[00:24:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10hippytrail)
[00:38:55] <dira>	how to rename a category ?
[00:39:10] <p858snake_>	you can't rename
[00:39:30] <p858snake_>	you just need to make a new one and change all the old ones where its used
[00:43:12] <dira>	is there anyway to enforce sub-pages to inherit categories of their parent page?
[00:43:19] <charitwo>	dira: because developers couldn't figure out how to make it possible
[00:43:54] <dira>	charitwo: the category renaming ?
[00:44:39] <charitwo>	dira: yeah, the only part to be "moving" is just wiki text like any other page, the "category" part is what appears underneath it
[00:46:00] <dira>	yeah, I see wikipedia uses bots 
[00:46:06] <dira>	ok how to rename a page ?
[00:46:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please create a wiki for Wikimedia Portugal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20791 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (nunotavares)
[00:47:06] <charitwo>	dira: Special:MovePage
[00:49:41] <tomas1>	hey guys i am trying to make a wiki now i want to be able to show the page titles of the most resent pages added
[00:51:14] <p858snake_>	{{Special:Newpages}} will trsuncate it onto a page
[00:51:29] <p858snake_>	{{Special:Newpages/5}} will show the last 5 entries
[00:51:56] <tomas1>	and is there a way to place that into a table with a heading
[00:52:07] <tomas1>	sorry only new at wikies
[01:09:23] <CIA-12>	03yaron * r56861 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/ (SF_FormClasses.inc SF_FormInputs.inc SF_LinkUtils.inc): Changed calls to ucfirst() to $wgContLang->ucfirst()
[01:13:25] <hippietrail>	has anyone thought about an api to expand a list of templates rather than a string including templates? that way we could get error results per template
[01:14:33] <Splarka>	you mean expand a list of template calls?
[01:15:10] <Splarka>	the problem is, expanding &titles=Template:Foo|Template:Bar|Template:Baz doesn't allow you to pass parameters or see the <includeonly> stuff
[01:15:21] <Splarka>	if ya want that, you need string fun
[01:16:54] <hippietrail>	yeah i have hacks with hopefully uniqueish separates and i parse the results for stuff like Template:
[01:17:24] <hippietrail>	but that doesn't lend itself to portable code on wikis that might use some native translation of the Template namespace i think
[01:18:00] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&rvexpandtemplates=1&rvgeneratexml=1&titles=Template:!|Template:!!|Template:%3D
[01:20:27] <hippietrail>	hmm enwiktionary has ! and = but not !!
[01:20:42] <hippietrail>	are they supposed to exist on every wiki?
[01:21:18] <Splarka>	nope
[01:21:21] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:!!!!
[01:21:26] <Splarka>	heh
[01:22:06] <hippietrail>	hmm tricky templates bend my brain
[01:22:45] <Splarka>	those aren't tricky
[01:22:48] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:!!?action=edit
[01:23:04] <Splarka>	just wonderin what yar after
[01:24:33] <hippietrail>	oh some js by another enwikt guy doesn't error check template expansion for language codes and we were bouncing some ideas around. currently he passes a whole string with a couple of templates in it and just trusts the results
[01:25:20] *Splarka 	head-splode
[01:27:09] <hippietrail>	unfortunately said js is extremely useful and extremely impenetrable or i'd add the error checking myself
[01:27:44] <Hintswen>	I dont suppose smeone could help me with this template? I'm trying to do something according to what a parameter is. blank if not defined, "tick" image if defined (with text if there's a value) and "cross" icon if defined but value is "no"
[01:30:05] <TimStarling>	apparently our little spell of bad weather is important enough for ITN on the main page
[01:30:25] <tomas1>	i tryed using {{Special:Newpage/5}} and it just lists them i want to be able to post the first paragraph like on wikipedia
[01:32:44] <OverlordQ>	that'd have to be done by hand, there's no real way to format the output given from transcluding that
[01:33:17] <OverlordQ>	afaik
[01:33:18] <tomas1>	how does wikipedia do it
[01:33:32] <OverlordQ>	what section are you talking about?
[01:33:47] <OverlordQ>	the Did you know section?
[01:33:53] <p858snake_>	Hintswen: use a switch if state
[01:33:56] <tomas1>	no no the featured artical
[01:34:29] <p858snake_>	the featured article isn't techincally a new page
[01:34:40] <tomas1>	no but it is a page inside the wiki
[01:34:42] <OverlordQ>	it's just a small snippit somebody puts together
[01:34:46] <OverlordQ>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/September_24,_2009
[01:35:18] <OverlordQ>	and then gets transcluded to the main page
[01:36:33] <Emufarmers>	TimStarling: OMG, visibility was reduced!  Planes weren't able to fly!  Children stayed home from school!
[01:36:44] <Emufarmers>	And, most importantly, it was visible _from space_.
[01:37:06] <TimStarling>	people thought the armageddon had arrived
[01:37:30] <TimStarling>	despite the fact that they get this sort of dust every second week in central australia, with no particular ill effects
[01:37:50] <Hintswen>	p858snake_, thanks, i'll go look that up.
[01:38:00] <TimStarling>	but when it reaches sydney, end of the world!
[01:38:25] <tomas1>	yea melbourne and brisbane get them but they dont complain
[01:38:37] <p858snake_>	apart from the people that couldn't breath
[01:39:27] <TimStarling>	I think if you check the article, brisbane did actually complain...
[01:39:54] <Splarka>	Hintswen: {{#if:{{{1|}}}|not blank|blank and {{#if:{{{1}}}|undefined|defined}} }}
[01:39:56] <p858snake_>	yes but not as much as those sydney siders, and theres a possiblity of it happening again on the weekend
[01:39:58] <tomas1>	ya but it is not the end of the world for them as they get them a lot
[01:41:21] <Hintswen>	xD thanks Splarka
[01:41:25] <Splarka>	{{#if:{{{1|}}}|[[File:Tick.ext]]|{{#if:{{{1}}}||[[File:Cross.ext]]}} }}
[01:41:28] <Splarka>	I guess^
[01:43:02] <TimStarling>	"Rain was also reported to have resulted,[10] with cricket ball-sized hailstones falling."
[01:43:18] <TimStarling>	grrr, that was because of the wind, not the dust
[01:43:34] <Emufarmers>	What a helpful comparison for Americans.
[01:43:40] <Amgine>	<is pretty appalled by cricket ball-sized hailstones no matter the cause>
[01:43:42] <TimStarling>	dust doesn't cause hail, gale-force winds cause hail
[01:43:43] <AndersL>	I just upgraded from 1.11 to 1.15.1, and now all the article titles which contained non-ascii characters (i.e. æ, ø, å) have gotten messed up. Does anyone know how to fix this, without manually editing each article?
[01:46:08] <Hintswen>	Splarka: perfect, thanks
[01:46:50] <tomas1>	how do you create a redirection in mediawiki
[01:47:04] <Hintswen>	actually not perfect but i should be able to figure out the last bit
[01:47:31] <Splarka>	#REDIRECT [[Pagename]]
[01:47:35] <Splarka>	as the first line of an article
[01:48:41] <Splarka>	Emufarmers: so what objects are universally comparable for size reference, for all cultures?
[01:49:13] <tomas1>	how do you get rid of the little thing under the title thats says from yourwiki
[01:49:42] <Splarka>	that should be hidden by default except on print
[01:49:49] <Splarka>	#contentSub
[01:49:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	Splarka: Bodyparts.
[01:50:16] <Emufarmers>	"It's about a penis-length"
[01:50:28] <tomas1>	is there a way to hide it anyway
[01:50:36] <Emufarmers>	Splarka: well, even Aussies have golf, don't they?
[01:50:39] <Splarka>	Mike_lifeguard: the Antwerp Diamond Baron Pygmy Tribe disagrees
[01:50:55] <Mike_lifeguard>	liez, they still have head-sized heads
[01:51:22] <Emufarmers>	Or baseball
[01:51:31] <Emufarmers>	Is a baseball ball the same size as a cricket ball?
[01:51:44] <Emufarmers>	Did I just say "baseball ball"? :|
[01:51:45] <Splarka>	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Asus_Eee_proportions.png/300px-Asus_Eee_proportions.png   tissues and a kensington lock....
[01:52:14] <Splarka>	er http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Asus_Eee_proportions.png
[01:52:22] <TimStarling>	baseball isn't very popular in Australia
[01:52:25] <simon123>	I use openSUSE and I have problem to install wiki 1.15.1 - error is: Attempting to connect to database server as wikiuser...failed with error [2002] Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (13)
[01:52:29] <Splarka>	Emufarmers: tautologies aren't always bad
[01:52:34] <TimStarling>	it'd be as clear a US reference as if you measured it in inches
[01:52:57] <tomas1>	how do you use portals
[01:53:01] <Amgine>	Diameter, circumference?
[01:53:28] <Splarka>	cm, inches, or russian black cubits?
[01:53:35] <TimStarling>	diameter in centimetres would have been the best thing to use, but obviously the person writing the article didn't know it
[01:54:08] <TimStarling>	some guy just phoned the press and said "there's hail the size of cricket balls!", he didn't get a ruler out
[01:54:12] <Splarka>	tim: {{noCoins}} them
[01:54:13] <Amgine>	<thinks mass might be useful>
[01:54:33] <Splarka>	Amgine: doesn't convey the size good for hailstones
[01:54:42] <Emufarmers>	That can be part of the auto-translation between US and GB.
[01:54:45] <Splarka>	a hailstone that big often looks like Superman's space pod, all spikey
[01:54:48] <TimStarling>	[[Hail]] uses millimetres
[01:54:55] <Amgine>	.5 kilo to your skull/autobonnet gives a very good size estimate.
[01:55:25] <TimStarling>	and it has a conversion table from various types of ball
[01:55:38] <TimStarling>	apparently a cricket ball is 71mm
[01:56:02] <Splarka>	how about a hail scale: [refreshing, ticklish, stingy, bruisy, bloody, concussy, bludgeony, killy]
[01:58:49] <Amgine>	<gg> ++ Splarka
[02:05:20] <tomas1>	is there a way to use {{Special:Newpage}} to just list the titles of the pages
[02:09:13] <Splarka>	tomas1: you'll probably want DPL for that fine-control
[02:09:31] <Amgine>	Mmm, won't quite work I don't think.
