[03:55:48] so the only thing that would apply is the class=center [03:56:10] how much ya wanna bet simple doesn't define that (or oldShared or whatever it is) [03:56:26] or, wait, is simple a monobook skin? *checks* [03:57:11] simple doesn't even load shared.css [04:00:02] ahh [04:00:11] /simple/main.css [04:00:21] div.center { text-align: center;} [04:00:27] /monobook/main.css [04:00:46] /* emulate center */ .center {width: 100%;text-align: center;} *.center * {margin-left: auto;margin-right: auto;} [04:00:50] it needs that second bit [04:01:08] Annemarie [04:02:14] Hmm, all right. Think I should file a bug? [04:02:38] 03(mod) Cannot enable ParserFunctions with mediawiki 1.15.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20525 (10herd) [04:02:41] make a new dev fix it, they're a dime a dozen now [04:27:05] hi [04:27:26] any of you have used breadcrumbs? [04:27:37] What about them? [04:27:38] im getting an error with this extension: Extension:CategoryBreadcrumb [04:27:50] hi Annemarie [04:27:50] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryBreadcrumb [04:28:05] I think there's a better extension somewhere? [04:28:32] Annemarie, i found other extensions, but most of them dont do what i want [04:28:47] i wanna create a category herarchy [04:29:16] not to "store" the navigation trial trought the wiki [04:30:03] using the mentioned extension in mediawiki 1.15 i get a "MediaWiki internal error." [04:34:20] 03(mod) using ISBN, DOI, URI, ... in references (ref element) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20441 (10virtueller_andy) [05:02:46] im trying to stop users that are not registered from editing pages [05:03:21] can anyone point me in the right direction [05:03:25] or give me a hand [05:03:33] !prevacc [05:03:33] --mwbot-- For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [05:03:35] the administrators faq covers it [05:06:08] thanks, and one more question.. in the next major release is the blacklist going to be incorporated into core? [05:06:41] I'm not aware of any concrete plans to do that, sadly. [05:07:00] the whole thing should really be rewritten anyways, so it's not as simple as simply merging the code in or something [05:07:30] !mw Regex-based blacklist [05:07:30] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Regex-based&go=Go [05:08:11] at some point it is easier to just go to the URL and copy paste, than try to remember the proper !-macro syntax [05:08:17] why does everyone like jquery so much? the docs really suck [05:08:18] im a little confused.. is restrict anonymous .. restricting all non registered users? [05:08:23] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Regex-based_blacklist [05:08:41] Tim: I hate jquery, but I don't count [05:09:26] It's popular enough that even if the docs suck, there should be plenty of good example pages. [05:10:06] I don't want example pages, I want a manual to memorise [05:10:27] TimStarling: until the next release when the manual changes [05:10:28] needhelp1: yes, anon = nonreg [05:10:33] even if I memorised every single example, I'd still get stuck when I tried to do something that nobody else has done before [05:10:36] Splarka: thanks [05:10:48] '*' is every user, 'user' is registered users, but is a subset of '*' [05:11:08] and if you remove a right from '*' you must give it to 'user' group if you want them to have it [05:11:09] so just add ... $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; .. at the bottom of my Localsets file? [05:11:13] yah [05:11:57] hum... so in this case im removing editing from '*' ... so i would have to add it to 'users' ? [05:13:02] if you want reg users to edit, yes [05:13:16] unless it is given in DefaultSettings (don't remember) [05:13:21] interesting.. shouldnt 'users' already have that option ? [05:15:31] are the default settings for groups inside the localsettings Splarka ? [05:16:11] no, they're in DefaultSettings.php [05:16:14] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain [05:16:29] $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = true; [05:16:39] looks like it is given, so I guess you don't need to [05:17:35] cool [05:18:47] is their another path to take that i have overlooked for fighting spam besides requiring registered users? [05:19:24] !e SpamBlacklist [05:19:24] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist [05:19:58] i wish it was in core :( [05:20:22] also ConfirmEdit and other captchas [05:20:38] it must of been a bot but something/someone was editing and deleting full pages :( [05:22:47] MediaWiki is too popular, the target of too many spam networks [05:24:38] i would also argue that the backend and administration methods of mediawiki has the breath of a dinosaur [05:25:14] just my opinion though [05:26:42] as you've stated repeatedly [05:27:02] it's good, keeps people from installing mediawiki, which keeps it from being /too/ popular, and making more spambots target it specifically [05:28:27] hey guys i am using ubuntu 9.04 and xampp (lampp) to host a web site i am trying to create short URL's but it come back with the following error "Object not found! The requested URL was not found on this server. If you entered the URL manually please check your spelling and try again. If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster. Error 404 thehub.ath.cx [05:28:27] Mon 07 Sep 2009 15:27:13 EST [05:28:27] Apache/2.2.12 (Unix) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.2.12 OpenSSL/0.9.8k PHP/5.3.0 mod_apreq2-20051231/2.6.0 mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.10.0 " [05:28:51] mediawiki should focus more on third party users .. and handle any common spam issues as they arise [05:29:21] ? [05:29:53] needhelp1: what does "handle any commons spam issues as they arise" mean? [05:30:38] There are all sorts of extensions provided for blocking spam. [05:30:53] Most require some knowledge in order to use them safely, though. [05:31:23] http://thehub.ath.cx/wiki is the web siter [05:31:26] That, and the fact that most wikis don't by