lifeguard>	What's the type of span that keeps things from line wrapping?
[12:29:23] *Mike_lifeguard 	tried using nbsp but it didn't work :\
[12:29:49] <Splarka>	style="white-space:nowrap;"
[12:29:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	thx
[12:29:56] <Splarka>	or white-space:pre;
[12:30:00] <Splarka>	doesn't need to be a span
[12:30:08] <Splarka>	can be a table cell, or paragraph, or walrus
[12:31:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	yep
[12:31:55] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb_: I'd have to look at it, see if it's sane and somewhat compatible with MW
[12:32:24] <FF|Skyrider>	Hi everyone
[12:33:44] <Duesentrieb_>	RoanKattouw: it would be cool if you could look at it - the spec is pretty big an low level (it uses PUT and DELETE in additioon to GET and POST). not sure it can easily be put on top of mediawiki - maybe there's a standard implementation which woud coudl plug into. or maybe it's no good, but we could steal some ideas. 
[12:33:58] <Duesentrieb_>	RoanKattouw: basically, i have no idea if we should use it, but it definitely seems to be worht a look.
[12:37:04] <RoanKattouw>	Hm I'm not sure we can handle PUT/DELETE, and I'm also not sure it'll be compatible with our two-pass edit/delete system (requiring a token first)
[12:37:08] <RoanKattouw>	I'll look at it later
[12:46:58] <FF|Skyrider>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball
[12:47:02] <FF|Skyrider>	The page you see at the right
[12:47:05] <FF|Skyrider>	with the image
[12:47:08] <FF|Skyrider>	how do I create such box? :)
[12:48:18] <LauraHale>	Look at the source code?
[12:48:36] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Rollback requested for Simple English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20488  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[12:49:08] <FF|Skyrider>	LauraHale
[12:49:09] <FF|Skyrider>	Tried
[12:49:11] <FF|Skyrider>	not much luck >_>
[12:49:51] <FF|Skyrider>	And when I copy/pasted it..
[12:49:54] <FF|Skyrider>	I'm getting "Permission error"
[12:49:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flood flag for Stragetic Planning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20347  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[12:49:59] <FF|Skyrider>	I no longer have access to my own page...
[12:50:38] <FF|Skyrider>	Akward...
[12:52:06] <FF|Skyrider>	Can anyone share why I completely lost access to this page?
[12:52:17] <RoanKattouw>	Which page?
[12:53:23] <LauraHale>	Then look at Special:Version
[12:53:43] <LauraHale>	See what parser extensions Wikipedia has that you don't.
[12:53:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option on API lists to only have count of links/categories/whatever returned, rather than a full resultset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17993  (10catlow)
[12:55:26] <FF|Skyrider>	I copy/pasted this whole page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball
[12:55:29] <FF|Skyrider>	In to my wiki page..
[12:55:40] <FF|Skyrider>	Is there some kind of permission in this that rejects my access or something? O_o
[12:56:59] <LauraHale>	Look at Special:Version on Wikipedia.
[12:57:07] <LauraHale>	Then look at Special:Version on the wiki you run.
[12:57:25] <LauraHale>	See if there are any parser extensions or SPL on Wikipedia that you do not have installed.
[12:57:38] <LauraHale>	If there are, install them on your wiki.  That tends to resolve that problem.
[12:58:03] <LauraHale>	Wikipedia has a lot of extensions that allow for advanced coding.  You need them installed to duplicate their templates.
[12:59:30] <Splarka>	well, FF probably doesn't need all of them, like Central Auth
[12:59:44] <FF|Skyrider>	mmm
[12:59:51] <FF|Skyrider>	How do I revert the revision though?>
[13:00:14] <Splarka>	you just want "Parser hooks" and maybe "Media Handlers", if that
[13:00:31] <LauraHale>	Probably not all of them. :)
[13:00:44] <LauraHale>	FF|Skyrider: Can you install extensions on your wiki?
[13:00:52] <FF|Skyrider>	Yes
[13:01:03] <LauraHale>	Did you look at Special:Version on Wikipedia?
[13:01:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option on API lists to only have count of links/categories/whatever returned, rather than a full resultset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17993  (10roan.kattouw)
[13:02:10] <FF|Skyrider>	Yea..
[13:02:11] <FF|Skyrider>	Quite a lot
[13:02:19] <RoanKattouw>	You probably only need ParserFunctions
[13:02:34] <LauraHale>	Did you install ParserFunctions on your wiki?
[13:02:54] <LauraHale>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[13:03:01] <thomas_dcgn>	Ahoy @all! Does anyone know, how to open the Help:Editing in a new window (using a freshly installed 1.15.1)?
[13:03:07] <thomas_dcgn>	BTW: Sorry, I'm sure the question has already been answered, but I was unable to find the solution.
[13:03:08] <FF|Skyrider>	Downloading
[13:03:26] <Splarka>	!newwindow
[13:03:26] --mwbot--	You shouldn't do this, but since you asked: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Opening_external_links_in_a_new_window>
[13:03:44] <Splarka>	tho that page is rather outdated
[13:04:03] <LauraHale>	When you get it installed, ask us why the box still doesn't work.
[13:04:18] <Splarka>	target="" is the worst blemish on the web ever, friggen new windows where you don't want them, and no choice given to you, in modern browsers you can easily shift, ctrl, or middle-click links!
[13:04:52] <FF|Skyrider>	Still getting permission error
[13:05:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add 'autoeditor' group and remove 'autopromote' on Russian Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18594  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:06:24] <thomas_dcgn>	Okay, that would also be possible (and much better, bevause it leave's users the choice). Where could I edit the hint that is shown at the bottom of each Edit-page? Right now it lies and says that the link *would* open in an new window.
[13:06:38] <FF|Skyrider>	I see why LauraHale..
[13:06:48] <FF|Skyrider>	CategoryPermissions extension seems to be messing with it
[13:06:59] <FF|Skyrider>	And I know why
[13:07:09] <FF|Skyrider>	When I copy/pasted it, it also created the new categories
[13:07:18] <FF|Skyrider>	With no permissions set on those.. I'm getting an error
[13:07:35] <FF|Skyrider>	How ever.. I disabled it, and see the whole page..
[13:07:40] <FF|Skyrider>	But I still don't see everything properly
[13:08:14] <FF|Skyrider>	I've PM'd you the links.