[02:09:37] <Amgine>	(for that)
[02:15:12] <Hintswen>	anyone know what extension powers wikipedia's recent changed IRC feed?
[02:15:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run cleanupTitles.php and cleanupImages.php on any wikis with unicode whitespace in page/file names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20741  04BLOCKER->04CRIT (10public)
[02:23:11] <p858snake_>	um that bug was a blocker for a reason....
[02:25:38] <Annemarie>	Nobody reads the severity chart?
[02:28:31] <p858snake_>	it was blocking access to some wikis, i know at least 10% of one of the frech ones was unaccessible
[02:29:56] <Annemarie>	Yes, but that's not the definition of a blocker.
[02:35:55] <charitwo>	Something like running out of pizza during code review qualifies as a 4BLOCKER
[02:36:50] *Annemarie 	roasts charitwo.
[02:43:12] <p858snake_>	http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=40274&src=eorss-nh
[02:48:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Personal javascript preview not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20631  +comment (10rockmfr)
[02:58:52] <Kuraiko>	heya! short, maybe stupid, question... can i check in an extension if an other exists in the wiki?
[02:59:29] <p858snake_>	possibly but it would be pointless tbh
[03:01:19] <Kuraiko>	pointless? why?
[03:02:11] <p858snake_>	to have a extenstion that checks for the existant of another one?
[03:03:33] <Splarka>	not all extensions spam Special:Verison, not all run hooks (though I guess they aren't much of an "extension" if they don't?)...
[03:04:00] <Kuraiko>	not _only_ for that ^^"
[03:05:12] *Splarka 	wonders if extensions can read LocalSettings.php and regex it for includes
[03:18:50] <Hintswen>	SWEET! I can run cluebot (I think), my web host dowesnt allow IRC (or anything that connects to IRC) but I just found out it just needs to conenct to a machine that can access IRC, and MY VPS Host just said I can run IRC on it :)
[03:19:58] <MrZ-man|busy>	Kuraiko: if you know what functions or classes it adds - http://us.php.net/function_exists or http://us.php.net/class_exists
[03:23:55] <tomas1>	is there a way to show new page titles on the main page
[03:24:12] <Annemarie>	{{Special:NewPages}}
[03:24:33] <Kuraiko>	ah thanks MrZ-man|busy 
[03:25:59] <tomas1>	yes but that lists every thing for e.g. 01:48, 24..... (hist)[5,540 bytes].........=[[Image:Windows7.png|250px|Wind...) how do i get it to just show the title
[03:26:37] <Annemarie>	Can't think of a good way off-hand.
[03:26:45] <Annemarie>	DPL maybe?
[03:27:05] <tomas1>	whats DPL
[03:27:11] <Hintswen>	can you show "all pages" sorted by creation date and only first 10?
[03:27:15] <Annemarie>	!dpl 
[03:27:15] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[03:27:29] <Annemarie>	Hintswen: Not really.
[03:27:42] *Hintswen 	goes back to dreaming then
[03:27:54] <Annemarie>	Creation date isn't stored anywhere special.
[03:28:10] <Annemarie>	You can query recentchanges for new pages, though.
[03:28:26] <Splarka>	but for a small rcmaxage and low activity wiki that will often be empty
[03:28:57] <Hintswen>	trying to decide if I should set up my own IRCD or not...
[03:29:13] <Annemarie>	Most wikis don't have enough activity to warrant it.
[03:29:24] <Annemarie>	An RSS feed in your bookmarks bar is usually sufficient.
[03:40:51] <tomas1>	ok i tryed those options but it dont work
[04:19:40] <CIA-12>	03tstarling * r56862 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (5 files): (log message trimmed)
[04:19:40] <CIA-12>	Fixes for TitleCleanup subclasses:
[04:19:40] <CIA-12>	* (r56711) Don't use unbufferred queries unless someone is holding a gun to your head, they cause no end of trouble. Use batched queries instead. Should fix the bug reported on bug 20741 comment 13.
[04:19:40] <CIA-12>	* Fixed a bug in cleanupTitles.php which caused it to fail to convert spaces in page_title to underscores, possibly caused by r6355.
[04:19:41] <CIA-12>	* Made cleanupWatchlist.php respect "--fix" as documented
[04:19:43] <CIA-12>	* Made runTable accept a parameter array instead of an ever-growing formal parameter list
[04:19:45] <CIA-12>	* Renamed processPage() to more accurate processRow(). Removed abstract function definition since the name of the function can be overridden.
[04:20:20] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56863 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Added previousBlockCheck() function
[04:21:10] <AaronSchulz>	:)
[04:22:45] <CIA-12>	03tstarling * r56864 10/branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Merged r56862 from trunk
[04:34:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Unable to add category when it exist in text already - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20792 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (lord.god.jinnai)
[04:39:12] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56865 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Missing return in r56863
[04:56:00] <tomas1>	hey guys can someone tell me what the problem is with this page http://thehub.ath.cx/wiki/Rollercoaster_Tycoon
[04:56:54] <charitwo>	some incorrect syntax here http://thehub.ath.cx/wiki/Template:Infobox_VG
[04:57:06] <tomas1>	ok so what do i do
[04:57:33] <p858snake_>	did you export the template from wikipedia or copy and paste?
[04:57:53] <tomas1>	exported using Special:Export
[05:00:06] <tomas1>	i even redid the export and import thing and still same issue
[05:00:45] <p858snake_>	do you have tidy enabled and paserfunctions installed?
[05:00:53] <tomas1>	yes i do
[05:02:14] <p858snake_>	oh, you have been hit by the libxml (name?) bug
[05:02:26] <p858snake_>	you will have to manually copy the templates onto your wiki
[05:02:28] <tomas1>	ok how do i fix that problem
[05:02:36] <tomas1>	but others work
[05:03:56] <tomas1>	as i have now tryed to manally copy it from wikipedia and it still dont work
[05:04:24] <p858snake_>	when copying and pasteing, you have to make sure you update all the templates not just the infobox one
[05:04:46] <tomas1>	whats <noinclude>
[05:05:30] <p858snake_>	it tells it to not include what ever in it's tags
[05:06:07] <tomas1>	ok so how do i go around fixing this problem as my Infobox OS works fine
[05:06:41] <p858snake_>	you need to fix all the broken templates
[05:06:42] <p858snake_>	the libxml bug will be fixed (or at least) worked around in the next version - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554
[05:07:05] <p858snake_>	you will find that their will be missing carrot brackets ( < > ) within the template codings
[05:07:10] <tomas1>	when does that come arround
[05:07:29] <tomas1>	but i have deleted and reimported it so many times
[05:07:40] <p858snake_>	you need to do it MANUALLY
[05:07:48] <p858snake_>	theres a bug with the importer system
[05:08:37] *p858snake_ 	pokes Splarka
[05:08:39] <tomas1>	so type it
[05:08:54] <p858snake_>	type it/copy and paste ect
[05:08:57] <tomas1>	because i went and copyed and pasted the code from wp to my own one
[05:09:10] <Splarka>	ow
[05:09:19] <Splarka>	wat, is he getting <> &lt;&gt;'d?
[05:09:34] <Splarka>	or just totally gone?
[05:09:41] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56866 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/ (2 files in 2 dirs): show # of reviews at ratedpages
[05:10:00] <tomas1>	i dont understand
[05:10:54] <tomas1>	go to http://thehub.ath.cx/wiki/Rollercoaster_Tycoon and you will see
[05:11:01] <tomas1>	i still get the same error
[05:11:20] <p858snake_>	Splarka: completly stripping them
[05:11:45] <tomas1>	i have copy and pasted the code i have exported and imported it and still the same problem
[05:16:13] <tomas1>	any onew
[05:16:22] <p858snake_>	fixed all 25 templates that the infobox uses?
[05:16:43] <tomas1>	how do you think i should do that
[05:16:59] <tomas1>	as if you go to http://thehub.ath.cx/wiki/Windows the info box works there
[05:18:48] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Create Portal namespace of Bengali wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20314  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:20:22] <tomas1>	this sucks
[05:21:54] <p858snake_>	you need to fix all the templates that it called, which i believe i have no donw
[05:21:56] <p858snake_>	*done
[05:22:35] <tomas1>	its working thank you
[05:33:33] <p858snake_>	No really! never would of guessed! maybe if he did what i said at the start about manually fixing >.<
[05:39:00] <CIA-12>	03tstarling * r56867 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/namespaceDupes.php: Fix total breakage of namespaceDupes.php due to r55591: undefined variable $prefix leads to SQL query error in resolveConflictOn()
[05:40:39] <CIA-12>	03tstarling * r56868 10/branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Merging r56867 from trunk
[05:50:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create Portal namespace of Bengali wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20314  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:54:28] <needhelp1>	for some reason my favicon isnt showing up. i updated it to root and its all lower case favicon.ico
[05:54:35] <needhelp1>	any ideas? ive cleared my cache and all
[05:55:00] <Splarka>	can you access yourdomain.com/favicon.ico directly?
[05:55:23] <needhelp1>	yes
[05:55:29] <needhelp1>	it shows up.. its 32x32
[05:57:23] <needhelp1>	well its
[05:57:33] <needhelp1>	yourdomain.com/wiki/favicon.ico
[05:58:29] <needhelp1>	any other idea
[05:58:31] <Nikerabbit>	either set it to domain root or update $wgFavicon to correct location
[05:58:44] <needhelp1>	well MW is installed in /wiki/
[05:58:48] <needhelp1>	so that should be right.. correct?
[05:58:51] <Splarka>	no
[05:59:05] <Splarka>	favicon defaults to domain root
[05:59:11] <needhelp1>	ohhh..
[05:59:22] <needhelp1>	ok ill try that
[05:59:27] <Splarka>	it is configurable in mediawiki but I bet ya didn't do that, heh
[05:59:45] <needhelp1>	i did read about adding the setting localsettings.php
[05:59:50] <needhelp1>	it was my next step 
[06:01:06] <needhelp1>	hum..
[06:01:09] <needhelp1>	still no luck
[06:01:41] <p858snake_>	it will be mostlikely cached by yur local browser
[06:02:19] <needhelp1>	ive attempted clearing my cache and del cookies.. if thats what you mean
[06:03:42] <needhelp1>	p858snake_: is that what you meant?
[06:04:30] <Splarka>	it might also not be something your browser can interpret as a favicon, does it work if you stick it at yourdomain.com/favicon.ico and go to yourdomain.com/foobar ?
