[00:15:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498  (10oq9pscb02)
[00:17:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) api review action fails with syncerror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20705  (10bawolff+wn)
[00:25:00] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  +comment (10mbzmbz77)
[00:25:41] <^demon>	That guy just e-mailed me 5 minutes ago asking why it's not fixed.
[00:25:44] *^demon 	facepalms
[00:32:20] *Alphos 	gives ^demon a new desk so than he can facedesk in order to save his hands unnecessary pain caused by the facepalming
[00:32:46] <cirwin>	you can facepalm on the way to headdesk
[00:35:14] <atglenn>	yes you can... why choose?
[00:35:23] *^demon 	doesn't mind it.
[00:35:26] <Alphos>	you expose yourself to carpal tunnel syndrome by the mere thought of it :s
[00:35:43] <^demon>	Once you've facepalmed 5 or 6 times in a day you kinda get used to the numbness.
[00:35:59] <Alphos>	[02:35:13] <atglenn> yes you can... why choose? /// you forgot "obama" at the end of the second sentence
[00:36:08] <Alphos>	"yes, you can. why choose obama ?"
[00:36:08] <atglenn>	hahaha
[00:36:10] *Alphos 	ducks
[00:36:27] *^demon 	looks around for a rotten tomato
[00:36:48] *Alphos 	opened a rotten canned tomato earlier today :x
[00:37:34] *Alphos 	will never again buy a 60-cent can of tomato sauce, btw :)
[00:37:52] <atglenn>	eeewww
[00:39:11] *^demon 	stabs android a little bit
[00:41:27] <^demon>	atglenn: I found out my math book is GFDL/CC-SA dual licensed today :p
[00:41:51] <atglenn>	sweet!
[00:41:56] <atglenn>	what's it cover?
[00:42:12] <Alphos>	addition, substraction...
[00:42:20] <^demon>	Linear algebra :)
[00:42:37] <atglenn>	ok well that's not too bad
[00:42:39] <^demon>	Linear systems, vector spaces, etc.
[00:43:01] <atglenn>	it would be nice to see some upper level texts with that license
[00:43:06] <atglenn>	s/some/all/
[00:43:17] <^demon>	Yeah :)
[00:43:31] <^demon>	I'm wondering if I can upload my book to wikibooks.
[00:43:38] <Alphos>	s/upper//
[00:43:49] <Alphos>	s/level// too
[00:44:06] <Alphos>	and s/texts/documents/
[00:44:46] <atglenn>	if it's those licenses, why not??
[00:44:56] <atglenn>	out of politeness notify the author
[00:45:04] <atglenn>	but that's the friggin point of the licenses
[00:45:14] <atglenn>	spread it around, reuse, edit!
[00:45:47] *^demon 	will write a letter to the author
[00:46:14] <atglenn>	cool!
[00:46:24] <^demon>	There's a PDF form of it on his website, so that'll make putting it in MW easier.
[00:46:40] *^demon 	doesn't want to type ~450 pages
[00:47:29] <atglenn>	hmm
[00:47:31] <atglenn>	well
[00:47:54] <atglenn>	other people won't be able to edit it if it's in pdf format
[00:47:56] <atglenn>	:-(
[00:48:24] <^demon>	Wikibooks has a Linear Algebra book. It contains a link to my book heh
[00:48:33] <Emufarmers>	Aren't there PDF-to-MW tools?
[00:48:36] <Emufarmers>	Or only MW-to-PDF?
[00:48:38] <atglenn>	dp they have some other format like oowriter or something?
[00:48:45] <atglenn>	mw->pdf
[00:48:54] <^demon>	Hmm, he has a Latex version.
[00:49:02] <atglenn>	now see
[00:49:05] <atglenn>	that might be doable
[00:49:26] <atglenn>	gotta lose some of the latex markup but the math formulas should all more or less work
[00:51:39] <^demon>	Wow, it's pretty much an open source textbook. He mentions in the readme for the latex download that if you find an error to send him a diff of the latex source and he'll fix it.
[00:52:09] <atglenn>	it better be open source if the license is by-sa
[00:52:26] <^demon>	Well duh :p
[00:52:38] <^demon>	But I mean he actively encourages 3rd party contributions :)
[00:52:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weird font sizes in jsMsg and line-heights on <div> wrapped content on vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20698  (10bawolff+wn)
[00:53:56] <Emufarmers>	Well, tell him to convert it to wikitext, heh
[00:54:20] <atglenn>	no, I think that's our job :-P
[00:54:23] <atglenn>	er
[00:54:33] <atglenn>	for the royal "our" of course :-P
[00:55:06] <^demon>	Is there a latex->wikimarkup script/extension/etc?
[00:55:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10verszil)
[00:56:20] <^demon>	Did the fix for that get sync'd? ^^^
[00:58:09] <atglenn>	dunno
[00:58:15] <atglenn>	I was looking at the memecache issue
[00:58:19] <atglenn>	but I have to go home now
[00:58:41] <atglenn>	memecache, heh... that would be interesting
[00:59:02] <atglenn>	get yer goatse right here... or perhaps you would prefer some dancing hamsters?
[00:59:26] <^demon>	webhamster.com :)
[01:06:14] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56575 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Follow up r56486: revert RELEASE-NOTES (which was incomplete anyway)
[01:08:57] *p858snake 	sets that as ^demon's background
[01:17:56] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Allow refs to be hidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15724  +comment (10rohde)
[01:30:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weird font sizes in jsMsg and line-heights on <div> wrapped content on vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20698  (10bawolff+wn)
[01:36:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) api review action fails with syncerror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20705  (10JSchulz_4587)
[01:39:39] <misingnoglic1>	Hey, what's a good mediawiki extension to have =]
[01:42:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Nested refs fail inside references block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20707 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Cite; (rohde)
[01:44:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Nested refs fail inside references block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20707  (10rohde)
[01:44:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Recursive tags in extensions. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1310  (10rohde)
[01:48:00] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56576 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (api/ApiReview.php specialpages/RevisionReview_body.php): bug 20705: fixed api review; regression from r52882
[01:50:36] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56577 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (api/ApiReview.php specialpages/RevisionReview_body.php): merged r56576: api review fix
[01:51:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When nesting refs using cite.php extension, the ordering is wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16330  +comment (10rohde)
[01:52:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) api review action fails with syncerror - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20705  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:22:44] <CIA-12>	03purodha * r56578 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/api/ApiFeedLQTThreads.php: 
[02:22:44] <CIA-12>	Allow GENDER in messages lqt-feed-reply-intro and lqt-feed-new-thread-intro according to suggestion at
[02:22:44] <CIA-12>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Support&oldid=1496678#Lqt-feed-.2A
[02:22:44] <CIA-12>	and simplify the code a bit.
[02:30:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "keyText is undefined" error in wikibits.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20708 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (public)
[03:10:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) post expand size counted multiple times for nested transclusions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13260  (10cbm)
[03:13:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhanced Editor Bar hanging on IE 8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20668  +comment (10rockmfr)
[03:17:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Monospace/preformatted text hsa gotten much smaller in Vector (code, tt, pre) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20706 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Vector Skin; (brion)
[03:34:47] <CIA-12>	03tstarling * r56579 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/mergeMessageFileList.php: Script to produce a merged $wgExtensionMessagesFiles for the case where a wiki farm uses different messages for different wikis.
[03:39:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (bashar.hanna)
[03:41:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709  (10p858snake)
[04:11:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Precision of Type:Number cannot be specified on output - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20217  (10mail)
[04:26:42] <CIA-12>	03tstarling * r56580 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/Maintenance.php: Use STDERR instead of fopen('php://stderr') when possible
[04:27:42] <CIA-12>	03tstarling * r56581 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/mergeMessageFileList.php: Was too slow. Trying different approach.
[04:34:30] <GerardM->	Hoi Tim, is there a notion when LocalisationUpdate may go live ?
[05:20:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create AdminSettings.php during wiki installation, in the same way as LocalSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14201  +comment (10Emufarmers)
[05:23:22] <CIA-12>	03tstarling * r56582 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/mergeMessageFileList.php: Assorted tweaks.
[05:28:13] <CIA-12>	03tstarling * r56583 10/branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/mergeMessageFileList.php: Copying mergeMessageFileList.php from trunk to wmf-deployment
[05:33:31] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: pong
[06:01:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Allmessages export interface lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20700  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:04:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[06:30:03] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Navigable TOC : The functionality is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20669  +comment (10wikibugs)
[06:31:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set up page appears, though site was set up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20693  (10jnfsmile)
[06:45:39] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Internal links: Cannot select a page from list using mouse click - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20617  +comment (10wikibugs)
[06:58:00] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Insert, Replace buttons shall be triggered when enter key is pressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20605  +comment (10wikibugs)
[07:01:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Insert Link : Cursor/Scroll bar shall be moved to inserted link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20710 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
[07:09:12] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Insert, Replace buttons shall be triggered when enter key is pressed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20605  +comment (10wikibugs)
[07:14:19] <CIA-12>	03jeroendedauw * r56584 10/trunk/extensions/Maps/Maps.php: test commit
[07:20:53] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Long_leg_hair.jpg  <-- how encyclopedic
[07:22:59] <Annemarie>	Where did you come from....
[07:26:35] <CIA-12>	03malvineous * r56585 10/trunk/extensions/MassEditRegex/ (6 files): [Extension:MassEditRegex] Import new extension into SVN
[07:31:02] <rAWjAW>	if I understand this correctly by following the "Manual:Short_URL" guide using the wikipedia set-up... if people already have say a bookmark to a page in the wiki, and i do the change over, they will automatically be re-directed to the new page correct?
[07:32:00] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Remove extra space between the diff table rows - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20672  +comment (10claymore.ws)
[07:32:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weird font sizes in jsMsg and line-heights on <div> wrapped content on vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20698  +comment (10claymore.ws)
[07:35:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Internal links:Cannot select a page from list using arrow keys using Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20711 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
[07:35:57] <Malvineous>	rAWjAW: They won't automatically be redirected to the short URL, but they'll still see the page.
[07:36:57] <rAWjAW>	ahhh! now that "alias" part makes sense! thanks Malvineous :)
[07:37:09] <Malvineous>	np :-)
[07:45:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Author, Portal, Page and Index namespaces for vi.wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20334  +comment (10thomasV1)
[07:52:43] <rAWjAW>	Thank you again Malvineous, just did it and everything worked :D
[08:04:16] <Malvineous>	Glad to hear it!
[08:06:21] <CIA-12>	03malvineous * r56586 10/trunk/extensions/FlvHandler/ (5 files): [Extension:FlvHandler] Import new extension into SVN
[08:14:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The customized mime.types file should be separated from the initial file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18426  (10anon.hui)
[08:14:44] <Duesentrieb>	thumbnails no longer have a title attribute?
[08:14:50] <Duesentrieb>	why is that?
[08:15:26] <Duesentrieb>	also, action=render forces full urls for all links, but not for img src.
[08:16:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The customized mime.types file should be separated from the initial file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18426  (10anon.hui)
[08:16:43] <p858snake>	bugzilla.mediawiki.org witht he keywork "code-update-regression"
[08:16:49] <p858snake>	*with the
[08:16:54] <p858snake>	*keyword
[08:17:20] <p858snake>	bugs can be easily closed, remebered compared to comments in the channel
[08:17:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add oasis opendocument and oo.o legacy document to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497   +easy +patch (10anon.hui)
[08:17:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The customized mime.types file should be separated from the initial file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18426   +easy; +comment (10anon.hui)
[08:18:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) support multiple mime-type files in $wgMimeTypeFile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18426  summary (10anon.hui)
[08:19:09] <Duesentrieb>	p858snake: but i hate bugzilla :)
[08:19:14] <Duesentrieb>	*sigh*
[08:26:13] <Duesentrieb>	aw man, i fucking hat firefox for crashing all the time.
[08:29:53] <p858snake>	but bugzilla is so easy to use!