[13:08:22] <Splarka>	'newwindow'     => '(opens in new window)',
[13:08:28] <LauraHale>	The differences?
[13:08:32] <Splarka>	thomas_dcgn: MediaWiki:newwindow it seems
[13:08:33] <LauraHale>	You need the cite template installed.
[13:08:44] <LauraHale>	Mediawiki code for cite on that page.
[13:09:13] <LauraHale>	Also, if you're borrowing code like that?
[13:09:38] <LauraHale>	You need to create VERY related template that pulls in.  Some of those templates deal with formatting.
[13:09:50] <thomas_dcgn>	@Splarka: Thanks a lot, i'm new to MediaWiki (as you may have noticed ^^) and didn't set up any web application before. That helped a lot and goodbye! Merci beacoup!
[13:09:56] <LauraHale>	Template:Infobox_animanga/Header
[13:10:13] <LauraHale>	Template:Infobox animanga/Footer
[13:10:19] <LauraHale>	Those are just two examples that I can see.
[13:10:35] <FF|Skyrider>	I see
[13:10:44] <FF|Skyrider>	Still confused how to create such box in the right though
[13:11:35] <LauraHale>	You go to Wikipedia, you copy the source from Template:Infobox animanga/Footer and then paste it into an article on your wiki named Template:Infobox animanga/Footer.
[13:11:48] <LauraHale>	You do that until all the Template: 's on the page disappear.
[13:12:07] <LauraHale>	You also install http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[13:12:54] <LauraHale>	When you borrow code from Wikipedia, you mostly need to borrow things on their Template name space.
[13:13:10] <Splarka>	rar
[13:13:11] <LauraHale>	Those extensions are generally the ones that handle formatting for articles.
[13:13:25] <LauraHale>	Splarka: Is my limited knowledge correct?
[13:13:33] <Splarka>	was rarring at thomas_dcgn
[13:13:44] *LauraHale 	is not as skilled at this as the awesome emufarmers and doesn't do much with advanced templates.
[13:13:50] *Splarka 	gives LauraHale a cookie
[13:13:55] <LauraHale>	:P to thomas_dcgn
[13:13:58] *LauraHale 	eats cookies
[13:14:08] *Splarka 	is more awesome than Emufarmers tho!
[13:14:13] *LauraHale 	offers Splarka a bottle of wine to go with the cookies.
[13:14:20] *Splarka 	offers whine
[13:14:27] <LauraHale>	Emufarmers handles the tech end for my wiki. :D 
[13:14:37] <Splarka>	bah, biased then, heh
[13:14:50] <LauraHale>	Of course.
[13:15:07] <LauraHale>	Bias is important to acknowledge.  It is bad to hide it. :)
[13:15:29] <Splarka>	or pretend it doesn't exist
[13:15:54] <Splarka>	I mean, Wikipedia has a huuuuuuuuuuge bias towards those that use language
[13:15:55] <LauraHale>	Yes.
[13:16:05] <LauraHale>	Probably. :)
[13:16:10] <Splarka>	written or spoken words especially
[13:16:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change default search to include the Proposal and proposal talk namespaces on Strategy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20514  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:23:19] <webchatuser>	can one category have 3 names? What do I do? Redirect 3 categories to one?
[13:23:28] <LauraHale>	Er
[13:23:35] <RoanKattouw>	No, you can't do that
[13:23:38] <RoanKattouw>	Category redirects are not supported
[13:23:54] <LauraHale>	You can redirect categories but the articles in the categories are STILL there.
[13:24:06] <LauraHale>	It doesn't automatically move the articles into the new category.
[13:24:30] <LauraHale>	The easiest way to move mass articles like that is to use a bot like pywikipedia bot.
[13:24:37] <LauraHale>	It has a category move option.
[13:33:52] <Guest13444>	if i want to change the title of my wiki, is there a line in localsettings.php
[13:34:21] <Guest13444>	i cant access it at the moment i was wondering how to go about it
[13:34:47] <Duesentrieb_>	!wg Sitename
[13:34:47] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSitename
[13:34:55] <Guest13444>	thanks :)
[13:35:55] <Guest13444>	thought so, i probly shouldnt have asked :p
[13:36:33] <Guest13444>	i... think... thats all i need to know before i launch so thanks guys :)
[13:39:46] <Juandev>	hi
[13:40:10] <Juandev>	is there a tutorial to periodical changes of the articles on the main page?
[13:41:25] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[13:41:46] <Splarka>	you can use a date/time indicator as a page title
[13:41:49] <FF|Skyrider>	Truth being told..
[13:41:52] <FF|Skyrider>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_animanga/Header <-- I have no idea.. how to use this
[13:41:54] <FF|Skyrider>	O_O
[13:42:00] <FF|Skyrider>	all I want is a simple box XD
[13:42:33] <Splarka>	{{Template:Picture of the Day/{{CURRENTYEAR}}/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}/{{CURRENTDAY2}}}}
[13:43:11] <Splarka>	would grab a page called [[Template:Picture of the Day/2009/September/05]] today, and /06 tomorrow
[13:49:40] <yao_ziyuan>	still want to talk about my two suggestions
[13:50:21] <yao_ziyuan>	1. a wiki page is a tree of sections. each section has three buttons: [view] [edit] [discuss]
[13:50:35] <yao_ziyuan>	[view] shows the section's content;
[13:50:42] <yao_ziyuan>	[edit] lets you edit the section;
[13:51:01] <yao_ziyuan>	[discuss] lets you discuss with other users about the section.
[13:51:43] <yao_ziyuan>	2. a new kind of section which is hidden by default and can be shown if a user clicks it.
[13:52:06] <yao_ziyuan>	and it is not listed in the wiki page's table-of-contents.
[13:52:17] <RoanKattouw>	yao_ziyuan: You should file such enhancement requests in Bugzilla instead of mentioning them in the channel on a Saturday
[13:52:25] <Juandev>	Splarka: hmmm
[13:54:09] <FF|Skyrider>	*twitches*
[13:54:11] <FF|Skyrider>	So.. confused..
[13:54:13] <yao_ziyuan>	RoanKattouw: good.
[13:56:28] <FF|Skyrider>	Can someone please help me? :( I'm really getting nuts
[14:01:44] <FF|Skyrider>	God..
