[00:00:35] 14(DUP) After the spam blacklist blocks an edit, show the edit form akin to edit conflicts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16757 +comment (10herd) [00:00:38] 03(mod) Spam blacklist match should show error above edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9416 +comment (10herd) [00:01:05] 03(mod) Spamblacklist loses ongoing edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17903 (10herd) [00:01:08] 03(mod) Spam blacklist match should show error above edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9416 +comment (10herd) [00:01:39] 03(mod) Say use BACK key. Else returnToMain will throw away the users edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17683 +comment (10herd) [00:01:43] 03(mod) Spam blacklist match should show error above edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9416 +comment (10herd) [00:01:50] No, when $wgImgAuthDetails is turned on, it sends the detailed rejection message to both the log and the browser. When off, it only sends the default "you can [00:02:03] meh, 9416 has more comments and is more grandfathered, but 16757 has patches, but both are quite stale [00:02:13] 'When off, it only sends the default "you can't do that" to the browsers, but the details to the log. [00:02:42] 03tparscal * r56081 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Added some styles used by the SimpleSearch extension - they are here cause that extension is really just some JS that will eventually be in core. [00:03:00] When $wgImgAuthDetails is turned on, it tells the user WHY they can't do that in the browser. [00:03:20] Same error msg as sent to log. [00:03:22] Pathoschild: it will process twice AFAIK, if there are no arguments it will return the same data [00:03:34] Thanks. [00:03:42] uncyclopedia uses RandomSelection, and a recent update (I think to 1.14) broke some templates, like {{chess/row}} [00:03:51] the fix was a dummy parameter. {{chess/row|}} [00:04:10] Tim has pondered having identical parameter sets return identical data, though [00:04:41] the problem is, some wikis use things like the Variables extension or RandomSelection and need templates to be parsed each time [00:04:52] brion: yes, I agree with what you said there [00:05:01] note that RandomSelection disables cache, but {{foo}} and {{foo}} still return the same data [00:05:04] *Splarka gives tim a cookie [00:05:07] I don't think it's worth caching unless the profiling says it's significant [00:07:08] if it is significant, a simple fix would be to remove it from the default screen, and to require the user to send a help=1 parameter [00:08:05] easy enough to make the full help a click-through as well, just keep a very brief note on the first screen [00:08:16] yes [00:08:21] i imagine a lot of hits to api.php are just "hey what's this" and don't actually need to hit the full help [00:08:37] "api.php? I'd hit it" [00:08:47] heh [00:09:01] 03yaron * r56082 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Undid last revision, fixed some formatting, added "Page has default form" special property [00:09:05] *Splarka had to beg roan to remove help from &format=jsonfm [00:09:16] it sends the help if you make an error of any kind, e.g. http://shimmer/farm/testwiki/api.php?action=foo [00:09:41] sorry http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=foo [00:10:01] 70k of text on one line, since json specs don't allow linefeeds or something (regardless of the fact that jsonfm adds linefeeds, meh) [00:10:14] TimStarling: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=foo&format=jsonfm [00:10:28] 03(NEW) Page look-and-feel (and login status) differs by page/user/browser after upgrade from 1.12 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20555 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (kane.muir) [00:10:36] it only sends help for 'fm' formats, and not for jsonfm per above problems [00:11:25] 03yaron * r56083 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Fixed message that changed in MW 1.16, small bug fix, added 'sfCreateFormField' hook [00:11:32] the idea still stands though [00:11:48] *Splarka nods, just sayin! [00:13:04] I was looking at the Wordpress script loader yesterday to see if they had any good stealable ideas [00:13:23] 03yaron * r56084 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_LinkUtils.inc: Converted handling of 'Has default form', 'Has alternate form' and new 'Page has default form' into single function, getFormsThatPagePointsTo() [00:13:59] and they do, they allow scripts to be loaded either from the header or the footer, and they've moved all their well-maintained scripts to the footer except jQuery [00:14:24] that means that the page loads and displays before the scripts are loaded [00:14:39] they say it makes sense because no script does anything before the DOM ready event anyway [00:15:27] 03(mod) Spam blacklist match should show error above edit box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9416 (10jidanni) [00:16:28] werdna: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/images/spinner.gif?pathrev=56057&revision=56057 looks bad on non-white backgrounds [00:16:32] also they have a dependency system, so if you ask for say jquery-ui-sortable, it'll automatically load jquery-ui-core before it, and jquery before that [00:17:10] Splarka: hmm, annoying [00:17:25] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Splarka/Throbber [00:18:01] werdna: where is the original ajax-loader.gif ? [00:18:20] skins/common/images [00:18:30] it came from http://www.ajaxload.info/ [00:18:45] there's a "transparent background" option :) [00:18:59] ahh, yah, that place [00:19:03] >_< [00:19:13] basically if you want a throbber to work on all backgrounds, you have to construct it manually [00:19:24] like the second row in the example above [00:19:32] (or not use transparent backgrounds) [00:20:12] hm [00:20:13] any alpha gradient or resizer is going to have edge artifacts to some degree merging semitransparent pixels to some color [00:20:20] (even if it is to itself) [00:20:49] *Splarka uses big words to pretend to be able to explain complex ideas [00:21:03] brion: thoughts? [00:21:11] there are plenty of other options there [00:21:12] me have club, me crush image ? [00:21:20] Alphos: ding! [00:21:22] ^^ [00:22:06] Splarka: we could use one of those box-type one [00:22:08] ones [00:22:37] heh, I even like the sunflower, because it looks good on that light blue on en.wp non-main namespaces [00:22:51] *Splarka has no taste, except in edge pixels [00:22:52] squares, one of the bar one, or the facebook style one [00:23:12] the three squares one works on all backgrounds [00:23:14] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Loading.gif that one looks good on any background [00:23:31] and one of the design you just committed could be done similarly, though manually [00:24:12] yes that one also works, although I want a bigger one [00:24:13] 32px or so [00:24:34] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/images/ajax-loader.gif?view=co this one also looks bad on non-white, hmm [00:24:55] 12 bars... [00:25:00] Splarka, please, they prefer to be referred to as backgrounds of color [00:25:04] that's the same one [00:25:29] yah, but I thought the problem might have just been from it being resized, but I see the original sucks, heh [00:25:41] Emufarmers: lets segregate the ajax loaders! [00:25:42] You suck. [00:25:44] whites, coloreds [00:26:57] hmm [00:27:27] going to bed in a moment [00:29:09] nini [00:29:11] When plugging an image in is there a way to specify the SIZE of it (when it shows up on the page) as well as provide a caption ala thumb? [00:29:34] yes [00:29:41] hehe how do i do that [00:29:51] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images [00:31:03] i was looking at that [00:31:49] Look harder [00:32:37] use your browser page-search engine [00:32:56] ctrl-F (command-F on mac) [00:35:06] [[File:Rickets.jpg|frame|40px|Rickets]] ? [00:35:13] with Rickets being the caption [00:38:05] werdna: still here? [00:39:03] http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4909/throbberallbackgroundst.gif [00:39:11] ? pywikipedia is invite only? what happened? [00:39:14] quick test, drew it manually^ [00:40:12] introuble: wat? [00:40:26] the channel, is kicking guests [00:41:11] Neurotiquette: frame prevents resizing, don't use frame [00:41:50] ahhh... thank you Splarka [00:42:53] is there a cross-wiki-engine compatible bot? one that has the basic edit, delete, create functions that work in most engines? [00:43:56] pywikipedia ? [00:45:02] :-: [00:46:26] 03yaron * r56085 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/libs/SF_ajax_form_preview.js: Javascript file for displaying page preview within the form, by Stephan Gambke [00:47:34] 03yaron * r56086 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormClasses.inc: Every created form definition now gets a div that allows for preview within forms [00:47:46] *Splarka wonders how such a bot would work, since markup is quite different on different wiki engines [00:48:28] do most wiki engines even have an API? [00:48:36] 03yaron * r56087 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_Utils.inc: Added 'Page has default form' special property, and inclusion of new Javascript file [00:49:02] 03yaron * r56088 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.8.3 [00:49:11] MrZ-man: bots don't need no stinkin' api! look at pywikipediabot [00:49:16] :P [00:50:42] hmm, http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=don't+need+no+stinkin' [00:53:21] #mediawiki don't need no stinkin' Emufarmers either :x [00:53:23] *Alphos ducks [00:53:44] o: [00:53:50] ^^ [00:55:37] indeed it does not [00:56:00] *Splarka hoses down and delouses Emufarmers [00:56:06] *Splarka anoints with rose oils [00:56:15] all better [00:57:49] wow, a guy just tested his car brakes [00:57:54] fail [00:58:13] some bent metal and broken lights... [01:01:19] 'tested' on purpose? [01:03:45] Splarka, how do I change the URL of Main_Page on my mediawiki install? If you visit the root directory of my homepage (i.e. just go to www.perciavalle.com) it pulls up /wiki/Main_Page [01:06:55] [163008] Poem extension iirc [01:07:04] thanks, i'll add that to my list :( [01:07:10] :) [01:07:21] :| [01:11:19] Neurotiquette try searching Main Page on the mediawiki site [01:11:30] don't click on "Go", but on "Search" [01:11:38] the answer is in the 1st page of results [01:13:12] ooh, a scavenger hunt; sounds fun! [01:16:00] Emufarmers :D [01:23:50] I've setup my wiki for the foreignrepo for images ... but it doesn't seem to be storing a thumbnail and loads the images from off-site each time... [01:25:34] Advice ? [01:29:11] Werdna: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Splarka/Throbber added two more, based on the one you uploaded [01:39:49] I've setup my wiki for the foreignrepo for images ... but it doesn't seem to be storing a thumbnail and loads the images from off-site each time... Advice ? [01:42:23] do you have thumbnail conversion set up locally? [01:43:10] Not sure. [01:43:23] have a look at this [01:43:25] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration [01:43:39] *Daworm looks [01:46:28] OK so I moved my TOC to the bottom of a wiki page... How do I create a link at the top that links to it? [01:46:38] To jump down to the ToC? [01:46:52] in a nutshell you might need to look at the vars $wgUseImageMagick $wgImageMagickConvertCommand $wgFileExtensions $wgSVGConverter $wgTmpDirectory $wgImageMagickTempDir [01:47:06] set up the programs you want to use for converting various types of files [01:47:15] make sure the directories all have the right perms [01:47:28] and it will start working [01:51:47] I don't see any a name tags in the toc area [01:51:55] so I don't know how you'd link to it [01:52:42]