[08:34:22] <CIA-12>	03ialex * r56587 10/trunk/extensions/FlvHandler/ (4 files): 
[08:34:22] <CIA-12>	* unconditionnaly declare globals FlvHandler.php as security vulnerability with register_globals
[08:34:22] <CIA-12>	* removed some useless (and already commented out) parts in FlvHandler.php
[08:34:22] <CIA-12>	* changed extension's type from "parserhook" to "media" in $wgExtensionCredits
[08:34:23] <CIA-12>	* removed ?>
[08:34:25] <CIA-12>	* svn:eol-style native
[08:34:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Anchor tag surrounding a thumbnail's img tag no longer has a title attribute. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20712 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (brightbyte)
[08:35:00] <Duesentrieb>	p858snake: it's usable, but in no way nice to use.
[08:35:43] <p858snake>	{{lies}} all you have to do is click a few links and fill in a few boxes
[08:42:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove edit and new page creation rights for anons on id.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20666  +comment (10ivan)
[08:44:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) HTML output doesn't validate anymore (w3c: script tag is missing type) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20713 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[08:45:41] <user070109>	Howdy, am trying to install mw 1.15.1 in an opensolaris zone, but after successful install (DB already created, software components found) keep getting returned to the "Please  set up the wiki first." page. config dir settings are 777. Any ideas? 
[08:46:08] <user070109>	Can I just adapt a DefaultSettings.php file as LocalSettings.php?
[08:46:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTML output doesn't validate anymore (w3c: script tag is missing type attribute) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20713  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[08:52:19] <TimStarling>	user070109: is there a config/LocalSettings.php file?
[08:53:19] <user070109>	TimStarling: Thanks. No, only index.php  and index.php5
[08:53:37] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: reping
[08:53:50] <TimStarling>	but you ran the installer? did it complain that it couldn't create that file?
[08:53:53] <user070109>	TimStarling: -rw-rw-rw-   1 webservd bin
[08:54:25] <user070109>	TimStarling: Ran installer ok. No complaints.
[08:55:48] <user070109>	TimStarling: can I write my own LocalSettings.php file based on DefaultSettings.php? Would that be enough?
[08:55:57] <werdna>	no, not based on DefaultSettings.php
[08:56:08] <werdna>	there's a LocalSettings.php template somewhere
[08:56:36] <TimStarling>	there used to be LocalSettings.sample but I think it was removed
[08:56:56] <TimStarling>	I fail to see how the installer could run and not create that file
[08:57:02] <user070109>	Tried a find / -type f -name LocalSettings.php but nothing
[08:57:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTML output doesn't validate anymore (w3c: script tag is missing type attribute) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20713  +comment (10herd)
[08:57:39] <TimStarling>	maybe it's the x mode
[08:57:47] <TimStarling>	you said it was solaris right?
[08:57:57] <user070109>	yes opensolaris
[08:58:15] <TimStarling>	open config/index.php in a text editor
[08:58:33] <TimStarling>	find the line that says: $f = fopen( "LocalSettings.php", 'xt' );
[08:58:57] <TimStarling>	change that to: $f = fopen( "LocalSettings.php", 'w' );
[08:59:03] <TimStarling>	then run the installer again
[08:59:13] <TimStarling>	same DB etc.
[08:59:53] <user070109>	OK, thanks
[09:00:39] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: repong
[09:01:14] <TimStarling>	going for dinner, bbl
[09:01:18] <TimStarling>	let me know if it works
[09:01:35] <user070109>	Thx TimStarling. Will report back.
[09:02:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553  low->normal (10n-roeser)
[09:06:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) support multiple mime-type files in $wgMimeTypeFile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18426  (10anon.hui)
[09:07:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhanced Editor Bar hanging on IE 8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20668  (10roan.kattouw)
[09:13:05] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56588 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (4 files in 3 dirs): EditToolbar: (bug 20668) Fix infinite loop and OOM death on IE8
[09:13:13] <CIA-12>	03ialex * r56589 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/mediawiki-defines.txt: Add FlvHandler to Translate
[09:23:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  +comment (10webmelos)
[09:24:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 404 pages invalid, <br> tags not closed (<br />); monobook sidebar gets moved down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20714  +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:24:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10webmelos)
[09:24:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add variable to append/override mime.types contents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18426  summary (10anon.hui)
[09:24:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhanced Editor Bar hanging on IE 8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20668  (10wikibugs)
[09:24:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhanced Editor Bar hanging on IE 8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20668  (10roan.kattouw)
[09:24:54] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Navigable TOC : Incorrect section is highlighted after a replace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20600  (10wikibugs)
[09:24:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) support multiple mime-type files in $wgMimeTypeFile - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18426   +patch; +comment (10anon.hui)
[09:25:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 404 pages invalid, <br> tags not closed (<br />); monobook sidebar gets moved down - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20714 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:27:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTML tidy doesn't work for 404 pages like it does for existing pages (doesn't add missing closing tags anymore e.g.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20714  summary; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:29:24] <Nikerabbit>	someone poke roan to come to irc
[09:31:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTML tidy doesn't work for 404 pages like it does for existing pages (doesn't add missing closing tags anymore e.g.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20714  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[09:32:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search & Replace: Cannot replace the exact word repeatedly in Opera - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20715 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs)
[09:36:41] <user070109>	Hi TimStarling: Fixed the issue. Details http://dpaste.org/2DmC/ 
[09:37:13] <user070109>	Quick version: (1) chmod -R 777 config, (2) Missing index permissions for wikiuser MySQL user
[09:41:46] <user070109>	MySQL code: > grant create, select, insert, update, delete, index, lock tables on wikidb.* to 'wikiuser'@'localhost' identified by 'MYPASSWORDHERE';
[09:44:54] <t0lk>	can anyone point me to a tutorial on #if statements?
[09:46:36] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23if:  ?
[09:46:58] <t0lk>	great, thank you Splarka 
[09:47:43] <Splarka>	rrar
[09:50:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) convertUserOptions.php unnecessarily copies empty fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19050  high->normal (10agarrett)
[09:52:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix paging for LiquidThreads discussion pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19975  +comment (10agarrett)
[09:53:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deploy LiquidThreads on strategy.wikimedia.org and usability.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20118  summary; +comment (10agarrett)
[09:54:47] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Invalid values of added_lines, removed_lines, edit_diff - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20310  +comment (10agarrett)
[09:55:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Use readonly instead of disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20427  (10agarrett)
[10:00:32] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Special:ActiveUsers
[10:02:23] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: it uses PG. bug river.
[10:05:06] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56590 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/UsabilityInitiative.hooks.php: UsabilityInitiative: Increment style versions for r56588
[10:05:36] <CIA-12>	03werdna * r56591 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[10:05:36] <CIA-12>	AbuseFilter: Show permissions errors on new filter and importing a filter when the user does not have permission.
[10:05:36] <CIA-12>	Resolves bug 20467
[10:06:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) AbuseFilter: clearer permission errors for filter creation and import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20467  +comment (10agarrett)
[10:07:34] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56592 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (8 files in 4 dirs): wmf-deployment: Merge r56588 and r56590 (fix IE8 crash in EditToolbar)
[10:08:34] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: something is broken: see http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit (the bottom)
[10:08:39] <RoanKattouw>	domas, werdna: Could one of you sync this rev ---^^ and reenable the toolbar? I'm at uni now, gotta run in 5 mins, thanks in advance to whoever does it
[10:08:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Specify period in MediaWiki:Activeusers-count - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20716 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:08:57] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: Let me guess, you have JS2 enabled?
[10:09:02] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: yep
[10:09:18] <domas>	don't thank me!!!!
[10:09:20] <domas>	juuuniooooor
[10:09:35] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah that's a known bug, the new toolbar dialogs aren't very compatible with JS2 yet
[10:09:41] <Nikerabbit>	ok
[10:10:02] <RoanKattouw>	We'd fix it but 3 of our 5 people are away and there's more urgent stuff :P
[10:10:34] <Nikerabbit>	I see
[10:11:24] *RoanKattouw 	pokes werdna harder, think he should ping on "juuuniooooor"
[10:15:33] <Nikerabbit>	:O
[10:21:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Do not count bots as "active users" (real people are assumed) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20717 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:21:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Number of "active users" is a rather confusing statistic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16775  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:22:40] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Links : Suggestion box does not appear properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20587  +comment (10wikibugs)
[10:24:47] <werdna>	will do it in a sec
[10:28:59] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Search & Replace : Close shall be change as Cancel - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20586  +comment (10wikibugs)
[10:29:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Do not list bots as "active users" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20717  summary; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:29:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Number of "active users" is a rather confusing statistic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16775  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[10:32:21] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Invalid values of added_lines, removed_lines, edit_diff - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20310  +comment (10beau)
[10:33:28] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Navigable TOC : Section is higlighted when cursor is moved out too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20585  +comment (10wikibugs)
[10:34:52] <user070109>	TimStarling: ping?
[10:35:55] <TimStarling>	hi
[10:36:04] <TimStarling>	so it wrote the file after you changed that mode?
[10:36:57] <user070109>	Yes, erm, +rw (x) missing. That and the MySQL permissions to index.
[10:38:32] <user070109>	Thanks TimStarling
[10:38:55] <werdna>	roan is gone
[10:43:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add variable to append/override mime.types contents - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18426  (10anon.hui)
[10:55:35] <TimStarling>	I don't know why it would happen, all I can find in google is lots of people using O_EXCL on solaris with no trouble
[10:55:58] <TimStarling>	and I can't reproduce it on ms4
[10:58:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change Vietnamese localization of "Template:" namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20639  (10vinhtantran)
[10:59:25] <TimStarling>	maybe he just had the config directory non-writable
[10:59:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) double catlinks div on edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20718 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (hartman)
[11:08:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhanced Editor Bar hanging on IE 8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20668  (10roan.kattouw)
[11:10:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enhanced Editor Bar hanging on IE 8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20668  (10roan.kattouw)
[11:13:07] <Margz>	hi
[11:13:11] <Margz>	anyone here can help me?
[11:13:59] <RoanKattouw>	!ask
[11:13:59] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp
[11:15:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enhanced Editor Bar hanging on IE 8 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20668  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:15:19] <RoanKattouw>	Margz: Ask your question, if someone in here can help you, they will
[11:16:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change Vietnamese localization of "Template:" namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20639  (10siebrand)
[11:16:35] <Margz1>	!gethelp
[11:16:35] --mwbot--	Please read http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[11:16:55] <Margz1>	what about on mediawiki script?
[11:17:33] <Reedy>	!syntax
[11:17:33] --mwbot--	For help with MediaWiki's Wikitext syntax, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing>. For an (incomplete) formal specification, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec>.
[11:19:38] <Margz1>	because anyone can edit my site's wiki..
[11:19:53] <Margz1>	how can i make it for ADMIN Only, or for assigned user only..
[11:20:09] <Duesentrieb>	!crm | Margz1
[11:20:09] --mwbot--	Margz1: I don't know anything about "crm".
[11:20:14] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[11:20:27] <Duesentrieb>	oh, damn tla :)
[11:20:36] <Duesentrieb>	!cms | Marz1
[11:20:36] --mwbot--	Marz1: Wikis are designed for openness, to be readable and editable by all. If you want a forum, a blog, a web authoring toolkit or corporate content management system, perhaps don't use wiki software. There is a nice overview of free tools available at <http://www.opensourcecms.com/> including the possibility to try each system. For ways to restrict access in MediaWiki, see !access.
[11:21:18] <RoanKattouw>	!prevacc | Margz1
[11:21:18] --mwbot--	Margz1: For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[11:21:55] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: right, but perhaps he shouldn't try peeling potatoes with a spoon.
[11:22:09] <RoanKattouw>	True
[11:22:57] <Duesentrieb>	we *can* tell him how to get a sharp edge on his spoon, but maybe he should look at knifes instead :P
[11:23:54] <dira>	my portal is at URL : http://www.mywebsite.com/ , now I want to add new project named "TestProject" and have http://testproject.mywebsite.com/ point to its content in mediawiki , what is the best way to do so ? 
