[00:06:30] ??? closed browser, still acting odd, the skin is partially being overwriten [00:08:18] something happened server side [00:14:59] going to edit skin server side :P [00:18:29] did recent API changes changed URL format of imageinfo / thumbURL (now it's URL-encoded?) [00:21:39] when I remove a page it can still be restored, so it's still taking up space in the webserver? [00:21:59] yes [00:29:07] (assuming the database is on the webserver) [00:29:35] I think it is? [00:29:56] 90mb used [00:29:58] otherwise its taking up space on whatever server the database is on [00:30:13] no articles created yet [00:31:52] that's the min size? [00:58:59] aaaawwwwwwwwww [00:59:33] I replaced the same lines from monobook.css article page in monobook.css in the webserver, the results differ [01:00:31] some elements look different [01:03:03] so the overwriting priority is different [01:04:38] Hi all, I'm new to MediaWiki and was wondering if someone can help me with figuring out the best method of organizing? [01:04:52] My needs consist of the following: [01:04:53] Locale [01:04:54] - Version [01:04:54] -- Packet [01:05:48] what is this? I have two folders with almost the same size. One is public_html/mywiki the other is home/mywiki 47mb + 42mb, duplicated wiki? [01:05:50] 03(mod) Can not enter my user name, which is a mixture of capital/lower case - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20743 +comment (10innocentkiller) [01:07:44] wow [01:07:51] languages folder alone is over 30mb [01:07:57] <^demon> Yep :p [01:09:21] i always prune that on installs/upgrades ;) [01:10:02] *^demon runs trunk like a real man [01:10:40] 03(NEW) ForeignAPIRepo->getThumbUrlFromCache assumes thumbnail i18n image filename returned from commons API will not be URL-encoded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20751 major; Normal; MediaWiki: File/Repo; (marcin.cieslak) [01:10:45] home and public_html [01:10:51] both contain mediawiki [01:13:55] Perhaps one is a symlink. [01:14:05] symlink? [01:19:27] weird, the home folder has a subfolder called home, that expands itself, subfolder loop?! [01:26:34] 03(mod) Problem with endashes and emdashes in article names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8660 -testme ; +comment (10chriseagle1729) [01:33:33] 03(FIXED) ForeignApiRepo does not urldecode filenames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20751 summary; +comment (10innocentkiller) [01:34:01] *^demon kicks CIA-12 [01:34:01] ow [01:34:09] *Annemarie hugs CIA-12 [01:34:09] *CIA-12 hugs Annemarie [01:34:57] 03(mod) Sidebar items missing from classic, cologne blue, simple skins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2557 (10N/A) [01:35:47] <3 how in gmail with the mailings lists sometimes you get the newer emails before the older ones, does lead to some wtf faces sometimes [01:36:09] *charitwo tasers Annemarie [01:36:15] <^demon> p858snake: Yep :p [01:36:29] *Annemarie defenestrates charitwo. [02:31:48] 03(mod) Show sequential user edit diffs as single compiled-diff link in change log/history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19247 (10stvrtg) [02:33:47] 03(mod) Hotwatch: User_talk-style banner notifications for select article changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19248 (10stvrtg) [02:41:35] 03(mod) HTML+bitmap ruler-based interface to ImageMagick crop function - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19473 (10stvrtg) [02:46:12] Why is it so hard to find a good domain name registrar? :-( [02:46:39] Too many choices, I suppose. Fucking ICANN. :\ [02:59:57] 03(mod) Allow wikitext bracket tags to link to Wikipedia articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19976 (10stvrtg) [03:30:57] Emufarmers: nearlyfreespeech.net has been pretty good for me generally [03:31:29] They be a fine registrarrr? [03:32:25] it's not saturday anymore, matey ;-) [03:37:12] Who says it needs to be talk like a pirate day to talk like a pirate? [03:39:49] the international talk like a pirate day comittee [03:40:27] they use baseball bats against the people that do when its not the day =( [03:47:07] great.................. [03:47:21] the free web host I'm using is down [03:47:54] I can't trust my wiki to one host :I [03:49:20] your using a free webhost, of course you don't have guantees [03:49:50] they seem to be resellers [03:52:09] lol [03:52:14] was down just for a few minutes [03:55:58] OK so I'm using a template, and I made some changes to the .php file that I don't *think* should destroy anything (just uses

to add to a menubar)... I've got misermode on, memcache on, etc. [03:56:10] Oh and filecacheing [03:56:22] And for the last 5 minutes the server is now timing out for me. Is this because it's having to now update every single page's cache? [03:56:35] Or did I somehow screw something up (I'm doubtful but paranoid nonetheless) [03:56:55] templates? templates arn't stored in php files [03:57:39] if your talking about the side bar, you should really edit that at [[Mediawiki:Sidebar]] [03:57:50] hard to tell who is a primary host and who is a secondary host, are there resellers of resellers? [03:58:35] !sidebar | Neurotiquette [03:58:35] --mwbot-- Neurotiquette: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [04:00:32] awesome, the skin looks nearly the same in opera, ie8 and firefox. the only difference is