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[01:52:53] what about that? id="toc" [01:56:17] [[#toc]] [01:56:49] apergos: name is deprecated for id [01:57:19] ah, I was thinking html-literally [01:57:23] instead of wikitext-y [01:57:26] thanks [01:57:45] well, # anchors work in html literally for id as well as name, for all browsers with more than like .001% market share [01:58:09] shows what I know [01:58:20] clearly my html knowledge is from the dark ages [01:58:50] Splarka if there is a that matches an id, i imagine the anchor is preferred to the id ? [01:59:23] well, that is illegal and you go to jail [01:59:28] :D [01:59:35] http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#h-12.2.3 [01:59:41] > The id and name attributes share the same name space. This means that they cannot both define an anchor with the same name in the same document. [01:59:55] so there is no agreed resolution to that, and different browsers do different things [02:00:24] the question was with anchors ;) [02:01:00] hm [02:01:03] right, the preferred syntax in mediawiki was [02:01:13] but that IIRC has been deprecated in the move to HTML5... or maybe earlier [02:01:18] i shouldn't have decided not to sleep tonight [02:01:36] anyway, you can't do that in wikicode so everyone uses id="" for manual anchors [02:01:55] AryehGregor could tell you more [02:01:57] *Splarka brbs [02:04:38] thanks for the [[#toc]] splarka [02:08:00] What sections was it I should concentrate on to get images working ? [02:08:14] freenode webchat locked up and closed on me so can't remember 'em [02:08:17] I have the mw link atm [02:12:49] (06:46:52 μμ) apergos: in a nutshell you might need to look at the vars $wgUseImageMagick $wgImageMagickConvertCommand $wgFileExtensions $wgSVGConverter $wgTmpDirectory $wgImageMagickTempDir [02:12:49] (06:47:06 μμ) apergos: set up the programs you want to use for converting various types of files [02:12:49] (06:47:14 μμ) apergos: make sure the directories all have the right perms [02:12:50] Alphos, Splarka: if there are multiple elements with the same name/id, then the first one is the target of hyperlinks. [02:12:59] (sorry, I'm mostly doing other things) [02:13:04] ok thanks AryehGregor :) [02:13:05] HTML 5 specifies that, since it's what browsers do anyway. [02:13:44] but do look at the mw page, it will have all of the gory details and more [02:15:06] ty apergos I'll look at the temp dir settings as everything else appears ok. [02:15:16] okey dokey [02:15:31] you can try running conversions from the command line as the web user too [02:15:39] sometimes that will point out difficulties [02:15:41] nutz >.< [02:15:49] $wgImageMagickTempDir was added in 1.14 [02:15:56] what are you running? [02:15:58] So 1.13 didn't cache local copies then ? [02:16:04] 1.13? [02:16:08] I'm mirror'ing a live wiki atm on my own host. [02:16:15] oh it might have had a default value, I dunno [02:16:37] (I expect it just wrote em in /tmp or something) [02:16:39] and rather than download / upload all the images. Just cache them for a week on first access. [02:16:51] I see, makes sense [02:16:55] mmm [02:17:09] Plus it has the whole use of 3 people (primarily myself) :) [02:17:16] on my local mirror'd copy. [02:17:19] gotcha :-) [02:17:26] I'm admin of the main, I just don't have backend access at this stage (still working on that) [02:17:36] I have local installs with thumbs, images, maths and all other kindsa crap [02:17:44] used by a grand total of 1 (one) person :-P [02:19:29] Hurm, how to cache thumbnails? Even though it's just me... I don't want to be hitting 25 images each page load from the main wiki host >.< [02:19:45] I have a lot of CTRL + F5's... :) [02:21:10] Other than upgrading to 1.14 or above. [02:22:19] hurm, would $wgUseFileCache do the trick for me ? [02:22:49] damn [02:22:53] ah no, that's only anon's >.< [02:24:22] *Daworm files that tidbit away for future use though [02:25:01] you can set the thumbnail repo to be different from the image one [02:25:02] but [02:25:08] only in 1.15 [02:25:19] (at least I think it made it into 1.15) [02:25:19] mmm [02:25:38] otherwise it's going to get thumbs from the same place as the images [02:25:46] why oh why did they have to install when 1.13 was the latest release (at the time) >.< and not upgrade! (sigh) [02:25:50] and that will be from the remote host, which then will do the generation etc [02:25:54] so many cool features came in 1.14 and 1.15 :) [02:25:58] *and not upgrade*. yeah [02:26:14] Am working on the upgrade though. hopefully soon :) [02:26:18] good! [02:26:49] I've used a bug report I saw for Block IP vunerability (fixed from 1.14 and up) as a "serious reason to upgrade" :) [02:27:08] so when time permits the dev / sys admin will upgrade (he's both) [02:27:13] *Daworm goes back to twiddling thumbs otherwise [02:29:56] AryehGregor: isn't there a browser that does something weird, like check all IDs before names? [02:30:20] eg, name="foo" above id="foo" will have lower precedence in it? [02:31:03] nice (stacking the upgrade request) [02:31:55] :) [02:32:40] *Daworm sucks it up and upgrades his local copy [02:33:55] yay [02:35:41] now to upload 10MB via php somehow >.< [02:36:35] But rather than constantly patching MW at every update, it'd be safe enough to just do the quarterly updates yes? Unless something major is broke and gets fixed in a minor patch ? [02:37:16] *Daworm forgot he allows 512MB uploads via php... and he's at work so it uploaded in 10 seconds >.< [02:37:56] oh [02:38:03] yeah you don't have to constantly update [02:38:10] just see about security releases [02:38:26] Yeah - I'm going to encourage them to keep up with the quarterly releases at least. [02:41:14] good [02:48:33] How do I edit the stylesheet used in my mediawiki install?? [02:48:43] I see it referred to as [02:48:51] So can I just edit shared.css? The 207 is throwing me off [02:49:07] !css | Neurotiquette [02:49:07] --mwbot-- Neurotiquette: To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and [02:50:09] awesome. thank you. [02:50:17] !mwbot [02:50:17] --mwbot-- Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn [02:55:04] @trusted [02:55:04] --mwbot-- [s23.org, wikia/.*, cc1081997-b.harli1.fr.home.nl, .*\.wikimedia\.org, wikipedia/.*, 222-153-0-95.jetstream.xtra.co.nz, mediawiki/.*, .*\.flyingparchment\.org\.uk, sm.xs4all.nl, wikimedia/.*, silentflame/member/pdpc.base.minuteelectron, cpe-69-201-152-135.nyc.res.rr.com, rbak-164-107-218-33\.resnet\.ohio-state\.edu, unaffiliated/smaug, [Mm]edia[Ww]iki/.*, pdpc/supporter/student/werdnum, cc1269927-a.harli1.fr.home.nl, c-67-171-249-42.hsd1.wa.comcast.net, 217.121.122.151] [02:57:21] I need help with Short URLs [02:58:00] !shorturl [02:58:00] --mwbot-- To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [02:58:05] !rewriteproblem [02:58:05] --mwbot-- 1) Try as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root. [03:00:37] ok, thanks. I've tried all of that, which is why I'm here. The rewrites work for the most part... but none of my images will load [03:04:08] try to copy the link to an image from the HTML sourcecode [03:04:18] and paste it in your browser address bar [03:06:35] For example http://www.fringewiki.info/wiki/images/2/23/ButterflyGlyph.png goes to a page, not the image [03:07:17] well you don't want image paths as a subpath of /wiki/ [03:07:39] the reason to have /wiki/ is to treat any requests to that virtual URL as article names [03:07:54] and have everything else as a subfolder of root and not that, heh [03:08:17] Ok, but isn't that where they are installed by default? [03:08:34] by default they're in /phase3/ ^__^ [03:08:35] ah crap. Do I have do upgrade the wiki from command line ? [03:08:35] 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; [03:08:56] TheObserver in what directory did you install mediawiki ? [03:09:11] TheObserver: btw, from whence your name? possibly MST3K? or Venture Brothers? or possibly unrelated to any popular media? [03:09:15] in a "w" dir off of root [03:09:58] images, extentions, etc inside that dir [03:10:35] good; just means your path settings or rewrite rules are broken [03:10:49] how did you map from site/wiki/ to your /w/ directory ? [03:11:41] here is my current .htaccess [03:11:44] RewriteEngine On [03:11:44] RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*)$ /w/index.php?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA] [03:11:44] RewriteRule ^wiki/*$ /w/index.php [L,QSA] [03:11:44] RewriteRule ^/*$ /w/index.php [L,QSA] [03:11:58] in root [03:12:07] apergos: if you're not busy. Without having ssh access to my server. How can I run the upgrade for the wiki? I can't identify the sql file I have to run? [03:12:28] ugh. I have no idea, I only do that stuff from the command line [03:12:42] plus there are maintenance scripts that have to be run [03:12:48] Daworm: read the instructions. [03:13:06] Emufarmers: reading. I just saw mention of maintenance scripts [03:13:12] Keep reading [03:13:16] this isn't a good thing to do when you're at work between calls >.< I miss things [03:13:21] heh [03:13:32] Read harder! *whips* [03:13:48] not there! over and to the left! :-P [03:13:48] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Alternative_2:_Re-run_the_installer [03:14:09] Emufarmers: just saw that [03:14:13] Rename LocalSettings.old.php back to LocalSettings.php [03:14:14] i just did that myself, worked great [03:14:24] from 1.12 to 1.15 [03:14:24] how do you do that without being on the host? [03:14:52] apergos: in some uncivilized parts of the world, there are hosts that give you FTP access but not shell access [03:14:59] savages [03:14:59] oh gee whiz [03:15:01] :-/ [03:15:19] you must be on Godady too! [03:15:24] hahaha [03:16:05] 03(mod) create wikimedia-dc mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20540 (10aude.wiki) [03:18:42] also, my LocalSetting.php is: [03:18:43] $wgScriptPath = "/w"; [03:18:43] $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1"; [03:18:43] $wgUsePathInfo = true; [03:19:39] *Daworm tests [03:19:46] *apergos drumrolls [03:20:32] *Daworm mutters [03:20:41] REALLY gotta setup this image thumbnail caching soon ..< [03:20:43] >.< [03:20:57] *Daworm is on 1.15 [03:20:58] *Daworm cheers [03:21:01] yay! [03:22:02] hmm [03:22:05] I still wonder [03:22:22] which is ? [03:22:51] well we'll see [03:23:15] about ? [03:23:15] :D [03:23:37] 03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498 normal->high; +comment (10oq9pscb02) [03:24:36] Hurm, image thumbnails not caching by default. Now to see what I have to change. [03:28:51] Ok - everything tells me it should be caching. But it doesn't appear to be caching local thumbnails. [03:29:28] apiThumbCacheExpiry [03:29:33] set [03:29:37] hmm [03:29:56] using this : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgForeignFileRepos#Using_files_from_Wikimedia_Commons_:_ForeignAPIRepo [03:30:04] the wiki I'm pulling from is 1.13 [03:30:12] I'm now on 1.15 [03:30:18] right, and here we're not even bothering to do local generation [03:30:21] permissions are ok for folders. [03:30:23] just caching [03:31:10] Mmm, too many files for me to worry about copying over. So I'll just cache them for 1 week at a time. At least the thumbnails. [03:31:15] is there an images/thumb directory where it ought to be? (I expect that's where cahed thubs would go) [03:31:47] Hurm, I just checked. [03:31:54] It's creating the folders [03:32:03] images/thumbnails/en.png/ [03:32:05] it is? you have subfolders under there? [03:32:06] but no files in them. [03:32:10] huh [03:32:16] my thought too [03:32:29] Looks like it's creating the files as folders.... [03:32:36] no [03:32:42] the folder is the name of the image file [03:32:47] n the folder you will get thumbs [03:32:59] with names nnpx_image-name-here.png [03:33:00] no thumbs in them. [03:33:00] etc. [03:33:09] I see how image directory works now. But no, no thumbs. [03:33:11] well and no hash levels which is also a bit odd [03:33:19] mmm [03:33:20] hashLevels [03:33:22] Daworm are you using ftp currently to check that ? [03:33:30] Alphos: through cpanel [03:33:31] but yes [03:33:39] refresh :/ [03:33:45] as in force refresh [03:33:50] I did [03:34:12] It shows files in the hashLevels for an image I did upload directly [03:34:17] but nothing for these other ones. [03:34:19] what is the url to yer wiki (if it is publically accessible)? [03:34:42] ns2wiki.daworm.net (mine) [03:34:55] slow load [03:35:00] due to this file cache issue [03:35:12] before I turned it of (or if I turn it off) it's instant loading. [03:35:19] s/of/on [03:36:00] Picture I uploaded directly - http://ns2wiki.daworm.net/index.php?title=Image:Railcar_background.jpg - proper hashLevels [03:36:18] however this picture: http://ns2wiki.daworm.net/index.php?title=File:Mirc.png : remotely accessed [03:36:32] according to FTP has a folder location of /images/thumbs/mirc.png/ [03:36:53] drop the 's' in thumbs [03:36:57] uh huh [03:37:18] http://ns2wiki.daworm.net/images/thumb/ [03:37:23] See folders yourself [03:37:41] trying to see what is going on when the page is put together [03:37:51] Aight. [03:38:02] http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/images/0/0e/Mirc.png [03:38:02] Daworm http://ns2wiki.daworm.net/images/thumb/5/50/Railcar_background.jpg/800px-Railcar_background.jpg [03:38:04] that [03:38:17] it;s looking offsite for the thumbs [03:38:19] I uploaded directly [03:38:19] bah [03:38:33] the xxx_background.jpg [03:38:37] I uploaded directly [03:38:41] sure [03:38:44] as I am testing some new header image configs [03:38:47] direct uploads will be handled differently [03:38:56] through Splarka's help of .js :) [03:39:06] uhoh [03:39:07] *Splarka hides [03:39:30] :) [03:39:36] let me see what the code does with apiThumbCacheExpiry anyways [03:39:48] I've set it to 4 days at the moment. [03:40:08] Initially left it at 12 hours, but extended it after second page load (thinking it was too short and fubar'd) [03:40:30] Query on the hashLevels for images directory. Are they generated as you upload images? Or is the structure already setup by default. [03:40:41] IE: all the /images/thumb/2/ /images/thumb/5/ etc. [03:40:58] There are some folders created down to (example) thumb/2/25/ but nothing under it. [03:42:04] mm [03:42:05] Or will the ThumbCacheExpiry only create the temp files under /images/thumb/ [03:42:15] might need memcached for the apithumbcachething [03:43:09] ;\ [03:43:11] :\ [03:43:12] gimme a min [03:43:54] Any suggestions for my Short URL problem? [03:44:41] the memcached piece is different than