[06:05:31] <needhelp1>	well.. when i go to mydomain.com/favicon.ico .. it works and shows up
[06:05:34] <needhelp1>	but anything else no
[06:06:01] <Splarka>	k, then it probably isn't a valid ico file
[06:06:14] <needhelp1>	?
[06:06:29] <Splarka>	"then it probably isn't a valid ico file"
[06:06:43] <needhelp1>	can you elaborate 
[06:07:02] <Splarka>	http://filext.com/file-extension/ICO
[06:08:12] <needhelp1>	well i mean i saved it with gimp as an .ico   .. and 
[06:08:21] <needhelp1>	it went to save file as icon .. blah blah 
[06:09:37] <Alphos>	iirc, .ico saved by gimp don't work properly as favicons
[06:10:09] <Alphos>	on the other hand, you can specify a favicon in your html head
[06:10:20] <Alphos>	even a .png favicon
[06:10:53] <needhelp1>	lol.. wonder what i could use to save an image on nix as a .ico that would work
[06:11:11] <needhelp1>	tuxpaint  lolol
[06:11:18] <afraidoftrees>	if you save it as a bmp and call it .ico, i think IE will read it
[06:11:20] <Alphos>	<link rel="shortcut icon" href="favicon.png" /> in <head></head> will work perfectly
[06:11:22] <afraidoftrees>	and probably others
[06:11:46] <Alphos>	or .ico, .gif (in the late generation of browsers)
[06:11:53] <Alphos>	*latest
[06:11:57] <Splarka>	mmm, anim gif favicons
[06:12:13] <Alphos>	i don't know if .gif will work on ie8 though
[06:12:14] *Splarka 	waves a spruce at river
[06:12:32] <Alphos>	hard to know if it's really a latest gen browser :p
[06:12:34] <needhelp1>	anim at a whopping 32x32 pixels 
[06:12:57] <Alphos>	up to 48x108 or something like that
[06:13:28] <Splarka>	Alphos: it is latest gen, but inbred and incesty
[06:13:33] <Alphos>	XDDDDD
[06:14:01] <Alphos>	you do know incesty gives inbred, right ? :p
[06:14:26] <Splarka>	"inbred" generally means more than one generation of inbreeding
[06:14:55] <Alphos>	to be accurate, needhelp1, *NIX-saved .ico will never work
[06:15:09] <needhelp1>	whys that Alphos
[06:15:29] <Alphos>	and gimp-saved .ico won't work either, even when windows-version gimp was used
[06:15:31] <Alphos>	uh
[06:15:36] <Alphos>	do i have to answer that ? ^^'
[06:15:55] <Splarka>	Alphos: try not to get involved in arguments with him, you won't wi n
[06:16:01] <Alphos>	crosoft was the leading os dev when favicon appeared
[06:16:10] <Alphos>	their specs were the ones used
[06:16:13] <needhelp1>	Splarka: arguments with me?
[06:16:24] <sdv>	Hi! An one question (which is short but very important to my extension)? How much table revision rev_id and the corresponding $oldid is unique? Does it never have repeated value, even on page deletions and so on? Can I rely on that as an reliable unique number?
[06:16:27] <Alphos>	and for some reason, other .ico just won't work
[06:16:44] <Alphos>	sdv yes
[06:16:54] <Alphos>	basic autoincrement
[06:17:00] <sdv>	Alphos: thanks
[06:17:11] <Splarka>	note however the id is not always sequential, the "top" revision and general revision order goes by date
[06:17:14] <Alphos>	pages histories would be so fucked otherwise
[06:17:58] <Splarka>	eg: revisions deleted before unique revision IDs existed, and later undeleted, will get a new revision ID
[06:18:00] <sdv>	Splarka, Alphos: thanks. I also store page_touched, so that probably should not be a problem
[06:18:34] <sdv>	Splarka: ok, a different, yet unique. that;s ok. that's what I need.
[06:20:42] <needhelp1>	so is a feature release coming soon?
[06:20:59] <needhelp1>	all the improvements from the UI .. when will these be added to core?
[06:21:04] <victori>	what would you use to get source code formatting in mediawiki?
[06:21:49] <Alphos>	victori : geshi extension
[06:21:50] <Alphos>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[06:22:02] <Alphos>	needhelp1 : soon enough
[06:22:25] <victori>	Alphos thanks
[06:23:17] <Alphos>	you're welcome :)
[06:25:34] <sdv>	needhelp1: these are not all improvements. they are merging the phase2 of improvements and there is a third phase in the future plans. (A*, B*, C*) codenamed after some exotic fruits, I think..
[06:26:10] <sdv>	needhelp1: I don't remember the fruit names (these are rare and I am not native english speaker)
[06:26:16] <Alphos>	A�ai
[06:26:27] <sdv>	ok
[06:26:32] <needhelp1>	sdv whats your primary language 
[06:26:32] <Alphos>	i've seen the B.* but don't quite remember it ^^'
[06:26:46] <sdv>	needhelp1: Russian
[06:26:48] <Alphos>	russian
[06:26:50] <Alphos>	yay
[06:26:58] <Alphos>	/whois is sometimes useful :)
[06:27:12] <sdv>	I should change the nickname.
[06:27:12] <Splarka>	Babaco?
[06:27:24] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fruit
[06:27:28] <Alphos>	Splarka :yep
[06:27:49] <Splarka>	what will they do when they get to I... ilama or irwin?
[06:28:01] <Alphos>	Ilang-ilang ? :p
[06:28:19] <Alphos>	Iam ? :D
[06:28:37] <QuestPC>	yeah, irc is entertaining and fun but I must get to work.. finansical crisis :-(
[06:28:38] <Alphos>	(yeah, i know, Y... :p )
[06:29:02] <Alphos>	irc is entertaining and fun, but i don't have a work to go to... financial crisis :(
[06:30:31] <victori>	odd
[06:30:46] <victori>	I enabled the syntax highlighter though code isn't highlightered with the source tags
[06:30:59] *Splarka 	is being paid by a shadow corporation to socially enginner IRC channels into havens of open source tech support and fart jokes
[06:31:12] <Splarka>	victori: did you also install geshi?
[06:31:22] <victori>	I thought it came with the geshi plugin
[06:31:37] <victori>	looks like it does
[06:33:08] <p858snake_>	wait... wasn't needhelp1 banned from in here or was that another person?
[06:34:27] <Splarka>	p858snake_: no, that was tyw7
[06:34:49] <Splarka>	needhelp is harmless: http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3Cneedhelp1%3E.*back.*end
[06:38:02] <Emufarmers>	Well, by that measure tyw7 is harmless too.
[06:38:50] <Emufarmers>	It does seem like there's been an increase in the number of persistent (and persistently) stupid people coming in here.
[06:38:57] <Emufarmers>	And most of them aren't me. :v
[06:39:13] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3Ctyw7
[06:39:33] <Splarka>	I think he's about an order of magnitude more stupid than needhelp1
[06:39:53] <Alphos>	victori : go to Special:Version on your wiki
[06:40:09] <Alphos>	and see if the extension syntaxhighlight_geshi is installed
[06:40:11] <Emufarmers>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3Cneedhelp1 needhelp1 has quantity
[06:40:17] <Alphos>	maybe you forgot a step
[06:41:02] <Emufarmers>	And tyw7 is annoying enough to get banned; anybody who's less annoying than that is more annoying, in a sense. ^_^
[06:41:24] <victori>	Alphos k
[06:41:32] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=%3CEmufarmers%3E.*\(:v\|v:\)
[06:41:52] <Emufarmers>	:v
[06:41:53] <Emufarmers>	2009-06-24 [16:07:09] <Emufarmers>	vvv: oh
[06:41:57] <victori>	Alphos what should I look for specifically?
[06:42:14] <Alphos>	victori : could you give me the link ?
[06:42:21] <victori>	http://doc.uploadbooth.com/wiki/Special:Version
[06:42:23] <Splarka>	Emufarmers: were you addressing vvv or feeling triple-beaked?
[06:42:33] <Emufarmers>	The former, it seems
[06:42:43] <Emufarmers>	Also, Special:Version shows up for that, heh
[06:43:03] <Alphos>	hm, extensions not shown...
[06:43:24] <Alphos>	victori : did you add the line for geshi in your LocalSettings.php ?
[06:43:45] <victori>	Alphos I fixed it by placing the extension hooks after DefaultSettings.php
[06:43:54] <victori>	Alphos thanks for that tip special:version
[06:44:09] <Nikerabbit>	geshi problems?
[06:44:13] <Alphos>	something like require_once("$IP/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/SyntaxHighlightGeSHi.php"); or something like that
[06:44:41] <Alphos>	yep, looks like it's installed victori
[06:44:45] <Alphos>	should work :)
[06:44:46] <victori>	ya I had that but before defaultsettings, which apparently did not load it
[06:44:59] <victori>	the docs did not mention you have to add the hooks after defaultsettings
[06:45:29] <Alphos>	and it works ;)
[06:45:59] <Nikerabbit>	no point mentioning it in every extension
[06:46:12] <Emufarmers>	Hmm, the default LocalSettings.php should probably have //ADD THINGS AFTER require_onceblahblahblah at the top
[06:46:21] <victori>	hmm while I am on the topic of extensions, any recommendation extensions aside from geshi and blacklist?
[06:46:57] <Emufarmers>	or I suppose it would be simpler just to say to add them at the bottom
[06:47:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) When <br> or return characters are removed then the diff displays &nbsp; - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20793 major; Normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (kevinjduke)
[06:49:06] <Alphos>	victori : checkuser, replacetext, charinsert, cite, parserfunctions
[06:49:13] <Alphos>	abuse filter too
[06:49:18] <victori>	thanks
[07:00:03] <Hintswen>	:( I think my webhost is blocking all the ports I try using for the recent changed UDP thing
[07:04:07] <Nikerabbit>	ingoing or outgoing?