font size and line height [04:03:11] google tells me yes, there are many sub-resellers [04:21:54] Is it possible to have a namespace certain users can't see? Or is that one of the things to which we say !morbo? [04:22:47] !lockdown [04:22:47] --mwbot-- Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [04:23:44] thanks [04:52:59] !morbo [04:52:59] --mwbot-- http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/330/morbomediawikiaf9.jpg [04:53:12] heh :D [04:53:25] windmills don't work that way ! [05:05:36] ugga [05:06:24] hiya Nikerabbit [05:06:35] i have a problem uploading images/files. it says cant create public/1/13 [05:06:57] mitixi is /public writeable ? [05:07:33] public does not exist, i have images folder for images [05:08:04] i read somewhere that public is just a mediawiki "protectio " for images folder [05:08:39] is your images/ repertory writeable ? [05:08:54] my images folder is writable for IIS_WPG group (IIS used of course) [05:09:25] even this one is writable , from php.ini upload_tmp_dir = "C:\PHP\uploadtemp" [05:10:13] *Alphos doesn't know how IIS works... [05:10:20] and in localsettings: $wgEnableUploads = true; $wgUploadPath = "$wgScriptPath/images"; $wgUploadDirectory = "$IP/images"; [05:10:27] is php a member of IIS_WPG ? [05:11:10] the problem clearly is a write mode not available [05:12:50] although these are out of date, they may help with IIS http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki_on_Windows_XP_-_MediaWiki_1.9.2 , http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installing_MediaWiki_on_Windows_Server_2003 and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Windows [05:13:29] ugh [05:13:53] 04:25 ‎ ‎60.44.41.226 ‎created new account User:NK45 [05:13:58] Happy melon! [05:14:14] true, solved, IIS_WPG wrong IUSR_server-name correct [05:14:36] well, you're welcome ^^' [05:14:51] sorry i couldn't help more, happy you've come to a solution :) [05:15:39] Nikerabbit: that's what happens when you give the wrong people commit access [05:15:56] charitwo: I don't access to anyone [05:16:10] i didn't mean "you" in that sense :p [05:16:44] well, this was the first step, now i have to upload swf flash, after clickin upload i get the upload windoew bact, no error written but there is nothing in the upload log [05:16:57] rarar Nikerabbit [05:20:54] fuck it [05:21:28] revert! [05:22:58] wtf [05:23:08] it didn't add anything to real new user log, just recent changes [05:25:10] now I have to manually edit the recentchanges table... [05:46:23] 03(FIXED) translating English words into Aramaic - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20709 +comment (10siebrand) [05:47:12] are cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php getting run over the servers yet? [05:47:15] eh... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/56694 this just fixes it in 1.16+ right? Shouldn't the previous behavor of the api be restored until 1.15- is no longer supported? [05:48:02] (since a lot of 1.15- wikis will access commons for a long time) [07:07:41] hello [07:07:48] could someone give me some help please? [07:07:53] I'm trying to install mediawiki farm [07:16:26] !ask [07:16:26] --mwbot-- Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. See also: !gethelp [07:16:31] Blackhold: ---^ [07:16:53] Duesentrieb: I've got installed last version of mediawiki [07:17:00] and trying to use extension:farmer [07:17:35] I'd done all installation alright [07:17:40] wiki was working [07:17:45] and applied the extension [07:17:52] and followed the instructions [07:18:03] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Farmer [07:18:15] but it apears me [07:18:18] a message [07:18:28] Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'MWException' with message 'configDirectory not found: /var/wikifarm/wiki/extensions/Farmer/configs/' in /var/wikifarm/wiki/extensions/Farmer/MediaWikiFarmer.php:105 Stack trace: #0 /var/wikifarm/wiki/LocalSettings.php(142): MediaWikiFarmer->__construct(Array) #1 /var/wikifarm/wiki/includes/WebStart.php(113): require_once('/var/wikifarm/w...') #2 /var/wikifarm/wiki/index.php(42): require_once('/var/wikifarm/w...') #3 {ma [07:24:49] Blackhold: i have never tried that extension, and i don't know much about it. but the error complains that it doesn't find a specific directly. [07:25:07] Duesentrieb: then any idea to build a mediawikifarm? [07:25:07] can you confirm it exists, and is writable? and it and all it's parent dirs are readable from php? [07:25:14] saure, by hand [07:25:14] I'm thinking to create symlinks [07:25:15] !family [07:25:15] --mwbot-- To run multiple wikis, you can simply install MediaWiki in different folders, with different databases or in one with database prefixes. You can also have multiple wikis using a single installation: [07:26:06] Duesentrieb: the good thing of a farm is that when you want to update [07:26:15] only updating 1 wiki is enough [07:27:49] Blackhold: yes, of course. follow the link. [07:28:23] Blackhold: the idea is simple: the config file is a php script. it can simply check which domain or directory is being requested, and load a different config depending on that. [07:28:45] if you can write a little php, this is pretty simply. [07:28:50] ok [07:28:51] err, simple [07:28:57] no prob [07:29:04] my english is worst ;) [07:32:02] Duesentrieb: well then gonna try it [07:32:03] thanks [07:32:04] :) [07:32:20] have fun [07:32:57] \o/ [07:33:07] good work for first hour of morning! :) [07:54:58] hey all. I have a custom namespace question. We recently added a Dev: and Core: namespace to http://wiki.habariproject.org, but when the chap who did it didn't add talk namespaces. So Dev: is 100 and Core: is 101. Will MW cope if I just change it to Dev: 100, Dev_talk: 101, Core: 102, Core_talk: 103 ? [07:55:40] nope [07:55:48] I thought not :) [07:55:56] you have to update the id's manually [07:57:03] michaeltwofish: set the wiki to readonly. make a bakcup. change the copnfig. update the page_namespace field in the page table. run maintenance/refreshLinks.php. [07:57:06] that should do it. [07:57:39] Great, thanks. [07:57:41] hm... log entries will probably still be wrong. [07:59:20] I'm a bit of a MW newbie. Is there a (front end) way to see all the pages in a namespace ? [07:59:51] The change was very recent. There are very few pages in the Core namespace (which is the only one that would need to change) [08:03:35] Special:Prefixindex or Special:Allpages [08:11:08] 03nikerabbit * r56695 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/spyc/spyc.php: New version of spyc (r91) [08:12:54] Splarka: perfect, thanks. [08:22:10] morning people [08:22:33] mu [08:23:21] I'm having a really odd problem here.. I recently moved my wiki from some directory to another. changed the document root in my apache config, and made an entry in my internal dns, but.. [08:23:26] well [08:23:47] now the link looks very odd; it looks like this: [08:23:51] http://syswiki/syswiki/index.php5/Huvudsida [08:24:02] that generates a 404 (naturally) [08:24:27] but, it behaves right if I actually put my syswiki folder under another syswiki-folder [08:24:46] s/behaves right/works like it should/ [08:25:05] even more odd, is that our intranet wiki is apparently set up the same way; [08:25:17] the link is http://wiki/wiki/index.php/Huvudsida [08:25:25] anyone have a clue what's up here? [08:25:29] 03(FIXED) Specify period in MediaWiki:Activeusers-count - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20716 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [08:25:59] what should it look like? [08:26:11] did you update LocalSettings.php? [08:26:24] well, imo it should be just http:/syswiki/index.php5/Huvudsida [08:26:32] hm, might have missed something in there [08:26:40] why don't you do syswiki/wiki/Huvudsida [08:26:50] check your rewrite rules [08:26:54] Nikerabbit: huh? [08:26:58] if your using shorturls [08:27:03] he's not [08:27:05] Nikerabbit: the two wikis are completely separated [08:27:17] p858snake: yeah, I odn't have any rewrite rules :/ [08:27:28] gamla_kossan: are they on the same machine? [08:27:32] yup [08:27:48] well, why should that matter [08:28:03] why should what matteR? =) [08:28:14] oh wait, could this be it? [08:28:15] $wgScriptPath = "/syswiki"; [08:28:19] yes [08:28:31] but why are you not using rewrite rules [08:28:42] =) never learned [08:29:37] but do explain, why should I use rewrite rules? [08:30:11] nicer urls [08:30:28] nicer than http://syswiki/index.php5/Huvudsida? [08:30:49] all of a sudden non of my users can login to my wiki... any thoughts? [08:31:01] fotoflo: checked your apache logs? [08:31:07] yes [08:31:12] didnt see anything of note [08:31:13] nothing in them? [08:31:22] huh. [08:31:26] no lots of data [08:31:34] nothing that looks special [08:31:36] "all of a sudden" = ?, what changed? running trunk? [08:31:45] running 1.15 [08:31:51] monday = notworking [08:31:54] gamla_kossan: yes /wiki/ instead of /index.php5/ [08:31:55] friday it was working [08:32:11] k, just asked, since happy-melon rewrote login again on trunk (no affect to 1.15, heh) [08:32:24] Nikerabbit: you mean, I could have like http://syswiki/Huvudsida? [08:32:31] because that would be pretty nice, definetely [08:32:32] =) [08:32:38] !nullpath [08:32:38] --mwbot-- Don't use the example.com/Page_title URL scheme. It isn't supported by developers and WILL break in ways you can't foresee (and if it doesn't, the developers might break it in a future version just to spite you). Some examples can be found at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory#Reasons_why_putting_wiki_pages_in_the_root_directory_of_the_web_site_is_bad [08:32:58] hehe, ok.. [08:33:16] what is PROPFIND? [08:33:35] [20/Sep/2009:15:41:41 +0800] "PROPFIND /web HTTP/1.1" 401 516 "-" "Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir/5.1.2600" [08:34:20] gamla_kossan: no, you can't have that :) [08:35:03] hehe.. [08:35:20] 03(mod) Change script loading order back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [08:35:53] Nikerabbit: but say foo.se/wiki/Huvudsida - would this be as bad? [08:36:20] 03(mod) Change script loading order back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [08:36:20] nope [08:36:47] coolers, then I've understood I think [08:37:04] any exploits for media wiki 1.15 currently in the wild that could have this effect? [08:37:19] fotoflo: what is the effect exactly? [08:37:47] it almost seems like the wiki isnt connected to the DB anymore [08:38:00] it always says that the username isnt recognized [08:38:13] when trying to login [08:38:19] can you log in with you wikiadmin account? [08:38:22] fotoflo: and you are not using external authentication? [08:38:23] or if