[14:01:47] <FF|Skyrider>	This is so damn confusing
[14:04:32] <LauraHale>	emufarmers! :D
[14:04:54] <Emufarmers>	o:
[14:05:22] <Emufarmers>	Help:Editing does still open in a new window; he just had his browser set to ignore target=blank. :)
[14:06:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable variant ShortURLs for Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19019  normal->04CRIT; +comment (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[14:07:34] <Splarka>	noobs
[14:08:48] <Emufarmers>	4noobs
[14:10:51] *Splarka 	sets Emufarmers +c
[14:10:59] <Emufarmers>	o:
[14:12:17] *Splarka 	ponders making pancakes
[14:12:31] <Mike_lifeguard>	crepes are better
[14:15:05] <webchatuser>	can the pagename differ from the filename? Some wiki farms has page titles that can be different from pagename
[14:16:05] <LauraHale>	er
[14:16:33] <Ose>	is there a list of different "&action="s and simillar somewhere?
[14:16:40] *Ose 	dunnoes what they're caleld
[14:17:04] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php
[14:17:26] <Ose>	thanks
[14:26:32] <webchatuser>	ie; article's is saved in "ac", but the title is "Artic Silver"
[14:30:53] <faceface>	how do I completely disable the cache?
[14:31:03] <faceface>	searching manual for cache = no joy
[14:33:09] <faceface>	oh, found it on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_completely_disable_caching.3F
[14:40:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable variant ShortURLs for Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19019  (10liangent)
[14:41:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please enable variant ShortURLs for Chinese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19019  (10xu.jimmy.wrk)
[14:42:50] <Juandev>	how many weeks CURRENTWEEK understand?
[14:45:11] <RoanKattouw>	Juandev: As many as are in the calendar, I guess, which would mean you could get 53 in some years
[14:45:30] <Juandev>	wow ok, Ill try:-)
[15:03:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) TOC should be specifiable to ignore some headings (e.g., for infoboxes) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9078  +comment (10pdbailey)
[15:12:39] <Emufarmers>	arrrgh, die, perl, die
[15:20:49] <Emufarmers>	Installing Bugzilla will instantly make you appreciate MediaWiki ^__^
[15:21:24] <GreenReaper>	Or running WikiStats. ;-)
[15:30:32] <Emufarmers>	Okay, mod_php and mod_perl on the same server = not happening, it seems
[15:31:11] <WaterRatj>	Question: Is there a way to run a php script after regitering?
[15:33:18] <GreenReaper>	Perhaps you want http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/AddNewAccount ?
[15:33:29] <GreenReaper>	You could create an extension that used that hook.
[15:33:45] <GreenReaper>	For pre-made ones see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:AddNewAccount_extensions
[15:34:15] <WaterRatj>	thank you, i'll look into that
[15:34:24] <Emufarmers>	Yay, bugzilla working with fcgi ^__^
[15:35:12] <WaterRatj>	Also, what bot does this chan uses for the telling stuff?
[15:35:25] <Emufarmers>	!help
[15:35:25] --mwbot--	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://toolserver.org/~amidaniel/botbrain.html >
[15:35:55] <WaterRatj>	Tahnk you again :D
[15:36:28] <WaterRatj>	ola seems site is down?
[15:39:01] <Splarka>	can you be less specific?
[15:39:09] <WaterRatj>	haha :p
[15:39:16] <WaterRatj>	The source code link is down from the bot
[15:39:51] <Splarka>	do you need the source that badly? heh
[15:39:57] <WaterRatj>	Nah just mentioning
[15:40:03] <Splarka>	OverlordQ has a copy somewhere
[15:40:21] <WaterRatj>	I'll ask him then when he's on
[15:40:53] <Emufarmers>	http://amidaniel.com/svnroot/trunk/MWBot/
[15:40:53] <Emufarmers>	rawr
[15:57:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rollback requested for Simple English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20488  (10barras-ps)
[15:59:58] <Emufarmers>	"Rollback" sounds awfully complicated
[16:14:29] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55851 10/trunk/extensions/FixedImage/FixedImage.php: Fixed parse error from r55838 :)
[16:31:39] <FF|Skyrider>	Mmmmm
[16:31:45] <FF|Skyrider>	Is there any way for me to hide pages from people?
[16:31:54] <FF|Skyrider>	Like on the special page where you can see all the created pages on the whole wiki.
[16:32:01] <FF|Skyrider>	I wish to hide a few for public view (extension)
[16:32:04] <FF|Skyrider>	if there is any
[16:32:31] <emma>	hi!
[16:32:45] <emma>	could someone tell me how to set my wiki so that only people who log in can edit it?
[16:33:01] <basile>	!access | emma 
[16:33:01] --mwbot--	emma: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[16:33:16] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Mark edits as vandalism edits using Undo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20510  +comment (10catlow)
[16:33:17] <FF|Skyrider>	got an answer for me? :D
[16:33:55] <Emufarmers>	!e Lockdown | FF|Skyrider
[16:33:55] --mwbot--	FF|Skyrider: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
[16:34:39] <WaterRatj>	Is there a way to create users from outside the wiki? like a script, or api?
[16:35:44] <emma>	thank you, how can i tell which mediawiki version i have?
[16:36:01] <guillom>	emma, go to [[special:version]]
[16:36:04] <guillom>	on your wiki
[16:36:06] <FF|Skyrider>	WaterRatj
[16:36:10] <FF|Skyrider>	I believe it is possible, yes.
[16:36:15] <FF|Skyrider>	Such as the vbulletin bridge with wiki
[16:36:45] <guillom>	WaterRatj, there are bridges with LDAP and stuff
[16:36:47] <guillom>	!ldap
[16:36:47] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication
[16:37:16] <emma>	i have 1.13
[16:38:02] <WaterRatj>	Thanks, but i'll write my own function, will be better :p for me offcourse
[16:38:08] <emma>	Pre-1.5
[16:38:08] <emma>	MediaWiki version: 1.4 and before
[16:38:08] <emma>	# Disable anonymous editing
[16:38:08] <emma>	$wgWhitelistEdit = true;
[16:38:23] <emma>	does that look like probably all I need to do, so that people must be logged in to edit?
[16:38:51] <WaterRatj>	emma: stupid question but, you not gonne update MW?
[16:39:04] <emma>	seems like a lot of work.
[16:39:21] <WaterRatj>	you edited alot?
[16:39:45] <emma>	Im not sure what you mean.
