[00:01:56] <nononono>	I dont have shell access
[00:14:33] <nononono>	trying to reset in mysql, but even after saying "executed in 0.0001 seconds" the pass still didnt change
[00:15:01] <cirwin>	you presumably know that you need to hash the value that goes into the table
[00:55:51] <mitya>	Good day, everybody. I need some help. I have some questions about article premoderation on MediaWiki based site.
[00:56:06] <mitya>	Please, can anybody help me&
[00:56:10] <mitya>	?
[01:04:31] <cirwin>	!flaggedrevs
[01:04:31] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[01:04:39] <cirwin>	mitya: 
[01:12:26] <mitya>	cirwin: thank you, i will look at it.
[01:38:27] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, I'm going through interwiki.sql.  Should I just remove sites that are dead, or should I also remove stupid ones?
[01:39:14] <svip>	What would {{{{{a}}}}} be parsed as?  Parameter {{a}} (i.e. the contents of Template:A) or template {{{a}}} (i.e. Template:{{{a}}})?
[01:40:20] <cirwin>	{{ {{{ }}} }}
[01:43:30] <Emufarmers>	And where's that list of MediaWiki installations that has their versions?
[02:22:26] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56659 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php flaggedrevs.css): bug 20731: RTL tweaks
[02:27:04] <nononono>	uhmm... installed recaptcha but, it shows up in the register new acc page, but it doesn't show to guests creating pages
[02:33:07] <nononono>	ah... its the default behavior, only shows recaptcha if the text contains urls
[02:38:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:MyPage/monobook.js does not render in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4801  summary; +comment (10heldergeovane)
[02:42:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Possibility to link to particular section of [[Special:Preferences]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013  low->normal (10heldergeovane)
[02:51:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show sequential user edit diffs as single compiled-diff link in change log/history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19247  +comment (10heldergeovane)
[03:14:51] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56660 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: prefill notes when reviewing a reviewed rev like the tags already do
[03:16:53] *AaronSchulz 	just heard of the christian/newsom murders
[03:17:04] <apergos>	the whats?
[03:17:30] <AaronSchulz>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom
[03:18:28] <apergos>	ugh
[03:22:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) FlaggedRevs note box (form) should contain current notes, to be easily changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20722  (10JSchulz_4587)
[03:27:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) FlaggedRevs note box (form) should contain current notes, to be easily changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20722  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[04:03:41] <rAWjAW>	Quick question... I have mediawiki set up with shortURLs and want to have like two mediawikis without actually having two, would it be bad to name everypage with something like wiki2/testing ?
[04:10:49] <rum>	is there any wikimedia script to place a box around a frame of text?
[04:12:10] <rum>	found answer: http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3489
[04:19:50] <rum>	hey, i am trying to place a box around a frame of text without using a template, is that possible?
[04:21:16] <rum>	got it
[04:21:28] <rum>	<div style="border:1px solid red;"> test </div>
[04:25:51] <Janjouna>	Greetings, I have imported frwiki and everything works fine except for category links on the main page. Any idea on how to fix that?
[05:22:05] <univ>	does wikipedia itself use anything from the semantic mediawiki extensions?
[05:22:15] <Mike_lifeguard>	No.
[05:22:33] <univ>	how mature is their project? i mean is it ever going to?
[05:22:36] <Splarka>	semantic mediawiki is powered by the tears of site ops
[05:23:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	and the blood of server kittehs
[05:23:18] <univ>	it seems like a great idea but might be too complicated to get people to re-mark up the articles
[05:23:34] <Splarka>	there are people who think it should (and some who think it is inevitable)
[05:23:55] <Splarka>	and it is in SVN now, which is a good thing (tm)
[05:26:18] <apergos>	we need some server hamsters
[05:26:26] <Splarka>	dancing?
[05:26:27] <apergos>	no one would care if a few of them were sacrificed
[05:26:35] <p858snake>	we have one, we called it werdna
[05:26:40] <Splarka>	oh apergos, you like messing with images don'tcha
[05:26:47] <apergos>	I happen to know that he's not a hamster :-P
[05:26:58] <apergos>	er... "like" is a strong word
[05:27:13] <apergos>	I keep track of that stuff though
[05:27:31] <Splarka>	like == hate less than any other shell/op at wmf
[05:27:40] <apergos>	oh. no, 
[05:27:47] <Splarka>	damn
[05:27:53] <apergos>	I just took it on anyways
[05:27:59] <p858snake>	who be the postmaster on the mediawiki mailing list thesedays, cause that "job queue" thread seems to have broken down into racist remarks
[05:35:11] <apergos>	it looks like that thread might have ended (I certainly hope so)
[05:39:20] <p858snake>	someone probably has already banned them from the list but theres no way for a mere mortel like myself to check
[05:39:39] <apergos>	maybe I can find that out
[05:42:41] <apergos>	no, they are still on it
[05:42:57] <apergos>	just quiet.
[06:50:11] <domas>	mediawiki is fantastic
[06:50:11] <domas>	GRANT /* DatabaseBase::sourceStream  */ * ON `wikidb`.*
[06:50:11] <domas>	 TO 'wikiuser'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'a'
[06:57:54] <domas>	emufarmers: wake up? :)
[06:58:26] <p858snake>	that was done so we didn't need the admin settings file or something
[06:58:32] <p858snake>	*or whatever it was called
[06:59:48] <domas>	there are five different problems in that one
[07:00:19] <domas>	but of course, the major one is that syntax simply doesn't exist
[07:00:49] <domas>	thats the new quality of mediawiki development
[07:01:10] <domas>	add crap that breaks everything, and not noticing it for days! :)
[07:01:38] <Emufarmers>	domas: hi o:
[07:02:04] <Emufarmers>	What'd I mess up?
[07:02:09] <domas>	installer?
[07:02:51] <domas>	it doesn't... install anymore?
[07:03:10] <Emufarmers>	Simetrical tricked me. :v
[07:03:36] <p858snake>	domas: B# 14201 and R# 56323 are what your looking for i believe
[07:03:36] <domas>	show me the log
[07:03:51] <Emufarmers>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56285#c4024
[07:03:53] <domas>	p898snake: do I look an idiot?
[07:04:37] <domas>	emufarmers: show me the log where simetrical tricked you:)
[07:04:52] <Emufarmers>	^
[07:05:05] <domas>	ah
[07:05:11] <domas>	thought you were linking to my comment
[07:05:18] <domas>	p898snake: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56323#c4090 
[07:05:35] <Emufarmers>	He said to grant *, so I assumed granting * would work
[07:05:40] <domas>	lol
[07:05:46] <domas>	he said that just to type less
[07:05:55] <Emufarmers>	I guess. :)
[07:06:38] <Emufarmers>	Though I never though of him as one to try to save two letters, heh
[07:07:04] <Emufarmers>	ALL will work?
[07:07:08] <domas>	probably
[07:07:11] <domas>	ALL PRIVILEGES is nicer
[07:07:13] <domas>	anyway
[07:07:16] <domas>	shame on you for not testing this
[07:07:20] <domas>	not on Simetrical
[07:07:37] <Emufarmers>	Yes, I was joking; I know it's my fault
[07:07:41] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Deleted_Articles
[07:07:50] <Splarka>	"ASAP" *giggle*
[07:08:32] <p858snake>	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/grant.html
[07:09:19] *domas 	giggles at the next VPT post
[07:10:14] <Splarka>	yah, he NEEDS that font on his user page
[07:10:29] <Splarka>	and CharlotteWeb tring to hack tidy
[07:11:56] <domas>	meh, @% grants suck
[07:11:59] <domas>	a lot
[07:12:04] <domas>	people who keep them are idiots
[07:12:05] <domas>	:)
[07:12:08] <domas>	on the other hand
[07:12:16] <domas>	that probably makes 99% of users
[07:12:34] <domas>	glad by default mysql binds on 127.0.0.1 on few distros
[07:15:32] <CIA-12>	03emufarmers * r56661 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/users.sql: Follow up to r56323: fix the broken grant syntax (which I should have tested before committing).
[07:16:54] <Emufarmers>	Now that armageddon has been averted, perhaps I can get some sleep.
[07:17:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  +comment (10chandrew1119)
[07:18:52] <Alphos>	Emufarmers : when is it due ?
[07:19:13] <Alphos>	(or was it, rather :p )
[07:19:53] <Splarka>	Armageddon is a place
[07:20:11] <Splarka>	so the proper question is said from the back seat of a crowded minivan "Are we there yet?"
[07:20:56] <Alphos>	XD
[07:21:14] *Alphos 	just had a vision of donkey in shrek 2 :D
[07:25:24] <Nikerabbit>	morning
[07:27:37] <Alphos>	hi nickzxcv
[07:27:42] <Alphos>	* Nikerabbit
[07:32:49] <rum>	hello, is there anyway in wikipedia to have a table of contents which moves as the page moves down?
[07:33:27] <avar>	siebrand: pong
[07:34:10] <Alphos>	rum : css with "position: absolute;" or something like that
[07:34:32] <rum>	thank you
[07:34:34] <rum>	i found this:
[07:34:35] <rum>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Neurolysis/No&action=edit
[07:34:42] <rum>	thanks alphos
[07:35:15] <Alphos>	meh... i still dislike css >_>
[07:36:41] *Splarka 	hands Alphos a bag of <font> and <bigger>
[07:36:47] <Alphos>	>_<
[07:37:28] <Alphos>	that's even worse than css >_<
[07:39:00] <Splarka>	oooh, are you a proponent of plain text web?
[07:39:08] *Splarka 	agrees with that
[07:40:05] <Nikerabbit>	hi avar
[07:42:29] <avar>	Nikerabbit: So evidently you have some bugs in the yaml in<->out stuff?
[07:42:37] <avar>	Nikerabbit: Does it strip whitespace because mediawiki does thaht?
[08:02:36] <Nikerabbit>	avar: no, mediawiki does that
[08:08:32] <avar>	how do translations solve that? &nbsp; ?