i ask it to email me my password [08:38:30] not using external auth [08:38:33] have you checked that the database is up adn running? [08:38:54] yes, db is up and running [08:38:57] the wiki would complain if it weren't [08:38:59] (not just that the process is up, but it's actually working) [08:39:02] Nikerabbit: oh [08:39:03] checking wiki admin [08:39:11] yes, logged in, all user accounts are there [08:39:37] how odd [08:39:47] wikiadmin doesnt seem loginable [08:40:28] "you have entered an invalid login name" [08:40:57] err, actully, the wiki is running the chinese language pack, but thats what it means [08:41:55] invalid != unknown [08:42:15] fotoflo: ah, well, the wiki admin account is not necessarily "wikiadmin"; it's an account named and set during installation [08:42:47] lemme login to the sql database and check [08:44:55] i have an admin account that cant get in [08:44:57] yes [08:45:14] right [08:45:30] well, I'm out of ideas really [08:47:45] I'd try restarting mysqld, and apache [08:47:52] Duesentrieb: it worked! [08:47:53] thnks! [08:47:56] but.. I wouldn't hope too much [08:48:05] Blackhold: yay you :) [08:48:14] I used the ln -s way! [08:48:17] gaaahhh [08:48:21] stupid mod_proxy!! [08:48:29] why won't it do what I want it too :/ [08:48:33] ProxyPass /syswiki http://syswiki [08:48:33] ProxyPassReverse /syswiki http://syswiki [08:48:34] I will translate it to catalan and spanish [08:48:38] looks right, doesn't it? [08:48:40] thanks [08:50:53] this is just too odd [08:50:58] ProxyPass /wiki http://wiki/wiki [08:50:58] ProxyPassReverse /wiki http://wiki/wiki [08:51:04] ^ works like it should [08:51:14] but the syswiki one doesn't :/ [08:51:33] however, http://syswiki works just fine [08:51:35] :( [08:51:44] 14(DUP) data loss in is.wikt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20703 major->04BLOCKER; +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [08:51:48] 03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [08:52:27] Nikerabbit: you wouldn't happen to be able to shine a light on this as well? [08:56:39] eh blocker dupe? [08:56:45] wierd, i cant get into the system via phpmyadmin either [08:58:21] how odd, it seems as though the order in which the ProxyPass directives are matter. [08:59:39] so i can telnet to localhost, but not to my ip [09:01:06] check your firewall settings [09:01:22] fotoflo: actually.... this is about mysql? [09:01:33] looks like it [09:01:51] fotoflo: mysql doesn't listen on ip per default. "localhost" isn't 127.0.0.1 for mysql - it means "use a fifo"! [09:02:20] so, you'll have to enable tcp in mysql's config [09:03:15] just reebooting the machine... [09:12:37] wierd though, the wiki should be logging in from localhost [09:14:18] 03(mod) FlaggedRevs main (system) JavaScript variables suddenly at the end of the head tag, after MediaWiki:Common.js etc.; breaks scripts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20690 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [09:14:43] 03(CLOSED) Search & Replace : Navigable table of content is not changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20584 (10wikibugs) [09:15:48] can I reset the admin password? [09:17:29] 03(mod) Change script loading order back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20720 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [09:19:07] Danny_B, the type attribute in HTML5 is still allowed, but it defaults to text/javascript for scripts and text/css for style. If you have a browser that supports some other format, you can feel free to specify a different type, but it's unnecessary if you're using just CSS and JS. The fact that it's output in XHTML 1 as well is a bug which has been fixed on trunk for three days. [09:20:00] AryehGregor: yup, we discussed that later on, you'll see it in log [09:20:01] It's not really any extra effort to suppress it in HTML 5, because there are already helper functions being used to do stuff like add I don't see it in the log. [09:20:50] so how did you find out i spoke about that bug? [09:21:38] Because I looked in the log. [09:21:43] 03(CLOSED) Search & Replace : Icon's tool tip shall be changed as 'Search and replace' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20583 (10wikibugs) [09:21:47] I mean, that's what I was responding to. [09:22:00] Maybe I misunderstood what you said. [09:22:09] Danny_B, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/HTML5#FAQ_about_MediaWiki_use_of_HTML5 [09:23:02] ah... i suppose you read the log and react sequentially as you read. so i said there is more discussion in log after i reported the bug [09:23:09] 03(mod) HTML tidy doesn't work for 404 pages like it does for existing pages (doesn't add missing closing tags anymore e.g.