default block you from doing things, is why they're not in core. [05:31:37] spamblacklist luckily has the ability to pull a reasonably well-maintained blacklist from Meta [05:31:45] tomas1: I would presume that you're doing it wrong. [05:31:45] if the community notices/gets regular questions and concerns regarding spam, then the community should work to develop resolutions to fix those common issues and incorporate them into core... greenreaper not everyone uses extensions [05:32:04] i am doing it the way the site says to do it [05:32:05] Well, if they don't use extensions then they need to start using them. That's what they're there for. :-) [05:32:28] my code inside http.conf is as follows Alias /wiki /opt/lampp/htdocs/w/index.php [05:32:44] This is how the functionality is provided, for those communities - including Wikipedia - that run public wikis that are liable to be spammed. [05:32:44] with /opt/lampp/htdocs/w/index.php being the folder path [05:33:00] if the extension is suggested to be used in almost every installation then shouldn't it be added to core? seems like managing spam would be of every admins concern [05:33:24] On the contrary. Many people install MediaWiki in controlled internal environments where spam is a non-issue. [05:33:24] YES it should be in core [05:33:29] NO the code isn't ready to move into core [05:33:52] but it is ready to be released as a community supported extension draugefilekim? [05:33:52] i got the information from this page http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Recommended_how-to_guide_.28setup_used_on_Wikipedia.29 [05:34:08] So is the file actually in that location, tomas1? [05:34:14] needhelp1: SpamBlacklist *is* a community-supported extension [05:34:16] GreenReaper: good point [05:34:26] Personally I'd like to see some *offered* on installation. [05:34:48] Like "hey, you've installed it, but here's some extensions that might be useful" [05:34:52] i agree.. id also like to see a backend to manage all this.. installing and removing extensions [05:35:07] pre-packaged extensions that are automatically enabled on installation based on ticked boxes? [05:35:07] viewing the repo of avalaible extensions stuff like that [05:35:25] feel free to submit a patch :) [05:35:26] Well, if we made it too easy we wouldn't be able to whore ourselves out for wiki consulting services. ;-) [05:36:02] seriously though, there are finally concrete-ish plans for a configuration database, so you may see sensible administration coming up [05:36:17] ive been dreaming of the day [05:36:38] It's just a matter of time. Up to this point, a lot of time has been spent just making it a good piece of software capable of runing one of the top-10 sites in the world. [05:37:45] ive never been a fan of software intentionally made hard to manage in order to boast consultation services lol [05:38:03] Oh, draugefilekim is Mike. [05:38:11] is not! [05:38:19] and Annemarie is a whore [05:38:25] im not saying it is.. im just replying to the statement [05:38:30] Only sometimes. [05:38:48] "concrete-ish" is a bit too definitive. [05:38:58] There's talk about maybe implementing something sometime. [05:39:06] (LATER) [05:39:11] I'd be shocked to see it done before the end of the year. [05:39:13] Annemarie: something like a ACP ? [05:39:16] *Annemarie marks charitwo REMIND. [05:39:30] I don't know what an ACP is. But sure. [05:39:39] admin control panel .. admin backend [05:39:48] Sort of, yeah. [05:40:01] Something that will allow people to configure their wiki (or wikis) without editing LocalSettings.php. [05:40:12] and a less boring Special:SpecialPages [05:40:27] And more cowbell. [05:40:30] END the need to have ssh access for running scripts [05:40:31] *draugefilekim questions needhelp1's definition of "backend" :| [05:40:49] I have a nice backend. [05:41:00] *apergos challenges Annemarie to prove it :-P [05:41:05] pics or it didn't happen [05:41:10] :-D [05:41:32] Not sure I have any pictures of it... [05:41:44] any one [05:42:02] i think it would be nice to be able to preform the maintenance scripts from a "backend" .. without having to have access to ssh [05:42:11] Maybe. [05:42:13] needhelp1: you can write a proposal about it on the strategy wiki, you can writ e a patch that implements some of what you propose, you can write a letter to wikitech-l with an outline of your idea and see what people think [05:42:17] Maintenance scripts can have issues. [05:42:21] i cant get the short URL's to work [05:42:23] Some take forever to run. [05:42:25] but you will have to take the initiative I think. [05:42:39] Others can error in weird ways leaving the DB broken. [05:43:02] Annemarie: happened to me a few times :( [05:43:27] *Annemarie adds "photos of backend" to to-do. [05:43:32] Can someone help poor tomas1? I've never used short urls and I know nothing about apache to help them figure it out [05:43:56] thanks for being honest draugefilekim [05:43:58] Did you graceful apache? [05:44:05] Is your site public? [05:44:13] Did you set the appropriate variables in LocalSettings.php? [05:44:19] What happens when you visit the site? [05:44:20] yea you can get to it from http://thehub.ath.cx [05:44:26] I accidentally the whole apache [05:45:00] $wgScriptPath = "/w"; # Path to the actual files. This should already be there [05:45:01] $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1"; # Virtual path. This directory MUST be different from the one used in $wgScriptPath [05:45:01] $wgUsePathInfo = true; # Enable use of pretty URLs [05:45:01] Thats whats in may localsetting.php [05:45:16] I don't know what that last one is. [05:45:19] Sounds made-up. [05:45:23] !wg UsePathInfo [05:45:23] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUsePathInfo [05:45:29] lol [05:45:41] do you have rewrite rules [05:45:48] !rewriteproblem [05:45:48] --mwbot-- 1) Try as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root. [05:45:56] i found it at the following address http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Recommended_how-to_guide_.28setup_used_on_Wikipedia.29 [05:46:06] tomas1: So what are your redirect rules? [05:46:08] My Internet is too damn slow.... [05:46:21] Ok, serving up eight pages per second from mediawiki without squid simply rocks... [05:46:27] what youmean [05:47:13] You need to setup appropriate redirect rules. [05:47:28] is the "large example" listed here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSpamRegex still current? anyone use this? [05:47:50] how do i do that [05:48:14] tomas1: Did you gracefully restart Apache? [05:48:30] hehe forgot that step hold on [05:48:56] needhelp1: looks ok to me, nothing obviously wrong [05:49:22] dunno how much help it'll really be though [05:49:28] whys that? [05:49:32] I wonder what Wikimedia's wgSpamRegex is [05:49:52] well look at that lol i am sorry guys i just for got to restart <-- new to linux [05:49:59] mostly because it's out of date, and it doesn't block any spam domains [05:50:12] draugefilekim: it is on noc.wm [05:50:22] for example: 'commonswiki' => '/overflow\s*:\s*auto\s*;\s*height\s*:|kryptonazi|freizeit-diktator/i', [05:50:26] I thought it was in the private files [05:50:35] huh [05:50:36] nein [05:50:40] well there you have it [05:50:44] InitialiseSettings.php at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ [05:50:53] that's just commons, the default is different (too long to paste) [05:50:54] needhelp1: maybe take a look at ours to see what we are actually blocking in production [05:51:01] thanks to everyon [05:51:03] 'wgSpamRegex' => array( [05:51:03] one [05:51:14] draugefilekim: where is it located ? [05:51:20] InitialiseSettings.php at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ [05:51:42] oh, and it isn't much use for you for blocking spam [05:51:53] the Spam Blacklist is, tho [05:52:00] *draugefilekim said that already :) [05:52:08] bear bear bear [05:52:21] By the way, aggregate watchlist data now available on the TS. [05:52:32] you're available on the TS [05:52:43] Only sometimes. It's a cruel and fickle mistress. [05:52:50] one other question i have is how do you change the main_page thing [05:52:50] so can you use that data to find and vandalize unwatched pages? [05:52:58] edit MediaWiki:Mainpage [05:53:07] Yes, you could. [05:53:09] that defines what the logo links to [05:53:19] Though it'd be easier to analyze page views and wiki activity times. [05:53:36] Annemarie: sounds BEANSy, is it available to all users on TS? any tools using it yet? [05:53:54] No tools using it. Available to all TS users (for now, at least). [05:53:57] there was a reason Special:Unwatchedpages was Sysop only [05:54:02] *Splarka shrugs [05:54:06] just sayin ^_^ [05:54:10] Yes, it was a stupid reason, though. In my opnion. [05:54:13] Opinion, even. [05:54:26] preventing vandalizing unwatched pages is stupid? [05:54:36] Any site small enough to use it uses RecentChanges. For any big site, it's useless. Also, bots and inactive users can easily screw up everything. [05:54:44] are you being en.wp-centric again? [05:54:53] Not particularly. [05:55:11] I've used it on personal sites. It's not very useful. [05:55:42] im just gona restrict anony users [05:56:08] 24 users watch your talk page, Splarka. [05:56:52] 03(NEW) [WISHLIST] Adding Project namespace in eo.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20527 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (haikara90) [05:58:21] dear wikibugs, I want a pony [05:58:54] there is so much wrong with that bug.... [06:00:26] so can users use the new acai [06:02:27] or babaco [06:03:40] If you're running 1.16alpha, maybe. [06:04:06] [06:04:16] AryehGregor: :o [06:04:21] 03(mod) Adding Project namespace in eo.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20527 +shell; summary (10raimond.spekking) [06:08:59] 03(mod) Adding Project namespace in eo.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20527 +comment (10public) [06:28:17] 03(mod) Adding Project namespace in eo.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20527 +comment (10haikara90) [06:38:09] lalalalala...... [06:56:56] http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3159/021robottattoo.png captchas in the futuuuuuuure [06:57:37] Haha [07:00:04] hey guys i have my media wiki up and running the next question i have is that i have "Strict Standards: Creating default object from empty value in /opt/lampp/htdocs/elgg/engine/lib/elgglib.php on line 1486" up the top of my wiki how would i go about hiding errors [07:05:10] any one [07:06:24] lower error reporting level, change display_errors to 0, etc [07:06:48] where is that held [07:07:00] whever your php.ini is [07:07:02] *wherever [07:07:17] although given that file, the error seems unrelated to mediawiki [07:07:39] yea there not i just dont want it to display it [07:10:36] http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Magic_words&diff=274733&oldid=273831 <-- doesn't this seem a little redundant? [07:11:12] since the first parameter is always the tag name, the second is always the content, you want empty content, you have empty second parameter... [07:11:15] ok i changed display_errors to 0 or off and it still shows [07:14:08] why wont it just not display [07:14:17] http://thehub.ath.cx/wiki [07:14:21] and you will see what i mean [07:20:08] not seing any error messages [07:20:12] *seeing [07:23:11] 03(mod) Handling of tel: URIs in SMW is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20503 (10N/A) [07:23:39] Ok, I need some help [07:23:50] because I'm reaaaalllllly annoyed. [07:24:29] 03(mod) Handling of tel: URIs in SMW is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20503 (10N/A) [07:24:39] Does anyone know why my site is redirecting to my wiki [07:24:59] It skips ph1r.net and goes to ph1r.net/wiki/Main_Page [07:26:39] nevermind [07:26:41] I got it [07:26:50] stupid .htaccess lol [07:27:50] [thank you for using the new MediaWiki self service station.] [07:35:09] 03(mod) interwiki properties and their external counterparts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20374 (10markus) [07:43:37] 03(mod) Special:Export ignores parameters limit, dir and offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18180 +comment (10azliq7) [07:55:03] How do I speed up my page edits? They're absurdly slow on a low demand website, with little actual content on page. [07:55:35] Nuro: Get a better server [07:58:38] !tuning | Neurotiquette [07:58:38] --mwbot-- Neurotiquette: [07:58:49] miser mode? [07:59:21] only helps if it's a large wiki [07:59:50] apc will probably be a major boost [08:02:33] In retrospect, I probably should have gotten some food for my dorm room [08:02:56] now it's 4 AM, I can't sleep, I'm hungry, and there's nothing to eat [08:03:05] I don't even have a roommate to devour :( [08:03:31] make a cardboard sign and wander the halls "Will write PHP for food" [08:03:53] I would, but even the people who woke me up by being loud have gone to bed :( [08:04:49] no vending machines? [08:05:17] None that I could findn [08:05:53] new to campus? google for that dorm's floorplans? [08:06:11] Now there's an idea [08:06:16] *Emufarmers roasts Splarka [08:06:22] *Splarka is digital [08:06:34] But I forget which dorm I'm in [08:06:39] I'll have to look it up :v [08:06:55] are you even at the right school? [08:07:01] v: [08:07:05] heh [08:14:21] meow [08:15:11] moo [08:17:41] o: farm animals! [08:17:45] *Emufarmers eats [08:18:33] meh [08:18:40] the list of messages to change is much longer nowadays [08:19:23] woof [08:19:54] Dogs are not farm animals :\ [08:20:02] BUT WE CAN MAKE IT ALL FAST IN THE CODE [08:20:09] BY FIXING THE INITIALIZATION HAHA [08:20:31] <.< [08:42:52] 03mkroetzsch * r55912 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (languages/SMW_Messages.php specials/Relations/): removed all code for outdated (and disabled) "FlawedAttributes" special page. The new property "has imporper value for" is used since SMW 1.4.2 to get an overview of input problems, so this specialpage won't reappear. [08:46:29] 03(mod) Special:WantedCategories shows categories that are "not wanted" or already exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19969 (10malafaya) [08:55:07] 03mkroetzsch * r55913 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_QueryResult.php: some code restructurnig and documentation; +new function to access subject of a result array [08:57:49] 03(mod) Special:Export ignores parameters limit, dir and offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18180 +comment (10azliq7) [09:03:43] 03mkroetzsch * r55914 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_QueryResult.php: +new function getResults(), more documentation [09:08:49] 03(mod) Set WP namespace alias to NS_PROJECT in Bengali wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20367 (10jayantanth) [09:09:13] 03(mod) Create Portal namespace of Bengali wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20314 (10jayantanth) [09:09:32] 03(mod) Set custom upload URL for Bengali Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19418 (10jayantanth) [09:14:29] 03mkroetzsch * r55915 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_QP_Table.php storage/SMW_QueryResult.php): some code simplifications [09:20:07] 03mkroetzsch * r55916 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/AskSpecial/SMW_SpecialAsk.php: remove support for old service interface (using parameter encoding of in SMW 0.7) [09:34:24] 14(INVALID) Cannot enable ParserFunctions with mediawiki 1.15.1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20525 (10roan.kattouw) [09:36:55] 03mkroetzsch * r55917 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_Embedded.php: Simplified code based on new getResults() method to directly access query result pages [09:38:05] 03(mod) Adding Project namespace in eo.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20527 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [09:43:27] 03(mod) Special:WantedCategories shows categories that are "not wanted" or already exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19969 (10roan.kattouw) [09:43:40] 03(mod) Adding Project namespace in eo.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20527 (10haikara90) [09:46:35] 03(mod) Adding Project namespace in eo.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20527 (10roan.kattouw) [10:08:42] hey guys is there a way to copy a group of tempelates from wikipedia to my own wiki [10:09:07] use [[Special:Export]] and then [[Special:Import]] on your wiki [10:09:15] and tell it to take the other required templates [10:09:26] there may also be some css you need to copy [10:09:33] ok [10:10:50] so that special export will allow me to take all child templates as well [10:10:58] or is there something i will need to do [10:12:00] tomas1: Special:Export has a checkbox that says "Include templates" or something [10:12:28] ok i clicked all of them will see what happeneds [10:14:20] the box to pull the full history and another one to pull the children templates as well [10:14:28] *there is a box [10:15:15] and there should be a box somewhere to save the output as a file for the import page [10:21:15] it's really odd. I've got my mediawiki, using an ldap extension. it works for me, but not for my colleague. [10:21:18] it's really odd. I've got my mediawiki, using an ldap extension. it works for me, but not for my colleague. [10:21:21] oups [10:21:24] sorry [10:21:27] I mean, it works for me to log in, but not for my colleague. [10:23:09] maybe I could try experimenting with the ldif file. [10:26:35] is there a way to get a spreasheet on a wiki ? [10:27:14] chalcedony: I've think I might've seen some extension for that. [10:27:22] oh kewl [10:27:39] chalcedony: on the other hand, I might've dreamed it up. [10:27:43] :) [10:27:46] =) [10:28:01] sometimes what we want is only in dreams.. but it sure would help my projects if it can be done [10:28:10] gamla_kossan: there was a email about that in the mailing lists the other day, hangon [10:28:21] ty p858snake_ [10:28:49] try: Resolved: The cn and the userID have to be identical. [10:29:12] p858snake_: thanks mate, checking that now [10:30:31] p858snake_: doesn't seem to be that :/ [10:30:37] thanks though. [10:31:18] gamla_kossan, could one insert a chart ? [10:31:54] what's really odd is that the only difference between his and my ldif files seem to be that I don't have the fields "sambaPasswordHistory" as well as "sambaAcctFlags". [10:32:03] chalcedony: sorry, don't have a clue. [10:32:49] ah [10:32:54] well, thanks :) [10:38:05] 03(mod) Adding Project namespace in eo.