[08:13:48] <Nikerabbit>	avar: be enforcing that those are not needed in the first place
[08:17:22] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special:Contributions filtering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16682  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:17:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow filtering user contributions by flags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14086  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:24:58] *avar 	stabs google chrome
[08:25:17] <avar>	When you enter any url, including "http://localhost" it just searches for that on google
[08:25:30] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[08:29:49] <Splarka>	"the merging of the address bar and search bar", heh
[08:30:57] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) redirect-only messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10990  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:30:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect Pages which have extra Text have them placed on top of Article they redirect to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2012  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:31:20] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Redirect pages should render all text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14323  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:31:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow header content on redirect pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13595  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:31:33] <Splarka>	deep dupe snoop?
[08:31:35] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Distinguish links to redirect pages on list of transcluded pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8888  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:31:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect Pages which have extra Text have them placed on top of Article they redirect to - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2012  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:31:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function to detect redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2012  summary (10innocentkiller)
[08:32:17] <^demon>	^ That is now the universal "need to detect if a page is a redirect in wikitext" bug
[08:32:48] <Splarka>	hey demon: fix that bug whereby all links on a redirect page's text are registered as redirect targets
[08:32:51] <Splarka>	that's a fun one
[08:33:08] *^demon 	passes
[08:33:23] <^demon>	I feel like bug 20740 is a dupe of something
[08:34:09] <Splarka>	avar: http://lifehacker.com/assets/images/lifehacker/2008/09/suggestion-chrome.png
[08:35:41] <avar>	Splarka: the dev release for linux doesn't have that
[08:35:55] <Splarka>	ew, nice
[08:36:21] <Nikerabbit>	out ->
[08:37:33] <Splarka>	^demon: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2971
[08:39:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Titles containing NBSP are inaccessible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20738  (10huji.huji)
[08:40:50] <Splarka>	damn, I didn't see that one
[08:41:19] *Splarka 	ponders duping that one up, since his has better titles and information
[08:41:39] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) order of (diff) (hist) links is inverted on special:contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20740  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:41:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) (diff) & (hist) location on RC/Cont/Watch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2971  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:42:33] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Titles containing NBSP are inaccessible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20738  +comment (10herd)
[08:42:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741  +comment (10herd)
[08:47:26] <CIA-12>	03demon * r56662 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES config/Installer.php): Installer spewing warnings due to disable_functions
[08:47:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Installer spewing warnings due to disable_functions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16902  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[08:49:19] <avar>	Nikerabbit: Some of those whitespaces are redundant but generally speaking if you want to support a wide variety of applications on translatewiki you're going to have to support trailing whitespace. Lots of programs use it.
[08:49:41] <avar>	Nikerabbit: How are you doing the import? IIRC it's editpage that strips trailing whitespace
[08:56:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741  major->04CRIT;  +code-update-regression; +comment (10vasilvv)
[08:59:56] <Splarka>	vvv: they heeded not your advice in the commit! >_<
[09:00:15] <Splarka>	also I talked to apergos about it, he didn't wanna risk it himself, he'll bug someone monday
[09:00:34] <vvv>	Splarka: it was not my advice
[09:02:03] <Splarka>	oh, bah, it was ilmari wasn't it
[09:19:24] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) (diff) & (hist) location on RC/Cont/Watch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2971  (10raimond.spekking)
[09:27:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix URL path of MediaWiki repository on Special:Version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20730  +comment (10huji.huji)
[09:31:52] <werdna>	07:34 < Alphos> rum : css with "position: absolute;" or something like that
[09:31:57] <werdna>	you mean position: fixed :)
[09:51:05] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Can not enter my user name, which is a mixture of capital/lower case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20743 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (mihael.tomsic)
[10:10:56] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56663 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/OpenStreetMap.yml: Update ignored list for osm
[10:28:56] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56664 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesArc.php MessagesKw.php): Localisation updates for core namespaces from translatewiki.net
[10:32:05] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56665 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (5 files): Localisation updates for special page aliases from translatewiki.net
[10:36:15] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56666 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesArc.php MessagesFrp.php MessagesJa.php): Localisation updates for core magic words from translatewiki.net
[10:43:43] <Danny_B>	huh, who and why removed the type attribute from <script> tags?
[10:45:24] <roberthl>	it is not required in HTML 5
[10:45:38] <roberthl>	presumably one of AryehGregor's changes
[10:45:54] <roberthl>	it should however still be present when XHTML is used
[10:47:13] <Danny_B>	definitely
[10:47:31] <Splarka>	he knows, he'll fix
[10:48:28] <Splarka>	he wasn't expecting WMF to immediately switch off html5 after scap
[10:48:52] <roberthl>	uhm
[10:49:01] <roberthl>	oh right
[10:49:01] <Splarka>	<AryehGregor> Should be easily fixable.
[10:49:16] <Splarka>	there is an open bug about it I believe
[10:49:42] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20713
[10:49:48] *Danny_B 	is a bit frustrated by this kind of "forward compatible" changes which break validity of current code.
[10:49:48] <Danny_B>	such changes shouldn't be done ahead. besides not required doesn't mean not allowed, so i don't see any reason why it couldn't simply stay there for easier conversion to xhtml-based dtd's
[10:50:32] <Splarka>	oop, "Fixed"
[10:51:11] <Splarka>	Danny: presumably to save bytes, heh
[10:51:27] <roberthl>	what purpose does the script type attribute actually have?
[10:51:28] *Danny_B 	supports switching to html5 (actualy to its xml representation) but a bit later - after it's wider supported
[10:51:49] <Danny_B>	roberthl: you can use different script engines in one document
[10:51:54] <werdna>	Danny_B: the whole point of HTML5 is to drop back to what's supported, rather than some stupid, overly-restrictive representation.
[10:52:16] <roberthl>	Danny_B: I wasn't aware MediaWiki used anything other than JavaScript though.
[10:52:42] <Danny_B>	roberthl: nobody said that. you asked about the purpose of that attribute
[10:52:57] <roberthl>	ok
[10:53:10] <roberthl>	but in the context of MediaWiki it doesn't seem to have a purpose
[10:53:19] <Splarka>	roberthl: as it is still on xhtml, it should generate xhtml
[10:53:32] <roberthl>	sure, i'm not disputing that
[10:53:49] <Danny_B>	werdna: no doubt. however being not strict brought us to the random-rendering-miserability we are experiencing in last many years. :-(
[10:53:59] <Splarka>	in the context of mediawiki in xhtml mode, it has a purpose: to return valid xhtml
[10:54:30] <Splarka>	(heh, IDs starting with numbers... another fun topic)
[10:54:37] <Danny_B>	correct
[10:55:26] *Danny_B 	strongly hopes mw will use xml representation of html5
[10:55:46] *Splarka 	points Danny at Simetrical
[10:56:09] <Danny_B>	i know, we spoke about that couple times
[10:56:49] <Danny_B>	seems i kinda missed some discussion about wmf decided to switch mw to html5 though :-/, can anybody point me to such place, please? thx
[10:58:06] <Splarka>	Danny_B: there wasn't much
[10:58:21] <Splarka>	Simetrical made it default in 1.16, so it was enabled on the last scap
[10:58:38] <Splarka>	soon after, brion disabled it in wmf's config due to some problems
[10:59:14] <werdna>	Danny_B: why XML?
[10:59:15] <Danny_B>	huh, how can one person do such a essential and one of the majorest changes alone without any thorough discussion?
[10:59:28] <werdna>	Danny_B: it was discussed on wikitech-l at length
[10:59:29] <Splarka>	they didn't, it was turned off ^_^
[10:59:34] <Danny_B>	werdna: reusability
[10:59:36] <Splarka>	ew, mailing lists don't count
[10:59:41] *Splarka 	giggles
[10:59:44] <werdna>	Danny_B: single words don't count as arguments
[11:00:13] <Splarka>	"that's just contradiction!" "no it isn't!" "yes it is!"
[11:01:31] <Danny_B>	werdna: come on, don't tell me you don't know what does that word mean... so in wider: you can't use any xslt on non xml document thus you're loosing one of the biggest way how to reuse the content
[11:01:52] <Danny_B>	werdna: now you - why not xml?
[11:02:24] <roberthl>	the regular interface is not designed for reusability, that's what the api is for
[11:04:25] <roberthl>	(there is no reason anyone should be using xslt on anything served via index.php, and the api provides an xml interface that you could use xslt on)
[11:04:57] <Danny_B>	roberthl: and? if api will return you the content in html and not in x(ht)ml, you can't do so much with it. also think about extensions etc...
[11:05:37] <Danny_B>	roberthl: you can not use xslt on rendered page content if it's not rendered xml-compliant
[11:05:45] <roberthl>	ok, fair point
[11:05:59] <Danny_B>	thanks
[11:06:01] <roberthl>	perhaps it would be ideal for the api to serve parsed content as xml
[11:06:16] <roberthl>	but, what are we thinking about extensions?
[11:06:28] <werdna>	Danny_B: I don't have any particular attachment to non-XML output, except perhaps saving a few bytes and having a more flexible markup.
[11:06:47] <Danny_B>	well, honestly i actually never noticed any argument against xml usage
[11:07:53] <roberthl>	what is the current status of outputting xml content with a non-xml content-type? i don't recall if that is permitted or not in (X)HTML 5
[11:07:58] <Danny_B>	werdna: saving bytes had a sense in 90's with dial-ups. re the more flexible markup - what you can do in html and not in xhtml?
[11:09:28] <roberthl>	at one point it was the case that anything output in XHTML should be served with an XML header to be valid and that meant that browsers should abort rendering on fatal errors and that pages could not be rendered at all in IE
[11:09:29] *Danny_B 	repeats, that he doesn't defend xhtml1 and supports switch from xhtml1 to html5, but to its xml representation
[11:09:47] <roberthl>	so, html with trailing slashes?
[11:11:17] *roberthl 	sees no reason not to as it is perfectly valid.
[11:11:46] <Danny_B>	roberthl: in html you can write eg. <p>foo
[11:11:59] <Danny_B>	in xhtml you must end it with </p>
[11:12:07] <Danny_B>	so it's not only about trailing slashes
[11:12:15] <Splarka>	no matter what you do, there will be a browser that just sees http://www.accessibility.nl/files/images/tag-soup2-035.jpg wrong, imagine that
[11:12:47] <Danny_B>	unfortunately xhtml2, which had a bunch of good ideas, never got a chance because of laziness of people and complete lack of discipline of 90 % of users/developers :-/
[11:13:10] <Danny_B>	Splarka: nice one
[11:13:19] <roberthl>	surely everyone knew that IE was never going to support XHTML?