[11:25:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) data loss in is.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20703  04CRIT->major (10roan.kattouw)
[11:30:50] <dira>	sub-portal ? wikifarm ?
[11:32:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  high->normal; +comment (10anon.hui)
[11:33:58] <Duesentrieb>	dira: you can just create a new subdomain, pointing at some other directory, with a separate wiki installation.
[11:34:25] <Duesentrieb>	wikis can be combines into "families", but that is not necessary.
[11:34:41] <dira>	families ?
[11:34:42] <nononono>	I have a problem with the p-navigation and pbody containers. When I widen both by adding a width value, they are bumped all the way down the screen, under the article's area
[11:35:37] <Duesentrieb>	!family
[11:35:37] --mwbot--	To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family>
[11:35:43] <Duesentrieb>	dira: ^^
[11:36:15] <Duesentrieb>	dira: allows you to share the codebase, share parts of the config, share the user base, and hhave a common image repo. but as i said, it's not necessary. you can just install a separate wiki
[11:36:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Preferences' time offset (timezone) broken (maybe also stub link threshold) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20719 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[11:37:08] <dira>	Duesentrieb : wiki families has advantages , why should I install new one ?
[11:37:25] <dira>	Duesentrieb : is there drawbacks ?
[11:37:51] <nononono>	lol
[11:37:51] <Duesentrieb>	because it's more difficult to set up. initially.
[11:38:04] <Duesentrieb>	if you want to add more wikis later, it's much simpler with a family setup.
[11:38:28] <nononono>	after 5 days I got a response from a free php and sql host
[11:38:28] <Duesentrieb>	but if you don't know what you are doing, it's easy to get yourself into a muddle
[11:38:39] <Duesentrieb>	before doing anything like this, i strongly recommend to back up everything you have
[11:38:47] <Duesentrieb>	!backup
[11:38:47] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[11:39:42] <dira>	that is true ,since I have more than one projects I'd to use wiki families , but is it the right way to have one wiki (family) per project ? 
[11:40:17] <dira>	some projects are just one page, some are few pages and some are multiple pages with so many categories
[11:40:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences' time offset (timezone) broken (maybe also stub link threshold) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20719  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[11:41:06] <werdna>	bah I have to fix that
[11:41:06] <dira>	I've thought of having one category per project ,but can I add sub category ? can I  point sub-domain to them ?
[11:41:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences' time offset (timezone) corrupted (maybe also stub link threshold) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20719  summary (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[11:41:32] <Margz1>	hi what codes did the mediawiki uses?
[11:41:36] <Splarka>	nononono: #column-content {margin: 0 0 .6em -17.2em;} #content {margin: 2.8em 0 0 17.2em;} #p-logo a, #p-logo a:hover {width: 17.2em;} .portlet {width: 16.6em;} #p-cactions {left: 16.5em;}
[11:41:43] <Margz1>	i noticed HTML codes doesn't work..
[11:41:57] <Margz1>	hi what codes did the mediawiki uses?
[11:42:02] <Splarka>	I just added 5 to all those numbers, for example, they were 12.2, -12.2, 11.5 and 11.6
[11:42:24] <Margz1>	!codes
[11:42:24] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "codes".
[11:42:32] <Margz1>	!syntax
[11:42:32] --mwbot--	For help with MediaWiki's Wikitext syntax, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing>. For an (incomplete) formal specification, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec>.
[11:44:32] <Margz1>	help about the codes.. i can't use <table> and <a href> codes in my site's wiki..
[11:44:41] <Margz1>	what codes are available..
[11:45:02] <Splarka>	<table> is allowed but must be constructed properly
[11:45:32] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Sanitizer.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain   is the code that allows html
[11:46:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Anchor tag surrounding a thumbnail's img tag no longer has a title attribute. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20712  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[11:46:12] <nononono>	I was almost doing the sidebar like this, since the containers are invisible I was thinking about making them overflow: show and just making the ul elements overflow their containers :P
[11:50:16] <nononono>	Just installed IE8. So MS has finally fixed all CSS bugs, no more workarounds
[11:50:40] <DotAWiki|Gara>	Hi all, is it possible to hide (sub-)sections from the ToC?
[11:50:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164   +i18n +schema-change +upstream (10anon.hui)
[11:51:10] <DotAWiki|Gara>	I tried using html-syntax <h3>, which didn't work
[11:51:17] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56593 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HistoryPage.php: 
[11:51:17] <CIA-12>	* process messages with escapenoentities instead of escape to allow use of for example &bull; (line 55)
[11:51:17] <CIA-12>	* change string explode to array (lines 53-54)
[11:51:17] <CIA-12>	* break long lists of parameters
[11:51:17] <CIA-12>	* remove trailing whitespace
[11:51:33] <Margz1>	Splarka: i just said it for EXAMPLE purpose..
[11:51:53] <Margz1>	so instead of using <table> what is the right code to be use in my wiki site??
[11:52:10] <DotAWiki|Gara>	{| table header
[11:52:12] <DotAWiki|Gara>	|- table row
[11:52:15] <DotAWiki|Gara>	| table col
[11:52:18] <DotAWiki|Gara>	|} table end
[11:52:21] <Margz1>	tnx
[11:52:24] <Margz1>	ill try it
[11:52:32] <Margz1>	where do i put the text?
[11:52:49] <DotAWiki|Gara>	in your computer o_O
[11:53:03] <Margz1>	wtf?
[11:53:10] <Margz1>	inside the table.
[11:53:19] <Margz1>	{| table header
[11:53:22] <Margz1>	|- table row
[11:53:25] <Margz1>	| table col
[11:53:27] <Margz1>	|} table end
[11:56:26] <nononono>	Splarka: Ah yes, I saw that negative margin before, was thinking that I should change it too after chaging the content's left margin
[12:03:14] <nononono>	skin is finished I think
[12:05:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) change scripts loading order back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720 critical; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (liangent)
[12:06:30] <BlackBinary>	IS there a Way to Specify the Categorys of the new Page in the Createbox?  (without templates)
[12:07:06] <Splarka>	not with just InputBox, SemanticForms might let ya
[12:08:24] <BlackBinary>	SemanticForms ?
[12:08:53] <BlackBinary>	ahh  an extension
[12:11:23] <BlackBinary>	and how can this extension do this?
[12:11:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  +comment (10cecilatwp)
[12:12:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) change script loading order back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720  summary; +comment (10liangent)
[12:23:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Allmessages export interface lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20700  +comment (10skatinghacker)
[12:26:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) data loss in is.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20703  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[12:26:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Allmessages export interface lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20700  (10innocentkiller)
[12:32:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Allmessages export interface lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20700  (10skatinghacker)
[12:34:39] <werdna>	thedj: I'm around, are you here?
[12:35:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) data loss in is.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20703  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[12:37:19] <werdna>	thedj: AJAX Categories is something I whipped up at Wikimania with little intention of doing significant maintenance on
[12:37:48] <werdna>	thedj: if your stuff is better, and you'd like to maintain it, then by all means I can replace the stuff I have with what you've developed ;)
[12:40:02] <^demon>	"the API only shows modified messages." <- is that even true?
[12:40:41] <thedj>	werdna: i have no idea what is better.
[12:41:10] <thedj>	Catburn  is still a work in progress, and not fully based on jQuery, since it's build of the old HotCat code basically.
[12:43:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Allmessages export interface lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20700  (10innocentkiller)
[12:44:09] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56594 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Pager.php: 
[12:44:09] <CIA-12>	* use wfMsgExt with escapenoentities instead of wfMsgHtml (line 679)
[12:44:09] <CIA-12>	* break long lists of parameters
[12:44:09] <CIA-12>	* remove trailing whitespace
[12:45:59] <Splarka>	^demon: what it doesn't do is show you defaults along side defaults (roan said he'd add that later)
[12:46:37] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=allmessages -> <message name="aboutsite" xml:space="preserve">About Wikipedia</message>
[12:46:49] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AllMessages  -> "About {{SITENAME}}" / "About Wikipedia"
[12:47:18] <Splarka>	er defaults along side changeds, er, something
[12:47:25] <werdna>	thedj: well, the old hotcat code sucks :P
[12:47:55] <thedj>	oh definetly
[12:48:22] *Splarka 	reserves werd/dj a chapel
[12:48:44] <thedj>	werdna: where is the ajaxcategories code ?
[12:49:12] <werdna>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/js2/ajaxcategories.js?view=markup
[12:49:39] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56595 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Pager.php: Revert functional change from r56594. That broke more than it tried to fix somehow.
[12:51:49] <^demon>	Splarka: What good is defaults next to defaults? How does that help anybody?
[12:52:15] <^demon>	Oh, you mean customized vs. default. Ok. Nevermind.
[12:52:25] <thedj>	werdna: catburn handles sortkeys, multiple additions in one edit, and it's aware of template transclusion and hiddencats. that are the advantadges i guess. 
[12:52:45] <werdna>	thedj: what awareness of hidden categories is needed?
[12:53:06] <werdna>	sortkeys might be nice, same with accumulating edits
[12:53:15] <BlackBinary>	the Extension "SemanticForms" make a Error like : MediaWiki internal error.
[12:53:33] <BlackBinary>	the include on LocalSettings is okay ..
[12:53:51] <BlackBinary>	SemanticMediaWiki work  without problems
[12:54:12] <thedj>	werdna: but is ajaxcategories enabled anywhere ?
[12:55:17] <thedj>	werdna: a template included cat becomes this for instance: Categories: {{Wikipedia pages with to-do lists}} | 
[12:55:24] <thedj>	to indicate that users can't edit it.
[12:55:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show default messages in ApiQueryAllmessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20700  summary; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[12:56:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709  (10bashar.hanna)
[12:56:18] <^demon>	Splarka: Repurposed the "please put it back on Special:Allmessages"
[12:56:37] <BlackBinary>	okay
[12:57:00] <Splarka>	^demon: I told Platonides to do that yesterday or suffer WONTFIX, I was ignored *cry*
[12:57:10] <werdna>	thedj: on http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/ but it's still quite buggy
[12:57:21] <^demon>	Splarka: Well if they change it back I'll just WONTFIX and file a new bug.
[12:57:44] <werdna>	thedj: I think that's a very opaque way of doing it in the UI
[12:57:44] <Splarka>	meanie ^_^
[12:57:50] <werdna>	why not grey out the edit button?
[12:57:55] <^demon>	Splarka: Well I'm not adding it back to Allmessages.
[12:58:08] <thedj>	there is no edit button in that case for the category
[12:58:19] <werdna>	right.
[12:58:25] <werdna>	so why put it in double braces?
[12:58:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Wanted* - purge link tables - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16112  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[12:58:47] <thedj>	it's more visual feedback for the experienced users.
[12:58:56] <werdna>	It's just confusing
[12:59:01] <werdna>	IMO, anyway
[12:59:11] <werdna>	if there's no edit button, it's included by a template
[12:59:27] <werdna>	why not, say, show a greyed out edit button with a custom tooltip that explains why?
[13:01:00] <thedj>	basically, that was more work :D
[13:01:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) New user permission abusefilter-viewprivate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19362  +comment (10xenowiki)
[13:01:23] <thedj>	doing document.createElements sucks :D
[13:01:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New user permission abusefilter-viewprivate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19362  +comment (10agarrett)
[13:02:12] <werdna>	well that's what jQuery is for
[13:02:41] <werdna>	$j('<div/>').addClass('my-class').text('my-text').appendTo(myElement);
[13:04:08] <thedj>	well jQuery wasn't ther yet when I started this :D
[13:04:16] <werdna>	;)
[13:04:19] <werdna>	it will be in the new code
[13:04:31] <werdna>	You are, of course, more than welcome to submit patches against the new code
[13:04:57] <thedj>	its about time i setup a wikimedia installation i guess.