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20527 (10haikara90) [10:48:30] 04(REOPENED) when TOC is hidden, it should not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482 +comment (10fomafix) [11:04:34] I was wondering if someone can help me adding some nifty tables. [11:08:31] 03(NEW) interwikimap misses latest entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (ralf) [11:11:12] EG: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan [11:11:14] i set up an extension that uses ParserAfterTidy hook. the idea is that it injects some html on the page depending on whether or not the page happens to be in given category. now the problem is that to figure out in which categories does the page belong to i have to call $wgParser->parse which calls all hooks (leads to recursion). any ideas how to work around this problem? [11:11:20] See the table in the right? with the world image? [11:11:23] I need something like that. [11:12:57] FF|Skyrider: need where? [11:12:57] mibbim: You get a $parser object in ParserAfterTidy, use $parser->getOutput()->getCategories() [11:13:11] RoanKattouw: oh right. of course! thanks :) [11:13:38] you should ban globals :) [11:15:54] 14(DUP) interwikimap misses latest entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [11:15:57] 03(mod) Missing interwiki prefixes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19838 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [11:18:16] http://www.thewikiz.com/wiki/Main_Page is this a good free wiki farm? [11:19:21] seems like they just did an automated import of a lot of information. [11:19:29] *thedj has little trust in it. [11:19:45] Or wiki-site.com ? I'm looking for some mediawiki farm [11:20:33] *the* mediawiki farm is wikia :) but not everything fits there. check their terms [11:21:05] better say "a farm powered by mediawiki" [11:22:09] true, it's a wiki farm, not a mediawiki hoster. [11:33:26] in the good old days farms used to have animals. now we have render, wiki and whatnot farms :P [11:36:00] *werdna waves RoanKattouw [11:36:09] *werdna farms Duesentrieb [11:37:59] werdna: how's the wiki talk page thread system coming along? [11:39:04] *RoanKattouw waves back at werdna [11:40:14] mibbim: it's pretty fancy, have you seen it lately? [11:40:41] werdna: nope. just wondering whether or not i should add it to the wiki of my project :) [11:41:00] well, it's getting pretty close [11:41:11] have a look at http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Talk:Main_Page [11:42:10] cool tool JS :) [11:44:28] add media wizard (the tool) seems to be broken but that's probably just ok [11:44:31] i like live preview [11:44:53] related to add media wizard i wrote an extension to allow uploads on JS box :) [11:44:59] it's probably the same thing :P [11:45:45] nm. media wizard window appeared on top part of the page :) [11:46:20] add media wizard is not LiquidThreads [11:46:32] it's related to a raft of JS improvements that need to be acti vated for LiquidThreads to work. [11:46:39] werdna: The Start a new discussion link doesn't work for me [11:46:45] I wrote live preview, but I thought it was broken on LiquidThreads [11:46:53] It takes me to http://wiki.werdn.us/test/scripts/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&lqt_method=talkpage_new_thread but I don't see a way to write stuff there [11:47:08] RoanKattouw: I keep forgetting to fix that bug [11:47:42] I'll just add a reply then [11:50:07] "The patch is usually labeled v1.0, and it says a lot about the game that a file patches it up to version 1.0." [11:50:08] lol [11:51:02] AaronSchulz: link? [11:53:01] Hello all, I'm having trouble backing up my wiki database, here's the error i get: [11:53:05] werdna: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/video/6086530/big-rigs-over-the-road-racing-video-review [11:53:05] mysql> select * from user; [11:53:05] ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'wikidb.user' doesn't exist [11:53:24] spl0de: Are you using a table prefix? Try SHOW TABLES; [11:54:32] there's no table prefix [11:54:38] here's what happens if i use mysqldump [11:54:39] mysqldump: Got error: 1146: Table 'wikidb.archive' doesn't exist when using LOCK TABLES [11:54:58] i've seen similar errors on google [11:55:01] but they don't seem to help [11:55:13] does SHOW TABLES; show the tables you expect, lke user and archive? [11:55:18] spl0de: Try running the SHOW TABLES; query to see which tables are present in your DB [11:55:25] yeh [11:55:27] they're all present [11:55:38] did you delete the ibdata1 file? [11:55:44] huh? [11:55:45] no [11:55:52]