[16:39:50] <emma>	you mean created a lot of pages?
[16:39:59] <WaterRatj>	no i mean edited files in your dir?
[16:40:22] <emma>	no i have not done a lot of editing. It's pretty much mediawiki out of the box.
[16:40:36] <emma>	http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org
[16:40:44] <WaterRatj>	then i think you can just upload the new version and change settings to be updated? if i'm not mistaking
[16:40:47] <emma>	we just got hit by like 500 messages by one ip, posting spam.
[16:41:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	so block the ip?
[16:41:27] <WaterRatj>	lol i see o
[16:41:36] <WaterRatj>	al diff ip's
[16:42:05] <emma>	im just going to set it so that only people who log in can edit. That doesn't seem like such an infringement on people's liberty.
[16:42:11] <Mike_lifeguard>	emma: you also need to install some extensions - compare your Special:Version to the one at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:version
[16:42:24] <Mike_lifeguard>	!e SpamBlacklist | emma
[16:42:24] --mwbot--	emma: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist
[16:42:25] <emma>	why do i have to install extensions?
[16:42:41] <Emufarmers>	Mike_lifeguard: somehow I think emma can live without WikiHiero
[16:42:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	well you don't *have to* but... it's a good idea
[16:42:47] <emma>	okay good :)
[16:43:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	I didn't mean all of them :D
[16:43:31] <Emufarmers>	Mike_lifeguard: well, somebody who isn't already familiar with all of MW's extensions isn't going to know which ones you do mean
[16:43:37] <emma>	Club Ubuntu is a laissez faire, independent, and informal community. Nothing very hard can be done very fast :)
[16:44:18] <Mike_lifeguard>	antibot, confirmedit, simpleantispam, spamblacklist would all be good ideas
[16:44:26] <emma>	okay
[16:44:34] <emma>	I will try to put those in there.
[16:45:03] <guillom>	emma, the thing is, even if you restrict access to logged in users, vandals can still register and disrupt your wiki ; if you leave the editing open, but install a few handy extensions to avoid spam, it makes your life easier in the long run
[16:45:15] <MrZ-man>	antibot might be a little excessive for a small wiki as a first step
[16:45:36] <WaterRatj>	Hmm, i forgot the link where it says how you can use same user for 2or more wiki's?
[16:45:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	we maintain a good spam blacklist that you can subscribe to; instructions are listed on the extension page
[16:45:40] <guillom>	Emufarmers, we have WikiHiero at meta?
[16:45:46] <Mike_lifeguard>	MrZ-man: what does antibot even do?
[16:45:53] <Mike_lifeguard>	guillom: all our wikis do
[16:45:56] <WaterRatj>	mae sure bots don't post?
[16:45:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	it's very useful >_>
[16:46:12] <emma>	that sounds pretty good.
[16:46:20] <emma>	I will bookmark this for when Im in a productive mood.
[16:46:25] <guillom>	héhé
[16:46:41] <Emufarmers>	Mike_lifeguard: maybe you shouldn't suggest extensions to people until you actually know what they do :)
[16:46:45] <emma>	Somehow all of it got installed so I must have been more ambitious at some time in my life.
[16:46:58] <emma>	Hopefully I will come around again soon :)
[16:47:24] <Mike_lifeguard>	my understanding is it adds a hidden form element that some simple bots will try to submit and if they do we turn them away
[16:47:26] <WaterRatj>	So anyone know the link ? for same user table for diff wiki's?
[16:47:45] <Mike_lifeguard>	which is why I asked - that seems fairly simple
[16:47:45] <MrZ-man>	its basically like a super-abuse filter, for things like xrumer
[16:47:53] <Emufarmers>	Mike_lifeguard: that's SimpleAntiSpam
[16:48:04] <Mike_lifeguard>	ah, k
[16:48:14] <guillom>	btw, while we're at it, does anyone know what kind of verification we do on upload, to check for duplicates? Is it md5sum?
[16:49:46] <Emufarmers>	                $hash = File::sha1Base36( $this->mTempPath );
[16:49:46] <Emufarmers>	                $dupes = RepoGroup::singleton()->findBySha1( $hash );
[16:50:08] <guillom>	thanks
[16:53:51] <emma>	Im not seeing any $wgWhiteList 
[16:53:59] <emma>	in LocalSettings.php
[16:54:01] <emma>	should I Just make it?
[16:54:43] <Emufarmers>	That's not the setting you should be using; go back to the directions and use those that correspond to your version of MediaWiki
[16:56:05] <emma>	Pre-1.5
[16:56:05] <emma>	MediaWiki version: 1.4 and before
[16:56:05] <emma>	# Disable anonymous editing
[16:56:05] <emma>	$wgWhitelistEdit = true;
[16:56:10] <emma>	That's what it says ^
[16:56:31] <Emufarmers>	You're not running version 1.4 or before
[16:56:33] <guillom>	emma, but you said you had mw 1.13
[16:56:43] <emma>	oh!
[16:56:46] <guillom>	1.13 > 1.4
[16:56:51] <emma>	I thought that was saying 1.14 :)
[16:56:57] <emma>	i didn't think that they would have something so old on there :)
[16:57:06] <Emufarmers>	We really shouldn't
[16:57:25] <Emufarmers>	I'll remove it, actually; people using 1.4 can go to hell :)
[17:02:10] *^demon 	just dropped 1.11 support in extensions
[17:04:04] <emma>	I hope that I did it!
[17:04:45] <emma>	I noticed there were not any $wgWhitelistRead in the localsettings.php so i just copied and pasted from the wiki straight into my localsettings.php
[17:04:47] <emma>	hopefully that works.
[17:04:49] <Emufarmers>	Hope and prayer are not effective debugging techniques
[17:05:57] <emma>	Oh look at this, I have destroyed it. :) --- http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org/
[17:06:27] *Annemarie 	writes an extension to stop wild Mike_lifeguards.
[17:08:01] <GreenReaper>	AntiBot actually does nothing unless you configure it to do something. There's a plugin distributed with it that can be used to block forms that are not submitted the appropriate way.
[17:08:58] <emma>	I think i may have fixed it! 
[17:09:02] <emma>	http://wiki.club-ubuntu.org/index.php/Main_Page
[17:09:10] <Annemarie>	GreenReaper: AntiBot's source isn't public...
[17:09:34] <GreenReaper>	Maybe the source to some of the plugins that AntiBot has aren't . . .