local generation [03:44:54] local generation means retrieve image and generate thumb on render [03:45:01] TheObserver: follow a different guide. ^__^ [03:45:17] Which one are you using now? [03:45:20] if you have static urls they are going to point to the foreign repo [03:46:01] I tried several of the guides... none of them seem to work exactly right... the one I'm using now is the closest, but the images won't show [03:46:27] And which one is that? [03:46:44] apergos: can you elaborate more on what you mean ? All images are accessed via [[Image:....]] (on the pages) [03:46:57] yes but when the wikitext is converted, [03:47:01] Page_title_--_no_root_access [03:47:27] like http://your.domain/Page_title ? [03:47:48] so if I turn off "fetchdescription ? [03:48:02] it's going to substitute static urls in there that point to blah/a/ab/filename/nnx-file.png or whatever [03:48:08] on the foreign repo [03:48:33] anyways ignore that, if you can get the caching piece done you can ignore local generation [03:50:09] So configure for memcached server you think? [03:50:16] well I wish I were sure [03:50:20] I haven't tried doing this [03:51:48] hurm, looks I can make it store cache in db... [03:51:54] I'm ok doing that for testing prposes [03:51:55] *Daworm looks [03:51:59] you set apibase? [03:52:03] (I assume) [03:52:55] I did [03:52:59] hmm [03:53:01] if only we were on 1.16 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCacheDirectory [03:53:13] yeah [03:53:54] ah, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMainCacheType - set to CACHE_NONE [03:53:59] I think that might be the issue [03:54:00] *Daworm tests [03:54:23] changed to CACHE_DB [03:54:31] ahh [03:54:36] yes you have to have something set there [03:54:51] 03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646 +comment (10jack.pond) [03:54:59] ah good it doesn't have to be memcached [03:54:59] nice [03:55:03] works ! [03:55:10] yay!! [03:55:13] memcached I think would be better if it's high-traffic [03:55:25] oh it's useful afor anything [03:55:39] if you are reloading the same pages a bunch of times (without changes) [03:55:41] If you have just one server, it makes sense to put it all in APC I think. [03:55:41] But in my case, without configuring memcache, db caching winz :) [03:55:46] even if it's just you and 2 friends [03:56:07] Main thing is, I'm no longer ripping data from third-party website every page load. :) [03:56:11] now only every 4 days [03:56:11] yay! [03:56:56] Wonder if I should put in a reference on earlier linked page directing people to look at the MainCacheType too [03:57:09] why not? [03:57:14] *Splarka plays with throbbers more [03:57:46] that sounds so dirty [03:57:54] would be dirtier if I hadn't seen associated link earlier :) [03:58:34] Emufarmers, what do you suggest I try next? [03:58:48] (or anyone...) [03:59:31] juggling with anvils using only your tongue [03:59:38] I was about to suggest that [03:59:53] *Alphos first :p [04:00:31]  Αποτελέσματα 1 - 10 από περίπου 199,000 για juggling anvils tongue. (0.18 δευτερόλεπτα)  [04:00:35] outrageous [04:00:57] OK, well tried everything on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access [04:01:11] even tried some on the discussion page [04:01:28] dunno; nini [04:01:37] night [04:01:46] MediaWiki said to come here for help... :( [04:02:09] it lieeeed [04:02:13] Splarka: I don't know how the internationalization of core messages works. They had all been applied (or at least 42 of them) before Brion reverted all. Do I need to go back and patch all 42, or will that be done automatically from translatewiki.net? [04:02:33] wat [04:02:45] TheObserver: I'm sure somebody else will be able to help you get it working; or I'll see what I can do tomorrow if not [04:03:05] unfortunately, all the rewrite guides are rather YMMV [04:03:27] Sure, I understand [04:03:28] jdpond: dunno, ask siebrand or nikerabbit [04:04:04] I did this for another install and had no problems... everything works fine without the rewrite [04:04:32] TheObserver: you trying to do rewrite withi no root access, just FTP ? [04:04:38] Thanks Splarka, but since everyone else has gone home, I guess it will wait till tomorrow. [04:04:40] correct [04:04:51] You can sometimes force settings using a php.ini file in the root of your wiki install. [04:04:52] using .htaccess [04:04:53] you probably have the .htaccess file in the wrong directory or you don't have +FollowSymLinks or something else like that [04:05:21] I've only touched on .htaccess and php.ini in general on a simple level. [04:05:25] I have the .htaccess in the root dir [04:05:28] Does this webhost allow you to have .htaccess's though ? [04:05:35] the only other thing in the root is the w dir [04:05:41] yes [04:05:44] mmaky [04:05:57] the Rewrite is working fine except ffor images [04:06:08] see: http://www.fringewiki.info [04:07:01] I just googled that page :) [04:08:11] wait nvm - I got confused what I was doing [04:08:15] looking. [04:08:56] can you post a copy of your .htaccess ? [04:09:02] He already did [04:09:39] RewriteEngine On [04:09:39] RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*)$ /w/index.php?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA] [04:09:39] RewriteRule ^wiki/*$ /w/index.php [L,QSA] [04:09:39] RewriteRule ^/*$ /w/index.php [L,QSA] [04:11:46] and LocalSettings.php: [04:11:47] $wgScriptPath = "/w"; [04:11:47] $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1"; [04:11:47] $wgUsePathInfo = true; [04:12:56] Emufarmers: I must have missed it. [04:13:04] *Daworm looks [04:17:20] You didn't manually create the /wiki/ folder did you ? [04:17:33] sorry if these questions have been answered. Just double checking. [04:17:33] no [04:17:57] everything is installed in a "w" directory [04:18:10] the .htaccess is in root [04:21:11] that I think is your problem... [04:21:45] wait. I read wrong... [04:23:51] hurm, can manually path to your old images fine... [04:25:24] I'll see if I can do it on my webhost... [04:25:56] what do you mean by that "manually path"? [04:26:24] by going to /w/images/thumb/... etc. [04:27:04] So they images load, and if I load /w/index.php?Main_Page, it shows images fine. For some reason, it's interpreting your image links as articles themselves. [04:27:22] one sec - saving files to my host. [04:29:01] everything works fine is I turn of short URLs [04:30:16] I think I see it... Try this in localsettings.php [04:30:16] $wgScriptPath = "/w"; # Path to the actual files (right part of first rewrite rule). Should already be in LocalSettings.php $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1"; # Virtual path (left part of first rewrite rule). MUST be DIFFERENT from the path above! $wgUsePathInfo = true; [04:30:21] ugh - wrong bit [04:30:58] gha - I should learn to read. That's if you want to make the base of the domain the article display. Not the /wiki/ [04:31:51] TheObserver: do you have $wgUploadPath set to anything? [04:32:42] or $wgUploadBaseUrl [04:33:14] AHHHH! it's set to "images" [04:33:29] should it be "/w/images"? [04:34:09] which one? [04:35:22] $wgUploadPath = "images"; [04:35:22] $wgUploadDirectory = "images"; [04:36:34] nope, it didn't like that! [04:36:34] Either remove them. or change it. [04:36:41] I don't have them at all and it works fine for me. [04:36:46] if you haven't moved the images directory to a non-default location, you can just set them both to false, or remove them from LocalSettings (since false is the default) [04:37:25] it'll just use "$wgScriptPath/images" by default [04:37:51] SUCCESS!!!! [04:37:56] :) [04:37:58] Commenting the out worked! [04:38:11] *TheObserver bows down [04:38:27] hehe [04:38:46] Thank you so much! Been playing with this for HOURS! [04:39:08] errrrr.... [04:39:14] Minor issue with me and rewrite [04:39:19] Speical:Upload no worky [04:39:25] oh wait [04:39:29] I didn't reenabled [04:39:30] >.< [04:39:48] fixered [04:40:22] Ok, thanks again! Goodnight! [04:40:43] nn [05:07:46] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:APNG_throbber.png <-- nice but... 356k!? [05:07:58] kinda defeats the purpose of a throbber, eh [05:08:23] Oh yeah, feel that giant throbbing graphic all over the screen [05:09:08] or wait for that to load, meanwhile whatever ajax request you were waiting for has long since finished [05:09:17] :) [05:10:57] You seem to brb at least once every night [05:11:43] so buy me 20 miles of T3 [05:11:50] v: [05:11:53] 6hr time limit (in a row) on this dialup [05:12:00] o,o [05:12:01] and I'd rather /quit and reconnect than peer [05:12:22] I didn't know there were still places in the US _with_ dialup. [05:12:40] I live in Armenian Samoa [05:12:46] v: [05:13:13] Splarka: do you have a fax machine? http://xkcd.com/454/ [05:13:46] just west of Tomainia [05:15:12] What's the best way to email a computer science professor to get him to let you into a class? [05:16:03] Probably via email [05:16:46] k, thanks. [05:17:54] heh [05:18:27] Emufarmers: send the body of the text as an attachment, mime type text/plain, but format it in html [05:18:35] that should convince him you need to take his class [05:18:44] v: [05:18:51] But it's a third+ semester course [05:18:56] don't think that would go over too well [05:19:07] though a lot of the fossils they've got lying around probably wouldn't notice [05:40:01] wassup [05:40:51] 03(NEW) in [[Special:Preferences]] for mw-input-stubthreshold-other missing type attribute, unusable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20556 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (pathoschild+wmbugs) [05:41:42] hey Nikerabbit [05:41:53] Nikerabbit: I don't know how the internationalization of core messages works. They had all been applied (or at least 42 of them) before Brion reverted all. Do I need to go back and patch all 42, or will that be done automatically from translatewiki.net? [05:43:42] what messages [05:45:23] he dinna say [05:47:59] Nikerabbit: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/55800 probably [07:07:28] morning peeps! [07:07:31] ^_^ [07:30:34] 03(mod) Special:Export ignores parameters limit, dir and offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18180 (10azliq7) [07:35:51] Where do I have to add that analytics-tag that is shown here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Analytics ? some kind of template? [07:43:21] 03(mod) Special:Export ignores parameters limit, dir and offset - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18180 (10azliq7) [08:26:19] hi [08:26:59] i have a very long section in an article - basically a changelog. Right now i am wondering if i can somehow use some kiond of folding in mediawiki [08:27:40] so that i.e. you can fold all entries in 2009 at once (everything located in a single ==Section==) [08:28:42] *Annemarie delouses Splarka. [08:28:45] that is generally done on a wiki with post-document-load javascript [08:29:37] that tickles [08:29:59] *Splarka louses Annemarie [08:30:01] Splarka: was that regarding my folding-question ? sorry just not sure if i jumped into another conversation [08:30:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NAVFRAME [08:30:51] here is what Wikipedia uses, CSS+JS and some templates to embed it [08:31:06] that looks great - thank you [08:31:19] rar [08:34:08] 03(NEW) Add tag to the redirect pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20557 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: DumpHTML; (emmanuel) [08:51:07] <marineam1> Hi everybody, I just created a custom namespace and I'd like to know if it's normal that it doesn't appear in the searchbar when I look for it [08:54:38] <Reedy> doesnt the searc just search ns 0 by default? [08:56:22] <marineam1> yes [08:56:32] <gamla_kossan> hm, stupid question time: how can I add just one whitespace but without using <nowiki>? [08:56:48] <gamla_kossan> isn't it something like bmlr;? [08:56:49] <marineam1> but for example if I search for "Special:" the autocompletion suggests all Special pages [08:57:57] <marineam1> whereas I look for "MyNS:" it doesn't suggest anything [08:58:19] <p858snake> maybe because they aren't indexed by the search service yet [08:58:29] <p858snake> depending on how you power it [08:58:40] <Annemarie> I think it searches all content namespaces by default. [08:58:52] <Annemarie> Which, in a default install, would just be NS:0, yeah. [08:59:25] <Reedy> gamla_kossan, just one whitespace? space or a line? [08:59:32] <gamla_kossan> just a space [08:59:32] <saper> gamla_kossan:   ? [08:59:35] <Reedy> ya [08:59:42] <gamla_kossan> ahhh I think I forget the ; [08:59:44] <gamla_kossan> thanks! [09:00:03] <saper> this one is non-breaking [09:00:15] <Annemarie> [09:00:17] <gamla_kossan> :>>> it's beeeeautiful [09:01:05] <marineam1> Annemarie: ok so what do you think I should do? [09:01:24] <Annemarie> What's the goal? [09:01:54] <Reedy> Annemarie, global domination [09:02:40] <Annemarie> I'd try a CMS. [09:03:01] <marineam1> Annemarie: I created a custom NS to organise a group of articles, but I'd like to be able to find them easily using the search suggest [09:03:12] <marineam1> like any other article [09:03:21] <Annemarie> !wg ContentNamespaces [09:03:21] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgContentNamespaces [09:03:23] <Annemarie> Set that? [09:08:10] <marineam1> Annemarie: yes, I already did that [09:12:30] <marineam1> Annemarie: so the only way would be to custom the search suggest feature so that it search in other NS than the main only [09:12:53] <Splarka> $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault ? [09:13:07] <Annemarie> @search suggest [09:13:07] --mwbot-- Results: [suggest] [09:13:10] <Annemarie> !suggest [09:13:10] --mwbot-- to enable suggestions in the search box, set $wgEnableMWSuggest = true; [09:13:16] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault [09:13:17] <Annemarie> Useful, that. [09:13:42] <marineam1> Splarka: Great! [09:16:43] <marineam1> I try [09:19:22] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Special:SearchByProperty cannot count - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20558 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (markus) [09:21:04] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Searching for all property values broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20559 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (markus) [09:22:58] <gamla_kossan> um.. I'm having a really strange problem. we have this spreadsheet, activities.xls, which is basically a backlog for stuff that needs to be done in the office. but when I save a new version of this spreadsheet, then upload it, and then download what should should be imo the latest version, it's still the old version. [09:23:06] <gamla_kossan> anyone have a clue what'sup? [09:24:16] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Data lost when moving page? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20560 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (markus) [09:26:21] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Possibility to get List where Value is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13169 (10markus) [09:31:56] <CIA-70> 03siebrand * r56089 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/FFS.php: line continuation for JavaFFS. Patch by Guillaume. [09:32:23] <werdna> Translate FFS? [09:32:28] <werdna> Is that a quote from Gerard? [09:32:34] <wikibugs> 03(mod) floating point numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20285 (10markus) [09:44:02] *Splarka pssts werdna to a side alley, shows him the selection of throbbers in his trenchcoat [09:44:09] <werdna> o-o [09:44:25] *werdna shows Splarka his throbbinganimated GIFs [09:44:29] <Splarka> if ya find a design you like I can just make a 20x20 and 32x32 for ya [09:44:42] <werdna> lemme see [09:44:53] <Splarka> (assuming it doesn't have to be too extreme or complicated or "pretty") [09:44:58] <Splarka> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Splarka/Throbber [09:45:25] <Splarka> I took the best (I think) one: Loading.gif and made a 32x32 version [09:45:32] <wikibugs> 03(mod) link “more results” - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20286 (10markus) [09:45:46] <Annemarie> gamla_kossan: Append ?action=purge to the URL or bypass your local cache. [09:45:52] <Annemarie> One of the caches is getting in your way. [09:47:02] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Encoding of + in “further results” URL does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20286 (10N/A) [09:47:31] <Splarka> yes, cuz smart quotes are so useful in bug summaries >_< [09:47:51] <Annemarie> I like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Throbber_allbackgrounds_circledots_32.gif [09:48:04] <odb|fidel_> bye [09:48:05] <Splarka> yah, that's the 32x32 of Loading.gif [09:48:14] <Splarka> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Loading.gif [09:48:50] <wikibugs> 03(mod) New type for #ask queries: Total! - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14835 (10markus) [09:49:02] <Splarka> the original is 16x16, but the Loading.gif is padded to 18x18, I have a 20x20 version too but didn't wanna bother uploading it [10:14:29] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Set sitename of Turkmen wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20561 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (hanberke7) [10:23:55] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Set sitename of Turkmen wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20561 +shell (10hanberke7) [10:29:22] <gamla_kossan> Annemarie: thanks - the ?action=purge solved it. however, what does that mean? [10:29:55] <Annemarie> It purges the server-side cache. [10:30:49] <gamla_kossan> is that cache created by php, or by mediawiki? [11:09:38] <wikibugs> 03(mod) More versatile searching in CheckUser log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14699 +comment (10jayvdb) [11:11:08] <wikibugs> 04(REOPENED) Alphabetical ordering in Turkmen language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19967 (10hanberke7) [11:15:19] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Article template list is not always complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20562 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (emmanuel) [11:16:12] <svip> Have there been a recent bug with people being unable to log in due to MediaWiki wrongly assuming that people have cookies disabled? [11:16:44] <flyingparchment> yes, update to current trunk where the code at fault was reverted [11:17:40] <svip> Thank you. [11:36:47] <CIA-70> 03werdna * r56090 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/lqt.js: [11:36:47] <CIA-70> LiquidThreads JavaScript updates: [11:36:47] <CIA-70> * Split thread initialisation to a per-thread function, in preparation for needing to set individual threads up on-demand, loaded through AJAX. [11:36:47] <CIA-70> * Reduce confusion by waiting until after the thread has been fully shown before scrolling down to it. [11:37:47] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Article template list is not always complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20562 (10federicoleva) [11:54:06] <wikibugs> 03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [12:07:01] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Article template list is not always complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20562 (10roan.kattouw) [12:07:07] <wikibugs> 14(DUP) Alphabetical ordering in Turkmen language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19967 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [12:07:42] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164 (10alex.emsenhuber) [12:42:15] <marineam1> Annemarie: I tried to use the variable $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault but it doesn't solve my problem. Ok my custom namespace is enabled for searching by default (and I get it in results) but the search suggest doesn't display results from the custom namespace when I start typing the name of this namespace - you see what I mean? [12:45:52] <wikibugs> 03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498 (10oq9pscb02) [12:50:35] <wikibugs> 03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498 (10roan.kattouw) [12:55:10] <CIA-70> 03catrope * r56091 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php api/ApiMain.php): Follow-up to r55639: per CR comment, make API help caching disableable, and let the cache key depend on the version string [13:14:17] <marineam1> if I want to edit the name of an existing custom namespace, do I need to create a new custom NS with the right name, move all pages from the old to the new NS, and then delete the old one? Or is there a simpler way to do that? [13:17:01] <wikibugs> 03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498 (10oq9pscb02) [13:21:58] <wikibugs> 03(mod) $wgThumbnailEpoch not used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20159 +comment (10innocentkiller) [13:23:09] <Duesentrieb> marineam1: you can just change the definition - but that will break all links. [13:24:44] <marineam1> Duesentrieb: that's what I would like to prevent [13:25:43] <Duesentrieb> marineam1: well, when you change the namespace, the titles will be different, so the links have to change, or you have to create redirects (manually or by moving) [13:26:01] <Duesentrieb> i thinkl there are bots that can do it though. pywikipediabot probably has a mode for that [13:26:50] <^demon> You could rename the namespace and make the old an alias to the new. [13:27:07] <^demon> So all links would automatically redirect. [13:28:26] <Duesentrieb> ^demon: so simple, why didn't i think of that? [13:28:33] <Duesentrieb> marineam1: what he said :) [13:29:23] <marineam1> ^demon: great! [13:29:35] <marineam1> ^demon: thank you :) [13:29:59] <^demon> !wg NamespaceAliases | marineam1 [13:29:59] --mwbot-- marineam1: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceAliases [13:30:06] <^demon> marineam1: See that for the alias part :) [13:30:39] <marineam1> yep that's what I'm reading right now ;) [13:31:24] <^demon> Nikerabbit: Ping [13:35:06] <wikibugs> 03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498 (10oq9pscb02) [13:39:41] <marineam1> ^demon: maybe you'll have an answer to my other issue [13:40:13] <marineam1> about custom namespaces [13:40:23] <^demon> Ask away [13:40:58] <marineam1> My custom namespace is enabled for searching by default (and I get it in results) thanks to $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault. But the search suggest doesn't display results from the custom namespace when I start typing the name of this namespace - you see what I mean? [13:41:18] <marineam1> is there a way to add a NS in the search suggest tool? [13:41:39] <^demon> I have absolutely zero clue on the search :) [13:41:45] <^demon> My gut feeling is that it would be included. [13:43:04] <marineam1> what do you mean? [13:43:40] <GreenAway> Because that's where good decisions come from - the gut. [13:44:33] <marineam1> right [13:44:39] <wikibugs> 03(mod) {{#time}} gives incorrect result if server not set to UTC. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16847 +comment (10innocentkiller) [13:44:43] <GreenAway> ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879 ) [13:44:52] <marineam1> but what do you mean by "it would be included"? [13:44:58] <^demon> marineam1: I would assume it should be included. [13:45:04] <^demon> I believe you when you say it isn't though :) [13:46:55] <marineam1> ok :( so I should have a look directly at the code of the search suggest feature [13:48:35] <wikibugs> 03(mod) redirect-only messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10990 +comment (10innocentkiller) [13:48:43] <^demon> marineam1: Or wait for rainman-sr to come around, he can probably help you. [13:48:45] <wikibugs> 14(DUP) Introduce redirect detecting parserfunctions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11532 +comment (10innocentkiller) [13:49:38] <marineam1> ^demon: ok thanks. Do you know when he will be there? [13:50:49] <^demon> no clue. [13:50:50] <gamla_kossan> anyone used the extension IssueTracker? [13:51:14] *gamla_kossan is curious if it's a good extension =) [13:51:56] <wikibugs> 03(mod) #ifexist for interwiki links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10237 (10innocentkiller) [13:52:32] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Red interwiki links -- check for page existence across wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11 (10innocentkiller) [13:57:17] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=576 +comment (10innocentkiller) [14:04:00] <wikibugs> 03(mod) "Undefined variable X in includes/Parser.php" notice - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9187 +testme (10innocentkiller) [14:13:08] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Module recentchanges should be usable as a generator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20563 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (dale) [14:29:10] <CIA-70> 03shinjiman * r56092 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese [14:32:14] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Error in SF_LinkUtils.inc with SMWSQLStore2::getPropertyValues() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticForms; (dasch_87) [14:32:35] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Error in SF_LinkUtils.inc with SMWSQLStore2::getPropertyValues() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 15enhancement->major (10dasch_87) [14:35:49] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Error in SF_LinkUtils.inc with SMWSQLStore2::getPropertyValues() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 (10dasch_87) [14:43:07] <CIA-70> 03werdna * r56093 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (classes/View.php lqt.css pages/SpecialMergeThread.php): Fix some minor bugs with merges [14:49:55] <mira|AO> hello everyone, does this error (when upgrading mediawiki from 1.11.0 to 1.15.1) sound familiar? [14:50:00] <mira|AO> Setting client_min_messages to 'error' for user "admin-scripts" ALTER USER admin-scripts SET client_min_messages = 'error' [14:50:00] <mira|AO> Warning: pg_query() [function.pg-query <https://dev-wiki.tarent.de/admin-scripts/config/function.pg-query>]: Query failed: FEHLER: Fehler »Syntaxfehler« bei »-« at character 17 in /var/www/dev-sven/includes/db/DatabasePostgres.php on line 581 [14:50:40] <mira|AO> the “ALTER USER admin-scripts SET client_min_messages = 'error'” comes from echo "<pre>$sql</pre>"; added to the function [14:50:59] <mira|AO> this is what’s executed, I think [14:53:07] <yang> Where can I enable larger uploads than 2 Mb ? [14:59:36] <CIA-70> 03sergeychernyshev * r56094 10/trunk/extensions/PageObjectModel/ (22 files in 4 dirs): Moved extension over from Google Code (http://mediawiki-page-object-model.