[11:14:06] <werdna>	Danny_B: As I understand it, you can do weird nesting things with HTML but not XML
[11:14:09] <werdna>	of course I may be wrong
[11:14:25] <werdna>	like <b><i>Lol hi </b> guys</i>
[11:14:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10francois.alloing)
[11:16:28] <Danny_B>	werdna: that's invalid and the fact, browsers render it *somehow*, doesn't support anything. if from the very beginning every browser followed one of the basic (x)html rules - do not render invalid content - and did not try to guess what stupid lazy webdeveloper meant, we would be miles further than today :-/
[11:16:54] <p858snake>	only the older html versions were ment to support that afaik, html3 and newser were ment to be stricter about that iirc but no one did it
[11:37:11] <Danny_B>	hmm, is there any way, how to get the output of <tag> to {{#ifeq:}} or {{#iferror:}} condition?
[11:37:34] <avar>	 3755 avar      20   0 23984  11m 3208 D   29  0.6   0:09.70 svn up
[11:37:39] *avar 	stabs SVN
[11:45:13] <Splarka>	Danny_B: #tag:tagname
[11:45:19] <Splarka>	sort of
[11:45:51] <Splarka>	(actually, depends on what it puts out... hmm, that's more for putting parser functions into tags)
[11:47:10] <Danny_B>	Splarka: i tried {{#tag:}} but with no luck :-/
[11:48:11] <Danny_B>	just to clarify, i need something like {{#ifeq:<tag>param=value</tag>|something|yes|no}}
[11:48:57] <Danny_B>	actually {{#iferror:<tag>param=value</tag>|yes|no}} should be enough for my purposes
[11:49:45] <Splarka>	okay, I think ya can't do that because all the parser function will see are the strip markers
[11:50:42] <Splarka>	compare:  {{#ifeq:<b>a</b>|<b>a</b>|yes|no}}  {{#ifeq:<pre>foo</pre>|<pre>foo</pre>|yes|no}}
[11:51:05] <Splarka>	<b> is a whitelisted html-style tag, while <pre> is a parser extension tag
[11:51:10] <Danny_B>	sure
[11:51:27] <Danny_B>	hmm, so there's apparently no way, how to test tags on errors :-/
[11:52:00] <Splarka>	they need to bypass the parser because they can output stuff that isn't legal wikicode
[11:52:12] <Splarka>	or, like <pre>, would be recursive
[11:52:14] <Splarka>	or something
[11:52:46] <Danny_B>	hmm, so if i need the readable output, i need to add the {{#tagname:}} support to such extension
[11:53:28] <Danny_B>	so it would be able to use both say <imagemap>foo=bar</imagemap> and {{#imagemap:foo=bar}}
[11:54:48] <Splarka>	heh
[11:54:56] <Splarka>	<b>a</b> <b>a</b> <pre>foo</pre> <pre>foo</pre> {{Special:Newpages/limit=5,offset=10000,shownav}}
[11:55:04] <Splarka>	<p><b>a</b> <b>a</b> UNIQ61a9057673ccb5bf-pre-00000007-QINU UNIQ61a9057673ccb5bf-pre-00000008-QINU
[11:55:20] <Splarka>	since strip markers are unique they never compare true (hopefully)
[11:55:39] <Splarka>	(that newpage thing is just a bug to expose strip markers)
[11:55:58] <Splarka>	and I am not sure if #imagemap would be useful to you...
[11:56:36] <Splarka>	all parserfunctions must return valid wikicode IIRC, as they are part of the recursive template expansion
[11:56:50] <Splarka>	what #tag:foo does is return <foo>
[11:57:37] <Splarka>	you can't parse with a parserfunction what <imagemap> does because it returns a complex usemap map, or something
[11:58:43] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56667 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/OpenStreetMap/OpenStreetMap.yml: Fix code mapping
[11:59:48] <Danny_B>	i've seen somebody expanded some wmf-wiki-used extension fro<tagname> to both <tagname> & {{#tagname:}} support
[12:00:30] <Splarka>	what that does is allow parser functions, variables, and template parameters on the inside
[12:00:47] <Splarka>	like <pre>{{{1}}}</pre> vs {{#tag:pre|{{{1}}}}}
[12:19:18] <Happy-melon>	werdna: I want to use HTMLForm to output something like a birthdate selector, as three separate selects all in one table cell for day/month/year
[12:19:23] <Happy-melon>	is there a pretty way to do that?
[12:19:26] <Happy-melon>	doesn't look like it
[12:49:49] <CIA-12>	03avar * r56668 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/FFS.php: Add YamlSyckFFS: A class which shells out to Perl's YAML::Syck. Added because Spyc is crap
[12:50:16] <avar>	yay teh syntax error
[12:50:17] *avar 	fixes
[12:51:21] <CIA-12>	03avar * r56669 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/FFS.php: fixed syntax error: php interpolates {} in strings
[13:06:46] <media>	Hello
[13:08:50] <media>	I am using the <PRE> html tag in a mediawiki page and want to bold some of the words,
[13:08:51] <media>	<pre>root@server [~]# /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -l
[13:08:51] <media>	  Compiled-in modules:
[13:08:51] <media>	  '''http_core.c'''
[13:08:51] <media>	  mod_env.c
[13:08:51] <media>	  mod_log_config.c
[13:08:53] <media>	  mod_mime.c
[13:08:55] <media>	  mod_negotiation.c
[13:08:57] <media>	  mod_status.c
[13:08:59] <media>	  mod_info.c
[13:09:01] <media>	  mod_include.c
[13:09:03] <media>	  mod_autoindex.c
[13:09:05] <media>	  mod_dir.c
[13:09:07] <media>	  mod_cgi.c
[13:09:09] <media>	  mod_asis.c
[13:09:11] <media>	  mod_imap.c
[13:09:13] <media>	  mod_actions.c
[13:09:19] <media>	  mod_userdir.c
[13:09:19] <media>	  mod_alias.c
[13:09:19] <media>	  mod_rewrite.c
[13:09:21] <media>	  mod_access.c
[13:09:23] <media>	  mod_auth.c
[13:09:25] <media>	  mod_proxy.c
[13:09:27] <media>	  mod_expires.c
[13:09:29] <media>	  mod_headers.c
[13:09:31] <media>	  mod_unique_id.c
[13:09:33] <media>	  '''mod_so.c'''
[13:09:35] <media>	  mod_setenvif.c
[13:10:39] <Splarka>	heh
[13:11:20] <media>	Hello
[13:11:43] <media>	Can anyone tell me how to bold a particular word in the text ?
[13:12:00] <^demon>	'''bold'''
[13:12:08] <Splarka>	<pre> skips all wikicode parsing
[13:12:19] <Splarka>	you can use a syntax hilighter but that won't help you customize it
[13:12:47] <media>	Is there anyway wherein I can use the <pre> tag + '''bold''' ?
[13:12:48] <Splarka>	if you want to control the output, you have to take control of the input
[13:13:03] <Splarka>	<pre> is for lazy people
[13:13:32] <media>	          root@server [~]# /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -l   
[13:13:32] <media>	          Compiled-in modules:   
[13:13:32] <media>	          '''http_core.c''' 
[13:13:33] <Splarka>	<div style="padding: 1em;border: 1px dashed #2f6fab;color: black;background-color: #f9f9f9;line-height: 1.1em;font-family:monospace;"></div>
[13:13:57] <media>	Its displaying like aove when I use <pre> + '''bold'''
[13:14:13] <Splarka>	no shit
[13:14:28] <Splarka>	you can't use wiki markup in <pre>, that is the point of <pre> in wikicode
[13:14:41] <Splarka>	it escapes everything so you can put anything in it (except </pre>)
[13:14:56] <Splarka>	if you want that output, do something like: <div style="padding: 1em;border: 1px dashed #2f6fab;color: black;background-color: #f9f9f9;line-height: 1.1em;font-family:monospace;">root@server [~]# /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd -l<br />Compiled-in modules:<br />'''http_core.c'''<br />mod_env.c<br />mod_log_config.c<br />mod_mime.c<br /></div>
[13:15:10] <media>	checking
[13:15:38] <Splarka>	"but I don't want to have to enter <br/> manually" "that's the price of using <pre>"
[13:15:50] <media>	Thanks Splarka. It worked :) :)
[13:15:57] <Splarka>	"can't I use 'white-space:pre' instead of <br/>" "yes, but not with Tidy"
[13:16:03] *Splarka 	heads off more questions
[13:19:18] <Splarka>	media: you can use <br/> manually and it lets you bold things, or you can use <pre> and you don't get bold
[13:19:34] <Splarka>	please stop spamming me in privmsg, I get the fucking point
[13:19:52] <Splarka>	you /might/ be able to do this without BR: <div style="padding: 1em;border: 1px dashed #2f6fab;color: black;background-color: #f9f9f9;line-height: 1.1em;font-family:monospace;wite-space:pre;">
[13:19:58] <Splarka>	but no guarantees
[13:20:03] <media>	I just wanted you to look upon the list I had. Sorry
[13:20:04] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[13:20:08] <Liveraso>	how can i use templates in template?
[13:20:11] <Splarka>	I saw it three times already
[13:20:24] <media>	I apologize
[13:20:48] <Splarka>	media, just add (oops made a typo above) white-space:pre; to the style tag of the earlier example
[13:21:01] <Splarka>	and if you don't have tidy, you should be able to omit <br />
[13:21:15] <Liveraso>	i have great a template with much variables and input it in a nother template, but it dosn't work
[13:21:21] <Splarka>	Liveraso: how can you not? make a template call in a template
[13:22:15] <Splarka>	Template:Foo contains "a{{bar}}b", Template:Bar contains "thing", output of {{foo}} will be "athingb"
[13:22:32] <Liveraso>	sorry, but my english is bad! 