[17:10:21] <Emufarmers>	Hmm
[17:10:26] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sir_Censor this guy isn't very subtle with his socks.
[17:10:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correcting edit summaries (if own, last, & recent) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13937  +comment (10nolan.j.white)
[17:10:59] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Make the minor edit flag editable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20511  +comment (10nolan.j.white)
[17:22:24] <emma>	you know, wikimedia is one of the coolest things ever and you guys who create it and maintain it should really be proud of yourselves.
[17:23:24] <emma>	I saw on the manual if you want to use wikimedia as a private wiki your first step should be, "Ask yourself if wikimedia is right for you"
[17:23:32] <emma>	that struck me as funny for some reason.
[17:24:03] <emma>	oh way this is mediawiki. I meant mediawiki.
[17:24:16] <emma>	You guys made that a little confusing when you chose those names.
[17:30:44] <emma>	does mediawiki support math typesetting pretty well?
[17:31:17] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, provided you have texvc or whatever it is installed
[17:31:25] <RoanKattouw>	<math>LaTeX stuff goes here</math>
[17:31:34] <emma>	that's really nice. 
[17:31:47] <emma>	is it likely that I will have a host that has texvc on it?
[17:31:59] <MaxSem>	yes, if it's *nix
[17:32:04] <emma>	okay good!
[17:32:26] <domas>	unlikely
[17:32:33] <emma>	I dont understand why it should not be that easy on the webpage.
[17:32:35] <domas>	very few distros have it packaged
[17:32:39] <MaxSem>	uh?
[17:32:41] <domas>	so in shared hosting it may be pain to set up
[17:32:41] <emma>	oh that's a shame.
[17:32:47] <domas>	but possible, I guess
[17:32:53] <domas>	as long as you can run external software from your PHP scripts
[17:33:10] <emma>	you mean run it on my own machine or something and call it with php scripts?
[17:38:29] <domas>	well, you have to run it _somewhere_
[17:38:57] <domas>	\o/
[17:38:57] <domas>	flack:~# texvc
[17:38:57] <domas>	The program 'texvc' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[17:38:57] <domas>	apt-get install mediawiki-math
[17:38:57] <domas>	-bash: texvc: command not found
[17:40:35] <Emufarmers>	Eh, all you need is ocaml
[17:41:17] <Emufarmers>	Which is indeed very unlikely if you're on a shared host, of course ^__^
[17:41:58] <emma>	of course I am on a shared host.
[17:42:08] <emma>	Im on nearlyfreespeech.net
[17:42:30] <emma>	domas are you on debian or ubuntu?
[17:42:43] *siebrand 	coughs.
[17:43:03] <domas>	thats ubuntu
[17:43:09] <emma>	okay
[17:43:11] <emma>	just curious
[17:43:17] <domas>	emufarmers: you don't need ocaml to _run_ the stuff
[17:43:20] <domas>	you need ocaml to compile it
[17:43:23] <Emufarmers>	Right
[17:43:47] <Emufarmers>	We could just put up some binaries
[17:44:09] <domas>	we used to
[17:44:20] <domas>	it used to be on SF download page
[17:44:26] <Emufarmers>	but...?
[17:44:46] <domas>	but I have no idea as I don't care much about third party users? :)
[17:44:47] <CIA-70>	03root * r55852 10/branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/storage/recompressTracked.sh: Tim's adjustment for enwiki lag
[17:44:51] <domas>	oh, root
[17:45:13] <domas>	should add an entry in my ssh config
[17:45:17] <emma>	Is there some extension or some thing that must be installed so I can see if my host can handle math on a wiki?
[17:45:57] <siebrand>	emma: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Enable_TeX
[17:46:44] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, I guess I should at least throw up the Ubuntu/Debian binary for people, then
[17:47:23] <CIA-70>	03midom * r55853 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/OutputHandler.php: live adjustment, probably committed to trunk by now
[17:49:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change default search to include the Proposal and proposal talk namespaces on Strategy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20514  (10federicoleva)
[17:49:45] <Emufarmers>	Of course, MW.org won't let me upload files without an extension :(
[17:50:07] <emma>	[clubwiki /home/public/math]$ make
[17:50:07] <emma>	"Makefile", line 25: warning: duplicate script for target "%.ml" ignored
[17:50:07] <emma>	make: don't know how to make util.cmx. Stop
[17:50:22] <emma>	What do you guys make of that (no pun intended)
[17:51:09] <Emufarmers>	You probably don't have ocaml
[17:51:56] <emma>	why would something like this be made in such an obscure language?
[17:52:14] <Emufarmers>	Well, it's a pretty obscure functionality, when you think about it ^__^
[17:52:28] <emma>	Comeon guys, I love you, but if you want people to use mediawiki don't code it in a brainfuck derivative.
[17:52:32] <domas>	emma: actually, I always wanted to get rid of ocaml code, but we're getting more soon
[17:52:32] <domas>	:)
[17:52:35] <Emufarmers>	How many wikis really need to display mathematical formulae (and can't do so with images)?
[17:52:53] <domas>	emma: the guy who wrote the code back in 2003 disappeared
[17:52:57] <domas>	nobody knows what it does;-)
[17:53:08] <domas>	and ocaml is still loved in academia
[17:53:25] <emma>	Emufarmers, i would think a lot have a need for math. I mean math is like the lingua-franca of technical stuff, and especially of math.
[17:53:42] <Emufarmers>	emma: sure, but most wikis aren't about technical subjects
[17:53:45] <emma>	Yeah, I am learning lisp myself so Im sympathetic.
[17:54:02] <Emufarmers>	and I doubt any other wiki package has _any_ math support (though I haven't checked)
[17:54:17] <domas>	knol has quite good math support
[17:54:27] <emma>	Yeah. My webhost actually has lisp and a bunch of other somewhat less used languages.
[17:54:28] <Emufarmers>	knol isn't a package
[17:54:47] <domas>	emma: you can compile the binary elsewhere
[17:54:50] <domas>	on the other hand
[17:55:03] <domas>	it doesn't seem to be ocaml issue
[17:55:06] <domas>	the one you see
[17:55:14] <emma>	oh does it just need to be compiled to a binary and stuck in there some place?
[17:55:33] <Emufarmers>	Right
[17:55:48] <Emufarmers>	is your host using Ubuntu (or some other Debian flavor)?