[13:05:04] <thedj>	mediawiki
[13:05:27] <thedj>	sending in patches without being able to test them has reached it's limits i suspect.
[13:05:54] <^demon>	Testing patches before submitting is generally appreciated, yes :)
[13:06:47] <thedj>	well mine haven't been that big so far, so i've always managed to do them without testing.
[13:07:04] <thedj>	or testing them locally in en.wp because they were css/js related.
[13:09:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add abusefilter-viewprivate to administrator userright on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20721 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (xenowiki)
[13:10:31] *^demon 	sets a couple of ping-traps around RoanKattouw
[13:10:57] *RoanKattouw 	is not surprised
[13:10:59] <RoanKattouw>	What is it this time?
[13:11:13] <^demon>	:)
[13:11:38] <^demon>	Allmessages for API.
[13:11:52] <RoanKattouw>	Ah yes
[13:13:00] <^demon>	I assigned bug 20700 to you, originally asked for re-adding it to Allmessages. Repurposed it to the API bug.
[13:14:08] <RoanKattouw>	Ah yes
[13:14:28] <RoanKattouw>	I'll add it today, hopefully someone will be prepared to deploy it, that's out of my hands
[13:14:41] <^demon>	Hopefully.
[13:18:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show default messages in ApiQueryAllmessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20700  (10skatinghacker)
[13:19:34] *thedj 	dives into a mediawiki installation guide for Mac OS X.
[13:19:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show default messages in ApiQueryAllmessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20700  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:20:06] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12253 Hmm
[13:20:12] *Emufarmers 	stabs bug 19155
[13:21:06] *werdna 	hides
[13:21:31] <Splarka>	roan, how will you modify it to be back compat? a default="" parameter on <message> tag, or a <default> tag inside <message>, or a sibling of it? (and won't that turn the array into an object in json in most cases, ew, breaking)
[13:21:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikEd compatibility: toolbar focuses on hidden textarea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20498  (10roan.kattouw)
[13:21:50] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Maybe do-able once we have mwreleases installed?
[13:22:12] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: Haven't looked at it yet; off the top of my head the safest way is to make that extra output optional
[13:22:37] <Emufarmers>	^demon: maybe, though I don't see why that should even be necessary: all it has to do is default to the second option
[13:24:03] <Splarka>	roan: right, something like amprop=effective|default|changed, with effective being the normal (original) output
[13:24:23] <^demon>	Emufarmers: Heh duh yeah
[13:24:45] <Splarka>	and then you can add more tags like <default><changed> instead of <message> when a message has been changed
[13:25:20] <Splarka>	&amprop=effective -> <message name="aboutsite" xml:space="preserve">About Wikipedia</message>
[13:25:25] <^demon>	Splarka: What about nesting <default> and <changed> in <message>?
[13:26:02] <^demon>	Actually ignore me. I can't think right now.
[13:26:07] <Splarka>	&amprop=default|changed -> <default name="aboutsite" xml:space="preserve">About {{SITENAME}}</default><changed name="aboutsite" xml:space="preserve">About Wikipedia</changed>
[13:26:07] *^demon 	wanders off to find breakfast
[13:26:11] <Splarka>	dunno
[13:26:15] <Splarka>	is up to roan to figger it out
[13:26:20] <Splarka>	just tossing suggestions
[13:26:38] <Splarka>	'changed' is a bad word for it but I can't think of a better
[13:26:43] <AryehGregor>	<Splarka> AryehGregor: you might consider removing unsupported tags from the sanitizer with $wgHtml5 enabled, like <tt>, as it seems the newer browsers will do that themselves (FF3) <-- What?
[13:26:49] <AryehGregor>	Browsers don't remove <tt> . . .
[13:27:03] <Splarka>	no, but they don't render it either, apparently
[13:27:18] <Splarka>	Mike lifeguard was complaining about <tt> not working on his wiki with wghtml5
[13:27:35] <AryehGregor>	That's not right.
[13:27:40] <Splarka>	turns out, FF3 was showing literal <tt>foo</tt>bar for <tt>foo</tt><b>bar</b>
[13:27:44] <Splarka>	well, that's what he said
[13:27:46] <AryehGregor>	. . .
[13:27:50] <AryehGregor>	That's impossible.
[13:27:54] *Splarka 	shrugs
[13:28:00] <Splarka>	then Mike||sleep is a liar ^_^
[13:28:22] <AryehGregor>	Did he say that in this channel?
[13:28:45] <Splarka>	eh... hmm, I think it was #mediawiki-scripts actually
[13:28:51] <Mike||sleep>	I'm not sure I was using html5
[13:28:53] <Mike||sleep>	no, it was in pm with you
[13:28:57] <Splarka>	ahh, there
[13:29:33] <Mike_lifeguard>	what are you supposed to use instead of tt anyways?
[13:29:33] <Splarka>	Mike_lifeguard: try disabling it in your localsettings and seeing if the tt render?
[13:29:45] <Splarka>	<span style="font-family:monospace;">
[13:30:19] <Splarka>	isn't that pretty
[13:30:54] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720 regression too?
[13:30:58] *Mike_lifeguard 	creates Template:tt for that :)
[13:31:10] <AryehGregor>	You're supposed to be using semantic elements like <code>.
[13:31:58] <Splarka>	well, you're supposed to use code for code, if it isn't code then code isn't semantically appropriate ^_^
[13:31:59] <Nikerabbit>	AryehGregor: is your stance still to just allow them in parser output?
[13:32:08] <faceface>	does a redirect of a template work? i.e. calling '{{obsolete name|some var|param=other var}}' passes the vars on to the redirected template?
[13:32:28] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: Probably
[13:32:30] <AryehGregor>	Nikerabbit, I've never been committed to that.  It's good enough for now, though.
[13:32:37] <Splarka>	http://www.w3schools.com/tags/html5_tt.asp  I accidentally the whole tag
[13:32:50] <AryehGregor>	It's not really worth spending too much effort on replacing <tt> with <span class=tt> or whatever.
[13:32:55] <RoanKattouw>	faceface: Yes
[13:33:01] <faceface>	RoanKattouw: awesome
[13:33:03] <Nikerabbit>	AryehGregor: in parser?
[13:33:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  +comment (10mycae)
[13:33:39] <AryehGregor>	I think we may as well leave it, let people get validation errors if they use non-semantic markup.  But give the option to refuse to recognize such tags entirely, just HTML-escape them.
[13:33:50] <AryehGregor>	Not usable in a legacy wiki, of course.
[13:33:59] <Nikerabbit>	AryehGregor: bah, then someone would need to fix system messages
[13:34:14] <AryehGregor>	True.
[13:34:33] <Mike_lifeguard>	uhh, somehow the literal <tt>:D</tt> I entered in the edit form was turned into &lt;tt&gt;:D&lt;/tt&gt; :O
[13:34:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	no wonder it wasn't rendering as I expected!
[13:34:53] <Splarka>	bah, you said it was <tt> in the source
[13:34:56] *Splarka 	stabs mikey
[13:35:13] <Nikerabbit>	AryehGregor: but how do you do <big> semantically?
[13:35:23] <werdna>	hello AryehGregor 
[13:35:40] <AryehGregor>	Nikerabbit, you don't, it's not a semantic concept.  You do <h1> or <strong> or whatever is appropriate.
[13:35:42] <flyingparchment>	AryehGregor: or we could convert <tt> into <span class="tt"> in the parser
[13:35:53] <AryehGregor>	flyingparchment, yes, but what's the point?
[13:36:02] <flyingparchment>	AryehGregor: allowing valid HTML markup without breaking existing content
[13:36:04] <werdna>	Nikerabbit: by the way, I will be in Helsinki on 28-29 September.
[13:36:05] <Nikerabbit>	AryehGregor: that's too f...ing idealistic
[13:36:09] <Nikerabbit>	werdna: ok
[13:36:10] <Splarka>	there is a similar request for <colgroup>
[13:36:37] <Nikerabbit>	people just want to do <verybig>PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE PROCEEDING</verybig>, in which case it would be handy shortcut
[13:36:44] <Splarka>	the main point of which would be to allow align, exept firefox doesn't respect align in colgroup to begin with, so it'd have to set a class on each td/th
[13:37:56] <AryehGregor>	flyingparchment, we allow valid HTML markup, you just have to avoid the invalid bits.
[13:38:21] <AryehGregor>	Nikerabbit, yes, semantic HTML is overly idealistic in many cases.
[13:38:22] <flyingparchment>	AryehGregor: when i write <tt>, i'm not saying "emit an HTML tt tag".  i'm saying "make this text monospace".  it's the wiki's job to emit HTML to make that happen.
[13:38:42] <flyingparchment>	AryehGregor: at the moment, we just emit <tt> in the HTML; but there's no reason we can't do something different.
[13:38:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preferences' time offset (timezone) corrupted (maybe also stub link threshold) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20719  (10innocentkiller)
[13:38:51] <AryehGregor>	Anyway, I won't object if someone does conversions like <tt> -> <span class="tt">, but personally I'm not likely to bother.
[13:38:54] <flyingparchment>	AryehGregor: changing the HTML we produce shouldn't cause changes in what users enter in wikitext
[13:39:22] <flyingparchment>	(with the exception of CSS, which i really dislike in wikitext anyway, for this reason)
[13:40:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) FlaggedRevs note box (form) should contain current notes, to be easily changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20722 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:40:39] <AryehGregor>	It really depends on your attitude.  If you think we should make sure to emit valid HTML so we can claim we're valid and for no other reason, then we should convert stuff like <tt>.  If you think we should follow the standard only because the standard is right to remove <tt>, then converting it to <span class=tt> is pointless.
[13:40:53] <AryehGregor>	I'm somewhere in the middle, tending toward the first part in this case.
[13:41:04] <flyingparchment>	AryehGregor: neither of those statements describe my attitude
[13:41:40] <Splarka>	and just supposing hypothetically, some browsers do emit literal <tt>? what to do in that case?
[13:41:42] <AryehGregor>	What's your attitude, then?
[13:41:54] <AryehGregor>	Splarka, work around them.  But they don't.  Not possible.
[13:41:59] <flyingparchment>	AryehGregor: my primary motivation is that we should not change the format of wikitext without a very good reason; and HTML5 is not a good reason.  secondarily, we should attempt to comply with some kind of HTML standard.  you have chosen to implement HTML5, so it seems that we want to comply with HTML5.  in that case, the correct solution seems to be emitting <span>
[13:42:27] <flyingparchment>	the only other options are changing wikitext, which is bad, or emitting invalid HTML, which is also bad.
[13:42:35] <AryehGregor>	flyingparchment, that's more or less position one.  "If we're going to emit HTML5, we should emit valid HTML5."
[13:42:39] <thedj>	anyone installed MySQL on Snow leopard per chance ?
[13:43:00] <AryehGregor>	In fact, in HTML5, using non-semantic markup where you can use semantic markup is probably non-conforming also.
[13:43:07] <AryehGregor>	But validators obviously can't catch it.
[13:44:23] <werdna>	thedj: I have it installed on SL
[13:44:26] <werdna>	thedj: just use macports
[13:44:32] <Splarka>	btw AryehGregor: <script> tags are missing type even with html5 disabled (brion mentioned it, and I assigned a bug someone else opened to ya)
[13:44:46] <AryehGregor>	Splarka, hmm, drat.
[13:44:48] <thedj>	werdna: ah ok.
[13:45:02] <AryehGregor>	Should be easily fixable.
[13:45:10] <AryehGregor>	Is Wikipedia running with $wgHtml5 off?
[13:45:23] <Splarka>	yah, it had html5 briefly I think, I saw it on test.wp anyway
[13:45:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs note box (form) should contain current notes, to be easily changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20722  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:45:39] <Splarka>	note it might be fixed in trunk, I didn't know what to check though
[13:45:51] <^demon>	Wow that's fun. If you login to more than 1 bugzilla instance in a tld the cookies conflict.