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/). [15:00:30] <werdna> !upload | yang [15:00:30] --mwbot-- yang: File uploads are disabled per default, set $wgEnableUploads=true to enable it. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for configuration details, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Managing_files> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images> for using uploaded images and other files. [15:00:33] <werdna> hello RobH [15:00:45] <RobH> hi [15:14:26] <silly2> I have a problem with open_basedir restriction in effect - on generating images and especially thumbnails across a wiki family. [15:15:42] <peterpan> i want to use a feed for recent changes. how can i enter user information to it? [15:15:43] <silly2> I have this problem on new media wiki installs and then I add permissions to the commons database for the new instal database [15:15:56] <peterpan> userinformation = username and password [15:16:10] <silly2> Then i add the vhost.conf file (with appropriate code) to the subdomain root. [15:16:28] <silly2> and there is another thing i am forgetting,, [15:17:28] <silly2> PeterPan, click on recent changes [15:17:36] <silly2> while you are logged in [15:17:55] <silly2> then click on the RSS or Atom link [15:18:05] <silly2> then add that feed to your feed favorites [15:18:15] <silly2> or subscribe [15:18:17] <peterpan> silly2: there is no userinformation in the link though [15:18:52] <peterpan> recent_changes is only viewable by logged in users [15:19:04] <silly2> it is in small grey text below the title of the page [15:19:24] <silly2> no anyone can see them [15:19:50] <silly2> the small grey text says "Today, September 09, 2009, 4 hours ago | Silas" [15:19:58] <silly2> Silas is the user that changed it [15:20:03] <peterpan> i know i know [15:20:33] <peterpan> but if i log out of the wiki the feed isnt working anymore [15:21:15] <peterpan> i know dokuwiki has something like HTTP://feedlink?u=USERNAME&p=PASSWORD [15:21:42] <peterpan> is there something similar in mediawiki [15:21:46] <silly2> ok sorry i couldnt help [15:22:01] <peterpan> no prob. :) [15:22:02] <silly2> you could check extensions [15:22:34] <peterpan> anyone else got an idea? [15:22:47] <silly2> there is an extension that allows one user to be loged in to all the related wikis [15:23:49] <silly2> you could check the box on your login to keep you logged in [15:31:55] <CIA-70> 03yaron * r56095 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Fixed check of blank message [15:36:54] <CIA-70> 03yaron * r56096 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/libs/SF_ajax_form_preview.js: Fixed page-name checking to work for all languages [15:38:24] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Error in SF_LinkUtils.inc with SMWSQLStore2::getPropertyValues() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 (10yaron57) [15:44:08] <babilen> hi all. which encoding are wikipedia db in? It does not seem to be utf8 as iconv -f utf8 -t utf8 *langlinks.. complains about illegal input sequence [15:44:25] <babilen> and some string in that file look garbled in utf8 [15:44:33] <babilen> i mean, the db dumps [15:45:19] <babilen> or is this just binary mumbo jumbo and should not actually be in the database? [15:47:30] <babilen> or the dumps... [15:52:51] <Vyznev> it's supposed to be utf8, but I wouldn't be too surprised if a few illegal sequences slipped in somewhere [15:53:18] <Vyznev> if you see lots, though, then there's probably some other problem [15:53:29] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Error in SF_LinkUtils.inc with SMWSQLStore2::getPropertyValues() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 (10dasch_87) [15:54:57] <babilen> Vyznev: too bad. what can i do about it? accept that there never ever will be good wikipedia data? and miss all elements from a multiple value insert that happens to contain mumbo jumbo? [15:58:36] <Vyznev> babilen: let me take a look at that dump for you... [15:59:46] <babilen> ok... [16:00:11] <babilen> i am referring to: zhwiki-20090903-langlinks.sql [16:01:21] <babilen> try "iconv -f utf8 -t utf8" thing... [16:02:30] <Vyznev> tried perl, it reports bad utf8 on four lines out of 149 [16:04:24] <babilen> yes... [16:04:50] <Vyznev> specifically, there seem to be seven records that look like they're in ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8 [16:05:15] <babilen> could you hand me that perl one-liner (might proof useful later on) ;-) [16:06:09] <Vyznev> here's what I used [16:06:11] <Vyznev> zcat zhwiki-20090903-langlinks.sql.gz | perl -lne 'BEGIN{ $/= "),("; } utf8::decode($_) or warn "bad utf8: $_\n"' [16:06:17] <babilen> i am just not sure what to do about it... i am working with this data a lot (all languages) and need to figure out a more or less fool proof way to import it... [16:06:18] <Vyznev> ugly but works :) [16:06:51] <mira|AO> http://nopaste.snit.ch/17893 [16:07:06] <mira|AO> this mksh script converts all things in it that aren't utf-8 as if they were latin1/cp1252 [16:07:11] <mira|AO> output is valid utf-8 [16:07:30] <mira|AO> this only works if no values > U+FFFD are used though [16:07:35] <Vyznev> actually, you could probably do that with Perl too [16:07:43] <mira|AO> probably, but I don't can perl [16:08:43] <babilen> so.. due to all string columns in MW being declared as *BINARY it happens that wikipedia mixes encoding. and the assumption is that everything that is not utf8 is latin1/cp1252 [16:09:06] *babilen loves WP data :-) [16:09:54] <Vyznev> zcat zhwiki-20090903-langlinks.sql.gz | perl -lpe 'BEGIN{ $/= "),("; binmode STDIN; binmode STDOUT, ":utf8"; } utf8::decode($_)' | gzip >zhwiki-20090903-langlinks-fixed.sql.gz [16:10:04] <silly2> babilen, have you recently changed operation systems on your server? just a thought [16:10:05] <Vyznev> just tried that and it seems to work :) [16:10:30] <babilen> silly2: no. i am using linux since +10 years, why? [16:10:50] <Vyznev> ...the perl one-liner, I mean, not changing OS :/ [16:11:05] <babilen> Vyznev: ok, thanks Vyznev! and the next preprocessing step is in the pipeline... [16:11:06] <silly2> thought it might be that, or have you changed versions of myPHPadmin? [16:11:22] <silly2> ok nevermind [16:11:27] <Vyznev> babilen: except.. make that -pe, not -lpe [16:11:50] <Vyznev> I think the -l switch would mangle the SQL :( [16:11:58] <babilen> silly2: i am working directly with the database (postgresql) and don't actually use mediawiki [16:12:09] <babilen> Vyznev: ok, i'll try that [16:12:27] <babilen> as if importing *all* languages from wikipedia didn't already take long enough [16:12:42] <babilen> and for automating this i just have to be sure to take care of such things... [16:12:45] <babilen> too bad.. [16:12:48] <babilen> but thanks! [16:13:04] <silly2> Im haveing a "open_basedir restriction in effect" problem. [16:17:23] <CIA-70> 03yaron * r56097 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_LinkUtils.inc: Fixed variable name [16:17:42] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Error in SF_LinkUtils.inc with SMWSQLStore2::getPropertyValues() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 (10yaron57) [16:23:59] <jdpond> Nikerabbit: I fell asleep at the wheel and Brion (rightfully) reverted 55800 which included 41 translations (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56053) committed by Siebrand. I'm getting it ready for commit again, but need to know if those translations are automatically generated from translatewiki.org, or do I need to go in and patch each of the files manually. [16:27:11] <werdna> jdpond: don't commit it until we finish code review [16:29:11] <jdpond> Werdna: of course not - will get your/Brion's nod first. Also set up so that all notifications go straight to text message on cell phone - won't be missing those notifications again. [16:29:32] <werdna> don't stress out too much :) [16:30:28] <jdpond> Not stressing, just made a lot of unnecessary work for myself and others by not staying on top of it. :-D [16:31:34] <CIA-70> 03sergeychernyshev * r56098 10/trunk/extensions/PageObjectModel/LICENSE: Added license file for LGPL [16:31:54] <brion> aww [16:31:57] *brion huggles jdpond [16:32:11] <CIA-70> 03sergeychernyshev * r56099 10/trunk/extensions/PageObjectModel/tests/POMPageTest.php: Added a case with nested template. [16:32:18] <CIA-70> 03werdna * r56100 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Add doc comment noting that JS2 and script loader are required for ajax category system (follow-up r56032) [16:35:29] <Vyznev> silly2: don't know much about that myself, but try http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=open_basedir&fulltext=1 [16:36:01] <silly2> Thanks [16:38:39] *werdna looks for LiquidThreads guinea pigs [16:38:52] <saper> :-) come on [16:39:01] <saper> wanna have a liquid flamewar?:) [16:39:28] <werdna> :o [16:40:02] <silly2> thanks Vyznew I looked at this. my problem is happening when drawing in images across wikis. Like Wikipedia uses commons to provide images across wikies [16:41:01] <saper> werdna: come on, I think a good flame war would be a great test [16:41:26] <silly2> I have about 12 wikies all work fine, using 1.11.0, but I installed 1.15 and cant get it to work. [16:41:28] <werdna> "For testing purposes, foundation-l is now being hosted on LiquidThreads" [16:42:05] <werdna> "Please have a flame-war about whether or not this was a good idea" [16:42:17] <silly2> that new install, uploads images to its own directory fine. [16:45:49] <silly2> the error is in File.php on line 564 [16:49:54] <silly2> I really admire all you developers, like Brion, Tim, etc.. im looking through Bugs and this stuff gets extremely complicated. [16:52:20] <jdpond> werdna: I'll put it on a couple of my wikis. What are you looking for (LT)? [16:52:39] <werdna> jdpond: well you can test on my test site if you like [16:52:52] <werdna> jdpond: nothing really, bugs, usability problems, all that kinda thing [16:54:20] <jdpond> I looked at LT early and figured it was really ambitious (not to mention more than a little flakey). So I put together DiscussionThreading as a stopgap until it was ready for primetime. Give me the URL [16:55:03] <werdna> http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Talk:Main_Page [16:55:17] <jdpond> Why don't I just install it on my dev wiki and see if it flies. What version of MW would you recommend (I'm up to 1.15 minimum, 3-4 on 1.16A) [16:55:54] <werdna> It needs the latest trunk. Some of the javascript improvements require JS2 to be enabled. [16:56:01] <werdna> I suppose I should fix that up [16:59:23] <werdna> TrevorParscal: if I want jQuery support compatible with JS2, should I steal js2.combined.js from UsabilityInitiative? [16:59:31] <jdpond> OK, I'll install it on the trunk test env. [16:59:53] <werdna> jdpond: give me a few moments to add compatibility for sites without JS2 installed? [16:59:57] <brion> werdna: got a chance to take a peek at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19261 status? (signature thing) [16:59:59] <TrevorParscal> werdna: the only reason I have that is because the code I am writing needs to be deployable pre-js2 on the cluster [17:00:09] <brion> there was a tweak to prefs for it but i reverted it as i think the root prob is elsewhere [17:00:22] <jdpond> werdna: I won't get to until after work today - so take your time [17:00:25] <TrevorParscal> if you are working on stuff that will be deployed like, a month or more from now, then just turn js2 on for your wiki [17:01:11] <jdpond> werdna: Is there any problem with conversion from old-style discussion pages? [17:01:30] <werdna> jdpond: there is no conversion at all :) [17:01:35] <jdpond> kool [17:01:36] <TrevorParscal> the code in js2.combined.js (which is a generated file btw) is just jquery, jquery-ui and some bits of support code to mimic functionality of js2 support [17:01:40] <werdna> TrevorParscal: so does mine :) [17:02:03] <werdna> brion: if the root problem is elsewhere, then it's not a regression with the new preferences code. [17:02:27] <werdna> TrevorParscal: would be nice to have compatibility with non-JS2 wikis [17:02:39] <brion> werdna: i think it's a regression due to the way pref values are loaded, not in the UI [17:02:59] <brion> eg it's pulling out 'empty string' instead of the proper default [17:03:04] <TrevorParscal> werdna: in that case, yeah, you may want to just include the usability initiative extension require_once( "extensions/UsabilityInitiative/UsabilityInitiative.php" ); [17:03:27] <TrevorParscal> then call UsabilityInitiativeHooks::initialize(); [17:03:31] <TrevorParscal> just for now [17:03:33] <werdna> TrevorParscal: or I could steal your JS file, and if $wgUseJS2system is false, include the JS file o:-) [17:03:53] <AaronSchulz> brion: hey hey [17:03:54] <TrevorParscal> sure, but you are causing unneeded duplication [17:03:57] <TrevorParscal> it's your choice [17:04:51] <werdna> I think it's less evil than having a dependency on some random other extension [17:06:48] *TrevorParscal doesn't think UsabilityInitiative is random :) [17:07:30] <AaronSchulz> actually is kind of is from a general MW installation perspective ;) [17:07:38] <AaronSchulz> *it kind [17:08:13] <werdna> TrevorParscal: It's not obviously related to LiquidThreads for third-party installations [17:08:34] <werdna> brion: hm, will have a look [17:09:03] <TrevorParscal> maybe we should be considering brining that js2 support into core rather than copying it around [17:09:17] *werdna shrugs. [17:09:27] <CIA-70> 03werdna * r56101 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (classes/View.php js2.combined.js): Add compatibility for installations on which JS2 is not activated [17:09:29] <werdna> It's mostly temporary [17:09:38] <TrevorParscal> yeah [17:13:37] <jdpond> Hey brion, except for the localisation (42 lang files), I think it does what you recommended. Whenever it looks good, just post a comment saying good to go and I'll do the work - after I learn what to do about the localisation. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646 [17:15:53] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Article template list is not always complete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20562 (10emmanuel) [17:18:36] <brion> jdpond: spiffy, i'll take a peek :D [17:18:40] <brion> yo AaronSchulz what's up [17:18:43] <brion> thx werdna [17:19:59] <wikibugs> 06(LATER) Draft authors to be mailed when drafts approved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20212 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [17:20:46] <AaronSchulz> hmm, my bugzilla log in keeps falling off :/ [17:21:09] <brion> AaronSchulz: try unchecking the 'limit login to this ip' [17:21:42] *Vyznev thinks abstractly about making the pipe trick feature a little more DWIMmy yet... [17:21:50] <AaronSchulz> brion: already tried [17:21:54] <AaronSchulz> it works for one page view [17:22:07] <Vyznev> it really doesn't make any sense to turn [[User:Foo (bar)|]] into [[User:Foo (bar)|Foo]], does it? [17:23:06] <Mike_lifeguard> no, that would be wrong [17:23:11] <Vyznev> the tricky part is just deciding when it _does_ make sense [17:25:27] <Vyznev> there really is no objective answer to whether [[wikipedia:Paris (France)|]] should become [[wikipedia:Paris (France)|Paris]] or [[wikipedia:Paris (France)|Paris (France)]], is there? [17:26:21] <brion> jdpond: new code is looking much cleaner :D [17:26:53] <werdna> brion: Looks like Parser.php checks for === null, but the preference is saved as an empty string. [17:27:09] <werdna> So I'm thinking I can just relax the === to an == [17:27:16] <werdna> or checking for both empty strings and nulls. [17:27:36] <Mike_lifeguard> Vyznev: yes there is: the pipe trick should remove only interwiki fragments and nothing else [17:27:41] <Mike_lifeguard> removing disambig is WRONG [17:28:07] <Mike_lifeguard> that is wikipedia-centric and will break other projects [17:28:34] <Vyznev> Mike_lifeguard: I think that's what it was originally written for; the iw/namespace removal is just an afterthought [17:28:38] <brion> jdpond: my one other recommendation is to change the wgMsgHtml() here to wfMsg() and do an htmlspecialchars() on the outside yourself (or possibly this can be done with one of the escaping options on wfMsgExt() -- we want to HTML-escape after argument replacement, whereas wfMsgHtml() does the escaping before argument replacement) [17:28:53] <brion> werdna: aye that sounds suspicious :D [17:29:14] <werdna> brion: so changing the === to an == makes it work as expected [17:29:20] <brion> empty sig doesn't make much sense so yeah, that's a better check [17:29:20] <brion> yay [17:29:33] <werdna> unless they put '0' as their sig :( [17:29:49] <werdna> (fucking PHP) [17:29:55] <brion> haha [17:30:00] <AaronSchulz> meh [17:30:07] <Mike_lifeguard> werdna: you someone will :) [17:30:11] <brion> hmm i think that won't trigger for '0', might for 0 though [17:30:13] <Mike_lifeguard> *you know someone will [17:30:22] <Vyznev> anyway, the namespace removal has its own ambiguities: it'd be nice if [[wikipedia:User:Example|]] could become [[wikipedia:User:Example|Example]], for, well, example :) [17:30:34] <Mike_lifeguard> no it wouldn't [17:30:38] <Vyznev> brion: probably does trigger for '0' [17:30:56] <brion> http://pastebin.com/df7567d8 [17:31:06] <CIA-70> 03werdna * r56102 10/trunk/phase3/includes/parser/Parser.php: Relax === check for blank signatures to ==, fixes bug 19261 (alternative solution to r54585) [17:31:06] <Mike_lifeguard> if you want to remove namespaces, then provide the piped text yourself [17:31:21] <brion> transitivity be damned, this is php we can do what we want! :) [17:31:27] <werdna> > print_r( '0' == '' ) [17:31:27] <werdna> > print_r( 0 == '' ) [17:31:27] <werdna> 1 [17:32:04] <Vyznev> oh, we were talking about == '' [17:32:09] <brion> print_r sucks because it doesn't distinguish between things... var_export or var_dump is much nicer [17:32:09] <werdna> > print_r( 0 == '0' ) [17:32:09] <werdna> 1 [17:32:11] <werdna> lol [17:32:18] <werdna> oh brion's already done it [17:32:20] <Vyznev> I though it was casting to boolean in general [17:35:44] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646 (10brion) [17:35:58] <Pathoschild> Weird; it's possible to translate the HTML ID attributes on Wikimedia sites? oc.wiktionary.org has, for example, "p-navigacion" instead of "p-navigation". [17:36:34] <brion> Pathoschild: the ones for the sidebar are generated from the section names specified in MediaWiki:Sidebar [17:36:37] <brion> so they're not fixed [17:36:56] <Pathoschild> Hmm. Thanks. [17:43:28] <werdna> Is anybody else able to reproduce JS errors on http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Talk:Main_Page ? [17:43:37] <werdna> I've got reports of them, but haven't been able to reproduce them [17:43:46] <CIA-70> 03aaron * r56103 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Fixed case [17:46:49] <Beta_> how to get the user's register name when user loin? [17:47:19] <werdna> be more specific? [17:47:46] <Beta_> $wgUser does not work! [17:48:05] <werdna> in what context? [17:48:09] <werdna> where are you writing the code? [17:48:24] <Beta_> in a extension [17:49:06] <Beta_> $wgUser used in extensions does not work? [17:49:14] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Error in SF_LinkUtils.inc with SMWSQLStore2::getPropertyValues() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20564 +comment (10dasch_87) [17:49:18] <werdna> this isn't twenty questions.... [17:49:24] <werdna> which hook are you using? [17:49:59] <Beta_> $wgHooks['SkinTemplateContentActions'][] = 'wfChangeTabs'; [17:50:29] <Beta_> just used to add a tab at the top of a page [17:50:44] <jdpond> brion: looking at it now. [17:51:02] <werdna> Beta_: that's probably done before the login is attempted [17:51:12] <werdna> what are you trying to do? [17:53:18] <Beta_> when i get the user name i can check his permissions [17:54:28] <brion> werdna: didn't notice any js errs [17:54:34] <brion> any idea what might trigger? [17:55:00] <Beta_> and then prohibit his using some functions [17:55:02] <werdna> I've heard reports that clicking summarise and then back triggers it, that leaving an edit form open for a long period of time triggers it [17:55:19] <werdna> Beta_: why would you be doing access control in SkinTemplateContentActions? [17:55:25] <werdna> brion: so basically I have no idea [17:55:34] <werdna> played with the page for 15 minutes and couldn't reproduce [17:55:35] <brion> werdna: some kind of session issue maybe [17:56:02] <werdna> brion: mebbe [17:56:26] <werdna> have had reports from philippe, and just about every other damn person who's looked at it [17:56:31] <werdna> except me [17:56:44] <CIA-70> 03yaron * r56104 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_LanguageEn.php: Added 'Page has default form' value [17:56:56] <werdna> aha! just got it! [17:57:19] <werdna> *opens firebug and tries to get it again* [17:57:21] <Beta_> sorry, it's not SkinTemplateContentActions [17:57:23] <Beta_> but $wgExtensionFunctions[] = 'expertname_InputboxExtension'; [17:58:57] <Beta_> in this extension i put some input boxes and buttons, and if the user can click the button according their permissions [18:00:12] <CIA-70> 03aaron * r56105 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Added break to multi-tag form [18:00:14] <Beta_> so i need to get the user name and then to check user permissions [18:00:42] <AaronSchulz> brion: bah ;) [18:00:53] <Beta_> function expertname_InputboxExtension() [18:00:54] <Beta_> { [18:00:55] <werdna> brion: ah, figured it out, it's a script loader bug [18:00:56] <Beta_> global $wgParser; [18:00:57] <Beta_> $wgParser->setHook('expertname_inputbox', 'expertname_RenderInputbox'); [18:00:59] <Beta_> } [18:01:14] <werdna> Beta_: can you put that in a pastebin? [18:01:32] <werdna> Beta_: note that you can't really do access control on that. [18:01:58] <Beta_> sorry, what is a pastebin? [18:02:14] <werdna> p.defau.lt [18:02:23] <werdna> paste the code there, give us the link it gives you [18:02:51] <Beta_> ok [18:03:44] <brion> wee [18:04:09] <werdna> or perhaps a usability initiative bug [18:04:14] <werdna> either way it's NOT MY FAULT :P [18:05:02] <Ose> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#View_and_render what do I need to do to see only the html of the editable part of the page? [18:05:20] <Ose> &action=raw&something=something? [18:06:12] <MaxSem> use teh API [18:06:26] <MrZ-man> action=render [18:08:44] <Harmageddon> Hi, its me again. Can you tell me how to use external graphics in mediawiki? [18:09:28] <Beta_> ok, i has past it [18:09:29] <Beta_> http://pastebin.com/m4d3649a9 [18:09:44] <CIA-70> 03nimishg * r56106 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ClickTracking/ClickTracking.hooks.php: Allow fully disabling clicktracking by setting throttle to a negative number [18:15:30] <Beta_> werdna: did you see the code? [18:15:40] <werdna> Beta_: not yet [18:16:37] <werdna> Beta_: you shouldn't be using strcmp with the username for access control [18:16:48] <werdna> to get the user name, use $wgUser->getName(); [18:17:07] <werdna> but for access control you should be assigning permissions and checking $wgUser->isAllowed( 'permission-name' ); [18:17:12] <werdna> !access | Beta_ [18:17:12] --mwbot-- Beta_: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>. [18:17:22] <Pupeno1> Hello. [18:17:44] <Pupeno1> How can I add a chunk of javascript to all pages, to add analytics and quantcast tracking codes. [18:18:01] <werdna> !js [18:18:01] --mwbot-- To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit the page called [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (NOT a file, a page on your wiki, which is included via <script>) as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /monobook.js (assuming your skin is monobook) subpage of your userpage. [18:19:52] <Harmageddon> Hello? [18:19:58] <FF|Skyrider> ? [18:20:08] <Harmageddon> "Can you tell me how to use external graphics in mediawiki?" [18:20:32] <werdna> Harmageddon: have you search MediaWiki.org for "external images"? [18:21:39] <Harmageddon> ah, thanks [18:28:16] <Pupeno1> werdna: is that output in the same page or somehow included? [18:28:59] <Beta_> werdna：if i use Manual:User_rights and Manual:Preventing_access to only allow sysop can access my tab, it is to say, i have to assign a name to my tab,such as myfunc ,and then set [18:29:01] <Beta_> $wgGroupPermissions['*']['myfunc'] = false; [18:29:03] <Beta_> $wgGroupPermissions['user']['myfunc'] = false; [18:29:05] <Beta_> $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['myfunc'] = true; [18:30:50] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) strategywiki returns blank white after saving an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20565 major; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mike.lifeguard) [18:30:56] <Beta_> in mediawiki is it possible to prevent a user, not a group user, from accessing a page? [18:32:34] <Beta_> werdna, are you here now? [18:33:01] <werdna> Beta_: yes, give me a few moments [18:33:12] <werdna> It doesn't work like that [18:33:28] <Beta_> why? [18:33:39] <werdna> Because you have to check for the permission yourself [18:33:48] <werdna> to do so, use $wgUser->isAllowed( 'myfunc' ) [18:33:53] <Pupeno1> Added the analytics script to MediaWiki:Commons.js but Google says the tracking code is not there and if I look at it, it is not there. [18:33:59] <werdna> the $wgGroupPermissions lines were Ok [18:34:22] <werdna> !wg UseSiteJs [18:34:22] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseSiteJs [18:34:41] <werdna> make sure that's turned on [18:34:50] <werdna> how did you add it? [18:35:12] <werdna> Beta_: read restrictions are not well-supported in MediaWiki [18:36:39] <Beta_> it is to say, i set the $wgGroupPermissions lines firstly, and then also have to check for permissions using $wgUser->isAllowed( 'myfunc' ) at someplace? [18:38:01] <Beta_> 'read restrictions are not well-supported in MediaWiki' why? is it a bug in mediawiki? [18:38:14] <werdna> not really, it's just how it's designed [18:38:15] <werdna> !read [18:38:15] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "read". You might try: !