[07:04:44] <Hintswen>	outgoing
[07:05:03] <Hintswen>	wiki hosted there, running the IRC Script on a VPS somwehere else
[07:07:05] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[07:07:08] <Nikerabbit>	that might be
[07:07:13] <Nikerabbit>	works for me anyway :)
[07:07:15] <Hintswen>	maybe i'll try a lower port number when i get home
[07:12:41] <Hintswen>	tried lower prot number, still didnt work guess they block everything
[07:13:02] <Hintswen>	anyway gonna go home, cyaz
[07:18:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) When <br> or return characters are removed then the diff displays &nbsp; - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20793  (10kevinjduke)
[07:26:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Looking for a missing email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20772  (10grin)
[07:49:56] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special:PrefixIndex and Special:AllPages have wrong ordering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19279  (10anon.hui)
[07:51:27] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special:PrefixIndex and Special:AllPages have wrong ordering - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19279  +comment (10anon.hui)
[07:51:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10anon.hui)
[08:07:18] <CIA-12>	03midom * r56869 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/ConfirmEdit/FancyCaptcha.class.php: don't return 500s when user asks for invalid captcha
[08:11:15] <CIA-12>	03mkroetzsch * r56870 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_RefreshTab.php: updated refreshtab code for Vector skin
[08:12:33] <CIA-12>	03mkroetzsch * r56871 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_Messages.php: skin actions should be uppercase in German
[08:13:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10anon.hui)
[08:15:33] <sagaci>	is 1.16.x being released soon
[08:15:39] <Nikerabbit>	no
[08:15:47] <sagaci>	later?
[08:16:02] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[08:16:48] <sagaci>	when, roughly
[08:21:28] <p858snake_>	after 1.15.1 but before 1.17.0
[08:21:48] <Nikerabbit>	sagaci: in this year for sure
[08:21:52] <Nikerabbit>	maybe in a month or two
[08:22:06] <Nikerabbit>	if something special happens, maybe a little sooner
[08:23:20] <sagaci>	kk ty
[08:36:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10catlow)
[08:39:04] *domas 	giggles at 164
[08:43:24] <TimStarling>	just did a mega-post to wikitech-l
[08:44:34] *Splarka 	clooks
[08:45:02] <Splarka>	not showing up on lists.wm yet?
[08:45:04] <guillom>	about js2?
[08:45:27] <guillom>	ah, yes
[08:45:28] <Splarka>	oh, right http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-September/045334.html
[08:45:31] <TimStarling>	http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/45661
[08:46:30] <Splarka>	client side guru? you mean I bitch loudest on behalf of the users? heh
[08:49:35] <Splarka>	hmm, if you keep wikibits.js in the head, it might be useful to fork that into two files... helper functions (about half of it) and stuff-that-happens-on-load (mostly sortable tables, onload hooks, etc)
[08:49:49] <Splarka>	the latter of which could be at the foot
[08:50:33] <TimStarling>	yes
[08:55:30] <Splarka>	hmm, I'd favor having user/site js in the footer but kept in the same overall load order...though I can imagine it would Break Stuff (tm), but if you structured for it to be mobile then maybe it could slowly be migrated there... hmm...
[08:56:16] <Splarka>	things that might prevent it working now would be weird inline function calls, like on the edit page addButton()
[08:56:39] <Splarka>	right now, the user .js is positioned such that you can redefine that function and play around with it, heh
[08:57:34] *Splarka 	gets headachy
[08:58:44] <Splarka>	Tim: annoyingly, you'll only get a lot of useful opinions/suggestions/threats after you start breaking stuff
[08:59:37] <Splarka>	er, from the masses, not just a few list watchers
[08:59:54] <TimStarling>	I'm not really expecting much, I just wrote it because trevor asked for it
[09:00:40] <TimStarling>	I had an idea, that user JS could have a tag that places it in the footer or header
[09:00:52] <Splarka>	there is just really no perfect solution to allow unlimited cramming of more css/js
[09:00:55] <TimStarling>	 /*__MW_HEADER__ */
[09:01:12] <Splarka>	hmm, could be a user preference
[09:01:18] <Splarka>	[x] load me in the header
[09:01:24] <TimStarling>	could be
[09:01:32] <Splarka>	if present, the user css is loaded via <script src=""> directly
[09:01:59] <Splarka>	if not, the url of that <script> uses an importScriptURI() on addOnloadHook()
[09:02:04] <Splarka>	(lazy method)
[09:02:18] <TimStarling>	you mean user js
[09:02:32] <Splarka>	er yah
[09:02:40] <TimStarling>	but point taken
[09:03:47] <Splarka>	what are your current "must do" projects for WMF? would this take precedence to squeeze into 1.16 if it gets some approval/love?
[09:04:39] <TimStarling>	I'd be very unhappy if it wasn't in 1.16
[09:05:04] <TimStarling>	but I should get a move on and write the thing
[09:05:08] <Splarka>	2.0?
[09:05:22] <TimStarling>	once I've got a good design, it won't take long, I can type fast
[09:05:25] <Splarka>	twice a week people ask "isn't 1.5 the newest?"
[09:07:48] <Splarka>	one nice thing about user css/js so far has been the openness (until gadgets came along)
[09:15:44] <Splarka>	ehm, I guess great care would have to be taken to make sure you get no private info
[09:15:44] <Splarka>	anything in preferences could probably be considered private, mostly because nobody else can see it
[09:16:12] <Splarka>	and of course, can't allow circumvention of 'read' restrictions simply by spoofing users
[09:16:32] <TimStarling>	I'd appreciate it if you could put your thoughts on load order and anything else relevant into a wikitech-l reply
[09:17:14] <Splarka>	this email fad will never catch on
[09:17:22] <TimStarling>	if you just tell me here then Trevor and Michael won't see it
[09:17:54] <Splarka>	sure, the Queen of England sends an email in 1976 and suddenly everyone things it's "cool"
[09:18:21] <TimStarling>	have to go do some housework
[09:18:31] <Splarka>	whipped!
[09:18:49] *Splarka 	looks around for someone to paste the scrollback to wikitech-l...
[09:28:42] <CIA-12>	03nad * r56872 10/trunk/extensions/RecordAdmin/ (RecordAdmin.php RecordAdmin_body.php): fix bug preventing records with entities in name working in multiselects
[09:45:39] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Unable to add category when it exist in text already - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20792  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[09:58:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add link to user contributions to list entries in Special:ActiveUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20794 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[10:17:43] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) When <br> or return characters are removed then the diff displays &nbsp; - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20793  +comment (10hartman)
[10:35:40] *belZe- 	sends hordes of lemmings over antischocke
[10:37:57] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: :o ?
[10:38:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add oasis opendocument and oo.o legacy document to mime.types - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17497  (10anon.hui)
[10:38:56] <antischocke>	hi, yesterday i tried to download the extension for lockdown (MW 1.3), but it didn't work. i only download a 0 kb file and can't open it, can someone help me please?
[10:40:35] <Nikerabbit>	nope
[10:41:08] <MaxSem>	antischocke, MediaWiki 1.3 is dead and buried
[10:41:25] <MaxSem>	you shouldn't any extensions to work with it
[10:41:39] <MaxSem>	you need to upgrade
[10:42:48] <antischocke>	ok
[10:42:58] <antischocke>	so i will upgrade mediawiki first
[10:43:17] <antischocke>	you think that lockdown extension will work fine after upgrade?
[10:44:02] <MaxSem>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown recommends at least 1.13
[10:44:27] <antischocke>	ok
[10:44:55] <antischocke>	thanks
[10:45:01] <MaxSem>	antischocke, but first - what did you say about an empty file?
[10:45:10] <MaxSem>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Lockdown/Lockdown.php
[10:45:22] <MaxSem>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Lockdown/Lockdown.i18n.php
[10:45:43] <MaxSem>	you need these two
[10:45:59] <antischocke>	ok
[10:47:33] <antischocke>	but you think it's better to upgrade first?
[10:47:38] <p858snake_>	yes...
[10:51:32] <antischocke>	the lockdown extension doesn't work, when i try to open special sites, he show me an error
[10:51:39] <New_Nick>	Hi
[10:59:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search within history of articles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10643  +comment (10anon.hui)
[11:04:12] <MaxSem>	antischocke, "doesn't work" and "an error" make no sense. if you expect assistance, you'll need to provide full information
[11:04:43] <antischocke>	i get this
[11:04:44] <antischocke>	Warning: MessageCache::require(Lockdown.i18n.php) [function.MessageCache-require]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/wiki/includes/MessageCache.php on line 813
[11:04:44] <antischocke>	Fatal error: MessageCache::require() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'Lockdown.i18n.php' (include_path='/var/www/wiki:/var/www/wiki/includes:/var/www/wiki/languages:.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/wiki/includes/MessageCache.php on line 813
[11:08:06] <antischocke>	ok a friend fix the problem
[11:08:10] <antischocke>	@ belze :D
[11:13:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale (sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10anon.hui)
[11:19:02] *domas 	reads http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla/collation_by_locale
[11:19:03] <domas>	lol
[11:19:08] <domas>	equires massive MySQL upgrade. The upgrade from MySQL 4.0 to 5.x requires repairing some tables. From my experience, upgrading from MySQL 4.0.20 to 5.0.22 may crash the table searchindex, if it is not properly upgraded. --Ans 09:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
[11:20:33] <Reedy>	domas, so we cant just replace mysql 4 with mysql 5 and expect it to work? ;P
[11:22:00] <domas>	actually, we have quite a few mysql5 servers running
[11:22:00] <domas>	;-)
[11:22:32] <domas>	but the fun part in that quote
[11:22:37] <domas>	is that we don't even use 'searchindex'
[11:22:39] <domas>	:))
[11:22:43] <Reedy>	haha
[11:22:45] <Reedy>	get owned
[11:23:07] <Reedy>	cause we use lucene/whatever?
[11:23:10] <domas>	yep
[11:23:19] <domas>	also, we always use rolling upgrades
[11:23:26] <domas>	on the other hand
[11:23:30] <domas>	people who discuss collations there
[11:23:36] <domas>	have no idea how difficult to implement it right
[11:23:51] <Reedy>	just block them :D
[11:24:30] <Splarka>	block them alphabetically?
[11:25:46] <MaxSem>	yes, .*
[11:29:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Browse doesn't show attribute labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20795 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (rw)
[11:39:14] <alecjcook>	I am having a problem with   /config/index.php
[11:39:14] <alecjcook>	I am receiving the following error   Parse error: parse error, expecting `T_STRING' in C:\wamp\www\wikipedia\includes\Namespace.php on line 46
[11:39:14] <alecjcook>	PHP Version: 5.3.0
[11:39:14] <alecjcook>	MySQL Version: 5.1.36
[11:39:14] <alecjcook>	MediaWiki: 1.9.3
[11:39:16] <alecjcook>	Cheers!