[13:46:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs note box (form) should contain current notes, to be easily changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20722  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:46:22] <AryehGregor>	< isn't allowed in attributes in XML?
[13:46:22] <Nikerabbit>	sounds like as sane as one password per tld that firefox enforces
[13:46:36] <AryehGregor>	^demon, I don't think you mean TLD.  :)
[13:46:53] <werdna>	if cookies could be per-TLD, it would make things much easier ;)
[13:47:08] *^demon 	knows what he meant
[13:47:25] <Splarka>	AryehGregor: has to be entity-encoded yah, was breaking stuff with html5 off, heh
[13:47:28] <^demon>	Like if you login to bugzilla.wikimedia.org and bugzilla3.wikimedia.org :)
[13:47:45] <^demon>	The bugzilla cookies for *.wikimedia.org conflict. That was my point.
[13:48:04] <AryehGregor>	Oh, look at that.
[13:48:39] <AryehGregor>	I wonder why XML prohibits the "<" in quoted attributes?  It's not ambiguous.
[13:49:08] <Nikerabbit>	easier to play around with grep? :o
[13:49:17] <Nikerabbit>	or regexps
[13:49:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:51:44] <werdna>	AryehGregor: This seems to be a regression in using the Html class, any thoughts?
[13:51:48] <werdna>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20719
[13:52:00] <werdna>	The size parameter seems to be sneaking into the value, for some reason, on some wikis
[13:52:19] <AryehGregor>	o_O
[13:52:41] <werdna>	but I have no idea how it could be doing that
[13:52:49] <AryehGregor>	Can you reproduce?
[13:53:02] <AryehGregor>	If not, let's ask affected users for the HTML source.
[13:53:04] <werdna>	not locally, no
[13:53:10] <werdna>	I can on dewiki
[13:53:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) change script loading order back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720   +code-update-regression (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:53:17] <AryehGregor>	Hmm, me too.
[13:53:43] *werdna 	tries changing $wgLanguageCode to de
[13:53:44] <AryehGregor>	Okay, I'm betting this is simple.
[13:53:46] <AryehGregor>	Let me help.
[13:53:50] <AryehGregor>	werdna, I see it on enwiki.
[13:54:00] <werdna>	hm
[13:54:12] <AryehGregor>	I probably just messed up the unnamed arguments to Html::input().
[13:54:21] <AryehGregor>	Xml::input() takes a size where Html::input() takes value or something.
[13:54:25] <werdna>	that's what I thought
[13:54:39] <werdna>	I can reproduce on a local wmf-deployment instance
[13:54:43] <AryehGregor>	Hmm, I can't reproduce locally either.
[13:54:46] <AryehGregor>	Oh, really?
[13:55:15] <AryehGregor>	<input id=mw-input-timecorrection-other size=45 name=wptimecorrection-other> 
[13:55:21] <AryehGregor>	That's what I get locally . . .
[13:55:27] <werdna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/path?path=/trunk/phase3/includes/Html.php
[13:55:31] <werdna>	possibly Aaron's commit.
[13:56:01] <werdna>	I get this
[13:56:02] <werdna>	<input name="wpstubthreshold-other" value="45" id="mw-input-stubthreshold-other"/>
[13:56:24] <werdna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56184
[13:56:39] <werdna>	looks like ialex already fixed it
[13:56:58] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20718 oops?
[13:57:23] <AryehGregor>	Aha, yep.
[13:57:26] <CIA-12>	03nikerabbit * r56596 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Shut up warnings from r56420 that have annoyed us few days :o
[13:57:40] <werdna>	confirmed fixed
[13:57:41] <AryehGregor>	That looks like it was the problem.
[13:58:19] <CIA-12>	03werdna * r56597 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/HTMLForm.php: Merge r56184, bugfix for preferences regression caused by new Html class with different parameter ordering.
[13:58:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change script loading order back (for gadget scripts) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720  summary; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:59:17] <werdna>	AryehGregor: syncing
[13:59:43] <AryehGregor>	Tim++ for saying we should only have named parameters for things like this.
[14:00:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Preferences' time offset (timezone) corrupted (maybe also stub link threshold) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20719  +comment (10agarrett)
[14:00:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change script loading order back (for gadget scripts) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:03:48] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56598 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: 
[14:03:48] <CIA-12>	Revert r56494 (second try of r56465). Causes fatals. PHP Fatal error: Call to a
[14:03:48] <CIA-12>	member function getText() on a non-object in
[14:03:48] <CIA-12>	/var/www/w/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php on line 437 on for
[14:03:48] <CIA-12>	example
[14:03:51] <CIA-12>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Flvhandler_desc/nl&action=edit
[14:04:40] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56599 10/trunk/extensions/FlvHandler/FlvHandler.i18n.php: Update description
[14:05:20] <CIA-12>	03werdna * r56600 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: 
[14:05:20] <CIA-12>	Remove double catlinks on edit page.
[14:05:20] <CIA-12>	Resolves bug 20718.
[14:05:56] <faceface>	RoanKattouw: ty
[14:06:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) double catlinks div on edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20718  +comment (10agarrett)
[14:09:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wikispecies logo image missing on secure server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20723 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (artificial)
[14:17:35] <AryehGregor>	werdna, is $wgHtml5 false on Wikimedia?
[14:17:48] <AryehGregor>	Actually, I guess it obviously is.
[14:18:06] <werdna>	> print var_dump($wgHtml5)
[14:18:06] <werdna>	bool(false)
[14:18:21] <AryehGregor>	Interesting, did anyone say why that is?
[14:18:37] <domas>	yes, someone did
[14:18:38] <domas>	say something
[14:18:39] <domas>	I remember
[14:18:49] <domas>	don't remember who (probably brion) nor what (something to do with additional variables)
[14:19:40] <AryehGregor>	Do you remember where, so I can check the logs?
[14:20:29] <Splarka>	I don't remember it in the scrollback or logs here so it musta been -tech
[14:20:47] <Splarka>	Sep 17: 01:01 logmsgbot: brion synchronized php-1.5/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  'wgHtml5 off for now to reduce new vars'
[14:20:56] <Splarka>	on http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log
[14:21:15] <AryehGregor>	k.
[14:22:02] <werdna>	I assume that means he wants to deploy as few things in one go as possible :)
[14:30:11] <werdna>	We should really have "Resolves bug X" as a magic word for closing that bug.
[14:30:20] <CIA-12>	03werdna * r56602 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:30:20] <CIA-12>	Force changedfilter parameter to integer on Special:AbuseFilter.
[14:30:20] <CIA-12>	Resolves bug 20496
[14:32:47] <Splarka>	it'd be nice to have "blocked by bug x being 'fixed'" or "opposing bug x", heh
[14:33:11] <Splarka>	(while we're on wishes)
[14:34:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add keyword for closing a particular bug within a commit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (agarrett)
[14:36:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add keyword for closing a particular bug within a commit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20724  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:36:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) has improper value for fails for text properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20608  (10jmcclure)
[14:36:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) 'changedfilter' parameter accepts arbitrary wikitext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20496  +comment (10agarrett)
[14:37:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) HTML output doesn't validate anymore (w3c: script tag is missing type attribute) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20713  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:38:15] <JamesC>	I have just completed a new install and when I try and go to an article that doesn't exist I get a 404 error yet when I do this on other wiki installs I get an option to edit the page etc.. can anybody advise me on this?
[14:38:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Messy 'new messages' pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20644  +comment (10agarrett)
[14:38:48] <Platonides>	JamesC, it should be a 404 page with the "this article does not exist" wiki content
[14:39:06] <Platonides>	if you don't see the wiki, but a server specific page
[14:39:13] <Platonides>	you need to change your server config
[14:39:13] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56603 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiFormatBase.php: Partial revert of r56602: remove what is probably accidentally committed debugging code.
[14:39:21] <Platonides>	are you using IIS?
[14:39:36] <JamesC>	yes, I am uusing IIS7 on WinServer2008
[14:39:46] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: I just looked, and ApiFeedWatchlist does its own error handling, see ApiFeedWatchlist.php lines 108-130
[14:40:12] <JamesC>	what config am I looking to change exactly?
[14:40:43] <JamesC>	Platonides, to confirm I am seeing the servers 404 page not a wiki page..
[14:40:53] <Splarka>	JamesC: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18270
[14:40:55] <Platonides>	it was explained on a bug...
[14:41:35] <Platonides>	see comment 19
[14:44:39] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56604 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Default wpNotes to previous value in diff-to-stable
[14:44:53] <JamesC>	Platonides, I am reading the link sent to me, for which I thank you, but wonder.. do you know how to do this in IIS7?
[14:45:22] <JamesC>	these instructions are for iis6 and I cannot see an option for setting error page to default in iis7
[14:45:34] <Platonides>	I don't have IIS, so I can't tell you
[14:45:47] <Platonides>	the option is probably hidden somewhere, though
[14:46:16] <Platonides>	if you discover where did they move it, please share so the next one is luckier :)
[14:46:57] <JamesC>	thanks for your help :)
[14:48:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Messy 'new messages' pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20644  (10siebrand)
[14:50:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Messy 'new messages' pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20644  (10agarrett)
[14:53:38] <malafaya>	in the API, what's the meaning of <query-continue> ?
[14:55:05] <malafaya>	ok, i already understood
[14:55:56] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56605 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Html.php: typecast $attribs to an array to avoid on-site notices
[14:56:50] <JamesC>	Platonides, I have figured it out with a little playing around... It's a bit of a fudge and not the best in regards securit but you have to enable detailed errors for local and remote users by editing the feature settings of the 404 error and choosing detailed errors..
[15:09:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Automatic user promotion on Special:RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20725 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (danny.leinad)
[15:10:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709  (10bashar.hanna)
[15:11:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Automatic user promotion on Special:RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20725  (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:12:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs note box (form) should contain current notes, to be easily changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20722  (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:17:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make threads collapsible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19580  (10agarrett)
[15:24:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Show default messages in ApiQueryAllmessages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20700  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:24:57] *RoanKattouw 	kicks CIA-12
[15:24:57] <CIA-12>	ow
[15:25:15] <avar>	werdna: when do you arrive in Berlin?
[15:27:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709  (10roan.kattouw)
[15:27:02] <werdna>	avar: Tuesday, 15:55
[15:30:01] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56606 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryAllmessages.php): 
[15:30:01] <CIA-12>	* API: (bug 20700) Add amprop=default to list default messages in list=allmessages. This adds default="defaultmessagecontent" or defaultmissing="" to customized messages; non-customized messages get no extra attribute.
[15:30:01] <CIA-12>	* Don't parse magic words in messages returned by meta=allmessages , but output the message contents verbatim
[15:30:07] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: it's not in svn yet (aramic)
[15:30:18] <CIA-12>	03simetrical * r56607 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Html.php: 
[15:30:18] <CIA-12>	Tighten up unquoted attribute output
[15:30:18] <CIA-12>	Only affects wikis with $wgWellFormedXml = false. In principle, the old
[15:30:18] <CIA-12>	behavior might have permitted XSS in IE if that setting is false (which
[15:30:19] <CIA-12>	is not the default), but I haven't checked. See
[15:30:21] <CIA-12>	<http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/issues/detail?id=92>.
[15:33:16] <RoanKattouw>	Nikerabbit: I see; can you check that it's in TW?
[15:33:52] <Splarka>	Roan: that is very counterintuitive syntax, but is backcomat ^_^
[15:34:04] <RoanKattouw>	Aye
[15:35:17] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: it is
[15:35:26] <RoanKattouw>	OK good
[15:35:41] <RoanKattouw>	Is it possible to just export that, then merge and sync it?