#mediawiki !?> !analytics !cms !credit !gethelp !imagemagic !lazy !lockdown !memcached !phpshell !readonly !rtfm !secrets !session !subst !threads [18:38:25] <werdna> !secrets [18:38:25] --mwbot-- MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. See also !lockdown [18:38:32] <werdna> !lockdown [18:38:32] --mwbot-- Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [18:38:45] <CIA-70> 03tparscal * r56107 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (Vector.php vector/main-ltr.css vector/main-rtl.css): Some more tweaks to accomadate changes being made with the SimpleSearch extension. [18:39:39] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Links : Previously entered links are not refreshed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20566 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (wikibugs) [18:42:56] <Beta_> werdna, thank you! i will try what you told me. [18:44:29] <Beta_> werdna: do you have other communication tools [18:45:04] <werdna> Beta_: I'd prefer that you asked your questions in public. I'm not your personal support helper. [18:46:11] <Beta_> ok [18:48:12] <Pupeno1> Is there any way to put a piece of HTML at the bottom of every page, just before the </body>? [18:48:33] <werdna> there's probably a hook [18:48:36] <Surgo> not sure if there's a special way of doing it, but you can always write some javascript that does it [18:48:54] <Pupeno1> I don't want javascript, I want HTML. [18:49:22] <Vyznev> patch your skin? [18:50:24] <Pupeno1> Vyznev: can't any user change the skin? [18:51:08] <pan12345> http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2042&l=1357&u_id=363435 [18:52:03] <Vyznev> Pupeno1: yes, though you can disable that [18:52:13] <Vyznev> that just means you'll have to patch them all [18:52:44] <AaronSchulz> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muttahida_Qaumi_Movement&diff=prev&oldid=312825925 [18:52:46] <AaronSchulz> lol [18:53:25] <Vyznev> Pupeno1: anyway, the 'SkinAfterBottomScripts' hook might do what you want [18:53:42] <Vyznev> that way you don't have to patch core files [18:54:09] <pan12345> http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2042&l=1357&u_id=363435 [18:54:38] <Surgo> If anyone is familiar with semantic forms: is there a way to add a set of categories (hidden from the user, not changable) to the bottom of every created page without having them as part of the template the form is covering? [19:01:40] <werdna> mdale: did you commit those changes? [19:01:48] <werdna> mdale: or is it just a caching issue? [19:01:59] <mdale> almost ready.. ( just testing..) [19:03:26] <picillo> What table contains the user submitted data so I can search through it via MySQL CLI? [19:04:12] <picillo> I can't seem to figure out which table to look through. [19:04:30] <werdna> text, in a default installation [19:05:07] <picillo> What I'm looking to do is do keyword searches through all the pages? is that possible? [19:05:22] <Netzvamp> hi guys o/ [19:05:32] <picillo> Hello [19:06:02] <picillo> So I'm trying to do a search on the backend. [19:06:02] <werdna> picillo: you know mediaWiki has an in-built search facility, right? [19:06:15] <picillo> yeah, it doesn't work for some reason. [19:06:23] <picillo> Unless I'm doing something wrong. [19:06:38] <picillo> wercha: You are talking about the search box, correct? [19:06:51] <werdna> yes [19:07:13] <Netzvamp> i come with my question if pico have solved his ^^ [19:09:16] <Vyznev> Netzvamp: just ask ahead, we can carry more than one conversation at a time [19:09:44] <Netzvamp> k, then now i :) Does everybody know where in the sources the layout is for the text "You have to log in to view this page"? I need that to modify a bit ... [19:10:50] <Netzvamp> looked much files for that but found nothing :( [19:11:45] <Vyznev> Netzvamp: go to Special:Allmessages on your wiki and search for it [19:11:58] <Netzvamp> good idea, thx :) [19:15:53] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Do not strip off addition in parenthesis in signature - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19261 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [19:21:23] <Harmageddon> Hi, it's me for one more time ;) How can I create a box like it's used in MediaWiki, that is situated under the Edit-window (where are js-Buttons like Category and "[[")? Do you know what I mean? [19:21:37] <picillo> Man I just can't find it. Anyone have any ideas where it may be? [19:22:12] <CIA-70> 03tomasz * r56108 10/trunk/phase3/docs/export-demo.xml: Adding new examples for 0.4 xsd [19:22:13] <Harmageddon> if you edit a page, under the window where you type in the summary [19:22:34] <Harmageddon> and under the copyright-text [19:22:45] <wikibugs> 03(mod) XML schema not updated, current MediaWiki dumps are not valid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20064 (10tfinc) [19:23:10] <CIA-70> 03tparscal * r56109 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Even more tweaks to accomadate changes being made with the SimpleSearch extension. [19:23:21] <Netzvamp> k, if found it ... "You have to $1 to...." and the var $1 is one line over this. Problem is now: The word "login" in that string is a link. How can i modify this link a bit? What i need is a way to add a parameter to the url that is used in the folowing loginform ... sounds strange, i know ^^ [19:23:34] <Vyznev> picillo: you don't have a "text" table? [19:23:47] <picillo> Anyone know what table is used on the back end that has the contents of a wiki pages? [19:23:54] <picillo> yes, i do. [19:24:11] <Vyznev> Netzvamp: what's the name of the message? the next step would be to grep the source for that name [19:24:26] <Vyznev> picillo: and the text isn't there? [19:24:36] <Netzvamp> loginreqlink is the name [19:24:41] <picillo> not that I can see. [19:25:23] <picillo> It looks like a bunch of variables, but not the content of the wiki. [19:26:56] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Links : Cursor moves out of Dialog when tab is clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20567 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (wikibugs) [19:28:15] *AaronSchulz watches Pol Pot documentaries [19:28:26] <Netzvamp> Thx Vyznev, you are wonderfull :X [19:30:13] <Vyznev> picillo: okay, try this query: [19:30:16] <Vyznev> select old_text from text, revision, page where old_id = rev_text_id and rev_id = page_latest and page_id = 1; [19:30:23] <shb> Hello all, can anyone help me with flag revisions? [19:30:49] <Vyznev> on a typical MediaWiki install, that should give the content of your main page [19:32:22] <Vyznev> or just try: [19:32:36] <Vyznev> select old_text from text, revision, page where old_id = rev_text_id and rev_id = page_latest and page_namespace = 0 and page_title = 'Main_Page'; [19:32:52] <Vyznev> where 'Main_Page' is the title of some page you know exists on your wiki [19:35:28] <picillo> Vyznev: trying now [19:38:27] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Navigable TOC : Cursor position is not visible when link is clicked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20568 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (wikibugs) [19:40:45] <Harmageddon> :wink: [19:41:38] <Harmageddon> sorry: :wave: [19:46:48] <Harmageddon> How can I create a box like it's used in MediaWiki, that is situated under the Edit-window(if you edit a page, under the window where you type in the summary and under the copyright-text; where are js-Buttons like Category and "[[")? Do you know what I mean? [19:47:42] <Netzvamp> Vyznev: k, i've found "loginreqlink" in the file "maintenance/messages.inc", but nothing else ... and only in a array with the HTML-tags where i can modfy the url :( [19:48:28] <Netzvamp> *without ^^ [19:48:37] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Navigable TOC: Links are not highlighted when arrrow key is not released - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20569 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (wikibugs) [19:55:38] <Harmageddon> ??? [19:55:45] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Review/Enable GlobalUsage extension to supplement/replace CheckUsage toolserver tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18059 +comment (10nospam) [19:56:23] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Navigable TOC: Links are not highlighted when arrrow key is not released - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20569 (10microchip08) [19:57:39] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Navigable TOC : Section is not highlighted if section names are same - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20570 trivial; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (wikibugs) [19:58:00] <Netzvamp> k, then a new question for all: I have to change the url around the systemmessage "loginreqlink". does anybody know where i found that? A search for the variablename was not realy successfull -.- [19:58:28] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Navigable TOC: Links are not highlighted when arrrow key is not released - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20569 (10microchip08) [19:59:12] <ilyak_> hi *! How would I figure out mediawiki version when all I've got is database [19:59:14] <wikibugs> 03(mod) strategywiki returns blank white after saving an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20565 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [20:00:03] <wikibugs> 03(mod) strategywiki returns blank white after saving an edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20565 +comment (10mike.lifeguard) [20:01:50] <Harmageddon> does anybody hear me????????? [20:02:00] <Fflapjac> ohai, Harmageddon [20:02:05] <Harmageddon> hi [20:02:16] <Vyznev> ilyak_: not easily; various things in the database have indeed changed between versions, but there's no obvious single place to look [20:02:48] <Fflapjac> Harmageddon: Add it to Mediawiki:Copyright-text? [20:03:03] <ilyak_> Vyznev: Okay, is it possible to update the mediawiki from unknown version to latest? [20:03:15] <Netzvamp> question for all: I have to change the url around the systemmessage "loginreqlink". This Message contains only the word "login", but i need the <a href='...'>-part around it. Does anybody know where i found that? A search for the variablename in all files was not realy successfull. [20:03:18] <ilyak_> including database structure [20:03:31] <ialex> ilyak_: yes [20:03:49] <ilyak_> Just by the regular upgrade process? [20:03:51] <ilyak_> I'd try [20:03:56] <ialex> yes [20:04:08] <Harmageddon> Fflapjac: and what code do I have to use? [20:04:25] <Fflapjac> depends what kind of box you want [20:04:26] <Vyznev> Netzvamp: a grep of the latest source finds "loginreqlink" in the following files: includes/EditPage.php includes/OutputPage.php includes/specials/SpecialWatchlist.php includes/specials/SpecialConfirmemail.php maintenance/language/messages.inc [20:04:59] <Harmageddon> Fflapjac: I need a box with links to insert some things into the textbox [20:05:01] <Netzvamp> oh oO [20:05:09] <Vyznev> I haven't looked yet, but I suspect it's the one in OutputPage.php that you're most interested in [20:05:10] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Review/Enable GlobalUsage extension to supplement/replace CheckUsage toolserver tool - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18059 (10Bryan.TongMinh) [20:05:18] *Fflapjac lets someone else deal with it then [20:05:32] <Netzvamp> Vyznev: k, sorry for that, m8, then i'm wrong -.