[11:40:05] <CIA-12>	03raymond * r56873 10/trunk/extensions/ReaderFeedback/specialpages/RatedPages_body.php: 
[11:40:05] <CIA-12>	Follow-up r56866: Add formatNum for the new message
[11:40:05] <CIA-12>	And use a few more nice XML functions because :)
[11:40:31] <ireas>	hi
[11:53:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Incorrect date property - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20796 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (ad.strackvanschijndel)
[12:26:22] <kevindanko>	anyone good with wiki tables?
[12:26:37] <LauraHale>	Not me.
[12:27:04] <kevindanko>	:-\
[12:27:07] <LauraHale>	http://www.uni-bonn.de/~manfear/html2wiki-tables.php is my friend
[12:45:59] <JosefAssad>	'ello
[12:46:55] <JosefAssad>	I've gotten a question about a user who managed to lock himself out of a MW system which I din't even have admin access to (don't ask) so I thought to describe the symptoms here to see if it even sounds logical to anyone
[12:47:55] <JosefAssad>	We have MW authenticating up against an Active Directory box. So this user went into preferences and set his signature to whatever, and now he's locked out of the wiki. Does that make any sense to anyone? What would the signature have to do with access?
[12:50:25] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r56874 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt includes/Login.php): Add new hook, AbortNewAccountAuto, to abort account creations from AuthPlugin- or ExtUser-driven requests.
[12:54:37] <peleg>	Hello. For 2 hours now I am trying to create a simple template for a collapsible list. I can't manage to work with wikipedia's one, so I tried to create my own simple js-based collapsible div.
[12:55:53] <peleg>	The thing I can't manage to do is creating the <a href='javascript:;'> thing. Mediawiki does not allow that tag. So I installed an extension that allows <anchor> tags, but it takes the {{{1}}} inside and puts it literally, instead of parsing it as usual. I'm stuck. Any suggestions?
[12:56:30] <kevindanko>	{{1}}?
[12:57:27] <peleg>	kevindanko, as I said, it is a template. {{{1}}} should be parsed to be the first paramater that this template retrieves.
[13:01:56] <webczat>	Hey.
[13:02:12] <webczat>	How to add links to the mediawiki pages? I mean, I want to have forum link in all pages.
[13:02:25] <peleg>	But I can accept any suggestion for an existing collapsible list, if you know one...
[13:11:41] <peleg>	A lighter question: how do I escape a | in mediawiki? I want one template to ignore it and pass it as a sign to another template, that will indeed use it.
[13:13:10] <MaxSem>	peleg, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:!&action=edit
[13:13:29] <peleg>	MaxSem, thanks
[13:14:30] <MaxSem>	!sidebar | webczat
[13:14:30] --mwbot--	webczat: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[13:17:45] <peleg>	MaxSem, it passes | to the second template indeed, but in that template it is not used as a separator between parameters, but literally as |. It is "almost" what I need... :)
[13:18:19] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56875 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/check-blacklist.php: Update check-blacklist for LiquidThreads
[13:21:18] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56876 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: Update quotes (single to double)
[13:24:32] <kevindanko>	Anyone know of a good tooltip extension?
[13:27:04] <kevindanko>	that will allow me to embed links in it?
[13:32:24] <CIA-12>	03rotem * r56877 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[13:33:36] <CIA-12>	03thomasv * r56878 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: fix: Parser::replaceVariables() has a side effect
[13:35:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTTP 500 while submitting some page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20198  (10zanhsieh)
[13:36:20] <CIA-12>	03rotem * r56879 10/trunk/extensions/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Localization update for he.
[13:39:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) HTTP 500 while submitting some page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20198  -shell  (10innocentkiller)
[13:43:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable the AbuseFilter on the Bavarian Wikipedia [barwiki] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20515  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[13:54:28] <tombin>	I"m using fckeditor with mediawiki, is there a reason when i preview the page, all the <span> tags are viewable and not parsed?
[13:58:32] <AryehGregor>	I dunno.  Probably because it doesn't work very well.  There's a reason Wikipedia hasn't deployed it.  :)
[13:58:40] <AryehGregor>	Nor has Wikia, mostly, AFAIK.  (Or maybe opt-in or something?)
[13:59:01] <tombin>	Is there something comparable to it?
[13:59:19] <AryehGregor>	FCKeditor is the best WYSIWYG there is for MW, AFAIK.
[13:59:23] <tombin>	I just want to be able to cut n paste from MS word
[13:59:31] <AryehGregor>	There's no good WYSIWYG because of our horrible wikitext.
[13:59:39] <tombin>	:(
[13:59:51] <AryehGregor>	Some other wiki packages have much better WYSIWYG support.
[14:24:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special page for listing redirect loops - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20681  (10macarenor)
[14:36:09] <CIA-12>	03rotem * r56880 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Localization update.
[14:45:01] <peleg>	Is there an extension that forces every link of the form [[bla (city)]] to behave as if it was [[bla (city)|bla]] ?
[14:46:05] <Platonides>	there's the pipe trick
[14:46:19] <peleg>	which works how?
[14:46:20] <Platonides>	if you write [[bla (city)|]] it gets saved as  [[bla (city)|bla]] 
[14:46:38] <peleg>	hmm. I see. thanks
[14:47:12] <Platonides>	you could create an extension for that, but i don't think anyone has done such thing yet
[14:47:32] <peleg>	Platonides, problem; that does not work through templates.
[14:48:00] <Platonides>	?
[14:48:16] <peleg>	for example: my template has [[{{{1}}}
[14:48:18] <peleg>	for example: my template has [[{{{1}}}]]
[14:48:42] <peleg>	and I send as a parameter: bla (city){{!}}
[14:48:47] <peleg>	that does not work.
[14:49:00] <peleg>	of course, bla (city)| won't work either...
[14:50:07] <exercicios>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShowHide is this stable?
[14:50:14] <AryehGregor>	Who knows?
[14:50:17] <peleg>	I believe such an extension will be awful to build...
[14:50:23] <AryehGregor>	Stuff on mediawiki.org is strictly caveat emptor.
[14:50:35] <AryehGregor>	(or, um, downloadator or whatever)
[14:50:48] <AryehGregor>	It's a wiki, anyone can put whatever broken nonsense they want up there.
[14:50:54] <Platonides>	exercicios, it looks horrible
[14:51:16] <Platonides>	strpos($out,"&lt;show&gt;") is not the way to create a tag extension
[14:51:35] <AryehGregor>	lolwtf.
[14:52:34] <Platonides>	that extension is really old
[14:52:50] <Platonides>	it excuses the author at least partially
[14:53:10] <Platonides>	I wouldn't use that extension "as is", though
[14:56:02] <peleg>	Is there an extension that modifies data inside [[...]] in general? That is, something that replaces spaces with underlines, etc. I can take one extension like this and modify it to my needs.
[14:56:36] <peleg>	Or will it be easier to modify the parser itself??
[15:01:05] <RoanKattouw_away>	peleg: Or just do [[{{{1}}}|{{{2|{{{1}}}}}}]]
[15:01:44] <peleg>	RoanKattouw_away, but {{{2}}} is in use... that template recieves many parameters.
[15:02:02] <RoanKattouw_away>	OK, so use a named parameter
[15:02:13] <RoanKattouw_away>	You should probably have used named params to begin with if there are so many
[15:02:19] <peleg>	sure
[15:02:30] <peleg>	but that makes everything more difficult for the end-user.
[15:02:58] <peleg>	instead of putting city5=bla (city) he will have to do something like city5=bla    city5something=(city)
[15:04:41] <CIA-12>	03rotem * r56881 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (includes/MV_GlobalFunctions.php languages/MV_Messages.php): Removing parameter from messages 'mv_hours_singular', 'mv_minutes_singular', 'mv_seconds_singular' - does not seem to be necessary (must be 1).
[15:07:50] <exercicios>	ah
[15:07:55] <exercicios>	navbox does the same thing
[15:08:03] <exercicios>	it's on almost all wikipedia articles
[15:10:42] <CIA-12>	03rotem * r56882 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/NavigableTOC/NavigableTOC.i18n.php: Localization update for he.
[15:19:54] <Biny3>	updated to rev 56882 -- it seems that something between the last revision I ran and this one breaks LdapAuthentication.php plugin -- anyone have any solutions on how to fix it? :\
[15:20:39] <Biny3>	hmm guess its fixed now, odd!
[15:21:16] <Biny3>	it's just partially broken!
[15:21:44] <peleg>	Woohoo! works. I just added this line to the parser: $s = preg_replace("/\[\[([a-zA-Zא-ת ]+) \(([a-zA-Zא-ת ]+)\)\]\]/u","[[$1 ($2)|$1]]",$s);
[15:22:01] <peleg>	VERY nice. Do you recommend me to publish it somewhere in mediawiki.org ?
[15:25:17] <Biny3>	hohum.
[15:39:35] <RoanKattouw_away>	peleg: You mean it automatically turns [[Foo (bar)]] into [[Foo (bar)|Foo]], which is the equivalent of [[Foo (bar)|]] ?
[15:39:49] <RoanKattouw_away>	IMO that's overkill for fixing a misdesigned template
[15:40:31] <peleg>	RoanKattouw_away, it TREATS any [[Foo (bar)]] as if it was [[Foo (bar)|Foo]]
[15:40:47] <peleg>	it does not "turn" anything.
[15:41:23] <peleg>	RoanKattouw, what IMO stands for, btw?
[15:41:32] <MaxSem>	in my opinion
[15:41:35] <RoanKattouw>	In my opinion
[15:41:37] <peleg>	thanks :)
[15:41:59] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, it's interpretation, not transformation, true
[15:42:34] <peleg>	RoanKattouw, so, do you find it useful? It is really easy. I don't know if it fits wikipedia, since maybe some people want to leave the (...) in the presented link without doing [[foo (bar)|foo (bar)]]
[15:42:56] <RoanKattouw>	peleg: Actually, we do want and use that all over the place
[15:43:16] <peleg>	RoanKattouw, what do you mean by "that"?
[15:43:28] <RoanKattouw>	"This article is about Springfield, Illinois. For other towns named Springfield, see [[Springfield (disambiguation)]]"
[15:43:36] <peleg>	I see.