[13:23:22] <Liveraso>	i have great a tamplat names Hallo and input a variable  {{{foo1}}} {{{foo2}}}
[13:23:56] <Splarka>	right, so called with {{Hallo|foo1=a|foo2=b}}
[13:24:06] <Liveraso>	and input the templat in a nother template names world
[13:24:31] <Liveraso>	yes i know Splarka
[13:24:50] <Splarka>	k
[13:25:06] <Liveraso>	but how can i integreat hallo in world?
[13:25:54] <Splarka>	ahh, you mean pass parameters from {{world}} into a sub-template?
[13:26:15] <Liveraso>	yes
[13:26:25] <Splarka>	{{world|parameter1|parameter2}}, Template:World contains {{Hallo|foo1={{{1}}}|foo2={{{2}}}}}
[13:26:50] <Liveraso>	ok
[13:26:55] <Splarka>	the {{{1}}} will expand to 'parameter1' and be assigned to parameter {{{foo1}}} of Hallo
[13:27:00] *TodWulff 	thinks 'omg, all the braces hurt me noggin...
[13:27:47] <Splarka>	Tod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Intricate_templates
[13:28:03] <TodWulff>	ty
[13:29:45] <Liveraso>	thx Splarka i test it out
[13:31:41] <media>	I made it. Thanks Splarka :)
[13:32:14] <Splarka>	rar
[13:32:53] <media>	Hey Splarka!! I had one more query
[13:33:06] <media>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
[13:33:36] <media>	Can you please tell me how can I create the boxes as shown in the above URL ?
[13:34:02] <media>	I am referring to Users, System administrators , Developers etc
[13:34:19] <media>	The one with images in the box
[13:34:30] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_page&action=edit
[13:34:48] <Splarka>	that's just html-ish styles and classes
[13:34:49] <media>	checking
[13:35:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use File:Wiki.png as site logo for Arabic Wikiquote - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19060  (10Platonides)
[13:35:14] <wonderful>	I'm wondering if it's possible to have a server side bot that auto clones pages in a second wiki whenever one is created in the first wiki
[13:35:19] <media>	Ok. Can we copy that code and use 
[13:35:55] <Splarka>	sure, but you'll need all the sub-templates and css
[13:36:14] <media>	How can I get that ? I do not anything about CSS
[13:36:22] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[13:36:34] <Splarka>	copy it from there to your MediaWiki:Common.css
[13:36:35] <Splarka>	!css
[13:36:35] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page (NOT a file) and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:Common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:Monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[13:36:46] <Splarka>	teaching you css would be beyond the scope of this channel tho ^_^
[13:37:55] <media>	Hey!! Im new to mediawiki. Can you please tell me how to open this MediaWiki:Common.css ?
[13:38:16] <wonderful>	in the url
[13:38:21] <kibble>	media, type "MediaWiki:Common.css" in the search box
[13:38:23] <kibble>	hit edit
[13:38:24] <wonderful>	like a page
[13:38:33] <wonderful>	www.xxxxxx.com
[13:38:51] <wonderful>	.../mediawiki:common.css
[13:39:45] <media>	I am getting this error "You do not have permission to do that, for the following reason:"
[13:40:08] <kibble>	are you logged in?
[13:40:24] <media>	oops
[13:40:26] <wonderful>	I was thinking in having two wikis, whenever one is edited, some kind of bot clones the edit in the other
[13:40:40] <media>	I haven't
[13:43:20] <wonderful>	is there a antispam extension that puts questions to answer like those for bulletin boards? "are you human? 1 + 1 = ?"
[13:43:55] <^demon>	wonderful: No. We don't like anti spam extensions. We feel that everyone should be free to post what they want. Including spammers.
[13:44:11] <wonderful>	heh :D
[13:44:45] *^demon 	pulled an all-nighter. Pardon any sarcasm, delays in replying and general "out of it" behavior
[13:44:48] <wonderful>	viagra sell ps3 cheap iphone free mp3
[13:44:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wiki forgets about an uploaded file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20744 major; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (Platonides)
[13:45:52] <Nikerabbit>	hi ^demon 
[13:45:56] <^demon>	hey
[13:48:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wiki forgets about an uploaded file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20744  (10Platonides)
[13:52:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Query error in Special:ListUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20745 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (niklas.laxstrom)
[13:58:35] <Liveraso>	Splarka: it dosn't work
[14:00:07] <wonderful>	? opened my wiki and saw this Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.
[14:01:01] <Platonides>	wonderful, there was an exception
[14:01:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Most of Wikinews pages unavaillable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20746 critical; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bertrand.grondin)
[14:02:01] <Liveraso>	templates are so gggrrr
[14:02:02] <wonderful>	I think it's because I was installing semantic but didn't finish it
[14:02:17] <Liveraso>	it dosn't work but it must work
[14:02:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Most of French Wikinews pages unavaillable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20746  summary (10bertrand.grondin)
[14:02:42] <Liveraso>	i have great a Templat names [
[14:02:57] <Liveraso>	Hallo and a Template names World
[14:03:50] <Liveraso>	and i will integreat world in Hallo
[14:03:58] <Splarka>	Liveraso: paste the contents of them at http://p.defau.lt/new.html  (pastebin)
[14:04:16] <^demon>	Splarka: Is 20746 the same as 20741?
[14:04:52] *TodWulff 	thinks that they are different by about 5... ;)
[14:05:28] *^demon 	stabs TodWulff a little bit
[14:05:42] <TodWulff>	lulz - I had that coming...
[14:05:51] *Splarka 	looks
[14:05:57] <Splarka>	heh
[14:06:09] *^demon 	is pretty sure it is
[14:06:16] <Liveraso>	Splarka: this is "Hallo" http://p.defau.lt/?HCBPDdjGX_caOHreW_FvUg 
[14:06:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Most of French Wikinews pages unavaillable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20746  (10bertrand.grondin)
[14:06:51] <Splarka>	thedj: <Gurch> This should not break anything, as there should be no need for non-breaking spaces in page titles; I'm not aware that any exist, I can't think of any useful purpose they would serve, and they are already prohibited on the English Wikipedia...
[14:07:03] <Splarka>	obviously they're hallucinating, being french
[14:08:07] <TodWulff>	well, i took a look at the bug, and it seems legit from my end.
[14:08:11] <Liveraso>	and this is "World" :http://p.defau.lt/?UX_juyH5ra_IYS5LET_4dA
[14:08:34] <Splarka>	thedj: dupe it and set 20741 BLOCKER per http://toolserver.org/~nikola/grep.php?pattern=%C2%A0&lang=fr&wiki=wikinews&ns=0
[14:09:01] <^demon>	Splarka: So it is a dupe?
[14:09:04] <Splarka>	yes
[14:09:10] <Splarka>	pretty sure anyway
[14:09:16] <Splarka>	they have lots of pages with nbsp that are not accessable
[14:09:26] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Most of French Wikinews pages unavaillable - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20746  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:09:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:09:34] <Splarka>	dozens, maybe hundred
[14:09:53] <Splarka>	ja.wp just had a few images inaccessable, en.wp like 5 pages
[14:10:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Valid versions of a Wikipedia page can't be reached from history and are nearly lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20747 major; Normal; Wikimedia Suggestions: Suggestions; (sp23qst)
[14:10:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741  04CRIT->04BLOCKER; +comment (10innocentkiller)
[14:11:05] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56670 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialListusers.php: bug 20745 Query error in Special:ListUsers
[14:11:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Query error in Special:ListUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20745  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:11:57] <Splarka>	mmm, blocker
[14:11:59] <^demon>	Splarka: Methinks 20747 is dupe too.
[14:12:03] *^demon 	will brb
[14:12:13] <TodWulff>	here we go - gonna be bazillions of bug reports before this settles down...
[14:12:25] <Splarka>	747 might be another dupe
[14:12:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Valid versions of a Wikipedia page can't be reached from history and are nearly lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20747   +code-update-regression (10p858snake)
[14:12:47] <Splarka>	but reads a bit odd (damn french)
[14:12:47] <p858snake>	^demon: that one is about entries missing from file histories or something
[14:12:51] <Liveraso>	Splarka: and so show it on my page: http://wiki.androidpit.de/index.php/Sandbox
[14:13:14] <Splarka>	sec, busyt
[14:13:18] <Splarka>	-t
[14:13:33] <wonderful>	http://pastebin.com/d17cdd9ef I didn't install parserfunctions properly :P
[14:17:54] <Splarka>	Liveraso: eh, you're doing weird things
[14:18:28] <Splarka>	<onlyinclude> is generally not needed with <includeonly> and <noinclude>
[14:18:47] <wonderful>	Warning: require(/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php) .... "/extensions/" is wrong
[14:19:00] <Splarka>	and I can't even tell which template calls which
[14:19:30] *^demon 	is back
[14:20:40] <wonderful>	$IP/extensions ... same Magic word 'if' not found error as before
[14:20:43] <Liveraso>	im new, i read the last 5 days how do with wiki and in german wikipedia calls you need <onlyinclude>
[14:21:34] <wonderful>	hey, will mediawiki installation shrink if I disable all unused languages?
[14:22:17] <Splarka>	hmm, you'd have to remove them from languages/Names.php and delete the files from /languages/messages/
[14:22:21] <Liveraso>	i call the template "Technische Daten" in the Template "Smartphone"
[14:22:23] <wonderful>	http://mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12253 -_- this is why, I grabbed the wrong version
[14:22:51] <Splarka>	Liveraso: those are rather esoteric templates, you might ask the authors for assistance
[14:23:15] <Splarka>	are you a native german speaker?
[14:23:38] <Liveraso>	yes
[14:24:12] <Splarka>	you might ask about them in #wikipedia-de
[14:24:43] <Liveraso>	ok, thx
[14:27:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wiki forgets about an uploaded file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20744  (10herd)
[14:30:11] <Splarka>	^demon: if ya still around, it is a dupe
[14:30:28] <Splarka>	they have 7 pages with nbsp in the title, and two of them are mentioned in the bug
[14:31:56] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Valid versions of a Wikipedia page can't be reached from history and are nearly lost - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20747  +comment (10herd)
[14:32:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741  +comment (10herd)
[14:32:09] <^demon>	Splarka: [10:19]  * ^demon is back
[14:32:38] <Splarka>	^demon: if you can here me, you're not quite corporeal yet
[14:32:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741  (10bertrand.grondin)
[14:33:13] <Splarka>	I am surprised it took 2-3 days for all these reports to start rolling in
[14:33:22] <Splarka>	does the french wikinews only operate on Sunday?