[17:56:05] <domas>	emma: yup
[17:56:09] <domas>	emma: ubuntu has a package
[17:56:14] <domas>	you can grab the binary out of it
[17:56:15] <domas>	;-)
[17:56:24] <emma>	okay
[17:56:45] <emma>	Emufarmers, im not too sure about that.
[17:56:55] <Emufarmers>	oh
[17:57:18] <domas>	though I wonder if ubuntu/debian texvc has the dvipng change
[17:57:19] <Emufarmers>	I can give you a binary, but I don't know whether it'll work if you're not on Debian :)
[17:58:15] <emma>	yeah hard to say right!
[17:58:19] <emma>	I'll try to see if I can tell.
[17:58:27] <emma>	debian seems like it's at least plausible.
[17:58:48] <domas>	do note, the older ones, which weren't using dvipng, are crap and 3 times slower
[17:59:18] <Emufarmers>	cat /proc/version
[17:59:45] <emma>	ahh, http://nearlyfreespeech.net seems to run on FreeBSD
[17:59:59] <Emufarmers>	hmm
[18:00:14] <Emufarmers>	Ask GreenReaper for a binary, then ^_^
[18:00:19] <domas>	hehehe
[18:00:25] <emma>	hehehe
[18:00:25] <domas>	I have virtualmachines for 20 different OSes
[18:00:28] <domas>	muhuhu
[18:00:33] <domas>	but I charge a lot!
[18:00:34] <domas>	:)
[18:01:10] *GreenReaper 	had enough trouble getting WikiTrust compiled.
[18:03:06] <emma>	I guess it can be done with sticking in pngs eh?
[18:07:29] <Ian13>	 is there a way to generate a <gallery> of a category's images for inclusion in an article?
[18:16:52] <GreenReaper>	You might be able to use DynamicPageList for that.
[18:18:16] <GreenReaper>	An example: http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User:Rat/CandidatesForFeaturedPicture&action=edit
[18:19:39] <domas>	emma: hehe
[18:19:46] <domas>	emma: well, there's a tool that does stick pngs for you
[18:19:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges broken for SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20256  (10maxsem.wiki)
[18:44:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RecentChanges and RecentChangesLinked broken for SQLite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20256   +need-review +patch; summary (10maxsem.wiki)
[18:52:56] <jetole>	hey guys. My company uses mediawiki at work and it's kept internal (not available via the net) for security however my boss just asked me to make a copy of a section and all links 1 level deep so that a department can take it home to study.
[18:53:04] <jetole>	Is there an easy way to do this?
[18:55:26] <domas>	special:export
[18:58:06] <jetole>	domas: thanks
[18:59:59] <jetole>	uh that doesn't apply domas. It creates an XML page
[19:00:17] <jetole>	hardly something that can be read via a usb disk
[19:02:09] <domas>	hehe
[19:02:51] <MaxSem>	why don't you just make your wiki accessible only to logged-in users, but from teh internets too?
[19:03:30] <emma>	how else can people get to your wiki? The US postal service?
[19:10:46] <Emufarmers>	!e DumpHTML | jetole
[19:10:46] --mwbot--	jetole: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML
[19:35:47] <Skizzerz>	TimStarling: you here?
[19:36:26] <charitwo>	21 hour idle time
[19:36:33] <Skizzerz>	bah
[19:36:38] <Skizzerz>	perhaps someone else knows
[19:36:46] <Skizzerz>	does mediawiki.org have a policy on ban evasion?
[19:37:05] <MrZ-man>	mediawiki.org has bans?
[19:37:33] <charitwo>	i doubt there is anything written, i would say use admins best judgement 
[19:37:52] <Skizzerz>	like if someone creates another account to evade a permanent block for harassment, do we block the new account once confirmed or wait for the new account to start exhibiting the same behavior that got the original account blocked?
[19:38:12] <MrZ-man>	what charitwo said
[19:38:15] <ialex>	Skizzerz: mw.org is not as strict as enwiki ;)
[19:38:30] <ialex>	(thanks god :)
[19:38:41] <Skizzerz>	do we still need a checkuser to confirm that the accounts are from the same operator?
[19:41:07] <ialex>	which ones?
[19:41:07] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55854 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/commandLine.inc: 
[19:41:07] <CIA-70>	Fix for r55810: oly set $optionsWithArgs if it's not defined, as in the old
[19:41:07] <CIA-70>	version; when defined by scripts, it's always set before including
[19:41:07] <CIA-70>	commandLine.inc, and thus setting it always to an empty array will break these
[19:41:07] <CIA-70>	scripts
[19:41:21] <ialex>	+n ^
[19:41:23] <ialex>	:)
[19:43:17] <Duesentrieb__>	not really. checkuser is used to detedc tsuck puppets. sock puppets are bad when influencing votes and polls or gaming discussions.
[19:43:24] <Skizzerz>	k, thanks
[19:43:25] <Duesentrieb__>	these things don't really happen on mw.org
[19:56:50] <uberfuzzy|house>	is there a guide or faq on writing extensions? something detailed and technical, not just a glossover
[19:57:42] <Duesentrieb>	!extensions
[19:57:42] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[19:58:10] <Duesentrieb>	uberfuzzy|house: on Manual:Extensions are links to several pages about writing different types of extensions
[19:58:38] <uberfuzzy|house>	i'm having trouble with the logs stuff, setting up the  wgLogNames and wgLogActions stuff
[20:02:52] <CIA-70>	03ialex * r55855 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/Maintenance.php: Fixed E_NOTICE when passing an option that isn't listed in available options
[20:03:35] <ialex>	uberfuzzy|house: you can see includes/DefautSettings.php for how it's defined for core logs
[20:09:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PHP 5.3.0 throws hooks into an error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20383  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:14:57] <Neurotiquette>	How do I make a template for transclusion?
[20:15:08] <Neurotiquette>	Do I just make an article with the name "template:" in front?
[20:15:47] <roberthl>	yes
[20:23:46] <Duesentrieb>	Neurotiquette: actually, you can transclude any page. the template namespace is just the default place.