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20714 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [09:23:52] 03(CLOSED) Search & Replace : Cursor shall be moved to replaced text position - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20582 (10wikibugs) [09:24:17] [10:49:01] Should be easily fixable. [10:49:16] there is an open bug about it I believe [10:49:42] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20713 [10:50:32] oop, "Fixed" [09:24:17] werdna, misnested tags are invalid in HTML5 and have been invalid in every version of HTML forever, as far as I know. HTML5 specifies how the error is to be handled, but it's still not valid. [09:25:49] The last I see on the topic is this: [09:25:50] [090920 06:52:16] Danny_B: I wasn't aware MediaWiki used anything other than JavaScript though. [09:25:50] [090920 06:52:41] roberthl: nobody said that. you asked about the purpose of that attribute [09:25:50] [090920 06:52:57] ok [09:25:50] [090920 06:53:11] but in the context of MediaWiki it doesn't seem to have a purpose [09:26:15] . . . anyway, whatever. [09:30:59] *Splarka is going on "is a bug which has been fixed" -> "yup, we discussed that later on, you'll see it in log" -> "I don't see it in the log." -> " oop, "Fixed"" [09:31:22] I was explaining why type is optional in HTML5. [09:31:43] k [09:31:45] In response to Danny_B's discussion with roberthl. [09:32:34] maybe Danny interpreted it as I did too though when suggesting you'd see it in the logs? just sayin [09:32:45] Apparently, yeah. [09:33:05] *Danny_B is getting confused :-/ [09:33:26] he does raise a valid point though, should mediawiki intentionally not auto-close

by inserting a

when in html5? [09:34:57] re the html5 page on mw site: i disagree with medium term point "removal of closing tags, quotes etc." - that's long step way back to prehistoric times :-/ [09:35:22] *Splarka wonders if the htmltidy used on WMF supports html5? [09:35:32] *Danny_B doubts [09:37:48] Splarka, if $wgWellFormedXml = true, it needs to insert the . [09:38:11] 04(REOPENED) Search & Replace : User is not acknoledged when text is replaced - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20581 +comment (10wikibugs) [09:38:19] Splarka, if it's false, then it could omit it, but it looks like way too much work to get Sanitizer to do that, it's a giant ugly performance-sensitive function. [09:38:32] So probably it won't for now. [09:38:33] *Splarka nod [09:43:49] AryehGregor: oic [09:44:06] HTML5 is defined in terms of the DOM, which is a tree. [09:44:15] Misnested elements don't form a tree. [09:44:34] It specifies rules for how to nest them properly if they're misnested. [09:44:42] Since browsers currently do all sorts of strange and inconsistent things. [09:45:11] IE doesn't even always produce a tree . . . you can get into infinite loops in some cases if you repeatedly call nextSibling or something and expect it to terminate, IIRC. [09:48:16] Awesome! http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Sep/att-0051/draft-hodges-strict-transport-sec-05.plain.html [09:48:34] That closes a major hole in HTTPS security. [09:48:53] At least, if it works. [09:48:54] *AryehGregor reads [09:49:36] Oh, no. [09:49:37] It doesn't. [09:49:49] It's a slight improvement, I guess. [09:50:09] Hmm, or is it? [09:50:11] *AryehGregor keeps reading [09:50:21] Aha, no. [09:50:26] "UAs transform insecure URI references to a STS Server into secure URI references before dereferencing them." [09:50:28] <3 <3 <3 [09:50:39] Now SSL might actually work against MITMs. [09:50:47] Except on a first visit, it looks like. [09:50:54] Have to wait for DNSSEC or something to fix that. [09:53:21] 03(NEW) Search result text not showing up on Special:Search - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20752 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (catlow) [09:53:46] AryehGregor: interesting, but you still have to establish *one* secure connection to the server before you know about the STS [09:54:30] werdna, well, or one insecure connection. I'm looking for the caching requirements. Ideally, high-profile targets' STS would be likely to be cached even on public computers. [09:54:49] 04(REOPENED) Navigable TOC : Section is not highlighted if section names are same - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20570 +comment (10wikibugs) [09:54:59] But it means you're completely secure if you type "amazon.com" (or whatever) on your laptop using an untrusted wireless connection. [09:55:34] Public computers are more likely to suffer from local arbitrary code execution or something than MITM, anyway. [09:55:45] (I'm assuming you've used Amazon in the past) [09:56:13] The only solution I've heard that could be deployed without DNSSEC would be a new TLD. [09:56:35] Like .secure or .s or something. Make that STS to begin with. [09:56:49] Then there'd be no way to mess it up unless people forgot to add the .s, which they would. [09:57:23] Actually, you could even have conformant browsers just ignore the .s and resolve the part under it, like amazon.com.s -> amazon.com. [09:57:36] But keep the .s nameservers running for other agents. [09:57:58] . . . [09:58:08] That kind of magic would require some serious work, though. [09:58:10] Well, whatever. [09:58:15] DNSSEC is the real solution here. [09:58:49] Replace the entire existing PKI with DNSSEC, and allow the STS thingie, and you've solved more or less all the problems with SSL. [09:59:55] yay [10:01:47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2009Sep/att-0051/draft-hodges-strict-transport-sec-05.plain.html#ua-impl-advice [10:02:36] STS could be used to mount certain forms of DoS attacks, where attackers set fake STS headers on legitimate sites available only insecurely (e.g. social network service sites, wikis, etc.). [10:02:40] *werdna thought of this [10:02:55] I didn't think of that. That's kind of scary. [10:03:09] (I mean the attack, not that I didn't think of it) [10:03:35] (although I'm