[15:43:43] <RoanKattouw>	(random made-up example of course)
[15:44:11] <peleg>	so, I don't need it, anyway, and it's much easier that way; and I will always have the option to leave the (...) by doing [[foo (bar)|foo (bar)]]...
[16:02:09] <victori>	how would you add those info wiki boxes in a wiki?
[16:02:30] <victori>	is that some extension?
[16:02:43] <RoanKattouw>	No, it's a template
[16:02:47] <RoanKattouw>	!templates
[16:02:47] --mwbot--	For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. See also: !templateproblems
[16:03:23] <victori>	RoanKattouw thanks
[16:23:24] <marineam1>	hi everybody - I've a custom NS "myNS" and a group "Partner". For a start I'd like to make this NS readable and writable only be users of the Partner group
[16:23:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801  +comment (10chrisipk)
[16:23:41] <marineam1>	I use the Lockdown extension
[16:25:01] <marineam1>	with for example: $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[108]['*'] = array('sysop', 'Partner');
[16:25:18] <marineam1>	sysop have access but not partners - don't understand why
[16:25:28] <marineam1>	does anybody have any idea?
[16:29:17] <marineam1>	ok forget it
[16:29:20] <marineam1>	I know why
[16:41:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set WP namespace alias to NS_PROJECT in Bengali wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20367  +comment (10rhalsell)
[16:43:41] <DanielTahar>	looking for comments... http://www.popolinx.com
[16:45:27] <brion>	mornin all
[16:45:44] <ireas>	DanielTahar, the wiki’s name is … hm … interesting ;)
[16:46:07] <DanielTahar>	yeah... i agree
[16:46:12] <DanielTahar>	gotta come up with something better i suppose
[16:48:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable �E-mail me when a page on my watchlist is changed� on Strategy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20513  +comment (10rhalsell)
[16:49:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Run namespaceDupes.php on bnwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20762  +comment (10rhalsell)
[16:54:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Give bureaucrats the ability to remove sysop rights at simplewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20271  +comment (10rhalsell)
[16:56:03] <Amgine>	Okay, let's try this again. 
[16:58:45] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set Portal namespace alias to NS_Portal in Bengali wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20761  +comment (10rhalsell)
[16:59:13] <Amgine>	Okay, so... FlaggedRevs: is there a way to prevent category add/removal until version is sighted? This interferes with Extension:DynamicPageList sort.
[16:59:16] <Tim-away>	RobH: run namespaceDupes.php bnwiki
[16:59:40] <RobH>	already did
[16:59:48] <RobH>	about 5 minutes ago
[16:59:54] <RobH>	does it need it again or you referencing that?
[17:00:02] <RobH>	Tim-away: ?
[17:00:25] <Tim-away>	no, just making sure, thanks
[17:00:30] <RobH>	cool =]
[17:00:50] <Tim-away>	did you see my comment on the bug report of the last bnwiki namespace change you made?
[17:01:53] <Tim-away>	there's a number of other wikis that are similarly screwed up now and will need to be fixed
[17:02:15] <Tim-away>	I did bnwiki already, but there's evidence of damage in the log in /home/wikipedia/logs/norotate/cleanupTitles.log
[17:03:02] <Tim-away>	that was bug 20314
[17:03:08] <Tim-away>	good night
[17:19:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Better Malayalam translation for Namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15829  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:25:21] <Newb`s>	Hi
[17:26:30] <Newb`s>	I've installed a mediawiki in me personnal space of my Internet Provider and I've got a problem
[17:26:31] <Amgine>	Bonjour, Newb`s
[17:26:41] <Newb`s>	Ah 
[17:26:47] <Newb`s>	si �a parle fran�ais �a sera plus simple
[17:26:50] <Newb`s>	donc
[17:27:11] <Newb`s>	Quand je veux effectuer une t�che d'administration
[17:27:23] <Newb`s>	je me mange un "Votre session de connexion semble avoir des probl�mes [...]"
[17:27:25] <Amgine>	Pardon, Je parle français en peu.
[17:27:31] <Newb`s>	et je ne peux rien faire
[17:27:34] <Newb`s>	arg
[17:27:35] <Newb`s>	ok
[17:27:43] <Newb`s>	So in english now :
[17:27:53] <Amgine>	I was listening in the other channel, to practice my reading.
[17:28:07] <Newb`s>	When I'm trying to do an administration stuff
[17:28:08] <Amgine>	You keep getting a problem with your login status.
[17:28:39] <Newb`s>	I've got a problem : wikimedia is saying that I've got connexion issues in my account
[17:28:57] <Newb`s>	Does anyone have an idea to resolve this problem?
[17:29:04] <Newb`s>	(Excuse me for my bad english)
[17:29:10] <Newb`s>	Amgine: ok
[17:29:19] <Amgine>	de rien.
[17:30:54] <Amgine>	Okay, I can't find the error message you're seeing.
[17:31:29] <Newb`s>	It's just a poor translation of the french error message that I have
[17:31:45] <Amgine>	Hopefully someone else here who knows more than I about MediaWiki can help you.
[17:31:47] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56883 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/ProofreadPage/ (7 files): Bring ProofreadPage up to date with trunk r56882 -- SQL issues resolved
[17:31:56] <peleg>	When results come back from a specific template, into a table, I get a <p> tag inside the <td>, but otherwise I don't get that <p> tag. What can cause this?
[17:32:34] <Amgine>	Whenever you attempt to perform an administrative task, you receive a message stating you have a connection problem.
[17:32:44] <peleg>	it kills my table's design. I can override this in CSS (td p { ... }) but that's quite silly to work like that...
[17:33:52] <cheech>	urgh
[17:33:57] <cheech>	can anyone help me make some wiki tables?
[17:34:05] <cheech>	i have a mockup however cant figure it out.
[17:34:32] <Newb`s>	Amgine: yes
[17:35:15] <Amgine>	<grumbles about new and improved software doing away with old kluges>
[17:36:01] <CIA-12>	03ialex * r56884 10/trunk/phase3/includes/OutputPage.php: Add new line after generating <script> calling mwScriptLoader.php for better source readability
[17:40:37] <Amgine>	Newb`s: When you get this error, are you unexpectedly logged out?
[17:41:22] <Newb`s>	no
[17:42:25] <Newb`s>	And this error happends every time that I perform an administrative task.
[17:42:49] <Newb`s>	And I can't modify anything
[17:43:24] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56885 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialActiveusers.php: bug 20794: show usertool links at activeusers
[17:44:48] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add link to user contributions to list entries in Special:ActiveUsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20794  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:44:54] <peleg>	Is there a way to present numbers (such as 350043) in a "nice way" (that is, 350,043) in mediawiki?
[17:45:03] <Amgine>	I am not finding anything specific to this problem at http://www.mediawiki.org/
[17:45:56] <Amgine>	I would hope someone in this channel can help you, Newb`s, but you could also try leaving a message at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk
[17:46:04] <Newb`s>	Amgine: I've got 2 differents messages
[17:47:34] <Newb`s>	Amgine: http://pastebin.com/d14f16a93 [+]
[17:47:41] <Amgine>	<looks>
[17:49:00] <Amgine>	Ah! The first is a session data problem.
[17:49:46] <Amgine>	So is the second. I believe I may be able to find something about this problem.
[17:50:31] <Newb`s>	ok 
[17:50:32] <Newb`s>	thanks
[17:50:50] <Amgine>	Okay, is this your own server?
[17:51:41] <Newb`s>	nop
[17:52:01] <Newb`s>	It's on my personnal space on my Internet Provider's servers
[17:52:11] <Newb`s>	(my Internet Provider is free.fr)
[17:53:04] <Amgine>	There may be a permissions problem on your Internet Provider's server. Here is a brief article about the issue: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_Symptoms#Sorry.21_We_could_not_process_your_edit_due_to_a_loss_of_session_data._Please_try_again._If_it_still_doesn.27t_work.2C_try_logging_out_and_logging_back_in.
[17:53:34] <Newb`s>	thanks
[17:54:15] <Amgine>	You are welcome. I hope you can talk to free.fr and solve this.
[17:54:24] <Newb`s>	haha
[17:54:52] <L1ker>	Hi, I need help with password recovery on ru.wiki.
[17:54:56] <Newb`s>	Free, I think, have a hacked php.ini :D
[17:55:05] <Newb`s>	And, I think, it's very ugly. :D
[17:55:33] <L1ker>	I don't have access to my old email anymore(or just forgot which one I used)
[17:55:37] <Newb`s>	thanks for all Amgine 
[17:55:50] <Amgine>	<grin>
[17:57:22] <L1ker>	Is there are someone from admins? I need assistance.
[17:57:42] <afraidoftrees>	L1ker: #wikimedia-tech
[17:57:48] <Ashik>	Lol =)
[17:57:55] <Amgine>	Mmm, no... 
[17:58:08] <Ashik>	#wikimedia-tech forwards him to #mediawiki =)
[17:58:13] <L1ker>	They direct me mediawiki
[17:58:21] <afraidoftrees>	no they didn't
[17:59:41] <L1ker>	ooh
[18:01:22] <L1ker>	What about my request?
[18:01:32] <afraidoftrees>	you need to be in #wikimedia-tech
[18:03:16] <Splarka>	peleg: {{formatnum:}}  -> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Formatting
[18:03:30] <peleg>	Splarka, thanks!
[18:03:57] <Splarka>	peleg, your template returning <p> might have excess whitespace, try removing linefeeds
[18:04:31] <Splarka>	<includeonly>stuff here</includeonly>{{#if:foo|bar}}<noinclude></noinclude>
[18:04:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RevisionDelete and rollback - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20372  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:05:50] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Structure 'revision delete' in Special:Log as in page history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20629  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:05:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add checkboxes for revision deletion on Special:Contributions, Special:DeletedContributions, Special:Undelete, and Special:Log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20189  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:06:58] <Alphos>	by the way, he left #wikimedia-tech on his own, no-one told him to try #mediawiki
[18:07:20] <Splarka>	Alphos: but ya mentioned it, don't confuse the peasants
[18:07:37] <Splarka>	(well, you mentioned it in a quote)
[18:07:39] <Alphos>	and he just came back with... shall i say distaste
[18:08:01] <afraidoftrees>	Alphos: that was a typo
[18:08:35] <Alphos>	maybe on bepo ?