[20:23:51] <Duesentrieb>	!templates | Neurotiquette
[20:23:51] --mwbot--	Neurotiquette: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. See also: !templateproblems
[20:38:27] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55856 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (33 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-05 20:17 UTC)
[20:40:31] <Ian13>	GreenReaper: cheers
[20:40:58] <Ian13>	is it possible to have a category selection box on the upload form? so that a user can choose from, say, 4 categories
[20:41:20] <GreenReaper>	Hmm. Probably. Maybe they should just type them in though. ;-)
[20:41:32] <GreenReaper>	You could add text to suggest some.
[20:42:33] <Ian13>	ytrue
[20:47:42] <Kfir>	in which table in the database the content of the pages is saved? I thought it will be in page but its not there
[20:48:59] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55857 10/trunk/extensions/ (97 files in 91 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-05 20:17 UTC)
[20:56:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rollback requested for Simple English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20488  +comment (10microchip08)
[20:56:44] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Rollback requested for Simple English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20488  +comment (10microchip08)
[21:04:35] <Bryan>	Kfir: by default in text i think
[21:06:40] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55858 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (14 files): 
[21:06:40] <CIA-70>	* Localisation updates for core special page aliases from translatewiki.net
[21:06:40] <CIA-70>	* add mwEmbed.i18n.php forgotten in r55856
[21:12:26] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55859 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (8 files): Localisation updates for core magic words from translatewiki.net
[21:23:31] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55860 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesCkb_arab.php MessagesEt.php MessagesMg.php): Localisation updates for core namespace names from translatewiki.net
[21:34:43] <Abu-Niyas>	how to enable to edit for IP in talk page only.
[21:36:26] <Abu-Niyas>	i protected all pages for IP. i want unprotect all talk page for IP\
[21:36:37] <Abu-Niyas>	anonimas acsess
[21:37:10] <Abu-Niyas>	restrict acssess
[21:47:41] <Kfir>	how can i insert raw html in the page editor?
[21:50:03] <Bryan>	!html
[21:50:03] --mwbot--	For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[21:56:53] <jd_>	hi. Is it the right chan for a question about the syntax highlight geshi plugin?
[21:57:25] <Emufarmers>	Sure
[21:57:30] <jd_>	fine :)
[21:57:50] <jd_>	I try to specify a default language, as explained here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi#Default_Source_Language
[21:58:11] <jd_>	but it fails. In the mean time, if I specify it directly in the class plugin, it works
[21:58:26] <jd_>	which is not a proper way to do it
[21:59:03] <jd_>	it's defined as global $wgSyntaxHighlightDefaultLang; so I don't understand why it's not recognized when defined in LocalSettings.php :)
[21:59:14] <MrZ-man>	the example is backwards, put the $wgSyntaxHighlightDefaultLang setting after the require_once()
[21:59:23] <jd_>	oh
[21:59:28] <jd_>	makes sens
[22:00:33] <jd_>	working. Thank you! I fix the wiki
[22:00:43] <Emufarmers>	Too late ^__^
[22:00:48] <jd_>	yep :)
[22:01:02] <Kfir>	Bryan: didn't see your replay until now, many thanks :)
[22:01:19] <Bryan>	you're welcome
[22:01:23] <jd_>	bye
[22:03:55] <chuck>	How do I tell if an insert() was a success or a fail?
[22:13:25] <gongoputch>	is there an easy way to include a java applet in a mediawiki page?
[22:13:57] <GreenReaper>	I'd just replace it with javascript.
[22:14:20] <GreenReaper>	something like this: http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[22:14:36] <Emufarmers>	GreenReaper _adding_ JS?  Blasphemy!
[22:14:43] <GreenReaper>	I think MW has a more efficient way of doing onload
[22:15:06] <GreenReaper>	ah, yes, os_hookEvent(window,"load",functionName)
[22:15:49] <GreenReaper>	Not sure that works in common.js though, your mileage may vary
[22:16:01] <GreenReaper>	basically that replaces a div with id JRChatReplace with the applet code
[22:18:22] <svip>	GreenReaper: Got Varnish running on me server. O_O Good stuff.
[22:18:30] <GreenReaper>	Cool.
[22:18:51] <svip>	<_< Better than Squid apparently.
[22:19:22] <svip>	Squid is apparently the incarnation of "how *not* to write C".
[22:19:57] <svip>	>_> And as I understand Squid's purpose changed over the years, while Varnish was created for this exact purpose.
[22:20:10] <Emufarmers>	Heh, open Squid's default configuration file and start scrolling through it.  5 minutes later you still won't have reached the bottom. :)
[22:20:37] <svip>	Emufarmers: Well.  Varnish is apparently more adaptable in its configuration.
[22:20:57] <svip>	Emufarmers: No wonder Wikia's site runs so much better than Wikipedia's.
[22:21:08] <Emufarmers>	Does it?
[22:21:29] <svip>	Emufarmers: Well, the horrid skin and other bad design choices from Wikia obviously pulls its score down.
[22:21:51] <svip>	Emufarmers: But its server is certainly more responsive, while Wikipedia often hang.  I even expect it to.
[22:21:51] <Emufarmers>	Also, any performance disparities are more likely attributable to differing levels of use and funding
[22:22:02] <GreenReaper>	They're both good solutions.
[22:22:28] <GreenReaper>	If you are at the leading edge of website accelleration, I would expect you to be using either Squid 2.7 with COSS, or Varnish
[22:22:38] <svip>	GreenReaper: Squid's problem is that it does use basic kernel features to handle its tasks, and try to do it itself.
[22:22:45] <GreenReaper>	If you are not, it doesn't really matter if you use Squid 3.0 with ufs. :-)
[22:22:46] <Emufarmers>	When Wikipedia "hangs," it's usually just because it's trying to load JS from Meta, as Splarka will tell you ^__^
[22:22:54] <GreenReaper>	Yes, I've read that essay too.
[22:22:57] <GreenReaper>	And lots of other things.
[22:23:36] <svip>	GreenReaper: In addition, I know the head developer of Varnish.
[22:24:32] <svip>	Emufarmers: Does browsers load the JS before the page's content?
[22:24:39] <GreenReaper>	Yes.
[22:24:43] <svip>	That's an odd behaviour.
[22:25:19] <GreenReaper>	Not necessarily. Certainly some if not most JS should not *need* to be loaded first, but some may be.
[22:25:30] <svip>	GreenReaper: I'd go as far as concluding it is a design flaw.
[22:25:38] <GreenReaper>	So fix it. :-)
[22:25:44] <GreenReaper>	Write a bottom scripts thing.