sad I didn't think of it) [10:04:24] It'd require DNS or ARP poisoning and network access to the computer in question anyway [10:04:34] Why? Just MITM and inject a header. [10:04:38] but what makes it tough is that it's cached for ages [10:04:41] Well. "Just" MITM. [10:04:47] yes, but MITM requires DNS or ARP poisoning [10:04:48] Oh, you said network access. [10:04:52] No it doesn't. [10:04:59] Just put up a free wireless hotspot. [10:05:10] Instant MITM. [10:05:12] that's DNS poisoning in my book :) [10:05:18] You don't have to touch DNS. [10:05:24] It works even if you directly access IP addresses. [10:05:42] Of course, once you have MITM you can spoof DNS. [10:05:45] Is there a quick way to include a list of pages in a certain category with an optional item separator, in core mediawiki (1.15) [10:05:58] Although "poisoning" is usually used for "cache poisoning", which is certainly not relevant. [10:06:05] DHowett, not AFAIK. [10:06:15] hmm, I suppose you don't need to specifically do it if you're already the router [10:06:30] Right. [10:06:46] alright, thanks [10:06:52] If you're an MITM, you could DoS the site anyway for the users you're MITMing, probably. [10:07:12] Maybe not for so long, but users should be able to clear this stuff. [10:07:31] (for privacy reasons, if nothing else . . . although most sites that people would want to clear from their history don't use SSL) [10:07:50] 03(mod) ajaxcategories.js failed when deleting [[Category:C++]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20735 (10roan.kattouw) [10:07:50] 04(REOPENED) Navigable TOC : Level 2 & 3 sections have same indentation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20598 +comment (10wikibugs) [10:08:04] Awesome. DynamicPageList extension [10:08:04] <3 [10:09:07] AryehGregor: ... which defeats the usefulness of the cache, as you could then remove the STS headers as an MITM at some other untrusted network [10:09:47] 03(mod) ajaxcategories.js failed when deleting [[Category:C++]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20735 (10agarrett) [10:10:15] werdna, well, yes, if the users routinely clear them it reduces their value. [10:10:28] It still requires you to get the first request since the last clear, though. [10:10:37] Reduces attack surface significantly, and is pretty simple to deploy. [10:10:50] Also remember that it aborts on mis-signed certs. [10:10:53] Okay, I really have to go now. [10:10:59] okay, see you later [10:11:01] See you. [10:14:02] werdna: Have you seen https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741 ? Critical shell access-requiring bug, you're the only shell that's awake right now [10:14:53] duped a zillion times [10:15:18] RoanKattouw: looking [10:16:20] thats already running isn't it, or was something else causing commons to have over a 9000 delay earlier [10:16:43] blargh [10:16:43] 03(CLOSED) Internal links:Cannot select a page from list using arrow keys using Chrome - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20711 (10wikibugs) [10:17:10] p858: that's something domas/multichil are doing maybe? [10:19:10] I'm running it now [10:20:00] can France and Japan legally claim the head of Gurch for this one? [10:20:40] btw, the french wikipedia started "fixing" their titles by copy/pasting the current version >_< [10:21:59] 3% on arwiki [10:22:07] eta for arwiki 10:39 utc [10:24:24] werdna: I've got a regex escaping function lying around somewhere [10:25:23] RegExp.escape = function( s ) { return s.replace(/([.*+?^${}()|\/\\[\]])/g, '\\$1'); }; [10:27:06] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1594 [10:28:42] werdna: That's a 44-page RFC ^^ [10:28:54] it's an introduction to the internet [10:28:55] kinda cool [10:29:09] hehe [10:29:19] *RoanKattouw jumped to the "internet lore" section [10:37:58] 03(CLOSED) Search & replace : Icon is not available in IE 6 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20676 +comment (10wikibugs) [10:38:52] Wierd, im still having this problem where none of my users can login to the wiki [10:39:47] fotoflo: on svn head? [10:39:56] on 1.15 [10:39:59] ah [10:40:03] not my problem then :D [10:40:05] hehe [10:40:11] what's the problem? [10:40:26] its just not allowing any users to login [10:40:28] *not my [10:40:32] 03(CLOSED) Insert Link : Cursor/Scroll bar shall be moved to inserted link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20710 (10wikibugs) [10:40:38] as in it does what? [10:40:40] all logins fail? [10:40:44] if so, with what error? [10:40:53] logins succeed but cookies won't stick? [10:40:54] 登录错误 [10:40:56] 妳没有输入有效的用户名。 [10:41:06] sorry, using simplified chinese skin [10:41:17] &uselang=en will help :D [10:42:03] not helping [10:43:29] one sec [10:44:04] Login error [10:44:06] You have not specified a valid user name [10:44:24] (the username is in the database...) [10:45:41] are the usernames in chineese characters? [10:45:47] no [10:45:54] not that it should matter... [10:45:59] it does [10:46:05] you cant have chinese usernames, for some reason [10:46:37] I bet that's cos of the ucfirst restriction on usernames [10:46:49] do chineese characters have upper- and lowercase variants? [10:46:53] I assume not [10:46:56] since they're not letters :D [10:47:01] no [10:47:03] they dont [10:47:13] that's probably a bug [10:47:18] you might want to file that [10:47:21] aaaanyway [10:47:28] can you log in using the api? [10:47:30] ok, but lets get this one fix [10:47:32] ed first [10:47:39] err, how would i accomplish that? [10:47:46] what browser are you using? [10:47:53] FF 3.5 [10:48:02] allelulia :D [10:48:11] do you have the webDeveloper toolbar? [10:48:28] no, and i have firebug disabled [10:48:38] maybe you can do it with firebug [10:48:47] essentially you need to find a page with an HTML form [10:48:50] either way i have to restart the browser [10:49:05] do that then [10:49:13] ok, im using chatzilla so ill be right back [10:49:18] ok [10:50:27] ok, got the web dev addon installed [10:50:30] ok [10:50:34] it's really useful anyway [10:50:40] find a page with an HTML form [10:50:45] the login screen will do [10:50:45] hi AryehGregor [10:51:09] ok [10:51:31] and go to "miscellaneous" --> "edit html" in the toolbar [10:51:49] uh huh [10:52:08] (sweet tool) [10:52:19] the form is specified somewhere in that html as "

love the (display form details) [10:52:25] yup [10:52:57] you need to change the "action" to "http://your.website/w/api.php?action=login&lgname=&lgpassword=" [10:53:07] filling in a username and password for your site [10:53:12] and the address to your api.php, of course :D [10:53:35] can i just type that into the address bar instead? [10:53:45] no, because that would send a GET request [10:53:50] ah [10:53:51] whoosp [10:53:53] and the api login module only accepts POST requests [10:54:03] ok, [10:54:19] then just click the submit button on the form [10:54:21] and see what happens [10:54:40] brb.. [10:54:45] phone from abroad [10:54:57] <^demon> Happy-melon: Good morning. [10:55:05] hi [10:55:27] <^demon> Mind if I throw you on the cc list for a bug since you just did the login rewrite? [10:55:38] yeah sure [10:55:40] which one? [10:56:00] <^demon> !b 20743 [10:56:00] --mwbot-- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20743 [10:56:26] <^demon> I'm pretty sure it's a WFM. [10:57:21] 03happy-melon * r56696 10/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Follow-up to r56684; fix newuser log. [10:57:30] hmm [10:57:37] looks implausible... [10:58:33] <^demon> I tried locally with the username "DEVtest" and it worked just fine. [10:58:38] <^demon> Both before and after your merge. [10:59:04] there's no way in hell it should make the first letter lowercase [11:00:30] *^demon seeks to change that [11:00:58] *Happy-melon supports ^demon in his quest [11:01:49] mySQl's case-insensitive searching could make that tricky, though... [11:02:58] back [11:03:06] ok lemme try and find that POST [11:04:39] http://your.website/w/api.php?action=login&lgname=&lgpassword= [11:05:11] . /w/api is the standard location"? [11:05:31] yes [11:05:43] if your index.php is at /w/index.php, your api is in the same place [11:05:55] ok/ [11:07:30] its not there [11:07:42] and its not in the wiki's directory [11:09:23] Happy-melon: does it work now? [11:09:40] nikerabbit: what? the newuser log? [11:09:53] fotoflo: eh? [11:10:05] Happy-melon: yep [11:10:09] and recent changes [11:10:20] it should be in the same directory as index.php [11:10:24] maybe you have the api disabled? [11:10:25] its not [11:10:32] *Happy-melon sulks [11:10:33] fotoflo: Which version of MW are you using? [11:10:44] nikerabbit: should do [11:10:55] i think i am using 1.15 - is there a good way to verify this? [11:10:57] I can't actually see off the top of my head where the RC entries are coming from :D [11:10:58] Happy-melon: should? [11:11:04] fotoflo: Special:Version [11:11:06] did you test it? [11:11:15] yes [11:11:34] but I try to avoid sweeping statements :D [11:11:45] heh, i have to login to see that [11:12:08] fotoflo: Can you read the .php files on the server? Then read includes/DefaultSettings.php [11:12:26] There should be a line that says $wgVersion = 'something'; [11:12:39] nikerabbit: both work AFAICT [11:12:44] 1.15.0 [11:12:58] fotoflo: then you should have an API... [11:13:02] Hm, the fact that you're missing api.php is very weird then [11:14:16] could that have anything to do with users being unable to login? [11:14:31] shouldn't do [11:14:45] Happy-melon: You British? [11:14:59] yes [11:14:59] Im also using the following extensions: blacklist.php Flash.php PasswordReset Renameuser ConfirmAccount googleCalendar Poll StrongPassword.php CurrentUsers MultiUpload README UserMerge [11:15:04] hi RoanKattouw [11:15:06] why? [11:15:10] Hi Nike [11:15:22] Happy-melon: "should do", typical British :P [11:15:35] :D [11:15:44] but this is the first problem ive encountered [11:20:17] fotoflo: random thought: try disabling ConfirmAccount [11:21:32] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = true; [11:21:34] hmm [11:21:47] looks like all the data is gone too [11:21:55] eh? [11:22:09] oh, i can find stuff [11:22:30] \whois Happy-melon [11:22:35] doh :D [11:22:40] seems like everything is here [11:23:14] thats good [11:23:18] indeed :D [11:23:30] but why are all logins fucked? [11:23:34] Happy-melon, you dont know who you are? [11:23:49] whoops, sorry about the language [11:23:59] reedy: too long looking at SkinTemplate :D [11:24:09] ;P [11:24:28] and I wasn't sure if my hostmask was set right... [11:24:46] 03(NEW) Insert Links: Suggestion list is not cleared when user start typing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20753 