to prevent resizing bugs. do not enable popups on Special:Book. [14:28:53] 03jojo * r55934 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (4 files): fix the "noscript-case", use it when JS is enabled, too [14:29:11] 03jojo * r55935 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (6 files in 2 dirs): various fixes & tweaks [14:29:32] 03jojo * r55936 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: accidentally deleted wrong msg [14:29:45] 03jojo * r55937 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (4 files in 2 dirs): "book mode" => "book creator". render stop-book-creator page. [14:29:56] <^demon> commitspam :\ [14:29:58] 03jojo * r55938 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (7 files in 2 dirs): "book mode" => "book creator". render stop-book-creator page. [14:30:20] 03jojo * r55939 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.suggest.php: when removing an article form the colleciton, also ban it [14:30:30] 03jojo * r55940 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: fix system msgs [14:30:44] 03jojo * r55941 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: system msg adjusted [14:31:00] 03jojo * r55942 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.templates.php: only use checkbox-stuff w/out JS [14:31:09] 03jojo * r55943 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (4 files): allow disable suggestion feature. show at most wgCollectionMaxSuggestions suggestions. fix caching. [14:31:25] 03jojo * r55944 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.i18n.php CollectionCore.i18n.php): move sys msg to core msgs [14:31:39] 03jojo * r55945 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (5 files in 2 dirs): use jQuery on suggestions page, added status & undo feature [14:31:57] 03jojo * r55946 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (4 files): moved msgs, load them [14:32:16] 03jojo * r55947 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.suggest.php Collection.templates.php): special case for 1st suggestion. only include suggestions w/ val>1. [14:32:27] 03jojo * r55948 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/js/popup.js: fix [14:32:39] 03jojo * r55949 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/js/popup.js: fix [14:32:49] 03jojo * r55950 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.suggest.php: filter in the right place [14:32:54] <^demon> jojo isn't on IRC is he? [14:32:59] 03jojo * r55951 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/js/suggest.js: update book creator box [14:33:12] 03jojo * r55952 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fix msg loading [14:33:28] 03jojo * r55953 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.i18n.php Collection.session.php): delete book on disable [14:33:40] ^demon: You want to ask him to stop developing so much? [14:33:41] 03jojo * r55954 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.i18n.php: s/article/page/g [14:33:53] 03jojo * r55955 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/js/collection.js: refresh book creator box on show book page [14:34:04] 03jojo * r55956 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.php: raise style version [14:34:09] <^demon> avar: I want him to commit less patches in 30 seconds :) [14:34:13] 03jojo * r55957 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.templates.php: tweak styling [14:34:25] 03jojo * r55958 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.suggest.php Collection.templates.php): refactored [14:34:38] 03jojo * r55959 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.suggest.php: better algorithm [14:34:42] I bet he's doing git svn commit [14:34:44] ^demon: He's probably using the git-svn gateway. But it would be better to fix the IRC bot which seems to be what's bothering you. [14:34:49] 03jojo * r55960 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.suggest.php: fix: use preg_quote() [14:35:00] avar: no, the problem is with all these tiny commits, which are hard to review, clutter the history and so on [14:35:12] avar: he should use something that can convert all his tiny commits into one commit to svn [14:35:22] <^demon> That would be nice. [14:35:37] i've never seen simetrical commit in this annoying fashion, so i don't think git-svn is the problem [14:35:52] I think a lot of tiny commits is better (except that it floods the channel) [14:36:16] within reason, of course [14:36:34] some of these are clearly redundant, or are part of a larger change.. there's no benefit to having them separate [14:36:38] Peoples maybe here some other users of LDAP Auth extension? [14:36:53] I really need your help ) [14:37:00] flyingparchment: Tiny commits done right are easier to review since you have more information. If the reviewer finds it easier to view one large one he can always merge it on his end before viewing the diff :) [14:37:10] right, what avar said [14:37:12] (not that I've looked at those ^^ by jojo) [14:37:13] when done right, of course. [14:37:30] 14:32 < CIA-70> jojo * r55948 /trunk/extensions/Collection/js/popup.js: fix [14:37:30] 14:32 < CIA-70> jojo * r55949 /trunk/extensions/Collection/js/popup.js: fix [14:37:33] that's not right :) [14:37:42] heh [14:37:50] why is 'raise style version' a separate commit? how can you review that? [14:37:57] well presumably he forgot it [14:38:31] yes, that's my point; committing like this is not helpful [14:39:09] flyingparchment: jojo's specific commits might suck. I'm just saying generally speaking it's easier to review something people produce with a dvcs [14:39:45] Even if his commits *do* suck you at least get granularity like "only use checkbox-stuff w/out JS" in there where otherwise you might only get "I HAVE MADE A HUEG COMMIT AND FIXED A LOT OF STUFFS" if he was using a different VCS [14:42:43] Some way to combine diffs would be pretty cool [14:44:13] werdna: in special:code ? [14:44:28] no, in general [14:47:02] Like svn diff -rX:Y ? [14:47:11] That's the thing I don't like much about git [14:47:17] Many, many commits [14:47:51] vvv: well, it's not compulsory :) [14:47:55] avar: no [14:47:55] If git is so awesome, doesn't it have an option to merge commits together before pushing them to SVN? [14:48:03] RoanKattouw: It does. [14:48:12] like diff --combine patch-file-1 patch-file-2 [14:48:12] werdna: does it have "merge commits" command? [14:48:21] there's git commit --amend [14:48:36] werdna: You could probably write a shell script to do diff --combine [14:48:48] RoanKattouw: there is no diff --combine [14:48:51] that's my point [14:48:54] there should be [14:49:08] Yes, I know, but it could probably easily be implemented as a shell script [14:49:11] Does git diff provide a patchable diffs? [14:49:16] yes [14:49:19] How? [14:49:20] but you use git apply, not patch [14:49:30] that way it adds all the files and what-not. [14:49:33] What do you mean how? [14:49:43] You