[14:33:33] <Splarka>	and fr.wp has started copy/paste fixing, arr
[14:34:02] <TodWulff>	lol
[14:36:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mismatched input syntax for Cite error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17865  +comment (10ed.palmer)
[14:39:24] <^demon>	Splarka: 20744 is dupe too :p
[14:39:54] <Splarka>	^demon: not the previous two cases
[14:40:19] <^demon>	Oh ew, I see.
[14:40:42] <Splarka>	and actually, not that one either
[14:40:50] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Olympic_Highway_-_Moorong.jpg  <-- no unicode there
[14:41:05] <Splarka>	eep, that file is huge, heh
[14:42:37] <wonderful>	are the page revisions compressed by default?
[14:56:24] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56671 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeTemplate.php: Fix fatal if Centralnotice-template page does not exists
[15:32:36] <kim__>	Hello. Am I doing something wrong? I'm passing extra data to the mediwiki api in a post, and now I'm trying to retrieve that data using $wgRequest
[15:33:27] <kim__>	If I use the API Hook APIEditBeforeSave   , my $wgRequest contains the extra variable (wave_id)
[15:34:04] <wonderful>	:(
[15:34:25] <wonderful>	after installing all semantic related extensions I got Exception caught inside exception handler
[15:35:08] <kim__>	but when I inspect $wgRequest after ArticleSaveComplete or ArticleInsertComplete, there's no more data in there. What am I missing?
[15:35:28] <kim__>	I could just add a new hook called APIEditSaved or some such?
[15:35:37] <kim__>	wonderful, what happens if you install them one by one?
[15:36:24] <wonderful>	I'll start by disabling one by one
[15:45:44] <wonderful>	ahh... I forgot one part
[15:45:58] <wonderful>	semantic has a special page for web based configuration
[15:46:50] <wonderful>	disabled all but semantic mediawiki, working again
[15:51:25] <VN|Nerothos>	Hi everybody
[15:52:01] *Annemarie 	installs a tail on charitwo.
[15:52:26] <wonderful>	forgot to initialize smw database
[15:52:35] <wonderful>	seems to be working now with all semantics enabled
[15:53:39] <kim__>	wonderful, that's ah, wonderful ;-)
[15:53:51] <kim__>	hello VN|Nerothos Annemarie 
[15:54:08] <Annemarie>	Hey kim__. :-)
[15:56:32] <kim__>	I'm trying to get some extra params into an api edit request
[15:56:41] <kim__>	just one really, a wave_id
[15:59:51] *kim__ 	wonders where $wgRequest goes between  APIEditBeforeSave and  ArticleInsertComplete
[15:59:57] <kim__>	for some reason it seems to be empty
[16:02:50] <CIA-12>	03nikerabbit * r56672 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/FFS.php: Handle groups which use language code as root key
[16:04:06] <CIA-12>	03nikerabbit * r56673 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Groups.php: And make the function public..
[16:04:14] <kim__>	I see
[16:04:28] <kim__>	the wgRequest is replaced by a fauxRequest, and loses my parameter
[16:04:39] <kim__>	I wonder if I could just add my parameter to the request...
[16:11:33] <wonderful>	how do I replace #p-search with CreateArticle? copy html code in css?!
[16:21:20] <wonderful>	:/ main.css
[16:22:30] <CIA-12>	03avar * r56674 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/FFS.php: Fixed perl error & perl 5.8 compatability
[16:29:20] <kwisatz>	Hi, someone competent in giving some advice on URL beautification / short URLs?
[16:31:47] <cirwin>	have you read the wiki page?
[16:32:10] <kwisatz>	yes
[16:32:16] <cirwin>	what's the problem?
[16:33:37] <kwisatz>	well we're using rewrite because when using alias, the extensions' css files no longer get loaded and the only "problem" which is only a cosmetic problem though, is that on searching, urls are not beautified
[16:34:14] <kwisatz>	a search always gives the long form (i.e. https://www.hackerspace.lu/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=test&go=Go)
[16:34:49] <kwisatz>	although https://www.hackerspace.lu/wiki/Special:Search/test works as well, but that is not what the form generates
[16:36:07] <CIA-12>	03nikerabbit * r56675 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Encapsulate syck support, fix for fatal
[16:36:15] <cirwin>	the problem there is that the browser generates the URL using HTTP GET
[16:36:16] <MaxSem>	HTML forms can't generate such pretty URLs
[16:36:30] <cirwin>	so you could implement some javascript to catch the onsubmit of the form and go to a nice URL instead
[16:36:35] <cirwin>	but that is a bit risky
[16:36:44] <MaxSem>	they're for predefined links generated on-server only
[16:38:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install Extension:Transliterator on fr and en.wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20246  summary; +comment (10hubert.bossot)
[16:39:18] <Splarka>	even Wikipedia's setup uses ugly URLs for search/actions/specialpageforms
[16:39:19] <kwisatz>	hmm ok, that makes sense
[16:39:39] <Splarka>	even wikis with action paths generally use ugly urls for backend stuff, eg: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=Foobar&go=Go
[16:39:48] <Splarka>	while the history link is http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/history/Server_admin_log
[16:40:17] <kwisatz>	hmm.. ok, can't be changed then
[16:40:23] <kwisatz>	thanks for your help
[16:41:51] <wonderful>	so I install widgets, place createarticle in a widget and the widget in the sidebar?
[16:42:45] <kim__>	everything can be changed, if you're creative enough
[16:42:58] <kim__>	OTOH I solved my problem with a global (so sue me) :-P
[16:43:15] <kim__>	One of the few times when one of those is justified
[16:43:25] <kim__>	either that or someone pulls the awful hack out of the API
[16:43:26] <kim__>	:-P
[16:43:30] *kim__ 	has no time to do the latter
[16:43:45] <kim__>	And thus we perpetuate hack-upon-hack ^^;;
[16:44:28] <cirwin>	kim__: you do realise that there are many hundreds of globals in mediawiki - it's written that way :s
[16:49:31] <kim__>	cirwin, Yes, I had kind of noticed
[16:49:41] <kim__>	cirwin, and then globals break, and you need to add more globals
[16:49:59] *kim__ 	wonders if anyone is ever going to go global-hunting to stomp them all
[16:50:02] <cirwin>	it's just the easiest dependency injection framework ever :)
[16:50:07] <cirwin>	I doubt it
[16:50:20] <kim__>	:-(
[16:50:22] <cirwin>	it would require a major re-factor of the entire code base and all the extensions
[16:50:31] <cirwin>	which is several hundreds of thousands of lines
[16:50:31] <kim__>	sounds like a challenge
[16:50:32] <cirwin>	eww
[16:50:47] <kim__>	several hundreds of thousands of lines total
[16:50:54] <kim__>	and all held together by globals
[16:50:57] <cirwin>	yup
[16:51:01] <kim__>	isn't it lovely? :-P
[16:51:06] <cirwin>	don't worry, most of them are documented :)
[16:51:10] <kim__>	Hello Pathoschild 
[16:51:31] *Pathoschild 	waves hello.
[16:51:59] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56676 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.js: Remove tag box on review
[16:52:13] <kim__>	cirwin, yeah, but like I discovered today, if you do an API request, the $wgRequest gets stomped by the API, and some of the request parameters mysteriously vanish
[16:52:28] <cirwin>	great :s
[16:52:37] *cirwin 	wanted to add another parameter
[16:52:41] <kim__>	cirwin, so like, chalk up one more victim
[16:52:44] <cirwin>	&preloadtext= to match &preloadtitle
[16:53:11] <kim__>	cirwin, I just intercepted APIBeforeSave and added my own params to a global :-P
[16:53:24] <kim__>	APIEditBeforeSave even :-P
[16:53:42] <cirwin>	the hooks system is pretty nifty
[16:53:43] <kim__>	cirwin, were you adding to the API then?
[16:53:50] <cirwin>	imagine if that was all done by monkey patching :)
[16:54:08] <cirwin>	nah, to index.php, though I didn't get round to even thinking about it yet, just wrote it in javascript instead
[16:54:12] <kim__>	it would have been nicer if there were no globals :-P
[16:54:15] <cirwin>	s/wrote it/stole it from someone/
[16:54:36] <cirwin>	kim__: the alternative would be much more syntax heavy
[16:54:43] <cirwin>	you'd have to pass a global state to every function
[16:54:48] <cirwin>	and then acess parameters on that
[16:54:54] <cirwin>	which would be no better than globals
[16:54:58] <cirwin>	just wouldn't be globals :)
[16:55:37] <kim__>	hmph, really?
[16:55:57] <cirwin>	how else would you do it?
[16:56:20] <cirwin>	I suppose you could also replace all the globals by class methods, as they mainly belong to singletons, that would also be nice and OO and not at all like globals
[16:57:38] <kim__>	%-)
[16:57:58] <kim__>	I totally detect no sarcasm whatsoever in that remark :-P
[16:58:11] <cirwin>	oh, I'll try harder next time
[16:58:20] <kim__>	LOL
[16:58:36] <kim__>	I actually did laugh out loud too :-P
[16:58:44] <cirwin>	hehe
[16:59:37] <kim__>	but then like with this api thing
[16:59:44] <kim__>	we discover that some globals get overloaded-ish
[16:59:52] <kim__>	and change their value halfway through execution
[17:00:40] <kim__>	maybe I shouldn't have wantd to use page.page_id so hard :-/
[17:00:45] <kim__>	oh well
[17:00:47] <kim__>	code works now
[17:04:33] <cirwin>	that;s all that matters
[17:06:21] <kim__>	until it breaks worse next time
[17:06:26] <kim__>	and the time after that :-P
[17:06:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:MyPage/monobook.js does not render in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4801  15enhancement->minor; +comment (10nospam)
[17:12:57] <Platonides>	Vyznev, I opened for that bug 20631
[17:13:09] <Platonides>	don't know why there was such old bug about the same
[17:17:05] <Happy-melon>	werdna, WTH is the filter() function/callback in HTMLForm supposed to do??