minor; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (wikibugs) [11:25:16] confirm accounts had nothing to do with ti [11:25:26] hmm [11:25:46] running out of ideas :( [11:26:10] you could try SVN-upping [11:26:16] your call on whether you want to run an alpha, though [11:26:22] You must have cookies enabled to log in to OPIwiki. [11:26:30] does that indicate that i have a problem wit cookies [11:26:35] or is that there all the time? [11:26:39] Happy-melon: He could also just svn up the 1.15.1 branch [11:26:48] this is 1.15? [11:26:52] yes [11:26:55] roakattouw: true [11:26:56] Or just install 1.15.1 the usual way; doesn't require update.php [11:27:00] and shoudl probably do that anyway [11:27:03] He's currently using 1.15.0 [11:27:22] there are probably security fixes in 1.15.1 [11:27:25] there usually are :D [11:27:59] does "You must have cookies enabled to log in to OPIwiki. " that indicate that i have a problem with cookies or is it there all the time? [11:28:17] the little line of text is there all the time [11:28:23] ok [11:28:25] if you really do have a problem with cookies, you get a big red box [11:28:36] its just a little line of text [11:28:41] that's always there [11:29:08] http://screencast.com/t/doEP8KwxJP [11:29:10] I'd say go with RK's idea: update to 1.15.1 and see if it magically fixes it [11:29:15] ok [11:29:22] hi guys, I have a problem with making interlanguage articles in our company wiki. I installed mediawiki and required extensions, but it dosn't work. Would someone to help me, or send me a link to some howto? I'm asking you to hepl, I worryed about that last two days. I thing the solution will be very simple, but I don't get it. [11:29:22] I need to do language bar at bottom of articles, or languages panel in Sidebar. [11:29:22] http://wiki.ispadmin.cz/images/wiki_languages.png [11:29:22] sidebar edit [11:29:23] http://wiki.ispadmin.cz/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=edit [11:29:25] my wiki infopage [11:29:27] http://wiki.ispadmin.cz/index.php5?title=Special:Version [11:29:42] whats the update procedure? [11:29:52] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading ? [11:30:05] fotoflo: Not relevant for a bugfix upgrade [11:30:32] Just download the tarball and extract it on top of your existing install. It'll overwrite all kinds of .php files but leave LocalSettings.php alone [11:30:38] ok [11:31:06] geppertl: You have to add an entry to the interwiki table to explain which wiki cz: points to [11:31:43] geppertl: Read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interwiki , in particular section 2 [11:32:49] err [11:32:55] no magic [11:33:04] hello again [11:33:13] still "Login error You have not specified a valid user name. " [11:33:16] I'm creating an script to automatically create a farm [11:33:38] geppertl: and to get them in the sidebar you need to set $wgInterwikiMagic=true; [11:33:44] there's some link that always points to last version of mediawiki? [11:33:57] for example [11:34:11] http://download.wikimedia.org/media/wiki/last.tar.gz? [11:34:13] api.php is there now [11:34:29] okey, thanx for hit. [11:35:57] Happy-melon> you need to change the "action" to "http://your.website/w/api.php?action=login&lgname=&lgpassword=" [11:36:08] dont include the >'s right [11:36:12] No [11:36:58] still no valid username [11:37:08] hmm [11:37:13] what username are you trying to enter? [11:37:24] could there be a problem with the user table? [11:37:27] ive tried many [11:37:35] 03demon * r56697 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Followup r56684: Add new message 'createaccounterror' for errors on account creation page. Doesn't make much sense to say "Login error" here :) [11:37:45] there could be a problem with the user table... [11:37:47] :D [11:37:55] 03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741 +comment (10agarrett) [11:38:12] how do i validate it? [11:40:46] hmm, maybe there's a problem with my mysql [11:40:58] i can login from the command prompt, but not from phpmyadmin [11:41:14] do you have phpMyAdmin or console access? [11:41:21] both [11:41:31] phpmyadmin is not working though [11:41:33] odd [11:41:55] console access is working [11:42:02] well take a look at the db through the command line and check it's all kosher [11:42:15] looks fine at a glance [11:42:54] hmm [11:43:01] running out of options... [11:43:31] you might have to start dropping var_dump()s into the code and look through the control flow... [11:43:37] which is not a very helpful suggestion, I know [11:44:08] I took one look at the code there and completely rewrote it, so I can't really help you with what it was like in 1.15 [11:45:53] <^demon> Happy-melon: Rewriting blocking has been on my back-burner for awhile, if you're looking for more crap code to overhaul :p [11:46:17] maybe [11:46:30] 03catrope * r56698 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/ (EditToolbar.i18n.php EditToolbar.js EditToolbar.php): EditToolbar: (bug 20581) Also pop up a dialog box when only one replacement was made in "replace all" mode [11:46:47] you know why I spent all that time on the Login rewrite? [11:47:04] <^demon> Nope [11:47:14] I wanted to add an extra field to the *middle* of the CreateAccount interface [11:47:21] one field [11:47:22] :D [11:47:43] and it kind of spiralled out of control :D [11:48:21] blocking needs a very generic approach, I think [11:48:42]