- [20:05:57] <shb> quit [20:05:59] <shb> exit [20:06:00] <Netzvamp> Vyznev: Again, thank you :) [20:06:06] <Fflapjac> Harmageddon: [20:06:10] <Fflapjac> Harmageddon: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert [20:06:25] <Harmageddon> thank you very much [20:16:36] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Enable FlaggedRevs custom configuration on Portuguese Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16365 (10lucas.nunes) [20:22:49] <Emufarmers> http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12178 heh, for once somebody could actually make use of IIS's 404-hijacking feature! [20:28:43] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Special:CentralAuth should load a snippet of Special:Log/globalauth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20571 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (mike.lifeguard) [20:36:41] <Nikerabbit> ugh [20:36:50] <Nikerabbit> no demon here [20:36:52] <ilyak_> I'm trying update, but no avail [20:37:05] <ilyak_> script tries ini_set( 'memory_limit', -1 ); [20:37:16] <ilyak_> and php panics that script tried to increase limit to 4G [20:37:36] <ilyak_> What's wrong? Maybe it's Suhosin? [20:40:46] <ilyak_> Detected bug in an extension! Hook wfParserFunctionsLanguageGetMagic failed to return a value; should return true to continue hook processing or false to abort. [20:41:00] <ilyak_> When I try php update.php --aconf ../AdminSettings.ph [20:45:12] <ilyak_> I guess that sources from old and new versions were mixed in some bizzare way :( [20:48:20] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Oversight mailing list for the Simple English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20337 +comment (10cbass) [20:54:29] <CIA-70> 03tomasz * r56110 10/trunk/phase3/docs/export-demo.xml: missing an a [20:59:53] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Diffs/comments over multiple revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20572 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (Bryan.TongMinh) [21:02:52] <Emufarmers> http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Scout8882000&rcid=307099 Ah, wikis in education; what could possibly go wrong? [21:04:27] <Reedy> users? :D [21:07:11] <CIA-70> 03dale * r56111 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/js/plugins/jquery.wikiEditor.toolbar.js: restored animations for tab open close [21:08:41] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) create wikimedia-dc mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20540 +comment (10cbass) [21:20:34] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Localization of img_auth.php - with enhancements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19646 +comment (10jack.pond) [21:24:10] <ilyak_> Query "ALTER TABLE `zm_categorylinks` DROP INDEX cl_sortkey, ADD INDEX cl_sortkey(cl_to, cl_sortkey, cl_from) " failed with error code "Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes (localhost)". [21:24:17] <ilyak_> WTF? What to do? I hate mysql [21:24:58] <CIA-70> 03tomasz * r56112 10/trunk/phase3/docs/export-demo.xml: fixing spacing of comments [21:50:15] <wikibugs> 03(NEW) Create a private wiki, strategy-apps.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20573 critical; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (eekim) [21:53:35] <wikibugs> 03(mod) XML schema not updated, current MediaWiki dumps are not valid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20064 (10tfinc) [21:53:45] <Surgo> In semantic forms, is there any way to use <noinclude> </noinclude> as part of the free text area of a form? I've been trying to (as part of both a preload and a default) and it's been failing [21:53:48] <wikibugs> 03(mod) Preserve color profile information for thumbs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19960 +comment (10nospam) [21:54:23] <ilyak_> I'm running a /config/init.php to update the database [21:54:40] <ilyak_> It updated everything and how it hand for a non-trivial amount of time [21:54:55] <ilyak_> The hardware on the "server" isn't stellar. Is this okay? [21:55:18] <ilyak_> It only spams browser with "Warning: dba_open(/users/folk.poesie.ru/www/wiki/images/tmp/mw-cache-zm_main-zm_.db,cl) [function.dba-open]: No such handler: db3 in /users/folk.poesie.ru/www/wiki/includes/BagOStuff.php on line 726" a lot [21:55:33] <ilyak_> Is it going to finish some day or I should kill it? [21:55:47] <Yojojo> hi guys. Sorry if this seems like a stupid question. How easy would it be to code a drag and drop editor for wikipages? Or integrate code for one which already exists? [21:56:11] <CIA-70> 03siebrand * r56113 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: Fix typo [21:57:07] <cirwin> Yojojo: somehwere between extrodinarily difficult and nigh on impossible [21:57:14] <Yojojo> ah. [21:57:48] <cirwin> if you want to be able to help users with small specific tasks, that is much easier [21:58:13] <Yojojo> I was thinking of a d&d editor to make aligning and sizing images, inserting media files, rearranging text etc... And obviously, cutting down the amount of wikicode they have to learn. [21:58:25] <Yojojo> Sort of you move it, the code adjusts with it. [21:59:02] <cirwin> well, resizing images should be easy enough [21:59:06] <cirwin> but of limited use on its own [21:59:23] <Yojojo> Yeah, but also alignment. [21:59:37] <Amir1> Yojojo:is your mean a WYSWG? [21:59:45] <cirwin> yes [21:59:46] <Yojojo> yep [21:59:58] <jdpond> Yojojo: That bug was assigned to Robchurch (Joke - he gets blamed for everything). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Developer_meet-up_2009/Notes/Usability [22:00:09] <Amir1> you can use a user script [22:00:16] <cirwin> the closest I know of is the translations adder for Wiktionary and all that can do is add translations [22:01:06] <jdpond> and http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [22:01:24] <Amir1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikEd is very good for help newcomer but NOT a WYSIWG [22:01:29] <Yojojo> well i was just thinking, for when you align an image next to text, its a pain in the thingies getting it to match. So prep the text first, drag the image in and line it up, the code self adjusts to place without looking silly or breaking the text. [22:01:40] <jdpond> There's also FCKEditor [22:01:56] <cirwin> Yojojo: if it's a pain in the neck to do one, imagine what writing the code to do all of them is going to be like :p [22:02:05] <Yojojo> jdpond: that and wikiEd, are they linux or windblows? [22:02:07] <CIA-70> 03tparscal * r56114 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Yet even more tweaks to accomadate changes being made with the SimpleSearch extension. [22:02:15] <cirwin> Yojojo: web-based [22:02:24] <jdpond> Should work on all. [22:02:25] <Yojojo> So non browser specific? [22:02:38] <cirwin> within reason, yes [22:03:16] <Yojojo> Hm. I'll have to try it on mine. I'm currently sans pc or lappy due to various cockups, so i'm wiki'ing off a pda [22:03:27] <jdpond> "non browser specific"? I've heard that dream for 20 years. [22:03:47] <cirwin> that's impressive, given how old the internet is :p [22:04:06] <Yojojo> Well i coded all the shortcut buttons in that were browser specific, and had them working in all browsers on my own wiki. [22:04:20] <Yojojo> I even emailed the code to tim [22:04:42] <Yojojo> What he did with it is a mystery [22:05:28] <CIA-70> 03siebrand * r56115 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Use double quotes for consistency [22:06:15] <jdpond> Arpanet's been around since mid seventies. Tim Berners-Lee wrote the first web browser on a NeXT computer, called WorldWideWeb, finishing the first version on Christmas day, 1990. Within a month, there were already 3. [22:06:20] <ilyak_> It's still running [22:06:21] <ilyak_> wtf? [22:09:28] <jdpond> cirwin: By 1992 Harvard professors were arguing over whether or not the fledgling Netscape or a new MS product would become the standard. [22:11:53] <cirwin> I think you are off by a few years with that one, but no matter [22:12:50] <ilyak_> jdpond: by 1992?? [22:12:56] <ilyak_> I guess it would be ~1998 [22:12:58] <Yojojo> anyhow. One question... How easy is it to become a dev for wikipedia? I have talent i don't use, and might as well put it to use somewhere. [22:13:07] <ilyak_> maybe ~1996 [22:13:17] <cirwin> Yojojo: look at getting svn access on mediawiki.org [22:13:25] <Reedy> Yojojo, add patches to open bugs on bugzilla [22:13:33] <Reedy> Or open bugs with new changes, and attach patches [22:13:39] <Yojojo> ok. [22:14:02] <jdpond> Remember the "I guess I'm going to sell my soul to the Devil and install Microsoft" email from the judge in the MS antitrust lawsuit? 1994. [22:14:10] <Yojojo> And who'd i speak to for svn access, cirwin? [22:14:18] <cirwin> read the website [22:14:23] <Yojojo> ok [22:14:28] <Yojojo> Cheers guys. [22:14:29] <Reedy> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access [22:14:45] <Reedy> maybe not quite... [22:17:52] <ilyak_> It still runs! [22:17:59] <ilyak_> Should I leave it till the mourning? [22:18:12] <cirwin> ilyak_: what's running? [22:18:57] <ilyak_> cirwin: Database update process from /config/index.php [22:19:08] <ilyak_> It runs for something like a half hour probably [22:19:18] <ilyak_> spitting out warnings and nothing else [22:19:25] <ilyak_> I wonder if it's going to finish [22:21:42] <ilyak_> ever [22:25:07] <jdpond> cirwin: you were closer - it was 1994. http://www.livinginternet.com/w/wi_browse.htm I guess I'm getting so old my memory is going. [22:26:31] <CIA-70> 03dale * r56116 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [22:26:31] <CIA-70> * (bug 20336) changed json_decode json_encode to static class in global functions [22:26:31] <CIA-70> ** we should update extensions as well [22:26:31] <CIA-70> * added config for fileCheckModify date check to scriptLoader unique script id generation [22:43:08] <wikibugs> 03(FIXED) Don't assume json availability - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20336 +comment (10dale) [22:47:21] <^demon> mdale: Wouldn't it just make sense to do that like we do with our normal compat functions and just do if( !function_exists('json_encode') ) function json_encode() { ... [22:47:42] <^demon> Rather than putting it in a wrapper that's harder to remember :) [23:01:38] <CIA-70> 03yaron * r56117 10/tags/extensions/SemanticForms/REL_1_8_3/: Tag for version 1.8.3 [23:11:00] <CIA-70> 03siebrand * r56118 10/trunk/phase3/ (41 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-09 22:412 UTC) [23:16:21] <CIA-70> 03siebrand * r56119 10/trunk/extensions/ (78 files in 73 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-09 22:412 UTC) [23:17:09] <mdale> ^demon: see the bug ... [23:17:37] <CIA-70> 03tomasz * r56120 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/bin/public_reporting/triggers.sql: Not passing on names if the donation has come in through a check [23:17:38] <mdale> not that I have a strong opinion one way or another ... but its mentioned there [23:17:47] <siebrand> where can this come from? PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method jsScriptLoader::getjspathfromclass() in /var/www/w/includes/OutputPage.php on line 254 [23:18:46] <mdale> siebrand:wait for it... [23:18:55] <CIA-70> 03dale * r56121 10/trunk/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (jsScriptLoader.php mv_embed.js): the rest of 56116 [23:18:59] <mdale> ;) [23:19:16] <siebrand> mdale: #mediawiki-i18n was being spammed... [23:19:41] <CIA-70> 03yaron * r56122 10/tags/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/REL_1_4_3_1/: New tag for version 1.4.3, this one with an added line necessary to run Semantic Internal Objects [23:20:41] <mdale> yea.. "opps" [23:20:58] <mdale> oky heading out... [23:24:37] <mophilly> I have installed mediawiki 1.13.1 on osx 10.5.8 (php 5.2.8); installed imagemagick; verified convert command version on the cli; can upload files to the wiki *but* no thumbnails. I am stumped. What should I be looking for? [23:30:25] <GreenReaper> mophilly: Not having granted the web server permission to create the thumbs directory or subdirectories thereof; a lack of an appropriate conversion program (ImageMagick). [23:30:34] <GreenReaper> or MediaWiki doesn't know the path to convert [23:31:01] <GreenReaper> If you turn on debug comments you should be able to figure out the problem from looking at the output source. [23:31:24] <GreenReaper> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDebugComments [23:31:41] <mophilly> GreenReaper: Many thanks for reply. I will read the debug page. [23:33:12] <atglenn> please also look into the settings of the variables $wgUseImageMagick and $wgImageMagickConvertCommand (in case you have not). [23:34:27] <wikibugs> 03(mod) missing content of subject fileld in email method for Send me copies of e-mails I send to other users option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20509 (10gangleri) [23:51:52] <CIA-70> 03tomasz * r56123 10/civicrm/trunk/sites/all/bin/public_reporting/triggers.sql: bug fix as only the NEW record has the payment_instrument_id value and not the contact record [23:52:47] <CIA-70> 03yaron * r56124 10/trunk/extensions/AdminLinks/ (AdminLinks.php README): New version: 0.1.2 [23:52:50] <DeusFigendi> erm I'd like so set up an external URL for "disclaimer" in the footer can I set up that anywhere? [23:53:30] <CIA-70> 03yaron * r56125 10/tags/extensions/AdminLinks/REL_0_1_2/ (. AdminLinks.php AdminLinks.php README README): Tag for version 0.1.2 [23:55:22] <Hoosie> Okay guys.. I'm having a problem with Mediawiki. I have installed the latest version and I keep having a problem with after logging in, it logs me right back out. This is not a cookies issue as I've tried this with 3 different browsers and two different computers using the same internet connection and it's happening on all of them. It is not a session issue as I have even switched webhosts. [23:56:06] <Hoosie> The problem isnt occuring when I use an internet connection on my Mediawiki elsewhere but its not occuring on this connection on sites such as Wikipedia (so they must have some diferent setting). I'm on satellite internet if that makes a difference. [23:58:35] <Fflapjac> Hoosie: Is "latest version" 1.15.1? [23:59:15] <Hoosie> yes [23:59:35] <Fflapjac> hm. [23:59:43] <Fflapjac> Does it give you any error?