[17:19:43] <VN|Nerothos>	Randomimage can it be with two images?
[17:21:27] <Vyznev>	Platonides: right, that would probably have been the more appropriate bug
[17:22:22] *Vyznev 	should fix it somehow, but is having a hard time concentrating right now :(
[17:23:05] <Vyznev>	as I noted in my comment, I already have a headache from a ful, and trying to track the control flow in SkinTemplate didn't make it any better
[17:23:14] <Vyznev>	*flu
[17:23:48] <Nikerabbit>	Happy-melon: modify the value before it is retrieved? :o
[17:23:56] <Platonides>	perhaps you should be lying in bed instead of coding :)
[17:24:07] <Vyznev>	probably, yes
[17:24:38] <Happy-melon>	nikerabbit: I hope so :D
[17:25:22] <Nikerabbit>	Happy-melon: why?
[17:25:33] <Happy-melon>	cos I'm documenting it :D
[17:25:56] <Nikerabbit>	I've used it in Translate/utils/HTMLJsSelectToInputField.php :o
[17:26:18] <Happy-melon>	I finally got fed up of having to open Preferences.php as well as HTMLForm.php in order to work out what the hell it can do
[17:26:36] <Happy-melon>	:P
[17:26:57] <Happy-melon>	for some reason Andrew decided to put the documentation with the preferences work instead of with the actual form :D
[17:27:58] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[17:31:21] <wonderful>	??? /wdigets/compiled_templates is displaying an error "access denied", even though the permission is 777
[17:41:39] <Nikerabbit>	wonderful: typo wdigets?
[17:55:36] <ireas>	hi
[17:57:14] <werdna>	17:17 < Happy-melon> werdna, WTH is the filter() function/callback in HTMLForm supposed to do??
[17:57:26] <werdna>	Happy-melon: filters (modifies before saving) the data
[17:59:31] <ireas>	i'd like to help coding etc. but I dont know where to start or what to do …
[17:59:53] <wonderful>	Nikerabbit: no
[18:03:12] <hanska>	hello people
[18:03:24] <ireas>	maybe you can give me a hint -- i read that a lack of ideas is no problem, you've got enough things to do ;)
[18:03:29] <hanska>	I'd need some help with the use of __TOC__ (or the use of headers, if you prefer)
[18:03:34] <hanska>	here's the problem → http://i37.tinypic.com/2lu7tpu.png
[18:03:36] <wonderful>	Warning: require_once(/home/apostila/public_html/wiki/extensions/Widgets/Widgets.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/apostila/public_html/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 147
[18:03:58] <hanska>	The "title" is a level-1 header (=header=), but I'd like to include only level-2 (and below) in the TOC.. is that possible?
[18:04:34] <[[sroracle]]>	wonderful: try CHMOD'ing the dir /Widgets/ to 777
[18:04:40] <hanska>	--or, is it possible to have a "title" without it being taken in consideration for the TOC? (I'm thinking at <font></font>, but maybe there's something cleaner and less hacky)
[18:04:58] <Splarka>	hanska: you'll have to fake it, pretty much
[18:05:56] <wonderful>	Warning: require_once(/home/apostila/public_html/wiki/extensions/Widgets/smarty/Smarty.class.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/apostila/public_html/wiki/extensions/Widgets/Widgets.php on line 50
[18:06:06] <ireas>	hanska, in German WP, there is a template: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:%C3%9Cberschriftensimulation_1 I don't ig there's the same thing in your WP
[18:06:13] <Splarka>	hanska: <div style="color: black;background: none;font-weight: normal;margin: 0;padding-top: .5em;padding-bottom: .17em;border-bottom: 1px solid #aaa;font-size: 188%;">Fake Heading</div>
[18:06:22] <[[sroracle]]>	wonderful, make sure the CHMOD was recursive
[18:06:33] <[[sroracle]]>	meaning that affects all subdirectories and files
[18:06:39] <ireas>	Haley_, otherwise try style="margin:0; margin-bottom:.6em; padding-top:.5em; padding-bottom:.17em; border-bottom:solid 1px #AAAAAA; background:none; font-size:188%; color:black; font-weight:normal"
[18:06:55] <Haley_>	wrong nick ;o)
[18:07:01] <kim__>	wonderful, chmod -R o+r <stuff>
[18:07:04] <hanska>	ireas, Splarka: thank you!
[18:07:07] <ireas>	Haley_, oh, i'm sorry ^^
[18:07:12] <Haley_>	:)
[18:07:13] <[[sroracle]]>	exactly
[18:07:16] <wonderful>	cpanel
[18:07:23] <[[sroracle]]>	hmm
[18:07:32] <[[sroracle]]>	sec
[18:07:32] <kim__>	cpanel?
[18:07:35] <CIA-12>	03avar * r56677 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/TranslateYaml.php: Use wfShellExec
[18:07:52] <kim__>	wonderful, what are the flags for /home/apostila/public_html/wiki/extensions/Widgets/smarty/Smarty.class.php
[18:08:19] <kim__>	I presume something like -rw-rw---- ?
[18:08:38] <wonderful>	:P fixed
[18:08:50] <kim__>	care to share what and how?
[18:09:00] <wonderful>	went in all folders and 777 one by one
[18:09:05] <[[sroracle]]>	ah
[18:09:18] <wonderful>	folder by folder, select all, 777 on all
[18:09:24] <[[sroracle]]>	next time I'd recommend you use a FTP client vs. the File Manager in cPanel, wonderful
[18:09:49] <[[sroracle]]>	they allow for recursive CHMOD'ing which'll save you a lot of the time
[18:11:24] <Nikerabbit>	hi werdna 
[18:11:58] <CIA-12>	03ialex * r56678 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/api/ApiFeedLQTThreads.php: Fix parse error: syntax error, unexpected ',' in extensions/LiquidThreads/api/ApiFeedLQTThreads.php on line 103
[18:12:04] <CIA-12>	03avar * r56679 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/TranslateYaml.php: include stdout in the error message if it dies
[18:14:54] <CIA-12>	03nikerabbit * r56680 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/TranslateYaml.php: fix syntax terror
[18:18:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Nested refs fail inside references block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20707  +comment (10Ruslik00)
[18:25:27] <Happy-melon>	werdna: cool.  What about HTMLForm::importData??
[18:25:47] <Happy-melon>	doesn't seem to be called in HTMLForm.php
[18:27:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) <references /> doesn't work after category tree in some cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20748 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (gsvick)
[18:33:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:MyPage/monobook.js does not render in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4801  (10heldergeovane)
[18:34:12] <CIA-12>	03avar * r56681 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/utils/TranslateYaml.php: use wfDebugDieBacktrace instead of die
[18:34:35] <werdna>	Happy-melon: could be dead code, grep for usage
[18:35:15] <A2`>	hi, I'd like to know if a script or extension exists that can do a kind of syntax highlighting for the syntax of mw ([[]] {{}} <.></.>…), it could help to have this in edition window (for the text te be more readable and to check the syntax itself), if it exist, why isn't it by default on all wp ?
[18:36:36] <Splarka>	you can sort of stick it through Special:ExpandTemplates and get the XML parse tree...
[18:37:14] *Annemarie 	wonders how long it'd take to grep all of MW's code...
[18:37:24] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?generate_xml=1&input=[[foo]]%20{{bar}}%20{{{baz}}}
[18:37:38] <Splarka>	<template><title>bar</title></template> <tplarg><title>baz</title></tplarg>  (mostly does the brace substitution)
[18:38:08] <Splarka>	anything external would need to mimic the preprocessor, ew
[18:38:12] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Preprocessor_ABNF
[18:39:04] <MrZ-man|lazin>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikEd
[18:39:30] <Annemarie>	Pass to the API?
[18:40:02] *Splarka 	passes Annemarie to the API
[18:40:16] *Annemarie 	returns has a 500 error.
[18:40:19] <Annemarie>	As...
[18:40:41] <MrZ-man|lazin>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Remember_the_dot/Syntax_highlighter
[18:41:43] <MrZ-man|lazin>	why isn't it by default on all wp ? - because they're huge, slow, and don't work on IE
[18:41:47] <Happy-melon>	werdna: not used in core
[18:41:53] <Happy-melon>	shall I ditch it?
[18:41:56] <Annemarie>	Even with a Core 2 Duo and Firefox 3.5 or Chrome 4, the performance is unacceptably slow on pages larger than 10 KB.
[18:42:04] <A2`>	ok, thanks MrZ-man|lazin
[18:43:32] <MrZ-man|lazin>	actually, Remember the dot's isn't huge, just slow
[18:44:47] *Splarka 	takes that out of context for MrZ-man
[18:50:51] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r56682 10/trunk/phase3/includes/HTMLForm.php: Document and tidy HTMLForm.php. :P
[18:53:41] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r56683 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ExternalUser.php: New function for ExternalUser to get the local User corresponding to the external one.
[19:01:37] <Nikerabbit>	+        * The here's-one-I-made-earlier option: do the submission if
[19:01:38] <Nikerabbit>	+        * posted, or display the form with or without funky valiation
[19:01:58] <Nikerabbit>	one *what* I made earlier?
[19:03:46] <Happy-melon>	you've clearly never watched Blue Peter :D
[19:04:07] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[19:04:16] <Nikerabbit>	I don't think that should be a prerequisite
[19:04:32] <Nikerabbit>	is there any reason to double indent switch-case statements?
[19:04:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wrong function name on User::spreadBlock() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20749 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (Platonides)
[19:05:36] <Happy-melon>	I just follow the has-braces-so-indent argument...
[19:07:00] <werdna>	Platonides: in PHP, function names are case-insensitive
[19:07:28] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Wrong function name on User::spreadBlock() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20749  +comment (10agarrett)
[19:09:09] <Platonides>	omg
[19:09:20] <Happy-melon>	does that apply to variables too?