can rewrite git's history before you push upstream. But there's no reason to do so in principle. [14:49:52] vvv: git diff > my.patch [14:50:20] E.g. I have a git diff-generated patch. I have a non-git copy of repo to which I want to apply my diff [14:50:42] vvv: yes, patch -p0 it's a normal patch [14:50:51] they're the same damn format [14:50:51] Is it? [14:51:04] Yes. it's called the "unified diff format" [14:51:18] I know [14:51:49] <^demon> werdna: I think you can -b CIA now. [14:51:57] But for some reason it shows as diff from "a/file" to "b/file" [14:52:21] vvv: so patch -p1 [14:54:09] Yes. any prefix to the path is implementation defined. You can also add more stuff to diff files, like comments [14:54:36] Which is what git format-patch takes advantage of [14:55:53] *khannz want to find someone who have working LDAP Authentication extension. I have a couple of questions about it =( [15:00:23] is there a way for my site to hide its wiki from people? we haven't gone live yet and we think some people may be stealing the content and framework of it for theirs [15:00:57] obviously it will be public when we go live, but it's a feature for our site, and we haven't slaved away at it for another website to present to the public as their feature [15:02:58] !access | Luminette [15:02:58] --mwbot-- Luminette: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [15:03:46] If you are worried about content theft, change your license. [15:04:06] If they do steal it and the license doesn't allow it, then DMCA them. [15:10:02] i don't even want to inspire ideas or let them reword things at the moment [15:10:19] our site isn't live so the content isn't going missing from the eyes of anyone but potential thieves [15:10:37] Nikerabbit, where did you see that? [15:10:52] Nikerabbit, it would be helpful if you were more specific when telling me about problems in my commits. [15:10:59] Luminette: did you see the link I gave you? [15:12:01] *AryehGregor investigates [15:12:14] Ah. [15:12:42] I see it. [15:15:56] AryehGregor: what did I say? [15:16:09] [090907 02:04:07]

[15:16:09] [090907 02:04:16] AryehGregor: :o [15:16:51] oh [15:16:56] Then make your license remix on the site only. [15:17:07] some stupid output in special preferences [15:17:09] And not licensed to be used elsewhere. [15:29:06] Notice: Undefined index: conversiontable in /var/www/git-trunk/phase3/includes/LocalisationCache.php on line 234 [15:33:57] 03(NEW) Wrong search suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20529 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (gtisza) [15:35:06] <^demon> Wasn't that reported last week or something? [15:39:26] ^demon: imho, that's a lucene bug, not a core bug [15:40:05] <^demon> ialex: Yeah, but I could've sworn I saw the exact same issue like a week ago [15:40:56] either way we should slap rainman-sr until he fixes it [15:41:05] once he's back from his fancy schmancy language course in argentina [15:41:14] <^demon> Ah I found it. [15:42:10] 14(DUP) Wrong search suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20529 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:42:23] 03(mod) Use Unicode Character Folding for accents, punctuation chars in search index - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4430 +comment (10innocentkiller) [15:47:01] hello, is there an "easy" way to use accounts I already have from my website for wiki users? (and only them) [15:47:21] by "easy" I mean as little hacking as possible [15:47:23] =) [15:47:23] What you mean? [15:47:31] K-Yo: look at AuthPlugin [15:47:43] it's quite simple to write one to use passwords from an existing auth system [15:47:43] mbe write php script to export them to wiki? [15:47:48] K-Yo: it depends on where these accounts exist [15:48:01] well, I have a restricted website, and I want users of my site (those with the good rights) to be allowed to edit pages, and them only [15:48:14] Duesentrieb, they exist on databases I made myself [15:48:17] just export them and import them in wiki [15:48:26] imade a script like tha for my own wiki to [15:48:31] K-Yo: then you have to write the corresponding auth-plugin yourself [15:48:41] okay [15:48:44] as flyingparchment said: [15:48:46] !auth [15:48:46] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin [15:49:05] i'll have alook at that AuthPlugin =) and adapt it =) [15:49:05] WaterRatj: that's proibably harder than writing a plugin, and not as nice :) [15:49:24] Duesentrieb: Depends what you want :p [15:49:27] K-Yo: you don't adapt one, you write a new one - AuthPlugin is an interface [15:49:33] K-Yo: there are a lot of implementations for different things out there, ranging from htpasswd to ldap... [15:49:35] WaterRatj, the problem with your solution is that each account I'll create, I have to copy it in the wiki db... [15:49:44] flyingparchment, okay, thanks =) [15:50:20] thank you everyone=) you have one channel where there are more answers than questions ^^ [15:50:32] :p [15:50:34] good thing for a project =) [15:52:59] mediawiki sucks!!!! [15:53:34] AuthPlugin is fail [15:53:38] autoauthenticate is way to go [15:53:39] \o/ [15:54:03] wth [15:54:24] wtf! [15:54:24] time to get my wip [15:54:30] "AutoAuthenticate: Removed in version 1.13.0" [15:54:41] str4nd: hooks are still there, probably named in different way [15:54:47] oh well [15:55:03] UserLoadFromSession [15:55:23] how did you guess?!!!? [15:56:17] originally I did that to have my intranet authentication work ;-) [15:56:43] heh [15:58:37] name one good feature of mediawiki! [15:58:48] 03(mod) Add option for editors in preferences to always show diff to latest flagged revision - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20058 (10pbirken) [15:58:54] domas: supports postgres [15:58:56] ;) [15:59:01] does it? [15:59:10] most of the time [15:59:14] and yes, I did that part!!! [15:59:15] ;-) [15:59:23] *domas giggles [15:59:29] nah [15:59:35] you did that $wgIsPG shit [15:59:42] hehe [15:59:46] Tim rewrote it afterwards [15:59:50] then I added on