[18:08:42] <afraidoftrees>	what?
[18:09:39] <Alphos>	in qwerty/qwertz and azerty, a and u are pretty far apart :)
[18:09:42] <Amgine>	L1ker: May I suggest another solution? If your account name is in use on several projects as your global account, you could probably request the old one be given back to you.
[18:19:27] <brion>	hmmm... think we need to be able to override the output dir for LU update
[18:19:43] <brion>	that way i can have it write to the master NFS but read from local copy
[18:21:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Oracle support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652  lowest->normal; +comment (10marcusminervino)
[18:27:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add sources and enable transwiki import for pt.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20552  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:31:43] <ThomasV>	hi brion; how log ago did you scap ?
[18:31:48] <Newb`s>	Amgine: ok, I fixed the problem
[18:32:08] <Newb`s>	Amgine: I just maked a ./sessions directory 
[18:32:11] <brion>	ThomasV: exact time will be at http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log :)
[18:32:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set up a logo for mhr.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19707  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:33:47] <brion>	ThomasV: everything working ok?
[18:33:53] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56886 10/trunk/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/ (LocalisationUpdate.class.php update.php): 
[18:33:53] <CIA-12>	Fixes for LocalisationUpdate:
[18:33:53] <CIA-12>	* fix regression from r56831 which broke --all mode (part of a regex disappeared mysteriously)
[18:33:53] <CIA-12>	* add --outdir option to override $wgLocalisationUpdateDirectory setting while we update
[18:34:17] <ThomasV>	there seems to be a bug with opera, I have to check; I just came back from voleyball
[18:34:22] <brion>	k
[18:34:52] <Newb`s>	Bye
[18:43:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add sources and enable transwiki import for pt.wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20552  (10heldergeovane)
[18:46:09] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56887 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/ (. LocalisationUpdate.class.php update.php): merge fixes from trunk
[18:56:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Global deleted image review for Commons admins - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14801  +comment (10chrisipk)
[19:15:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give bureaucrats the ability to remove sysop rights at simplewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20271  (10Juliancolton2)
[19:22:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Move subpages" option causes database query syntax error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20797 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (public)
[19:23:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give bureaucrats the ability to remove sysop rights at simplewiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20271  +comment (10rjd0060.wiki)
[19:26:11] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56888 10/trunk/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/update.php: disable memory limit
[19:27:13] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56889 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/ (. update.php): merge r56888
[19:27:41] <AaronSchulz>	wee
[19:27:44] <brion>	\o/
[19:27:57] <brion>	Amgine: still here? looks like we got AaronSchulz :D
[19:28:12] <brion>	Amgine had a question about how we store updates to links tables (especially categories) w/ flaggedrevs
[19:28:13] <Amgine>	Yes1
[19:28:34] <brion>	are we currently combining the stable and draft revs' links or do we just have the draft links?
[19:28:53] <Amgine>	<nods>
[19:29:21] <AaronSchulz>	draft
[19:29:23] <brion>	gotta run - i'll be back after lunch meeting
[19:29:59] <Amgine>	The issue with this, AaronSchulz, is that this allows pageblank vandals to change the category add date.
[19:30:37] <Amgine>	For Wikinews and other projects which use the DynamicPageList extension, this can cause problems with date sorts.
[19:30:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Move subpages" option causes database query syntax error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20797  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:32:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Move subpages" option causes database query syntax error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20797  +comment (10public)
[19:32:10] <Amgine>	Would it be possible to use stable category links, and then update with a sighted rev?
[19:32:52] <Splarka>	that'd be a bit annoying from a maintenace perspective
[19:33:04] <Splarka>	(like anon users who tag with {{fact}})
[19:33:39] <Skizzerz>	[citation needed]
[19:33:44] <Amgine>	Worse, Wikinews Main Page is completely based on the DPL.
[19:34:12] <Amgine>	(to show the latest published stories)
[19:34:25] <Splarka>	heh, I wonder if it could use shown cats from stable and hidden cats from draft
[19:34:30] <Splarka>	/h4x
[19:37:23] <Splarka>	a similar problem exists for int-fractured pages, currently the last person to view a page determines which links tables are populated... {{#ifeq:{{int:edit}}|Edit this page|[[DO YOU SPEAK IT???]]|[[Learn english kthx]]}}, I feel that a page should only populate links tables based on int: of content language, but that would require double paring for any page that contains int: and is viewed by a logged in user with a non content-language pref
[19:38:01] <Splarka>	a similar problem here, should each page be parsed twice for categories? if this is to be enabled on en.wp, you're... not helping performance >_<
[19:38:59] <Amgine>	Well, DPL isn't going to be on en.wp any time soon.
[19:39:07] <Amgine>	It's... not kind.
[19:39:17] <Splarka>	no, but flagged revs is
[19:39:26] <Amgine>	True.
[19:39:46] <Splarka>	and they'll have similar concerns in regards to category vandalism, I'd wager
[19:40:13] <Annemarie>	Haha
[19:40:18] <Annemarie>	FlaggedRevs is the new SUl.
[19:40:21] <Annemarie>	SUL
[19:40:28] <Annemarie>	Any day now.™
[19:40:48] <Amgine>	<gg>
[19:41:57] <Splarka>	flaggedrevs is the new flaggedrevs 
[19:42:04] <Splarka>	"any day now" == "never"
[19:43:00] <Splarka>	Amgine: so is flagged revs causing this problem because you're relaxing protection? because it seems like this problem would have been there with or without it, maybe you're just hoping it gives you a way to fix it?
[19:43:28] <Amgine>	I'm hoping it gives us a way to fix it.
[19:43:38] <Splarka>	perhaps an Abuse Filter that disallowed (and thus prevented) anon/noobs from removing categories
[19:44:03] <Amgine>	How is that done?
[19:44:15] <Splarka>	dunno, but I think the syntax would support it
[19:46:36] <Splarka>	hmm, or maybe not, but it shouldn't be impossible to add in...
[20:01:15] <exercicios>	I'm trying to add direct links to two categories in the toolbox, found the section in monobook but I don't understand php :(
[20:04:09] <Reedy>	you shouldnt need to edit the php files directly
[20:04:17] <Reedy>	Isnt there a MediaWiki page for that?
[20:05:10] <Reedy>	exercicios, MediaWiki:Toolbox
[20:06:13] <Splarka>	Reedy: that's the title for that section
[20:06:22] <Reedy>	meh
[20:06:24] <Reedy>	nearly there :P
[20:06:29] <Splarka>	!sidebar
[20:06:29] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[20:06:51] <Splarka>	you do have to abuse php or javascript to add to the toolbox, but you can add a section above/below it easily with Sidebar
[20:07:48] <Amgine>	The question being, why does one wish to add categories to the toolbox. Perhaps we should ask what the goal is first?
[20:20:06] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56890 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[20:20:06] <CIA-12>	* Use anon cache for link/sync checks when possible
[20:20:06] <CIA-12>	* Removed PHP4-ism
[20:21:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Type:date - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20259  (10markus)
[20:21:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Incorrect date property - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20796  (10markus)
[20:26:20] <Amgine>	Splarka: So is it possible to do the Abuse Filter hack?
[20:26:41] <Splarka>	I dunno, doesn't look like there is a variable for that, but maybe werdna could add one
[20:30:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Browse doesn't show attribute labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20795  (10N/A)
[20:30:31] <CIA-12>	03purodha * r56891 10/trunk/extensions/ExpandTemplates/ (ExpandTemplates.i18n.php ExpandTemplates_body.php): Allow user to supress <nowiki> tags in result.
[20:32:05] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56892 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: More cache consistency tweaks
[20:46:45] <CIA-12>	03btongminh * r56893 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ImagePage.php): (bug 14117) "redirected" from is now also shown on foreign file redirects
[20:47:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Image redirects from the shared repo don't show "redirected from" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14117  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[20:51:53] <CIA-12>	03mkroetzsch * r56894 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/SearchTriple/SMW_SpecialBrowse.php: avoid use of non-mb-safe strrev() function (this fixes Bug 20795)
[20:52:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Browse doesn't show attribute labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20795  (10markus)
[20:55:31] <Happy-melon>	I'm minded to add clear:both to the global CSS for the <form> element
[20:55:41] <Happy-melon>	can anyone think of situations where that wouldn't be a good idea?
[20:57:29] <Platonides>	wouldn't it affect the search box?
[20:57:57] <Platonides>	there could also be problems with some "magic article creation" boxes
[20:58:38] <Happy-melon>	doesn't look like it affects the search box
[20:58:56] <Happy-melon>	either it's being overridden by CSS with higher specificity, or it doesn't matter
[20:59:10] <Happy-melon>	haven't tested on all browsers, of course... :(
[21:00:15] <Happy-melon>	maybe I should just do it for HTMLForm constructs
[21:00:35] <Happy-melon>	then it would only affect Preferences, UserLogin and CreateAccount
[21:00:43] <Happy-melon>	for now... <evil laugh/>
[21:01:35] <Bryan>	file redirects are freaky
[21:02:09] <Bryan>	actually redirect handling is freaky in general
[21:04:01] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56895 10/trunk/phase3/ (27 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-24 20:48 UTC)
[21:18:47] <Amgine>	AaronSchulz: were you able to address the category add date problem?
[21:19:32] <AaronSchulz>	no, it's very unlikely to change
[21:19:51] <AaronSchulz>	I was just doing some optimizing :)
[21:20:35] <Amgine>	Okay, so that's not going to get fixed, how can we solve this?
[21:23:59] <brion>	hey duuuudes
[21:24:09] <AaronSchulz>	you can poke the abusefilter and werdna maybe
[21:24:33] <Amgine>	But doesn't that still leave this security hole in FlaggedRevs?
[21:24:45] <Amgine>	<waves @ brion>
[21:24:55] <AaronSchulz>	it's not a security hole
[21:25:05] <brion>	it's not a tumaaaah
[21:25:12] <AaronSchulz>	wtf is tumaaah?
[21:25:14] <AaronSchulz>	;)
[21:25:21] <Amgine>	<chuckles>
[21:25:47] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r56896 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[21:25:47] <CIA-12>	Improve HTMLForm's support for adding content in and around the form, to improve
[21:25:47] <CIA-12>	versatility. Groundwork for being able to validate, filter and submit the
[21:25:47] <CIA-12>	CreateAccount input via HTMLForm::trySubmit(), which will give extensions huge
[21:25:47] <CIA-12>	flexibility to play with the form input.