[19:09:44] <flyingparchment>	no
[19:09:44] <Platonides>	sorry
[19:09:45] <Nikerabbit>	no
[19:09:46] <Platonides>	should be nice to fix the case, though
[19:11:49] <Happy-melon>	I always use wfGetIp
[19:11:55] <Happy-melon>	and usually wfGetDb as well
[19:12:00] <Happy-melon>	when I think it's wfGetDB
[19:12:36] <Happy-melon>	if PHP ever breaks that insensitivity, it's going to make an awful mess :D
[19:12:37] <Platonides>	that was the only usage of wfGetIp()
[19:13:01] <Platonides>	I found it by grepping with the wrong case :P
[19:13:15] <Happy-melon>	crikey, you *are* bored :D
[19:16:58] <Platonides>	core doesn't use wfGetDb() 
[19:17:02] <Platonides>	although there're 24 instances on extensions
[19:17:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Nested refs fail inside references block - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20707  (10rohde)
[19:25:49] <nononono>	So, http://pastebin.com/d79c6e5f4 in monobook.php should enable me to put create article form in the sidebar?
[19:27:13] <Platonides>	I don't see why it should do it
[19:27:30] <Platonides>	it's a form for searching the wiki
[19:28:26] <nononono>	http://mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217&highlight=createarticle&page=2 2005 thread
[19:29:05] <Emufarmers>	November 17th, 2005 
[19:29:34] <Platonides>	well, that thread code is not what you pasted
[19:29:48] <nononono>	I mean, replace the search form with createarticle form
[19:30:03] <Platonides>	you can add it below the search form
[19:30:31] <Platonides>	although it's not the best code to do that
[19:43:01] <Platonides>	any idea why I may be getting Undefined variable: wgExtraNamespaces in /includes/Namespace.php on line 31, even after adding require_once("DefaultSettings.php"); at the top of that file?
[19:44:36] <nononono>	my webspace usage is 90mb, with just one page created, the monobook skin page
[19:45:00] <hesco>	I need to check whether the leg to my call agent is actively bridged to an outbound number.  someone had suggested using sip show channels for clues.  Its output includes a 'Call ID'.  My question is this: how does that Call ID relate to anything available in the environment of an AGI call?
[19:46:03] <hesco>	sorry folks, looks like I'm in the wring channel for that question.
[19:48:55] <Platonides>	probably
[19:51:46] <nononono>	right, form alone doesnt do anything
[19:52:36] <nononono>	a create article button and form showed up in the sidebar but with no function, it doesnt do anything
[19:56:09] <nononono>	uhmm... not quite, copied that code but... what it does is simple redirect directly to a "page with xxxx name doesnt exist" with a "create page" button on the actions bar
[20:28:42] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r56684 10/trunk/ (19 files in 13 dirs): Merge in Login rewrite, second time lucky.
[20:28:54] <Happy-melon>	here we go again :D
[20:30:28] <svip>	:o
[20:30:37] <Emufarmers>	o:
[20:31:04] <Bryan>	can't you create get/set methods rather than assigning to mVariables?
[20:31:48] <Happy-melon>	where?
[20:31:54] <Happy-melon>	don't see the point for the Specials
[20:32:01] <Bryan>	setFormHeader
[20:32:08] <Bryan>	rather than mFormHeader = 
[20:32:11] <Happy-melon>	oh
[20:32:18] <Happy-melon>	yeah maybe
[20:32:27] <Bryan>	do we actually have a preference/policy on that?
[20:32:50] <Happy-melon>	we don't even have a policy on indentation, you think we can manage one on something that actually matters?!? :D
[20:35:04] <nononono>	well
[20:35:07] <nononono>	bla
[20:35:25] <nononono>	easiest solution is the special:createpage link solution
[20:36:37] <nononono>	at least it's less confusing than searching > no article found > create it?
[20:40:04] <CIA-12>	03ialex * r56685 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): * (bug 20726) Title::getLatestRevID's documentation now says that the function returns false if the page doesn't exist
[20:40:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Title::getLatestRevID function documentation is incorrect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20726  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[20:45:19] <ialex>	hmm, can someone reproduce https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20743 ?
[20:46:01] <werdna>	20:32 < Happy-melon> we don't even have a policy on indentation, you think we can manage one on something that actually matters?!? :D
[20:46:05] <werdna>	Happy-melon: indentation matters?
[20:46:07] <werdna>	hi LauraHale 
[21:05:26] <Happy-melon>	werdna: no...?
[21:05:54] <werdna>	:)
[21:06:33] <Bryan>	we're not writing python :P
[21:06:48] <werdna>	:))
[21:07:01] <MrZ-man>	Happy-melon: bah, who cares if there's bugs as long as the code is properly indented
[21:07:09] <Happy-melon>	:D
[21:07:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wiki forgets about an uploaded file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20744  (10Platonides)
[21:07:40] <werdna>	I thought you meant talk page indentation
[21:07:59] <cirwin>	the code can only be properly indented if it contains no bugs, because the correct indentation for buggy code is -1
[21:12:43] <Happy-melon>	well you're doing your best to solve that, aren't you werdna? :D
[21:18:40] <Emufarmers>	Happy-melon: your commit seems to have broken logins
[21:19:01] <Happy-melon>	where?
[21:19:06] <Happy-melon>	and how?
[21:19:10] <Emufarmers>	On...Special:UserLogin?
[21:19:13] <saper>	!thumbnails
[21:19:13] --mwbot--	For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[21:19:31] <Happy-melon>	you mean on a test install...
[21:19:52] <Emufarmers>	Right
[21:19:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  +comment (10dancraggs)
[21:20:00] <Emufarmers>	Eh, now it's working; maybe I just had to run update.php
[21:20:57] <Happy-melon>	still worksforme
[21:21:12] <Happy-melon>	8-|
[21:21:15] <Happy-melon>	update.php???
[21:21:24] <Happy-melon>	no comment :D
[21:21:26] <Happy-melon>	:S
[21:23:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:25:01] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r56686 10/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Follow-ups to r56684: add a member function for extensions to add header text cleanly, and tweak variable names in api/ApiLogin.php.
[21:26:13] <Danny_B>	can watchlist feed be in atom format too? i tried to append &feed=atom but it did not work
[21:26:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  (10dancraggs)
[21:28:59] <saper>	how do I regenerate thumbnails? (images pulled via ForeignApiRepo from commons)
[21:36:54] <werdna>	Happy-melon: I'm trying. Have you seen it lately?
[21:37:12] <Happy-melon>	no I really must take a peek
[21:37:22] <Happy-melon>	I keep hearing cool things about javascript and stuff
[21:37:36] <Happy-melon>	how soon do you think it might be up?
[21:37:42] <Happy-melon>	before or after FlaggedRevs?? :P
[21:37:43] <werdna>	http://wiki.werdn.us/test/view/Talk:Main_Page
[21:37:54] <werdna>	it's going up on testwiki next week when I get back from vacation
[21:39:41] <Happy-melon>	awesome
[21:39:45] <Happy-melon>	it looks really cool
[21:40:01] <Happy-melon>	is it possible to retrofit existing discussions into LQT format?
[21:40:08] <werdna>	any particular thoughts?
[21:40:33] <Happy-melon>	it's gonna need good help docs
[21:40:47] <Happy-melon>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:LiquidThreads is gonna need to be there
[21:40:52] <Happy-melon>	or enwiki will go mad
[21:41:07] <Happy-melon>	a lot of the tables don't span the full screen width
[21:41:09] <Happy-melon>	are they supposed to?
[21:41:10] <Bryan>	hehe there used to be a saying "before or after SUL"
[21:41:29] <werdna>	Happy-melon: like which ones?
[21:41:52] <Happy-melon>	http://wiki.werdn.us/test/scripts/index.php?title=Thread:Talk:Main_Page/Is_Paper_Magical&lqt_method=thread_history
[21:43:15] <Happy-melon>	and the contents table
[21:45:00] <Happy-melon>	but generally it looks awesome
[21:45:14] <cirwin>	I am performing a page save through the API, and although the page saves correctly, it timesout so it looks to the browser as though an error has occured, does anyone know why this might be?
[21:45:40] <werdna>	Happy-melon: any functional suggestions?
[21:46:23] <Happy-melon>	are the signatures the system default?
[21:46:25] <werdna>	we can work out interface details at leisure, it's the functionality I'm really trying to get right
[21:46:34] <werdna>	the signatures are going to be the user's signature
[21:46:40] <werdna>	haven't written that part yet :0
[21:46:43] <Happy-melon>	fancy sig etc
[21:46:52] <Happy-melon>	that will be cool
[21:47:08] <Happy-melon>	no millions of hardcoded signatures everywhere
[21:47:20] <Happy-melon>	would they update when a user changes sig...?
[21:47:49] <werdna>	indeed
[21:48:31] <Happy-melon>	and presumably if they go through RenameUser
[21:48:34] <Happy-melon>	even more cool
[21:48:46] <Happy-melon>	I can't find a watch-this-thread link
[21:48:58] <Happy-melon>	is there one?
[21:49:22] <Happy-melon>	doh
[21:49:25] <werdna>	it's at the top of the thread
[21:49:25] <Happy-melon>	I'm not logged in
[21:49:28] <Happy-melon>	ignore me :D
[21:49:32] <werdna>	needs to be prominent, and AJAXy of course
[21:53:22] <Happy-melon>	when I post a reply to a thread
[21:53:26] <Happy-melon>	thereby bumping it to the top
[21:53:31] <Happy-melon>	then split the reply off into its own thread
[21:53:42] <Happy-melon>	the old thread stays at the top of the page...
[21:54:18] <Happy-melon>	and still says it's been edited recently
[21:54:38] <victori>	should I default to mysql install with mediawiki or the postgresql support is up to par?
[21:54:55] <werdna>	victori: use mysql if you can, ostgres is okay but you will have occasional issues
[21:55:04] <werdna>	esp. if you use trunk rather than a stable release
[21:55:05] <victori>	gotcha, so mysql it is
[21:55:15] <werdna>	Happy-melon: we need to rethink the ordering, I think
[21:55:24] <werdna>	It's sorted in reverse by "last modified date"
[21:55:37] <werdna>	when I think we really need a separate sort key date.