[15:35:57] <Nikerabbit>	eh what
[15:36:00] <Nikerabbit>	it isn't
[15:36:06] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?language=arc&module=namespace&title=Special%3AAdvancedTranslate
[15:45:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Automatic user promotion on Special:RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20725  +comment (10danny.leinad)
[15:45:37] <nononono>	Splarka: :( can't change the width of searchform, if I change form { }, it changes all forms
[15:52:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709  (10roan.kattouw)
[15:57:24] <Splarka>	nononono: so use the id or classes associated with it
[15:57:50] <Splarka>	which search form? the one in the left navigation column? should be wrapped in #p-search and have id like #searchform or something
[16:10:52] <Mutru>	Hello everyone. I'm looking for an extension that would let me whitelist only specific e-mail domains in user registration, so that only people from @myschool.edu would be able to create an account in my MediaWiki.
[16:11:06] <Mutru>	I tried to Google around but didn't find anything. Any tips?
[16:12:37] <Nikerabbit>	mui Mutru
[16:13:49] <Mutru>	Hi Niklas. :)
[16:14:11] <Nikerabbit>	Mutru: perhaps use confirm account extensions or external authentication?
[16:14:41] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56608 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.hooks.php FlaggedRevs.php): bug 20725: add config var to show autopromote rights changes on RC
[16:15:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Automatic user promotion on Special:RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20725  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[16:15:54] <Mutru>	Yeah, Confirm Account extension was the best I could find. I could of course patch it a little.
[16:22:22] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56609 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (ConfirmAccount_body.php SpecialConfirmAccount.php): Assorted minor cleanups & doc tweaks
[16:22:26] <nononono>	ah, so it's #searchform ?
[16:24:02] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56610 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php: rm manual version #
[16:25:02] <nononono>	I was trying #p-search.pbody {}
[16:25:19] <nononono>	kinda confusing what is class, what is id
[16:26:04] <nononono>	firebug bugs me :P lol
[16:26:13] <Splarka>	<span class="foo foo2 foo3" id="bar">
[16:26:50] <Splarka>	can be referenced as: span {} span.foo {} span.foo2 {} span.foo3 {} span#bar {} .foo {} #bar {} span.foo#bar {} and several other combinations
[16:27:07] <Splarka>	no prefix = tagname, # = id, . = class (space delimited)
[16:27:35] <Splarka>	<div id="p-search" class="portlet"> <div id="searchBody" class="pBody"> <form action="/w/index.php" id="searchform"> <input id="searchInput" title="Search Wikipedia" accesskey="f" name="search" />
[16:27:43] <Splarka>	depending on what you want there...
[16:28:03] <Splarka>	you have #p-search, #searchBody, #searchform, and #searchInput to work with
[16:30:19] <nononono>	I was completely ignoring the div ids in the html view
[16:33:36] <malafaya>	once in a while i see a parameter specified as {{{1|}}} instead of {{{1}}}. what does that pipe mean?
[16:33:57] <RoanKattouw>	malafaya: {{{paramname|default value}}}
[16:34:10] <RoanKattouw>	So {{{1|}}} means first unnamed parameter, and the default value is nothing
[16:34:43] <malafaya>	thanks RoanKattouw
[16:34:53] <malafaya>	i suppose same for {{{lang|en}}}
[16:34:58] <malafaya>	default = en
[16:35:02] <RoanKattouw>	Aye
[16:36:19] <nononono>	searchbody is a a few pixels wider than p-search, but since searchbody is inside, a few pixels to the right get clipped
[16:37:21] <CIA-12>	03simetrical * r56601 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Html.php: 
[16:37:21] <CIA-12>	Don't drop default attrib values in non-HTML5
[16:37:21] <CIA-12>	Some attributes that have defaults in HTML5 don't have defaults in
[16:37:21] <CIA-12>	XHTML1, particularly type="" on scripts and styles (bug 20713). There's
[16:37:21] <CIA-12>	not much point in trying to maintain two separate sets of defaults,
[16:37:22] <CIA-12>	so I've just kept the HTML5 ones and haven't tried to strip any defaults
[16:37:26] <CIA-12>	in XHTML1 mode.
[16:37:45] <Nikerabbit>	aww
[16:39:54] <nononono>	 #searchbody.pbody
[16:40:13] <RoanKattouw>	That doesn't do what you want
[16:40:27] <RoanKattouw>	#searchbody.pbody -> element with ID searchbody that also has class pbody
[16:40:46] <RoanKattouw>	#searchbody .pbody -> elements inside #searchbody that have class pbody
[16:41:03] <RoanKattouw>	#searchbody, .pbody -> elements that have either ID searchbody or class pbody
[16:43:13] <Nikerabbit>	I hate php
[16:43:39] <Nikerabbit>	there is no easy way to change array keys on the fly?
[16:46:30] <ialex>	what do you want exactely?
[16:48:32] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: flatten multidimensional array
[16:50:45] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56611 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[16:50:45] <CIA-12>	wmf-deployment: Recombine minified usability JS, excluding some stuff that's
[16:50:45] <CIA-12>	disabled on WMF wikis; this takes out about 80 KB of currently unused JS and
[16:50:45] <CIA-12>	speeds up toolbar loading because dialog processing isn't done. Obviously this
[16:50:46] <CIA-12>	is a live performance hack that will be removed once the Babaco features are
[16:50:48] <CIA-12>	enabled.
[16:51:16] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: array_walk?
[16:51:18] <RoanKattouw>	brion: ---^^
[16:51:53] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: doesn't allow chaning keys
[16:52:10] <Nikerabbit>	nor about anything but printing or changing the value
[16:56:24] <Emufarmers>	http://www.google.com/search?q=array_flatten hm
[17:00:02] <Hero>	i am moving mediawiki from / to /wiki/. it seems to be working fine. but the paths on the wiki and special pages are broken. need help with that
[17:00:23] <Hero>	all the special pages point to /page and not /wiki/page
[17:00:31] <ialex>	update $wgScriptPath in LocalSettings.php
[17:00:49] <Hero>	ialex: i did change it from "" to "/wiki"
[17:01:41] <ialex>	Hero: do you have some other paths in LocalSettings.php, such as $wgScript?
[17:02:10] <JNSamuel>	why would you want to have it look like a subdirectory
[17:02:13] <Shaun222>	with mediawiki can i make it so that newpages and changes require a admin/moderator to be approved before changed/displayed
[17:02:35] <Hero>	ialex: not that I can see
[17:02:59] <ialex>	Shaun222: more or less, you can try the FlaggedRevs extension
[17:03:03] <Hero>	JNSamuel: if you're asking me, we have moved the files from / to /wiki and want it to reflect in the url too
[17:03:05] <ialex>	!e FlaggedRevs
[17:03:05] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[17:03:31] <ialex>	Hero: is your wiki public?
[17:04:18] <Nikerabbit>	mm
[17:04:24] <Nikerabbit>	does this look sane: http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Sandbox ?
[17:04:56] <Hero>	ialex: yes it is barcampmumbai.org/wiki
[17:05:04] <JNSamuel>	using a wiki as a pastebin, or the code?
[17:06:04] <ialex>	Hero: do you have $wgArticlePath in LocalSettings.php ?
[17:06:16] <ialex>	JNSamuel: the code
[17:06:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Title::getLatestRevID function documentation is incorrect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20726 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (seventowers)
[17:06:49] <Hero>	ialex: yes it's /$1
[17:07:01] <ialex>	Hero: change it to /wiki/$1
[17:07:15] <Hero>	ialex: ok. let me check
[17:07:51] <Hero>	ialex: awesome. worked :)
[17:08:18] <Nikerabbit>	JNSamuel: the code
[17:08:34] <Nikerabbit>	JNSamuel: and wiki works fine as pastebin :)
[17:08:38] <Hero>	ialex: this isn't covered in the docs. should I be adding it in here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[17:09:06] <JNSamuel>	.
[17:09:08] <ialex>	Hero: yes
[17:10:31] <Hero>	ialex: will do. thanks.
[17:10:39] <ialex>	Hero: no problem :)
[17:10:52] <Nikerabbit>	argh
[17:11:03] <JNSamuel>	Nikerabbit: can't say i agree with you there, but okay
[17:11:04] <Nikerabbit>	I continously read Hero as него
[17:11:15] <Nikerabbit>	JNSamuel: how you dare to disagree with me! :D
[17:11:24] <JNSamuel>	:D
[17:11:50] <Nikerabbit>	hmph
[17:12:07] <JNSamuel>	but yeah, the code looks fine
[17:23:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Title::getLatestRevID function documentation is incorrect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20726  15enhancement->minor (10seventowers)
[17:28:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Upload disappeared. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20727 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (Abigor)
[17:29:53] <mophilly>	in the move of osx 10.5, mediawiki got clobbered. I have sorted out a few things and it works except that bureaucrat and sysop roles are not recognized. The rows are in the table user_groups, but the interface isn't respecting that. E.g. cannot edit MediaWiki:Sidebar, ditto user rights. What may have been goofed?
[17:30:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Upload disappeared. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20727  +comment (10Abigor)
[17:31:27] <tstiffler88>	hey, what do you guys know about the new beta version of the mediawiki site?
[17:31:37] <tstiffler88>	I'm trying it out and it's really slick, wouldn't mind using it on mine
[17:35:11] <CIA-12>	03tomasz * r56612 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Export.php: bumping version number as new xsd r54472 was approved. fixing spacing
[17:36:46] <lotia>	folks any pointers for uploading openoffice docs to mediawiki. i added the extension to Localsettings.php, edited mime.info and mime.types and still doesn't work.
[17:37:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikispecies logo image missing on secure server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20723  (10herd)
[17:38:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Monospace/preformatted text hsa gotten much smaller in Vector (code, tt, pre) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20706  +comment (10dragonlordofxanther)
[17:46:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10verszil)
[18:01:04] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Wikispecies logo image missing on secure server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20723  +comment (10fvassard)
[18:04:32] <Hero>	one more problem. My mainpage properly shows up as http://barcampmumbai.org/wiki/Main_Page but clicking on the logo takes me to http://barcampmumbai.org/Main_Page. how to correct that?
[18:05:08] <Nikerabbit>	incorrect $wgArticlePath?
[18:05:45] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: no. I just corrected it after ialex helped me with that. after that things seem to work fine. but for this
[18:07:39] <Nikerabbit>	uh
[18:08:03] <Nikerabbit>	Hero: why is your scriptpath inside articlepath?
[18:08:27] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: sorry didn't get you
[18:09:20] <Nikerabbit>	Hero: are you using url rewrites?
[18:09:58] <Hero>	yes there were some url rewrite entries in .htaccess
[18:10:45] <Nikerabbit>	Hero: were? or is?
[18:10:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Monospace/preformatted text hsa gotten much smaller in Vector (code, tt, pre) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20706  (10ngautam)
[18:10:55] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: yes it's being used
[18:11:33] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: i need to check things. as it was setup and run by someone else till now. just got access to it today
[18:12:15] <Nikerabbit>	Hero: at least now it is broken
[18:12:29] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: yes i was check it up
[18:12:33] <Nikerabbit>	but the virtual path should be different from the real path when using url rewrites
[18:12:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Monospace/preformatted text has gotten much smaller in Vector (code, tt, pre) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20706  summary (10brion)
[18:12:47] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: fixed that now
[18:12:48] <brion-meeting>	spelling fix in summary ;)
[18:13:40] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: can you explain me that. I didn't get it.
[18:14:07] <Nikerabbit>	rewrite wiki/Foo -> w/index.php?title=Foo
[18:14:24] <Nikerabbit>	not wiki/Foo to wiki/index.php?title=foo
[18:15:07] <Nikerabbit>	no idea about the logo though
[18:15:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a wiki for the Finnish chapter Wikimedia Suomi - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20502  (10str4nd)
[18:15:52] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: I am not good with url rewrite stuff. I can pastebin what I have if it helps
[18:16:02] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: rest all is working but for the logo.