[21:25:50] <CIA-12>	Also change the wrapping on both forms to use a <fieldset>, which is visually
[21:25:52] <CIA-12>	more consistent with the other forms we have floating around the site. Add
[21:28:46] <AaronSchulz>	brion: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition :)
[21:31:06] <AaronSchulz>	"109 	Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack. "
[21:37:28] <Church_of_emacs>	It seems REVISIONID can't be subst'ed. Is there a specific reason, or hasn't it just been implemented yet?
[21:38:21] <Annemarie>	That's a Splarka question.
[21:38:39] <Annemarie>	Though if you search the logs from this channel for "revisionid", you can probably find the answer.
[21:39:50] <Church_of_emacs>	thanks. Found the bug report: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6181
[21:40:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Multilingual user page rewrite rules or redirections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20798 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: Redirects; (hubert.bossot)
[21:41:31] <CIA-12>	03ialex * r56898 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/commandLine.inc: Re-implementing Maintenance::maybeHelp() in CommandLineInc to not show Maintenance's help when passing --help (previous method was not working correctly)
[21:41:34] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56897 10/trunk/extensions/ (64 files in 59 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-09-24 20:48 UTC)
[21:42:23] <ThomasV>	brion ? there is another bug. 
[21:42:28] <ThomasV>	http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Livre:Voltaire_-_%C5%92uvres_compl%C3%A8tes_Garnier_tome1.djvu
[21:42:53] <ThomasV>	I think I have a fix for it, but it would help me to get an error message
[21:44:48] <brion>	Sep 24 21:44:30 10.0.2.159 apache2[22492]: PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 83886080 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 22740 bytes) in /usr/local/apache/common-local/wmf-deployment/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php on line 690
[21:44:55] <brion>	ThomasV: http://spence.wikimedia.org/logtail/ <- :D
[21:45:40] <ThomasV>	ok, it's what I think it is
[21:46:11] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm: Sep 24 21:44:46 10.0.2.96 apache2[9179]: PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 83886080 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 18792448 bytes) in Unknown on line 0
[21:46:50] <brion>	heh yeah sometimes just Weird Shit happens
[21:47:05] <AaronSchulz>	Weird Shit (tm) ?
[21:48:16] <CIA-12>	03thomasv * r56899 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: do not allow 'pages' command on index pages
[21:48:21] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56900 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net
[21:48:39] <RoanKattouw>	brion: The LU-crashes-site-on-disable bug was another instance of Weird Shit: it was theoretically impossible
[21:49:17] <ThomasV>	brion: it should be fixed with the last commit; I think it was some kind of infinite loop
[21:49:52] <brion>	theory schmeery :)
[21:50:57] <ThomasV>	not just theory: I can edit the page, and if I remove the 'pages' tag it is fine
[21:51:37] <brion>	that was directed at RoanKattouw :)
[21:51:54] <brion>	ThomasV: sec, i'll check & merge it
[21:52:07] <Annemarie>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shm-reduplication
[21:54:01] <Annemarie>	Church_of_emacs: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11964
[21:54:13] <Happy-melon>	brion: is that log live?  or is it just a random dump?
[21:54:31] <brion>	Happy-melon: live
[21:54:35] <brion>	ThomasV: looks good.....
[21:54:38] *Happy-melon 	happy
[21:54:48] <ThomasV>	ok
[21:55:05] <brion>	Annemarie: i love wikipedia sometimes :D
[21:56:27] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56901 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/ProofreadPage/ (. ProofreadPage.php): Merge r56899 - fix for recursion loop in ProofreadPage
[21:57:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Combine CSS/JS and load from a script - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17899  +comment (10chinchi29)
[22:00:12] <Church_of_emacs>	Annemarie, yeah, I found that bug already :)
[22:00:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) div#mw-js-message should not use inline style "display: block;" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18436   +easy (10chinchi29)
[22:00:45] <brion>	ok where'd that page go
[22:03:00] <brion>	spiffy, page purges now :D
[22:03:04] <brion>	thx fo rthe fix ThomasV !
[22:03:14] <ThomasV>	sure
[22:03:59] <ThomasV>	http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:IndexPages looks good
[22:04:11] <brion>	nice!
[22:04:37] <brion>	the vertical line spacing looks a bit odd to me on some of the names (in firefox 3.5/mac)
[22:04:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wikibits.js produce javascript error in IE7 on Special:Sitematrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19645  (10chinchi29)
[22:04:42] <brion>	otherwise looks good
[22:05:00] <ThomasV>	yes for me too
[22:06:45] <brion>	it's that line-height: 70% :)
[22:16:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve the XHTML strictness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13381  +comment (10chinchi29)
[22:16:44] <AaronSchulz>	brion: when is the next scap planned? Lots of pockets synced here and there atm.
[22:17:25] <brion>	AaronSchulz: i wanna do a bigger update next week -- in theory i think we're planning to roll out the latest usability goodies sep 30
[22:17:38] <brion>	but if we've got high-priority updates we can roll those updates in quicker
[22:17:44] *Splarka 	sneeks back
[22:17:58] <Splarka>	Church_of_emacs: yah, can't do that, there is a trick you can do though
[22:18:20] <mutante>	created a couple users on my own wiki, with the regular "create account" form , then when i look into "user_email" in "user" in mysql i see they have "@example.com" adresses instead of the names i entered. does that have to do with "user_email_authenticated" or something, that it does not become the real adress right away?
[22:18:44] <Splarka>	[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|diff=next&oldid=~}} this text was added in this revision], where oldid is the copy-pasted revid from 'permanent link'
[22:18:52] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: from strategy wiki there's a request for structured reader feedback (instead of screen scraping).
[22:19:17] <siebrand>	AaronSchulz: would you be able to quickie up a readerfeedback api module for Special:RatingHistory?
[22:19:49] <RoanKattouw>	brion: "In theory" being the key part of that sentence :P it's in like a week
[22:20:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enabling LocalisationUpdate vastly increases CPU activity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20774  (10brion)
[22:21:09] <CIA-12>	03happy-melon * r56902 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/common/wikibits.js): (bug 18436) remove redundant (and disruptive to CSS) hardcoded "display:inline" style from messages injected with jsMsg().
[22:21:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) div#mw-js-message should not use inline style "display: block;" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18436  +comment (10happy-melon)
[22:27:21] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) create <prose> tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6810  +comment (10chinchi29)
[22:34:35] <CIA-12>	03siebrand * r56903 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (219 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net
[22:42:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multilingual user page rewrite rules or redirections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20798  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:44:29] <Nemo_bis>	I have a problem with Unicode image titles: e.g. on ttp://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Wikimedia_news/numero_25/en
[22:44:30] <Nemo_bis>	Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/var/www/wiki/wmi/images/Festival_libert_digitali_bandiere.jpg': No such file or directory.
[22:44:30] <Nemo_bis>	convert: missing an image filename `/var/www/wiki/wmi/images/thumb/Festival_libert_digitali_bandiere.jpg/180px-Festival_libert_digitali_bandiere.jpg'.
[22:45:44] <Nemo_bis>	http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/File:Festival_libert%C3%A0_digitali_bandiere.jpg is there and functioning: http://www.wikimedia.it/images/Festival_libert%C3%A0_digitali_bandiere.jpg
[22:46:37] <Nemo_bis>	The problem started when we updated the wiki moving it to a new server. All images with non-ASCII titles seem affected. 
[22:50:17] <AndersL>	Hey all. Problem with non-ascii characters in article titles, on upgrading from mw 1.11 to 1.15.1: Characters like æøåé etc are replaced with nonsense. Do anyone know how to fix this without going through and moving all the articles?
[22:56:08] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56904 10/trunk/extensions/Makebot/migrateBotlog.php: 
[22:56:08] <CIA-12>	* Added some sanity checks just in case
[22:56:08] <CIA-12>	* Check slave lag
[22:59:30] <CIA-12>	03aaron * r56905 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/Makebot/migrateBotlog.php: merged r56904
[23:00:29] <Nemo_bis>	AndersL: I have a similar problem, I've just reported it here.
[23:01:11] <AndersL>	Nemo_bis: Thanks for answering. Any respons to your report?
[23:02:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run migrateBotlog.php to show logs made by makebot properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20767  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:02:57] <Guest83326>	man, I looked at the template:navbox but I couldn't get it. I'm trying to replicate those expand collapse buttons in my own mediawiki installation 
[23:03:36] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56906 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/Maintenance.php: Set memory limit in finalSetup() to override what might have been set elsewhere
[23:04:01] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56907 10/branches/wmf-deployment/maintenance/Maintenance.php: r56906 from trunk... whee!
[23:04:35] <Guest83326>	I can use the tree and menu extension, but that folder icon looks out of place in a wiki page
[23:06:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow filtering history and contributions lists for revision deletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20186  high->normal (10jamesofur)
[23:09:03] <Nemo_bis>	Guest83326: did you add the relevant classes from MediaWiki:Common.css and similar?
[23:09:06] <Splarka>	Guest83326: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NAV
[23:09:19] <Splarka>	css + js + templates, no extensions needed
[23:15:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Run migrateBotlog.php to show logs made by makebot properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20767  (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:16:46] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Multilingual user page rewrite rules or redirections - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20798  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[23:19:00] <Guest83326>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[23:19:25] <Guest83326>	Dynamic Navigation Bars (experimental
[23:21:17] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56908 10/trunk/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/LocalisationUpdate.class.php: Don't output with myLog() in readFile ... this gets used if we recache while running other things and can pollute script output
[23:23:24] <CIA-12>	03brion * r56909 10/branches/wmf-deployment/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/ (. LocalisationUpdate.class.php): merge r56908 -- suppress debug output we don't need and may pollute maint script output
[23:38:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Run migrateBotlog.php to show logs made by makebot properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20767  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:38:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Extension Makebot is obsolete; should be removed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14156  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:50:24] <CIA-12>	03yaron * r56910 10/tags/extensions/SemanticForms/REL_1_8_4/: Tag for version 1.8.4
[23:52:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Private filters should be viewed by all users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20799 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (tsepelcory)
[23:53:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Private filters should be viewed by all users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20799  (10tsepelcory)
[23:59:43] <Emufarmers>	Interesting request.