[22:25:56] <svip>	>:| No.  I mean from the browser's point of view.
[22:26:06] <svip>	Firefox should load the content, then get its "subpages".
[22:26:11] <svip>	Or any other browser.
[22:26:21] <GreenReaper>	No, it's a simple logical extension of wanting JS to be able to influence the content at the point of it loading
[22:26:27] <GreenReaper>	If you don't want that you can use the delay attribute.
[22:26:41] <svip>	How can you influence the content if it is not there?
[22:26:57] <svip>	"Got script -- still waiting for that content, eh"
[22:27:22] <GreenReaper>	The Javascript might well rewrite the page.
[22:27:30] <GreenReaper>	You don't know.
[22:27:45] <GreenReaper>	The browser certainly doesn't, unless you tell it that it's safe to defer.
[22:27:54] *GreenReaper 	rewrites delay to defer, above.
[22:27:57] <svip>	GreenReaper: Perhaps, but the content that is in the HTML file originally shipped would either contain nothing or something it needs to rely on.
[22:28:22] <svip>	GreenReaper: Doesn't many browsers ignore defer?
[22:28:37] <GreenReaper>	Firefox gained support recently. I don't know about others.
[22:29:07] <chuck>	svip: putting scripts at the bottom of the page gets around that problem
[22:29:36] <svip>	chuck: I realise that.  But that doesn't mean I can't whine about design flaws in HTML!
[22:29:50] <chuck>	you mean how the browser renders html
[22:30:00] <svip>	And how it treats it.
[22:30:16] <svip>	chuck: Well, the design should also include when includes are supposed to be loaded.
[22:30:39] <svip>	And whether the content should be displayed before the arival of includes.
[22:30:41] <svip>	arrival*
[22:31:50] <gongoputch>	!java
[22:31:50] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "java". You might try: !charinsert !javascript !js !refresh !sorttable 
[22:32:03] <WaterRatj>	!js
[22:32:03] --mwbot--	To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (NOT a file, a page on your wiki, which is included via <script>) as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /monobook.js (assuming your skin is monobook) subpage of your userpage.
[22:59:03] <uberfuzzy|house>	how does mediawiki choose which option is the default on on special:block?
[22:59:11] <uberfuzzy|house>	default one*
[23:06:12] <uberfuzzy|house>	ah, nvm, i found it, buried in SpecialBlockip.php,
[23:09:52] <sprax>	anyone running mod_auth_sspi on a WAMP stack?
[23:10:40] <sprax>	I've read some tips about making it work with MW, but none are preventing the blank post issue. Running Apache 2.0.53, mod_sspi 1.0.4 MW 1.15
[23:14:24] <ACWiki>	bonjour
[23:14:41] <ACWiki>	hello
[23:14:54] <Neurotiquette>	I'm using template:Cite_Journal, extracted entirely from en.wikipedia.org, and I'm trying to figure out how to make the citations NOT link to DOI/ISSN article?
[23:15:03] <Neurotiquette>	Any inpput on how do I go about this?
[23:15:30] <CIA-70>	03siebrand * r55861 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/ (. OpenStreetMap.yml README): Maybe working basic support for OpenStreetMap
[23:16:18] <ACWiki>	who can explaim me how to move my wiki at an other host (sorry for my english i'm french)
[23:16:21] <WaterRatj>	hmm how can i make email required?
[23:16:49] <ACWiki>	@WaterRatj for sign up ?
[23:16:59] <WaterRatj>	uhu
[23:17:22] <ACWiki>	please wait
[23:17:49] <WaterRatj>	I will :d, not running anywhere :)
[23:19:03] <ACWiki>	i think it's this: $wgEmailAuthentication = true;
[23:19:11] <ACWiki>	put it on localsettings.php
[23:20:16] <WaterRatj>	Wll, isn't that just for sending a link to activate account?
[23:20:49] <CIA-70>	03aaron * r55862 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Move checkboxes back a bit
[23:21:46] <WaterRatj>	Think,$wgEmailConfirmToEdit will make more since to me
[23:22:42] <ACWiki>	so if i understand the users must put e-mail for the registration ?
[23:22:52] <ACWiki>	because i have enable this option
[23:23:30] <WaterRatj>	yes i just want them to need to put email(now its optionol) but i don't want to send a email with confirm link
[23:24:12] <ACWiki>	yes i see
[23:24:35] <WaterRatj>	:d
[23:25:12] <ACWiki>	it's ok try this on localsettings.php : $wgEmailAuthentication
[23:25:50] <ACWiki>	the value it's true by default
[23:26:00] <ACWiki>	so i don't must to put it to true
[23:26:22] <WaterRatj>	well no , if you don't want them to send confirm link
[23:26:41] <Neurotiquette>	If I brok my template:Citation/core, could it cause a StringUtils.php timeout?
[23:26:59] <WaterRatj>	other var makes you enter email and doesn't send link :d to email
[23:27:00] <Neurotiquette>	Or is my webhost provider simply screwing me around again?
[23:27:07] <WaterRatj>	thats atleas wha i'm gonne try
[23:27:55] <ACWiki>	WaterRatj try it, because here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEmailAuthentication
[23:28:57] <WaterRatj>	yeah but i don't want that :o
[23:29:07] <WaterRatj>	On account creation or when users change their passwords or on request, a confirmation token (link) with a limited life time is mailed to that unconfirmed e-mail address.
[23:29:16] <WaterRatj>	i don't want the wiki to send email to my users
[23:31:08] <ACWiki>	maybe this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgPasswordSender
[23:31:43] <WaterRatj>	ill use the other one for me , think it suits me best
[23:31:52] <WaterRatj>	$wgEmailConfirmToEdit
[23:32:30] <ACWiki>	ok
[23:33:09] <WaterRatj>	Thanks for the help anyway :d
[23:33:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable the AbuseFilter on the Bavarian Wikipedia [barwiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20515 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[23:33:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flood flag for Stragetic Planning - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20347  (10gopher65)
[23:33:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rollback requested for Simple English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20488  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:34:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rollback requested for Simple English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20488  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:38:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rollback requested for Simple English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20488  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:42:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable the AbuseFilter on the Bavarian Wikipedia [barwiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20515  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[23:47:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate AbuseFilter on itwikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20216  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[23:53:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change default search to include the Proposal and proposal talk namespaces on Strategy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20514  (10JSchulz_4587)