top of that [16:00:01] but in that shit [16:00:06] I identifid all incompatibilities [16:00:11] (damn, why do you have to spoil the story!) [16:01:21] anyway [16:01:29] I had first mediawiki that worked on PG! :) [16:10:17] is there any tutorial on how to properly use AuthPlugin (how fail it is, domas =) ) [16:13:47] try looking at some of the examples, K-Yo [16:13:59] anyone wants to guess what this list means: http://p.defau.lt/?0uX2kvRHzMEmixJmr4aNkw ?:) [16:14:11] junior probably knows it [16:14:12] :) [16:16:49] domas: most used/expensive messages incl. {{SITENAME}}? [16:16:55] yup [16:16:55] :) [16:17:03] well, they're in every page [16:17:06] yeah, that [16:19:09] anyone have auth plugins (of any sort) and/or mail functions set up on a dev installation and has a few minutes to beta my new UserLogin/CreateAccount pages? [16:19:50] it is shame, that they make mediawiki much slower for every mediawiki user [16:20:24] domas: wait, so I shouldn't have committed that patch that allows bash shell scripting to be embedded in those messages? [16:20:42] :) [16:20:59] there're certain messages where scripting is very welcome [16:21:10] but opensearch-desc and pagetitle and such are extremely painful [16:22:02] rofl [16:22:20] 04(REOPENED) Wrong search suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20529 +comment (10rainman) [16:22:32] http://wikimarkup.wikia.com/ [16:22:51] [18:19] wiki markup? i.e. http://mediawiki.org [16:23:00] Ajraddatz> Ose: It is liek that, but with better UI [16:24:11] domas: we use AuthPlugin :) [16:24:48] werdna: and autoauthenticate too [16:24:55] werdna: did you come up with an idea about YOUR BUG? [16:25:04] MY BUG? [16:25:09] :) [16:25:20] it's in all cpas? [16:25:22] caps* [16:25:25] :) [16:25:42] we could mebbe stash it in the user object and store it to memcached or something [16:27:29] mebbe [16:29:01] hmmmm [16:29:05] wtf is this localisationcache thing [16:29:46] ugga [16:30:15] domas: something that doesn't parse megabytes of i18n file on every load (or load them from apc) [16:30:18] on default mediawiki install it isn't that graceful [16:30:30] werdna, where could I see examples? I tried to find some, but couldn't get any :/ [16:30:37] database query for each item [16:32:52] and then each string inside database is serialized message [16:32:53] hm [16:33:17] domas: only in the default implementation; IIRC you can cache stuff in various different ways [16:33:26] you don't have to use the db [16:34:04] well [16:34:11] I exactly am talking about default implementation at the moment [16:34:17] that is something we ran away from five years ago [16:34:38] can we have more sensible defaults in mediawiki, than 3x slower code? :) [16:34:58] ? [16:35:00] is it five years from that? [16:35:27] yeah about that [16:35:32] time does fly... [16:35:33] :S [16:35:43] it is five years since we stored messages one-by-one inside database :) [16:35:50] (and loaded them one by one) [16:36:30] it can't be that slow to load a message from the database :o [16:36:53] well, it isn't slow in a way [16:36:58] it is faster, than, e.g. your blink [16:37:05] :) [16:37:23] but it is round-trip, over the network, quite often [16:37:28] and if you load all, you waste memory [16:37:37] what is the solution (or compromise?) then [16:37:41] load some? :)) [16:37:58] it preloads some [16:38:46] on default mediawiki install it does 18 queries for a single pageview [16:38:51] for localisation [16:38:52] say "to hell with languages other than english" and just cut out all of that foolish i18n stuff? [16:39:38] you'll be pwn3d by en messages anyway [16:39:40] domas: the preload list sucks? :o [16:39:56] chuck: english isn't any special in mediawiki... you need to load it too [16:40:00] Hi ! [16:40:14] nikerabbit: probably [16:40:27] Is there a way to automagically follow all the pages from a categrory (even the pages that aren't created yet) ? [16:40:42] well, if we dropped all language support, we could just replace wfMsg and such with hardcoded messages [16:40:57] theocrite, what do you mean by "follow"? [16:40:59] and we could just rewrite everything in prolog [16:41:16] anyway [16:41:17] and how non-existent pages are supposed to belong to a category? [16:41:32] 18 queries for something what can be done with one doesn't make much sense :) [16:42:04] our messages system is in constant pain [16:42:07] MaxSem: sorry I wasn't clear. I meant be notified by email. This would be the same thing as choosing manually all the pages from a category and require a notification. [16:42:10] I know if CDB is used, these problems go away [16:42:17] but how to make CDB used by default? :) [16:42:19] (Is that clear now ? Sorry for my bad english) [16:43:15] 03(mod) Wrong search suggestion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20529 (10gtisza) [16:43:29] hehehe [16:43:52] enabling cache directory definitely helps [16:44:23] cache is really helpful for large categories. [16:44:37] And not having DPL running on category pages for large categories. [16:44:42] Otherwise, time outs. :( [16:50:29] *theocrite guesses that the answer is no, then. [16:50:34] any takers for my beta request? [16:50:44] anyone with AuthPlugins and/or e-mail [16:50:50] enabled on a test install [16:50:55] ??? [16:50:57] Um [16:51:00] What does it do? [16:51:20] *LauraHale was not paying attention [16:51:22] I've been rewriting Special:UserLogin and Special:CreateAccount [16:51:33] bring them into the 21st century [16:51:43] I've tested them on my box [16:51:47] but it doesn't have e-mail [16:51:51] or any Auth plugins [16:52:01] so anyone who does [16:52:02] You can e-mail emufarmers. He is Fan History's tech guy. I don't mind testing it out. [16:52:04] would be very helpful [16:52:09] I just don't have the ability. [16:52:15] lol [16:52:28] emufarmers(@)gmail.com re:Fan History [16:52:40] 03(NEW) Recent changes IRC feed for uk.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20530 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: IRC; (jarry1250) [16:52:45]