[21:55:38] <Happy-melon>	and splitting a thread counts as modifying it
[21:55:42] <Happy-melon>	reasonable
[21:55:51] <Happy-melon>	but yes, that could help
[21:55:56] <werdna>	e.g. summarizing a thread should not bump it to the top, neither should splitting a thread off from it
[21:56:04] <Happy-melon>	yes
[21:56:37] <werdna>	there's already a bug open for that
[21:56:43] <werdna>	I also want to think about options for moderation
[21:56:55] <werdna>	Deleting a thread is currently only possible for admins
[21:57:32] <werdna>	I want to think about ways of community moderation, not necessarily the vote up/down thing, because I think that's democratic
[21:57:38] <werdna>	too democratic
[21:59:38] <Happy-melon>	I agree
[22:00:09] <MrZ-man>	we could make it more like a republic, appoint "thread representatives" who represent the wishes of the thread participants
[22:00:10] <Happy-melon>	but it does need to be easy for people to cleanup random talkpage spam
[22:00:18] <Happy-melon>	lol
[22:00:21] <werdna>	right
[22:07:55] <werdna>	Happy-melon: any brainwaves?
[22:07:57] <CIA-12>	03churchofemacs * r56687 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Follow-up on r55909: showLogExtract can now tell Pager to ignore wgRequest offset. Needed for block notice on SpecialContributions. Also small fix for SpecialBlockip (after r56420)
[22:08:31] *werdna 	slaps Church_of_emacs, incidentally
[22:09:51] <Happy-melon>	werdna, not really; except that you have to think about rollback too
[22:10:05] <Happy-melon>	will rollback become delete-lite in NS_THREAD??
[22:10:34] <werdna>	there's no special treatment
[22:14:04] *Church_of_emacs 	doesn't think it's a good thing, that Pager assumes we want to use $wgRequest by default
[22:14:22] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r56688 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (bug16979) Add tracking categories for __INDEX__ and __NOINDEX__.
[22:14:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	yay!
[22:14:53] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Tracking category for __NOINDEX__ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16979  +comment (10happy-melon)
[22:15:07] <Church_of_emacs>	Pager uses offset in $wgRequest and you have to manually overwrite mOffset to undo this.
[22:15:42] <Happy-melon>	werdna: how easy is it to get rid of random spam threads, then?
[22:22:31] <werdna>	Happy-melon: at the moment you have to ask an admin to delete it, that sucks.
[22:22:39] <Happy-melon>	yeah
[22:22:51] <Happy-melon>	that's not going to be viable on enwiki
[22:23:04] <Happy-melon>	what's the plan?
[22:23:39] <werdna>	none so far, that's why I am asking
[22:27:04] <Happy-melon>	I think rollback should have the ability to delete the most recent threads
[22:27:18] <Happy-melon>	although is 'most recent thread' itself a bit of a misnomer?
[22:28:04] <werdna>	I don't think that's a good solution
[22:28:04] <Happy-melon>	maybe be able to move a thread to /dev/null??
[22:28:20] <werdna>	deleting threads is a bad idea because it entails actually deleting the thread page
[22:30:04] <Happy-melon>	when does a thread stop being visible on a page?
[22:30:04] <werdna>	moving to a non-existent page could work
[22:30:18] <werdna>	but it'd be considered "hiding" or "removing", not "deleting"
[22:30:27] <Happy-melon>	yeah
[22:30:33] <werdna>	you're talking about archiving?
[22:30:40] <Happy-melon>	partly
[22:31:01] <werdna>	it drops off the bottom
[22:31:07] <werdna>	the talk pages are paged
[22:31:10] <Happy-melon>	and where does it go?
[22:31:29] <werdna>	so once there are more than 19 threads above it, it drops off the bottom and you can access it by clicking the "next page" button (or by searching)
[22:32:29] <Happy-melon>	hmm
[22:32:44] <Happy-melon>	(is that number configurable? Cos ANI is going to need way more than 19 threads :D)
[22:33:03] <werdna>	it could in theory be configurable per page
[22:33:10] <Happy-melon>	it will need to be
[22:33:46] <Happy-melon>	or maybe it would be better to do it on a minimum-number-or-minimum-age basis
[22:33:59] <cirwin>	threads should archive after a configurable length of idle time after the maximum number on a page is reached
[22:34:06] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56689 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Consistency fix
[22:34:07] <Happy-melon>	exactly
[22:34:17] <werdna>	although I really doubt that there are freuently more than 20 *active* AN/I threads at any one time
[22:34:22] <werdna>	That's harder
[22:34:27] <cirwin>	but better :p
[22:34:57] <MrZ-man>	werdna: it would depend on how you define "active"
[22:35:53] *cirwin 	is trying to optimise a template, it is futile :(
[22:36:07] <Happy-melon>	cirwin: which one?
[22:36:14] <victori>	hmm any tips on combating spam?
[22:36:18] <cirwin>	[[wiktionary:Template:t]]
[22:36:35] <cirwin>	it is transcluded over a thousand times on some pages, and included on over 100,000 pages
[22:36:40] <werdna>	!spam | victori 
[22:36:40] --mwbot--	victori: For information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features>.
[22:36:55] <victori>	thanks
[22:37:02] <Happy-melon>	eek
[22:37:09] <Happy-melon>	what does it do?
[22:37:40] <cirwin>	formats translations correctly, providing interwiki links to languages within wmf, setting xml lang properties, the correct CSS names for crazy langauges :)
[22:37:44] <cirwin>	other than that, not much :p
[22:38:22] <cirwin>	i am particularly interested in this snippet: {{{{#if:{{{xs|}}}|t2|t-sect}}|{{{1|}}}|{{{xs|}}}}}
[22:38:31] <cirwin>	because the action of {{t2}} is simply {{{2|}}}
[22:38:45] <cirwin>	so it can be written more concisely as {{{xs|{{t-sect|{{{1|}}}}}}}}
[22:39:02] <cirwin>	but I assume it is in the original form to try and stop mediawiki from including t-sect unnecessarily
[22:39:09] <cirwin>	do you know if that is pointful?
[22:42:48] <werdna>	ah, templates
[22:53:03] <Vyznev>	cirwin: dunno, but if that's the case (and if so, the parser should really be fixed not to do that), you could work around it with {{#if:{{{xs|}}}|{{{xs}}}|{{t-sect|{{{1|}}}}}}}
[22:53:48] <cirwin>	well, when I try the first form, the Preprocessor node count and Post-expand include size drop
[22:53:58] <cirwin>	but whether that is an actual indication of it being better, I don't know :)
[22:54:15] <cirwin>	is there a way to time the rendering of a page?
[22:55:23] <Vyznev>	isn't there a "Served by ..." comment at the bottom of the page source?
[22:55:34] <cirwin>	ah
[22:55:44] <cirwin>	on the assumption that it is not a cached copy :)
[22:55:57] <Vyznev>	well, try it on preview, then?
[22:56:01] <cirwin>	yup
[22:58:24] <Shardsofmetal>	Is the vector skin only included in the current subversion code, or is it in 1.15.1?
[22:58:58] <Platonides>	it'll be on 1.16
[22:59:15] <Platonides>	it isn't on any release yet
[22:59:28] <charitwo>	When is 1.16 slated for
[23:00:42] <Shardsofmetal>	ok, thanks
[23:02:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Impssible to upload a new version of a file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20750 critical; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bertrand.grondin)
[23:02:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to upload a new version of a file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20750  summary (10bertrand.grondin)
[23:02:49] <Emufarmers>	It begins
[23:03:18] *MrZ-man 	ends Emufarmers
[23:03:23] <Emufarmers>	o:
[23:03:27] <charitwo>	Nobody knows!
[23:04:14] <MrZ-man>	charitwo: for 1.16? It'll probably depend on whether or not the js2 stuff gets reviewed, or just removed from the release
[23:04:32] <charitwo>	ok
[23:04:58] <charitwo>	MrZ-man: if you're going to end anyone, you may as well take out Annemarie
[23:05:06] <MrZ-man>	I think Tim said the a part of it needs to be rewritten
[23:05:09] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Impossible to upload a new version of a file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20750  +comment (10Platonides)
[23:05:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bug in uploading new version on commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20677  +comment (10Platonides)
[23:06:06] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56690 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Add 'noemailcreate'
[23:09:37] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56691 10/trunk/extensions/ (44 files in 43 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-20 22:58 UTC)
[23:13:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable WantedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15714  +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[23:17:55] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56692 10/trunk/phase3/ (62 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-20 23:06 UTC)
[23:18:43] *Annemarie 	infects charitwo.
[23:22:10] *Annemarie 	blinks.
[23:24:41] <Danny_B>	o_o, i just found serious bug - newly added gadget won't be saved in preferences, it remains unchecked even if you check it and hit save settings
[23:26:41] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Enable WantedPages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15714  +comment (10danny.b)
[23:26:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Periodical run of currently disabled special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15434  +comment (10danny.b)
[23:27:21] <victori>	I have mediawiki behind a load balancer, all redirects made by the wiki redirect with the port
[23:27:26] <victori>	anyway to mask it?
[23:27:47] <flyingparchment>	set $wgServer
[23:27:54] <victori>	thanks
[23:35:26] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56693 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (150 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-20 23:06 UTC)
[23:37:58] <nononono>	is semantic addpage different from special:createpage?
[23:39:17] <p858snake>	!semantic | nononono
[23:39:17] --mwbot--	nononono: Not many people here use Semantic Mediawiki. You might try #semanticmediawiki (also see !hesaidsemantic ).
[23:39:35] <nononono>	!hesaidsemantic
[23:39:35] --mwbot--	http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/576/hesaidsemanticga2.jpg
[23:39:48] <nononono>	?
[23:40:09] <p858snake>	don't worry about the image
[23:48:34] <nononono>	? suddenly part of my skin reverted to the default monobook skin
[23:48:43] <nononono>	don't know what happened
[23:53:38] <nononono>	uhn?!
[23:56:13] <nononono>	for some reason footer, preferences and some other ids are being overwritten by the default skin. Last thing I did was, I was editing the sidebar, logged out and in two or three times
[23:56:34] <nononono>	and logged out of cpanel