[18:17:05] <Nikerabbit>	Hero: looks like the monobook skin is modified
[18:17:42] <Hero>	let me see then
[18:18:18] <Nikerabbit>	http://www.barcampmumbai.org/wiki/BCM5_Sessions?useskin=nostalgia links to something else
[18:18:25] <Nikerabbit>	mediawiki:mainpage is at least customised
[18:19:39] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: this is the main page as of now http://barcampmumbai.org/wiki/Main_Page
[18:19:53] <Hero>	yes it's different from what shows in Mediawiki:Mainpage
[18:21:50] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Have you seen http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56611 ?
[18:22:40] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: yes, monobook is modified. i see Monobook.old file in there
[18:24:45] <Hero>	Nikerabbit: thanks. the url is hardcoded in there. will change it
[18:36:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Option to hide legend in watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20728 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Watchlist; (cenarium.sysop)
[18:36:24] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56613 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialLanguageStats.php: Do not report on blacklisted groups in Special:LanguageStats
[18:49:45] <Emufarmers>	rararar Splarka
[18:49:49] <Emufarmers>	you're still up? o:
[18:49:59] *Emufarmers 	loads his tranquilizer gun
[18:50:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to hide legend in watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20728  +comment (10siebrand)
[18:53:07] <CIA-12>	03jeroendedauw * r56614 10/trunk/extensions/Maps/ (Maps.php ParserFunctions/Maps_ParserFunctions.php): Changes for 0.3.5
[18:53:14] <CIA-12>	03jeroendedauw * r56615 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMaps/SemanticMaps.php: Changes for 0.3.5
[19:10:40] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56616 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/ (4 files in 3 dirs): EditToolbar: (bug 20710) Scroll to text after replacing/inserting it
[19:11:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Insert Link : Cursor/Scroll bar shall be moved to inserted link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20710  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:15:24] <nonono>	:/ semantic wiki is somewhat like programming 
[19:17:33] <openbip>	Is there a way to control access (e.g. read-only) at the section-level of a page?
[19:17:46] <RoanKattouw>	openbip: There's a hack to do that
[19:17:59] <RoanKattouw>	Put the section in a template, protect the template
[19:18:11] <RoanKattouw>	That's not foolproof though
[19:18:36] <openbip>	RoanKattouw: Couldn't the user then remove the template-decl in the page, then?
[19:18:44] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[19:19:14] <AryehGregor>	openbip, you can't really prevent that, right.
[19:19:41] <AryehGregor>	Even if the section had to stay in the source, they could still do <div style="display:none"> or similar to hide it.
[19:20:21] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, you can hide a section without editing the section itself :)
[19:20:58] <openbip>	AryehGregor: A section-level of access-control would at least make intent clear ... and prevent most users from tampering, esp. accidentally
[19:21:30] <openbip>	AryehGregor: Totally take your point, but my users are neither techy nor malicious : )
[19:21:32] <AryehGregor>	True.  MediaWiki doesn't typically support that kind of "circumventable security" model.
[19:21:49] <AryehGregor>	The general advice would be to put a big comment in the section source saying "DON'T CHANGE THIS".
[19:22:03] <openbip>	Sounds good
[19:22:23] <AryehGregor>	It will stop anyone who's not trying to break the rules, and anyone who is can be reverted and (if necessary) blocked.
[19:23:04] <openbip>	Aye, I'll do that -- thanks : )
[19:26:08] <openbip>	Can I disable caching for only certain pages (e.g. for a specific namespace)?  I have some pages with dynamically-generated content via tag-extensions that I'd like to refresh every time, but others are static.
[19:27:16] <AryehGregor>	openbip, there are extensions to do something like that, I think.
[19:29:47] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Option to hide legend in watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20728  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:31:52] <Emufarmers>	How do I make a different option in a selection dropdown selected by default?
[19:36:16] <BryanTM>	is there a way to get a traceback after a php notice?
[19:36:36] <AryehGregor>	Emufarmers, the <option selected="selected">
[19:36:47] <AryehGregor>	BryanTM, insert debug_print_backtrace() manually?
[19:36:57] <BryanTM>	hmf
[19:37:26] <Bryan>	I was hoping for a config setting... but that should work as well
[19:42:03] <Emufarmers>	AryehGregor: hmm, not sure I have a clean way to do this, then. :(
[19:42:11] <AryehGregor>	Emufarmers, what are you trying to do?
[19:42:14] <Emufarmers>	Actually, ^demon's little extension might help...
[19:42:24] <Emufarmers>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19155
[19:43:56] <AryehGregor>	Emufarmers, what's the problem with fixing that?
[19:45:11] <Emufarmers>	Well, I suppose the most recent stable version would always be the second one...
[19:45:50] <Emufarmers>	Do I need to add in a counte, or is there a better way?
[19:45:54] <Emufarmers>	counter
[19:46:04] <Nikerabbit>	AryehGregor: when we can start migrating towards Html class?
[19:46:41] <AryehGregor>	Nikerabbit, several weeks ago?
[19:47:20] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[19:47:29] <Nikerabbit>	who broke diff display again: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=User:Siebrand/modern.css&curid=769364&diff=1497418&oldid=1059163
[19:48:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:50:11] <Nikerabbit>	AryehGregor: could we start with s/Xml::element/Html::element/ in the core? :o
[19:50:36] <AryehGregor>	Nikerabbit, I already did start.  Of course, don't do it for non-HTML stuff like RSS.
[19:51:22] <Nikerabbit>	AryehGregor: but it is going to be lots of commits if we do it one by one
[19:51:40] <AryehGregor>	So do it all at once, be my guest.
[19:53:35] <rchern>	one of my users is getting an error when signing in. http://tinyurl.com/mduqaa any suggestions?
[19:53:54] <cyberpear>	how can I get it so that index.php isn't part of wiki pages' urls?
[19:53:56] <pack>	anyone know of an extension to display the last n pages you visited on mediawiki? my users claim they are gettiing lost and won't use the what links here button.
[19:54:15] <ialex>	!e BreadCrumbs
[19:54:15] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs
[19:54:19] <Nikerabbit>	AryehGregor: but I don't know how to do it
[19:54:28] <Emufarmers>	!shorturl | cyberpear
[19:54:28] --mwbot--	cyberpear: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[19:54:46] <Emufarmers>	rchern: probably a mangled skin or extension
[19:54:54] <AryehGregor>	Nikerabbit, oh, you want a sed solution?  Like: sed -i 's/Xml::element/Html::element/g' files...
[19:55:10] <AryehGregor>	But you'd have to review the whole change carefully anyway.
[19:55:13] <pack>	ialex: you are the best. thank you.
[19:55:17] <rchern>	(:Emufarmers:) hmmm, wiki runs for everyone else that's tried.
[19:55:29] <AryehGregor>	It would likely break something somewhere for some reason, even if you exclude obvious stuff like RSS.
[19:55:39] <Nikerabbit>	something like what?
[19:55:40] <cyberpear>	thanks
[19:55:56] <AryehGregor>	If I knew, I could stop it from happening in advance, but sadly I don't.
[19:56:21] <Emufarmers>	rchern: that's because they're not doing whatever he's doing. ^_^
[19:57:07] <rchern>	um
[19:57:11] <rchern>	he's trying to login...
[19:57:19] <rchern>	so i'm gonna say everybody IS doing that (;
[19:58:43] <Emufarmers>	Well, since another person has now posted, presumably everybody's getting the error too.
[19:59:02] <rchern>	nah, it is just those 2
[19:59:26] <rchern>	the 2nd guy has had it since the wiki started, i've just ignored him >_>
[20:03:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[20:05:47] <malafaya>	can i make a {{subst:}} of an {{lcfirst}}?
[20:06:29] <jdpond>	rchern: any chance the user name has a space or other unusual character in it?
[20:06:56] <AryehGregor>	malafaya, should work, sure.
[20:08:18] <malafaya>	i tried a {{subst:lcfirst:{{PAGENAME}} }} but it doesn't produce what is intended
[20:09:36] <rchern>	for one person, "regular" username. for the other, they were trying to get to the page so they could create an account.
[20:10:40] <CIA-12>	03nikerabbit * r56617 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: Use Html:: functions
[20:17:06] <RoanKattouw>	malafaya: Try {{subst:lcfirst:{{subst:PAGENAME}}}}
[20:43:25] <CIA-12>	03btongminh * r56618 10/trunk/phase3/includes/upload/UploadBase.php: Set wpSourceType to file by default for backwards compatibility with user scripts.
[20:43:56] <Bryan>	that revision will unbreak reuploads on Commons
[20:44:08] <RoanKattouw>	brion: ---^^
[20:44:38] <malafaya>	merge?
[20:46:31] <brion>	RoanKattouw: can you provide a list of things to merge in a bit? i'm tidying up some other stuff right now
[20:46:37] <brion>	or else werdna can do it if free :D
[20:47:00] *AaronSchulz 	looks
[20:47:25] <AaronSchulz>	another upload rev needs synced too to fix fatals
[20:47:38] <Bryan>	which one?
[20:48:33] <Bryan>	I also have some other fixes pending, but nothing critical
[20:48:39] <RoanKattouw>	brion: http://pastey.net/125380
[20:48:52] <AaronSchulz>	Bryan: r56416
[20:49:30] <brion>	tx
[20:49:46] <RoanKattouw>	http://pastey.net/125381
[20:49:52] <RoanKattouw>	brion: ---^^
[20:51:18] <Bryan>	oh yeah that one
[20:51:54] <Bryan>	that function is crappy in general; I will take a look at it this weekend
[20:53:34] <t0lk>	i got Lucene-search working, the last step was to run ./lsearchd  - but i can't exit out of terminal or the service stops
[20:53:37] <t0lk>	any ideas? lol
[20:53:52] <Bryan>	I want to reimplement SpecialUpload in HTMLForm and allow users to customize them by editing a MediaWiki: message
[20:54:01] <Bryan>	that would eliminate all those crappy JS hacks we use on Commons
[20:58:45] <RoanKattouw>	t0lk: Use Ctrl+Z, then type "bg"
[20:58:51] <RoanKattouw>	Or "bg 1" maybe
[20:59:14] <t0lk>	ah
[20:59:16] <t0lk>	it's like magic!
[20:59:17] <t0lk>	thanks
[20:59:32] <t0lk>	bg worked
[20:59:36] <t0lk>	should i have done bg 1
[20:59:37] <t0lk>	?
[20:59:41] <flyingparchment>	no
[21:01:09] <t0lk>	ok, thanks :)
[21:02:44] <RoanKattouw>	WTF
[21:03:00] <RoanKattouw>	Google Chrome capitalizes the keycode in keydown events but not in keypress events
[21:03:16] <RoanKattouw>	And it seems to never throw keyup events, ever (or jQuery just doesn't catch them)
[21:03:39] <brion>	RoanKattouw: looking...
[21:05:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Watchlist message appearing without reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20531  +comment (10Teemeah.Wikiposta)
[21:05:56] <AaronSchulz>	Bryan: r56556 was merged, I assume that is need then
[21:06:37] <Bryan>	that one is merged & synced
[21:07:10] <Bryan>	*has been
[21:07:51] <Bryan>	freaky mixing of Dutch and English grammar gives quite a different meaning to a sentence :P
[21:07:57] <AaronSchulz>	good
[21:08:05] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56619 10/branches/wmf-deployment/includes/ (specials/SpecialUpload.php upload/UploadBase.php): 
[21:08:05] <CIA-12>	Merge upload fixes from trunk:
[21:08:05] <CIA-12>	r56416 Cleanup SpecialUpload::getExistsWarning which referenced some undeclared variables.
[21:08:05] <CIA-12>	r56618 Set wpSourceType to file by default for backwards compatibility with user scripts.
[21:08:26] <flyingparchment>	Bryan: "is" seems quite acceptable there
[21:08:30] <AaronSchulz>	brion: that's why is conflicted :)
[21:08:51] <Bryan>	flyingparchment: doesn't is imply that it is currently being "merged & synched" ?
[21:09:14] <Bryan>	instead of some time ago and finished?
[21:09:16] <flyingparchment>	Bryan: no.  a native speaker wouldn't say it, but "is [past tense verb]" suggests you meant 'was'
[21:09:22] <Nam>	hey guys, I have just set up media wiki on a box, and when I log in, instead of being redirected to the proper URL, I am getting redirected to the hostname....    so, instead of going to http://host.domain.net/wiki/...   I am getting redirected to http://host/wiki/
[21:09:29] <Nam>	how can I fix this?
[21:09:41] <Nam>	is this a parameter somewhere?
[21:09:46] <Bryan>	ah
[21:10:04] <Nam>	I notice that the URL redirect is happening with this code...    $wgOut->redirect( $titleObj->getFullURL() );
[21:10:36] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56620 10/branches/wmf-deployment/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryAllmessages.php): 
[21:10:36] <CIA-12>	Merge r56606: * API: (bug 20700) Add amprop=default to list default messages in
[21:10:36] <CIA-12>	list=allmessages. This adds default="defaultmessagecontent" or defaultmissing=""
[21:10:36] <CIA-12>	to customized messages; non-customized messages get no extra attribute.
[21:10:52] <RoanKattouw>	!wg ArticlePath | Nam
[21:10:52] --mwbot--	Nam: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgArticlePath
[21:12:35] <OverlordQ>	sure it's article path issue? sounds like it's coming up with a wrong $wgServerName
[21:12:54] <Nam>	ok, so $wgArticlePath="http://host.domain.net/wiki/$1";       should resolve it then?
[21:13:55] <Nam>	hmm... yea, OverlordQ yea looks like that may be the problem
[21:14:04] <Nam>	thanks, going to test now
[21:14:05] <werdna>	20:46 < brion> RoanKattouw: can you provide a list of things to merge in a bit? i'm tidying up some other stuff right now
[21:14:08] <werdna>	20:46 < brion> or else werdna can do it if free :D
[21:14:19] <werdna>	brion: I've merged everything that I think needs merging.
[21:14:23] <werdna>	roan might have some other stuff
[21:14:34] <werdna>	some people have committed stuff to wmf-deployment as merge requests
[21:18:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Watchlist message appearing without reason - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20531  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:19:37] <Emufarmers>	Bryan: "is fooed" and "was fooed" have been all mixed up at least dating back to Classical Latin.  I believe the distinction between the two began to emerge more in the middle ages, so it makes sense that some languages might not have picked it up.
[21:19:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Text Overlap - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20640  (10ngautam)
[21:22:15] <werdna>	brion: discussion of workflow and such on wikitech-l that might be worth weighing in on
[21:22:19] *Emufarmers 	crawls back under his rock.
[21:22:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10lupo.bugzilla)
[21:24:21] <Bryan>	hmmmmm
[21:24:37] <AryehGregor>	"that one is merged & synced" sounds like "merged" and "synced" are participles to me, not past tense.
[21:25:19] <Nam>	I've tried setting both wgArticlePath and wgServerName, and still the issue is occuring
[21:25:51] <Bryan>	that's what I thought
[21:26:00] <Bryan>	brb; rebooting firefox for firebug installation
[21:26:19] <Emufarmers>	AryehGregor: participles have tense.
[21:30:48] <AryehGregor>	Emufarmers, it still makes sense.  If it's a past participle or whatever.
[21:30:59] <AryehGregor>	"The cake is eaten" is perfectly grammatical.
[21:31:03] <Emufarmers>	Right
[21:31:12] <AryehGregor>	Means something a bit different from "The cake has been eaten", though.
[21:32:15] <malafaya>	"the cake is done" can have both meanings
[21:32:25] <malafaya>	"the cake is done with expertise" - now
[21:32:40] <RoanKattouw>	That's because "done" is also an adjective
[21:32:42] <malafaya>	"the cake is done and ready to be eaten" - done in past
[21:32:42] <Emufarmers>	Well, that's because "done" has become an adjective in of itself
[21:32:50] <malafaya>	right
[21:32:51] <Nam>	ah ha, setting $wgServer is what fixed it for me, thx anyways guys
[21:32:55] <malafaya>	just like merged and synced
[21:33:04] <RoanKattouw>	"The steak is done" --> done is the opposite of "raw" here
[21:33:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:33:24] <Emufarmers>	RoanKattouw: you probably want "well-done" for that
[21:33:34] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[21:33:39] <malafaya>	and can have it rare, thanks ;)
[21:33:50] <Emufarmers>	Otherwise, you're just saying that it's finished cooking.  Or finished being eaten, possibly. :D
[21:37:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  +comment (10lejonel)
[21:39:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:40:42] <Emufarmers>	AryehGregor: I guess I would describe "has been eaten" as a present perfect verb (which happens to be formed with a participle) and "is eaten" as a linking verb and a participle.
[21:40:55] <Emufarmers>	o: and speaking of Dutch
[21:41:05] <Emufarmers>	!hoi | GerardM-
[21:41:05] --mwbot--	GerardM-: I don't know anything about "hoi".
[21:42:37] <GerardM->	Hoi
[21:43:05] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56621 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/js/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:43:05] <CIA-12>	Suggestions plugin: (bug 20711) Arrow keys don't work in suggestions
[21:43:05] <CIA-12>	plugin in Chrome and possibly other browsers.
[21:43:05] <CIA-12>	It took me one hour to identify this one-character fix ^^
[21:43:09] <Emufarmers>	And that reminds me: I still haven't ordered any stroopwafels. :(
[21:43:23] <RoanKattouw>	WTF I Ctrl+Ced SVN, hoped that commit wouldn't come through
[21:44:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Reverse search options on RTL wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20729 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: MWSearch; (meno25wiki)
[21:45:04] <CIA-12>	03catrope * r56622 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/UsabilityInitiative.hooks.php: 
[21:45:04] <CIA-12>	...and style versions for r56621. Apparently pressing Ctrl+C during svn
[21:45:04] <CIA-12>	commit doesn't help
[21:45:37] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Please merge r56621 and r56622, it's a one-character change plus combining&minifying&styleversions
[21:48:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Internal links:Cannot select a page from list using arrow keys using Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20711  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:48:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to hide legend in watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20728  +comment (10wiki.warx)
[21:49:55] <brion>	RoanKattouw: spiffy
[21:50:24] <CIA-12>	03raymond * r56623 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:50:24] <CIA-12>	Add $wgRCMaxAge to the message 'activeusers-count' because people are asking "how long is 'recent'?"
[21:50:24] <CIA-12>	FormatNum/CommaList for some expressions
[21:50:24] <CIA-12>	Simplify getPageHeader(), use more Xml/Html::functions.
[21:50:39] <RoanKattouw>	brion: That fix took me an hour. I feel kinda stupid right now
[21:50:49] <brion>	:D
[21:51:07] <werdna>	yay?
[21:52:08] <brion>	Conflict discovered in 'UsabilityInitiative/js/plugins.combined.js'.
[21:52:12] <brion>	why am i not surprised :)
[21:52:17] <brion>	RoanKattouw: you want to do the merge yourself?
[21:53:00] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Sure
[21:53:04] <brion>	tx
[21:54:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fix URL path of MediaWiki repository on Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20730 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (meno25wiki)
[21:55:52] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Fix URL path of MediaWiki repository on Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20730  +comment (10brion)
[21:57:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix URL path of MediaWiki repository on Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20730  (10meno25wiki)
[21:58:12] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Oh wait, that code is disabled on WMF ^^
[21:58:14] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Fix URL path of MediaWiki repository on Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20730  (10meno25wiki)
[21:59:01] <RoanKattouw>	brion: ... so it doesn't need to be merged, nm
[21:59:49] <brion>	heh
[22:00:09] <GerardM->	Brion any clue as to when LocalisationUpdate goes live ?
[22:00:32] <brion>	GerardM-: monday if nothing explodes :D
[22:00:41] <GerardM->	Ok
[22:00:47] <brion>	we're putting together a list of things to turn on now that we've sorted out the base update stuff: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/DeploymentList
[22:01:21] <Raymond_afk>	brion: what about image moving?
[22:02:01] <werdna>	LiquidThreads :)
[22:02:21] <RoanKattouw>	wikitech is sloooow
[22:02:27] <CIA-12>	03nimishg * r56624 10/trunk/phase3/skins/vector/ (main-ltr.css main-rtl.css): Fixes bug #20698, unnecessary space in divs and JS messages
[22:02:29] <brion>	yeah, yeah we know
[22:02:59] <CIA-12>	03ialex * r56625 10/trunk/extensions/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
[22:02:59] <CIA-12>	Fixes to MassEditRegex:
[22:02:59] <CIA-12>	* Merged the two classes in MassEditRegex.class.php into one
[22:02:59] <CIA-12>	* Use $wgOut->addWikiMsg() where possible
[22:02:59] <CIA-12>	* Renamed messages to be prefixed with "masseditregex-" to avoid conflicts
[22:03:01] <CIA-12>	* Added the extension to Translate
[22:03:03] <CIA-12>	* svn:eol-style native
[22:04:01] <GerardM->	Brion it says "at least 24-hour update cycle" I would argue for less then that ... every 6 hours would be my favourit
[22:05:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Weird font sizes in jsMsg and line-heights on <div> wrapped content on vector - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20698  +comment (10ngautam)
[22:06:36] <Raymond_afk>	thanks for adding :)
[22:14:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CSS fix for Extension:FlaggedRevs (RTL wikis) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20731 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (meno25wiki)
[22:17:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS fix for Extension:FlaggedRevs (RTL wikis) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20731  (10meno25wiki)
[22:32:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10lejonel)
[22:35:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change script loading order back (for gadget scripts) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720  +comment (10brion)
[22:36:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTML tidy doesn't work for 404 pages like it does for existing pages (doesn't add missing closing tags anymore e.g.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20714  (10brion)
[22:36:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709  (10brion)
[22:37:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "keyText is undefined" error in wikibits.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20708  +comment (10brion)
[22:47:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) XML schema not updated, current MediaWiki dumps are not valid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20064  (10tfinc)
[22:50:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10webmelos)
[22:50:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Usergroup "uploader" is not empty on all wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20732 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (meno25wiki)
[22:59:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) img_auth.php URL is wrong for private wikis on secure server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20733 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (agarrett)
[23:01:59] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56626 10/trunk/phase3/ (32 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-18 22:12 UTC)
[23:06:42] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56627 10/trunk/extensions/ (87 files in 77 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-18 22:12 UTC)
[23:11:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "keyText is undefined" error in wikibits.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20708  (10ngautam)
[23:16:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10ss755)
[23:32:50] <Duduman>	What's wrong with http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:3924801172_be42635226.jpg why isn't the thumbnail generated?
[23:34:14] <atglenn>	no frigging idea
[23:34:18] <atglenn>	this is the second report
[23:34:52] <Duduman>	It works for the lower res image though
[23:35:27] <Duduman>	Maybe caching just takes a lot of time...
[23:35:47] <atglenn>	no
[23:36:30] <Duduman>	so this would be a bug...
[23:37:41] <Xenum>	Hello. How do I reset the new password reset timer for a specific user please?
[23:38:03] <Xenum>	@}--,--`---[[ chalcedony ]]---.--`--{@
[23:43:09] <atglenn>	it's not a caching issue
[23:43:13] <atglenn>	but I can't find it quickly
[23:43:55] <atglenn>	it's vaguely possible it's just the size of the image
[23:44:00] <atglenn>	but I would have to test that
[23:44:17] <atglenn>	can't find anything in the frigging logs
[23:44:21] <atglenn>	(it's been one of those days)
[23:48:33] <CIA-12>	03nimishg * r56628 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/wikibits.js: fixes bug #20708, where tables containing colspans greater than 1 are still sortable by the last column
[23:49:16] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "keyText is undefined" error in wikibits.js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20708  +comment (10ngautam)
[23:53:57] <Annemarie>	!r 56628
[23:53:57] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56628